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00:08<toasterboy>do i need the files in /var/apt/cache/archives?
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00:08<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: just run apt-get clean;
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00:12<toasterboy>got it
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00:52<marcot>I'm using lenny, with a chroot to sid. In lenny my UTF-8 support is ok, but not in my chroot.
00:53<marcot>When I import a gpg key in the sid chroot, it reads wrong the UTF char in my name, and I can't sign anything.
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00:56<marcot>I can't even type an UTF character after I chroot to sid.
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01:14<lonatwo>um, help
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01:16<lonatwo>my x is trashed and i cant start it. i'm at a console now and information about my ethernet interface config keeps dumping to my screen while i type. i don't know whats wrong with x. it just crashes and haltswhen i try to run it.
01:17<jm_>what interface config?
01:17<jm_>check x logfile
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01:18<lonatwo>sorry for any wierd typing and such. it's In=eth2 out= MAC <a bunch of hex values> src=222.240.x.x dest=<my ip> len=42 tos=0x00 prec=0x00 ttl=48 id=52594 proto=udp sp
01:18<lonatwo>over and over and over again
01:19<jm_>!tell lonatwo -about printk console
01:19<jm_>ohh damn
01:19<lonatwo>i'm using irssi so if that opened a window i won't see it
01:19<jm_>run dmesg -n1
01:19<lonatwo>i can barely read the output on my screen
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01:21<lonatwo>whta did that do?
01:21<jm_>man dmesg
01:21<lonatwo>i cant read the man. all this info keeps dumping to my screen
01:21<jm_>that should have stopped it
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01:22<jm_>then try dmesg -n0
01:22<lonatwo>i think it stopped
01:22<Bladesman>Anyone using a USRobotics router and know the /etc/network/interfaces settings? Just looking for the network and broadcast addresses.
01:22<jm_>Bladesman: doesn't it do DHCP?
01:22<lonatwo>ok. now i can read my screen
01:22<Bladesman>Oops, an 8004 router.
01:22<lonatwo>could someone help me reconfigure x?
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01:24<Bladesman>Yes, but my addresses keep changing. Trying to have a static IP on this side of the router, if possible.
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01:25<Bladesman>DCC doesn't work, for instance, for some reason.
01:25<jm_>your router should have such posibility
01:25<Supaplex>!tell lonatwo about drxx
01:26<lonatwo>ok... i'm using irssi. if that opened a window i cant see it
01:27<Bladesman>Use Alt+1 thru 9 to change windows in irssi.
01:28<Bladesman>Errr...left-alt, rather.
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01:29<Bladesman>Scroll thru the /set command's output and find the windo settings to auto-create and switch over to them when opened.
01:29<jm_>irssi must be the crapiest IRC client when it comes to defaults
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01:30*Bladesman grins. Yeah, but it's quiet if you're using a SpeakUP modified, talking kernel.
01:30<tyler>I've got a quick question. I'm trying to compile a module from the hello world tutorial on kernel modules. It's not compiling correctly, though. I'm not sure what I need to do so that the compiler will recognize the linux headers package I downloaded, and put it in it's path
01:31<tyler>what needs to be done so that the headers are added to the include path?
01:31<jm_>tyler: that's not a quick question!
01:31<jm_>tyler: install appropriate linux-headers package
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01:31<tyler>already done
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01:32<jm_>then you should be all set
01:32<lonatwo>i'm getting an error saying "No screens found"
01:32<Bladesman>That, and grep for any pointers to the headers in the makefile and put the headers there, or vice-versa.
01:32<lonatwo>i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:32<jm_>if hello world module is anywhere near sane it should rely on /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build symlink to find the headers
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01:34<tyler>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18'
01:34<tyler>make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.
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01:35<lonatwo>the message says "Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf" | Undefined device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen" | (EE) Problem parsing the config file
01:36<lonatwo>Fatal Server error: No screens found
01:36<tyler>that's the msg I get when I try to make
01:36<tyler>it's not updating the symlinks
01:36<jm_>then you failed to install the right linux-headers package
01:36<tyler>uh. no
01:36<tyler>I just dpkg --reconfigured it
01:37<jm_>like I said, look in X logfile to figur eout what is wrong, but the above is already a good hint at what is wrong
01:37<tyler>why is it pointing at kbuild?
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01:37<jm_>which package did you install?
01:37<lonatwo>where is the x logfile located?
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01:38<tleuser>what is the difference between ubuntu and debian
01:38*Bladesman wishes they still had the old RFC-doc package.
01:38<tyler>ubuntu comes with xwindow installed.
01:38<tyler>as well as other packages
01:38<jm_>and your kernel is 2.6.18-6-686?
01:39<jm_>Debian also comes with X installed ...
01:39<tyler>miss. screen didn't move. I'll copy the top of dmesg
01:39<blarson>tleuser: ubuntu doesn't follow debians dfsg.
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01:39<tyler>Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6) ( (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-
01:39<lonatwo>the log says exactly wht i enter above
01:40<jm_>indeed, I already said that's a very good hint
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01:40*Bladesman jamz...
01:40<Bladesman>Keep well, all.
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01:40<jm_>then you need to figure out how build system for hello world is finding stuff
01:40<tyler>so the package matches with the kernekl
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01:40<tyler>ur, kernel
01:40<lonatwo>if this makes sense to you i'd appreciate it if you pointed me in the right direction. i'm not sure what that means
01:41<jm_>well edit the config file, check the sections it mentions
01:41<jm_>it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
01:41<tyler>I don't think when I installed the package, or reconfigured it, it updated the correct symlinks to point where they need to
01:41<jm_>paste it on pastebin if you can't figure it out
01:42<jm_>it does that automatically since symlink is part of the package, simply run ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname)/build
01:43<tyler>ls: /lib/modules/Linux/build: No such file or directory
01:43<jm_>sorry that should say uname -r
01:44<tyler>thanks. sorry. I'm not surew what this whole unname thing is. just copying syntax. :)
01:45<Hideo>you should always read more about it in the manual before executing any commands
01:45<tyler>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 2008-06-19 17:31 /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18/
01:45<Hideo>what if that -r was meant to remove everything?
01:45<tyler>but it's not. so I'm safe.
01:45<jm_>ok now do you have that dir?
01:46<Hideo>ah well
01:46<tyler>in that dir is linux and scripts
01:46<jm_>where can I find his hellow world module?
01:46<tyler>lem' grab the link
01:49<jm_>right it works just fine for me, what was it that is missing
01:49<jm_>do you have linux-kbuild package installed?
01:49<tyler>I believe so. that's where that's pointing to
01:49<tyler>and I have the dir
01:50<jm_>no, that's a third package
01:50<tyler>I've got it.
01:50<tyler>linux-kbuild-2.6.18 is already the newest version.
01:51<jm_>hmm looks fine, I wonder what is missing then
01:52<lonatwo>what do i edit? this is new to me
01:52<tyler>here's the full output
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01:53<lonatwo>could i just reinstall x?
01:53<lonatwo>would that fix the problem?
01:53<tyler>it might give you a fixed conf file
01:53<tyler>besides that, it won't solve much
01:54<lonatwo>i'm not sure what to edit. these values mean nothing to me
01:54<jm_>then paste it like I said
01:54<tyler>there isn't a doc with info on the fields?
01:54<lonatwo>paste what?
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01:54<lonatwo>the xorg.conf file?
01:54<jm_>hmm do you have Makefile in /usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18?
01:54<jm_>yeah xorg.conf
01:55<tyler>no. all that's there is scripts and linux
01:55<tyler>past the conf file on pastebin. and paste the url here
01:55<lonatwo>i cant paste anything. i'm doing this from the console.
01:55<jm_>you can use lynx/links/w3m/pastebinit and/or
01:57*Supaplex checks for a wrapper to have unlink requests ignored
01:57<tyler>I see a few diff make files in scripts, but it won't make them. just says nothing to be done...
01:57<jm_>libtrash - A trash can library to use with LD_PRELOAD
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01:58<tyler>the linux thing is a symlink. when I cd to it. it says to many levels of symbolic links
01:59<jm_>paste the status of dpkg -s linux-headers-2.6.18-6
01:59<jm_>output of (on pastebin!)
01:59<Supaplex>jm_: possibly. looks like I have something to hack on. :)
01:59<tyler>nods. :)
02:00<lonatwo>what is lynx/links/w3m/pastebinit?
02:01<jm_>first three are tty based web browser, pastebinit is PastebinIt it command line tool to paste stuff on pastebin sites
02:02<lonatwo>apt-get install pastebinit
02:02<jm_>indeed, it's in lenny or newer - do you have a backup xorg.conf file?
