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00:03<mordy_>how do i find what graphics card i'm using and its pci address?
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00:05<mordy_>the screen is too small for all the output though - but maybe i can ssh
00:05<yury>lspci | less
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00:07<mordy_>well, i can ssh to this thing
00:07<yury>or you can use | less
00:07<yury>adn then scroll
00:07<yury>with arrow keys
00:07<mordy_>yeah, less worked :D
00:07<yury>just how new are you mordy?
00:08<mordy_>yury - just over a week
00:08<yury>so you started when you first came in here
00:08<yury>how do you like it so far?
00:08<mordy_>it's very nice
00:08<yury>you are going through a lot of work
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00:08<mordy_>very powerful, and it does what i want it to do generally :D
00:08<yury>does it?
00:09<yury>and what's that?
00:09<mordy_>yury - so far not too much - i'm just trying to install it on my computer first :(
00:09<mordy_>i also want to learn some C - and perhaps get serious
00:10<yury>well, you'll need a compiler for that
00:10<yury>aptitude install build-essential
00:10<yury>get that
00:10<yury>that will come with gcc and other stuff
00:10<yury>everything you need to compile programs
00:10<mordy_>yeah, i think i have it
00:10<qq>install anjuta
00:10<mordy_>i do
00:10<mordy_>qq: i don't want any junta here
00:10<qq> anjuta
00:10<yury>I prefer vi
00:11<mordy_>i tried kdevelop - but i think i'll just stick to a standard text editor until i get more serious
00:11<mordy_>i'm used to visual studio though
00:12<mordy_>worked mainly with VB, VBA and a bit of C# - but blah
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00:13<yury>meh, I'll jsut remove modphp, sinceI planned to anyway
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00:17<greenranch>speaking of php, anyone know of any collection of php scripts that I could study, I would like to apply php with mysql server side with xml and javascript (ajax) frontend client side
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00:18<enouf>mordy^: also install manpages-dev
00:18<qq>enouf: hehe
00:18<enouf>and devscripts if b-e didn;t pull it in
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00:21<mordy_>hmm.... it's not picking up my graphics adaptor
00:21<greenranch>mordy etch? desktop or laptop?
00:21<mordy_>yes, laptop
00:22<mordy_>etch, laptop
00:22<qq>and the graphics card ?
00:22<greenranch>mordy typically graphics chipset should be about 6 months old
00:23<mordy_>945G - it's listed in lspci - but i can't seem to get xserver to work with it
00:23<greenranch>mordy intel is in my experience very well supported
00:24<snogglethorpe>mordy_: do you have the xorg-video-intel package installed?
00:24<qq>move to lenny
00:24<snogglethorpe>mordy_: so /var/log/Xorg.log.0 should say in detail what the prb is
00:24<snogglethorpe>er, that's
00:24<mordy_>let me check that
00:25<snogglethorpe>er, that's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
00:25<snogglethorpe>mordy_: look for lines beginning with "EE"
00:26<snogglethorpe>ugh anwyay switching video back to new sytem
00:27<mordy_>"No devices detected" is the only error :(
00:28<qq>cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
00:28<qq>mordy_: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE
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00:30<mordy_>qq - cat....log -is EE "no devices detected" - driver is "i810"
00:31<qq> 945G is nvidia , ati , or ?
00:31<qq>ah intel
00:31<mordy_>qq: according to the documentation, the i810 xorg driver should work with "all 8xx and 9xx chipsets"
00:32<qq>lspci |grep VGA
00:32<yury>mordy_: wide screen?
00:32<mordy_>yury - 1024x600 - so i guess - weird "widescreen" though :|
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00:32<yury>what kindof laptop?
00:33<mordy_>msi wind :|
00:33<yury>I though those wer not out yet
00:34<yury>how is it?
00:34<Lounge>whats the greenest, treehugging, laptop out there by far?
00:34<yury>sizewise, comfortwise
00:34<mordy_>it's crap - but it was the only thing available for what i wanted - small and cheap
00:34<yury>it has a nice processor
00:35<mordy_>components are horrible, graphics is horrible, resolution is horrible
00:35<mordy_>why the hell do they put a 2.5 drive in there?
00:35<Lounge>mordy_: hows the batery life on it?
00:35<mordy_>about 1:30 hours
00:35<mordy_>haven't tested it yet
00:35<Lounge>thats very good
00:36<mordy_>i still miss my sony vgn-tx 750P - better processor, resolution, design, keyboard, etc.
00:36<mordy_>and that sony was made in 2006
00:36<Lounge>unless you buy a 3 hour batery than thats even gooder ^.^
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00:37<mordy_>lounge - my sony had an 8 hour battery :(
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00:38<mordy_>could this be of any use to me?
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00:38<Lounge>mordy_: tried one of those solar back-packs?
00:38<greenranch>still isn't the intel 945 the first to have unified shaders?
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00:38<mordy_>greenranch - i don't know - the graphics are horrible though
00:38<mordy_>at least they were on windoze - with allthe drivers loaded already
00:38<Lounge>actually i need a laptop
00:39<mordy_>VGA outlet is buggy - not clear
00:39<yury>dell promised 6 hours on this laptop
00:39<yury>I get 3
00:39<yury>this sucks
00:39<Lounge>i had one that came with windows 98 se
00:39<yury>I sort of want a sony
00:39<yury>but sony is evil
00:39<Lounge>back in the day
00:39<mordy_>last dell i had was a latitude 200, i think
00:39<yury>this is a latitude 630
00:39<greenranch>mordy_ what was the graphics on the sony?
00:39<mordy_>i915, greenranch
00:39<yury>mordy_: you have better graphics now
00:40<yury>what are you complaining bout?
00:40<mordy_>yury - i don't see it
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00:40<greenranch>I would think so also
00:40<yury>configure it correctly first
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00:41<yury>do you have...
00:41<mordy_>yeah... let me see what i can do
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00:41<mordy_>yury -got that
00:41<mordy_>maybe a dmesg?
00:41<yury>paste your Xorg.conf somewhere
00:41<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
00:42<yury>!pastebin pipe
00:42<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid.
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00:43<yury>paste bin it
00:43<xbj9000>how's that work?
00:43<yury>it use WWW:Mechanize
00:43<yury>./someprogram | pastebinit
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00:44<mordy_>it's in the respositories/
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00:44<yury>Driver "intel"
00:44<yury>to Device
00:45<yury>istead of i810
00:45<qq>yury: in etch too ?
00:45<yury>I assume so
00:45<mordy_>yury - "module does not exist"
00:45<yury>maybe just lenny
00:45<mordy_>modprobe doesn't find it either
00:45<yury>it's not a kernel module
00:45<mordy_>xorg generic intel driver is i810
00:46<yury>I guess they renamed it
00:46<yury>what do you have in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers?
00:47<yury>only i810?
00:47<yury>and some other crap
00:47<mordy_>let me see
00:47<yury>while you're at it
00:47<mordy_>hmm... maybe i'll use vesa
00:47<yury>paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well
00:47<yury>mordy_: ew
00:48<yury>you really don't want that
00:48<mordy_>hey, at least it works
00:48<yury>so does the console
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00:49<yury>anyway, paste your xorg.log
00:49<yury>the one with i810 used
00:49<mordy_>hmm.. vesa works - i'll paste the log though
00:50<yury>vesa is not accel
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00:50<yury>it is the worst you can get
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00:50<mordy_>but it's good if you just want X
00:51<mordy_>i'm still having bad graphics on the card i'm using
00:51<mordy_>ok ok i'll paste the log
00:51<yury>that's vesa for yo
00:51<greenranch>true but can use xorg and iceweasel to research and synaptic
00:51<yury>or you can use another computer
00:51<yury>and synpatic is not that great
00:51<yury>I prefet aptitude anyway
00:52<mordy_>one sec.. let me get out of this gui
00:52<greenranch>aptitude is console accessable
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00:53<yury>mordy_: also, when running with vesa, find out what you resolution actually is
00:53<yury>type xrandr
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00:53<mordy_>vesa gives 800x600
00:54<mordy_>but i know it's bigger than that since i've used windoze with 1024x600
00:54<yury>so, not even the full 1024
00:54<mordy_>i guess 1024x768 is accelerated and hence needs intel
00:54<mordy_>sorry - 1024x600
00:54<greenranch>btw I apologize x3000 is the first to use unified shaders, 965
00:56<yury>I have 965
00:56<greenranch>how is it?
00:56<yury>I think
00:56<yury>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM 4.1.3002
00:57<yury>not ass fast as I would like it
00:57<yury>but it's alright
00:57<yury>provided I don't game
00:58<yury>lspci | grep VGA
00:58<yury>try that
00:59<mordy_>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 27ae (rev 03)
00:59<mordy_> - aga
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00:59<yury>that's a 0
00:59<yury>not a 1
00:59<mordy_>change the bus address?
00:59<yury>try it
00:59<qq>put # before
01:00<yury>odd, xorg reports PCI:0:2:1
01:00<mordy_>wait- the bus address *is* :0
01:00<yury>but lspci reports PCI:0:2:0
01:00<mordy_>yury - let me do this first -
01:00<mordy_>this will shed light.. .one sec.
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01:02<yury>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
01:02<yury>that would do it
01:02<mordy_>yury - before you ask me to change it to :1 in xorg.conf - been there
01:02<yury>I guess my xorg automatically detects
01:02<yury>mordy_: and what's the error then?
01:03<mordy_>yury - no change
01:03<qq># BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
01:03<yury>the error that is
01:03<yury>actually, one sec
01:03<qq>Driver "i810"
01:04<yury>I get the same warning actually
01:04<yury>(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:02:0
01:04<yury>(WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
01:04<yury>but it resumes anyway
01:04<yury>(--) Chipset 965GM found
01:05<mordy_>(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:0) found
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01:06<yury>(--) PCI:*(0:2:0) Intel Corporation unknown chipset (0x27ae) rev 3, Mem @ 0xdfe80000/19, 0xc0000000/28, 0xdff00000/18, I/O @ 0xd0f0/3
01:06<yury>there's your problem
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01:07<mordy_>yury - from the log?
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01:07<yury>it is using the wrong device
01:07<mordy_>how do i tell it to use the correct one?
01:07<yury>good question
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01:08<yury>I do not know
01:08<mordy_>if it's "unknown" i guess it's not an X error necessarily
01:08<yury>the PCI setting in xorg should have done it
01:08<qq>mordy_: tell that to the vendor
01:08<mordy_>warranty for what?
01:09<greenranch>just a thought perhaps you could use a sidux disk to see how it is configured in sid
01:09<qq>of laptop
01:09<mordy_>qq: don't you know that computers will only refund or fix an issue if it's conflicting with the operating system *they* installed on it?
01:09<greenranch>how it will be configured with a more recent driver
01:09<qq>greenranch: has no cdrom
01:10<mordy_>greenranch: they officially market this laptop in suse as well
01:10<yury>you are missing an EndSection
01:10<yury>on your Xorg.conf for Screen
01:11<mordy_>hehe, let me fix that - i don't know why that happened - it's generated by --reconfuigure
01:11<qq>toSection "Screen"
01:12<yury>I think that was just indentation
01:12<mordy_>yury, qq - see the endsection there - maybe you can tell me which line
01:12<qq>to Section "Screen"
01:12<yury>mordy_: nvm
01:12<yury>it's jsut indentation
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01:14<mordy_>maybe i'll get the xf86-video-intel
01:14<mordy_>but how do i get it?
01:15<yury>not sure it's in etch
01:15<mordy_>maybe i'll just get it anyway
01:16<yury>trust me, you do *NOT* want to compile an X tree right now
01:16<qq>re do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:16<xbj9000>still can't get this pcmcia wifi card working in DSL in this old Toshiba
01:17<xbj9000>it lights up and the module gets loaded in cardmgr automatically, but then it says device or resource busy if I try to do anything with it
01:17<xbj9000>and doesn't show up in iwconfig or ifconfig
01:18<xbj9000>when I plug it in it goes 'beep' but then about 6 seconds later it goes 'boop'.. lol
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01:18<yury>mordy_: if the reconfigure doesn't yeild anything useful, change the device to 0:2:1
01:18<yury>and paste the error log
01:20<qq>yury: I'll disable it completlly
01:20<xbj9000>anyone have any ideas for me?
