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00:03*Surfer9 Visit (upload pic make mag) - (play with webcam online) - (insulter/anon email) - (fun) - (put your face on funny body) - (health) - (Canada eh) - (geeks)
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00:26<kurumin>oi gatos e gatas.
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00:29<czarny>hi, how i check date of debian instalation?
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00:35<chealer>czarny: stat -c %z /var/log/installer/
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01:21<bob_bob>wee vt100 rox
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01:37<linuX|Reneger>fuck spambot
01:38<alanhaggai_>~ops Marry is spamming.
01:38<alanhaggai_>!ops Marry is spamming.
01:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: alanhaggai_ complains about: Marry is spamming.
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01:38<alanhaggai_>linuX|Reneger: Yes.
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01:39<mentor>alanhaggai: I don't see any
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01:40<linuX|Reneger>i see it ...
01:40<mentor>on join?
01:40<alanhaggai>mentor: I got spammed.
01:40-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
01:40-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by mentor
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01:40<bob_bob>dun dun dun
01:40<bob_bob>Guarenteed results with these binaries
01:41*Nemoder is getting spammed at this very moment
01:41<bob_bob>I didn't :D
01:41<bob_bob>+R ftw
01:41<Nemoder>ah ty mentor
01:41<bob_bob>a suggestion
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01:41<bob_bob>reg ur nick and set yourself +R
01:41<bob_bob>That way non-reg'd cant msg u
01:42<Nemoder>ah yes, I did that for freenode but not oftc
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01:42<bob_bob>Get guarenteed larger penis size now! Downlaod Debian!
01:42<bob_bob>Thats my favorite spam :D
01:42<Nemoder>I already have a very large debian, thanks anyway.
01:43<bob_bob>Don't thank me thank the devs
01:43<mentor>Hmmm, maybe that's why people have CD sets
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01:45<bob_bob>[22:44] <Marry> Hi!
01:45<bob_bob>[22:44] <bob_bob> Hi sexy
01:45<bob_bob>[22:44] <Marry> Do you want to see my photos?
01:45<bob_bob>[22:45] <bob_bob> What can I do for you
01:45<bob_bob>[22:45] <bob_bob> You wanna see mine?
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01:45<mentor>Yeah, don't do that.
01:46<bob_bob>She doesn't talk back
01:47<bob_bob>can u gline?
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01:51<cary_jebus>whats the kde4 chanel
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01:52<mentor>bob_bob: +R only indicates that you are identified to NickServ, it doesn't affect PMs. You need to use G or g for that.
01:52<treyh0>google says #debian-qt-kde
01:52<mentor>cary_jebus: Google of /list
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01:53<treyh0>anybody know a good pay service for spam filtering?
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01:54<treyh0>amavisd and spamassassin dont cut it
01:55<mentor>treyh0: No. However, do you control your mail server?
01:55<treyh0>yeah but its pretty pointless to have users train spam when there's about just 5 users
01:56<treyh0>i've used greylisting but i don't like the delay in first-time senders
01:56<treyh0>though it did help a lot :-/
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01:57<treyh0>got amavisd+spamassassin+clamav, sa configured with all the extra plugins
01:57<treyh0>5 different RBLs
01:57<treyh0>and SPF
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02:02<mentor>treyh0: Well, greylisting is the only useful and non ridiculous solution that I've come across
02:02<treyh0>i suppose i have to learn to be patient
02:03<mentor>It is a trade-off. I can see that for a business it might not work
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02:09<treyh0>damn i wish kde4 was more usable in experimental
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02:12<enouf>treyh0: no bueno? i don't even bother with email
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02:14<MotoHoss>after install lenny are home dirs automagically 755?
02:16<MotoHoss>I had to replace the hard drive that home was on right after reboot. so i need to recreate the directory for the user...
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02:19<streuner>apis:/# ls -ld /home
02:19<streuner>drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 8192 6. Jun 18:44 /home
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02:19<gsimmons>MotoHoss: Yes, this is adduser's default behaviour.
02:20<MotoHoss>excellent. thank you.
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02:22<gsimmons>help: No private messages, please. Ask your question in the channel.
02:23<dpkg>1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam.
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02:23<enouf>~$ ls -ld /home
02:23<enouf>drwxrwsr-x 3 root staff 4096 2006-08-28 08:29 /home
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02:24<streuner>enouf: enough :-)
02:24<help>sorry i was just learning the commands for irssi
02:25<streuner>enouf: that looks like another folder which copied from another box as backup :-)
02:26<enouf>standard sarge install
02:26<MotoHoss>that looks like directory on the other box. that's why I asked.
02:26<enouf>the silly; 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 21 2006-08-28 08:29 USAGE
02:27<streuner>apis:/debian# ls -ld home
02:27<streuner>drwxrwsr-x 3 root staff 17 3. Dez 2006 home
02:27<streuner>could be woody or sarge as well (copied)
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02:33<streuner>oddtod2: /help whoami, IIRC :-)
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02:36<oddtod2>hey guys i'm trying to install iwlwifi for intel's 3945, and i mod probed it but its still not showing up in network mangager is there soemthing else i'm supposed to do to configure the device?
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02:36<dpkg>The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch> and <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @
02:38<oddtod2>see i have done both those and i'm not switching from ipw3945
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02:42<josh>i cant unhide my bottom panel when i'm in a full screened app.
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02:43<Guest1737>i have to restore then unhide it
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02:54<Guest1737>i cant unhide my panel when i'm in an app that is in full-screen mode, i have to restore the window then unhide it.
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03:11<ntbnnt>i cannot get iwlwifi working on lenny
03:12<ntbnnt>when i attempt to turn on my lappy's radio, i get a keymap error
03:12<dobian>Marry: dont send ero pictures lol
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03:44<joshua_>hey guys i'm trying to figure out how to install flashplugin-nonfree i have the nonfree repos in my sources.list file but it doesn't show up
03:46<Nemoder>did you apt-get update?
03:48<Nemoder>actually nm, I guess it's been moved to
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03:56<Nemoder>!adobe flash
03:56<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
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03:57<rustikk>I have delete directory /etc/apache2/ . how recovery default apache2 config files?
03:58<gsimmons>!tell rustikk -about confmiss
04:00<dobian>!Gene Simmons lol
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04:04<ntbnnt>how can i get flash working on x64
04:06<dpkg>nspluginwrapper is, like, a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <> for etch packages.
04:06<rustikk>I have delete directory /etc/apache2/ . how recovery default apache2 config files?
04:06<Nemoder>rustikk: did you read the message from dpkg?
04:07<rustikk>not help
04:07<gsimmons>rustikk: No private messages, please. Also, don't call dpkg directly, use apt-get or aptitude as shown in the example confmiss commands.
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04:08<dobian> /etc/httpd/httpd.conf ....
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04:10<rustikk>dobian: there is now directory /etc/httpd +)
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04:14<dobian>rustikk>: reinstall apatch2 ;p
04:14<dobian>rustikk>: reinstall apache2 ;p
04:15<rustikk>after reinstall directory /etc/apache2 NOT
04:16<gsimmons>rustikk: For your information, the relevant package is 'apache2.2-common', not 'apache2'.
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04:16<rustikk>how recovery this directory /etc/apache2 ??
04:18<Mobil>reinstall apache2
04:18<rustikk>after reinstall apache2 don't created directory /etc/apache2 !
04:19<sheldonh>rustikk: dpkg -S /etc/apache2 gives: apache2.2-common: /etc/apache2
04:19<dobian>what was made? ;)
04:19<sheldonh>rustikk: so as gsimmons said, you need to reinstall apache2.2-common, not apache2
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04:21<dobian>it is puzzling? ;)
04:21<rustikk>now try...
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04:25<rustikk>BIG THANKS!
04:25<rustikk>sory my english )
04:28<rustikk>but there are not files in /etc/apache2. How recovery files httpd.conf and others?
04:29<rustikk> apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common
04:29<rustikk>this help me)
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04:31<dobian> /usr/local/apache2/conf
04:32<dobian>or /usr/local/etc/apache2/
04:32<rustikk>thanks, but i done this. see up ^
04:32<dobian>find . -name httpd.conf -print
04:33<dobian>locate httpd.conf
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04:42<HB>I just installed debian (my first linux install ever) - Works fine ! Now I would like to connect to the computer from another computer - Using SSH (putty client) - But when I try to connect to the ip I get: "Network error: Connection refused"
04:43<HB>Do I need to install/enable anything in the Debian install to be able to connect to it via SSH ?
04:44<fxiny>yes , check apt-cache policy openssh-server
04:44<HB>will try
04:44<fxiny>or just ssh
04:45<WhyACow>yeah make sure you have ssh installed :P
04:45<fxiny>HB: are you using putty from windows ?
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04:46<HB>fxiny - yes - putty from windows
04:47<fxiny>HB: you can try winscp , it uses putty
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04:48<HB>k - but I think the problem I have to solve now is HOW to install OpenSSH on the linux machine !
04:49<WhyACow>can anyone provide assistance with my raid0 (used for storage and doesnt have /boot)? it fails to load on boot but if i stop the array, reassemble and start, its fine. 1 drive loads during boot but second one fails
04:50<WhyACow>apt-get install openssh-server
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04:51<fxiny>HB: just installed from cd/dvd ? edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
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04:52<HB>installed from cd
04:52<fxiny>HB: is your new debian on line ?
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04:53<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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04:53<Nemoder>HB: aptitude install openssh-server
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04:54<Nemoder>oh WhyA already answered, sorry
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04:56<WhyACow>Nemoder: maybe answer my question instead :P
04:56<Nemoder>don't know much about raid, sorry
04:57<joshua_>hey guys i'm looking for a sound extractor that will give me more options on the way it out puts the file names is there one thats really confifurable?
04:57<Nemoder>sound extractor?
04:58<Nemoder>extracting from what?
