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---Logopened Thu Jun 05 00:00:13 2008
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00:19<kop>!tell Spots -about grounding
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00:20<kop>Spots : Which is not to say you can't ask here, but serves as a good starting point for what to read.
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00:24<kingsley>Which utility, if any, can undelete files from an MS filesystem?
00:24<nevyn>kingsley: which one?
00:25<nevyn>microsoft have at least 3 I know of.
00:28<kingsley>nevyn: I'm not sure that I understand which "one" you asked about, but in case you're wondering which microsoft filesystem I'd like to undelete files from, it's vfat.
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00:29<nevyn>that's what I was asking yes.
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00:30<gsimmons>kingsley: Depending on the file types involved, you can try using photorec ('testdisk' package).
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00:43<hachi>anyone know how to get xen running on amd64? or should I just use kvm or somefin?
00:44<hachi>maybe I can't... hurr
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00:46<Bartman007>hachi: I assume you're running lenny or sid?
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00:46<hachi>or experimental... forgot to check that
00:47<hachi>'empty' box right now, can just sorta rotate to whatever I need
00:47<Bartman007>a xen amd64 kernel isn't packaged by debian
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00:48<Bartman007>from what I understand Debian used Fedora's forward ports of Xen to newer kernels. Fedora has gotten tired of forward porting and is working to get Xen functional via paravirt-ops by the Fedora 10 release, which is unfortunately after the targeted Lenny release window.
00:49<hachi>wonder if VT-d works with x86, or only x86-64
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01:10<yangsx>hachi: kvm works fine with me
01:11<hachi>never used it, totally puzzled by it
01:12<yangsx>hachi: I'd say it's very easy to use. There is a step-by-step guide webpage
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01:13<hachi>this is my first VT-x capable hardware, so never touched anything but lguest so far :)
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01:14<hachi>reinstalling debian again to try
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02:38<joshua_>hey guys i'm used to the ipw3945 drivers for the 3945ABG card by intel can someone fill me in on what is needed to install the iwlwifi for the 3945 only one file(the firmware) shows up when i do a search last time there was a deamon and all kinds of other stuff with the ipw3945
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02:39<gsimmons>!tell joshua_ -about iwlwifi
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02:41<joshua_>thanks i think i read throught that last night just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing anything
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02:43<gsimmons>joshua_: As I told you yesterday, the 'ipw3945*' packages (with the exception of the old style firmware package) have been removed in favour of iwlwifi.
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02:44<tyi>hi all, I want to start learning iptables, are there any decent tutorials out there? The ones I found on google are either too old or way indepth.
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02:49<rubengonc>got a list of resources there
02:50<tyi>Thanks rubengonc, I'll go through them.
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03:01<jm_>!iptables tutorial
03:01<dpkg>i heard iptables tutorial is
03:01<jm_>bah too late
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03:02<sheldonh>i hate that :)
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03:05<rubengonc>i just found "cowsay", what an useful program
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03:07<jm_>try sl as well
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03:09<canhua>jm_: hi, remember my problem with screen within gnome-terminal?
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03:10<rubengonc>"sl Displays animations aimed to correct users who accidentally enter sl instead of ls." =)
03:10<rubengonc>i love the -F option
03:11<joshua_>hey guys i installed iwlwifi and i'm not getting a wlan0 in my ifconfig / wconfig
03:14<sheldonh>joshua_: on sid?
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03:15<gpb>i have a problem with X on a lenny installation
03:15<gpb>(etch installed, then upgraded to lenny shortly afterwards, cause i only had an etch dvd...)
03:15<gpb>X shows HUGE fonts...
03:16<gpb>like 10 characters on the monitor
03:16<gpb>how do I change that?
03:16<gpb>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't work
03:17<gpb>and it's the first time I see that error
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03:20<Nemoder>gpb: what xfonts-* packages do you have installed?
03:21<gpb>xfonts-100dpi, -75dpi, -base, -encodings, -scalabe and -utils
03:21<gpb>not changed from default
03:21<Nemoder>hm strange
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03:22<Nemoder>you might try creating a new user and seeing if it's still messed up there
03:22<jm_>canhua: yes
03:22<gpb>already messed when starting kdm
03:22<gpb>and still messed when logging in
03:22<jm_>gpb: find out your DPI
03:23<gpb>where do i find that?
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03:26<jm_>xpdyinfo reports it, it's also in logfile
03:29<gpb>(**) RADEON(0): DPI set to (95, 108)
03:29<gpb>that one?
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03:32<gpb>(II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 544 x 32
03:32<gpb>is *that* the problem?
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03:33<dpkg>somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
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03:34<dpkg>it has been said that multiarch is and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64.
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03:35*Supaplex savors xen+vserver (but only vserver on desktops/laptops)
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03:37<jm_>gpb: yeah it's not very sane value
03:37<dpkg>[i386] the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one.
03:38<gpb>is there an "official" another way to set xorg.conf?
03:39<Supaplex>mmm there's the wiki. but
03:39<dpkg>xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
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03:41<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
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03:45<gpb>that doesn't work, unfortunately
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04:01<jm_>gpb: edit it by hand (it's new autoconfiguring stuff)
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04:01<gpb>well, I didn't want to edit by hand
04:02<gpb>seems I have to
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04:03<ehsan>hi all
04:04<ehsan>i'm a fresh man!
04:04<ehsan>and have little problem with parsix
04:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, parsix is a live/installation CD derived from <kanotix> and based on Debian., or #parsix @ See also <based on Debian caveats>.
04:05<ehsan>i just installed compiz
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04:05<ehsan>but i can't find it in gnome!
04:06<ehsan>how can i execute it?
04:06<gsimmons>ehsan: You're in the wrong channel for support of your distribution. You'd want to join #parsix as mentioned by dpkg above.
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04:09<ehsan>sorry! idon't know where is the channel of parsix!
04:10<ehsan>i think it should be like debian
04:10<gpb>see the info above!
04:10<gpb>!tell ehsan about parsix
04:10<gsimmons>ehsan: Connect to (not OFTC) using your client, then join #parsix. Refer to manual of your IRC client in the event of difficulties.
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04:18<ravenbird>Yes, simonrvn, you're still online.
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04:23*Supaplex unplugs simonrvn's keyboard as a test
04:23<Supaplex>sup simonrvn?
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04:24*Supaplex scuttles off to sleepy land zzZZzzz laters.
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04:34<simonrvn>Supaplex: hey. not much, working on porting some templates
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04:46<dobian>dobi ;p
04:46<eth1>I have a little problem since a while... when I try to upgrade ldap-utils/pidgin/etc... it wants to remove The following packages will be REMOVED:
04:46<eth1> bsd-mailx exim libarchive-tar-perl libdigest-nilsimsa-perl libldap-2.3-0 libldap2 libperl5.8 mailscanner mailx qpopper
04:47<eth1>and I need mailscanner and qpopper ;(
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04:48<dobian>synptic pkg mn
04:49<eth1>hmmm... what will change between synaptic (or whatever name it is called) and apt-get upgrade?
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04:49<rubengonc>i missed autoscroll in iceweasel
04:49<themill>eth1: etch or lenny/sid?
04:50<themill>eth1: looks like you've not done the perl5.10 transition properly
04:50<blarson>eth1: You need to go from exim to exim4 .
04:50<themill>eth1: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade should do it or you could try explicitly upgrading perl itself and see what happens.
04:51<eth1>darn, i'll need to redo all the exim configuration for mailscanner ;(
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04:51<dobian>i tryed it yesterday. but.kernel panic
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04:52<themill>eth1: exim3 hasn't been in lenny/sid for a long time
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04:52<eth1>well, not thaat long...
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04:53<eth1>ok... qpopper isn't working with exim4?
04:53<themill>eth1: july last year is a long time...
04:53<dobian>i like etch ;)))
04:53<eth1>ok well, i didn't notice...
04:53<eth1>mailscanner will also be removed?
04:53<eth1>that's a pain in the arse
04:54<themill>eth1: when you run sid, you get to sort out your own deps; when you run sid and don't subscribe to d-d-a and don't keep up with important transitions, you get to keep both pieces when you fuck up and it breaks.
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04:58<Eaxexe>Hello :) I just installe Debbian Etch via NetInst. It installed fine and all but couldnt boot saying something about no ip6v tunnel found. Then I restarted, booted in singleusermode and tried running fsck. Not when I boot it says: /bin/sh: can´t access tty ; Job control turned off. What should I do about it? Re-install?
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05:00<dobian>do you have ip6v? ;)
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05:01<eth1>am back
05:01<Eaxexe>How do I check that? :P But right now thats not the problem :S The problem is the: /bin/sh: cant access tty
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05:03<eth1>ok, i just upgraded to exim4... :) now everything seems fine
05:03<jm_>Eaxexe: reinstall
05:03<themill>eth1: btw bitchx has also been removed from sid
05:03<dobian> /bin/sh > esc key push ;)
05:03<jm_>should be faster than figuring out what is wrong, but it may indicated hardware problems
05:03<eth1>themill ???? it has been replaced by somethinG?
05:04<themill>eth1: /msg dpkg bitchx /msg dpkg obsolete#
05:04<Eaxexe>jm_: Okay, thanks. Will do:)
05:05<Eaxexe>Thanks for your help everyone :)
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05:05<eth1>is synaptic console driven?
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05:06<dobian>need su
05:06<eth1>themill : I liked bitchx
05:06<eth1>themill ;(
05:06<themill>eth1: feel free to step up to maintain it then.... :) It needs both an upstream and a debian maintainer.
05:07<themill>eth1: synaptic is a graphical package manager, not console.
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05:07<eth1>oh, it has been dropped because no maintainer ? is there any users still using it? :)
05:07<themill>eth1: aptitude is curses based, yes.
05:07<eth1>ok fine
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05:07<eth1>I don't use graphical interfaces... ;)
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05:08<Gekz>bitchx fails.
05:08<eth1>I'm running off windows...
05:08<Gekz>and why the hell is it called bitchx.
05:08<eth1>Gekz : anything else that replaced it?
05:08<eth1>Gekz : because it's bitchin' ?
05:08<Gekz>... yes
05:08<eth1>well, I'll look into that...
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05:10<jm_>eth1: try scrollz too
05:11<eth1>thanks jm_
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05:12<eth1>haha I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc ...
05:12<lowgeek> /msg dpkg bitchx
05:12<eth1>are you smoking crack?, eth1
05:12<sheldonh>it's amazing how quickly you can unlearn habits when you have to. i'm already trying to tail /var/log/exim4/mainlog on non-debian boxes :)
05:13<eth1>tail ?
05:13<eth1>it's the same
05:13<eth1>even on solaris
05:13<jm_>the point was not n using tail
05:13<eth1>less ?
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05:16<themill>eth1: sheldonh's point is that exim4 is unlikely to be on non-debian boxes (not in the use of tail)
05:16<sheldonh>eth1: on other unix-like distributions, i've found it tends to be /var/log/exim, not /var/log/exim4 :)
05:16<jm_>yeah different path
05:16<eth1>ooh ok sorry
05:17<eth1>i'm newb to exim4 :)
05:17<Gekz>echo 1500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
05:17<sheldonh>no problem :)
05:17<jm_>since Debian still has exim 3.33 much to my relief
05:17<Gekz>how can I make that more permanent
05:17<sheldonh>bitchx is dead? woohoo!
05:17<sheldonh>jm_: you're using exim3? zomg!
05:17<jm_>sheldonh: yes :)
05:17<jm_>3.36 actually nowadays
05:18<themill>jm_: and only in etch... not lenny.
05:18<jm_>Gekz: write an init script
05:18<themill>dpkg: tell Gekz about startup
05:18<sheldonh>jm_: you are weird :)
05:18<jm_>themill: ahh crap, then I have to delay my reboot/upgrade cycle
05:19<jm_>sheldonh: naah, just can't be arsed upgrading, it works fine (we have a real MTA and I only need it for cron and similar stuff nowadays, previously it sued to deliver directly to me)
05:19<sheldonh>jm_: just because you're weird? ;)
05:19<jm_>sheldonh: keywrod being lazy, if that counts as weird then so be it
05:19<sheldonh>jm_: owch, you cut me deep. what's a real mta? :)
05:20<jm_>sheldonh: let me check
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05:20<sheldonh>jm_: sounds like it's not a matter of personal preference so much as a matter of what you are and aren't responsible for :)
05:20<jm_>sheldonh: postfix
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05:21<jm_>sheldonh: no, I am talking about my workstation, IT handles postfix (it actually goes internet --> postfix --> exchange --> me (via imap))
05:21<sheldonh>jm_: i took postfix for a whirl on my laptop during my initial disenchantment with debian's bastardized exim4 package. it was hellava easy to set up, and works well enough that i haven't bothered to remove it. i'm surprised it's not the default in debian
05:21<petemc>it will be soon, no doubt
05:21<sheldonh>are you serious?!
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05:22<petemc>if i was a betting man...
05:22<gsimmons>Gekz: Alternatively, add "vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs=500" to /etc/sysctl.conf.
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05:22<jm_>sheldonh: yeah I am pretty sure exim4/postfix defaults will work just fine for me, I only need to set mail relay
05:22<jm_>petemc: why?
05:22<gsimmons>Gekz: s/500/1500/
05:22<sheldonh>petemc: that's sad. shame on the debian bastardizers! :)
05:22<jm_>sheldonh: serious about exchange? unfortunately yes
05:22<petemc>more postfixites than exim fans, as i see it
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05:22<sheldonh>jm_: haha, no, serious about postfix becoming debian's default
05:23<jm_>sheldonh: well 95% of people wouldn't even know it
05:23<sheldonh>petemc: i reckon debian should solve the problem by having ssmtp as the default :)
05:23<sheldonh>jm_: now _that's_ frightening :)
05:23<petemc>some people might bring up the old argument that you dont need a mta at all
05:23<sheldonh>jm_: the software service on a computer that's most lilkely to cause other people trouble, and the other operator doesn't even know what it is :)
05:23<petemc>which isnt entirely unfounded
05:24<sheldonh>petemc: exactly. hence the ssmtp vote :)
05:24<yzhh>hello, I have a problem with serif and sans-serif font setting in lenny - after the latest upgrade, my serif and sans-serif fonts looks the same.
05:25*sheldonh is scared of fonts
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05:26<jm_>yzhh: check /etc/fonts/conf.d - here 40-foo declares serif/sans-serif families
05:27<jm_>ahh and plenty of other files too
05:28<yzhh>I'm a Chinese user, and since bold fonts of Chinese characters are software rendered and only available after they're mapped to serif and sans-serif, I'm stuck here.
05:29<yzhh>I've looked into 40-nonlatin.conf and 65-nonlatin.conf
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05:29<jm_>check the changes since the upgrade then
05:29<padski>Thought for the day: "What is the cause of Hellenologophobia?"
05:30<simonrvn>s,the cause of,,
05:30<yzhh>they have included the fonts I needed in serif and sans-serif families, and preference order (in 65-...) looks ok.
05:31<yzhh>how do I check the changes since the upgrade?
05:32<padski>simonrvn, it must surely be "the phobia that dare not speak its name"
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05:36<jm_>diff against old files
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05:42<screenn>what debian logo is meaning?
05:43<yzhh>eh, I see so many font names in these files, but where are the conf about mapping between font name and font files(eg. *.ttf)?
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05:43<Pepper>Hi! Using udev the device for my usb-scanner does not get correct permissions even it is set correctly in libsane.rules. Some ideas what to do?
05:44<jm_>Pepper: you could set it via udev rule
05:44<Pepper>there is already one in the libsane.rules file for it. ...
