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00:00<snogglethorpe>that gives kbps or whatever
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00:01<sejje>yeah, i suppose i found that.
00:02<sejje>i updated my DNS to opendns servers
00:02<sejje>but still taking forever.
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00:03<sejje>in kbits/second, my peak was 103 (normally 70kB)
00:03<sejje>so i dont know.
00:03<snogglethorpe>sejje: why do you think it has antyhing to do with dns?
00:03<snogglethorpe>sejje: dns shouldn't affect your throughput on a single connection...
00:04<sejje>i thought maybe the delay was dns-related
00:04<sejje>because it actually isn't terribly slow after the intial wait
00:04<sejje>however, the wait is still long after stuff should be in the cache
00:04<sejje>like a 2nd page on the same website still takes a while
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00:05<snogglethorpe>sejje: from your descip it sounds like the interface is just generally doglike
00:05<sejje>could be
00:05<snogglethorpe>sejje: what does ifconfig/iwconfig/wahtever say?
00:05<sejje>i think it's some hack of a driver
00:05<snogglethorpe>e.g. speed, error count, etc
00:06<sejje>RX packets:6900 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
00:06<sejje>Bit Rate=54 Mb/s
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00:07<snogglethorpe>sejje: I suspect that bit rate has nothing to do with reality... :-)
00:07<sejje>i'd agree.
00:07<sejje>yeah, i mean, i don't know. i'm 2 feet from the router, so it's not connectivity issues
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00:09<sejje>Link Quality:64/100 Signal level:-55 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm
00:09<sejje>those good/bad?
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00:10<sejje>either way, i have the invulnerable fallback: it works great in windows
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00:35<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
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01:06<sejje_>if i start X, and then try to switch back to another tty, they're all blank. same if i close X.
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01:21<milhouse>i'm having quite a bit of trouble and i was wondering if anyone could help out
01:21<sejje_>i probably can't, but you can ask
01:21<milhouse>i have a compaq nx9110 laptop
01:21<sejje_>i think most everyone else is sleeping.
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01:22<milhouse>and im trying to get my wireless to work
01:22<milhouse>and i got the right drivers and ndis
01:22<sejje_>hey, wireless is like my forte, i spent soooo long working on mine earlier
01:22<milhouse>but when i do the -l it tells me that the drives there but no hardware
01:22<sejje_>you might have to force it
01:23<sejje_>with umm
01:23<cahoot>why are you so sure you need ndis?
01:23<sejje_>do you know the device id? (probably in lspci)
01:23<milhouse>no im a noob
01:23<milhouse>i followed a guide for the laptop
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01:24<milhouse>hold ill link
01:24<sejje_>well, run lspci and look for it, it's something like 0BDA:8197
01:24<s0ren>is there a guide somewhere for making a wireless connection work?
01:24<sejje_>and then i had to run ndiswrapper -d 0BDA:8197 drivername (drivername being what shows up in ndiswrapper -l)
01:25<milhouse>ill try that real quick
01:25<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah.
01:25<gsimmons>!tell s0ren -about wlan howto
01:25<sejje_>hrm, that didn't help.
01:25<milhouse>im trying now brb
01:26<cahoot>gsimmons: hi - seems cpufreq works out of the box with
01:26<cahoot>on T61
01:28<gsimmons>cahoot: Good to know. You weren't required to force the issue by modifiying ignore_ppc in /sys (etc), when only on AC power?
01:28<milhouse>when i did the lspci
01:28<cahoot>but /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc has a (to me strange) value of 4294967295
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01:28<milhouse>i got this
01:28<milhouse>02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
01:28<cahoot>gsimmons: no - the kernel parm gets rejected
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01:29<gsimmons>milhouse: There's a native driver available for your chipset.
01:29<gsimmons>!tell milhouse -about madwifi
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01:33<cahoot>I'm off to work
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01:43<dsl_>Im trying to make wireless connection work. inb my connection properties I see the signal strength as 80+% but still I cannot connect anywhere...
01:44<dsl_>i also seem to have an ip address and everything but nothing works
01:44<sejje>dsl_: can you ping the router?
01:45<dsl_>router? I'm on a campus and I'm not actually sure what ip the router has....
01:45<dsl_>how do i find out?
01:45<sejje>what's the ip it gave you?
01:45<sejje>try ping
01:46<blarson>dsl_: netstat -rn will show your gateway
01:46<dsl_>i can ping that one
01:46<EmleyMoor>Blimey, the size of my partner's Windows box now...
01:47<sejje>dsl_: maybe someone else knows better, but I think it's setup fine and probably the router needs reset or isn't getting out
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01:47<sejje>dsl_:however you might need to update DNS servers? just a guess.
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01:47<milhouse>real quick question, How do i save files in KWrite as root
01:47<dsl_>where can i check if i need to update DNS servers?
01:47<milhouse>cause its not letting me save it again
01:48<sejje>dsl_: try setting them in network-admin
01:48<EmleyMoor>milhouse: From within kwrite, you probably don't - save it somewhere you can then become root, mv, chown and chmod the file as necessary
01:48<sejje>milhouse: or use a command line editor like pico or nano
01:48<sejje>(as root)
01:49<dsl_>in network admin the DSN servers are the same as for the fixed connection
01:50<sejje>dsl_: you're beyond my help, sry. it sounds fine to me, besides the not-working part.
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01:50<sejje>i must go to bed anyhow.
01:50<EmleyMoor>dsl_: Can you ping a known IP outside?
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01:50<dsl_>no. i try google all the time but to no avail
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01:50<dsl_>oh you mean use the ip directly
01:50<EmleyMoor>dsl_: What does host say?
01:51<sejje-zzzz>dsl_: yeah, but do you try or
01:51<dsl_>i tried both now. same result
01:51<dsl_>host times out
01:52<EmleyMoor>What is the actual result?
01:52<dsl_>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
01:52<EmleyMoor>Is that using the "host" command?
01:53<EmleyMoor>That sounds like you can't reach DNS servers
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01:58<dsl_>also, for some reason i have 3 connections in network settings... 2 ethernet and one wireless
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03:48<chuy_max>can I shutdown my PC from console without root permission?, I could add shutdown to sudoers, but there must be another way, I mean, GNOME shuts down the PC without entering a root password
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03:49<buffoon_work>chuy_max, gnome uses gdm for that
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03:49<buffoon_work>i personally use sudo for that
03:49<buffoon_work>sudo halt; sudo reboot and stuff
03:50<chuy_max>buffoon_work, ok, so do you know if I can call dbus or whatever to shut it down from console?, I need the command because I am using anyremote to control my PC with my cellphone
03:50<chuy_max>I wanted to know if there is another way without making use of sudo
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03:50<chuy_max>I will shutdown the PC with my cell phone
03:52<buffoon_work>i guess there is, but it's been awhile that i did that and i wasn't that happy with other solutions afair but i'm sorry, i can't remember them exactly
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03:54<jm_>chuy_max: read ACCESS CONTROL section in man 8 shutdown
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03:56<chuy_max>roger that
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03:59<jm_>that way you could add a key combo to do the job or modify existing ctrl-alt-del one
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03:59<Knight_Lord>Is there any way to view Microsoft Word equation in Linux?
04:00<Knight_Lord>I tried with openoffice 2.4.1 without much luck
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04:03<buffoon_work>Knight_Lord, if that doesn't work i guess it is a ooxml file (Office 2007) try searching a plugin to read that
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04:05<Knight_Lord>buffoon_work it kinda works but not completely
04:05<Knight_Lord>a few of the symbols come out as squares
04:06<Knight_Lord>buffoon_work it's not ooxml
04:06<buffoon_work>maybe you have to install some fonts then
04:06<buffoon_work>or the encoding is wrong
04:07<Knight_Lord>if i double click on then they improve a bit but not completely
04:08<buffoon_work>did you try changing the font?
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04:09<Knight_Lord>IT's an equation i can't change the font
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04:18<buffoon_work>ah, so maybe you should ask/discover which font gets used and try to install that
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04:50<kess>guys i need some help about nvidia original drivers on debian etch
04:50<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia.
04:51<kess>i'll see 10x
04:51<rms>the bot tricks us. a #nvidia channel does not exist :(
04:52<cogwheel>it does, but on freenode
04:52<Baggy2>Anyone familiar with the CodeSourcery toolchain? I need to extend it with one additional tool that needs to be run on the windows host and update an crosscompiled executable..
04:52<themill>dpkg: nvidia =~ s/#nvidia/#nvidia on
04:53<kess>just 1 question, why my nvidia drivers are working great after installation, but after reboot Xserver can't start?
04:53<kess>so i have to run installation again
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04:53<kess>just to get in internet
04:53<themill>kess how are you installing them?
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04:54<themill>!why nvidia installer sucks
04:54<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>.
04:54<rms>kess: and you allow the nvidia installer to modify your xorg.conf?
04:54<kess>i modified it by myself
04:54<kess>changed nv to nvidia
04:54<kess>i run drivers under root
04:55<kess>so yes it can change xorg.conf
04:55<aniki>ahoi. say if i want my mouse (i.e. touchpad on old lappi) to go faster but all the regulators for speed and sensitivity are to the max, how would i proceed to make it faster? :)
04:56<jm_>aniki: what does 'xset q|grep accel' say?
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04:56<aniki>axceleration 6/1 threshold:10
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04:59<eporim>hi all
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05:01<jm_>then it should be fast enough
05:01<eporim>i have a question i looked for in google without luck: what should i do to force apt-get to always ask me wheter to install or no like if it found some deps?
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05:01<aniki>... well thats the problem .. it isnt .. i have to grab like twenty times to get over a screen
05:03<Wesley>why wouldn't "rm *.wmv" work ?
05:04<eporim>Wesley: ls *.wmv works?
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05:04<Wesley>oh, no it doesn't eporim
05:04<eporim>so why should rm works?
05:05<eporim>you have no *.wmv file in $PWD
05:05<Wesley>there are over 800 wmv files inside that directory
05:05<eporim>ls |grep '\.wmv' show them?
05:05<jm_>hmm no idea really, perhaps try changing it with xset
05:05<weasel>find -name '*.wmv' -print0 | xargs -0 --no-run-if-empty rm -v
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05:06<Wesley>mm maybe something in my bashcr
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05:06<Wesley>nope thats not it either.
05:06<aniki>jm_, how would i do that? especially which ones ?accel mult or accel div ? yes, newbie here and fucking frustrated that my mouse wont work
05:06<weasel>Wesley: 1) you are not pasting the error message
05:06<eporim>if the grep or find works, it is your bash conf
05:07<weasel>Wesley: 2) if your problem is what I think it is then you have a second problem: you are not reading what I write.
05:07<Wesley>ls: invalid option -- y
05:07<weasel>rm -- *.wmv
05:07<Wesley>error output from the "ls *.wmv" command.
05:07<weasel>same with ls. ls -- *.wmv
05:07<jm_>aniki: just 'xset m 3 5' for example
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05:08<Wesley>mm that works indeed weasel. why does rm *.wmv work on other debian systems?
05:08<weasel>one of your files starts with a -
05:08<eporim>could be that some .wmv file start with -, but i remembered it wasn't important with *-expansion, i remembered wrong
05:08<aniki>ah fuck .. i should rtfm the WHOLE m ... thank you
05:08<eporim>another way: ./*.wmv
05:08<Wesley>ahh, I get it. thanks :)
05:08<eporim>some program doesn't understand --
05:08<Wesley>it's also in the man file I read now :<
05:12<aniki>jm_, i tried the xset off up to 200 in value... still no change at all
05:12<jm_>aniki: which value?
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05:12<aniki>second and/or first
05:13<aniki>no change at all o.o
05:13<jm_>don't make the second 200, it should also be enough to pass just one, say 1.5 or 2
05:15<aniki>hate to say it doesnt do jackshit but .. yeah ...
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05:23*aniki sighs
05:23<aniki>!tell me a joke
05:23<dpkg>coffee is probably the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation,, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes
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05:30<jm_>then I have no idea - is this a regular mouse?
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05:35<aniki>no, touchpad on an old laptop
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05:36<jm_>which driver is it using?
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05:37<aniki>how would i find out?
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05:37<jm_>check X logfile
05:38<aniki>^^' how
05:38<jm_>it's a text file
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05:38<jm_>in /var/log/Xorg*
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05:40<tr0ll>hi. i have some trouble with usb-hdd. it's read-only and the performance is awfull. anyone ?
