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---Logopened Sun Jun 08 00:00:58 2008
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00:03<domenico>che roba è?
00:04<xid>here #debian-en
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00:05<domenico>è una chatt ?????
00:05<xid>domenico, entra #debian-it
00:06<domenico>piacere... sono nuovo di questo sistema operativo...
00:06<domenico>non sò bene nemmeno dove sono finito
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00:08<xid>domenico, no msg me
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01:57<paonia>I just applie the evolution security fix and now my message list is boofed
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02:11<mrsuperstar>i feel like the happiest person in the whole world since i'm using debian!!!
02:11*mrsuperstar is very happy!
02:14<doodle> up an LVM partitionbuilding a file server. System disk was hda with 4 partitions (/, /boot, swap and a LVM physical volume) After install and reboot, created a logical volume for home dir. None of the raid drives have been partitoned yet. After reboot, the system drive (only one showing partitions) comes up as hdq and the boot hangs waiting to mount root filesystem which it will never find on the drive it now calls hda. Any one know wha
02:15<doodle>wow, that's not right. Beginning should say I'm building a RAID file server. System disk was hda with 4 partitions
02:15<valdyn>doodle: and you have 17 disks?
02:15<doodle>one for /, one for /boot, a swap and an LVM physical volume
02:15<valdyn>doodle: or is hdq a typo?
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02:16<doodle>no, 9, it skips every second letter because there is only one drive per ide channel
02:16<valdyn>doodle: alright
02:16<doodle>no hdq is not a typo
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02:16<valdyn>doodle: you do not want to refer to disks by hdx but by label or uuid
02:17<valdyn>doodle: because hd* is not supposed to be static
02:17<valdyn>doodle: grub accepts labels, fstab does.
02:17<valdyn>doodle: however your bios also needs to agree on the same hda
02:17<doodle>hmm, Ubuntu is see sets up uuids, but I couldn't find them in debian. I know that LVM set up an uuid for the LV. Thats probably what started the screw up
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02:18<valdyn>doodle: no
02:18<valdyn>doodle: lvm does not change anything there
02:18<valdyn>doodle: it is not related to your issue
02:19<valdyn>doodle: lvm just uses ids, so itll work no matter which hd* your lvm volumes are
02:19<valdyn>doodle: is your bios booting from the correct disk?
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02:20<doodl1>got dumped. bios seems to find the drives in the same order still
02:20<valdyn>doodle: then this isnt hard to fix
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02:21<valdyn>doodle: just boot from bios, edit the entries in grub accordingly, system should get up
02:21<doodl1>did you see my question about finding the uuids in Debian (I know ubuntu sets them up, but I couldn't find any in debian)
02:21<lenin>I have problem with java
02:21<lenin>it is installed but did not work
02:21<doodl1>sorry to ask again but i lost my connection and may have missed your reply
02:21<valdyn>doodle: they are in /dev/disk/by-id/
02:21<valdyn>doodle: thats not the uuid, but you can use that
02:22<doodl1>great, thanks a million
02:23<valdyn>doodle: you can see the numeric part of that id on the disk itself btw
02:23<doodl1>I'm not near that machine, but if I can get back to the cafe before it closes, I'll let you know how it goes
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02:24<doodl1>hmm, interesting to know, but given the amount of ide and power cables, i don't know that 'ill be able to check for the numeric part easily :)
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02:25<valdyn>doodle: i use that to figure which physical disk is broken
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02:29<valdyn>doodl1: labels are probably easier to deal with though
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02:56<kostya>hi all
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04:07<hawy>السم عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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04:07<hawy>السلام تصحيح
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04:10<hawy>السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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04:38<liassist>he's not online yet sorry for disturbance
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04:55<dirchi>I'm trying to disable touchpad on my debian lenny, I have googled that I have to install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and add a line: Load "synaptics" in my xorg.conf module section and appropriate InputDevice section with Option  "SHMConfig" "on". So I did it that way, but when I tried to run 'synclient TouchpadOff=1' it still informs me: Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
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04:57<dirchi>is there anything I can do more to kill my touchpad without disabling it in bios?
04:57<dirchi>here is my xorg.conf file..
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05:00<dirchi>and appropriate output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log..
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05:03<doodle>valdyn: I'm back. Got things mounting properly. Actually, mounted one partition by-id, the other by-uuid. Both work great.
05:04<doodle>Like your idea of matching id with physical drive to know which drive is a failed drive. Think I may pull everything to get drive id's. Thanks again.
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05:04*doodle test
05:05<valdyn>doodle: welcome
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05:08<doodle>valdyn: just saw you suggestion of labels. Remember reading about partition labels, just can't remember where. Googling now 'cause it looks like it might make fstab easier to read for humans.
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05:11<doodle>valdyn: Duh! Must be late. You mean, of course, just good old partition labels. Never knew i cld use em in fstab. Back home now to finish building the thing
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05:19<domenico>salve chatters
05:20<domenico>come funziona stàà cosa?
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05:28<domenico>chatters..... di debian.. ci siete?
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05:30<domenico>gente..... qualcuno esperto????????
05:31<domenico>ho appena istallato debian.... sono nei quai.. non ci capisco nulla
05:32<domenico>non c'è nessuno?
05:32<dpkg>methinks il is Israel, home of some truly great people
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05:33<streuner>dpkg, wake up!
05:33<dpkg>streuner: I'm already awake! :)
05:33<streuner>dpkg, it
05:33<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, streuner
05:33<domenico>italiano no?
05:33<streuner>english, my italian isn't that good
05:34<domenico>ok.. my english isn't that good...
05:34<dpkg>i heard debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:35<domenico>ok.. tank.... I go in debian iT,,,,, bay user
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05:36<streuner>How can you redirect some factoid to another again? via see?
05:36<streuner>dpkg, it is <reply> Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:36<dpkg>...but it is already something else...
05:36<gsimmons>streuner: Yep. "<reply> see factoid"
05:37<streuner>dpkg, it <reply> see debian-it
05:37<dpkg>wish i knew, streuner
05:37<streuner>dpkg, no it is <reply> Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:37<dpkg>streuner: okay
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05:39<streuner>hm, who removed that factoid
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05:52<weasel>.oO( who's on first )
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05:54<cr3>do i need all 3 DVD's to install Debian v4.0?
05:55<streuner>!d-i cr3
05:55<dpkg>cr3, you want to go to Or (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
05:55<cr3>i don't want much, only the basic packages (KDE/GNOME, some libs to work with WINE, OpenOffice... )
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05:56<cr3>i mean, i know u can do network install
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06:30<cr3>my calculations say i will be downloading the dvds for 58 hours @ average speed of ~500 kbps which is ~60 kB/s, which is ~2.4 days assuming i won't need to use the internet, and my pc will be ON all the time
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06:34<cr3>but hey, lol, i have to download it anyway coz even in netinst it says it downloads packages so theres no differentz. but whut if u wanted to reinstall. but hey once i downloaded only packages i need i could make iso of the disk. but hey theres this thing called mondo which makes backups and i thank for help
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07:12<drmay>extrange bahavior: i have 2 config bassed on lenny: the only diff between them is that the first contains a file in chroot_localpackageslists. The first one boots with BusyBox, the 2nd boots normally. The line LH_PACKAGES_LISTS in chroot file contains "standard" in both configs. So there is no reference to any of those files. Can anyone point out any clue about what is going on either in my configs or in my brain? thank you
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07:16<drmay>sorry, wrong channel, previous msg was intended to be put in debian-live
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07:38<amorphous>anyone know of a definitive way to install flash for konqueror in etch?
07:38<dpkg>hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
07:40<witte>amorphous: the wiki gives you clear instructions how to enable flash on etch. As far as I know, it should work on konqueror as well, but I don't use that myself...
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07:42<amorphous>witte, even though the repos dont seem to include flashplugin-nonfree?
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07:43<witte>amorphous: no they don't, at least not on etch, you need repos enabled
07:43<amorphous>or do the free versions work ok in debian? (i had a nightmare with them in ubuntu
07:43<amorphous>ok - i'll do that, thanks :)
07:43<witte>amorphous: it is all described in the wiki ;)
07:44<amorphous>witte, on my way... thanks again :)
07:44<witte>and the free flash is not good enough for most users as far as i know
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07:56<amorphous>Ohhh.. I like that debian wiki !!
