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---Logopened Mon Jun 02 00:00:16 2008
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00:15<mason>Hey, is there a way I can add things to the Computer folder thing?
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00:16<mason>I just mounted 2 SCSI hard drives, and they don't show up in the computer folder
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00:26<kop>I just tried "aptitude search ~Padmin::issuetracker" expecting to find things tagged with "admin::issuetracker" and found nothing. Why not?
00:26<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Does rsync work with SSH?
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00:27<Hydroxide>kop: are you sure that's a valid tag?
00:27<kop>GhostlyDeath|Laptop : Yes.
00:27<gsimmons>kop: Wrong search pattern. You'd want ~G.
00:28<Hydroxide>aah, thereyago.
00:28<kop>Hydroxide : No. But that's what's next to "Tags:" in "aptitude show request-tracker3.6". And I can't find a description of "aptitude show" output.
00:29<kop>gsimmons : Thanks.
00:29<Hydroxide>kop: ah, do you have the debtags database set up properly?
00:30<kop>Hydroxide : How would I tell? (FYI, ~G seems to work, but returns only the one package!)
00:32<Hydroxide>kop: which version of aptitude do you have? and has the debtags package been installed since before you last updated package lists?
00:32<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>kop: thanks
00:33<kop>Hydroxide : There seems little to break with debtags. 0.4.4-4 And yes.
00:33<Hydroxide>kop: and yeah, that's the only package with that tag
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00:34<Hydroxide>hrm, I didn't realize aptitude's support for debtags went that far back. but I have a current sid version of aptitude, and it lets me browse in the GUI by tag
00:34<kop>GhostlyDeath|Laptop : I prefer to use authorized_keys with: no-pty,command="rsync --server --daemon ." ssh-dss ...
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00:35<Hydroxide>kop: you should probably switch to rsa - dsa is inherently weak if you ever use it with a weak random number generator, even with a pre-existing key created with a good RNG
00:35<Hydroxide>kop: if you do that, then the key is fully compromised (assuming an attacker's paying attention)
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00:37<twb>I need a read-only bind mount to stop myself from shooting myself in the foor.
00:37<twb>Can I have a unionfs mount with now re cow?
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00:41<twb>This test mount isn't working: mount -t unionfs -o ro -o dirs=/srv=ro none /tmp/yow
00:41<twb>I get [1107072.998693] unionfs_read_super: error while parsing options (err = -22)
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01:04<kop>twb: Why not "mount -bind ..."
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01:04<gsimmons>tenzind: You won't need to download the ISO data again, as your .debs are preserved within the image. I've managed to find your libsqlite3-0 version locally, you can /msg me regarding it.
01:04<brucepacheco>hola buen dia
01:05<kop>Hydroxide : Good to know
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01:05<twb>kop: --bind mounts do not support -o ro
01:05<twb>It turns out that unionfs *needs* a rw cow, even for -o ro. Using -t aufs instead fixes it, AFAICT.
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01:06<kop>twb : I've got "bind,auto,ro" as the options in fstab, and it works.
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01:08<twb>kop: as is it genuinely read-only?
01:08<twb>kop: last time I checked -o ro was silently ignored
01:09<cobra__>heh i am offocially annoyed atm
01:09<cobra__>any xchat gurus in the house ?
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01:11<kop>twb: You're right. It's not genuinely read-only. What's with the silent ignoring. That's stupid.
01:11<twb>Hooray, I helped someone by complaining!
01:12<kop>twb: Plus, you generated another complaint. At that rate we'll all be smart real soon now!
01:14<kop>Any way to develop flash in Linux?
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01:14<twb>kop: it involves selling out
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01:15<cobra__>anyone here successful in "skinning" thier xchat?
01:15<kop>twb: Pity. That makes the chumby un-useful for hacking.
01:16<cobra__>i want to change top title bar color and the framing and am lost as where to start
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01:16<tenzind>gsimmons: iso created successfully .. thanks .. :)
01:17<gsimmons>tenzind: np
01:17<grml_user>i didn't know there were any irc clients that weren't terminal based thats crazy
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01:19<cobra__>i know it can be done as i have seen screenshots like this
01:19<cobra__>that show diff colors in frames and such
01:19<cobra__>i just dont know where the variable for the colors in them is hidden in the ap
01:20<cahoot>try #xchat on freenode?
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01:21<mason>any1 there
01:21<cobra__>cahoot, i would but every time i have ever been in there it seems more like a gentoo chat than an xchat one.. they all seem to think everyone should automatically know how everything works and not want to ask to find out how to do things
01:21<cobra__>morn mason
01:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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01:22<mason>I was wondering if someone could tell me how I could make a RAID 0 with 2 drives i have in my comp
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01:23<cobra__>nah i am lost with raid myself.. sorry bud
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01:24<kop>mason : There may be something at in the reference manual. There's a software raid howto wiki (the book at is old)
01:25<kop>mason : I just read "man mdadm" (IIRC)
01:25<kop>mason : You may need to install the package.
01:25<mason>I just installed mdadm, but I don't know what to do with it
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01:26<kop>mason : Look in /usr/share/doc/mdadm*/
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01:28<mason>there's a readme in there, but it doesnt talk about creating a raid
01:30<jm_>you want to configure RAID but can't even find docs for it?
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01:31<kop>mason: What's wrong with "man mdadm"?
01:31<kop>mason : The mdadm man page is not useful?
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01:44<twb>You can set up md RAID easily using the debian-installer.
01:44<twb>But doing RAID0 is REALLY REALLY DUMB
01:45<twb>It means that if ANY node in the array fails, you're fucked.
01:45<twb>And it doesn't give you a significant speed boost unless each node is on its own bus.
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01:57<joshua_>hey guys is there a netinstall for testing?
01:58<gsimmons>joshua_: Yes.
01:58<joshua_>i'm looking on and i can't find it
01:58<gsimmons>!install testing
01:58<dpkg>To install testing, see
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02:00<joshua_>gsimmons: thank you
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02:03<joshua_>if i'm running encrypted disks and am about to reinstall just wanted to know if there was anything special i have to do or will a format just work?
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02:03<Zoup> does debian has any debug kernel ( compiled with -g ) available ?
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02:11<jm_>Zoup: why woul dit need that? 99.999% of people have no use of it, and those who do surely have enough skills to build their own kernel
02:12<twb>MAD skillz
02:12<Zoup>jm_: i need a 'ready to use' solution for my customers , we have kexec (kdump) automatically gather vmcore , i need dump kernel for a fast way to analyze dump file
02:13<jm_>Zoup: build your own kernel package for them
02:13<Zoup>jm_: ok , is source needs to be 'exactly the same' as debian package ?
02:13<jm_>Zoup: nope
02:14<jm_>you can take one and build .deb out of it
02:14<Zoup>jm_: you mean any vmlinuz will work as debugger of debian crashed kernel ?
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02:14<jm_>Zoup: no
02:14<Zoup>jm_: means i can use 2.6.25 compiled with -g to debug debian 2.6.24 ?
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02:15<Zoup>jm_: ofc , so i need to have exact same source tree of debian , change config file to allow -g , use that to debug main debian kernel ?
02:17<jm_>Zoup: you need vmlinux file for the kernel you want to analyse dump for
02:18<Zoup>jm_: ok , how can i build that ? since debian has million of patchs , very dynamic kernel tree ?
02:18<jm_>Zoup: like I said, you can use any source you want for it, including debian's
02:18<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just
02:19<Zoup>jm_: thanks :)
02:19<Zoup>jm_: can i ask one more question please ?
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02:19<jm_>Zoup: you have my permission
02:19<simonrvn>you don't have to ask permission
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02:19<k1lumin4t1>does anybody know to which processor family under kernel config does AMD Sempron belong to?
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02:20<jm_>k1lumin4t1: the answer is of course "no"
02:20<Zoup>jm_: current debian kernel is 2.6.24+13 , i need to build a kernel with -g , to debug this kernel , and its not needed to run the debug kernel , its just used as aa ... map to analyze main debian kernel , right ?
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02:21<simonrvn>Zoup: RYO
02:21<jm_>Zoup: no, my idea was to build your own package that will server as both, I wouldn't assume that will work
02:21<dpkg>methinks ryo is roll your own
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02:22<Zoup>simonrvn: thanks :)
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02:22<Zoup>jm_: suggest that its needed to actually boot the debug kernel , any idea on this ?
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02:24<Zoup>jm_: sorry , its not needed i mean
02:25<jm_>Zoup: yes, you can't boot that file
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02:26<Zoup>jm_: so , get tree soruce of current upstream kernel , enable -g , use that to analyze dump of upstream kernel . right ?
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02:27<kop>twb: How about using haxe to make flash files?
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02:30<twb>kop: adobe flash is evil.
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02:37<jm_>Zoup: just a sec
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02:40<Zoup>jm_: thank you
02:40<kop>twb: I want a display device for a solid state video-less device. (a soekris) The chumby would do exactly what I want, but is flash only. :( However, I've just discovered lcdproc, and if I can get hardware that might do the trick.
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02:44<twb>kop: oh, *that* kind of flash
02:44<twb>I call those SSDs, because apparently most of them aren't flash.
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02:50<jm_>Zoup: yes, that looks like a correct procedure since those tools want it built with -g, but I think running kernel shouldn't be built like that so you'll have to do some more work
02:51<jm_>twb: interesting, what do they use for SSD-s then?
02:51<jm_>I always thought it's flash which makes them expensive and usually slow
02:52<Zoup>jm_: while you was away i have tried that , i did build kernel-tree , copy vmlinux to that server , use crash vmlinux vmcore , ofc it accepts the file but returning 'invalid kernel virtual address'
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02:52<jm_>Zoup: yeah it needs to match your kernel image
02:52<jm_>Zoup: in other words, it has to be from the same build
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02:53<kop>twb: No, it's really adobe actionscript flash. It's all the chumby runs. :-(
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02:53<Zoup>jm_: aaha! well , its appear that kernel-tree is not same build as upstream testing kernel , how can i get that build ?
02:53<jm_>Zoup: which kernel tree?
