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---Logopened Wed Jun 04 00:00:13 2008
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00:02<user01>phillipsjk, yeah the vga out works fine
00:03<phillipsjk>"white noise" in a digital system screems either test a routine or severe problems.
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00:03<user01>phillipsjk, seeing as how it is a dell im going to say severe problems
00:04<user01>phillipsjk, is it perhaps the dvi cable?
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00:06<famelix>hola a todos..
00:06<user01>hola como estas?
00:06<famelix>bn tu..]
00:06<user01>todo es cheveré gracias
00:06<famelix>de donde eres..
00:06<user01>michigan pero tengo una nena en barranquilla
00:07<famelix>y no ay mas gente.. o qe onda..
00:08<user01>any ideas for a good cheap 19" lcd replacement? :)
00:08<user01>or maybe it was 20
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00:10<phillipsjk>user01, you could always try the analog input ;)
00:11<user01>phillipsjk, true...
00:12*phillipsjk guesses that would involve buying/borrowing a cable
00:13<user01>phillipsjk: yup
00:13<user01>i have like 4 or 5 crts my company was throwing out
00:13<user01>will have to go down to storage i guess
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00:14<user01>the old ones had those cables built in too bad
00:14*phillipsjk is having brownouts
00:14<Aleric>I used to have /usr/bin/xmms ... it's gone :/. I can't find the package to reinstall it either?!
00:15<user01>phillipsjk, the irony is i just got my brothers laptop back from a repair
00:15<user01>phillipsjk, and was trying to fix it
00:16<enouf>Aleric: i think xmms2 superseded it
00:16<phillipsjk>user01, old CRTs with detachable video cables exist, but I think that is only for higher-end models.
00:16<user01>audacious is good :)
00:16<Aleric>enouf: that seem to be still very alpha
00:16<enouf>Aleric: you can always go get what you want and install it ;-)
00:16<user01>phillipsjk, yeah these are all dell monitors no chance of that
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00:17<user01>unless . . . the one i bought in 1997 might have one . . .
00:17<Aleric>enouf: The package xmms has vanished no?
00:17<Aleric>I don't get it :/
00:18<phillipsjk>If your're in edmontn, alberta I can lend you one.
00:18<enouf>!info xmms etch
00:18<user01>Aleric, the project died i think, i have audacious
00:18<dpkg>xmms: (Versatile X audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2108 kB, Installed size: 6268 kB
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00:21<\3TATUK>Anyone have luck getting a Linksys Wireless USB Network Adapter (WUSB11 ver.2.6) recognized?
00:21<gsimmons>!tell \3TATUK -about wusb11v2.6
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00:22<Aleric>Segmentation fault
00:22<Aleric>I want xmms :/
00:23<\3TATUK>thank gsimmons
00:25<Aleric>How do I build a .deb package again from a .dsc ?
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00:26<tcsetattr>dpkg-source -x foo.dsc will extract it
00:26<\3TATUK>gsimmons: i have atmel-firmware installed now... so at76c503a-source isn't actually needed is it?
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00:28<paraita>hello everyone !
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00:30<gsimmons>\3TATUK: That depends on the version of your kernel. If you're running Lenny with 2.6.24,, the at76_usb module is already present. Otherwise, add contrib sources, install 'module-assistant' and run "m-a a-i at76c503a-source".
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00:31<gsimmons>\3TATUK: s/at76c503a-source/at76c503a/
00:31<\3TATUK>installing atmel-firmware isn't enough?
00:31<\3TATUK>compiling the at75c doesn't just result in atmel-firmware?
00:32<gsimmons>\3TATUK: No. You'll need the at76_usbm module.
00:32<\3TATUK>okay thanks
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00:33<\3TATUK>that module-assistant stuff would be good to put in dkg's !tell string ..
00:33<\3TATUK>seeing as how lenny is not stable, and i am in fact not running lenny (otherwise i wouldn't really even be asking about this cause it would be included in kernel)
00:34<\3TATUK>but module-assistant is nice to know about ;x
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00:35<\3TATUK>anyhoo, i've run module-assist and it complied and set up the module
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00:35<\3TATUK>i suppose restarting the entire system would be the easiest way to register?
00:36<\3TATUK>modprobe at76_usbm
00:36<\3TATUK>FATAL: Module at76_usbm not found
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00:36<\3TATUK>FATAL: Module at76c503a not found.
00:37<gsimmons>\3TATUK: No, just modprobe the at76_usb module (ignore the earlier spelling error).
00:37<\3TATUK>i've done this
00:37<\3TATUK>and unplugged/replugged the adapter
00:38<\3TATUK>same results. no listing in `lsusb` and only the 'Power' (no 'Link'), lights are light up
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00:38<\3TATUK>need to restart HAL or something?
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00:39<gsimmons>\3TATUK: Uh, not present in lsusb output? Run `update-usbids' and try again.
00:40<\3TATUK>if i unplug my usb mouse i get all 0000:0000
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00:42<\3TATUK>i'm not gonna lie with you. i had to splice together two usb cords manually to get this thing connected cause i don't know what happened to the original cord, and it uses a standard full usb jack and a plain same-multi-ended usb cord is hard to come by
00:43<\3TATUK>the power lights up fine so i think my wiring job isn't the problem, though
00:45<xsdg>\3TATUK: power is separate from data, I believe
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00:46<\3TATUK>usb cords transmit power and data
00:46<\3TATUK>there were four smaller cords inside the usb
00:46<\3TATUK>black, white, red, green i believe
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00:47<\3TATUK>i connected the colors and now i get power
00:47<\3TATUK>still. let's _assume_ my wiring job is correct, (because if it's not, i still have slack to re-patch), then how else would i diagnose this issue on the software side
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00:48<\3TATUK>at76_usb is loaded correctly usbids are updated...power signal but nothing listed in lsusb
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00:55<joshua_>hey guys i'm trying to install the stuff require for ipw3945 but when i do an apt-cache search only one thing comes up for ipw3945 i know i need ipw3945 but it doesn't come up
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00:55<gsimmons>!tell joshua_ -about ipw3945
00:56<gsimmons>joshua_: Sounds like you're missing contrib and non-free sources within /etc/apt/sources.list.
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00:56<gsimmons>joshua_: If you're using Lenny, these have been removed in favour of iwlwifi.
00:57<joshua_>ahhh that would be why/ ubuntu must have done the samething because the eth* naming convention was differnt when i last ran ubuntu
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01:14*CodeBlock pokes the PM spam..........grrrrrr
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01:15<dendrite>!ops Sweety is doing PM spam.
01:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dendrite complains about: Sweety is doing PM spam.
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01:16*Dismal waves
01:17<\3TATUK>Sweety is spamming a commercial website address.
01:17<Dismal>So, I've got a little problem. I use an external USB hard drive, NTFS, and I'm at a loss as to how to mount it through NTFS-3g, as it shows up as /media/usb1
01:17*phillipsjk logs note from sweety
01:17<Dismal>And I get this every time I attempt to mount it
01:17<Dismal>Error opening partition device: Is a directory
01:18<Dismal>Failed to startup volume: Is a directory
01:18<Dismal>Failed to mount '/media/usb1': Is a directory
01:18-!-Dismal was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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01:18<Dismal>Sorry, anyway
01:18<Dismal>Can anyone offer any input?
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01:19<\3TATUK>gsimmons: no idea? i suppose i'll try a reboot (not much hopes that it'll help though)
01:19<\3TATUK>ty for your help
01:20<phillipsjk>Dismal, I I understand correctly, "ls /media/usb1" should show you all your dadta.
01:20<gsimmons>\3TATUK: Your device isn't appearing in any of the USB buses on your system. You'd want to fix this first.
01:20<Dismal>Found the problem I was having, was mounting it using the a directory instead of a mount point. Been awhile since I've used any linux distro
01:20<Dismal>I've just run into more, now
01:21<jm_>you can mount it with a dir as long as it's in fstab
01:21<Dismal>Eh, didn't bother adding it to fstab, hence the problem
01:21<Dismal>It's telling me the volume was scheduled for a check
01:21<Dismal>To boot into windowns twice, or use the force command
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01:21<Dismal>Since I'm not running windows, I forced it. It screamed unclean mount, and unmounted the drive
01:24<Dismal>What's the paste bot command? I'm not quite sure what I should do about this, hoping one of you can look it over
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01:25<jm_>pastebinit is a nice command line tool for such tasks
01:25<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
01:26<Dismal>No need, just followed steps I need, this is what I come up with
01:26<Dismal>So....edgy doesn't have any way to support NTFS, or am I missing something?
01:26<Vikram>hello..I have a HP visualize c3600 workstation and am trying to install the latest release of debian linux. The install went through fine but am unable to start xserver. It gives an error Open /dev/fb0: No such device found and then No screens found..Can you help..Thanks
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01:28<pete83>hi! is anyone here?
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01:30<Vikram>I googled the errors and tried what i could understand but the issue continues to persist. I am assuming fb is related to frame buffer but dont know how to configure /dev/fb0
01:31-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
01:31-!-Sweety was kicked from #debian by dondelelcaro [you should know better]
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01:32<jm_>Dismal: you are in the wrong channel
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01:32<Dismal>I'm starting to notice :P
01:32<dondelelcaro>Dismal: you want #ubuntu on
01:32<Michelle>that's annoying
01:32<jm_>Vikram: why are you using FB at all?
01:32<Dismal>Shit, sorry
01:32<Dismal>Etch, not edgy
01:32<Dismal>It's been a long day
01:32<Michelle>I can't kill bots if they don't spam me
01:33<Vikram>hi jm_: that was how the system came up after a fresh install
01:33<Michelle>(or more of if they don't spam dddd as is important atm)
01:33<pete83>Yeah, people are living. :)
01:33<jm_>Vikram: find out which driver you should use instead
01:33<Vikram>with default settings
01:33<Dismal>But regardless, I'm gonna get some sleep, tackle this problem tomorrow. And on a sidenote, Ubuntu has gone to hell
01:33*Dismal waves
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01:35<enouf>Vikram: try drxx, "/msg dpkg drxx" .. or, are you not using etch?
01:35<jm_>!no such screens
01:35<pete83>Can anyone help me, in grub? So I've 2 HDD (P-ATA) in PC. Prim. master's root option is (0,5), but where can I show other partitions on Secondary Slave?
01:35<Vikram>jm_: The output of lspci states 03:02.0 3D controller: HP Visualize FXe (rev 03)
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01:36<jm_>pete83: what do you mean with "show partitions"?
01:36<pete83>sorry, my bad english... :)
01:36<enouf>pete83: run update-grub?
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01:37<Vikram>jm__: The current driver is "fbdev"..I tried "vesa" but it couldnt find vesa
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01:37<jm_>Vikram: you mean this card isn't vesa compatible or what? is it the only VGA card?
01:38<Vikram>enouf: I am a new user to linux and trying to find my way around..I dont know whether i am using etch or not
01:38<jm_>Vikram: what's on 01:00.0?
01:38<pete83>so a partition (sec. slave) contain other OS (need to a program, which don't run under Wine :S), and I don't know which "id" need to this.
01:38<jm_>pete83: you want to boot windows or what?
01:38<enouf>Vikram: cat /etc/debian_version , and uname -r
01:39<Vikram>jm: lspci states there is only one VGA card which is the 3d accelator..all others are hdd cdrom etc
01:39<pete83>yes, from other disk.
01:39<jm_>chainload that
01:40<Vikram>enouf: ver 4.0 2.6.18-6-parisc
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01:40<phillipsjk>Vikram, I wouldn't be surpised if that machine doesn't support VESA. (It is an x86 thing)
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01:41<enouf>Vikram: well 4.0 is Etch (r3 now. see /topic) .. but yeah, i know nothing about PA-RISC arch
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01:42<Vikram>phillipsjk, so will it not be possible to run xwindows on this machine..i know there are other drivers like mesa and so it possible to determine what my actual driver should be
01:42<pete83>so, delete the comment mark from the eg. and the lines: title, root (xx,xx), makeactive, chainloader +1
01:42<pete83>how can I show the xx,xx or how calculate?
01:42<Vikram>the display comes up well but just not xwin
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01:42<enouf>gah, no -hppa , nor -parisc channels here
01:43<phillipsjk>Vikram, Is there an xserver available for the 3D chipset?
01:43<enouf>pete83: many indepth examples, but there's one at the top of menu.lst itself
01:43<jm_>Vikram: how about FB?
01:44<Vikram>i ran the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it comes up with no xserver available and goes to configure defaults/generic
01:44<Vikram>jjm: u mean to change the driver to :FB"..thx
01:45<Vikram>"FB" in xorg.conf
01:45<Vikram>for the driver under display settings
01:46<pete83>enouf: thx. the infomation! :) I know, google my friend... ;)
01:47<jm_>Vikram: ahh kernel needs to support it
01:47<Vikram>i am also looking at the device settings again and on the options it says UseFBDev true
01:47*phillipsjk still deosn't quite trust Google (TM)
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01:48<Vikram>shall i change it to false
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01:49<enouf>well, i wouldn't let them touch any private comm
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01:50<jm_>Vikram: well it won't help if X doesn't have a driver for your card
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01:52<Vikram>thanks jm_ last question..will any other flavor of linux help..
