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---Logopened Sun Jun 01 00:00:12 2008
---Daychanged Sun Jun 01 2008
00:00<gsimmons>twb: It was, see bug #474604.
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00:01<twb>gsimmons: thanks
00:02<twb>(The wnpp page takes an awful long time to render.)
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00:13<decoy>donde consigo ayuda para ubuntu? U_U
00:14<twb>!tell decoy -about es
00:14<twb>!tell decoy -about ubuntu
00:14<decoy>ok XD
00:15<decoy>Gracias n_n
00:16<twb>De nada.
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00:16<twb>How unusually polite.
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00:27<Cribozai>Can't seem to make a dist-upgrade work for amd64 while i386 works perfectly, how come?
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00:39<twb>Cribozai: of what release?
00:39<twb>Cribozai: do you get an error? If so, what?
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01:03<twb>Ugh, I need to become a DD
01:03<jello>heh, why would you want to do that?!?
01:03<twb>jello: too hard to find sponsors
01:03<jello>anything interesting?
01:04<jello>btw, you should ask in -mentors...
01:04<twb>I'm not so much asking as grumbling out loud
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01:04<twb>The hard part is the horrible meatspace stuff, finding photo ID and going to someone's place and all that.
01:04<twb>Oh, you mean look for sponsors in -mentors. Yeah, I know that.
01:04<jello>where do you live?? it's usually not a problem
01:05<twb>jello: it's a problem because I don't like people
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01:05<twb>re anything interesting,
01:06<twb>Though midori and dpans aren't listed there.
01:06<jello>darcs qualifies
01:06<jello>are there still performance issues?
01:06<twb>I've never had performance issues with darcs.
01:07<twb>Oh actually, I did one time, because I was doing something dumb.
01:08<twb>My view is that mostly it's FUD -- it's like saying that C++ is too slow compared to writing assembly. Yes, it runs slower, but it saves you time because it's easier to use.
01:08<jello>fair enough
01:10<yzhh>hello, everyone. Here I have a problem with usplash - it turns tty1 (accessed by Ctrl-Alt-F1) into a screen of randomly placed green squares. I am using the latest lenny which has kernel 2.6.24-1-686, usplash 0.5.19-1, and xorg 1:7.3+10.
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01:11<Supaplex>yzhh: anything in bts?
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01:14<yzhh>yes, I found one bug report on this submitted in March(as I remember), and I added much information for it a week ago. But I didn't see response yet. So I'm here to see if this has a workaround for the moment.
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01:15<Supaplex>does an older version fix it?
01:15<dpkg>[regression] a reproduceable bug or a lost feature in /newer/ software. Check [bts] and for profile issues (if it applies). You can help developers by isolating the regression with this simple process: Choose a version inbetween the old and new. Move back for failures, and forward on successes. Repeat and narrow it down as far as you can. Report your findings to BTS.
01:17<fword_>hi. quick question. when i set up debian i was using a different vidcard. where's the config to add 1280x1024 or higher?
01:17<Supaplex>dpkg: regression =~ s/inbetween/half way in between/
01:17<dpkg>Supaplex: OK
01:17<jello>fword_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:17<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
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01:18<yzhh>Well, how do I install older versions of usplash?
01:18<fword_>jello: thx
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01:19<twb>Supaplex: I would argue the whole binary search / bisect part of that entry should just read "<bisect> over versions between last-known-good and first-known-bad" and then write a generi bisect howto entry.
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01:19<yzhh>thx, I'll try.
01:21<Supaplex>bisect is newish to me :) I get the process suggested in the kernel docs BUG-HUNTING though
01:21<jello>inspired by the git-bisect command
01:21<Supaplex>how about this? dpkg: regression also see also <bisect>
01:21<Supaplex>er, is also..
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01:28<Supaplex>dpkg: regression is also consider <bisect>
01:28<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
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01:34<twb>You can't just bisect
01:34<twb>You need to define what variable to bisect over.
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02:21<yzhh>hi, a few minutes ago I talked about a problem with usplash, and was told to try downgrading to some previous versions and see if it's regression. Here's my findings:
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02:24<yzhh>Downgrading does not help, (the only) older version of usplash is from etch, which do not show up on boot, only seen on shutdown. And I accidentally found the latest version works ok when I do not set vga=xxx on kernel commandline.
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02:25<twb>yzhh: you can find intermediary versions on
02:26<twb>But as I read on, I see you fixed it.
02:27<twb>The vga bootparam activates the framebuffer, probably using the vesafb kernel module. You might look through usplash's /usr/share/doc tree and its BTS page to see if there are any mentions of conflicts with vesafb/framebuffer, and how to resolve them.
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02:29<yzhh>Shall I put a new bug report about "usplash not working well when vga=xxx is set on kernel commandline" or add information to the older bug report?
02:30<twb>Please do.
02:30<twb>We can't fix bugs we don't know about!
02:30<twb>!smart questions
02:30<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts.
02:30<twb>That document explains how to submit good bug reports.
02:33<yzhh>I've read about "bug reports how to" several times, and I did quite a few of them, carefully. I use debians's own reportbug tool. :)
02:33<yzhh>thanks anyway.
02:33<twb>No problem.
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03:51<Cribozai>Is the gnome package going to be broken in lenny for a while? it looks like i shouldn't upgrade right now, or?
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03:52<twb>You mean the metapackage "gnome"?
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04:00<Cribozai>yes, the metapackage
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04:01<Cribozai>and it somehow disturbed the process of dist-upgrade so that the gnome desktop enviroment stipped working
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04:16<twb>chapajai: apt can succesfully just install gnome on lenny atm
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04:17<chapajai>but when I ask for this?
04:18<twb>I would try doing a safe-upgrade, then a full-upgrade, in aptitude, and see how it tries to resolve the conflicts.
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04:54<big-m>hello room
04:54<enouf>chapajai: it was a bad tab completion on twb 's part; s/he meant to send that info to Cribozai
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04:54<big-m>can anyone give me a little help with debian?
04:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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04:57<big-m>I just installed debian 4.0 for the first time and i am a noob. it asks me for my username and password, I remember setting a password during setup, but it never asked me for a username! is there a default username?
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04:58<big-m>all lowers right
04:59<big-m>we will try that thanks
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05:13<jzp>xchat stinks
05:14<cahoot>it does?
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05:15<jzp>u using it?
05:16<achilles>hi gents/gals
05:16<achilles>why it stinks
05:16<achilles>recommend your pick
05:17<cahoot>sorry bad joke
05:17<achilles>i had one 10 years ago
05:17<fxiny>hahaha kahled will send you a voucher :P
05:18<achilles>lost my password, then i left 4good
05:18<achilles>i even paid for it
05:18<fxiny>seen ? ;)
05:18<achilles>for the app
05:19<cahoot>achilles: sorry for a bad attempt to joke
05:19<achilles>but back then, as i remember the interface was great
05:20<cahoot>let's drop the sublect
05:20<achilles>don't worry ,i did not get it anyway
05:20<achilles>english is not my lingo
05:20<cahoot>ancient greek?
05:21<achilles>born in Berlin
05:21<achilles>anyway i just started my journey on debian
05:21<Ganneff>now, do you have anything debian related? if not - please go to a chat channel. thanks.
05:22<achilles>oh i came here 4 any info about debian
05:22<achilles>but is quite
05:22<achilles>i was hoping to read and learn
05:23<achilles>i am not flooder
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05:25<ali3n0>achilles: what do you wanna read/start from?
05:25<achilles>any info is like gold
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05:27<achilles>i hate ubuntu channel lots of talk and no content
05:27<dpkg>from memory, debian is See
05:27<ali3n0>achilles: there's plenty of info around, and chat is not a good place for "randomic" questions. start from here:
05:28<achilles>i got it all documentation, 1 gig..but sometimes you find some interesting
05:30<achilles>if you want i will leave, i do not want to create waves,
05:31<meisteris>lol no worries, it is just support channel :) if u say whats bothering you, then ppl here try to help
05:31<meisteris>if you just want something interesting, then u just stay and watch ;)
05:32<achilles>ok tell me how do i upgrade krusader 1.80 to 1.90 .i am getting msgs that there is dependency conflict and i combed the source and found none
05:33<achilles>besides it uses only 2 libriaries
05:35<meisteris>you can try to remove conflicting package(s), and try again
05:35<achilles>there is none
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05:35<meisteris>you siand there is ;/
05:36<meisteris>better paste console output you get to one of the pastebins
05:36<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
05:36<achilles>simply debian don't support kde base 4 anymore either 358 or the test one
05:36<achilles>which they called5
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05:37<fxiny>kde 4 beta 1 is on experimenta
05:37<meisteris>ah :) i am xfce user don't know a thing about kde :)
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05:38<achilles>me too i have Xubuntu
05:38<Nazcafan>hello, I have two boxes on which texlive-lang-french is installed but in one of them apt-get autoremove would try to remove it whereas in the other one, it would not. How comes ?
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05:43<jzp>have debian, why use ubuntu?
05:48<twb>jzp: to annoy your parents and be a rebel!
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05:48<fxiny>because what they are doing is "you are an insicure person , we are user friendly , don't worry" . what debian can give is : self confidence , reward , trust . the choice is open .
05:49<hatter>what is a way i can delete every line in a file that begins with "#" ?
05:49<Gathond>hatter: sed
05:49<cahoot>hatter: google for sedfaq
05:49<Gathond>well or any editor capable of doing more then the most rudimentary search and replace
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05:50<jzp>ganni twb
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05:53<hatter>Gathond, cahoot , thx
05:53<fxiny>hatterr: emacs M-x uncomment-region
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05:54<fxiny>hatter: wrond . you said delete
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05:54<hatter>yes, delete please
05:55<cahoot>sed '/^\#/d' myFile > anotherFile
05:55<twb>sed -i /^[[:space:]]*#/d
05:55<hatter>thanks :)
05:56<fxiny>perl inplace ?
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05:59<hatter>cahoot, your sed command leaves empty lines in the prcessed file
06:02<twb>sed -ri '/^[[:space:]]*(#|$)/d' deletes blank lines, too
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06:04<hatter>twb, when i do this 'sed -ri '/^[[:space:]]*(#|$d)/d' squid.conf.test >squid.conf.test1' it creates an empty file
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06:04<twb>hatter: that's because -i modifies files in place
06:04<hatter>twb, oh thx
06:05<hatter>twb, however it left the empty lines
06:05<twb>You type it wrong.
06:05<twb>Pay more attention.
06:06<hatter>damn, thx
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06:08<hatter>twb, perfect, thx :)
06:08<twb>I use that almost daily with egrep to filter comments out of config files when trying to read them
06:09<hatter>twb, thats what i was thinking, especially a big config file like squid
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06:09<hatter>i am not familiar with egrep, i wll man it now
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06:11<Dj_Ha>Hi all
06:11<Dj_Ha>I'm novice in Linux, how can I share my dial-up internet connection (i use kppp) to another PC (with Windows XP) in another room ?
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06:12<Dj_Ha>I have network card
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06:13<twb>Bridge the ppp0 and eth0 connections, I guess
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06:13<Dj_Ha>Is there some program to bridge that connections ??
06:14<Dj_Ha>and how do I setup eth0 ?
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06:14<Nemoder>Dj_Ha: I found this helpful although it's not all that newbie friendly:
06:14<manu>i do not have sound on youtube with Konqueror, what can i do?
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06:15<Dj_Ha>manu, maybe another app using sound is running, check
06:15<enouf>Dj_Ha: /msg dpkg ipmasq
06:15<Dj_Ha>Nemoder, thanks
06:16<Dj_Ha>enouf, thanks a lot
06:16<enouf>manu: maybe kcontrol > sound devices (K Control Center) .. (or networking, or nspluginwrapper for flash crap?)
06:17<enouf>i always hear of people using Firepoop + Flashcrap, not konq
06:17<Nemoder>manu: what version of the flash plugin is it?
06:17<dpkg>i heard nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <> for etch packages.
06:18<enouf>i know konq has a little area that accepts ns plugins / config or whatever - never used that shit though - i use mplayer
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06:21<manu>Nemoder: flash player 9
06:21<Nemoder>manu: v9 uses alsa, do you have other apps that can play sound with alsa?
06:22<Nemoder>and it is set to alsa output in the settings?
06:23<Nemoder>do you have any apps open that are recording audio?
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06:24<manu>not now...
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06:25<Nemoder>not sure what the problem is then.. I guess you could send an email to adobe :)
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06:26<manu>thanks...but how can i meke to heare sound from 2 apps in the same time?
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06:26<Nemoder>if your sound card can't do it then you would need to run a sound server and tell all your applications to use that instead
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06:27<Nemoder>I don't think flash has that option however
06:27<maslak>perhaps a lame question, but: what do I lose while switching from etch to lenny//sid
06:27<manu>not for flash...but for sound in linux and xmms for example
06:28<Nemoder>manu: what desktop environment do you run?