05:41<pumpkin0>tr0ll: wirte is better ?
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05:43<tr0ll>hm ? - i'm a newbie remember :)
05:44<tr0ll>please see this
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05:45<phrhd>hi there, could anyone give me a little help on downgrading iceweasel in lenny?
05:47<phrhd>my first concerning that would be: what was the last version of iceweasel 2 in lenny?
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05:48<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : how do i remount to write ?
05:48<amphi>tr0ll: is it mounted ro, or do you merely not have write permissions?
05:48<pumpkin0>tr0ll: is it formated in NTFS ?
05:48<themill>phrhd: there are no versions of iceweasel 2 in lenny
05:49<phrhd>not anymore?
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05:49<phrhd>there certainly wre
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05:49<phrhd>i was using them, if i remember correctly
05:49<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : its ntfs yes.. and i do have all the permissions
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05:50<pumpkin0>tr0ll: OK, run as root: "hdparm -t /dev/sd<USB-drive>"
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05:50<themill>phrhd: yes, that was before iceweasel 3 entered lenny
05:51<phrhd>okay, so where can i get iceweasel 2 now?
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05:51<themill>phrhd: etch
05:52<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : i got : Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 4.38 seconds = 934.25 kB/sec
05:52<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : that's terrible :P
05:52<szbalint>Hello. After I've dist-upgraded sid yesterday I can't seem to start any terminals (gnome-terminal complains that it cannot fork a child process, xterm simply doesn't start). Known problem/fix?
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05:52<pumpkin0>tr0ll: do you have that problem with all USB devices or just this one?
05:52<phrhd>ok, but mixning distros in the apt sources list can lead to breaking the system
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05:53<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : only this device connected..
05:53<phrhd>could i just set the etch repository for the iceweasel package explicitly?
05:53<themill>phrhd: If you want the latest and greatest, run testing. If you want old stable and tested, run stable.
05:53<pumpkin0>tr0ll: it looks like the USB is running 1.1 and not in the faster 2.0 mode.
05:54<pumpkin0>tr0ll: maybe the PC is so old it does not have USB 2.0 or something big went wrong with the driver.
05:54<phrhd>@themill: it's not that black and white, really
05:54<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : gotta check the mainboard then and see if it's 2.0 capable :)
05:54<themill>phrhd: it is in debian
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05:54<tr0ll>tr0ll : any quick way to do that ?
05:54<phrhd>i want to run testing for a couple of reasons, but iceweasel 3 just doesn't do the job
05:55<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : any quick way to check that 2.0 capability
05:55<themill>phrhd: what are these "couple of reasons"?
05:55*themill is sick of complaining that etch is "too old" and now has "lenny is too new" to add to the chorus
05:55<pumpkin0>tr0ll: as root: "lspci | grep USB"
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05:56<phrhd>newer software, basically
05:56<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : crap.. 00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1a)
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05:56<pumpkin0>tr0ll: nothing at all with EHCI ?
05:57<phrhd>not just because it's new, but becuse of more features and stuff
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05:57<themill>phrhd: well there you go... you've got iceweasel 3. that's newer
05:57<phrhd>for example, my soundcard won't work so easily in etch
05:58<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : it's an old fileserver you see :) looks like i gotta get a new m\b
05:58<pumpkin0>tr0ll: get a USB 2.0 PCI card. costa like 20$ and sloves the problem.
05:58<aniki>jm_, could this be the driver: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/ ?
05:58<jm_>aniki: yeah that's regular mouse driver
05:59<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : yeah - small investment.
05:59<aniki>tells me theres a synapics touchpad there too
05:59<phrhd>i mean, after all, it doesn't seem to be such a big problem to downgrade that piece of software
05:59<pumpkin0>tr0ll: and do not expect too much from a USB drive. Usually USB 2.0 drives are limited to 20-25MB/s and have a very high latency.
06:00<tr0ll>pumpkin0 : just moving a few files back and forth :)
06:00<pumpkin0>tr0ll: and writing on NTFS can be tricky. Move to FAT if possible.
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06:01<phrhd>doesn't debian provide an archive with older package versions for the respective distribution (like if i browser differen versions of a program on
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06:03<dpkg>snapshots is probably an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
06:03<themill>phrhd: ^^ but be aware that you won't be getting security updates
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06:05<phrhd>yes i am aware of that
06:06<phrhd>i mean, downgrading and pinning iceweasel is just a transitional solution for me
06:06<phrhd>of course i want to move to version 3. but not until it really works
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06:08<themill>phrhd: the version that you have currently in lenny is highly likely to be the version that is released with lenny. If you want changes, you must absolutely file bugs (/msg dpkg reportbug) and preferably also submit patches.
06:08<phrhd>but isn't that "firefox" 3 RC 2??
06:09<phrhd>how can you realease an rc version in a stable distribution?
06:09<themill>phrhd: there were no changes
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06:10<themill>a release candidate is after all supposed to be releasable
06:10<dpkg>hmm... ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch>
06:12<phrhd>but i am having severe problems using tor eith the new iceweasel
06:13<phrhd>it just does not seem to render any page with tor (or just take forever)
06:13<eporim>i reask the question i asked >1hr ago: is there a way to force apt-get to always show the confirmation prompt (like it shows it when there is some dep to install)?
06:13<phrhd>i think so
06:14<phrhd>did you try man apt-get?
06:14<eporim>and i googled to
06:14<phrhd>i really think there is that possibility
06:14<phrhd>maybe this can be set in the /etc/apt/preferences file?
06:15<eporim>i think the file should be apt.conf or similar
06:15<eporim>but i cannot find anything bout such an optiobn
06:15<phrhd>no idea
06:16<themill>eporim: apt-get makes the assumption that when you say "apt-get install foo" that you actually want it.
06:16<eporim>i just would like to know the space needed for the things to install before to install, but with simulate apt-get doesn't print space needed
06:16<phrhd>apt-get install [app] -s
06:16<phrhd>doesn't that show this?
06:16<eporim>phrhd: as i wrote, doesn't print the space needed, that is the thing i need
06:17<eporim>themill: yes, but i would like to know the space needed before to actually install, i'm on a low-space device :\
06:17<phrhd>apt-get show?
06:17<phrhd>apt-cache show...
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06:18<phrhd>but that shows the size of the package, right?
06:18<themill>eporim: apt-cache show foo will tell you that. or use the -s option (simulate) or use the aptitude curses front end
06:18<eporim>i was already trying apt-get show to know it doesn't exist, i try apt-cache
06:18<phrhd>apt-cache show is the correct name
06:19<themill>eporim: there's an Installed-Size field in apt-cache show
06:19<phrhd>ah...nice to know that
06:20<jm_>aniki: synaptic has synclient for configuration doesn't it?
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06:20<phrhd>but once back to iceweasel
06:20<aniki>i have no idea. i will look..
06:21<phrhd>wouldn't it be possible to run 2 diffrent versions of that browser?
06:21<phrhd>i know that ies4linux can install several versions of IE on you system (for web design testing)
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06:23<phrhd>i mean, i certainly would have to change the directories and stuff, kind of like i did for running 2 privoxy instances
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06:26<eporim>i don't remember who did the last suggestion but only aptitude -s install seems to be the right solution
06:26<eporim>as i said: apt-get -s doesn't show sizes
06:26<themill>phrhd: debian's package management system only allows you to have one version of any package installed. Since iceweasel 2 and iceweasel 3 were both in the iceweasel (no version) package, you can't without making a chroot. Perhaps that would be useful for you -- look at schroot package
06:27<eporim>and apt-cache show doesn't automatically add all the sizes of depends needed
06:27<eporim>maybe themill, so tnx themill for the aptituted tip, i did not know it
06:27<aniki>jm_, i'll try tpconfig
06:28<themill>eporim: apt-cache doesn't add up the sizes for you, but apt-get would have asked you anyway
06:28<phrhd>maybe i should rather fight with iceweasel 3 a bit and get that to work....
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06:29<themill>that would be easier :) there are reports that disabling ipv6 in iceweasel can unbreak it on certain setups. Might be applicable to you
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06:31<phrhd>okay, i think that is the way to go. i really goota get off working with galeon
06:31<phrhd>(i can't even tell it not to send referers)
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06:34<jm_>iceweasel has a setting for sending referrer
06:34<aniki>argh... i can only change tap settings with that
06:34<phrhd>galeon too
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06:35<phrhd>but if it just doesn't let you, that sucks... :)
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06:36<phrhd>now, in iceweasel 3 i have one real problem:
06:36<szbalint>Trying to start xterm gives me error 32: get_pty not enough ptys
06:37<phrhd>@szbalint: concerning galeon?
06:38<szbalint>For some reason yesterday's dist-upgrade messed some things up and I'm trying to pick up the pieces now
06:38<szbalint>devpts is mounted
06:38<phrhd>what are you using?
06:38<phrhd>okay, no idea about that, honestly
06:39<phrhd>does anyone know an irc channel deicated to iceweasel?
06:40<eporim>themill: apt-get asks you to install only if there are depends, but i cannot know before if there are depends needed so i should write sudo -s apt-get install something and then without -s if there are depends or apt-cache show if there aren't; for sure it's very simpler this aptitude -sy install (i think apt-get -s install too should have the sizes, however, maybe will file a feature request)
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06:41<themill>eporim: you probably should use aptitude anyway...
06:42<themill>!why aptitude
06:42<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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06:43<phrhd>i have been trying to access for several times now and it just did not render the page although the connection could be established
06:44<jm_>szbalint: how many are in use then?
06:44<eporim>themill: good to know that it would remove unneeded dep, but it is very annoying for me and i cannot see any optional argument to disable it, is it possible to disable this behaviour?
06:45<szbalint>jm_: how do I check?
06:45<themill>eporim: disable what?
06:45<eporim>the autoremoving
06:45<jm_>szbalint: you should really not be using sid if such things are not familiar to you -- ls /dev/pts
06:45<themill>dpkg: tell eporim about unmarkauto
06:46<themill>eporim: did dpkg tell you something or is it misbehaving?
06:46<szbalint>jm_: ah, you mean that -- the dir is empty
06:46<jm_>szbalint: is it mounted at all?
06:47<Baggy2>I've written a program that opens an executable, searches for a string and inserts some data at that position using memcopy. I need to do this on linux executables from within Windows, but there seems to be a problem. I find the string and data gets inserted, but when my app try to read the data, it fails.. any suggestions?
06:47<szbalint>jm_: yes
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06:47<eporim>themill: dpkg didn't tell anything, but i cannot understand what unmarkauto has to do with removing unneeded deps with install
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06:48<themill>eporim: unmarkauto marks the package as one that you actually want so then aptitude will not try to automatically remove it.
06:48<themill>dpkg: ping
06:49<jm_>szbalint: try to strace it to find out where it fails then
06:49<phrhd>okay, update: the problem with torcheck was due to torbutton
06:49<phrhd>i set the prefs manually in the ff config dialog and it works...
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06:52<szbalint>jm_: strace just indicates what the error message already says: xterm cannot find a free pty, so it does with error 32. I wonder why there is nothing in /dev/pty though
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06:53<jm_>szbalint: no it should show exactly where it fails in terms of system calls, you can also try ltrace if it works
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06:57<Baggy2>is elf the default binary format on debian etch?
06:58<szbalint>jm_: ah yeah, you were right! /dev/ptmx didn't have the right permissions for some reason. I have no idea how and why that changed with a dist-upgrade though
06:58<jm_>szbalint: udev?
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07:03<vizor>hi people!
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07:03<oleg>get me pls u apt sources.list i have debian 4 etch
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07:03<vizor>anybody know when kde4.1 will be appeared in unstable?
07:04<themill>vizor: probably not until after lenny releases
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07:04<vizor>ohhhh..... so long....
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07:04<dpkg>methinks siyh is Sooner If You Help. How?
07:05<szbalint>jm_: yeah. I'm not seeing any bugreports so it might just be some weird issue with my system.
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07:07<phrhd>question about apt-get purge
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07:08<phrhd>can i tell the program to kill down all .[whatever] folder in my home directory that belong to it when it uninstalls an application?
07:09<phrhd>i mean, uninstalling galeon erases .galeon and so on...
07:09<phrhd>that possible?
07:10<jm_>it should never touch the files it doesn't own
07:10<padski>phrhd, normally those would be left behind.