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07:58<amorphous>witte, yeah. in that case it won't be for the guys this is for... Still - it'll all come about eventualy, eh?
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08:01<witte>amorphous: yeah sure, they are making progress
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08:02<family>is there a matchbox wm channel?
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08:08<amorphous>and witte - if i want apache2 in etch -- can i have it without risking stability?
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08:19<connection>hello. i am linux newbie, i tried googling and read a couple of guides but didnt help. i have debian server on OVH, and im trying to run vncserver with fluxbox on it. when i try to connect on the desktop, i get 10061 conn refused error. the server has no firewall. i dont know what to do now, does anyone have experience with this?
08:19<witte>amorphous: sorry, connection got broken, don't know if your question is already answered, but i think apache2 is ok in etch... (if it weren't stable, it wouldn't be in stable ;-))
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08:22<amorphous>witte - sorry, it was... i read a howto said it was apache2-common and I panicked instead of taking it easy & checking it out :/ - but it's apache2 --- my issues now are the webdav packages to install
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08:24<drmarwat>can somebody guide me what is this error " hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" when i click on my drives in storage media
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08:25<witte>drmarwat: uid 1000 is probably your user id
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08:25<witte>drmarwat: so it seems you have a permissions issue
08:26<drmarwat>the drives wont open and i get this error
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08:26<drmarwat>witte: how to resolve it? i googles for this error but no clear clue is there
08:27<witte>drmarwat: is it ntfs drives you want to access?
08:28<drmarwat>no the fat 32
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08:30<witte>drmarwat: i am not sure what hal does, but probably you just need to add the option "user" to the /etc/fstab line which corresponds with that disk
08:30<drmarwat>witte: thanks i will try that
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08:32<witte>drmarwat: but i think gnome-volume-manager should be able to do everything a bit more automatic
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08:33<gsimmons>amorphous: mod_dav is supplied within the 'apache2.2-common' package. You can enable the dav and dav_fs modules in your Apache configuration via a2enmod.
08:35<Lethalman>why files are not included into a package although they are present in debian/tmp?
08:36<Lethalman>they are explicit in the .install files
08:36<Gathond>I suppose the build scripts might exclude them
08:36<Lethalman>what you mean?
08:36<Gathond>iirc they have control over which files are put into which packages
08:36<Lethalman>I'm new
08:37<Lethalman>I don't really understand I'm following the new maintainers guide :S
08:37<Gathond>or what .install filesa re you talking about
08:37<Gathond>Lethalman: well its been a while since I packaged anything:)
08:37<Gathond>Lethalman: then they should go into that package as far as I know
08:37<Lethalman>I get empty directories instead
08:38<amorphous>gsimmons, i have that bit done already!!! this debian stuff is really good. after months of struggling on ubuntu i've switched to debian & it's all going ridiculously easy (touch wood)
08:38<amorphous>this is much more like it :)))
08:38<amorphous>ps - thanks gsimmons
08:39<Lethalman>also Gathond I sent an email to the control@bugs twice without any reply
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08:41<Gathond>Lethalman: please note I'm not a debian developer:)
08:41<Lethalman>ok :P
08:41<Gathond>I just happened to build a couple of packages for myself and a project I participated in a while back
08:41<Lethalman>I've just having these problems packaging this library :S
08:41<Gathond>Lethalman: sure the paths and names are correct?
08:43<mazze>After upgrading to testing, GNOME is marking all words I write into a web-based input-field with a red underline (I'm using Galeon). Where can I turn this off?
08:44<Gathond>or iceweasel?
08:44<Gathond>mazze: I think it has an option to disable spellchecking in formes
08:45<mazze>Gathond As I told, I'm using Galeon, but of course Galeon is using a Gecko engine.
08:45<Gathond>mazze: ahhh sorry, I think the same still applies
08:45<Gathond>not sure where they have hidden the option
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08:45<Nemoder>try about:config in the URL bar
08:46<mazze>Gathond Question is: Which option is it? I could not figure out ...
08:46<Gathond>then again its gnome, they might think having that option would needlessly confuse the user and so the hid it in their registration DB wannabe
08:46<mazze>Nemoder Already using about:config, but did not find the right option ...
08:46<Gathond>mazze: spellchecking
08:46<loco>hello dose someone know a XDCC client for Debian?
08:46<loco>hello dose someone know a IRC-XDCC client for Debian?
08:46<Gathond>mazze: its underlining them because it thinks its spelled wrong, most likely because the language is wrong
08:47<mazze>Gathond The value spellchecker.dictionary is set correct ...
08:47<Nemoder>loco: xdcc is not a protocol, it's a server script, any irc client that supports DCC should work
08:47<mazze>Gathond but I would like to turn it off completely ...
08:47<mazze>Perhaps I should set extensions.spellcheck.inline.max-misspellings to 0 ?
08:48<Gathond>mazze: yeah, and at least iceweasel has that option somewhere in the optiosn
08:48<loco>hmnm - ill try
08:48<Gathond>but galeon is likely to have moved that
08:49<Gathond>mazze: in iceweasel its edit->preferences->advanced and then "check my spelling as i type"
08:50<mazze>Gathond Okay, Galeon does not have a such panel in the preferences window. But no problem, it seems, that setting extensions.spellcheck.inline.max-misspellings to 0 helped ... no more red lines :D
08:51<mazze>Gathond Thank you for help ...
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09:27<ThinkBig>ah! I found all the colonists!
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10:11<nsg>does any one using miro in sid
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10:57<HB^^>I created a usergroup - and added 2 users to the group - now how do I set permessions for group ? like all users in group X have acces to /home/groupX
10:58<HB^^>read/write access
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10:58<Nemoder>chmod a+g /somedir/orfile/
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10:58*Nemoder wakes up first
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10:58<Nemoder>chmod g+rw /somedir
10:59<Nemoder>and chown user:groupname /somedir
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10:59<HB^^>how does system knows what group I mean ?
11:00<HB^^>in my eksample?
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11:00<Nemoder>the chown sets the group
11:01<HB^^>in my case: chmod g+rw /home/groupX followed by chown groupX /home/groupX
11:01<Nemoder>yes except you need to specify a user for chown
11:01<HB^^>remember HB^ totally new at linux
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11:02<Nemoder>or just use root for user, so chown root:groupX /home/groupX
11:02<HB^^>Ill give it a try
11:04<Nemoder>ls -la /home to see existing permissions
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11:10<Joshua5150>Anybody from Peru here?
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11:29<dpkg>well, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
11:29<davi>!kernel compile
11:29<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm), use make-kpkg from the package 'kernel-package' and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (also read Rationale.gz) and Also ask me about <make-kpkg> <kp mantra> <make-kpkg complains> <kernel build-deps>.
11:29<davi>!kp mantra
11:29<dpkg>kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
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12:21<gma>good day to all
12:22<gma>peple, anyone can help me out with a trouble free LDAP setup howto?
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12:23<gma>we have a production server which has samba and pam auth, and now we need LDAP too...
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12:25<dr-evil>what about openldap?
12:27<gma>dr-evil: yep, I want to set up that (openldap/slapd) just I need hm some guide what to take serious in config files
12:27<dr-evil>1. setupldap
12:28<dr-evil>setup openldap
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12:28<dr-evil>2. configure samba to use openldap
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12:28<dr-evil>or pam auth to use openldap
12:28<dr-evil>so - you need manual about configuring samba/pam to use openldap ;)
12:29<bighornram>I'm recently having a screen full of data when shutting down instead of the normal red shutting down statement
12:29<gma>dr-evil: is there a way to test all the ldap functionality before we change all authentication from pam+samba to ldap? Just to not close out myself :)
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12:30<gma>dr-evil: partially yes, I need the order of the config change
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12:31<dr-evil>haven't tryed openldap at all, but I think it will be strange that such soft haven't any debug tools )
12:31<gma>I feel I know what to change, but not sure in the order
12:31<dr-evil>anyway you could try in vbox/vmware etc..
