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00:10<chowderandeggs>I am trying to build a debian firewall and am concerned with hardening it, what would be an intelligent partitioning scheme?
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00:16<Ryan52>chowderandeggs: that has nothing to do with hardeningn it...
00:17<Ryan52>chowderandeggs: if your afraid of somebody stealing the hard drive out of it and getting your stuff off of it, then you should use encrypted.
00:17<dmoerner>chowderandeggs: have you read the securing debian doc on my personal recommendation is to just have relatively strict permissions on /tmp
00:18<Ryan52>chowderandeggs: and if you care about surviving hard drive failures you should use 2 disks in a mirroring (or parity) raid array.
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00:18<Ryan52>chowderandeggs: if your gonna open ssh to the internet, you should install fail2ban and/or disable password login via ssh
00:18<Ryan52>EOR (end of recommendations)
00:20<dmoerner>Ryan52: i think his question is whether he should put /var, /tmp, etc. on separate partitions and mount some as nodev, nosuid, noexec, etc.
00:20<Ryan52>oh. that makes sense :P
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00:30<p1ngp0ng>anyone here know of a good ISP for unmetered 100mbit dedicated server?
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01:45<DaveLib>hello does anyone know if synaptic or adept have an invocation option for browse mode only where they are dsafe from applying changes to the system?
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01:50<miksuh>DaveLib: I don't think so, but why you need something like that? You need to select package for the installation/uninstallation and then click apply-button. It's quite hard to eg. uninstall something by mistake
01:51<DaveLib>i am runing disto sidux i was asking this in #sidux they told me #debian would know more about synaptic and adept
01:51<miksuh>well as I said I don't think synaptic has option like that
01:51<DaveLib>in sidux based on debian sid we should have X shut down to to dist-upgrades
01:51<DaveLib>ok thanks
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01:53<miksuh>I have not used adept much so I'm not sure about it
01:53<Ryan52>DaveLib: iirc, synaptic does just that if you don't use sudo (and run it as a normal user). then it will ask for the root password if you try to install/uninstall something.
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01:55<tlmiller>Hello, is there a build out or in progress that supports installing the root partition on a raid10 mdX?
01:56<Ryan52>tlmiller: yes, the weekly and daily builds do.
01:56<tlmiller>Is the amd64 port behind those builds?
01:56<DaveLib>thanks Ryan52
01:57<Ryan52>tlmiller: where did you download it from?
01:57<DaveLib>i just cllaed synatouic and it asked me for root password to start
01:57<Ryan52>tlmiller: I'm talking about the lenny daily/weekly builds.
01:57<DaveLib>i will try again and leave passwerod blank see if it lets me start
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01:58<miksuh>Ryan52: hmm, yep you are right. i didn't remeber it runs whitout root rights
01:59<tlmiller>I'm currently working with a daily download of the amd64 which I realize now isn't exactly the same as debian proper so I'm trying to figure out which to go with.
01:59<miksuh>DaveLib: try to start it from command line /usr/sbin/synaptic
01:59<Ryan52>tlmiller: where did you download it from?
02:00<Ryan52>and I dunno what you mean by debian proper...
02:01<tlmiller>I don't remember the *exact* link I downloaded it from. followed some links... ended up on debian amd64 netinst and downloaded it.
02:02<Ryan52>there are a lot of amd64 netinsts
02:02<Ryan52>it could be etch, lenny beta 2, lenny weekly build, or lenny daily build.
02:02<DaveLib>thanks miksuh
02:02<Ryan52>tlmiller: if it's etch or beta2 it doesn't have it
02:02<DaveLib>i am going to relog it is auotmatically givineng my root privlegdes rrom my previous su\ignin
02:03<Ryan52>tlmiller: weekly and daily for i386 do have it. amd64 I am almost certain does, because it's been 22 days since the version of mdcfg that supports raid 6 and 10 was released.
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02:04<tlmiller>beta2 sounds right, I'm rebooting to see what the expert installer identifies itself as
02:04<Ryan52>I don't think it will...
02:05<Ryan52>no, it doesn't.
02:05<Ryan52>though go into the installer
02:05<Ryan52>I have no clue to see which version of a package is being used...
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02:06<tlmiller>OK - it's CD Debian GNU/Linux LennyBeta2 "Lenny" - Official Beta amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20080608-11:10 per the installer.
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02:07<Ryan52>tlmiller: ya. raid10 was only available since aug 1st.
02:07<Ryan52>tlmiller: so use the weekly build.
02:07<tlmiller>Odd that' it's 20080608 (That's June right?) since I downloaded it last week as what I thought was a daily build.
02:07<Ryan52>it says beta 2
02:08<Ryan52>you pasted the word LennyBeta2
02:08<Ryan52>the beta 2 only comes out once. so it can't be a daily build.
02:08<tlmiller>Yeah, I see that and comprehend. I know I selected "daily" at the time though
02:09<tlmiller>Is the amd64 an official debian 'product'?
02:09<Ryan52>it's an official port. that's a yes.
02:12<Ryan52>tlmiller: oh. duh. I just realized. mdcfg is arch all.
02:13<Ryan52>tlmiller: so it only needs to be built on 1 architecture and can be used for them all.
02:13<tlmiller>I'm not clear on how that would help with with a fresh install
02:14<tlmiller>I always google for the 'daily build' or weekly and spend forever hunting it down. Is there a logical organization to where these builds are found?
02:15<tlmiller>I'm there.
02:15<tlmiller>Don't see daily or weekly anything
02:15<Ryan52>that's etch
02:16<tlmiller>Etch is old isn't it?
02:16<Ryan52>yes very.
02:16<Ryan52>older than lenny beta 2
02:16<Ryan52>look in
02:17<tlmiller>ok but what did you follow off to get there? I'd like to get there again without having to rely on bookmarks
02:17<Ryan52>I looked at my script that downloads it for me :)
02:17<Ryan52>but at one point I figured that out from
02:18<Ryan52>go to
02:18<Ryan52>go to getting debian
02:18<Ryan52>click http/ftp
02:18<Ryan52>click on "testing" link
02:18<Ryan52>click on amd64
02:19<Ryan52>then ise-cd
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02:19<Ryan52>tlmiller: oh, I gave you the URL to i385 :P
02:20*Ryan52 hates copy and paste mistakes
02:21<tlmiller>I am now here:
02:21<Ryan52>oh. no netinst.
02:21<tlmiller>Never would have found that from the main page
02:22<tlmiller>I'm looking at a netinst in that location
02:23<Ryan52>curl 2>/dev/null | grep -q netinst && echo "FOUND IT"
02:23<Ryan52>outputs nothing...
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02:23<Ryan52>but w/e. you got it, so I don't care if I can or not.
02:24<tlmiller>Yep, d/l now. thanks
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02:26<MadHag>can anyone suggest a good webmail package for etch
02:26<Ryan52>MadHag: squirrel mail
02:27<MadHag>easy to install?
02:27<tlmiller>I liked Neomail because I could bounce between mutt/pine and neomail without running imap
02:27<Ryan52>tlmiller: how?
02:27<Ryan52>tlmiller: oh, nevermind.
02:27*Ryan52 finds himself a brain
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02:28<Ryan52>err, tries to find himself a brain...see I'm doing it again :)
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02:28<Ryan52>MadHag: yes.
02:29<chetcer>Any idea why vlc+gaim might be segfaulting after I temporarily booted into a 2.6.22 kernel? (Now I'm back on the usual Etch 2.6.18, but gaim and vlc always segfault, even if i reboot)
02:29<Ryan52>what debian? are you on an etch or mixed of some sort?
02:30<chetcer>etch and i think i grabbed the 2.6.22 kernel from a while ago
02:30<chetcer>i don't use it because network doesn't work in it
02:30<chetcer>all i did was boot it for a sec, logged in, restarted
02:30<chetcer>and now vlc/gaim constantly segfault
02:30<chetcer>i've rebooted
02:30<chetcer>i've purged
02:30<chetcer>can't figure it out
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02:38<tlmiller>checter does it happen for a user account with a fresh homedir? E.g. When you purged did you also dump or rename their .vlc, .purple and .gconf or whichever other folder it may use?
02:39<chetcer>hm no
02:39<Ryan52>save them.
02:39<Ryan52>just move them aside temporarily.
02:40<chetcer>will try
02:41<MadHag>Ryan52, roundcube looks good
02:41<chetcer>Ryan52: same :(
02:41<Ryan52>MadHag: never used it...
02:41<Ryan52>chetcer: anything else do this?
02:42<chetcer>i purged vlc removed the user's home dir installed vlc, still segfault
02:42<chetcer>maybe i'll restart before the reinstall
02:42*Ryan52 got that
02:42<Ryan52>chetcer: no, don't do that.
02:42<chetcer>note though
02:42<chetcer>if i run vlc as root
02:42<chetcer>no segfault
02:42<tlmiller>Nothing fancy in the syslog?
02:43<Ryan52>okay, time to get out gdb :)
02:44<chetcer>never used it
02:44<chetcer>how do i used it ^^
02:45<chetcer>but yeah no segfault as root only user
02:46<Ryan52>adduser new_chetcer
02:46<tlmiller>Segfault as a brand new user?
02:46<chetcer>i'll try
02:46<Ryan52>log in as new_chatcer
02:46<Ryan52>and try it again.
02:46<Ryan52>then once it works, start copying dot files from your normal user to new_chatcer until it fails.
02:47<chetcer>no segfault on new user
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02:47<tlmiller>does that rely on permissions being set on /dev/audio or such?
02:47<Ryan52>tlmiller: then the new user would be failing too.
02:47<tlmiller>oh I missed that
02:48<tlmiller>could be a default group?
02:51<Ryan52>chetcer: cp -a /home/chetcer/* /home/chetcer/.* /home/new_chetcer/; chown -R new_chetcer:new_chetcer /home/new_chetcer
02:51<Ryan52>chetcer: and try again
02:52<Ryan52>chetcer: (as the new user)
02:52<chetcer>it's running
02:52<chetcer>not running
02:52<chetcer>oh no
02:53<chetcer>dangerously low on HDD space
02:53<Ryan52>CTRL-C that.
02:53<chetcer>fkin A
02:54<chetcer>now 1.7GB free
02:54<Ryan52>ya, do the copy with only the .* part.
02:55<chetcer>.* is matching *
02:56<chetcer>even \.* is the same as *
02:56<chetcer>just copies it all
02:56<Ryan52>cp -a /home/chetcer/.* /home/new_chetcer/
02:56<chetcer>doesn't restrict to things only starting with '.'
02:56<chetcer>i didn't do that -a
02:56<chetcer>w/e i'll try it
02:56<Ryan52>that won't affect the glob
02:56<Ryan52>the glob is interpretted by bash, I think.
02:57<chetcer>everything is still matched!
02:57<chetcer>need to restrict to things starting with '.'
02:57<chetcer>and nothing's worked sofar >_<
02:58<MadHag>Ryan52, squirillmail apt-get??