07:10<jm_>but yes it's possible in theory
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07:10<eporim>themill: after reading the README in See also i understand more of the "auto" marks (why did they hide SO much info not writing directly in the man?) and i came to the conclusion i should do aptitude unmarkauto '~s.*' (possibly after any install) to be sure to disable the autoremoving things, am i right or i missed something?
07:10<phrhd>i think there should be an option like that
07:11<phrhd>so that ALL data that has been generated by the program on installation is simply wiped of the disk
07:11<eporim>i think such an option should be there
07:11<padski>phrhd, just don't use it with your text editor ;-)
07:11<themill>phrhd: how can apt know where else $prog has dropped data? Do you want do delete all your *.odt files because you uninstalled openoffice?
07:12<eporim>1st of all i don't thing the specific config files are known by apt-get, and in 2nd-ly, it's very dangerous
07:12<jm_>it's not generated during installtion
07:12<phrhd>no, but especially the .[app] folders in the home directory are so common
07:12<eporim>sorry: "i think such an option should be there" <-- shouldN'T
07:13<phrhd>hm...of course it is dangerous
07:13<themill>eporim: I wouldn't do that at all, that defeats the purpose. You should only ever have packages being offered for autoremove when they are apparently no longer needed. The only real exception to this is the big meta-packages like gnome and kde where you then later try to remove some component of them. /msg dpkg unmarkauto
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07:13<phrhd>but sometimes necessary
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07:14<eporim>themill: i WANT to defeat the purpose
07:14<themill>eporim: why? You said earlier you thought it was a useful feature.
07:14<eporim>if i switch from apt-get to aptitude i don't want any pkg to be automatically removed
07:14<eporim>you missed the 2nd part of my line, probably, i also said i cannot have such a feature enabled in my typical use of uninstall/install
07:15<phrhd>for example, if i have a whole lot of bookmarks and cookies of websites that have been gathered by an evil browser that won't even delete them, an apt-get purge should wipe them off
07:15<themill>eporim: why not?
07:15<eporim>(specifically on this low-disk-space device, where i cannot redownload and reunpack pkgs if i reinstall something that needed that lib)
07:16<eporim>themill: flash memories get trashed for to much writing
07:16<themill>ahh... indeed
07:17<themill>The thing is that autoremove is quite valuable for a low-disk-space machine as it helps reclaim disk space by getting rid of libraries that you no longer need.
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07:17<eporim>actually WOULD
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07:17<eporim>but with flash memories isn't
07:17<eporim>i prefer to manually uninstall things that i'm sure i will not need anymore
07:18<themill>eporim: when things have huge dependency chains, that can be nigh on impossible. That's why autoremove was developed :)
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07:18<themill>eporim: I don't know of a config option for it though. There probably is one, or you can do what you suggest.
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07:19<eporim>i.e. if i uninstall vlc i would have libmatroska not more needed by the system but if i install mkvtool<something> the day after and i removed libmatroska i would need to reinstall (i thinks the pkgs named are real in their relative dependent status's but i did not check)
07:19<eporim>themill: not even the readme list an option for it
07:20<eporim>only unmarkauto and 'm' in interactive mode
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07:20<eporim>(and from the description m should be = unmarkauto)
07:20<themill>eporim: if you knew that you wanted to switch from one to the other then aptitude can help you with that -- aptitude install thingtoremove_ thingtoinstall
07:20<padski>phrhd, *nix is a multi-user system. try FreeDOS if you want a single-user system.
07:20<themill>(note the underscore)
07:21<eporim>themill: big "if", i never know what i want ;P
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07:21<phrhd>@padski: ?
07:22<eporim>phrhd: regarding purge not removing home config files
07:22<themill>eporim: I *think* this will do it for you... but my aptitude-fu isn't that great. aptitude unmarkauto '~i~M'
07:23<phrhd>but is there a way to track what files a program has generated during its in-use peroid?
07:24<eporim>phrhd: not with programs i know
07:24<themill>phrhd: not unless you write one. (well, you could use something like cowdancer)
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07:24<eporim>you need a very pervasive watchdog to do it
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07:24<phrhd>i will check that out
07:25<themill>it's unlikely to really do what you are wanting
07:25<eporim>themill: i just discovered it, so yours is better than me for sure ;P, ~M is sufficient from what i see (i used ~s.* coz .* say too much pkgs selected and ~n.* gives a lot of output regarding name changes from specific to general or viceversa)
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07:30<padski>phrhd, you could run the program as a distinct user, and only access files owned by that user. then you would know which ones ...
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07:32<eporim>he should have another user for any user of the system
07:32<eporim>a -shadow user
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07:32<eporim>(any user = any 'real' user, aka ~"user with home")
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07:34<eporim>could be a good workaround to do what you want, but i think that you would need more than adding this -shadow to the user group (i.e. some changes like g+w in -shadow files)
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07:36<padski>per application, of course.
07:36<eporim>ah yes, i missed that, even more problematic
07:37<eporim>you will exceed your user limit in no time ;P
07:38<padski>there used to be an experimental unix-ish system that had a feature like this. I forget the name. begain with a v ?
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07:38<eporim>never heard
07:38<eporim>virus? ;P
07:38<eporim>padski: they were actually users or something like 'subusers'?
07:39<padski>or you could stored a record of every transaction of a file including the
07:39<padski>eporim, yes, subusers I think they were called.
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07:45<eporim>padski: something to do with this: ?
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07:48<padski>eporim, but this was a in-kernel implementation. same intent though. I'm afraid the connection to the file purge thing is just satire.
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07:52<eporim>padski: i cannot understand the 2nd part of the line
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07:55<padski>eporim, I don't really think that subusers are the answer to phrhd's data-retention and garbage collection problems.
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07:58<padski>I think it might have been VSTa
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08:07<eporim>padski: a good pj, but "VSTa (Valencia's Simple Tasker) was" and "Working state Historic" (from make it not a choice :)
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08:08<eporim>it seems the currently developed clone is FMI/OS
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08:20<widget>i'm using debian-40r3-i386 and need to be using linux kernel 2.6.25
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08:21<widget>is there any way to install this using apt, or should i just download the kernel from and install manually?
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08:23<jm_>widget: is 2.6.24 not good enough?
08:23<gsimmons>widget: Backported packages of your desired kernel version are available from
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08:24<jaski>Hi there, I'm running the 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP kernel on a 366 MHz Celeron and have added a 160 GB USB disk to the system. I moved /usr/share to the USB disk a few weeks ago and linked to it from /usr. Aptitude is now telling me: "/usr/share/debconf/confmodule: /usr/share/debconf/frontend: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied." How do I make the USB disk acceptable to the system?
08:25<widget>jm_: probably, but i'm doing filesystem development and the latest version of the fs is designed for 2.6.25
08:25<pumpkin0>jaski: which fs did you use on the USB ?
08:25<widget>gsimmons: thankyou, i'll take a look
08:25<jm_>widget: then backports will do for you
08:25<jm_>widget: but then again you could build your own kernel if you're doing fs development
08:26<jaski>pumpkin0: ext3 on a 10GB partn.
08:26<pumpkin0>jaski: umount it and run fsck.
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08:28<jm_>jaski: also make sure it's not mounted with noexec
08:28<stevecotton>jaski: what mount options is it using (run "mount" with no arguments, post the appropriate line)
08:29<aniki>is there anything remotely like "down them all" for debian ? i.e. a proggi which allows you to dl al pics of a page at once ?
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08:30<stevecotton>a webpage?
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08:30<amphi>aniki: you could do that with wget, no doubt
08:30<jm_>wget or pavuk will both do it
08:31<aniki>no console bullshit. just simple click and done
08:31<amphi>ugh, we have a 'clicker'
08:31<jm_>Linky extension has that
08:31<jm_>for iceweasel
08:32<jaski>pumpkin0: (cough, cough...) /dev/sda5 on /media/sda5 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) HOW IDIOTIC OF ME ... thanx a lot :)
08:33<jaski>Thanx and 'bye for now
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08:36<ravi>hi, are there any irc log to html exporting scripts that do not use tables? I could not find it through Google.
08:37<aniki>iceweasel-linky_2.7.1-1_all.deb <-- why wont i find it over the synaptic packetmanager?
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09:01<Txt_file>hy all .. I have a big problem .. I can't play any VCD or DVD ... neither totem nor vlc
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09:03<themill>!dvd playback
09:03<dpkg>To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 w32codecs some of which are in <> (see <libdvdcss> <w32codecs>). You will also need to set a region on your dvd player if you have never done so before using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
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09:04<Txt_file>themill: thanks
09:04<themill>no worries... you've not fixed it yet though :)
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09:05<Txt_file>themill: nope but I didn't had any idea how to fix this
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09:17<halfgaar>hi people
09:17<halfgaar>I've got a problem. I want to grant someone access to my debian server for an svn+ssh svn repository, but I don't want him to be able to access anything else on the server
09:18<halfgaar>the problem is, that I can't disable the shell, by setting it to /bin/false, because then the connection is closed
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09:18<halfgaar>and setting up a chroot is kind of a pain
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09:18<halfgaar>any suggestions?
09:19<petemc>a common problem, google for svn ssh no shell access
09:20<halfgaar>petemc: thanks, I'll do that.
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09:23<jm_>can he just work on his box, i.e. svn co, do work, check-in (or whatever the terminology is for svn)
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09:24<halfgaar>jm_: that's the idea, but svn access also means ssh access
09:24<halfgaar>but I found
09:24<halfgaar>it helps, but I have to disable password logins
09:24<halfgaar>not too much of a problem there
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09:46<huloo4>hi all. my eth0 doesn't seem to start on boot; ifup eth0 does work
09:46<huloo4>how do I automaticly do this?
09:48<petemc>add auto eth0 to /etc/network/interfaces
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09:49<huloo4>oh darn, I forgot auto eth0
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10:04<szbalint>This is weird. openssl-blacklist shows my RSA key as compromised, however I've generated it after the vulnerability was patched
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10:05<szbalint>On my ubuntu laptop the same key doesn't show up as vulnerable
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10:06<szbalint>also, ssh lies. Public key <hash here> blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)); refusing to send it
10:06<szbalint>it sends it anyway though
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10:10<themill>dpkg: tell szbalint about reportbug
10:10<themill>gah... stupid bot
10:10<themill>!tell szbalint about reportbug
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10:12<WolfClaw>i just installed a 1gb ram in addition to the already present 512mb but linux is not detecting the 512mb stick, physicla mem is being shown to be 1gig only. Windows shows all 1.5gigs
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10:13<Athz_boyz>leh gabung
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10:15<WolfClaw>is it a problem with the linux kernel?? i'm using the 2.6.22-3-486 build
10:15<gsimmons>WolfClaw: The -486 kernel images are not highmem enabled.
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10:16<WolfClaw>so which one do i need to get gsimmons?
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10:16<WolfClaw>i see a 686-bigmem version
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10:17<WolfClaw>i'm getting that one
10:17<WolfClaw>btw should i increase my swap space, i already have 1 gb swap
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10:18<dpkg>i guess swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that.
10:20<WolfClaw>kk thnx padski
10:20<themill>WolfClaw: for 1.5GB of memory, you only need the -686 kernel not the -686-bigmem kernel (which is for >3.4GB RAM)
10:20<WolfClaw>yup my swap is showing up completely free
10:21<WolfClaw>ok i'll try both of them and see which works
10:23<dondelelcaro>you don't want -bigmem
10:23<dondelelcaro>the only reason to have it is if you have >> 4G; otherwise the overhead isn't worth it.
10:23<themill>dondelelcaro: dpkg isn't responding to its name, only to ! ... :(
10:24<themill>dpkg: ping
10:24<WolfClaw>its installed already :/
10:24<themill>WolfClaw: each kernel you have installed has a different entry in your boot menu. Boot with the -686 kernel not the -486 kernel.
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10:25<themill>dpkg, wb
10:25<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
10:25<themill>thanks, dondelelcaro
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10:26<themill>I think the bot's starting to get a little belligerent and sulky.
10:26<Gekz>dpkg: why don't you love me
10:26<dpkg>Gekz: I don't know, could you explain it?
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10:26<Gekz>dpkg: clearly not.
10:26<dpkg>Gekz: i haven't a clue
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10:30<reggae>dpkg xorg
10:30<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <install x> if you are using etch or newer, or <get xorg> if you are using sarge, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
10:30<WolfClaw>themill: kk. btw does anyone know why the 2.25 kernel doesnt support acpi?