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12:31<gma>yep now I'm playing the situation in virtualbox
12:32<gma>put I cannot clone the live system, and there are differences of course
12:32<dr-evil>so what's the problem? down them all, fix cfg and get up )
12:32<dr-evil>do not forget to get a cfg backups
12:32<gma>ehhh man, i'm a liitle bit scared, thats all :)
12:33<gma>anyway thanks for the info
12:33<potter>hiiiiiiiiiii everybodyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:33<dr-evil>gma, after tons of breakdowns you will feel free about it))))
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12:34<gma>dr-evil: u know its a situation when i cannot make error :) I must take it very seriuos
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12:35<dr-evil>you can't shedule any downtime?
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12:36<gma>no downtime :) it's up 24/7
12:36<gma>one thing got in my mind:
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12:37<gma>is there a way to use ldap AND pam+samba auth at the same time?
12:37<dr-evil>don't break it ))
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12:38<gma>because if something is going wrong, we can use the other method
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12:40<gma>okay i must think over the whole ldap again
12:40<gma>bye all & thanks
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12:48<bighornram>why do I see "information" when shutting down? This has changed from the "Shutting down..." message. Is something causing debug info to show or is this a setting somewhere? Not a big deal.... just something that has changed itself.
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12:54<MotoHoss>I have an obstinate ISP. So I have fixed the MAC address on my onboard NIC in /etc/network/interfaces. This was after altering the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules so it would always name that card the same regardless of what MAC addres it saw. That works. What does not work is the firewall. It complains about a fakes MAC. what/where is the proper place to 'change' that MAC using macchanger so the firewall won't complain and ud
12:54<MotoHoss>ev won't mess with the persistent rules?
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13:15<s_i_m>MotoHoss, why do you need macchanger at all? you can use hwaddress option in /etc/interfaces
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13:32<MotoHoss>i will investigate that option.
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13:37<Ouroboros>does anyone know for a fact whether P35/ICH9R/JMB363 are supported by kernel 2.6.18? i found some references so far, but nothing in the HCLs...
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13:45<dr-evil>Ouroboros, anyway you could try unstable netinst )
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13:46<dr-evil>yesterday there was
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13:47<Ouroboros>i suppose i could, but this is inteded for a high-reliability machine, so running unstable is a little... hm :)
13:47<lupine>-rc4, you mean?
13:47<Ouroboros>i suppose i could run a later kernel with etch as well
13:47<HB^^>if wanting to go to a dir in current dir - do I have to type hole path ? like cd /home/user/apps/folder1 to go to folder1 from apps
13:48<lupine>HB^^: you have .. as a directory too
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13:48<lupine>so cd ../../.. works
13:48<lupine>or just normal relative paths. so in your example, cd folder1 would work
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13:48<lupine>then cd .. (note the space) to go back to apps
13:48<Ouroboros>HB^: and a path that does not start with / or . is assumed to start with ./, so "cd folder1" works
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13:52<lupine>also, cd ~ takes you back to your home directory
13:52<dr-evil>Ouroboros, you could try )
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13:52<simonrvn>or just cd
13:52<dr-evil>also simple cd takes you to hove too
13:52<Ouroboros>dr-evil: dont have the hardware yet, i am just trying to pick a board now
13:53<dr-evil>Ouroboros, don't tryed p35
13:53<lupine>heh, i'd forgotten that
13:53<Ouroboros>any suggestions for a board with 8 SATA ports? so far most are based on ICH9R
13:53<dr-evil>will look tomorrow what I have )
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13:54<dr-evil>I think it will work 75% )
13:54<simonrvn>there's also cd - which switches you to the previous dir you were in
13:55<dr-evil>Ouroboros, found some suggestions about problems on p35 with etch, but it's on russian lang
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13:57<Ouroboros>hm, show me
13:57<dr-evil>Ouroboros, they said that images will work
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13:58<Ouroboros>yeah, this is the JMB363 issues i think
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13:59<dr-evil>Ouroboros, and here - first comment
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14:00<Ouroboros>"good time of day!" hehe... i am going to use this from now on
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14:02<Ouroboros>well, it seems like I can expect some issues, but could be worse i guess
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14:02<Ouroboros>as long as i can get ICH9R to work, i can probably work around the JMB363 issues
14:02<wired>Ourboros was the username to one of my friends named randal. haha
14:03<Ouroboros>wired: yeah, its not too unique :/
14:03<wired>well, true.
14:03<Ouroboros>there is at least one on each network
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14:03<Ouroboros>for the record, i am not the same Ouroboros as on
14:04*wired hasn't come to mind.
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14:05<dr-evil>afk for 30min
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14:15<wired>Does anyone use 3gpwiz?
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14:22<amorphous_>anyone know of a good place to get networking help?
14:23<Ouroboros>best buy?
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14:23<Masterkong>where would i find a good discussing place for aptitude in sid?
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14:24<amorphous_>no.. how to make a wrt into a sort of bridge...
14:24<amorphous_>but not sure now if my results are poor because i'm searching for bridge --- is bridge only wireless?
14:25<amorphous_>what's it called when i want a wrt just to serve as a hub?
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14:26<Ouroboros>what are you trying to do exactly
14:27<memLeak>whats wrt?
14:27<amorphous_>i have a bt homehub but it only has 2 eth sockets. I want to put the wrt on so i can plug in more machines
14:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, wrt is with respect to, or with regards to
14:27<memLeak>You gotta do ipmasque, just download a script and copy to you machine
14:27<dpkg>DebianWRT project is to support running Debian on access points, such as those supported by the OpenWRT project.check
14:28<Ouroboros>amorphous: typically it already works as a hub...
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14:28<Ouroboros>amorphous: well, switch usually
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14:31<amorphous_>Ouroboros: Hmm.. but this ones seen better days & i dont think the WAN socket works. is tere a way to not use it?
14:33<amorphous_>to set it up as a switch and use the homehub gateway by putting the HH in, say, socket 1 & other pc's in 2,3 &4?
14:33<amorphous_>what would that be called?
14:33<Ouroboros>amorphous: if you need only the switch functionality (no routing), then you can simply run a cable from one of the regular ports to one of the ports on the 2-port switch
14:33<amorphous_>(bloody awkward?)
14:33<Ouroboros>(might need to be a crossover cable)
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14:34<Ouroboros>but if you need to route through the bt hub, then this may or may not work, depending on what that device supports
14:34<amorphous_>Ahhh.. crossover might be the magic word..! anbody else know anyting about this? (before i start to butcher cables...)
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14:35<dr-evil>i know
14:35<dr-evil>but a bit busy
14:35<Ouroboros>amorphous: try with a regular cable first, modern switches suport Auto-MDIX
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14:36<dr-evil>wait about 15min
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14:37<amorphous_>dr-evil: np :)
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14:48<zix99>Anyone having a problem with the latest gnome (specifically metacity) where the windows are all going to the coord (0,0)?
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14:52<nmmachado>hi, My politic in my iptables is Drop for all (INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD), now I'm perfect protect?
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14:52<nmmachado>I'm in other computer!!!
14:52<_ZeuZ_>nmmachado, and perfectly isolated from the outside world, that rules are going to give you a headache
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14:53<xx>hello, how can i zip folder to .tar.gz in terminal/ssh
14:53<dr-evil>man tar ?
14:53<nmmachado>Please, How open one conection for pidgin e one conection for epyfany
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14:54<nmmachado>I'm basic user.
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14:55<nmmachado>This is bad _ZeuZ_
14:55<angelo>does apache2 by default serv user folders as well ? (public_html)
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14:55<zix99>angelo: no
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14:55<angelo>zix99 how do I enable it ?
14:55<dr-evil>it's commented in configs by default
14:55<zix99>angelo: At least not with my install
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14:56<angelo>zix99 if it does it should go like ip/~angelo for my userdir right ?
14:56<zix99>angelo: yes
14:56<zix99>angelo: Just read that page, it'll help out
14:56<witte>angelo: i believe a2enmod usermod or somethign like taht
14:57<angelo>ok ... all those syntaxes there ... can I put in apache2.conf or is it for another configuration file ?