02:03<tyler>ok. rather than bomb you with more questions, I tried fixing it. and was successful. It told me to apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) which is what I did in the dpkg-s. :) thanks for all the help
02:03<jm_>but you claimed you had that installed!
02:04*jm_ grumbles
02:04<tyler>I did
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02:04<tyler>I installed the 86. it was in dpkg -l.
02:04<jm_>lonatwo: it says Unknown post id
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02:04<lonatwo> sorry
02:04<jm_>tyler: what did it say?
02:04<tyler>not sure what the problem with it was. when I posted, I was posting the package from dpkg -l, which matched the dmesg output as well
02:05<jm_>maybe it wasn't in state "ii"
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02:05<jm_>lonatwo: pastebinit your Xorg.0.log too
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02:06<tyler>think it was when I installed it. anyway, thanks for the hint... it was what got it going. :)
02:07<lonatwo>sorry again.
02:08<jm_>do you have a backup of xorg.conf?
02:09<lonatwo>there are several
02:09<lonatwo>should i use the first one?
02:09<lonatwo>i.e. oldest
02:10<jm_>try using the latest before the current one
02:10<lonatwo>the latest before the current was a failure as well. i have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at least 3 times and each one has created a backup file.
02:10<jm_>that's very poor error reporting for new auto-configuring X server
02:10<jm_>ahh then use the last one before you started reconfiguring it
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02:12<lonatwo>that's the thing i never started reconfiguring it. it just started crashing by itself. i used the original and i'm back at x starting and hanging. an X appears to represent my mouse, but the screen stays fuzzy black and white checkers.
02:13<jm_>that means it works :)
02:13<lonatwo>but it just stays there. it doesn't load.
02:13<jm_>do you have ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc files?
02:14<lonatwo>wth. when i right click a menu comes up. i think it's tvm.
02:14<lonatwo>where would they be located?
02:14<tyler>thanks again jm_ I'm out
02:14*tyler waves
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02:14<jm_>so what did you use before? GNOME/KDE/XFCE?
02:14<jm_>~/.foo is absolute path, ls -l ~/.foo is good enough to check it
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02:16<jm_>check what's your default session set to - update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
02:16<jm_>or use --list to list them all
02:16<lonatwo>in what file?
02:17<jm_>it's a command, run it
02:18<lonatwo>update-alternatives is not installed on my system
02:18<jm_>install it?
02:19<jm_>are you using Debian at all?
02:19<jm_>in that case you must have update-alternatives installed
02:20<lonatwo>it's not
02:20<lonatwo>so i'm installing gnome...
02:20<jm_>it is, dpkg -S update-alternatives
02:20<lonatwo>that might help
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02:34<Hideo>this linux addiction is not healthy for me :(
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02:35<tenzind>hi .. where can I find the Debian Packaging manual? doesnt have a link for the Packaging Manual
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02:40<lonatwo>dpkg update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
02:40<dpkg>lonatwo: are you smoking crack?
02:41<lonatwo>no. why? am i all over the place?
02:41<tenzind>Hideo, ok thanks ... so the Packaging manual and developers-reference are one and the same?
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02:41<Hideo>tenzind: I have no clue
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03:50<toasterb0y>what web browser do you use? anyone?
03:53<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
03:54<Supaplex>dpkg: anyone is also <search>
03:54<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
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03:54<toasterb0y>i'm selecting a secondary browser for my system
03:54<toasterb0y>i'm looking for input
03:55<Hideo>my browser beats both Supaplex's and Ganneff's
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03:56<jm_>iceweasel, iceape, opera here
03:56<Supaplex>Hideo: nawe, ifup matrix0
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03:57<Hideo>I concede
03:57<Supaplex>dillo, elinks, lynx, wget, konqueror. all depending on my mood.
03:58<Supaplex>!start a browser war
03:58<dpkg>IE is more useful than Firebird!
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04:01<nanda>hello everybody, can mailman catch, bounced emails to a gmail account
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04:04<Supaplex>why would a gmail account be significant? You're asking if mailman runs in gmail at google?
04:04<nanda>let me clarify
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04:04<nanda>i am receiving all bounced emails to an account, say, can mailman figure out what sort of bounce it is(soft bounce or hard bounce?)
04:07<SlayerXP>nanda: what's a soft bounce?
04:08<nanda>soft bounce = when the email bounces due to reasons like, mailbox full, temporary reasons
04:08<nanda>hardbounce = when email doesn't exist
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04:09<nanda>I need to differentiate between these two
04:09<nanda>and act accordingly
04:09<Supaplex>so it depends either on the smtp error code, or possibly a delivered bounce (backscatter)
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04:10<nanda>can we get what sort of bounce it is from the error code??
04:10<SlayerXP>nanda: you're confused. a bounce is a bounce, it's up to the recieving software to decide what to do with it.
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04:12<nanda>ya, thats the point, How can my receiving software knows to categorize the mail based on what sort of bounce it is???
04:12<Supaplex>if bounces, do you really want to be involved? :D
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04:14<nanda>Ofcos not. But say I have a google-apps mailserver account called MyOrg, so i have the bounce address as, Imagine this scenario
04:14<SlayerXP>nanda: how does software normally make decisions?
04:16<nanda>You mean software like mailman? It does based on the full mail content. I have looked at the mailman bounce api. This is how it does
04:17<SlayerXP>nanda: ummm, so why are you asking the question you're asking?
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04:19<SlayerXP>nanda: i charge GBP70 per incident for private support. if you don't want to pay this, keep it in the channel.
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04:20<nanda>I dont get it.
04:21<jm_>!tell nanda about msg
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04:32<toasterb0y>ok. so do i have temporary files? in windows there was the *Documents and Settings/<user>/Local Settings/Temp files. is there something similar *in the *nix world?
04:32<[machine]>toasterb0y: /tmp
04:33<toasterb0y>that's it?
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04:38<gizmokaka>Hi to all, very small question, I inserted the usb stick to it's port and it doesn't seem to have mounted automatically
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04:39<gizmokaka>or actually i am not sure. now i looked in dmesg, it looks it was recognized OK and is active
04:40<gizmokaka>when trying to mount it with vfat or usbdevfs it fails with a wrong or unknown fs message
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04:40<gizmokaka>how do i find out the correct fs for my USB??
04:40<jm_>you don't have to, you must be mounting wrong path
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04:42<gizmokaka>what do you mean? i am mounting the device shown in fdisk as my usb stick
04:43<gizmokaka>also when doing mount i see that procbususb is mounted as well
04:43<gizmokaka>but no device mounted there
04:43<jm_>what did you type?
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04:44<gizmokaka>mount -t fstype /dev/sdb /media/usb (for example)
04:45<gizmokaka>then the same with /dev/sdb1
04:45<gizmokaka>and with a few fstypes
04:45<jm_>cat /proc/partitions
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04:48<jm_>so it's sdb1 -- mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb
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04:48<gizmokaka>did that, it sais, must specify fs type
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04:49<gizmokaka>oh shit
04:49<jm_>are you sure it's formatted at all? what does file /dev/sdb1 say?
04:49<gizmokaka>sorry now it worked
04:49<Hideo>look at the package pmount, it's made up of 100% grounded kittens and unicorns
04:49<gizmokaka>but i just rechacked, and i did the saem a few seconds ago
04:49<jm_>or usbmount
04:50<gizmokaka>i can do only usbmount?
04:50<jm_>you must typically wait for several seconds before attempting to mount it
04:50<jm_>usbmount does it automatically oninsertion
04:51<gizmokaka>you mean that oninsertion usbmount runs or i should run
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04:51<jm_>it runs
04:51<jm_>and does its job
04:51<gizmokaka>but who runs it
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04:52<jm_>read its description to find out!
04:53<gizmokaka>thanks anyway
04:53<Hideo>omfg rtfm bbq!
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07:19<zippidymeow>hello is this #debian?
07:19<zippidymeow>can someone help me with the debian popularity contest
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07:20<cogwheel>!ask |zippidymeow
07:20<cogwheel>!ask | zippidymeow
07:20<zippidymeow>when did it begin?
07:20<cogwheel>darn you dpkg..
07:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:21<zippidymeow>when did the debian popularity contest start?
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07:23<zippidymeow>google failed to answer that too...
07:23<cogwheel>though i'd guess 24th of january 2004
07:23<cogwheel>since that's the earliest date found in the statistics
07:23<cogwheel>not sure though
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07:24<twb>I'm doing something wrong.
07:24<twb>I have "deb-src testing main" in my sources.list; I did an apt-get update.
07:24<twb>But "apt-get source msmtp" still fails.
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07:24<zippidymeow>thanks, ill ask avery through email i guess
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07:30<jm_>twb: shouldn't you be using ftp.<foo> instead?