02:53<Zoup>jm_: 'kernel-tree' package
02:53<jm_>Zoup: there is no such package
02:54<Zoup>jm_: ops , kernel-package
02:54<kop>twb: Actually, it'll run other stuff installed on a USB stick because it runs linux. You can make it run something at boot. But I don't know how I'd get user input execpt for with flash. :(
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02:54<jm_>Zoup: that has no kernel sources, but it probably installed debian kernel source for you
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02:55<Zoup>jm_: why is , by the way is not same build as the kernel that DI installed
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02:55<jm_>Zoup: it may not be configured the same way, another thing is gcc version used and so on
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02:55<Zoup>jm_: so its nearly impossible to get 'exactly' same build , right ?
02:56<jm_>Zoup: that's why you use your own build to do the job
02:56<Zoup>jm_: unless #debian-kernel provide the debug kernels , isnt it a good idea ?
02:57<cabowitz>hallo can anyone give me a liittle help with something? i am on lenny amd64 and need to run my dv cam, but /dev/raw1394 does not exist..i know it is necessary to compile some modules to kernel but i didt find any help to this topic on web... :-/
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02:59<jm_>Zoup: unlikely
02:59<jm_>cabowitz: are you using debian's kernel?
02:59<Zoup>jm_: why ? a debuginfo package wont hurt anyone
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03:00<jm_>Zoup: there's already too many kernel images available, and since it's not useful for majority of people ...
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03:19<first-lafs>Thanks to the Debian people!
03:19<first-lafs>I have supported the wireless card!
03:19<gsimmons>cabowitz: AFAICT, the old firewire stack is disabled in Debian kernel images owing to security concerns (see bug #436267). Userspace integration of the new stack (juju) is currently lacking. To restore use of the old firewire stack, you can either make a custom kernel (with it re-enabled) or use third-party kernel package (
03:19<first-lafs>Thanks for your help information!
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03:20<first-lafs>If anyone has problems with installing ipw220 wireless cards he can ask me.
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03:33<gidna>Try saving to disk first and then opening the file. firefox tells me this
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03:37<CSpaceMatrix>hey guys
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03:38<CSpaceMatrix>i followed the instruction in this page to install my sound system but now i get this error
03:39<CSpaceMatrix>when i used module-assistant a-i alsa
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03:39<jm_>why are you building your own alsa modules?
03:39<CSpaceMatrix>the orange key on laptop (HP TX 1000) turned blue but the sound driver don't load anymore with "unknown symbol" error
03:40<CSpaceMatrix>oh hey jm
03:40<CSpaceMatrix>well, i followed that page, with the first method i could make the sound out of system
03:40<CSpaceMatrix>but as it said the headphone didnt work
03:40<CSpaceMatrix>and button was still orange
03:41<CSpaceMatrix>so i recreated it with that command and button is blue now, but no sound naymore
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03:41<CSpaceMatrix>so why is that
03:41<jm_>unknown symbol means something's missing
03:42<CSpaceMatrix>u mean kinda a package
03:42<CSpaceMatrix>or sth
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03:46<jm_>no, function name, variable, ...
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03:47<CSpaceMatrix>so is there anyway to solve this issue
03:48<CSpaceMatrix>i checked dmesg but i didn't get any useful infos
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03:50<jm_>maybe it's as simple as requiring a newer kernel - you just need to find out what provides missing symbol(s)
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03:59<Zoup>jm_: thanks for your help :)
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04:00<Zoup>jm_: i did ask debian kernel developers to provide -g enabled kernels , see what will happen
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04:00<Zoup>jm_: after all its not very good idea to force enterprise to maintain a kernel tree while they can provider them much more easier
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04:03<CSpaceMatrix>can i go back to old alsa modules
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04:04<CSpaceMatrix>u know, ignore or remove the new updated snd_hda_intel one
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04:39<jm_>cabowitz: no msgs, please see what gsimmons told you
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05:38<fhj9th94>Debian hm
05:38<fhj9th94>warum benutzt ihr kein Win ?
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05:46<aliumalik>does anyone know why editing xorg.conf does not work in sid anymore? I am getting a weird resolution
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05:47<Bushmills>i don't. maybe it depends on *what* you edit
05:48<aliumalik>I added the resolution to the screen section to no effect
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05:48<Bushmills>monitor limits
05:49<aliumalik>its a vm...
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05:49<Bushmills>it is still xorg.conf where you set those
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05:50<Bushmills>alternatively, uses section for different colour depth
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05:52<jm_>aliumalik: it should work, it's just that it creates more or less empty one by default
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05:52<sheldonh>with exim4 split-config, is there a clever way to add rules to acl_check_mail without having to edit 30_exim4-config_check_mail?
05:53<sheldonh>"MAIN_ACL_CHECK_MAIL= acl_my_own_check_mail" in 00_localmacros
05:54<sheldonh>i knew someone who put that much work into breaking it up wouldn't have let that slip by :)
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07:10<grzeg123>elo wszystkim
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07:11<wieszczu>ble ble
07:11<cibor>hehe hihi
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07:12<buahaha>po grzyba sie podpisujecie -.-
07:12<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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07:13<cibor>eloe loervo
07:13<buahaha>you are disconnected from server...... please restart your computer
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07:13<bobi>hej dzimbo
07:14<cibor>z ciebie
07:14<cibor>zasrany szaman
07:14<bobi>skurw(....) rogue
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07:14<cibor>heheheh noob ja jestem palkinem walniety hordziaku
07:15<bobi>zasysaj allochu xD
07:15<jm_>!ops time to silence some polish trolls
07:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jm_ complains about: time to silence some polish trolls
07:15<yoyoyoyo>HORDA SMIERDZI GOWNEM !!!!!!!xD
07:15<cibor>co mam zasysac?
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07:18<sheldonh>jm_: how did it know which nics you were complaining about?
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07:18<sheldonh>ah, nevermind, i see now :)
07:18<jm_>sheldonh: my bet would be on them joining some other channels too
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07:47<Stumbles>say I wanted to get the output of a command run on a remote server via ssh and redirect or pipe it somewhere locally. Can I do something along the lines of: ssh me@remotehost command ... | localcommand
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07:49<Stumbles>in the example, i assume the pipe would be run remotely. How can I tell it that I've finised the remote command?
07:49<jm_>no pipe is local in that example
07:50<Stumbles>oh right, does that mean you have to put it all in quotes or something to make a remote pipe?
07:50<jm_>yes but then all of it would run remotely
07:51<Stumbles>cool, i think i get the idea, thanks
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07:53<Stumbles>wow, that is *very* cool -- I can run now run my database backup over ssh and receive the output as compressed stout :D
07:53<jm_>ssh does its own compression, did you measure how much you gain?
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07:56<Stumbles>That would be interesting to see. Though if I send the stdout through bzip2 remotely, I can just leave it compressed locally to save space.
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08:00<jm_>right, it's probably much higher rate anyway
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08:10<Stumbles>if I wanted to take the output from a local command and pipe it to a remote command, would it go like this: localcommand | ssh me@remotehost '| remotecommand'
08:10<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
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08:11<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
08:11<sheldonh>Stumbles: no. localcommand | ssh me@remotehost 'remotecommand'
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08:12<Stumbles>sheldonh: whoops, of course! :) thankyou
08:12<sheldonh>you're welcome :)
08:13<Stumbles>what about redirecting to a remote file?
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08:18<sheldonh>Stumbles: no. localcommand | ssh me@remotehost 'remotecommand > remotefile'
08:18<sheldonh>Stumbles: note that remotecommand could be as simple as cat :)
08:18<Stumbles>true! :)
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08:20<Stumbles>thanks again, restoring my database from the local backup just got much easier :)
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08:34<Lincoln>anyone know about using chroot to run 32 bit games like penumbra overture
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08:56<Zathraz>Hi. I am looking for a way (script/job) to monitor the plugging (mount/unmount) of USB mass storage devices on Debian Etch (udev). I found such a script some time a go but fail to find it again
08:56<Zathraz>any pointers much appreciated
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09:00<Zathraz>jm_ cool. tnx
09:01<Zathraz>only one issue to tackle now: the Etch install is in a VM
09:02<Zathraz>I will delve into that now
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09:03<enouf>monitor? pmount? automount/autofs? .. ah the Description of usbmount mentions all that
09:04<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
09:04<Zathraz>Other issue (on Lenny): I have a Microsoft digital media keyboard 1.0A). F keys do not work and sometimes apps in a terminal stop responding to keystrokes besides ctrl+c
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09:08<jm_>try xev in X
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09:10<Zathraz>no output on keystrokes
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09:11<jm_>it doesn't say anything at all?
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09:20<Dieterbe>Hi all, i made a package ( A ) that depends on B. B has no dependencies, only recommends. so when i want to install B -with aptitude- it will not install other packages. (not even the recommends, this is good imo) .however, when i try to install A, it will install A, B, and the recommended packages of B ! why is this, and how can i avoid it? thanks
09:20<jm_>Dieterbe: in etch?
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09:22<jm_>how did you disable installation of recommended packages?
09:22<diego>hi there, I cant make a dual screen work
09:22<diego>any help
09:22<diego>I have an nvidia and an ATI and two monitors ...
09:22<diego>someone told me I should be able to do it even if the graphic cards are not the same
09:23<kop>diego : You should be able to. I can't help now.
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09:23<Dieterbe>that's the funny thing jm_ , i didn't. actually if i start aptitude ncurses, it is configured to install recommended packages automatically
09:24<jm_>Dieterbe: try this: grep -i recomm ~/.aptitude/*
09:25<Dieterbe>dieter@web125:~$ grep -i recomm ~/.aptitude/*
09:25<Dieterbe>grep: /home/dieter/.aptitude/*: No such file or directory
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09:25<jm_>hmm I wonder where it's getting it from - are you calling it with -f?
09:26<jm_>uhm -R
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09:26<Dieterbe>no, no special options
09:27<jm_>Dieterbe: I haven't noticed it doing this, do you have an example package?
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09:27<Dieterbe>jm_: i'll build you one.. .deb is ok for you?
09:28<Dieterbe>or do you just need the control file?
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09:29<jm_>Dieterbe: wait, this isn't happening with debian packages?
09:31<jm_>sorry I have to run now
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09:36<Dieterbe>sort of.. i'm building my own package (it contains a config file for the nagios nrpe server) and depends on nagios-nrpe-server -which is the debian package-
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09:45<lordblaa>hey everyone, what's the best way to install >=apache2.2.4 on deb etch?
09:45<weasel>the best way is to be content with 2.2.3
09:46<lordblaa>hehe, yeah, but 2.2.3 has a bug we need to.. not have
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09:47<themill>lordblaa: can you specifically tell us which one. I'm curious.
