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00:00<lucho0>buenas noches!
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00:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>hmm, I want to repeat an action in a bash script, but I made a recursive script and that spawned about 1000-3000 bashes which I all killed, any suggestions to do the same thing but without all the bash?
00:12<blarson>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: why not a while loop?
00:13<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>blarson: I only know C/C++, Pascal and Java while loops
00:14<blarson>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: man bash
00:14<Hideo>my brain never works well with recursive
00:14*GhostlyDeath|Laptop bashes man
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00:22<Guest1558>can you open zip files in ubuntu?
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00:24<Hideo>patient fella
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01:22<dpkg>[dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at, the worst company you could ever do business with, crap,,
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01:28<tenzind>hi .. am trying to install Debian on a Poweredge 4400. A recent weekly build lenny iso could detect the hard disk. But when i boot after installation, I get this error saying /dev/sda1 was not found. What could the problem be?
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01:51<niru>I have got a file named init
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01:52<niru>and the mime type is application/octet-stream
01:52<niru>how to view the contents of the file
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02:05<Supaplex>niru: are you losing to peer pressure? :) 03:05 -!- niru [~niru@] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
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02:05<Supaplex>nm :)
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02:06<Supaplex>niru: are you losing to peer pressure? :) 03:05 -!- niru [~niru@] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:06<niru>Supaplex, I have some network problem
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02:06<Supaplex>that's apparent.
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02:10<Zoup>do you know any Webmin like web application which has debian package ?
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02:12<jm_>!control panel
02:12<blarson>Zoup: webmin was removed from debian for many security holes.
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02:12<jm_>!free whcp
02:12<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.
02:12<jm_>check on those
02:12<jm_>at least some of them are in Debian IIRC
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02:14<xrcode>i had that problem last year
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02:14<tenzind>xrcode: have you documented your solution anywhere??
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02:14<xrcode>when your done ur install specify /dev/hda as your grub location
02:14<xrcode>its just grub
02:14<xrcode>dont let grub try to use /sda
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02:15<tenzind>ohh.. but how do I specify that to grub during installation?
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02:17<tenzind>tubb: do I have to boot from the first CD once the installation is over and then grub-install on /dev/hda?
02:17<tubb>no you can do it towards the end of the install
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02:18<tubb>if you already have installed... you could try that
02:18<tenzind>tubb: ok .. will try that ... and i will get back to you later .. and thanks
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02:27<hachi>while in X an `ssh-agent -L` shows no comment (filename) for the keys added, and also lists my keys twice
02:28<hachi>however, from the main console the comments work fine, and the key only shows up once
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02:28<SAN>Hi friends , I am doing cluster and i selected the open source package heartbeat. please tell me , whether i choosed the correct one or anything is there related to do cluster in Debian
02:28<hachi>anyone know why this might be?
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02:30<SAN>anyone knows about cluster?
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02:32<hachi>anyone on a testing debian box with X running, ssh agent, and loaded keys?
02:33<hachi>does `ssh-agent -L` yield the key comments field?
02:34<Baethan>how do I use a different port for sshd?
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02:35<hollo>hi.. do anyone know if i can read a ms exchange calendar 2007 by some free software
02:35<gsimmons>Bearman_: man sshd_config
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02:36<gsimmons>Baethan: Sorry, the above was for you.
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02:37<hachi>what is id_rsa.keystore?
02:37<hachi>I don't have a clue what it is, but it appears to be holding my main key unencrpyted or something?
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02:40<Baethan>gsimmons: i did configure Port 2022 but when i try ssh - I get this error message: Name or service not known
02:40<hachi>Baethan: what command are you running?
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02:40<Baethan>ssh ip:2022
02:40<hachi>manpage says that's not the syntax
02:41<hachi>man ssh
02:41<Baethan>i chk with netstat -untap and it shows as LISTEN
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02:43<Baethan>i see what you mean -- thanks!
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02:45<SAN>Hi friends , I am doing cluster and i selected the open source package heartbeat. please tell me , whether i choosed the correct one or anything is there related to do cluster in Debian
02:46<hachi>heartbeat works great for what it does
02:46<hachi>but I would hardly call heartbeat clustering
02:46<hachi>I just call it failover
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02:47<lupine>SAN: my company do clusters. I *think* they use Debian in them
02:48<lupine>since I only started today, I can hardly tell you the ins and outs of them though :D
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02:49<SAN>ok <lupine>
02:50<tubb>i wonder if i actually fixed my connect problem
02:50<lupine>SAN: they use tools, by the looks of it
02:50<SAN>but i want to know which package is suited for cluster
02:50<SAN>ok , thank you
02:50<hachi>asking for packages suited for 'cluster' is like asking what packages are suited for blue computers
02:51<hachi>okay... maybe it's not
02:51<hachi>but it makes as much sense in my mind
02:51<SAN>i am also refer that site and it is for Linux virtual server only
02:51<lupine>not exactly
02:51<lupine>it's like LVM for dedicated machines
02:51<lupine>(well, more like RAID, maybe?)
02:51<hachi>I use heartbeat... I use it quite a bit
02:51<SAN>for clustering i refer Linux-ha site , this is open source
02:51<hachi>I don't call it clustering
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02:52<hachi>and clustering is an open ended concept
02:52<tubb>its not
02:52<tubb>its hot failover
02:52<hachi>you want application cluster, or filesystem clustering
02:52<hachi>or maybe you want a multi-master cluster
02:52<hachi>which is perfecly doable in situations
02:52<lupine> <-- what we do. and i'm not trying to sell it, just showing an example :)
02:52<SAN>ok i will see
02:53<tubb>i cant figure out why i keep dropping my connects
02:53<hachi>or maybe you want to do discrete mathematics clustering... like a beowulf cluster
02:53<tubb>while i think i know why, just not how to fix it
02:53<hachi>lupine: I'm one of your customers
02:53<lupine>hachi: awesome :) I just started yesterday
02:53<SAN>no , i am grouping the systems for Load balancing and high availability
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02:54<lupine>SAN: yep, lvs is probably your cup of tea then. or this heartbeat thing. hardly my area of expertise, though
02:55*lupine finds creating a virtual server out of a multi-homed VPS setup to be a fascinating approach, actually
02:56<lupine>wonder who thought that up
02:56<SAN>i just club the clustering technologies like storage cluster by DRBD , High avilability from heartbeat, Load balance from ldirectord
02:56<Sean>Hey I've got the following Problem using Bind... We use the Forwarding domain and as NS now when ever I do a NSlookup on, the NS will reply that he cant resolve Can anyone help me please?
02:56<SAN>is it correct
02:57<lupine>can't see why not
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02:57<lupine>*nix is all about putting little things together to make big things :)
02:59<SAN>ok tell me , whether it fullfill my cluster architecture , even it is less
03:02<lupine>I honestly don't know
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03:04<SAN><lupine> ok
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03:09<ganes>tell me how to install the scanner drivers in debioan
03:10<SAN>hey ganes , try in debian site u find lot of things
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03:10<ganes>send some links to me
03:11<ganes>SAN, send some links to me ., i am searching in google i am finding any appropriate page
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03:26<hachi>anyone here running debian testing with network manager, gnome keyring, and ssh-agent and have some keys loaded?
03:27<hachi>or any reasonable subset of that
03:27<hachi>I'm trying to figure out where my ssh key comments are going... but it might be a gnome screwup
03:27<ganes>san i am not getting the support for the scanner HP scanjet 2410
03:27<ganes>SAN, i am not getting the support for the scanner HP scanjet 2410
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03:37<hsuj>is it just me or cryptmount is a bad joke?
03:37<gsimmons>hsuj: Well, if you tell it like that...
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03:38<hsuj>i became a lil biased after the 10th hour
03:39<hsuj>took me 20 min with cryptsetup
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03:41<Sean>Hey I've got the following Problem using Bind... We use the Forwarding domain and as NS now when ever I do a NSlookup on, the NS will reply that he cant resolve Can anyone help me please?
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03:46<hsuj>Sean: how's ur bind conf
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03:51<Sean>hsuj I'll post it in a minute
03:51<ganes>anybody knows how to give support for the hp scanjet G2410
03:51<hsuj>ganes: install windows
03:52<ganes>i am not getting the driver anyone me help how to install the driver in debian
03:52<ganes>i didnt have windows in my machine ., i am using only debian
03:53<hsuj>same here
03:54<ganes>hsuj, are you answering me
03:55<hsuj>hmm, cant help u
03:57<ganes>hsuj, then what to do
03:58<EmleyMoor>ganes: Have you googled?
03:58<ganes>hsuj, can you say onething to me .., generaaly have you install the drivers for scanner
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03:58<EmleyMoor>Does sane support it?
03:58<hachi>I'm looking for anyone running gnome-keyring and using an ssh-agent... could they please run ssh-add -L and see if their key comment comes out properly
03:58<ganes>EmleyMoor, for the last two hours i am searching in google ., but not getting
03:59<EmleyMoor>I'd try for you but I'm waiting for the computer on which I can to come ready
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04:05<hsuj>printer/scanner support is ridiculous
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04:05<EmleyMoor>hsuj: What makes you say that?
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04:10<EmleyMoor>ganes: I can't even find that model listed
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04:10<ganes>it there wait i send u the link 2 u..
04:10<EmleyMoor>What link?
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04:11<ganes>about that model
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04:11<EmleyMoor>I see a G2710 - basic support in development version
04:11<EmleyMoor>ganes: About that model and how to use it with sane?
04:12<ganes>see this link it shows the model
04:12<ganes>that is my query
04:12<EmleyMoor>Yes, it may show the model - it doesn't show whether it's supported
04:13<EmleyMoor>There is no listing at - closest is a G2710 supported in Development version
04:13<hsuj><EmleyMoor> maybe the fact that u can nvr print full resolution unless u r very* lucky
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04:14<EmleyMoor>hsuj: I've never had that problem - with various printers
04:15<hsuj>u r serious? just take a look at the hp drivers
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04:15<EmleyMoor>hsuj: For what model?
04:16<hsuj>last time i checked, there was 1 driver for 10 models
04:16<EmleyMoor>hsuj: ... and?
04:16<hsuj>with max res 600
04:16<EmleyMoor>(you're way out with that assertion)
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04:16<EmleyMoor>I need you to tell me about a particular affected model
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04:17<hsuj>i gonna have me check huh?
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04:18<EmleyMoor>hsuj: For a start, there's far more than ten models - and many are perfectly supported
04:18<hsuj>check the hp linux driver dl page
04:18<EmleyMoor> is the place to check
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04:22<pi11>Hello i guys, iam new in debian and i have quick and simple question - where i can get sources list for /etc/apt/sources.list. cose after install i have there only security updates. (iam using Debian 4.0 r3 etch).