01:20<yury>(--) PCI:*(0:2:0) Intel Corporation unknown chipset (0x27ae) rev 3, Mem @ 0xdfe80000/19, 0xc0000000/28, 0xdff00000/18, I/O @ 0xd0f0/3
01:21<yury>still using 0:2:0
01:21<mordy_>xorg.conf using :1
01:21<mordy_>maybe startx?
01:21<mordy_>i just started x using X
01:21<qq>reboot than
01:21<yury>ctrl-alt-backspace to kill it
01:22<yury>if you want
01:22<mordy_>too late
01:22<mordy_>well, let's see what happens
01:23<yury>did you save the changes?
01:23<mordy_>yury- yes
01:23<yury>and restart X?
01:24<yury>how are you restarting X, btw?
01:24<mordy_>yury - i think the i810 driver searches for the bus at :0 - perhaps i can recompile the driver
01:24<mordy_>yes - same error
01:24<qq>[07:02:06] <qq> # BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
01:24<yury>mordy_: go ahead and try that
01:24<yury>comment out hte BusID
01:24<mordy_>in xorg?
01:24<yury>but I doubt it
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01:25<mordy_>yury - commented it out - now i get this - (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
01:26<yury>oh, one sec
01:26<yury>I think I know
01:26<yury>paste the entire log
01:27<qq>and paste xorg.conf
01:28<yury>the actual identifier should not matter
01:28<yury>it should match on the BUS ID
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01:31<yury>brb, I want ot test this on my xorg
01:31<mordy_>hehe ok
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01:35<yury>odd, setting 0:2:1 in mine broke it
01:35<mordy_>no workie?
01:35<yury>keep it at 0:2:0
01:35<mordy_>yury - do you also get unknowin device at lspci?
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01:36<yury>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
01:36<yury>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
01:36<mordy_>could it be something in the bios maybe?
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01:36*yury shrugs
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01:36<mordy_>the good thing about crappy companies is that their bios is a bit more extensible
01:37<mordy_>let me see what's there
01:37<yury>have you googled this?
01:37<mordy_>that's the only thing i couldn't stand about the sony - no bios
01:37<mordy_>yury - yes
01:38<mordy_>but i'm not finding anything
01:38<mordy_>i'm regoogling now
01:39<mordy_>hmm.. there's also a "PCI Latency timer"
01:40<yury>I don't think that's it
01:40<mordy_>and AHCI
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01:42<yury>no clue why it does not detect it properly
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01:42<mordy_>i'm wondering if it's ACHI that gave me the installation problem :|
01:43<yury>try lspci -v for more info
01:43<yury>ACHI? erm... I don't think so
01:43<yury>that's a sata thing
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01:43<mordy_>yury - zeroing the local disk helped
01:44<mordy_>yury - here
01:44<yury>zeroing the local disk?
01:44<mordy_>but i'm reading it now
01:44<mordy_>yury - yes - the installer was reading the local HD as if it was the usb stick
01:46<yury>what does that have to do this video?
01:46<mordy_>yury - AHCI? or the link?
01:46<mordy_>AHCI was simply a side comment
01:49<yury>mordy_: that link does not help, his x server gets futher than yours
01:49<mordy_>there are a few posts identical to mine
01:49<path>[ot] is there a way to recover a bricked raq4 ?
01:50<path>wrong flash
01:50<yury>no clue what that is
01:51<yury>anyway, mordy_ not sure why it doesn't detect
01:51<path>raq 550 I meant
01:51<yury>ooh high end
01:51<mordy_>yury - it seems to be a general driver problem - it can't find the chipset
01:52<yury>well, high end several years ago
01:52<yury>mordy_: yeah
01:52<yury>I think an upgrade might help
01:52<yury>but unsure
01:52<mordy_>upgrade to lenny?
01:52<qq>a laptop need acpi=off for installing , i thought
01:52<qq>lenny first
01:54<mordy_>how do i upgrade?
01:54<k-man>how can i extract the audio from an sfw?
01:55<dpkg>rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first
01:55*yury guesses
01:55<yury>oh well
01:55<yury>the idea is to edit /etc/apt/sources.lost
01:55<yury>to reflect the new version
01:55<yury>than aptitude update
01:56<yury>then aptitude upgrade
01:56<mordy_>.lost :p
01:56<yury>aptitude dist-upgrade
01:56<yury>the lost debian sources
01:56<mordy_>Raiders of the Lost Source Code?
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01:57<yury>that would make a good movie
01:58<yury>I wonder if the new one hit the pirating circles yet
01:59<yury>telesync at best
01:59<yury>oh well
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02:05<qq>mordy_: btw how much are you payed for ?
02:05<mordy_>qq: payed for what?
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02:06<mordy_>err... about $700 - but that's because everything here is expensive
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02:06<mordy_>NIS 2100/3.2
02:06<mordy_>but last year NIS2100/4
02:07<mordy_>two years ago /5
02:07*yury pushes two Angelina Jolie movies onto his video stack
02:08<yury>mordy_: you can try dragging in the newer xorg and drivers from lenny
02:08<yury>but I doubt that would help
02:08<yury>if lspci shows it as unknown...
02:08<mordy_>yury - are they really newer?
02:08<mordy_>yeah, it's not an X issue
02:08<yury>I think your problems lie elsewhere
02:08<yury>a newer kernel maybe
02:08<yury>a kernel compile is actually fairly easy
02:09<mordy_>hmm... let me see what i have in make menuconfig
02:09<yury>you can actually take Debian's confi
02:10<yury>w00t 2.6.26 hit stable
02:10<yury>time to upgrade
02:10<snogglethorpe>yury: what
02:10<mordy_>yury - would that help for me as well?
02:10<yury>it might
02:11<yury>The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.26 2008-07-13 22:44 UTC
02:11<yury>several days ago
02:11<mordy_>yury -why can't i see it in apt-cache?
02:11<yury>by stable, I mean, stable
02:12<yury>not... debian stable
02:12<snogglethorpe>yury: ahh.. i thought you meant debian stable ... :-)
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02:12<snogglethorpe>yury: that would be crazy :-)
02:12<yury>debian stable is like stale
02:12<snogglethorpe>hmm "stale" might be a good name :-)
02:12<snogglethorpe>the "getoffmylawn" distro
02:12<Enforcer>how do I mount my NTFS USB drive, I want READ ONLY, no write, it's /dev/sda
02:13<yury>mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/sda /mnt/foo
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02:13<yury>where foo is where you actually want it
02:13<yury>you can do just /mnt
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02:16<mordy_>yury - # CONFIG_FB_I810_GTF is not set shoudln't be causing this - right?
02:16<yury>hm... prolly fine
02:16<yury>FB is framebuffer
02:16<yury>you aren't using that
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02:20<mordy_>gah, all the graphic support is *_FB_*
02:20<snogglethorpe>mordy_: X doesn't need it
02:20<snogglethorpe>mordy_: the issue may just be unkonwn PCI ids or something
02:20<snogglethorpe>mordy_: if it's a very new card
02:20<mordy_>snogglethorpe - it is
02:20<mordy_>i think it is - let me check
02:21<snogglethorpe>mordy_: you always see people posting patches for that kind ofn thing, usually just adding an entry to the appropriate table
02:21<mordy_>i did that once before
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02:21<mordy_>but i needed to recompile the kernel, which took about 2 hours
02:21<mordy_>and on that laptop, it may take even more - although perhaps i can do it on the 'server'
02:22<yury>Enable LEDS features in iwl4965 driver (IWL4965_LEDS)
02:22<yury>now, you would think this is a good idea
02:22<yury>you would be wrong
02:22<snogglethorpe>I've been doing doing some more poking around, it looks like my .iso is simply corrupt... the file md5sums don't match the sums in the file on the disk
02:22<snogglethorpe>yury: does this mean you just enabled it?
02:23<yury>I did last time
02:23<yury>and it drove me insane with the blinding
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02:24<mordy_>yury - what's iwl
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02:25<snogglethorpe>yury: hmm if you're insane, should we listen to your advice ? :-)
02:26<yury>snogglethorpe: exactly
02:26<yury>you shouldn't
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02:26<snogglethorpe>i get a bad feeling about this...
02:27<qq>dosfidanija yuri
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02:28<yury>qq: later ;P
02:29<yury>and it's v, not f
02:29*yury compiles a new kernel
02:29<qq>dosvidanija* yuri , later
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02:36<mordy_>whoa - the tarball is like 230MB
02:36<yury>for what?
02:37<mordy_> - look at the end
02:37<mordy_>i guess i'm an "ordinary user" at the moment
02:37<qq>not sure ...
02:38*qq go to ...sleep
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02:38<mordy_>gutten nacht, morgen
02:39<yury>intel 5000 is out
02:39<mordy_>for what?
02:40<snogglethorpe>yury: is that notable?
02:41<yury>considering they still haven't worked out all (read most) of the bugs in 4965 drivers
02:41<yury>it's... rediculous
02:41<snogglethorpe>yury: well maybe the tossed it all and started over :-)
02:41<yury>that's what I am afraid of
02:41<yury>since I'm stuck with the 4965 card
02:41<mordy_>4965 is n?
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02:42<mordy_>my poor sony has a 2200 :(
02:42<Txt-file>how to dd to a dir?
02:42<mordy_>why would you want to dd to a dir?
02:42<yury>that sounds like a very bad idea
02:43<yury>in fact, impossible
02:43<yury>since a dir is not a block device
02:43<mordy_>well, it's a contradiction in terms
02:43<Txt-file>but I can dd from a dir
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02:43<yury>are you sure you mean dd?
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02:44<yury>yury@orbit:~$ dd if=foo of=bar
02:44<yury>dd: reading `foo': Is a directory
02:44<yury>you can't dd from a dir either
02:44<Txt-file>I want a backup from my sda2 on sda4
02:45<yury>then dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda4
02:45<yury>make sure they are the same size
02:45<mordy_>sda isn't a dir
02:45<Txt-file> dd if=/dev/sda1/ of=/media/data/vista/
02:45<Txt-file>dd: open „/dev/sda1/“: is nor dir
02:45<yury>sda1 is not a dir
02:46<mordy_>remove the last backlash though
02:46<yury>well, he's writing to a dir
02:46<yury>so yeah, remove the backslash
02:46<yury>but that won
02:46<yury>t help
02:47<yury>Txt-file: what are you trying to do exactly
02:47<yury>actually, what do you want to do?
02:47<mordy_>yury - i don't think it has to be the same size - just make sure the target isn't smaller
02:47<Txt-file>yury: I have a old vista installation at sda2
02:48<yury>mordy_: mostly
02:48<yury>but becareful
02:48<yury>it they are on diff drives
02:48<mordy_>yury - it would also waste space
02:49<yury>Txt-file: do you want the files
02:49<yury>or do you want a perfect backup?
02:49<Txt-file>shit happens ... I just delete the vista partition
02:49<mordy_>or more precisely - does he want the perfect files or the perfect backup
02:49<Txt-file>the vista isn't working
02:49<yury>Txt-file: do you want the files, or a perfect backup?
02:50<yury>you can copy the files if you mount the partition
02:50<Txt-file>I want
02:50<yury>however, you will lose some information on permissions
02:50<yury>alternatively, you can copy the entire partition, along with vast expanses of zero's
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02:50<yury>but it would be perfect
02:50<Txt-file>there are not many permission-informations
02:51<yury>there is
02:51<yury>windows supports ACLs
02:51<yury>Linux, by default, does not
02:51<yury>access control lists
02:51<yury>Txt-file: if you want a perfect backup of /dev/sda2
02:51<yury>try this
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02:52<yury>dd if=/dev/sda of=/some/location/sda2.img
02:52<mordy_>hehe, this is one of the things i like about linux - in windoze you'd need to get a special utility - and you'd need to reboot etc.