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09:51<themill>lordblaa: that bug is still in the latest apache2.2 release anyway according to that link you just pasted
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09:56<lordblaa>themill oh ok thanks, you couldn't tell me where you spotted that could you so i can paste it to the person asking me to find out?
09:57<themill>lordblaa: Status: REOPENED (also look at last few comments. They have a backported patch from the 2.3 series but not yet accepted it, it would seem)
09:57<dataangel>hous does aptitude decidw which packages it is going to remove, it keeps asking me to remove a bunch of gtk stuff, as i am running iceweasel etc, that makes me nervous, any thoughts, btw i killed gnome, i hate gnome, i have started with etch, upgraded to lenny and removed gnome?
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09:58<lordblaa>right. Thanks themill :)
09:58<themill>lordblaa: no worries
09:58<themill>dataangel: /msg dpkg autoremove
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10:14<RoboShim>Hi all. Anyone can me give a hint, what I do incorrect with preseed instalation? I have already PXE boot+tftp and manual netboot installation works fine. After netboot comes debian installer and I can install (I have setup for etch and lenny). Now, I would like to start preseed installation - I would like to start completely automatic installation. I have copied the example file from debian manual (Appendix B-Automating the installation using preseeding)
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10:14<RoboShim>I have added preseed options to my default netinstall config and it looks now "append vga=normal initrd=installer-debian-lenny/i386/initrd.gz preseed/url= auto interface=eth0 preseed/interactive=false"
10:15<RoboShim>but debian installer does not download this preseed file.
10:15<sigius>Hi, I feel a bit lazy today: What the easiest to install and configure mailserver
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10:16<RoboShim>sigius: aptitude postfix?
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10:17<RoboShim>any idea about preseed instalation?
10:17<themill>sigius: what do you want the mail server to actually do?
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10:19<MrJoey>Is there a special archive of old Debian spins? I'm looking for Debian Sarge (3.1) for PowerPC, and I have yet to find it. Some have it for i386, and one even had the source DVDs
10:19<MrJoey>That is, some mirrors
10:19<sigius>themill, just receive mail and hold them for the client to download. not much more then a smtp daemon
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10:19<MrJoey>I've been mirror hunting, and practically 99% of the mirrors have deleted old versions.
10:19<themill>sigius: exim or postfix will both do that quite happily. exim is the default mailer in debian; you probably already have it installed.
10:20<themill>MrJoey: perhaps?
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10:22<MrJoey>themill> Heh, it was right under my nose. Thanks!
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10:23<sigius>themill: I do indeed, exim4 is installed. But one more requirement comes to mind: spam filtering. does either exim or postfix have an easy to install plugin for this ?
10:23<sigius>or native support even
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10:23<themill>sigius: spamassassin can be easily attached to either of them.
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10:25<sigius>spamassassin, is that free ? (as in free beer)
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10:26<sigius>themill, RoboShim , thanks, I'll go and check these pointers out.
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10:32<Jinx>i ran into some problems doing some software upgrades
10:32<Jinx>X cant load my nvidia module anymore it seems
10:32<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
10:33<Jinx>thanks :)
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10:36<Jinx>!nvidia one-liner
10:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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10:39<Jinx>hmm might be cause i booted 2.4 instead of 2.6 :)
10:40<padski>Jinx, 2.4 ?!
10:40<Jinx>old sarge was still on there
10:40<Jinx>with the automated reboot it went for 2.4 instead of 2.6
10:41<Jinx>maybe i should get it out of grub for sanity sake :p
10:41<Jinx>hmm, still an error. screens found but no usable config. time for some cfg digging :(
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10:42<Jinx>aha, oneliner is working now :)
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10:43<dpkg>preseed is probably a method of doing a remote network installation, or, or
10:43<dpkg>i heard qotd146 is <penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off
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10:52<jhava>Hello all, I'm new to IRC, I apologize if not using proper ettiquette, I need help with Debian etch server...
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10:52<jhava>Regarding problem after SSL update
10:53<Zathraz>welcome, what is the issue?
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10:53<themill>jhava: just ask!
10:53<jhava>Hello Zathraz, when I did the upgrade, some packages begun to not authenticate (including SAMBA)
10:53<jhava>after reboot, not even login appeared
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10:54<jhava>some servers do come up..
10:54<jhava>SAMBA, apache
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10:54<jhava>others like webmin, and DHCPD dont
10:54<jhava>SSH comes up, asks for login, but never for password
10:55<jhava>new keys has been generated ok, but server is not accesible unless it is booted in single user mode..
10:55<jhava>any hints ?
10:55<Zathraz>wierd. Should not happen. Was you upgrade (upgrade from what/where?) interrupted?
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10:56<jhava>I did it from the X console as I did in other servers with no problem
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10:56<Zathraz>no diskerrors or other possible corruptions?
10:56<jhava>It did stop with SLAPD and I had to reboot
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10:56<jhava>I ran apt-get install and slapd reconfigured OK
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10:57<jhava>No errors that I am aware off, also, when I checked in single user mode the /var/log/messages syslog , kernel and error files, no relevant error messages appeared
10:58<Zathraz>maybe there is something in the logs? Also you can run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade again to see if there were packages not fully installed/configured yet
10:58<Zathraz>also: do not do those things in X: console is much more verbose
10:58<jhava>other error is that although variables are ok, now it does not authenticate with proxy to for instance do and apt-get update again
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10:59<krisje8>Hi all
10:59<krisje8>I was here yesterday evening too
10:59<krisje8>you probably don' remmeber me
10:59<Zathraz>cozy ;-)
10:59<jhava>It did ok before the upgrade using export HTTP://user:pass@server:3128
10:59<jhava>now I get error 407 proxy auth error
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11:00<jhava>and the user and password works ok from another server
11:00<Zathraz>jhava, either proxy is not running (properly) or your entire authing system has gone fubar
11:00<jhava>I was thinking something is wrong in the auth in that system
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11:00<jhava>four other servers run fine
11:01<Zathraz>would not be too surpised about that considering the other issues you describe
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11:01<Zathraz>as you are running slapd, you use a directory server?
11:01<jhava>where can I look for auth errors if not in standard log files ?
11:02<jhava>Yes, I run slapd with gosa to admin users and shares for SAMBA
11:02<krisje8>well, I have the following problem: I have the newest version of Xorg and it tries to determine my resolution automatically, but it sets my resolution at 800x600 while my screen is made for 1024x768
11:02<Zathraz>If you want to debug SSH you can start a session with -vvvv to let it be very verbose
11:02<kop>jhava : IIRC the /etc/openldap/slapd.conf file says where logging happens.
11:02<jhava>but ssamba users gets authenticated ok in samba, not in ssh
11:02<jpds>Zathraz: according to "man ssh", only three -v's can be specified
11:02<jhava>I'try dat
11:03<Zathraz>jpds, I thought the more v's the more verbose uptill 5x v. But you can be right. Also to much info can also be a pain in the *ss
11:03<krisje8>I tried the following to resolve the problem: editing xorg.conf (doesn't work as the new xorg almost ignres everything), setting kernel parameters (works for non-x only) and adding a mode with xrandr and selecting it
11:04<krisje8>none of these solutions work
11:04<krisje8>it is stuck at 800x600 (and below)
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11:04<jhava>thank you Zathraz, jpds, Iĺl check with verbose ssh and get back if no results
11:05<jpds>Zathraz: yeah, I only use one -v most of the time :)
11:05<krisje8>does anyone know anything else that might work to get the resolution at 1024x768?
11:06<cahoot>disable ddc?
11:06<Zathraz>manually config xorg? xrandr? use other autodetect mechanism?
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11:06<krisje8>manually con fiugring doesn't help, xorg ignores it
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11:06<krisje8>xrandr won't set it above 800x600
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11:07<krisje8>and autodetect detects it wrong
11:07<cahoot>tried disable ddc?
11:07<krisje8>what's that?
11:07<krisje8>(note: it's an old 300mhz laptop)
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11:08<Zathraz>krisje8, xorg.conf is the basic config file. xorg will not ignore it. But wou will have to restart X in order to see effect
11:08<Zathraz>it is not that long ago that autodetect did not exist......
11:09<krisje8>I know, normally I'd edit the xorg conf too
11:09<krisje8>but thios time it didn't ahd any resolutions at all
11:09<krisje8>and I followed some instructions at a forum
11:09<krisje8>inserting a mdoline
11:09<krisje8>and selecting that as my screen resolution
11:09<krisje8>but it won't work
11:09<krisje8>no difference at all
11:09<Zathraz>checked the xorg log ?
11:10<Zathraz>sorry, but I have to go
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11:13<krisje8>cahoot: I'll try it now, where do I put it in the xorg.conf?
11:13<krisje8>Option "DDC" "false"
11:13<krisje8>I need this, right?
11:13<cahoot>could at least try it
11:14<krisje8>which part of the xorg.conf do I put it in?
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11:15<krisje8>device, monitor, screen?
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11:16<cahoot>I'd try Device
11:19<krisje8>ok, edited it, I'll refresh now
11:20<alain>Hi, I installed Lenny (by the netinst) and each time when I do a dist-upgrade (with apt-get or aptitude) it try to install the kernel version I already have, so I have an explicit error who tell me to reboot as early as possible, so it's what I did but when it reboot the kernel takes a long time to load and finaly it show me an error which means I can't access to the tty so it redirect me to a very basic shell.
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11:21<krisje8>cahoot: no difference...
11:21<alain>The problem seem to be know but resolved on others computer by a simply reboot
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11:24<krisje8>any other ideas?
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11:25<cahoot>Option "UseEDID" "FALSE" might be worth a try
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11:28<krisje8>cahoot: also in device section?
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11:30<krisje8>nope :(
11:31<alain>Do somebody know how to fix my problem ?
11:31<cahoot>Xorg.0.log gives no clue?
11:32<krisje8>cahoot: I could pastebin it? the only thing that I noticed is that it thinks I don't have enough memory for 1024x768, which is half true: for 32bit I don't but for 15bit I have
11:32<krisje8>and I'm certain about the 15bit part
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11:34<cahoot>krisje8: I doubt I'd have anymore useful idea
11:35<krisje8>too bad :(
11:35<krisje8>I spend 3 hours on this yesterday
11:35<krisje8>even more I think
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11:35<krisje8>and it's all because that damn Xorg decided not to listen to configurations
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11:36<cahoot>explicitly declaring the mem size is no help?