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04:23<jm_>man sources.list has examples, there are tools to generate it for you
04:23<EmleyMoor>pi11: They're fairly trivial to add... where are you?
04:24<pi11>iam in russia =)
04:24<EmleyMoor>jm_'s advice is good
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04:24<jm_>but a bit annoying to follow in this situation - can't install packages that would generate sources.list ;)
04:24<hsuj><EmleyMoor> well if "works mostly" is acceptable to you...
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04:25<jm_>pi11: just use the ones form the man page and then try apt-spy
04:25<EmleyMoor>hsuj: I always check before choosing now - was just lucky with what I had before
04:26<hsuj>it should be manufacturer's task to develop appropriate drivers
04:26<pi11>jm_: ok. reading man sources.list right now.
04:26<EmleyMoor>hsuj: "Mostly" is better than "Partially", which is even better than Paperweight
04:27<EmleyMoor>hsuj: Yes - but they tend not to as it's only a small part of the potential market
04:27<hsuj>hence my assertion
04:27<hsuj>and i ve been around a long time
04:27<EmleyMoor>There are perfectly good free drivers for a great many printers
04:28<hsuj>don t you see the flaw in that logic?
04:28<EmleyMoor>What flaw?
04:31<lupine_work>Lexmark ~= fail a lot of the time :/
04:31<EmleyMoor>Indeed - many paperweights
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04:32<jm_>we have samsung and HP postscript lasers at work, they work fine
04:33<Baethan>ssh question: could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
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04:43<SlayerXP>Baethan: i don't think we can help, the channel mind readers are on holiday this week
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04:47<Baethan>kk -- tnx anyways
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04:47<RonLut>How can I download debian for amd 64?
04:48<jm_>with zillion download tools
04:48<lupine_work>download the amd64 CD image
04:48<RonLut>there are 21 cds..
04:48<lupine_work>grab CD1
04:48<jm_>read install guide
04:48<EmleyMoor>RonLut: If you have a network connection, CD1 will do
04:48<lupine_work>or CD1KDE if you want a KDE desktop
04:49<RonLut>EmleyMoor: so the only file I need is: debian-40r3-amd64-CD-1.iso , Right?
04:50<RonLut>thank you all :)
04:50<EmleyMoor>RonLut: Yes - you can download such as you need of the rest as and when...
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04:54<tommy84>Hello, need help with a problem, I have med some upgrades with apt-get, just following the stable branch using etch, but now there's something wrong with the dhcp-client not getting any offers or something after a reboot? Just getting.. "dhclient No DHCPOFFERS received.; dhclient No working leases in persistent database - sleeping".
04:55<EmleyMoor>tommy84: If I were you I'd check the dhcp server first
04:55<tommy84>EmleyMoor, done that, nothing wrong.. get's the IP directly from my ISP
04:55<tommy84>and nothing wrong from my ISP
04:56<EmleyMoor>Well, I can't see how a routine upgrade would cause a breakage... checked your connections?
04:57<tommy84>I've changed many different networkcards, tried different patchcables, tried another motherboard.. and so on, I'm 99% sertain it's got something to do with the debiansystem :/
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04:57<EmleyMoor>tommy84: If it was, I'm sure others would be reporting it
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04:58<tommy84>EmleyMoor, yupp, but maby I've done something.. I know some packages where held up after doing upgrades, and needed to be installed after a reboot, but didn't reboot in like 100 days, some bsd-blabla package, don't remember
04:59<tommy84>I've installed different dhcp-clients, like.. dhcp-client/dhcp-client3/dhcpcd and so on
05:00<tommy84>nothing gets better, tried debians own 2.6 -kernel, and tried my own compiled 2.6 -kernel witch has allways worked with the system
05:00<JustSoul> how to redirect all output and append to file? /somecommand &>> /some file ?
05:01<EmleyMoor>No &
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05:01<EmleyMoor>>> means redirect and append, so you're right there
05:01<JustSoul>EmleyMoor: it's only redirect stdout
05:01<JustSoul>and stderr?
05:02<EmleyMoor>Ah... add 2&>1, or 2>>somefile
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05:02<EmleyMoor>(I think that's right...
05:02<jm_>&>> works fine in zsh
05:02<tommy84>anyone have a list on the packages in debian concerning networking, witch packages is responsible for what? Like if i make a clean install, how do I know what packages that are responsible for the network?
05:02<JustSoul>like "/cmd >> /file 2>> /file"
05:02<EmleyMoor>Different files
05:03<JustSoul>if I want in one?
05:03<EmleyMoor>If same file, >> /file 2&>1
05:03<jm_>tommy84: man debtags
05:03<jm_>no it's 2>&1 >>file
05:03<EmleyMoor>Don't often have need to do it
05:03<JustSoul>jm_: thx =)
05:04<jm_>err no, EmleyMoor was right, what am I thinking
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05:05<JustSoul>thx very much, goodbye
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05:07<tommy84>EmleyMoor, well.. thanks for the help anyways :-)
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05:09<jm_>tommy84: so how exactly did you find out it's not your DHCP server at fault?
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05:19<tommy84>jm_, well.. for starters, I have another debian box, running on the same dhcp-server, and It works fine
05:19<tommy84>have four other workstations running on the same connection, works fine
05:19<jm_>tommy84: what kind of box is dhcp server?
05:20<tommy84>don't know, ISP's box :D
05:20<jm_>that doesn't make sense
05:20<tommy84>I've changed the hostname of the box, changed networkcards (several different ones)
05:20<tommy84>I've tried different linux-kernels
05:20<jm_>this is in some data center then?
05:20<tommy84>nope, at my garage
05:21<tommy84>my isp allows me 10 different public ip's
05:21<jm_>ok I see
05:21<tommy84>the network is switched, no firewall
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05:21<jm_>did you check which interface dhcp client is configured for? which interface does the card actually have?
05:21<jm_>does it even send a request?
05:22<petemc>ive never experienced an isp that gave out blocks of static addresses and used dhcp to configure them
05:22<jm_>we have such ISP here
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05:22<petemc>do you need to tell them the mac addresses of your machines or what?
05:22<jm_>let me check before I say too much :)
05:22<tommy84>well, I tries to send out dhcp-request.. that I see.. I manually run dhclient eth0 for example
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05:23<tommy84>"dhcpdiscover on eth0 to port 67 interval 8 ; no working leases in persistent database ; dhclient sleeping "
05:23<angel>como puedo encontrar un canal en español
05:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:24<tommy84>and it goes on and on and on like that
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05:24<jm_>yeah just checked, they have DHCP, and one has dynamic IP by default, but you can get static if you request it
05:25<tommy84>ok, maby my isp offers something like that too?
05:25<tommy84>but I think i've read that they dont do that
05:25<jm_>well how about answers to my questions
05:25<tommy84>strange as hell, have been trying to solve this .. searching for errors now, for 2 days
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05:26<tommy84>ok, must have missunderstood, sorry, I'll read 2 times more :-)
05:27<tommy84>"which interface does the card actually have?" what do you mean by that?
05:27<tommy84>Im seartain the card has eth0
05:28<jm_>ls /sys/class/net
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05:29<tommy84>jm_, ok.. I can't check that now, Im at work.. will be home in 30mins and I'll try that out
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05:30<jm_>tommy84: ok would be easier to work on it live
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05:30<tommy84>yupp, aggree :-)
05:30<tommy84>appriciate the help very much
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05:32<tommy84>I checked /var/dhcp/dhcp.leases.eth0 and the coorect information was there, I guess from before when it worked.. I moved dhcp.leases.* to check if dhclient created new ones, and it did, but they was empty
05:34<tommy84>I also tried running two networkcards at the same time, plugging it in to eth1, but no difference, same logoutput from dhclient
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06:39<tenzind>hi .. is there java SDK 1.5 packages for Debian in its repositories?
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06:42<themill>dpkg: tell tenzind about install java
06:42<themill>tenzind: but use the -jdk package rather than the -plugin package that dpkg told you about
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06:42<themill>nice lag :(
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06:48<tenzind>themill: i have to install apache ofbiz on a Debian server and the docs say it needs Java SDK 1.5
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06:55<maxb>tenzind: "apt-get install sun-java5-jdk"
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06:57<tenzind>maxb: thanks .. thought jdk and sdk are different stuffs :)
06:57<maxb>JDK is just a contraction of "Java SDK"
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07:11<hsuj>love my t61
07:11<hsuj>stays on 24/7
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07:38<mzhang>I have a userid 'nobody' running 'find' jobs, I never had this id (this is private pc), is this some sort of attack?
07:38<jm_>mzhang: no
07:39<mzhang>jm_: nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh
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07:40<maxb>Run "ps -efH" and observe that the jobs are being launched by cron
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07:43<bcochofel>Hi, is there any program to put all the .mp3 files in one dir with the same gain?
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07:43<jm_>mzhang: yeah that's fine
07:45<jm_>mzhang: it must be cron job - is it 6:25?
07:45<mzhang>jm_: yes, a moment ago.
07:45<meandtheshell>someone correct me if I am wrong but does not seem to be packaged yet - right? At least not with offical debian repos. Does anyone know some unofficial repos providing a .deb for openx?
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07:50<mzhang>jm_: you are right. I looked at the cron files. thanks. I was a bit worried.
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08:04*meandtheshell can't provide one but a beer for the guy who makes bug #486103 go away :)
08:05<jm_>what if it's a woman who fixes it?
08:07<meandtheshell>that would be worth at least a Martini ;)
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08:08<jm_>sounds pretty messy, libdb-dev provides libdb4.6-dev, but they both include files
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08:08<meandtheshell>yeah - the dependencies kinda go in circles ...
08:09<themill>meandtheshell: what do you want to have in the end? libdb4.6-dev and not libdb-dev
08:10<jm_>the idea probably was to have debian packages depend on libdb-dev, not on a specific version
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08:11<meandtheshell>yep, both packages try to do the same and since providing the .h file is exclusive to just one package it all blows up
08:12<themill>meandtheshell: sid?
08:12<themill>meandtheshell: seems that you have an old libdb-dev then, as that should be a virtual package
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08:14<ichdasich>hi guy
08:14<meandtheshell>well, anyone with sid and libdb-dev installed runs into this issue ... see for yourself
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08:15<jm_>themill: yeah the problem is when you upgrade with haaving the old package installed ;)
08:16<themill>jm_: quite possibly when you install the new one without upgrading the old one, actually
08:16<ichdasich>i'm running etch on one of my boxes, fully updated. after the last reboot, my md-raid5 was broken.
08:17<ichdasich>i set up the md-raid by hand, just compiling a nopaste with further information.
08:17<themill>meandtheshell: what happens if you try to (re)install both libdb-dev and libdb46-dev?