05:45<jm_>doesn't sound like an udev rule
05:45<themill>jm_: /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libsane.rules
05:45<Pepper>jm_: SYSFS{idVendor}=="04b8", SYSFS{idProduct}=="011b", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner"
05:45<jm_>themill: right, I thought it's something sane specific
05:46<jm_>Pepper: then verify if it applies to your device
05:46<themill>Pepper: what permissions is it coming up with?
05:46<jm_>might be something is overwriting it later on
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05:47<Pepper>root:root 0660 in /dev/usbdev..... and 0664 root:root in /proc/bus/usb (and no /dev/bus/usb at all)
05:47<padski>screenn, looks like a bass clef to me
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05:48<screenn>like galaxy I think
05:48<Pepper>jm_ themill: tried to debug udev, but was not sucessful. any hints?
05:49<screenn>really? new logo, why?
05:49<jm_>Pepper: try with udevtest
05:49<padski>screenn, 1999
05:50<Pepper>jm_: unable to open device '/proc/bus/usb/004/004'
05:51<jm_>Pepper: you need to use it with a dir in /sys
05:51<Pepper>jm_: to which file there?
05:52<jm_>Pepper: I have no idea, I never used a scanner in Linux, check /sys/class or /sys/devices
05:52<themill>padski: back to front for a bass clef.
05:52<padski>themill, yes, it is a widdershins spiral
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05:58<themill>Pepper: It's too long since I used a scanner to remember the voodoo, but normally it's a case of it just works. Have you checked that the vendor id and product id match that rule (lsusb)? Have you checked the permissions on the device (/proc/bus/usb/004/004)? Have you checked what groups you are in (id)?
05:58<Pepper>jm_ themill: debug output of udev wenn connecting:
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06:00<Pepper>themill: im part of scanner group yes (etch)
06:01<padski>themill, also the f-clef has been written that way historically.
06:01<Pepper>themil: also scanimage -L is detecting it as root. (but permissions arent set ok)
06:01<themill>padski: indeed.
06:02<themill>padski: my novello edition of the Bach Bmin Mass that I was rehearsing with last night uses that.
06:03<themill>Pepper: ok... so that's a start. It would appear that your device isn't being matched by that rule then.
06:03<Pepper>lsusb: Bus 004 Device 005: ID 04b8:011b Seiko Epson Corp. Perfection 2400 Photo
06:04<Pepper>themill: also the failing modprobe is confusing me. (no modules needed except usb)
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06:06<themill>Pepper: a udev rule to match that device is certainly already in libsane.rules.... :(
06:09<Pepper>themill: is the /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/libsane expected to be there blocking "scanner"
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06:09<themill>Pepper: nfc :(
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06:10<jm_>Pepper: just run udevtest to see which rules it uses
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06:11<Pepper>jm_: on the device in line 3?
06:13<jm_>Pepper: what does udevinfo -q path -n /dev/foo say for it?
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06:17<_-TOM-_>bom dia pessoas....
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06:17<padski>themill, I can put wikipedia reference away then :-)
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06:18<Guest1434>brauche hilfe beim einrichten des kde-login
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06:18<Guest1434>fühlt sich jemand dazu berufen?
06:18<jm_>Pepper: is this last one udevtest output for the device returned by udevinfo?
06:18<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
06:18<Pepper>jm_: yes.
06:19<jm_>Pepper: well it doesn't even consider that rule for your device then
06:19<Guest1434>after updating my knoppix- hdd-system IO cannot login anymore because the kde-login appears, after logging in it appears again and so on
06:19<jm_>!tell Guest1434 -about knoppix
06:20<Guest1434>jm, what does that mean?
06:20<Pepper>jm_: maybe some typo in libsane.rules? will try to delete everything useless and restart.
06:20<themill>padski: heh :)
06:20<jm_>Pepper: or just add your own rule
06:20<jm_>Guest1434: it means this isn't a support channel for Knoppix
06:21<Guest1434>yeah, I want to know something about the kde-login
06:21<jm_>well you want to ask knoppix people - maybe try selecting faislafe session or somesuch
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06:22<Guest1434>as it appears and after putting ion the correct information (user and pw) it disappears to appear again after 30 seconds
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06:22<Guest1434>okay thanks a lot for your hints
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06:25<jm_>Pepper: also compare full udevinfo output and check if the attributes match that udev rule
06:27<Pepper>jm_: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/4-6?
06:28<jm_>Pepper: yeah or just use -a
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06:33<jm_>Pepper: according to my knowledge this looks fine ;)
06:34<Pepper>jm_: looks like a M-I. will try setting it by hand ;-)
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06:34<Pepper>jm_: thanks for you help/time
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06:35<jm_>Pepper: are you running hal?
06:36<Pepper>jm_: by default yes.
06:38<Pepper>jm_: is it ok that there's no /dev/bus/usb?
06:38<Pepper>only in proc
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06:40<jm_>Pepper: but then again, even if hal would be resetting permissions, udevtest should still show libsane rule being applied - maybe try adding a dummy rule: SYSFS{idVendor}=="04b8", SYSFS{idProduct}=="011b", RUN="env > /tmp/bummer"
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06:42<jm_>Pepper: well standard init scripts take care of that
06:42<Pepper>jm_: trying disable hal.
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06:55<Pepper>jm_: run_program: '/usr/bin/env' (stderr) '/usr/bin/env: >/tmp/bummer: No such file or directory'
06:55<Pepper>jm_: looks like udev is out of environment ;-)
06:57<jm_>Pepper: ok but it does show it matches the rule since it tries to run it, does udevtest also confirm it?
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06:58<Pepper>looks like libsane.rules is corrupt, to big etc. tried to create a new one and is working now.
06:59<Pepper>jm_: will compare with original and if equal report a bug.
06:59<jm_>Pepper: maybe it's a matter of running order
07:00<Pepper>jm_: or ACTION / SUBSYSTEM in libsane is not working.
07:00<Pepper>will try to add it to the new file.
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07:01<jm_>Pepper: what action?
07:02<Pepper>ACTION!="add", GOTO="libsane_rules_end" . .SUBSYSTEM!="usb_device", GOTO="libsane_rules_end. (its that.
07:02<Pepper>maybe not working with newer kernels.
07:04<jm_>tha's just to not do silly stuff when device is disconnected or not USB one
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07:06<Pepper>jm_: it's the SUBSYSTEM line. when added it stops to work.
07:06<jm_>Pepper: is this on a line of its own?
07:06<jm_>then print display SUBSYSTEM to find out what it is
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07:07<Pepper>only usb
07:07<Pepper>changed in recent kernels?
07:08<jm_>let's see where it gets it from
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07:09<jm_>Pepper: check /sys tree for it again, that's where it's coming from
07:10<jm_>subsystem link or somesuch
07:11<jm_>yeah it says usb_device on 2.6.20 for me
07:12<jm_>Pepper: doh
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07:13<jm_>Pepper: already reported
07:14<jm_>Pepper: but it was closed as it started working so you could submit a new bug
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07:15<Pepper>jm_: so we know now that its not only "suboptimal" as it's called in the report.
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07:16<jm_>Pepper: the first part was fixed, ignore that - check below when someone else reporting something similar to what you are seeing - did you check the symlink name in /sys with your kernel?
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07:37<norbert->I have an idea and I'm wondering whether you think it's possible and would be useful
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07:37<norbert->could kernel modules be made apt-get installable?
07:37<jm_>they already are
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07:38<norbert->ok, because I apt-get installed linux-uvc-source and linux-uvc-tools, but my cam didn't start working
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07:38<norbert->I had to manually compile something in /usr/src and then move that and run depmod (or download from svn and so on)
07:39<norbert->I mean, make modules apt-get installable and have your device work, like, immediately
07:39<norbert->or should that be the case and did I ran into a bug of some sort, maybe?
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07:40<jm_>norbert-: linux-uvc-source can trivially be built using m-a
07:41<norbert->but that's not what I mean, I know there are solutions, but I'm wondering whether it can be made such that I _only_ have to apt-get install something and then the cam works
07:41<jm_>of course it can
07:42<norbert->is it like that and did I ran into a problem/bug?
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07:43<jm_>no bug, it just means debian doesn't provide binary modules
07:43<norbert->ok, so linux-uvc-tools is probably something else but not a binary
07:43<themill>norbert-: are you wanting m-a to be run automatically in the postinst script?
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07:44<jm_>linux-uvc-tools contains some tool to extract firmware only
07:44<norbert->well, themill, I want to see how 'we' can improve Debian (or Linux in general) and I would hope some day my webcam will work immediately after I apt-get install something... and it didn't
07:45<norbert->general joe user just doesn't understand some additional actions are required, I had to compile a source (after bzip2 tar -zcvf), then cp the mod, and then run depmod
07:45<themill>norbert-: you shouldn't need to do any of those bits
07:45<Pepper>jm_: about the scanner problem: thanks for your help. but it is marked fixed in the "next" version. soue i don't know if I should reopen it.
07:45<norbert->and I already knew where to look (in /usr/src)
07:46<norbert->themill: that's good to hear... so, is there a bug somewhere or did I run the wrong apt-get command?
07:46<jm_>Pepper: first check what name it reports with your kernel for "susbystem" link, then file a bug fexplaining libsane rules need fixing if it's not usb_device
07:46<norbert->I ran: # apt-get install linux-uvc-source linux-uvc-tools
07:46<jm_>you simply ignored how I told you it's trivial with m-a
07:47<norbert->I also had to modprobe uvcvideo trace=15, by the way; okay jm_ can you tell me what "m-a" means?
07:47<themill>norbert-: it would normally be apt-get install linux-uvc-source linux-uvc-tools && m-a a-i linux-uvc-source && modprobe module-name
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07:47<themill>dpkg: tell norbert- about m-a
07:47<norbert->but does the average user understand this: m-a a-i linux-uvc-source && modprobe module-name
07:47<sheldonh>i love backups
07:47<norbert->or this: module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
07:48<norbert->or does a user know how to visit #debian on OFTC?
07:48<sheldonh>one of my underlings just blew away the apache2 configs for a csutomers web cluster, but he did it on the NFS server that they share their configs off :)
07:48<sheldonh>took 30 seconds for me to fix. local rdiff-backups for the win!
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07:49<themill>norbert-: I can see where you're coming from. This is probably all documented in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ though.
07:49<laurberg>hey there
07:50<laurberg>does anyone know how to disable gnome-keyring-ask when I use ssh ?
07:50<laurberg>i just want to use ssh-add/ssh-agent
07:50<laurberg>not something gnomish.
07:51<jm_>laurberg: don't start it
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07:52<themill>norbert-: You could suggest to the maintainers that they include the m-a step in the post-inst, but that doesn't get around the problem of having to recompile if you get a new kernel, although perhaps that could be done on a dpkg trigger. Ask and you might received answers (or reasons why not!). /msg dpkg reportbug
07:52<laurberg>jm_: gnome-keyring ?
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07:52<jm_>laurberg: well not sure, but for regular ssh agent one can disable it in /etc/X11/Xsession.options - check if there's something similar for the way you start X
07:53<laurberg>jm_: i'll just check out
07:53<laurberg>it says "use-ssh-agent"
07:53<jm_>that's regular ssh-agent
07:54<laurberg>yep - but why does gnome-keyring-ask then keeps bugging me, every time I use ssh ? :)
07:54<jm_>which package is that from?
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07:55<jm_>ahh gnome-keyring
07:56<jm_>so you ar sayin it pops up when you run ssh from a terminal?
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07:56<norbert->themill: no, I won't do that, Linux isn't ready for the desktop and I don't feel the need to help out on that front
07:56<jm_>ok, let's find out which ssh it's starting: which ssh
07:56<jm_>or "type ssh"
07:56<themill>norbert-: wtf?
07:57<philsf>my users often complain that they forget to change the group of shared files so that other users in that group can modify them. Is there a way to make files in a particular directory to be created automatically with the group ownership of that dir?
07:57<jm_>laurberg: which package is that from?
07:57<themill>laurberg: update-alternatives --config ssh-askpass (perhaps!)
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07:58<norbert->themill: if I plug in a webcam, it should just work, if the lkml folks don't care about users and they care about the kernel and how to keep it properly maintained, then the modules should be installable with _one_ (apt-get) command, as long as the devs don't understand these things, Linux isn't ready for the desktop
07:58<philsf>norbert-: as if this as lkml folks' fault
07:58<norbert->but this is also just one of the problems that people run into, I have a huge list of them and I won't even bother to report all of them
07:59<themill>norbert-: now you're disappearing up your own arse. If you don't report problems, people don't know about them.
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07:59<jm_>laurberg: ahh check ssh config file, looks like you can overwrite it in ~/.ssh/config
07:59<jm_>philsf: yeah g+s the dir
08:00<philsf>jm_: this is setgid?
08:00<norbert->there are too many problems, try finding a good video editor (kdenlive is the best you'll find, but you need a svn version) or a v4l2 program that will record both sound _and_ video from your cam
08:00<themill>norbert-: If the drivers were in good enough shape and correctly licensed, they *would* be in the upstream kernel. That they are not, says that there is something wrong with them. Probably the licence.
08:00<norbert->or try to make other languages work with Evolution, you'll need to install a gnome spell package (how can anyone know that)
08:00<norbert->or try to get nice fonts in Firefox/Iceweasel
08:00<norbert->the list is endless
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08:01<jm_>philsf: correct
08:01<themill>norbert-: the list is not endless. Quit moaning and (a) contribute code or at least (b) contribute bug reports. Moaning gets nowhere. Code talks, bullshit walks.
08:01<norbert->themill: no, the license is not the problem, because I can't easily use modules either and they do exist and I can get them to work, but I have to be a hacker to make it work
08:01<norbert->bug reporting is also a problem
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08:02<laurberg>jm_: i dont have anything interesting regarding ssh-agent, gnome-keyring, etc in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
08:02<norbert->the graphical client doesn't have a "other" option
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08:02<norbert->and the console version requires people to submit an e-mail address
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08:02<laurberg>themill: "No alternatives for ssh-askpass."
08:02<norbert->bug reporting via the web is too complicated, it should just have an input field and a couple of check boxes
08:02<philsf>jm_: oh, my! I should know this... Thanks very much, pal
08:03<laurberg>it would be very nice, if gnome-keyring just went away.
08:03<themill>laurberg: ? what version of debian?
08:03<laurberg>debian lenny
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08:03<Gekz>how can i send a message to a logged on user?
08:03<themill>norbert-: this is not the forum for this discussion. Now quit bitching and either start being part of the solution or go and use windows instead or at least shut up so we can help people who actually want to be helped.
08:03<Gekz>to pop up on their screen
08:04<jm_>laurberg: is there anything in /usr/lib/ssh?
08:04<jm_>Gekz: man write
08:04<Gekz>jm_: isnt that just to the tty
08:04<Gekz>and not the x session
08:04<Gekz>which I should have spelt out
08:04<Gekz>but did not.
08:04<jm_>Gekz: man xmessage, but it's not as trivial
08:05<themill>laurberg: hmm... that's certainly an alternative in etch (whether that's what's happening or not I'm not sure though)
08:05<laurberg>jm_: /usr/lib/ssh: No such file or directory
08:06<laurberg>themill: mkay
08:06<jm_>laurberg: huh how is it started then
08:06<Gekz>jm_: xmessage cant be used remotely though can it?
08:07<jm_>Gekz: it can but problem is X access control
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08:07<Gekz>DISPLAY=:0.0 xmessage Hello
08:07<laurberg>i seems like gnome-session starts gnome-keyring-daemon
08:07<jm_>laurberg: yes that much is clear
08:07<jm_>laurberg: and sets env. vars much like ssh-agent
08:08<Gekz>jm_: apparently that worked
08:08<Gekz>because my sister just swore at me
08:08<laurberg>well, basicly i just want gnome-keyring* to not interfere with openssh
08:09<jm_>laurberg: maybe try to strace ssh to see if you can figure out how it decides it needs to talk to gnome-keyring thing
08:10<laurberg> <- maybe gconftool will fix it. I'll just try it out.