14:57<nmmachado>Ouroboros, I downloaded your link, but have only one page.
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14:58<zix99>well, all the configuration technically goes up into one big file
14:58<zix99>angelo: Personally i'd put it in the site-config file... but it shouldn't matter
14:58<angelo>uhyea its all included by apache2.conf ... foolish question :P
14:59<nmmachado>How open one conection for pidgin e one conection for epyfany?
15:00<dr-evil>pidgin it's multiprotocol IM
15:01<dr-evil>which messagingg suite you use - such ports you should open
15:01<angelo>is it correct that mod_userdir is not a debian package ?
15:02<Ouroboros>nmmachado: its much easier (and less secure) to open all outgoing connections
15:02<dr-evil>definetly no ))
15:03<nmmachado>but my system lose the protection, OK?
15:03<angelo>oh btw what is a good way for constant differential backup in debian ?
15:03<nmmachado>Ouroboros: but my system lose the protection, OK?
15:04<zix99>angelo: use rsync
15:04<zix99>look at man pages
15:04<zix99>and add it as a cron job, maybe
15:04<dr-evil>nmmachado, look at selinux
15:04<angelo>oki thnx
15:04<dr-evil>Ouroboros, this is paranoia? )
15:04<Ouroboros>nmmachado: pretty much only against attackers who are already inside.... how much can you really do then?
15:05<zix99>angelo: and userdir module might come as a default package when apache2 is installed
15:05<nmmachado>dr-evil: selinux is command linux?
15:05<dr-evil>nmmachado, just google it and read about it
15:05<angelo>zix99 hmm so then I should enable it....
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15:06<zix99>angelo: try it, won't hurt anything
15:06<nmmachado>My computer have enemys.
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15:07<nmmachado>my conection slow...
15:07<angelo>zix99 found it in mods-available .. but How do I enable it ... just copy it to the mods-enabled dir ?
15:07<nmmachado>for a time later return the normal state.
15:08<zix99>angelo: Make a symbolic link to the file in the mods-enabled directory
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15:08<zix99>angelo: ln -s filename
15:08<nmmachado>dr-evil: How google it?
15:10<zix99>angelo: no problem
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15:10<Ouroboros>whats the deal with eSATA... can you mate eSATA ports to SATA drives?
15:12<dr-evil>Ouroboros, haven't such
15:12<dr-evil>nmmachado, open and search
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15:13<nmmachado>ok, dr-evil!
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15:19<angelo>I share my printer with samba/cups ... it works like a charm, but my windows boxes cannot access the job list ... is this a known problem or is this just a setting ?
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15:20<dr-evil>look about permissions
15:21<dr-evil>it should works
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15:22<angelo>how would I change permissions for the joblist in cups ?
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15:22<amorphous>dr-evil, you got a minute?
15:22<dr-evil>you sharing a cups printer via samba
15:22<dr-evil>isn't it/
15:22<dr-evil>amorphous, yep
15:23<angelo>dr-evil yea shared via samba .. is this a samba problem or a cups problem ?
15:23<dr-evil>samba provides a transport
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15:23<dr-evil>but if you could print on it - than it's ok
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15:23<dr-evil>so I think this is a cups
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15:23<dr-evil>but i'm not sure
15:24<dr-evil>never used this config )
15:24<angelo>you share printers via samba ?
15:24<dr-evil>a angelo does
15:24<amorphous>wrt onto a BT homehub... wrt WAN socket's bust, can i just plug homehub to LAN socket on WRT & pc's to other sockets on wrt? or do i need Xover cable (it's not working out-the-box & I'm digging deeper & deeper holes..!)
15:24<dr-evil>what you mean wrt?
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15:25<amorphous>openwrt flashed router
15:25<dr-evil>my english isn't good
15:25<amorphous>sorry dr-evil
15:25<dr-evil>bt? bluetooth?
15:25<amorphous>mines a bit presumptuous
15:25<amorphous>no ethernet only
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15:26<dr-evil>wan port is a output port for communicate with world
15:26<dr-evil>wan and any kind of switch connected via default utp cable
15:26<dr-evil>not cross
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15:27<dr-evil>if you wanna to put it into PC
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15:27<TIBS01>people wots the command to shut down all the httpd services
15:27<dr-evil>than you need a crossover cable
15:27<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
15:27<dr-evil>TIBS01, /etc/init.d/apache stop
15:28<amorphous>dr-evil, did you know that a BT homehub is a router?
15:28<dr-evil>this is changes something about cable? )
15:29<TIBS01>saying its not running
15:29<TIBS01>theres a website on
15:29<TIBS01> so it needs shutting down
15:29<TIBS01>i dunno wot the process is thats running it aint apache
15:29<dr-evil>TIBS01, look at pid file, or use killall
15:30<TIBS01>killall wot
15:30<dr-evil>netstat -lp
15:30<dr-evil>killall httpd
15:30<dr-evil>or apache
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15:30<dr-evil>afk 5 min
15:30<TIBS01>shell# killall httpd
15:30<TIBS01>shell# killall apache
15:30<TIBS01>No matching processes were found
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15:31<TIBS01>erm httpd is not running
15:31<TIBS01>or apache
15:31<TIBS01>or httpd is running
15:31<Paulao>What do you guys think is the best distribution to learn from ? Learn like, configuration, about packages, network admin etc... ubuntu seens so easy, i believe im not going to learn anything from it...
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15:32<dr-evil>Paulao, rh or debian
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15:32<xid>Paulao, hurd ?
15:32<amorphous>Paulao, I;m finding this very good... started 2 days ago from ubuntu. --- this much more pleasant :)
15:32<dr-evil>TIBS01, look at netstat -lp
15:33<dr-evil>TIBS01, and find there a http port - in right side you will see a pid
15:34<Paulao>amorphous, i see..
15:34<TIBS01>tcp4 0 0 turing.morons.or.63259 FIN_WAIT_2
15:34<TIBS01>tcp4 0 0 turing.morons.or.60829 FIN_WAIT_2
15:34<TIBS01>but it aint running
15:34<TIBS01>so how can it be loading still
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15:35<amorphous>Paulao, a little getting used to different forums etc... but more educational by far.
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15:35<TIBS01>mmm innit
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15:35<dr-evil>TIBS01, there is no pid '
15:36<TIBS01>i kno its for freebsd
15:36<dr-evil>don't know how to show pid on freebsd for netstat
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15:37<TIBS01>shell# killall apache
15:37<TIBS01>No matching processes were found
15:37<TIBS01>shell# killall httpd
15:37<TIBS01>No matching processes were found
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15:37<dr-evil>maybe nginx ?
15:37<dr-evil>maybe nginx ?
15:37<dr-evil>or something else?
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15:38<dr-evil>find pid via netstat
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15:38<dr-evil>something listen port
15:39<TIBS01> i kno
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15:54<_ZeuZ_>Does anybody here use gfxboot?
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16:00<Laeborg>Any folders and files on my NTFS disc's where the letters æ, ø and å is in, can't be found
16:03<simonrvn>mount it with the correct charset
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16:09<Dargol>Laeborg, see the manpage look for the locale option
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16:35<NEPXANDER>hola a todos
16:35<NEPXANDER>alguien sabe como activar a
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16:36<NEPXANDER>los efectos dee scritorio en la cuenta de invitado
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16:45<dr-evil>Laeborg, there a lot of mans about mounting cirillic htfs 0
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17:27<Guest1948>quien anda ahi
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17:29<ianbentley>Having WPA supplicant problems
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18:06<CrocoJet>in this irc server chat, is everything crypto 256 bits ?
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18:14<Bartman007>CrocoJet: IRC by nature is unencrypted. OFTC (the network) does offer IRC over SSL, but that is only between you and the server. The same data is travelling in an unencrypted form between servers and to the majority of the people in this channel.
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18:18<Ouroboros>any experience with nforce 780a?