08:18<meandtheshell>themill: well, try to take a look with apt-cache rdepends resp. apt-cache depends ... as I said, those dependencies kinda go in circles
08:18<themill>meandtheshell: you might want to apt-get update before trying to do so, btw
08:18<themill>meandtheshell: you have virtual packages in there, that's not a problem. I just installed them without any problem in a clean sid chroot
08:18<meandtheshell>you mean like apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
08:19<ichdasich> <<
08:19<themill>meandtheshell: the dist-upgrade isn't necessarily required
08:19<meandtheshell>but does not hurt either ... I'll try to maybe resolve this tie ... later
08:20<themill>meandtheshell: dist-upgrade can always be a little scary, particularly with sid so many sid users don't want to do it which is why I just suggested reinstalling those packages. Good luck with it.
08:21*meandtheshell ain't scared of nothing (aside from clowns)
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08:46<aakef>Hello all.
08:47<aakef>Does anyone know why can't be resolved?
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08:51<OdyX>aakef: don't know, but can't be resolved here too
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08:53<aakef>Odyx: Yeah, I already tried several name-servers.
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08:54<OdyX>aakef: have you asked in #debian-mentors ?
08:54<aakef>Odyx: Ah, there is a #debian-mentors. Thanks! Going to ask there.
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09:53<masao>do you know how to change the interface a service is listening on?
09:53<petemc>depends on the service
09:54<masao>I have bacula-fd listening on loopback but I think I need to change to my external IP for be able to connect from a different machine
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10:04<gsimmons>masao: Edit /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf, change or comment "FDAddress" as necessary.
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10:05<fatal_>anyone good at finding pptp connection problems?
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10:08<padski>fatal_, "authentication failed"
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10:08<fatal_>followed by crap...
10:09<fatal_>instead of a proper reason...
10:09<fatal_>I'm giving the right username.. and I've quoted the backslash between domain and username...
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10:25<padski>fatal_, it does log the chap transaction down to the byte. perhaps the other end can tell you what it was expecting ?
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10:44<bluntz>hey anyone know anything about multipath gateway routing?
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10:58<EmleyMoor>In exim4 on Debian, I have written a new ACL but one part of it seems to be getting overridden - if someone tries to send mail to a non-existent user, it is rejected with "Unrouteable address", but it should say "unknown user" and do some other actions... I can't see where it's getting what it is doing from
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11:27*overlordzzzz smashes iptables
11:27*overlordzzzz smashes kicks iproute
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11:27<weasel>stop the violence or else
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11:27*overlordzzzz sets fire to his router
11:28<overlordzzzz>its not being nice to me :(
11:28<overlordzzzz>keeps dropping my connects
11:28<padski>the jimi hendrix of adsl
11:28<weasel>I like your router.
11:28<overlordzzzz>everytime the routing cache expires
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11:29<overlordzzzz>its trying to hop interfaces
11:29<overlordzzzz>damn multipath routing
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11:31<padski>overlordzzzz, what are you trying to do ? multiple nat uplnks ?
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11:32<overlordzzzz>double nat
11:32<overlordzzzz>double isp
11:33<overlordzzzz>it works... great actually.. it just seems to try to change interfaces in the middle of connections
11:33<overlordzzzz>even though im using connmark and ip rule
11:33<padski>thats the one
11:34<overlordzzzz>yeah it doesnt seem to wanna work for some reason
11:34<overlordzzzz>meanwhile i can pull all bandwidth from both connects
11:34<overlordzzzz>torrents at over 1000k/sec
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11:34<NoooBoody>Narod pomogite!!!
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11:35<overlordzzzz>its due to drop again any time hahah
11:35<NoooBoody>Vtoroj noutbook letit naproch'!
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11:37<overlordzzzz>wb fx
11:37<padski>overlordzzzz, works fine for me. did cause a credit card security team to have a small fit :-)
11:38<overlordzzzz>i might have got it
11:38<overlordzzzz>i havent got disconnected yet
11:38<fxiny>what fx is that one ?
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11:39<fxiny>overlordzzzz: ...zzztop :D
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11:42<overlordzzzz>well there goes my ghost
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11:49<fxiny>i forgot : reading today news and looking forward to ar debconf , i bet Bdale this year will talk about AdvFS :)
11:50<padski>Is AdvFS as cool as they say, there was some excited happy peeps on the fs list :-)
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11:51<fxiny>i remember Bdale talk about that ftp debian under an HP desk , nice talk
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11:52<fxiny>so i don't even look for docs but i wait for ar debconf :)
11:52<EmleyMoor>I remember Bdale from last year's Debian Day
11:52<fxiny>EmleyMoor: yes :)
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11:53<EmleyMoor>I will go to any Debian event that doesn't clash badly with something else and is nearby
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11:54<fxiny>you had one last year
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11:55<EmleyMoor>(of course, the meaning of nearby varies depending on exactly when it is, as well)
11:55<fxiny>i'll be here with enouf "streamripping" and making noise like LAST year :P
11:56<fxiny>upper room lower room ... ;)
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11:56<EmleyMoor>I was actually in Edinburgh a few days ago
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12:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:15<raap>yaniro verdugo
12:16<padski>a person ?
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12:19<Laeborg>how can i see what my sound device is (/dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1)
12:19<cahoot>Laeborg: not using alsa?
12:20<Laeborg>i am
12:20<cahoot>Laeborg: then you question is not totally relevant
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12:20<dpkg>methinks sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to
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12:21<Laeborg>nevermind ;)
12:21<cahoot>Laeborg: what is the problem?
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12:21<Laeborg>i got some problem in teamspeak 2, but it is solved now
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12:26<Laeborg>hmm one problem: When I speak in my mic, i can hear it on my headset, but people on teamspeak, skype ect can't hear me
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12:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:33<asl>haloa renzo
12:33<raap>Esto es una prueba
12:34<asl>sigamos yaniro puñal capacho
12:36<Laeborg>english in here
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12:37<debacle>Hi all, i need help with cron. I've configured my system to bounce mails to my real mail accont (using /etc/aliases). All works fine. I've then installed webalizer for analizying my squid logs. It 's executed by cron and every time it runs, it generate some studpid errors (line too long, dns entry not found and so on). Is there a way to tell cron or something to not/never mail error logs ?
12:38<debacle>fxiny: how can i do this please ?
12:38<fxiny>**** script > /dev/null 2>&1
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12:39<E0x>you can change the email where cron send it
12:39<E0x>crontab -e
12:39<sp0t>where can i find out more about packaging? i am trying to create a package for the new version of the Electric Sheep
12:39<E0x>in the top add MAILTO=""
12:39<E0x>in inside of the " you can add the email that you want
12:40*patrick would opt for fxiny's solution
12:40<fxiny>!beer patrick
12:40*dpkg pulls out an excellent Yuengling Lager for patrick
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12:41<sp0t>we are running into some problems with gconf, need more specific info
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12:42<E0x>sp0t: all about packing in debian is covert in the maintener guide
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12:44<sp0t>gconftool isn't even mentioned
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12:44<sp0t>there's a lot more to it
12:44<debacle>E0x: there is no mailto in /etc/cron.daily/webalizer file :-( see here ->
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12:45<debacle>E0x: i only want webalizer log are not mailed to me
12:46<sp0t>is there a channel for people who know about packaging?
12:46<debacle>log = logs (excuse typos)
12:46<E0x>sp0t: well i think you better expose you problem with gconftool instead of asking about packing info
12:46<E0x>debacle: ok
12:47<sp0t>you mean tell you more specifically what goes wrong? when the package is getting made on the servers the gconf database isn't there
12:48<sp0t>it makes and installs fine by hand on a local machine
12:48<E0x>what do you mean with getting made ? when you are compiling ?
12:48<E0x>maybe you neeed gconf dev libs
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12:49<E0x>apt-get install libgconf-dev
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12:49<sp0t>i mean on launchpad
12:49<debacle>fxiny: i think i can't do **** script > /dev/null 2>&1 cause the script is launched via a cycle. i this it's something like for i in /etc/cron.daily/ do; execute i ; done
12:49<maxb>However, it doesn't seem sensible to expect or require a gconf database whilst building a package
12:50<sp0t>when the software is install it needs to configure some other apps
12:50<sp0t>so we use gconf -- what would make more sense?
12:51<sp0t>we put it in install-data-local rule in the
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12:56<maxb>I may be confused, but I thought the gconf database was a per-user thing?
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12:56<sp0t2>i missed that did someone reply?
12:56<maxb>I may be confused, but I thought the gconf database was a per-user thing?
12:56<sp0t2>database is per user yes
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12:57<maxb>Then a package installation has no business going anywhere near it
12:57<bighornram>Hi, I'm attempting to configure PPP to dialup through my T-mobile cellphone. I have found many scripts but none are working for me. I can make the bluetooth connection but LCP causes dialup portion of script to fail. Question is if anyone has a suggestion how to disable LCP in PPP // and // how do I learn what my USB ports are to try and use USB for the connection?
12:57<maxb>Since packages are system-wide
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12:59<mcuenca>ai alguien?¿
12:59<sp0t2>well then when is per user installation happen?
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13:00<maxb>application runtime
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13:00<sp0t2>let me tell you more about this situation
13:00<sp0t2>the application is a screensaver
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13:01<sp0t2>the electric sheep in fact
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13:01<sp0t2>it won't get run unless the user goes into the gnome-screensaver configuration window and select it
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13:01<fxiny>debacle: quick and dirty : call it with a shell script webalizer > /dev/null 2>&1
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13:02<sp0t2>there are programs that for example, installthemselves into users menus
13:02<sp0t2>same deal
13:02<_ZeuZ_>Hey guys, for an ISP, what would you chose? HTB or CBQ?
13:03<maxb>No, programs install themselves into system default menus
13:03<patrick>bsd? :p
13:04<_ZeuZ_>patrick, If I'm asking in #debian, that's off the margin don't you think?
13:04<_ZeuZ_>I've had bad experiences with ToS and QoS using ALTq/Shaping with IPFW
13:04<_ZeuZ_>and now I'm trying tcng on etch for a 240+ terminals ISP
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13:04<_ZeuZ_>Thing is: I only have 1,5mbps to share within them, and I pretty much need to assure them what they pay me for
13:05<debacle>fxiny: ok solution accepted axept for the fact that in this way the script will be executed two times per day (first by me and second by cron cycle)
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13:05<bighornram>how do you learn the names of USB ports?
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13:06<_ZeuZ_>bighornram, come again?
13:06<debacle>bighornram: lsusb
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13:06<fxiny>debacle: why two times ? i'd move off cron.daily the real webalizeror chmod it 644 and edit a one line script to call it
13:07<bighornram>I would like to try to configure my cellphone for dialup through a usb connection, how do I learn the device name to use in the PPP script?
13:07<fxiny>s/webalizeror/webalizer or
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13:09<debacle>fxiny: ok ... thanks ! i'll do this ... even if i was looking for a more elegant way ... thanks man !