01:52<\3TATUK>Bus 004 Device 008: ID 077b:2219 Linksys WUSB11 V2.6 802.11b Adapter
01:53<\3TATUK>gsimmons: So it _was_ my faulty patch job, i re-patched the cable and now it lists
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01:54<jm_>Vikram: unlikely, best bet is to ask on relevant mailing list
01:54<tenzind>i am using lenny. when i insert my earphone the speaker doesnt mute. can i configure that?
01:55<Vikram>jm: thanks again for all the help...will post it on the newsgroups
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01:58<jm_>Vikram: better use debian mailing list
01:59<Vikram>jm_: will post it on the debian mailing list
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02:03<jm_>Vikram: there's debian-user and there is also debian-parisc which is what you probably got - or is this itanium?
02:05<Vikram>i was looking at the mailing list and found dmesg command and saw that the name of the graphics card is hpa4982a not supported
02:07<jm_>Vikram: that's unfortunatelly often the case with less used hardware
02:07<Vikram>STI PCI graphic ROM found at f7000000 (128 kB), fb at fb000000 (16 MB)
02:07<Vikram> id 35acda16-9a02587, conforms to spec rev. 8.0c
02:07<Vikram> graphics card name: HPA4982A
02:07<Vikram>sticon: Initializing STI text console.
02:07<Vikram>Console: switching to colour STI console 160x64
02:07<Vikram>stifb: 'HPA4982A' (id: 0x35acda16) not supported
02:08<jm_>ahh that's kernel saying it, did you perhaps check if there's a newer kernel for parisc?
02:08<Supaplex>oh joy. parisc. I use to own a truck load of those.
02:08<jm_>let's check the git tree
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02:14<jm_>Vikram: hmm doesn't look like ny significant changes have been made to make it work, also check this list
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02:22<alanhaggai>!ops Guest1253 is spamming.
02:22<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: alanhaggai complains about: Guest1253 is spamming.
02:22<alanhaggai>PM spam.
02:22<alanhaggai>Sorry. Guest1254.
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02:22<Vikram>thanks again guys.. i am planning to change the graphics card if there is no drivers available..laterz
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02:22<simonrvn>it - Guest1254 - hit me too
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02:23<simonrvn>!kill spammers
02:23*dpkg mangles spammers with a large trout
02:23<simonrvn>dpkg: what happened to your factoids? *snif*
02:23<dpkg>simonrvn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
02:24<tenzind>why do i get private messeges regarding free mp3s on this channel?
02:24*CodeBlock sighs at the pm spam..
02:25<alanhaggai>tenzind: We are all getting. Spammers!
02:25<alanhaggai>tenzind: I guess so.
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02:41<bbcdd>Hello all
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02:51<bbcdd> Terribly nubile question; for lenny these days, which flash/java should one install or are they already in the repos/installed?
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02:59<bbcdd>Can anybody help me with this from Opera? I would try another way of getting the key, but how would I first undo what those two commands did before I received the error with the third command?
02:59<jm_>bbcdd: use flash and java as provided by debian or d-m
03:00<jm_>you need to use apt-key as root
03:01<bbcdd>...installing opera via apt first. Sorry about that question guys... ooo really. Flash and java through apt-get? Thank you jm!
03:02<bbcdd>I remember something about; on sarge.. couple java packages on apt-get that were better installed manually and flash packages that were strange.
03:02<jm_>yeah sarge was different
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03:03<bbcdd>bbcdd@bbc:~$ sudo apt-key add -
03:03<jm_>sun-java* packages nwadays
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03:03<bbcdd>Ah I see
03:04<bbcdd>Got the (key blah blah...)| sudo apt-key... nice
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03:07<bbcdd>jm_ java5 or java6?
03:07<jm_>bbcdd: that's up to you really
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03:07<bbcdd>I know you're not my babysitter, but what's the difference?
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03:09<jm_>I have no idea
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03:10<lost_nick>bbcdd: go to and they'll tell you. java6 is the 'latest+greatest'
03:10<bbcdd>lost_nick, thanks was googling it right after I got done googling warsow - familiar?
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03:20<sheldonh>do other people using sid get the flashplayer segfaulting in konqueror and locking up firefox? started happening for me about 2 weeks ago (although i'd been delaying updates for a month)
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03:22<jm_>I can only say it's not happening in lenny
03:22<jm_>(for iceweasel)
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03:32<canhua>I am using GNU Screen within gnome-terminal(on debian-testing), mutt, aptitude, messed up on screen. I suppose it is due to the incorrect $TERMCAP, and I tried to change alter termcap in .screenrc, but the $TERMCAP just couldn't be alter
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03:36<jm_>canhua: what is your TERM set to?
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03:42<yasminelle90>ciao sapete se ci sono chat hot?
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03:43<yasminelle90>e come si fa a entrarci?
03:44<yasminelle90>c eqlc?
03:44<canhua>jm_:xterm in gnome-terminal, and screen in Screen
03:44<jm_>canhua: try it with another terminal (rxvt, xterm)
03:45<canhua>jm_: I just try. the same result
03:45<jm_>canhua: and they work fine without screen?
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03:46<canhua>jm_: yes
03:46<jm_>canhua: have you messed with termcap/terminfo commands in screenrc?
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03:49<canhua>jm_: the termcap/terminfo commands in screenrc just doesn't change $TERMCAP after I enter Screen
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03:50<jm_>canhua: but are you using any such commands in screenrc?
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03:52<canhua>jm_: no. I try one( termcap xterm* :cl=\E[H\E[2J:), however $TERMCAP remain unchanged from cl=\E[H\E[J
03:52<jm_>canhua: is this on etch?
03:53<jm_>ahh no you said testing
03:53<jm_>canhua: hmm from what I can tell it works fine for me at home, but I am not using screen on it a lot
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03:54<canhua>jm_: can termcap/info command affect your $TERMCAP? on mine it just can't
03:55<zjason>how does dhcp client (for example, dhcpcd of lenny) know eth0's link state (up or down)?
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04:00<jm_>canhua: I don't have a lenny machine to test with here
04:01<sheldonh>jm_: cool, thanks for the data point
04:02<jm_>ohh I do, just need to ssh in
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04:08<jm_>canhua: it doesn't seem to work at first glance
04:08<jm_>zjason: what do you mean?
04:10<zjason>jm_: when I ifup eth0 with ethernet cable unplugged, eth0 is assigned a special ip 169.xx.xx.xx. But when I plug ethernet cable, eth0 is assigned a valid IP *right away*. It seems that dhcpcd sends out discovery packets when it finds eth0 link is up...
04:11<zjason>jm_: So I am curious how dhcp client knows the eth0's link state change (from down to up)...
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04:13<canhua>jm_: you mean aptitude and mutt messed up in your lenny machine too?
04:14<canhua>jm_: or that termcap/info command doesn't work ?
04:15<jm_>zjason: strace it
04:15<jm_>canhua: both
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04:16<zjason>jm_: Ok, I will try to strace it. Thanks.
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04:23<tenzind>Hi, I have a VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) graphics card. Will I be able to play openarena with this graphics graphics card?
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04:29<Nemoder>tenzind: probably
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04:37<enouf>zjason: a 169.254.x.x is a zeroconf/avahi-daemon mDNS address
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04:38<tenzind>Nemoder: hmm .. tried openarena .. am getting frame-by-frame like slow graphics :(
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04:39<Nemoder>tenzind: try turning the settings down and make sure DRI is enabled
04:39<enouf>zjason: and, afaik, dhcpcd{-bin} is older now (Sarge), i think even in Etch dhclient{3} is used
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04:41<Nemoder>tenzind: glxinfo | grep direct
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04:43<tenzind>Nemoder: which package has the glxinfo util?
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04:45<jm_>canhua: I am at a loss, even the examples from screen docs don't work for me
04:46<canhua>jm_:which one?
04:46<canhua>jm_:I may try also
04:47<jm_>canhua: info screen -> Termcap -> Termcap examples
04:47<tenzind>Nemoder: glxinfo | grep direct says "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
04:47<tenzind>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect"
04:47<Nemoder>that would be why it's slow :)
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04:48<tenzind>should have read a bit on graphics stuffs before purchasing the laptop :(
04:49<Nemoder>true, but you should still be able to enable DRI for it
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04:49<Nemoder>tenzind: do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
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04:51<tenzind>Nemoder: yes .. it is installed
04:51<enouf>if a PCI-Express graphics chip can't do graphics well, i vote to bring back AGP :-p
04:51<Nemoder>tenzind: you might try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and make sure it's using the right video driver
04:52<Nemoder>enouf: then intel would just make crappy AGP GPUs :P
04:52<enouf>heh, ...well
04:53<AbsintheSyringe>iceweasel (3 experimental) is in offline mode every time I start it (debian testing)
04:53<AbsintheSyringe>how can I start it "normally" so it's not in offline mode every time I start it
04:53<tenzind>Nemoder: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg terminates right after doing some keyboard settings. I remember it doing more than that before
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04:54<Nemoder>ahh I remember somebody else having that problem
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04:54<enouf>yeah, newer Xorgs (lenny and sid) now use the autoconfigure graphics thing
04:54<tenzind>Nemoder: and my xorg.conf doesnt even have my graphics card listed there ..
04:55<enouf>tenzind: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:55<tenzind>enouf: how do i use that autoconfigure thing?
04:55<enouf>you don't, it uses you ;-)
04:56<Nemoder>tenzind: are you on etch?
04:56<tenzind>enouf: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
04:56<tenzind>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//
04:56<tenzind>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//
04:56<tenzind>Nemoder: am on lenny
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04:56<tenzind>uses me?? :)
04:57<Nemoder>I think you need Driver "i810" in your video device section
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04:58<tenzind>Nemoder, enouf : looks like my graphics card is same as the one here : .. should i use the xorg.conf file given there??
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04:59<Nemoder>well if you do make sure you backup your current one first
05:00<tenzind>ok ..
05:00<jm_>no loss if you don't back it up
05:00<Nemoder>because of autoconf? (I'm still not sure how that works)
05:01<jm_>maybe you only need to enable DRI in your existing one
05:01<enouf>i don't think anybody does .. well almost anybody ;-)
05:02<enouf>tenzind: i would try, sure .. and note the 915Resolution pkg, i was thinking of mentioning it
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05:02<raymond>hi, I have a xen kernel memory question, Am I in the right place?
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05:04<enouf>which kernel?
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05:04<DTE>hi all
05:04<raymond>Linux rs0224 2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 #1 SMP
05:05<raymond>I have en PE1950 with 32GB but I only see 16GB
05:05<enouf>well, you're close
05:05<raymond>Somewhere I read that this kernel only read up to 16 GB hard coded
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05:06<raymond>Can someone ack this
05:06<enouf>raymond: if that's pure debian, try #debian-kernel .. be patient
05:06<jm_>not me, I only have one machine with 4G of RAM
05:06<raymond>enouf: nope default deb kernel same thing...
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05:07<raymond>Only amd64 does see 32GB
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05:07<enouf>well 32bit i386 needs/uses PAE
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05:08<raymond>Yes true and thats the kernel running currently and als mem=32GB does not do the trick
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05:09<enouf>i think i've heard something about that .. can't recall much though ..
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05:10<raymond>I'm willing to run the 64bit version however the ia64 does not boot! And the amd64 installs fine.
05:10<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
05:10<enouf>raymond: ia64 is not for you !
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05:11<raymond>Can somenone explain why.... tnx you just did
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05:11<enouf>raymond: is there a -xen-vserver-amd64
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05:13<raymond>on the other node I'm running the amd64 bit for testing
05:13<enouf>raymond: is that the one you tried? (of amd64 arch)
05:13<raymond>I have to nodes
05:13<enouf>or, just the amd64 without xen, nor vserver
05:14<raymond>I started one node with i386 and the other one with amd64
05:14<raymond>both with xen kernel
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05:15<tenzind>enouf: when i install 915Resolution pkg, apt removes xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-intel because of some dependencies
05:15<atlantide>i install cacti it is runnig well on my server cacti, i have two 2 machines clients in my "http://localhost/cacti/host.php" thoses machines are down. I install snmp on all machine. Can you give the name of file where i must modifie on my clients machines
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05:16<enouf>i can start speculating, but i would likely be way off (especially since i have no idea with specifics with the -xen and -vserver variants), and it would make me even more frustrated ,,,,
05:17<enouf>tenzind: hrm, yeah, then your xorg is newer and that wiki info was written prior
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05:18<raymond>enouf: well i'm just having to make the choice of a) running 32 bit with recompiled open-iscsi modules and figure out to get the full 32GB, or b) run amd64 and figure out how fix iscsi modules that are broke in the current repo kernel
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05:20<jm_>atlantide: I recommend you to use munin instead
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05:22<enouf>raymond: which is "the current repo kernel" to you?
05:22<enouf>tenzind: i'm looking .. hang ..
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05:24<raymond>enouf: etch Xen 3.0.3-1-i386-pae, Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-4-686
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05:26<tenzind>enouf: that conf file atleast made the touchpads scroll function work :)
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05:28<enouf>tenzind: dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri
05:28<enouf>raymond: ahh the -486 might have something to do with it
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05:29<tenzind>enouf: not installed ... should i install that?
05:30<enouf>tenzind: yes
05:31<raymond>enouf: I've found a way to compile the modules from open-iscsi and that works fine for the 32bit variant but sadly not for the amd64 variant
05:32<enouf>raymond: dilemma indeed
05:32<enouf>raymond: perhaps you can write up a nice email to and explain all this in great detail - i think you'd get a much better response that way
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05:33<raymond>enouf: and basicly I like to stick to the debian repo instead of starting to compile stuff on a future production machine
05:33<enouf>sure .. indeed
05:33<tenzind>enouf: installed version 7.0.3-1 and now glxinfo | grep direct says "direct rendering: Yes :)
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05:33<enouf>but i do know some Xen issues existed ~ the time of Etch Release
05:33<raymond>!tnx enouf
05:33<dpkg>Congratulations, enouf! You've just made the life of your keyboard one keystroke longer!