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07:30<jewel>twb, deb-src unstable main, works for me
07:31<twb>jm_: I already tried my local mirrors, and they weren't working
07:31<twb>I can apt-get source other packages; e.g. masqmail
07:32<twb>Could it be because msmtp had a binnmu?
07:32<jm_>twb: WFM with lenny
07:32<jm_>dpkg-source: info: unpacking msmtp_1.4.13.orig.tar.gz
07:32<twb>I used dget instead, passing the full URL to the dsc. I'll stop caring about the issue now.
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07:46<twb>enouf: devscripts: /usr/bin/dget
07:47*enouf should've known
07:47<twb>Like wget -r, but for the .dsc file
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07:48<enouf>got any pinning going on?
07:48<twb>I do have APT::Default-Release "testing";
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07:49<enouf>does apt-cache showsrc msmtp show it
07:49<enouf>is it even in testing?
07:49<themill>apt-get source -t lenny msmtp works for me
07:50<enouf>i'm not on lenny, so ..
07:50<twb>enouf: it lists it, yes.
07:51<jm_>enouf: you can still use rmadison to find out ;)
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07:51<enouf>oh, it's source install
07:51<enouf>isn't it? or use -d to just d/l
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07:51<enouf>jm_: righto .. ya know? i just did a search for madison, not 1 hour ago :-P came up with madison-lite
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07:54<enouf>eww .. W: Unable to locate package rmadison
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07:55*enouf is a dumbdumb
07:55<enouf>i love this ;-P ~$ apt-cache show devscripts 2>&1 | less
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07:59<amorphous>could anyone tell me how to get the msttcorefonts for openoffice in etch?
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08:02<jm_>you don't know how to install packages?
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08:04<dpkg>it has been said that msttcorefonts is a package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). The package is in contrib (ask me about <contrib>) or you can download them yourself from and ask me about <install font>.
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10:03<WolfClaw>hi can anyone tell me what does the env var $? stand for?
10:03<WolfClaw>i cant seem to search for it on google
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10:05<themill>WolfClaw: $$ is the current process ID
10:05<SlayerXP>$? is the exit code of the last process run
10:05<WolfClaw>ty can you point me to suitable reference?
10:07<WolfClaw>nm i found one :) ty SlayerXP, themill
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10:29<mefisto>nevyskytl se vám někomu problém s přehráváním videa?
10:30<mefisto>že při spuštění videa v totemu jede pouze a jinak zelená obrazovka..
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10:33<mefisto>hello.. have somebody same problem as me? when i play some movie, the sound go ok, but screen is all time only green..
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10:37<JeffFromOhio>Hello. I work in tech support for a company that releases applications which have Linux builds. I had a customer report a problem with Debian testing / "lenny". I wanted to double check here that I am going about upgrading to testing correctly.
10:37<JeffFromOhio>The first thing I did was install Debian 4.0r3 using the Netinst iso image
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10:37<JeffFromOhio>After getting that fully installed, I logged into X / Gnome, and when to "Desktop > Administration > Software Information"
10:38<JeffFromOhio>I updated all the internet repositories to point to distro 'testing' (originally they pointed to 'etch')
10:39<JeffFromOhio>Then, I opened a terminal, used su to become root, and ran apt-get dist-upgrade
10:39<JeffFromOhio>Is that right?
10:39<Ganneff>missed apt-get update
10:39<JeffFromOhio>Well, the software information tool automatically refreshed the repo info
10:39<JeffFromOhio>so, I think the apt-get update is uneccesary, isn't it?
10:39<Ganneff>if it is run by $whateverguitool - yes
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10:40<JeffFromOhio>well, I noticed something in the output of apt-get dist-upgrade that kind of worries me. It says it's going to remove gnome-desktop-environment. Should it be doing that?
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10:42<Ganneff>its a metapackage. if it has problems with some of its dependencies it might remove that, yes. if thats a problem - depends on what other package it tries to remove and if you need it
10:44<JeffFromOhio>I dunno if this is related, but after downloading all the packages, apt-get is throwing an error and aborting the upgrade. The error is:
10:44<JeffFromOhio>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring
10:45<JeffFromOhio>Any idea how I can get past that?
10:45<JeffFromOhio>Or is that something I should add a bug report on the debian website for?
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10:46<less>Keyring, sounds like an ssh issue to me.
10:46<Ganneff>less: wrong.
10:46<Ganneff>less: debian-archive-keyring != ssh
10:46<less>TNX for enlightening me, Ganneff.
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10:46<JeffFromOhio>Doesn't keyring store passwords and WEP/WPA keys?
10:48<JeffFromOhio>Well, so, any suggestions for what I can do about this upgrade problem?
10:48<Ganneff>JeffFromOhio: i would go, from stable after changing the urls to point to testing and then apt-get install apt-get aptitude
10:48<Ganneff>and use the newer tools to do the rest
10:48<Ganneff>and that keyring thing - is a package with gpg keys used to check the downloaded packages files
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10:48<JeffFromOhio>The system has Synaptic installed already - can I use that instead of aptitude?
10:49<Ganneff>i never used synaptic so wont say anything about it.
10:49<Ganneff>it might work
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10:52<kaliMastah>anyone knows how to use a usb infrared adapter for desktop here?
10:53<kaliMastah>im using debian
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10:59<kaliMastah>hello anybody home?
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11:01<jclinton>everyone call their congressmen in the House and tell them to vote against telecom immunity?
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11:01<SlayerXP>kaliMastah: sorry, there's no-one here to hear your bleats right now, please leave a message after the beep.
11:01<jclinton>it's up for a surprise vote today; EFF hasn't even had time to send out an alert
11:01<SlayerXP>kaliMastah: *beep*
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11:06<kaliMastah>anybody home
11:06<kaliMastah>i need help
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11:06<kaliMastah>i cant figure it out how to use infrared adapter to my linux
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11:13<Laeborg>any way to do so a 160gb and a 500gb HDD works like one?
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11:18<JeffFromOhio>Laeborg: In order to use more than one physical hard drive as a single drive, you need to either setup some sort of RAID (not sure if RAID is an option with different sized disks though), or LVM - Logical Volume Manager
11:19<JeffFromOhio>LVM allows you to add additional disks to a filesystem
11:19<kaliMastah>hi JeffFromOhio and Laeborg
11:19<JeffFromOhio>dunno a lot about it, but try reading up on LVM
11:19<JeffFromOhio>Kali: Hi. Sorry, I don't know anything about infrared devices
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11:20<Laeborg>well i am a newb to linux, I have only used it as my primary OS in about 2 months, and before that, I only used it as OS on my servers
11:20<JeffFromOhio>I would suggest that google might be your best friend for finding out about using IR receivers with Linux
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11:21<kaliMastah>im googling...i found out about the irda project of linux
11:21<kaliMastah>i hope this would just asking some people here for added knowledge
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11:23<JeffFromOhio>Laeborg: I did a google search for Debian Linux LVM, and that article was one of the results - looks like a good starting point. You might try using google to find other source of info about Debian and LVM too
11:25<Laeborg>okay :)
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11:28<JeffFromOhio>bye everyone
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11:31<AHA_>Could someone give me some support on getting wifi to work on a fresh lenny install?
11:32<gsimmons>AHA_: What wireless device do you have?
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11:32<AHA_>intel proset wireless
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11:32<AHA_>Intel Pro wireless 3945
11:33<gsimmons>!tell AHA_ -about ipw3945
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11:34<cahoot>lenny doesn't provide a kernel with iwlwifi?
11:34<gsimmons>cahoot: It does.
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11:35<enouf>cahoot: sure, .24 and up, no?
11:35<cahoot>right - just read the info in the factoid
11:36<enouf>oh, it's not even you asking ;-P
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11:38<AHA_>When i run the command dpkg told me to, it says it can't find any of the specified packages:
11:39<cahoot>AHA_: read the info about iwlwifi
11:39<gsimmons>AHA_: You want to run the commands relevent to Lenny, not Etch.
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11:41<themill>AHA_: ipw3945 is no longer in the kernel, you need to change to the iwl3945 driver.
11:42<AHA_>it still says it can't find the requested packages, even doing what the bot says for lenny
11:42<cahoot>AHA_: doesn't find firmware-iwlwifi?
11:42<gsimmons>AHA_: Did you add non-free sources, as advised?
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11:42<themill>AHA_: what are you doing, exactly.
11:42<themill>AHA_: what is the output, *exactly*.
11:42<AHA_>aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
11:43<AHA_>"Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-iwlwifi""
11:43<themill>AHA_: and did you add non-free to your sources.list?
11:43<Laeborg> - whats wrong ?
11:43<AHA_>themill, no, i have not
11:44<AHA_>How would i do that, exactly?
11:44<gsimmons>Laeborg: You need to specify a filesystem type if you include the -t option.