06:29<maslak>i've found somewhere that it's hard to install compiz fusion on etch, but it's sth normal on lenny/sid, and since I'm quite addicted to compiz effects I consider switching
06:29<Nemoder>manu: kde uses arts sound server, see if that is running
06:29<manu><Nemoder> kde
06:29<maslak>i just want to know what I risk
06:29<manu>i don't know where to look :(
06:30<Nemoder>manu: check your process list: ps -A
06:31<Nemoder>maslak: the only thing I can think of that might be a problem is the lack of non-free nvidia driver package for lenny
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06:32<maslak>is it available for sid?
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06:32<Nemoder>not sure, I think so
06:32<manu><Nemoder> i think it's not running
06:33<maslak>i'll google it up..
06:33<Nemoder>manu: check aptitude/synaptic and see if artsd is installed
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06:42<maslak>ok, sth different... I'm running etch amd64, and have 2.6.18-6-amd64
06:43<maslak>the latest is 2.6.24...
06:43<maslak>but apt-get update doesn't update it...
06:43<Nemoder>you can have more than one kernel installed
06:43<maslak>or maybe there is some other way?
06:44<maslak>I know
06:44<Nemoder>just select to install the new one
06:44<maslak>via synaptic?
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06:44<maslak>I thought it would update automatically
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06:44<maslak>as e.g. in fedora
06:45<maslak>from which I switched to debian 2days ago..
06:45<Nemoder>wait, did you already do a dist-upgrade to lenny?
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06:46<maslak>not yet
06:46<Nemoder>manu: please talk in main chat, if you need to paste then use pastebin
06:47<maslak>i'm trying to find whther those drivers are avaliable for sid or lenny
06:47<Nemoder>maslak: oh I don't think 2.6.24 is in etch
06:47<manu>debian:/home/manu# artsd
06:47<manu>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
06:47<manu>Error while initializing the sound driver:
06:47<manu>device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
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06:47<maslak>I cant find it either...
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06:49<maslak>strange... cause 2.6.23 brougt e.g. a new scheduler...
06:49<Nemoder>etch is meant to be stable, not the latest and greatest
06:49<manu>Neomoder: i have install gstreamer0.8-artsd
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06:50<Nemoder>manu: check your system settings in kde, I think there is some option to restart the sound server
06:50<maslak>mhm.. so if I want latest kernels etc, I need to switch to lenny/sid?
06:51<Dj_Ha>KDE Control center-Internet&Network->Networks settings-network interfaces list is empty. does that mean, that I have not network card installed ?
06:51<manu>Nemoder: if i reboot the system?
06:51<maslak>but to also have compiz, I think nvidia 3d drivers are needed, yes?
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06:52<Nemoder>maslak: yes, and it is possible to use those on lenny it just takes a few more steps
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06:52<maslak>is it described on the some reliable forum? :)
06:53<dpkg>[nvidia_post_etch] update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:54<maslak>ok, and it also works for lenny?
06:55<Nemoder>I'm not entirely sure..
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06:57<Nemoder>I use nvidia's installer on lenny with a custom kernel but it's not a very good way to do it because any system updates require reinstalling the driver
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07:00<maslak>you meant kernel updates, yes?
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07:01<maslak>if so, it's the same as on fedora so its ok with me
07:01<maslak>Ive found this page:
07:01<Nemoder>not just kernel but anytime xorg updates or the gl libs
07:01<maslak>and it looks quite good
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07:04<Nemoder>maybe, i'm not really sure how module assistant works, all I know is there is no nvidia-glx package with lenny
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07:05<Dj_Ha>how to enable eth0 ? I need to recompile kernel??
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07:08<maslak>if I found sth like this: does it mean there are nvidia-glx drivers avalieable for SID?
07:09<Nemoder>Dj_Ha: check the output of lspci and see if your network card is listed
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07:10<Nemoder>maslak: yes, looks that way
07:10<Dj_Ha>there is no my network card in that list
07:11<Nemoder>Dj_Ha: can you paste the output to pastebin?
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07:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:12<maslak>ok, just one more thing: during the installation-configuration I misclicked and didn't check the higher screen resolutions as avalieable(the 1024x768 was checked by default), can I change those settings?
07:13<Nemoder>maslak: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
07:13<Dj_Ha>this is it -
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07:13<Nemoder>Dj_Ha: yes it looks like linux was not able to detect any network card
07:13<Dj_Ha>what can I do?
07:14<Nemoder>Dj_Ha: try a different card maybe?
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07:19<maslak>how do I start debian only in text mode? I have to enter interactive startup or sth like that?
07:20<Nemoder>maslak: you can simply uninstall gdm/kdm/xdm
07:20<maslak>i only want to do it once...
07:21<MES>maslak add "single" to the kernel parameters in grub (at boot up)
07:22<MES>maslak i think "1" is also working (starts runlevel 1)
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07:22<MES>maslak i think you have to press "e" at bootup in grub to edit the parameters
07:22<dirchi>hello, I've installed debian yesterday on my laptop firsttime (I used ubuntu), and I have a noob question about howto get wifi to work, can someone help me? The problem is that i see my network controller when i run 'lspci' but I havent see any wireless devicess when I run 'iwconfig'.
07:23<cogwheel>maslak, when *dm comes up just hit ctrl+alt+f1
07:23<gsimmons>dirchi: What wireless device do you have?
07:23<dirchi>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
07:24<gsimmons>!tell dirchi -about ipw3945
07:24<Bushmills>entertain me
07:24<maslak>cogwheel: from what I know, it wont prevent x from starting, and will have the same effect if i would do that e.g. nright now
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07:25<cogwheel>maslak, in that case, once you've logged in then just do: sudo pkill kdm/gdm/xdm
07:25<dirchi>ok, I'll try, thanks
07:25<cogwheel>maslak, and x is dead
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07:29<grummund_>hi, anyone can tell me which package would prvide libmp3lame? i *have* searched but can't find it in etch... sanity check: does it exist?
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07:31<Nemoder>grummund_: not sure about etch but it's in liblame0 in lenny
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07:32<grummund_>Nemoder: ok thanks. seems not in etch then
07:33<gsimmons>grummund_: 'libmp3lame0' appears to be packaged within the Debian Unofficial repository.
07:34<grummund_>gsimmons: i didn't know about that...
07:34*grummund_ googles Debian Unofficial repository.
07:35<MES>grummund_ or the repo ""
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07:36<MES>grummund_ add "deb lenny main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:37<MES>grummund_ or "deb etch main" in your case
07:37<grummund_>MES: tank
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07:44<gsimmons>dirchi: No private messages, please. You would want to use the iwlwifi driver instead, as 'ipw3945d' has been removed from testing and unstable.
07:44<gsimmons>!tell dirchi -about iwlwifi
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07:45<dirchi>ok, thanks
07:48<grummund_>W: GPG error: etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 394D199524C52AC3
07:48<grummund_>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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07:49<grummund_>ah... scratch that. i see the faq
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07:53<enouf>grummund_: /msg dpkg dmme (i realize it's late now , but ;-))
07:53<dirchi>ok, my wifi works now, thanks gsimmons.
07:54<gsimmons>dirchi: np
07:54<enouf>gsimmons: is that due to new in kernel support? iwlwifi basically replaces what was needed for ipw3945 prior?
07:54<grummund_>hmmm, this isn't working. i downloaded the key and apt-key says "OK", but still i get the above error with apt-get update
07:54<enouf>grummund_: did you do the apt-key add - as sudo, as shown?
07:55<gsimmons>enouf: Pretty much. No regulatory daemon is needed.
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07:55<enouf>gsimmons: ok, thanks
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07:55<grummund_>enouf: yes i did that.
07:56*grummund_ also downloaded the key with wget and separately ran apt-key add
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07:56<enouf>grummund_: erm, does; ~$ gpg --list-keys show it?
07:57<grummund_>erm, no. just a bunch of errors ;(
07:58<grummund_>ok 2nd time running gpg --list-keys there is no output
07:58<enouf>and you did add it as a user, yes? if not, it's in your /root/.gnupg
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07:58<grummund_>i ran it as root
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07:59<razaccour>i'm thinkin about switching from Ubuntu to Debian is that a good move?
07:59<fxiny>grummund_: gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 394D199524C52AC3
07:59<fxiny>or get mariullat/multimedia liblame0
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08:02<grummund_>finally i did it with suggestion from fxiny followed by gpg --armor --export 394D199524C52AC3 | apt-key add -
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08:03<grummund_>the faq lists the wrong key then?
08:04<fxiny>dunno . marillat liblame is 3.97-0.0sarge
08:04<fxiny>3.97 iirc is the latest
08:05<enouf>pub 1024D/1F41B907 1999-10-03 heh, mine's a bit old O_o
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08:06<enouf>i built my own lame and installed it into /usr/local/
08:06<grummund_>btw, all this is so i can install transcode (from source) to get tcprobe
08:06<fxiny>mee to : /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.a :)
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08:07<enouf>grummund_: aha!
08:07<enouf>grummund_: wrong repo :-P
08:07<enouf> is where you should've gone
08:08<enouf>(i knew something was weird when i visited that url you posted)
08:08<grummund_>enouf: would that give me transcode without building from source?
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08:09*grummund_ has libmp3lame installed now from debian-unnoficial
08:10<fxiny>bloody hell : i have two libmp3lame ! some app pulled it from multimedia
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08:11<fxiny>stereo lame :P
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08:12<enouf>~$ whereis libmp3lame
08:12<enouf>libmp3lame: /usr/local/lib/ /usr/local/lib/ /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.a
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08:14<enouf>transcode from source? hrm, not sure what that means
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08:14<fxiny>same here . lame in /usr/local/bin/lame but liblame0 is from multimedia > /usr/lib/
08:14<enouf>as opposed to pulling from optical media? or ..
08:14<fxiny>this ie a sarge2etch box
08:14<enouf>mine's old too fxiny
08:15<fxiny>enouf: same , we could not wait for Marillat ;)
08:15<grummund_>i needed the program tcprobe. this is part of the package transcode, but i couldn't find it in debian. transcode needs several libraries including libmp3lame, hence the point i arrived at... libmp3lame is now installed thanks to debian-unofficial. phew ;)
08:16<enouf>$ whereis
08:16<enouf> /usr/lib/ /usr/local/lib/
08:16<fxiny>enouf: i have some more in /usr/local/bin > bogofilter ;)
08:16<fxiny>i don't want to rebuild bogo db , i keep old version
08:17<enouf>yeah :-p
08:17<enouf>why fix what's not br0kened :-p
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08:17<fxiny>enouf: rule number 1 :)
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08:19<fxiny>what is this debian-unofficial ? is multimedia not recommended ?
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08:19<enouf>fxiny: dmm is, but i've seen the -unofficial as well
08:19<enouf>just haven't needed anything from it - go shopping ;-)
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08:21<enouf>fxiny: i have a note about it having; 3ware Tools, DivX codecs/decode, etc
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08:21<fxiny>enouf: oh , i need to buy something real : the power supply fan drives me crazy
08:22<enouf>fxiny: haha
08:23<enouf>fxiny: available from -unofficial :-)
08:23<fxiny>enouf: adding it NOW :)
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08:23<enouf>fxiny: yeah PSUs are a PITA when they're loud or weak
08:24<fxiny>enouf: gtk2 ? hahah i have gtk2.10 installed in /opt
08:25<enouf>fxiny: fortunately i have a new 3x 600w , 1 being used (this system) 1 for a build coming up very soon - + 1 more (spare) :-)
08:25<fxiny>enouf: not loud : it starts only manually f* pushing it and after 30 minutes from reboot
08:25<fxiny>if i forget BAHM my old box gone :(
08:26<enouf>fxiny: change it out
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08:26<enouf>fxiny: tear the case sides off - leave it open / naked / cool ;-)
08:26<fxiny>enouf: is a big big case
08:27<fxiny>but summer's coming
08:27<fxiny>there must be some thermal f* switch inside of it borked
08:28<enouf>i see - new PSU == ftw \o/
08:28<fxiny>enouf: i don't like changing new hardware : that is ONLY 10 years old ;)
08:29<Gekz>PSU = boring
08:29<Gekz>new hardware decryption chip
08:29<Gekz>not boring
08:29<enouf>fxiny: psst .. i paid $18 USD total after Mail In Rebates for all 3 O_o
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08:30<fxiny>enouf: :)
08:30<enouf>fxiny: i put one into my 10 yr old p2 ;-)
08:30<enouf>fxiny: had to CRAM it in .. lmao
08:31<fxiny>enouf: heheheh
08:31<enouf>fxiny: it;s not even screwed in (mounted) .. it's wedged up/crammed into upper case lip .. otherwise i'd need to cut a larger hole and drill new mounting holes ;-)
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08:32<fxiny>enouf: heheheh . you should see my high tech cleaning device
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08:32<fxiny>enouf: i've hacked a bicycle pump : fantastic !