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05:33<enouf>tenzind: bingo! ,, thank the deb devels
05:34<tenzind>enouf: and thank you!! :)
05:34<enouf>tenzind: the debian-x devels
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05:35<enouf>tenzind: libgl1-mesa-glx <--install that too
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05:38<tenzind>enouf: done
05:38<enouf>tenzind: libgl1-mesa-glx <--seems the libgl1-mesa-glx depends on libgl1-mesa-dri , so it should've already been pulled in
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05:38<enouf>tenzind: just found out
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05:39<tenzind>enouf: there are other libgl1-mesa-* stuffs ... do i need to install those too?
05:40<enouf>tenzind: not necessarily .,,, note; all the debian's "...-dev" pkgs are Headers for compiling,
05:40<tenzind>enouf: ok thanks
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05:41<tenzind>enouf, Nemoder : now openarena is runnign smoothly .. :)
05:41<enouf>tenzind: you should be fine, for now, i don't know yet what all the others do - Perhaps .. though, i might ask you to update/edit that Wiki page you threw out
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05:42<enouf>tenzind: or just tack on at the bottom how ; IF using newer Xorg 7.3, do not install 915Resolution, and install "libgl1-mesa-dri" and "mesa-utils" instead .. bla bla bla
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05:43<tenzind>enouf: ok .. i will
05:43<enouf>tenzind: enjoy your gaming 1st though ;-)
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05:43<tenzind>enouf: hehe .. thanks
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05:44<Knight_Lord>How does icedove determines which browser is used to open a webpage?
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05:45<jm_>Knight_Lord: perhaps it defaults to using alternatives
05:46<Knight_Lord>jm_ can i change the alternatives by hand? (I mean by deleting the symlink and making my own)
05:46<Knight_Lord>jm_ Or is there a more refined way of doing it?
05:46<jm_>Knight_Lord: man update-alternatives
05:46<themill>Knight_Lord: there's a config setting in there... but I can't remember how you get to it in icedove
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05:47<themill>Knight_Lord: There's an equivalent for about:config in icedove.... you'll have to ask google how to get it though
05:48<themill>Knight_Lord: something like.... Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Config Editor (I don't use icedove, but mrs themill does)
05:48<enouf>tenzind: ( et al ) check this out, concerning monitor management ;-)
05:48<Knight_Lord>themill my advanced for some reason is totally blank
05:49<Knight_Lord>themill oh now it works
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05:49<themill>Knight_Lord: odd. network.protocol­ => /usr/bin/iceweasel
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05:50<Knight_Lord>themill thanks a lot
05:50<themill>Knight_Lord: no worries
05:50<Knight_Lord>jm_ is uses alternatives indeed :)
05:50<Knight_Lord>themill it says x-www-browser
05:50<themill>Knight_Lord: yep, so alternatives works ok as long as you want to change it system-wide not per-user
05:52<Knight_Lord>Problem solved, thanks for the help :)
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06:03<malademental>hi! i have a touchpad problem
06:03<dpkg>somebody said past was you can also join #flood
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06:06<DTE>i have a "small" problem
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06:06<DTE>i setup a smal cluster (two nodes)
06:06<malademental> that's my xorg
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06:06<DTE>and postfix is running as master/slave on that
06:06<DTE>everything works well
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06:06<DTE>but when some daemons an the slave cluster want to send an email
06:07<DTE>it cannot because no postfix instance si running on that box
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06:07<DTE>normally i think all the programs that want to send mail, use the program sendmail
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06:08<DTE>but is it possibile to tell them to use another exec?
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06:08<DTE>for example sendemail
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06:09<jm_>malademental: and?
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06:09<malademental>jm_: that's the error :
06:09<malademental>jm_: when i start the x
06:09<jm_>malademental: it means X server crashed
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06:10<malademental>jm_: yeah, but it's only when i put the "ServerLayout" section
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06:10<malademental>jm_: because i saw on web that to configure my touchpad i need to have it
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06:11<malademental>jm_: X doesn't detect that it is a synaptic touchpad,
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06:12<jm_>malademental: are you using lenny?
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06:12<enouf>malademental: maybe the Synaptics Touchpad section from this layout would help?
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06:13<malademental>jm_: yes i use lenny
06:13<malademental>enouf: i'll take a look on it
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06:13<krisje8>Hi, I have lenny and my current kernel is 2.6.24 . I tried to patch this kernel, but I'm having some difficulties, and someone told me that it was easier to just get kernel 2.6.25 (which doesn't need patching for my purpose). Is it really easier, and how do I do this?
06:13<jm_>malademental: your serverlayout section is wrong
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06:14<malademental>jm_: ewww yeah that's true
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06:14<malademental>jm_: i correct it and i come back
06:14<jm_>malademental: but it's poorly written software if it crashes because of that
06:14<jm_>krisje8: 2.6.25 is in sid
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06:15<krisje8>jm_: yes I know, and I'd like to keep lenny, but still someone told me it was possible to get 2.6.25 on it
06:15<jm_>krisje8: yeah just try to get it from sid
06:15<enouf>jm_: notice big differences in the detail of malademental and the URL i gave? is that due to the New xorg autoconfig? (or perhaps he's not using 'debian'?)
06:16<jm_>enouf: yup, must be
06:16<enouf>jm_: er, must be which? :-P
06:16<enouf>latter or former ;-)
06:17<jm_>enouf: the latter
06:17<enouf>aye .. thought so too
06:17<krisje8>jm_: just change apt.sources to sid and install kernel-image-2.6.25 ? (and then change apt.sources back to lenny). Will it not break my dependencies?
06:17<jm_>krisje8: i would just use p.d.o to get url and wget it
06:17<enouf>right, then dpkg -i it
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06:18<krisje8>pdo = ??
06:18<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
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06:19<raymond>enouf: (seems that I'm not the only one)
06:19<enouf>raymond: ahh .. yep
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06:21<krisje8> Sorry, your search gave no results
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06:22<jm_>linux-image ...
06:23<krisje8>allright, I'll try it
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06:37<krisje8>wow, seems like it worked
06:37<krisje8>I'll reboot to check
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06:55<sebastianGC> to jak jest tu
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06:56<sebastianGC> superkaramba config
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06:56<sebastianGC>not is etc/ ?
06:57<jm_>i have no idea, maybe it uses somethinfg like gconf for gnome
06:58<jm_>or there's nothing in /etc and all goes in user's home dir
06:59<sebastianGC>i 'am not have gnome in home only 1 config for user
06:59<sebastianGC>not copnfi
07:01<sebastianGC>i'am not understand superkaramba showe me not have Xgl and glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" direct rendering: Yes
07:01<Laeborg>how does i see all installered, not standard, packages, such as apache, mysql ect
07:03<jm_>Laeborg: aptitude/dpkg-awk/grep-dctrl
07:03<jm_>sebastianGC: DRI is not the same as Xgl
07:05<sebastianGC>jm_ thanks
07:05<padski>I am after logging which process runs and when, right down to the level of each task switch. any suggestions how ?
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07:06<jm_>padski: sched debug perhaps
07:07<Laeborg>is there one simple command to delete all not standard packages?
07:07<padski>jm_, thanks
07:08<padski>Laeborg, "not standard" ?
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07:08<sebastianGC>i'am have not standart apache mysql php5 and not problem
07:08<sebastianGC>only problem with virtual server
07:09<Laeborg>padski: i have installed a control panel called gnupanel (to hosting) but i want to delete it
07:09<Laeborg>it have installed powerdns, mysql, postfix, apache2 and all that kind of programs
07:10<jm_>Laeborg: check aptitude/dpkg logfile
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07:13<padski>sebastianGC, keep it in the main channel please
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07:14<Laeborg>tsrv52:~# apt-get install c
07:14<Laeborg>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
07:14<Laeborg>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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07:18<padski>do I have to put up with abusive PMs or can I just ask the ops to remove the troll ?
07:18<padski>or can I do my own ban thing ?
07:18<jm_>you can ignore them :)
07:18<sebastianGC>padski I will inform more here
07:19<padski>jm_, ok thanks
07:21<DTE>padski: maybe you it possibile to use another program to send mails instead of sendmail?
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07:21<sebastianGC>padski It for I that not search problem obtain by pestering my english ist wery wery poor sorry
07:21<jm_>sebastianGC: are you from Spain?
07:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:22<padski>DTE, yes
07:23<DTE>padski: like to use sendemail instead of sendmail?
07:23<sebastianGC>ok jm It thanks but I on all channels search due to it learn new word
07:24<jm_>DTE: many MTA-s offer sendmail wrapper for that ...
07:24<sebastianGC>sorry spanish german and polnish problem with write
07:24<DTE>jm_: i need to not use an mta (is already installed but nt usable)
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07:24<jm_>DTE: then your app will need to handle it itself, not many apps can do that
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07:25<DTE>jm_: that is the problem...
07:25<sebastianGC> Nothing from ok already not write only read apologize prevent
07:25<DTE>i wan thinking to install a second mta to just run locally and just for this
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07:26<jm_>sebastianGC: it would be easier for you to ask in the channel where they speak your native language, it's pretty hard to understand what you want
07:26<jm_>why not simply configure MTA properly?
07:26<jm_>simple MTA-s for sending mail include ssmtp, masqmail, nullmailer
07:27<DTE>the it delete postfix installation
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07:27<DTE>jm_: it's a bit complicated's a 2-node cluster master/slave and postfix running on it
07:28<DTE>when it run on the other node cannot run on the slave node
07:28<DTE>but i need to send mail from the slave
07:28<DTE>for my scripts i can use sendemail
07:29<DTE>but for all the programs that use sendmail i cannot use it
07:29<jm_>DTE: install it in /usr/local or somesuch
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07:29<sebastianGC>jm_ I you understand and it thanks for it it but unfortunately, you can inform irc of something on english only
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07:30<DTE>i was thinking this....but having sendmail that point to another program, is it going to interfer with postfix when it'll run on that host?
07:30<jm_>it shouldn't - but how will your apps know when to use the one from /usr/local and when the one from /usr/bin?
07:30<jm_>sebastianGC: what is your problem then?
07:32<DTE>jm_: for me all the apps locally can use always the /usr/local version...and postfix just manage the domains regural emails
07:32<sebastianGC>virtualserver apache2 not domain only ip
07:32<sebastianGC> and port
07:32<DTE>it just that i don't want that maybe another sendmail program can run trouble to postfix
07:33<DTE>sebastianGC: do you want to use name based virtual host?
07:33<jm_>sebastianGC: what do you mean with that?
07:34<sebastianGC> Link for only by ip and port for that
07:34<jm_>I have no idea what you want ;)
07:34<DTE>? it get more and more confusing sebastianGC :-)
07:36<sebastianGC>DTE As my life :)
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07:37<padski>DTE, having a program *called* sendmail is normal, even if your MTA is actually exim, postfix or whatever. it is there for compatibility.
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07:38<DTE>padski: so you think if i substitute /usr/sbin/sendmail (from postfix) with a link to a /usr/local/anothersendmail is not going to cause problems?
07:39<DTE>i want to be sure becasue i have to do it on production servers :-)
07:39<padski>DTE, huh? I don't even understand why you want to change it ?
07:39<jm_>DTE: no don't do that
07:40<DTE>padski: because i need to send mails when postfix is stopped
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07:40<DTE>jm_: isn't safe, is it?
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07:41<padski>DTE, what, like to say that postfix is not working ?
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07:41<jm_>DTE: plus it will be overwritten anyway
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07:42<DTE>padski: no no it works...but on the master node of the cluster
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07:43<padski>DTE, you have an active-passive mta cluster ?
07:43<padski>DTE, and you didn't mention this because ? ;-)
07:44<jm_>he did
07:44<padski>oh!, sorry, I missed that!
07:45<DTE>yes i mentioned it before...maybe you didn't catch it :-)
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07:45<DTE>no problem
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07:48<padski>DTE, so on the passive node(s) you have no MTA running at all ?
07:49<DTE>i send mails from my scripts using sendemail
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07:49<DTE>but mails for exampe from cron-apt or from cron
07:49<DTE>i'm not able to send
07:49<padski>DTE, yes, what happens to those ?
07:50<padski>DTE, and you are designing this setup ?
07:50<DTE>padski: well...yes
07:50<DTE>at most
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07:51<padski>DTE, seems to me you have two options: either send through an MTA on a seperate machine, or run an mta for local mail when in passive mail. I prefer the latter.
07:52<padski>DTE, I suppose you could queue it and not deliver it until you are active, but that is just silly :-)
07:53<DTE>padski: at the beginning i was thinking to do so (send mail to a separate mta machine)
07:53<DTE>and all our apps are doing so
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07:54<DTE>padski: the problem with a local mta is that i have to manage it with heartbeat and it going to be a bit problematic
07:55<padski>DTE, or you could do active-active, but then that is different again :-)
07:55<DTE>padski: you know....that was my fisrt choise
07:55<DTE>but it gained more problems that it solved
07:55<padski>DTE, what changed you mind ?