18:18<CrocoJet>gforce 8400 GS here
18:19<CrocoJet>running pretty smooth
18:20<Ouroboros>no, the mobo chipset :)
18:20<CrocoJet>oh ok
18:20<Ouroboros>i have narrowed down my board options to x38/x48 or 780a... both are pretty new and i am not sure how well they are supported
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18:21<witte>Ouroboros: did you try already?
18:21<Ouroboros>witte: i have neither, so i cant try anything
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18:22<Ouroboros>pretty much just searching forums, but there is not much information
18:22<witte>Ouroboros: before buying, you could go to the shop and take a live cd with you
18:23<witte>Ouroboros: if that boots, you will probably have no problems installing it
18:23<Ouroboros>hm... i was going to buy off newegg
18:23<witte>Ouroboros: but it could be you need a new kernel (/msg dpkg etchnhalf)
18:24<Ouroboros>how close is lenny to going stable?
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18:24<witte>Ouroboros: you can go to a shop where they sell it, but were you don't actually buy it, only test it :-)
18:24<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:"
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18:24<witte>they think about september
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18:25<Ouroboros>well, shucks
18:25<Ouroboros>also, it is amazing how many posts i see about having to RMA boards... is it like 50% of these boards are bad?
18:25<Ouroboros>not these particular ones, but in general
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18:30<Ouroboros>interesting, etchnhalf might be a good option
18:30<Woet>how is it possible my box has 4GB ram while the kernel only allows me to use 3GB?
18:30<Ouroboros>Woet: 32-bit OS?
18:31<Ouroboros>Woet: 3 GB total or per process?
18:31<Woet>in total
18:31<witte>Woet: apt-cache search bigmem
18:31<Ouroboros>Woet: then you need a bigmem kernel, but the process limit wil be the same for 32-bit kernels
18:32<enouf>686-bigmem which has HIGHMEM64G and PAE enabled
18:32<Woet>oh, I forgot, its a centos box
18:32<enouf>also ensure your BIOS has the memeory map hole option, should enable it, in most cases
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18:33<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
18:33<Ouroboros>ah crap
18:33<Ouroboros>i almost finished typing it out before you got it with the trigger..
18:34<enouf>!comfort Ouroboros
18:34<dpkg>There, there, Ouroboros. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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18:34<enouf>Ouroboros: have you grepped the kernels pccid.h file?
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18:36<Ouroboros>i have grepped the whole source, the file you are referring to doesnt seem to exist
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18:38<enouf>Ouroboros: like that
18:38<enouf>780a doesn't tell me/us north/south bridge, MCP versions and stuff
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18:39<Ouroboros>so if it is in the file in the kernel i want, then it is supported?
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18:41<enouf>well, that's one way i'd test ;-)
18:41<Ouroboros>well, where am i supposed to get the PCI IDs? heh
18:41<enouf>and then, if you use that site, that's vanilla code, not debian patched .. so
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18:42<enouf>Ouroboros: just get the system specs
18:42<Ouroboros>enouf: i am looking at the file in my debian source
18:42<enouf>find a well done review
18:42<enouf>which debian source?
18:42<Ouroboros>but whatever, that is just an example
18:43<Ouroboros>i would like to use that kernel if possible, but i can live with something later
18:43<enouf>well, if 780a has any of the newer MCPs, guessing ~5x-6x-7x .. now way jose
18:43<enouf>the other backported kernels, such as kmuto, etchnhalf are other options
18:44<enouf>it's silly to grep you .18, 1st find out if vanilla has any support
18:44<enouf>wel, not silly, but .. backwards - or just futile ;-)
18:45<Ouroboros>sigh, i was gonna go with a much older board for this machine, but it seems the combination of features i want (6+ SATA, ECC) is found only in the latest boards
18:45<enouf>and as a last resort, if vanilla does, yet a debian one doesn't ,compile your own ;-)
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18:46<Ouroboros>eh, i dont like that, since i will have to rebuild everytime there is a security fix
18:46<enouf>well, heh, this board works, 9 SATA + 1 eSATA + ECC
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18:46<enouf>well ... sure, if security is of utmost, then i guess Etch (i doubt etchnhalf is official, or ... never thought about it) .. hrm
18:47<Ouroboros>well, lets worry about that later
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18:48<enouf>but not sure which kernel it needs/requires
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18:48<Ouroboros>hmm, cannot load that link
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18:49<enouf>there's 6 sata tied to the nvidia controller + 3 of Marvell (non-Raid-able) + 1 eSata (marvell also, iirc)
18:50<enouf>but something like "The Asus M2N32 WS Professional motherboard is based on the nVidia nForce 590 SLI (C51XE) and nVidia MCP55PXE Southbridge." is the info i was looking for when asking you about your '780a'
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18:51<enouf>trty this URL
18:52<Ouroboros>cant load that whole server, its timing out :)
18:52<enouf>dude, you br0ken3d ir
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18:53<enouf>yeah, the Internet is pretty broken lately
18:53<enouf>the TLD isn't loading here either
18:54<Ouroboros>someone clogged the tubes
18:54<enouf>--- ping statistics ---
18:54<enouf>4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3003ms
18:54<enouf>it's a DNS issue
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18:57<enouf>well, you can easily google the make/model i posted
18:57<Ouroboros>yeah i am looking
18:57<enouf>even go to manu website, d/l the pdf manual
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18:58<Ouroboros>yeah, this would do it, not sure why i missed it before
18:59<enouf>which reminds me, i'm going to tell the mainboard's owner to visit kmuto and perhaps update anything missing from hte pciid database-> driver check (the lscpi -n HCL)
19:00<enouf>it's not cheap, from what i see - also, there's 2x PCI-X slots, but they're only 64/66MHz
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19:01<enouf>but the owner has scsi controller cards plugged into it, and was comparing older scsi drives (u160 and u320) in a RAID with Sata RAID speeds
19:01<Ouroboros>well anything less than $300 is what i am looking at, so thats not a problem
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19:02<Ouroboros>i dont think anything less than $200 exists anyway
19:04<enouf>now, once i hunt him down, hrm ...
19:04<enouf>aha! had the paste URL in my klipper cache
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19:06<Ouroboros>this is supported by 2.6.18 i think
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19:07<Ouroboros>ah this hting is under "Server motherboards" on newegg, thats why i missed it
19:07<Ouroboros>also, it is out of stock
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19:09<enouf>grah .. i hate that - try zipzoomfly,, etc, well, i haven't bought from those personally, but i'd check
19:09<Ouroboros>well, with relaxed search parameters, there are a lot more options now
19:09<Ouroboros>lemme sift through these
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19:14<dr-evil>have a flash disk
19:15<dr-evil>at 16mb
19:15<dr-evil>there is no any partitions
19:15<dr-evil>so dmesg says that there is 0mb
19:15<dr-evil>how to fix it /
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19:16<benjamindees>dr-evil, fdisk /dev/your_device
19:16<dr-evil>it says can't open device
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19:17<xid> cat /proc/partitions ?
19:19<dr-evil>got it
19:19<dr-evil>something strange
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19:47<Supaplex>anything not on the topic, of course. :p
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20:02<Ouroboros>man, i cant believe people still put FDD connectors on boards in 2008
20:02<Ouroboros>i havent seen an actual FDD in like 5 years
20:03<rajazz>i have some problem mounting iso image...
20:03<rajazz>ioctl LOOP_SET_FD failed!
20:04<rajazz>what's going on? someone knows??
20:04<_ZeuZ_>rajazz: how are you mounting it?
20:05<_ZeuZ_>it should be something like: mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/MOUNT_POINT_YOU_CHOOSE
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20:06<rajazz>mmh, in fact i've done --># mount -v -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mnt/anywhere
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20:07<rajazz>the iso image is on the hard drive, not a CD
20:08<_ZeuZ_>oh, well then, point the full path to it like this: mount -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /mnt/MOUNT_POINT
20:09<rajazz>ok, ill try that and tell yo
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20:11<rajazz>_ZeuZ_, thank you, but doesn't work
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20:11<witte>rajazz: i think you need to use -o loop
20:11<rajazz>console says: mount: /home/ubuntu/dsl-4.2.5.iso is not a block device (try `-o loop')
20:12<enouf>file /path/to/file.iso ; isoinfo -d -i file.iso
20:12<enouf>man losetup ; modprobe loop
20:12<rajazz>yes, thanks...