08:33<fxiny>enouf: a pump + a plastic pipe and at the end a biro-pen cap :)
08:34<enouf>high-pressure :-) why not?
08:34<fxiny>air coing out at the right speed/pressure
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08:34<fxiny>enouf: yes ! you got it :)
08:34<borg->im trying to get eabi debian running on a small single board computer based on an xscale pxa270
08:34<borg->i can allready boot a minimal initramfs with busybox
08:34<borg->the debootstrap.log looks like this:
08:34<borg->i waited for hours, it definetely is hanging there
08:34<borg->but when i chroot to the debootstraped debian and try do /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage
08:34<borg->it hangs
08:34<borg->ideas? :)
08:35<fxiny>enouf: this biro-pen caps have a hole in it ;)
08:35<enouf>fxiny: slick :-)
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08:39<enouf>borg-: might have better luck mailing .. seems some depenedency issues
08:39<borg->ok, thx
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08:42<fxiny>enouf: do you trghink is possible this f* fan has a switch inside ? when i start the box , if i press it starts fine but only if is hot
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08:43<enouf>fxiny: sure .. i'd open it up, might just need some lube ;-)
08:44<fxiny>enouf: lube ? the old trick : lube on the back of old fan ?
08:44<fxiny>i did it with a noisy cpu fran
08:45<fxiny>i hate dust
08:45<enouf>yeah, but what you describe sounds more like a switch/tripper/toggle fault
08:46<enouf>fxiny: show it's innards your new bicycle pump, with biro-pen cap ;-)
08:46<fxiny>enouf: heheheh
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08:51<Fade_To_Black>I'm compiling a kernel 2.6.18. Do I need the cryptographic API on my old laptop without wifi ?
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08:52<fxiny>why compiling it ?
08:53<Fade_To_Black>why compiling : only 64 MB RAM and I want kernel footprint to be as small as possible
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08:53<Fade_To_Black>yes I know I can load them as modules, but then every bit off is better in this case. It also helps for me in knowing what is what in kernel
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09:08<dirchi>I have another noob question about my fresh debian lenny installation. I have Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 on my laptop, everything seem to be fine, but when I run some gl application graphics is terribly slow.. Is there some howto to install driver properly? I googled for some time, but I had no luck..
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09:23<witte>dirchi: do you use the intel driver?
09:23<witte>dirchi: and is your card supported by the lenny xorg driver?
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09:24<dirchi>I have installed xserver-xorg-video-intel
09:24<witte>dirchi: and do you use it :)
09:24<witte>dirchi: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:24<dirchi>Thats it I dont know how to use it
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09:25<witte>dirchi: if you cant figure that out from that file, upload it to a pastebin
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09:26<witte>dirchi: "/msg dpkg pastebin" if you don't know what a pastebin is
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09:28<dirchi>there is no dir or file /msg
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09:30<dirchi>there is a line in /var/log/Xorg.0.log - loaded kernel module for "i915" driver.
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09:31<witte>dirchi: that should be the correct one i think (i believe i915 driver is part of the intel drivers)
09:31<witte>dirchi: it is part of the kernel it seems :-)
09:32<dirchi>isnt there some info about which driver to use I have to add in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
09:33<Laeborg>is it possible to do so 2x160gb harddrives only looks like one 320gb? (Raid) without loosing all data on one of the discs?
09:33<witte>dirchi: normally it is just intel, and that should do whatever is needed automatically
09:33<witte>Laeborg: you look for lvm
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09:33<dpkg>[lvm] at, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or and
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09:34<witte>dirchi: check with "zless /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/README.gz" if your card is supported (or man intel)
09:35<dirchi>ok, thanks for info, I used ubuntu before, there was no problem, gl graphics runned fast with it, so I think, there is somethink that is not configured properly
09:35<dirchi>ok, thanks
09:35<witte>dirchi: you don't happen to have your ubuntu xorg.conf file?
09:35<dirchi>I am lucky tu have..
09:36<Laeborg>okay will take a look on that, witte :)
09:36<witte>dirchi: you could try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" first
09:37<witte>dirchi: ah, you have, you could just first make a backup of your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and next put your ubuntu xorg file there
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09:37<dirchi>ok, Ill try
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09:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial, or
09:40<witte>!tell Laeborg about msg the bot
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09:47<ubuntero>Algun canal en espanol?
09:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:49<ubuntero>thank you
09:49<ubuntero>see ya
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09:52<davi>!based on debian
09:52<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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09:55<blob84>hi, i can't get 1440x900 resolution
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09:56<blob84>1440x900 how?
09:56<blob84>radeon 9600
09:57<xid>xrandr |grep current
09:57<xid>get what ?
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09:58<dirchi>witte: I didnt figured out how to copy it to a pastebin
09:58<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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09:58<witte>and you can even upload files directly
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09:59<witte>at least at
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10:01<dirchi>witte: ok, here is it
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10:04<Bushmills>dirchi: apt-get install pastebinit
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10:05<witte>Bushmills: nice, did not know that one, used a script for doing that
10:06<witte>dirchi: i checked it, and there are several warnings, but i don't know how bad they are
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10:06<Bushmills>sorry, pastebinit is not in stable
10:06<dirchi>I see two error lines there:
10:06<dirchi>(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/ failed (/usr/lib/dri/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
10:06<dirchi>(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
10:07<witte>Bushmills: yeah, but i run unstable, and it is there (and dirchi is running lenny)
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10:08<witte>Draack: oops, i overlooked that one, apt-file search /usr/lib/dri/
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10:08<Bushmills>witte: i'd script it, by piping the url to xclip, i suppose
10:08<witte>dirchi: that was for you
10:08<Bushmills>(provided you use it under X)
10:08<witte>Draack: sorry
10:08<witte>!pastebin pipe
10:08<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
10:08<witte>that is one i use
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10:09<witte>dpkg, no pastebin pipe is Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also aptitude install pastebinit if you are on lenny or sid.
10:09<dpkg>okay, witte
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10:10<witte>dpkg, no pastebin pipe is Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny or sid.
10:10<dpkg>witte: okay
10:10<gsimmons>witte: Uh, 'pastebinit' isn't in testing yet.
10:10<witte>gsimmons: it isn't? damn, i'll change it again
10:10<Bushmills>yeah sorry about that, i noticed too late
10:11<witte>dpkg, no pastebin pipe is Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on sid.
10:11<dpkg>witte: okay
10:11<witte>dirchi: install libgl1-mesa-dri
10:11<witte>dirchi: sorry for the delay
10:12<dirchi>witte: apt-file search /usr/lib/dri/
10:12<dirchi>libgl1-mesa-dri: /usr/lib/dri/
10:12<dirchi>libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/
10:13<witte>dirchi: yeah, i did it myself, the result is the file that you did not find is in the libgl1-mesa-dri package
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10:19<dirchi>witte: tahk you, now gl works fine and I am able to run Secret maryo chronicles!
10:19<witte>dirchi: :-)
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10:21<bighornram>what package do i need to install to make mp3 ripping possible?
10:22<witte>bighornram: lame?
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10:23<alfon>hi all, I can't see accent with less. I export LESSCHARSET=latin1 or utf8 and does't work, any idea about it¿
10:24<lars_>bighornram: if you apt-cache search k3b I think you then get a ripping tool and codecs listed
10:25<fxiny>ripping cd ?
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10:25<fxiny>abcde should pull what needed
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10:28<Zathraz>hi. I am suffering (on stockkernel 2.6.18 Debian Etch) from ALSA underruns due to IRQ issue. nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
10:29<Zathraz>noapci does not work when put in menu.lst (grub)
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10:29<Zathraz>any suggestions please?
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10:31<Zathraz>worked fine in Sarge/Etch with kernel 2.6.8
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10:32<sheldonh>Zathraz: using alsa from the kernel, or an alsa-modules-* package?
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10:36<Zathraz>sheldonh, alsa from the kernel I
10:37<Zathraz>with OSS supprot
10:39<sheldonh>Zathraz: find /lib/modules -name snd.ko | xargs strings | grep -i ^Advanced
10:39<sheldonh>(sorry, i'm running sid or i'd do it myself)
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10:39<Zathraz>sheldonh, 6 lines of output with 5 being:
10:40<Zathraz>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 UTC).
10:40<Zathraz>and 1 being:
10:40<Zathraz>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.12rc1 (Thu Jun 22 13:55:50 2006 UTC).
10:40<Zathraz>sounds like an issue
10:40<sheldonh>1.0.12rc1, that's the one
10:40<sheldonh>i suggest using module-assistant to install updated alsa drivers
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10:41<Zathraz>hmm. cannot do so now :-(
10:41<Zathraz>wifi does not work for some reason
10:41<Zathraz>it used to work but stopped doing so
10:41<Zathraz>maybe the channel is now too crowded
10:41<sheldonh>well, when next you get internet connectivity, i'd recommend upgrading alsa to 1.0.13
10:42<Zathraz>physical distance is 2 meters but I hardly receive any signal
10:42<sheldonh>yeah, as our business park has filled up, our wireless has gone to shit
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10:43<Zathraz>I came here for help. I was running Etch on an custom 2.6.8 kernel from the Sarge days
10:43<Zathraz>people wanted me to upgade first
10:43<Zathraz>now not only wifi is still not working but I have other shit too
10:44<Zathraz>but working opn it (again) :-(
10:45<sheldonh>it's always frustrating when you drop off the supported version mainline :(
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11:02<Laeborg>how do I delete files and folders in /home/myuser/.local/share/Trash ?
11:02<Zathraz>man rm
11:03<Laeborg>rm -rf ?
11:03<Laeborg>can I just delete the two folders called 'files' and 'info' ?
11:05<blarson>Laeborg: If you have the permissions, you can. Whether you should or not is another question.
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11:06<Bushmills>Laeborg: if stuff has been put into Trash, i suppose a trash applet is there. those tend to have an "empty trashbin" function
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11:08<Bushmills>and i wouldn't have problems removing trash manually - i a trash applet managed to create that dir in the first place it will be able to do so again.
11:08<Bushmills>if ...
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11:08<Fade_To_Black>does anyone know a GUI midi player for debian lenny?
11:09<Fade_To_Black>timidity doesn't seem to do work
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11:34<rjzz>hello, evryone!
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11:37<NinjaMan>hi rjzz
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11:39<rjzz>did you know musix? I've recently found that -->
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11:40<NinjaMan>rjzz, I have never heard of or seen musix before
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11:41<NinjaMan>rjzz: the site says it is an operating system and thus presumably is not debian and not covered by this channel
11:41<rjzz>in fact, this is a distro based in knoppix...
11:43<rjzz>NinjaMan, sure. But I just wanted to tell you ;)
11:43<NinjaMan>rjzz: ah ok, thanks for the info - so what are it's USPs?
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11:47<rjzz>USPs?? --> The United States Postal Service? jaj, I didn't get it...
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11:51<maslak>hi, i wanted to upgrade from etch to sid, I've changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to sth like this:
11:51<maslak>deb sid main
11:51<maslak>deb-src sid main non-free contrib
11:51<maslak>deb sid/updates main contrib
11:51<maslak>deb-src sid/updates main contrib
11:51<maslak>is it ok?
11:51<maslak>or is there anything wrong?
11:52<maslak>cause I had some errors...
11:52<rjzz>mslak: why don't u try first to upgrade to lenny, first?
11:52<maslak>and after downloading like 1GB data it crashed..
11:52<maslak>should I?
11:52<erKURITA>rjzz that'd be most wise
11:53<maslak>I was told here that there are no non-free nvidia drivers for lenny, and I want my compiz to work fine, so I think I need them
11:53<maslak>from what I've found they are avaliebale for sid
11:54<rjzz>i dont know really, but I found more secure updating to testing first...
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11:55<enouf>maslak: the sid driver could be backported into lenny
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11:55<rjzz>maslak: i just goin to say the same as enouf
11:56<enouf>but you already upgraded .. so continue till it works ;-)
11:56<rjzz>maslak, could you be more specific, what kind of error do you have?
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11:56<rjzz>when you changed sources...
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11:57<maslak>I only changed these few lines, changing words "etch" to "sid"
11:57<enouf>maslak: and you might as well add contrib non-free to deb line'
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11:58<enouf>maslak: then? you ran what commands? exactly?
11:58<maslak>i ran apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade
11:58<rjzz>have you done --> # apt-get upgrade ?
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11:59<maslak>how do I paste multiple lines here without being kicked?
11:59<maslak>I can show you current apt-get update/upgrade output
11:59<rjzz>use pastebin webpage and paste here the link
12:01<maslak>here it is
12:01<rjzz>i often use this page while programming at groups from different countries, it's very useful ;)
12:02<maslak>yep, its a good one, we have also our national equivalent in Poland, though I'm not sure whether we have syntax highlightning
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12:03<maslak>any ideas what my problem is? :)
12:04<rjzz>fist of all: you have some trouble with dependencies
12:04<rjzz>have you read from line 7: The following packages have unmet dependencies...