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05:08<joshua_>i'm extracting from an audio cd but the thing it sound extractor only lets my outputs be certain formats i'd like itt o let me put it into a particular naming convention
05:08<Nemoder>I use gRip
05:09<joshua_>i'll check it ou thank you
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05:39<WhyACow>can anyone provide assistance with my raid0 (used for storage and doesnt have /boot)? it fails to load on boot but if i stop the array, reassemble and start, its fine. 1 drive loads during boot but second one fails
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06:38<gieswein>ist geil
06:39<gieswein>bsd is better then linux
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08:42<amorphous>hi, I'm tring to install etch & right at the start am having problems with my hdd not being supported. Does this mean I hvae to get technical already & get drivers downloaded & onto the system somehow? i have no usb sticks/floppy or other cdroms on this system.. :/
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08:45<cahoot>sata disk?
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08:49<WhyACow>i got that same problem atm along with the e1000 nic driver
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09:13<Tarcas>amorphous: is it SATA, IDE, or other?
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09:22<WhyACow>and if its SATA?
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09:26<cahoot>might need an newer kernel, /msg dpkg kmuto
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09:55<shilow>anyone know if there is a fix for gnome-desktop-environment in sid yet?
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10:33<clone>I have sufferred a memory Leak it would seem. I did a mv from one harddrive to another, and the file disapeared and the harddrive space is still taken
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10:35<GenBatSu>I have setup encrypted lvm on debian fresh install, now after each reboot the system waits for the passkey... is it possible to disable the encryption ?
10:36<memLeak>I had a file on hda1, and I did mv /home/username/downloads/filename /downloads, where /downloads is the name I gave for /dev/hdb1 and the file is not showing on hda1, but the memory is still missing, and the file didn't show up on hdb1 either
10:37<cahoot>tried sync?
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10:49<shilow>anyone know if there is a fix to installing gnome-system-tools on sid?
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10:52<shilow>nm fixed it
10:52<mattyg15>hi everyone
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11:11<wangjq>omg, good
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11:11<memLeak>I did a move on a file from one harddrive to another, and it disapeared
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11:12<cahoot>mount says hdb1 is where you supposed it would be?
11:13<memLeak>cahoot, me? What do you mean
11:13<cahoot>memLeak: you say you mounted /dev/hdb1 on some mountpoint -no? does mount say so too?
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11:14<memLeak>cahoot, its wierd cause I did it again later, and no problem, with just a text file that was empty. But when I did it with tar file, I did mv /home/user/downloads /downloads, which are different drives, and it took just an instant instead of a few mins like I would expect
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11:14<memLeak>cahoot, yeah I have them both mounted
11:15<memLeak>cahoot, it is mounted on /downloads
11:15<memLeak>correction, /home/user/downloads/filename.tar
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11:38<HB^^>I installed Debian (as my first linux install ever) - During instalation I chose the Visual userinterface. Now I have OpenSSH installed - And would like to use that as primary interface - Any way I can turn the visual interface on/off "on the fly" ?
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11:41<Nemoder>HB^^: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or just remove gdm completely and use startx)
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11:41<HB^^>Nemoder - and I can just turn it on that way again ? or will it turn on at reboot ?
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11:42<Nemoder>it will turn on at reboot unless you remove it
11:43<Nemoder>if you stop it that way and wish to restart it without reboot just do /etc/init.d/gdm start
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11:44<Nemoder>at least i'm pretty sure that all works, I use text login and then startx
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11:46<HB^^>thx Nemoder
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12:44<Gleb>help me, please!
12:45<Aleric>Hmm, doesn't work.
12:45<frank>not implemented
12:45<Gleb>after 'apt-get upgade' in my Lenny lilo doesn't work
12:47<Gleb>LILO 22.8 Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage
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13:18<Magojp>Alguem ai tem problema com emesene(Anybody here have emesene problems?)
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13:30<hramrach>Gleb: try grub or grub2 ;-)
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13:31<hramrach>Gleb: obviously LILO is broken for some reason
13:32<hramrach>you can use a live CD (such as Knoppix or Debian-Live) to boot, mount the root partition, chroot to it, and install another bootloader
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13:35<cyorxamp>Lo I've got my bluetooth dongle working but instead of getting my device to pair with the PC (like the wiki article says) I need my PC to pair with the device (it's a headset, limited buttons on it) - is there a utility I can install to initiate the pairing?
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13:41<dustin>does anyone know how I can move my home dir from one logical to another logical drive?
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13:43<supaman>dustin: I would copy the contents and then umount the home .. then change the fstab and then mount the home again
13:43<supaman>copy to begin with just to have a backup
13:43<Gleb>i can't set up GRUB under chroot
13:43<dustin>So I do have to umount /home from the drive and then remount it to another
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13:44<supaman>dustin: if the /home is on a seperate partition yes
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13:45<dustin>whit it the partion I'm moving it to is assigned to /usr... can I mount the both on the saem drive?
13:45<Gleb>& my FDD doesn't work correctly under another linux
13:45<supaman>dustin: uhhh ... you want to move your home dir to the same partition as /usr is on?
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13:45<supaman>dustin: what will then happen to the /usr dir?
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13:46<dustin>yeah /home was only assigned 7mb on the partition
13:46<Gleb>it says that filesystem on fd0 is available only for reading
13:46<dustin>or can I resize it on the fly with gparted?
13:47<supaman>dustin: never tried gparted ...
13:47<supaman>dustin: but I would suspect you would have to umount the partitions you want to resize before
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13:47<Gleb>it doesn't mount & doesn't format
13:47<dustin>I may have to reintall... the partiontions are all screwed up.
13:48<supaman>dustin: that could be the simplest solution yes
13:48<dustin>thanks for the advice though!
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14:09<hramrach>Gleb: why can't you set up grub under chroot? Always worked for me
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14:11<hramrach>Gleb: And if your floppy is readonly it might be bios setting, some bioses have such option
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14:31<guillaume>hpet doesn't work with sid and kernel source on my dell laptop, any suggestion ?
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14:32<Gleb>hramrach: it says 'Fatal: staid_setup: stat ("/dev/sda")'
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14:33<hramrach>Gleb: perhaps you should mount /dev, /proc, and /sys into the chroot
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14:33<hramrach>something like mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
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14:34<hramrach>the other two can be mounted twice without problems
14:36<hramrach>ond if you have a different kernel version sda may change to hda or the other way around. The joys of Linux "design by implementation"
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14:40<as>hello everybody
14:43<as>Does somebody know how to save the desktop configuration, so it appears exactly in the same style after rebooting the system? I use Etch and Gnome
14:44<guillaume>i can't make hwclock to run under my sid, and it's really annoying because it make packages upgrade fail when they use init.d script stop | start...
14:44<hramrach>as hibernation?
14:44<guillaume>as : you have to use hibernate
14:45<as>ok, thank you! I didn't hear about it before
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14:46<Gleb>& how to mount /dev, /proc & /sys into chroot?
14:47<hramrach>as: however, the style should be saved automatically. If it does not there is something broken. What does hibernation save is the execution state - all the opne applications
14:47<hramrach>Gleb: obviously you use mount --bind for /dev/ before you chroot
14:48<hramrach>and mount /proc and /sys inside the chroot if needed
14:48<as>hey cool!
14:48<as>It works fine!!!
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14:52<as>Unfortunatly it doesn't solve excatly the problem why I asked at the channel. So, maybe you have an other idee. Always Open Office appears when I start my system. This was not always the case. I must have pressed some short-cut or did something unknow. Now, I don't know to remove it. On the other hand It would be fine if I could configure the desktop, so it always appears with a couple of programms...
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14:55<cyorxamp>Lo I've got my bluetooth dongle working but instead of getting my device to pair with the PC (like the wiki article says) I need my PC to pair with the device (it's a headset, limited buttons on it) - is there a utility I can install to initiate the pairing?
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14:55<Fen>wrong button
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14:59<Fen> , could someone help me how to repair that error ?
15:01<Gleb>hramrach: works!
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15:14<amorphous>Tarcas, sorry, been busy. It's a SATA hdd. to refresh... I trying to use debian installer from CD. on startup the machine is claiming 'no disk drive was detected' and asking me to provide the drive name from a list. The Disk is not in the list (WD800JD - SATA).
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15:16<amorphous>Tarcas, startup is pausing on 'sata2.00 failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0X104)
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15:18<amorphous>Tarcas, preceeded by " unexpected ORQ trap at vector b0"
15:19<cwood>A debian-to-elsewhere question. I ssh somewhere, and it keeps irritatingly setting my remote $TERM to rxvt-unicode, my local term type. How do I get it to quit setting my remote terminal type to the type that exists here?
15:19<amorphous>and superseeded by sata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
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15:35<client>hi, i'm not sure if this is the correct room to post in, so please let me know if i'm off topic. I formated the wrong drive in ext3, any way i can recover ntfs files from it?
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15:36<CaptainPants>client: you may want to dd the drive somewhere, if you have enough space to
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15:36<client>captain, dd the drive?
15:37<tmg1|hardy>dd if=(drive) of=(somewhere so you can analyze the data) bs=1024 count=(sizeofdrive)
15:37<tmg1|hardy>(caution: dd when used improperly can break things good)
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15:41<cwood>Yeah, but it's fun to break things with dd.
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15:42<client>thanks guys
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15:42<amorphous>could anyone help me out with getting the installer started. I;m trying to install etch on an optiplex 320, but the etch CD doesn't appear to have drivers for my SATA WD800JD hdd
15:43<cwood>amorphous: I've tried to install Debian on newer-model Dell stuff before. You might be able to find somebody's hand-rolled install cd with the appropriate drivers somewhere on the net.
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15:43<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
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15:44<amorphous>cwood, thanks. I'll have a hunt...
15:44<cwood>Like the man said. One of these "Debian has everything" moments.
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15:48<amorphous>cwood, dpkg, I;m trying to get etch4.0 stable -- if i get one of the custom kernels, am I entering testing and losing the 'stable'-ness of it all?
15:49<cwood>amorphous: usually when you use an installer with the driver you need, you install a regular Debian kernel in the install process that has the driver you need for regular booting. Remember that install media are space-constrained, so tend to only have the most common drivers.