02:58<Ryan52>MadHag: if you spel it right, yes.
02:59<MadHag>that helps
02:59<Ryan52>tlmiller: is your install working?
02:59<chetcer>i ah
03:00<chetcer>i think .?*
03:00<chetcer>will do it
03:00<tlmiller>I'm rebuilding the arrays at the moment.
03:00<Ryan52>tlmiller: so your not using the debian installer to do it?
03:01<tlmiller>Not at the moment... I could probably though huh?
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03:01<tlmiller>alright I'll dump it back to bare disks and try the installer to create them
03:03<chetcer>.??* seems to be working
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03:03<chetcer>.?* matched '..' so it went out then back in cause it was recursive and grabbed non '.'- stuff
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03:05*Ryan52 cries
03:05<Ryan52>for whatever reason, none of my cron jobs ran today.
03:06<chetcer>operating at 99% HDD usage is a bitch ^^
03:06<tlmiller>It's the weekend.
03:06<tlmiller>They wanted vaca
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03:07<Ryan52>I know that cron rereads crontab automatically. does it do the same for cron.d?
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03:08*Ryan52 restarts cron and manually runs his scripts
03:08<tlmiller>I always restart the service just to be sure
03:09<Ryan52>I do for everything but cron. and I don't know why.
03:10<chetcer>this is hard to test
03:11<chetcer>how can a allow the newuser to run X apps?
03:12<Ryan52>wow these people must think I'm stupid.
03:13*tlmiller waits for the evidence
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03:14<Ryan52>I can't figure out how to run my script that cron is supposed to run for me.
03:15<Ryan52>and I just caused 4 emails to the sysadmin list at my organization.
03:15<Ryan52>one of which contained a ruby error. the other 3 reported incorrect problems. (1 because I ran it on the wrong server, the other 2 because it's past midnight)
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03:17<tlmiller>aw man, this installer only has raid0, 1 and 5 too
03:17<Ryan52>you downloaded the weekly?
03:17<MadHag>installed squirrelmail but cant seem to access it
03:17<Ryan52>MadHag: you need to set up apache
03:17<tlmiller>Squirrelmail uses imap
03:18<Ryan52>that too
03:18<MadHag>whats the apche restart command please
03:18<chetcer>at this point i'm thinking it would be easier to temp move my old user home out
03:18<Ryan52>invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
03:18<chetcer>and slowly move it back in
03:18<chetcer>will try that ;x
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03:19<Ryan52>tlmiller: I know that the current weekly has it
03:19<tlmiller>I grabbed a daily build of testing
03:19*Ryan52 knows it has it
03:20<Ryan52>well, I know the i386 one has it. but it would be really weird if the amd64 didn't when the i386 one does.
03:21<MadHag>crap got some errors
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03:22<tlmiller>I am here and not seeing a netinst
03:23<Ryan52>tlmiller: daily builds have it too.
03:23<chetcer>it's 100% some .* config file fscking something up
03:23<chetcer>works with a clean dir
03:23*Ryan52 opens up virtualbox to test himself
03:23<chetcer>now we'll see
03:24<chetcer>who the culprit was
03:24<Ryan52>MadHag: change all VirtualHost * to VirtualHost *:80
03:24<Ryan52>oh, crap.
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03:25<Ryan52>MadHag: did you use the default squirrelmail config file
03:25<MadHag>sure, just edited smtp port
03:25<Ryan52>tlmiller: okay, I tested. daily build has raid10.
03:25<Ryan52>MadHag: no, I mean the apache part.
03:25<tlmiller>I d/l'ed debian-testing-amd64-netinst
03:25<MadHag>I think so, not messed with that
03:26<Ryan52>MadHag: ya, change all VirtualHost * to VirtalHost *:80 then
03:26<Ryan52>MadHag: in all of your config files
03:26<chetcer>it's a theme issue
03:26<Ryan52>ugh. themes.
03:26<chetcer>my ~/.icons/ dir was causing it
03:26<MadHag>ok, thanks
03:26<Ryan52>chetcer: that shouldn't cause a segfault though...
03:26<Ryan52>chetcer: you should see if the problem happens in lenny and file a bug if it does.
03:26<chetcer>who thought some damn icons (and more than likely a lack of them) would cause gaim and vlc to segfault
03:27<tlmiller>How come the files in 'unstable' are labeled 'testing' ? I thought testing was another branch completely?
03:27<chetcer>i guess i'll pinpoint the exact file
03:27<Ryan52>tlmiller: where are you seeing this?
03:27<chetcer>or subdir at least
03:27<Ryan52>tlmiller: it's built against unstable
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03:28<tlmiller>So unstable it can't even hold it's own name I suppose?
03:28<Ryan52>tlmiller: :| anyway, is that what you downloaded it from?
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03:28<Ryan52>cause using todays bussiness card i386 daily build, I see my precious raid 6 and 10
03:31<tlmiller>My mozilla doesn't seem to want to change the link on the actual one I downloaded. I grabbed it from the amd64 folder though
03:32<chetcer>the existence of that file makes vlc segfault
03:32<chetcer>i rm ~/.icons/gartoon/index.theme
03:32<chetcer>and vlc runs!
03:32<tlmiller>Yep, I don't have those last 2 choices
03:33<Ryan52>chetcer: test with lenny (with your entire .icons directory the same). if it still exists then please file a bug report.
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03:34<tlmiller>ok, This one *should* have it, right?
03:35<Ryan52>tlmiller: try the business card
03:35<Ryan52>tlmiller: it shouldn't make a difference...but, that's what I am using when I do have it.
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03:41<tlmiller>Awesome. The business card ISO stares from a boot prompt saying "Could not find kernel image: linux"
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03:42<Ryan52>I wonder if I can test amd64 images some how...
03:42<tlmiller>You'd be able to boot them in VB at least
03:43*Ryan52 starts downloading
03:43<tlmiller>I downloaded this guy
03:43<tlmiller>another coaster.
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03:44<tlmiller>So would that be a bug report?
03:44*Ryan52 wants to see it for himself before telling you to make a bug report
03:45<tlmiller>It's starting to look like the whole amd64 d/l hierarchy is fishy
03:45<Ryan52>I know it works fine
03:46<Ryan52>1 sec. let me actually read my emails.
03:46*Ryan52 can reproduce the problem
03:46<bougi>hello, I would like to ask what flavor should I use for this CPU ? It's a Intel Core 2 Duo processor T8100. ia64 or amd64
03:46<Ryan52>bougi: amd65
03:46<Ryan52>err 64
03:47<Ryan52>ia64 is for itanium processors
03:47<dpkg>[fqdn] Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, ''
03:47<bougi>Ryan52: ok, thanks!
03:47<Ryan52>MadHag: you can '/msg dpkg fqdn'
03:48<MadHag>how do I add or edit the fqdn?
03:48<Ryan52>MadHag: in what?
03:49<MadHag>no such file or directory?
03:49<Ryan52>tlmiller: skimming my inbox I don't see anything that seems to report that problem unless it's really might want to check open bug reports for...some debian installer piece.
03:50<Ryan52>MadHag: from what? what's saying this? in what context? which file is it trying to see?
03:50<Ryan52>MadHag: lots of things say 'no such file or directory'
03:50<tlmiller>Well the businesscard was the only one so far that was broken.
03:50<MadHag>when I ran that fqdn command you posted
03:50<Ryan52>MadHag: I didn't run a command...did I?
03:51<Ryan52>err, I didn't say a command.
03:51<Ryan52>I asked you a question :P
03:51<MadHag>on here :)
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03:51<MadHag>going to have a coffe and calm down a bit :)
03:52*Ryan52 wishes he could do that. but he should be asleep right now and coffee would just make that worse.
03:52<tlmiller>These daily builds have a -1 and -2 and sometimes -3. I assume it's because they run them multiple times per day, but is that assumption accurate?
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03:58<Ryan52>tlmiller: it seems all daily builds of amd64 are broken...hrm.
03:59<Ryan52>tlmiller: try yesterdays
03:59<Ryan52>wait dont
03:59<Ryan52>dont waste a cd
03:59<tlmiller>I was going back to the 20th
03:59<Ryan52>I'll try first
03:59<Ryan52>and the 20 didn't work?
04:00<tlmiller>I didn't pull it yet
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04:00<tlmiller>I was parallel searching the bug reporting page
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04:00<Ryan52>it's not on the debian installer today wiki page, and I would expect it to be...
04:01<tlmiller>Must not be discovered yet?
04:01<Ryan52>tlmiller: yesterdays works fine
04:01<Ryan52>well. it makes it to the boot prompt
04:02<Ryan52>wget -O debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
04:02<Ryan52>I get to the 'this kernel is for this when your cpu is this' error that I expected...
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04:06<Ryan52>tlmiller: did you file that installation report?
04:07<Ryan52>that's funny
04:07<Ryan52>that's really funny
04:07<Ryan52>Subject: Bug#496285: installation-report: no raid10 suppport in installer
04:07<Ryan52>ehem. Image version: netinst, lenny beta2
04:07<tlmiller>Bug#8675309: Installer fails to boot
04:07<Ryan52>that would be your problem person who files bug report.
04:08*tlmiller made it up
04:08<Ryan52>tlmiller: that's a bug number!
04:08<Ryan52>you gotta be more realistic
04:09<tlmiller>problem person?
04:09<Ryan52>that would be your problem, person who files bug report.
04:09<Ryan52>commas help make things make sense
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04:11<tlmiller>Yeah, that bug covers what I'm looking to do. I wonder what the turn around time will be?
04:11<MadHag>Ryan52, where do I edit the virtualhosts in apache.conf?
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04:12<Ryan52>MadHag: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/blah
04:12<Ryan52>tlmiller: for what? huh?
04:12<tlmiller>No raid10, that number you posted is for the same one I was downloading, isn't it?
04:13<Ryan52>tlmiller: raid10 support has already been added.
04:13<Ryan52>tlmiller: trust me, I would know, I'm the one who did it.
04:13<MadHag>I have a 000-default in there
04:13<Ryan52>tlmiller: and it was added at the beginning of august
04:13<Ryan52>tlmiller: which was after beta 2 was released
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04:14<Ryan52>tlmiller: so beta 2 isn't going to have it yet. but newer should...
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04:14<tlmiller>ok I'm slow. It's only 4:14 AM here. :)
04:14<MadHag>not much in there?
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04:14<Ryan52>MadHag: what are you trying to do?
04:15<MadHag>change all VirtualHost * to VirtalHost *:80
04:15<Ryan52>MadHag: okay. so do that.
04:15<MadHag>nothing in the file?
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04:15<Ryan52>ummm...i dunno
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04:17<MadHag>ok, thanks
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04:18<Ryan52>tlmiller: do you really *need* to use amd64? :)
04:19<tlmiller>If I want to see my 6 GB of RAM....
04:19<Ryan52>wow! nice!
04:20<Ryan52>aren't there PAE kernels for i386?