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12:05<maslak>ok, why dosent apt-get update reapair it?
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12:05<rjzz>you have a lot of software that won't work because of that... try to install them
12:06<sheldonh>surely this should be enough for apache to force to things in /cgi-bin to be executed as scripts instead of served as source code?
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12:07<sheldonh>(migrating a nasssty hosting provider from gentoo to debian, and apache's... a little different)
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12:09<rjzz>maslak, are you here jet?
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12:10<rjzz>apt-get install libdjvulibre21 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnomeui-0 libgnomevfs2-0 libgtk2.0-0 libkpathsea4 libnautilus-extension1 libpango1.0-0 libpoppler-glib3 libspectre1
12:11<rjzz>if not, try apt-get -f install
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12:13<maslak>this is what I get...
12:14<rjzz>try --> # apt-get -f install
12:14<maslak>i did
12:15<maslak>in this pastebin, there is an output from install with -f
12:15<rjzz>but with packages...
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12:17<maslak>sth started to work, flushes a lot of output, but seems running
12:18<rjzz>it will try to fix the broken packages
12:18<maslak>mainly sequece of removing sth sth followed by unpacking replacement sth different
12:20<rjzz>maslak, i supposed you have upgraded first of all, don't you
12:22<maslak>think I did, it was like 5-6 hrs ago, I'm almost sure i did sth like: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
12:23<rjzz>ok, typa an uname -a
12:23<maslak>it's the second time I'm prompted to restart some services, I accept, and always postgresql-7.4 makes some probnlems, fails to restart
12:23<maslak>right now? apt-get is still running
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12:24<rjzz>open another console, can you?
12:24<woden1>How would this be evaluated? True OR False AND False OR True
12:24<maslak>mateusz@debian:~$ uname -a
12:24<maslak>Linux debian 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 24 09:34:54 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
12:24<rjzz>theres no interference between the service atp and a read of the kernel service
12:25<erKURITA>woden1 from left to right
12:25<woden1>erKURITA: Isn't AND evaluated before OR ?
12:25<maslak>i think it's always true
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12:25<erKURITA>it'll always be true
12:25<rjzz>erKURITA, I'm with you
12:25<maslak>doesnt even matter which operator has the higher priority
12:26<woden1>But if you were to evaluate it step-by-step...
12:26<woden1>True OR False AND False OR True
12:26<woden1>True OR False OR True
12:26<woden1>True OR True
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12:26<rjzz>woden1, take of that...
12:26<maslak>depends on priorities of operators
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12:27<rjzz>well, let's go on with the trouble
12:27<erKURITA>maslak it wouldn't
12:27<erKURITA>if you evaluate AND first, it'd be left as: True OR False OR True
12:27<erKURITA>ending up in True
12:28<woden1>Okay, how is this evaluated? True OR False OR True
12:28<alderson>hello, how i can see and write accents with bithx, thanks in advance
12:28<woden1>I thought OR could only have one value on the left and one on the right.
12:28<maslak>the output is always TRUE, but the evaluating method differs
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12:29<rjzz>uffs... i think this have no sense
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12:29<alderson>sorry Bitchx, the irc client..
12:29<woden1>maslak: How would you get from "True OR False OR True" to "True"?
12:30<woden1>Is there an intermediary step?
12:30<erKURITA>True OR False = True
12:30<erKURITA>False OR True = True
12:30<maslak>it depends wheter it sticks to right or to left ;p
12:30<erKURITA>True OR True = True
12:30<erKURITA>maslak nope
12:30<woden1>So how would a computer program evaluate multiple ORs...from left to right?
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12:31<erKURITA>woden1 that's where parentheses kick in
12:31<erKURITA>otherwise, it'll evaluate one by one, from left to right
12:31<erKURITA>It'll evaluate the first two, and the result against the third, and so on..
12:31<maslak>unless you have some apriori knowledge on priorities
12:32<maslak>and sticking
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12:32<woden1>erKURITA: Say you have (110-10)/(2), is the resulting number 50 or (50) ?
12:33<erKURITA>parenthesis are evaluated first
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12:37<Vinillo>Excist there a linux compile tool that u can run on windows ?
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12:38<maslak>what do you mean "linux compile tool"
12:39<maslak>what kind of code do you want to compile?
12:39<alderson>Vinillo: exact!, a C compiler?
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12:39<maslak>there is a small application called dev-cpp
12:39<Vinillo>i need to compile the emulator ascent
12:39<maslak>it can compile C/C++ code
12:40<maslak>but I don't think it can compile code that uses sam sytem functions
12:40<maslak>*sam = some
12:41<enouf>True OR False OR True <- are you saying it's evaluated as "(True OR False)" == True , which then makes the equation "True (OR True)" == "True"?
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12:42<maslak>it might be
12:42<maslak>depends on semantics of "OR"
12:42<enouf>i'm trying to ascertain how one gets to this result --> 12:27:33] <erKURITA> False OR True = True
12:42<maslak>the most common semantics would probably evaluate it as that
12:42<Vinillo>these files i need to come svn://
12:43<erKURITA>enouf it's simple
12:43<erKURITA>OR is true when either of the evaluated members is true
12:43<Vinillo>but how i compile it under windows and run it on debian ?
12:43<enouf>the only way i can see is if False there, is replaced by True from prior (True OR False) eval
12:43<erKURITA>for OR to be false, both members would have to be false
12:43<maslak>you're right
12:44<maslak>i mean enouf's right
12:45<alderson>Vinillo: but, you will have problems linking with libraries. Why not compile it directly on debian?
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12:47<erKURITA>maslak try it then :)
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12:47<enouf>hrm .. suggestion ... let's use 1t 2f 3t instead ;-) "1t OR 2f OR 1t", so 1t OR 2f == 1t, which makes 2f become 1t for next OR iteration (1t OR 1t)
12:48<erKURITA>I'm lost
12:48<maslak>true OR false OR true -> doing it from left to right
12:48<enouf>or better written maybe ((True OR ((False)) OR True))
12:48<erKURITA>maslak it's still true
12:49<maslak>it's always true
12:49<maslak>but you never get false OR true
12:49<maslak>during evasluation
12:49<erKURITA>that's correct
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12:50<maslak>that is what enouf was trying to point out
12:50<alderson>Vinillo: Hi, here you are the required software:
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12:50<erKURITA>I was merely explaining that, regardless of which part you evaluate first, you'd just get True
12:51<maslak>yes, but enouf's remark was point to your sentenc, where you porobably have made a mistake
12:51<maslak><enouf> i'm trying to ascertain how one gets to this result --> 12:27:33] <erKURITA> False OR True = Tru
12:52<enouf>erKURITA: so what would False OR True OR False eval as? False, yes?
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12:52<erKURITA>enouf, nope, true
12:53<amphi>erKURITA: true ;)
12:53<alderson>somebody use bitchx?
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12:53<erKURITA>enouf you seem to be forgetting how OR does really work :P
12:53<enouf>because the 1st OR is evaluated, which would be False .. there, which changes the equation on the right 2/3 of euation to False OR False .. which == False
12:53<enouf>ok, then i do not understand - i tried, heh
12:54<maslak>i thought everything was settled... there was just a mistake in what erKURITA wrote a few screens ago...
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12:57<erKURITA>maslak merely syntaxis, perhaps
12:57<erKURITA>enouf the concept behind the OR operator is: OR is true if either the evaluated members is true
12:57<enouf>erKURITA: well, that explains that then :-)
12:58<enouf>it cheated :-p
12:58<enouf>erKURITA: how about this, can i think of '||' as an OR ?
12:58<enouf>ok, and && as an AND ?
12:59<enouf>ok .. i'll let that sink in now - thanks ;-)
12:59<erKURITA>you're welcome
12:59<enouf>amphi: you lil' hider you .. i see ya there :-P
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13:01<enouf>erKURITA: ahh .. i see, so when in bash you see; if COMMAND1 || COMMAND2 ; then <--is considered True, because one of those commands will always run .. yes?
13:01*enouf feels he's reaching .. but stretches anyway
13:02<maslak>provided that at least one of them actually runs
13:02<maslak>i mean one of the commands
13:02<enouf>maslak: one of them will, not both though
13:02<fxiny>or is true if just one is true
13:02<maslak>they can break
13:02<maslak>or fail to finnish
13:02<fxiny>you can eval 100^32 times , one is enouf :)
13:03<erKURITA>fxiny read up
13:03<maslak>if the first one runs ok, then the second wont even start and you'll go to the "then" section
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13:03<maslak>cause you have lazy evaluation of operators in bash
13:03<enouf>maslak: with a COMMAND1 && COMMAND2 though, the 1st needs to complete successfully, then COMMAND2 would start .. which, to me, means 'AND'
13:04<enouf>fxiny: ;-)
13:04<fxiny>erKURITA: i do my || && perl without problems
13:04<maslak>and if the COMMAD2 succedes then you go to the "then" part
13:04<fxiny>enouf: ;)
13:04<enouf>(i mean AFAIK)
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13:11<maslak>if gedit && amarok ; then gnome-terminal; fi <try this one out
13:11<maslak>i must go now
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13:12<enouf>wtf with the <? and ?> ?
13:12<fxiny>if (xmms2) ; then amarok sucks ; mrxvt rulez ; exit with glory
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13:14<fxiny>enouf: with >= too perl : if (($values1[2] > $values1[5]) && ($values1[3] > $values2[3]) && ($values2[3] > $values3[3])) { print "yeahhh\n"; }
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13:15<fxiny>anything goes , perl rulez :)
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13:16<k1lumin4t1>what's the name of the tool you use from a liveCD to check the integrity of a HDD?
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13:19<lord_rob>Hi ! How can I know which package a specific file belongs to ?
13:20<fxiny>dpkg -S file
13:20<dpkg>Package: file: Status: install ok installed
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13:20<lord_rob>thanks fxiny
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13:20<fxiny>lord_rob: np. i always forget dpkg is listening ;)
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13:22<Supaplex>dpkg: quiet
13:22*dpkg ok, ok, I will be quiet. When you start making sense, that is.
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13:22<odla>is there a way to get a .deb from the new queue on ftp-master? ... specifically this ->
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13:23*odla cries
13:23<fxiny>Supaplex: no bugs today ?
13:23<odla>well i guess i'll have to build it myself
13:23<odla>weasel: thanks
13:23*Supaplex sneezes and then shakes fxiny's hand
13:23<Supaplex>nope. :p
13:23*odla coughs at Supaplex
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13:24*Supaplex -t nat -s odla -d Supaplex -j DNAT --to-destination fxiny
13:25*fxiny sells Supaplex cadeaux on ebay as Supaglue
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13:26<odla>fxiny: cidr?
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13:27<enouf>fxiny: haha, nice one
13:27<fxiny>odla: :=)
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13:28<enouf>odla: if i'm not mistaken, those should be very soon uploaded to sid (or experimental?) , so a little patience eh? ;-)
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13:29<odla>enouf: i know :) ... but it's very easy to make from git too
13:29<fxiny>enouf: a feesh one , just arrived : >> Shorewall:blacklst:DROP:IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC= :)))
13:29<enouf>odla: so, no crying then ;-)
13:29*odla tries to hold it in
13:29<fxiny>hahahah no sharing with tibetan ppl oppressors
13:29<enouf>fxiny: attaboy ;-0
13:31<fxiny>enouf: if they don't like it i can ban a millions of 'em :
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13:32<fxiny>enouf: but i always do a whois first :)
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13:33<odla>for future reference what makes a package stay in the new queue longer than another? is there something i can read about this to understand it?
13:33<Bushmills>fxiny: for a /7 mask, you;d want an even number in the first octet :P
13:34<enouf>fxiny: better block those nasty burmese/myanmarians, and Zimbabwaens too
13:34<Bushmills>and chinese, korea,...
13:35<odla>and the tawianese! it's not even a real country!
13:35<odla>oops ... it's really not ... taiwanese
13:35<Bushmills>here's a list of nets where a lot of link spammers come from (and some account flooders):
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13:36<Bushmills>also access frequency further down
13:36<fxiny>Bushmills: what's wrong with ?
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13:36<Bushmills>fxiny: would make sense
13:37<Bushmills>but i think you meant, maybe, ?
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13:37<fxiny>Bushmills: YES ! i got you
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13:40<klimy>hi. how can i tell if i have everything required for xinerama? i looked into many tutorials but somehow i am stuck. i could install a cloned serverlayout, but somehow my xserver crashes on xinerama.
13:41<fxiny>enouf: that's right , i should bun myhamma&friends (as i call 'em), the world is pretty s*
13:42<fxiny>i just don't want to share with them
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13:44<klimy>i posted my xorg.conf to
13:44<fxiny>i am not talking about sharing say debian as Bruce Perens pointed out when talking about anti-abortist , i'm talking about p2p traffic
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13:48<adriano>hi to all
13:48<adriano>how I can install usplash boot image without initramfs of kernel?