07:56<DTE>mah...some internal decision (to spare some money on the machines)
07:57<DTE>to put everything on the simpler configuration
07:57<DTE>and master/slave is much simpler that active/active
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08:03<sebastianGC>reboot thanks and bye :) I will return here else
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08:09<Aleric>Does xmms2 work?
08:10<padski>DTE, what is it you aim to stop postfix doing by stopping it on the passive node ?
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08:16<DTE>padski: because all the configuration, spools and mails are on a drbd disk
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08:17<DTE>and drbd slave cannot be postfix cannot run
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08:19<padski>DTE, have a second set for passive mode ?
08:19<DTE>second set for what?
08:19<DTE>for postfix?
08:20<Aleric>My God... linux is still in the stone age isn't it :/
08:20<Ganneff>DTE: postfix in drbd setup - i do let hearbeat stop postfix before drbd goes off and start it again after it. also modifying the postfix cvonfig a little
08:21<Ganneff>so it runs in 2 modes, depending if its drbd master or slave, and the slave basically just relays everything to the master
08:21<Aleric>Does it even HAVE a *small* audio player that can handle .pls files with passwords without crashing?
08:21<Ganneff>(helps for cronjobs and stuff)
08:21<Aleric>xmms could... but that vanished from debian :/
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08:21<jm_>why would on euse passwords in playlist files? for URL-s or what?
08:21<padski>DTE, either that or have a seond mta package that doesn't conflict with postfix (I'm not sure if that is even possible)
08:22<DTE>Ganneff: i also stop postfix before drbd change state of the disk
08:22<Aleric>jm_: I pay for my internet radio
08:22<DTE>Ganneff: can you explain a bit better how do you do that?
08:22<jm_>Aleric: ohh, tried mplayer? :)
08:23<padski>you can pay for internet radio ?
08:23<Ganneff>DTE: simple. two with the neccessary values changed. drbd device contains a postfix/ with all the dirs, and the mountpoint where it goes to contains that too, so that postfix can run with drbd off. stop and start it at the right places, done.
08:23<Aleric>padski: no ads, no djs
08:23<Aleric>Just nonstop music on like 64 channels
08:24<DTE>Ganneff: for the drbd part is exactly what i did...a postfix dir with everything inside (spools, mails and confs)
08:24<Aleric>Not that I can listen to it with debian :/
08:24<DTE>and a link to /etc/postfix or whatever
08:24<padski>Aleric, just dial symantec tech support. back to back classics, no ads, no DJs, for hours at a time. I have peggy lee singing "fever" right now.
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08:24<Aleric>jm_: Anything graphical? gmplayer opens a large video window?
08:24<DTE>Ganneff: if i understood change the postfix configuration if drbd is master or slave
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08:25<Ganneff>DTE: yes.
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08:25<DTE>uhm...sound interesting
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08:26<DTE>so actually you don't manage postfix with heartbeat
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08:26<DTE>you just stop it and restart it after a while
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08:27<Aleric>mplayer doesn't play a .pls
08:27<padski>DTE, with heartbeat I reckon you could have postfix-master on one node and postfix-slave on the other.
08:27<DTE>padski: really? this is something i didn't know
08:28<DTE>i'll check immediately
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08:28<Ganneff>DTE: i do manage it with heartbeat
08:28<Ganneff>letting it stop and start it.
08:28<Ganneff>and the heartbeat postfix resource just copies a or a to
08:29<DTE>Ganneff: did you used for that a ocf script or a simple lsb script?
08:29<Ganneff>an own one
08:30<DTE>for curiosity...did you do the same for all the mail-related stuffs such spamassassin, courier etc?
08:32<Ganneff>as the node does not do anything extra when its not master
08:32<Ganneff>so all the rest is just stopped
08:32<DTE>ah nice...just the same as i wanted
08:32<DTE>ok...i'm going to stduy a bit how to plan this
08:33<DTE>thanks all for the imputs
08:33<jm_>Aleric: Aleric hmm no idea, I still use xmms - maybe try amarok or gstreamer, juk, somaplayer
08:34<gsimmons>Aleric: mplayer does, use the -playlist player option.
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08:37<k-man>does this udev rule look ok? ATTRS{product}=="DVB-T",ATTRS{manufacturer}=="LifeView",ATTRS{urbnum}=="95663406",ATTRS{idVendor}=="10fd",ATTRS{idProduct}=="0513",SYMLINK+="dvb-usb-1"
08:38<k-man>how can i test why its not working?
08:38<padski>k-man, is that udev stuff ?
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08:38<k-man>padski, yes, it is
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08:38<k-man>padski, it feels like black magic to me
08:39<jm_>k-man: try using udevtest to test it
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08:39<k-man>jm_, it says node name not found, devpath parameter missing
08:40<jm_>k-man: how did you call it?
08:40<k-man>sudo udevtest $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/dvb/adapter0)
08:40<k-man>hmm.. maybe i have to be root to call it
08:40<k-man>nope, same thing
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08:41<jm_>which device is it?
08:41<k-man>its a usb dvb tuner
08:41<k-man>is that what you wanted to know?
08:41<jm_>where in sys does it show up?
08:42<k-man>jm_, ah... let me check
08:43<k-man>jm_, /sys/bus/usb/drivers/dvb_usb_m920x
08:43<k-man>jm_, but its a dual tuner, so there is two files in there
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08:43<k-man>one for each tuner
08:43<jm_>k-man: try udevtest /bus/usb/drivers/dvb_usb_m920x
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08:44<k-man>jm_, not sure how to interpret the output
08:45<jm_>k-man: it should spit out rules that apply etc.
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08:45<k-man>jm_, output is here:
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08:45<k-man>jm_, i don't think it detected the device then...
08:46<jm_>k-man: is it plugged in?
08:46<k-man>well yes
08:46<Wesley>Hi im trying to install debian netinst on 3 identical machines; 2 of them went Ok but the current one is haveing a problem with grub (executing grub-install (hd0) failed - this is a fatal error) - anyone any idea what is the cause of this?
08:46<k-man>jm_, it might be open and being used by mythtv - would that matter?
08:46<jm_>k-man: maybe /sys/bus/usb/drivers/dvb_usb_m920x is not the right path and it has another one in other dir (mythtv shouldn't matter)
08:47<k-man>jm_, ok let me check
08:47<jm_>Wesley: grub-install leaves a file in /tmp when it fails
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08:50<Wesley>and what does that mean for me, jm_?
08:50<padski>Wesley, read it, look for clues :-)
08:51<Wesley>there are multiple files in it
08:51<Wesley>but ill see whats in them
08:51<k-man>jm_, these are the files under sys
08:51<k-man>jm_, i tested in the 5-1:1.0 files but no joy
08:51<jm_>k-man: did you look in /sys/class and suchlike?
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08:52<Wesley>syslog says: the file /boot/grub/e2fs_stage_1_5 not read correctly
08:52<k-man>jm_, err... not sure what I should be looking for
08:52<k-man>jm_, i mean surely it would have the driver name in the path or something?
08:53<jm_>k-man: it's hard to give you more specific clue I'm affraid, maybe there's v4l dir or so
08:53<k-man>jm_, theres a bunch of dvb stuff - and it appears as though there are some for each card i have
08:53<k-man>like /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0c.0/dvb0
08:54<tiagosab>Hi! Anyone know how can I start two different openoffice sessions, in two different X displays? When I try 'oowriter file.odt' in :1, it opens on the opwnoffice which is already open in :0.
08:54<jm_>Wesley: that means grub sbin emulator is not reading the same files - do you have separate /boot partition?
08:55<k-man>jm_, what does a successful test look like?
08:56<Wesley>jm_ I used the automated guided partitoning way
08:56<Wesley>same as other 2 servers
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08:57<jm_>k-man: it was successful, it just didn't match anything --
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08:59<jm_>Wesley: well you can try it manually and see what happens
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09:01<k-man>jm_, so in what you pasted me, the first rule file that does something is z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules?
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09:03<yang>hello jm_ !
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09:04<jm_>k-man: no, that's coming from z20_persistent.rules
09:04<jm_>yang: 'lo
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09:05<k-man>jm_, i found that the device that udevtest finds is /class/dvb/dvb0.dvr0
09:05<jm_>k-man: yeah try using that with udevtest
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09:06<carvalho>you from?
09:06<k-man>jm_, how do you tell in your example, that it was the z20_persistent.rules that it came from?
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09:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:07<jm_>k-man: ohh just by looking at what that rules file does
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09:09<k-man>jm_, well, udevtest gives this.... i don't think my rule is being run
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09:10<jm_>k-man: yup it would seem so, did you check with udevinfo if the attributes you specified match? otherwsie start with less specific match and make your way forward from that
09:12<k-man>jm_, do i have to unload and reload the device driver before it will work? or restart udev or anything?
09:12<jm_>k-man: not for udevtest
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09:12<jm_>k-man: and udevd itself will scan for updated fioes using inotify
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09:16<k-man>jm_, so if i tell it to make SYMLINK+="dvb-usb-0" , if it worked, when i run udevtest, it should show me some message about making that synlink?
09:18<jm_>k-man: yup
09:18<k-man>jm_, oh, if i have 2 rules that mach, and one is called later than the other, will the second one be executed instead of the first?
09:20<k-man>nope, order of execution didn't seem to help
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09:21<jm_>k-man: it will run both rules
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09:28<slept>Hi, I am trying to increase a variable within a find -exec such that I can rename lots of files by appending a number to the original name followed by the extension, but -exec number=&[number +1] is not working. I know this is not a debian related problem, but I think it would be a very nice addition for the rename command. But I would like to get the syntax right before messing with the whole script. I am not sure wh
09:28<slept>y it isn't working and google isn't much help for "find" . any suggestions ?
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09:29<jm_>because it does that in a new process
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09:30<slept>the whole command would be find ./ -exec cp {} ./${number}.jpg --verbose \; -exec number=$[number+1] \; , when I look at the output I can see that the variable is not getting changed, is there a way to put both in the same -exec .... I tried \; but that is not working
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09:45<kop>slept -exec sh "cp {} ./${number}.jpg --verbose ; number=$[number+1]" might do it.
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09:46<kop>slept : But, that won't increment number over each find hit, because the -exec runs in a separate process.
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09:49<themill>slept: you might have to pipe find into a while loop. Ugly, but it will work.
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09:49<samantha-->so i'm trying to start a vncserver. the problem is that every time i do, it doesn't actually start a wm. i've added exec startkde & in ~/.vnc/xstartup, and in ~/.xinitrc, and in ~/.xsession (which is overwritten every time i start X). where do i go from here?
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09:51<dobian>dobi duba
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09:51<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
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09:52<dobian>damn lenny ;p
09:52<themill>slept: something like: i=0; find . -print0 | while read -f $'\0' filename; do cp "$file" "$i.jpg"; i=$(($i+1)); done (adapting to whatever it is you're really trying to do)
09:52<dobian>kernel panic ;p
09:53<Alejandrito>kdevelop doens0t work in lenny :(
09:53<Alejandrito>at least for me
09:54<themill>Alejandrito: kdevelop has some dodgy dependencies that aren't tightly versioned enough from what I've seen. It has gone from rock solid to quite crashy since I started picking up backports of kde :(
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09:55<Alejandrito>thanks for the info themill
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09:56<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to add an email address with a wildcard to my pgp key? I use suffixed addresses and haven't yet amended my key to take account of that
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09:56<Alejandrito>i am learning programming right not big things for me..i will wait a litle more to stat using it
09:56<EmleyMoor>(I use gpg, btw)
09:56<slept>themill, thamks i'll give it a try
09:56<themill>Alejandrito: no worries. Not very helpful though. I've never managed to track it down enough to be able to report a bug though. It seems to depend on what "mode" you use it in. PHP mode is crap for me but C/C++ seems to work fine.
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09:57<Alejandrito>i am trying the python module
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09:57<Alejandrito>it crash before i can do anything
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10:06<EmleyMoor>If I use suffixed addresses (like username-randomsuffix@domain), can I make my PGP valid no matter what the randomsuffix?
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10:33<samantha-->so i'm trying to start a vncserver. the problem is that every time i do, it doesn't actually start a wm. i've added exec startkde & in ~/.vnc/xstartup, and in ~/.xinitrc, and in ~/.xsession (which is overwritten every time i start X). where do i go from here?
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10:33<fairway>testing is lenny?
10:33<berto>fairway: yes
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10:36<padski>samantha--, does the vncserver log anything anywhere ?
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10:37<samantha-->padski: just complaints about missing font directories and a permission error on ~/.xsession
10:39<samantha-->i've tried both startkde and gnome-session, and neither work. all i get is a grey background and X cursor
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10:41<padski>samantha--, frustratingly, I just apt-get install vncserver xvncviewer, run the vncserver and I can connect with the viewer and I get kde
10:41<padski>samantha--, fonts might be interesting.
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10:42<samantha-->padski: what really pisses me off is that i have another user on this box that doesn't have this problem, and duplicating her setup doesn't work.
10:42<padski>samantha--, the other user is running vncserver ok ?
10:42<enouf>samantha--: sounds like an xauth issue
10:42<enouf>~/.Xauthority even
10:43<samantha-->enouf: remove it and let it recreate?
10:43<enouf>or export it
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10:43<padski>although I can't reach the buttons on the kde wizardy thing, cos the desktop is too small :-)
10:43<enouf>though, i'm not sure how vncserver works at all
10:44<padski>samantha--, remove sounds good
10:44<enouf>padski: ? you mean the resolution? :-/
10:44<padski>enouf, yes :-)
10:44<samantha-->padski: that's easy to fix. removing .Xauthority did not resolve.