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04:20<tlmiller>it's that crappy DDR3 stuff
04:21<tlmiller>Burns my finger when I touch it
04:21*Ryan52 is scared to know what kind of processor tlmiller has
04:22<tlmiller>q6600 because they're cheap
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04:23<Ryan52>tlmiller: so ya, did you try yesterdays?
04:23<empty>hi everyone
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04:23<empty>hi everyone
04:24<empty>hi everyone
04:24<empty>hi everyone
04:24<empty>hi everyone
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04:24<tlmiller>I'm trying it now. The first trip into it I got as far as the partitioner and it exploded there.
04:24<Ryan52>thank you FloodServ :)
04:24<tlmiller>Froze saying starting the partition manager
04:24<Ryan52>how long did you give it?
04:24<Ryan52>it can take a little while.
04:25<tlmiller>It's sitting there starting 20 sec's ago.
04:25<tlmiller>waiting longer this time
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04:25<Ryan52>does it say anything useful?
04:26<tlmiller>Not really. It says "Starting up the partition manager" 52%, Please wait. and never moves
04:26<Ryan52>I mean in ctrl-alt-f4
04:27<tlmiller>partman: reading all physical volumes. this may take a while
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04:27<Ryan52>well there's your answer. it may take a while.
04:28<tlmiller>kernel: 83.003096 program parted_devices is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert to SG_IO
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04:29<Ryan52>thats not important...
04:29<tlmiller>well the last item it wrote was main-menu[12294] info main item 'partman-base' selected
04:30<tlmiller>and it's been the same since
04:30<Ryan52>and ctrl-alt-f1 is still 'frozen'?
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04:30<tlmiller>yes most definitely
04:31<Ryan52>btw, with current daily build amd64 netinst I get the syslinux errors too. which means at first you weren't using that at first...
04:31<MadHag>do ubuntu pay debian anything?
04:32<tlmiller>They really should label their downloads better.
04:32<tlmiller>like "unstable" shouldn't say.... testing.
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04:32<Ryan52>tlmiller: well, you can fix it.
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04:32<Ryan52>tlmiller: I'm sure they would love a patch to make things make more sense.
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04:32<tlmiller>No I cannot. It's bigger than me.
04:33<Ryan52>tlmiller: then don't be complaining :)
04:33<tlmiller>Pointing out the obvious is complaining? Seems to me someone is touchy. :)
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04:34<Ryan52>who? me? nah. :)
04:34<tlmiller>If I didn't live in the middle of no where I'd go to meetings and be active in any way I could. I was looking up LUG's just tonight actually. The closest one is 2 hours away
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04:37<tlmiller>I'm convinced the partman isn't going to recover. I'll have to try a different build I think
04:37<Ryan52>well. if you ever get one to work you should do an install report. then if you get one to work you should do a install report for all of the failed images.
04:38<Ryan52>if you can't find a bug that already reports the issue, of course
04:38*Ryan52 goes to pretend to go to sleep now
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04:39<MadHag>you should get some kip its not good to stay awake when the body wants to switch off for a while
04:40<MadHag>not life and death on here I think
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05:49<MadHag>well I have installed squirrelmail what else do I need to do to get it working, I thought it was fully automated installation?
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05:49<MadHag>If your operating system distribution provides prepackaged SquirrelMail, it might be a good idea to use that. The drawback is that you probably don't have the latest and greatest version. But on the plus side: the whole installation step is managed for you, it integrates better with the rest of your system and you're provided with security updates automatically.
05:50<MadHag>installed fine
05:53<petemc>theres a tool to configure it
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05:54<MadHag>do I have to be in the directory for that
05:55<petemc>it should be in your path
05:55<petemc>you'll want to make sure apache is set up as you require too
05:55<MadHag>I have configured that earlier
05:55<petemc>you knew where squirrelmail would be installed?
05:55<MadHag>its apache where my problem lies I think
05:56<petemc>you should probably have a look in /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/
05:56<MadHag>it told me to do it when I first installed, plus I have been reading the sm docs
05:56<MadHag>apache is my problem I think
05:56<MadHag>httpd.conf is empty
05:57<MadHag>not very clear the docs
05:57<MadHag>for me anyway
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06:09<jMCg>There's already three or so articles on on how to live with a Debian apache installation...
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06:31<fxiny>dpkg: are you solving sudoku ?
06:31<dpkg>fxiny: I don't know, could you explain it?
06:31<fxiny>yes : browse to
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06:32<simplechat>fxiny, woo slashdot
06:32<fxiny>simplechat: hehehe
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06:32<fxiny>debian rulez !
06:33<simplechat>as does slashdot
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06:37<simplechat>hey, what ports does debian need to run its autoupdater?
06:38<weasel>there is no autoupdater.
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06:41<ScottH>Trying to build the acx100-source on vanilla 2.6.24-etchnhalf kernel, fails with missing config.h using module-assistant...anyone overcome this or similiar? Have tried symlinking, fails with yet more errors afterwards
06:41<simplechat>weasel, sorry, for apt
06:42<simplechat>aptitude update doesn't seem to like only having ports 21, 80 and 443 open
06:42<weasel>simplechat: that depends. what do you have in your sources.list?
06:42<simplechat>what else does it need?
06:42<simplechat>deb etch main
06:42<simplechat>deb etch/updates main
06:42<weasel>then you need port 80 for the http.
06:42<weasel>can you resolve the hostnames?
06:42<simplechat>good question
06:43<simplechat>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
06:43<simplechat>resolves nicely
06:43<simplechat>just can't do the connection
06:43<weasel>then where does apt-get update fail?
06:44<simplechat>0% [Connecting to (] [Connecting to (]
06:44<simplechat>sits there
06:44<simplechat>never gets any further
06:44<weasel>well, then your firewalling is broken.
06:44<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>ping the server
06:44<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I get 53ms
06:45<simplechat>weasel, ?
06:45<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>avg of 49ms
06:45<simplechat>firewalling is fine
06:45<weasel>simplechat: if it was fine it'd work.
06:45<weasel>it doesn't, therefore you screwed up.
06:45<simplechat>this is odd
06:45<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>simplechat: what ISP do you have?
06:46<simplechat>GhostlyDeath|Laptop, this is running off a ded box
06:46<simplechat>*dedi box
06:46<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I get multiple IPs from
06:47<GhostlyDeath|Laptop> (~35ms) and (~49ms)
06:47<weasel>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: what is *your* point?
06:47<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>try both of those servers
06:47<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>also try going to a normal web site
06:47<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>if that doesn't work, then something is wrong with the connection
06:47<simplechat>its an iptables problem
06:49<simplechat>iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -m state \
06:49<simplechat> --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -o eth0 -p tcp \
06:49<simplechat> -m multiport --dport 80,443,53,21 -m multiport --sport 1024:65535
06:49<simplechat>thats the rule
06:49<simplechat>but its not appearing in the actual iptables -L listing
06:50<simplechat>and now for some reason iptables is complaining that it can't find it
06:50<simplechat>that -m isn't defined
06:50<simplechat>(even though it hasn't been changed for awhile)
06:50<simplechat>more "WTF?... *sigh*"
06:50<simplechat>but a sigh nonetheless
06:51<simplechat>it can't work out the first -m
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06:51<lindi->simplechat: '--destination-port,--dport [!] port[:port]' is the syntax. you can't have multiple ports listed with --dport. you mean --dports maybe?
06:52<simplechat>lindi-, hmmm. changed --dport to --dports
06:52<simplechat>Bad argument ` '
06:52<tcsetattr>and --sports too.
06:52<simplechat>--sport seems to work fine in all the other rules that its using
06:52<tcsetattr>plus I don't think you need -m multiport twice, just once should activate all the options in that module
06:52<simplechat>(this is at the end of maybe 30 or so rules)
06:52<tcsetattr>--sport is for one port; --sports is for multiport
06:53<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Does the : and , make a difference?
06:53<lindi->--sport is for port or portrange, you have portrange so you can use --sport
06:53<weasel>that --sport is useless anyway.
06:53<weasel>as is the --state match
06:54<simplechat>why is the state match useless?
06:54<weasel>ask yourself that. if you can't figure it out you shouldn't build your firewall that way in the first place.
06:54<simplechat>iptables v1.3.6: multiport can only have one option
06:54<simplechat>weasel, i take it thats the default
06:55<simplechat>thats working nicely
06:55<simplechat>so the -s is useless because thats just the default anyway?
06:56<simplechat>weasel, i'm here to learn :)
06:56<weasel>simplechat: you should learn about KISS first.
06:56<weasel>(also, output limiting is almost always a stupid idea to begin with. you gain almost zero security through it anyway)
06:57<simplechat>more information?
06:57<simplechat>GhostlyDeath|Laptop, on a console only server?
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06:57<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>simplechat: find an X faking thing
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06:58<simplechat>whats the point/
06:58<simplechat>i don't need X on the server
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07:02<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>easy firewall management
07:02<gsimmons>ScottH: Etch's version (20060521-3) is simply too old for use with 2.6.24. Manually install the 'acx100-source' package from testing (, then retry your m-a command. This compiles without issue on an etchnhalf kernel.
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07:03<ScottH>thanks gsimmons... Reckon it's worth me filing a bug against it, being as how I have used solely apt-get in the stable branch to get the kernel and source?
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07:05<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-image-2.6-686' returned no results.
07:06<gsimmons>ScottH: No. See limitation #4 in the Etch-And-A-Half Release Notes.
07:08<ScottH>ahhhh... right. Thanks. Was unaware etch wasn't stable anymore.
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07:10<mib_9o5lb3>Hi :)
07:12<rr0d>hello mib_9o5lb3
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07:16<simplechat>ScottH, etch isn't stable anymore?
07:16<simplechat>whats stable?
07:16<mib_9o5lb3>I wonder if someone here has succeeded to use the ath5k driver for atheros chipset (wifi cards). When I remove the ath_pci module and modprobe it, I set my connection to the AP and I still get a "Destination Host Unreachable" on pings :(
07:16<lindi->mib_9o5lb3: what hardware?
07:16<ScottH>i meant stable as opposed to testing
07:17<mib_9o5lb3>lindi-: a D-link DWL-G520.
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07:24<duc>Good afternoon, I was wondering if anyone knew if there was such a thing as a weekly update to the lenny hd-media installer images?
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07:25<simplechat>weasel, why don't youlike running output limiting?
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07:25<duc>I've been poking around on cd-image. and ftp. and can't find one, I need a newer than 2.4.26 kernel to avoid a segfault on network detect but finding a matching installer img and net install.iso is proving challenging.
07:25<seinkalar>Where can i find yang?
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07:26<duc>duh, 2.6.26 even, sorry typo.
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07:33<morphium>hi, how can i tell debian to always put sda as sda and sdb as sdb and so on? (it mixes up this every reboot, sometimes sda and sdb are sdg and sdh or sdc and sdd)
07:34<Guest3312>my name is david and I just installed debian lenny testing. The installation worked fine but when I tried to start debian it says: ALERT! bootdevice may be renamed
07:34<Guest3312>can someone help me?