10:31<reggae>dpgk alsa
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10:31<themill>WolfClaw: it does.
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10:32<themill>WolfClaw: the userspace interfaces to acpi power stuff have changed and a few apps are yet to update though.
10:32<WolfClaw>ah that would explain why the kde battery monitor doesnt wokr
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10:32<WolfClaw>whyd they release the odd number kernel anyway, shouldnt they have waited for 2.26?
10:32<themill>WolfClaw: are you running etch or lenny?
10:32<reggae>anyone here know how do i reconfig debian's resolution in terminal, as im stuck in 640X480 resolution....
10:32<themill>WolfClaw: it's not 2.25 it's 2.6.25
10:32<reggae>pls help
10:33<themill>reggae: xrandr
10:33<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
10:33<themill>reggae: or ^^
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10:35<Anna>ori ori ori ori
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10:35<Anna>מה המצב
10:36<Golfgeo>Ho Ho Ho and a Merry Christmas?
10:36<reggae>another problem, i used to have lenny with no probs, but now, i reinstalled the whole thing in my ibook, try to set up and apt-get install some stuff like libssl-dev, but it shows errors saying, about some sort of dependencies? any ideas?
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10:38<themill>dpkg: tell reggae about bat
10:38<themill>reggae: you couldn't be more vague if you tried there... "some error" is pretty useless to us.
10:40<qq_>and dependencies are not errors
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10:45<WolfClaw>hey it worked :) thanks guys
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11:09<webmost>debian etch strange keyboard prob affects gnome browser and xterm ... suddenly, each time I hit "o", all text on that line preceding that keystroke disappears ... only affects those two apps far as I know
11:09<webmost>have replaced keyboard no joy
11:09<webmost>and ideas?
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11:12<rms>webmost: have you checked with or google in case other people have the same problem?
11:12<webmost>yes no joy
11:12<webmost>has me stumped
11:13<webmost>for instance, iceweasel I can fill out form fields just fine but gnome browser any time I hit an "o", everything on that line disappears
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11:14<themill>webmost: do you have some other input method selected gnome input fields?
11:14<themill>(right click on them, there are options)
11:14<webmost>no other input method selected
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11:15<WD_40>good morning all.
11:15<benjamin>good afternoon :)
11:15<WD_40>touche =)
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11:17<WD_40>I've started experiencing a problem on my debian server within the past couple of days. Syslog shows 'kernel BUG at fs/inode.c:174!' and the system becomes partially crippled. it stays running for the most part, but postfix stops delivering emails and it won't soft reboot
11:17<WD_40>you can see the full error here:
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11:19<bighornram>before I bloat my system with every video package known to mankind, I am getting "Unknow decoder 'xvid'" when I try mmpeg script to convert avi to mp4. what do I need or is there a simple way to do this conversion in lenny amd64?
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11:20<WD_40>so I'm guessing it's a filesystem problem...
11:21<WD_40>I am doing nightly backups to a couple of iomega REV drives
11:21<WD_40>so it could be either one of them or the hard drives I guess
11:21<WD_40>how should I go about fixing this?
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11:24<Aleric>I bought a new mouse, USB... how can I see if it was recognized?
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11:25<Aleric>input: Logitech USB RECEIVER as /class/input/input6
11:25<Aleric>input: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech USB RECEIVER] on usb-0000:00:1f.2-2
11:25<Aleric>But now...
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11:28<Aleric>Is there a way to automatically detect what protocol it uses? And can I use it through /dev/input/mice ?
11:28<cahoot>well I've got one of those and it
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11:29<cahoot>works like any mouse
11:29<Aleric>What "Protocol" do you use in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
11:29<cahoot>usinf explorerps/2 IIRC
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11:32<Aleric>cahoot: Can you check please, what you use in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
11:33<themill>Aleric: Device /dev/input/mice and Protocol auto-dev should work.
11:34<themill>err.. actually, I think Device is unnecessary in that. too long since I've looked at that.
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11:40<Aleric>It got a cazillion buttons... it would be nice if they all worked :). How can I test that?
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11:45<Aleric>Hmm, it reacts to everything except tilting the scroll wheel to left or right. Does that work with you cahoot?
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11:51<cahoot>sends keycode 100 and 102 as it seems
11:51<cahoot>(never noticed that ability)
11:51<Aleric>Is there a way to reload xorg.conf without restarting X?
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11:52<koan>Aleric: no
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11:55<erKURITA>!tell erKURITA about kioslave
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12:03<sbrothy>hello. how do I check that if module is loaded?
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12:04<sbrothy>ah. thanks
12:04<themill>if you know the name of the module, lsmod | grep module_name
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12:05<sbrothy>ok. how do I make sure it is loaded every time the machine is booted?
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12:06<themill>echo module_name >> /etc/modules
12:07<sbrothy>thank you
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12:13<sbrothy>I'm trying to make wireless connection work. after loading the required module and running iwconfig a wireless connection shows up as 'eth2' every document I see calls it "wlan0". is there a difference?
12:13<amphi>sbrothy: different drivers give the device different names
12:13<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
12:14<amphi>sbrothy: you can have udev call it what you like
12:14<amphi>cahoot: ;)
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12:14<kotelo>hey guys
12:14<sbrothy>ok. how do i know which values to enter in my interfaces file for the ESSID and key?
12:14<kotelo>i reinstalled debian lenny and now i can not suspend
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12:16<suiside>sbrothy: well, you would have set those on your wireless AP when setting up the network
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12:17<suiside>sbrothy: in case it's not your network ask the owner/administrator of the access point
12:17<kotelo>and my problem xD?
12:17<themill>dpkg: tell kotelo about suspend troubleshooting
12:18<kotelo>lets see :3
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12:21<[GC]Faust>Where can i find help for Danish on Debian?
12:22<dpkg>methinks danish is better than swedish. To get danish support in KDE do: apt-get install kde-i18n-da, a damn fine pastry, #debian-dk,, and of course it's better than dutch
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12:23<[GC]Faust>What are port to ?
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12:24<EricB>6667 or 6666 I can't remember
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12:31<patrii>olaa marinaa
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12:32<patrii>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam k tal???
12:32<mariniitaa>bn y tu?
12:32<patrii>kien esel qq
12:33<mariniitaa>no se
12:33<mariniitaa>me alegro
12:33<patrii>ammmmmmmmm y yto
12:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:33<mariniitaa>debiann de mierdaaaaaaa!!
12:33<themill>patrii, mariniitaa: please take your game elsewhere
12:33<patrii>eres un capuyooooooooo
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12:34<patrii>ablaen españolllllllllll
12:34<mariniitaa>illo debian una preguntita me ablas en español valee??no en ingless
12:34<patrii>k no entiendooooooooooooooooo+
12:34<mariniitaa>perdon themill
12:35<patrii>themill abla en español porfaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
12:35<qq_>themill: is only one ....
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12:35<themill>qq_: yes
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12:35<patrii>themill k abias dixo antessss
12:36<themill>!ops can you convince patrii mariniitaa mgarcia_ mgarcia__ (same IP address) to play elsewhere?
12:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: can you convince patrii mariniitaa mgarcia_ mgarcia__ (same IP address) to play elsewhere
12:36<padski>!ops patrii is a troll
12:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: patrii is a troll
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12:36<mgarcia__>ablaaen español
12:36-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
12:36-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*mgarcia@83.230.234.*] by RichiH
12:36-!-mode/#debian [+q patrii!*@*] by weasel
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12:36-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by weasel
12:36<themill>teamwork ops... thanks guys
12:37-!-mode/#debian [-o RichiH] by RichiH
12:37-!-mode/#debian [-q patrii!*@*] by weasel
12:37<codi>mgarcia_, de donde tú es ?
12:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:38<codi>yes, speak english ;D
12:38<[GC]Faust>where can i find pastehomepage.. soo i can get help herefrom? :)
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12:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:39<[GC]Faust>I have installe UnrealIRC Server.. and i Try and start this server up .. soo now i get error! maybe you can see what this error are? maybe u can help? i will try and paste this error now! ;)
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12:40<[GC]Faust> <- Who can help me? ;) im not good to this Unrealirc
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12:41<jthomas>why doesn't "aptitude search blog" return Drivel or other blogging softwares??
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12:42<Aleric>cause you never downloaded it?
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12:42<jthomas>hmm.. ok so whatys the equivalent of 'apt-cache search blog' ?
12:43<jthomas>how would i look for software with aptitude
12:43<Aleric>I don't use aptitude
12:43<jthomas>well thanks
12:43<Aleric>apt-cache search blog searches in the cache of what you downloaded.
12:43<Aleric>Hence that I said: because you never downloaded it?
12:43<jthomas>it searches in the cache of the package list
12:44<themill>aptitude and apt-cache search different things
12:44<Aleric>If apt-cache search blog shows it, and aptitude don't, then I don't know.
12:44<jthomas>it finds plenty of things that I've not installed
12:44<jthomas>themill how would i use aptitude to search for available packages?
12:45<Aleric>I think it's annoying that debian has so many different package interfaces.
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12:45<themill>nfc. I use apt-cache for that.
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12:45<koan>Aleric: that's not debian, that's the way free software works :-)
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12:47<jthomas>that was the point of Aptitude i thought, to make all of the apt-* apps work as one.
12:48<themill>no, the point of aptitude was to replace dselect and to provide smarter dependency resolution and extra features like autoremove
12:48<padski>I thought the dependency resolver is a different design.
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12:51<Aleric>I got a problem...
12:51<Aleric>After this operation, 459MB of additional disk space will be used.
12:51<Aleric>Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
12:51<Aleric>E0x: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf
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12:52<Aleric>That is apt-get dist-upgrade :/
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12:54<qq_>after apt-get update ? and dist-upgrade from ... to ... ?
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12:55<Aleric>from testing to testing
12:55<Aleric>It failed... and when I run it again, I get that.
12:55<qq_> after apt-get update ?
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12:57<Aleric>That is how it ended... and now I can't run it again :/
12:57<qq_>do you have this 459MB free additional disk space ?
12:58<qq_>or have enough space in /var
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12:59<themill>Aleric: try aptitude -f install amsn- amsn-data-
12:59<Aleric>The problem is some bug it seems.
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13:03<Aleric>That tries to install the same 500 MB, gives the same error, but then continuous with "trying to recover" ...
13:03<Aleric>hopefully it will work :)
13:03<themill>doesn't sound that promising
13:03<qq_>or hard disc troubles ? , any message in console ctrl+alt + f1 / or dmesg
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13:05<Aleric>I have no harddisk problems :/ ... the previous apt-get dist-upgrade aborted due to a bug in one of the scripts. That left things in an unclean state.
13:05<Aleric>It finished now..
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13:07<themill>Aleric: solved then?
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13:08<Aleric>not sure :/
13:08<awatkins>Hi, all. I have the Etch->Lenny, 'Waiting for root...' boot problem with what seems like a new twist to me. (Apologies and please correct me if I'm whining in the wrong place.)
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13:09<Aleric>It told me that I should run autoremove... and that deletes 300 MB of packages... I just saw it remove metacity-common ...
13:09<themill>Aleric: why did you let it then?
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13:10<themill>Aleric: /msg dpkg unmarkauto
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13:10<TIBSlaptop>im back
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13:15<Aleric>themill: I still have the same problem when running apt-get :(
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13:15<Aleric>It STILL tells me that it has to install those 500 MB and then fails with the same error.
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13:27<sbrothy>if I plug in my external hdd via usb it is auto mounted but only root can access it. how do i make it accessible to users?
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13:30<blarson>sbrothy: msdos filesystem? use the gid option in /etc/fstab
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13:34<Aleric>Setting up metacity-common (1:2.19.8-svn-egg-aleric-14) ...
13:34<Aleric>Setting up libmetacity0 (1:2.19.8-svn-egg-aleric-14) ...
13:34*Aleric is slowly recovering, I hope
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13:44<Aleric>Hmm... the autoremove has to do with the fact that 'testing' now contains a metacity that is newer than the one that I compiled from svn in the past.
13:44<Aleric>I commented out my metacity repository in /etc/apt/sources.list ... and now it wants to install another 500 MB :/
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13:51<TIBSlaptop>how do i install an rpm file
13:51<TIBSlaptop>is the file name
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13:51<Aleric>rpm = Redhat Package Manager... you need redhat for that.
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13:51<Aleric>or fedora. Debian uses .deb packages.