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08:13<laurberg>jm_, themill: seems to work :)
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08:14<themill>laurberg: well done :)
08:14<fips>hi all, i have zaptel-source and kernel-headers-2.6.18-6-k7 and cannot build with m-a a-i zaptel...
08:14<fips>/usr/bin/make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/zaptel clean
08:14<fips>make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7'
08:14<fips>Makefile:266: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7/scripts/Kbuild.include: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
08:14<fips>/bin/sh: line 0: [: -lt: unary operator expected
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08:15<fips>do i have to run some command in linux-headers dir? generate Kbuild.include????
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08:16<fips>running on latest linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7
08:16<fips>running on etch
08:17<philsf>ll -d /usr/lib/cg
08:17*philsf smacks forehead for pasting in wrong windows
08:17<fips>bulid went fine on 2.6.18-4 und 2.6.18-5
08:18<jm_>laurberg: right, I see it in the code, does it set SSH_ASKPASS?
08:18<laurberg>gnome-session ?
08:18<jm_>fips: it failed to include some file, find out which one it is
08:19<fips>anyone knows anything about Kbuild.include??
08:19<laurberg>SSH_ASKPASS is not set.
08:19<jm_>laurberg: more like gnome-keyring, just run echo $SSH_ASKPASS in a terminal
08:19<fips>jm_: it failed on Kbuild.include
08:19<jm_>fips: yes, line 266 - what's there?
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08:20<laurberg>jm_: exports says nothing about SSH_ASKPASS (echo $_SSH_ASPASS gives empty output as expected)
08:21<yang>hi there jm_
08:21<jm_>laurberg: I said echo $SSH_ASKPASS
08:22<fips>/usr/src/linux-headers-xxx-6-k7/Makefile: 266
08:22<fips># We need some generic definitions
08:22<fips>include $(srctree)/scripts/Kbuild.include
08:22<fips>Kbuild.include is not there....
08:22<fips>how do i generate that?
08:23<laurberg>jm_: I did so, $_SSH_ASPASS above was a typo.
08:23<jm_>you need linux-headers-foo
08:23<fips>jm_: package linux-headers-foo ???
08:23<jm_>laurberg: then I am at a loss at how it finds out what to run, nevermind, I was just trying to figure out how it decides that, I will stop wasting your time ;)
08:24<jm_>fips: well replace foo with $(uname -r) obviously
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08:24<laurberg>jm_: it is okay :)
08:24<laurberg>jm_: the hint at did the trick for me
08:25<fips>jm_: linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7 is installed.....
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08:25<fips>jm_: but the Kbuild.include file is not there....
08:25<Pepper>jm_: /dev/4-6 is now group scanner (rw), however, scannig requires /pros/bus/usb/004/006 scanner(rw)
08:25<laurberg>jm_: gnome-keyring does not bug me anymore after I ran the gconftool as recommended at
08:26<jm_>laurberg: yeah no doubt that helps
08:26<Pepper>jm_: oh wait, will try libsane.rules from the next version.
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08:27<laurberg>now I have a question regarding gnome-sharp, gnome applets and mono - but i think i'll go somewhere else to ask that qeustion ;-)
08:27<jm_>fips: let me see
08:29<Pepper>jm_: /dev/4-6 work ok, however /proc../004/006 isn't set correctly
08:29<fips>jm_: question is, is Kbuild.include in the package missing or is it generated via makefile... if so how do i generate it?
08:30<jm_>Pepper: isn't that explained in some kernel doc file?
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08:30<Pepper>jm_ will just trie it out with original kernel. maybe just a patch is missing.
08:31<jm_>Pepper: it would be so much simpler if you checked subsystem symlink name
08:31<jm_>fips: install linux-kbuild-2.6.18
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08:32<Pepper>jm_: you mean udevinfo? it tells: SUBSYSTEM=="usb"
08:33<fips>jm_: is installed, how do i reconfigure/reinstall it? with debconf?
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08:34<Wesley>I'm still unable to install the grub boot loader with debian net install. (executing grub-install (hd0) failed) - i did guided partitioning and manual partitioning
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08:36<fips>jm_: dpkg-reconfigure?
08:37<jm_>fips: why would you reinstall it? /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7/scripts is a symlink to /usr/include/linux-kbuild-2.6.18/scripts or somesuch
08:37<jm_>fips: and it includes Kbuild.include file that you need
08:38<jm_>fips: but you should reinstall it if you decided to delete random files provided by it
08:42<fips>jm_: i purged linux-headers-2.6.17-4 and linux-headers-2.6.18-5.... didnt delete the dir in /usr/src....
08:43<fips>jm_: how do i force reinstall with aptitude command line?
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08:44<jm_>fips: no need to force anything, aptitude reinstall foo
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08:46<fips>jm_: just saw it in the help, THANKS a lot
08:46<fips>jm_: zaptel-source is building....
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08:47<jm_>fips: lesson learned I hope
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08:50<jm_>Pepper: yeah that confirms a change in the kernel I guess
08:50<fips>jm_: why does aptitude reinstall virtual package linux-kbuild not reinstall dependent package linux-kbuild.2.6.18 ???
08:50<jm_>fips: why would it?
08:50<Pepper>jm_: yes, USB_DEVICE_CLASS is deprecated now.
08:50<jm_>Wesley: did you try it manually?
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08:51<Pepper>jm_: sorry for consuming time. thanks for your help.
08:51<jm_>Pepper: naah no bother, it was interesting to finally figure it out
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08:52<jm_>Pepper: you should definitely file a bug against libsane
08:53<Pepper>I think this is already fixed in lenny. libsane.rules was completely rewritten
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08:53<jm_>ahh good
08:53<themill>Pepper: so an etchnhalf backport might be necessary then.
08:53<Wesley>jm_: Yes I did..
08:54<jm_>Pepper: are you on etch then?
08:54<Wesley>I even gave it a larger boot partiton. google showd some people that the size was to small or something
08:54<jm_>ahh and using newer kernel, such bugs can be rejected
08:54<Wesley>jm_ no luck there :(
08:54<Wesley>syslog shows the following: the file /boot/grub/fat_stage_1_5 not read correctly,
08:54<jm_>make sure to use --root-directory with grub-install when using separate /boot
08:55<Wesley>Hum, where, how do I do that?
08:55<jm_>be back in 10
08:55<Wesley>im using the netinstaller
08:55<jm_>man grub-install
08:55<Wesley>hmm ok
08:55<Wesley>grub-install no such command
08:55<jm_>I suppose installer should know how to do this
08:55<themill>jm_: except that etchnhalf will be using a 2.6.24 kernel with etch, so such things are required to work. The list of things that are not going to work with etchnhalf kernels is supposed to be small (xen, for instance)
08:55<jm_>themill: well then someone should notify those people
08:56<sime>good morining
08:56<themill>jm_: yes, I'm hoping Pepper will do so since he knows the details of what he's done (and I don't).
08:56<themill>Pepper: hint hint
08:56<Pepper>themill: already reopened #359797 with background info.
08:57<Pepper>themill: but maybe I got something wrong with the version handling. (not trivial anymore in the bts)
08:58<themill>Pepper: perhaps you can add to that report that it should be checked with the etchnhalf kernel, otherwise they will just close it as being fixed in lenny and irrelevant to etch.
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08:58<Pepper>themill: any bcc
08:59<themill>Pepper: nah, don't worry about it.
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09:05<fips>jm_: thanks jm, a bug with the kernel and zaptel-source was fixed with 2.6.18-6-k7 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch5), bad audio with asterisk over sip with festival... kernel buffer errors...
09:07<fips>jm_: but there seems to be a bug with purging linux-headers, linux-source etc packages... i didnt remove linux-kbuild package or dir...
09:07<fips>jm_: thnaks have a nive day
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09:16<jm_>Wesley: do it in chroot if it's happening during installation
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09:23<Eaxexe>Hello :) I'm trying to start my installation of Debian Etch on my Acer TravelMate 4310 Laptop. But the boot halts at "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" Any help? :)
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09:25<Nemoder>Eaxexe: how long did you wait? perhaps it is trying to connect to a DHCP server and needs to time out first
09:26<Eaxexe>Nemoder: Right now I've waited about 5 minutes or so
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09:27<Nemoder>Eaxexe: does this happen when trying to start the installer or after it's installed and booting up?
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09:28<Eaxexe>Nemoder: After it's installed and booting up
09:28<Nemoder>also that warning about IPv6 is normal, it's whatever it is trying to load afterwards that is freezing
09:29<Eaxexe>Okay :S What can I do?
09:29<Eaxexe>Be Right Back
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09:30<veronicaprimera>hello. some comuniti ubuntu spanish?
09:30<dpkg>methinks sp is troubled: you stats pimp!
09:30<Maulkin>#ubuntu-es on ?
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09:32<veronicaprimera>ok thank maulkin
09:32<veronicaprimera>i am new user. today install ubuntu
09:33<Nemoder>this channel is for debian support, not ubuntu
09:33<veronicaprimera>sorry. my ubuntu irc is debian
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09:34<Zathraz>Hi. I am looking for an HowTo on how to migrate from a LVM install single disk to an RAID-1/LVM install dual disk without reinstall
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09:35<Zathraz>plenty of howto's. Just have not found what I am looking for yet. Any pointers please?
09:35<themill>veronicaprimera: there is a kubuntu-default-settings package that you should install
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09:37<philsf> suggests to set the QMAIL_DIR in /etc/login.defs, but in that same file there's a statement that this var is obsolete. is the wiki outdated, or is it still recommended?
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09:42<gijs>I'm building deb packages for nfdump. I've created one in Ubuntu with dh_make and edited debian files.
09:42<gijs>In control file is: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} which autocreates deb dependecy to libc6 >= 2.4, which doesn't work for debian etch. How do I compile/edit control file so it works for debian the correct debianized way? anybody idea?
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09:43<Eaxexe>Hello :) I'm back abgain. Sorry I had to go
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09:45<Eaxexe>Could anyone help me with my issue? After I've installed Debian via NetInst on my Acer TravelMate 4310 it freezes upon boot. The last line that loads is "eth0: no IPv6 routers present". Any ideas?
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09:55<Nemoder>Eaxexe: you could try hitting ctrl-alt-f2 to see if virtual consoles work, or boot up a rescue disc and check log files for any errors
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09:56<Eaxexe>Nemoder: I tried hitting ctrl+alt+f2 and all it shows me is a blinking "_"
09:57<Nemoder>but it cleared the screen?
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09:57<Eaxexe>When I pust ctrl+alt+f1 it goes back
09:57<Nemoder>so the kernel isn't locked up, it's just failing to login
09:58<Eaxexe>Hmm weird :S What can I do about it?
09:58<Nemoder>i'm not sure, one thing you might try is disconnecting it from the network entirely and then rebooting
09:58<Eaxexe>Just holding the powerbuttoon down?
09:59<Nemoder>yeah if ctrl-alt-del doesn't work
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10:00<first-lafs>Does anyone know how to setup video project to Debian GNU/Linux?
10:01<Eaxexe>Right now it hangs at "ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (Battery absent) ae" It can't detect the batteri but that's an old issue I can't solve either. But it just haangs there
10:01<first-lafs>When I plugged in a video projector X Window fails..
10:01<Eaxexe>Okay, it moved
10:01<first-lafs> projector...
10:02<Nemoder>Eaxexe: I searched google for Acer TravelMate 4310 and your name comes up on the 2nd link :)
10:03<Eaxexe>Nemoder: Cool :P Wait lemme guess, Ubuntu forums? :P
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10:04<Eaxexe>Hehe :P From my days of trying Ubuntu. Liked it but not enough flexibility :) Right now it hangs at "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver"
10:04<first-lafs>Does anyone know how to setup video project to Debian GNU/Linux?
10:04<first-lafs>When I plugged in a video projector X Window fails..
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10:05<first-lafs>Does anyone know how to setup video projector to Debian GNU/Linux?
10:05<first-lafs>When I plugged in a video projector X Window fails..
10:05<gsimmons>!tell first-lafs -about repeat
10:05<themill>first-lafs: we saw you the first 2 times
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10:06<nevyn>first-lafs: define video projector?
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10:07<themill>nevyn: data projector, beamer, etc
10:08<nevyn>what resolution? with what connection?
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10:09<themill>nevyn: he's gone so it's a bit irrelevant, but I'll bet a VGA cable at 1024x768 or less. And it's a big faff getting it to work under xorg :(
10:09<nevyn>640x480 -> 1920x1080 with VGA DVI COMPONENT HDMI are all possible
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10:09<nevyn>themill: you just need the correct modeline from the mythtv wiki ;)
10:10<nevyn>themill: 16:9 "Home Theatre" modes are painful the EDID data is useless.
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10:11<themill>nevyn: but if you're going into a random lecture theatre to give a presentation, then it needs to be hotpluggable. You don't want to have to fiddle with xorg.conf and restart X a few times when you're trying to deliver a talk at a conference...
10:11<Eaxexe>Nemoder: It's hanging at "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver" any idea?
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10:13<nevyn>themill: in which case. you need a graphic chipset that supports xrandr 1.2 and to use xrandr --output VGA --auto
10:14<nevyn>themill: saying projector doesn't imply that use case (at least to me)
10:14<themill>nevyn: indeed. which needs xorg 7.3 which isn't in etch.
10:14<themill>nevyn: true. But it does to me :)
10:14<Nemoder>Eaxexe: no idea without being able to see error logs, the only thing I can think that would halt it is a faulty driver or hard drive going south
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10:14<nevyn>themill: the projector that I use most often is the one in my living room
10:14<nevyn>the one in the office boardroom get's used much less ;)
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10:15<themill>nevyn: Maybe I will upgrade to lenny soon and have a play with that. It would be handy to have that working properly.
10:15<Eaxexe>Nemoder: When I boot in "Single User Mode" it works. Though I have to start X manually..
10:16<nevyn>themill: sid ftw
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10:16<themill>nevyn: no, I prefer to work with my computer rather than on it.
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10:17<Nemoder>Eaxexe: it might be worth wiping the partition and starting the install over, I don't know what would cause that
10:17<nevyn>themill: just saying ;)
10:18<Eaxexe>Nemoder: I've done that before. Didn't work :S
10:18<themill>nevyn: so does xrandr 1.2 work nicely for projector hotplugging?
10:18<Eaxexe>Nemoder: BUt right now I'm logged in as root in the terminal
10:18<nevyn>themill: it depends
10:18<Eaxexe>Nemoder: Via "Single user mode"
10:19<nevyn>themill: if the EDID of the projector/screen is not BS then it works great.
10:19<themill>nevyn: ahh. And if it is, then you're up the creek with it? Or can you manually override stuff from the command line without resorting to bouncing X a few times.
10:19<nevyn>themill: if the EDID lies (many 16:9 displays including my Epson TW200H projector) then you get something that goes.. but it's not 1:1 pixels
10:20<Nemoder>Eaxexe: you can check dmesg output, or /var/log/* it's a bit past my bedtime so maybe somebody else can help ya from there
10:20<nevyn>themill: you can feed an entire modeline to the running X session using xrandr
10:20<Eaxexe>Nemoder: Okay, thanks a lot for your help :)
10:20<themill>nevyn: nice. Thanks for the tips. I've filed them away for future reference for when this is a reality not a hypothetical :)
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10:22*nevyn mutters that it's worked for at least 18 months ;)
10:22<nevyn>oh.. query from earlier today
10:23<themill>nevyn: with xrandr1.2 yes, but not under etch :) I mean *my* reality...