07:35<Guest3312>I already tried to edit the boot path to sda1 but then all mixes up ... :(
07:35<duc>What version of debian are you running morphium and do you know if you're using udev?
07:36<morphium>duc: lenny and yes an udevd is running
07:36<meebey>morphium: use labels or uuids for the partions then the device name does not matter, like this:
07:37<meebey>afaik there is no tool that can rename devices like we have for network interfaces (iftab)
07:37<morphium>meebey thats not what i want. i want to tell debian somehow what uuid should get what sd[a-h]
07:37<duc>Or couldn't he pin the device names in his udev rules file meebey?
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07:38<meebey>duc: dont think so, the device name is made by the kernel, in order of initialization of the device... I have the same issue with racy drivers :(
07:38<Scruples>heh, try etch, buggy
07:38<meebey>s/in/+ the/
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07:39<Scruples>my wifi card worked fine using the k networking manager, then I went into the control panel set it to use dhcp and now k network manager cant find the card :P
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07:39<meebey>actually its not a device name, its the nod that lifes in /dev
07:39<duc>Yes, sorry.
07:40<meebey>dont know if udev supports some way to map devices to something else, but it will not change the nod though
07:40<Guest3312>isnt't there anyone to help me??
07:40<enouf>use a friggin label or uuid, or build your own damned os, you weenies - stop thinking like a windows using idiot - and if you're constantly moving drives around, then you don't deserve to own it
07:40<massmc>how do i switch windows in irssi?
07:41<amphi>enouf: ouf, an onjoin apoplexy ;)
07:41<enouf>amphi: ;-)
07:41<amphi>massmc: ctrl-p/n previous/next, amongst othersw
07:41<Scruples>massmc channel command
07:41<Scruples>or what amphi said
07:41<meebey>enouf: -EATTITUDE, some linux drivers are broken and racy, they come up with different order by just rebooting a few times without touching the hardware
07:41<enouf>Guest3312: edit what boot path
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07:41<massmc>ty amphy
07:42<ScottH>gsimmons - Thanks mate, all appears to be working just fine now
07:42<enouf>meebey: never happens for me .. oh well
07:42<gsimmons>ScottH: np
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07:42<meebey>enouf: you dont have multiple controllers probably
07:42<morphium>even with one controller...
07:42<meebey>it happens with intel SATA vs 3ware SATA for me for example
07:42<enouf>i do, but no, i don't do gadgets
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07:43<enouf>sata / libata are a work in progress :-P
07:43<meebey>morphium: that must be a funny driver then, which controller is it?
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07:43<Scruples>enouf funny I thought the whole linux thing was a work in progress ;)
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07:44<enouf>there are packages for IDE hotswapping bays and even scsi-tools, sg3-utils for scsi devices, but sigh
07:44<morphium>hm meebey sata_nv
07:44<enouf>Scruples: linus might say so - he likes apes and darwin :-P
07:44<meebey>nv as in nvidia?
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07:45<Scruples>enouf <-- funny vid
07:45<morphium>yeah. but the 6 ports seem to be handled as 3 * 2 ports
07:45<morphium>so thats why sdb always is direct after sda (the disk) so as sdg/sdh
07:45<mib_9o5lb3>So, anyone using ath5k, here?
07:46<enouf>meebey: listen, clear out /etc/, check to ensure the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-* are correct (might as well check /etc/fstab and your menu.lst) and run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version when all set
07:46<meebey>morphium: its probably 2 controllers then... dmesg should give some enlightenment
07:46<enouf>sorry, i meant morphium
07:47<enouf>morphium: oh {DEITY} .. not some onboard fakeraid crap?
07:48<mib_9o5lb3>With ath_pci, I can make a "iwlist ath0 scan" to view all APs, it fails with ath5k. And my method (ifconfig ath0 up, iwconfig ath0 key restricted <key>, iwconfig ath0 essid <essid> and ifconfig ath0 <ip> netmask <mask> up) works fine with ath_pci but not with ath5k. Have I forgotten anything?
07:49<mib_9o5lb3>I really want to use ath5k, it doesn't depends on proprietay HAL.
07:50<enouf>amphi: oops ;-) i think i found a youtubular that brealks the scropt = seems of tjere
07:50<morphium>enouf i don't do raid with it by any fakeraid hardware. i'm using md
07:50<morphium>so i just use it as normal SATA controller
07:50<enouf>amphi: oops ;-) i think i found a youtubular that brealks the script = seems of there's a hyphen in it, it chokes - truncates actually --> 0-22EpQOm8c
07:50<morphium>but yes, its onboard
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07:51<gsimmons>mib_9o5lb3: You've forgotten that ath5k is still very much in heavy development, with limited support for only some Atheros 5xxx chipsets. You may find drivers from the wireless-2.6 GIT tree to be more useful (/msg dpkg wireless tree).
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07:51<amphi>enouf: the original, or the sed one?
07:51<enouf>morphium: md is fine, it's all a matter then where your /boot and / are ..
07:52<enouf>amphi: well, the sed one never worked for anything for me - let me show you what i'm using
07:52<mib_9o5lb3>gsimmons: of course, I know it's young, but my chipset seems to be supported (AR5212/AR5213) and I have some little freezes with ath_pci.
07:52<enouf>amphi: ok, i'm using my orig, let me try your mods
07:53<amphi>should be the same, I didn't change anything in the 'parser'
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07:53<amphi>enouf: you have a url I can test with?
07:53<morphium>on /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 as md-raid1. that is all working fine and i don't have to worry wether they are sda and sdb or sdg and sdh. it just works ;) but i would _like_ it, if it always would be sda and sdb, and my md1 sdc through sdh
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07:54<amphi>heh, a worshipper at the shrine of St. Alan
07:54<WayneSallee>How can I check my system to find out what kernel version I have?
07:54<morphium>WayneSallee: uname -a
07:54<WayneSallee>Ok thanks
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07:56<morphium>okay guys, cu later, i'm offline again, playing around a bit
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07:57<ultracup>somebody has problems after libxml upgrade? i have a lot of crashes with straces like that:
07:57<ultracup>fstat64(13, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2967, ...}) = 0
07:57<ultracup>read(13, "<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"utf"..., 2967) = 2967
07:57<ultracup>close(13) = 0
07:57<ultracup>--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
07:57<ultracup>+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
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07:58<mib_9o5lb3>gsimmons: thanks for the link, i'll try with the latest drivers
07:59<mib_9o5lb3>There will be included in the next kernel release?
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08:01<enouf>why wouldn't it always be sda1 and sdb1 ?
08:01<enouf>check your /etc/default/mdadm file
08:02<gsimmons>mib_9o5lb3: I don't know about the next release, but they'll eventually make it into mainline.
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08:04<mib_9o5lb3>On, it's written "sudo ip link set wlan%d up". I don't have an "ip" command :o
08:05<enouf>mib_9o5lb3: install iproute* pkgs
08:06<enouf>iproute: /bin/ip but maybe the latest is iproute2
08:06<mib_9o5lb3>Thanks :)
08:07<enouf>mib_9o5lb3: np - "/msg dpkg search"
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08:11<mib_9o5lb3>Thanks for the help, I try.
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08:11<WayneSallee>I'm trying to install ndiswrapper what directory should I be in when I type ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build ? There is no lib directory in the ndiswrapper folder.
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08:12<cahoot>WayneSallee: tried module-assistant?
08:12<WayneSallee>how do I do that?
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08:12<cahoot>WayneSallee: install module-assistant - see if it offers the option to install ndis
08:13<cahoot>if it does it will take care of all deps
08:13<WayneSallee>Ok, I'll download module-assistant
08:13<gsimmons>!ndiswrapper one-liner
08:13<dpkg>well, ndiswrapper one-liner is as root: "aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page.
08:13<cahoot>WayneSallee: you're positive you need ndis?
08:13<gsimmons>WayneSallee: ^^^^^
08:14<WayneSallee>I'm trying to install a wireless usb so that I can have internet access on the computer that I currently have the debian on.
08:15<WayneSallee>I tried installing a unix version of the driver, but ran into too many errors.
08:15<WayneSallee>So I figured I'd install ndiswrapper now, and after the wireless is working, I can always go back later and retry the unix driver.
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08:16<WayneSallee>@ dpkg That went way over my head. :-)
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08:17<cahoot>it's a bot
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08:18<WayneSallee>I'm very knowledgeable with pc computers, but very green with Linux.
08:19<WayneSallee>or maybe I should say microsoft computers. :-)
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08:20<WayneSallee>Even back in the old days of TRS 80's they were also programed with Microsoft.
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08:21<cahoot>WayneSallee: actually you could just copy and paste the output the bot msg'd from "aptitude install to /etc/module"
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08:22<WayneSallee>ok so that's aptitude install to /etc/modules
08:22<WayneSallee>I can type that in any directory?
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08:23<cahoot>WayneSallee: need root privs
08:23<cahoot>but directory doesn't matter
08:24<WayneSallee>ok so I can do that on the root terminal?
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08:26<WayneSallee>ok thanks
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08:53<Shadowdancer>that's so great... Kernel changelog, first real change message is on teh codepath that causes my freeze issues. There are also several neat "features" on the LKML. They *so* screwed that up.
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09:03<bert>Hi all, are there problems with apt mirror belnet? Cannot initiate the connection to (2001:6a8:a40::21). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:6a8:a40::21 80] (on two servers on different networks)
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09:03<Shadowdancer>it's trying to connect over IPv6 for some reason, I've had issues with apt trying that before
09:04<bert>do you know why? (because ... on two servers it happens on the same time) or perhaps a way to set it back to ipv4?
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09:07<Shadowdancer>sorry, no idea... I just changed to a mirror that didn't resolve to funky v6 addresses.
09:07<Shadowdancer>I guess disabling IPv6 would work
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09:10<bert>hehe lol :p yesyou are correct
09:10<bert>i searched for some info
09:11<bert>going to do that to :p
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09:17<nirgal>hi! Anyone having problem with gksu that seg faults in lenny since yesterday? Any idea about how to fix it / a workaround?
09:17<cahoot>su in terminal (as w/a)
09:17<noflash>karen44st, if you have a debian related question just ask
09:17<karen44st>are lobsters agressive?
09:18<noflash>karen44st, debian related please
09:18<karen44st>whats that
09:19<Aleric>karen44st!*@* added to ignore list.
09:19<karen44st>what channel do you need to be on to talk about fish
09:21<Shadowdancer>nirgal: did you try restarting your current session since the issue started? The system can get cranky after updates, if some running apps try to access mismatching libraries.
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09:22<nirgal>cahoot: thx. Shadowdancer: I rebooted, yes.
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09:24<iandeb>Little question: What is the command (something with initramfs?) to make splashy start just in the beginning of the boot proc and not in rc1
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09:24<tony>running etch, how do i reset gnome desktop to default appeareance?