13:52<rms>TIBSlaptop: you could have a look at the alien package
13:53<TIBSlaptop>ive converted
13:53<TIBSlaptop>it to
13:53<TIBSlaptop>now how i install that :/
13:53<rms>TIBSlaptop: dpkg -i <package>
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13:54<TIBSlaptop>shell1:~dpkg -i camfrogserver_4.1-2_all.deb
13:54<TIBSlaptop>Selecting previously deselected package camfrogserver.
13:54<TIBSlaptop>(Reading database ... 46884 files and directories currently installed.)
13:54<TIBSlaptop>Unpacking camfrogserver (from camfrogserver_4.1-2_all.deb) ..
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13:55<TIBSlaptop>where the source files install too
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13:56<TIBSlaptop>once its installed
13:56<TIBSlaptop>where does the source files extract too
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13:58<Aleric>not good ... apt-get dist-upgrade now finishes (says there is nothing to do)... and then I tried to restart X... which failed :/
13:59<amphi>Aleric: anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
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14:00<Aleric>lemme first run my auto magic script... that should fix any problems :/
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14:03<Aleric>Oh oh... it doesn't fix it :/
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14:03<TIBSlaptop>do i find a file
14:04<TIBSlaptop>i wanna look for camfrogserver.conf
14:04<TIBSlaptop>when i do find camfrogserver.conf
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14:04<TIBSlaptop>it comes up with aload of dirs
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14:04<Aleric>TIBSlaptop: I mean
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14:06<Aleric>TIBSlaptop: or, locate camfrogserver.conf
14:06<Aleric>to search on the local disk
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14:17<Aleric>LOL ... I get a popup warning me that my mouse batteries are low :)
14:17<Aleric>That's new ;)
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14:18<icaro>hay alguien
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14:20<icaro>como puedo obtener cd's de Debian gratis
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14:22<dpkg>it has been said that freecd is no free cd, see
14:23<screenn>I need setup my linux router with wan->eth0<-eth1,eth2 (traffic shaping), anybody have an experience with that?
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14:25<icaro>thank you dpkg
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14:27<screenn>maybe some linux traffic GURU is here, I really need a help with my router
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14:30<screenn>ibook hi
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14:30<ibook>Thanks !!!
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14:31<Witckacy>¿Álguién aquí habla español? necesito una pequeña ayuda
14:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:53<screenn>anybody can help me with my router: dsl wan|<-->|eth0<-->eth1,eth2|<---|lan
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14:54<latitude>hello, everyone
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14:55<rms>screenn: why do you have eth1 in your concept?
14:55<latitude>have anybody dealt with HPC clusters? I understand it's not quite debian related, so sorry
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14:56<F-Lelo>Hi guys. Could anyone tell me what's the permissions on your postfix flush directory, please?
14:56<screenn>rms I have eth1 for local network, and eth0 for wan
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14:56<rms>screenn: in your scheme you have eth2 for the lan. thats why i asked what eth1 is for
14:57<screenn>eth1,eth2 for lan also
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14:57<rms>why eth1 and eth2?
14:57<latitude>what I lack is a knowledge about the internals and iron, so if anyone could help, i'd appreciate it
14:58<Aleric>Why do the extra buttons on a mouse NEVER work >:-(
14:58<rms>latitude: google gives quite interesting links for keywords like "debian hpc"
14:58<screenn>ok, do you know solution for eth1 only?
14:59<rms>screenn: depends what you want to do. so far i have no idea about your problem
15:00<F-Lelo>Hi guys... I have some problems with permissions. Take a look at this: ... It has question marks where the owner should be and when I use chown it says permission denied.. what to do?
15:01<screenn>dsl wan<--->eth0<-->|eth1,eth2(shaping)|--->local comp1,comp2
15:01<screenn>without switch
15:01<latitude>rms: thanks, I am already surfing a couple of sites, but it's quite analize the info, and many intresting links at for ex. are broken
15:02<screenn>I've used wondershaper for shaping in my local if eth0
15:02<screenn>I'm thinking about use wondershaper in eth1,eth2 now
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15:02<latitude>the trouble for me that I was given a task to view the HPC solution from SGI, and I can't decide for myself wether it is good or not
15:02<rms>screenn: have a look at the iptables tutorial at
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15:02<rms>screenn: and i still dont understand what your problem actually is
15:03<screenn>rms I've tryed but, I have troubles with iptables
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15:03<rms>screenn: what kind of troubles?
15:03<screenn>now I'll show you
15:03<latitude>so I'd like to know what hardware is currently in use for the clustering
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15:03<rms>latitude: there is different clustering concepts that dont require specific hardware at all
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15:05<apatheticsheep>Howdy folks
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15:05<apatheticsheep>is it strange that i do not find a DirectoryIndex line in my apache2.conf file?
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15:05<tide>hi fast question what sthe command on startin glftpd on debian lenny?
15:05<EmleyMoor>Is there a simple way, in Gnome desktop, to switch to a Dvorak keyboard layout (or a custom layout based thereon for which I have a keymap file?
15:05<tide>in terminal logged in as root.
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15:07<F-Lelo>I have some problems with permissions. Take a look at this: ... It has question marks where the owner should be and when I use chown it says permission denied.. what to do?
15:07<F-Lelo>got pretty confused there
15:07<tide>Anyone using glftpd?
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15:08<valdyn_>F-Lelo: unmount and fsck
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15:09<EmleyMoor>(There's an application I need to try out with a Dvorak layout before I finally decide)
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15:09<valdyn_>EmleyMoor: gnome has an applet for that
15:09<F-Lelo>thanks valdyn_
15:10<EmleyMoor>valdyn_: Any pointers towards its operation would be much appreciated
15:10<tide>Does anyone know what the command is to start/set online glftpd after a restart?
15:10<valdyn_>EmleyMoor: its obvious, just use it
15:10<EmleyMoor>Preferences... Keyboard, r?
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15:10<valdyn_>EmleyMoor: rightclick on panel, select "add to panel"
15:11<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it even has a British Dvorak already defined!
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15:11<Aleric>Is there anyone here who knows how I can get 10 buttons to work on a mouse?
15:11<Aleric>Or if that is at all possible?
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15:11<valdyn_>Aleric: yes
15:11<raevol>anyone know why the 5.04 -> 5.05 xscreensaver update removed a bunch of the screensavers?
15:12<valdyn_>raevol: read the changelog
15:12<raevol>err, woops thanks
15:12<tide>xinetd start?
15:12<adrian>any one having any luck with installing ati proprietary driver on ubuntu intreprid ibex
15:12<Aleric>valdyn_: I think I saw button 8 and 9 in xev... but I can't get that back anymore :/ ... the first 5 buttons always work, and the rest are the same as the first 5 or do nothing :/
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15:13<valdyn_>Aleric: you need an x extension loaded
15:13<Aleric>valdyn_: Ah, which? :)
15:13<valdyn_>Aleric: googlign
15:14<valdyn_>!info xserver-xorg-input-evdev
15:14<valdyn_>!info xserver-xorg-input-evdev etch
15:14<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, slow is ask me about dma, or ask me about nsswitch
15:14<raevol>valdyn_, i don't see anything in the log? am i just missing it?
15:14<tide>need to start glftpd on lenny.
15:15<valdyn_>raevol: probably, i dont know
15:15<dpkg>xserver-xorg-input-evdev: (X.Org X server -- evdev input driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.2-1.lenny1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
15:15<raevol>ah, ok
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15:15<dpkg>xserver-xorg-input-evdev: (X.Org X server -- evdev input driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.2-6 (etch), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
15:15<valdyn_>tide: /etc/init.d/glftpd start
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15:15<EmleyMoor>OK - how do I make it actually switch layout?
15:15<tide>says no such file or directory
15:16<valdyn_>EmleyMoor: lmb on the applet
15:16<EmleyMoor>... and?
15:16<valdyn_>EmleyMoor: thats it
15:16<tide>Valdyn_ : isnt etc for stable debian
15:16<EmleyMoor>That brings it up - it doesn't make any change
15:16<tide>and not lenny?
15:16<valdyn_>EmleyMoor: it does
15:17<valdyn_>EmleyMoor: its per window by default, not globally
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15:18<EmleyMoor>Only way to do it is to change the default before opening a terminal...
15:18<Aleric>valdyn_: Do you have a copy of that evdev-key-btn-test.c ? It's not there anymore :/
15:19<valdyn_>Aleric: no
15:19<tide>Valdyn_ im using debian-LennyBeta2 is there a other command to start glftpd on taht one?
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15:20<valdyn_>tide: theres no glftp in debian
15:20<valdyn_>tide: what are you talking about?
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15:21<tide>Valdyn_ i have glftpd installed on Debian Lenny Beta 2, and the /etc/init.d/glftpd start doesnt work
15:21<valdyn_>tide: that program is not in debian
15:21<valdyn_>tide: i cant tell you what stuff does that is not in debian
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15:22<tide>Cmon man, really need this to run.
15:22<valdyn_>tide: why are you asking us how to run some 3rd party program?
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15:22<valdyn_>tide: we dont know it, we cannot support it, go elsewhere
15:23<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can modify a layout if I disapprove of the positions of " and @?
15:23<valdyn_>an ftp server that was last revved in 2005
15:23<valdyn_>tide: why would you use this?
15:23<tide>I ask you because you guys are probably experienced and know commands how to run something on Debian, wich i doesnt.
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15:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... fuse still runs with a QWERTY layout no matter what
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15:27<EmleyMoor>Where are Gnome's keyboard layouts defined?
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15:28<themill>EmleyMoor: fuse as in filesystem in userland or some other fuse?
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15:29<EmleyMoor>fuse as in Spectrum emulator
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15:29<themill>ahh. That makes more sense.
15:29<EmleyMoor>They did after all have a QWERTY keyboard - so not entirely unexpected
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15:31<EmleyMoor>If I want to make a new keyboard layout based on an existing one for Gnome, where do I find what I need to edit? I will have a look around but any hints will be appreciated
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15:37<screenn>rms #
15:37<screenn>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
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15:41<gpb>are you sure gnome lets a mere mortal do something like that?
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15:42<gpb>configuring gnome can be a pita sometimes because of the "we know what's best for you so don't complain"-attitude
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15:43<EmleyMoor>gpb: No, but the UK Dvorak layout does have something I consider goofy
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15:52<Toadsafk>wassup my mans
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15:53<Toadsafk>wassup moreliano
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15:54<X0uL>Can any one help me. I tried installing Debian on my empty emachine using cd1 and when setup gets to 73% of installing software its shuts down the computer as if an error occurs.
15:54<X0uL>What could this be?
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15:56<gpb>any error messages just befor this happens?
15:56<X0uL>no, it just shuts off
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15:58<Aleric>Hey hey! I got 14 buttons! :)
15:59<Aleric>xev now shows ALL events, including the left and right motion of the mouse wheel :)
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15:59<akegata>I'm having some serious issues with my raid5 md setup. First I got a lot of "i/o failure occurred trying to find stat data" messages in syslog, now when I try to recreate the raid after a reboot it says "forcing event count in /dev/sdf1(6) from 9595 upto 9606" and mdadm segfaults. What could be causing this behavior?
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16:01<gpb>are you sure your hdds are OK?
16:01<X0uL>Yea windows install on em no problem
16:01<gpb>doesn't mean anything... I've seen windows install on (nearly) brojken hdds fine
16:02<gpb>what does smartctl say?
16:02<X0uL>ok sorry i got it.. Last tiem i tried to install i was splitting the partitions up.. i put them all into one and its working now
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16:02<linux>hallo deutsches forum?
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16:03<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:20<gpb>got a problem with fusesmb since my last reboot...
16:20<gpb>it mounts just fine
16:20<gpb>but shows no entries in the directory i point it to
16:21<gpb>~/.smb/fusesmb.conf still exists and is the same as before (just checked)
16:21<gpb>konqueror and smbclient both can access the files
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16:22<gpb>any idea of how to set some sort of debug mode?
16:24<gpb>manpage is pretty silent on it
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16:27<qq>check the server
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16:28<lucas_amorim>hello! Why doesn't the command 'dpkg xserver-xorg' no longer ask video related questions but only keyboard?
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16:29<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: because the server is far better capable of setting itself up
16:29<lucas_amorim>well, it should, but some times it fails
16:30<lucas_amorim>doesn't it?
16:30<dondelelcaro>if you're running lenny or unstable, it shouldn't.