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11:37<krisje8>cahoot: tried that earlier, with 2 other things, but the xorg found that the config was invalid and woud error fatal
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11:37<krisje8>maybe I could try doing just that, do you know how and where? I don;t remember anymor
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11:43<cahoot> VideoRam mem - in Device I guess
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11:46<cahoot>man xorg.conf | grep -i videoram -A 5 -B 3
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11:57<krisje8>nope, doesn't work either :(
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12:00<Ross_K>Hey, does anyone know how to configure nautilus to not open each directory in a new window?
12:00<padski>Ross_K, is it possible ?
12:01<fxiny>it is
12:01<Ross_K>Well, it's in Fedora and Ubuntu, so I would think so...
12:01<padski>ok, at one time they were saying they wouldn't do that
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12:01<Ross_K>Oh, how did I miss that
12:01<padski>(or, rather, would stop)
12:01<Ross_K>It's in preferences
12:02<fxiny>that's how i set it up , canìt boot into gnome atm
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12:04<padski>ominous phrase of the day: "to ensure the information system is operating securely before interoperability is allowed."
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12:17<Mexx>hi i need help with ubuntu
12:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:17<fxiny>wrong building :P
12:17<noflash>Mexx, #ubuntu
12:17<Mexx>sry but i have debian
12:17<noflash>12:18 < Mexx> hi i need help with ubuntu
12:18<Mexx>"ubuntu" is the name of my penis
12:18<noflash>bet it's real small too
12:18<fxiny>best joke of the year
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12:19<Mexx>my penis is not small my penis is big
12:19<PetaWindows>Mexx: aha... good info
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12:20<@weasel>nice try.
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12:21<weasel>and I wonder if you folks will ever fix your clients.
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12:21<fxiny>hahaha same nicks ;)
12:23<lucas_amorim>hello! I have a debian lenny installation on a sata disk labeled as sda1, grub recognized it as hd1,0. But, yesterday I installed, in a ata disk, opensolaris, which also uses grub boot loader. The problem is: Now my system does not boot from the sata disk (lenny disk) anymore, and solaris` does not show the debian lenny entry. If I set up hard disk boot priority, in bios, to the sata disk (in which there is a grub intallation from the lenny install)
12:23<lucas_amorim>it does not boot, it just freezes before getting to grub.
12:24<lucas_amorim>The question is? how do I recover grub to the sata disk where lenny is installed?
12:25<lucas_amorim>I am now using a kubuntu live CD to do this. I have tryed sudo grub, then root (hd1,0) (this step works), and then setup (hd1) and this last step does not work, it says it has no grub installation... I am gonna paste it in pastebin
12:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:29<lucas_amorim>there it is!
12:31<lucas_amorim>as you can see, it tells me there is no stage1 an stage2 file in the /boot/grub dirtectory, but in fact there is I am just looking at it in the terminal
12:31<fxiny>hd1 ?
12:32<lucas_amorim>fxiny: is that wrong?
12:33<fxiny>dunno : you should know if is in hd1
12:33<lucas_amorim>I also tryied hd1,0
12:33<lucas_amorim>same result
12:33<lucas_amorim>it is because I can see my old menu.lst
12:34<lucas_amorim>there it says hd1,0 for the root
12:34<cahoot>hd1 being another disk now?
12:35<lucas_amorim>hd1 would be /dev/sda1, the sata disk where lenny is installed
12:35<cahoot>seems like grub disagrees
12:35<lucas_amorim>I am gonna paste teh output of fdisk -l
12:36<lucas_amorim>there it is
12:37<lucas_amorim>I am gonna paste my menu.lst which is in the /dev/sda1 disk
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12:37<cahoot>why isn't sda hd0?
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12:38<fxiny>it can't load from the second drive , need chainloading
12:39<lucas_amorim>I dont know
12:39<cahoot> say sda is hd1?
12:39<lucas_amorim>fxiny: did you see my menu.lst?
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12:39<lucas_amorim>cahoot: how do i see it?
12:40<cahoot> /bot/grub/
12:40<fxiny>yes hd1 is not the forst drive , did you swap it with solaris hd ?
12:41<lucas_amorim>fxiny: swap? what do you mean? change cables? I did not even open te case
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12:41<CSpaceMatrix>hey folks. i'm back with that stupid sound problem on my hp tx1000. i reinstalled my etch and added the "options snd_hda_intel model=3stack" to /etc/modprob.d/local
12:42<CSpaceMatrix>but now there is no sound while everything looks normal
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12:43<lucas_amorim>root@ubuntu:/media/lin/boot/grub# more
12:43<lucas_amorim>(hd0) /dev/hda
12:43<lucas_amorim>(hd1) /dev/sda
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12:43<cahoot>I'd guess the alsaversion provided by the kernel is too old
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12:43<weasel>lucas_amorim: if you are using ubuntu you are wrong here.
12:43<weasel>lucas_amorim: go to #ubuntu on
12:43<lucas_amorim>did you see it?
12:43<lucas_amorim>what? ubuntu???
12:43<fxiny>he's a long time debian user
12:44<weasel>that's why his box is called ubuntu?
12:44<CSpaceMatrix>i tried building a new from alsa-source but kernel crashed upon loadin
12:44<fxiny>uby ? wt4x !
12:44<lucas_amorim>I am using ubuntu live cd to recover my lenny install read above before saying such....
12:45<weasel>ubuntu live wouldn't be quite my first choice as a rescue system...
12:45<lucas_amorim>cahoot, fxiny: so, what do you think? want any more information
12:45<weasel>ah. are you the solaris guy?
12:45<weasel>ah yes, you are.
12:45<lucas_amorim>weasel: thats what I have in hands
12:45<weasel>why not have the grub that solaris installed also boot debian?
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12:46<lucas_amorim>weasel: I have tryied this... I have copied the debian entries from the sda1 menu.lst to the solaris grub and it did not work
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12:46<weasel>why not?
12:46<lucas_amorim>i dont remeber exactely what it did say
12:46<weasel>and you don't need to copy entries.
12:47<weasel>you can just tell grub what and how to boot stuff during boot.
12:48<weasel>root whatever; kernel whatever; initrd whatever; boot
12:48<fxiny>manual boot , grub cli
12:48<weasel>even does tab completion
12:48<weasel>unless of course the grub that solaris gave you is too stupid to read ext3
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12:49*weasel is wildly guessing that that's what your linux is using
12:49<lucas_amorim>but, If i instert the lenny lines from my old menu.lst to the solaris`s menu.lst that would have to work, would not it
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12:49<weasel>you tell us.
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12:50<lucas_amorim>it didnt lol
12:50<lucas_amorim>someone pointed that I need chailoading?
12:51<lucas_amorim>would this help? adding +1 chainloader to the end of the entry?
12:51<fxiny>lucas_amorim: google for "grub manual boot" . use as weasel suggested grub-solaris tab completion , it would be nice if you tell me if opensolaris grub can read ext3
12:52<lucas_amorim>fxiny: how would i know it:
12:52<fxiny>so i will definetly erase opensolaris from my mind :P
12:53<lucas_amorim>what about the option +1 chainloader, will it help
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12:54<lucas_amorim>actually. I would like to recover my old grub
12:54<lucas_amorim>because everytime I change the kernel It also updates my menu.lst
12:55<lucas_amorim>so, I don`t want to have the harsle to do this to the solaris grub
12:55<padski>See kernel-img.conf(5) for options
12:55<CSpaceMatrix>so anyone have any idea about my issue?!!
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12:55<lucas_amorim>I don`t understand why cant I recover my old grub the way I have tried
12:55<fxiny>lucas_amorim: can you load a floppy ? install grub on it and learn how to use grub cli to manual boot
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12:56<fxiny>no need for a live cd
12:56<lucas_amorim>fxiny? dont have a floppy drive
12:56<fxiny>sign of the times ;)
12:56<lucas_amorim>but I downloaded the supergrub disk (or something) and burned it to a cd
12:57<lucas_amorim>I even told it to recover my grub. It gave me the same output I had ( first paste)
12:58<lucas_amorim>this is giving me a headache I have to get back to my old grub
12:58<fxiny>lucas_amorim: there is a nice debian rescue cd , can't f* remember the name
12:58<lucas_amorim>will the lenny netinst cd work
12:59<lucas_amorim>? it has a recue mode option if we press F4 before boot\
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12:59<fxiny>i even cheched it in qewmu , damn !
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13:00<lucas_amorim>what ?
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13:00<fxiny>lemme check
13:01<dpkg>[rescue] at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
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13:02<fxiny>lucas_amorim: or old
13:02<diego>hi there, I have two monitors and 2 videocards ... 1 is nvidia and the other an ati radeon 128
13:02<diego>I can make both monitors work but one is wrong
13:02<diego>it seems the ati its fucking up the nvidia somehow
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13:03<diego>I had an error about DRI support and tried to disable GLX and DRI but still
13:03<diego>the monitor with nvidia is all fucked up if ATI is running
13:03<diego>any idea why that can be happening ?
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13:04<lucas_amorim>fxiny: dont you think that it will work the same way as the live CD I am already using?
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13:06<fxiny>lucas_amorim: those are specific tools , much better then a supergrub cd , no idea about what yoiu are using , i'm not into ubu
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13:07<lucas_amorim>I am using the grub command
13:07<fxiny>my favourite is gentoo based sysrescuecd , but grml turned from knoppix to debian , so why not checking it ?
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13:08<fxiny>and it uses fluxbox :)
13:08<lucas_amorim>fxiny: I think my problem is here: Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
13:08<fxiny>lucas_amorim: grub cli tab tab and voila'
13:08<lucas_amorim>but does exist
13:09<lucas_amorim>grub cli?
13:09<fxiny>unless dumbass opensolstice can't read ext3 :P
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13:10<fxiny>i'm still upset with a sun manager who called red hat a "packaging company"
13:11<fxiny>so i will love to hear open can't read ext3 :P
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13:11<weasel>is that better than a hardware company?
13:11<weasel>or an amd reseller?
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13:11<maxb>lucas_amorim: You need to know that the (hdN) assignments can vary depending on how you boot.