09:25<Shadowdancer>nirgal: gksu 2.0.0-5 works for me
09:26<Shadowdancer>tony: the very easy way would be to delete ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 but that would potentially kill a lot of your preferences
09:26<Shadowdancer>and maybe other stuff, I don't know what gnome peeks in there
09:26<tony>Shadowdancer: i did rm -r all of those, and yet the same, not much changed
09:27<tony>that is, rm -r them, logged out, came back, and nothing had happened, except some of the icons had diosapeared
09:27<Shadowdancer>do you want to remove even the debian theme thing?
09:28<enouf>iandeb: maybe you mean to append 'splash' to your /boot/grub/menu.lst kernel line?
09:28<enouf>iandeb: cat /proc/cmdline
09:28<tony>Shadowdancer: I would like to get back the original thing, with Places, System, Debian menu, etc
09:28<tony>I would later add icons slowly
09:28<Shadowdancer>nirgal: did you try running gksu from the commandline to see if it gives better information?
09:29<Shadowdancer>tony: sorry, I'm not really using (or liking) gnome, so getting rid og the user prefs is about all I know about it.
09:29<tony>Shadowdancer: thanks anyway, I start realizing why so many people are leaving gnome
09:30<nirgal>Shadowdancer: It's gksu 2.0.0-5 there too. "gksu synaptic" just say "Segmentation fault" (in French ;)
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09:33<krisje8>Hello all, I got some installation problems
09:33<krisje8>I am trying to install lenny (using the beta 2 installer, amd64)
09:33<iandeb>enouf: Are you there?
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09:33<krisje8>But lthe installer won't recognise my dvd drive, annd it won't recognise my network card (onboard)
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09:34<krisje8>I got a fairly new system, and the dvd drive is SATA
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09:34<cahoot>so the installer doesn't even load?
09:35<krisje8>I tried running the install from an old IDE cd drive, but it would just hang at a blinking _
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09:35<krisje8>the installer laods on the sata
09:35<krisje8>I can choose the type of installe
09:35<krisje8>(graphic or text)
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09:35<krisje8>but in that wizard it won't recognise my dvd drive
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09:35<Aleric>krisje8: If it boots from the dvd, then it's unlikely it doesn't recognize the dvd a second later :/
09:36<krisje8>well, this isn't the first time I'm experiencing this
09:36<krisje8>2 years back with debian and mandriva I got the same problem
09:36<krisje8>but it was left unsolved then
09:36<krisje8>(other pc)
09:37<enouf>iandeb: kind of
09:37<krisje8>the isntaller laods, but the step before copying the contents from the cd, is finding the cddrive
09:37<krisje8>and that's where it fails
09:38<cahoot>no clue if you look in terminal?
09:38<Guest3320>> I just installed xorg, and xorg.conf was generated like this : How to set default resolution please ? I can change resolution with xrandr but at startup xorg use the wrong video mode…
09:38<Aleric>krisje8: Well, nobody here can help you with that: we don't even know the type of dvd player you have, or the motherboard - and it's unlikely anyone had the same issue with that hardware, is online and reading this and still remembers the solution :/
09:39<krisje8>We'll if I won't find the answere here - in THE debian channel - then where?
09:39<Aleric>krisje8: What I'd do is try to see if there is a terminal active (ALT-F2 for example) and then start investigating what's wrong...
09:39<zett>hi what is bad ? i type to console mkdir/dev/win and says no such file or directory
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09:39<krisje8>I tried with the graphic isntaller but alt F2 didn't work
09:40<zett>i want mount my windows NTFS disk
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09:40<Aleric>krisje8: Start with tell us the exact type number of your dvd player and your motherboard.
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09:41<Aleric>(then someone might go google it, which you could do yourself too, of course)
09:41<krisje8>The dvd player is ASUS DRW-2014s1t
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09:41<krisje8>motherboard is ASUS M3N78 Pro
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09:42<zett>who can solve my problem ? :)
09:42<enouf>krisje8: try something like install generic.all_generic_ide=1
09:42<enouf>krisje8: for when using an pata cd/dvd drive, or when using hte sata one in ide mode
09:42<enouf>krisje8: otherwise try the etchnhalf install
09:43<krisje8>what is etchnhalf?
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09:43<enouf>Aleric: it's not uncommon for an optical drive to boot, then not be found by the installer
09:43<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
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09:44<krisje8>ah ok, but I really want lenny :p Got it on 3 other pc and I love it
09:44<enouf>ok, then lenny installer should work
09:44<zett>can't find /dev/sda1/dev/win in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
09:44<zett>where is problem ?
09:44<enouf>but mayeb you got a bad ISO?
09:44<enouf>did you md5sum check it?
09:45<zett>and it says me this :-X
09:45<cahoot>need a space?
09:45<krisje8>zett: if you mount something which isn't in the fstab or mtab, you have to add the directory where it should mount to
09:45<enouf>how about running "check integrity" option
09:45<cahoot>or two
09:45<krisje8>example: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/win
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09:45<krisje8>make sure that the directory it mounts to exists
09:46<enouf>zett: don't make mount points inside /dev
09:46<cahoot>he tries /mnt
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09:46<enouf>use /mnt or /media even .. or / or anywhere but /sys, /proc, /dev
09:46<zett>it suxx
09:47<cahoot>I get a definitive dejavu here - zett
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09:47<krisje8>well anyway, even if I get the dvd drive working, what about the internet?
09:47<krisje8>I'm using a netinstall
09:47<krisje8>so it is quite necessary to have internet working :)
09:47<enouf>if you can't get the installer to work how do you know there's no NIC support?
09:48<enouf>and no, it isn't
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09:48<enouf>the netinstall will install a base-config
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09:49<Aleric>You can also install from harddisk. Use another computer to put the needed files on a harddisk, then put that harddisk in the new computer etc. I'm not suggesting to try that, it's likely to have not been tested too often :/
09:49<enouf>as Aleric was mentioning, alt-f2 should you need a shell to say modprobe, and messgaes on f4
09:49<enouf>just get the optical working already
09:50<zett>can't find /mnt/sda1/mnt/win in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
09:50<zett> can't find /media/sda1/media/win in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
09:50<enouf>zett: show us the command you ran
09:50<Aleric>zett: Why are there two times 'mnt' in that path?
09:50<enouf>precisely how you ran it
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09:50<enouf>zett: you mount a /dev/xxxx to a /mnt/point
09:51<zett>so i want mount my NTFS windows disk i use this before and it works but now not
09:51<enouf>zett: /dev/sda1 in your example
09:51<enouf>krisje8: gave you a working example
09:51<zett>give me full command pls
09:51<enouf>just mkdir /mnt/win
09:52<Aleric>just: no such command
09:52<enouf>as root; mkdir /mnt/win ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/win
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09:52<krisje8>enouf: If I have the base system installed, will my network work afther that?
09:53<enouf>which one is it krisje8 ?
09:53<Aleric>krisje8: get that terminal
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09:53<enouf>krisje8: is it wired or wireless or both?
09:53<zett>can't find /dev/sda1/mnt/win in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
09:53<krisje8>well, I tried it in the graphic installer but then ut wouldn't show up
09:53<krisje8>zett: don't forget that space
09:53<enouf>zett: show us the command you ran <-- last chance
09:53<krisje8>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/win
09:54<krisje8>zee that space?
09:54<krisje8>between 1 and /
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09:54<krisje8>it has to be there
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09:54<enouf>i thought you never got the installer to work?
09:54<krisje8>the isntaller loads fine
09:55<enouf>then what's the CD/DVD issue?
09:55<krisje8>like I said before, but it one of the steps is to search for the dvd drive
09:55<krisje8>and it won't find it
09:55<krisje8>and it can't continue isntalling
09:55<enouf>then it doesn't load fine
09:55<enouf>the installer BOOTS .. period
09:55<krisje8>So I get to choose lanuage, keyboard, etc, but when it wants to install it doesn't find the dvd drive
09:55<enouf>so you never get to NIC setup either
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09:55<krisje8>no, but I can choose it
09:56<krisje8>I can choose that step
09:56<enouf>if it can't get the files from the HDD, then you won't do diddley
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09:56<enouf>if it can't get the files from the optical media, then you won't do diddley
09:56<zett>thank you :-D
09:56<krisje8>zett: does it work?
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09:57<krisje8>but how is it possible that it won't work with my dvd drive? I mean, debian is old enough to be past those problems
09:57<zett>YES IT WORKS :)
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09:57<enouf>who says it's not possible?
09:58<enouf>you need support for your controller is all
09:58<krisje8>and where do I get that ?
09:59<zett>So how i can copy file form this disk ?
09:59<enouf>the lenny installer certainly shouldn't have any issues, unless maybe your mobo is really new, or you have an obscure controller chip
09:59<enkrypt>what is /etc/cron.d used for exactly? are scripts that I put there automatically installed as a cronjob for root?
09:59<krisje8>zett: cp /mnt/win/somefile /home/zett/somefile
10:00<krisje8>it was an example
10:00<krisje8>soemfile doesn't exist (normally)
10:00<krisje8>replace it with the file you want copied
10:00<enouf>show me a google with the specs for your ASUS M3N78 Pro
10:00<krisje8>enouf: ok, hold on
10:00<Joachim>Hi. I installed linux-support-2.6.26-1 from the linux-modules-extra-2.6 source package, but 'modprobe tp_smapi.ko' gives 'FATAL: Module tp_smapi.ko not found.' (although /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/extra/tp-smapi/tp_smapi.ko exists).
10:00<enouf>krisje8: and show me the full name of the ISO you burned
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10:02<enouf>krisje8: those are not specs ;-)
10:02<enouf>krisje8: i don't want marketing
10:02<cahoot>Joachim: try depmod -a
10:02<enouf>find a review site or something, or a retailer .. need to know exact chipset/controller info
10:03<krisje8>enouf: a everest report then?
10:03<enouf>krisje8: sounds good
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10:03<Joachim>cahoot: done, still the same problem (dpkg should do this anyway, right?)
10:04<cahoot>Joachim: was just an idea
10:04<enouf>Joachim: don't use the .ko when modprobing
10:04<zett>Who have Linus Torvalds mail ?
10:05<Joachim>enouf: arghh, stupid mistake. thanks
10:05<cahoot>zett: try on
10:05<enouf>cahoot: maybe he just added that though ,, you know, a freudian slip
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10:05<enouf>oh ;-)
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10:05<krisje8>enouf: got the report?
10:05<enouf>krisje8: ahh ok
10:06<enouf>krisje8: a zip file? lmao
10:06<enouf>krisje8: pastebin that shit
10:06<krisje8>:/ ok
10:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:06<krisje8>yea I know pastebin
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10:08<enouf>your pastebin choice sucks ass
10:08<krisje8>what is wrong with this one
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10:08<Shadowdancer>krisje8: I could imagine that the Gf8300 is too new for your installer's kernel
10:08<enouf>IDE Controller Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
10:08<Shadowdancer>that's a very sore point
10:08<enouf>how informative
10:09<gd>hello? who knows how to hid my cursor in xwindow?