15:49<cwood>amorphous: my experience has been that the regular Debian stable kernel always serves my needs.
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15:51*amorphous is feeling a little new to all this, although he's not too bad once he gets going... :|
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15:52<cwood>It hurts less as time goes on.
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15:52<cwood>And installing via non-standard methods is great practice for system recovery.
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15:53<amorphous>cwood, i think u get you, but am concerned that if I dont use a regular kernel & install custom, am i installing a custom kernel that insn;t neccesarily stable? or does it involve making another kernel once inside?
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15:54<cwood>amorphous: remember the difference between the kernel the installer uses to boot up into the install system, and the regular kernel that's installed as part of the installation.
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15:54<cwood>eg the OS installed on the cdrom, or the OS installed on your HD
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15:57<Pleb2>Hey all
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16:01<sagarp>i've got an iso image inside an NFS share, but i can't mount gives me "permission denied"
16:01<sagarp>is that normal?
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16:03<sepski>sagarp, normal if you dont have permission
16:03<sepski>otherays no mounting a iso from a nfs mounted directory is no problem
16:04<sagarp>i have rx on the iso
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16:05<amorphous>cwood, so if i install using a custom cd, i'll still install the basic etch kernel to the system install (am i using the word install a lot here... :?
16:05<cwood>amorphous: your custom installer cd will be installing the same usual Debian stable kernel as anybody else might, yes.
16:06<cwood>Well, in all likelihood... but that's my experience.
16:06<amorphous>cwood, spot on. thanks, i'll get in there & get on then :)
16:06<sepski>amorphous, unless it's custom in the part that it installs a different kernel.... just depends on the disk in question me thinks
16:06<cwood>Quite welcome. Enjoy.
16:07<cwood>If the installer is pulling debs from a standard Debian mirror, he'll get the usual kernel.
16:07<Medalgod>sagarp, change to root, do a chmod 777 <file> & then try mounting again
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16:08<mahiwaga>hey, when will the next version of debian will be release
16:09<sagarp>Medalgod, it worked...i guess i need write on it too for some reason
16:09<gravity>mahiwaga: It's scheduled for September
16:09<Medalgod>:P dont ask :s
16:09<wired>fuck ya
16:09<gravity>essential is frozen as of now
16:09<mahiwaga>thanks gravity
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16:14<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:"
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16:24<amorphous>cwood, what is an 'etch d-i'? does that mean it's just the install cd?
16:24<cwood>amorphous: yes. d-i usually means debian-installer
16:25<amorphous>hehehe... d'ya think i could think of what the 'd' stood for????
16:25<amorphous>think i may need a break :/
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16:28<as>Hello again
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16:33<as>Does somebody know how to arrange several windows on a Gnome desktop automatically (keyword: tiling)? Maybe by using short-cuts, to place on window on the left of the screen and an other to the right
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16:37<xid>as, right clic on top barr> add new one
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16:38<xid> top/bottom barre
16:38<as>What do you mean by barre?
16:39<cwood>as: there's wmctrl
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16:39<xid>as, or run " gnome-control-center"
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16:40<wired>is there programing channels?
16:40<as>ok, I am in gnome-control-center
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16:42<as>no, I cannot find something like programing channels
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16:45<as>Sorry guys, I have no idea what to do
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16:46<as>xid: could you tell me again what you mean by top/buttom barre
16:46<cwood>as: the tool to arrange windows is wmctrl
16:47<as>cwood: so I have to install this tool first?
16:47<as>because I cannot find it
16:47<cwood>Hm. it's in Sid, not sure where else it is.
16:47<cwood>and yes, if you can't find it, likely you have to install it.
16:47<as>I use Etch
16:47<as>ok, I am going to look for it
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16:48<cwood>as: you could possibly download the source and compile it for your system.
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16:48<as>very good! I have it
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16:49<as>apt-get install wmctrl worked
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16:51<as>Is wmctrl only command line based?
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16:53<amphi>as: yes
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16:53<as>but, better than nothing
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16:53<wired>i just got mpd
16:54<amphi>you could use it to write a tiling shell script quite easily, I expect
16:54<cwood>as: I have a wrapper around wmctrl to auto-centre, auto-resize, etc. any window I click on, depending on wrapper parameters. Very useful for all sorts of things.
16:56<as>This sounds good
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16:57<as>I would like to have a program that puts a window to the top/buttom left/right when it is in the focus and is press a key combination (e.g. ctrl-arrow left and arrow down)...)
16:58<as>how do you pass the windows name/id?
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17:00<as>cwood: would you forward your wrapper, so I could see how you do it?
17:01<cwood>as: it's perl... I'll pm you the url
17:01<wired>wow, i just installed wmctrl
17:01<as>cwood: I would be very thankfull
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17:02<xid>as, or run " gnome-control-center" > Apparence> Main Menu > there you may add *new* preffered apps
17:03<cwood>It's a bunch of roughly coded crap, but it more or less works for me.
17:05<xid>as, now that you have "top/buttom left/right" bars, may use right click mouse to add new progammes there
17:06<as>cwood: thank you! I got it
17:06<as>I am going to have a look on it
17:07<as>xid: thank you! I am also trying to follow your hinds
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17:11<raccoonboy>dose anyone know how to setup a link between my jre files and my browser? I followed all the instructions but can't get the browser to recognize the link
17:11<xid>as, well, its a verry simpliste one
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17:12<as>xid: I cannot find appearance
17:12<as>I use german language
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17:12<xid>System > Preferences> Appearance
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17:13<as>System->Preferences yes, but what is Appearance???
17:13<as>what comes above?
17:13<as>or below?
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17:13<xid>Appearance == themes ?
17:14<as>Appearance = Thema
17:14<as>yes ok
17:14<as>now I see: Thema installieren = add appearance
17:15<xid>enter Main Menu
17:15<as>that is not possible
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17:16<as>I guess it's not the dialog we are looking for
17:17<xid>yes , is ther where you may add new programmes
17:17<xid>(in Main Menu)
17:18<as>could you tell me what dialog is above and below appearance in system->preferences
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17:18<as>sorry, what dialogs are above and below the menu appearance
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17:21<xid>Main Menu + appearance + Fensters+ Screen economiser
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17:23<as>I am getting crazy
17:23<xid>as, you are in " gnome-control-center' ?
17:23<as>I don't know how to follow your instructions
17:23<xid>run that
17:23<as>one second
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17:24<as>could you please count the symbols from the begining or the end
17:25<as>so I get what appearance is
17:26<xid>enter Thema> Main Menu
17:27<as>Thema as an icon showing a shirt and tie?
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17:28<xid>enter Main Menu directly
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17:28<as>I cannot enter main menu directly
17:29<xid>sure, you can
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17:29<as>from the beginning again
17:29<as>I run gnome-control-center
17:30<as>then I enter Thema of Main Menu
17:30<xid>all is visuall so click to see what is in
17:30<as>can you describe the icon
17:30<as>what must it look like?
17:31<xid>you are stupide ?
17:32<as>I cannot find your main menu
17:33<as>There is no main menu when I enter Thema (or Appearance)
17:33<xid>enter Main Menu directly
17:33<xid>not in Thema
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17:34<as>ok, I found something named Menu and Tools
17:34<as>maybe this is correct
17:35<xid>add what you want
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17:37<tj83>anyone seen mysupper around here lately?
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17:38<as>I have not learned anything in the last 30 minutes. I still didn't get what you tried to help me
17:39<as>tj83: no
17:39<tj83>as I dont run debian anymore and only did briefly... what are you trying to do?
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17:41<as>I am look for a wm manager. I am wondering if it is possible to arrange windows by using short-cuts on the desktop (like tiling)
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17:41<Zalewa>how do I make this retarded exim4 send email to It keeps saying Unroutable address
17:41<Zalewa>what the hell?
17:42<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
17:42<as>by pressing ctrl + arrow left a window should fill the left side of my screen....
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17:43<tj83>as... sorry i dunno... how long have you been using debian? I have fallen in love with ubuntu.. i just stopped by to say hello to an old friend. sorry.
17:44<as>not very long time. Maybe half a year
17:44<Zalewa>petemc: yeah, I did that twice already, I'm not sure what should I type on some screens
17:44<tj83>as... no disrespect to debian or its users.. but have you tried ubuntu? much better for a desktop environment.
17:45<Zalewa>General type of mail = Internet Service, right?
17:45<Zalewa>then it asks me about System mail name, I type in "debian" since that's what my /etc/hostname file says
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17:46<Zalewa>next it asks about ip addresses to listen to, I leave there since that's what I need (PHP mail() function)
17:46<petemc>that would need to be a fully qualified domain name
17:46<as>I know package support is also faster, but I am more a friend of debian
17:46<Zalewa>now it asks me about Other destinations for which mail is accepted, what is this?
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17:47<petemc>leave it blank
17:47<Zalewa>like ?
17:47<Zalewa>domains to relay mail for
17:47<petemc>seems odd that you feel qualified to label exim4 retarded, yet you know nothing about email
17:47<tj83>well all... do me a favor... when mysupper comes in... tell him tj says hello and I can be found in #ubuntu on freenode.
17:47<as>xid: I propose we stop now. Nevertheless, I thank you very much!
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17:47<tj83>thanx in advance.. bye
17:48<Medalgod>tj83, generally coming to #debian to advertise another distro will get you no friends... all distros have their up's & downs. In my opinion ubuntu is good for noobs who don't need any kind of reliability or performance...but prefer to have a flashy desktop. Wheras debian is useful for it's speed of deployment
17:48<Zalewa>I know nothing about email because I didn't need to know anything till now
17:48<dpkg>well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
17:48<Medalgod>zalewa, does it work to other domains
17:48<Medalgod>as in not gmail
17:49<tj83>medalgod.. i wasnt advertising.. maybe recruiting as there a little.. but really came in here looking for an old "friend"
17:49<Medalgod>fair enuf
17:49<petemc>you can /whois people on a network without joining a channel
17:49<petemc>and /msg
17:49<gravity>!win petemc
17:49<dpkg>Congratulations, petemc! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
17:49<Medalgod>either way, i don't advertise gentoo on here, hust cos i use it. I am here to help other debian users...