02:52<yury>however, this will take a long time and a lot of space
02:52<mordy_>and even then you wouldn't be sure if it would work
02:52<yury>well, I actually have to reboot myself right now
02:52<yury>new kernel
02:52<Txt-file>yury: ah thanks
02:52<yury>in fact, just about th eonly reason to reboot
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02:59<mordy_>how do i share a folder?
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03:02<Txt-file_is_away>windoze or linux?
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03:06<sheldonh>mordy_: tell it like a story, .e.g. "I want to use Windows Explorer on my Windows XP computer to access files in a directory on my Debian Etch computer"
03:07<mordy_>sheldonh - i want to set up a smb share - that's all - no xp
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03:08<mordy_>"i want to access my great uncle's porn collection on vista"
03:08<sheldonh>mordy_: if there's no windows involved, why bother with samba? anyway, dpkg-reconfigure samba
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03:09<sheldonh>mordy_: ah, that's different. samba won't help you. you want access to an SMB/CIFS share on a windows computer, _from_ a linux computer
03:09<mordy_>sheldon lol
03:09<mordy_>just linux >----<linux
03:10<cahoot>nfs or sshfs?
03:10<mordy_>nfs i guess
03:10<xsdg>cahoot: sshfs sucks. it's useful, but it sucks
03:10<mordy_>what's sshfs?
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03:11<xsdg>mordy_: a filesystem which provides access to remote files by ssh (or, more specifically, sftp)
03:11<xsdg>mordy_: it's a FUSE backend (Filesystem in USErspace)
03:11<mordy_>like windoze VPN?
03:11<Amaranth`>cheers all.. 1 question.. im trying to install beryl from source code..because i couldn`t find .deb pak anywhere.. does someone know a link? and..does beryl works on kde?
03:12<mordy_>what's beryl? besides the name of my great uncle (seriously, that's his name)
03:12<sheldonh>your poor uncle
03:12<mordy_>well, it's berel
03:12<mordy_>diminutive of "Ber" or "Dov Ber"
03:13<cahoot>then just use nfs mordy_
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03:13<mordy_>how? i just want a command? i don't know any of this stuff
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03:14<sheldonh>mordy_: sooner or later, you'll have to ween yourself off the spoonfeeding and learn how to learn
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03:14<mordy_>sheldonh - yes - but i'm dead tireed and trying to set this thing up
03:14<mordy_>i just want to copy a tarball to my computer
03:14<cahoot>there's some 100 howtos to find with google
03:14<sheldonh>mordy_: sounds like a type 2 problem
03:15<sheldonh>dpkg: tell mordy_ about nfs
03:15<mordy_>type 2?
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03:16*vook is wondering if anyone is able to force flash content to stay behind other content.
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03:17<mordy_>gah, let me just do an smb share - it's already set up
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03:17<mordy_>and i'm too damn tired now to read the howto
03:18<sheldonh>mordy_: well it's not a matter of typing two commands and you're done
03:19<mordy_>gah - isn't there any command-line filesharing system?
03:19<sheldonh>mordy_: there's files to be edited. so either get some sleep or generate a second wind
03:19<vook>scp will copy a file.
03:19<mordy_>does it always have to work with config files?
03:19<sheldonh>mordy_: of course. scp :)
03:19<mordy_>!tell me about scp
03:19<sheldonh>mordy_: but if you want to set up a sharing mechanism that'll be easy ongoingly, see
03:19<vook>scp file username@host:/home/username
03:20<Hideo>haha but then he'll have to set up an ssh server and he can't be arsed to do that
03:20<sheldonh>mordy_: sorry, didn't realize the story was "i just want to copy a file from one linux computer to another, once off, and then go to bed" :)
03:20<mordy_>sheldonh - the story is much more complicated
03:20<mordy_>hideo - ssh is working
03:20<hachi>I'm getting an error from update-rc.d
03:20<hachi>update-rc.d: symlink: No such file or directory
03:21<Hideo>ok then, scp it is
03:21<sheldonh>mordy_: well we can only work with what we know
03:21<hachi>oh, hold on, I'll strace it
03:21<sheldonh>hachi: owch
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03:21<mordy_>sheldonh - then i'll need to install the intel xf86 driver on the other computer
03:21<sheldonh>hachi: sounds like the service you're trying to set up isn't installed
03:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 339] by debhelper
03:22<hachi>no, update-rc.d is broken
03:22<hachi>symlink("../init.d/mythtv-backend", "/etc/rc40.d/S40mythtv-backend") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
03:22<sheldonh>mordy_: sounds horribly manual and way off the reservation in terms of what's supported :)
03:22<sheldonh>hachi: wasa there a cwd prior to that?
03:22<hachi>why is it trying to put it in rc40.d
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03:22<hachi>update-rc.d -f mythtv-backend defaults 40 16
03:22<mordy_>sheldonh - did you witness the previous discussion about the 945?
03:22<sheldonh>hachi: no, that's not how defaults works
03:22<hachi>I'm running that, update-rc.d is doing the wrong thing
03:23<sheldonh>hachi: hmmm, no wait
03:23<hachi>SS KK
03:23<hachi>don't tell me I'm wrong
03:23<sheldonh>hachi: that's just not how i've used it in the past, sorry
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03:23<rss>hi, I have a APC UPS connected to the computer via a USB cable, GNOME power manager notifies powercuts and discharge info. But, I want to shutdown as soon as the AC power is off.
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03:24<sheldonh>hachi: looks more like it's broken. just do update-rc.d mythtv-backend start 40 2 . stop 16 0 6 .
03:24<sheldonh>hachi: after a forced remove, of course
03:24<hachi>hah, no
03:24<rss>I set in GNOME power manager's preferences to shutdown when the charge is low
03:24<hachi>this means that any package using 'defaults' is broken after install
03:24<rss>but it is not shutting the computer and I have very less battery backup
03:24<hachi>I'm not doing a workaround, I'm trying to fix the problem
03:25<hachi>problem is the debian package, sysv-rc is broken
03:25<sheldonh>hachi: ah, cool. which version?
03:25<rss>just enough to stop the many services that are running, to shutdown the computer...
03:25<sheldonh>hachi: there's been some flutter on bootstrap stuff lately (e.g. udev, libdevicemapper...)
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03:25<hachi>2.86.ds1-56, might be fixed already
03:25<rss>so is there any other way to command the UPS to shutdown soon after powercut?
03:26<sheldonh>hachi: sounds like lenny? (i'm using sid)
03:26<rss>I am on Sid
03:26<hachi>yeah, lenny
03:26<hachi>you're a breath of fresh air
03:26<hachi>mostly I get to put up with people telling me "don't care, not gonna help you fix it because you're running testing, run stable if you want stable"
03:27<mordy_>how do i get myself a key?
03:27<mordy_>without adding the key to known_hosts?
03:27<sheldonh>hachi: well the bad news is, i think you'll need to backport 2.86.ds1-60, or wait for the 10-day migration to testing :(
03:28<hachi>whoah, I see nothing is in changelog either
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03:29<hachi>no bug reports
03:29<hachi>no fixed bugs
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03:30<hachi>ahh, but it is fixed... nobody talked about it
03:31<sheldonh>hachi: you read changelogs quickly :)
03:32<sheldonh>hachi: i'm still on -59 :)
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03:32<mordy_>gah, how do i add the host key to known_hosts? where do i find it?
03:33<sheldonh>hachi: i concur. drive-by-fix
03:33<hachi>sheldonh: yeah, it's weird... nothing in the bugs list, nothing in the changelog, but it's most certainly fixed
03:33<hachi>can a person elect to get it into testing faster?
03:33<hachi>this bug is going to bite a lot of people in the ass
03:33<sheldonh>mordy_: known_hosts is your local cache of remote hostkeys. keys are added to it when you connect to remote hosts, are prompted to accept and save the key, and do so
03:33<FregTuX>is ther italian people?
03:33<sheldonh>mordy_: it's not something you have to worry about just copying a file
03:34<sheldonh>hachi: yeah. i'm not a fan of testing, except for release-targetted engineering projects
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03:34<hachi>the problem is that if they upload another new version of sysv-rc, the time loop starts all over
03:34<sheldonh>hachi: yup
03:35<hachi>so how do you kick people in the pants about this?
03:35<mordy_>sheldonh - i get this
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03:35<hachi>testing is frozen!
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03:35<sheldonh>hachi: nice :)
03:36<sheldonh>hachi: i would either file a bug against the version in lenny, or send a message asking how to proceed, to
03:36<hachi>roger roger
03:36<sheldonh>hachi: if it's a release-critical bug, someone will have to look at it, freeze or no :)
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03:37<FregTuX>who have conky=?
03:37<hachi>yeah, it's in 1-59, fixed in 1-60
03:37<hachi>I'll file a bug now
03:37<hachi>thanks for the input
03:38<sheldonh>hachi: but i thought you had -56?
03:38<hachi>I upgraded to -59 and checked
03:38<hachi>then to -60
03:38<sheldonh>hachi: ah. wicked, someone who puts effort into their bug reports :)
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03:38<hachi>well, I'm about to make a faux pas
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03:38<hachi>I can't remember how to make a debian bug report
03:38<sheldonh>hachi: lol
03:39<hachi>perlbug for perl...
03:39<sheldonh>hachi: reportbug
03:39<mordy_>gah, man pages don't say anything :((
03:39<hachi>jeeze, I couldn't remember that? I think I've filed bugs against reportbug
03:40<sheldonh>mordy_: just delete line 3 in /root/.ssh/known_hosts and try again
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03:40<sheldonh>mordy_: you really need some sleep, man :)
03:41<sheldonh>i want a biometric system on my laptop that shuts down my computer when it senses i'm getting tired or angry :)
03:41<sheldonh>now THAT would be technology assisting humanity
03:41<aptituz>at least the first part shouldn't be that hard
03:42<sheldonh>aptituz: biometrics are magic to me :)
03:42<mordy_>sheldonh -:p
03:42<hachi>ugh, I hate the first question of reportbug on a new machine
03:42<aptituz>sheldonh: well then get a biology book and learn something about your body :P
03:42<hachi>"how smart are you"
03:43<hachi>I don't remember, didn't I set you up before, like many times?
03:43<hachi>you're the computer, you tell me how smart I am
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03:43<hachi>jeeze :)
03:43<mordy_>sheldonh - no fear - caffeine to the rescue
03:43<sheldonh>aptituz: it's electronics i need to learn about :)
03:44<aptituz>sheldonh: ah there is not so much about it
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03:44<sheldonh>anyway, i'm off to take my son to the aquarium. he goes bonkers :)
03:44<aptituz>sheldonh: a biometric device only does measure well-documented biological values
03:44<sheldonh>aptituz: i don't wanna read, just send me commands!
03:44*sheldonh grins at mordy_
03:44<aptituz>sheldonh: haha!
03:45*aptituz is to tired and to drunken to "send commands" ;)
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03:45<aptituz>s/to/too/g even
03:45<mordy_>gah, that's my field - but gah
03:46<aptituz>lol gn8
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03:48<mordy_>and scp even gave me a full 100mbits
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03:52<newsense>oftc doesnt offer hostmasks do they, sorry OT /
03:54<hachi>seriously... hate reportbug
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03:57<hachi>sheldonh: I'm sorry to bug you, but... okay that's a bad pun... how do I send a bug report to the system once reportbug has formatted it for me? it never tells me the email address to send it to, and the bugs page for packages don't say either
03:57<hachi>this is my hatred of reportbug... it always assumes you want to send the bug report from the machine you're on
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04:00<hachi>nevermind... dug out an old one
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04:06<DawnLight>no-one answers in #debian-devel
04:07<hachi>they're all dead jim
04:07<DawnLight>common, this isn't compllicated. many know this. it's just a little gnupg magic
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04:08<hachi>I didn't even see you ask a question here
04:08<DawnLight>ahuh. isn't this the same channel as in freenode?
04:08<hachi>this is oftc
04:08<hachi>different network
04:08<DawnLight>right. good. i thought they were synced
04:09<DawnLight>anyway, i am trying to sign a local repository
04:09<DawnLight>i don't know anything about gnupg. never signed anything
04:10<DawnLight>can anyone tell me how to do this?