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10:09<krisje8>I'm not using ide anyway
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10:09<enouf>krisje8: you might need a sid kernel then
10:09<lucas_amorim>In my lenny machine nautilus is not working in one of the user accounts, but in the other it is perfect... what should I do:
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10:09<enouf>there's no sata info worthwhile
10:09<enouf>go google like i said
10:10<Shadowdancer>which is probably just an nforce core with added graphics and a new PCIID
10:10<zett>where i can find nvidia drivers for 8600 GT ?
10:10<enouf>man, what a useless piece of shit everest has become
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10:11<enouf>Shadowdancer: doesn't mean there aren't other sata controllers
10:11<gsimmons>krisje8: AFAICT, support for the Realtek 8211C was added in 2.6.26.
10:11<krisje8>let me guess, that's not lenny?
10:11<Shadowdancer>enouf: the board has 1 UDMA and 6SATA ports, which is exactly the specs of the chip
10:12<zett>ummmh ?
10:12<enouf>Shadowdancer: you're sure?
10:12<Shadowdancer>zett: for the graphics part,, download drivers, and make sure to get the beta.
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10:13<enouf>Shadowdancer: you're sure ALL 6 sata ports are tied to the nvidia chipset?
10:13<Shadowdancer>enouf: asus is damn cheap (not at retail though), and gluing another chip to the board would cost money ;-)
10:13<enouf>they always do
10:13<enouf>most have multiple controllers
10:13<krisje8>I know that 2 sata ports work a bit different thatn the first 4
10:13<krisje8>Idon't know why tough
10:14<Shadowdancer>OK, lose
10:14<krisje8>but they got a different colour and my hardware didn't work on it
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10:14<Shadowdancer>I have to use some wacky Marvell controller on my board because MSI is too retarded to keep the SATA plugs clear of the PEG slots :-/
10:14<Shadowdancer>yeah, that's probably some cheap-ass RAID controller.
10:14<krisje8>enouf: bingo?
10:14<enouf>krisje8: give me a few moments - in the meantime, go into your BIOS setup, see which sata controller(s) is/are active and which drives are connected to which controllers - go get your mobo PDF
10:14<zett>who can me help with time ? i think i have problem with UTC time
10:15<krisje8>2 and 4
10:15<enouf>krisje8: and disable any RAID on all sata controllers, and enable AHCI
10:15<Shadowdancer>aaah, I think I understand it...
10:15<Shadowdancer>the first 4 ports can run as IDE devices, the last 2 can't.
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10:15<Shadowdancer>so it's probably 2 ports that only work as AHCI
10:15<krisje8>yes, there was soemthing about ide/ahci
10:15<krisje8>it's at ide
10:16<Aleric>krisje8: Those ads for that motherboard are so lame :p ... <quote>Taking only 5 seconds to bootup, Express Gate is the one-stop gateway to instant fun! It´s a unique motherboard built-in OS. You can utilize the most popular Instant Messengers (IM) like MSN, Skype, Google talk, QQ, and Yahoo! Messenger to keep in touch with friends, or quickly check on the weather and e-mails just before leaving your house. What´s more, the user-friendly picture mana
10:16<Aleric>ger lets you view your pictures without entering Windows at anytime!</quote>
10:16<Aleric>LOL - now they builtin OS on the motherboard because vista boots SO slow!
10:16<krisje8>it's linux on a motherboard
10:16<krisje8>it's cool :p
10:17<Aleric>Yeah, can you imagine: people using windows will be watching their images with linux because it takes too long to boot vista - lol, rofl.
10:17<zett>If i put this command to console sayis no such file or directory ! sh
10:17<Shadowdancer>I'm waiting for the time when you can launch games directly from the BIOS
10:18<Shadowdancer>zett: make it executable and run it directly
10:18<Shadowdancer>it needs kernel headers installed
10:18<zett>how ? i dont understand :-X
10:18<Shadowdancer>hint: chmod +x
10:18<enouf>Other quirks are the location of the CD-In connector which will be blocked by a double slot graphics card and then we have the SATA connectors. Also, the GeForce 8300 chipset supports six SATA connectors with RAID, however if you use the SATA connectors in IDE mode i.e. without RAID you are obliged to connect your drives to SATA ports 1-4.
10:18<Shadowdancer>look it up ;_)
10:19<Aleric>Shadowdancer: I'm waiting for the time when I can launch games from xen without needing an OS.
10:19<enouf>Ports 5 and 6 are located next to the memory slots where they have plenty of space but ports 1 and 3 are smack bang in line with the PCI Express graphics slot where they will be blocked
10:19<Shadowdancer>Aleric: I'd really like to cut the whole OS bullcrap out of the game experience without getting a console :-P
10:19*meebey didnt expect to see linux newbie question on a debian user channel... .oO( what happened to suse and ubuntu? :-P )
10:19<Shadowdancer>enouf: reads like they stole the layout from MSI
10:19<Aleric>Well, I'd like to play any game that exists without having to shut down my linux box first.
10:19<enouf>krisje8: you havce how many HDDs connected, and how many optical drives?
10:20<enouf>krisje8: are they all SATA? and if so, are all connected to the Red/Orange ports?
10:20<krisje8>1 hdd and 1 dvd drive
10:20<enouf>Shadowdancer: they all look the same :-P
10:20<Shadowdancer>and xen reads nice on paper, but with current kernels not having dom0 support, I don't see it happen
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10:20<krisje8>all sata, and to red oraneg prots yes
10:20<Aleric>[16:21] You are being CTCP flooded from __u, ignoring *!*@
10:20<barnes>anyone tested SSD disks in standard HP Proliant servers?
10:21<Aleric>__u: anything you wanted to ask me?
10:21<krisje8>2 and 4 iirc, because 1 and 3 are blocked by my 9800gtx
10:21<enouf>krisje8: ok ..
10:21<zett>who can me explain how i can install this ?
10:21<krisje8>wasn't there an automated bot answer fro nvidia isntalls?
10:21<enouf>krisje8: now, what mode is that controller set to in the BIOS? [IDE / RAID / Compatibility] etc
10:22<krisje8>like !tell nvidia
10:22<Aleric>zett: you should use those .run files.
10:22<Aleric>zett: you should NOT use those .run files.
10:22<zett>so how i can install ? :-(
10:22<Aleric>What do you have? etch?
10:22<enouf>krisje8: the orange/red ports should be 1-4 ... and the black ones 5 and 6 however .. be careful, that's not always true
10:22<fxiny>bot not answering ? maybe is busy resolving sudoku :P
10:23<fxiny>enouf: i'm back
10:23<zett>Aleric Lenny
10:23<enouf>!wb fxiny
10:23<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! fxiny has returned!
10:23<krisje8>I'm pretty sure it's on 1-4, because when I tried 5-6 it didn't work :p
10:23<enouf>krisje8: that depends on which mode you set
10:23<enouf>according to that review
10:23<Aleric>zett: then do what it says at the top of this page (below ATTENTION, before OLD PAGE):
10:24<enouf>as i said - go get your f'n PDF manula
10:24<krisje8>well, it's on ide when I checked half an horu ago
10:24<krisje8>and do what with it?
10:24<enouf>what other choices are available?
10:24<enouf>read it
10:24<krisje8>but I don't even know what I'm looking for
10:24<enouf>Aleric: did you get a PM spam? .. hrm, oh , wait, we're not on freenode
10:25<krisje8>as far as I know debian can't find correct drivers, but I'm probably mistaken at that point
10:25<enouf>answer my questions
10:25<krisje8>ok, so what mode is it on, which modes are available
10:25<Aleric>enouf: nah, just a single VERSION, TIME and PING and maybe another that was already ignored. Looked like it was done manually. No problem.
10:25<krisje8>and on which is it, 1-4 or 5-6
10:25<enouf>Aleric: ok
10:25<enouf>krisje8: correct
10:26<krisje8>ok, brb
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10:28<Daniwan>How do I renew a DHCP that comes from my router?
10:29<cahoot>like dhclient <eth0> - or did you mean something else?
10:29<Aleric>zett: You have to leave X first, and if you have an old nvidia driver loaded, then you have to rmmod nvidia. If you run a command and it results in an error, then your best bet is to show the command and the output on a past site and give us the url. It isn't easy to do that though without having X running... The easiest way would be to use another computer and ssh into the machine that you want to install the nvidia drivers on.
10:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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10:30<zett>OMG OMG
10:30<enouf>zett: yes, linus doesn't pick up his microsoft mail often
10:30<Aleric>zett: Are you on the computer that you need to install it on right now?
10:30<zett>but i am trying set nvidia drivers but fail
10:30<Daniwan>I think thats it cahoot
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10:31<Aleric>zett: Are you running X (the graphical environment with windows)?
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10:31<zett>how to active Sid repository ?
10:31<Aleric>zett: Do you have a terminal window open with a command prompt where you are root?
10:31<krisje8>sata 2 samsung hd642jj
10:31<Aleric>zett: you don't want to use sid
10:31<krisje8>sata 4 asus drw-2014
10:32<krisje8>sata operation mode IDE
10:32<krisje8>choice between IDE RAID AHCI
10:32<Aleric>zett: Run as root: update-pciids
10:32<Aleric>zett: does that fail with an error?
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10:33<zett>i go try tutorial from Debian forums
10:33<Aleric>zett: Run as root: update-pciids
10:33<Aleric>zett: does that fail with an error?
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10:34<enouf>krisje8: yes??
10:34<krisje8>see above the highlight
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10:39<krisje8>enouf: did you read it? it's at 16:31 and 16:32
10:40<krisje8>the answers you needed
10:40<enouf>krisje8: oh
10:40<enouf>krisje8: set it to AHCI mode
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10:40<krisje8>just for info, but what does that do?
10:41<dpkg>hmm... ahci is Advanced Host Controller Interface
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10:41<enouf>krisje8: wiki can tell you all about it
10:41<krisje8>I'll just have to trust you :p
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10:42<Aleric>krisje8: 16:31 .. you are not by coincidence living in Amsterdam too?
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10:43<Aleric>Ah, my parents do too... but it's a bit too far to come visit you :p
10:43<krisje8>get the train :p
10:43<Aleric>I grew up in Eindhoven :)
10:43<giorgos>hello everyone
10:44<giorgos>i have a problem with my debian and I need help
10:44<Aleric>train... thats like 40 euros these days?
10:44<Aleric>That was to Groningen maybe
10:45<cahoot>what can be far away in Holland?
10:45<Aleric>I think it was 20 with 40% reduction though, so it should be close to 30
10:45<krisje8>to eindhoven should be 15 or somehting
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10:45<krisje8>really, that much?