13:49<adriano>excuse me for my english
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14:09<malademental>Hi, i just reinstalled lenny with netinstall (hum, exactly, i installed etch but i upgraded directly to lenny) with my ethernet connection, the module of my wifi card (iwl3945) loads perfectly, but when i run iwconfig it detects only "lo" and "eth1" (eth1 is my ethernet connection)
14:09<malademental>and it should detect wlan0
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14:09<cahoot>correct firmware in place?
14:09<cahoot>dmesg should tell
14:11<malademental>yeah correct firmware, i go see dmesg
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14:12<malademental>oh yeah cahoot thanks, the ucode is missing
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14:18<jumpa>Good Evening! I've tried to install a mailserver on my debian etch. I used the HowTo at (it's german), in this HowTo Postfix, policyd-weight and dovecot are used. Now, when I create a account in my mailclient (Thunderbird), i cant recive emails. Sending works without any problems, aliases also works, so i thing that any filter is blocking the emails, or my firewall
14:18<jumpa>but I dont know hot to check this
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14:20<sheldonh>sorry, only know exim
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14:20<sheldonh>however, if it's just about receiving...
14:20<cahoot>postfix keeps logs
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14:21<sheldonh>jumpa: have a look in your mailbox on disk on the server and make sure it's got messages in it. if so, check out /var/log/mail.log for hints from dovecot
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14:21<sheldonh>cahoot: cutting edge ;)
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14:36<xid>odla, ?
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14:38<Supaplex>greetings and all
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15:04<krisje8>Hi all, I spent this whole day to install debian on my 'new' laptop (300mhz 64mb ram), and finally succeeded
15:05<krisje8>I got x working, got fluxbox, even got wifi working
15:05<krisje8>but I got one big problem:
15:05<john_>On my laptop I have an AC'97 Audio Controller, I have sound, because I get beeps when I hit backspace too many times in an xterm, but I don't get any sound in vlc or alsaplayer. I've tried running alsamixer and pushing the levels up, but still no sound - any ideas what I can do/should check?
15:05<krisje8>I have black borders around my screen, because xorg is setting the resolution to 800x600, while my screen is 1024x768
15:06<krisje8>I cannot seem to change the resolution to 1024x768
15:06<krisje8>xorg.conf editing doesn't do anything, because I have the newest version of xorg and it just ignores all settings
15:06<john_>krisje8: are you using a specific video driver? or is it chooseing one for you?
15:06<xid>odla >>>
15:06<krisje8>I can't choose anything
15:06<krisje8>no resolution, no frequency, no driver, nothing
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15:07<odla>xid: that's for ubuntu
15:07<xid>it install fin on sid
15:07<PetaWindows>krisje8: what driver are you using? nv, vesa, ...??
15:07<john_>In the past (before xorg) I used to try and use the framebuffer consoles I think - and I didn't have to adjust anything.
15:08<odla>xid: i'd rather build from source then use a package that may not be binary compatible.
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15:08<odla>xid: but thanks
15:08<enouf>!tell krisje8 -about drxx
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15:08<krisje8>PetaWindows: like I said, I can't choose my driver. I have no idea
15:08<krisje8>enouf: won't work
15:08<PetaWindows>krisje8: the driver you are using will appear in xorg.conf
15:08<john_>krisje8: you'll be able to see what it is loading from the logs I think
15:08<krisje8>no it doesn't
15:08<krisje8>@ PetaWindows
15:08<PetaWindows>krisje8: something like --- driver "nv"
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15:08<enouf>krisje8: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:09<krisje8>allright I'll try that
15:09<john_>krisje8: do you have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:09<krisje8>yes I do
15:09<krisje8>it loads trident
15:10<enouf>krisje8: as a last resort; run X -configure, now, what you really might need is the set your Vert/Horiz refresh rates
15:10<john_>well done :)
15:10<krisje8>enouf: tried it already, doesn't ask me anything
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15:11<enouf>krisje8: ok, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and lspci | grep VGA
15:11<PetaWindows>krisje8: but there should be a line in xorg.conf like this -> driver "nv"
15:11<krisje8>enouf: just upgrade to the newest xorg and you'll get the same configuration as I have :p
15:11<krisje8>PetaWindows: I'll check, but I doubt it
15:12<enouf>john_: for you, /msg dpkg alsa checklist
15:12<PetaWindows>krisje8: I think it's not possible to have a X system working without that line
15:12<krisje8>it uses kbd
15:12<enouf>john_: liekly , just on Mute in alsamixer
15:12<krisje8>I'll upload my xorg.conf
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15:13<enouf>krisje8: i know all about the Video Autoconfiguration
15:13<PetaWindows>krisje8: do you know what graphics card have your laptop?
15:13<krisje8>I'll check
15:14<krisje8>Graphics Processor / Vendor: PCI, Trident Cyber 9525 PCI
15:14<krisje8>Video Memory: EDO RAM - 2.5 MB, SGRAM - 2.5 MB
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15:15<john_>enouf: is that MM or 00 ?
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15:16<enouf>john_: MM == mute
15:16<enouf>00 means 0 Volume
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15:16<PetaWindows>krisje8: I don't know this graphics card. You could check if it has drivers for linux
15:16<welkin>can any one tel me if there is any package which will pause the download and continue it later in synaptic package manager
15:16<enouf>PetaWindows: there's an Xorg one for Trident
15:17<welkin>im using ubuntu 8.04
15:17<PetaWindows>enouf: oh ok
15:17<krisje8>Now, I did edti the xorg.conf according to a forum post (I'll give the link in a minute), but this didn't have any effect
15:17<enouf>PetaWindows: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video | grep -i trident
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15:18<PetaWindows>krisje8: every time you change xorg.conf you must restart x server
15:18<john_>enouf: thank you - I was doubly locked out - it was both MM and the levels were right down to 0 - now they're all up in the green and I can hear Billy Bragg :)
15:18<enouf>john_: np ;-)
15:18<krisje8>PetaWindows: I restarted it over 20 times in the past hour
15:18<john_>laters all
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15:18<enouf>PetaWindows: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video* | grep -i trident
15:18<enouf>PetaWindows: the * is important there
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15:20<krisje8>According to the xorg log, when it chooses a resolution, it doesn't choose 1024x768 because he thinks the card has too little memory, but I know that it is not true if I run at 16 or 15 bit colours.
15:20<Ikarus>krisje8: not always true
15:21<Ikarus>krisje8: some cards can't do 16 bpp for real
15:21<Ikarus>so they just 0 pad it to 24bpp
15:21<krisje8>Ikarus: I've read it form users who have the same laptop
15:21<PetaWindows>krisje8: you can choose the resolutions with the command "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
15:21<PetaWindows>did you try that?
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15:22<krisje8>PetaWindows: No I can't, new Xorg doesn't ask me anything about that
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15:23<krisje8>did you read the link to the forum post I posted here?
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15:23<krisje8>ok, I'm sorry if I sound a bit stubborn or anything, it's just that I've been busy wiht this for the last 3 hours
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15:23<krisje8>and it gets even worse: I got to go :/
15:24<krisje8>I'll stay idle here, and I would really appreacite it if you know anything that might help me
15:24<enouf>krisje8: <-- lines 16 , 17 and 28 are new - edit yours to be like that
15:25<krisje8>enouf: I'll try it
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15:26<enouf>krisje8: but i've never seen modelines like that O_o so we may need to fix those too ..
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15:29<enouf>Ikarus: don't you mean "can't do 24bit and pad it to 32" .. 16bit is 16bit ;-) 24/32 is just the extra 8 alpha coloring things?
15:29<Ikarus>enouf: nope, I have a Trident card that always runs in 24 bit mode
15:29<Ikarus>and pads 16 to 24
15:29<Ikarus>well, 15 to 24
15:30<enouf>hrm, i'll have to try on my 1MB Trident here then ;-)
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15:32<enouf>mine's a PCI 9721/9680-1 or so i wrote on the babyAT case
15:32<krisje8>enouf: fatal server error, no screens found
15:33<enouf>krisje8: hrm, ok, remove line 28
15:34<enouf>krisje8: can you paste me output of grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:34<krisje8>remove the line first?
15:34<krisje8>(and try it again)
15:34<enouf>krisje8: the one that says; Device "Configured Video Device" under Screen Section
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15:34<krisje8>removed it
15:34<krisje8>same error
15:35<krisje8>I can't paste you the output of grep ... because I have no browser anymore :p
15:35<enouf>krisje8: i know, it's ok
15:36<krisje8>No I really got to go... I'll stay idle
15:36<enouf>krisje8: remove the Driver "trident" and VideoRAM "2560" line
15:36<amphi>enouf: you have a trident card? how ancestral
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15:36<enouf>amphi: i am a warrior - i like relics :-P
15:36<krisje8>removed it, x works now again (but 800x600 like before)
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15:36<amphi>enouf: ;)
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15:37<krisje8>oh btw that grep thing returns only 2 lines, and nothing useful I think
15:37<krisje8>first line describes what EE means
15:37<enouf>krisje8: right - that's all i wanted for now - can you now grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
15:38<krisje8>2nd line is an II wanring about MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
15:38<krisje8>the old one has 2 more errors
15:38<enouf>krisje8: you're grepping a working log though now, you need to grep the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old and /var/log/Xorg.1.log files
15:38<krisje8>problem parsing the config file and error parsing the config file
15:39<krisje8>and I don;t have a Xorg.1.log
15:39<krisje8>A really g2g now
15:39<enouf>ok, maybe next time
15:39<krisje8>bye, I'll stay idle, so you can tell anything that comes up
15:39<enouf>(i'm out of ideas at this point anyway)
15:39<enouf>well, we'll see
15:40<krisje8>wth, ctrl+a d doesn't work
15:40<Laeborg>hmm when i am downloading via FTP, BitTorrent or anything else, after sometime on full speed my ethernet is crashing (Many things i lost connection to but not this IRC :S) and my USB ketboard/mouse starts lagging (atm i use a PS/2 mouse/eyboard)
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15:41<Laeborg>or I don't think my ethernet is crashing, I think its just starts lagging a lot, and I then got a timeout error
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15:41<enouf>krisje8: FWIW, here's my xorg.conf, (use as a template, guide only)
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15:42<enouf>krisje8: but, now that you've shown me yours fails, i doubt my layout/template would be relevant, nor work
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15:47<gass>hello there
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15:47<gass>debian lenny is slow on opening a gnome window to save a file
15:48<enouf>yep, my Trident is supported, man trident says; TGUI 9440AGi, 9660, 9680 and mine's a TGUI 9680 ;-) .. however, i don't see krisje8 's model there, but still, that doesn't mean it's not supported
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15:49<ali3n0>hi folks. silly question: I run "ps aux" and, for a few processes, I can read only numeric uid and not the one mapped in /etc/passwd as for each other...
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15:51<ali3n0>it's weird because I can see textual uid with other tools, for ex. top
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15:53<Laeborg>anyone who can help me? :S
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15:54<Laeborg>when its starts lagging, I need to reboot for fix the issues
15:54<enouf>Laeborg: yikes
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15:54<enouf>Laeborg: at worst, just /etc/init.d/networking restart
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15:55<enouf>but ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 might do it - not sure what your problem with bittorrents is, maybe Comcast or your ISP knows and is throttling you (blocking ports etc)
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15:56<Laeborg>what is yikes?
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16:00<enouf>Laeborg: is your /tmp filling up?
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16:01<enouf>Laeborg: or, you might be running out of RAM and swapping tremendously - is that VMware or something?
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16:04<enouf>well, i was going to suggest you also try freenode, but you appear to be a troll :-P
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16:04<enouf>!win me
16:04<dpkg>Congratulations, enouf! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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16:05<enouf>gass: is your /home an old backed up one? from another OS install maybe? is /home over NFS mount?
16:06<gass>enouf, no ...
16:06<gass>enouf, old ... what do you mean by that?
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16:06<enouf>gass: i don't use gnome - and i would guess it wants to open your /home as default save location
16:07<gass>enouf, yes ... the problem is that it lags
16:07<gass>a *LOT*
16:07<enouf>gass: old, just meaning saved /home from a previous install
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16:08<gass>enouf, no ... just a lot of upgrades
16:08<enouf>gass: maybe it's populating all the Thumbnails/Previews and such, set it up differently
16:08<gass>enouf, well ... i use it with the out of the box definitons
16:08<enouf>gass: how much system RAM do you have?
16:09<enouf>heh, well, free says?
16:09<enouf>gass: use a apastebin
16:11<Bushmills>gass, are there a lot of files in the dir?
16:11<gass>Bushmills, no
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16:12<enouf>gass: how's everything else? are you using a 3D driver? Compiz?
16:12<gass>Bushmills, ls -l | wc -l
16:12<Bushmills>a stale nfs mount in that dir, maybe?