10:44<enouf>what's a wizardry thing? can't you use tab and cycle through buttons? otherwise ctrl-alt-+ ?
10:45<padski>samantha--, :-(
10:45<padski>enouf, its a like a wizard, but I suspect it has some other equally cringe-making name.
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10:49<enouf>samantha--: try also maybe sourcing your user's .bashrc in ~/.xinitrc , i don't think ~/.xsession would be involved, unless you're also going through a DM, like kdm, xdm, gdm
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10:50<dpkg>it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
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10:52<enouf>samantha--: also, try startx instead , see what the systems /etc/X11/default-display-manager is, and i wonder if the /etc/alternatives is causing you grief, this is where my x-session-manager is a symlink to startkde (update-aternatives)
10:53<samantha-->enouf: default-display-manager was kdm, which i've now removed. the system is a hosted box, so a display manager isn't necessary (which is why vncserver is). i've removed it and shut it down.
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10:54<enouf>samantha--: well, removed how? --purge remove?
10:55<samantha-->no, just shut it down. removed from default-display-manager, /etc/init.d/kdm stop
10:55<enouf>samantha--: also, dpkg-reconfigure kdm{gdm,xdm} would tell you - also make sure no startup scripts exist for it anymore inm /etc/init.d/ and no symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ most likely only /rc2-5.d/
10:56<enouf>oh .. i see, well, you said another user from your box doesn't have the issue you're having?
10:56<samantha-->yes. she is also using xvncserver.
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10:57<samantha-->and if it didn't work, i'd sure as shit hear about it :-)
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11:02<padski>samantha--, can you create a new user just to test ?
11:02<padski>(or perhaps something equivalent)
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11:03<samantha-->it requires sufficient setup that i don't really want to. it would be way easier to copy the working setup over (again).
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11:08<samantha-->and just copying ~/.vnc and .xinitrc and fixing the permissions (and passwd) from the working directory to the non-working one ... doesn't work.
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11:10<padski>samantha--, I didn't copy any config from anywhere. what if you start without any ?
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11:13<samantha-->padski: rm ~/.vnc/* && rm ~/.xinitrc && rm ~/.xsession* && vncserver -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 :1 ... same grey screen and X cursor, but no WM.
11:15<krisje8>hmm, which would be better (for an old laptop), audacious or xmms (I really liked xmms, but it's dead and I don't know if xmms2 is any good)?
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11:18<padski>samantha--, I have /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/startkde and I'm guessing that is how come I get kde. I just had a look at an strace nbut it wasn't jumping out ...
11:19<themill>samantha--: I don't think vncserver starts a windowmanager at all by default.
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11:19<samantha-->mine is pointing to /usr/bin/gnome-session, which doesn't matter for the moment cuz i'm not getting the wrong WM, i'm getting no WM.
11:19<padski>an /usr/bin/realvncserver is a perl script
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11:20<themill>samantha--: what package are you using to provide your vncserver?
11:20<padski>samantha--, try the -startup option
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11:21<samantha-->themill, atm it's tightvncserver. am happy to switch.
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11:21<dobian>dobi duwa
11:21<padski>samantha--, when I use that option I don't get a wm :-)
11:21<themill>samantha--: I was just wondering... I don't have one installed at all atm.
11:22<samantha-->padski, the -startup option ... where? i don't understand.
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11:24<padski>samantha--, it is in the realvncserver perl script but not in the man page. it defaults to "/etc/X11/Xsession
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11:28<dobian>tightvnc... can i load tightvnc at usr? ;)
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11:29<dobian>root only? ;p
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11:32<padski>samantha--, fwiw, if I edit .Xsession (big X) I can change my wm
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11:32<padski>... in a disturbing way ... now I have Kpersonalizer in a sawfish window ...
11:33<samantha-->as i invoke the name of a popular deity whose little-known middle initial is H, i note that chmod +x ~/.xsession gets me an xterm. i'm all wtf about that.
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11:34<Zathraz>hi. How can I change the default chmod for the adduser script. At install one gets the question if one wants worldreadable homedirs
11:34<Zathraz>I want to change that now. But cannot find it in /etc/adduser.conf
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11:35<Zathraz>hmm. overlooked it.sorry
11:35<samantha-->of course, when i actually EDIT .xsession, some script fucking overwrites it!
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11:36<dobian>need super usr ;)
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11:37<dobian>su>pass then edit ;p
11:37<dobian>or sudo
11:38<dobian>visudo > edit user pass
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11:39<samantha-->god. how insanely stupid. chmod -w ~/.xsession ...
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11:46<themill>samantha--: the tightvncserver script clobbers your xsession if it's not executable
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11:47<samantha-->themill: the tightvncserver script clobbers the xsession script even if it IS executable, if it's writeable
11:48<themill>samantha--: argh.. hang on. shouldn't do: unless (-e "$xstartup") ... it just tests for existence.
11:48<samantha-->does. chmod -w fixed and got kde going.
11:49<themill>samantha--: hmmm... most odd. Anyway, glad you're working now.
11:49<samantha-->i hope i didn't break my other user jacking with this. =/
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12:06<meandtheshell1>I got acroread installed ... I want to duplicate its configuration to another debian box ... where is acroread's config file located. I did not find it under ~/
12:07*meandtheshell1 forgot the "?" :)
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12:07<fxiny>check ~/.adobe
12:08<fxiny>Acrobat/8.0 ?
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12:08*meandtheshell1 bangs his head against the wall ...
12:09<meandtheshell1>of course ... thx
12:09*meandtheshell1 adds this path to his unison config ;)
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12:32<ohcibi|lappi>ive a ralink wlan-card.. but i dont know which... lspci and lspci -v only say unknown devices
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12:34<padski>lspci -n
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12:37<ohcibi|lappi>these numbers are listet from lspci and lspci -v yet... but i cant found any chipname which contains them
12:38<ohcibi|lappi>cant find
12:38<cahoot>tried update-pciids?
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12:42<ohcibi|lappi>cahoot: have updatet it now... do i have to restart or so?
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12:46<padski>ohcibi|lappi, no simply use lspci again
12:46<ohcibi|lappi>yea then its not difference
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12:46<padski>cahoot, nifty, thanks :-)
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12:51<padski>ohcibi|lappi, suggest you paste the output of lspci -vv and lspci -n
12:51<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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12:56<ohcibi|lappi>padski: lspci -v lspci -n
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12:57<padski>ohcibi|lappi, google that number 1814:0781
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12:58<padski>sometimes the subsystem id matters, you can see that by doing lspci -n -v
12:58<diggler>hi all, I have a little problem with my debian ecth system
12:58<diggler>I had shut down my system before closing an openoffice file. Since then, openoffice opens at every startup. Also the application fileroller starts up (I think this was not the case before) Does anyone can give advise?
12:59<padski>ohcibi|lappi, looks like RT2790 perhaps ?
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12:59<paddyez>whois paddyez
13:00<padski>paddyez, that'd be you I suppose
13:00<ohcibi|lappi>padski: maybe.... why do you think so? 8-))
13:00<paddyez>padski: I just missed the slash
13:00<padski>ohcibi|lappi, google told me. google knows all ;-)
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13:01<padski>paddyez, I thought it a good enough excuse to say hello
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13:01*paddyez wanted to say hello
13:02*paddyez just wanted to see if IP is brodcasted in whois ifo first
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13:02*paddyez is used to cloak
13:02<paddyez>hi everybody
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13:03<fxiny>hello 217 :P
13:03<ohcibi|lappi>padski: ive found a blog which says i need the 2860pci drivers... i think theyre including the drivers for rt2790.... thats why i didnt found them 8-)) i will try to instal lthem.. thx
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13:04<padski>!self tell
13:04<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
13:04<padski>ohcibi|lappi, good luck
13:04<paddyez>fxiny: exactly :-þ
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13:05<norbert_><dpkg> i guess v4l is video for linux.
13:05<paddyez>is this chan utf-8?
13:05<norbert_>that url is incorrect, the last / has to be stripped
13:06<norbert_>(when you do !v4l)
13:06<xsdg>dpkg: v4l =! s#/$##
13:06<dpkg>xsdg: I give up, what is it?
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13:06<xsdg>dpkg: v4l =~ s#/$##
13:06<dpkg>xsdg: that doesn't contain '/$'
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13:07<padski>norbert_, dunno
13:07<xsdg>norbert_: taken care of; thanks
13:08<norbert_>xsdg, thx
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13:19<paddyez>would that not be 
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13:20<AzaTht>is it possible to "configure" programs, like apt-get, to only give translations when _everything_ is 100% translated _only_?
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13:20<AzaTht>I my self dislike translations like "serious fel i pidgin (2.4.2-1 -> 2.4.2-2) <pending>"
13:21<AzaTht>swengish at it's worse :(
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13:22<norbert_>I'm sure the programs try to do that
13:22<norbert_>"fel" is Swedish?
13:23<AzaTht>"english swedish sweedish program(...) <english>"
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13:24<AzaTht>norbert_: think that gettext doesn't have translation limitations
13:24<ohcibi|lappi>ive installed the driver for the ralink wirless-card now... iwconfig tells me that ive compiled it with an ancient version of wirless extensions... what meanst that??
13:24<norbert_>AzaTht: I think you should either e-mail the developers or file a bug report
13:25<tralala>ohcibi|lappi, it means an old kernel
13:25<norbert_>or check out and see if people have solved the problem you describe
13:25<AzaTht>norbert_: true it's probably mostly a limit of translation
13:26<AzaTht>i.e. untranslated stuff
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13:26<norbert_> on is busier
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13:26<ohcibi|lappi>tralala: i have a 2.6 kernel...??
13:27<norbert_>AzaTht: try ...maybe people there and Ubuntu is 'based on' Debian
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13:27<AzaTht>norbert_: ubuntu are better at translating stuff than debian?
13:27<norbert_>AzaTht: more people who may understand your situation and who may be able to help
13:28<AzaTht>norbert_: freenode for ubuntu then I assume
13:28<tralala>ohcibi|lappi, wireless extensions is part of the kerenl. If your driver complains about the version this means that the driver was written for a newer kernel version. In many cases you can simply ignore the complaint and things will still work.
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13:33<ohcibi|lappi>tralala: i will try.... thx for the while 8-))
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13:35<ohcibi|lappi>seems to be all nice..... NICE
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13:45<Bru>Hi, I have a question regarding bash ... i want to read from an fifo and execute a function for each argument. can this be done using a for statement on the fifo?
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13:47<norbert_>Bru: can you give an example of what you would like to do (doesn't have to be something that would work)?
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13:47<Bru>norbert_: for VAL in MYFIFO; do (something) done
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13:48<Bru>where VAL should be one line coming from the fifo
13:48<norbert_>you could do that, yes
13:48<norbert_>by piping to a bash script
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13:49<norbert_>while [ $COUNTER -lt 530 ]; do <something> let COUNTER=COUNTER+1 done
13:49<norbert_>something like that
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13:49<Bru>norbert_: hm, but i need the values from the fifo?
13:50<norbert_>you pipe those to the script
13:50<norbert_>same as ls | more
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13:50<norbert_>which makes more handle the ls output
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13:51<norbert_>the fifo is... a /dev/...?
13:51<norbert_>the more information you give the bette
13:51<jla>that's what I was thinking. he needs some program to read from the file device
13:51<Bru>the fifo was created with mkfifo
13:52<Bru>i think i can't simply pipe because the values come in during several hours
13:52<norbert_>if you want to read from a device you can simply cat it
13:52<Bru>but i want themto be processed as they "arrive"
13:52<norbert_>or use tail
13:52<maxb>cat myfifo | while read line; do echo "I got: $line"; done
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13:53<Bru>"while read line" sounds great
13:53<maxb>or eliminate the cat, even, and just:
13:53<Bru>i'll try that. the while loop will determine as soon as the fifo is closed?
13:53<maxb>while read line; do echo "I got: $line"; done <myfifo
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13:55<norbert_>Bru: if you just want to look at it, you could also use:
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13:56<norbert_>you could use the "watch" command, which will automatically update the cat view
13:56<norbert_>I just did something stupid :)
13:57<norbert_>I did watch /dev/tty7 to test that
13:57<Bru>norbert_: :-) no i just want a bash script to process values from a fifo queue
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13:58<norbert_>ok, what maxb wrote should work fine
13:58<Bru>but i think the solution from maxb does the work i thought of
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13:58<jla>try it out, do the read line < fifo in one place and echo "msg" > fifo from another terminal
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13:59<norbert_>oh, by the way, I joined because I too have a question, maybe someone can help me out
13:59<norbert_>ren:/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/usb/media# ls
13:59<norbert_>ren:/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/usb/media# modprobe uvcvideo trace=15
13:59<norbert_>FATAL: Module uvcvideo not found.
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13:59<norbert_>for some reason the module cannot be found, even though it's there
13:59<norbert_>any ideas?
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14:00<jla>uname -r matches modules/<v>/? what does modinfo show about uvcvideo
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14:00<norbert_>it's really sad, by the way, that cams still don't work out of the box on Linux (yeah, I know it's because only closed source Windows drivers are released by the vendors)
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14:00<norbert_>yes, 2.6.18-6-486
14:01<norbert_>modinfo: could not find module uvcvideo
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14:02<jla>what if you modinfo the file instead of the module name?