13:09<fxiny>debacle: or just mv it and run it only once by #crontab -e whenever you like it
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13:09<cahoot>bighornram: dmesg doesn't help?
13:10<fxiny>debacle: yes , is not elegant :)
13:10<debacle>anyway the important thing it to do the job !
13:10<fxiny>exactly :)
13:10<debacle>:-) thanks again !
13:10<fxiny>debacle: no porbs
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13:14<sp0t2>hm i wonder how it works currently, since you sudo make install, so even though you are root it still contacts the right gconf database and works ifne
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13:14<sp0t2>but what i am hearing is that packages cannot do anything with users
13:14<sp0t2>and the screensaver is per user
13:14<sp0t2>so a package cannot effect the screensaver
13:15<sp0t2>which would mean that the linux experience will be inferior or windows and mac
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13:15<sp0t2>surely there's a way to hack around this?
13:15<debacle>bighornram: from root: tail -f /var/log/messages then plug the phone usb cable you will see on witch linux device the phone has been connected
13:15<Nana>como vai???
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13:19<sp0t2>so is there a place where i can find out how to call gconf in the right way or place?
13:19<bighornram>debacle: thanks will try it
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13:22<sp0t2>this might help
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13:29<sp0t2>yea: dh_gconf does it
13:29<sp0t2>thanks for nothing
13:29<bighornram>debacle: I get usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 // how do I learn the device name to add to the ppp script? /dev/XXXXX ? thanks
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13:32<debacle>bighornram: in /var/log/messages you should see the device mane
13:33<debacle>bighornram: just a sec anyway
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13:37<Ikarus>Urgh, stupid, anyone working on getting a Ruby 1.8 security release ready for stable
13:37<Ikarus>this is a bit slow
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13:38<themill>Ikarus: got a CVE number? Has it been put into the BTS and has the maintainer been pinged about it?
13:38<debacle>bighornram: ls /dev/usb from root
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13:39<debacle>you should see the list of all usb devices attached to your pc
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13:41<bighornram>debacle: that gives me No such file or directory
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13:42<odlora>hi wats most view?
13:42<erasure>i'm running debian etch. i installed the latest vidalia from source, but no icon showed up in my Internet sub-menu
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13:45<odlora>which vizualizdor better?
13:46<fxiny>la roche ?
13:46<themill>Ikarus: hmm. You might want to ping the maintainer and/or security team.
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13:47<odlora>excuse. which best viewer?
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13:49<fxiny>odlora: vizualidor/viewer ? what exaclty do you want ?
13:51<fxiny>odlora: wnatching movies ? displaying images ? what debian version are you running ?
13:51<Ikarus>themill: well, someone also has posted on the security mailinglist on it, but yeah, if I hear of nothing by tomorrow I will give them another ping
13:51<odlora> displaying images
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13:53<fxiny>so install imagemagick and run display image.gif or whatever
13:54<fxiny>odlora: you running etch ?
13:54<themill>odlora: kuickshow is very good
13:54<fxiny>or qiv
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13:55<chealer_>odlora: what is your native language?
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13:56<odlora>Portugues BR
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13:56<odlora>linux 2.6.18 Kurumin
13:57<chealer>odlora: this is a Debian support channel. ask #kurumin
13:57<fxiny>kuru ?
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13:58<_ZeuZ_>How can I see what modules are loaded for video? tried lsmod | grep video but not much info was returned xD
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14:00<cahoot>video as in xorg? Xorg.0.log?
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14:01<_ZeuZ_>cahoot, no, well, actually yes, that module would do...
14:01<_ZeuZ_>thanks for the idea
14:01<_ZeuZ_>I just wanted to see how could I locate that module from command line without using xorg.conf
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14:02<not4u>do i need to install something like firestarter to configure my firewall? iptables is installed so that means that the firewall is already present, right?
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14:03<chealer>_ZeuZ_: which Debian suite do you use?
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14:04<chealer>not4u: no. yes
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14:04<_ZeuZ_>chealer, actually Lenny/SID
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14:05<N`Kr1pt>hi, when I do apt-get update on my Debian machine, it pukes errors like: stable Release.gpg
14:05<N`Kr1pt>any idea what could be wrong?
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14:06<N`Kr1pt>sorry, that error message wasn't quite complete :), it says Temporary failure resolving ''
14:08<odlora>hum should be good even!
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14:09<fxiny>N`Kr1pt: is up
14:10<odlora>try a viewer quickly as irfanview
14:10<chealer>_ZeuZ_: lspci -k
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14:10<not4u>can anyone recommend a firewall package then? i'm running kde
14:11<N`Kr1pt>fxiny, yes you're right
14:12<N`Kr1pt>I'm looking at the network/interfaces file at the moment, I gues the gateway is not correct anymore
14:12<fxiny>not4u : shorewall , read/install shorewall-doc
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14:12<_ZeuZ_>not4u, use kmyfirewall and deal with Iptables
14:12<fxiny>not4u: if you are in lenny you can try shorewall-perl
14:13<hlfshell>hey gang - i got some questions that i dont evne know how to go about answering. i appreciate any help i can get. I'm on a network that is going to require me to use DynDNS to create a hostname to allow remote connection to a computer I'm working with. what file should i look towards editing to force an IP or tell it to look for a certain hostname when it connects to the internet?
14:13<N`Kr1pt>hmz when I try, ping, it outputs ping: unknown host
14:13<_ZeuZ_>can anyone tell me how can I use sed to replace a determinated string in a file (let's call it /a/b/c.d) for another string?
14:14<fxiny>sed 's/foo/bar/'
14:15<fxiny>classic :P
14:15<not4u>nope etch
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14:16<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, a fully detailed example please? :)
14:17<N`Kr1pt>oh comon!
14:17<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: sed 's/foo/bar/' file_old > file_new or do a perl inplace : perl -i -p -e 's/foo/bar/g;' files
14:17<N`Kr1pt>resolv.conf as still set up using the nameservers of my previous internet provider
14:17<not4u>you just confused him even more
14:17<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: even better : google for "sed oneliner"
14:18<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, lovely, gonna do that
14:18<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: perl rulez ;)
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14:19<_ZeuZ_>not when you haven't got console access and you need to change stuff through webmin xD
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14:20<_ZeuZ_>sed '/baz/s/foo/bar/g'
14:20<_ZeuZ_> >>> Where do I imply the file there?
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14:21<fxiny>what's that ? : sed 's/foo/bar/' file
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14:21<fxiny>if you want global >> sed 's/foo/bar/g'
14:22<_ZeuZ_>so for example:
14:22<fxiny>get the google one liners
14:22<_ZeuZ_>sed 's/22/33/' file >>> would change 22 for 33 in file right?
14:22<fxiny>yes , only once
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14:23<fxiny> sed 's/22/33/g' all of 'em
14:23<fxiny> sed 's/22/33/2' just two
14:23<fxiny>and so on
14:23<Laeborg>hmm when i select '/dev/dsp' as my sound device in TeamSpeak 2 i been muted
14:24<fxiny>wrong >> 2 replaces the second instance
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14:25<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: sed 's/22/33/' it won't edit the file , redirect output to > new_file
14:25<_ZeuZ_>well, now that replaces it but does not save the change into the file
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14:25<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, hehe
14:25<_ZeuZ_>that was what I just posted xD
14:25<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: perl inplace does it in a go
14:26<_ZeuZ_>is there any way to replace the file directly not counting redirecting the output of sed to the input file?
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14:26<fxiny>usuallu you do for .... > $file.back && mv $file.back $file
14:27<s_i_m>_ZeuZ_, sed is a _stream_ editor :)
14:27<RonLut>I'm installing debian, and whn I try to have a guided partitioning, it says I should have 4.8 GB of swap.... I have 2GB of RAM, Is it ok or should I have other size of swap part?
14:27<fxiny>4.8G ? wt4x !
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14:29<HellDragon>RonLut: it should be fine
14:29<RonLut>It's not too much?
14:29<HellDragon>i never saw linux use more than 1gb of swap
14:29<HellDragon>but 2gb is still fine
14:29<RonLut>I have 160GB HD if it metters
14:29<chealer>RonLut: how much disk space do you intend to allocate to that install?
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14:30<fxiny>i don't think 2*RAM is correct
14:30<RonLut>chealer: 20 GB for root and home, SWAP as much as it need, and all the other space would be fat32 shared (win-lin)
14:30<Hessophanes>_ZeuZ_: sed -i ?
14:30<RonLut>chealer: or should I have root and home folders seperate?
14:31<fxiny>RonLut: i'd use a seperate home partition
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14:32<fxiny>fat32 ?
14:32<chealer>RonLut: 5 GB of swap looks reasonable unless you think you'll be a bit short on space
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14:32<fxiny>why that pathetic fs ?
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14:32<RonLut>chealer: ok thanks...
14:32<odlora>I can rename an RPM package?
14:33<RonLut>fxiny: How to make it? I want a free space to be available in linux and in windows...
14:33<_ZeuZ_>Hessophanes, to directly write the change to the file?
14:33<fxiny>RonLut: so use ntfs , linux can write and read ntfs
14:33<odlora>apt get not installing this package
14:33<RonLut>and how much do you thing I should give to every part (root, home)?
14:33<Hessophanes>"sed -i -e 'EXPR' file" will change the file in place, yes.
14:34<fxiny>RonLut: you can find windows drivers to access your linux partitions
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14:34<_ZeuZ_>Hessophanes, like: sed -i -e 's/expression/expr_to_change/' file ?
14:34<chealer>RonLut: I suggest using a single partition for both
14:35<Hessophanes>_ZeuZ_: Should work. I don't know in which version they've introduced the '-i' switch, though.
14:35<odlora>XnView-static-fc4.i386.rpm - apet get not install
14:37<RonLut>Hmm... thanks... how much space should I give to root, how much for /home, and I guess 4.8 for SWAP and all the other space as ntfs to be accessible in windows and in linux too?
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14:38<prahal>hi I cannot seem to find anything of why mono-basic was removed from new queue ... is there a ML for such anouncments ?
14:39<chealer>RonLut: I mean, I suggest using only one partition for Debian static data, containing both / and /home. its size depends on how much you intend to store in /home
14:39<s_i_m>odlora, either look for a similar package in .deb or use "alien".
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14:41<chealer>prahal: no
14:41<RonLut>chealer: is there any advantage of having seperate /home?
14:41<prahal>chealer, thanks I ll save time looking after this ...
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14:42<Aleric>I want to investigate a problem with firefox...
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14:42<Aleric>It disconnects from a server... I think it's flash :/
14:43<prahal>I though so because the blog of ftpmaster tell there where reject anouncements ... though I never saw them before so I guess it is internal between developers and ftpmasters
14:43<prahal>Aleric, try webscarab or charles
14:43<chealer>RonLut: yes, you could for example reinstall Debian by overwriting your / but keeping your /home. this would be a bit easier to do with a separate /home than if it's mixed with other stuff.