16:30<gpb>qq: it doesn't even show the samba on it's own system like it did before
16:31<gpb>dondelelcaro, that's not true
16:31<gpb>at least not for every combination of graphics card and LCD display
16:31<dondelelcaro>should, not does.
16:31<gpb>got some systems lately that showed QUITE disturbed images or none at all
16:32<dondelelcaro>if the driver supports a card and doesn't configure it properly or detect it properly, that's a bug that should be fixed.
16:32<gpb>well, there SHOULD be an option to generate an xor.xconf like before
16:32<dondelelcaro>regardless, X itself knows far better how to configure itself than the install scripts ever did
16:33<gpb>so I can manually overwrite it WITHOUT needing to go to some SuSE machine and raping it's sax2-generated xorg.conf+
16:33<lucas_amorim>its lenny, my girlfriend just called me asking why she got an error when booting up her machine today. She said it tried to get into gdm but blinked two or three times and then said the xserver was disabled
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16:33<dondelelcaro>gpb: you can still manually overwrite it.
16:33<lucas_amorim>and she did not update anything
16:33<lucas_amorim>it was working yesterday
16:33<gpb>yes, IF there would be a bloody xorg.conf SAMPLE somewhere
16:33<gpb>like every other f*cking package has
16:33<dondelelcaro>gpb: the one that we install *is* the sample
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16:34<dondelelcaro>gpb: you don't need most of the stuff that people put into their xorg.conf
16:34<gpb>the basically non-existent one?
16:34<dondelelcaro>gpb: yes, that's a huge step forward for X than the way it used to work
16:34<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: check the xorg.0.log
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16:34<gpb>i would just LIKE to have some EXAMPLES of monitor resolutuion settings somewhere
16:34<dondelelcaro>gpb: why? All of that you set using xrandr
16:35<gpb>IF and ONLY if you get it to show SOMETHING
16:35<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: the machine is not here, i just told her to apt-get upgrade... maybe it will solve the problem?? Anyway
16:35<gpb>as I said: I had some systems lately that were NON-usable with lenny
16:36<gpb>but if i wrote a basically empty xorg.conf manually in it it worked - sub-optimal, but at least I had 1024x768 picture
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16:36<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: probably not; you can look at it remotely.
16:36<gpb>basically empty= just monitor and display
16:37<lucas_amorim>I am also confused with this new xorg.conf philosophy
16:37<dondelelcaro>gpb: if your monitor doesn't properly advertise the resolutions which it supports, configuration may be necesssary. man xorg.conf; is pretty replete with examples.
16:38<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: the idea is simple: the drivers and the hardware should know how to configure it self in almost every case.
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16:38<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: the only time you'd need a non-empty one is when it fails, which is usually a bug and a case where the debconf stuff wouldn't have helped you much either.
16:38<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: I wont be able to ssh into her machine because her router has the port 22 closed by default, and she would need a browser to port foward it
16:39<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: so use links or lynx or similar
16:39<gpb>replete? you mean depleted?
16:39<gpb>just *one* example -- and that's for dual-head output
16:39<lucas_amorim>good idea
16:39<gpb>i.e. non-basic
16:39<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: or have her run startx; after logging in the console.
16:40<dondelelcaro>gpb: uh... every section has an example of that section
16:40<gpb>not on my machine
16:41<lucas_amorim>I told her to run /etc/init.d/gdm start
16:41<lucas_amorim>isn't it the same?
16:41<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: no
16:41<gpb>max xorg.conf | grep example
16:41<gpb>gives 3 lines...
16:41<qq>gpb: google has many xorg examples
16:41<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: ok, I am going to try this
16:41<dondelelcaro>gpb: they don't have to be called "example" to be an example
16:42<screenn>anybody can help me with my router: dsl wan|<-->|eth0<-->eth1,eth2|<---|lan , my configurations - , maybe you know why it isn't work?
16:42<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro:but, by the way, what is the difference?
16:42<gpb>so HOW do i google on a machine that is not on the net right noiw, and has non-working X with non-existing and/or useless documentation?
16:43<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: gdm is a DM. startx just invokes X.
16:43<dondelelcaro>gpb: if it's not on the net, that's nothing to do with X.
16:43<dondelelcaro>gpb: lose the caps please.
16:43<gpb>sorry for caps lock
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16:43<dondelelcaro>gpb: and if X isn't working, you can easily read the online documentation, or use links or lynx or similar.
16:44<gpb>you mean I *have* to use links to read the online docs?
16:44<gpb>on a machine on dial-up?
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16:44<gpb>wow... NICE idea for a quite essential part of a desktop machine
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16:45<dondelelcaro>gpb: obviously you can read the manpage. It's quite a bit complete.
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16:45<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: how does she discovers her external ip? ifconfig tells only about internal lan
16:45<dondelelcaro>gpb: and frankly, if you think it's not complete enough, I'm sure the developers would accept patches.
16:46<dondelelcaro>!tell lucas_amorim -about myip
16:46<gpb>so the same developers that made it non-workable will accept patches that undo their work?
16:47<gpb>or did you mean bloating the xorg.conf even more?
16:47<gpb>Then i get told "please post upstream"
16:48<dondelelcaro>gpb: you're the one complaining about the manpage
16:48<dondelelcaro>gpb: and yes, it'd be perfectly reasonable for the Debian maintainer to tell you to work with upstream.
16:48<gpb>I'm complaining about having to manually write a xorg.onf without assistance in debian
16:48<gpb>quuite a difference
16:48<dondelelcaro>there's no way to write a sane xorg.conf with assistance.
16:49<dondelelcaro>the cases where the drivers can't get it right themselves are cases where the configure script can't either.
16:49<gpb>just some "Monitor"-Options semi-automatically written would be nice
16:49<dondelelcaro>why? all of that would be wrong
16:50<dondelelcaro>you don't know at configuration time what monitors are going to be plugged into the machine
16:50<gpb>but the user knows
16:50<dondelelcaro>not even the user knows
16:51<gpb>I *know* my monitor can use 1024x768x32bpp in 60 Hz
16:51<gpb>hey, it can even display 800x600x32
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16:51<dondelelcaro>uh... that's not a valid modeline
16:51<dondelelcaro>and frankly, your monitor should be capable of telling X that.
16:52<dondelelcaro>(most modern cards and monitors *do*)
16:52<gpb>tell the place where I do some work right now
16:52<gpb>oh, and these are Belinea LCDs
16:52<dondelelcaro>I think I just did
16:52<gpb>19" ones
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16:53<gpb>no, you told me... unfortunately
16:53<dondelelcaro>if they aren't listening, that's their problem
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16:54<dondelelcaro>but in any event, that's the way that xorg.conf is going to go, because it's the right way to go.
16:54<dondelelcaro>in cases where it doesn't do the right thing, the best thing is to figure out why it failed to auto-detect, and fix it.
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16:57<gpb>and debian has to be the spear-head of that... *sigh*
16:57<dondelelcaro>we're actually not; that's the way X is going everywhere
16:57<dondelelcaro>having to muck with xorg.conf shouldn't happen
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16:58<suiside>gpb: you know, just googleing for an xorg.conf example would have taken less effort than whining about it here for almost an hour now, there's plenty out there, what is so hard about looking one up yourself?
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16:59<gpb>when I would have needed it there was o working internet connection...
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17:02<gpb>and you probably can feel with me what a great position I was in when I wanted to show some MS-fanboys how great debian is and the first thing they see is me looking how to get X to work
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17:03<suiside>wouldn't a config generated by X -configure suffice? it autoconfiguration fails you'd still need to figure out the right values, but you'd have to do that anyway with a sample configuration
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17:04<gpb>nope, tried thad
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17:05<gpb>at least the auto-generated xorg.conf by X --withsomeoption was as unusable as having none at all
17:05<suiside>as would a generic sample configuration
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17:07<gpb>the "old" method at least made a working one -- as did opensuse
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17:10<qdii>I've got a new laptop. I know it has a realtek wifi card, but I'm not sure which one exactly. I don't know which module I should load to make it work. (lsusb returns that a Realtek adapter is plugged)
17:11<qdii>any of you could help me out with that :/ ?
17:11<suiside>gpb: I fail to grasp what exaclty it is you want. Maybe you can clarify. Okay, it's a shame if autoconfiguration fails, but if you need a comprehensive list of available options then there's the xorg.conf manpage, if you want an "assisted" configuration writing you could as well generate a config and modify to your needs
17:11<gpb>i just need what was done before: me being able to say "please make a simple, working xorg.conf with these settings: "
17:11<suiside>qdii: what realtek chipset are we talking about exactly?
17:12<gpb>and then being able to tell taht i have a LCVD that doesn't work great but works with 1024x768 and perhaps some generic vesa driver
17:12<suiside>gpb: something in the lines of xorgconfig?
17:13<gpb>eh... which package would that be?
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17:14<qdii>suiside: to be truly honest I have no idea at all. I don't even know where I could find that. A solution would be to open the computer and look the chipset but unfortunately it's a laptop
17:14<qq>gpb: apt-cache search xserver-xorg
17:14<gpb>xserver-xorg you mean? that is installed
17:15<gpb>and a "locate xorgconfig" brings empty result
17:15<padski>qdii,it sometimes helps to google the usb vendor and product id that lsusb gives, that nnnn:nnnn code.
17:15<gpb>qdii: is it really USB powered?
17:15<qdii>padski: okay I'll try and see what it returns. thanks for the tip :)
17:15<qq>gpb: locate xorg.conf
17:15<qdii>gpd: I'm not sure, and I dunno how to be sure. But I guess so because I 've no other realtek equipment and its listed with lsusb
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17:16<qdii>and what's more : i've got a button to switch the device off ;)
17:16<gpb>5 results plus my own modded versions
17:16<suiside>qdii: what does lspci say?
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17:16<gpb>so you should search for vendr and device id
17:17<qdii>suiside: lspci says nothing about a wireless device actually, that's why I had the idea to check lsusb out.
17:17<qq>gpb: lspci | grep VGA
17:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
17:18<MotoHoss>use this to assist output of 'lspci -n' -->
17:18<gpb>just now it returns some intel but on work i should check
17:18<gpb>some VIA, i think
17:18<qq>so install >>>>xserver-xorg-video-via
17:19<gpb>had to reinstall windows on it, unfortunately (directive from above)
17:19<gpb>all xserver-... were installed when i tested it
17:19<gpb>sorry, I'm at home right now
17:19<qq> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver
17:20<apatheticsheep>is it strange that i do not find a DirectoryIndex line in my apache2.conf file? I am running etch.
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17:20<gpb>I'll try tomorrow, qq
17:20<apatheticsheep>is there a pkg that I have not installed?
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17:21<gpb>i think i saved 5GB somewhere
17:21<gpb>and have it still installed :)
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17:21<gpb>what the gods above don't know won't anger them :)
17:22<MotoHoss>gpb: heh, careful. if they ere truly gods... they'd already know....
17:23<gpb>well, i think they know... but it's a test machine right now anyway
17:23<gpb>running ISA 2004 :(
17:23<padski>apatheticsheep, mod_dir ?
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17:24<marmor>hola como estas
17:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:25<themill>apatheticsheep: no, apache has sensible defaults for everything. You don't need to have a DirectoryIndex entry anywhere unless you don't like the default. Look at for more info
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17:31<screenn>time to bed, will try tomorow with my router
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17:33<jmtechy>howdy and morning all
17:34<jmtechy>just wondering how to see what comes on each dvd?
17:34<jmtechy>of debian install
17:34<themill>!cd contents
17:34<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
17:35<themill>jmtechy: but I'm normally content to just use the netinst image
17:36<jmtechy>yeah i heard flash works flawlessly on the amd64 net inst
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17:37<jmtechy>is that on a 32bit browser or in the 64bit version aswell
17:37<themill>jmtechy: the installer is identical... it's just whether you download the packages as part of an iso or while you are installing.
17:38<jmtechy>i know its identical my worry is bout flash working
17:38<jmtechy>as i play dofus
17:39<apatheticsheep>is not having index.php "sensible"?
17:40<lucas_amorim>in this new xorg.conf, how do I set up the external monitor resolution in a laptop with intel video card?
17:40<themill>apatheticsheep: seeing as how php is optional and frequently not used, yes.