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14:02<norbert_>all kind of info, including vermagic: 2.6.18-6-486 mod_unload 486 REGPARM gcc-4.1
14:03<jla>try verbose with the modprobe
14:03<norbert_>gives me the same message
14:04<norbert_>I just compiled and moved the module in that directory, maybe I should run some kind of update program? like for libs?
14:04<jla>did you add this module by hand and haven't updated modules.dep?
14:04<norbert_>modules.dep, never heard of :)
14:04<jla>checkout modprobe man page
14:04<norbert_>ok, I will, thanks
14:05<jla>when you upgrade the kernel you get a message like 'warning, you are updating the same version, your modules may have changed, they need to be rebuilt. this will be done automatically at boot. bla bla bla'
14:06<norbert_>yeah, I recognize that, I just ran apt-get update upgrade and got a new kernel... but I _did_ reboot
14:06<jla>you could try insmod with the full path
14:06<norbert_>ah, I should probably reboot again, after I now added the module....
14:06<norbert_>it works :)
14:07<norbert_>I ran depmod
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14:07<jla>module packages should do that for you. was this from a package or by hand?
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14:09<jla>that wasn't very clear on my part. If you installed the module from a package, it should have depmod'd for you
14:09<norbert_>ehm... well, I downloaded linux-uvc-source and linux-uvc-tools and found a bzip2 or tar.gz in /usr/src
14:10<jla>by hand then. k
14:10<norbert_>I configured, made and make install those; then moved the module
14:10<norbert_>I also tried to checkout the uvc from subversion
14:10<norbert_>but it didn't have any effect
14:11<norbert_>or maybe it did, and it was the same, that I just still had to run depmod
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14:12<jla>if you run cp file /lib/*, then you need to depmod. You may want to check out the module helper tool to help build modules from source into packages.
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14:13<jla>module-assistant. you'll probably be happy with your current process until the 2nd or 3rd kernel upgrade :)
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14:21<norbert_>jla: you seem to know a lot about it... I wonder whether you have an idea why Debian doesn't include this driver, make the system detect the cam and automatically insert the module
14:22<norbert_>I now have a /dev/video0 and had to ln -s video0 video, but still nothing works
14:22<norbert_>no Windows person will ever cat /var/log/syslog when they buy a cam, if you know what I mean
14:23<petemc>how is that relevant?
14:23<jla>norbert_: I haven't dealt w/ the cam driver. Your depmod trouble is common for inserting any extra module that isn't included in the linux-image or some module package.
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14:24<jla>norbert_: I don't know how stable the code you're using is, or when it was published. If they had a working patch against your kernel available when the debian version including that kernel was being wrapped up, and if some debian developer had an interest in packaging it, it would be as simple as aptitutde install <package>
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14:25<jla>if the kernel people like it a lot, it may be included in the mainline kernel (webcam doesn't seem like a mainstream type of thing)
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14:25<jla>and finally a joke. Have you seen some hackers? You think they want webcams pointed at them? :)
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14:26<norbert_>surely we all want to know what rms is doing all the time
14:26<jla>you might want to search around to see if someone else has a .deb for that module for the debian release you're using. that would be easiest if you trust them.
14:27<jla>ask on the mailing list for your driver. maybe you'll become the person who posts said deb to your web site
14:28<norbert_>yeah, I know how it all works, but sometimes I just wish I could plug it in and a paperclip would say 'hello, your webcam now works'
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14:28<norbert_>I already do stuff for the movement, but it doesn't include posting deb's or writing howto manuals for webcams... sorry
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14:29<jla>no problem. do what you can, what is fun. don't burn yourself out. You can always throw your experiance and 2c about getting it working on debian on
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14:40<sttng359>does debian support setting up lvm during install?
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14:41<sttng359>I'd like /boot to be a seperate non-lvm partition and /, /usr, /var, etc. to be in lvm
14:41<davi>What is the XMMS2 GUI package?
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14:42<sttng359>There are multiple XMMS2 frontends as I understand it.
14:42<davi>for example?
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14:43<norbert_>for example esperanza
14:44<jla>sttng359: yes at least since Etch
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14:46<davi>thanks norbert
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14:52<bcochofel>Sorry, what's the channel for debian devel?
14:53<jthomas>How can I install the pdo_mssql module for PHP on Etch?
14:54<azeem>bcochofel: what's your question?
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14:57<E0x>bcochofel: pecl install pdo
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14:57<jthomas>hmm ok...
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14:58<bcochofel>azeem: I have a source package and I need to create one .deb
14:59<Bru>hi, me once again. I am a bit puzzled because i can't get all output from the samba smbclient into a file. i am using smbclient -L winbox -g -N 2>&1 1>>file
14:59<azeem>bcochofel: read the new maintainer's guide
14:59<bcochofel>azeem: I've tried backports but the version there is to old
14:59<azeem>and/or ask in #debian-mentors
14:59<azeem>bcochofel: wait, it's not your own source package?
14:59<bcochofel>azeem: the .deb is for sarge. It's an old box I have that needs that
15:00<bcochofel>azeem: no, not my own
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15:00<azeem>bcochofel: so it's a regular backport/package building question which is perfectly on-topic here
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15:01<jthomas>E0x: now
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15:01<bcochofel>azeem: ok, here's what I have. bacula source from and I need to create the .deb
15:01<jthomas>E0x: now I get this error after the pecl install: PHP Fatal error: PDO: driver sqlite2 requires PDO API version 20060511; this is PDO version 20060409 in Unknown on line 0
15:02<bcochofel>I don't need all those .deb like bacula-common and all that. I need one that uses pgsql
15:02<azeem>so edit the source package appropriately
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15:02<bcochofel>azeem: I know the config options I want and all that, and I can compile the source on sarge box
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15:03<Glanzmann>I'm looking for a dpkg command line option that gives me one line per package including the version installed similiar to ,,rpm -qa
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15:03<bcochofel>azeem: I was trying to find a tutorial on how to do that
15:03<azeem>Glanzmann: dpkg -l ?
15:03<Glanzmann>'' or ,,dpkg --get-selections \*'' but with the version number appended.
15:03<azeem>bcochofel: do what?
15:03<azeem>edit the source package?
15:03<Glanzmann>azeem: Thank you a loy!
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15:04<bcochofel>azeem: what do you mean by edit source?
15:04<azeem>edit the source packag
15:05<bcochofel>azeem: I don't need to edit anything, only need to know how to create the deb with the configs I want
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15:05<azeem>bcochofel: eh, wouldn't you need to edit the configs to your liking then?
15:05<jla>Bru: -N &>>file
15:05<Bru>hi, me once again. I am a bit puzzled because i can't get all output from the samba smbclient into a file. i am using "smbclient -L winbox -g -N 2>&1 1>>file" it is still putting me lines on the console
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15:06<Bru>jla; thanks
15:06<jla>hmm, nm on that Bru, somethign close
15:06<jla>Bru: &>file works for non-append
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15:07<Bru>jla: i need append
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15:07<jla>Bru: 2>&1 combine and it stays combined when piped. we could use a command on the right of pipe, but there must be something better
15:07<Bru>but i can push it into a fifo once again and into a file from there
15:08<Bru>like this? &>fifo; cat fifo >> file
15:08<bcochofel>azeem: I guess, that's what I'm trying to find. The way to do that
15:08<azeem>bcochofel: isn't that specific to bacula?
15:09<jla>I think that will be too fragile
15:09<azeem>it's not clear what you mean with "the configs"
15:09<bcochofel>azeem: ./configure options
15:09<jla>oh, put the 2>&1 at the end
15:09<jla>Bru: -N >>file 2&>1
15:10<azeem>bcochofel: maybe you should be more precise in the future, that might've saved us 10 minutes of our time
15:10<Bru>you think of smbclient balbalbal >> file 2>&1 ?
15:10<azeem>bcochofel: configure options are usually specified in debian/rules
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15:10<Bru>jla: 2&>1 or 2>&1 ?
15:11<jla>typo on my part, 2>&1
15:11<Bru>ok thanks
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15:12<jla>Bru: np. thank the i/o redirection howto :)
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15:13<bcochofel>azeem: thx
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15:27<tiziano>buonasera a tutti
15:28<simonrvn>kwe kwe, Pjila'si
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15:47<VaRo_DJ>Hola, hello
15:47<VaRo_DJ>Yo tengo un problema // I have a problem
15:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:49<VaRo_DJ>dpkg, This channel doesn't help for me
15:49<dpkg>VaRo_DJ: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
15:51<jthomas>VaRo_DJ: what is up?
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15:51<VaRo_DJ>I can't install vmware-server 1.0.5 in Debian testing
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15:52<jthomas>which kernel are you using? if you're using able 2.6.18 you need "the any-any patch" and i don't know what that means much.
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15:53<jthomas>likely it needs that patch. I only know that from what I've read, not actually tried it.
15:53<clifford>VaRo_DJ: what errors are you getting?
15:55<clifford>VaRo_DJ: I know you said testing, but I installed it under stable and all I needed was build-essential and kernel-headers
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15:56<VaRo_DJ>I can install kernel-headers all?
15:56<jthomas>yes it could be the kernel headers aren't installed, VaRo_DJ
15:56<VaRo_DJ>this problem is
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15:59<VaRo_DJ>I'm install kernel-header (or utility)
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16:04<angelo_>hi, whats the programm killal ?
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16:05<jthomas>kill processes by name
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16:05<jthomas>killall firefox
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16:05<maxb>See also pkill
16:05<angelo_>ah what package does it come with ?
16:05<maxb>On some other unixes, killall actually kills everything :-)
16:06<jthomas>pkill is nice
16:07<angelo_>ok but Im trying to install vmware and it needs killall... can I just install pkill as well ?
16:07<sl_>What's the best way to rescue a corrupted root filesystem? I get this problem when fsck reports the root filesystem as clean but system gives a kernel panic and can't boot. Anyone?
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16:08<maxb>angelo_: Uh, something's a bit wrong if you don't have killall installed
16:08<maxb>It's a Priority=standard program
16:08<angelo_>lol ... I guess I liked nlite too much :P
16:08<angelo_>hmm I think cmware cannot find the location then
16:08<angelo_>is it just in /sbin ?
16:09<maxb> /usr/bin
16:09<maxb>apt-get install psmisc
16:09<angelo_>hmm install psmisc and now it can find killall
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16:14<angelo_>whats the kernel source tree
16:15<angelo_>an installer asks for the include dir ... directed it to the right location ... now it says its not a kernel tree
16:15<angelo_>kernel source tree
16:16<pmitros>Hello. I am trying to play and record sound. What's the best way to do it these days? I'm looking for something simple and maintainable. /dev/dsp appears deprecated. The ALSA API changes fast enough that their tutorials don't compile under Debian. There's a bazillion sound daemons (JACK, aRts, GStreamer, etc.). Someone recommended SDL, but that's playback only. What's considered the right thing these days?
16:16<pmitros>Primarily, I want simple, stable API, and good documentation
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16:20<pmitros>Damn. Playing a sine wave from ALSA, in their example, requires 1 KLOC (although there are more minimilistic examples too)
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16:45<pmitros>Median income in Mountain View is $100k per family.
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16:52<angelo_>is there some vmware support channel ?
16:53<noflash>angelo_, maybe #vmware on
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16:57<sheldonh>how can i find out which package added a user to /etc/passwd?
16:58<weasel>you don't
16:58<weasel>well, you can *think* about it, and it will probably be clear
16:58<weasel>or you could grep for the username in var lib dpkg info
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16:59<sheldonh>why would you assume i hadn't already thought about it? thanks, i'll grep the postinst files in there. didn't know about that dir
16:59<weasel>#debian support experience.
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17:00<sheldonh>ah. everyone i've spoken to here has been an idiot so far, i'll treat everyone like an idiot
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17:00<weasel>usually works out just fine.
17:01<sheldonh>acceptable casualty rates are all the rage since 911
17:01<weasel>you're just proving my point, you realize this? :)
17:02<sheldonh>you're just coming up with other ways to call me an idiot
17:02*weasel is that good
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17:03<simonrvn>you hadn't thought about *that*, since you didn't know it existed. so you hadn't thought about it, no.
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17:04<sheldonh>oh so very clever. what is it, tonight? myspace broken?
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17:05<simonrvn>we can't possibly know everything, to accept that is to grow.
17:05<sheldonh>sorry, i'm usually much better at ignoring people who make you pay for help by trying to make you feel stupid. you've caught me on a bad day
17:06<simonrvn>i'm not trying to make you feel stupid.
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17:07<simonrvn>i don't have <sarcasm> wrapped around what i'm saying.
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17:09<sl_>I haven't used a chroot before, is it using /bin/bash from the current root filesystem.does anyone know?
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17:10<simonrvn>sl_: no, inside the chroot
17:10<sl_>i get a permisssion denied error although I've mounted the partition with -w
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17:11<simonrvn>what's your command?
17:12<sl_>chroot /mnt/sda1 /bin/bash
17:12<sl_>it gives same erro for /bin/bash permision denied even if i omit the last argument on the chroot command
17:13<simonrvn>you need to be root (or use sudo) to chroot()
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17:14<sheldonh>sl_: does the output of ls -l /mnt/sda1/bin/bash indicate that you can execute the file, and does the output of mount exclude noexec on the mountpoint?
17:14<angelo_>hi ... an app suggests me to update from libc6 to glibc ... how do I do that ? or is that just libc6 ?