16:12<gass>no, laptop
16:12<enouf>free looks fine
16:13<gass>enouf, yes ... and i looked for memory leaks (monitoring the used memory) and nothing
16:13<enouf>gass: so File > Save causes it? in which app(s)?
16:13<Bushmills>gass: you may want to test disk speed, with hdparm -t maybe
16:13<gass>enouf, in all ...
16:13<gass>i think i know what it is
16:14<enouf>External Drive?
16:14<enouf>(forgot to ask
16:14<Bushmills>(my guess: dma is off)
16:15<enouf>gass: and? the winner is?
16:15<gass>hdparm -> Timing buffered disk reads: 116 MB in 3.02 seconds = 38.41 MB/sec
16:16<gass>no i think i know what it is
16:16<gass>gnome has a thing called places
16:16<Bushmills>that's ok.
16:16<gass>that have bookmarks
16:16<Bushmills>not am issue of dma off
16:16<enouf>Places? like Patton Place?
16:16<gass>i have bookmarks for sftp, ftp and smb places
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16:16<gass>if he tries to read those just for me to select other place ...
16:17<enouf>wow - it just keeps getting crappier and bloatier
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16:18<enouf>gass: report a bug
16:18<maslak>hi, I've just upgraded to sid (from etch) and iam running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg right now,
16:18<gass>enouf, does not seems to be that
16:18<gass>enouf, it is a really cool feature
16:18<enouf>gass: that nice
16:18<maslak>I got a question whetehr to use framebuffer
16:18<enouf>i choose not to suffer ;-)
16:18<gass>enouf, does not seem to be from that
16:19<maslak>what is that and what should I choose?
16:19<enouf>maslak: no to framebuffer
16:19<enouf>maslak: it's a kernel implemetation of softare rendering
16:20<enouf>maslak: to have a nice res in console, use a line like vga=791 appended to you kernel line in grub
16:20<enouf>maslak: 791 there equates to 1024x768x16
16:22<enouf>maslak: such like; kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23-i386 root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791
16:22<maslak>gosh... which keyboard do I have?
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16:22<enouf>a ypical ps/2 .. why?
16:22<enouf>a typical ps/2 .. why?
16:22<maslak>im from Poland, so probably one of those popular in Europe
16:22<maslak>is it pc102
16:23<enouf>mine's a 104
16:23<maslak>probably pc10X, but dont know which one...
16:23<enouf>oh .. you asked, which one do YOU have .. apologies
16:24<maslak>how do i check it?
16:24<enouf>why are you asking me? .. count the keys ;-)
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16:25<maslak>seems like 104 :)
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16:27<maslak>hmmm.. '105' wa written in the place where I have to typy this keyboard model... is it there always by default or is it a suggestion?
16:27<maslak>and does this setting really matter?
16:27<enouf>it might
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16:28<enouf>i thought 105 were all Sun models
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16:32<maslak>i typed 104
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16:33<maslak>by default this 'windows' key is 'super'
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16:34<maslak>i dont need to type: altwin:meta_win for it to be 'super', true?
16:34<Nigromante>they have removed some core gnome packages in Lenny
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16:39<maslak>all right, sth different now: during the installation I misclicked and now have only few screen resolutions to choose from (the highest being 1024x768) how do I change this?
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16:41<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
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16:43<maslak>i did it, but it only asks me questions about my keyboard... ;/
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16:43<maslak>and about using framebuffer, which i already know i shouldnt use...
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17:17<dr>Hi all!
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17:18<maslak>how should a line in /etc/sudoers look if I want e.g. 'user' to be able to use sudo
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17:20<noflash>maslak, man sudoers
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17:31<maslak>hmmm.. .i'm trying to install polish national communicator - kadu using apt-get, but apt-get not only finds pacakages to install but also is quite eager to remove xmms and all xmms-plugins... should i remove them for any reason, or if not, how do I select in apt-get that I only want to install stuff?(im on sid),
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17:32<maslak>any idea why?
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17:34<dr>how to interrupt the command ping?
17:34<noflash>dr, Ctrl-c
17:34<maslak>and shoul i regret not having xmms if im using amarok?
17:35<noflash>isn't amarok the replacement for xmms?
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17:35<maslak>ive launched xmms, it looks like good old windows winamp... :)
17:35<maslak>if it's only for listening to music, then i dont need him
17:36<noflash><- server person so you'd be better off with someone else's advice :)
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17:37<maslak>is it possible to tell apt-get to only install packages even if at the same time it will want to remove some stuff?
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17:39<PetaWindows>you cannot compare amarok with xmms..... are completely different
17:39<PetaWindows>while amarok uses a lot of resources, xmms is very light
17:40<maslak>hmm.. ok, but if I listen to music using amarok, is there any other thing that xmms does in this system>
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17:42<maslak>PetaWindows: ?
17:42<PetaWindows>it depends on your needs...
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17:42<PetaWindows>maslak: if you want to hear only one audio file, then opening amarok may be annoying
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17:43<maslak>for a single audio file i can use mplayer from command line...
17:43<maslak>i think..
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17:43<PetaWindows>maslak: if you don't need it, remove it :=)
17:44<maslak>i think i dont and i cant find how not to remove it while installing kadu (polish communicator)
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17:44<dr>when I start aptitude update I get Err main contrib Packages 404 Not Found. Why?
17:45<PetaWindows>maslak: I don't know why apt is trying to remove xmms when you install kadu :\
17:45<maslak>me neither...
17:46<maslak>especially when on its main page there is a module to synchronize song titles from xmms with user status
17:46<maslak>in kadu
17:46<PetaWindows>dr: It seems that the source "" isn't available
17:47<dr>maybe I write something wrong in source.list?
17:48<PetaWindows>dr: sometimes some sources of apt don't work...... because the server is broken for example
17:49<dr>and What I could do if I need install xorg?
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17:49<PetaWindows>dr: you can edit the sources.list addind the symbol # at the beginning of the line you want apt to ignore
17:50<PetaWindows>and then apt-get update
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17:56<maslak>if i'm using SID debian, does in /etc/apt/source.lits make sense
17:57<maslak>cause I get prompts that it is unavailable every time i run apt-get update
17:58<noflash>maslak, no security for sid, but as a sid user, you should know that ;)
17:58<maslak>i've been using sid for like 2hrs, and Debian as a system for the 2nd day... :)
17:59<maslak>i'm still learning
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17:59<noflash>maslak, probably not a good idea to mess with sid until you have some debian experience...that shit can break your box
18:00<PetaWindows>noflash: anyway, installing this security packages may be useful..... no??
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18:00<noflash>PetaWindows, I don't believe there are security updates for sid
18:01<PetaWindows>noflash: I mean, installing security packages of etch in a SID distrib....
18:01<maslak>ive been using fedora for more than a year, or maybe even for two years...
18:01<maslak>now I switched
18:02<maslak>i needed sid, cause etch had too old appz... eg. kernel 2.6.18,
18:03<PetaWindows>maslak: you also have lenny/testing
18:03<maslak>and i wanted too have compiz-fusion, and was told here that there are problems with nvidia drivers for lenny
18:03<maslak>so sid was my choice :)
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18:04<maslak>I also used/and am still using sidux live dvd on e.g. my girlfriends laptop, and it looked fine
18:04<PetaWindows>sidux? no idea :(
18:05<maslak>sidux = sid :)
18:05<PetaWindows>ok xD
18:05<maslak>just sounds cooler :D
18:06<maslak>u ever used automatix2?
18:06<maslak>cause it's quite easy to install some non-free packages with it...
18:07<maslak>but it's page is not working..
18:07<PetaWindows>I do not even know what program is that :S
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18:11<maslak>it's a package manager, but for packages like: Skype * AUD-DVD Codecs * Flash Player * MPlayer and FF Plugin * Multimedia Codecs * Sun Java 1.5 JRE * DVD Ripper * RealPlayer Acrobat Reader * Google Earth * Google Picasa* Opera Browser
18:12<maslak>installs them with few clicks
18:12<maslak>instead of browsing for every package separatly on its websites
18:15<maslak>is it hard to install kde to debian?
18:15<maslak>does it take a lot of effort/can possibly damage gnome settings?
18:15<PetaWindows>maslak: no... just apt-get install kde
18:15<dondelelcaro>maslak: aptitude install kde;
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18:16<dondelelcaro>maslak: if you're doing anything but using aptitude to install packages, you're probably working too hard.
18:16<maslak>so how do I install mp3 codecs via apt-get?
18:16<dondelelcaro>maslak: to do what with them?
18:17<dondelelcaro>libmad0 which we distribute handles playing them, no problem.
18:17<dondelelcaro>if you want to encode them, add a debian-multimedia sources.list entry, and install lame (though you should consider using ogg or flac)
18:17<chealer>maslak: no, it's not hard
18:18<chealer>!tell maslak about install kde
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18:20<maslak>debian-multimedia is an lets say "option",same as main or contrib, yes?
18:20<PetaWindows>maslak: it's a source
18:21<maslak>ok, so whats the full url?
18:21<dondelelcaro>!tell maslak -about debian-multimedia
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18:21*Supaplex waits for the disk to clone to the backup drive . . .
18:21<PetaWindows>deb sid main
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18:24<maslak>as a normal user I dont have permission to mount disks?
18:24<maslak>eg. my windows partitions?
18:25<PetaWindows>maslak: it depends on the settings in /etc/fstab
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18:26<Supaplex>maslak: that's normal. but like PetaWindows said, or sudo too. maybe pmount
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18:26<PetaWindows>Supaplex: what is pmount? :O
18:26<dpkg>[pmount] "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
18:27<PetaWindows>ty =)
18:27<Supaplex>np. there are some other automatons for various wm's that'll jump up and ask what you want to do when new media is inserted (cd/dvd/usb/etc)
18:27<maslak>but do I have write permissions? :)
18:27<Supaplex>usually only root has them.
18:28<Supaplex>!tell maslak -about grounding
18:28<PetaWindows>Supaplex: this will be very useful :D I always had to create mount points, directories, permissions, ... for every device I connected
18:29<Supaplex>I use to do it the old fashioned long way too.
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18:30<PetaWindows>Supaplex: funnier, but very annoying if you are in hurry
18:31<Supaplex>quite :)
18:31<PetaWindows>(or in A hurry??) xD
18:31<Supaplex>no bother. my brain has extensive ECC for typos. ;)
18:33<PetaWindows>Supaplex: but the correct is the second one? lol
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18:33<Supaplex>second one what? pmount?
18:33<PetaWindows>yes..... xD
18:33<sysk>Supaplex: Elliptic Curve Crypto ? :>
18:34<Supaplex>!wtf ecc
18:34<dpkg>Gee... I don't know what ecc means...
18:34*Supaplex watches dpkg's brain corrupt a few bits at a time
18:34<maslak>if I added the line "mateusz ALL=(ALL) ALL" into /etc/sudoers did I granted myself to much power, or is it acceptable?
18:35<maslak>i have to type password whenever I want to use sudo, so it's rater safe i think...
18:36<maslak>*mateusz is my user name
18:36<Supaplex>dpkg: ecc
18:36<dpkg>i heard ecc is (Error Checking and Correcting) Generally refers to memory chips, or motherboards that support this type of behavior in full-parity memory chips. ECC memory uses some extra memory on the memory chips for parity information and checks to see whether a memory error has occurred. If a minor memory error occurs, the ECC logic will handle it. With full-parity memory (one step below ECC), you will be alerted of a memory error and your system ...
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18:37<Supaplex>maslak: but is mateusz trustworthy? ;)
18:37<maslak>it's me ;)
18:37<maslak>though that does not answer your question...
18:38<sime>is there a way to get one /home/sime/Desktopx to have differents files on the desktop of the different workspaces in gnome?
18:38<sime>sorry for my bad english
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18:43<Supaplex>what compression is faster than gzip? less compression is okay.
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18:45<gsimmons>Supaplex: lzop
18:46<Supaplex>cool. thanks =)
18:46<maslak>is nfs3g driver installed by default in sid?
18:47<gsimmons>Supaplex: Alternatively, you can specify a compression speed to gzip (eg. --fast).
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18:51<Supaplex>gzip -1 too slow. :P trying to throw 320GB (60G data, rest 0's) into a snapshot backup (sata2 onto usb2)
18:52<Supaplex>looks like 4gb is there already.
18:55<maslak>hmm... i dont get it, how can I mount a simple ntfs partition so that a simple user can use it?
18:55<maslak>i read man mount etc
18:56<maslak>ive tried using options like -o uid=name,gid=group,umask=777
18:56<maslak>still those partitions are only for root
18:56<Supaplex>you might want ntfs-3g for readwrite
18:57<maslak>true, i thought it was already installed
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19:00<Supaplex>but ntfs and ntfs-3g filesystem drivers are different.
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19:01<ole>I have a toshiba, but toshset says: "required kernel toshiba support not enabled."
19:01<ole>I'm using testing
19:01<Supaplex>ole: new install?