14:43<Aleric>What would be a good application to investigate the reason for the disconnection?
14:44<odlora>.rpm install for konsole?
14:45<chealer>RonLut: the main downside to separate partitions is, obviously, the risk of lacking space on one due to the share of each not matching what you expected. then you'd have to resize partitions, and this is currently far from easy.
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14:45<chealer>RonLut: (unless you have much unpartitioned space)
14:45<chealer>odlora: what?
14:46<chealer>odlora: if you don't use Debian, ask on #kurumin
14:46<odlora>this is necessary in appropriate place (file) to work with apt-get?
14:46<RonLut>chealer: hmm... ok thanks. I guess I'll make seperate /home folder, giving root 9GB, /home 11GB and the other free space as NTFS, will it work good?
14:47<chealer>odlora: do you use Debian?
14:47<odlora>down the package and leave on the desktop by example and execulto the aptget ... is right?
14:48<odlora>beginner Linux
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14:49<chealer>RonLut: just in case we misunderstand, I recommend the other way (only one partition). but yes, if you want to do that, that will work good, unless you need to resize partitions later. which Debian suite do you plan to install?
14:49<chealer>odlora: which Debian version do you use?
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14:52<odlora>as I see it?
14:52<odlora>that command in konsole?
14:53<chealer>odlora: cat /etc/debian_version
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14:53<Aleric>How can I see the messages between my PC and some server?
14:53<Aleric>I want to see the protocol that is being used
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14:53<RonLut>chealer: I will make one partition for root+/home, but how do I set the shared space for the 2 systems? I don't have NTFS option there.... And should the root folder be bootable? Thanks again
14:53<fxiny>Aleric: tcpflow ?
14:54<chealer>Aleric: when does it disconnect? when you're loading a page?
14:54<Aleric>chealer: No, after some time... I don't know why
14:54<Aleric>it's a chat box, but it uses flash I think
14:54<Aleric>yeah, it's flahs
14:55<Aleric>If I can look at the protocol, I can write my own client :/
14:55<chealer>RonLut: sorry but which Debian suite do you plan to install?
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14:56<RonLut>chealer: what do you mean by "suite"?
14:56<chealer>Aleric: OK. you can use a sniffer like wireshark.
14:57<chealer>!tell RonLut about debian suite
14:57<bosco>does anybody know how to get rid of the graphical login screen so i can login via terminal and have to press STARTX start x
14:57<fxiny>Aleric: so tcpflow is what you want > >> What use is it?
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14:59<s_i_m>bosco, one way is to uninstall all xdm, gdm, kdm whatever you have.
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14:59<bosco>s_i_m, right i dont want to mess with x though and kill it
15:00<odlora>Etch [ Kurumin 7 ]
15:01<chealer>odlora: if you use Kurumin, that's not Debian. ask for support on #kurumin
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15:01<odlora>debian 4.0
15:01<RonLut>chealer: I tried to run this in ALT+F2 but it says it's not found... if you mean what debian i'm installing it's 4.0 r3 (etch)
15:02<chealer>RonLut: yes, that's it
15:02<s_i_m>bosco, if you plan on using startx always unistalling those display managers will be the best solution anyway. That will not kill X.
15:03<chealer>RonLut: be aware that by default Debian 4 cannot really write to NTFS partitions. if you want to write to NTFS partitions, you'll need to install ntfs-3g, which is only available as a backport for etch.
15:03<bosco>s_i_m, i can look in synaptic or how else can i do it
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15:04<chealer>odlora: your distribution is *based* on Debian 4, but it is *not* Debian. ask for support from Kurumin people.
15:04<RonLut>chealer: ok... so how do I make shared space?
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15:05<RonLut>fat 32 can't be used? I tought it accessible in windows and linux..
15:05<s_i_m>bosco, better start aptitude, then find xdm (whatever) there and purge. Aptitude will tell if something is wrong with the dependencies.
15:06<s_i_m>i do not use synaptic.
15:06<odlora>oks - but I understand it, sorry
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15:09<Staale>My debian box is set up to use exim4 to send mail directly. However it is on a dynamic IP, can I set it up to use smarthost, and send via my ISP? And if yes, what do I add where (I figure it's something in /etc/exim4/conf.d/router)
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15:11<lupine>/etc/exim4/passwd.client, I believe
15:11<s_i_m>Staale, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
15:11<lupine>..or use exim4-config :)
15:12<meandtheshell1>does someone know a repo where I can get .debs for ?
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15:13<chealer>RonLut: you can use fat32
15:13<Staale>perhaps I should backup my config first
15:15<RonLut>chealer: and should the root part. be bootable?
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15:15<s_i_m>Staale, the changes get basically stored in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
15:16<s_i_m>read the comments in that file.
15:16<Staale>ok, I turned /etc into a Mercurial repository anyways - just for safety
15:16<chealer>RonLut: hum, the installer should figure that by itself
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15:17<eject_ck1>where I can get firmware for ralink wireless card
15:17<Blackhold>i've got a problem with acpi and system fan
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15:17<Staale>lupine, which package has exim4-config? exim4-config package doesn't have it :/
15:17<eject_ck1>phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware.
15:18<lupine>Staale: no clue
15:18<s_i_m>Staale, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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15:18<lupine>eject_ck1: you need the firnware
15:18<eject_ck1>lupine: yes I see
15:18<eject_ck1>where I can get it
15:18<s_i_m>exim4-config is a package, not a command
15:18<lupine>package firmware-ralink
15:18<Blackhold>could some one give me some help
15:18<lupine>in non-free, I'd guess
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15:18<Blackhold>I went to thinkpad-acpi page project
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15:19<Blackhold>and the only file to download is a patch
15:19<Blackhold>but don't know where apply this patch
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15:20<chealer>eject_ck1: which Debian suite do you use?
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15:22<chealer>RonLut: you may be able to create a NTFS partition in debian-installer. otherwise, let it unpartitioned and create it later in Windows.
15:22<chealer>eject_ck1: which Ralink chipset do you use?
15:23<chealer>Blackhold: what is your problem?
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15:24<Blackhold>chealer: since started to make hot, my computer get hot really fast
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15:24<RonLut>What should be the size of swap if root is 20GB?
15:24<Blackhold>it seems that fan don't works
15:24<ameyer>sorry about that
15:24<Blackhold>but in windows do
15:24<Blackhold>I started to investigate
15:24<RonLut>I'm making it manual ...
15:24<Blackhold>and see that fan is not fully supported feature
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15:25<Blackhold>the /proc/acpi/fan shows any file
15:25<Staale>Ok, I reconfigured exim4 to use smarthost, now I can't mail to myself on the same comp.
15:25<Blackhold>then /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZS0/cooling_mode
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15:26<Blackhold>shows me that is unsupported
15:26<Blackhold><setting not supported>
15:26<Blackhold>I read I have to apply a patch
15:27<Blackhold>and shows some kernel versions to download
15:27<eject_ck1>chealer: RT2573
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15:27<Blackhold>I downloaded thinkpad-acpi
15:28<Blackhold>for my kernel
15:28<eject_ck1>I have exactly this hardware
15:28<s_i_m>Staale, you had to choose "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" option.
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15:29<Blackhold>chealer: I run this script directly and gives me error
15:30<Blackhold>the script uses diff -git or something like this
15:30<Blackhold>but diff don't have this feature
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15:30<chealer>eject_ck1: in non-free, package firmware-ralink
15:30<Staale>s_i_m, ** F=<>: Unrouteable address - I get that error still :(
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15:31<s_i_m>Staale, try first to send a mail to "staale"
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15:31<s_i_m>without the domain
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15:32<Blackhold>did anyone had the same problem with fans and acpi?
15:32<FactTech>Total Newbie Question #1: I'm used to Ubuntu. Is there any way to disable the root account in Debian like in Ubuntu?
15:32<Staale>Oh, I get it. I used to route * to my account, but I guess I lost that now. My actual account name is not staale.
15:33<Staale>s_i_m, how do I route * to the same account?
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15:34<d0rt>FactTech, if you just install sudo and configure it properly isn't that enough?
15:34<s_i_m>Staale, you want to get all mail on that account?
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15:34<FactTech>d0rt, I'd rather disable the account completely for security reasons.
15:35<Staale>I sign up with, and get all to the same account. There is only my account really on this machine anyways
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15:35<d0rt>you could additionally disable root logins with "passwd -l root" but I'm not an ubuntu person (and so would never do that)
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15:35<d0rt>make sure you've got sudo set up the way you want it first
15:35<Blackhold>could some one to wich channel I should go to find someone that could help me please?
15:35<s_i_m>Staale, local mail can be redirected easily with /etc/aliases
15:36<stroyan>Blackhold: That "diff --git" is not a shell script. It is actually the output of "git diff". You need to apply it to the kernel source using the patch command.
15:36<s_i_m>non-local mail is a different question
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15:36<Blackhold>stroyan: I must recompile my kernel then?
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15:37<FactTech>d0rt, OK, thanks.
15:37<chealer>Blackhold: which Debian suite do you use?
15:37<stroyan>If you want to use those patches then you must recompile the kernel. I don't know if that is the best way to accomplish the effect that you really want.
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15:38<RonLut>What should be the size of swap if root is 20GB? Thanks
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15:38<FactTech>Total Newbie Question #2: I'm installing from some older CDs, which have version 4.0R0. Will I need to do anything special to upgrade to 4.0R3 other than run the online updates?
15:39<themill>FactTech: just make sure you have a working security line in your /etc/apt/sources.list (you should if the installer detected a network) and aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
15:39<FactTech>themill, Thank you.
15:39<themill>no worries
15:39<Blackhold>chealer: debian lenny
15:40<Blackhold>I tried to apply the patch that I downloaded to this .ko file
15:40<Blackhold>so that exists one ko.old
15:40<FactTech>RonLut - I think in general you want your swap to be about the same size as your physical RAM. I usually configure it to twice the size of RAM, but most people don't like that.
15:41<eject_ck1>chealer: thank you!
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15:42<RonLut>FactTech: I have 2GB of ram... 4 GB is not too much? Everyone says other things and I can't understand what should *I* do... Is too much swap can do something bad to the performance or to the ebian itself?
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15:42<RonLut>I don't have space isuue if that's the only problem
15:42<s_i_m>FactTech, just run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade after the installation.
15:43<FactTech>RonLut - Swap is the same as virtual memory under Windows. When the OS runs out of physical RAM, it uses the swap, which is very slow.
15:43<FactTech>RonLut - I would personally rather things go slow than quit, so I use a larger-than-normal amount of swap.
15:43<RonLut>FactTech, Thank you :)
15:43<FactTech>RonLut - With 2GB RAM, 2GB swap should be plenty. You probably won't use it much unless you are doing heavy server stuff.