17:14<sl_>I am root. Running knoppix live cd and trying to rescue the root filesystem fsck report clean
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17:15<maxb_>sl_: You should paste the exact command and exact error
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17:15<sheldonh>sl_: and ls -l?
17:15<sl_>Exact command is : root@Knoppix:/# chroot /mnt/sda1
17:15<sl_>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
17:16<weasel>that's because your knoppix mounted it noexec and stuff.
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17:16<weasel>remount it properly
17:16<sl_>root@Knoppix:/# ls -l /mnt/sda1
17:16<sl_>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jun 4 20:43 /mnt/sda1 -> /media/sda1
17:16<sheldonh>sl_: that's not what i asked :)
17:16<sl_>i also tried the following: mount -o remount,exec /mnt/sda1 still though I get same error
17:17<sheldonh>sl_: i'm interested in the permissions on /mnt/sda1/bin/bash
17:17<simonrvn>yes, it's mounted noexec
17:17<weasel>sl_: grep sda /proc/mounts
17:17<sl_>ok sorry. mount -o remount,exec /mnt/sda1
17:17<sl_>root@Knoppix:/# ls -l /mnt/sda1/bin/bash
17:17<sl_>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 383 Oct 17 2006 /mnt/sda1/bin/bash
17:17<sworoc>chmod +x
17:17<sheldonh>sl_: so there you have it. it's not executable :)
17:17<weasel>how did you fuck up your permissions on /bin/bash?
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17:18<sl_>root@Knoppix:/# grep sda /proc/mounts
17:18<sl_>/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,data=ordered 0 0
17:18<sheldonh>sl_: no, don't run it
17:18<angelo_>does etch no longer have libc5 ?
17:18<sheldonh>sl: it's too small
17:18<weasel>angelo_: don't think it does
17:18<sheldonh>sl_: 383 bytes? your filesystem is toast
17:18<angelo_>weasel and glibc ?
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17:18<weasel>angelo_: come on. libc5. that was obsolete by slink
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17:18<weasel>angelo_: that's what we're using
17:18<weasel>ever since
17:19<angelo_>weasel hmm .. why does an app suggests me to upgrade to glibc then :S
17:19<weasel>because it's broken and/or the authors are smoking bad stuff?
17:20<sl_>sheldohn I suppose i need to re-install everything. I did had problem with the root filesystem after some lock up with sata_nv and ata bus
17:20<simonrvn>that would do it...
17:21<angelo_>weasel hmm guess thats why they made vmware server free.... the smoked bad stuff :P
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17:21<sheldonh>sl_: hard luck on your hardware :(
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17:21<weasel>angelo_: or maybe you're smoking bad stuff and reading error messages wrong
17:21<sl_>anyway cheers sheldonh and the rest for the help
17:21<sheldonh>sl_: my results with that stuff have been very disappointing
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17:22<angelo_>weasel lol ... id have alot more fun bumping my head over this if I were smoking bad stuff ;) ...
17:22<weasel>angelo_: if you were having fun it'd be good stuff
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17:23<angelo_>weasel good for me ... bad for me debian box
17:23<weasel>anyway, vmware-server works nicely on etch.
17:24<angelo_>hope I get it to work then .. the upgrade was a suggestion not a dealbreaker... so I hope it doesnt become a problem
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17:25<angelo_>Hwo could I fix this error ? /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
17:26<maxb>Install the relevant package
17:26<angelo_>hmm anyone knows the relevant package ?
17:27<sheldonh>angelo_: scroll to the bottom of
17:27<weasel>angelo_: packages.d.o knows
17:27<maxb>though... kinda easy to guess in this case
17:27<sheldonh>angelo_: a lot of people recommend something called a package called apt-file for searching for packages, although i haven't tried it myself
17:28<angelo_>hmm I must stop smoking bad stuff I guess... lemme try to help myself
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17:33<angelo_>worked :)
17:33<angelo_>btw how can I connect my vnc client to X ?
17:33<sworoc>x11vnc may be something to take a gander at
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17:43<Fade_To_Black>I want to remove certain apps using aptitude. But those apps come in the metapackage 'gnome-desktop-environment' so when I tell aptitude to remove those packages it wants to delete entire gnome. Is there a way to fix these dependencies?
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17:44<Fade_To_Black>for instance I have no need for cups as I have no printer, no need for games as I think they're stupid. Can i remove these things without removing the rest of that metapackage?
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17:47<sworoc>i know there is a way, but i'm not an expert on the best way to do it
17:47<sworoc>i was waiting for someone else to respond
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17:48<Fade_To_Black>I've had issues with this from when I first started to use linux
17:48<sworoc>i also use apt-get, which while very similar to aptitude, renders me not so familiar with specifics of aptitude
17:49<sworoc>they've improved the autoremove function for packages not needed, but that's the most i know for now
17:49<Fade_To_Black>aptitude is advanced apt-get it keeps track of dependencies. That's good in most cases. But a pain in this case
17:49<sworoc>apt-get tracks dependencies just fine :)
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17:50<sheldonh>sworoc: automatically installed packages, he means
17:50<sworoc>ah, ok
17:50<Fade_To_Black>well yeah that
17:50<sheldonh>well, i assume :)
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17:51<Fade_To_Black>metapackages are a pain in the ....
17:52<angelo_>whats the best lightweight x window manager ?
17:52<sworoc>that's an opinion :D
17:54<sworoc>it varies, fluxbox and xfce are good
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17:54<angelo_>ive always used KDE ... but I use windows manager mostly for small things nowdays so kde is a bit heavy then perhaps
17:55<sworoc>xfce is worth taking a look at
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17:56<sworoc>i personally use gnome and kde, but xfce would be my "backup" window manager
17:56<angelo_>if I install x-window-system-core and xfce .. thats enough right ?
17:56<sworoc>two ways to find out
17:56<Fade_To_Black>I used fluxbox, gnome, kde and xfce4. all have their pros and cons. I wish there was one that had features of all of them together.
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17:57<Fade_To_Black>Now I'm trying out e17
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17:57<sworoc>ah, e17
17:57<sworoc>that's fun too
17:57<Fade_To_Black>e17 is nice lightweight
17:57<Fade_To_Black>has improved a lot since e16
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17:57<Fade_To_Black>e16 was unusable for me
17:58<hever>Hej. I've got installed gnash and it plays flash animations but not youtube movies... have you heard this already and give me a tip?
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18:11<smartal>hi everybody
18:12<smartal>is here anyone to help?
18:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:15<smartal>since this is my first time using debian and even this chat...i can even mistake
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18:15<smartal>I have a problem with the root password! How can I change it or recover it?
18:16<weasel>you forgot it already?
18:16<Simy>whats the simplest way to scan all 192 address port 80? I've lost contact with a router, and its dhcp server isnt working, and resetting dosnt seem to work, ive got nmap and netstat but am unfamilar with port scanning (which is what i think it is) I'm basically just hoping to get a list of IP's that port 80 are working...
18:16<smartal>the problem must be a misstyping...
18:16<smartal>but as far as I tried different things I didn't make it!
18:17<gsimmons>!tell smartal -about ifrp
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18:17<Simy>smartal: can you sudo? sudo -i?
18:18<smartal>the problem is that I installed only the server
18:18<smartal>I can login as a user
18:18<smartal>but not root
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18:19<weasel>smartal: look at what dpkg told you.
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18:21<sworoc>Simy: i'm curious to know if you find a solution
18:21<sworoc>Simy: i've been looking for a similar scanning utility for a while
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18:22<Simy>sworoc: I know nmap will do it, and will do it fairly quickly, I just dont know how to use it...
18:23<sworoc>have you tried man nmap yet?
18:23<Simy>I have...
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18:23<Simy>theres a command i used, it would scan all 192.*.*.*:80, i just dont remember how to do it
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18:27<Simy>maslak: no, not really -- i havnt smoked in months
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18:27<sworoc>it's looking like nmap -v -sP
18:27<maslak>how do i run xorg-configuration -> to change my graphic card driver
18:27<themill>dpkg: drxx
18:27<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
18:28<maslak>Simy -> good for your lungz ;p
18:28<Simy>dpkg-reconfigure (package)
18:29<maslak>why does it only ask me for keyboard settings
18:29<maslak>i ran: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:34<themill>maslak: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
18:34<maslak>still nothing
18:35<maslak>only asks for keyboard settings
18:35<themill>maslak: lenny or etch?
18:36<sworoc>i believe it does the same for me on lenny
18:36<themill>maslak: you might like to mention that when you ask questions. sid users are supposed to be self-supporting and not asking questions here as a general rule.... when you run sid and things break, you get to keep both pieces.
18:37<maslak>but nothing has broken yet, probably... :)
18:37<themill>maslak: but this is the new xorg 7.3 that supposedly doesn't need a config file. I've not used it much. (well, using it atm on mrs themill's laptop but never played with it)
18:37<maslak>system is running fine
18:38<maslak>just want to switch no nvidia drivers
18:39<Dargol>maslak, just add the section manually
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18:39<Dargol>add Driver nvidia
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18:41<Dargol>maslak, like
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18:43<maslak>ok, line added...
18:43<maslak>what should I do now? restart? run dpkg-reconfigure ... one more time?
18:44<maslak>dpkg-.. doesnt help :)
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18:46<maslak> <- perhaps this is good...
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18:47<themill>maslak: do you have the nvidia driver installed from the debian packages?
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18:48<maslak>using this manual:
18:48<gary>can anybody help me , I want to change my kubuntu 8.04 to ubuntu 8.04
18:48<gary>with out format the sistem
18:49<the-me>gary, you're in the wrong channel
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18:49<user01>if i have a dual boot system, can the other operating system be run in vmware, or do i have to do a separate vmware install?
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18:49<gary>ok , what the correct channel?
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18:49<the-me>user01, you've to install them seperatly
18:50<the-me>gary, not #debian*, try something like #ubunto or so..
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18:50<gary>ohhh ok
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18:52<user01>the-me, so like i have bsd and debian in dual boot, i have to reinstall bsd on the debian partition inside vmware instead of just pointing to think disk inside vmware?
18:53<the-me>user01, vmware is using his own format
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18:53<the-me>but it would be a nice feature to emulate "real installed" systems :)
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18:56<user01>the-me, ah ok, my brother has a laptop and wants windoze still on it and i was like "i can just install debian and then you can just run it in vmware" but he wanted a separate boot
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18:58<enriquei_>You can use VMWare converter to convert a real installation to the vmware format
18:58<enriquei_>user01: ^^^
18:59<user01>enriquei_, ok, but that is still doubling the space isnt it?
18:59<the-me>enriquei_, but then both systems are out of sync
18:59<enriquei_>they are...
19:00<enriquei_>sorry I jumped in kind of late to the convo
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19:00<enriquei_>AFAIK you have to choose one or the other: real boot, or virtualized boot
19:01<user01>enriquei_, no worries . . . its a 60 GB hard drive then i guess ill do 30 for windoze 30 for debian
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19:01<enriquei_>thats kind of what I've done on my laptop
19:01<enriquei_>i have 2 XP partitions on my 7200RPM 100gb drive
19:01<enriquei_>and then various stuff on my 160 gb 5400 RPM drive
19:02<user01>or hrrrmmmm . . . maybe 20 GB windoze 20 GB debian 20 GB ext3 /home
19:02<enriquei_>Debian & something else usually... Sabayon, Solaris, etc
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19:02<enriquei_>How much is your brother going to use Linux_
19:02<user01>and then use ext2fs for windows
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19:02<enriquei_>You could do 20, 20, 20, and have the home partition on a FAT system
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19:03<enriquei_>that way you could access from both OS
19:03<user01>enriquei_, probably not much he hasnt shown much interest in learning
19:03<enriquei_>I would give him more room in xp then, user01
19:03<user01>i thought if i could get compiz working he would use it more
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19:03<enriquei_>I use my debian installation a LOT, and I haven't really gotten over 30 gb
19:03<enriquei_>including home folders
19:03<user01>but his ati 9000 doesnt work with fglrx or whatever
19:04<user01>he's more into eyecandy im more into the feautures ;)
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19:04<Tead>I'm trying to make a Software RAID1 partition with mdadm, but I get the following message if I want to add the second partition: "mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy"
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19:05<enriquei_>Eh, I can see both... I use debian for work, but I use Sabayon for work and play, user01
19:05<Tead>this is the command: "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1"
19:05<enriquei_>but mostly for play. :)
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19:05<enriquei_>Not overly impressed with Solaris, though
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19:06<enriquei_>I actually had to disconnect the raid controller from the battery in one of our servers to get the hard drives to manifest themselves after trying to install Solaris
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19:06<enriquei_>that was really, really weird... you'd think Solaris would work fine with a new(er) HP server.
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19:07<user01>enriquei_, is sabayon debian based?
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19:08<enriquei_>user01, no... I believe it is gentoo based
19:08<enriquei_>it uses portage, but it is very into eye candy... my ATI Radeon Mobility 9700 worked out of the box with it... ATI drivers
19:08<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
19:08<enriquei_>sorry. :S
19:08<enriquei_>user01, msg?
19:09<user01>abrotman, sorry though it was debian based distro
19:09<user01>enriquei_, sure
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19:10<jla>Tead: /dev/sda1 is an unused partition?
19:11<Tead>it should be, i've changed my grub to boot from sdb1, how can I check that?
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19:12<Tead>Software RAID is kinda new for me, always used hardware ones
19:12<jla>Tead: just check that it's not mounted. also check mdadm --misc --examine /dev/sda1
19:12<jla>it works pretty well for me
19:12<Tead>"mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/sda1."