04:10<hachi>well, I don't have the faintest clue, but... if nobody here knows... maybe #debian-mentors
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04:13<sheldonh>hachi: i thought it sent mail to
04:13<mordy_>boqer or
04:14<hachi>sheldonh: yeah, it does
04:14<sheldonh>DawnLight: check out debsign (from devscripts), and possibly reprepro
04:14<mordy_>how can i extract layered tars? i.e. a tar within a tar? extract the entire tarball and have only their contents with the entire structure?
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04:15<sheldonh>mordy_: tar -Oxzf outer.tar.gz inner.tar.gz | tar -C /path/to/target -xzf -
04:15<sheldonh>mordy_: man tar for more
04:15<hachi>-O is the key
04:16<mordy_>sheldon - just manned it before i asked
04:16<sheldonh>right, really off to the aquarium now
04:16<hachi>which one?
04:16<hachi>it's like, 1:30am local for me, you must be someplace nice and far :)
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04:18<mordy_>11:18 AM here
04:18<hachi>Cape Town?
04:18<hachi>south africa? jeeze
04:18<hachi>roughly the farthest point on the earth from me :)
04:18<mordy_>hachi where are you
04:19<hachi>nah, the aquarium sheldonh's headed to :)
04:19<hachi>san francisco, ca
04:19<mordy_>heeh, i think he's in england
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04:20<mordy_>jerusalem here
04:20<DawnLight>love jerusalem
04:20*DawnLight loves it
04:20<hachi>I love the whole world
04:20<mordy_>dawnLight - you're here too?
04:21<hachi>and I guess madagascar would be the farthest point from me :)
04:21<DawnLight>i just came in here today
04:21<DawnLight>mordy_: are you doing something complicated?
04:21<mordy_>where were you before?
04:21<mordy_>DawnLight - always :D
04:21<DawnLight>i was in freenode
04:21<mordy_>oh, i mean are you in jerusalem :p
04:22<DawnLight>nah, i'm in raanana
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04:22<mordy_>meh, never went there
04:23<mordy_>i'm never good with local geography - and with such a tiny country - almost everything is local
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04:24<mordy_>DawnLight - currently i'm trying to install the intel xf86 driver
04:25<mordy_>which comes in the form of a 250MB tarball :-s
04:25<cahoot>what's wrong with xorgs intel driver?
04:26<mordy_>cahoot - i don't think it's an xorg issue but probably something deeper
04:26<mordy_>lspci can't detect the chipset
04:26<gsimmons>mordy_: Run "update-pciids", then try again.
04:26<mordy_>cahoot - look here 1-4
04:28<mordy_>hmm.. weird
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04:28<mordy_>it detects the chipset now
04:29<DawnLight>it doesn't 'detect' it. it just recognizes the pci id as this product
04:29<DawnLight>the pci-ids list has the correlations
04:30<DawnLight>it won't help it run, or anything
04:30<DawnLight>now that you've updated the ids
04:30<mordy_>but let's see if it will help
04:30<DawnLight>it won't...
04:30<mordy_>or i guess it won't - maybe i'll get a new error message at least :(
04:31<mordy_>poor X
04:31<cahoot>I thought intel graphics would be the easiest of all to get running in linux
04:31<DawnLight>the kernel modules work according to the ids, not the strings in that list
04:31<cahoot>(apart from old mga's
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04:32<mordy_>you mean like PCI X:X:X?
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04:34<mordy_>well, anyway - X's i810 simply won't work -
04:35<mordy_>i guess the i810 doesn't go with the 945?
04:35<mordy_>but this new tarball i dowloaded is from
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04:36<cahoot>mordy_: your earlier paste declares it's intended for 945
04:36<cahoot>(among others)
04:38<mordy_>cahoot - i said (but i don't think pasted) that the xorg driver is intended for "8xx and 9xx" - but i guess since this is a new chip, it's not supported (yeT)
04:38<cahoot>mordy_: did you try comment out the BusId ?
04:38<mordy_>cahoot yes
04:38<mordy_>it only works with vesa :(
04:39<DawnLight>what determines which mirror apt chooses to fetch from first?
04:39<DawnLight>if there are multiple in the sources.list
04:39<mordy_>DawnLight - i guess it goes in order?
04:39<Fraicheur>hi all i'm looking for french room please
04:39<DawnLight>it doesn't
04:40<dpkg>i heard fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:40<gsimmons>Fraicheur: ^^^^
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04:46<DawnLight>according to the man page it should
04:46<mordy_>DawnLight - maybe not this revision - it's new
04:47<DawnLight>what's new? i'm talking about the sources.list
04:48<DawnLight>it gets it from the second mirror, and not the first
04:48<DawnLight>i need a way to determine this
04:48<mordy_>DawnLight - try to switch around the sources - see what happens
04:49<mordy_>try a few lines - like deb
04:49<DawnLight>i've tried. it still gets it from the local repo. perhaps it recognizes the fact that it is local
04:49<valdyn>DawnLight: why does it matter?
04:50<DawnLight>valdyn: i am using preseed with a local repo and the official mirror will be listed also
04:50<valdyn>DawnLight: what kind of url is the local stuff? file:// ?
04:50<DawnLight>i want to make sure i understand how it chooses
04:50<DawnLight>no, it's
04:50<valdyn>DawnLight: it goes by version and some timestamp
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04:51<valdyn>DawnLight: if those are equal it goes by order of appearance
04:51<DawnLight>what version? what timestamp?
04:51<valdyn>DawnLight: package version
04:51<DawnLight>the versions are the same. these are official packages
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04:51<DawnLight>they're just in my repo
04:51<valdyn>DawnLight: yea, i think timestamp on the packages.gz file
04:51<DawnLight>the newest wins?
04:52<valdyn>DawnLight: well yes, but i dont know that part exactly
04:52*DawnLight wonders if sources.list manual tells about this
04:52<valdyn>DawnLight: i just know that same version packages will even be replaced if whichever timestamp somewhere is newer
04:52<DawnLight>no way
04:52<valdyn>DawnLight: yes, defenitely
04:53<DawnLight>no, that doesn't happen here
04:53<valdyn>DawnLight: uh? it can hardly happen under normal circumstanecs
04:55<DawnLight>what do you mean? i have made this repo with official packages so the timestamp must be newer than the official mirror and the packages in this machine are from the official mirror. wait, what do you mean 'replaced if the timestamp is newer'? apt knows the Packages.gz timestamp for every installed package?
04:55<mordy_>Intel chipset detected. However, 915resolution was unable to determine the chipset type.
04:56<valdyn>DawnLight: i dont know where that timestamp is
04:56<valdyn>DawnLight: i just experience this when i build a package myself before the debian build daemon does it
04:56<DawnLight>so this is package-specific, not repository specific
04:56<valdyn>DawnLight: in such a case my own package gets replaced by the debian package as soon as its available, even though its the exact some package
04:56<valdyn>DawnLight: yes, right
04:57<DawnLight>i'll just try to boot this thing and see what it chooses...
04:57<valdyn>DawnLight: it seems to be whats happening in your case too however
04:58<DawnLight>ahm... you think? but... hmm... perhaps
04:58<DawnLight>so perhaps it isn't package specific
04:59<valdyn>DawnLight: aptitude certainly does not check the location of http urls
04:59<DawnLight>right. so it just prefers _packages_ from my local repo because the timestamp on the repo is newer
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05:00<valdyn>DawnLight: something like that
05:00<valdyn>DawnLight: as i said i dont know where that time stamp is from
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05:00<DawnLight>it is from the eternity
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05:02<mordy_>gah, it's the chipset - there's no support for it
05:02<DawnLight>you know this only now?
05:02<valdyn>915resolution is etch?
05:03<DawnLight>it is
05:03<mordy_>valdyn - yes
05:03<valdyn>mordy_: your chipset is probably just to new, there should be newer X for you at
05:03<mordy_>well, i tried 915resolution -c 945GME
05:03<DawnLight>there's a new X in backports?
05:03<mordy_>new X or new driver?
05:04<valdyn>mordy_: both
05:04<valdyn>mordy_: 915resolution is obsolete after etch
05:04<mordy_>valdyn - i have backports in my repos - nothing there
05:04<mordy_>maybe it's under a different name
05:04<dpkg>etchnhalf is probably "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See:
05:04<DawnLight>soon enough, soon enough.
05:05<valdyn>mordy_: look at the etchnhalf website
05:05<mordy_>valdyn ... doing :D
05:06<valdyn>mordy_: either way 915resolution not supporting your chip could mean nothing since its not made for newer intel chips
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05:07<mordy_>i need to use the installer? can't i just apt-get?
05:07<mordy_>i think someone answered this before :(
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05:07<valdyn>mordy_: you only need to install i think
05:07<DawnLight>mordy_: you can try out the etchnahalf packages
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05:08<DawnLight>but isn't there a whole new xorg in etchnahalf
05:08<valdyn>DawnLight: no..
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05:08<DawnLight>preseeding is nice
05:08<mordy_>gah, i wonder if i can maybe just edit something in the driver source and recompile
05:09<valdyn>mordy_: geez
05:09<valdyn>mordy_: why cant you install a simple .deb file?
05:09<mordy_>just search the i810 module and add a line with "945GME"?
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05:09*DawnLight echos valdyn
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05:09<DaCapn>I want to replace one package from stable with one from sid, what would be the safest way to do this? I want to be able to just roll back to the stable package (which I have a local copyt of) if I have problems.
05:10<valdyn>!simple sid backport
05:10<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
05:10<valdyn>DawnLight: ^^^
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05:10<DawnLight>same two first letters
05:10<DawnLight>DaCapn: ^^^
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05:11<DawnLight>how do i set the locale for a user while the locales debconf'ed default is something else?
05:11<valdyn>DawnLight: for X ?
05:11<DaCapn>I can't just use dpkg to force uninstall the old one and then force install the new one?
05:11<DawnLight>ahm... for X, yes
05:11<DawnLight>so that stuff like iceweasel would run in hebrew
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05:12<DawnLight>but the system default would be english
05:12<valdyn>DawnLight: gdm has this selectable
05:12<DawnLight>i'm using kdm
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05:12<DawnLight>i'll check
05:12<valdyn>DawnLight: kde has this selectable in its control center
05:13<DawnLight>only for kde apps
05:13<cahoot>wouldn't LANG=<whatever> iceweasel do?
05:13<valdyn>DawnLight: i see
05:13<valdyn>cahoot: sure but thats probably inconveniet
05:13<DawnLight>if there was a kde app with the gecko engine, i'd be happy
05:13<cahoot>(if it's onyl iceweasel that's on the agenda)
05:14<DawnLight>or if konqueror could embed the gecko engine...
05:14<valdyn>DawnLight: it needs to be set before kde starts ideally, so if its not selectable in kdm, then you need your own ~/.xsession file
05:15<valdyn>DawnLight: and kdm lets you select sessions, doesnt it?
05:15<mordy_>ok, dpkg -i <newinteldriver.deb> - now what?
05:15<valdyn>mordy_: restart X
05:15<DawnLight>i'll check
05:15<valdyn>mordy_: or just start X
05:15<mordy_>valdyn - same thing
05:15<valdyn>mordy_: which thing?
05:15<mordy_>valdyn - same error messages
05:15<valdyn>mordy_: which error message?
05:16<mordy_> - #1-4
05:16<mordy_>hmm.. maybe this thing has documentation
05:16<valdyn>mordy_: why did you give a PCI ID ?
05:16<mordy_>valdyn - comment it out? same results
05:17<valdyn>mordy_: yes, comment it out
05:17<mordy_>valdyn - and driver "intel"?
05:18<mordy_>hmm.. maybe i'll just check - what's the path to X's drivers?
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05:18<valdyn>mordy_: paste the new log after the busid thing is commented out
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05:20<mordy_>valdyn -
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05:22<valdyn>mordy_: change the driver from i810 to intel
05:22<mordy_>did it before you asked :p - but here ^ is the log
05:23<gcs>Hi! Any DD from Japan?
05:23<mordy_>dd if=japan?
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05:23<gcs>Debian Developer from Japan.
05:23<valdyn>mordy_: is this a debian kernel?
05:23<mordy_>valdyn - yes
05:24<mordy_>valdyn - should i get a new one?