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13:12<maxb>For example, on my machine, if I boot off the first hard disc, grub labels my discs (hd0), (hd1)
13:12<fxiny>weasel: red hat/fetora is not a packaging company : hackers like Alan Cox deseve more respect
13:13<maxb>But if I change the boot order around, the mapping changes - my first disc becomes (hd1) and the second becomes known as *both* (hd0) and (hd2) !
13:13<padski>fxiny, fedora ?
13:13<fxiny>padski: fetora :P
13:13<maxb>I think it's largely up the weirdness of the bios
13:13<lucas_amorim>maxb: really?
13:13<lucas_amorim>that will make the confusion bigger lol
13:14<lucas_amorim>I am downloading the CD, be back later!
13:14<maxb>A valuable tool is to boot into grub and use the grub shell "find" command
13:14<lucas_amorim>thank you all
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13:14<dobian>hello ;p
13:14<lucas_amorim>maxb? thanks
13:14<maxb>For example "find /boot/grub/menu.lst" will tell you on which drive ids grub can find a file of that name
13:14<weasel>fxiny: the fact that they also hire hackers doesn't change the fact tho :)
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13:15<fxiny>weasel: true , i am the first to wind red hat up , but i am not a sun manager : does sun release sources like red hat ?
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13:16<maxb>lucas_amorim: And this, then, is the purpose of the device map file - to tell a grub shell running under an already booted OS what the actual environment at boot time will look like
13:16<maxb>Because they can be quite different
13:16<weasel>fxiny: opensolaris rings a bell?
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13:17<fxiny>weasel: yes , cause wel all love Ian anyway , is a part of the history we like best
13:17<weasel>fxiny: ever heard of java becomeing free software?
13:17<weasel>or openoffice?
13:17<weasel>RH is a packaging company and Sun is an amd reseller. and they both do free software
13:17<fxiny>weasel: yes , i heard
13:17<weasel>no big deal
13:18<fxiny>i don't like java
13:18<weasel>who does
13:18<maxb>I do
13:18<maxb>(Within limits)
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13:24<dobian>totem player lol
13:25<dobian>full codec :)))
13:25<kop>I'm looking for a small LCD display, with either an enclosure or one that mounts in a case slot, either serial or USB. (I'm thinking serial.) Where would I look to find one that's supported? (Come to think of it serial's probably a no-brainer) Anybody have any hardware recommendations?
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13:29<ranix>kop: ELO touch
13:29<ranix>kop: they provide good support and native linux drivers
13:29<ranix>I think you can get them from Tyco direct
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13:30<ranix>they're obnoxious sometimes, but we order en masse so that could just be the sheer volume
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13:31<haxi>is there anyway to LD_PRELOAD two binaries?
13:31<EnriqueI>i've always wondered how hard it would be to build your own phone with a built in GSM modem, etc with linux and stuff
13:32<weasel>GSM isn't exactly an open standard, is it?
13:32<kop>ranix: Thanks! I've been googling but I don't think I've the right keywords.
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13:32<ranix>environment variable LD_PRELOAD can have multiple dynamic librariess
13:32<EnriqueI>I'm not sure... but there are linux drivers for some GSM modems
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13:33<haxi>"A whitespace-separated list of additional, "
13:33<haxi>what is that? ^^
13:34<weasel>haxi: source?
13:34<ranix>be careful with LD_PRELOAD, there are security risks
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13:34<haxi>ranix: yeah, thanks.
13:35<ranix>using it to override getenv() is one of the funniest things I've seen
13:35*weasel used it to override getpid()
13:35<weasel>recently too
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13:35<EnriqueI>i mean it would be pretty sweet to have a diy linux phone
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13:36<ranix>EnriqueI: I considered doing something like that but cost was prohibitive
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13:36<ranix>EnriqueI: mostly with input
13:36<darsie>Hi! I have a hung USB flash card reader and some deferred processes. How can I reset that? Do I have to reboot?
13:36<EnriqueI>Ranix: how much did you come up with?
13:36<EnriqueI>Ranix: couldn't have cost more than a new smart phone???
13:36<darsie>Can't umount it. Busy.
13:37<ranix>EnriqueI: I was looking at the boards on
13:37<EnriqueI>darsie: try umount -f
13:37<ranix>EnriqueI: my final build wound up being slightly too large to be feasable and I could not come up with a good input device
13:37<EnriqueI>ranix: thanks
13:37<ranix>EnriqueI: price was ~200-300
13:38<darsie>EnriqueI: nope
13:38<ranix>I was inside budget when I gave up
13:38<darsie>still busy
13:38<EnriqueI>darsie: you tried umount -f /path/to/mountpoint
13:38<EnriqueI>as root?
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13:38<darsie>EnriqueI: yes
13:38<ranix>we're very due some breakthroughs in human-computer interfacing
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13:39<darsie>EnriqueI: It's in fstab
13:39<EnriqueI>Ranix: yeah we are... t-mobile is supposed to come out with some really nice PDAs this fall
13:39<ranix>I would like to see chorded keyboards take off, or anything more useful on tiny screens than multitouch
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13:39<ranix>I am tired of touch screens, they're not really useful
13:40<ranix>microsoft is going to dig themselves a big fat deep hole with multitouch
13:40<ranix>thus I predict
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13:40<EnriqueI>imagine being able to have a full size keyboard from a phone the size of a business card
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13:41<ranix>EnriqueI: saw that, considered it, and discarded. No tactile feedback, and you can't use it on the walk
13:41*darsie reboots ...
13:41<EnriqueI>Darsie: sorry I couldn-t help ya
13:41<darsie>thx anyways
13:41<EnriqueI>ranix: true, but I'm thinking more on like a flight
13:41<EnriqueI>or in the office
13:41<ranix>EnriqueI: I bought a Playstation 2 keyboard that mounts on the ps2 controller
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13:41<ranix>EnriqueI: USB. connected it right to the ts7250 board
13:42<EnriqueI>I like the idea of the OQO and such, where its a mini-laptop that can be used as a phone, but can still be docked and use a monitor, fullsized keyboard, and mouse
13:42<EnriqueI>they are not super expensive either... the base starts at like 7 or 800
13:43<fxiny>no need for a full size keyboard : a psion series 5 keyboard would be perfect
13:43<EnriqueI>i personally like full size keyboards.... used to them I guess. :)
13:44<fxiny>i own a psion5 . perfect keyboard . touchscreen s* as all touchscreen are
13:44<dobian>you have big finger lol
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13:46<fxiny>nahh i eat nutella (spread) all day :P
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13:47<ranix>EnriqueI: the thing I was going for was more of a PDA-style device that you can use on the fly
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13:47<ranix>EnriqueI: with a cellular modem and an input device that could be used standing
13:47<EnriqueI>Ranix: Yeah, the OQO is kinda like that, but may be a little too big for you
13:48<ranix>EnriqueI: I think the only good way to do that on the fly is with a chorded keyboard
13:48<EnriqueI>i guess you could use a BT keyboard... but I have not had great success with those
13:48<ranix>yeah that has the same problem as the laser keyboard you linked
13:48<ranix>gotta sit down to use it
13:49<dondelelcaro>it's a pity that no one makes a really good chorded bt keyboard
13:49<ranix>dondelelcaro: nobody makes a really good chorded keyboard at all
13:49<alain>Hi, I installed Lenny (by the netinst) and each time I do a dist-upgrade (with apt-get or aptitude) it try to install the kernel version I already have, then I have an error who tell me to reboot as early as possible, so it's what I did but when it reboot the kernel takes a long time to load and finaly it show me an error which means I can't access to the tty and it redirect me to a very basic shell.
13:49<ranix>googling will bring you to a bunch of DIY hacks
13:50<dondelelcaro>ranix: well, bat is probably the closest thing, but the septambic keyers are pretty much the most common and useful
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13:51<ranix>dondelelcaro: looked at a bunch, the only commercially manufactured one I found is the Twiddler 2, and it's $200
13:51<ranix>way off the price mark for a mobile device
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13:52<dondelelcaro>ranix: actually, last time I checked you couldn't even buy them
13:53<ranix>I'm not entirely incapable of building something, but I don't think I really need to spend my time on tactile input devices
13:53<ranix>does not seem very efficient
13:54<fxiny>what about functions like some financial calculators ?
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13:55<ranix>fxiny: those get pretty nifty but they're not full featured enough for diving into a terminal
13:56<ranix>I guess the nokia n810 style keyboard seems to be the best so far
13:57<sigius>hi, I just configured exim MTA and am able to receive mails directed to and read these back with 'mail'. What is not clear to me (even after browsing through the documentation) is how to create a mailaccount on my domain. Is that something thats done in exim ? Or should i create a mailbox outside of exim ?
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13:57<fxiny>ranix: nokia ? nokia grabbed psion soft but forgot the keyboard , have you ever seen the serie5 keyboard ?
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13:58<petemc>sigius: the default config checks local users, so adduser
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13:58<dobian>Let's make the voice recognition keyboard.
13:58<ranix>fxiny: yeah I see it now. That's retty rad
13:58<ranix>fxiny: looks a lot like the NEC mobilepro
13:58<fxiny>ranix: is patented
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13:59<ranix>frigging patents for things like this are setting the world back hundreds of years
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14:00<sigius>petemc, Can I then create aliases somehow for these users ? Say alias 'givenname.surname' for user 'givenname' ?
14:00<petemc>sigius: you could do that in /etc/aliases
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14:01<diego>hello, anyone can help me with a dual monitor problem :)?
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14:01<diego>I have an ATI and an nVidia, when trying to have a dual monitor ... one fucks the other :(
14:02<sigius>great, ill check that now
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14:07<PetaWindows>diego: using which card?
14:07<diego>I have an ati radeon 128
14:07<diego>and one onboard nvidia
14:07<diego>I can get both of them working alone and when they are together
14:08<diego>somehow ati driver interfeers with nvidia making the other monitor to freeze
14:08<PetaWindows>but yo cannot use bot at the same time, right? :S
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14:08<PetaWindows>*you **both :S
14:08<diego>Peta: yes, but one of them is freeze in an incorrect image
14:08<diego>so, no
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14:09<sigius>petemc, worked like a charm, thanks for helping me out there.
14:09<diego>it was having a problem with DRI, I disabled it and same
14:09<PetaWindows>diego: I mean, it is not possible to use 2 graphic card at the same time
14:09<fxiny>PetaWindows: this is what i dream for my lenny :
14:10<PetaWindows>fxiny: jaja
14:10<PetaWindows>fxiny: this is not very complicated...