19:14<jla>sda1 is in /proc/partitions and not in /proc/mounts?
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19:15<jla>oh, and I normally type it with the add after the md device: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1
19:15<jla>maybe that's all the problem is
19:15<Tead>it is in partitions, but also in mounts: "/dev/sda1 / ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0"
19:15<Tead>and an other row
19:16<Tead>the command i used was succesfill for sda5 to md1
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19:30<CodeBlock>pm spam
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19:41<jla>Tead: sorry for the delay. it looks like you have /dev/sda1 mounted as /, good thing mdadm didn't want to blow it away
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19:43<Tead>I think I've made a mistake somewhere
19:43<jla>are you trying to switch over to raid1 root or something?
19:43<Tead>clean debian install to Software RAID
19:44<jla>and your other partition on the other disk is already in the raid set?
19:44<Tead>and sda5 is alreay RAID1
19:44<jla>try mounting it on /mnt and see if it has a copy of all the data
19:44<jla>double-check your grub and your fstab to make sure they agree on what device to mount for /
19:45<Tead>mount /dev/md0 /mnt/md0
19:45<jla>sure. I just use /mnt, but that works
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19:46<Tead>ok, it was empty, i'm now copy all the data
19:47<jla>or, if this is from scratch, you can start over.
19:47<jla>that might be easier for /
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19:48<jla>are you doing one raid1 device on both disks, or a raid1 root and then (an)other raid1 device(s) for the other partitions?
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19:49<Tead>last one, i've now md0 and md1
19:49<Tead>md1 is swap
19:49<Tead>but it worked
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19:50<Tead>vms01:/home/tead# mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1
19:50<Tead>mdadm: added /dev/sda1
19:50<jla>np. good luck
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20:02<user01>how can i figure out what wireless card i have? i got a used laptop that has been wiped
20:02<jla>lspci might help
20:02<gsimmons>!tell user01 -about what's my wireless
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20:11<k1lumin4t1>is there any GUI linux app for capturing audio/video from a webcam?
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20:13<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: maybe try luvcview?
20:13<k1lumin4t1>sheldonh, let me check it
20:13<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: assuming you have a uvc webcam
20:13<k1lumin4t1>sheldonh, how could I possibly know that?
20:14<k1lumin4t1>it is a regular webcam
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20:14<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: it says regular on it? :)
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20:14<k1lumin4t1>sheldonh, heh, no. It's a vimicro chipset one
20:15<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: usb?
20:15<k1lumin4t1>sheldonh, yes, and the audio through jack
20:15<efnet>im trying to update my graphics driver and it sais i need to exit X before installing how would i do this?
20:15<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: okay, so it's probably uvc
20:15<k1lumin4t1>efnet, press: Ctrl + Del + Backspace
20:15<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: try
20:16<k1lumin4t1>sheldonh, it's already configured using gspca
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20:16<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: never heard of that :)
20:17<k1lumin4t1>efnet, or press: Ctrl + Alt + FX (with X =1-6) and then write down as root in that virtual console: killall gdm | kdm, depending on the manager you have
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20:18<k1lumin4t1>sheldonh, in that post gspca is used
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20:18<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: yes. i thought an end-to-end solution might be more useful to you :)
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20:19<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: anyway, if you're using a different kernel interface, i'm not sure luvcview is going to work
20:19<sheldonh>k1lumin4t1: interesting stuff if you google for: record from webcam debian
20:21<k1lumin4t1>sheldonh, ok let me check it
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20:22<Simy>I've got an issue and i dont quite know where to start with this... my dad vaccumed the dust out of my fan, since then my wireless card stopped working, i figure the card broke, bought a new one, and it still wont work... what else could it be? the laptop had no power(the cmos battery is apparently dead)
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20:32<jla>Simy: physical connection issues
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20:58<Fade_To_Black>Hi, I have gcc installed but can't find command 'gcc command not found' maybe I need to set it's path. But how do I do that?
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21:01<E0x>Fade_To_Black: check in /usr/bin/ , do a ls -ls /usr/bin/gcc*
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21:02<Fade_To_Black>208 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 204836 jan 17 00:48 /usr/bin/gcc-4.1
21:02<Fade_To_Black>208 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207648 mei 23 16:00 /usr/bin/gcc-4.3
21:02<Fade_To_Black> 16 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16312 jan 17 00:42 /usr/bin/gccbug-4.1
21:02<Fade_To_Black> 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2018 mrt 8 03:05 /usr/bin/gccmakedep
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21:03<Fade_To_Black>yes I have it installed there
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21:03<Fade_To_Black>what now?
21:03<dobian>dobi dowa ;)
21:04<jla>it looks like you need to set which one to use in alternatives. what does /usr/bin/gcc point to?
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21:05<Fade_To_Black>don't have a symlink there
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21:05<jla>(maybe it's not even managed by alternatives, mine is a symlink to gcc-4.1)
21:05<Fade_To_Black>do I need to make one?
21:05<jla>my gcc package made /usr/bin/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-4.1
21:05<jla>according to dpkg -s /usr/bin/gcc
21:05<jla>oops, big S
21:07<Fade_To_Black>I found it. symlink was missing
21:07<Fade_To_Black>tnx for info
21:07<jla>and package gcc was installed? np
21:07<Fade_To_Black>made it point to gcc-4.3
21:08<jla>I don't know what's changed since etch. README.Debian for gcc package tells all about it
21:08<jla>having to manage a symlink manually seems odd. either the package should do it, or update-alternatives.
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21:10<Fade_To_Black>jla I build from minimal and removed metapackage gnome-desktop-environment. That removed the symlink
21:10<argonel>is pinning with a negative priority known to work?
21:11<Fade_To_Black>I accidently installed gnome-desktop-environment and getting rid of that screwed some things up
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21:12<jla>Fade_To_Black: maybe it marked package gcc (not gcc-4.3) as auto, then it got removed when you took out the full desktop environment.
21:12<argonel>i've a pin defined with a priority of -1 and yet the upgraded version of the package is still going to be installed -
21:13<jla>I have gcc installed and gcc-4.1 is marked auto in aptitude on Etch.
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21:13<gsimmons>tcsetattr: Mind if I message you? It's regarding your previous HH request.
21:14<Fade_To_Black>jla: yes that's probably what happened. gcc-4.3 was still there but when I tried to compile something the path was lost. I didn't think of checking for symlink. Linux noob me.
21:14<jla>np. I would install package 'gcc' to have the default gcc stuff set up right. the gcc-version ones are there so you can set specific compiler targets. is gcc installed?
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21:17<Fade_To_Black>jla: yes
21:17<Fade_To_Black>anyone knows how to use fftw3?
21:17<jla>strange. I'll have to watch out for that.
21:17<asid>Anyone help me, i need to exit X and get to a console so i can install my video drivers i tried pushing ctrl+alt+del+backspace but all it took me to was a black screen running etch 64bit
21:18<pelmen>try alt+ctr+F2
21:18<jla>ctrl-alt-f1 ?
21:18<gravity>alt-f6 or f7 will work if you're at terminal. The ctrl- is only necessary if you're in X
21:18<asid>black screen i tried that earlier
21:18<gravity>But it sounds like your video driver install is b0rk3d
21:18<chealer>asid: which display manager do you use?
21:18<asid>im not for sure
21:18<Fade_To_Black>I'm trying to compile something that asks for package fftw3, I have it installed, but compiling process can't find it
21:19<gravity>asid: Run the command "startx" and see if it gives you an error
21:19<asid>server is already active for display0
21:19<jla>when compiling, you usually need -dev
21:19<gravity>Ok, alt-f6 or alt-f7 should get you back to it
21:20<asid>back to a terminal?
21:20<gravity>Aren't you in a terminal?
21:20<asid>no i need to get out of x and into a terminal
21:20<jla>Fade_To_Black: eg ffw3-dev
21:20<gravity>"black screen running etch 64bit"
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21:21<asid>i am in my desktop right now
21:21<asid>but i need to get into terminal and exit x so i can install the driver
21:21<gravity>asid: Oh, you need to kill X? Yeah, you need to stop your DM, which is why chealer was asking which one you use
21:21<gravity>asid: Are you just using the default desktop install?
21:21<argonel>asid: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
21:22<asid>yeah im sure its the default
21:22<argonel>something along the lines of /etc/init.d/gdm stop as root should do it
21:22<Fade_To_Black>jla: tnx
21:22<argonel>then switch to vt1
21:23<pelmen>terminal 1
21:23<jla>alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f1
21:23<argonel>i don't remember whether its contol+fkeys or alt+fkeys to switch terminals when not in X
21:24<Fade_To_Black>jla: now I get this : This system has no functional C++ compiler
21:24<argonel>it should work from within X, but i've seen it where it does not
21:24<argonel>asid: you could also restart for single user mode
21:25<asid>that doesnt start up in a terminal though does it?
21:25<jla>ya, it's a good last resort
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21:25<argonel>i guess in theory it might start X, that would seem very wrong to me though
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21:26<asid>thx for the help i might be back if this shista doesnt work
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21:26<jla>Fade_To_Black: install 'g++'
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21:26<argonel>so about these negative pins.. anyone done it?
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21:28<chealer>argonel: what does $ apt-cache policy apt-listchanges; output?
21:28<argonel>chealer: with the pin in place?
21:29<chealer>argonel: yes
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21:29<asid>i forgot to write the command to kill X down would you mind repeating it for me?
21:30<argonel>asid: something along the lines of `/etc/init.d/gdm stop` without the quotes as root should do it
21:30<chealer>asid: # invoke-rc.d gdm stop
21:30<argonel>ahh, i can never remember that
21:30<argonel>i always end up invoking it manually :p
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21:31<Xenguy>Ctrl-Alt-Backspace sounds easier :-p
21:31<argonel>Xenguy: however he already said it didn't work
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21:31<jla>that just makes it restart
21:31<Xenguy>argonel: oops, ok
21:31<argonel>jla: no, restart would make it restart
21:32<jla>ctrl-alt-backspace kills x and your dm starts it back up
21:32<argonel>oh, that that :p
21:32<asid>prolly be back in here with my luck
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21:33<pelmen>you could also try doing it manually: 'ps aux | grep gdm"
21:33<argonel>pelmen: it would restart
21:33<pelmen>and then kill all processes with gdm in them
21:33<pelmen>well it does not in ubuntu :)
21:34<argonel>but this is not #ubuntu :)
21:34<pelmen>that's what i always do when reinstall nvidia drivers
21:34<pelmen>i know :)
21:34<jla>invoke-rc.d gdm stop is the best way to stop gdm. I prefer to log out, switch to a console and issue that command, but they're having trouble breaking out of x
21:34<argonel>maybe it's just kdm that fires back up, i've never used gdm
21:35<pelmen>i know it is more cleaner way, but for some reason this was never enough for me :)
21:35<pelmen>hmm :)
21:35<pelmen>yeah GDM here
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21:36<chealer>argonel: and what do you get without the pin?
21:37<argonel>chealer: both -1 changes to 0
21:37<argonel>and the package pin line goes away
21:37<chealer>argonel: I suppose you're thinking about killing Xorg, in which case kdm would indeed restart it, but I don't see what would automatically restart a killed kdm.
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21:38<argonel>chealer: hmm, in which case it restarts xorg at the dm, rather than at the desktop, since you have to log in
21:38<argonel>makes sense
21:38<chealer>argonel: huh. what's the complete content of your apt preferences?
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21:39<argonel>tired of rafb, stripping newlines instead
21:39<argonel>chealer: Package: *\nPin: release testing\nPin-Priority: 600\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release unstable\nPin-Priority: 900\n
21:40<argonel>i tried the specific pin at the top and at the bottom, made no difference
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21:44<chealer>argonel: ah, yeah, I suppose you have competing pins. why do you use such pins anyway?
21:44<argonel>chealer: i tried with only the specific pin, it still doesn't work
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21:44<chealer>argonel: what does $ apt-cache policy apt-listchanges; output then?
21:45<argonel>chealer: same as what i pastebinned
21:45<argonel>oh, lies.
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21:46<argonel>so still -1 for both version, but the 900 and 600 lines are gone
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21:47<chealer>argonel: are you using Default-Release?
21:47<argonel>chealer: hmm, yes
21:48<argonel>chealer: same without it though
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21:48<chealer>argonel: if you don't mind, what does $ apt-cache policy apt-listchanges; output without Default-Release?
21:49<argonel>chealer: exactly as i just pasted
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21:49<argonel>oh, wait. i keep lying :)
21:49<argonel>the 990 changes to a 500
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21:52<argonel>what do the *** denote?
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21:52<ptr>evening, folks
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21:57*argonel gives up and pins to 2.81 with priority 1001
21:57<argonel>hopefully i'll remember to watch for 2.83
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23:41<Spots>hi all
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23:47<Spots>so, my question: - how do I create a dialup connection in debian?
23:48<Spots>i'm looking for a FAQ/HOWTO on the subject, but no joy so far.
23:51<gef>Spots, tried pppconfig?
23:52<Spots>nope.... where/what is it?
23:52<Spots>is that like when I start the computer up?
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23:53<gef>no, its a ppp configuration wizard-like-thing
23:53<Spots>ok - so I start debian - and where do I go?
23:54<Spots>ahhh, is pppconfig somethign I need to install?
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23:55<Spots> <<<< I'm here
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---Logclosed Thu Jun 05 00:00:13 2008