05:24<valdyn>mordy_: probably yes
05:24<valdyn>mordy_: run lsmod | grep agp
05:26<mordy_>homegrown organic debian kernel?
05:26<valdyn>mordy_: uh?
05:26<mordy_>agpgart 29896 1 drm
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05:26<valdyn>mordy_: get a newer kernel from
05:26<mordy_>hmm... let me add it to my repos
05:27<valdyn>mordy_: with this one you dont have agpgart or dri support
05:28<mordy_>apt-cache search linux-image?
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05:30<valdyn>mordy_: yea, that ones ok
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05:35<mordy_>valdyn - it works now :D
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05:37<DawnLight>it works?
05:37<DawnLight>you have x?
05:37<mordy_>no problems so far :D
05:37<DawnLight>you have x!
05:37<mordy_>yes :D
05:37<mordy_>i have x!
05:37<DawnLight>is that using the etchnahalf packages?
05:37*mordy_ has X!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!
05:38<mordy_>Dawn - that and a new homegrown organic kernel
05:38*DawnLight loves organic
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05:39<DawnLight>mordy_: anything else?
05:39<mordy_>hehe, let's see - i still need to test the wlan and webcam
05:42<mordy_>gah, it's not detecting any wlan in iwconfig
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05:42<mordy_>lsmod |grep LAN?
05:42<gsimmons>!whats my wireless
05:42<dpkg>Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or, or ask about <whats my hardware>
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05:43<mordy_>graphics are excellent here though
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05:44<DawnLight>how can i have output go both to terminal and to a file?
05:46<mordy_>gah, another "unknown device" but let me download the package
05:48<valdyn>mordy_: unknown devices is just "update-pciids"
05:48<amphi>DawnLight: tee(1)
05:48<valdyn>mordy_: but that does not change anything except that string of characters
05:49<mordy_>valdyn -not to mention it can't find the string, apparently -as it's still 'unknown'
05:50<mordy_>realtek 8199
05:50<valdyn>mordy_: even though you did run update-pciids ?
05:50<mordy_>valdyn - yes
05:50<valdyn>mordy_: does the nic work though?
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05:51<mordy_>hehe, i just googled for 'realtek 8199' - the second result was my pastebin
05:53<mordy_>valdyn - not in the slightest :|
05:53<valdyn>mordy_: show the lspci -n output for your device
05:55<valdyn>mordy_: i dont want to guess
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05:56<valdyn>mordy_: if you could paste the plain lspci output or just tell me which device it is
05:56<valdyn>mordy_: then i dont have to
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05:56<mordy_>02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Unknown device 8199 (rev 22)
05:56<valdyn>mordy_: see, that matches 02:00.0 0280: 10ec:8199 (rev 22)
05:57<valdyn>mordy_: that devices is not even yet supports in 2.6.26-rc8
05:58<mordy_>valdyn - either my wlan is that rare, or it doesn't exist
05:58<valdyn>mordy_: you might have to use ndiswrapper
05:58<mordy_>valdyn - a google for "realtek 8199" produces 2 results - so i'm gathering it's not the real device
05:59<valdyn>mordy_: why?
05:59<mordy_>valdyn - i'd see more google hits
05:59<valdyn>mordy_: 8199 is just a pciid value, you dont find that that easily in google
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05:59<mordy_>is there a way to find what the device identifies itself as?
05:59<valdyn>mordy_: 02:00.0 0280: 10ec:8199 (rev 22
05:59<mordy_>dmesg perhaps?
06:00<valdyn>mordy_: ^^^^^ bus location:* vendor:device (revision)
06:00<valdyn>mordy_: stop guessing, start using brain
06:00<valdyn>mordy_: your device is not supported by linux, use ndiswrapper
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06:01<valdyn>mordy_: supported devices are at /lib/modules/(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
06:01<valdyn>mordy_: and your nic isnt there
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06:03<mordy_>where do i find the path to my optical drive?
06:03<mordy_>i'm trying to see if i can gather more information from the laptop's manual
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06:04<los7>hi all
06:05<los7>I made the network nstall disk it boots to the debian screen that says press fi for help and enter to boot then it hangs
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06:06<los7>and ideas?
06:06<mordy_>los7 - CD? USB?
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06:07<mordy_>burned it according to the manual? etc.?
06:07<los7>mm I burned it as an iso
06:08<los7>is there an extra step ?
06:08<mordy_>los7 - well, you should burn it in RAW mode
06:08<mordy_>los7 also make sure you're using the ISO for your architecture
06:09<mordy_>los7 - what are you using to burn?
06:09<los7>yeah I have the right arch. what is raw mode?
06:09<mordy_>Write At Once - i think
06:10<cahoot>los7: tried alt-f2 or such for a console/tty with possible error msg?
06:10<mordy_>alt-f4 ;-)
06:10<amphi>wodim blah.iso should burn it correctly
06:11<los7>thats what I did
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06:13<los7>but I have just had some switches brought to my atentionb
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06:14<los7>not f2
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06:14<los7>I'll have to restart to try
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06:16<mordy_>hmm.... i can't find the model of the wlan anywhere
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06:17<mordy_>ahh.. found it - 8187SE
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06:20<mordy_>where do i find the kernel config files again?
06:20<mordy_>i.e. on the internet?
06:23<mordy_>hmm... it's in the kernel config
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07:26<sheldonh>mordy_: /boot/config*
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07:28<mordy_>sheldonh - in respect to what?
07:29<mordy_>sheldonh - i did some research on the card - it doens't work with linux - need ndiswrapper
07:29<mordy_>(i'm talking about the wlan)
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07:29<sheldonh>mordy_: was answering your question about where to find the kernel config
07:29<mordy_>oh, i found it - i was asking for the online list - i found it though
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07:40<Enforcer>how do I mount my usb hard disk? it's /dev/sda and ntfs, I only want to read it
07:40<mordy_>hehe, this is cool - i have a working laptop that's about 1LB!
07:40<sheldonh>ha! a free moment. better pounce on it and finish our website, so people checking out this established floss consultancy don't arrive at a hosting provider's holding page :)
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07:42<sheldonh>dpkg: tell Enforcer about ntfs
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08:16<gass>what are the default definitions in fontconfig?
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08:17<gass>i was twinking this in my laptop and screwed this up
08:17<gass>it smees that anti-aliasing went to other place
08:18<xyz>During the setup of debian using a debian cd i need to double check on wich partition im installing grub (im not using MBR for grub) is there someway i can see my partition table if i alt+f2 out to the console?
08:18<cahoot>fdisk -l ?
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08:20<xyz>And fdisk -l should list everything?
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08:22<cahoot>you feel you miss something in the output?
08:23<xyz>Is there someway i can get the menu up for the install so i can go back to the partition step directly?
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08:34<sheldonh>xyz: usually "Go back" will get you to a full menu of options, one of which should be "Partition something or other"
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08:58<PiousMinion>Is there a channel that would be willing to support a Indonesian debian user?
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09:00<gass>do we have mod wcgi enabled in apache?
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09:07<[machine]>pious: you can try here
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09:09<avu>gass, mod_wsgi you mean?
09:09<gass>avu, yes
09:10<avu>gass, in lenny and sid, there are packages for that
09:10<avu>!tell gass about search
09:10<gass>avu, apt-cache search wcgi -> return nothing
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09:11<gass>ooo ...
09:11<gass>avu, thanks :)
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10:07<mordy>hello all
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10:08<DawnLight>yo! mordy
10:08<DawnLight>how's yer lappy
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10:09<mordy>DawnLight - i managed to fix that sony i thought was fried
10:09<mordy>DawnLight - i spent the past few hours trying to fix my sony laptop - and it worked - lots of things wrong with it, and lots of dust.
10:10<mordy>initially i didn't think it would work, and i thought it was fried - but i'm using this laptop right now - it's running lenny
10:10<DawnLight>don't run lenny
10:11<mordy>DawnLight - why not? it's already installed on the box - although i don't really see much of a difference
10:11<DawnLight>you'll see when the bugs hit ya
10:11<mordy>it's not my primary machine anyway - i want to use both laptops as thin clients
10:11<mordy>for the bigger laptop which i'd want to configure as a terminal
10:11<DawnLight>mordy: ltsp?
10:12<mordy>i'll need to look that
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10:13<mordy>DawnLight - i'm fascinated by remote control
10:13<DawnLight>ltsp rulezor
10:14<mordy>hmm, but the graphics on this laptop are horrible - it's not supposed to be like that
10:14<mordy>maybe i should get better drivers
10:14<DawnLight>can you donate a laptop to me? i'll give you some old boxes that are already thin clients
10:14<mordy>dawnlight- what will i do with boxes?
10:14<sheldonh>DawnLight: the problem with lenny right now is that, so close to release, it's actually quite usable. so people who first give testing a whirl _now_ will learn to trust it, at their peril
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10:15<DawnLight>i don't know. same thing you plan to do with those laptops as thin clients
10:15<mordy>DawnLight - but maybe you have something else that may be of interest to me - you can't find anything in this country
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10:15<DawnLight>i have only myself
10:15<DawnLight>perhaps i am of value
10:15<DawnLight>i know a little debian
10:15<mordy>DawnLight - we can legalize slavery - no?
10:16<DawnLight>that's nasty
10:17<mordy>hehe, the advantage of a laptop is that it's a true domestic thin client
10:17<mordy>and since i like to lay in bed, i really need a thin client
10:17<DawnLight>i can make much more use of it where i'm going, though
10:17<mordy>where's that?
10:18<DawnLight>in portugal. we'll help make peace in the world, hopefully
10:18<DawnLight>or something
10:18<DawnLight>anyway, amen
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10:19<mordy>hehe, portugal isn't looking for peace - perhaps over here is the place to concentrate :-/
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10:19<mordy>DawnLight - making peace with debian?
10:19<DawnLight>yes, we're coming here
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10:19<DawnLight>with debian. yes. peace has to have freedom
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10:20<mordy>lots of people with israeli ips come in here- i've noticed
10:20<DawnLight>can't have four-coloured butterflies booting where there's peace. unless those butterflies change their colours, so to speak
10:20<mordy>although i think here is a microsoft stronghold :-/
10:21<scripted>can i ask where the equivilent of task manager is on kubuntu?
10:22<DawnLight>scripted: sorry, this here's a debian channel
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10:22<mordy>perhaps in #ubuntu or #kubuntu
10:22<scripted>ok can you suggest a channel?
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10:23<DawnLight>kde has something when you press Ctrl+Esc, though
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10:23<mordy>but in general typing ps or ps aux in your terminal should do. if you want to end a process, kill it
10:23<scripted>thanks dawnlight
10:23<scripted>and mordy
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10:25<mordy>hehe, that was one of the first things i wanted to know when i first switched to linux - the task manager
10:26<gass>lol ...
10:26<snogglethorpe>i wonder how many variants on "top" there are in debian
10:26<snogglethorpe>must be like 20...
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10:26<gass>gnome has a nice app ... but there is also ps and top
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10:26<DawnLight>htop, you mean
10:27<snogglethorpe>gnome's task list is kinda bloated and not very readable though
10:27<snogglethorpe>i like "atop" myself
10:27<mordy>what does a variant mean essentially? uses the same kernels?
10:27<gass>snogglethorpe, not very readable?
10:27<snogglethorpe>keeping trying others, but alwasy come back to atop
10:27<gass>snogglethorpe, gnome-system-monitor
10:27<snogglethorpe>gass: well you can read the numbers but the gui gets in the way
10:28<snogglethorpe>e.g., it doesn't doa good job of adjusting field widths
10:28<gass>but you can easilly check and also re-order stuff
10:28<gass>that i agree
10:28<snogglethorpe>and there's too much gfx noise
10:28<snogglethorpe>you really want simple table of numbers
10:29<snogglethorpe>the reordeing actually seems kinda pointless too since it's a pain to do that all the time, and the defaults are horrible
10:29<snogglethorpe>basically it seems someone spent about 5 minutes writing that app
10:29<snogglethorpe>plugged it in to a standard widget and just went off and did something else
10:30<mordy>snogglethorpe - the sony isn't dead
10:30<snogglethorpe>the sony?!