17:40<apatheticsheep>fair enough
17:41<themill>apatheticsheep: I normally use: DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.php index.xhtml or some variation of that
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17:41<apatheticsheep>themill yep ... more like what I am used to. so I guess in httpd.conf for local stuff? or just throw it right into apache2.conf?
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17:42<themill>apatheticsheep: even better, throw it into /etc/apache2/conf.d if it is for all sites or into /etc/apache2/sites-available if it is for one vhost. (and use a2enmod and a2ensite to enable modules and sites)
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17:43<apatheticsheep>themill: uhm ... odd it is in .htaccess in phpmyadmin dir but I still have to specify index.php in url
17:44<apatheticsheep>themill also I see allowoveride in apache2.conf
17:44<themill>apatheticsheep: do you have overrides enabled for that directory?
17:44<apatheticsheep>linked from /var/www
17:44<apatheticsheep>with followsym
17:46<jaquer>Q: I want to install dokuwiki on a fuly up-to-date etch system, and it wants to install apache, eventhough I have lighttpd already installed. My guess is that since aptitude doesn't show the httpd-cgi virtual package as installed (lighttp should satisfy it) it wants to pull apache. Any idea how to fix this?
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17:47<themill>dpkg: tell jaquer about bat
17:48<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: in this new xorg.conf, how do I set up the external monitor resolution in a laptop with intel video card?
17:49<jaquer>like this?
17:49<jaquer>oh, sec, missing the second part...
17:50<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: just use xarrandr
17:50<dondelelcaro>(or whatever the gnome bit is)
17:50<lucas_amorim>xar randr
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17:51<jaquer>second part:
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17:52<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: what do you mean by xar randr?
17:52<themill>lucas_amorim: xrandr
17:53<dondelelcaro>yeah, my link is laggy
17:53<themill>jaquer: I suspect that this is coming in through the php dependency not the httpd-cgi one.
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17:54<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: how am I supposed to use this?
17:54<jmtechy>whats the site for the debian iso?
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17:55<themill>jaquer: if you also install php5-cgi on the same aptitude install line then you should be fine
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17:55<jaquer>that's weird, I do have those though:
17:55<jaquer>but let me try
17:56<lucas_amorim>dondelelcaro: it shows which screens I am using and resolutions, but does not say anything about how to change it
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17:58<lucas_amorim>Isn't there a graphical frontend to xrandr?
17:58<jaquer>no go, it still wants to pull apache. For some reason the output of aptitude keeps refering to php4 for some reason..
17:59*latitude thinks "God damn, 10 days of self control gonna kill me..."
18:00<jaquer>blegh, it is php4... I guess the description from must be wrong.. here's output of aptitude install dokuwiki php4-cgi:
18:00<lucas_amorim>ok, found in google :D
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18:01<themill>jaquer: it wants php4 | php5 and since neither is installed at the start it's opting for php4. Painful. Try adding php5 to that install command too :)
18:01<jmtechy>also just a query am i able to burn the iso of a netinst to a dvd?
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18:03<jaquer>Oh, my mistake. I missed that I don't acutally have php5 installed. Many thanks.
18:03<themill>jaquer: does that solve it then?
18:03<jaquer>yes, aptitude install dokuwiki php5 removes the apache dep.
18:03<themill>:) excellent
18:03<jaquer>Thanks again, I really appreciate the help.
18:04<themill>no worries
18:04<chealer>jmtechy: you should be
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18:58<neal>i am trying to install debian etch amd64 on a dl180 g5 with intel procs ....but the install cd bombs after starting to probe ports with the following: console shuts up... <0> Kernel panic- not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
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19:04<witte>neal: is that a very new pc?
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19:06<flypiper>there is an intel IA-64 image .. prolly work better
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19:06<witte>he is gone
19:07<flypiper>just noticed.. thanks witte
19:07<witte>and intel ia-64 is only for very special processors if i am correct
19:07<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
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19:08<witte>mm, googled for his pc
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19:08<witte>seems hp proliant, so could be an ia64 chipset
19:09<maxb>specs say it's a xeon
19:09<witte>no, it is dual xeon
19:09<witte>quad core xeon sorry, so would be amd64 in that case
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19:15<tb>wuzzup with the bts?
19:15<dondelelcaro>tb: what about it?
19:16<tb> (which i need to examine) not responding. or any other query.
19:16<tb>but the server pings and provides the main pages
19:16<dondelelcaro>it's just slow
19:16<tb>but nothing that needs the database.
19:16<dondelelcaro>there's no database
19:16<tb>um, it wasn't "just slow" ten minutes ago.
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19:17<tb>right dondelelcaro. never mind. is there someone around who knows more about the bts than dondelelcaro?
19:17<dondelelcaro>uh... there's no one who does
19:18<sejje>witte: your servitude yesterday paid off, these words are floating through the air.
19:18<tb>so when you say "it's just slow" what exactly do you mean?
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19:18<witte>sejje: great what did solve it
19:18<sejje>pft, it wasn't the one-liner
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19:18<dondelelcaro>tb: I mean that the load on the machine is likely more than a few thousand, and anything requiring hitting disk is going to be slow
19:18<witte>tb: probably your internet connection
19:19<sejje>the one-liner decimated my system (removed those 501mb of stuff)
19:19<sejje>i had to reinstall
19:19<sejje>which i did with the .24 kernel
19:19<dondelelcaro>tb: thus, it's working, but slow.
19:19<sejje>and then i was having a problem again with ndiswrapper-source erroring with aptitude
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19:19<sejje>so i got a tarball at someone's advice
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19:19<tb>i've been instead of "probably" i'm looking for more than guessing.
19:19<dondelelcaro>tb: if you need to read something immediately, use
19:19<sejje>and then was able to modprobe it fine using a different driver than previously
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19:20<tb>since ten minutes ago it was normally responsive something distinctive is currently going on. "likely" more than a thousand suggests, um *checking*?
19:20<sejje>it's sorta weird, though--it's very slow to start a connection (say 5-10 second delay), and then kicks back up to normal speed
19:20<dondelelcaro>tb: yes, it's almost certainly spammers.
19:20<dondelelcaro>I can't tell you what the load is this second, because of the load.
19:21<witte>sejje: good to hear it works, it's about time hardware manufacturers should start integrating wireless drivers in the linux kernel (or at least provide help to get this done)
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19:21<tb>see, that would be a useful thing to say, if it's more than a guess. so far, i've been treated to rude guesses.
19:21<dondelelcaro>uh... it's not a guess
19:22<sejje>witte: yeah, the one i used was for other similar cards and required an edit to support this one (just a one-liner to include this model in the "supported" list inside the inf)
19:22<sejje>witte: i wish the one from realtek had worked, would have made my life simpler all weekend, lol.
19:22<tb>"almost certainly spammers" is rather different from "i checked, and it's spammers". "almost certainly" means "i'm guessing based on experience that it is X"
19:22<witte>sejje: it will, but it can take some time
19:22<witte>tb: are you bored or something?
19:23<sejje>he's mad ;)
19:23<witte>tb: don't you have anything better to do than complain about stuff where people here (even dondelelcaro) at this moment can't do to much about
19:23<tb>i'm actually trying to work on the release. i'm bothered that every time I use #debian, people guess at information.
19:23<dondelelcaro>tb: if you need to use the bts, you can use my mirror.
19:23<tb>i didn't complain, I asked "wuzzup with the bts". Not "can anyone offer a guess?" or "can anyone get defensive for me"?
19:24<tb>"I don't know" is a perfectly reasonable answer.
19:24<tb>the mirror unfortunately does not have the attachments AFAICT.
19:25<dondelelcaro>tb: yes, it does.
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19:25<tb>that URL (an attachment) does not lead me to the diff it should.
19:26<tb>in fact, none of the attachments in get where one would expect AFAICT
19:26<dondelelcaro>that's just a bug in the development code; if you want them immediately, use the mbox.
19:26<dondelelcaro>otherwise, wait for me to fix it.
19:26<tb>um, so as i said, the mirror doesn't have the attachments.
19:27<dondelelcaro>the mirror *has* attachments, it's just not allowing you to download them separately.
19:27<tb>see what i mean by #debian being rude? instead of saying, "yeah, attachments don't work yet, sorry", you say, "yes, it has them." being as opaque as possible.
19:28<sejje>tb: maybe your experience is limited. i've found #debian nothing but helpful.
19:28<tb>clicking on the mbox link does not do what I would expect. it seems to simply return me to the main bug page.
19:28<sejje>tb: also, why i do see your point, maybe there's a misunderstanding that hasn't been explained yet.
19:28<dondelelcaro>tb: you said that it didn't have them, which was incorrect. I didn't know that the links to them from bugreport.cgi where not working, so that's useful information.
19:28<sejje>tb: ^the pudding
19:29<themill>tb: see, you could be helpful instead of aggressive too, and then people on #debian would be more likely to want to help you.
19:29<tb>I would like to see the attached NMU diff for bug 474860.
19:30<dondelelcaro>tb:;bug=474860 works fine here.
19:30<tb>So far, I've been told, "the bts is working fine" and "use the mirror" and "oh, that doesn't work in the mirror, use this other" and then the other doesn't work AFAICT.
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19:31<tb>the mbox link on individual messages seems not to work. however.
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19:31<blarson>rietz (aka bugs) got rebooted twice today. That's why I'm not logged in to it.
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19:31<tb>unfortunately, the mbox format is a PITA to deal with because attachments have been mime encoded.
19:32<dondelelcaro>tb: just mutt -f foo.mbox;
19:32<dondelelcaro>or wait for me to fix the attachment bug
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19:32<themill>tb: yes they can be. Please donate more hardware to the debian project.
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19:32<tb>blars: so that's useful info! i would think that if a machine needs to be rebooted twice, it's deceptive to say it's working fine.
19:33<tb>themill: if you look, you'll see that i did not complain about the bts. I simply asked whatsup with it, and only blars had any actual information.
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19:34<themill>tb: I can read quite well. Perhaps you should take the time to find out who dondelelcaro is and also take the time to read what he wrote very very carefully.
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19:35<dondelelcaro>there are two people here who work on the bts; you've just heard from both of them... ;-)
19:35<tb>um, i do know who dondelelcaro is. the point is that useful information is clear and direct. if it is only comprehensible when read "very very carefully" then it's not helpful.
19:36<tb>and saying "there is no database" is actually factually wrong.
19:36<tb>it is an attempt to go "nyaah, nyaah, you think the bts uses sequel" or something of that sort.
19:36<themill>tb: no, just because this is IRC, you are not excused for having poor written comprehension. You are also not excused for being argumentative and aggressive towards volunteers who are doing the best they can. Send hardware. Send patches. End of discussion.
19:37<tb>excellent, themill. no more discussion with you. thanks. i hope you're a man of your word.
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19:37<witte>tb: you are really an idiot, next time you ask question or suggest problems, don't assume it is someones fault and you have to blame that person
19:37*witte ignores tb
19:37<tb>i didn't assume it was anyone's fault, of course. i don't recall blaming anyone for software or hardware probs, certainly not for spammers.
19:37<amphi>tb: you feel the requirement to read carefully is a gross imposition?
19:38<tb>no. the point is that amidst all the reading carefully, dondelelcaro also didn't answer the question with anything more than guesswork.
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19:38<dondelelcaro>tb: I'm telling you what the problem is almost certainly; if you don't want to believe me, that's your problem.
19:39<dondelelcaro>tb: no one can give you a better answer at this moment in time.
19:39<tb>i didn't say i didn't believe you. apparently i'm the only one who is expected to read "very very carefully."
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19:39<tb>dondelelcaro, how about, "i don't know what's up with it; my best guess is it's spammers"?
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19:40<qq_>it;s possible to run debian onSun Microsystems Enterprise 10000 E10K
19:40<qq_>Sun SPARC 64bit CPU
19:41<dondelelcaro>qq_: yes.
19:41<qq_>thx Wingard
19:41<qq_>thx witte dondelelcaro
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19:42<qq_>sorry Wingard
19:42<blarson>qq_: You may have problems with fiberchannel disks. Scsi should be fine.
19:42<witte>qq_: sun sparc has some problems getting into lenny, but it should work just fine
19:42<witte>qq_: although mine doesn't work at the moment :P
19:42<qq_>ok , i see
19:44<witte>qq_: nothing too serious, just need to find the time to fix it, it is merely a boot problem
19:44<qq_>ok, witte
19:45<blarson>qq_: #debian-sparc is usually quiet, you may ask for extra hints there. The e10k is a bit of an odd beast.