10:23<nevyn>is the prng only used to generate keys or is it used in session init as well ;)
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10:24<nevyn>so if you have the broken ssl and you install good host keys generated on a fixed openssl/openssh are sessions to that system still vulnerable?
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10:25<nevyn>themill: I reject your reality and substitute my own ;)
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10:35<sheldonh>hmmm... anyone else seeing etch-volatile's spamd run away at 100% cpu per process?
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10:40<sheldonh>i wonder if --round-robin might not fix this
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10:42<excite>linux sucks ass
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11:32<cvstealth>I have a debian etch box that for some reason is sourcing traffic from an eth0:1 alias instead of the ip on eth0, i've verified that the routing table looks ok and this behavior with tcpdump running on the host, does anyone have any ideas as to why this behavior is happening?
11:33<mikegrb>that's just the way the cookie crumbles
11:33<mikegrb>can reverse the order of the ips and the traffic will now come from the original ip again
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11:34<enouf>does the alias ifaces even show up under sysctl -a ?
11:35<cvstealth>the ips and aliases are in sequential order IE eth0 is .167 eth0:1 is .168, eth0:2 is .169 ...etc to eth0:7
11:36<cvstealth>the eth0 device does show up in sysctl
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11:36<cvstealth>the only features set in /etc/sysctl.conf are syncookies and kernel.domainname
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11:37<cvstealth>should it matter if the first alias is eth0:1 instead of eth0:0 ?
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11:37<petemc>oh, wait /me reads back
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11:38<petemc>in my experience, it will set the source as the last interface brought up
11:41<gsimmons>cvstealth: Use the local loopback (lo:*) for your aliases instead. This comes up every so often on mailing lists.
11:41<cvstealth> if that helps that is the settings in /etc/network/interfaces and the current ifconfig/routing info
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11:42<cvstealth>I don't see an alias on the loopback device
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11:43<gsimmons>cvstealth: No, you establish/rename them (eg. lo:1, lo:2, etc) as appropriate.
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11:44<cvstealth>so moving eth0:1 67.X.X.168 to lo:1 will be accessible to the world?
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11:50<cvstealth>ok I moved the .174 address to lo:1 and it is still accessible from the world, thanks for the information. Is there any reasoning for this type of behavior?
11:50<petemc>how does that work?
11:50<maxb>Actually, I'm not sure it even needs to be lo:1
11:51<maxb>Binding additional addresses to lo seems to work for the kernel to consider them local
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11:53<Eaxexe>Hello :) I finally installed Debian (4.0) succesfully. But I have no wired internet :S Can anyone tell me why that is?
11:54<petemc>do you still specify loopback for the aliased lo interfaces?
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11:54<Managaia>hello, me too i have a problem : this one :
11:54<petemc>Eaxexe: does ifconfig -a show more than lo ?
11:55<Managaia>i'm trying to download my kernel headers but :
11:55<Managaia>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
11:55<Managaia> linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable
11:55<Managaia>on a pat on linux-headers
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11:56<Eaxexe>petemc: Yes it shows eth0 and sit0
11:56<themill>Managaia: that kernel is no longer available in debian. You'll either need to upgrade your kernel or see if you can get the kbuild package from snapshots. /msg dpkg snapshots
11:56<petemc>Eaxexe: so it just needs configured
11:56<labebeflow>alguien habla en español
11:57<Eaxexe>petemc: Great thanks :) But excuse me for my stupid question, how do I do that?
11:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:57<Managaia>themill : and what can i do ? very sorry, but i'm a begginer
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11:57<petemc>Eaxexe: /etc/network/interfaces , man 5 interfaces for the syntax, after you've done that, ifup eth0
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11:58<labebeflow>hi chicos
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11:58<themill>Managaia: can you give us the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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11:59<labebeflow>hi aleex
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11:59<themill>Managaia: why are you running lenny if you're a beginner to all this?
12:00<Eaxexe>petemc: What do you mean?
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12:00<Managaia>because the sarge version do not recognize my screen ^^
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12:00<themill>Managaia: heard of etch?
12:00<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
12:01<Eaxexe>petemc: I opened the file in gedit. what should I do?
12:01<petemc>Eaxexe: do you see anything that mentions eth0 ?
12:01<Eaxexe>petemc: Yes: allow-hotplug eth0 and auto eth0
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12:02<Managaia>themill -> so you tell me it would be easier on etch ?
12:02<petemc>Eaxexe: does it say below that, iface eth0 inet dhcp ?
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12:02<themill>Managaia: all these things are easier when you're using stable not testing. Stable is stable... packages like kbuild don't just disappear on you because things have moved on.
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12:03<Managaia>ok, i'm googleling etch
12:03<Eaxexe>petemc: No beneath iface lo inet loopback
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12:04<petemc>Eaxexe: do you use dhcp ?
12:04<Eaxexe>petemc: I'm gonna try to change that lo to eth0. But I have to go for about 30 minutes now :S Thanks a lot for your help :) Will be back later
12:04<petemc>Eaxexe: dont do thatr
12:05<Managaia>themill -> i think you're right, i'm installing a net-install etch ^^ and i hope it will be easier ;p
12:05<Managaia>thank you
12:05<themill>Managaia: good luck :)
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12:13<sheldonh>haha! i removed the apt_all plugin and now munin's grafting *beam*
12:13<sheldonh>pretty pictures *drool*
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12:28<Eaxexe>Petemc: Didn't do it :) Back now. What's dchp?
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12:32<sheldonh>Eaxexe: the wikipedia entry on DHCP is excellent. see the first paragraph plus the section Applicability
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12:33<Eaxexe>shldonh: Thanks :) Problem is I don't know how it applies to my problem (which is that I cannot to on the internet on a wired connection)
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12:37<Eaxexe>Hello :) I finally installed Debian (4.0) succesfully. But I have no wired internet :S Can anyone tell me why that is? It seems like I'm missing some interfaces in "etc/network/interfaces"
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12:38<mikes>Eaxexe: please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
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12:38<mikes>Eaxexe: do u get ip adress via dhcp?
12:39<Eaxexe>mikes: I'd love to :) but I can't :( I don't have internet access on it as it is (that's the problem). Should I manually write it to pastebin?
12:39<mikes>no no you don't have to do it
12:39<Eaxexe>mikes: I actually don't know. I'm on my schools network. It worked on my former Ubuntu installation
12:39<mikes>ok ok
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12:40<mikes>Eaxexe: you propably need the following lines
12:40<mikes>auto eth0
12:40<mikes>iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:41<Eaxexe>it has "auto eth0"
12:41<mikes>in your /etc/network/interfaces, then /etc/init.d/networking restart && ifup eth0
12:41<Eaxexe>And "iface eth0 inet dhcp" is there to.
12:41<mikes>so you have to be sure that the network youre plugged uses dhcp
12:42<Eaxexe>I'm pretty sure it does.
12:42<mikes>Eaxexe: you do not have internet connection at all, or is it too slow??
12:42<mikes>it may also be a dns problem
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12:43<Eaxexe>mikes: I is connected. But I can't access the network
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12:44<themill>Eaxexe: do you see an entry for eth0 in: ifconfig -a
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12:44<Eaxexe>themill: Yes
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12:44<Eaxexe>By the way, on " /etc/init.d/networking restart && ifup eth0" it stated "No DHCPOFFERS received"
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12:48<mikes>Eaxexe: do an /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
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12:48<Eaxexe>mikes: Okay, trying now :)
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12:49<themill>Eaxexe: are you sure it's a dhcp network? When you installed ubuntu previously, did you have to specify IP addresses?
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12:49<Eaxexe>themill: No I must admit I'm not sure on it. I did not have to specify it in any way
12:49<mikes>Eaxexe: as i read your error means that there is no dhcp server in your network
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12:50<Eaxexe>Mikes: Yeah, that's what I mean :S
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12:50<themill>mikes: or it doesn't want to give out an offer... it might be picky about what mac addresses it gives dhcp offers too
12:51<Eaxexe>themill: It's not. I've used this network for about a year now. It's not picky in any way :S
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12:52<Eaxexe>Manually setting the IP didn't work :S
12:52<themill>Eaxexe: hmm.... you're plugged in? have connectivity? (lights flashing in appropriate places?)
12:52<Eaxexe>themill: Yes I am :)
12:53<fxiny>any firewall ?
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12:53<Eaxexe>fxiny: Nope
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12:56<Eaxexe>mieks: /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart - How do I do that? just typing it in the terminal doesn't work :S
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12:56<OdyX>I don't think dhcpd is installed per default..
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12:57<Eaxexe>Odyx. manually setting it didn't work :S
12:57<OdyX>I know..
12:57<OdyX>Eaxexe: trying in a "known" place could help...
12:57<fxiny>are you using dhcp3-client ?
12:58<Eaxexe>fxiny: What do you mean?
12:58<Eaxexe>Odyx: Huh?
12:58<fxiny>what's your dhcp client ?
12:59<Eaxexe>fxiny: On the server or my computer?
12:59<fxiny>your computer
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12:59<Eaxexe>fxiny: How do I see it? :)
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13:00<Eaxexe>By the way. I can't ping anything :S
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13:05<donfede>what was the env variable so that make runs only 1 job at a time (even with a multi-core cpu)?
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13:07<fxiny>Eaxexe: can't find a better tutorial , this one is for woody but dont' worry . just read it , if you want you can try dhcp3-client
13:08<Eaxexe>fxiny: Thanks a lot :) Will try it :)
13:08<fxiny>Eaxexe: np
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13:19<francesca>kome va?
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13:20<giulia>chiaara come va
13:21<francesca>ki parla cn me?
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13:22<giulia>chiara come va
13:22<fxiny>go awat
13:22<Eaxexe>Please speak english :)
13:22<francesca>go awey
13:23<francesca>they speak eitalian?
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13:23<fxiny>dirty lorry drivers couple :P
13:23<giulia>va a quel paese
13:23<chiara>sto bene grazie
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13:23<themill>francesca, chiara, giulia: please play your games elsewhere
13:24<francesca>can you repeat please
13:24<francesca>i don't know
13:24<fxiny>shutdown sequence initiated
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13:24<chiara> buna Natal STRONZA
13:25<giulia>senti u nattimo cocca con chi stai parlando
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13:25<themill>!ops can you get francesca, chiara, giulia to play elsewhere (same IP)
13:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: can you get francesca, chiara, giulia to play elsewhere (same IP)
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13:26<fxiny>if you have nothing else to do , go and tide up Naples streets :P
13:26<fxiny>themill: :)))
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13:35<Number9>hello debian channel :)
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13:36<Number9>i have a question--has xfce been deprectiated?
13:37<Number9>and if so--whats replaced it?
13:37<fxiny>it's called xfce4
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13:38<Number9>fxiny: so thats why apt-get install xfce returns cant find an installition candidate?
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13:39<fxiny>Number9: yes , no super cow powers :)
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13:46<joschan>Hi - i am using an etch box as a syslogd service and my ip phone sends log messages. I was not able to direct the messages from the phone to a separate file. How can I identify the phone in the syslog.conf ?
13:47<joschan>I have entries on the syslog from the phone with the tags "noname GS_LOG:"
13:47<joschan>noname would be the network name and GS_LOG is where there stands "kernel" or "cron" on the other lines
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13:50<Number9>ok thank you for that info fxiny
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13:53<joschan>How can I make a line in my syslog.conf file that writes log messages for the phone to a different file?
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13:54<joschan>I tried "noname.Ü* /var/log/phone" and also "GS_LOG .."
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14:00<joschan>I found how to direct syslog to another host (right side of each line), but how can I filter messages coming from a client?
14:01<joschan>e.g. "@noname /var/log/noname.log"
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14:04<OdyX>joschan: I don't know much, but try to look to rsyslog or other alternatives which seem to be more configurable..
14:04*fxiny loads a couple of pizza-road-sweepers for next macca link lorry-drivers strike
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14:07<fxiny>super lame macca : 22 is open :P
14:08*fxiny sends a sweeper through the hole : catch (my) 22 macca!
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14:09<zen__>hia, is there any specific channel, where i can find irssi scripts support?
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14:10<joschan>OdyX: thank you
14:11<OdyX>my pleasure
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14:16<fxiny>gone for goods :P
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14:33<OdyX>bots bots bots...
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14:35<ant_>ciao :-)
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14:35<noflash>Alessia, have a debian question?
14:36<noflash>Alessia, this is a debian support channel
14:36<noflash>not a chat channel
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14:36<ant_>i have on : which is the most light weight window manager? so if i have a very old and slow machine...
14:37<OdyX>ant_: this will be subject to trolls ;) anyway, SliTaZ uses JWM so, it is probably light...
14:37<fxiny>get a tiling one
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14:38<ant_>ok thanks
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14:40<giulia__>ciao a
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14:45<cram>I have a problem with a debian server stable 4.0 r3
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14:45<OdyX>which is...
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14:47<cram>some body there?
14:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:47<cram>i have a problem with debian 4.0 r3
14:48<azeem>you already said that
14:48<cram>i am trying to share the internet
14:48<cram>with 2 pcs
14:49<cram>i did make the rules to forward, and masquerade, but i can ping to internet, but cannot browse
14:49<cram>what could be the problem?
14:49<E0x>the name server in /etc/resolv.conf
14:49<azeem>well, can you ping, e.g.?
14:49<cram>i have the domain name there
14:50<OdyX>from all the PC's ?
14:50<cram>i can ping and it solve the name to address, eg
14:50<OdyX>have you tried different addresses (to ensure you are not under cache effects ?)
14:51<cram>i disabled all the firewall rules and squid, etc
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14:51<E0x>squid ?
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14:52<E0x>maye you forget take off the proxy settings from the browser
14:52<cram>I had squid and shorewall configured on the server
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14:53<cram>no, to test i put a simple firewall script only with the forward and masquerade rules
14:53<cram>and it doesn't work
14:53<fxiny>but shorewall will
14:53<E0x>hmm maybe the rul of forward of port 80 to the proxy server remain
14:53<cram>i stop the squid, then reboot the server
14:54<cram>and the problem remains
14:54<OdyX>reboot is in most cases not the solution
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14:54<cram>i uninstall the shorewall and the squid
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14:55<cram>then rebooted, and set the basic rules to browse
14:55<cram>but it doesn't work
14:55<fxiny>why reboot ?
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14:56<NinjaMan>hi cram
14:56<cram>to see if it works from the begining
14:56<fxiny>stop squid , rm squid cache
14:56<NinjaMan>cram: so when you type dig you get the ip address for google?
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14:56<fxiny>and set your shorewall conf
14:57<NinjaMan>cram: what browser are you using?
14:57<Eaxexe>Hello :) How do I enable "contrib & non-free"?
14:57<Eaxexe>in sources.list that is :)
14:57<NinjaMan>cram: and have you made sure there are no proxy entries?
14:58<NinjaMan>cram: depends on which browser you are using
14:58<cram>ok, yes in the browsers
14:58<cram>there are no proxies settings
14:58<NinjaMan>cram also execute 'echo $http_proxy' in your console and ensure that no proxy is set in your environment
14:59<cram>I have 2 servers, one that is working fine with testing
14:59<cram>let me see
14:59<E0x>cram: iptables -F , sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 , iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o (here-interface-with-internet) -j MASQUERATE ,
14:59<E0x>( without reboot )
15:00<NinjaMan>cram: what exactly is your network config?
15:00<NinjaMan>cram: modem --> firewall box -> Internal network with 2 machines ?