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10:31<snogglethorpe>btw, anyone know of anyplace with an apt repo of bleeding edge X releases?
10:31<snogglethorpe>building X from scratch sounds like something of a pain
10:31<snogglethorpe>at least if you need to take all the various version dependencies
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10:36<mordy>go sony - they make good machines
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10:36<lucas_amorim>Hello, I have just updated my lenny installation on my P4 box. So it changed kernel to version 2.6.25-2-686. The problem is that when I try to build the nvidia proprietary module again, by running its installation script, it says I am running a Xen kernel, is that true? how to work around that?
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10:36<lucas_amorim>I am gonna paste the log somewhere
10:36<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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10:40<lucas_amorim>is there any nvidia-installer related irc channel??
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10:43<abrotman>by running which script? if it's the one from .. ask #nvidia on
10:43<lucas_amorim>its the one from
10:45<lucas_amorim>I am gonna try at
10:45<lucas_amorim>But it seems that this guy:
10:46<lucas_amorim>solved the problem.. he just forgot to say how :(
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10:50*sheldonh prefers the nvidia one-liner
10:51<sheldonh>abrotman: i agree with you, having done some reading and thinking. for junior sysadmins, the tool is upgrade / safe-upgrade, _not_ dist-upgrade / full-upgrade. i actually apply a fair bit of thinking to dist-upgrade, and it's unfair to expect juniors to drive it without catastrophic results
10:51<abrotman>can i get a cookie?
10:52*DawnLight hands out a cooky
10:52<DawnLight>cookie, actually
10:52<DawnLight>or whatevah
10:52<abrotman>lucas_amorim: seems he just commented out the XEN check
10:53*mordy offers his brigade of four-hundred and thirty seven heavily armed SWAT cooks to abrotman at a special discount
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10:54<lucas_amorim>yeah.. I am gonna send him an e-mail
10:54<abrotman>mordy: as long as i fix all your problems? :)
10:54<abrotman>mordy: could you also fix my bike?
10:54<mordy>:D - no, but i just fixed a laptop :D
10:54<DawnLight>so i'm actually making progress with this project, abrotman. i'm making a preinstalled desktop kde debian which installs completely via network with preseed non-interactively. i think shop owners're going to like this
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10:55<abrotman>i wouldn't like it
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10:56<DawnLight>it isn't hacked up. it is debian!
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10:56<abrotman>i just meant i wouldn't like it .. not that it's a bad idea
10:57<DawnLight>ok. so is it a good idea? :)
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10:57<abrotman>not for me :)
10:57<snogglethorpe>i guess after a big shootout, the swat team's mighty hungry
10:57<DawnLight>are you a shop owner?
10:57<mordy>i gather it's the KDE
10:57<snogglethorpe>they're gonna need a lot of cooks
10:58<mordy>lol snogglethorpe
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11:02<mordy>where can i change the (debconf?) (level of questioning?) in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
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11:03<stephen>does anyone know a command to see if a machine has a usb1 or usb2 host
11:04<cahoot> lsusb -v |grep -i ehci perhaps
11:05<mordy>or just lsusb -it shouldn't give too much unless you really have a lot of ports and devices connected to them
11:05<mordy>EHCI = enhanced host controller interface?
11:05<stephen>thanks guys!
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11:08<gravity>mordy: What do you want it to ask you?
11:09<mordy>gravity - the driver, resolutions mainly
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11:10<gravity>mordy: Neither of those are asked as of lenny
11:10<gravity>mordy: The code to do so isn't in the scripts any more
11:10<Nyaa>MySQL on Debian etch. init.d/mysql fails to shut down the server. I imported an old dump. I noticed debian-sys-maint and such. What do I need to fix?
11:10<gravity>mordy: You can set them using the xrandr utility
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11:11<gravity>mordy: That also details how to set the resolution longer-term
11:11<mordy>gravity - also the driver and acceleration?
11:11<gravity>mordy: By hand
11:11<gravity>mordy: Although in normal cases the server will pick the right driver by default
11:12<gravity>mordy: Only in the case of non-free drivers will you have to do anything
11:12<gravity>Or buggy cases
11:12<mordy>hmm... intel 915?
11:12<Nyaa>This channel is weird. You always highlight each other even though it's 100% in context who you're talking to.
11:12<cahoot>who are you speaking to?
11:12<mordy>nyaa - i find it advantageous because the window blinks when someone is speaking to you
11:13<Nyaa>That was to everyone, obviously.
11:13<Nyaa>Yeah, doing it once is all you need though.
11:13<gravity>mordy: That should be loaded automatically
11:13<gravity>Nyaa: The channel can get very busy, so it's useful to do it as a habit
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11:14<Nyaa>I guess...
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11:15<Nyaa>So, do you know what needs to be done about my MySQL script problem?
11:15<chris__>can i enable experimental repo's on ubuntu from debian?
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11:15<abrotman>!forgot mysql root passwd
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11:15<abrotman>!forgot mysql root password
11:15<dpkg>If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or
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11:15<gravity>chris__: You can but it's probably not a good idea
11:15<abrotman>chris__: doesn't make sense .. and it's likely a really bad idea
11:15<Nyaa>Naah, I have it right here but it's from an older dump. Migrated from FreeBSD to Debian.
11:16<chris__>is there a debian based distro with rolling updates?
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11:16<Nyaa>I'm guessing some conf file needs it. I noticed the init.d script runs mysqladmin shutdown but it seems to do so without a password.
11:16<sheldonh>Nyaa: we do that to leverage irc clients' notification features
11:16<sheldonh>Nyaa: when someone says my name in channel, my client's entry in the "panel" at the bottom of the screen flashes
11:16<Nyaa>I know you do. I've used IRC myself for ~10 years.
11:16<mordy>where are X's drivers located?
11:16<gravity>chris__: Debian unstable
11:17<sheldonh>Nyaa: and we often pop in and out, so the prepending of nicks isn't _that_ weird :)
11:17<gravity>mordy: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
11:17<gravity>mordy: Although mucking around in there is probably the wrong thing to do
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11:18<gravity>chris__: Also Debian testing
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11:18<mordy>yeah, i should really find these things myself :( perhaps but these things in a neat little textfile
11:18<gravity>chris__: Rolling updates is one thing Debian actually does very well
11:18<abrotman>just imagine if
11:18<abrotman>we all talked without
11:18<abrotman>prepending names!
11:18<gravity>mordy: What exactly do you want to do? Why not just edit xorg.conf?
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11:19<Nyaa>I guess adding debian-sys-maint to the MySQL users might help.
11:19<mordy>gravity - i want to see the name of my driver -but i wanted it for reference anyway - i saved the path to a file :D
11:19<gravity>mordy: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the name of your driver
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11:19<gravity>(assuming you're running on display 0 of course)
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11:20<DawnLight>y'all have no idea how much work this is
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11:22<DawnLight>mordy: i've a PIII laptop which can serve as a thin client. can we perhaps swap laptops?
11:23<mordy>DawnLight - how "Thin" is it?
11:23<gass>DawnLight, are you from where?
11:23<DawnLight>i'm from israel
11:23<DawnLight>it is pretty small
11:23<DawnLight>it is a smallish laptop
11:23<mordy>what's the model?
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11:24<DawnLight>ahm... second
11:24<scretch>Does anybody knows a command to check info about monitor?
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11:24<cahoot>hwinfo --monitor?
11:24<mordy>stretch - xrandr
11:24<DawnLight>mordy: toshiba model no. PP344L-2PU02
11:24<morph_>hachi: hi! I'm one of the reportbug maints, and I've just seen your comments about it: any input is welcome to please user expectation, just tell me what you feel is missing
11:25<DawnLight>mordy: in other words, "PORTEGE 3440CT"
11:25<mordy>DawnLight- and what do you seek?
11:25*gravity needs to nmu reportbug-ng
11:25<DawnLight>mordy: a laptop that i can use as a laptop. even if the battery life is short and it has no sound and no 3d and no wifi
11:25<DawnLight>although wifi would be nice
11:26<DawnLight>and all the rest
11:26<DawnLight>i just want a portable X
11:26<DawnLight>which i can use free software on
11:26<mordy>DawnLight :( - i don't have anything portable. i only have a laptop without a screen
11:26<DawnLight>without a screen?
11:27<mordy>and i have another laptop which i'm not replacing with that protege - i just bought it last week
11:27<DawnLight>well, i'll just keep looking
11:28<DawnLight>this portege is slicker than the eee
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11:29<mordy>DawnLight - i smashed the screen - so it's now connected to an external monitor -it's a tiny but good laptop - screen from ebay is $350, but here you would need to order it and price ~NIS2500
11:30<DawnLight>i wonder if i can get a free lappy somewhere
11:30<mordy>i got myself an MSI wind for that prove @ ivory
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11:32<DawnLight>shit, there's that mean new mosquito here
11:32<DawnLight>the one with the white stripes!
11:33<DawnLight>mordy: have you seen those?
11:33<DawnLight>they're a new arrival in israel
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11:34<mordy>hehe, mosquitos? probably not in jerusalem -it's nice and dry here :D
11:35<mordy>brb -restarting X
11:35<DawnLight>these bastards hurt
11:35<DawnLight>here it is!
11:36*DawnLight lurks
11:36<DawnLight>i missed!
11:36<mordy>dawnlight - it probably looks good though :-p
11:38<DawnLight>not the first time i get bit by one
11:38<sheldonh>someone said on channel earlier that lenny is frozen. how would i very that for myself?
11:38<DawnLight>i can actually tell by the bite
11:39<DawnLight>sheldonh: ahm... the release status page
11:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see for the latest (and historical) releases.
11:39<DawnLight>not that
11:39<sheldonh>DawnLight: i wouldn't ask if it was _that_ easy :)
11:40<sheldonh>DawnLight: gonna try debian-devel-announce
11:40<mordy>how do i restart x? ctl-alt-bckspc doesn't do it?
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11:40<sheldonh>how exciting!
11:41<DawnLight>so... how do i set the locale for users when the system default is something else?
11:41<DawnLight>i was told that gdm has an option. kdm seems to not have one
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11:42<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:"
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11:48<Nyaa>Quick question: locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory <- How do I fix this?
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12:08<Nyaa>Probably my last problem: Installing MySQL with utf8 and utf8_general_ci as default. I'd rather not use init-connect or such.
12:08<Nyaa>Are there even .debs for that?
12:08<Nyaa>Debian etch AMD64.
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12:12<Txt_file>nyaa: that sounds for a config
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12:25<Txt_file>iborjas: any problems/questions?
12:25<sheldonh>oh. i thought a colophon was the list of tools/fonts etc used in a publication :(
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12:28<john>is there a command on here to list users in channe;?
12:28<iborjas>i not englis
12:28<sheldonh>isn't it /names #debian?
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12:29<john>ahh i see
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12:30<volt>salut, je voulais savoir le fichier texte qui permet de donner les droits root à un utilisateur
12:30<Nyaa>Txt_file, can you be a little more specific? I haven't really used Debian in specific.
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12:31<tmg1>dpkg: glib
12:31<dpkg>The GLib library of C routines. URL:
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12:32<volt>Sorry, could someone say to me wich is the text file wich permit to give the root's rights to an user
12:32<volt>rootuser or something like that
12:32<volt>where is it please ?
12:33<Nyaa>Oh, never mind.
12:33<Txt_file>nyaa: I don't now ... I don't use mySQL .. sorry
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12:34<volt>ah ? it's a text file (Txt_file lol), we can type in it "USER (ALL=ALL)ALL" or something like that to give him root's rights
12:34<Nyaa>I guess I can always compile it from source...
12:34<tmg1>volt: why would you do such a thing? why not just use root
12:34<Txt_file>volt: /etc/sudoers
12:35<avu>don't edit it directly though
12:35<avu>use visudo
12:35<tmg1>(if you don't mean sudoers)
12:35<volt>ah yes /etc/sudoers it's that, thank you very much
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12:36<tmg1>to step back and go into the perhaps political level, why do people even use sudo? I've rooted boxes because people allow it's use, it seems to me to lower the security of a system down to an almost windows level :(
12:36<tmg1>its use*
12:37<tmg1>does it make more sense on an enterprise level or something?