15:44<RonLut>thank you again :)
15:44<Mr-R>just use a little more than the ram. someday you may want to try suspend to disk. :)
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15:46<FactTech>Mr-R Does suspend use swap space?
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15:46<RonLut>another 1: If I create an fat32 shared (win.-lin.) partition, it should be "primary" right? and what mount point should it have, if any?
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15:46<Mr-R>FactTech: suspend to disk, uwsusp and suspend2 do
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15:47<FactTech>Mr-R Learn something new every day! Thanks.
15:47<s_i_m>RonLut, it does not matter if it is primary or secondary, if you are not going to install there some other OS.
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15:48<s_i_m>primary or logical, sorry =)
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15:48<Dred_laptop>Hey, I am wondering how would I upgrade my new debian etch install to testing?
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15:49<RonLut>s_i_m: and what about mount point?
15:49<FactTech>RonLut I'm not too sure, but if it's for another OS, I don't think I'd use any mount point from the list in the installer. You can configure a mount point for it later.
15:49<RonLut>FactTech: thanks. :)
15:49<s_i_m>Dred_laptop, in short: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade.
15:50<Dred_laptop>what do I edit my sources.list to?
15:50<FactTech>RonLut - RE: primary and secondary partitions. If you're going to have 3 or fewer, all the partitions can be primary.
15:50<chealer>!tell Dred_laptop about e2l
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15:50<s_i_m>Dred_laptop, change etch to lenny everywere. (or stable to testing)
15:50<Dred_laptop>Okay, thanks
15:51<FactTech>RonLut - As I understand it, long ago, the max number of partitions was 4 (all primary). Later drives allowed you to set up multiple logical partitions (extended) in a single primary partition (usually the fourth one).
15:51<Dred_laptop>alrighty off it goes
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15:52<maxb_>s/Later drives/Later (BI)OSes/ I would say
15:52<Dred_laptop>ok its going hurrah
15:52<s_i_m>RonLut, you do not have to mount it during the installation. You can do it later. I mount such partitions under /mnt/<something>
15:52<Dred_laptop>thankyou s_i_m
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15:53<RonLut>FactTech: I started the writing to disk, but then it alerts me that if I won't set a mount point for the fat32 part., it will not be used at all.... what should I do?
15:53<RonLut>FactTech or s_i_m... ;)
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15:54<FactTech>RonLut - Well, you don't want it to be used by Linux at first, so that's probably OK.
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15:55<Staale>Does anyone have a good guide for how to set all incoming mail for * to go to a single user in exim4? (I think someone calls this a vanity domain)
15:55<RonLut>FactTech: oh ok... Thank you for the suppot, I'm new to all this stuff :D
15:56<s_i_m>RonLut, you can ignore that warning I believe.
15:56<s_i_m>later you will add a line to /etc/fstab
15:56<FactTech>RonLut - Once you get it up and running, you will get to learn about fstab, and you can configure it to mount automatically.
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15:57<s_i_m>chorus in action
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15:58<FactTech>RonLut - Good luck.
15:58<FactTech>Thanks all.
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16:04<RonLut>what time zone should i choose for Israel?
16:05<Azhrarn>what is your time offset from GMT?
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16:07<not4u>hey. can i stop the rpc daemon or is it needed?
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16:09<Azhrarn>not4u: most likely not needed, but it really depends on your setup
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16:09<Azhrarn>I usualyl try uninstalling portmanp/etc and see if it tries to take other stuff with it
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16:10<not4u>what does portman do?
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16:11<RonLut>I don't know what to choose in time zone... it's only for USA isn't it?
16:11<not4u>where are you?
16:12<not4u>what are your options?
16:12<not4u>btw what are you doing?
16:13<RonLut>installing debian :
16:13<chealer>not4u: do you mean portmap?
16:13<RonLut>and I have eastern, central, mountain, pacific and etc..
16:13<not4u>ONC RPC service
16:13<chealer>not4u: did you check the package description?
16:13<not4u>RonLut: those are USA options
16:13<RonLut>yea... how do I change it?
16:14<chealer>RonLut: which country did you choose?
16:14<RonLut>Israel :
16:14<chealer>RonLut: if you're sure, that's a bug
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16:15<RonLut>Now I went back to the language and country, chose Israel and not it's working...
16:17<Azhrarn>ooh, the new installer sets up ntpd
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16:23<RonLut>what is a print server?
16:24<RonLut>(and file and web servers)
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16:35<Azhrarn>argh, I want row based logging for mysql nowwwww
16:35<maxb>Is anyone aware of a "find me all the files on my system which are *not* under dpkg control" tool?
16:35<dondelelcaro>maxb: cruft
16:35<dondelelcaro>Azhrarn: if it supports triggers, you can implement it yourself
16:35<dondelelcaro>(postgresql handles this trivially)
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16:36<Azhrarn>well, we have issues now with mysql not replicating due to certain statements breaking it (infile I believe is teh main culprit)
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16:41*IronRage thinks
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16:50<RonLut>what should I do with: fatal error of no screens found :\?
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16:52<dpkg>i heard noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem.
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16:55<RonLut>(EE) is no devices found
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16:55<RonLut>dpkg-reconfigure says it's "commnad not found"
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16:56<enouf>try as root
16:56<RonLut>enouf: How do I do that? :(
16:56<enouf>RonLut: how do you become root?
16:56<gage_>hi enouf
16:56<enouf>gage_: hello
16:57<RonLut>enouf: yes..
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16:57<enouf>RonLut: one way is sudo, another is su -
16:57<enouf>are you using debian?
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16:57<enouf>not you gage_ :-P
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16:58<enouf>add a / to /join
16:58<gage_>it's for installing rtl8187 drvers under etch
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16:59<RonLut>enouf: I am using debian, just installed it... when I write sudo dpkg-reconfigure it says: "ronlut is not in the sudoers file"
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16:59<Ikarus>RonLut: use su instead
17:00<enouf>RonLut: you need to setup /etc/sudoers to use sudo
17:00<enouf>RonLut: for now, su - is fine
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17:01<gage_>Ronlut: for dpkg try dpkg-configure -a
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17:01<enouf>RonLut: add a line; ronlut ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL using visudo to /etc/sudoers as root
17:02<enouf>so, as root; "visudo /etc/sudoers" add the line; then Shift+zz to save, and q! to exit .. or :wq! IIRC
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17:03<RonLut>enouf: it says "usage:" and then all the visudo commands...
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17:05<enouf>RonLut: hrm, i forget, maybe just visudo , no filename
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17:05<kimbrel>Where should I go to get help with building a .deb?
17:06<gage_>is there a man Denis bodor
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17:09<RonLut>enouf: I can't get it working...
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17:10<enouf>RonLut: that's not useful info
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17:11<RonLut>enouf: now when I try to type "visudo" it says sudoers file is busy
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17:11<enouf>yes, you have one open
17:11<RonLut>how do I come back to it? :\
17:11<enouf>er it open
17:11<enouf>kill it
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17:12<joern>ps aux |grep visudo
17:12<joern>killall visudo
17:12<joern>killall5 visudo
17:13<kimbrel>I’m trying to build a Debian package for UC Berkeley’s Scheme interpreter. I’ve run dh_make and edited the appropriate files, and dpkg-buildpackage produces a .deb, but the .deb doesn’t work right (it installs symlinks rather than actual binaries).
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17:13<RonLut>joern: wrote killall and killall5 but still busy
17:13<enouf>does the .deb actually contain the binaries? dpkg -x it
17:15<RonLut>I'm lost...
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17:15<enouf>try ubuntu :-O
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17:16<kimbrel>enouf: No, the .deb has a symlink where the binary should be.
17:16<enouf>RonLut: there's a lock file created in /tmp IIRC, when you call visudo
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17:16<kimbrel>Points to ~kimbrel/stk/trunk/ucb-stk-1.3.5/debian/ucb-stk/usr/bin/arch/Linux/i686/stk
17:16<enouf>kimbrel: then you built the .deb wrong
17:16<kimbrel>Okay, then how do I build it right?
17:16<enouf>i don't know offhand in your case
17:16<kimbrel>The manual pages are less than clear on this.
17:17<enouf>dh_make? hrm never used it, maybe use debuild?
17:17<kimbrel>The source package is fairly standard (uses GNU autoconf, etc.) and dpkg-buildpackage didn’t spit out any errors.
17:18<kimbrel>All dh_make does is set up the debian/ directory; I ran dpkg-buildpackage to actually compile it.
17:18<RonLut>enouf: The real problem I think is the screen issue... can't I fix it without this visuo editing?
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17:18<enouf>well, if it's not debian source, it's not premade to be packaged, AFAIK
17:18<enouf>well, what about a debian/rules ?
17:18<kimbrel>debian/rules was created by dh_make — that’s what the tutorial I found said to use.
17:19<enouf>RonLut: if root; drxx should work
17:19<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
17:19<enouf>kimbrel: ok
17:19<enouf>well your irc client is spewing rectangles and funny chars
17:20<kimbrel>I have a keymap for things like curly quotes/apostrophes and long dashes.
17:20<kimbrel>Shows up correctly on my system.
17:20<dpkg>hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
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17:21<buffoon>does anybody know something like mediaportal in debian?
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17:21<RonLut>enouf: "xserver-xsorg is not installed and no info is available"
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17:22<kimbrel>Check to make sure you didn’t make a typo; it’s xserver-xorg, not xserver-xsorg.
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17:23<themill>kimbrel: dh_make is only a tool for the initial debianisation of the package. To get it all working nicely, you normally have to manually tweak debian/rules to change how it is built and perhaps manually install things from the rules there and/or use other dh_ stuff to put things in to the package. The NMG talks about this in detail.
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17:46<wd>can anyone tell what ethl no lpv6 routers present means,just ran debian over windows but wont boot,anyone help please
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17:54<c7a71k>Hi.. I'm having an issue where anytime I connect my laptop through a router.. major packets are lost. It appears my download limit gets capped at 1Mb down, whereas when it's not through the router on the same connection, I easily get 4Mb down. This is independent of which router I use, Also, my desktop (running the same OS) does not get this issue. It gets 4Mb down even through a router.. Ideas?
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17:56<jclinton>c7a71k: what NIC?
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17:57<c7a71k>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 19)
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17:58<jclinton>c7a71k: is that the r8169 driver?
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17:58<c7a71k>how might i check?
17:58<jclinton>erm.... good question
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17:58<c7a71k>r8169 is not listed in lsmod
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18:00<jclinton>c7a71k: might be yukon driver
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18:01<c7a71k>not in lsmod either
18:01<themill>c7a71k: what's lspci -nn for that device?
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18:02<MotoHoss>I think I made a mistake. what do the default/standard permissions look like in '/' for /usr and /lib and the defaults directories?