20:12<enouf>ugh, *buntu
20:12<rajazz>im trying
20:13<witte>rajazz: you are mounting a damn small linux iso on an ubuntu machine and you are asking in #debian?
20:13<rajazz>juaj, somethin like that, i'm doing it remotly, with an chroot
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20:15<enouf>erm, you likely want to bind /proc/ and /dev/, and maybe /sys - but i'm out .. gotta partey \o/
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20:15<Guest1965>hi 2 all
20:15<Guest1965>need your help:
20:16<benjamindees>in general should I be able to 'iwlist wl0 scan' while associated or will that cause some drivers to choke?
20:16<Guest1965>num lock doesnot work when kde starting
20:16<rajazz>yeap, i'm under a Slax distro...
20:16<Guest1965>how can i solve this problem ?
20:16<_ZeuZ_>benjamindees, you have to do it before associating I think
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20:17<benjamindees>Oneils, that's an option in kde; under peripherals -> keyboard
20:17<_ZeuZ_>rajazz yous system identifies as Ubuntu...
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20:18<Oneils>it;s work in console and kdm , but soesn work in kde
20:18<gsimmons>benjamindees: IME, "iwlist wlan0 scan[ning]" can work while associated without complication.
20:18<_ZeuZ_>rajazz, both that nick of yours, and rajazz_
20:18<Oneils>i press any numlock key and happens nothing
20:18<benjamindees>Oneils, it doesn't work as in you press the NumLock key and the light doesn't change?
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20:19<Oneils>not light changes , and keys doesnt work
20:19<benjamindees>Oneils, does anything else in kde work? the mouse?
20:19<Oneils>mouse works
20:19<Oneils>also i can change languages
20:19<benjamindees>so the keyboard doesn't work at all in kde?
20:20<Oneils>dosn work only numlock keys
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20:21<benjamindees>oh localization issue
20:21<rajazz>_ZeuZ_, yes, a trick i did it seems to work
20:22<Oneils>when press numlock numbers in kdm (whre' slogin and pass ) it work
20:22<Oneils>and after kde starting - not
20:22<Oneils>in gnome in worked
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20:23<benjamindees>Oneils, can you change your keyboard layout settings in kde and see if that helps?
20:23<rajazz>i can mask the system to be viewed as my choice, and doing that remotly, :P
20:23<Oneils>i changed - doesnt works
20:24<_ZeuZ_>rajazz, nmap doesn't lie
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20:25<_ZeuZ_>rajazz, and I do not think you are able to trick your own system fingerprints.
20:25<rajazz>try it again and see your result...
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20:26<rajazz>theres no need to use fingerprints, you can mask id with remoteplx-unet
20:27<_ZeuZ_>same result, though.
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20:27<Laeborg>how to remove apache?
20:27<_ZeuZ_>Laeborg, aptitude remove apache-common apache apache2
20:27<Ouroboros>enouf: check this one (12 SATA ports):
20:27<rajazz>mmh, maybe it worked once... it's supposed to upgrade the state i charged now...
20:28<Laeborg>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
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20:28<rajazz>let me see
20:28<_ZeuZ_>Laeborg, and why do you say it's still on the system?
20:28<Laeborg>well locate apache gives a lot of results
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20:29<rajazz>_ZeuZ_, the pc you're watching is a part of the cluster i'm controlling...
20:29<Ouroboros>Laeborg: locate database not updated? configuration files?
20:29<_ZeuZ_>rajazz, also, remoteplx-unet does not exist according to a google search.
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20:29<rajazz>no, it's not a public tool
20:29<_ZeuZ_>Show me the website
20:30<Laeborg>anyone here who knows gnupanel?
20:30<rajazz>i can't, my partners could kill me, i'm not allowed to show that yet
20:30<_ZeuZ_>Even if I have to pay, I want to see a tool that gives me the chance to fake a system indetification service without changing the fingerprint
20:30<_ZeuZ_>rajazz, don't take me wrong, but stop lying allready
20:31<_ZeuZ_>Not even dpkg as ever heard any reference to it
20:31<rajazz>there's no packages, you won't find in on inet
20:31<_ZeuZ_>Yeah right
20:31<_ZeuZ_>ANd I'm the president of Argelia
20:32<rajazz>oh, fastastic, i'm Ghandi
20:32*Ouroboros assassinates Ghandi
20:32*_ZeuZ_ Ignores rajazz and rajazz_
20:33*_ZeuZ_ Pays 1000000 dollars to Ouroboros to shoot 4 more times Ghandi's head
20:33<rajazz>no, Ghandi is pacifist... dont kill him...
20:34*_ZeuZ_ Still kills Ghandi since ln -s rajazz Ghandi
20:36<rajazz>i dont really understand war
20:36*_ZeuZ_ Doesn't care.
20:37<rajazz>so... you also speak spanish too 8)
20:37<rajazz>buenos dias
20:37<_ZeuZ_>And this is not the place to continue the chit-chat
20:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:37<_ZeuZ_>Or, -ar
20:38<rajazz>yeah, i got it! sorry
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20:59<_ZeuZ_>Guys, appart from Linux-igd (wich doesn-t work fine) what would you recommend for active port forward for a medium size ISP?
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21:00<benjamindees>? you want SNAT, or reverse NAT?
21:01<_ZeuZ_>I'm currently doing SNAT, but some clients require specified port forwards, and with for example upnp (Linux-igd) I can battle some of them.. though, not all of them, as I only have one public IP for approx 170 terminals
21:01<benjamindees>no, "emulates internet connection server", hmm
21:02<_ZeuZ_>benjamindees, reffer to me previous message
21:03<_ZeuZ_>I'm also battling with a Microtic where I do an initial traffic throttle (wireless transmisions to suscribers)
21:03<_ZeuZ_>then I have queues and polls built with tc in the node... but, I still need to find a reliable way to automate the port forwards...
21:03<benjamindees>you want squid? there are some kernel modules for NAT of specific troublesome protocols.
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21:04<_ZeuZ_>No,through iptables or ipchains if possible
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21:07<libervisco>How do I prevent exi from starting on boot?
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21:07<libervisco>I also assume I don't need rpc.statd either
21:08<_ZeuZ_>libervisco, well, uninstall it if you don't need it.
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21:08<_ZeuZ_>libervisco, or use sysv-rc-conf (you might have to install it) to get it off all runlevels
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21:08<libervisco>oh, right
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21:08<libervisco>exim4 is for email right, just to make sure?
21:08<libervisco>(email server)
21:09<_ZeuZ_>libervisco, yeah, but if you are not an email server, and you use the email services of someone else, or directly if you're not the server of anything, you don;t need it so remove it
21:09<_ZeuZ_>libervisco, removing it will not cancel emails being sent from your network to the outside
21:10<libervisco>I see
21:10<libervisco>I have my email set up on another server anyway (VPS, running etch)
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21:11<libervisco>Now to sid or not to sid :D
21:11<_ZeuZ_>then if that host is not the server, just a desktop for personal use, remove it...
21:11<libervisco>I did a netinstall of testing.. only the bare system :)
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21:12<libervisco>yep, already did
21:12<_ZeuZ_>libervisco, thingy is... SID is more unstable than the others, but not as unstable as experimental....
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21:12<_ZeuZ_>libervisco, for a production enviroment it's not recomendable
21:12<ianbentley>Hey, I'm having some trouble with my wpa_supplicant. I've made a pastie of my /etc/network/interfaces, my wpa_supplicant.conf, and my wpa_action log file. Can anyone have a look at it?
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21:13<_ZeuZ_>ianbentley, pastebin it mate... and I'll see what I can check
21:13<libervisco>_ZeuZ_: yeah, I'm aware of it being unstable, but I've heard quite a bit about people running it succesfully and have a friend doing it as well.. supposedly it's ok as long as you're careful about dist-upgrades..