14:10<diego>Peta :( no
14:10<PetaWindows>fxiny: at this moment I'm using 2 screens
14:11<dobian>great dell user
14:12<dobian>1pc 3monitor? ;)
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14:12<fxiny>PetaWindows: look at layouts , try to imagine ,as i do, iceweasel and emacs on a wide screen automagically managed in A4 size petacolor by a real window manager :)
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14:13<kop>ranix: Can't seem to find tyco direct.... But have found the product.
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14:13<sobis>hola a todos
14:13<sobis>como estais ¿?
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14:14<sobis>hay alguien...o estoy hablando solo
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14:15<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to test whether quotas are working?
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14:16<PetaWindows>fxiny: as i said, it's very easy
14:17<fxiny>there is a feature missing in tiling windows managers : the ability to automagically resize the focused frame , say 75% focus on and 25%
14:17<EmleyMoor>(I'm deliberately trying to create a large file on a quota'd filesystem as a user with a quota - that should do it but if there are any better ideas, I would like to hear them)
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14:17<fxiny>PetaWindows: i believe tiling windows manager are the future
14:18<fxiny>a window manager shoul know what a user's doing , and serve the right layout
14:19<PetaWindows>fxiny: what do you mean? Tiling windows managers? :S
14:19<EmleyMoor>All grout and matches?
14:19<fxiny>PetaWindows: xmonad dwm lars awesome wmii ion , many
14:20<PetaWindows>XD wtf
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14:23<Le_Vert>hi :)
14:24<Le_Vert>is there anyone that knows how UMD videos works ?
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14:24<Le_Vert>I got a cso file, which seems to be a video for PSP umds
14:24<Le_Vert>I converted it to iso and then mounted it
14:24<Le_Vert>but I can't find anyway to play that video
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14:25<PetaWindows>fxiny: how many screen are you using at the same time?
14:26<kop>ranix : I give up. I can't navigate their website. (Which, btw, "supports" only IE 6+).
14:27<cahoot>Le_Vert: tried mplayer already?
14:27<Le_Vert>I did
14:27<Le_Vert>in fact I don't understand anything or the iso tree
14:27<Le_Vert>there's tones of files and directories
14:28<Le_Vert>don't know which one I should try to open
14:28<Le_Vert>and google doesn't give me any tip :/
14:28<alain>Do somebody know this problem: ?
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14:29<dobian>i have quession /
14:29<fxiny>PetaWindows: i have two boxes and another one to come , i'm thinjing : 4 cores ? 4G ram ? 2*500G hd ? xen ? two heads ? say i rob a bank and i get this stuff : do you want me to waste my precious time dragging and resizion windows ? what the f* future brings eyecandy ?
14:29<dobian>Is there bpo!!! of lenny?
14:29<EmleyMoor>Backports for lenny? I doubt it... though you could always use the simple sid backport method
14:30<EmleyMoor>sid is the codename for unstable
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14:30<dobian>ya i know
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14:31<EmleyMoor>You can backport stuff from sid into lenny fairly easily as a rule
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14:31<dobian>oh okay thx ;)
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14:32<alain>bye everybody
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14:36<EmleyMoor>It's backporting into stable that's more difficuly
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14:36<dobian>lol dpkg is a bot?
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14:36<EmleyMoor>My system's playing up royally with USB stuff - going to have to reboot again!
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14:37<dobian>he said are you ctack? lol
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14:38<dobian>i try etch > lenny now :p
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14:39<dobian>open-bsd? ;)
14:39<dobian>i have freebsd 7.0 :p
14:42<dobian>ac97 codec error26
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14:44<EmleyMoor>Only way I can see of solving this USB problem is going to need a new motherboard!
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14:44<dobian>me2 ;p
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14:45<dobian>my motherboard >1998
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14:45<EmleyMoor>This one 2006
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14:46<dobian>need bios update
14:46<EmleyMoor>On-board not reliable with scanner - extra better but still not reliable enough
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14:46<PetaWindows>fxiny: WTF XD
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14:47<PetaWindows>fxiny: I asked about the screens
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14:49<EmleyMoor>Quotas work :-)
14:49<dobian>fixny has a 3d monitor :)
14:49<fxiny>PetaWindows: yes , screens one at the time now : old hardware . new hardware wants me to plan carefully . i'd love to fit everything in one single box + heads but i do not want such desktops like gnome or kde
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14:50<fxiny>cause i am no slave of a damned mouse
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14:51<PetaWindows>fxiny: so... what desktop environment do you want?
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14:52<tomi>how to connect in mc with other host using other login?
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14:53<fxiny>PetaWindows: xmonad looks promising , awesome shows many layouts . wmii is very easy , ion is ok . it depends about the hardware : xmonad does xinerama
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14:54<tomi>somebody know that?
14:55<PetaWindows>fxiny: I have never heard about them.....
14:55<EmleyMoor>tomi: Can you ask in plainer English?
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14:56<tomi>i use mc and i want to connect to other computer by shell but using other login than i have in my system
14:57<EmleyMoor>Do you mean ssh?
14:57<fxiny>PetaWindows: i can tile horizontally iceweasel and emacs to paste . small scren , if i get a wide scren i can tile vert in A4 size , so the future brings cheaper screens and we can enjoy at least terminal , browsers and editors opened at the same time . a tiling window manager is the future
14:57<EmleyMoor>If so, ssh -l username machinename
14:58<PetaWindows>fxiny: I have no fakin idea what a tiling windows manager is xD
14:59<PetaWindows>fxiny: xmonad is a tiling windows manager?
14:59<dobian>tomi: mc=mac?
14:59<PetaWindows>dobian: MC=master of ceremony. He is a rapper
15:00<fxiny>PetaWindows: yes xmonad is a tiling window manager . someone in chan told me abou dwm , i've checked the all lot since then ,
15:00<tomi>mc = Midnight Commander
15:00<fxiny>mc is midnight commander
15:00<dobian>tomi: i see lol
15:01<fxiny>PetaWindows: if you want to try go for wmii first : is the easyest
15:02<PetaWindows>fxiny: with a tiling windows manager, the windows do not overlap each other?
15:02<fxiny>PetaWindows: exactly , and they use all space
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15:03<PetaWindows>fxiny: nice... and how do you decide what window is bigger?
15:03<fxiny>PetaWindows: awesome is the best to show all layouts
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15:04<PetaWindows>fxiny: if I'm using two screens at the same time, the windows will appear in both screens? :O
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15:04<fxiny>PetaWindows: running lenny ?
15:05<tomi>anyone can help me?
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15:07<PetaWindows>fxiny: yes
15:07<fxiny>PetaWindows: so go for xmonad
15:07<fxiny>PetaWindows: check wmii first
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15:08<PetaWindows>why xmonad and not 'awesome' or Ion?
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15:09<fxiny>PetaWindows: because xmonad does xinerama , but there is nothing wrong on checking all of them .
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15:09<tomi> i use mc and i want to connect to other computer by shell but using other login than i have in my system (mc =Midnight Commander )
15:09<weasel>how do you connect to another computer anyway?
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15:10<PetaWindows>fxiny: ok
15:10<weasel>tomi: well. duh. how about you press F1 like the help suggests and read that?
15:10<tomi>by option i mc connect via shell or something like this
15:11<tomi>when i press F1 i see gnome help
15:11<dobian>file manager....
15:11<PetaWindows>fxiny: but if you open a lot of windows, then all of them will be extremely small.... :S
15:11<weasel>tomi: your gnome sucks
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15:12<weasel>tomi: /#sh:[user@]machine[:options]/[remote-dir] is the format the mc help suggests
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15:12<tomi>ok thaks
15:12<dobian>to do you know this site?
15:12<weasel>so cd /#sh:user@host
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15:13<fxiny>PetaWindows: you don't actually need many windows . with three upou can be very efficient .
15:14<fxiny>PetaWindows: using the keyboard to switch windows is very relaxing too
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15:14<PetaWindows>fxiny: with alt+tab?
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15:15<fxiny>PetaWindows: mod + N
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15:15<fxiny>PetaWindows: mod + djmk and so on . like vim/emacs
15:17<fxiny>PetaWindows: no virtual desktops but tags : you tag a window and group 'em . the docs are really worth reading , very clever stuff
15:17<PetaWindows>fxiny: what keys are these? :|
15:17<fxiny>PetaWindows: are you a vim/emacs user ?
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15:18<PetaWindows>fxiny: see you later.. Bye!
15:18<fxiny>PetaWindows: join the cult :)
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15:18<PetaWindows>fxiny: nano is the best editor ^^
15:18<PetaWindows>fxiny: see you later.. Bye!
15:18<fxiny>see you
15:19<bbcdd>hello all! just installed xfce4 and i want to get rid of all gnome stuff (xcept gdm), any tips? is it too much to go through synaptic and read EVERY package and custom decide which I want to keep/throw? any good sites for a starter on this?
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15:28<googlah>bbcdd: try, apt-get remove --purge gnome-desktop-environment gnome-desktop-data
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15:28<googlah>Just a guess, but guess it should be working out ok.
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15:40<bbcdd>googlah; thank you, god amongst men
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15:44<googlah>:) did it work out for you?
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15:44<bbcdd>Helped me get about 16mb off my system, and opened up about 60 libs and packages that deborphan found after they were gone; overall the cleanup I was looking for
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15:49<Cheads>uhm I've updated with the openssl patch, now I cannot connect to ssh anymore. the /etc/log/auth.log say error host key xxx blacklisted. ssh-vulnkey say my /etc/ssh/ and /etc/ssh/ are compromised... then I delete those files and generate new keys with ssh-keygen and ssh-keygen -t dsa and point to the same files I just deleted. .. then I try to login and I can see it's a new key but I'm still told i
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15:52<bigjocker>Cheads, remove the /etc/ssh/ssh_host* keys
15:52<bigjocker>Cheads, dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
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15:56<Cheads>then I'm told "host key xxx blacklisted" "host key xxx blacklisted" restarting openbsd secure shell server sshdhost key xxx blacklsited .... host key xxx blacklisted
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15:57<weasel>Cheads: what version is your libssl0.9.8
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15:59<Cheads>uhmm how do I see that?