19:01<maslak>mount -t ntfs -o uid=mateusz,gid=mateusz,umask=777 /dev/sda3 /media/Dokumenty <- is there sth wrong here?
19:01<Supaplex>-t ntfs-3g
19:02<Supaplex>what the heck is "sth"?
19:02<ole>it's few weeks old, but I haven't used it
19:02<maslak>the same as 'smth', the same as 'something'
19:02<ole>ok.. I modprobed toshiba and toshiba_acpi
19:02<Supaplex>ole: #debian-boot might have a better idea
19:03<Supaplex>er maybe
19:03<dpkg>[laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
19:03<ole>but now I get "toshset: this computer is not supported"
19:03<Supaplex>nm the #debian-boot idea.
19:03<Supaplex>see the urls dpkg tossed up
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19:04<Supaplex>maslak: ahh. not a common enough abbreivation to shorten it. it's irc, not text messaging. (just spell it out)
19:04<maslak>still I get replays that i dont have enough permissions to even open tyhe catalogue where i mounted the drive...
19:04<Supaplex>I don't know about that one. I'm so glad I don't use ntfs anymore.
19:05<maslak>from whta i know ntfs is not a bad filesystem
19:05<Supaplex>gsimmons: sweet. 220gb of 320gb now. there's only a 9gb data partition at the end of the disk. wheeee! :)
19:05<gsimmons>Supaplex: Ah, good to hear.
19:05<Supaplex>maslak: try it as root
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19:06<Supaplex>249gb ...
19:06<Supaplex>schweet :)
19:06<maslak>no problem to browse it while being a root
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19:06<maslak>but i want those drives to be available for normal users
19:06<fuzzwuzz>hi there i can'T remove data off my hdd under 4.0 etch
19:06<Supaplex>maslak: okay. unmount it, then mount it as the user. same effect?
19:07<Supaplex>fuzzwuzz: how are you trying to remove it?
19:07<maslak>as a user: mount: only root can do that
19:07<Supaplex>maslak: man fstab, see the user option.
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19:07<fuzzwuzz>i tried via console and with nautilus
19:07<Supaplex>maybe man 5 fstab if you get some programming related man page.
19:08<Supaplex>fuzzwuzz: just rm? as root? is the filesystem readonly? what error did you get?
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19:10<fuzzwuzz>if i remove it i cannot see it anymore but there is no space left after it
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19:11<Supaplex>and the filesystem is nearly full?
19:11<fuzzwuzz>but it seems to be removed
19:12<Supaplex>I've had that problem recently. please check bts and file a bug if you don't see anything like it there.
19:12<Supaplex>I may have reported one, but I'm not sure. you can search for for my reportting email
19:12<fuzzwuzz>ok thanks
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19:14<FireFox>Ïðèâåò âñåì! Ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, åñòü äèñòðèáóòèâ Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 4.0r3 íà ðóññêîì?
19:14<maslak>nice one :)
19:14<Supaplex>as a workaround you might try unmounting the filesystem, and mount it again. if that fails, try fsck in between (on a second try). it might also be good to run script(1) to capture a transcript to attach to the bug report. (suggested as an attachment, not an include)
19:15<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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19:16<simonrvn>ugh, all in some non-utf8-compatible encoding...
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19:18<Supaplex>!mmorpg utf8
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19:19<maslak>I added this line '/dev/sda7 /media/Games auto user,rw 0 0' to fstab...
19:19<maslak>damn... one sec
19:20<maslak>/dev/sda7 /media/Games auto,ntfs user,rw 0 0
19:20<maslak>like this
19:20<maslak>but it still does not work..
19:21<maslak>though from what i read simple sudo mount -a shoul do the thing...
19:21<PetaWindows>maslak: :S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S
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19:22<PetaWindows>maslak: I think it's wrong....
19:22<PetaWindows>it would be like this
19:22<simonrvn>um, it is wrong
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19:23<PetaWindows>/dev/sda7 /media/Games ntfs rw,user,auto 0 0
19:23<simonrvn>/dev/sda7 /media/Games ntfs defaults,user,rw(might want to add some other options like setting uid= and/or gid=) 0 0
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19:23<simonrvn>oops left out the auto
19:24<maslak>shouldnt auto be used as thype, that is in the third column
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19:24<maslak>some other lines from fstab would suggest that
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19:25<simonrvn>no, not in that context
19:25<PetaWindows>maslak: at the beginning of the file, it shows the correct order
19:25<PetaWindows># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
19:25<simonrvn>the auto as the third to last option means to mount it at boot
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19:26<simonrvn>under <options>
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19:26<simonrvn>as <type>, it means try auto-detection. only use that for dvds, cds, usb keys, and such.
19:26<maslak>not for partitons?
19:27<simonrvn>you can also specify more than one for the same devices, like udf,iso9660,vfat,bleh
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19:27<simonrvn>maslak: eh?
19:27<simonrvn>man mount and man fstab for more info
19:28<maslak>Ive already went through them...
19:28<PetaWindows>maslak: are you sure that the device you want to mount is /dev/sda7?
19:28<maslak>i try too mount some partitions with ntfs as a normal user, to have the case settled...
19:28<maslak>yes i am sure
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19:29<simonrvn>hence me suggesting using uid= and gid= earlier...
19:29<maslak>i can mount them simply but only for root
19:29<simonrvn>.:19:23:27:. < simonrvn> /dev/sda7 /media/Games ntfs defaults,user,rw(might want to add some other options like setting uid= and/or gid=) 0 0
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19:30<maslak>i'll try (i tried using this options while calling mount, but prehaps it will work when i add them to fstab)
19:30<xid>way not directly to user directory >>>> "/dev/sda7 /home/user/games ... " ?
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19:30<maslak>thats a good question...
19:31<maslak>but no... normal user can enter /media
19:31<simonrvn>any option you on the command line will work in fstab
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19:33<maslak>/dev/sda7 /media/Games ntfs defaults,user,rw,auto,uid=mateusz,gid=mateusz,umask=777 0 0
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19:34<Supaplex>usually. :) -o remount would be a bit pointless in fstab. hehe
19:34<maslak>i've added this line to fstab, and ran sudo mount -a,
19:34<Supaplex>uh, if it's user, sudo isn't needed.
19:34<Guest890>sorry only english ?
19:34<Supaplex>otherwise it'll be mounted as root
19:34<maslak>mateusz@debian:~/Desktop$ mount -a
19:34<maslak>mount: only root can do that
19:34<maslak>i get this without sudo
19:35<Supaplex>Guest890: that's right. what language do you want instead?
19:35<PetaWindows>Guest890: para el canal en castellano, entra en #debian-es
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19:37<maslak>i can do: mateusz@debian:~/Desktop$ mount /dev/sda7
19:37<maslak>but with the same effect
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19:37<maslak>i mean i can not enter it...
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19:38<maslak>i can only umount it...
19:38<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa
19:38<PetaWindows>maslak: but you can mount it...
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19:38<pmitros>I have a question about the ssh exploit. After a machine is apt-get updated/upgraded/dist-upgraded, is there anything I need to do to make sure it has no insecure keys anywhere (including anything that may be stored on user accounts), or is it just automatic?
19:39<PetaWindows>maslak: you can mount /dev/sda7 as user?
19:39<maslak>"The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files" this line finally solved the problem...
19:39<Supaplex>pmitros: there are some tools to check. I'm the only user on my machines, so no biggie here. :) I didn't pay attention...
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19:40<maslak>/dev/sda7 /media/Games ntfs defaults,user,rw,auto,uid=mateusz,gid=mateusz,umask=000 0 0
19:40<maslak>line like this and it works...
19:40<maslak>sorry ;/
19:41*pmitros found ssh-vulnkey, which found a bunch of "not blacklisted" keys, but one was
19:41<Supaplex>000 ? that's a little insecure
19:41<maslak>007 might be better...
19:41<Supaplex>0022 might be better.
19:41*pmitros doesn't know what "unknown" from ssh-vulnkey means
19:42<maslak>if there are four digits, first is for sticky bit?
19:42<maslak>then for user, group others, yup?
19:45<maslak>ok, but with things like this I still cant write
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19:46<maslak>should i switch ntfs to ntfs-3g?
19:46<PetaWindows>what's that?
19:47<maslak>thats an open ntfs driver allowing to write to ntfs partitions
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19:47<PetaWindows>maslak: I would do this......... first write this line in fstab
19:47<PetaWindows>/dev/sda7 /media/Games ntfs rw,user,auto 0 0
19:47<gsimmons>pmitros: It means ssh-vulnkey has no information about the key being affected.
19:48<PetaWindows>maslak: and then I would give permissions to that directory (/media/Games)
19:48<pmitros>gsimmons: Well, I figured out that much. But what are the possible reasons it might not have information?
19:48<PetaWindows>maslak: in order to allow users join it..
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19:50*pmitros ponders purging sshd and reinstalling it to get clean new keys
19:51<maslak>PetaWindows: it doesnt work...
19:51<maslak>chmod -R a+rwx /media/Games
19:51<PetaWindows>maslak: what is the error?
19:51<Supaplex>!don't work
19:51<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
19:52<gsimmons>pmitros: That's not necessary. "rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* && dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server" is sufficient.
19:52<maslak>throws errors that it cannot grant such permissions to normal files
19:52<maslak>only to catalogues
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19:54<xid>win don't use unix permissions ...
19:55<maslak>but if i mount as root, I can write to these partition..
19:55<maslak>so it's rather not a driver problem
19:55<dpkg>hmm... 777 is god (me, you and everything else) power over everything, or in unix it's presented in -rwxrwxrwx (full read/write/exec perms for everyone)
19:55<Supaplex>granting everyone write permission is no security
19:55<PetaWindows>maslak: yes... chmod 777
19:56<PetaWindows>chmod 777 /media/games
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19:56<Supaplex>bad habbit. no biscuit.
19:56<maslak>its the same chmod a+rwx
19:56<PetaWindows>Supaplex: it should be done as root?
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19:56<pmitros>gsimmons: Thank you. I think my machine is all secure now.
19:56<Supaplex>this ntfs partition should only be writeable by maslak's user
19:57<PetaWindows>maslak: I'm not sure... but I think a+rwx is for files and 777 is specific for directories
19:57<Supaplex>a+rwx is 777 is rwxrwxrwx. it's bad because it allows anything write access to the files/directories/etc.
19:58<PetaWindows>oh ok
19:58<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa
19:58<Supaplex>the suggested defaults by dpkg on this factoid are more sane.
19:58<maslak>Supaplex, i know its wrong etc etc, but right now im trying to grant a single user write permisisions
19:58<xid>so, have to be mounted in /home/maslak
19:58<maslak>if i manage that i will switch off non secure permisssions
19:58<Supaplex>not neccessiarly in /home
19:59<Laeborg>i have 2x160gb hdd in my server, but can i make them as one 320gb, without lose any data on the master disc?
19:59<Supaplex>you can only control ntfs/vfat permissions via the mount options.
19:59<Supaplex>why whould you mount ntfs as your $HOME anyway?
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20:00<Supaplex>it'll live just fine in /media/something
20:00<Supaplex>did they uninvent symlinks or something?
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20:01<Supaplex>most of my systems use ~/iso-images as a symlink to /net/box/iso-images (for nfs). /media has a special meaning and works well for this situation
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20:01<maslak>mount at $HOME/Games didnt help it
20:01<maslak>works the same as at /media/Games
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20:02<maslak>still.. normal user cant write to it..
20:02<mason_>I just got debian today, it seems pretty cool
20:02<Supaplex>maslak: I'm flying blind here. I need to see some transcripts. I suspect more is going on that we're being told. maybe it's not supported, but it's to my understanding you're trying to mount a ntfs partition read write with 755 permission directories and 644 permission files.
20:03<Supaplex>maslak: one user? define normal user. is this a box with one normal user accessing it? 12? what?
20:03<PetaWindows>well.... good night! (or morning, or afternoon, wherever you are!)
20:03*Supaplex has no ntfs partition to test this with either
20:03<PetaWindows>and good luck!
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20:04<mason_>I have a quick question, if anyone wants to answer it
20:04<Supaplex>!tell mason_ -about ask
20:05<Supaplex>maslak: I assume the normal user gets permission denied messages when writing to it? what's the exact error message? show us "mount" output at
20:05<PetaWindows>mason_: it's a quick question whether anyone wants to answer it or not ;)
20:05<Supaplex>PetaWindows: but you passed mind reading school, right? ;)
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20:06<PetaWindows>?? XD
20:06<maslak>any other ideas? :)
20:07<mason_>Ok, well, I have 3 hardrives in my comp, one is an IDE Master, 100 gig, which has all my linux stuff on it. I also have 2 other empty SCSI hardrives. My problem is that I can't see the SCISI hardrives when I click on system
20:07<PetaWindows>Supaplex: ohm ok :P yeahhh
20:07<Supaplex>maslak: did you read my last few lines? *sigh*
20:07<xid><Supaplex> maslak: one user? define normal user. is this a box with one normal user accessing it? 12? what?