21:14<rajazz>step by step, pkg by pbg
21:14<libervisco>a production environment here is just my desktop though I do use it for work on the web, might use it to make some videos and sometimes for gaming :)
21:15<_ZeuZ_>libervisco, that's not a production enviroment xD
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21:15<_ZeuZ_>it's a plain desktop enviroment
21:16<libervisco>yeah, I never really got the definition of "production environment" :)
21:16<libervisco>I suppose it's servers
21:16<libervisco>and enterprise desktops or something
21:16<_ZeuZ_>ianbentley, seems like you actually didn't configure wpasuplicant.conf
21:16<_ZeuZ_>as what you show me there, is just the skeleton
21:17<ianbentley>how do you mean?
21:18<_ZeuZ_>ianbentley, I'll show you a correct example of how to deal with WPA in a query
21:18<ianbentley>I've removed my password and my SSID and stuff.
21:18<ianbentley>and it's WEP
21:18<_ZeuZ_>Oh! Sorry
21:18<_ZeuZ_>I understood wpa
21:18<_ZeuZ_>well, try connecting this way:
21:19<_ZeuZ_>iwconfig $WLAN essid YOURSSID channel YOURCHANNEL key YOURKEY
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21:20<_ZeuZ_>as for time goes, that should connect you. Then use dhclient as I can see you're using DHCP...
21:20<rajazz>or dhclient3
21:20<_ZeuZ_>then, if you can browse the network, we'll browse to the config files
21:21<_ZeuZ_>rajazz, annoying little words. It's the bloody same.
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21:22<rajazz>my first try dhclient didn't workd but dhclient3 did
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21:22<rajazz>i don't know why
21:23<_ZeuZ_>Fill a bugtack
21:23<_ZeuZ_>rajazz if so: don't forget to attach a dhclient --version to it.
21:24<_ZeuZ_>And I can't forget that your current system is not currently the one you say.
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21:24<rajazz>ok, i got it
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21:31<kop>I want to expose system status via RSS. Anyone recommend any tools? On a related note, there's other info I want to expose. Should I setup an Atom or RSS feed? If RSS then which version?
21:32<_ZeuZ_>kop: I would advice to run the lowest thing that can be exploited from the outside...
21:33<kop>_ZeuZ_ : I'd only be available inside.
21:33<kop>_ZeuZ_ : s/I'd/It'd
21:33<_ZeuZ_>you mean for the inner network?
21:33<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Yes, and within the corporate wan.
21:34<_ZeuZ_>if so, anyone would do.. just use iptables to -j DROP packages that comes from the outside of the WAN or LAN
21:34<_ZeuZ_>kop, though, PHP has some cool facilities to show that info, if you're willing to set up an apache or lighttpd server...
21:35<kop>_ZeuZ_ : But the question is what tools put system status into an RSS/ATOM feed, and just what protocol should I choose?
21:35<_ZeuZ_>kop, Apache has rss mods..
21:35<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Yeah. They'll be a webserver. Probably lighttpd. Although I'd rather apache I've somewhat limited ram.
21:36<_ZeuZ_>kop, never used them personally...
21:36<_ZeuZ_>kop, well, let me see if lighttpd has any mod for rss
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21:38<_ZeuZ_>I've only done this kinds of things through php shows that info... not with a RSS actually in my case, but it would more or less fit your purposes
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21:38<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Seems to me that as long as your webserver is scriptable (e.g. with php) you just send out the xml via httpd and you're done.
21:39<_ZeuZ_>kop, but it's not an rss feed ^_^ you would be connecting and downloading the hyper text with the info instead of the feed
21:39<kop>_ZeuZ_ : I'm thinking I like Atom, it being sane. But I don't want to publish something that'll be a pain to support on the client.
21:40<zorpo>=/ If I *really* want Icedove 2.x and I'm running etch/stable is there a way to bring it in from testing without changing my whole system to testing?
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21:41<_ZeuZ_>zorpo, you mean 3.X or 2.x?
21:41<dpkg>backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
21:41<_ZeuZ_>both are avaible through backports though
21:41<zorpo>Icedove, not weasel
21:41<_ZeuZ_>Same thing
21:41<_ZeuZ_>(same workaround I mean)
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21:42<zorpo>wouldn't it show up in here though?
21:42<kop>_ZeuZ_ : I thought rss was delivered on port 80 via http with just another content type.
21:43<_ZeuZ_>kop, it is, but using a different content type... sending it through normal http content, is not an rss feed...
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21:43<kop>_ZeuZ_ : So you just tell php to change the content type header, right?
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21:44<_ZeuZ_>kop, that would do like to emulate it, but how the packages are received and parsed would not be the same... so, rss clients would not pick it up
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21:46<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Why would the client object? It's got the right content type and the right xml and is on the right port.
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21:48<_ZeuZ_>kop, because of how the client identifies against the php server, unless you code the exeption to it using the _USERAGENT param
21:48<_ZeuZ_>gotta go to study, don't take me that seriously, because in this case, I've started todoubt myself what would happen
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21:55<zorpo>well crap... the icedove in etch-backports is 1.5 also =p
21:55<mason_>Can someone tell me how I can set up a RAID0?
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21:56<kop>mason_ : man mdadm (after installing the mdadm package) ??
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21:57<gsimmons>!tell mason_ -about software raid
21:57<_ZeuZ_>zorpo, download the deb from and dpkg -i it you might have to search for the dependencies though
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21:58<zorpo>ok, thanks
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22:03<Atomdrache>Hello. May I as a noob question?
22:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:04<Atomdrache>Actually, I will anyway. I can't get etch to install on an RS/6000 b50, and I have found no instructions for anything newer than woody on how to install it.
22:04<Atomdrache>Attempted to install woody from floppy, but root.bin was too big to fit on one.
22:04<Atomdrache>So I am currently beset with "cannot use memory from load-base" and a lot of default catch errors.
22:05<Atomdrache>etch does not seem to have the floppy ramdisk stuff, and I can't find any way to do it from the install CDs.
22:05<Atomdrache>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make this, or any PPC CHRP machine, load etch from CD
22:05<kop>Atomdrache : I don't suppose you can do a pxe boot-type thing with tftp?
22:06<benjamindees>it doesn't support 1.44 floppies?
22:06<Atomdrache>No, because pxe is not applicable to RS/6000s and I do not have any Intel hardware.
22:06<Atomdrache>(nor do I want it)
22:06<Atomdrache>root.bin was bigger than 1.44MB.
22:06<Atomdrache>At least, the one I found for woody was.
22:06<benjamindees>that doesn't sound right
22:06<Atomdrache>It's 1.47.
22:07<Atomdrache>Attempting to copy it to floppy made the thing run out of space.
22:07<benjamindees>using dd?
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22:07<benjamindees>oh, heh, yeah use dd
22:07<Atomdrache>for a .bin file?
22:07<Atomdrache>Or for .img?
22:07<Atomdrache>If so, what would be the command I'd issue? I've never used dd.
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22:08<benjamindees>dd if=file.bin of=/dev/fd0
22:08<Atomdrache>cp seemed to work fine for the linux.bin, as well as for the thing's firmware upgrades.
22:08<Atomdrache>Also, the machine I use to write to the floppies is a Solaris 10 box. So /dev/fd0 doesn't exist.
22:08<Atomdrache>(I could figure out what the device is, but didn't feel like it at the moment because it was seven in the morning and I needed to sleep)
22:08<Atomdrache>I do not actually have any Linux machines.
22:09<Atomdrache>Just Solaris and OpenVMS at the moment.
22:09<benjamindees>let me get this straight, you copied it to a mounted floppy or to the floppy device?
22:09<Atomdrache>Mounted floppy.
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22:09<benjamindees>yeah I'm shocked that worked for anything.
22:09<Atomdrache>Works every time for files small enough to fit on it.
22:09<Atomdrache>Solaris might mount it some weird way. But I've never had to use dd.
22:09<benjamindees>works when you copy them, perhaps, but not when you try to use them.
22:09<kop>Atomdrache : The ppc install maunal at does not work for you?
22:10<Atomdrache>And I don't see how dd will make a 1.47MB file fit on a 1.44MB floppy.
22:10<Atomdrache>kop: No. It says zilch about CHRP machines.