15:00<cram>internal net with to pcs
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15:01<cram>i have a new server, and need to install it to migrate some services
15:01<NinjaMan>cram: which box is connected to the internet directly via a modem/router
15:02<cram>i have a server with 2 network adapters eth0 (lan) and eth1 (wan)-->dsl modem
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15:02<NinjaMan>ok and 2 pc's are connected via a hub/switch to eth0 on your server ?
15:04<NinjaMan>cram ok and all of the interfaces have ipv4 addresses assigned to them?
15:04<cram>yes, how can I verify that?
15:04<NinjaMan>cram e.g. eth0 and eth1 on the server + the network interfaces on the 2 pcs
15:05<NinjaMan>on the server running debian linux - sudo ifconfig -a
15:05<NinjaMan>cram: and see if each interface has a dotted quad address (i.e. an ipv4) address
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15:05<cram> Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:14:5E:20:1E:0D
15:05<cram> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
15:05<cram> inet6 addr: fe80::214:5eff:fe20:1e0d/64 Scope:Link
15:05<cram> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
15:05<cram> RX packets:20464 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
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15:06<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
15:07<cram>yes, all are ipv4
15:07<NinjaMan>cram: so which interface did you just paste?
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15:07<NinjaMan>cram: ok I see you have ipv6 addresses assigned to
15:08<NinjaMan>cram: next check your routing table
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15:08<NinjaMan>cram: are you actually using ipv6?
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15:08<thonit>I'm looking for soma advice how to install a 3,5" sony sdx500cl tape backup in a free 5,25" slot. At which channel can I get that?
15:08<cram>this is a new server, it's clean installation
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15:09<NinjaMan>cram: paste your routing table to pastebin
15:09<NinjaMan>and copy the link in here
15:09<cram>i need to disconnect a moment, i'll be right back
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15:16<jla>I'm looking for a hardware inventory system similar to ocs inventory and glpi. I only want to track hardware in debian servers so I can be a little more proactive about replacing aging systems or components.
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15:19<jla>It would be really nice if hardware issues, like those noticed by smartd or mdadm, could be gathered under the server and hardware device in a report.
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15:24<cram_>the route table is
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15:25<cram_> U 0 0 0 eth0
15:25<cram_> U 0 0 0 eth1
15:25<cram_> UG 0 0 0 eth1
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15:27<cram_>someone remember the problem with debian 4.0 server?
15:27<cram_>i was talking about it, but i need to connect the new server
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15:37<NinjaMan>hi cram_
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15:37<cram_>hi ninjaman
15:38<NinjaMan>cram_: ok so your routing table and interface configuration look fine
15:38<NinjaMan>cram_ and presumably your resolv.conf is fine because you can resolve domain names to ip addresses
15:39<NinjaMan>cram_ : ping works on your server, but does it work on your pcs?
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15:40<cram_>yes, in pcs and server
15:40<linux>hello, can you tell me the name of sidux official channel?
15:41<NinjaMan>cram_: ok, what exactly happens when you open a browser?
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15:42<cram_>it says nothing and wait a long time, then it says cannot open the site
15:42<NinjaMan>can you use a web browser on your server?
15:43<ali3n0>cram_: what if you telnet on port 80? something like "telnet 80"
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15:45<cram_>on the server and the workstation it works fine with telnet
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15:46<ali3n0>cram_: so it's definitely not a firewall issue
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15:47<ali3n0>can you try a different browser?
15:48<NinjaMan>cram_ do you use moblock or something similar?
15:48<cram_>yes sure
15:48<cram_>i used firefox
15:48<cram_>mozilla firefox
15:48<cram_>and lynx
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15:49<ali3n0>cram_: my knowledge ends sorry :( I mean, I can't see any clear reason of why packets go but not for browsers. I suppose no proxy set up into browsers settings
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15:51<NinjaMan>cram_: have you in the past tried to set-up transparent proxying?
15:51<dobian>cram_: here?
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15:54<cram_>yes i did
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15:56<dobian>sidux is the karaoke ;p
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15:58<angelo>hi, Ive got a TX2300 card and a raid setup in the bios ... but what /dev is my raid drive then ?? I have SDA and SDB but those are just the drive seperatly
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16:04<imatsu>please helpme with sarg, access_log /var/log/dansguardian/access.log - violation of the segment, any ideas?
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16:06<add_harddrive>Hi, I added a hdd, and format and mkfs, but then I made a change to /etc/fstab, how do I make the change take affect without rebooting?
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16:07<bigjocker>add_harddrive, umount/remount the drive
16:08<add_harddrive>bigjocker, ooh, thanks, I can't believe that didn't occur to me
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16:09<jla>angelo: without help from a kernel driver, the fakeraid device doesn't do raid in linux. you can investigate into fakeraid or go easy (and more portable) with the md driver
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16:10<angelo>jla fakeraid ? the tx2300 is real hw raid right ?
16:10<jla>angelo: I didn't look up the card. that was a guess based on your description. A 'real' raid device will need it's own module loaded and not appear as two disks.
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16:11<jla>at 65.00 I'm not so sure its hw raid
16:11<angelo>jla ah ok :) hmm .. but I can make raid arreys in the cards bios
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16:12<jla>angelo: have you googled linux TX2300?
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16:12<ariel_>hola a todos alguien por aca ha implementado el spamassasin sobre qmail
16:12<angelo>jla doing it as we speak
16:13<angelo>jla but I dont know exactly where to look for
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16:13<jla>pc onboard promise controlers appear to do raid stuff in bios but they are fakeraid. idk about this one
16:13<imatsu>ariel_, busca en el canal debian-es
16:13<jla>the first hit I got said 'requires propriatary driver, works with kernel 2.4'
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16:14<jla>the next is to promise's site and mentions 2.6
16:14<angelo>jla ok .. so I should load the md driver module I guess
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16:14<jla>you could try promise's driver
16:14<angelo>lemme try to find ... downloaded drivers can I compile into kernel ?
16:14<jla>I suggest finding someone saying "this _is_ or this _is not_ hardware raid", if it's fake, I'd md
16:15<angelo>whats the downside of MD ....?
16:15<ariel_>gracias imatsu
16:15<ariel_>estoy en ello
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16:16<jla>checksumming in the cpu vs offloading work to the raid card. If it's not really hardware raid (again at $65.00...) but really fakeraid, youre still doing most work in the cpu
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16:16<jla>also bandwidht, moving it from the pci bus to the raid card and it's drive bus
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16:17<angelo>jla ah ok ... well its a replacement for my old DAC960... so I guess even at fakeraid it would show me some better performances
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16:18<jla>a few md perks (partially mentioned): you can move the disks to another machine easier. mdadm can monitor and do cool stuff with spare disks.
16:18<jla>md is built into your kernel now
16:19<jla>hw raid vs md? probably hw raid, but that's enterprise lvl stuff. md vs fakeraid? I'd md.
16:19<clawfinger>have anybody run debian on fmv 650cm8 laptop
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16:19<angelo>yea I see ... how do I set up MD ... you have a good manpage ?
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16:19<jla>software raid howto is good
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16:19<jla>ignore the raidtools stuff, focus on the mdadm bits
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16:20<sysk>ariel_: N.E.R.D.S. ?
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16:20<angelo>can I use the redhat drivers on the promis webpage ?
16:21<jla>they are probably built against a specfic redhat kernel. it's not impossible, just not probable and definatly not easy to make that work on your debian system.
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16:21<angelo>lol ill skipp that then
16:21<jla>tell bios it's not raid, try md for a bit and see what you think.
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16:22<angelo>ok so in the controller bios I should set 2 seperate drives ?
16:23<jla>it sounds like it's showing up that way anyway, but yes. I would do that just so it's not confusing the next time you check "raid settings" in bios.
16:23<angelo>hmm so in essence that means I bought a raidcard for nothing :P
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16:24<jla>maybe. research that card more while md's going. find out for sure if it's fake raid or not. if it is, read up on fakeraid
16:24<TCW>samba related folks around? I'd like to discuss the user / group / machine scripts one must define in smb.conf to add / modfy users and groups from a windows box (using srvtools.exe for example)
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16:25<TCW>angelo, I just joined... what card do you have?
16:25<jla>angelo: at least you got some more drive ports :)
16:25<angelo>TCW tx2300
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16:25<TCW>angelo, promise?
16:25<angelo>TCW yea
16:25<angelo>jla ... that makes me so much happier :P
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16:26<TCW>angelo, have a look at it is a fakeraid card. I don't advixe using dmraid, if possible use linux softraid
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16:26<TCW>advise even
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16:27<angelo>so whats the difference between fakeraid and dmraid then ?
16:27<TCW>angelo, it is no difference... dmraid ist the piece of software that let's you use the fake raid ability "a bit" for some fakeraid controllers
16:28<TCW>angelo, but as dmraid is not tested as thouroughly as mdadm / linux softraid and has almost NO advatage and just disadvantages... use mdadm, kick dmraid
16:29<TCW>but... ymmv :)
16:29<angelo>just checking ;)
16:30<angelo>but what is fakeraid then ? is it like a driver to support the card bios to fake the raid together... or does like fully do the raid thing on its own and is haveing the drives show up as seperate be enough to start with ?
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16:30<jla>angelo: the 'raid' on your card does next to nothing usually. fake raid devices pretend to be raid long enough for the OS to boot (and with raid1 there isn't even anything necessary to fake)
16:31<angelo>oh ok :)
16:31<TCW>angelo, fakeraid is just a word that linux users created to difference REAL hardware raid controllers with cheap COntrollers that offer just very litel real raid functionality... so they called it "fake raid"
16:31<jla>real raid looks like one device
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16:32<yo>Hi, I have a question: how can I configure video modes in debian? I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it only reconfigures keyboard-related settings.
16:32<jla>even in windows, the bios bits enable booting off of a raid0 set, but don't do much after that
16:32<angelo>euhm im reading the page .. but im a right to understand that dmraid is 2.6 ? so in order to do fakeraid I should switch back to 2.4 ?
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16:32<jla>just don't do it! :)
16:32<TCW>yep... with a real raid controller ( like mylex, lsi logic, 3ware, icp vortex) you'd just have one device and can install on that device an operating system, and the OS will never know it sits on a raid device
16:33<jla>yo strange. try -pmedium or -plow
16:33<jla>it should have given you a list of resolutions at step 3-4(ish)
16:33<yo>i will try
16:34<yo>same result
16:34<jla>dpgk-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg didn't ask you a ton of questions, like sync range?
16:35<yo>the first question is about using kernel's framebuffer or not
16:35<yo>and afterwards all questions are keyboard-related
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16:35<jla>it sounds like it's dying while trying to probe the hardware
16:35<jla>or something wierd.
16:35<clawfinger>HELP!!! Have anybody configured touchscreen on fmv laptop?
16:37<jla>have you tried both options w/ the framebuffer question? (grasping at straws here :) ). you can check logs too
16:37<yo>using -plow I obtain this message "This is a fake template used to pre-seed the debconf database. If you are seeing this, something is probably wrong"
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16:39<yo>yes, I tried both framebuffer options
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16:39<Woet>how is it possible all the files in /etc/init.d/ are chmodded to 755 by default?
16:39<yo>X is working but some of the video modes I can choose from are broken (59Hz instead of 60Hz)
16:39<angelo>im playing with dmraid.... it says my raid set is already active .. but as what dev should it show up then ?
16:40<Woet>isnt it extremely dangerous people can start/stop my SSH?!
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16:41<jla>Woet: have you tried doing this as a normal user? :)
16:41<ant_>yo: you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf... there's a section for the resolution
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16:41<Woet>jla: yes.
16:42<jla>and it let you stop sshd?
16:42<Woet>it doesnt
16:42<Woet>i see
16:42<Woet>well, i still thought it would be weird :P
16:43<supaman>running /etc/init.d/ssh stop stops the sshd
16:43<yo>ant_, yes, I tried, but how do I compute all the parameters needed? I don't know much about video modes, only want to change the vertical refresh rate
16:43<jla>supaman: as a normal user?
16:43<supaman>jla: nope, superuser
16:43<angelo>hi I got it working :)
16:43<jla>k, scroll up to check what Woet was talking about
16:43<angelo>but final question
16:44<angelo>where does dmraid store its information ? I mean if my system crashes and I need to replace the systemdisk .. will my raid + data on it be history ?
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16:44<ant_>yo: oh yes that's a problem. either you google for your screen and check what refresh rate it has, or maybe theres a sticker on your screen where the supported refresh rate is written down... don't know how to do this with a software tool... :-(
16:45<jla>I don't do dmraid. sorry. idk. I know how md/softraid does it
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16:45<ant_>however there should be one, as far as i know...
16:45<ant_>a tool to do that...
16:45<angelo>jla does what ? store it on the systemdisk ?
16:45<yo>I know it should be 1280x800x60Hz, but don't know what are VTimings, HTimings and all the stuff
16:47<jla>if you set the partition to 0xfd it will write persistant superblock data to each disk. also you can write a config file out using mostly the output of mdadm --detail --scan
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16:48<yo>mmm I will fill a bug report against xorg.conf man page, it's not very useful.
16:48<angelo>hmm ok
16:48<yo>for nebbies
16:48<angelo>is there someone who uses dmraid ?
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16:49<jla>yo The "something is wrong" message from dpkg-reconfigure deserves some investigation. You could purge and re-install x to see if that helps. check your logs, verify you have disk space in /var, etc.
16:49<yo>ok, I will investigate that
16:50<yo>when I installed debian it worked ok, but then uninstalled gnome and installed xmonad, and refresh rate became wrong
16:50<lucas_amorim>hello, I once had a problem that applications were not finding in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules so I got here and someone told me to insert this path in a certain file and run a certain command I cant remember, and that solved the problem. Thing is that I had to reinstall the system and now I am having the very same problem. I think its a bug in lenny.
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16:51<lucas_amorim>does anyone know what is this file and what is this command?
16:52<supaman>lucas_amorim: have a look at man ldconfig
16:52<cbecht>yo: You can set resolution and refresh rate on-the-fly with xrandr.
16:52<lucas_amorim>supaman: i think thats it lol
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16:53<cbecht>yo: something like 'xrandr -s 1280x800@60' should do what you want.
16:53<yo>I will try
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16:55<yo>toshiba:/home/yo# xrandr -s 1280x800@60
16:55<yo>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
16:55<yo>Xlib: No protocol specified
16:55<yo>Can't open display :0.0
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16:57<yo>sorry, i didn't i could not paste here
16:58<dobian>hehe nvm
16:58<cbecht>yo: No problem. Were you in X when you tried that command, or did you do that from text-mode?
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16:58<yo>first i tried in text mode
16:59<yo>and the message was: cant open display
16:59<cbecht>yo: Yeah. That's cause there was no X server running.
16:59<cbecht>yo: Try it from X.
16:59<yo>afterwards i tried in X as root, and obtained "no protocol specified, cant open display"
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16:59<yo>then I tried as normal user in X, no error message, nothing happened
16:59<cbecht>yo: Hmm. That's odd. What do you get if you just run 'xrandr' with no options?
17:00<yo>as normal user?
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17:00<cbecht>yo: Yes.
17:01<yo>ok, some information is displayed
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17:02<yo>I pasted it
17:03<cbecht>yo: Ok, that seems to indicate that you are running 1280x800 with a 60 Hz refresh rate.
17:03<cbecht>yo: Isn't that what we were trying for?
17:03<yo>but the resolution is the same as before (1240x768)
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17:04<yo>i have to reboot X?
17:04<yo>have I to reboot X?
17:04<cbecht>yo: You shouldn't have to
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17:04<cbecht>yo: The output from xrandr suggests that you are at 1280x800 now. Or at least that that is what xrandr thinks you are at.
17:05<jla>I thought you could only change between configured resolutions without exiting x. Maybe he only has one configured
17:05<cbecht>yo: Where are you seeing the 1240x768?