18:03<c7a71k>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvel Technology Group Ltd. 88E053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller [11ab:4362] (rev 19)
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18:04<c7a71k>/usr is drwxr-xr-x
18:04<c7a71k>/lib is the same
18:05<themill>c7a71k: the sk98lin module matches that PCIID.
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18:05<c7a71k>sk98lin is not in lsmod ..
18:05<c7a71k>is there a way to check which module is currently handling the device?
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18:06<c7a71k>also on modprobe: FATAL: sk98lin not found.
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18:08<themill>c7a71k: poke around in /sys/bus/pci/devices/<busid> and look at the driver link
18:09<themill>c7a71k: or read through dmesg carefully...
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18:09<Hessophanes>Might be the sky2 driver...
18:10<c7a71k>looks like that's it
18:10<c7a71k>but obviously there's something wrong with the way the NIC is set up ..
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18:11<c7a71k>so now my question is how can i install sk98lin and force it to use that for testing.. and also change it back in case it doesn't help?
18:11<themill>c7a71k: apparently sk98lin is old news and there's something newer and shinier than it these days
18:12<themill>c7a71k: so look at sky2 or
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18:13<c7a71k>well it appears sky2 is already being used ..
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18:13<c7a71k>i just did modprobe skge
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18:14<c7a71k>maybe it will work if i use that (instead of, or in conjunction with) sky2
18:14<c7a71k>skge is now in lsmod and was not before
18:14<c7a71k>how can I instruct the card to use skge?
18:16<lukasz>Hello, can anybody recommend me a good ide for c++? I'm on Debian Etch with fluxbox
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18:22<not4u>hi. i added a 2nd hard drive that's formatted ntfs. do i have to install ntfs drivers?
18:22<c7a71k>Probably not.
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18:23<not4u>how do i access the drive?
18:23<suiside>not4u: mount it
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18:25<c7a71k>Apparently I can blacklist sky2 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local
18:26<c7a71k>But I'd rather instruct the card to USE skge explicitly instead of blacklisting sky2.. anyone know how?
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18:28<not4u>that's what happens when i try to mount the drive
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18:29<c7a71k>Try mounting via command-line.
18:30<not4u>okk. do i create the mount point in /media or /mnt?
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18:31<c7a71k>try mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt
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18:32<not4u>wait. i mounted it. when i tried to open it in konqueror it said i dont have permission
18:32<chealer>not4u: /mnt
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18:34<kati_F>hi all
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18:37*tp123 ìàõàåò âñåì ðóêîé !
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18:37<tp123>êòî ñîáèðàåòñÿ íà linux Fest?
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18:38<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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18:46<hsuj>how long have ur kept ur laptop on max?
18:47<morphium>hsuj: 4 months
18:47<hsuj>what model?
18:47<morphium>acer extensa
18:47<hsuj>no pb?
18:47<hsuj>no noise or any prob?
18:48<morphium>the fan is a bit loud, but hey, the laptop is 3 years old
18:48<hsuj>my t61 is super quiet and i want it to stay that way
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18:54<mike_>Lenny is looking good :)
18:54<mike_>usplash included ;)
18:57<mike_>ok thanks people "0
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19:10<Kyle_Nike>so what exactly is the purpose of this room
19:11<mike_>not sure
19:11<mike_>all sleeping maybe
19:11<mike_>Or debian has no problems ;)
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19:12<morphium>mike_ the latter i guess
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19:12<mike_>etch is solid,,Lenny looks excellent
19:13<mike_>morphium: Got usplash ,nvidia etc all installed no problem
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19:16<mike_>I am looking for a lenny kde iso
19:16<mike_>my last was a net install of base ,,then apt-get install kde
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19:17<bizhan>I need to get some info on how to install and use a Graphic card on PowerPC?
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20:06<walber>good night
20:07<_ZeuZ_>Does SAMBA work without NFS modules?
20:07<walber>ltsp 5.0 on debian etch, not mount nfs
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20:07<_ZeuZ_>walber, come again?
20:08<walber>i have problem with ltsp 5 on debian etch
20:08<walber>not mount nfs
20:08<_ZeuZ_>oh, I think you misunderstood, I made that question so somebody could answer me
20:09<walber>i received this mensage nsfmount: need a path
20:10<_ZeuZ_>hmm... no can do xD
20:10<_ZeuZ_>I can't help you there mate, sorry...
20:10<walber>ok, Zeuz thanks
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20:11<renginez>may i know, whether debian terminal command has the same command as other linux distros?
20:12<nevyn>renginez: that question is a little confusing.
20:12<snogglethorpe>renginez: er, generally speaking, yes
20:12<snogglethorpe>renginez: obviously there are differences here and there
20:12<_ZeuZ_>renginez, yes, there are some Debian-specific commands and managments though, but commands from LSB (Linux Standar Base) and other packages are there for all of them
20:12<nevyn>well the basics of the shell and environment are the same package management and stuff.
20:13<nevyn>is different
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20:14<renginez>ok, i know its kinda not so nice to talk here but here goes, i would actually like to install kismet on debian, so i am not sure if it works.
20:14<renginez>you know what i am talking about besides kismet ;-)
20:14<snogglethorpe>renginez: why wouldn't it work?
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20:15<craigevil>apt-get installl kismet aricrack-ng :)
20:15<_ZeuZ_>and then do not forget to configure /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
20:15<renginez>craigevil: yeah, thats the stuff im talkin bout.... so it does work ey?
20:16<craigevil>yes, idk about etch/lenny but kismet is definitely in sid
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20:16<_ZeuZ_>craigevil, it is present on etch though not with the new core
20:16<_ZeuZ_>still he can compile it from sources
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20:17<renginez>_Zeuz_: is there any easy installation, mayb download an executable file n just install like that? i noe its sounds stupid for linux but im a noob..
20:17<renginez>what if im using sarge?
20:17<_ZeuZ_>renginez, that's windowsish...
20:17<_ZeuZ_>renginez, sarge is currently out of support as we speak
20:18<_ZeuZ_>renginez, though you can get the deb and install it with dpkg -i
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20:18<renginez>_Zeuz_: yeah, im hoping a windowsish getting an etch will be better?
20:19<_ZeuZ_>renginez, either way, it won't be that easy. Even with Gdebi it's not that easy as "double click and yay! ready to go."
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20:19<renginez>out of topic here but if u guys know it then it'll be much joyful so does kismet works in ralink chipset by any chance? i know kismac wouldnt
20:19<_ZeuZ_>having said that, it's a good idea to move from sarge, since old-stable is not supported anymore
20:19<_ZeuZ_>renginez, yes, it does and like a charm
20:20<_ZeuZ_>renginez, rt73 module for example grants you with packet injection without having to patch nything
20:20<renginez>_Zeuz_: Now we are talking. Thats the stuff im looking forward too...
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20:21<renginez>its weird that its not working on kismac but on kismet...
20:21<_ZeuZ_>renginez, want it all done for you and for Wireless auditing? go for Wifi-slax.
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20:21<_ZeuZ_>Either way you're gonna need to read and inform youself
20:22<renginez>wifi-slax is it similar to kismet?
20:22<_ZeuZ_>gosh, googling won't hurt mate
20:22<_ZeuZ_>kismet is just a piece of software.
20:23<_ZeuZ_>wifi-slax is a Linux Distro meant for (designed for) Wireless auditing
20:23<renginez>getting a wifi-slax over kismet would be better?
20:24<renginez>(meantime i am googling and chatting)
20:24*_ZeuZ_ Is about to throw a Google manual in PDF to renginez
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20:25<renginez>btw theres another distro thats mend for mac, is it the yellowdog or the yellow...watsoever? (kinda outta topic dough)
20:25<_ZeuZ_>Not for #debian
20:25<_ZeuZ_>also, are you trying to run Debian or a debian-based distro on a MAC? If so, get confy, and get to read, because most of the times, EFI support screws you
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20:27<renginez>ok, btw and so, i need to get off for while, thanks again guys....this channel does help...
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20:30<renginez>lastly, (i had actually read the manual) but it teaches me how to install mac os x then to mac os 9 and lastly to linux debian, but can i turn it another way around, to install mac os x first, then to debian and lastly to mac os 9
20:31<_ZeuZ_>Bad question that needs no answer, of course, mate... Order doesn't matter.
20:32<_ZeuZ_>As long as you cofigure bootcamp of mac os to load linux in the chain loader
20:33<renginez>okay....thanks again...u noe how it feels like to be a n00b, every question does matter...however cheers bro. so much thanks.
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20:36<renginez>yeapz late'r mate
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20:38<bizhan>question, does anyone knows how to configure a Graphic Card on PowerPC please?
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20:40<bizhan>Am I in a wrong Chat group asking above question? Please someone answer, Thanks
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20:42<linlynx6>good evening I have ubuntu on my internal Hardrive I want to install opensuse 11 on my external HD what is the proper way please
20:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:42<linlynx6>for opensuse support
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20:43<dondelelcaro>uh... we have nothing to do with opensuse either
20:43<not4u>well, you know the drill
20:43<not4u>see above
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20:44<linlynx6>ok goodnight thank you for nothing
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20:44<snogglethorpe>eh, typical ubuntu user
20:44<snogglethorpe>if he was real debian material he would have argued
20:44<not4u>says who
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20:45<stickman>i take exception to that
20:45<snogglethorpe>it's clearly written in the debian consistution
20:45<snogglethorpe>if i weren't brushing my teeth, I'd recite chapter and verse
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20:47<stevecotton>my dad's just ordered a new laptop, and chosen Ubuntu instead of Vista. Is it Ok to say that in this channel? ;-)
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20:58<Kerz>lol... well at least he didnt have to pay extra for it i guess
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21:01<snogglethorpe>stevecotton: you can talk about how your dad "enjoys using his thinly disguised cosmetic tweak of debian"
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21:08<bizhan>Could anyone answer my question on Graphic Card support please?
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21:23<stickman>anyone know anything about transcode package for lenny being gone from the debian-multimedia repo?
21:24<renginez>(i couldnt believe this, the only channel i knew it was alive is debian..) however i actually need to know what would be the minimum requirements for yellowdog 5.0.2 (i mean ram, vram, processor speed?).. i tried yellowdog channel but it was somehow down, (Not much people there dough) i would need to try asking here, if anyone knew it by chace, i know its off topic, i just need some opinion before my downloads...
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21:27<dondelelcaro>renginez: uh... just use Debian?
21:27<dondelelcaro>(why would you even *use* yellowdog?)
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21:27<renginez>well its much more simpler and its mend for mac and ppc...they said it ;-)
21:30<renginez>so...ummm anyone know whats the min. requirement for yellowdog 5.0.2? maybe those who used to own it?
21:36<dondelelcaro>renginez: uh... Debian distributes a ppc version.