17:50<Medalgod>just like i use several OS's, but stick to their own chanels to discuss them
17:50<as>Does anyone would like to advertise MS as well
17:50<Zalewa>ok, now it produced completely different error
17:50<petemc>nt4 rocketh mightily
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17:51<as>guys, I am leaving.
17:51<Zalewa>that's what I got
17:51<as>See you
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17:51<Medalgod>u wnt me to reccomend m$...sure i put forward 3.1... with networking obvsly ;)
17:52<amphi>trumpet winsock!
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17:52<petemc>Zalewa: so you need to use your isps mailserver as a smarthost
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17:53<cdavis>How can I do a du --max-depth=1 -h and only display directories that contain greater than 100 mb?
17:54<Medalgod>^^see wt petemc put... basically you can;t send mail directly from you're computer, unless it has a registered domain that matched the domain being sent from o_-
17:54<petemc>use find
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17:55<Zalewa>how do I make mail() in PHP work then? I don't want my mails to disappear into thin air because of gmail policy
17:56<petemc>its not just gmail policy, you'll find lots of people refuse mail from you
17:56<cwood>You need to have mail() relay mail through a better server.
17:56<Medalgod>idk how the mail() function works in PHP, but basically you need to send it to an email SMTP server to relay it on 4 u
17:56<cdavis>petemc, can I have an example?
17:56<petemc>as you've been told, you need to route your mail through your isps mailserver, use the smarthost config
17:56<petemc>cdavis: huh?
17:56<petemc>oh, find
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17:57<Zalewa>okay... my brother will worry about that then since I have other work to do
17:57<Zalewa>thanks for help and bye
17:57<memLeak>I had file on my /dev/hda1 drive in /home/user/downloads/somefile, and then I did a mv to /downloads on /dev/hdb1 and the file dissapeared
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17:57<cdavis>I can't seem to figure out how to tell it I am intersted in contents of directories instead of files inside them. What I am trying to do is search through maildir for anything over 100 mb
17:58<Medalgod>do a systemwide search for it memleak, you may have just typo'd
17:58<memLeak>Medalgod, I did find -name / filena*, and no luck
17:59<Medalgod>cdavis, its easier to do an ls, listed by size first, then only read down until size < 100MiB
17:59<kop>cdavis: du -sh | sort (of some flavor)
17:59<kop>cdavis : oops du -sh *
18:00<Medalgod>memLeak you can try to recover it (as a deleted file) off of the disk
18:00<kop>Medalgod : What ls option would give directory content size?
18:00<Medalgod>google for deleted fil recovery tools
18:00<Medalgod>i cnt rmemba, thre is one tho... do a man ls
18:00<memLeak>Medalgod, ok, cool, thanks. It was strange, cause I would expect the move to take a while, since it is between drives, but it was just an instant
18:01<Medalgod>btw, try and keep drive usage either to a minimum or off, as overwriting the original file will make it impossible to recover without a government forensics lab ;)
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18:02<cdavis>Medalgod, ls doesn't show me the size of a directorry and all its contents does it?
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18:02<kop>cdavis : He claimes it will. I prefer du.
18:02<Medalgod>it can, if you pass the rite parameter
18:03<memLeak>Medalgod, hmm, I did locate filename, and it should up where it was from the beginning, but when I do a ls from that directory, it doesn't list
18:04<kop>memLeak : (You might want to remount the drive read-only. Depending "mount -o remount,ro" (iirc) may be the best method so you don't have to unmount / mount.
18:05<Medalgod>did it begin with a . ?
18:05<memLeak>Medalgod, nope
18:05<cdavis>kop but that du sort doesn't actually sort by size, only by the number, ie, I get 941M, 94M, 96K 9.6M
18:05<memLeak>kop, but it is my root partition /
18:05<Medalgod>mite be worth a list hidden files anyway
18:05<Medalgod>just incase it appended one
18:05<Medalgod>or a bug appended one :p
18:05<memLeak>Medalgod, how do you do that
18:07<Medalgod>just a tik
18:07<memLeak>ls -a
18:07<Medalgod>thts it
18:07<memLeak>but it isn't showing up like that
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18:07<Medalgod>cdavis, try a ls --size >100M
18:08<Medalgod>i think thts it if i remember rite
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18:08<Medalgod>so basically it aint thre memLeak
18:08<Medalgod>umount the drive
18:08<memLeak>Medalgod, yeah, but for some reason locate shows it
18:09<Medalgod>so, it is thre?
18:09<cdavis>no that will redirect ls --size to the file > 100M
18:09<Medalgod>o shit ofc
18:10<Medalgod>just try an ls --size 100M
18:10<Medalgod>cnt rmember wetha it lists sizes smaller, bigger or precise size tho
18:10<memLeak>4 100M
18:10<witte>cdavis: or ls --size |sort -n
18:10<cdavis>--size isn't in man ls
18:10<cdavis>doh, yes it is
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18:11<Medalgod>lol, i thout i ws gna have to break out the manual, i jst cnt remember all these bits n pieces :P
18:12<Medalgod>memLeak, what about umount'in the drive n mounting it again
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18:12<Medalgod>does locate still show it
18:12<Medalgod>and does ls show it
18:13<memLeak>locate shows it, but ls does't
18:13<Medalgod>after a remount?
18:13<memLeak>But I didn't umount and mount, cause it root, and it is busy right now
18:13<Medalgod>o, its root
18:14<Medalgod>wt fstype is this
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18:16<Medalgod>hmm, file recovery on ext3=complete and utter bitch
18:16<allaun>anyone run into the growisofs under sudo thing?
18:17<memLeak>Medalgod, what do you use?
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18:17<Medalgod>for recovering files or as a filesystem
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18:18<Medalgod>fs=ext3, recovering files... i just dont delete the ones i need in the first place :p
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18:18<memLeak>same here
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18:19<Medalgod>i remember reading a comparison essay on the main linux fs's
18:19<Medalgod>man i was bored
18:19<Medalgod>but i certainly learnt alot
18:20<memLeak>Journaling rules eh
18:20<Medalgod>is this file majorly important to you is the question
18:20<gsimmons>allaun: man growisofs, see NOTES. If you have appropriate permissions to the device (eg. member of cdrom group), sudo isn't necessary.
18:20<memLeak>Medalgod, nah, no
18:20<memLeak>not at all
18:20<Medalgod>dont bother recovery then, you only have to look at to see how difficult it gets
18:21<memLeak>Medalgod, yeah, you gotta get into the bits and bytes of the harddrive
18:21<memLeak>sectors and cylinders
18:21<Medalgod>you do for any recovery, but ext3 is particularly wankered
18:22<Medalgod>whereas vfat is comparitively easy :p
18:22<memLeak>you are vfat proponent
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18:23<memLeak>It was just a movie, What would Jesus Buy
18:24<Medalgod>a no... i dont support vfat, & 2. dl it agen... nt that i support dling movies o_-
18:24<memLeak>Man...these Christians got all the Chinese working in sweat shops, and then they get holy, the chinese do double time, so many accidents and deaths, and then the Christians do Christmas
18:24<Medalgod>tnk god 4 the chinese ey :p
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18:25<memLeak>yeah, don't they ever love us
18:25<Medalgod>im sure they wud... if we paid em more for wring thre arses off :p
18:25<memLeak>Silent Night, holy night
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18:26<memLeak>Holy shit, that was some heat on friday, here in Toronto, hottest June 6th in history
18:26<Medalgod>meh... aslong as they keep makin my foxconn mobo's im happy wiv china
18:26<Medalgod>thre ws ment to be storms hre today in notts, uk... :p
18:26<memLeak>Better beware, chinese are competing for world resources, they have major investments all over planet,
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18:27<memLeak>It was so hot, I had to wrap a paper towel bandana on my head
18:28*Medalgod did the same... but to keep the rain off
18:28<memLeak>I am an outdoorsman, I do outdoor janitor work
18:28*Medalgod isnt :p
18:28<memLeak>at the local shopping mall
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18:29<memLeak> is such a chilling job, just walk around, picking trash, like I am on probation or something
18:30<memLeak>sweeping cigarette butts, changing, garbage bags, ...hahah. Funny country I live in, cause I have so many skills, like math and science and computers...but they are like hey, take this broom
18:30<memLeak>um like ok, this is easy
18:31<memLeak>$10/hr though, so tough to pay rent and buy food
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18:32<memLeak>Anyone see the movie Iron Man, that was pretty good, I thought
18:33<memLeak>Indianna Jones was pretty cool too
18:33<Medalgod>nt seen either
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18:34<memLeak>Speed Racer is awesome though
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18:38<amorphous>I;m trying to install etch on a dell optiplex 320. have had to install a custom disk due to SATA drives in the machine, and the only way to get the d-i disk to boot was noapic nolapci acpi=off. it boots, installs the system, but now the newly installed system won't boot up. just says Booting 'Debian GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.21-2-686, also says filesystem type is ext2fs, but i formatted the partition ext3, then theres the b
18:38<amorphous>oot params etc. can anyone help me?
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18:39<Medalgod>is this a grub problem you're having grief with or an os prob
18:40<Medalgod>cos it sounds like you haven't got the kernel flags set in grub rite
18:40<Medalgod>and maybe even /etc/fstab slitely rong
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18:42<memLeak>seriously, sata isn't working with the standard linux install disk?
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18:42<Medalgod>it sounds more like the BIOS is fukin him (being dell it cud be) and so its that that dusnt work as standared
18:43<interbird>amorphous: where does the boot stop ?