17:05<yo>I can with ctrl-alt-+
17:05<cbecht>jla: That used to be true. The new X does autoconfig, and xrandr does resolution switching on the fly.
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17:06<yo>but the correct resolution is not among the resolutions I can choose from
17:06<yo>oh, ok
17:06<cbecht>yo: You should be able to run xrandr with arbitrary modes and see your resolution change.
17:07<yo>I used wmxres for that
17:07<cbecht>yo: Try 'xrandr -s 1024x640@60' then 'xrandr -s 1280x800@60' Does the mode change?
17:08<cbecht>yo: If you can get the resolution you want with xrandr, you can stick a line in your .xsession to run it every time you start X.
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17:08<yo>Size 1024x640 not found in available modes
17:08<cbecht>yo: Is your goal to get the 'correct' resolution every time you fire up X, or do want to be able to change resolutions, and want this resolution in the list of options?
17:09<yo>I only need one resolution
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17:10<cbecht>yo: 'xdpyinfo | grep version' What do you get?
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17:10<yo>version number: 11.0
17:11<yo>X.Org version:
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17:11<cbecht>yo: Oh sorry. I gave you a bogus mode. Try 'xrandr -s 800x600@60' and then back to 'xrandr -s 1280x800@60'
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17:12<cbecht>yo: I'm trying to determine if xrandr is actually changing your display resolution at all, or just silently failing.
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17:12<yo>same result, letters are fuzzy
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17:12<cbecht>yo: Ok, but did it change resolution in between?
17:13<yo>yes, resolution changed, I could do that before, the problem is the refresh rate, that is 59Hz instead of 60
17:13<cbecht>yo: Where do you see that?
17:14<yo>using wmressel
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17:15<cbecht>yo: Hmm, I suspect that's just some variance in measuring. I don't think refresh rate would make letters fuzzy. Is the image wobbly or anything like that?
17:16<yo>yes, images and letters are blurried
17:16<yo>that doesn't happen in other resolutions
17:16<yo>only in 1280x800
17:16<cbecht>yo: yeah, but that sounds like a resolution issue more than refresh rate.
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17:17<cbecht>yo: Maybe subpixel rendering or something
17:17<jla>if you are on lcd it doesn't look right unless you match native resolution
17:17<yo>i checked resolution on windows xp
17:17<yo>it is 1280x800x60
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17:17<yo>at least that is what windows choosed
17:17<jla>that sounds right for a wide aspect lcd. the refresh doesn't matter much. all (older) lcd are 60hz
17:17<cbecht>yo: Well, xrandr reports your mode as 1280x800x60, and wmressel reports 1280x800x59. Taht's basically the same thing.
17:18<cbecht>yo: I don't think it is an issue with the mode.
17:18<cbecht>yo: My biggest suspects would be subpixel rendering and text anti-aliasing.
17:18<cbecht>yo: Can you post a screenshot someplace?
17:19<yo>yes, if I remember what program I used to take screenshots...
17:20<cbecht>yo: scrot maybe?
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17:20<jla>etch gnome desktop default maps print screen key
17:20<yo>the problem is that i dont have gnome, i have xmonad
17:21<yo>I will try scrot
17:21<cbecht>yo: Once you have a screenshot up, do you have another machine handy that you could view it in? That way we'd now if it is the way your fonts are being composed, or the way the image is being displayed on your screen.
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17:22<jla>if scrot doesn't work, I was checking what it mapped to. gnome-screenshot (makes sense). you could try that too
17:22<yo>yes, i will check it in another machine
17:22<yo>mmm i can use a camera, also :)
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17:23<dobian>vi /etc/xorg.conf
17:23<bob_>quick question: what is the easiest way to run debian in text-only?
17:24<dobian> Defaultdepth 32 then
17:24<dobian>Modes "1280x800"
17:24<supaman>bob_: for just right now and you dont mind the X running in the background, then just switch to a text console using ctrl-alt-F1
17:24<yo>i take the screenshot, changed resolution and inspected it. It is not blurried :(
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17:24<yo>i will use the camera
17:24<bob_>supaman: I think I need to kill x completely because I'm trying to install a video driver.
17:25<cbecht>bob_: ctrl+alt+backspace
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17:25<bob_>cbecht: yes, but that brings up the graphical login screen. what do i do from there?
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17:25<Skrat>bob_; switch to another virtual terminal
17:26<supaman>that should restart X if your running a desktop manager like x/k/g/dm
17:26<dobian>miss /etc/x11/xorg.conf thats mean ;p
17:26<Skrat>CTRL+ALT+F1 or F2 etcetera
17:26<bob_>okay. i'll try that
17:26<cbecht>bob_: Those things are configured to respawn. You'll have to /etc/init.d/gdm stop or whatever
17:26<supaman>if you want to kill X completely then find out which dm you are running and stop it using /etc/init.d/gdm stop
17:27<dobian>god damn gnome ;p
17:27<supaman>replace gdm with the dm you use
17:27<bob_>how do i find out which dm i'm using? i mean, it should be metacity.
17:27<bob_>oh wait, that's my window manager sorry
17:27<dobian>i gotta kde
17:27<bob_>yeah, i'm using GNOME.
17:27<cbecht>bob_: If you are using gnome, then gdm most likely
17:27<supaman>bob_: just try /etc/init.d/gdm stop
17:28<supaman>and to start it again replace stop with start
17:28<Skrat>Me has to go
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17:28<Skrat>Bye guise
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17:28<racso>Un saluto a tutto il canale da racso
17:28<dobian>or change run level ;p
17:28<dpkg>one warez list being sent to racso
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17:32<dobian>yo yo
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17:32<yo>wait a minute,i taken the photo, have to save it and upload it
17:33<cbecht>yo: That is an amusing troubleshooting technique.
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17:41<aledream>qualcuno di voi utilizza eclipse??
17:42<aledream>praticamente io ho installato eclipse dai reposity solo che ora non so come attivare l'opzione per sviluppare web
17:42<aledream>come faccio?
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17:44<aledream>usi x caso eclipse?
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17:45<morph_>aledream: here you got to speak english; if you want italian support, please go on #debian-it on freenode network
17:45<yo>ok, I uploaded it:
17:46<yo>the problem is not only text-related, it happens also for images, like the debian logo in xdm, etc.
17:46<cbecht>That is rough looking
17:46<dobian>what is that? ;)
17:46<yo>screeshot of this chanel :p
17:47<aledream>ah ok
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17:47<cbecht>It's odd, the mouse cursor looks ok, but not the text.
17:47<cbecht>yo: Are you familiar with subpixel rendering?
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17:48<ematris>hi guys!
17:48<ematris>how can I install and manage vserver on my debian
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17:49<cbecht>yo: Well, each pixel is made up of a red, green, and blue sub pixel. You can sort of fake having a higher resolution screen by addressing the subpixels separately. It makes the edges of things funny colored, but your eye mostly smooths that out.
17:49<zarchne>ematris: step 1, install the relevant packages.
17:49<ematris>which one?
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17:49<zarchne>ematris: aptitude search vserver
17:49<yo>ah, ok
17:50<cbecht>yo: But for it to work, you have to know which order the pixels are in. If you try to draw on the left most subpixel of a pixel, you need to know which color channel is leftmost.
17:50<ematris>zarchne: by name? ok
17:50<cbecht>yo: So when you configure X, you'll sometimes get the question of whether you have an LCD or CRT. What it is really asking is if you want subpixel rendering or not.
17:51<cbecht>yo: My best guess (and kind of a wild guess at that) as to what went wrong is that you have subpixel rendering on, but the wrong color order.
17:51<zarchne>ematris: in particular, you'll want "vserver-debiantools" and an appropriate kernel.
17:51<cbecht>yo: But off the top of my head, I don't know how to change that.
17:51<yo>how can I change that? on xorg.conf?
17:51<cbecht>yo: I'll have to look around a bit.
17:51<ematris>zarchne: ok, I'm doin it
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17:56<ematris>zarchne: downloading the kernel and headers
17:56<yo>mmm but it doesn't happen only to text, but also to icons, images...
17:56<cbecht>yo: Yeah, that's the part that kinda messes with my theory.
17:57<yo>it's strange that the cursor is not affected
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17:57<cbecht>yo: I was mainly noting that vertical lines seem to be checkerboarded. That makes sense to me if those lines are made up of two columns of pixels side by side and you are rendering subpixels.
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17:58<cbecht>yo: Maybe you have hardware cursor support and that's why the cursor looks ok.
17:58<zarchne>ematris: yeah, you probably don't need the headers unless you have to compile other custom modules. You will have to reboot for the kernel to take effect, of course.
17:58<cbecht>yo: What video card are you using?
17:58<yo>nvidia gforce fx
17:58<ematris>zarchne: I tell you when i'm about to reboot
17:58<cbecht>yo: Are you using the proprietary drivers?
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17:59<zarchne>ematris: Acutally, afterwards and after you've skimmed the docs would be better. And I may not answer right away in any case.
17:59<yo>there is also something strange in the other modes
18:00<yo>mmm how to explain...
18:00<yo>text lines on xchat are truncated
18:00<yo>but I can see the last part of lines if I select them
18:00<ematris>zarchne: ok thanks
18:00<yo>the last few words overlap preceding words if selected
18:01<cbecht>yo: Hmm
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18:02<cbecht>yo: Yeah, this just sounds like the sort of wacky screen layout corruption you sometimes get with broken drivers.
18:02<yo>mmm but then, why it was ok when installed gnome?
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18:02<yo>i did a fresh install of lenny
18:02<yo>removed gnome and X broked
18:03<cbecht>yo: That is just *weird*
18:03<yo>mmm I will try to install afresh again, and see when it brokens
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18:04<cbecht>yo: Good luck. I wish I could have been more help.
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18:04<yo>no problem, many thanks to all
18:04<yo>probably that way I will find which package caused the problem
18:05<mr-bruce>oi its saying nothing
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18:06<mr-bruce>this is the place i expectaed to get help
18:06<mr-bruce>but there is no help
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18:17<ematris>hi guys!
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18:19<ematris>how can i install another os on my debian wit vserver?
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18:22<noflash>ematris, the bot says look here
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18:23<noflash>there is also a #vserver on this network
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18:23<Level2Tech>Hello guru's
18:23<ematris>noflash: thanks
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18:24<yo>bye all
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19:13<mm>I just installed Debian and I get a bunch of errors.
19:14<mm>1. Nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error. ) when I select "Show more details" it has something to do with bonobo.
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19:14<mm>2. There was a problem registering the panel with the bonobo-activation server. The error code is: 3. The panel will now exit.
19:14<mm>3. There was an error starting the Gnome settings daemon.
19:15<mm>This is my first time using Debian. There are no panels or anything now.
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19:17<Level2Tech>some bullshit just happened, I typed startkde and I get kpersonalizer: cannot connect to x server....looks like its stuck in a loop
19:18<Level2Tech>I installed kde using there something else that I need
19:19<doogers>I created a repository online. Now... How can I resolve this Warning/Error? W: Failed to fetch Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
19:21<ematris>how can i use a vserver guest with x11
19:21<chealer>Level2Tech: yes, X11
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19:25<xid>doogers, the path must be >>>
19:26<doogers>xid what?
19:27<doogers>ah... is it problem?
19:28<xid>look at the path of debian's mirror s
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19:28<doogers>I have to change the provision of directory?
19:29<doogers>xid in sourceslist?
19:29<xid>only add that /dists/etch/main/
19:29<doogers>xid in sourceslist?
19:30<themill>doogers: how are you making this repository?
19:30<doogers>yes yes... I'm sleeping XD
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19:30<doogers>so... I created debian directory and binary directory
19:31<doogers>This guide...
19:32<themill>doogers: tools like reprepro make it a lot easier and do it all for you
19:33<doogers>OK... now I try
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19:54<mm>I'm a linux newb and nobody in the Freenode channel help (they assume I know what the fuck I'm doing) so
19:54<amphi>mm: you run debian?
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19:54<mm>On my iMac g3
19:54<mm>And I get a bunch of "the panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFID: xxxxxxx" do you want to delete the applet from your configuration
19:55<mm>and one Nautlius error from Bonobo when attempting to register the file manager view server
19:55<mm>And another "There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon"
19:55<amphi>I don't run gnome, so I can't really help with such things
19:55<mm>The only working panel is the top which only has "Applications, Plaes, Desktop" and three icons.
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19:56<amphi>you could also ask in #debian on freenode, which is somewhat busier
19:56<mm>Okay I will
19:57<mm>Whats a good pastebin? Since I dont want to scroll an IRC with error messages.
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19:57<amphi> usually works for me
19:58<mm>okay i'll go to freenode
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19:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:04<mm> all the errors I get
20:04<Aleric>I forgot where I can add email aliases :/
20:05<Aleric>I use exim4
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20:07<themill>Aleric: /etc/aliases
20:07<Aleric>Thanks... weird, I tried ls *alias* in /etc :/
20:09<Level2Tech>i installed kde onto a bare debian installation...I cant run kde and it says cannot connect to xserver
20:09<Level2Tech>any ideas
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20:11<Aleric>Did you startx first?
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20:12<Level2Tech>says no such file or directory
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20:13<Aleric>apt-get install xserver-xorg
20:13<gravity>Not xserver-xorg
20:13<Aleric>apt-get install xorg
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20:14<themill>dpkg: tell Level2Tech about install x
20:14<Aleric>xstart is part of xinit
20:15<dobian>not term lol
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20:16<Aleric>startx is part of xinit, I mean
20:16<Aleric>youtube deleted my account - I hate them
20:16<dobian>xinit see xorg.conf but.startx see xinitrc i think
20:16<Level2Tech>so I will have to reinstall kde
20:16*Aleric creates three new account - as backup for next time.
20:16<Level2Tech>or not...I did this ass backwards it seems
20:18<dobian>you uped fuckin movie lol
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20:19<Aleric>I make FREE advertisement for movies: people who see my clips all want to see the whole movie! Big increase of income for Sony Pictures. But noooooo, they complain to youtube... Total idiots.
20:20<Aleric>But I learned a lesson: store your favourites on a seperate account.
20:20<dobian>what are your account?
20:21<Aleric>none at the moment
20:22<amphi>Aleric: why are you trying to 'help' Sony?
20:22<dobian>he like sony
20:23<Aleric>I'm not really - I just like a movie and then post a part of it that doesn't spoil the movie but can help others to see what kind of movie it is and that they want to see it too.
20:23<dobian>do you know sony timer? lol
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20:24<amphi>perhaps Sony like to do their own trailers
20:25<mm>Aleric: FOR FREE?
20:25<mm>Aleric: with a capitall "FREE"? And I would've done it for money
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20:26<Level2Tech>There's so many php development environments...any suggestions
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20:30<themill>Level2Tech: kdevelop
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20:40<zd32nv>ive forgotten which wireless nic this computer used. I was hoping that dmesg would reveal the 'manufacturers info' that it usually does, but in this case, it doesn't
20:40<zd32nv>i'm in search for vendor + model, so as to retrieve driver utilities
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20:42<gsimmons>!tell zd32nv -about what's my wireless
20:42<zd32nv>gsimmons: oh right! thanks!
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21:00<Laeborg>how can I upgrade WINE to the latest version?
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21:02<sander>Anyone know how to list how much cpu a process use on each thread?
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21:12<sxtusmprcus>anyone in here?
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21:13<sxtusmprcus>haha "this is not #ubuntu@
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21:14<john_>i cant get flash
21:14<john_>when i go to the page to view it my browser crashes
21:14<sxtusmprcus>what browser are you using
21:14<sxtusmprcus>ok hang on
21:14<sxtusmprcus>have you installed flashplugin-nonfree?