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12:39<tmg1|hardy>snama: io
12:39<snama>i run debian lenny amd64
12:39<Txt-file_is_away>tmg1|hardy: at my VPS I would never use sudo but at home I am lazy
12:40<snama>and i want to run a 32 bit app
12:40<snama>this app doesnt support 64 bit
12:40<snama>i know there is a way to run in 32 bit mode
12:40<snama>i just dont know how
12:40<Txt-file_is_away>snama: there are different ways ... what appli?
12:40<tmg1|hardy>dpkg: vps
12:40<dpkg>tmg1|hardy: I don't know, could you explain it?
12:40<snama>well its an installer for Alpha Centauri
12:40<snama>if that says much
12:41<snama>its run off cd
12:41<Txt-file_is_away>tmg1|hardy: VPS = virtual private server
12:41<tmg1|hardy>Txt-file_is_away: thanks(just found it) :)
12:42<snama>so whats the best way to do it?
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12:43<Txt-file_is_away>if you want install it use dpkg -i package --force-architecture
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12:44<Txt-file_is_away>snama ^^
12:44<snama>well its not a package
12:45<Txt-file_is_away>snama: tarball?
12:45<snama>its a game that installs with loki installer
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12:46<snama>Alpha centauri
12:46<snama>i run sh
12:46<snama>it tells me it doesnt support glibc on x86-64
12:46<snama>so i must make the app think iam runnin 32 bit
12:46<snama>i guess
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12:47<Txt-file_is_away>then I don't know
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12:47<snama>ok thanks anyway
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12:51<snama>i got it
12:52<snama>i run "linux32 ./whatyouneedhere"
12:52<snama>linux32 before the actual command
12:53<Txt-file_is_away>sname: yeah I also found it
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12:58<volt>plz, what's the name of the command to open the fs's explorator ?
12:59<sheldonh>volt: in what environment? gnome? kde? on console?
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13:07<volt>sheldonh, sry, no it's for ion3, is it possible ?
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13:10<volt>aah found it out, with konqueror
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13:21<abrotman>that made no sense
13:23<volt>do you know a program to open a moovie with a subtitle file in .ass ' format ?
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13:24<fxiny>mplayer kicks any ass :P
13:26<samuel-veyre>fxiny, :-D
13:27<volt>ok lol, i'll try it, but what's the line commande to open a moovie with subtitles, because i'm under ion3 and it doesn't want to open the graphical version :/
13:27<volt>fxiny I try it héhé
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13:28<fxiny>volt: movie abc.avi and sub is ? right, rename
13:29<fxiny>samve as the avi
13:29<fxiny>volt: ion3 ? you like tiling windows managers ?
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13:37<monfis>som tu jacyś polacy
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13:37<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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13:39<monfis> on fredone net is lost
13:40<monfis>I not sean debian canel on this serwer
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13:44<Hideo>if you can ask in English, ask here then
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13:46<monfis>ask in english ? its heawy for me
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13:46<newsense>my grandma speaks polish but she dont run linux
13:47<Hideo>alternatively, most of us run linux but we don't speak polish
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13:48<newsense>i wish i spoke it she stopped speaking english 2 yrs ago and i dont know what shes talking about anymore
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14:07<bighornram>I have a new install but no sound. have run alsaconf but still nothing. what gstreamer plugins should be present
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14:07<abrotman>!alsa checklist
14:07<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
14:08<bighornram>i run psi and set aplay as the sound and nothing
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14:15<josh>how can i make it so that any user can mount a drive? When i sudo mount it, it has strict permissions
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14:20<eljefe>How can I save a TXT file to be openable in Windows? aka I need to proper CR/LF endings, whatever those are...
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14:23<abrotman>dos2unix and unix2dos
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14:24<eljefe>great thank you
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14:38<bighornram>thanks for help with sound, rebooted to 2.6.24 kernel, sound worked, then back to 2.6.25 and nothing. muted/unmuted evrything and works now. :D
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14:41<abrotman>bighornram: that's odd .. but okay
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14:42<bighornram>yea but happy now.
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14:43<Nyaa>Can you give me the name of a nice shell that will just disallow access? Similar to /sbin/nologin for FreeBSD.
14:43<Nyaa>I guess I could make my own but I'm lazy and tired.
14:44<bighornram>point of interest > Second time I've had amd64 lenny installed, selecting LVM letting setup partition to multiple /home /usr etc. / getting 100% full, I think was having 32 bit and 64 bit librarys filled it up.
14:44<bighornram>has this been discussed before?
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14:53<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Is there a way to instantly shut down Linux without pulling the plug since I am too lazy to get up?
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15:01<gass>GhostlyDeath|Laptop, halt as root
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15:05<avu>GhostlyDeath|Laptop, if you really mean 'instantly', echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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15:09<volt>Hi, I have gcc 4.3, how can I do to install gcc4.1 ?
15:10<Txt-file>volt: I am not sure but install 4.1 and then remove 4.3
15:10<petemc>aptitude install gcc-4.1
15:11<petemc>no need to remove anything, you can have different versions installed at the same time
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15:11<petemc>just change the symlink to /usr/bin/gcc to whatever version you need
15:11<volt>oh nice, it's so easy and I searched so long *_*
15:13<volt>there's a problem, when I type 'gcc -v' to know if all is ok it answers gcc command not found
15:14<petemc>ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc
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15:14<petemc>you probably want to install build-essential, as well
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15:16<volt>no, it's because I installed nvidia drivers with the .run, and I dist-upgrade, the problem is that the precompiled kernel was compiled with gcc4.1 and i had 4.3
15:16<volt>but now it's all ok
15:16<volt>thank's for your help I reboot to try the new kernel ^^
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15:21<z>what am i missing
15:21<z>checking for main in -lfreetype... yes
15:21<z>checking for main in -lfontconfig... no
15:21<z>configure: error: == Could not find a required library
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15:22<xsdg>z: `apt-cache search fontconfig dev`
15:22<xsdg>then pick the one that seems reasonable
15:23<xsdg>z: alternately, if you're compilian a debian source package, `apt-get build-dep <pkg>` will install the build dependencies for you
15:23<fob_>is anyone here familiar with tftpd-hpa / LTSP ?
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15:26<volt>sorry, it is me again, but when I try to use the nvidia's .run, it says me that it can't find 'cc', to add 'cc' in my path
15:26<z>xsdg- got rid of that one , what about checking for main in -lfontconfig... yes
15:26<z>checking for main in -lbz2... no
15:27<fob_>is it the latest version of the .run?
15:27<arenax>how can i "boot" my camera under debian
15:27<arenax>web camera *
15:27<xsdg>z: do _exactly the same thing_
15:27<xsdg>z: you should see one that looks like what you want
15:28<xsdg>z: if worst comes to worst, google should know what the library does, and you should be able to match up the name and purpose with some package (provided the requisite library is packaged in debian)
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15:29<volt>fob_, don't know, I'll try with the lastest but I don't think it's the problem, because I just reinstalled gcc for an older version and I made 'ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc'
15:29<z>it was right in front of my face . n/m . thxs
15:29<volt>Like petemc said, I seems to work but the .run says me that problem
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15:32<taurenpride>Hi there. I know this isn't a help channel but can someone suggest a different channel or IRC network to visit for help getting xwindows working on a new debian installation?
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15:33<volt>it isn't a help channel ?
15:33<arenax>this is a help channel .
15:34<volt>I just checked it out, yes it's the lastest version of the .run
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15:36<shze>how can i mount my external hdd after booting with init=/bin/bash on kernel cmd line?
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15:36<irihi>Hey, my keyboard layout wont change and no layout is marked as in use.
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15:37<irihi>is there a way to change keyboardlayout trough a terminal?
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15:41<MreX>$./helloWorld works, but $sh helloWorld doesn't. Why would that be?
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15:42<fob_>volt: it sucks. my .run didn't work after update;upgrade, and the new one did
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15:45<volt>yes but the oder method with the m-a... doesn't work, it always give me a problem, when I fix a problem, there is a second just behind
15:45<Vantage13>hi, i'm having a really weird issue with iceweasel in sid. If I run iceweasel -g it starts and operates fine, if I just run iceweasel it hangs indefinitely. Any ideas?
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15:45<z> main in -lhal what am i missing err
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15:46<Guest450>when i roteate my screen 90 degrees, the result is rotated but is not full screen but scrutched to take up half of the screen
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15:46<z>checking for main in -lhal... no
15:46<volt>I have a problem with Isweasel too, when I type a word it always underlines it like it was misspelled but it isn't
15:47<gravity>z: Install the libhal-dev package
15:47<volt>I installed the dictionnary but it changed nothing
15:47<z>gravity. thxs
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15:54<irihi>I need help changing keyboard layout
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15:58<fob_>irihi: don't ask to ask. just ask.
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16:00<nic1138>Hello, people. I am using linux 2.6.18 without problems, but 2.6.25 is freezing from time to time, specially when I am using X, and specially when I call Mozilla. Icompiled 2.6.26, and it seems the issue persists... Any ideas? Perhaps I should try Xfce? :(
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16:00<irihi>fob_: Wut?
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16:01<gizmokaka>can anyone help me please
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16:02<gizmokaka>my screens turns off after a while but doesn't wake up
16:02<irihi>I need help changin my keyboard layout.
16:02<gizmokaka>when i move mouse or press keyboard. i know it's alive doesn there but can wake it up
16:02<gizmokaka>my only way out seems to be rebooting.
16:03<gizmokaka>i am on a debian etch with updated kernel to version 2.6.25
16:03<gizmokaka>and a fluxbox desktop'
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16:03<seeker96>need to know how to boot into gnome desktop
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16:04<seeker96>or at least how to start it from prompt
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16:05<gizmokaka>seeker96, in your session manager choose the session you want to start to be gnome
16:05<seeker96>command not found
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16:05<seeker96>ok where is session manager i am sort of a newbie
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16:06<gizmokaka>me to, but when you boot you get the login screen, that by default is the gdm if i am not mistaking
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16:06<gizmokaka>there you have a choise down and left on the screen to choose session
16:06<gizmokaka>press that and choose gnome
16:07<seeker96>ok i have debian and dbian single user mode
16:07<gizmokaka>boot into debian regular
16:07<gizmokaka>not single user
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16:08<seeker96>otherwise then i just have a command prompt waiting for login and password
16:08<gizmokaka>BTW, to start a gnome-session from shell type
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16:08<gizmokaka>then login
16:09<gizmokaka>still only prompt?
16:09<seeker96>ok i am logged in still only prompt
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16:09<seeker96>gnome-session also give command not found
16:09<gizmokaka>man gnome-session
16:09<gizmokaka>do you have the manual?
16:09<seeker96>i downloaded and installed gnome is there something else i need to be doing
16:10<gizmokaka>it comes default with the installation
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16:10<seeker96>i loaded 2.6 should i load the newest iso and boot from that disk
16:10<MreX>seeker96, do you have X installed? (else do apt-get install xserver-xorg)
16:11<gizmokaka>wait, you are running from live cd?
16:11<gizmokaka>or did you install a full Debian?
16:11<gravity>Why do people still insist on just trying to install the server?
16:11<seeker96>ok mrex i will apt-get xserver-xorg
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16:12<gizmokaka>well, can anyone help me with my problem?
16:12*gravity sighs and goes back to other things
16:12<MreX>seeker96, rather apt-get install xorg
16:12<seeker96>gizmokak not from live cd i have installed from cd
16:12<MreX>lol gravity
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16:12<gizmokaka>seeker96, how come it's not a full installation that includes the gnome desktop?
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16:14<mastroquet>gizmokaka: it's only a matter of choice, you don't have to install gnome, do you?
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16:17<seeker96>I will be back later tonight. thanks guys.
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16:17<abrotman>gizmokaka: you can turn off DPMS
16:17<Nyaa>Hmm. My mongrels aren't installing properly, it seems.
16:17<fob_>is anyone here familiar with tftpd-hpa / LTSP ?
16:17<mastroquet>irihi: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
16:18<Nyaa>mongrel_rails and mongrel_cluster_ctl binaries cannot be found. (Yes, I did hash -r and all that.)