18:43<witte>memLeak: could be you need a newer kernel if you have sata problems
18:43<memLeak>ok, otherwise the debian install disks have no prob with sata eh
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18:43<memLeak>witte, not me, I was just wondering, cause I am gonna buy a new computer with sata soon
18:43<Medalgod>yh... i'm using a sata hdd rite now :p
18:44<Supaplex>I sold off a new dell a few weeks ago because of shoddy bios issues, poor/no sata support, and craptacular usb keyboard problems
18:44<witte>memLeak: ah, ok, it should work, and if it doesnt, there are debian installers with the latest kernels (/msg dpkg kmuto)
18:44<memLeak>but these old pc vendors are charging more for dell than ibm
18:45<witte>amorphous: which installer, because 2.6.21 is not default for debian
18:45<Supaplex>afait, the dell release of the bios was suspect. I nearly decided to reflash it with stock firmware (I forget the vendor of the mainboard). It was just eaiser to sell it off.
18:45<memLeak>the ibm are going cheap, I am gonna get ibm for sure, it the last of them too, cause they are lenova now, and they using plastic cases already
18:45*Medalgod just builds his own systems
18:45<Medalgod>it's the best way to go :0
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18:47<Supaplex>Medalgod: I still made a profit reselling it :) no worries. heh. kept a free spare keyboard and harddisk too.
18:47<memLeak>nah, I think refurbished is the best, the build em systems don't last as long, and aren't as fast, I trust these big manufacturers who hire tons of employees, they can build better than I
18:48<Medalgod>ner big companies are out to make dough
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18:48<Medalgod>they use shoddy components, poor airflow
18:48<Medalgod>and bottlenecked design
18:48<Medalgod>purely cos they can get component x a bit cheaper than the rite one to use
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18:49<memLeak>they sell, tons of each to big companies, that pay big buck, they do a better job than I
18:49<memLeak>they are 5lbs heavier than the build it youself PCs
18:49<Medalgod>oem's are particularly bad for putting in RAM with lower speeds than the cpu fsb... after all you're every day user doesn't know wtf an fsb is, nevermind caring about it
18:50<Medalgod>also building you're own means that you know you're hardware inside out, useful if you compile you're own linux kernel etc, as knowing you're hardware makes it far easier
18:50<memLeak>I find if you buy a brand name pc, and build one, if they have the same specs, the brand name runs faster, I can't be bothered to figure out the difference, and if you can then you can build them just a well, but not me
18:51<Medalgod>I built my pc out of parts off of ebay lol
18:51<Medalgod>well, mostly off of ebay
18:52<memLeak>ebay is too expensive with shipping costs I find
18:52<Medalgod>ebay...expensive :p
18:52<memLeak>well, truly I never bought off ebay though, one day I will
18:52<Medalgod>i buy too much from ebay
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18:52<Medalgod>only last nite i spent 25 quid on ebay :s
18:53<amorphous>witte, custom d-i reccomended from here. I cant get SATA to work with the official disk(s)...
18:54<Medalgod>have you checked for alternate SATA modes in the BIOS, PATA emulation would be the best for you probs ;)
18:54<amorphous>interbird the boot stops at the beginnning, i hve no access to ctrl/alt/f1 would nosplash do any goo, i ask myself...
18:55<Medalgod>exactly wt dus it print on screen before stopping
18:55<amorphous>witte, is there a way to get SATA drive install for etch officially
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18:55<Medalgod>amorphous, the standard netinst cd will install sata disks no probs
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18:56<amorphous>Medalgod - ok -- will try it :) thanks...
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18:57<Woet>is it possible to give 2 groups access to a file?
18:57<witte>amorphous: well, Medalgod is right, but some drivers are not yet in the etch kernel
18:57<interbird>amorphous: can you access this partition by some other way (knoppix) and #flood some files ?
18:57<Woet>or 2 users, for that matter.
18:57<Medalgod>!its midnite, last time i luked at the clok it ws only 6
18:57<memLeak>amorphous, try to install again, if you can't even boot, means you haven't gotten anywhere yet, I usually do a few installs the first time, before I give a up
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18:58<witte>amorphous: best official attempt would be etchnhalf
18:58<dpkg>rumour has it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
18:58<Woet>is it possible to chown a file/directory to multiple users or groups?
18:58<Medalgod>thre shudnt be a driver prob for a pretty standard sata disk
18:58<Medalgod>id reccomend a standard install
18:59<Medalgod>do bios updates
18:59<Medalgod>change the sata version in the bios around until you find one that works
18:59<memLeak>yeah I think he just made a mistake during install, let the installer partition auto for you
18:59<witte>Medalgod: not for the disk, but for the sata controller there could be problems, but you are right, first attempt should be a normal etch netinstall
18:59<amorphous>have installed twice. Install goes ok, but booting new system doesn't work :(. interbird --- i can boot into a hardy live disk... ...?
19:00<Medalgod>ubuntu... meh :p
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19:00<Woet>is it possible to chown a file/directory to multiple users or groups?
19:00<witte>amorphous: in that case, it should work, and it is probably a grub issue?
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19:00<Medalgod>can you tell us the exact messages that appear on screen
19:00<interbird>amorphous: that's whay i asked... could be something wrong with grub menu.lst, fstab or other system-files; if you can access and put some on #flood i could look at them
19:01<amorphous>witte, am an ubuntu 'user' really, although i'm getting more involved & better at hacking at it...
19:01<Woet>is it possible to chown a file/directory to multiple users or groups?
19:01<amorphous>ok -- i'll give it a go...
19:01<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
19:01<amorphous>..back in a bit :)
19:01<amorphous>...thanks guys.
19:02<witte>amorphous: just use your ubuntu live cd to go to the disk, check the boot/grub/menu.lst file
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19:02<amorphous>witte - am booting now....
19:03<Woet>is it possible to chown a file/directory to multiple users or groups?
19:03<witte>!tell Woet about repeat
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19:03<interbird>Woet: no, standard access is owner, group, other; but you might want to check-out the acl and attr packages
19:03<Woet>interbird: got a link?
19:04<dpkg>methinks acl is Access Control List,,, at
19:04<interbird> with linux acl should get you somewhere
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19:09<memLeak>hows debian wireless drivers these days, I never got wireless yet
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19:10<witte>memLeak: depends
19:10<memLeak>I tried mod assistand for ndswrapper, it wasn't working
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19:10<memLeak>that was a few years ago
19:10<interbird>Me thinks pretty good; depending on the chipset used...
19:10<witte>memLeak: ndiswrapper should work, if you would want it, but there are many native linux drivers
19:10<memLeak>what chipset if any just works with standard kernel
19:11<witte>memLeak: however, the etch kernel is quite old, newer kernels are certainly better
19:11<ty>who are you
19:11<interbird>ndiswrapper if no native solution succeeds, i propose
19:11<z>I am trying to install Debian on old 400mhz b0x, and it keeps getting stuck at 'retrieving base-installer', I've burned another copy and tried that, same result. Any help here?
19:11<ty>do you know what your talking about
19:12<interbird>z: what install disc do you use ?
19:12<memLeak>z, what is you problem, can you find a part time job, hehe?
19:12<z>interbird: the first one.
19:12<z>memLeak: I just like old b0x3n.
19:12<interbird>the first one you ever downloaded ? :-)
19:13<witte>memLeak: look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
19:13<ty>why are you so dumb
19:13<interbird>z: there are severalmethods...
19:13<ty>linux rocks
19:13<interbird>s/lm/l m/
19:13<ty>windows stinks
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19:14<witte>z: have a look in the console to see what the real error is (ctrl-alt-f4 iirc)
19:14<z>interbird: to cut to the chase... <this one
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19:16<Medalgod>checksum the dl'd image against the md5 sum on the site
19:16<interbird>z: choose expert mode and choose a i386 kernel; you can change that later
19:17<z>witte: Debug: resolver <module>, <module> already installed
19:17<z>witte: then hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd- { busy }
19:18<z>failed opcode was: unkown ATAPI reset complete
19:18<z>a break after unkown
19:18<interbird>try nodma
19:20<z>interbird: could you give me the full line?
19:20<Medalgod>you put it as a kernel flag at the begining of the install
19:20<Medalgod>when it asks to boot or add flags
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19:25<amorphous> can anybody tell me the difference between ia64 and amd64 install cd's?
19:25<dpkg>[amd64] the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
19:26<Tuplad>I've got a problem. I have a 500gb external harddrive which is on ext2/3. A month or 2 ago I switched back to windows to troubleshoot my hardware and stuff, but today I've got this "thing". I use a driver to view my hdd from windows, but my windows got all virussed up, so I had problems with it, it kept restarting and giving BSODs. I tried an ubuntu live cd, it didnt work, dont know why, but when I finally got my windows working (removed some s
19:26<Tuplad>from autostart) - my external hdd isnt working anymore. It says it's fat 32 and 500gb free. Am I doomed?
19:26<interbird>ia64 is *not* x86-64
19:26<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
19:27<witte>Tuplad: what is your question an how does it relate to debian?
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19:28<interbird>in short: amd64 is amd's extension to the i386 architecture; ia64 is a *completely different* architecture and not used for desktop-computing
19:28<Medalgod>^^it can be
19:28<Medalgod>its the intel itanium architecture
19:29<Tuplad>witte: oh right...
19:29<witte>amorphous: if you would have ia64, you would now it
19:29<Medalgod>and linux can use it, so thres no reason why i couldnt use it as my desktop :p
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19:29<amorphous>ok. point taken - i wont install it then :P
19:29<Tuplad>witte: oh well, because I'm a debian user and used to come here often... but then I switched you know. this is more like linux help I guess
19:29<interbird>Tuplad: looks like a corrpupted drive; what filesystem whas on it?
19:29<Tuplad>interbird: ext3 I think, or 2... and it worked PERFECTLY
19:30<interbird>Tuplad: did you try to access that with windows ?
19:30<Tuplad>interbird: I am on windows
19:30<Tuplad>interbird: I am planning to install linux back today
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19:30<Medalgod>o dear... a case of MS screwing things up agen :p
19:30<witte>Tuplad: your disk wont be f@##ed, but, you probably just need to mkfs it (completely, mbr etc)
19:30<Tuplad>witte: I dont care so much about the disk, but what's on it...