19:45<qq_>i'm looking for this ^^^
19:45<qq_>ok blarson , thx
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19:47<venger>if %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL is uncomment in sudoers and user is in group sudo, sudo still requires me to enter the users password at least once in a new terminal. is this expected functionality?
19:47<witte>qq_: very nice :-). There is a #debian-sparc channel and a mailinglist by the way, in case you would need help once you get it
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20:31<hachi>bugs.debian down for anyone else?
20:32<witte>it is quite slow at the moment indeed
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20:33<blarson>hachi: It's not letting me in via ssh to see what is going wrong. :-(
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20:33<hachi>crap, well... good luck to you... I'm cheering
20:34<witte>blarson: no mirrors available (besides don's server)?
20:35<witte>hachi: dondelelcaro mentioned this as an alternative, although i doubt it is meant for general purpose usage:
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20:40<hachi>good enough for me, it let me read the one boog I wanted to
20:40<hachi>thanks a ton for that
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20:44<ney>algem na sala?
20:44<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:46<ney>plase youtube douloads, bat no end/
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20:56<Rollout>question: Gateway FX laptop, I want to attempt a dual boot with debian and vista. I am unclear with my search if debian has all the drivers included or if I am going to play hell trying. I do not have a ton of time to commit to making this happen. Anyone know?
20:56<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>.
20:57<Rollout>been there
20:57<Rollout>was actually thinking there might be a fellow here that had tried it
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20:59<jpinx>Rollout - I have triple boot on an old laptop
20:59<jpinx>patience is a rare virtue.......
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21:13<lucas_amorim>Hello, what NFS packages do I need to install in order to share folders with other debian machines in the local network using gnome frontend
21:14<lucas_amorim>If I go to System>Administration>Shared Folders it tells me I need to install either NFS or SAMBA to use that
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21:15<lucas_amorim>I installed nfs-common but it still complains about the lack of nfs or samba. What else is needed?
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21:20<dpkg>methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or, or read O'Reilly's book online (, or #samba on, or <samba etch5>
21:20<witte>lucas_amorim: a server and a client?
21:20<witte>lucas_amorim: apt-cache search nfs |grep ^nfs
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21:21<dpkg>nfs is, like, Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>.
21:22<witte>lucas_amorim: only use nfs behind a router/firewall unless you like to live dangerously :P
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21:22<sejje>lol @ acronyms
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21:23<lucas_amorim>witte: :( I just want to be able to access my desktop directories from my laptop
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21:23<sejje>i'd use samba
21:23<witte>lucas_amorim: are you on a secure network?
21:24<witte>or you can use sshfs
21:24<dpkg>sshfs is, like, a FUSE-based filesystem that uses ssh. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. (Don't confuse sshfs with shfs.) Sshfs is in the package sshfs. See, or ask me about <fuse>. (remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group)
21:24<witte>sshfs is really neat
21:24<witte>i use it to mount my university home directory from my place
21:24<lucas_amorim>does it have a frontend to gnome?
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21:25<witte>lucas_amorim: note that there is quite some overhead due to ssh
21:25<sejje>witte: is sshfs simple?
21:25<witte>well, you just put it in /etc/fstab, and you mount it when needed
21:25<sejje>is it required at both ends?
21:26<sejje>or does it work through sshd?
21:26<witte>it can be in gnome if you have it configured correctly
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21:27<lucas_amorim>ok, thank you witte! I will try that later!
21:27<witte>don't really remember if it needs two sides (I have no admin permissions at my univ, and they use centos and it worked without problems)
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21:32<sejje>is something up with the server lately? i've noticed a lot of disconnections
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21:36<chealer>sejje: which server?
21:36<sejje>this irc server--maybe it's always that way and i hadn't noticed.
21:36<sejje>people coming and going a lot i suppose.
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21:49<sejje>i have a problem seeing my tty1-6 after i've started X
21:49<sejje>i can switch to them (i think), but the screen is blank, and then i can switch back to X
21:50<sejje>after i close X again, i'm stuck and have to reboot.
21:50<blarson>sejje: Sounds like a bug in your video driver.
21:50<sejje>blarson: from switching resolution maybe?
21:52<blarson>sejje: mode or resolution.
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21:52<sejje>blarson: anywhere in particular you'd start?
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22:00<ty5479>Hey, can anybody help me with a generic linux issue? I would be ever grateful.
22:00<sejje>you'd do better asking it to everyone
22:01<ty5479>Wouldn't asking here be asking everybody?
22:01<sejje>yeah, i'm just saying
22:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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22:01<sejje>ask it, don't ask if you can ask it.
22:02<ty5479>Basically, I have a slow boot in ubuntu. When I hit Ctrl + alt + f1, I get it lingering on a device called SDD, and I also get ata4 SRST failed (Errno=-16)
22:02<ty5479>Buffer i/o error on device sdb, logical block 0.
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22:02<ty5479>So my questoin is: What device is SDB (HD, Floppy, USB flash drive?)
22:03<ty5479>and I dont get what ata4 SRST is, before it was ata6.
22:03<aniki>sdd? sexually transmitted disease ?
22:03<ty5479>Sorry, SDB*
22:03<aniki>oh wait std :D
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22:03<sejje>sexually distributed disease...
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22:04<ty5479>So anybody have any idea?
22:04<sejje>ty5479: i think it's just a hard disk
22:04<ty5479>so does ata4 = SATA device?
22:05<Nemoder> /dev/sd* are serial devices, they can be SATA hard drives or any kind of usb storage
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22:06<ty5479>So what are /dev/hda?
22:06<blarson>Actually, /dev/sd* was origianlly scsi. usb and sata drivers now use them too.
22:06<ty5479>Sorry about all these generic questions.
22:07<blarson>ty5479: /dev/hd* are pata.
22:07<blarson>(or sata with emulated driver)
22:08<ty5479>So with my issue, You think the HD is failing ?, I just find it odd that its only logical block 0.
22:08<ty5479>Wouldnt that be the MBR sector?
22:08<MotoHoss>is ok, or is it just me... I can't get the site to load
22:11<ty5479>Is there like a chkdsk /r equivalent i can do?
22:12<ty5479>MotoHoss: I can't get to it either.
22:12<sejje>MotoHoss: i third-ify that, won't load
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22:15<MotoHoss>thanx. All I did was click on a bookmark and wuz wondering how I could a messed that up.... ;-)
22:15<client>is there away to load up networkmanager from Gnome in Kde?
22:16<client>i dont much like kwifi
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22:16<sejje>client: i think it's network-admin
22:16<paolo>Hi guys! Any idea about printing not working in unstable?
22:16<aniki>sejje> MotoHoss: i third-ify that, won't load <-- why do i find this strangely amusing ? :D lack of sleep i suppose
22:17<sejje>aniki: i wasn't sure of the right word. "i third that!" just sounded ridiculous.
22:17<aniki>thought it a play on certify and third --
22:18<aniki>i guess i will go sleep
22:18<aniki>you have fun
22:18<sejje>sry, i was so much not thinking on that level.
22:18<client>sejje, i think you're right, but in gnome it gives you that nice toolbar icon with strength info and such...
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22:19<sejje>client: sry, i'm not up on it honestly. network-admin is the gnome network configuration, afaik
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22:20<ty5479>So does anybody else have any input on my boot being slow due to the following output: ata4 SRST failed (Errno=-16)
22:20<ty5479>Buffer i/o error on device sdb, logical block 0?
22:20<sejje>client: there might be another one more specific for wireless that you're talking about.
22:21<ty5479>If I try to do fsck, it says it can't perform it to a mounted a drive. Is there like a -r switch to reboot then do it?
22:21<ty5479>Or would I have to go into recovery mode?
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22:31<EricB>ty5479 is this your root partition?
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22:31<ty5479>what do you mean? I believe its only partition when I installed ubuntu.
22:32<ty5479>But the one im trying to fsck is my main drive.
22:32<ty5479>and says its mounted.
22:32<EricB>reboot into single user mode
22:32<ty5479>So I guess the answer would be yes.
22:32<ty5479>iS Single User MOde, same as Recovery from the grub menu?
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22:33<sejje>my grub has a single-user specific
22:33<EricB>you could run sudo init 1
22:33<sejje>i think you can specify runlevel with the reboot command
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22:34<ty5479>okay trying it now.
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22:34<ty5479>how does telinit differ from just init?
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22:35<EricB>telinit will signal init
22:36<ty5479>What is SRST failed (Errno=-16)?
22:36<ty5479>If you know of a good wiki, I wouldnt have to bombard you with questions.
22:36<ty5479>I basically get that alot
22:37<ty5479>and it slows down the ubuntu boot
22:37<ty5479>So im hoping fsck might fix it
22:37<ty5479>sense i get i/o buffer erros on logical block 0
22:37<EricB>your disk is probably bad
22:38<ty5479>Guess I could just swtich out the disc real quick and do a quick reinstall.
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22:44<blarson>ty5479: is down right now.
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22:47<ty5479>im switching out my HD now. Then reinstalling.
22:48<sejje>ty5479: GL!
22:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:50<ty5479>Aww =(, Yeah the ubuntu help channel is not too good.
22:50<ranix>-help channel
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22:51<ty5479>How does Debian compare to ubuntu?, I'm just using it because Im just trying to learn the basics first.
22:51<ty5479>Just seems like ubuntu is the most 'user friendly' for lack of a better word.
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22:51<sejje>i think ubuntu is supposedly more user-friendly
22:52<sejje>i've never used ubuntu
22:52<ranix>how does a locomotive compare to a hyundai tiburon
22:52<sejje>and honestly, i don't think debian is all that unfriendly
22:52<ty5479>So you think I should just switch to Debian completly?
22:52<ranix>one is good and strong and goes exactly where it needs to be
22:52<ranix>the other one has a lot of message boards about idiots praising it and how inexpensive it is
22:53<sejje>i like debian because there's no bloat--i start with a netinst and it keeps the machine running uber-fast.
22:53<ranix>and it's ricer trash
22:53<ty5479>The only other distros ive tried is mandrake, and Slackware
22:53<ranix>that's a pretty good analogy actually
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22:54<ty5479>Really ubuntu compared to windows is about the same comparison.
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22:55<rodna01>I got a lot of trouble writing for a mounted vfat hdd - I use lenny amd64 - how can I change that ?
22:55<rodna01>I formated the hdd with fat32
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22:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it.
22:59<snogglethorpe>rodna01: ugh
22:59<snogglethorpe>you formated a hard drive with fat32?
23:00<midget>I think windows can read ext2|ext3 using a driver. Am I wrong on this?
23:00<sejje>midget: no, that's correct
23:00<sejje>midget: i set it up in about 2 minutes, including google search
23:00<rodna01>snoggle Yes - I have dual booting with vista on a laptop
23:00<sejje>midget: sry, but i can't remember the site/driver name
23:01<midget>so, rodna01 you better use one of those FS, basically because they support permissions
23:01<rodna01>sejje: that nice to know - I better do that then :)
23:01<midget>sejje: I'm not interested on the driver anyway ;)
23:01<sejje>rodna01: yeah, it's easier than vice-versa, if you're just moving files back and forth
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23:01<sejje>midget: yeah, my bad.
23:01<midget>I use ext3 on /boot and xfs
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23:02<rodna01>however I have some external drives which also give me a hell lot of time to write on them
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23:04<midget>rodna01: could be the USB port speed + HD speed... who knows
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23:06<midget>sejje: where do I get a list of available commands as '!vfat' you typed before?
23:07<sejje>midget: i don't know if there's a list, but you can query the bot (dpkg) with /msg
23:07<sejje>like /msg dpkg blah
23:07<midget>sejje: ok.. thanks
23:07<sejje>sometimes i have to try a few before i get the one i like ;)
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23:07<midget>sejje: heheh
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23:09<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>
23:10<sejje>for you midget :)
23:10<midget>sejje: grat!
23:10<midget>sejje: great!
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23:13<midget>seems wiki.d.o is down right now :(
23:13<sejje>it is, yes
23:13<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know what happened to It's not responding to my request to view bug reports.
23:14<sejje>it may have went down the tubes with
23:14<abrotman>it's down
23:14<blarson>bugs and wiki are on the same system.
23:14<ranix>got flushed down the intertubes
23:14<abrotman>kingsley: IIRC should work
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23:15<sejje>lol, unless you're tb
23:16<kingsley>OK. Thank you.
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