11:44<gsimmons>!tell AHA_ -about non-free sources
11:44<themill>AHA_: then you didn't do what the bot said, did you?
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11:44<Laeborg>what should i then use?
11:44<themill>Laeborg: you can usually omit -t
11:45<themill>(and the fs type, obviously)
11:46<Laeborg>mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt/Completed
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11:48<toasterboy>removing gnome-games* seems to remove gnome as well. am i doing something wrong?`
11:48<maxb>Laeborg: Order matters! Options before parameters!
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11:49<maxb>However, if you have a fstab entry, merely "mount /dev/sdc2" or "mount /mnt/Completed"
11:49<Laeborg>i don't have a fstab entry yet
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11:50<toasterboy>wont remving gnome mean i have no window manager?
11:50<maxb>uh, also, "-t <type>". You have a bare -t
11:50<Laeborg>what file system should i use?
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11:50<fxiny>yeahh gnome takes the mushrooms away
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11:51<Laeborg>psydelic mushrooms ?
11:51<maxb>Well, what fs is on the device?
11:51<Laeborg>nothing yet
11:52<twb>kolter: ping. What is the status of #484736 (ITA: msmtp)? Have you done any work on packaging .15?
11:52<AHA_>Alright, i installed firmware-iwlwifi, but when when i try: modprobe iwl3945, it says "bash: modprobe: command not found"
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11:52<cahoot>as root?
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11:53<toasterboy>yeah. any tcp configuration must be done as root
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11:53<AHA_>oh, no I didn't. When i do it though, it seemingly does nothing
11:53<cahoot>that's as should be
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11:53<cahoot>i e no error
11:53<ffws|hathe>AHA_: nothing means no error
11:53<Staale>Is it possible to create an lvm volume, and add it as a device to a raid array?
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11:55<Laeborg>fx3719:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/sdc2 /mnt/Completed -o defaults,rw,force
11:55<Laeborg>mount: /dev/sdc2 already mounted or /mnt/Completed busy
11:55<fxiny>ext2 ?
11:56<fxiny>does df show the mounted one ?
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12:00<AHA_>Now that i have done all the steps, should wireless work now?
12:01<cahoot>iwconfig shows it?
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12:01<gsimmons>AHA_: It should. Install the 'wireless-tools' package, perform a scan using the iwlist tool (eg. iwlist wlan0 scan).
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12:02<toasterboy>hey. i want to remove gnome-games, but it looks like that will remove gnome as well. is that normal? i still want to keep my gnome installed, just get rid of the games.
12:02<AHA_>cahoot, what should iwconfig show?
12:03<AHA_>it doesn't
12:03<cahoot>check dmesg
12:03<AHA_>im looking for wlan0?
12:03<cahoot>no complaint about firmware?
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12:04<toasterboy>did you ifconfig wlan0 up
12:04<WolfClaw>i have a deb file that i downloaded (not in repos), how can i install it?
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12:04<AHA_>toasterboy, "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
12:04<toasterboy>aptitude -i <file>.deb
12:05<toasterboy>WolfClaw: ^^
12:05<WolfClaw>ty toasterboy
12:05<toasterboy>wait. what card is it?
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12:05<AHA_>Intel Pro wireless 3945
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12:07<toasterboy>then i guess it's not being recognized
12:07<toasterboy>wireless isn't really my thing. dunno what to tell you
12:07<cahoot>aha check dmesg, no complaint about firmware?
12:07<WolfClaw>didnt work toasterboy,
12:08<WolfClaw>-u and -i may not be specified in command-line mode (eg, with 'install')
12:08<gsimmons>AHA_: You may need to unload and reload the iwl3945 module (modprobe -r iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945). Some drivers either require the firmware present prior to loading (which may have been preempted by udev), while others load firmware only when the radio is activated.
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12:08<cahoot>also see to that any hw switch isn't turned off
12:08<AHA_>gsimmons, i think that worked
12:09<toasterboy>WolfClaw: use google
12:09<gsimmons>AHA_: Do you have a wlan0 device available in iwconfig / ifconfig -a output?
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12:14<cahoot>sparse response
12:14<knoppix_>HI HELLO
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12:15<Guest959>somebody there?
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12:42<graytron>anything to consider when compiling the latest linux 2.6 kernel using make-kpkg on etch? will there be problems or should it work without any debian specific patches?
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12:42<graytron>without any problems :)
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12:45<toasterboy>sry. need coffee
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12:48<Graveworm>Hi all :)! Is there an easy way to show all acl's in a tabular way or something? I adminstrate a server and for the people I do that I need an "eyecandy" way to show them, what permissions I've set. Beside that I also don't want to always look and scroll a lot on the console ;)...
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12:49<jewel>how do I prevent combinations like alt-2 from printing a superscript 2 (I want wmaker to switch to a different workspace)
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12:55<ffws|hathe>is there a changelog for xserver-xorg-video-intel somewhere?
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13:01<Laeborg>fx3719:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/sdc2 /mnt/Completed -o defaults,rw,force
13:01<Laeborg>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc2,
13:01<Laeborg>missing codepage or other error
13:01<Laeborg>In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
13:01<Laeborg>dmesg | tail or so¡
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13:01<cahoot>ffws|hathe perhaps?:
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13:03<cahoot>Laeborg:tried -t auto already?
13:03<Laeborg>mount -t auto ?
13:03<cahoot>i e auto instead of ext2
13:03<Laeborg>mount -t auto /dev/sdc2 /mnt/Completed -o defaults,rw,force doesn't work either
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13:04<cahoot>Laeborg: what does fdisk -l /dev/sdc return wrt sdc2?
13:05<Graveworm>Laeborg: Is there really a filesystem on that device? Is it ext2? Is so, what does an "e2fsck" says?
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13:05<dpkg>i heard p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
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13:06<Laeborg>/dev/sdc2 2 60801 488376000 83 Linux
13:06<ffws|hathe>cahoot: thanks, now I only have to find the upstream changelog
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13:07<cahoot>ffws|hathe: then you need talk to mr Torvalds
13:09<cahoot>Laeborg: looks like it really is ext2/3
13:09<Graveworm>Laeborg: What did you do with the harddisk (?) before?
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13:12<cristy>de donde sois??
13:13<cristy>que pasa??
13:13<cristy>nadiee contestaaaaa
13:13<Tallken>er... cristy: speak english chica
13:14<cristy>What your names??
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13:14<Tallken>cristy: this is a techical channel about Debian, the free Operating System... you honestly can't expect people to reply to that question :P
13:15<cristy>you speak Spanish??
13:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:16<cristy>My name is Cristina
13:16<cristy>Where old you??
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13:17<dondelelcaro>whatever that is at should set a better default chat network and channel
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13:19<toasterboy>i'm trying to get my logitech gamepad to work. i installed and configured jscalibrator but that didn't help.
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13:23<Graveworm>toasterboy: Does debian show anything that says that the device is recgonized?
13:23<toasterboy>yeah. it sees the device.
13:24<Graveworm>I suppose you use a X server? Which kind?
13:24<toasterboy>i was able to "configure" it with jsconfigure, but i don't know what that did exactly. i still cant use the device in my game. xorg - gnome
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13:24<toasterboy>i think this is just a problem with the game. it worked with another one so it's not the os.
13:25<Graveworm>Too bad...I have some exoplanation for kde ;)...
13:26<Graveworm>So you can "use" it under gnome while you are configure the buttons or somethin?
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13:26<toasterboy>and i can play one game but not another.
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13:26<toasterboy>i'm sure it's the game that needs to be configured.
13:26<toasterboy>btw. is there any way to remove gnome-games without removing gnome?
13:26<Graveworm>Hm... Then it should really be a problem with that game.
13:27<Graveworm>Should be? Just deselect the game?
13:27<Graveworm>Sorry, but I don't know much about gaming ;)... Which game?
13:29<toasterboy>there is a package called gnome games. solitaire sudoku, etc. it came default when i installed gnome. but i want it removed.
13:30<Graveworm>What happens if you deselect it? Will apt/aptitude also delete other gnome related stuff?
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13:33<toasterboy>it will remove gnome itself
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13:35<Graveworm>Hmm... How did you install gnome? I usually only install the base packages and select anything that I want additionally by explizit selecting it. Which package manager you use?
13:35<toasterboy>i believe i installed gnome vie "apt-get install gnome"
13:35<Graveworm>There you can select packages as manually installed, too?
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13:36<Graveworm>What happens if you set the gnome-games package as manually installed?
13:37<toasterboy>dunno. how do i do that?
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13:39<Graveworm>I don't know about synaptic but with aptitude you can just select a package as manually installed if it has the mark that it was installed automatically.