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21:15<sxtusmprcus>ah, nevermind. i downloaded it from backports
21:15<sxtusmprcus>are you using stable?
21:15<john_>i dont have it
21:15<john_>i went to adobe's page to get it
21:15<sxtusmprcus>do you know how to add repositories?
21:16<john_>and my browse rkept crashingwhen i tried to get it
21:16<sxtusmprcus>bah, forget adobe
21:16<sxtusmprcus>do you know how to use synaptic
21:16<sxtusmprcus>ok open synaptic
21:16<sxtusmprcus>settings menu
21:16<john_>what repositories do i add
21:17<sxtusmprcus>(type binary)
21:17<sxtusmprcus>distribution: etch-backports
21:17<sxtusmprcus>are you using etch, btw?
21:18<sxtusmprcus>well anyway... in "components", write: main contrib non-free
21:18<sxtusmprcus>press ok, close, then reload the repositories
21:18<sxtusmprcus>then look up flashplugin-nonfree
21:18<john_>damnit synaptic isn't opening up
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21:19<sxtusmprcus>has it asked you for the password already
21:19<john_>yeah and it opened up but i did something since it closed out
21:19<sxtusmprcus>how can it be not opening
21:19<sxtusmprcus>what debian are you using
21:19<sxtusmprcus>stable, testing, unstable?
21:19<sxtusmprcus>what is debian 4?
21:20<sxtusmprcus>did you just download it?
21:20<sxtusmprcus>ah etch ok. sorry
21:20<sxtusmprcus>are you sure youre not getting any error messages from synaptic
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21:21<sxtusmprcus>hey, can anyone help me set up an ati radeon x1400 card please?
21:22<sxtusmprcus>ive tried installing and reinstalling the fglrx driver over and over again but somehow its not working
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21:22<sxtusmprcus>i think debian doesnt find the module, ive tried recompiling the kernel as well, without much success
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21:23<foo>hm, web server (with mail server) was recently listed on cbl as having sent out spam. Not sure why, things have been fine for years. any idea on what to inspect other than logs? I don't see anything obvious in the logs
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21:23<sxtusmprcus>sorry i dont know enough to help you with that
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21:24<foo>no problem
21:24<jesus>hello everyone
21:24<sxtusmprcus>hey j
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21:25<jesus>does anyone know about a free debian learning ebook for a totally newbie ?
21:25<gsimmons>foo: Use the CBL lookup utility ( if you haven't already. Find out why you're listed and how to resolve it. See also the CBL FAQ.
21:25<sxtusmprcus>jesus: just use google, no need for a debian book
21:25<amphi>jesus: the debian reference?
21:26<jesus>like to learn how to do stuffs
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21:26<jesus>yes like refernce book
21:26<sxtusmprcus>just look up whatever you want to do on google and add debian to the string
21:26<nevyn>jesus: read the install guide.
21:26<amphi>jesus: the debian reference is packaged - you can just install it; also see, perhaps
21:26<foo>gsimmons: yeah, I am, but it doesn't say why you're listed... just common reasons on how you can get listed
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21:27<jesus>I have installed debian on a laptop but there is no internet
21:27<sxtusmprcus>jesus so are you thinking of buying an actual book?
21:27<jesus>and I want to know how can I install a linsys wusb54gc wireless adapter
21:27<sxtusmprcus>well youre not gonna find that in a book
21:27<gsimmons>!tell jesus -about wusb54gc
21:28<sxtusmprcus>just look up "linksys wusb54gc debian" on google
21:28<sxtusmprcus>is it a wireless card? youre probably gonna need ndiswrapepr
21:28<jesus>now I am writing from a debian based distro , but my laptop is the one that needs wireless connection
21:29<amphi>sxtusmprcus: what makes you say that?
21:29<jesus>I have read a guide and it says that I need to compile the kerne ?
21:29<sxtusmprcus>amphi: say what? the ndiswrapper thing?
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21:29<jesus>but I understand the kernel is very hard to compile
21:29<amphi>jesus: you should not need to do that; installing the kernel headers package for your kernel should be enough
21:30<amphi>sxtusmprcus: yes
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21:30<jesus>and I am kind of new to linux
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21:30<sxtusmprcus>amphi: just because there seems to be quite a few wireless cards that only work with ndiswrapper and the win32 driver. at least the cheap ones that i buy.
21:31<jesus>so I followed the tutorial using a cable connection , but when I restarted it said that error 17
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21:31<jesus>and I had to reinstall debian again
21:33<jesus>this distro am using now, it has some kind of wireless gui to use windows drivers
21:33<jesus>and I am thinking if I can have something similar to it
21:33<jesus>its called dreamlinux
21:33<libervisco>What do you think? Debian on desktop: testing or sid?
21:34<jesus>I have heard that ubuntu is not debian
21:34<sxtusmprcus>meh, some things are similar
21:34<libervisco>nothing :)
21:35<sxtusmprcus>ubuntu is based on debian
21:35<sxtusmprcus>but its boring and slow, you dont want that
21:35<nevyn>libervisco: :(
21:35<jesus>will it recognize my wireless adapter ?
21:35<jesus>then is no
21:35<jesus>I have heard that pc linux will
21:35<sxtusmprcus>no idea. but you could probably use the ubuntu tutorials for the adapter for debian as well
21:36<jesus>but that uses rpm
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21:36<libervisco>I heard some said testing is more unstable than unstable sometimes because it's moving more slowly and bugs are fixed slower
21:36<sxtusmprcus>yeah rpm is terrible, not worth it
21:36<jesus>my friend runs kubuntu
21:36<jesus>and he said he likes it
21:36<sxtusmprcus>libervisco i dont think thats the case, but i use stable so i dont know
21:37<libervisco>sxtusmprcus: stable on the desktop?
21:37<sxtusmprcus>libervisco yes
21:37<libervisco>Isn't stuff there a bit old?
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21:37<jesus>do you think that if I hook my laptop directly to my cable line and do an update will it work?
21:37<sxtusmprcus>i dont think so. maybe. i get the newer stuff from backports
21:38<sxtusmprcus>jesus yeah i think so
21:38<jesus>but to use the wireless
21:39<jesus>the reason is that the main cable line is on the main pc on the office at home
21:39<libervisco>sxtusmprcus: so basically you keep the core system (kernel etc.) stable and download other stuff from backports?
21:39<jesus>and then we have a dlink wireless router
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21:39<sxtusmprcus>jesus i think your best bet is to hook it up to the cable line and look up from within debian how to install wusb54gc. it takes a bit of time to set up things in debian, so if you want something that works out of the box you should try some other distro. that said, i think you wont regret sticking to debian even if it seems a bit hard at first.
21:39<libervisco>I'm thinking maybe I could use sid and just do safe upgrades instead of dist-upgrades...might get me to the same thing
21:40<jesus> I will try that
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21:40<sxtusmprcus>libervisco i dont find the software on stable to be old for my purposes. id rather use something thats tried and tested than cutting edge stuff with features i dont need and which usually require more processing power
21:41<sxtusmprcus>jesus you should, dont get discouraged, its fun. im struggling to set up my 3d card myself
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21:41<libervisco>sxtusmprcus: I see, you mean more processing power due to bugs and leaks (since the new stuff does eventually become "stable" :)
21:42<sxtusmprcus>just cause its newer stuff, more bells and whistles, etc, regardless of the bugs
21:42<jesus>thanks sxtusmprcus
21:42<libervisco>yeah, but all that will eventually enter stable
21:43<sxtusmprcus>jesus look up "wusb54gc howto" on google, without the quotes. that should be a good starting point
21:43<sxtusmprcus>libervisco, yeah it will when the bugs are worked out
21:43<jesus>I will stop this live cd and go and plug my laptop to the cable line and check
21:43<sxtusmprcus>jesus yeah thats a good idea
21:44<sxtusmprcus>jesus then you can download any packages you might need, etc
21:44<jesus>ok, I will be back later
21:44<sxtusmprcus>ok good luck
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21:45<libervisco>ok I'm gonna install a bare stable system and then see from there..might try it for a while
21:45<libervisco>thanks sxtusmprcus
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21:45<john>i was in here earlier
21:45<sxtusmprcus>does anyone know how to set up an ati radeon card? i keep reinstalling fglrx but the module wont load
21:45<john>asking for help with flash
21:46<john>who was helping me?
21:46<sxtusmprcus>libervisco sure no prob
21:46<sxtusmprcus>john whats up
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21:46<sxtusmprcus>john did it work
21:46<john>BAN JENNIFER
21:46<sxtusmprcus>uh, did your flash thing work?
21:47<john>i didnt do anything yet
21:47<john>i had to go someplace
21:47<john>what repository was i supposed to ad? and someone ban jennifer she wont shut the fuck up
21:47<sxtusmprcus>is synaptic working for you now
21:47<john>lemme try
21:48<john>it's up
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21:48<john>what repository was i supposed to add?
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21:48<sxtusmprcus>nice cheer by the way
21:48<sxtusmprcus>type: binary
21:49<sxtusmprcus>distribution: etch-backports
21:49<sxtusmprcus>components: main contrib non-free
21:49<sxtusmprcus>press ok, close, then reload the list
21:49<Level2Tech>what are back ports
21:50<sxtusmprcus>they are newer versions of software or software that hasnt made it into debian because of copyright issues
21:50<Level2Tech>oh ok
21:51<sxtusmprcus>is your list updated?
21:51<john>wait a minute i dont get this
21:51<sxtusmprcus>whats the problem?
21:51<john>take me step by step on how to do this
21:51<john>i have synaptic
21:51<sxtusmprcus>i just did
21:51<sxtusmprcus>ok go to settings menu
21:51<sxtusmprcus>select repositories
21:52<sxtusmprcus>press add
21:52<sxtusmprcus>then follow the stuff i said before about binary etc
21:52<john>i didnt see "binary"
21:52<sxtusmprcus>oh, sorry
21:52<john>is there a task manager because synaptic is just loading nothing for five minutes now
21:52<sxtusmprcus>did you see a list that says channel, components, etc
21:53<sxtusmprcus>sorry my bad
21:53<sxtusmprcus>can you get to that point
21:53<sxtusmprcus>so i can tell you what to put
21:53<john>yeah ow do i close synaptic it doesnt seem to be closing or anything
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21:53<sxtusmprcus>i dont know, what is synaptic doing right now?
21:54<john>everythings gray
21:54<john>is there a task manager here?
21:54<sxtusmprcus>ok open a terminal
21:54<sxtusmprcus>get into super user mode
21:54<sxtusmprcus>then do killall -9 synaptic
21:54<sxtusmprcus>did that work
21:55<john>how do i go into super user mode? i dont know how to do that in debian
21:55<kop>john: FWIW, you'll find people are able and willing to offer more help if they can simply tell you to type something, or expect that you know how to type words into a file. It's just easier than all that gui stuff. A lot of people don't do gui stuff because the gui constantly changes. Nobody knows how to do a good one yet, but the stuff published about commands in 1974 is mostly still good today. Why waste your brain on something that'll go away?
21:55<john>i know
21:55<Level2Tech>ITS ANNOYING
21:55<john>nobody seems to be giving a shit either
21:56<Level2Tech>I see that...
21:56<john>i asked her for wet pussy but she's not answering ;_;
21:56<kop>john: Somebody who knows something about irc can tell the ops to ban. (But I'm not seeing any messages from jennifer at all. Clearly I'm IRC clueless.)
21:56<Level2Tech>lol...I wasnt so nice...
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21:56<john>sxtusmprcus: john@debian:~$ sudo killall -9 synaptic
21:56<john>john is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
21:56-!-john was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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21:57<kop>!tell john -about pastebin
21:57<john>i know
21:57<sxtusmprcus>what happened
21:57<john>i keep forgetting this stuff :9
21:57<john>okay well
21:57<john>hwo do i get to super user mode
21:57<sxtusmprcus>john did that work or what
21:57<kop>john: If you know the root password, you just type "su -" and enter the password. Then "exit" gets you back to normal.
21:57<sxtusmprcus>type su then type your password
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21:58<kop>john: Don't forget the -
21:58<john>okay opening up it again
21:58<sxtusmprcus>let me know when you see the "add channel" dialog
21:59<sxtusmprcus>do you see it now
21:59<sxtusmprcus>ok, click on "custom"
22:00<john>okay now what
22:00<sxtusmprcus>then type "deb etch-backports main contrib non-free"
22:00<sxtusmprcus>without the quotes, of course
22:01<john>now what
22:01<sxtusmprcus>ok to everything and close
22:01<john>then reload
22:01<john>W: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
22:01<sxtusmprcus>once its done updating, look up "flashplugin-nonfree"
22:01<sxtusmprcus>thats fine
22:02<sxtusmprcus>john, congratulations on running etch on a 486, by the way
22:03<john>dont insult my imac g3 ;____;
22:03*john tear
22:03-!-mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
22:03-!-Jenifer was kicked from #debian by peterS [no spam PMs to ops please]
22:03-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by peterS
22:03-!-mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
22:03<john>thank you peter
22:03<sxtusmprcus>john, whats going on, is it working
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22:04<john>none found apparently
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22:05<sxtusmprcus>let me check. i thought i had downloaded it from backports
22:05<john>reloading again just shits and giggles
22:05<john>hope it works
22:06<sxtusmprcus>yeah, its on backports man
22:06<mentor>peterS: No spam to anyone in general, really
22:06<peterS>mentor: yeah but guess how I noticed it (:
22:06<sxtusmprcus>its either not downloading the list, or theres a typo somewhere
22:06<john>i had a thing going for jennifer, peterS
22:06<john>but now it's over
22:06<peterS>john: that's ok, the bot only had one N
22:07<john>i'll check if there's a typo
22:07<sxtusmprcus>jennifer give you sexy webcam. jennifer love you long time.
22:07<peterS>I don't think jennifer love you. I think jennifer love hewitt.
22:07<john>just give her your credit card
22:08<john>URI: DIST: etch-backports COMPONENTS: main contrib non-free
22:08<sxtusmprcus>i think ive seen jennifer selling penis enlargement pills by the train station
22:08<john>as long as she was wearing that dress i bought her
22:08<sxtusmprcus>yeah john thats fine. make sure you looked up flashplugin-nonfree
22:08<john>wait a minute those are MY pills
22:08<john>searching again
22:09<sxtusmprcus>i hope youre using xfce on that box, by the way
22:09<john>W: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
22:10<john>maybe that has somethig to do with it
22:10<sxtusmprcus>i dont think thats an issue, i think thats just a warning
22:10<sxtusmprcus>i remember having seen it a million times and never doing anything about it
22:10<john>still couldn't find it :(
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22:11<sxtusmprcus>maybe one of these guys can tell you if the gpg thing wont let you download packages
22:11<john>i need my ???tubes (many sites ending with "tube")
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22:11<john>any other place i can get the flashplugin-nonfree?
22:11<sxtusmprcus>no idea. i got it from there
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22:12<sxtusmprcus>maybe it has to do with your mouse having only one button
22:12<sxtusmprcus>its really odd that its not working. are you sure youre running etch
22:12<john>sure as i can be but how can i make sure?
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22:13<sxtusmprcus>run uname -r on the terminal
22:13<john>i'm not really sure.. but i'm sure
22:13<sxtusmprcus>that tells you what kernel version youre using
22:13<sxtusmprcus>yeah that should be etch, if im not mistaken
22:14<john>any way i can get flashplugin-nonfree from the terminal?
22:14<john>i mean how do i do it here
22:14<sxtusmprcus>close synaptic
22:14<sxtusmprcus>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
22:14<wilby>is flashplayer available for power pc?