19:31<Medalgod>it sounds like it's reformatted ur disk... as a present for you :p
19:31<interbird>Tuplad: i know, but this is an external drive, ext2/3 formatted; did you try to access that with windows ?
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19:32<Tuplad>Medalgod: oh I hope not
19:32<Tuplad>interbird: I am on windows now, if I try to access it I get a screen which says: "drive is unformatted, should I format ?"
19:33<Tuplad>interbird: it's like without the driver... (I use a driver to access ext3 fs -
19:33<interbird>Tuplad: once again: **never access a linux formatted drive from windows** -- it can be repaired from linux i think
19:33<Tuplad>interbird: lesson learned...
19:34<Tuplad>interbird: can it be recovered by a noobie?
19:34<interbird>Tuplad: can you boot linux ?
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19:38<ranix>interbird, Tuplad: windows simply cannot read the drive. You have done nothing dangerous or wrong. You may be able to read the drive with a different program, such as ext2fs
19:39<ranix>Tuplad: just don't let windows reformat or re-initialize the disk or whatever it will try to do, and you will be fine and lose no data
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19:39<ranix>Tuplad: there is nothing wrong with viewing an ext2 or ext3 filesystem from windows
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19:41<interbird>Tuplad: If you can boot Linux and access this drive the problem might be solveable...
19:41<Tuplad>well I cant boot linux right now as I dont have it on my system
19:42<interbird>Tuplad: One very handy CD would be KNOPPIX
19:42<Tuplad>hell yeah :)
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19:42<Tuplad>ranix: I didnt push anything, I dont trust windows, lol.
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19:42<interbird>although witte does not agree, it seems :-)
19:42<Tuplad>so the information can be recovered ?
19:43<Tuplad>I think I've read somewhere ext cant be recovered :O
19:43<Tuplad>oh I hope so
19:44<interbird>can you stay on this channel while trying to solve this problem or is it the same box you are online with now?
19:44<witte>interbird: well, knoppix is ok, but grml has more tools (maybe not so good for newbies, but certainly advisable to give it a try)
19:45<amorphous>Medalgod, standard netinst cd has no sata drivers :( and my live cd dotn work :( not my best day.... hunt for systemrescuecd is underway!!!
19:45<Tuplad>interbird: it's on the same box
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19:45<Tuplad>interbird: I'll probably do it tommorow, installing linux etc.
19:45<Tuplad>I have an old debian copy here
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19:46<interbird>Tuplad: Once you are on linux, and you connect this (usb?) drive...
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19:46<interbird>Tuplad: do an fdisk -l
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19:48<interbird>Tuplad: then a fsck -n of that partition
19:49<interbird>Tuplad: if no "heavy" errors are reported, repeat the fsck command without the -n (-n just reports and does not alter your disk)
19:49<Tuplad>may I ask what the fdisk is for?
19:49<dpkg>fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions.
19:50<interbird>witte: agree, but knoppix is handy for this; there are always more sophisticated tools, but one must be able to use them
19:50<Tuplad>witte: I understand, but I mean, what's the use of it ? like... what is it used for in this particular situation ?
19:50<interbird>Tuplad: To get a list of the partitions on the drive
19:51<ranix>Tuplad: you probably overwrote the partition table somehow and the actual daata on the drive is intact
19:51<ranix>Tuplad: you want to find all the data and properly regenerate what has been destroyed
19:51<Tuplad>let me note that
19:51<witte>Tuplad: "fdisk -l" lists your partitions and their filesystem
19:51<ranix>Tuplad: there are a couple ways to do that, I personally have not yet had cause to try
19:51<interbird>ranix: I hope not, but sometimes Windows can alter a disk that is recoveable from within linux; i hope it true in this case
19:52<ranix>interbird: read the original problem, it has been formatted fat32
19:52<interbird>he said ext2/2
19:52<ranix>interbird: in the original long sentence up higher, he said it is showing up as fat32
19:52<interbird>and he was using the ext2/3 windows driver... (?)
19:53<Tuplad>the harddrive was actually ext2 or ext3 originally
19:53<Tuplad>and I was using a driver to view it from windows
19:53<Tuplad>but today it suddenly shows up as fat32 and windows asks to format it
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19:53<interbird>that's why i proposed to do a fdisk -l -- if it's fat it'll be 0b or something, otherwise it'll be 83
19:54<memLeak>I use cfdisk
19:54<interbird>the first step is to identify the disk-layout and the file-systems on it...
19:54<ranix>Tuplad: yeah, he's right there. You're going to want to know if the disk has been altered, or if windows is messing up
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19:54<Tuplad>what if it's altered?
19:55<witte>Tuplad: how badly do you need the stuff that is on that disk?
19:55<ranix>then you have to fix it if you can with a data recovery program/tool
19:55<memLeak>if windows altered, you are screwed, unless you do some super high tech stuff, which....wowo
19:55<ranix>it's not that hightech, norton sells one
19:55<Tuplad>witte: very bad
19:55<ranix>drive doctor or something
19:55<Tuplad>witte: it's like a whole life work on there
19:56<interbird>Tuplad: There is no answer for that; it depends on what is altered; first check what partitions are on the drive and what file-systems
19:56<witte>Tuplad: well, for the next time: backups
19:56<Tuplad>I'll report back tommorow probably
19:56<ranix>simple backups
19:56<Tuplad>witte: hell yeah! I'mma buy usb sticks
19:56<interbird>Tuplad: what is your time now ?
19:56<Tuplad>but I also had like 60gb music on there ;(
19:56<ranix>usb sticks for backup?
19:56<memLeak>whole lifes work, hahhaa, what kind of work, I have back ups, that I never ever ever touched
19:56<Tuplad>interbird: 1:56 am
19:56<interbird>Tuplad: what time tomorrow ?
19:56<Tuplad>ranix: suggestions ? :D
19:57<Tuplad>interbird: actually, today lol
19:57<ranix>Tuplad: dump/restore with a DLT drive
19:57<Tuplad>I guess as soon as I wake up I'll install debian 4 etch
19:57<memLeak>I have the cds, like there you go some backups, and then sometimes I even pop in the disk, but thats its, its worthless. Do something today is what I say
19:57<Tuplad>ranix: o_O
19:57<ranix>tower of hanoi, off-site fire proof safe
19:57<ranix>that's what I do
19:57<witte>Tuplad: I would advise a nas for backup: different machine, different hard disk
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19:58<memLeak>what about cd's for backup?
19:58<Tuplad>witte: good idea, too broke to afford one though. gotta look for cheap alternatives
19:58<Tuplad>memLeak: dvds sound good ==)
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19:58<ranix>dual layer dvds cost more than a liver transplant
19:58<witte>Tuplad: nas is not that expensive, a bit more expensive than an external HD...
19:58<ranix>what is up with that
19:58<Tuplad>ranix: tower of hanoi is a game :o
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19:58<ranix>they're like 3 bux each
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19:59<interbird>I would advise dowloading knoppix CD, boot from that, checkout drive; if FAT -> use windows to repair, if ext2/3 use Knoppix to repair
19:59<Tuplad>witte: is that what u mean ?
19:59<forces>queria saber si las ultimas ISOs de debian lenny ya traen el bug de openssl resuelto
19:59<forces>alguien sabe?
19:59<witte>Tuplad: yes
20:00<memLeak>Tuplad, usually when I wanna share with Windows, back when I first started using linux and had dual boot, I have three partitions, one with Linux(ext3) one with Windows(ntfs) and one for sharing between which I made fat32
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20:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:00<Tuplad>memLeak: and you made backups on fat32?
20:01<Tuplad>what about just getting an extra harddrive instead of an external one ?
20:01<interbird>Tuplad: Beter is om Linux te starten van CD voor de reparatie
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20:01<memLeak>Tuplad, backup on CD's or DVD's, don't you have a burner, you can get one for $30 around here
20:01<Tuplad>interbird: ik ga knoppix downloade dan
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20:02<witte>Tuplad: that is also possible, in theory, it is best to put the hard drive in an other box
20:02<interbird>zou ik doen
20:02<Tuplad>memLeak: no probs, but cds... dunno.. dont seem so safe
20:02<witte>interbird: Tuplad: #debian-nl?
20:02<Tuplad>witte: I'll try :}
20:02<memLeak>Tuplad, well, harddrives don't last 100years either
20:03<Tuplad>memLeak: true
20:03<Tuplad>memLeak: but what I mean with not too safe... they break quick, they get scratches etc.
20:03<interbird>witte: sometimes a native language can say more in less; sorry -- tranlation: advised boot from knoppix cd for repair
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20:03<witte>memLeak: but two are rarely broken at the same time
20:03<witte>interbird: i know ;-)
20:04<witte>interbird: it is just not appropriate in this channel, and there are alternatives...
20:04<interbird>I know I was in violation :-)
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20:05<witte>interbird: there really is a #debian-nl, although there are only 9 persons there at the moment, and rarely anyone says anything :-)
20:05<memLeak>Tuplad, not if its a backup, just pack it up into a box, and stick in the closet, what gonna happen
20:05<memLeak>Tuplad, Go to the back and get a safety deposit box
20:06<Tuplad>memLeak: good idea
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20:06<Tuplad>so backing up on dvds is not that bad?
20:06<interbird>witte: Yeah, we are so silent because we don't have any problems with our systems :-)
20:06<memLeak>I wonder how much it cost for safety deposit box
20:07<memLeak>Tuplad, but notice with burned disk, sometimes, other drives can't read them, but the one you burn them on can
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20:07<memLeak>Tuplad, I say you just forget about your music collect and buy a am/fm radio
20:08<Tuplad>they dont play my music on the radio :(
20:08<memLeak>well, if a few years, you won't be listening to 'your' music either
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20:09<memLeak>I found some old music backups, I tossed them out, I kept my docs backups, but I never use them, I can toss them too
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20:09<memLeak>I guess seven years is the limit, keep something in storage for seven years, and if you never touch them, its safe to toss them. Thats what businesses do with their docs
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20:11<memLeak>I got a doozie for you guys. I got a file, when I do locate filename it shows /home/user/downloads/filename, but when I go to that directory and do ls, its not there
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20:16<Tuplad>interbird: hey! what if I install cygwin and try checking the drives through that ? or isnt that a good idea?