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13:44<deejoe__>huh. so, the kernel package I have installed depends on an initramfs package, which depends on busybox. I try to install busybox-static, which conflicts with busybox but apparently doesn't satisfy the initramfs dependency. So, aptitude wants to remove initramfs and my kernel. Is this a bug in the busybox-static package?
13:45<deejoe__>or rather, in the initramfs package, maybe?
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13:45<deejoe__>or in, something . . ?
13:45*deejoe__ waves his hands
13:46<Graveworm>toasterboy: What does synaptic exactly want to remove beside gnome-games? gnome-desktop?
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13:49<toasterboy>just a sec
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13:51<toasterboy>i believe i went removed it yesterday and found myself without a WM
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13:57<toasterboy>ok. i cant seem to find a files location on my disk. i can run the executable from the console, but a search doesn't turn up any results.
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14:02<Graveworm>toasterboy: Is that the only reference to gnome? Or is ther also a "base" package or something? I just read about that ubuntu also suggest to delete gnome-desktop but this is only a virtual package.
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14:04<toasterboy>that's the only reference to gnome. should i have just ran "apt-get install gnome-base" as opposed to "apt-get install gnome"
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14:05<keratacon>so what's the deal with ascii keys on some wireless networks? that is, why can't I seem to get those keys to be accepted when they work fine for the commercial OSes?
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14:08<matth_>hi there
14:08<Graveworm>toasterboy: Erm... I don't want to be responsible if you brake your system ;).... Maybe it's worth a try. But I think that apt should complain about a allready installed gnome.
14:09<matth_>did anyone notice on sid a deadloop with aptitude safe-upgrade trying to "resolve dependencies" and eat all ram+swap after some time ?
14:09<matth_>any workaround ?
14:10<dondelelcaro>matth_: nope
14:10<keratacon>toasterboy: I showed up late. What are you trying to do? Install gnome to a nongraphical system?
14:10<matth_>known problem ?
14:11<dondelelcaro>matth_: not to my knowledge; there are no bugs filed about against aptitude, and I've never seen it.
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14:11<matth_>mmh I didn't try apt-get upgrade, seems to be fine with it. At least it goes to the step where it download packages
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14:12<matth_>dondelelcaro: yup the dep problem is probably specific to my system but that kind of deadloop+ressource eating doesn't look very sane
14:12<dondelelcaro>matth_: well, it can happen if you ask it to search hard for a solution
14:13<toasterboy>no. i already have gnome installed. i installed it last night. BUT it came with gnome-games which i want to remove. when i try to remove gnome-games synaptic tells me that gnome will be removed as well. i had gnome installed in the beginning, then i tried to remove gnome-games and it took gnome with it. that's why i was reinstalling last night.
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14:13<dondelelcaro>matth_: since the search tree for solutions can get really big, really fast.
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14:13<matth_>well I just ask it to "safe-upgrade", I actually don't know what it does with the "safe", apt-get seems to handle that better with my case
14:13<matth_>dondelelcaro: ack
14:13<dondelelcaro>matth_: but if you can reproduce it reliably, please file a bug
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14:14<matth_>I'll be glad to
14:14<keratacon>hmmmm... the canned advice I would give is if you aren't running out of hard drive space, just remove the shortcut to the games and pretend they don't exist.
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14:15<keratacon>but that's not advice i myself would follow. i understand the pain of having useless things on your harddrive.
14:15<toasterboy>does gnome-base come with games installed by default?
14:16<keratacon>i don't think so. gnome-base is more than just the bare minimum to run gnome, but i don't think it has a whole bunch of misc. apps.
14:16<personman>about a week ago I updated some packages related to epiphany, I run Testing with some packages from experimental (like KDE4) and aptitude spits up all sorts of errors now, won;t allow me to remove any of the problem packages...any else get this or know what I can do about it?
14:17<personman>previously it was running fine
14:19<personman>I'll take the silence as "hmmm...your screwed dude" hehe
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14:21<toasterboy>it seems i don't have an option to install gnome-base. that's wierd
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14:22<keratacon>desktop-base is the meta-package for the basic debian gui install
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14:23<personman>eh, i was probably due for a reinstall anyway
14:24<toasterboy>keratacon. i see
14:25<keratacon>toasterboy, you know about the -s option for apt-get, right? it's an easy way to preview what's going to be installed on your system before you install a package with a lot of dependencies.
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14:30<personman>hmm I'm trying to reinstall the broken packages, and then i'll try removing them again (killing time while 5 beta 2 downloads heh
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14:31<toasterboy>is there any way to show video previews in nautilus?
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14:34<Phoenix_the_II>anyone got experience with SDL && OSS4?
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14:35<gpb>is there some unofficial repo for firefox/iceweasel 3?
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14:35<panthera>why unofficial? it's in debian.
14:36<Phoenix_the_II>firefox 3 should be in sid
14:36<panthera>s/should be/is/
14:36<Phoenix_the_II>under firefox-3.0
14:36<Phoenix_the_II>if i recall :P
14:36<gpb>i mean for lenny :)
14:36<Phoenix_the_II>but you need to upgrade libc6
14:36<Phoenix_the_II>lenny == sid?
14:36<panthera>gpb: pin the package from sid.
14:36<gpb>hmmm, ok
14:36<Phoenix_the_II>or was lenny unstable? :o
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14:37<gpb>how long is it in sid already?
14:37<panthera>gpb: read
14:37<Phoenix_the_II>sid was experiemental
14:38<panthera>Phoenix_the_II: no hard feelings, but how about not answering questions if you have no clue about the answer yourself?
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14:38<Phoenix_the_II>Errr, I've been using debian for like 4-6 years?
14:38<Phoenix_the_II>i just always confuse the names
14:38<Phoenix_the_II>as i don't use the names
14:39<Phoenix_the_II>always stable/unstable/testing/expir...
14:39<Phoenix_the_II>makes more sense :p
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14:39<Phoenix_the_II>so panthera: no hard feelings, but how about not judging people when you do not know them?
14:39<gpb_>what dows "tesig status" there mean?
14:39<personman>and also screw disney and pixar :b
14:40<panthera>Phoenix_the_II: i don't need to know it. i just see you're giving wrong/confusing answers.
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14:43<toasterboy>hey. what package would this error message be referencing?
14:43<toasterboy>"/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.a: No such file or directory"
14:43<toasterboy>You need the X header
14:43<toasterboy>files and libraries for this.
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14:53<toasterboy>x headers and libraries?
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14:54<mrbrown>hi all
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14:55<BigM>is there anybody that is so gentle to help me with an amazing problem with an atheros pci wifi card?
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14:57<disposable>dondelelcaro: the answer to the question you asked me 21 hours ago is - i'm pinging them by name.
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14:57<dondelelcaro>disposable: then it's most likely your nameserver that is slow resolving the names
14:57<AHA_>is this channel logged publically anywhere?
14:58<dondelelcaro>AHA_: it may be
14:58<dondelelcaro>there are no official public logs, but there's no way to stop people from logging it.
14:59<AHA_>does anyone happen to have the logs from when I was last here (about 2 hours ago)
14:59<disposable>dondelelcaro: well, on windows machine (even if it's running in virtualbox on the affected debian host), the ping responses appear instantly
15:00<dondelelcaro>disposable: they're likely useing different nameservers, or windows is using an internal cache
15:00<dondelelcaro>disposable: the responses should appear instantly if you're pining by number; any discrepancy between name and number times is due to name resolution
15:01<disposable>dondelelcaro: i'll test it with ip when th eproblem appears again. thank you for now
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15:10<Laeborg>NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: nastym
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15:15<personman>you know, i hate to say it, i love linux, but when installing a simple package can bork the entire system...Winblowz actually starts looking good...
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15:16<personman>not $200-$500 worth of good...
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15:16<personman>dont mind me, im just bitchy right now
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15:17<disposable>toasterboy: install 'apt-file' then run 'apt-file update' and then run 'apt-file search libX11.a'
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15:19<toasterboy>apt-file update
15:19<toasterboy>Can't get
15:19<toasterboy>Can't get
15:19<toasterboy>Can't get
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15:26<disposable>toasterboy: i have /q-ed you
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15:31<Florian15123>whats the command to start a programm on debian 4.0?
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15:31<disposable>Florian15123: ./programm
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15:32<disposable>Florian15123: that was a joke :)
15:32<Florian15123>:( ^^
15:32<Florian15123>sorry im a newb^^
15:32<witte>Florian15123: which program? mostly you can just start it form the command line by typing its name
15:32<disposable>Florian15123: if you're in teh same directory as the 'programm' binary, then this IS the way to start it
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15:33<disposable>Florian15123: otherwise, read witte's comment
15:33<witte>Florian15123: and if you have a graphical user interface, use the menu, it should be there
15:33<petterson>I'm trying to configure acess to my machine debian(etch/amd64) via ssh
15:33<petterson>I was able to configure it at my local network
15:34<petterson>but when I try to access it through the public IP I get a timeout
15:34<witte>petterson: did you install openssh-server on the server?