16:00<ansgar>Cheads: dpkg -l libssl0.9.8
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16:02<Cheads>0.9.8e-5 according to aptitude
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16:03<ansgar>Cheads: I think you need at leat 0.9.8g-9
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16:05<Cheads>using stable .. nothing to upgrade with apt-get ... odd
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16:06<ansgar>Strange. Stable has -4etch1, and -4etch3 in proposed-updates. Where did you get -5 from?
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16:07<jedi1>does anyone know if udev stores logs and if so where?
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16:09<ansgar>Cheads: Maybe you can downgrade to the stable version?
16:09<Cheads>ansgar rather hard to copy paste here without any connection to the server .. but
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16:11<Cheads>sources.list is with deb stable main non-free contrib deb stable/updates main contrib non-free
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16:18<Cheads>so I assume I do use stable...
16:19<weasel>Cheads: 0.9.8e-5 is not the version in stable.
16:19<weasel>the version in stable is 0.9.8c-4etch3
16:20<weasel>so you fucked up your system at one point by installing testing or unstable sources
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16:26<Cheads>hmm really dont remember using another setup for sources.list .. so how do progress from here?
16:27<weasel>try and see if you can downgrade to the libssl from stable security
16:27<weasel>!list repositories
16:27<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>
16:27<weasel>check that script to see what is not from stable
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16:37<Cheads>libssl0.9.8 is from /var/lib/dpkg/status
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16:41<Cheads>according to apt-listrepository
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16:46<Cheads>weasel seems like I'm missing something in my sources.list ?
16:46<weasel>Cheads: what else has /var/lib/dpkg/status as its source?
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16:47<weasel>Cheads: well, it means that wherever you got that from, it no longer is in your source list. or the source no longer has it
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16:50<Cheads>a lot has /var/lib/dpkg/status
16:50<Cheads>rest stable main non-free contrib deb stable/updates main contrib non-free
16:51<weasel>then those things are not from stable.
16:51<weasel>I bet you used testing for a while?
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16:56<Cheads>weasel well.. I can't say for sure.. but certainly didn't do it on purpose.. but what should I do now to get it working?
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16:57*DGZ idle
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16:57<weasel>Cheads: since it's many things you might try to upgrade to lenny
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16:57<digitaloktay>how can i show my screenresolution on bash?
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16:58<Cheads>so, replace stable with lenny ?
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17:00<dr>hi all!
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17:01<weasel>Cheads: yup, tho be aware that lenny is not released yet. there may be bugs and stuff
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17:03<dark_>what ups
17:03<dr>tell me please what shoud I do if I get the following message: could't stat source package list etch/main Package (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 no such file or directory)))
17:06<dr>it appears when I run uptitude undate
17:06<weasel>apt-get update
17:06<ansgar>dr: Did you run apt-get update?
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17:07<dr>I get errors err etch/main Packages
17:07<weasel>does it say more?
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17:08<dark_>use to paste your error output
17:08<dr>I get errors err etch/main Packages 404 not found [IP 80]
17:08<weasel>show us your sources list entry
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17:09<dr>deb etch main contrib nin-free
17:10<enouf> Rubitza was ~Rubi@ (Rubi)
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17:10<weasel>dr: etch/updates not just etch
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17:10<dr>deb etch main contrib non-free
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17:10<dr>deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
17:10<dr>it's all
17:11<enouf>i can't ping that address (USA)
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17:12<enouf>you sure you have no http_proxy= set? (in say /etc/apt/apt.conf)
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17:12<dr>oh sorry deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
17:12<weasel>dr: Mon 23:10:07 <weasel> dr: etch/updates not just etch
17:12<weasel>dr: fix your security line.
17:13<dr>weasel: ok thanks!
17:13<enouf>ahh, duh
17:14<enouf>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free .. weasel ; are the contrib and non-free used at all there? i mean if one also has those repos listed in the non-security lines
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17:15<weasel>now apt-get update
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17:19<microblip>Hi everyone. Please could someone advise me how to get some help with Knoppix on chat. Thanks
17:19<dr>ok I get it all. and then I run aptitude install xorg kde kdm. and what's next? what should i do to install xorg?
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17:20<eichin>xdpyinfo | awk '/resolution:/ { print $2 }'
17:20<eichin>though you probably really want the dimensions, likewise: xdpyinfo | awk '/dimensions:/ { print $2 }'
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17:26<Cheads>weasel thanks for your help (and everyone else ) )(
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17:27<dr>weasel and others very big thanks!
17:27<weasel>invoice will be sent by email
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17:28<dr>how to add a new user?
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17:42<dr>I start kde but I can't to login... when I login the screen scratched and then I back up to login screen. Why?
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18:04<MrJoey>Is there a fix for this security issue in the Debian repository yet?:
18:04-!-yury [yury@evans-wlan-180-148.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #debian
18:05<MrJoey>(This isn't the SSH random generator issue, this is different)
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18:05<yury>I jsut pulled in the update to compiz for lenny and now my window decorations disappeared.
18:06<amphi>yury: try running the decorator manually
18:06<MrJoey>Maybe you need to install/reinstall emerald
18:06<yury>also seems intel 965 got blacklisted
18:06<yury>I didn't see anything in the changelog about this
18:07<amphi>yury: because xv is broken - just run the binary rather than the wrapper
18:07<yury>but I think I'll report this as a bug
18:08<yury>hm... more issues
18:08<amphi>yury: or see
18:08<yury>xv works fine with exa, anyway
18:08<amphi>yury: true, it's only an issue with XAA
18:09<yury>and I usually use x11 since my computer is fast enough
18:09<yury>anyway, my window borders are missing still
18:09<amphi>yury: EXA is perhaps not quite there yet
18:09<amphi>yury: I use it here, but it's still significantly slower than XAA
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18:10<yury>I get x11 rendering 720p just fine
18:10<amphi>yury: if compiz is not running, the decorator won't do anything ;)
18:10<yury>compiz is running
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18:10<amphi>yury: try running the decorator from a term
18:10<yury>yury@orbit:~$ gtk-window-decorator --replace
18:11<yury>and nothing
18:11<yury>it polls for events, looks like mouse events
18:11<amphi>strange - the decoration plugin is enabled?
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18:11<yury>and does nothing
18:11*yury checks
18:11<yury>I didn't disable it
18:12<yury>decoration windows: any
18:13<yury>the decorator is running just fine, it is just not doing anything
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18:13<amphi>yury: I wonder if libdecoration is the wrong version
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18:16<yury>amphi: what version is it supposed to be?
18:16<yury>if this doesn't resolve in the next few minutes, I'm rolling back to a previous version of libcompiz
18:18<yury>looks like I pulled in another X update too
18:18<yury>that's probably at fault
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18:19<amphi>yury: dunno, I build compiz from git here; it works fine with current testing xorg stuff
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18:20<yury>debian seems bent on breaking my box
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18:20<simonrvn>no, just you ;p
18:20<yury>I guess I'll build compiz as well, since this one has missing plugins too
18:20<yury>I said, *my* box
18:21<yury>learn to read
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18:21<simonrvn>i admit to liking compiz, thinking it was just eye candy (mostly is still), but there's some usefulness besides the eye candy.
18:21<yury>ok, I guess I'll rollback X and see what happens
18:21<simonrvn>yury: i was just teasing you, it's ok.
18:21*yury snarls
18:22<yury>this is the second time this is happening
18:22<amphi>simonrvn: a few things I find useful; scale and expo in particular
18:22<yury>they could mention their changes in the... *gasp* changelog
18:22<yury>they switched to EXA without telling anyone
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18:23<simonrvn>i had to switch to exa, my older video card seems to work better that way
18:23<simonrvn>radeon 9k
18:23<amphi>yury: you weren't using EXA deliberately?
18:24<yury>it is slow
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18:24<yury>and XAA was default on the previous version
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18:25<amphi>I read something not long ago about whence the slowness came; IIRC some aspect of font handling was partly to blame
18:25*simonrvn doesn't know the difference
18:25*yury smashes the fonts
18:26<simonrvn>..between xxa and exa. just yet more acronyms..
18:26<yury>apparently some aspect of font lookup causes my X to crash from time to time
18:26<yury>simonrvn: man exa
18:26<simonrvn>xaa even
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18:26<simonrvn>oooh, cool there is one
18:27<amphi>heh, I didn't know that
18:27<amphi>xaa has no manpage
18:27<yury>grr... packages.debian does not have the previous git version
18:27<yury>and I do not feel like compiling X
18:27<simonrvn>i get mine from:
18:28<amphi>why would you need to compile X?
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18:28<simonrvn>deb unstable compiz-fusion-git deb debian-unstable beryl-svn deb unstable/
18:28<yury>well, no .deb for the previous version
18:28<simonrvn>yury: might want to check those out
18:28<yury>simonrvn: I'll stick to the standard debian repositories for now
18:28<simonrvn>built for sid, of course.
18:29<yury>I have lenny
18:29<amphi>yury: or you could try shame's packages
18:29<yury>and that point I will build my own
18:29<simonrvn>oh, it'll work for lenny ok, or what amphi suggested
18:29<yury>ooh, hey, that strace turned up something interesting
18:29<yury>read(3, 0x7fffc0812700, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
18:29<yury>seems the decorator is unable to poll
18:30<yury>er, read
18:30<yury>odd, fd 3 does not exist
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18:31<simonrvn>probably why it's not doing anything ;)
18:31<yury>erm, wrong process
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18:41<hatter>does rsync copy only the 'files' that have changed, or copies the 'parts' (blocks?) of a large file that has changed ?
18:41<yury>depends on the option, I assume, but by default only parts
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18:44<grummund>anyone know what tools i need to split up a video stream into individual jpegs?
18:44<hatter>yury, so a 10Gb file, would only get the bits of it that changed backed up ? where tar would zip up the entire file again ?
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18:47<yury>hatter: no
18:47<yury>what are you doing?
18:47<yury>if you have nothing on the other end, rsync will copy the entire file
18:47<yury>if you have a piece of the file on the other end, rsync will bring that piece up to date
18:47<hatter>yury, I am speaking of after the first file has transfered
18:48<yury>er, what?
18:48<yury>what exactly are yo utrying to do?