20:16<Supaplex>memLeak: locate relies on updatedb, which is usually run nightly.
20:16<witte>Tuplad: I would say it is a waste of effort...
20:17<Tuplad>witte: lol ;) ok
20:17<memLeak>Supaplex, oh
20:17<interbird>Tuplad: no
20:17<memLeak>Supaplex, you know what happenned...I had a second drive, and I guess my user wasn't the owner of it, so when I moved a file to it, it left the main drive and didn't reach the second drive
20:18<memLeak>Tuplad, did you try to mount it even
20:18<interbird>Tuplad: First thing you do not want is write-access from a non-native system from within windows; if there is any data on this drive you want to save; use the knoppix-way or just format the drive
20:18<witte>Tuplad: if you just download a live cd, you have a full linux system
20:19<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage:, or irc://
20:19<memLeak>Tuplad, first thing I would do is cfdisk /dev/hd*, and then see what is there
20:19<Tuplad>roger that
20:19<Tuplad>interbird: well, lol, the driver had write access
20:19<Tuplad>interbird: I could choose read only, but I had to store info on the hdd, so I chose write rights
20:19<interbird>well, that's why there is no access now :-)
20:20<Tuplad>:( ?
20:20<Tuplad>dont tell me I got roflpwned
20:21<interbird>did you read the accompanying docs that came with the ext2 windows-driver ?
20:22<Tuplad>:\ nope
20:22<memLeak>Microsoft hates linux, they will have you arressted if they can
20:22<interbird>you can read them now to get a clue why you are in this situation -- no offense
20:23<memLeak>Ever since I started running Linux my resumes get no response
20:24<witte>memLeak: you mean you are applying for a job with microsoft?
20:24<Supaplex>memLeak: they only like their own flavor of vendor lock in. the arrested part sounds trollish/fud. as far as your resume is conserned, it depends on the receiver. I didn't have windows anything on my resume on my recent job.
20:24<memLeak>no, anywhere, but I applied to them too
20:25<alexfire>hello geeks :)
20:25<alexfire>does anybody install a LTSP server ?
20:25<Supaplex>geeks in #debian? who'd a thought?
20:25<dpkg>ltsp is probably the linux terminal server project, at, or, or #ltsp on
20:26*witte thinks alexfire probably ment "hello geeks and witte :-)
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20:28<memLeak>not here, but on #ltsp, for sure
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20:28<Supaplex>alexfire: what'd dpkg just say?
20:29<alexfire>yep but anybody give me an answer back at #ltsp
20:30<memLeak>I don't know what the ltsp business anyway, there has long been telnet and ssh and...
20:30<Tuplad>interbird: roger that
20:30<alexfire>tftp, nfs, xdmcp ...
20:31<Supaplex>alexfire: so dpkg didn't answer your question? was of no use to you?
20:31<memLeak>alexfire, what you doing with it anyway, any issues?
20:32<interbird>Tuplad: There is lot's of 'inter-connecting' stuff from the linux-side of the spectrum; but not all is as grown-up as you might expect; always read and google before using it is a wise move...
20:32<Tuplad>interbird: roger that!
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20:38<interbird>Tuplad: you also know about #debian-nl don't you? help is there too and it's in your native language...
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20:42<Tuplad>interbird: Russian is my native language ;)
20:42<amorphous>interbird, got that machine working!!! :D --- it's an optiplex320 (dell) and it's a pig. if anybody asks dont recommend it. have to use lilo, grub wont work, they have usb issues (with linux -- and with KVM switches (hang in post)) - got it going though using lilo and noapic acpi-off nolapic. now i just have to get kdm on it and start to have a life again.
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20:43<Supaplex>amorphous: lovely POS isn't it? :p~
20:43<Supaplex>i'm so glad I rid myself of that trash-pc
20:43<amorphous>wassa POS Supaplex
20:44<amorphous>you been optiplexed, Supaplex
20:44<memLeak>ibm rules, and now that its lenova, I am gonna be always buying hp or compaq
20:44<witte>amorphous: probably a piece of a "very bad word" :-)
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20:44<interbird>amorphous: Hmmm, sounds like quite a bitch to me :-(
20:44<Supaplex>dpkg: wtf pos
20:44<dpkg>POS: piece of shit
20:44<amorphous>:( i got 5 :(
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20:45<amorphous>now, now dpkg
20:45<amorphous>is dpkg bot?
20:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
20:46<amorphous>Hehehe... 's good 'ere, init?
20:46<witte>!beer amorphous
20:46*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for amorphous
20:47<memLeak>that dpkg types really fast eh
20:47<amorphous>why, thank you, my good man.
20:47*Supaplex ponders where the soldering iron scuttled off to
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20:48<memLeak>In the beginning, I was like, hey, thanks dpkg, lol
20:48<Supaplex>!mmorpg kleptomaniac
20:48*dpkg fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at kleptomaniac for a total of 319 damage!
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20:48<Supaplex>he's a fun bot :)
20:49<Supaplex>woah. kernel: APIC error on CPU1: 00(40) wth?
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20:51<thepretender84>can someone help me with setting up compiz on lenny?
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20:52<thepretender84>i followed this tutorial:
20:53<thepretender84>but X keeps on restarting when I run fusion-icon
20:53<thepretender84>i have an nvidia video card
20:53<thepretender84>i have tried googling it, but after the 6th page, I haven't had any luck :-(
20:54<interbird>amorphous: That Grub does not work an Lilo does also 'baffles' me; since nothing 'scary' in going on at that stage just yet, besides accessing drive-controllers...
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20:54<dpkg>it has been said that compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
20:55<witte>thepretender84: i do not use it myself, but those pages referred to by dpkg should be the latest information...
20:55<thepretender84>thanks for the quick reply
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20:57<waawa>I am using an iMac G3. Don't tell me to go to the ppc one (no I'm not impatient, I just have common sense). How do I get an .mp3 file working here? VLC certianly doesn't play it. Not a problem with my sound card. I don't know what package, codec or whatever to et
20:58<dpkg>rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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20:58<Supaplex>mpg123 or xmms2 should be able to play it
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20:58<Supaplex>I'm sure there's more
20:58<Supaplex>!tell waawa -about search
20:58<waawa>oh right
20:58<waawa>forgot about xmms
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20:58<witte>waawa: the ones that Supaplex told about or mplayer, xine, ...
20:58<waawa>xmms played fine
20:58<waawa>so i'll get it
20:58<Supaplex>xmms is abaondoned
20:58<amphi>waawa: it's superseded by audacious, I believe
20:59<Supaplex>it might still be in etch, but not lenny.
21:00<waawa>please check that your soundcard is configured properly
21:00<waawa>how do i do that
21:00<witte>!alsa checklist
21:00<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
21:00<amorphous>well, well, well... i can boot my debian system (horrahh!!), but have no graphics, no x, no kde, and an ugly screen to start with :(
21:00<witte>!tell amorphous about set up x
21:01<waawa>fuck you guys are annoying as fuck.
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21:01<enouf>the trolls are coming out of the woodwork today ..
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21:02<amorphous>witte, he didn't type so fast that time!
21:02<Supaplex>!nurse waawa
21:02*dpkg gives waawa the diseased nipple
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21:02<witte>don't know why i am annoying, but, don't care either :-)
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21:04<waawa>mp3 works
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21:04<waawa>how do i eject a cd disc through the terminal?
21:04<Supaplex>eject /device
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21:05<waawa>do i type /device or am i supposed to give something
21:05<waawa>eject: unable to find or open device for: `/device'
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21:05<Tuplad>you gotta type the device name
21:05<witte>waawa: who is "annoying as fuck"
21:05<waawa>i have no clue what it is
21:05<waawa>witte: shut up
21:06<Supaplex>like /dev/cdrom (maybe)
21:06<Tuplad>witte: lol :)
21:06<waawa>that worked
21:06<witte>waawa: what are you doing here, do you have no bit of decency?
21:06<Supaplex>linux supports many optical drives at once. that's why you have to be specific
21:06<waawa>witte: get.. over... it
21:06<Tuplad>you guys look like a couple
21:07<Supaplex>awwwwe how cute.
21:07*waawa brb, puking ;_;
21:07<Supaplex>just kidding :)
21:07<Supaplex>ln -s /dev/null /dev/puke-bucket
21:08<waawa>ahh i gotta leve before the null jokes ;_;
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21:08<witte>Tuplad: waawa is the first person ever i have "/ignore" 'd
21:08<amorphous>eject /waawa
21:08<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
21:09<Supaplex>dpkg: waawa is <reply> You mean right?
21:09<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
21:09<Tuplad>supaplex is cheating
21:10<Supaplex>!lart /dev/sr0 no media found my *@$(@
21:10*dpkg decapitates /dev/sr0 no media found my *@$(@ conan the destroyer style
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21:13<amorphous>Wohoo!!! 3 solid days!!! it's 2.15am & I have a desktop!!!
21:13<witte>amorphous: does that mean only 4 machines to go? :-)
21:14<amorphous>!beer Supaplex witte interbird
21:14*dpkg pulls out an excellent Bornem Tripple for Supaplex witte interbird
21:14<amorphous>witte - dd
21:14<witte>amorphous: much appreciated :-)
21:14<witte>amorphous: what do you mean with dd?
21:14<amorphous>or something similar --- that systemrescuecd is good
21:14<amorphous>i'll ghost it
21:15<witte>amorphous: not my breastsize i hope :-)
21:15<amorphous>no.. mine...
21:15<amorphous>far too much pizza recently
21:15<witte>ah, you'll use dd to copy it :-)
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21:16<amorphous>something like that... although i have a lot of preparing to do on it first.
21:17<amorphous>am planning to have them in various locations across town... am going to have to get them to rsynch with one another, and run webdav so that some people with win lappies can get to files on them
21:18<amorphous>this will be my first attempt at a 'system' for someone and i hope to get some.... MONEY at the end of it all.!!!