15:34<petterson>if I telnet the public IP at port 22 it connects (the router is forwarding to my computer via nat)
15:34<petterson>witte: yes
15:35<petterson>witte: I can access it at my local network
15:35<witte>petterson: you can try ssh -v for more information
15:35<petterson>witte: at the client ?
15:35<witte>petterson: you are not accessing it as root?
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15:35<witte>petterson: yes: ssh -v user@host
15:36<petterson>witte: debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
15:36<Florian15123>@ my problem : its an extern programm called gta sa mp i unpacked it in opt and the programm path is /opt/samp022/samp022svr
15:36<petterson>witte: that is the last info at the log
15:37<disposable>Florian15123: you need to run your sentences through ispell or something ... they're impossible to read
15:37<Florian15123>oh im sorry
15:37<witte>petterson: the server should answer something to that (debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received)
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15:38<witte>petterson: can you look at your server if something comes in?
15:38<Florian15123>its an server programm for gta san andereas multiplayer , i downloadet it and unpacked it into /opt
15:38<Florian15123>was this better?
15:38<disposable>Florian15123: but anyway, if your program is in /opt/samp022/samp022svr/program_name then you run it by typing "/opt/samp022/samp022svr/program_name" in the terminal.
15:38<petterson>witte: if I do that using my local address the server answers, but with the public address it wont
15:38<petterson>witte: how can I do that?
15:39<Florian15123>oh thanks i'll try it
15:39<disposable>Florian15123: if it doesn't run, run: "chmod ugo+x /opt/samp022/samp022svr/program_name" to make it executable.
15:39<disposable>Florian15123: and then try again
15:40<witte>petterson: you can look in /var/log/, more specifically in user.log and some other files (don't know exactly which)
15:41<disposable>Florian15123: of course you need to change the 'program_name' to your program's name (just making sure we're on the same page)
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15:41<Florian15123>hmm does not work samp022svr is the programm name . that i gave in : /opt/samp022/samp022svr but nothing happens
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15:41<Florian15123>the readme says this run> ./samp022svr &
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15:41<Florian15123>okay thanks im going to try it
15:42<witte>petterson: maybe auth.log (if you get this far), or just grep the directory on your hostname/IP
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15:42<witte>petterson: btw; if the ip works, but the name not, add the host to your /etc/hosts file
15:43<petterson>my local ip works, my public doesn't
15:43<Florian15123>hmm does not work :(
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15:43<disposable>Florian15123: what did the terminal say? just don't paste it here or you'll be kicked out if it's more than one line.
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15:44<Florian15123>nothing happended
15:44<petterson>witte: the auth.log contains: Jun 20 16:33:04 localhost sshd[18779]: Connection from port 34366
15:44<Florian15123>the said the same what i put in
15:44<Florian15123>chmod ...
15:44<disposable>Florian15123: also, if you put the '&' after the program name, it may already be running in the background
15:44<petterson>witte: but the server answers nothing
15:44<witte>petterson: that is not the normal port
15:45<Florian15123>no it doesnt run
15:45<witte>although, i also get something like that
15:45<disposable>Florian15123: do 'pidof samp022svr'
15:45<witte>petterson: but if the local ip works, and not from the public one, could it be that your router isn't sending the packages through?
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15:46<Florian15123>im going to restart the server and try again
15:46<disposable>Florian15123: did it return a number?
15:46<petterson>witte: I'm kind of dumb at network, I'll try to check that
15:46<witte>If I want to ssh to my pc's behind my router, I have to ssh to the public ip, but at the router, I need to configure it that port 22 is forwarded to the right pc
15:47<petterson>witte: I did that, I forwarded the port 8022 to the port 22 at my local computer
15:47<witte>petterson: if local works, it is not an ssh issue ;-)
15:47<petterson>witte: I tried the 8022 to be sure that my ISP wasn't blocking that port
15:47<witte>petterson: and did you ssh to port 8022?
15:47<petterson>witte: yes
15:47<petterson>witte: and if I try to telnet the port 8022 I can connect
15:48<disposable>Florian15123: this is not a windows machine, restarting it won't improve things.
15:48<witte>petterson: have a look in the logs of the router maybe?
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15:48<petterson>witte: and if I shutdown the ssh server and try again the connect with telnet, I cannot anymore
15:48<petterson>witte: will try that
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15:48<witte>petterson: i also only know what worked for me, i'm no guru :-)
15:48<petterson>witte: Jun 20 16:35:04 localhost sshd[18779]: fatal: Timeout before authentication for
15:49<disposable>Florian15123: linux does not wake up with different moods ever time you reboot
15:50<Florian15123>it returned numer 1
15:51<disposable>Florian15123: i doubt that :) only 'pidof init' returns 1
15:51<Florian15123>oh thats right moment
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15:52<disposable>Florian15123: or 'echo 1'
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15:55<personman>just curious for some opinions, if i want to use kde4, am i probably better off using ubuntu?
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15:59<dpkg>somebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>.
15:59<personman>ahh, thanks
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16:01<disposable>personman: i tried that today (from experimental sources) and ended up downloading kubuntu... not worth the trouble
16:02<personman>ok, i had it going fairly well, but i think mixing releases contributed to fubaring my package system
16:03<disposable>personman: fortunately, i did dpkg --get-selections > selection and was able to roll back
16:03<personman>the 4.082 build looks pretty nice
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16:08<petterson>witte: the problem is that I cannot test from my local network ... I ask a friend to try to connect and it works
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16:45<petterson>how do I configure sshd to enable only connections from users who have a private key supplied by me (not automatic)?
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16:46<frank>disable all other authentication methods
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16:48<petterson>frank: is it possible to ask for both?
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16:54<disposable>how do i enable dri in lenny with intel x3100? the xorg.conf is half empty with new xorg server, so i manually added Driver "intel" and Option "DRI" "true" into Device section. glxinfo still shows "direct rendering: No" what am i missing?
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16:56<mefisto>hello.. have somebody same problem as me? when i play some movie, the sound is ok, but screen is all time green..
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17:00<Tallken>mefisto: maybe it's a very agressive parental advisory
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17:00<Tallken>mefisto: try mplayer
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17:02<calestyo>Hi. Short question. I'm in a sh-skript (that will be executed from an initrd, in which udev is already running),... that script needs that an USB-stick is mounted and it's device is available via /dev/disk/by-uuid and/or /dev/disk/by-label ....
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17:02<calestyo>of course I can simply poll in a while-loop with a sleep, but is there a program for this?
17:02<calestyo>e.g. some udev_wait or so, that blocks until the device is created?
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17:03<disposable>mefisto: my one used to be blue. something to do with gl-thingy as -vo device. just had to switch to xv
17:03<disposable>mefisto: s/my/mine
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17:04<trash45>hi all, I think there is a bug on : make a search, click on the "Some" link to see the package in any repositories, and there is no result... check the URL, it is : instead of
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17:06<trash45>I don't know if there is a bugreport system for this...
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17:08<mefisto>ok.. i'll try it..
17:09<mefisto>and mplayer doesn't work because: Error opening/initializing the selected video_output (-vo) device....
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17:11<Tallken>mefisto: weird...
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17:11<Tallken>mefisto: out of ideas then...
17:12<mefisto>some other ideas?
17:13<witte>trash45: To report a problem with the web site, e-mail
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17:14<mefisto>i have this problem two days... it become after software update in synaptic..
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17:42<disposable>mefisto: read my msg! in mplayer properties use xv driver
17:43<disposable>mefisto: the default one works only with matrox cards
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17:49<disposable>mefisto: did it work? alt+f2, gmplayer, rightclick into video window, preferences, OK, video, xv, ok, alt+f4 and then try playing a film with it
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17:49<mefisto>oh.. i work..
17:49<disposable>mefisto: or gmplayer -vo xv film.avi
17:50<disposable>mefisto: now change the video output device in other players as well. and it will work everywhere
17:51<mefisto>subtitles.. is posible install other formats of encoding ... central europe 1250... ??
17:51<disposable>mefisto: hang on
17:51<mefisto>ok.. i'll try..
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17:52<disposable>mefisto: in preferences, subtitles & OSD tab, select encoding slavic central european and OK
17:53<disposable>mefisto: you will need to restart mplayer
17:53<mefisto>yes, but it show some symbols wrong...
17:54<mefisto>i restarted it..
17:54<mefisto>but still same..