16:18<Nyaa>Well, "scripts", not binaries.
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16:19<mastroquet>irihi: and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, too
16:19<Nyaa>Maybe ln -s and chmod +x is enough...
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16:53<lucas_amorim>hello, the new iceweasel 3.0 that was installed during the last lenny update defaults to "work offline" when I launched. How can I solve this problem?
16:53<lucas_amorim>*when I launched it
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16:59<miksuh>lucas_amorim: weird, it does not do that on my computer...
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17:01<chattr>lucas_amorim: in your address bar, type about:config
17:01<chattr>then search for online
17:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 374] by debhelper
17:02<chattr>then right mouse click on ' ' and select toggle o make it ' true '
17:02<chattr>*to make
17:02<lucas_amorim>; true
17:02<lucas_amorim>it was already true
17:02<chattr>? it already is ' true ' ?
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17:03<chattr>sorry, then. that's supposed to work.
17:03<miksuh>atleast here iceweasel 3 works just fine on both my lenny computers
17:03<miksuh>don't know what's happening in your computer...
17:04<lucas_amorim>also, in my /home/lucas/.mozilla/firefox/9p9*.default/prefs.js
17:04<lucas_amorim>there is a work offline line which is set to false
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17:05*chattr is away: I'm busy
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17:05<lucas_amorim>more precisely: user_pref("browser.offline", false);
17:06<lucas_amorim>I don't know why its happening
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17:06<miksuh>lucas_amorim: and "file->work offline" is not set? I mean in ixeweasel menu
17:07<lucas_amorim>but it is not happening only in my machine, it is also happening in my girlfriend's machine and in this guy's:
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17:08<lucas_amorim>miksuh: yeahh, but I have to click it every time I lauch the application!
17:08<lucas_amorim>miksuh: like I said: work offline is default
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17:11<qq>remove and reinstall that
17:11<miksuh>You try to rename ~/.mozilla folder to something else
17:11<miksuh>if that helps then there is something wrong in your config files
17:11<miksuh>You could try
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17:14<Fosco999>What is the path of the kernel for debian?
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17:16<miksuh>Fosco999: /boot
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17:24<z>how can i find out more about what graphics card i have
17:24<gravity>z: The /var/log/Xorg.0.log has a fair amount of info
17:24<gravity>z: The manpage for your driver also
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17:25<Fosco999>z, lspci -n
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17:33<nextime>hello, is there any know issue on iceweasel + mozilla-vlc-plugin both latest packages in sid? i'm trying to install the vlc plugin, but it won't work, also in about:plugins it isn't listed at all
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17:33<nextime>on the bugtracking page for the package i can't see nothing about this issue
17:34<nextime>on others sid i'm using, upgraded to latest packages, the plugin is working good, only on a "fresh installed" system isn't working
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17:37<nextime>same thing also for mplayer plugin
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17:40<jimisrvrox>how would I install firefox on linux?
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17:41<jimisrvrox>i downloaded it from mozilla but idk how to install it after i unzipped it into the firefox folder
17:41<RaZa>in debian it's called iceweasel
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17:41<dpkg>iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
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17:42<jimisrvrox>yeah but iceweasal isnt letting me install addons like it should
17:42<jimisrvrox>I clicked on the add to firefox and it just sits there and does nothing
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17:42<themill>which add-on and from what website?
17:42<jimisrvrox>so I want FF3 or Iceweasal 3 or whatever
17:43<jimisrvrox>from mozilla
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17:43<themill>works for me
17:44<jimisrvrox>well I finally got it to work too but its not instantaneous like it would be on winblows so im thinking ok maybe its just iceweasal
17:44<jimisrvrox>but is there a v3 iceweasal that would have coincided with FF3?
17:44<themill>they're the same
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17:45<weasel>jimisrvrox: WEASEL. W E A S _EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_ L. __NOT__ WEAS _A_ L.
17:45<themill>jimisrvrox: yes, it's already in debian.
17:45<weasel>jimisrvrox: thank you.
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17:45<Lounge>michAEL jackson not michEAL jackson :P
17:46<Hideo>weasel: another variation of that that irates me is, kernal instead of kernel
17:46<jimisrvrox>POS doesnt want to install now! grrr
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17:46<weasel>Hideo: normaly I wouldn't mind, but I have a hilight on weas_a_l for people who can't spell. and I have an ignore on iceweasel. now iceweasel misspellt is horribly.
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17:47<Lounge>i like colonel better :D
17:47<Hideo>I see
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17:51<Lounge>i have a few luks encryoted dvds i burned - will i be abled to play them on another linux machine with luks?
17:52<Lounge>i'll just assume so then
17:52<nextime>i don't really understand why on a machine of 3 mplayer and vlc plugins won't be loaded in iceweasel
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17:55<nextime>libraries are ok, about:config is ok, plugins path is ok, permissions are ok, but vlc plugin isn't loaded.
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17:55<nextime>anyone can suggest something to check?
17:57<abrotman>check the bts ?
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17:58<nextime>abrotman : already done, none on this issue
17:58<nextime>but the strange thing is that on other 2 machines with the same version of packages... it work.
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17:59<abrotman>try with a new user
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17:59<caffn>Hi =)
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18:01<nextime>new clean user, same thing
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18:02<nextime>i have just 2 plugin: flash and vlc.
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18:02<nextime>flash is listed on about:plugins, vlc no.
18:03<nextime>saame thing if i change vlc with mplayer
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18:18<GyrosGeier>I need help with a RAID
18:19<GyrosGeier>specifically, a raid6 with (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, failed, failed, 5)
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18:20<GyrosGeier>is there any way I can start that up in degraded mode so at least I can get to the data?
18:21<nextime>it is the flash-nonfree plugin
18:21<nextime>removed flash, vlc and mplayer plugins are ok
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18:32<jimisrvrox>this shit sucks.
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19:09<mike>How does one access sys info in Gnome?
19:09<mike>ok ok read the wiki...,
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20:16<PMT>World, I'm maintaining a package in git, and I don't understand the Right Way to update the package to a new upstream version.
20:17<PMT>[I don't mean in debian/control, to be clear.]
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20:18<PMT>Could anyone point me in the right direction?
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20:19<e_gamonal>hi, i'm having trouble with broadcom and its firmware for debian and 2.6.24-1-686
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21:19<gsimmons>e_gamonal: What specific trouble are you experiencing?
21:19<e_gamonal>gsimmons, thanks, but it now detects some connections
21:20<e_gamonal>now my trouble has became wifi-radar instead of firmware
21:20<e_gamonal>i can't connect to my own router
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22:16<joshua>hey is there a program that will scan a windows drive and look for viruses by chance?
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22:21<abrotman>clam-av maybe
22:22<dpkg>hmm... ubcd is or and a version full of windows tools
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22:22<gravity>He already left
22:23<abrotman>oh well
22:23<e_gamonal>i clicked on "roaming mode" in gnome-network-admin, and now i can't uncheck that box
22:23<e_gamonal>if I do, "Accept" button becomes inactive
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22:32<e_gamonal>that's desperating
22:32<e_gamonal>5h trying to make wifi work
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22:40<e_gamonal>hi mydeb
22:40<mydeb>i have problem, at bios my server detect 8gb ram install, but when running debian 4 installation it only detect 2.5gb ram only
22:40<e_gamonal>install linux-image-yourKernel-bigmem
22:41<mydeb>ok i give a try..
22:42<mydeb>does anyone install with promise sata raid ?
22:42<mydeb>seem bit problem with the driver
22:42<e_gamonal>no idea
22:42<e_gamonal>it's my 5th hour spent in a wifi connection and a bug seems to have destroyed everything i had improved
22:43<mydeb>does kernel 2.6.25 stables ?
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22:48<lucas_amorim>Hello, since the new kernel updated to lenny (2.6.25-2-686) has got support to XEN, I cant install my nvidia drivers, so I was thinking about compiling the original latest kernel from
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22:49<lucas_amorim>I remember someone here once guided me around the process and I was able to compile it, make a package using kernel-package and install using dpkg...
22:50<lucas_amorim>but I don't remember the details, could someone please give me instructions or point me an easy documentation?
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22:54<lucas_amorim>Also, I was wondering If could not download the debian package (which already come with debian patches) linux-source-2.6.25 and just disable XEN suport
22:54<lucas_amorim>is that possible?
22:54<lucas_amorim>what is more recommended?
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23:13<seeker96>ok i am back. i used the netinst and started with installgui
23:13<seeker96>when i got to the download additional apps instead just core it ran out of space
23:13<seeker96>i have a gig hard drive
23:14<seeker96>question is how do i get gnome desktop to appear at boot
23:14<seeker96>can you see me now
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23:15<snogglethorpe>I just installed debian on my new machine, and there's weird behaviro that I haven't seen on other installations:
23:16<snogglethorpe>basically, during a normal boot, it very quickly switches to a graphic mode and runs gdm/X etc
23:16<snogglethorpe>I mean _really_ quickly, it seems like only one second after grub runs the kernel
23:16<snogglethorpe>this mostly ok, but ... the problem is when it does this, I get _no_ normal console terminals!
23:17<snogglethorpe>If there's a "problem", e.g., the disks need to be fscked, then it boots "normally", and I get console terminals
23:17<snogglethorpe>it still runs gdm/X eventually, but I can switch back to a console using the normal Ctl-Alt-0 or whatever
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23:18<snogglethorpe>[whereas in the "super quick X" case, I _can't_ switch to a console, because there don't seem to be any]
23:18<snogglethorpe>anyone have any idea what's going on?
23:19<seeker96>i have the exact opposite i do not have a gnome desktop environment just command prompt how do i get to it
23:19<snogglethorpe>I'd really like to have some linux consoles available
23:19<snogglethorpe>seeker96: did you do the "desktop machine" option in the initial task-select during installation?
23:20<adiction>Hello, I can't install my linux driver, I have a laptop inpiron 6400
23:20<seeker96>no because it loaded so many packets my 1 gig hd ran out of space
23:20<snogglethorpe>seeker96: hmm
23:20<snogglethorpe>seeker96: you obviously need at lest X and gnome-core
23:20<adiction>sorry is inspiron 6400
23:21<snogglethorpe>[well you could get by with less, but those are starting points]
23:21<adiction>my wireless card is 3945 abg of intel
23:21<seeker96>at that point i checked webserver and desktop and unchecke system and it ran out of space
23:21<snogglethorpe>seeker96: hmm so you've got to be picky
23:21<snogglethorpe>seeker96: how m uch space do you have left now?
23:22<seeker96>my question now is i did an apt-get to install gnome but do not know how to get it to open at boot
23:22<gsimmons>!tell adiction -about ipw3945
23:22<snogglethorpe>seeker96: install "gdm"
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23:23<seeker96>ok i am on my upstairs cpu and the one i am loading is downstairs will be there later will you still be on?
23:23<snogglethorpe>seeker96: oh, also
23:24<snogglethorpe>you need "xserver-xorg"
23:24<snogglethorpe>I think gdm recommends it but not entirely sure
23:24<seeker96>after i install gdm and xserver-xorg then will it boot up in desktop?
23:24<adiction>gsimmons : were install the module ipw3945 on my etch, but not working my wireless card
23:24<snogglethorpe>seeker96: I think so
23:25<seeker96>ok i will try that in a little while and maybe be back on for more questions. thanks
23:26<adiction>gsimmons: I try with you tell me. ok
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23:30<snogglethorpe>nwerneck: using bitlbee, eh... ? :-)
23:30<nwerneck>yay :) I'm getting used to bitchx's windows...
23:31<nwerneck>using bitlbee from IRC is bringing me back the joy of life...
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23:32<adiction>rebooting my system I m back
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23:33<snogglethorpe>nwerneck: somehow annoys my gf though, who blames bitlbee every time I don't answer her quickly...
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23:40<AMD_>curious...any news on what's up with XO ?
23:40<AMD_>other than they're down ;)
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23:45<AMD_>telecom company
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23:46<snogglethorpe>i guess that would be locale-dependent :-)
23:46<AMD_>seems they had some trouble least in the states
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