21:18<witte>amorphous: maybe also have a look at unison, that is what i use to synchronize data
21:18<amorphous>not much, but a little bit :
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21:18<amorphous>how easy does it set up?
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21:19<amorphous>had a look at it briefly the other day
21:19<amorphous>but very brief as i was loosing it fast
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21:19<amorphous>and does it delete files that aren't there any more?
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21:20<witte>amorphous: aptitude install unison on linux
21:20<witte>it has a gui
21:20<amorphous>that's it????
21:21<amorphous>even on etch?
21:21<witte>don't know on windows, but it also works on windows
21:21<witte>amorphous: yes, just use the same version on every system
21:21<amorphous>Oh-errrr.... i like the sound of that!
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21:22<amorphous>right... i have a desktop looking at me and I have to get to sleep in celebration. (something rings not right about that, eh?)
21:23<amorphous>will check out unison tomorrow...
21:23<amorphous>witte, is unison secure online to windows boxes?
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21:23<amorphous>or is there a lot of config?
21:24*Tuplad waves goodbye.
21:25<witte>amorphous: it uses ssh
21:25<witte>amorphous: don't know how it does it on windows
21:25<amorphous>cheers Tuplad
21:25*Tuplad winks at amorphous.
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21:25<amorphous>witte - i'll check it out. Thank you :)
21:25<witte>amorphous: could be that the windows machine can't be the server, but it can be the client
21:25<amorphous>but for now I gotta bow out too...
21:26<amorphous>thanks v much for help and nice 'ambience'
21:27<amorphous>witte - does that mean they can't initiate contact?
21:27<witte>amorphous: i think the opposite
21:27*amorphous always gets confused with the server-client thing :(
21:27<witte>amorphous: a windows ssh server is not trivial
21:28<amorphous>Hmmm... later later...
21:28*amorphous is too easily distracted into not sleeping
21:28<amorphous>ok - i'm off (third time lucky!
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21:29<amorphous>thanks gents... i be seein' ya soon....
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21:29<witte>amorphous: so it is not trivial to connect to a windows server using ssh, but you will have to check it out on their website, i never used it with windows
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21:30<Supaplex>i've done it with cygwin before. there are plenty of how-tos from people that've done it before.
21:31<witte>Supaplex: you mean having an ssh server?
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21:39<Supaplex>yes. sshd on win32
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21:40<Supaplex>ah ha...
21:41*Supaplex is on to the cause of the missing media issue ...
21:41<witte>Supaplex: well, yes, it exists, but that is not anymore standard...
21:42<Supaplex>anymore standard? as in not standard/stable enough? a hack at best?
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21:44<witte>rather that you need to be rather knowledgeable that it exists and that it is possible to get it (at least for free, there are paying sollutions)
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21:49<Laeborg>if i am downloading over longer time (about a hour or two), my ethernet is crashing
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21:50<Laeborg>I didn't have that problem in windows
21:52<Supaplex>what indication do you have that it's crashing? any messages in syslog?
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21:54<Laeborg>Jun 7 18:57:46 localhost kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
21:54<Laeborg>x 4
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21:55<Supaplex>what network card is it? wired? wireless? lspci -nn | grep Eth (mostly for wired)
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21:56<Laeborg>its wired, 1gbit onboard
21:56<Laeborg>05:07.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169SC Gigabit Ethernet [10ec:8167] (rev 10)
21:57<Laeborg>I running Etch
21:57<Laeborg>I also had a problem with my onboard sound device. The kernel was too new for the sound card, but i fixed the problem, by deactivate the onboard sound
21:57<Supaplex>i've heard similar issues about this realtek chipset before. I'm not aware of any resolution or workarounds. I don't own one, so I don't have any way to reliably test it.
21:58<Supaplex>kernel is too new? or hardware is newer?
21:58<dpkg>somebody said etchnhalf was "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
21:58<Laeborg>the hardware for the soundcard was too new. Maybe its the same for the ethernet card
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21:59<Laeborg>I have thinkin about putting a older ethernet card in
21:59<Supaplex>try an etchnhalf kernel. #debian-boot knows more about it too
21:59<Supaplex>that's what I did for an nvidia ethernet onboard. the 3c905b-tx is much more stable. :)
22:00<Laeborg>okay, thank you so far
22:00<Supaplex>the only realtek network chipset I trust that much is 8139C+ - the other 100mbit ones are fair.
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22:03<Laeborg>But I think its funny that, I can surf ect. with the 1gbit ethernet device, but if i going to download/upload anything with my whole connection, the ethernet starts to lagging alot and the same with my usb mouse/keyboard
22:04<Laeborg>some times im lucky to stay connected here, but not on the 2-3 other IRC networks im currently on
22:04<Supaplex>realtek is known to be high interrupt. that's what's lagging the system
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22:07<Laeborg>okay, do you think it could solve the problem by changing netcard?
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22:07<Supaplex>I'm fairly certian
22:08<Laeborg>certian = sure ?
22:08<Laeborg>okay :)
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22:08<Laeborg>I will try that tomorrow. My GF is calling :P
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22:08<Laeborg>goodnight ;)
22:09<Supaplex>tell her hi for us ;)
22:09<Laeborg>hehe i will ;)
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22:48<bugsbunny>Hi - have a question. Know I've seen solution, but can't find it. Situation: Want to install dlocate. Depends on locate. I have mlocate installed and want dlocate to use mlocate instead of locate
22:52<bugsbunny>O know that there's a relatively easy way to state that mlocate provides locate, but can't remember - and can't find it
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23:00<kop>bugsbunny : apt (e.g. aptitude, synaptic, etc) does not do this automatically?
23:01<bugsbunny>no it doesn't
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23:02<avu>bugsbunny, you don't even have findutils installed?
23:02<bugsbunny>yes I do
23:02<avu>bugsbunny, at least on sid, the dependency of dlocate is locate | findutils
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23:03<tjb0607>vista ownz!!!!!!!
23:03<bugsbunny>right, but mlocate provides the same as locate - just faster
23:04<bugsbunny>I could install both, but don't want to
23:04<avu>bugsbunny, so? when you have findutils installed, you don't need locate to install dlocate
23:04<dendrite>bugsbunny: One hack is to create and install a dummy package that "Provides" locate.
23:05<tjb0607>DOS pwns!!1!!
23:05<bugsbunny>that hack is the one I was thinking of
23:05<dendrite>bugsbunny: You mean that apt-get install dlocate wants to install locate? Then maybe creating a dummy package is the way to go.
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23:05<tjb0607>microsoft 0wnz!1!!11
23:05<kop>bugsbunny : Maybe check the dpkg section of the debian reference at, or the debian wiki??
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23:06<tjb0607>take that back
23:06<bugsbunny>the findutils dependency isn't being honered because it specifies findutils<4.23.1-2
23:06<tjb0607>debian OWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:07<bugsbunny>I have 4.4.0-2
23:07<bugsbunny>correct dlocate wants to install locate
23:08<dendrite>bugsbunny: In your shoes I'd probably either create a dummy package, or package mlocate and set up a Provides line in the control file.
23:09<bugsbunny>thanks for this so far. What's the easy way to create a dummy package (package creation is something I haven't played with very much yet)
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23:09<dendrite>bugsbunny: This should give you the basic idea:
23:09<tjb0607>ubuntu is better than debian
23:10<tjb0607>i got kicked from #ubuntu on freenode.;(
23:10<bugsbunny>that looks like it should do it. Thanks very much!
23:10<dendrite>bugsbunny: Good luck with that. =)
23:11<tjb0607>I made an alien smiley! OP
23:12<peterS>tjb0607: do you have anything Debian-related to discuss?
23:13<tjb0607>ya debian is not as good as windows
23:13<peterS>tjb0607: why are you here then?
23:13<tjb0607>im bored :P
23:14<dendrite>peterS: Feeding trolls, are we?
23:14-!-mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
23:14-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by peterS
23:14-!-mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
23:14<peterS>dendrite: no, just making sure he didn't have anything useful to say
23:14<peterS>dendrite: I don't like to shut people up before giving them a chance to justify themselves
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23:15<peterS>but it seems pretty clear he isn't going to be of much use to the channel now, or vice versa
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23:16<dendrite>peterS: I could have sworn there was another, possibly simpler than dummy package, way to say something is installed, e.g., from source... You have any clue?
23:16<peterS>dendrite: equivs. which is, uh, maintained by me
23:16<dendrite>Dang! That's it.
23:16<dendrite>I can never remember that name. :-(
23:17<kop>Seems to me that debian should distribute udev rules that make ttyUSB devices (USB to RS-232 converter serial devices) persistant. In other words, if you've got more than one of these suckers plugged in, with some serial device attached, you want the device names persistant so you know what device is which. Anyone out there think this is stupid or should I submit a bug report?
23:17<dendrite>bugsbunny: ^^^ Also look into equivs.
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23:24<dendrite>peterS: So equivs basically cleans up and automates the creation of dummy and/or metapackages? Cool.
23:24<peterS>dendrite: more or less ... what it does is helps you create an empty package with a given name, given version, given set of dependencies, so as to help you hack around dpkg
23:25<dendrite>Gotcha. So my advice to bugsbunny wasn't too far off base, anyhow.
23:28<bugsbunny>still here :) No it wasn't that far off - and equivs was what I had seen before for this. Hmm O have the dummy created, but haven't installed it yet. Let me try equivs
23:29<dendrite>bugsbunny: equivs basically does what you just did, from my understanding.
23:29<bugsbunny>And I do have equivs installed
23:30<bugsbunny>ya - but I want to see how it works for future rederence. Easier to remember once I've actually done it
23:30<dendrite>Sure, that makes sense.
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23:45<bugsbunny>Thanks all :) equivs is a bit simpler than the other way, but they both do do basically the same thing. Worked like a charm. dlocate installed, no more locate gripes.
23:45<kop>Uh, so if I want to make an rss feed should I be using the Dave Winer (2.0) or the RSS Avisory Board specs?
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