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17:55<disposable>mefisto: download fonts with your desired encoding from and install them
17:55<disposable>mefisto: i think they need to go to /usr/share/mplayer/fonts or something. read the documentation
17:56<mefisto>ok.. mplayer work..
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17:57<mefisto>..but, you know, where can i change video output device in totem?
17:57<mefisto>i can't find ti in preferences..
17:58<disposable>mefisto: i'm not going to install half of gnome just to click through totem menu for you. sorry :)
17:58<mefisto>ok.. thanks for all..
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17:59<disposable>mefisto: no problem
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18:13<Azhrarn>more sites need to use SRV DNS records
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18:14<Azhrarn>I can't even find an in use example
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18:23<toasterboy>Message from syslogd@mosley at Fri Jun 20 15:22:37 2008 ...
18:23<toasterboy>mosley kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold
18:23<toasterboy>Message from syslogd@mosley at Fri Jun 20 15:22:37 2008 ...
18:23<toasterboy>mosley kernel: CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode
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18:23<toasterboy>is my computer overheating?
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18:25<chealer>toasterboy: what's the CPU's temperature?
18:25<krieba1>\join boost
18:25<toasterboy>ok. i don't have a application to monitor temp
18:25<toasterboy>or if there is one i dont' know what it is
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18:27<dpkg>i heard lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package. #linux-sensors @
18:27<compaq>Hi all, nice to be here. I have an issue with Linux. When I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, I can't configure my monitor. What if I buy a new monitor if this one breaks?
18:28<compaq>Issue with Lenny I mean verses etch
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18:29<lupine_85>mine insists it's always 40'C
18:29<lupine_85>compaq: modelines are autodetected these days
18:29<lupine_85>also, deja vu?
18:29<compaq>lupine_85, but when I change monitors, its doesn't change any modelines
18:30<lupine_85>there aren't any to change
18:31<lupine_85>it detects the right settings every time you start the X server, and you can change resolution using xrandr
18:31<compaq>lupine_85, so if I take off this 19inch dell lcd monitor, and put on an 17 hp crt, I don't have to reconfigure, except resolution, and its perfectly safe?
18:32<lupine_85>you don't need to reconfigure resolution either, realy
18:32<lupine_85>it should choose the correct/maximum supported resolution of the monitor, automagically
18:32<lupine_85>the joys of a modern X server
18:33<compaq>lupine_85, you sure? Well, maybe its was just my perception, but I could swear that the picture was better when I made the switch using etch and reconfiguring, then just lenny's auto
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18:33<lupine_85>better how?
18:33<compaq>lupine_85, I will take you word for it then. Is there a way to see, that when I switch monitor, that it is now configured for the hp
18:34<lupine_85>well, it'll talk about it in the Xorg.0.log
18:34<compaq>lupine_85, thanks
18:35<compaq>lupine_85, it never mentions dell in the log
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18:35<compaq>lupine_85, oh yeah it does, sorry
18:35<compaq>lupine_85, thanks for your help my good man
18:36<compaq>lupine_85, is there anywhere else it will talk about it?
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18:36<lupine_85>where else do you want it to?
18:37<lupine_85>stdout, I guess, if you start it manually
18:37<compaq>lupine_85, hehe, just wondering
18:37<compaq>lupine_85, The new X with auto monitor configuration is awesome
18:37<compaq>Debian rules
18:37<compaq>so when is lenny gonna be stable?
18:38<cogwheel>in september iirc
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19:23<toasterboy>i have a question about the output of a aptitude command
19:23<toasterboy>or should i use the paster?
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19:24<abrotman>either is fine
19:24<abrotman>pastebin is probably easier
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19:25<abrotman>toasterboy: okay .. and ?
19:26<toasterboy>it says i can run apt-get autoremove.
19:26<toasterboy>just making sure i won't damage my system
19:27<abrotman>it's going to remove all those packages .. are you okay with that ?
19:28<toasterboy>removing ekiga will also remove those packages or running apt-get autoremove will?
19:28<abrotman>removing gnome will remove all those packages
19:29<toasterboy>it seems i cant remove ekiga without removing gnome
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19:30<daft>Or also remove noatune from kde will trigger a autoremote question to remove kde totaly
19:30<toasterboy>does kde come bundled with all this useless software i cant remove
19:30<abrotman>toasterboy: sure you can
19:31<toasterboy>abrotman: how is that?
19:31<abrotman>toasterboy: 'gnome' is a meta package
19:31<abrotman>!install gnome
19:31<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
19:31<abrotman>if you explicitly install the things it's saying it will remove .. it won't try to remove them later
19:32<toasterboy>dunno if i'll need them for something else... that's a long list
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19:32<toasterboy>i have to kill x to remove gnome right?
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19:33<abrotman>probably a better plan
19:33<abrotman>why are you trying to remove ekiga ?
19:33<toasterboy>i'm just getting rid of useless applications.
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19:34<toasterboy>ok. is anyone running xcfe? can i use that while gnome is being uninstalled/reinstalled?
19:35<toasterboy>or do i have to kill x entirely?
19:35<daft>why not
19:35<toasterboy>just wondering. i've never used xcfe before. not even sure how to start it from the console
19:36<daft>start-xfce i tought
19:36<daft>or some thing like that
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19:36<daft>xfce-start could be
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19:38<daft>i dont have xcfe on this machine cant look it up.
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19:39<daft>or start it with g/k/xdm
19:39<toasterboy>ok. if u usually just use startx and gnome starts. i don't use /etc/init.d/gdm start. is there a way to specify that xcfe be started instead of gnome?
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19:39<toasterboy>bash: g/k/xdm: No such file or directory
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19:40<_fang>hello, after installing zsh, when i type $history, i just get the 16 previous entries, how can i get it to return me all of them?
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19:45<toasterboy>hmm. seems like it's not installed after all. synaptic has no entry for it
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19:57<toasterboy>ok. how would i go about filtering traffic on a specific port?
19:58<toasterboy>i'm using firestarter as a frontend. it doesn't seem to allow me to set something like that up. is there a better one i should be using?
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19:59<rubengonc>when you see something like "+5 new" when you "aptitude update", is there any way to check what new addictions are that?
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20:28<shze>hi! i try to install asian, cyrillic etc fonts, and found several ttf-* and xfonts-*. which of those do i need? what's the difference between them?
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20:50<toasterboy>so i uninstalled gnome. then i installed it again. i had my nvidia drivers installed prior to removal. now they don't seem to be installed correctly. is this just a matter of reinstalling them?
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20:52<rubengonc>toasterboy, it wont make any bad
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20:54<toasterboy> joy2key
20:54<toasterboy>joy2key - reads joystick status and dispatches keyboard events
20:54<toasterboy>By Peter Amstutz (
20:54<toasterboy>This is free software under the GNU General Public License (GPL v2)
20:54<toasterboy> (see COPYING in the joy2key archive)
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20:54<toasterboy>Error opening /dev/js0!
20:54<toasterboy>Are you sure you have joystick support in your kernel?
20:54<toasterboy>sorry. i forgot about that
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20:57<davi>make-kpkg is not able to compile 2.6.25.x kernels?
20:57<toasterboy>the device is actually /dev/input/js0 but i'm not sure where to change that variable. it's just a executable
20:58<abrotman>davi: BTS say anything ?
20:58<davi>abrotman, this, but I think it is old
20:58<rubengonc>toasterboy, ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0
20:59<abrotman>davi: yeah .. pretty old
20:59<shze>davi: i can compile 2.6.25.x, so it should work
20:59<davi>abrotman, I have installed kernel-source, which provides make-kpkg, from Debian sid, but it fails.
20:59<abrotman>shze: with kernel-package ?
20:59<davi>kernel-package (11.001-0.1)
20:59<shze>abrotman: kernel-package/testing uptodate 11.001-0.1
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21:00<davi>I have checked too with 10.0xx from Debian etch.
21:01<davi>Note I am enabling the new Xen feature on kernel.
21:01<davi>added since 2.6.25
21:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:02<shze>davi: i started from the debian unstable kernel config for .25 and modified it, but i dont think i've xen enabled.
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21:03<davi>thanks for the feedback shze
21:04<shze>davi: np
21:04<davi>The output of my compilation is this:
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21:04<davi> Note the: linux-2.6.25.y/arch/xen/Makefile: No such file or directory
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21:05<davi>Should I do: make ; make install
21:05<davi>and go.
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21:06<toasterboy>rubengonc: yeah. thanks
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21:07<Laeborg>every clocks on my system except the one in the right corner is 2 hours behind
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21:07<rubengonc>toasterboy, you can add a script to do that every boot
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21:10<sark>Hello everyone. Can anyone reccomend a good, reliable file manager for X? I rather like the file manager in IRIX, is there something similar available in Linux?
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21:12<toasterboy>rubengonc: in init.d?