18:48<hatter>a vmware image file is 10G. So if i put the 10 gig file in two locations, and want it updated over the net, i am wondering if rsync will do it
18:49<yury>it will
18:49<yury>it will transfer only the parts that changed
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18:49<yury>however, be aware the algorithm is not all that efficient
18:49<yury>if your 10GB file looks like:
18:49<yury>and you change it to:
18:49<yury>it will work well
18:50<yury>if you do more rearranging, probably not
18:50<hatter>hmmm, interesting concept.
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18:50<yury>of course, if it's a vmware image, it will probably be mostly sequential
18:50<yury>and will work just fine
18:51<hatter>my first impression was rsync compares a 'file list' and only copies the 'files' that have changed
18:51<hatter>but rsync works on a lower level doesnt it ?
18:51<hatter>the 'block' level ?
18:52<dondelelcaro>hatter: depends on how you invoke rsync
18:52<yury>hatter: by default, it copies chunks of a file over
18:52<yury>it transfers as little as it can
18:53<yury>think of it as md5 checking each megabyte of a file
18:53<yury>and only transfering over the parts that changed
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18:53<Laeborg>somebody here who knows gnupanel?
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18:55<hatter>thats a very cool concept anyways, will rsync slow down if there are 1000's of smaller files ?
18:55<hatter>say a backup is 50G but there are only small daily changes
18:55<hatter>yury, thx for your input
18:55<kop>hatter : rsync does slow down the more files there are, but it works well anyhow and is constantly improving.
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18:57<yury>which is the ccp plugin for compiz?
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18:59<yury>well, at least someone filed it
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19:03<hatter>thanks guys
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19:07<amphi>yury: /usr/lib/compiz/ I would think
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19:07<amphi>yury: it's part of libcompizconfig
19:08<\3TATUK>Is there a way to read the values of host name/domain set in network-admin from bash?
19:08<yury>amphi: see my link
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19:09<JMC>hey could someone tell me how to remove an external hd from my lap
19:09<JMC>which comand
19:09<yury>JMC: umount
19:09<amphi>yury: ah, version mismatch - I wonder why libcompizconfig alone was updated
19:09<yury>or pmount
19:09<yury>amphi: well, they did update some of the plugins
19:09<yury>just not the core ones
19:10<yury>they updated the compiz extra and compiz unsupported
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19:10<yury>so that means I'm without compiz for a few days
19:10<yury>until the maintainer gets around to it
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19:11<yury>I should really just compile my own
19:12<seanius>yury: it seems an RC bug kept newer compiz out of testing, but somehow the rest of the plugins snuck in
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19:13<seanius>release critical
19:13<amphi>yury: odd; compiz-fusion-plugins-extra is at 0.7.x too; they won't work either, with 0.6.x compiz
19:13<seanius>there's a batch of 0.7.6 coming in a day or so to unstable
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19:14<amphi>seanius: I was thinking that
19:14<yury>seanius: thanks
19:14<yury>oh wait
19:14<yury>you're the bastard I need to blame for breaking this
19:14<seanius> is the bug
19:14<seanius>which i can reproduce
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19:15<yury>Uploaders: Sean Finney <>
19:15*yury shakes fist violently
19:16<seanius>yury: blame all you want it'll just get you into my /ignore
19:16<yury>anyway, thanks for looking at it
19:16<yury>I'm jsut kidding
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19:16<yury>oh, while you are at it, can you please take a look at another bug?
19:17<seanius>in the meantime you can grab the missing packages out of sid
19:17<seanius>i'm not "at it" atm :)
19:17<yury>when you get around to it
19:18<yury>that bug has been open for a while
19:18<seanius>yes, that should be fixed in the next upload
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19:19<seanius>fixed a week or so ago, but hasn't been uploaded
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19:20<yury>what was the problem
19:20<yury>some autoconf thing?
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19:21<amphi>the compiz packages versions are strange ;)
19:21<Supaplex>well it beats
19:22<seanius>the compiz source code management in general is strange
19:22<yury>that's main, not extra
19:22<seanius>yury: yes, the -extra plugins need the pc files from main
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19:33<norbert_>I just burned a cd-rom (standard gnome setup, debian stable) and I inserted a blank cd-rom and now it shows all the files again... what's up with that?
19:33<norbert_>how come that cd isn't blank when I open it
19:33<norbert_>I tried reload (and F5) but they are still there
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19:34<Supaplex>you burned two?
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19:34<norbert_>no, just one
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19:36<norbert_>I think I'll just do what any Windows user would do, reboot my machine
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20:07<Guest1048>can you see me?
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20:09<angelo>hi.. ive got a little problem... I have a monochrome screen... and I thought it was fine for console... but in apps like lynx you dont even see ur cursor anymore !... is there an app to work on the contras or so so I can see what Im doing ? :P
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20:16<Nemoder>angelo: lynx -nocolor ?
20:17<angelo>aha :) thanks a bunch
20:17<angelo>stupid problem ... but essential to solve :P
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20:17<angelo>btw anyone know if the pdc20378 nowdays is supported both sata and pata ?
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20:24<angelo>hmm what downsides does dmraid have compared to hardware raid ?
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20:31<joshua_>hey guys what are some essential tools i should install for network testing and administration?
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20:34<emilio>como instalo un tema de emerald?
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20:39<joshua_>emilio: go to #compiz
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20:54<masterus>hi all
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20:55<masterus>i have searched for a way to start vnc4server at each boot, but there is only information for any other distro, but not debian.
20:55<masterus>maybe someone here know how to do that?
20:58<joshua_>i'm trying to install my headers but it is saying it needs a linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but when i search for that package i'm unable to find it
20:59<abrotman>joshua_: which version of debian ?
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21:00<joshua_>debian lenny
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21:01<abrotman>joshua_: lenny is currently 2.6.24
21:02<joshua_>i wonder why i'm running 2.6.22-3-686
21:02<joshua_>i didn't do anything special during the net install
21:02<joshua_>only thing different i'm doing is running encrypted disk everything else was base install
21:03<joshua_>errr basic*
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21:03<abrotman>aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
21:04<joshua_>should i reboot?
21:04<joshua_>i'm assuming yes
21:04<abrotman>salvin: do not msg me
21:04<abrotman>joshua_: for a new kernel .. yes
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21:04<salvin>abrotman, are you a debian-dev?
21:05<joshua_>abrotman: why do you think this would have installed like this?
21:05<abrotman>joshua_: i didn't do your install .. NFC
21:05<salvin>abrotman, can you fis a little bug in experimental?
21:05<abrotman>fix ?
21:06<joshua_>haha i didn't do anything different during the install hmm very odd
21:06<salvin>abrotman, just add a dependence
21:07<abrotman>salvin: it's not 'add' .. it's fix
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21:07<abrotman>salvin: and that log is old
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21:09<salvin>abrotman, however, there isn't that package in experimental
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21:09<abrotman>which package?
21:09<abrotman>iceweasel or libmozjs ?
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21:10<salvin>the i386 tree is broken
21:11<Supaplex>oh pity
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21:15<joshua_>abrotman: thank you for your help
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21:38<joshua_>this install is asking for the location of the C header files
21:38<Supaplex>what install?
21:38<joshua_>its vmware
21:38<hatter>joshua_, uname -a to find out what kernel you are running, then aptitude instal linux-headers-2.6.8...
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21:39<joshua_>i have the header files i need to know what directory to point the install to
21:39<hatter>after downloading them you go to /usr/src and ln -s the header directory to linux
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21:42<joshua_>there is no linux sub directory in there
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21:43<hatter>joshua_, cd /usr/src, ln -s ./linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 linux
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21:44<Supaplex>you don't need to create a symlink. the package should create one in /lib/modules/nnn/something as far as I recall. it always worked for me, if I had the right headers installed.
21:44<Supaplex>maybe it's linux-headers-$(uname -r)
21:44<hatter>i remember having to create the symlink for vmplayer, cant remember having to do it for server...
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21:51<hatter>joshua_, vmware-server ?
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21:52<Laeborg>hi, i have installed gnupanel on my server, but how can I uninstall it? I want a panel more administrations minded than hosting minded
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21:53<joshua_>just workstation
21:53<Supaplex>Laeborg: apt-get remove ?
21:54<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>.
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21:54<Supaplex>joshua_: you can run -server on desktops or servers. :) maybe the #vmware people have a few debian folks that know a better way to find the right headers.
21:55<hatter>joshua_, you can try the symlink i suggested above
21:55<Laeborg>E: Couldn't find package gnupanel
21:55<Supaplex>!tell Laeborg -about search
21:56<Supaplex>if it wasn't installed via .deb's it's not managed via apt-get or friends.
21:56<joshua_>no the copy of vmware i have is the workstation version
21:57<Supaplex>Laeborg: try dpkg -l | grep panel
21:57<Laeborg>no results
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21:58<Supaplex>then there's little hope it was installed the debian way.
21:58<Laeborg> - i followed that guide
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22:00<hatter>Laeborg, there is a good guide for ispconfig on debian on the net
22:00<Supaplex>debian doesn't use tarballs to install software
22:03<miki>some1 fix ksplashx in KDE4.0.8 ?
22:03<dondelelcaro>well, there is a tarball in an ar archive that we use...
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22:14<jeeves>does anyone in here know the workaround to fix the sound on Toshiba laptops? I get sound from the speakers now, but nothing from the headphones
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22:25<|>jeeves: alsa-config
22:25<jeeves>I'm guessing shell that?
22:25<|>Yes.. :)
22:25<|>I"m thinking you have your headphones muted. :p
22:25<jeeves>k, thanks. it's just damn annoying, and it's a knowen problem with Toshibas
22:26<|>Good luck. :)
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22:28<jeeves>it didn't like the also-config command
22:28<|>also or alsa? :p
22:28<|>Should be alsa-config :x
22:28<|>Hmmz, then I give up. :p
22:29<jeeves>thanks anyways
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22:36<miki>someone want to try bespin-style-kde4.deb ..I just made package
22:45<xid>where is ?
22:46<miki>where u want
22:49<kop>FYI, the right way to find handy-dandy little usb powered lcd displays is: aptitude search lcd, then hit the lcd4linux project pages and browse the hardware support.
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23:15<xid>miki, foud that "deb/CONTENTS/usr/share/apps/:/usr/share/..." directory has an unusual >>>"/:/"
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23:17<xid>but I know nothing about that project , sorry
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23:20<xid>miki, i apreciate your position, keep goin
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23:35<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How can I set WINE's PATH variable?
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23:51<Joshua5150>what's up everyone?
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