22:15<john>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
22:15<john> is only available fron another source
22:15<john>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
22:15<sxtusmprcus>good question. no idea. i dont think it depends on the kernel, does it
22:15<wilby>It does for the ps3
22:15<sxtusmprcus>oh really
22:15<sxtusmprcus>maybe thats the issue here then
22:15<john>i need my youtube :9
22:15<john>what about gnash?
22:15<vsmatck>flashplayer-nonfree is proprietary shit that adobe doesn't compile for non x86.
22:15<wilby>You can get the gnu open flash player for powerpc
22:15<sxtusmprcus>oh, right
22:16<wilby>yes gnash has a version
22:16<john>okay how then :P
22:16<vsmatck>I hate it with a passion but gnash isn't working for me for youtube yet.
22:16<sxtusmprcus>sorry john, i didnt know that it didnt work for ppc
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22:16*vsmatck shakes fist.
22:16<vsmatck>I have seen reports from peole saying they use it for youtube though.
22:16<john>yeah it does work with youtube so i've heard
22:16<cbecht>john: aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash
22:17<wilby>I use gnash for utube on the ps3 but its running yellowdog
22:17<vsmatck>So I wouldn't give up on it. I'm the type who generally totally relies on the debian team for his software so I don't try too hard getting and building my own stuff. :)
22:17<john>ahh i just accidentally clicked on jennifer's link and got a popup of a chick with saggy breasts
22:17<john>damn almost lagged
22:17<sxtusmprcus>saggy breasts? really? oh man, what was the link again?
22:17<john>it was a popup
22:18<sxtusmprcus>i wish she had mentioned that earlier
22:18<john>OHH baby saggy breasts are good for uh
22:18<john>old people..
22:18<john>gonna paste the output in a pastebin
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22:19<sxtusmprcus>so i guess nobody can help me out setting up my ati radeon card, right?
22:19<john>i'mma just use ubuntu's pastebin since i dont know debian's :P
22:19<sxtusmprcus>youre such a sellout.
22:19<sxtusmprcus>you should be ashamed of yourself.
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22:20<john>ubuntu horny hardy breezer.
22:20<sxtusmprcus>so nobody is running etch on a dell inspiron with ati radeon?!?
22:20<john>such cooky names
22:20<john>i am going to run etch on my tivo
22:20<john>and in this old calculator
22:21<john>they're both as efficient as dell
22:21<sxtusmprcus>might as well
22:21<john>just for comparison, this calculator was 99 cents
22:22<Level2Tech>Anyone know how to install Domino?
22:22<sxtusmprcus>my dell was 50 cents
22:22<wilby>I just noticed john there is a channel #debianppc they may be able to help with your flash issue
22:22<sxtusmprcus>good catch
22:24<sxtusmprcus>so i guess there isnt a channel that specializes on 3d drivers is there
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22:24<wilby>Did you say ati radeon?
22:24<john>at least i'm not trying to compile something for an hour like I did with Ubuntu Itchy Badger or whatever they call their versions
22:24<sxtusmprcus>wilby yeah ati radeon x1400
22:25<sxtusmprcus>im supposed to use fglrx, which is the driver from ati, but xorg doesnt see it
22:25<sxtusmprcus>it keeps seeing the mesa3d one
22:25<wilby>I found Unbunt extremely buggy, especially for samba or any type of networking. I much prefer Debian.
22:25<john>wait if gnash worked how do i get it to work in iceweasel?
22:27<sxtusmprcus>why does every search i do on google pull up an ubuntu forum
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22:27<john>because ubuntu is more user friendly
22:27<john>and people who are new to linux really know how to get used to it
22:27<sxtusmprcus>if it were so user friendly it wouldnt have so many issues to work out, would it
22:27<wilby>sxtusmprcus did you uses apt-get to install the fglrx driver?
22:27<john>i mean if someone wanted flash and they were completely new to this
22:27<sxtusmprcus>wilby, yes i did
22:27<john>and they used dapper
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22:28<wilby>did you use dpkg-reconfigure to setup Xorg again?
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22:29<sxtusmprcus>wilby but then, when running fglrxinfo, it didnt see the drivers. looking at xorgs log, it seemed that debian wasnt finding the fglrx module. so i recompiled the kernel, and i thought the modules as well, but it still didnt work
22:29<sxtusmprcus>wilby i actually didnt do that the last time. let me try
22:31<sxtusmprcus>wilby, also, isnt there a program that recompiles modules on the go? something like module-configure or something similar?
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22:31<sxtusmprcus>wilby cause i tried compiling it through that and it gave me an error
22:32<wilby>I don't know about module-configure. Never used it.
22:33<john>i hid the menu in xchat how do i get it back?
22:33<wilby>click view then menubar
22:33*john needs to read the message that comes up next time he does something
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22:33<john>I cant click view
22:33<john>it's in the menubar....
22:33<sxtusmprcus>press F9
22:34<sxtusmprcus>and stop breaking things, will ya
22:34<john>i'll try
22:35<wilby>It looks like module-assistant is what your looking for sxtusmprcus
22:35<sxtusmprcus>wilby. thats what it was. it didnt work, however.
22:36<john>i have one question before i go open a bunch of debian channels in a million different servers (sarcasm)
22:36*wilby frowns
22:36<john>is there anything here like pidgin?
22:36<john>or any msn clones
22:37<wilby>Yes. Pidgin.
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22:38<sxtusmprcus>john i think its called GAIM under etch though
22:39<sxtusmprcus>wilby ill be right back, i have to switch kernels.
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22:40<john>i did apt-get install pidgin
22:40<john>and its getting it
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22:41<wilby>Are you planning on using pidgin for irc?
22:42<john>woo got pidgin
22:44<sxtusmprcus>wilby, its building the module now
22:45<wilby>sxtusmprcus did you install fglrx-kernel-src?
22:45<sxtusmprcus>wilby, yeah now the module is built and i loaded it, but still no luck
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22:46<wilby>did you catch the debian howto on the think wiki?
22:46<sxtusmprcus>wilby i think agpgart is confusing the system, because its loaded as well
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22:46<sxtusmprcus>haha what?
22:47<sxtusmprcus>ugh, i hate this thing
22:48<wilby>Did you try to manualy changing xorg.config ?
22:48<wilby>Run lsmod and see if your driver is there.
22:48<sxtusmprcus>wilby, it is, and its linked to agpgart
22:49<sxtusmprcus>but when i run fglrxinfo, which is a tool that comes with the package, it still tells me it only sees the software renderer
22:50<sxtusmprcus>should i check /var/log/Xorg/.0.log
22:50<john> sorry spacebar
22:50<wilby>I would
22:51<wilby>I have an nvidia 7300gt card which is a PCI16 and it is also attached to agpgart
22:51<sxtusmprcus>would it be updated by now? cause i still see the "failed to load kernel module "fglrx"" message
22:51<sxtusmprcus>yet the module is now loaded
22:51<john>i've been told to get swfdec. how do i get swfdec?
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22:52<sxtusmprcus>john look it up on synaptic
22:52<wilby>I don't thing swfdec is for newbies john
22:53<sxtusmprcus>otherwise do apt-get install libswfdec0.3
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22:53<wilby>You would need the plugin for mozilla as well
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22:54<john>how do i get that then
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22:55<sxtusmprcus>wilby can you think of anything else i could do to get xorg to see the fglrx module
22:56<john>wilby: how do i get the mozilla plugin?
22:56<sxtusmprcus>john this may help
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22:57<wilby>Have you seen this sxtusmprcus
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22:59<sxtusmprcus>wilby, i just did those steps. when it says "restart for the changes to take effect" do they mean restart the box?
22:59-!-hkl [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:59<sxtusmprcus>or restart xorg
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23:00<wilby>Usually just xorg but I have had issues where I needed to restart the box
23:00<sxtusmprcus>on this link a user says that this driver doesnt work with agpgart as a module
23:00<wilby>what kernel version are you using sx?
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23:01<sxtusmprcus>ive stripped a few things off it though
23:01<sxtusmprcus>mostly support for things i dont have
23:01<sxtusmprcus>like common sense
23:01<john>sxtusprcus: just someone saying they self compiled gnash
23:02<john>it was a bitch in xubuntu and i didnt even get far because i kept getting errors when trying to configure
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23:02<sxtusmprcus>ah, sorry about that john
23:03<sxtusmprcus>the funniest thing is that i dont even need 3d features. all i want is for my videos to play at a normal frame rate
23:03<wilby>John you can search for a yellowdog linux rpm repo for the ps3 which will have a gnash rpm built for ppc. Its not recommend but you could then try to convert the rpm to a deb
23:04<wilby>BTW what kind of machine do you have a ppc in?
23:04<sxtusmprcus>its an imac g3
23:05<wilby>before they went soft
23:05<john>you mean a 386 you goon
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23:05<sxtusmprcus>john tends to be a bit skeptical of cutting-edge technology
23:05<john>but do i seriously have no other option?
23:06<sxtusmprcus>which i admire, by the way
23:06<john>i'm using this imac g3 because my laptop broke and i'm using this til i build my computer
23:06<john>which is going to be for gaming
23:06<wilby>From what I see you can build from source or convert the rpm if there is no debian package
23:07<john>with a dual core, a fan and a quiet hard drive (three of these which this imac does not have)
23:07<wilby>Nothing wrong with a g3
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23:07<john>well i'd need someone to tell me how but i have a feeling i'm going to be wasting my time like i did trying to compile gnash on xubuntu
23:07<john>only to come out failing
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23:08<sxtusmprcus>wilby, what do you make of this? In order to use the fglrx internal AGP support, you have to make sure that the kernel agpgart support is not active, i.e. it is not compiled into the kernel and the kernel modules are not loaded. If the fglrx kernel module detects that the kernel agpgart support is active, it will automatically use that even if its internal AGP support is requested in order to avoid conflicts that can cause problems under s
23:08<sxtusmprcus>ome circumstances.
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23:09<sxtusmprcus>wilby when i try to remove agpgart it tells me that its in use by fglrx... should i force-remove it?
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23:10<wilby>remove fglx then agpart
23:10<dobian>dobi :o
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23:10<wilby>hi dobi
23:10<RIVE>Hello, good evenning.
23:10<dobian>hi ;)
23:10<wilby>hi Rive
23:11<sxtusmprcus>ok i did that and reloaded fglrx but the latter automatically reloads agpgart
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23:16<sxtusmprcus>i give up
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23:16<wilby>is your card a r500 or r600 series?
23:16<sxtusmprcus>its an x1400
23:16<sxtusmprcus>ati radeon mobility
23:17<wilby>apparently they have serials on the chipset maybe?
23:17<sxtusmprcus>maybe look it up on dmesg?
23:17<sxtusmprcus>theres nothing on lcpci
23:18<wilby>check out his page, maybe it will be helpful
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23:19<sxtusmprcus>thanks wilby. right, thats my computer. dell inspiron e1505 (6400)
23:20<wilby>I wasn't really aiming for the comp model just the video card info
23:20<dobian>x can't it start?
23:20<sxtusmprcus>i know
23:21<wilby>So what kind of comp is it?
23:21<dobian>Xorg -configure on root or sudo
23:22<sxtusmprcus>mine? just your plain boring dell laptop
23:22<wilby>Hate running linux on laptops. To much proprietary hardware. Although the support has gotten much better recently.
23:23<sxtusmprcus>it says here i need to disable the composite extension from xorg.conf, yet i dont see any toggles for that at all
23:23<dobian>1st ctrl+alt F1
23:23<dobian>root login
23:24<dobian>then Xorg -configure
23:24<sxtusmprcus>yeah, its not an ideal situation. id like to build myself a desktop with no moving parts but so far i cant afford to do that, as i still travel quite a bit
23:24<dobian>this command make > /root/
23:24<dobian>edit /root/
23:24<nevyn>sxtusmprcus: I still want to do this. based around a zalman TNN-520
23:25<sxtusmprcus>nevyn, its fun, isnt it? i want to build it and run debian stable on it forever, without ever rebooting
23:26<wilby>Try that with Windows
23:26<sxtusmprcus>now thats the real challenge
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23:26<wilby>I don't consider the impossible a realistic challenge
23:27<sxtusmprcus>vista is so awful
23:27<sxtusmprcus>i normally dont have trouble with windows in terms of spyware and such
23:27<dobian>many user trying dell inspiron e1505 (6400)
23:27<wilby>No but you do have to reboot it min 3 times a day
23:28<RIVE>sxtusmprcus, you'r a windows power user.
23:28<sxtusmprcus>but vista is terribly slow. i actually talked to dell for like half an hour cause i was appalled that they shipped a computer with an OS in that state of (non)development. i wanted them to send me an xp cd
23:29<wilby>Sorry I couldn't help you more sx. I'm heading to bed though.
23:29<dobian>it is an emulator?
23:29<sxtusmprcus>no you helped me out quite a bit, wilby. thanks very much
23:29<john>got myself banned from ubuntu irc
23:29<sxtusmprcus>good night
23:29<john>for saying "fuck"
23:29<sxtusmprcus>ubuntu users dont fuck
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23:29<sxtusmprcus>they make love.
23:29<john>I flooded an op with the N word just to scare them (not in a racist way)
23:30<dobian>dobi dowa ;o
23:30<john>it's the internets not
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23:31<john>Nobody responded in the debianppc in a good 30+ minutes so can anyone help me get gnash or whatever working?
23:31<john>convert the file to deb sure if someone tells me how :P
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23:32<dobian>i send xp. its a japanese version ;p
23:32<sxtusmprcus>haha, thanks dobian. ill think about it
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23:38<dobian>john: what file?
23:39<john>oh uh
23:39<john>nevermid but can anyone tell me
23:40<john>how i can get gnash or swfdec working here?
23:40<cbecht>john: Last I checked rpm to deb conversion was handled by alien. I think that was a couple years ago though. Things may have changed.
23:40<john>i really need YouTube
23:40<dobian>rpm tp deb?
23:40<cbecht>Although that's probably the hard way.
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23:41<cbecht>IIRC, the suggestion was pulling a PPC build of gnash from the yellow dog release for the Playstation 3, then rpm to deb converting it and cramming it into the debian imac.
23:41<cbecht>At that point, I'd just compile from source.
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23:43<john>so w here do i get the source
23:43<cbecht>That guide even lists the debian package names for the build dependencies, so that was nice of them.
23:44<cbecht>The link to the source is in the guide as well.
23:44<cbecht>It should more or less walk you through it end to end.
23:44<john>i had errors when doing it in xubuntu dapper.. just hope it doesnt happen here
23:44<cbecht>If it does, just hop back in here and we'll see if we can fix it.
23:45<john>i have no idea what cvs is
23:45<john>i am a newbie afterall
23:49<john>can i get it from that ftp?
23:49<sxtusmprcus>good night everyone
23:49<john>just wanna make sure if i'm getting the right one
23:50<cbecht>john: Yeah, that ftp should be fine
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23:50<cbecht>You are just getting the last version that was "released" rather than the bleeding edge developer version from cvs
23:51<cbecht>Or what he said if you want the newest version possible.
23:51<john>how do i get it from cvs?
23:51<dobian>no need cvs
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23:51<dobian>f you only have access to the internet via a web proxy, you will find daily source snapshots of the latest CVS tree in
23:51<cbecht>Is there reason to believe that the 0.8.2 release won't do what you want?
23:52<cbecht>That's the same version number as the latest gnash in unstable, I think.
23:52<john>i'll use the one from the ftp
23:53<john>also i went to to download a legal song so while i was looking for a legal song i remembered that you can play the song throughthere
23:53<john>and i noticed it was showing
23:53<john>and it's flash
23:53<dobian>how many file size that?
23:53<john>and now my browser just crashed (fuck)
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23:58<john>awh i have to get the dependencies now
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