21:12<davi>sark, konqueror
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21:12<rubengonc>toasterboy, yeah
21:13<sark>I've had issues with Konqueror. For one, it's awful big, and for two, it doesn't seem to play well with WindowMaker
21:13<sark>(and, it's ugly <grin>)
21:13<rubengonc>sark, have a look on rox-filer
21:14<davi>abrotman, I am compiling the kernel just with make. Is there any guide to install it, or I should just run "make install"?
21:14<felipe1982>I've just installed etch, and I cannot get X to load. I used all default settings, and used CD1 to install Default Desktop. Is there someone that can help?
21:14<rubengonc>sark, or maybe thunar
21:14<sark>Hmm, I haven't played much with that one. I have been using dfm, I kinda like it, but its a bit lacking in compatibility.
21:14<craigevil>sark: pcmanfm, rox-filer, mc
21:14<sark>Does rox-filer support desktop icons?
21:14<rubengonc>felipe1982, try to use "X -configure"
21:15<abrotman>!kp mantra
21:15<dpkg>i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
21:15<rubengonc>felipe1982, it will create a xorg.conf file for you
21:15<abrotman>felipe1982: how did you install X ?
21:15<abrotman>eh .. nevermind
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21:15<felipe1982>i tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' but no dice
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21:15<felipe1982>"no screens found" error
21:16<davi>abrotman, make-kpkg does not work when you select the new Xen feature added on 2.6.25.x
21:16<felipe1982>I've used debian before on other machines, and plenty of other distros. First time i get this strange one
21:16<abrotman>davi: so leave it out
21:16<abrotman>davi: otherwise .. build it like normal
21:16<abrotman>davi: maybe file a bug ?
21:17<rubengonc>felipe1982, X -configure should do it
21:17<felipe1982>i'll try. gotta reboot. brb
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21:17<davi>abrotman, OK, so I will build it as normal. Yes, I should fill a bug
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21:18<sark>playing with those other file managers now... Another question, how can I adjust font sizes within X applications?
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21:18<sark>For example, in the configuration window for dfm, the text is too big to fit well, and it gets cut off
21:18<sark>I have noticed similar things in xcdroast
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21:19<keith>Etch. How do I search for a font style in the sources list.
21:19<abrotman>use apt-file ?
21:20<rubengonc>sark, rox-filer supports desktop icons yes
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21:21<felipe1982>hi again. I tried "X-configure" it is not an avaialble option
21:21<felipe1982>(no quotes)
21:22<felipe1982>(as root)
21:22<rubengonc>felipe1982, X -configure
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21:23<rubengonc>space after X
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21:23<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
21:24<rubengonc>abrotman, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg never worked for me and it seems it doesnt work for him either
21:25<abrotman>you didn't ask him any other questions .. did you think that maybe his card isn't even supported ?
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21:26<abrotman>felipe1982: what is your card? and what driver are you trying to use?
21:26<rubengonc>abrotman, X -configure works most of the times, if it doesnt then we will see
21:26<abrotman>and drxx works most of the time
21:27<felipe1982>X -configure made a new file. It said type "X -config /root/". THe screen flashed and came back to terminal
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21:27<rubengonc>felipe1982, yeah
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21:27<felipe1982>fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices ( in this case I've got mouse errors, which I did not have before)
21:27<rubengonc>try that to see if it works
21:28<felipe1982>my card is nvidia 8600 (using nv driver for the time being)
21:28<abrotman>not supported
21:28<abrotman>beyond what are apparently other problems
21:28<abrotman>felipe1982: try the vesa driver
21:28<felipe1982>just edit xorg.conf in vim and use :s/nv/vesa/g ??
21:28<abrotman>try it
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21:31<felipe1982>tried replacing "nv" with vesa and tried "startx" and I got (EE) VESA (0): vm86() syscall generatied signal 4. (EE) Screen(s) found, but non have a usable configuration Fatal server error: no screens found XIO: fata IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0" after 0 requests (blah...blah)
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21:31<felipe1982>ok wait! something happened when I typed: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
21:32<felipe1982>i got a GDM login screen
21:32<felipe1982>Will vesa still allow me 1680 X 1050 res? Or do I need prop. [official] nvidia driver?
21:32<rubengonc>felipe1982, it will be better to install them anyway
21:32<rubengonc>vesa is a very generic driver
21:32<abrotman>felipe1982: heck no
21:33<felipe1982>heck no meaning vesa won't do 1680 X 1050, right?
21:33<abrotman>and i doubt the nvidia drivers in etch support 8xxx
21:33<felipe1982>i can grab them from lenny, no?
21:33<rubengonc>felipe1982, yes
21:33<felipe1982>rubengonc: which Q are you answering?
21:33<rubengonc>info in thw wiki
21:34<abrotman>nvidia drivers aren't currently in lenny
21:34<rubengonc>felipe1982, you can grab them from lenny
21:34<felipe1982>abrotman: oh. i see
21:34<rubengonc>abrotman, yeah sorry
21:34<abrotman>too bad pdo is toast .. you could see if bpo has them
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21:34<felipe1982_AFK>thanks for you help. i've gotta run. but I'll come back. Thanks!!!!
21:34<abrotman>felipe1982_AFK: try first
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21:38<rubengonc>abrotman, talking about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:38<rubengonc>here are the entries it creates for me
21:39<abrotman>rubengonc: in lenny?
21:39<rubengonc>abrotman, yes
21:39<abrotman>known bug
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21:39<abrotman>something about the debconf stuff for the emulate3 is missing .. so it freaks out .. and does that
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21:43<toasterboy>according to this i need to have qt-x11-free installed. am i reading that right?
21:43<craigevil>need to have for what?
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21:44<toasterboy>um, compiling qjoypad
21:45<toasterboy>*installing qjoypad
21:45<toasterboy>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of qjoypad:
21:45<toasterboy> qjoypad depends on libqt3c102-mt; however:
21:45<toasterboy> Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
21:45<dpkg>i haven't a clue, toasterboy
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21:47<craigevil>apt-get install libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev
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21:49<toasterboy>the installer still returns the same error message
21:49<toasterboy>unmet dependency
21:50<rubengonc>toasterboy, try to install it from source
21:50<sark>good night everybody.
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21:50<qq>apt-get install libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev libqt3c102-mt
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21:51<toasterboy>qq: nope
21:51<qq>apt-get install libqt3*
21:52<rubengonc>toasterboy, the .deb for qjoypad seems a little old...
21:52<toasterboy>should i use source?
21:52<toasterboy>*compile from source?
21:53<rubengonc>at least you can try
21:53<toasterboy>would it make a difference?
21:53<qq>in flood ?
21:54<rubengonc>I think that libqt3c102-mt is actually libqt3-mt
21:54<rubengonc>but as the .deb is old, it still depends on it
21:55<rubengonc>maybe if you try to compile from source, it will ink to the correct libs
21:55<toasterboy>yeah. i'm compiling now.,
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21:57<toasterboy>Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
21:57<toasterboy>X Error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) 2
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21:58<rubengonc>running as root?
21:58<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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21:59<toasterboy>rubengonc: yes running as root
21:59<rubengonc>toasterboy, try as user
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22:06<toasterboy>it's 93 degrees!
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22:16<timmy_boy>What font is that on with the penguin picture at the top left?
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22:57<latitude>cheers toasterboy
22:58<toasterboy>ok. i got this same message with two different applications
22:58<RIVE>Hello toasterboy.
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23:20<toasterboy>CPU1: Temperature above threshold
23:20<toasterboy>does that sound seriouse to you?
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23:33<tamer>i am a new user with debian
23:33<tamer>need some help
23:33<tamer>anyone here can help
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23:36<toasterboy>back again. is there any way to enable thumbnails of video in nautilus?
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23:37<blarson>!tell tamer about ask
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23:44<toasterboy>what does it mean when a package is set to manual install? its' a dependency and i cant seem to get it to install
23:47<Jflesch>toasterboy: it just means it will never be removed when you use apt-get autoremove
23:48<toasterboy>ok. but i need to install it.
23:48<toasterboy>or is it already installed
23:48<Jflesch>it's probably already installed
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23:53<Zeroyez>I keep trying to install the netinst debian etch amd64 distro on one of my computers, but every time I install I have to first run install irqpoll (because it fails without it, no idea why), then finally when it's all finished it sets my boot options completely wrong
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23:54<Zeroyez>like instead of booting with hda it boots hde and then I get stuck on waiting for root file system for 2 minutes and it never boots
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23:55<Zeroyez>grr @ part on right click in gaim
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23:59<enouf>Zeroyez: see if something like pci=irqroute helps instead, also try pci=nommconf
23:59<enouf>Zeroyez: buggy BIOSes are a dime a dozen
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