22:10<Atomdrache>benjamindees: The RS/6000's SMS facility didn't seem to mind.
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22:10<Atomdrache>Nor did it interfere with linux.bin working, because that was small enough to fit.
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22:10<gsimmons>Atomdrache: Actually, it does: "For CHRP, floppy support is currently broken."
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22:11<Atomdrache>What I would rather find out about would be how to make the CD-ROM for Debian PPC bot on it.
22:11<kop>Atomdrache : You'd probably be best served by asking on the debian installer channel. (But I forget it's name...)
22:11<Atomdrache>if possible.
22:11<Atomdrache>Yeah, I'm kind of new to this network.
22:11<Atomdrache>Does anybody know the name of that channel?
22:11<gsimmons>Atomdrache: You may want to ask for assistance within #debianppc.
22:11<benjamindees> #debian-boot
22:11<Atomdrache>Thanks. That is a good start.
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22:14<Atomdrache>That is what I had been trying to use.
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22:15<Atomdrache>that's slightly different.
22:15<Atomdrache>I'll try out that root.bin.
22:15<benjamindees>I suggest checking the md5sums.
22:15<Atomdrache>(oops, wrong window)
22:16<Atomdrache>I don't see an md5sum in images-1.44.
22:16<Atomdrache>Ack. Nevermind, it's the same 1.47MB file.
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22:17<benjamindees>ls -hl is your friend
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22:18<Atomdrache>And that is supposed to fit on a 1.44M floppy?
22:18<benjamindees>1474560 / 1024 == 1440
22:18<Atomdrache>Fair enough. I'll try it out later and see if it does or doesn't give me anothe read error.
22:18<benjamindees>make sure you're using good floppies. use fdformat
22:19<Atomdrache>md5sums match.
22:19<Atomdrache>The floppies are new out of the box. I bought them a few days ago. At least a few should be good.
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22:21<prefizzzle_>I'm looking for a little guidance in setting up my wireless card...
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22:21<gsimmons>Cola: What wireless device do you have?
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22:22<Cola>Compaq WL215 - Wireless USB
22:23<Cola>I've seen its quite a common problem - but the FAQ's I'm reading are still a bit advanced for me
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22:23<gsimmons>Cola: Ah, Orinco USB.
22:24<gsimmons>!orinoco usb
22:24<dpkg>methinks orinoco usb is for information on the Orinoco USB variants, see, or firmware available from
22:24<Cola>well I downloaded those drivers
22:25<Cola>I can't even install them... I get "Kernel in /lib/modules/2.5.18-6-powerpc/build is not configured
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22:26<gsimmons>Cola: "aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)", then proceed to compile the driver.
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22:30<Cola>well the computer running debian isn't online
22:31<gsimmons>Cola: Well, that's a problem we can't possibly solve for you.
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22:31<Cola>I mean, its working... Its just not able to connect to the internet yet
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22:38<Cola>is there anyone who'd be willing to walk me through this?
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22:38<Cola>just logging in as root and installing these drivers
22:39<gsimmons>Cola: WFM on PPC. You'll need to have the firmware present in /lib/firmware prior to loading the orinoco_usb module.
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22:55<kop>Where can I go to talk about web feed formats RSS/ATOM?
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22:56<benjamindees> #networking ?
22:57<benjamindees>er, heh this is oftc not freenode nevermind :)
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23:04<RIVE>Hi, good evning.
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23:07<rrm>hi rive
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23:15<kerin>"THIS IS NOT #ubuntu"?
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23:15<kerin>Is spillover really such a problem?
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23:17<witte>kerin: some ubuntu irc clients seem to be set to automatically log into this channel
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23:19<schmichael0>hi all, whats the fastest way to install debian on a machine which requires madwifi for net access?
23:19<schmichael0>i just got a new computer with XP and am looking for the fastest route to get Sid on it
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23:22<schmichael0>i tried win-loader from but it didn't work in standard mode and expert mode 404s when downloading its image
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23:23<Guest1998>hello yang
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23:24<Guest1998>hello Ryan52
23:25<gsimmons>schmichael0: That's due to the ath_pci (madwifi) module not being included. Ideally, you'd want to install Debian using a wired connection, then compile/install a 'madwifi-modules-*' package after installation.
23:26<schmichael0>gsimmons: is there someway to get debian installed without inet or burning a cd?
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23:27<nixfreak>I installed in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins restarted iceweasel and still no flash any clues
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23:28<gsimmons>schmichael0: You _may_ be able to get away with using ath5k (which is included in recent d-i builds), depending on its level of support for your Atheros chipset.
23:29<benjamindees>schmichael0, there is a hard drive installation method, if you can get grub installed.
23:29<benjamindees>schmichael0, or floppies :)
23:31<nixfreak>anyone get flash to work on iceweasel ?
23:31<schmichael0>gsimmons, benjamindees: hm... i can connect a computer with the madwifi drivers on it to this desktop via wired network. what installer should i use to get that far fastest?
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23:31<schmichael0>i'm downloading the full Lenny CD1 right now but that will take forever
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23:33<benjamindees>netinst cd, there is a 40mb image and a 180mb image.
23:33<gsimmons>schmichael0: netinst is usually sufficient.
23:33<schmichael0>i'm getting a 404 when trying to download it
23:33<schmichael0>heh, can't middle click paste... i hate XP ;-)
23:33<benjamindees>schmichael0, where are you located?
23:34<schmichael0>peoria, il
23:34<schmichael0>so is super fast for me
23:34<benjamindees>that server you were using is in sweden :-/
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23:35<schmichael0> sent me to it for some reason
23:35<gsimmons>schmichael0: Change your URL to reference 'beta2', as these are starting to become available.
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23:36<benjamindees>gsimmons, beta2 breaks netinst :p
23:36<schmichael0>this is not going well ;-)
23:36*benjamindees brb, storm
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23:38<gsimmons>benjamindees: No, the preparations for the beta2 installer break some installation media for beta1.
23:38<schmichael0>wait a second... i have an ancient laptop with debian sid i could proxy through
23:38<schmichael0>can i setup an apt proxy?
23:38<schmichael0>and use the goodbye windows installer?
23:40<schmichael0>i know its heresy but some nonfree drivers in the installer sure would make installing debian a hell of a lot easier ;-)
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23:40<schmichael0>switching to ancient laptop, brb
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23:43<schmichael0>argh, foiled again
23:43<schmichael0>wireless drivers (orinoco?) broken on the old laptop!
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23:47<schmichael0>xid: oooh! that looks very promising! can i feed something to the URL field for win-loader?
23:47<xid>don't know
23:48<schmichael0>alright, downloading the iso
23:48<xid>just make a test with
23:48<schmichael0>i have 1 blank CD left, so this better work ;-)
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23:50<xid>schmichael0, better use of CDWR than a "mono" CDR ...
23:51<schmichael0>xid: yeah and i'd be better off just using a wired connection for the install, but don't have such luxuries :)
23:51*benjamindees gave you an etch url earlier
23:51*schmichael0 was confused by what to do with that url
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23:52<schmichael0>sorry if i seem a bit slow... i've used debian for years and usually just install from a full cd
23:53<schmichael0>but tonight i have some unusual constraints to work with (wireless inet only for starters)
23:53<schmichael0>xid: so that image has madwifi preinstalled?
23:53<xid>never tried , but its seems so
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23:54<schmichael0>hm.. think it will have NTFS read access?
23:54<schmichael0>i guess i could download madwifi's source onto my XP partition
23:56<benjamindees>you must have a horrible internet connection to consider a rigged installer rather than a full iso
23:56<schmichael0>benjamindees: full iso would take about 3 hours. how would i get the madwifi driver with it?
23:57<benjamindees>after it's installed
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23:57<schmichael0>benjamindees: would a full iso come with build tools and ntfs access?
23:58<xid>schmichael0, no wired net on that laptop ?
23:58<schmichael0>xid: this is a desktop far away from my router, so wireless only unless i want to do a lot running around ;-)
23:58<benjamindees>build tools yes and ntfs read only access
23:59<schmichael0>benjamindees: ah, hm... that might work
23:59<dpkg>hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
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