10:45<Aleric>Well, I was planning to get back too :p
10:45<Aleric>lemme look it up
10:45<krisje8>ah well, anyway, brb, going to set sata to ahci
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10:46<wathek>salut tout le monde est ce que c'est possible de faire un mirroir local et en indiquand dans le mirror.list une source apartir d'un cd ? comme ca je pourrais faire une installe de Linux sur des ordis en reseau et j'indique le mirroir local qui contient les fichiers de base dans un CD hello all I'm trying to create a mirror with apt-mirror but I'd like that it takes the packages from my installation DVD is it possible ?
10:46<wathek>oops sorry
10:46<wathek>hello all I'm trying to create a mirror with apt-mirror but I'd like that it takes the packages from my installation DVD is it possible ?
10:46<Aleric>Retour: € 28,00
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10:47<giorgos>guys I have a problem with the gnome-theme-manager...I open themes from the preferences tab and when I scroll down the window blurs...Can anyone help me...?
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10:50<enouf>krisje8: i'm still looking for your Chipset support ..
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10:51*Aleric ponders going to the city
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10:51<Aleric>Lets start with eating breakfast and getting dressed.
10:55<krisje8>Aleric: that's quite expesive
10:55<krisje8>enouf: when I set it to AHCi my winxp BSOD's at boot
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10:56<krisje8>it restarts immedeatly after it, so I can't even read the error
10:56<krisje8>(although it would probably be something like "error 0x1337b33f"
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10:56<Shadowdancer>krisje8: WinXP has *no* idea what AHCI is
10:57<tlmiller>I'd bet it says "don't do that"
10:57<enouf>krisje8: it's ok, change it back then
10:57<Shadowdancer>unless you install the drivers from the F6 floppy or slipstream them into your install CD
10:57<krisje8>well, maybe I hsould've mentioned it, but I'd like to keep my winxp. working (as far as posisble)
10:57<enouf>krisje8: i can't find any support yet for your chipset at all
10:58<tlmiller>Even if you install the dirvers with F6 most of the info I've read says you cannot change SATA modes after Windows has been installed.
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10:58<krisje8>hmm that sucks
10:58<enouf>krisje8: i looked in the ata/sata_nv.c (old) and ata/ahci.c files from .26.3 kernels as well
10:58<enouf>yes, you should email someone with all the specs ;-)
10:58<Shadowdancer>would be interesting to see lspci output
10:58<krisje8>wow, thank you for taking the effort
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10:59<cahoot>would linux care once installed ?
10:59<enouf>sure - try emailing the lkml, any lists, linux-kernel (since hthe whole Chipset needs support), or maybe linux-scsi (or libata ?)
10:59<Shadowdancer>tlmiller: Windows will just give you a NY salute when you do stuff to the boot drive
10:59<Shadowdancer>cahoot: hell yes :-)
10:59<enouf>about what?
11:00<Shadowdancer>since you're likely to screw up device enumeration in the process
11:00<enouf>Actually, i found some info about f8 and f9 and that motherboard
11:00<Shadowdancer>I spent around 2 hours after a system upgrade with some live CD until I had the drives back in order
11:01<enouf>i was only looking for Linux info though :-P
11:01<amphi>what about plan 9!!??
11:01<fxiny>mafia :P
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11:01<enouf>amphi: !
11:01<fxiny>don enouf :P
11:02<enouf>fxiny: :-p
11:02<amphi>back, but not for long, I suspect
11:02<fxiny>amphi: i'm timing you :))
11:02<enouf>oh amphi .. haha .. don't disconnect..
11:02*Shadowdancer walks the dog
11:02<enouf>dammit :-p
11:02<fxiny>amphi: break the 30 seconds barrier ;)
11:03<amphi>fxiny: you ask much
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11:04<krisje8_>wth just happened? had a lot of lag and irssi seemed to reconnect
11:04<krisje8_>aargh I got a _ !
11:04<amphi>krisje8_: /msg nickserv help ghost
11:04<amphi>I agree, the tail is very unbecoming
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11:05<fxiny>_ is the sunday forklift mode :P
11:06<krisje8>what was the last thing I said before I got that temporary _ ?
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11:06<cahoot><krisje8> wow, thank you for taking the effort
11:07<krisje8>ah yes, what I sai after that: who should I mail? (enouf said I should mail someone witht he specs)
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11:14<krisje8>besides that my install doesn't work, what should I tell them?
11:15<enouf>See krisje8 and others, another verision of that mobo appears to be also a "nForce 720a or nForce 730a chipset" using
11:16<enouf>if that were the case, support might be there/possible - that's why you obtain the PDF that i told you to .. you don't expect me to do it, do you?
11:17<krisje8>what pdf?
11:18<enouf>what a messs .. sheesh
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11:18<enouf>krisje8: the one for your motherboard
11:18<krisje8>g2g eat
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11:18<krisje8>be back in 20 mintues
11:18<amphi>that's not enough time for eating
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11:23<enouf>One rare .ro site is advertizing it as ->
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11:23<enouf>Placa de baza Asus M3N78-PRO, GeForce 8300(MCP78U)
11:23<enouf>See the MCP78 there?
11:23<enouf>i see MCP77 and 79 support - no 78, lmao
11:26<enouf>these are the closest related, i could find (Ethernet) and (SATA, Chipset)
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11:27<bartwe>is lenny broken ?
11:27<enouf>krisje8: here's a decent review with specs
11:28<bartwe>my system gave troubles with
11:28<bartwe>so i reinstalled
11:28<bartwe>but now i have the same problems again
11:28<bartwe>most gnome things are broken, console works fine it seems
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11:30<bartwe>hello ?
11:30<dmoerner>bartwe: hello.
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11:31<bartwe>do you use debian testing/lenny ?
11:31<dmoerner>bartwe: i use debian unstable but we would be happy to answer your questions.
11:31<bartwe>my system started crashing inside since yesterday
11:32<bartwe>i did a full reinstall but the problem persists
11:32<dmoerner>bartwe: could you pastebin the dump it produces after the crash/explain how you trigger the crash
11:32<bartwe>usually in gui applications like gdmgreeter and such
11:32<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
11:32<plugwash>bartwe, it may be the issue described in
11:32<bartwe>well, i'm stuck at the console because i can't get into x right now
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11:33<dmoerner>bartwe: in that case you can use #flood
11:33<dmoerner>i lied that's only on freenode
11:34<bartwe>i'll boot another machine, to be able to copy/paste
11:34<krisje8>you can get the manual there
11:34<plugwash>bartwe, what does apt-cache policy libxml2 say?
11:34<krisje8>(yes I was eating, but not all was ready yet)
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11:35<bartwe>2.6.32.dfsg-2+lenny1 0
11:35*AzaTht wonders why mktexlsr and updmap-sys isn't used via triggers yet
11:35<plugwash>try doing
11:35<plugwash>apt-get install libxml2=2.6.32.dfsg-2
11:36<AzaTht>dmoerner: what about
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11:37<newsense>bartwe: install gpm
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11:37<plugwash>If your problem is what I suspect it is that downgrade should fix it
11:37<newsense>bartwe: give ya mouse usage in console
11:37<Ascavasaion>What can I use in KDE to do a webcam conference with someone using Windows XP?
11:38<bartwe>plugwash: you're the best :) that works
11:40<enouf>heh, more zip files
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11:41<bartwe>the first time i've had trouble with lenny, i guess is shouuld be more carefull with a testing release
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11:42<plugwash>well this one was a case of a security update gone bad so something similar could equally have happened to stable (though it's probablly less likely because I think the security team test fixes for stable a lot more thouroughly)
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11:43<Ascavasaion>how does aperson do a webcam thing in Linux?
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11:43<bartwe>any hints on when the buggy fix will be remove from apt ?
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11:44<enouf>krisje8: $ wget -P. <= that is how you do it ;-)
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11:44<enouf>haha @ 65K/sec servers
11:44<enouf>Asus sucks :-P
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11:45<enouf>their website sucks and their boards have been sucking more and more for a few years now
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11:55<enouf>yep, tell the devs to look for MCP78 and "MCP Storage Config" page Chapter4 - pp 4-24
11:56<amphi>lo! chapter & verse ;)
11:56<enouf>haha :-p
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11:57<enouf>78 is the key number there .. gee, look at that! the number 78 is embedded in the Model Number -> M3N78 Pro :-)
11:57<krisje8>enouf: seems liek you have something against asus don't you :p
11:57<enouf>krisje8: i have something against a LOT of hardware ;-)
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11:58<krisje8>good, cause I like asus :p
11:58<enouf>krisje8: no really, it's like they're trying to HIDE their SouthBridge chip functions
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11:58<krisje8>I don't even know whcih functions a southbridge should have
11:58<enouf>the kernel already has support for MCP77 and MCP79
11:59<krisje8>but not for mcp78 ? :(
11:59<enouf>but it might be real easy to add it - it depends how different at all it is, if any
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12:02<gimmewifi>Is there a web site that describes how to use wifi on a laptop without GUI, by this I mean scanning, connection, reconnection, dhcp and similar tasks?
12:02<krisje8>so in the mail, I tell them that the install won't work and that is probably because of an unsupported mcp78 sata controller
12:02<krisje8>gimmewifi: wireless-tools does that, but I don't know a site for it
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12:03<enouf>sure, something like that - tell them the link i gave above to grab the Mobo Manual (9.8MB - English)
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12:04<enouf>tell them how you see support for 77 and 79 here and in that other file i posted
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12:04<enouf>and pass them the url
12:04<enouf>krisje8: got all that?
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12:05<enouf>erm Length: 10,040,405 (9.6M) [application/x-zip-compressed]
12:05<krisje8>not yet, still looking which link is what
12:05<gimmewifi>krisje8: those are command line tools that need to be run every time, if I'm not mistaken. I'm hoping to edit some /etc/ files and forget about this $#$@ for a while
12:05<enouf>krisje8: i'll pm you
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12:06<krisje8>gimmewifi: ah, well, yes there was some configfile you could edit, but I odn't know which one. At least you now know it's possible
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12:09<Golfgeo>Hi all
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12:09<Golfgeo>Does anyone know of a .deb archive where linux-images (kernels) are maitained for the pentium classic cpu?
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12:10<Golfgeo>enouf: Well, kept...
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12:10<enouf>that's a p5, right?
12:10<enouf>so the etch 2.6.18 has a 486 version
12:11<Golfgeo>enouf: brbr
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12:11<enouf>the classic was 586 or 686 - the p-pro are 686, and if not, it's certainly 486
12:11<gimmewifi>Is there an online archive of #debian or something? I got disconnected for 5 min right after asking the question. This seems to happen a little too often :-(
12:12<Golfgeo>enouf: Optomized is what I'm after
12:12<enouf>optimized how?
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12:12<enouf>there's nothing to optimize
12:12<enouf>go back to gentoo :-p
12:12<Golfgeo>enouf: Not here for that discussion. Just wondering if someone is maintaining a linux-image .deb for the classic pentium....
12:13<enouf>i told you
12:13<enouf>i don't think so
12:13<enouf>!wikipedia pentium classic
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12:14<enouf>why can't these weenies go use google themselves?