20:08<maslak>give me a moemnt, i'll gather answers to all of thee
20:08<maslak>one user called mateusz
20:08<PetaWindows>byebyebye ppl!
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20:09<Supaplex>okay. and how about mount output on ? :)
20:09<maslak>there is no output...
20:09<Supaplex>mount | grep ntfs might be all I need.
20:09<maslak>it's just accepted
20:09<Supaplex>uhh... what? so your /etc/mtab file is empty?
20:10<Supaplex>grep ntfs /proc/mounts is an alternative to mount.
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20:14<Supaplex>why is umask=000 ?
20:14<Supaplex>and fs=ntfs? it should be ntfs-3g
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20:15<Supaplex>ntfs alone has no practical support for read/write
20:15<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa
20:15<Supaplex>that's unless you like losing data
20:15<maslak>i made it 000 for now, so that everyting can be done
20:16<Supaplex>I give up. have fun.
20:16<maslak>i can switch to 022 but i dont think it will help
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20:16<maslak>but even using ntfs i could write as root
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20:16<mason_>How do I get it so I can see my hardrives?
20:16<maslak>with ntfs-3g it prints some errors
20:17<Supaplex>oh I didn't say you can't. I only said it wasn't practical.
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20:17<Supaplex>I think the mount options are little different between the two. try the man pages for more detail
20:18<Supaplex>mason_: are they listed in /proc/partitions ?
20:18<Laeborg>i have 2x160gb hdd, is it possible to put them together to one 320gb (some raid of a art?)
20:19<dpkg>md is probably the Multiple Device driver (aka Linux Software RAID). See md(4) and ask me about <software raid>.
20:19<mason_>I dont see anything in /proc/partitions
20:19<dpkg>[lvm] at, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or and
20:20<maslak>there is no special part for ntfs-3g, at least in my manuals...
20:20<mason_>I opened /proc/partitions with Gedit and theres nothing in it
20:20<maslak>ok, but there is man ntfs-3g
20:21<Supaplex>you don't edit /proc entries like that. just cat will do.
20:21<Laeborg>anything i can do so i not lose the data one the master disc?
20:21<dpkg>i guess raid1 is a single mirrored raid with a minimum of two drives
20:21<Supaplex>Laeborg: are you trying to build raid over existing data w/o loss? you'll need a backup to restore from.
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20:23<Laeborg>on the master disc theres 2 partitions: Linux Swap and Linux
20:23<mason_>What do you mean Cat?
20:24<xid> cat /proc/partitions
20:24<xid>sorry maslak
20:24<mason_>Ok, well they are listed in there
20:24<xid>mason_, add /dev/sdax, /dev/sdbx to your fstab , have fun
20:25<Supaplex>!tel mason_ -about grounding
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20:25<Supaplex>er. this box is laggggggged to $%*@%(
20:25<xid>mason_, don't pm me
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20:26<mason_>anyways, how do I do what you said
20:26<Laeborg>i have webmin installed. and i can see i can add a partition named 'Linux LVM'
20:27<xid>mason_, read some info on google at least
20:27<Supaplex>Laeborg: webmin in debian? how?
20:28<Laeborg>Supaplex: via a .deb file? :P
20:28<dpkg>from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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20:30<mason_>How do I add /dev/sda1 to my fstab
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20:31<Supaplex>uhm... with a text editor.
20:31<Supaplex>not with /quit
20:32<xid>better ...
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20:44<vlad>can somebody helpme to install ati x1550 on debian, im noob :( i just had to reinstall debian
20:44<xid>vlad you speake romanian ?
20:45<vlad>a bit of english
20:45<mr-Kirch>hey i need some epiphany help
20:45<mr-Kirch>when i close a tab my whole browser closes
20:45<xid>vlad, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
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20:46<vlad>xid: xserver.-org not installed
20:47<vlad>ypep that
20:48<mr-Kirch>can somebody help me get this icon
20:48<xid>sorry dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:48<mr-Kirch>its his home folder
20:48<mr-Kirch>i just dont know how to get that style
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20:49<xid>mr-Kirch, have checked for a bug ?
20:49<yangsx>hi, anyone know how to set konsole to use emacs-style keybindings?
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20:49<mr-Kirch>no i just got ff instead lol
20:50<Supaplex>yangsx: what are you doing that it shows it's not using those keybindings?
20:51<yangsx>I'm trying to upgrade from kde 3 to kde 4
20:51<dpkg>methinks kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
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20:51<Supaplex>someday i'll test it too.
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20:52<yangsx>Supaplex: yes, I know that, and my colleagues installing stable also cannot get the emacs style
20:52<yangsx>Supaplex: I don't know how to change that, either
20:52<Supaplex>oh? strange. it's the default here.
20:52<Supaplex>I thought you had to go out of your way to change it.
20:52<Supaplex>is this in bash?
20:53<Supaplex>echo $SHELLOPTS
20:53<yangsx>yes, it's using bash, I got: braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:interactive-comments:monitor
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20:54<Supaplex>okay. walk us through what you're doing, what you see, and what you expect instead.
20:54<yangsx>Supaplex: seems ALT-b opens the BOOKMARK menu
20:55<Supaplex>humm. not here. it acts like ^A (begining of line)
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20:56<Supaplex>but I'm running konsole under openbox3
20:56<Supaplex>isn't there a keyboard configuration widget in the system tools or something?
20:56<yangsx>Supaplex: Control-A works fine
20:56<charzero>Is it possible to run the debian installer from an already installed debian system and install to another partition?
20:57<Supaplex>charzero: no point. check out the install guide on how to install on existing linux systems.
20:57<charzero>Supaplex: No functioning floppy or cdrom drive, no cd to do netboot from.
20:58<Supaplex>you may also consider vserver if you're trying to isolate device access and other privlidges from the guests. (works great for development build testing)
20:58<stroyan>charzero: You want debootstrap. Both the package name and the command.
20:58<Supaplex>and it's all covered in the install guide (minus the vserver stuff, that's somewhat different)
20:58<charzero>stroyan: Ah. Thanks.
20:58<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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21:10<argonel>why are almost all pages on the wiki immutable?
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21:12<dondelelcaro>argonel: because you need an account?
21:12<argonel>i am signed in.
21:12<xid>when ?
21:12<argonel>right now. just created the account.
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21:13<xid>whait for activate , or so
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21:17<yangsx>So it seems to me the key bindings for menu items Alt-b, Alt-f are hindering me using some emacs-style command-line editing bindings
21:17<vlad>how can i update kernel with apt-get?
21:18<argonel>for >15 partitions on sata, is evms the debian way?
21:18<yangsx>how can I disable the konsole menu's keybinding?
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21:19<argonel>yangsx: what konsole version?
21:21<yangsx>kde4's, but one of my colleagues also has the same problem with kde3 in stable
21:21<argonel>odd. my konsole has no accelerators for the menus
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21:22<yangsx>argonel: I mean Alt-f for File menu, Alt-b for Bookmark menu
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21:23<argonel>yangsx: yes, precisely.
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21:23<argonel>yangsx: is there an underline under the F of File on the menu bar of konsole?
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21:24<yangsx>argonel: yes, there is the underline
21:24<keila>mdadm: DegradedArray event detected on md device /dev/md0 what can i do about this? i cant find any other info except this in the logs
21:25<argonel>yangsx: apt-cache policy konsole | grep Installed
21:26<chealer>argonel: which page, for example?
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21:26<argonel>chealer: hey, ltns:) for example
21:26<yangsx>argonel: I'm trying the kde4 version: 4:4.0.80-1
21:28<yangsx>is there a way to disable the keys for konsole?
21:28<chealer>argonel: hey. that one isn't immutable (moin offers me to edit)
21:29<argonel>chealer: something is wrong on this end. /me puzzles
21:29<ole>how to ensure that apt only install packages from a give repository
21:30<argonel>chealer: did the accounts get migrated over from kwiki?
21:30<ole>-t testing seems to be the thing, but when I run --dry-run I get this: Inst nvidia-kernel-source (169.12-4 Debian:unstable)
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21:32<chealer>argonel: oh. I can't remember how the transition was done, it's too long ago. I only seem to remember that I already had an authorization problem with moin, possibly migration-related.
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21:33<argonel>chealer: hmm, ok. i had never actually used my account after he made it, i lost the job that gave me the time to work on it :p
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21:39<chealer>argonel: oh. it seems I changed login with the migration. moin says the old login doesn't exist anymore
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21:59<argonel>ok, cookie rejection policies should expire
22:00<argonel>yangsx: so i'm told by at least one person who is using kde4 at the moment that there are accelerators in kde4's konsole, which kinda sucks. i dunno about kde4.1 yet, it is still building
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22:03<Gene>Good day sirs.
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22:03<Gene>My wireless is still not working, I've tried everything
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22:04<Gene>using bc43 drivers
22:04<Gene>have the firmware from linuxwireless
22:04<Gene>new kernel,
22:04<Gene>wlan0 shows up as my card however I still cannot see any wireless networks
22:05<Gene>I've disabled the WPA on mine and left it open yet it still cannot be seen
22:05<Gene>Any suggestions?
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22:14<argonel>yangsx: go vote.
22:14<gsimmons>Gene: You're using the b43 driver? Have you extracted the firmware using b43-fwcutter?
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22:15<yangsx>argonel: ok
22:16<Gene>I followed the guide here:
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22:17<gsimmons>Gene: "dmesg | grep ^b43", see if there's anything amiss. In particular, verify that the radio was enabled.
22:17<Gene>no returns
22:18<gsimmons>Gene: Ah, I'm sorry, new timestamp. "dmesg | grep b43" will suffice.
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22:20<Gene>[ 9.068976] b43-phy0: Broadcom 4311 WLAN found
22:20<Gene>[ 19.598771] b43-phy0: Radio hardware status changed to DISABLED
22:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:20<Gene>1 more line is ok right?
22:21<gsimmons>Gene: You can paste the whole output at a paste site, we can all take a look this way.
22:21<Gene>sure thing
22:21<Gene>well it got changed to enabled
22:21<Gene>i'll post it anyways
22:24<gsimmons>Gene: Now that you have the radio enabled, scan for available networks or associate with a specific one.
22:24<Gene>whats the console command for scan?
22:26<gsimmons>Gene: iwlist foo scanning
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22:27<Gene>scan worked!
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22:28<Gene>that means that the card works..
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22:28<Gene>wonder why gnome-network-manager isn't showing anything wireless
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22:39<Gene>gsimmons: not letting me connect to any wireless networks
22:41<blarson>Gene: iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid of your net>
22:41<blarson>Gene: dhclient
22:43<Gene>let me get off eth0
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22:44<Gene>I belived that it has worked
22:45<Gene>or not
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22:50<Gene>did not work :(
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22:54<blarson>Gene: Did the dhclient give you an address for wlan0 ?
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22:58<Gene>at first I thought it did
22:58<Gene>it just retried on eth0
22:58<Gene>and connected that way
22:59<blarson>Try dhclient wlan0
23:00<Gene>sends discovers
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23:02<Gene>getting a weird wmaster0 error
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23:08<Gene>tried using wifi-radar but it got stuck at aquiring ip address
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23:11<blarson>Gene: The wmaster0 error is normal, I get it too.
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23:15<Gene>not sure what could be wrong then
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23:16*shilow_ is Away, Reason: ( blah ) | Since: ( Monday, May 19, 2008. 22:43:48 ) Xlack v2.1
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23:34<tenzind>Hi.. I was using jigdo to download the first CD of debian for i386. It fails at the last moment by saying it cannot download the file libsqlite3-0_3.5.8-4_i386.deb. I could not find this deb on any mirror .. Now, is all the other data that i downloaded useless??
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23:41<Gene>blarson: any other suggestions? I've just tried to configure it manually with no avail
23:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 349] by debhelper
23:42<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How can I remotly kill X so it restarts?
23:42<Gene>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
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23:44<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>thanks =)
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23:52<gsimmons>tenzind: 'libsqlite3-0' is currently at version 3.5.9-1. Are you using a lenny_di_beta1 .jigdo file? You'd want to be using a more recent .jigdo from weekly-builds instead.
23:53<tenzind>gsimmons: i was using a weekly-build jigdo file. I downloaded it last friday
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23:55<HelloThere>Hi all
23:55<HelloThere>whoops, wrong server
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23:56<tenzind>gsimmons: i downloaded the .jigdo and .template from and used as the mirror
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23:57<gsimmons>tenzind: Well, 'libsqlite3-0' migrated to testing a day after the last weekly-build .jigdo was made. You'll need to either adjust it to reference 3.5.9-1, or wait for the next .jigdo to be produced.
23:59<tenzind>gsimmons: how can i adjust it to reference the new version? and if i wait for the next .jigdo, will i be able to use the debs that has already been downloaded? there is no .iso file yet .. theres only a .iso.tmp file right now
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