21:36<dondelelcaro>(which works just as well as the i386 versions of Debian)
21:37<renginez>yeah, i know, but after installation, i had alot of problems occured, sound problems, lag, this and that yada i plan to get a more compatible version for PPC/
21:39<dondelelcaro>uh... nothing in yellowdog is going to help you with any of that.
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21:39<gsimmons>renginez: You experienced sound problems because you failed to add snd-powermac to /etc/modules.
21:40<renginez>hey gsimmons, back so soon? btw where can i get this snd-powermac? i tried the alsa, but after i restart the sound problem occurs again, it gets so sick...
21:41<CTATUK>How can I get sk98lin to be recognized by modprobe? (FATAL: Module sk98lin not found.) .. The following exist and can be successfully `insmod`d: /lib/modules/2.6.18/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko, /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko
21:42<renginez>besides, i realize sometimes it does not sleep when i close my laptop screen....
21:43<gsimmons>renginez: It's provided with the kernel. "editor /etc/modules" and add this as a new line. As explained to you previously: known PowerPC issue, not loaded by default, you need to add this to /etc/modules manually.
21:44<renginez>gsimmons: i am currently not on debian, however after im done wif the "editor /etc/modules" what should i do next?
21:46<gsimmons>renginez: There isn't anything else required.
21:47<renginez>gsimmons: so all i need is just type "editor /etc/modules/" in the terminal and thats all about it? the sound will appear every reboot? btw forgot to thank u for the wifi thing, it finally worked as u suggested me getting a ralink chipset...thanks.
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21:49<gsimmons>renginez: No, "editor /etc/modules" (no trailing slash). You need to add "snd-powermac" on a new line within this file.
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21:52<renginez>gsimmons: it'll bring me to the editor and ill just add up the snd-powermac only right? no more no less?
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21:54<gsimmons>renginez: That is correct.
21:55<renginez>gsimmons: thanks again, but bout the sleep mode?
21:55<not4u>an install i'm doing requires Gtk+ 1.2
21:55<not4u>how do i know which package to install?
21:57<gsimmons>renginez: I've no idea. Ask in #debianppc or search through the debian-powerpc mailing list archives for any similar issue reported.
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21:58<renginez>gsimmons: oh well, u helped me enough already. So ill live wif it, no big deal dough ;-)
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21:59<Fusion>i need some help w/printing from debian to a windows printer
21:59<Fusion>when i use lpadmin and smb to connect i get connection refused
22:00<Fusion>no firewall, guests enabled, and smb can see the shares
22:00<Fusion>any ideas?
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22:18<CTATUK>How can I get a custom-compiled .ko to be recognized by modprobe?
22:19<k1lumin4t1>anybody using ATI Xpress 200 on Debian Lenny? I can't get fglrx to work
22:20<CTATUK>solution invoked: cp to /lib/modules/`uname -r` && depmod -a
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22:21<renginez>btw whats the command to get option for the resolution? im stuck on 640X480....
22:21<renginez>dpkg or sumting, i forgotten
22:21<dpkg>renginez: I don't know, could you explain it?
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22:24<lauzhem_quiseng>what package do I need to install to get ifconfig?
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22:25<renginez>so anyone know how do i get more resolution options? im stuck at 640X480.....nothing to choose...
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22:25<delta3>hello reginez
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22:35<stevecotton>lauzhem_quiseng: net-tools
22:35<renginez>so anyone know how do i get more resolution options? im stuck at 640X480.....nothing to choose...
22:35<renginez>delta3: so u noe?
22:39<not4u>have you installed video drivers?
22:40<renginez>not4u: nope i haven't done that....i somehow forgotten the command for it.
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22:40<not4u>what's your graphics card?
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22:45<renginez>not4u: btw i am using ibook which runs on PPC, so its an ati radeon built in card....btw, if u noe the command it should work, i tried it last time, it just happen that i forgot the command....
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22:45<\3TATUK>How can I compile this custom kernel module?
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22:46<\3TATUK>I'm getting this: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `vmlinux', needed by `all'. Stop.
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22:51<renginez>hi, i am stuck on 640X480 resolution, how can i get rid of it? i want to change to 1028X780 resolution? is there any holes for it?
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22:52<not4u>go back to windows
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22:54<\3TATUK>man xorg.conf
22:54<renginez>yeah thats the one
22:54<gsimmons>!tell renginez -about drxx
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22:59<\3TATUK>solution invoked:
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22:59<renginez>its weird that i couldnt login as root anymore...
22:59<renginez>it says sorry
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23:03<renginez>it says (su: Authentication failure Sorry.)
23:05<gsimmons>renginez: Have you forgotten root's password?
23:06<renginez>gsimmons: i guess not....i use to have this password for login as roots, likewise i login to the desktop...
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23:09<renginez>gsimmons: weird thing is the root terminal does not appear anymore under application tab...
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23:13<lauzhem_quiseng>how do I authorize a user to run the x server
23:13<gravity>lauzhem_quiseng: You shouldn't have to, /usr/bin/X is setuid root
23:14<lauzhem_quiseng>gravity: when I run startx as non-root I get a bunch of xauth errors
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23:14<lauzhem_quiseng>then X: user not authorized to run the x server, aborting
23:14<gravity>lauzhem_quiseng: What does ls -l /usr/bin/X say?
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23:15<gravity>lauzhem_quiseng: Did you do anything weird to your X install at all? Like a custom install or something?
23:15<lauzhem_quiseng>I installed xutils and wmii before xorg itself
23:15<gravity>That shouldn't really matter
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23:16<lauzhem_quiseng>-rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7261 2007-04-08 11:26 /usr/bin/X
23:16<lauzhem_quiseng>is the output
23:17<gravity>Yeah, that's about right
23:18<lauzhem_quiseng>huh, it doesn't work as root anymore either
23:18<gravity>can you put your xauth errors in to a pastebin or something where we can look at them? Not paste in the channel though.
23:19<lauzhem_quiseng>what's a pastebin site that's lynx-friendly?
23:19<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
23:19<gravity>That'll do it
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23:20<lauzhem_quiseng>also how do you copy/paste text on the command line?
23:21<gravity>Redirect the output to a text file
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23:22<gravity>You'll probably have to redirect stderr as well, so startx > err.log 2>&1
23:23<lauzhem_quiseng>there isn't any stdout, it's all error :)
23:23<lauzhem_quiseng>bah, how do you insert the contents of a text file in vi?
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23:27<lauzhem_quiseng>'k, just made the pastebin entry
23:27<lauzhem_quiseng>xorg errors
23:28<lauzhem_quiseng>I'd paste the link but I"m not quite sure how
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23:29<gravity>All it says is "xorg errors"
23:29<gravity>That's not very useful
23:29<lauzhem_quiseng>god damnit
23:31<renginez>i think i did not install a root terminal? can i install it by any chance? help pls?
23:32<gravity>renginez: Just use a normal terminal and the su program
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23:32<not4u><----- *nix
23:32<lauzhem_quiseng>for some reason lynx won't read the file I piped the error to
23:32<lauzhem_quiseng>god knows why
23:33<renginez>yes i did the su thing,,,, the password use to be working but i get (su: Authentication failed. Sorry)
23:33<gravity>Can you maybe just say what the error is?
23:33<not4u>why are you reading an error file with lynx?
23:33<gravity>renginez: Did you change the password or anything?
23:33<gravity>assuming you're typing the root password
23:34<lauzhem_quiseng>not4u: trying to post it to a pastebin
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23:34<renginez>i don't think i change the root password, however, how can i make sure of this, incase i did sumting wrongly?
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23:35<gravity>renginez: Well, normally you'd just log in with it...
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23:36<renginez>yeah....i used my login password, and its not working either (for ur info, theres root terminal used to appear at the application tab) but now its not...?
23:36<lauzhem_quiseng>I don't understand how lynx's textinput entry works
23:37<gravity>renginez: You're typing the root password and not your user login password at "su", right?
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23:37<lauzhem_quiseng>I hit ^E^E for an editor, I get vi with a temp file, I read in the contents of my error file, save it, the text appears in the lynx window
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23:37<lauzhem_quiseng>then I try to send the thing and it says it can't open the file for reading and the form gets submitted with nothing but the title text I typed manually
23:38<renginez>yeah....the root password....(i always set the same password that i used to, whether in login or root)
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23:38<lauzhem_quiseng>what command line browsers are there apart from lynx?
23:38<not4u>install pastebinit
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23:39<not4u>it provides command line functionality with pastebin
23:39<not4u>or something...
23:39<renginez>is it possible that the command doesnt recognised symbols like (#,$,%,&,@) as passwords?
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23:39<gravity>lauzhem_quiseng: Oh, I see. Ok, you probably want to do :%! cat yourfile in vi
23:40<gravity>lauzhem_quiseng: You were editing the non-temp file with :e. Sorry about that.
23:40<stevecotton>:r <filename>
23:40<lauzhem_quiseng>I did :r
23:40<lauzhem_quiseng>not :e
23:40<gravity>Ah, stevecotton's vi-fu is better than mine
23:41<lauzhem_quiseng>I did :r
23:41<lauzhem_quiseng>the text shows up in lynx after I quit vi
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23:41<lauzhem_quiseng>but when I hit send it says Alert! File not opened for uploading, or something
23:41<lauzhem_quiseng>I just missed the error
23:42<lauzhem_quiseng>damnit I've made like 5 of those blank pastes
23:42<lauzhem_quiseng>okay, "Alert! Can't open file for uploading"
23:42<lauzhem_quiseng>and another blank paste
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23:43<stevecotton>w3m is another command-line browser
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23:44<lauzhem_quiseng>bah, I'll just type it manually
23:44<lauzhem_quiseng>it'll take less time
23:46<gsimmons>renginez: They're accepted. You appear to have forgotten - or incorrectly set - root's password on your system. This can be remedied.
23:46<gsimmons>!tell renginez -about ifrp
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23:47<lauzhem_quiseng>damnit, I typed it in manually and I got the same error
23:47<lauzhem_quiseng>I don't know what's going on with lynx
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23:50<lauzhem_quiseng>basically, when I run startx
23:50<lauzhem_quiseng>I get hostname: unknown host
23:50<lauzhem_quiseng>then "xauth:creating new authority file /home/greg/.serverauth.7539"
23:50<lauzhem_quiseng>then four lines of "xauth: error in locking authority file /home/greg/.Xauthority"
23:51<lauzhem_quiseng>then the line about X: user not authoritzed to run the X server, aborting
23:51<lauzhem_quiseng>xinit: server error
23:51<lauzhem_quiseng>the same xauth locking authority file error again
23:51<lauzhem_quiseng>then Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
23:51<lauzhem_quiseng>and back to the bash prompt
23:54<lauzhem_quiseng>so that's the error
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23:59<not4u>gsimmons: got any idea why "apt-get install glibc" would return a package not found? here is my sources.list
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