12:14<Aleric>Too lazy
12:14*fxiny thinks jd is soooo classic
12:14<enouf>fxiny: f'n A
12:15<enouf>fxiny: seen the Walter one?
12:15<enouf>lmao .. oh, over to OT
12:15<fxiny>enouf: yes over to ot
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12:16<newsense>anyone know the url to a site that takes the output of lspci -n and lists the modules the hardware uses, had it bookmarked but i guess i deleted it
12:16<newsense>someone here gave it to me a while ago
12:18<newsense>MotoHoss: thanks ive been googling it for ten minutes and couldnt find it :-)
12:18<MotoHoss>newsense: ur welcome n.e.time
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12:20*Aleric thinks back to the horrors of the ISA era.
12:20<gimmewifi>Can I use /etc/network/interfaces when I have multiple WiFi setups (1 at home and 1 at work) ?
12:20<Aleric>Where the only way to "auto probe" hardware was to try and set some registers and read them back, and then guessing what the hardware was :)
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12:24<gimmewifi>Ubuntu ?!
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12:31<massmc>what package manager opens the .deb?
12:31<massmc>is it aptitude I have to install from apt?
12:31<Aleric>massmc: dpkg
12:32<massmc>thanks Aleric
12:32<Aleric>'opens' is not the right word though ...
12:32<fxiny>ar opens it :P
12:33<fxiny>a deb is a ar archive
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12:35<massmc>yea maybe i explained it wrong.. i need to install a .deb.. altho dpkg does not do this
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12:35<massmc>fxiny, how do I grab that from apt?
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12:36<krisje8>dpkg -i foo.deb
12:36*dpkg installs foo.deb into krisje8's head with a bone saw and a few screws
12:36<fxiny>massmc: Aleric told you , explain why dpkg can't install it
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12:37<massmc>well i went to apt get dpkg and its already installed.. but i am running lxde not gnome
12:37<fxiny>of course is istalled , dpkg is the ruler
12:37<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
12:37<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
12:38<fxiny>massmc: why don't you use aptitude ? is it an official deb ?
12:39<massmc>yea its just skype with a .deb extension.. but its a fresh install of lxde so I have no clue
12:39<massmc>with gnome i just double click it and its done
12:40<plugwash>dpkg -i <filename>
12:40<dpkg>package <filename> is already installed
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12:41<plugwash>the tool that lets you double click on debs to install them is called gdebi btw but I dunno if it will work with other desktop environments
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12:43<fxiny>massmc: no idea about skype , so ask if there are problems installing it , someone will tell you . you must be root to install . open a term , type su , your password , then tye : dpkg -i <packagename>
12:44<massmc>yea I have done that fxiny , im just receiving allot of errors about missing libs
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12:44<fxiny>massmc: this is a dependencies issue . what debian flavour are you running ? etch ?
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12:45<massmc>its a eeepc so I think its lenny
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12:51<emmy>Guys I find that on Freenode there is a Debian channel just as big as this one. And a little more active.
12:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 358] by debhelper
12:52<amphi>it's well over twice as big
12:52<emmy>I was wondering if maybe as a community we could just all go to Freenode so that we don't split everything up and dillute ourselves.
12:52<amphi>but... we only just left freenode ;)
12:52<fxiny>!why oftc
12:53<amphi>many people are in both channels
12:53<tlmiller>alter egos
12:53<emmy>I like Freenode a lot. It seems like the place to be.
12:53<amphi>freenode is so last century
12:53<emmy>Because whenever I think of any open source app, I check to see if it is on Freenode. I imagine other's do the same.
12:54<tlmiller>don't let your imagination run away with you. :)
12:54<stevecotton>maybe freenode's dpkg could have a command to check and revive oftc's dpkg; and vica-versa
12:54<stevecotton>assuming that it's the bot dying, and not it's server / it's server's connection
12:54<fxiny>oftc dpkg is on charge of the word destiny : sudoku
12:54<fxiny>see /.
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12:55<emmy>I don't mean to cause trouble. I just like things to be neat and make sense. It appeals to my aesthetic sense of order and efficiency.
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12:56<fxiny>i feel more comfortable here
12:56<emmy>Having a huge channel on Freenode and another channel on OFTC makes no sense. And Freenode is where everything else is. It's like Debian is trying to break itself up and hide.
12:56<Nemoder>always good to have a backup in case one goes down
12:56<fxiny>gnaa ? :P
12:56<newsense>im in both
12:57<amphi>as are many
12:57<emmy>I'm sure many people are in both. It's confusing and crufty but do what you guys like :)
12:58<Nemoder>I mostly stay here precisely because it is less active, easier to follow :)
12:58<newsense>here i can use ssl to connect and i dont think freenode has that option yet
12:58<fxiny>here's the dpkg-sudoku thing :
12:58<massmc>I like both.. I can ask newb questins here and answer them on freenode so I look like a cool guy
12:58<newsense>if i remember correctly i had to throw a fit to get a hostmask on oftc
12:58<Aleric>What do you need ssl for?
12:58<newsense>security haha
12:58<Aleric>By the way, I'm just lurking here year after year in the hope that I'll get ops. But it never happens.
12:59<Aleric>God I'm so funny.
12:59<amphi>massmc: heh
12:59<emmy>You can't get a cloak on OFTC without some tremendous reason.
12:59<fxiny>massmc: hahaah
12:59<tlmiller>Personally I came here because this is where pointed
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13:00<emmy>I don't understand why debian is doing that.
13:00<emmy>Debian is causing a schism in it's own support community. That's not wise action.
13:00<amphi>it moves in a mysterious way, its wonders to perform
13:01<fxiny>debian never causes trouble . debian sticks to values
13:01<Aleric>Look at freenode now...
13:01<Aleric>I think it's way better here, lol.
13:01<amphi>herr arsch ?
13:01<newsense>yeah thats not gonna work
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13:02<emmy>848 people on #debian on Freenode.
13:02<fxiny>this is a nice place . ops are polite . users have lot of freedom . what you want more ?
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13:02<tlmiller>Think they would permit another 343 people on that channel without setting a limit?
13:02<Aleric>emmy: you missed the channel flooder/spammer with porn urls that wasn't kicked because there aren't any ops :p
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13:03<Aleric>I guess K-line is better :)
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13:10<pinguirc>lots of people here
13:10<pinguirc>dont suppose anyone here has experience with forwarding x11 over ssh, do they?
13:10<pinguirc>would be v grateful for some help
13:10<amphi>pinguirc: better to just ask your question
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13:11<pinguirc>well im connecting to a new server via ssh
13:11<tlmiller>I've done X11 forwarding to Windows boxes
13:11<pinguirc>and i want to view the x
13:11<pinguirc>yes, thats what im trying to do
13:11<pinguirc>im using cygwin
13:11<tlmiller>I used XMing
13:11<pinguirc>i can get as far as running startx
13:12<pinguirc>but it starts x on the server
13:12<tlmiller>Or... what am I talking about. I'm using xming right this second to run xChat on an XP machine
13:12<pinguirc>i need it to start at the client end
13:12<amphi>tlmiller: heh
13:12<pinguirc>that make sense?
13:12<tlmiller>I just run the individual apps. For example, running kicker or xfce4-panel is a lot lighter load
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13:13<pinguirc>i need access to the xserver, though
13:13<pinguirc>or, to a gui
13:13<n8r0x>pinguric: have you used vncserver?
13:13<pinguirc>console access seems fine
13:13<tlmiller>This gives me the launcher and I can launch any locally installed app that way
13:13<pinguirc>yes i have used vnc before
13:14<pinguirc>id prefer to use ssh/x on this one
13:14<tlmiller>x11vnc can get you console access
13:14<pinguirc>im sure im close to finishing, but ive hit a wall
13:14<tlmiller>err.... X at the console as if you were sitting in front of the machine I should say
13:15<pinguirc>thats what i want to do
13:15<tlmiller>The way you're describing with cygwin that won't give you a real console experience.
13:15<pinguirc>but 'startx' run from the remote console (cygwin in windows xp), runs startx on the server
13:15<pinguirc>i think its supposed to be able to
13:15<pinguirc>has an xserver
13:16<tlmiller>When doing remote X you really have to rethink (or at least I did) the whole "console" concept.
13:16<pinguirc>not with you
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13:17<pinguirc>i have console access, but i need to run the fluxbox desktop
13:17<tlmiller>When I tried cygwin thinking it would give me access as if I was sitting at the machine I discovered that I was actually running a separate X session and the real console could still be hopped on and worked with.
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13:17<tlmiller>When I say console I don't mean an Xterm
13:18<pinguirc>you mean a console
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13:18<pinguirc>ie prior to running the xserver
13:18<pinguirc>that may be my problem
13:18<pinguirc>i probably do need to run a seperate x server
13:18<pinguirc>but im not sure how to do that with ssh
13:18<tlmiller>If I follow what you're saying you're still describing a 'terminal'
13:19<tlmiller>When you ssh in you invoke a terminal - not a 'console'
13:19<pinguirc>i do?
13:19<pinguirc>i mean, command prompt, you know, console, tty style
13:20<tlmiller>that's a remote tty
13:20<tlmiller>that's not a true console
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13:21<pinguirc>is there another way to do it?
13:21<pinguirc>i have putty installed
13:21<pinguirc>id prefer to use cygwin really
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13:22<tlmiller>to see the difference - connect to your machine with the real keyboard/mouse/monitor, log on and type "w" or "who" then do the same from your ssh session. You'll see a subtle difference.
13:22<tlmiller>In the TTY column
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13:22<pinguirc>i will
13:22<pinguirc>one sec
13:23<tlmiller>So... once you grasp that concept it might make a little more sense. And hopefully I'm not confusing you more.
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13:23<tlmiller>The only tool I know of that gives you a "true" console remote control is x11vnc
13:23<pinguirc>pts/0, rather than tty1
13:24<pinguirc>im pretty sure youre supposed to be able to do something similar with forwarding xll
13:24<tlmiller>You can run remote X sessions all day long with forwarding.
13:24<pinguirc>displaying the x on the remote screen?
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13:24<tlmiller>But are they going to let you manipulate tty1? I'm not sure.
13:25<pinguirc>i seem to have full access from the remote computer here
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13:25<tlmiller>pinguirc, do you work with windows server 2003 at all?
13:26<pinguirc>but im slightly familiar with it
13:26<tlmiller>ok, I was going to try and put it into perspective that way but nevermind.
13:26<pinguirc>sure, try anyway
13:26<tlmiller>So far you can only remote xterm?
13:26<pinguirc>be cool if we were on thge same page
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13:26<pinguirc>ok - i have access to the server through cygwin
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13:27<tlmiller>Well I'm not going to describe a platform that you're not familiar with that'd probably just take us farther from understanding the philosophy
13:27<pinguirc>with or without the x server running on the server
13:27<pinkape>nick newone
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13:27<tlmiller>ok - cygwin IS the xserver
13:27<pinguirc>yes! it will be, hopefully
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13:27<pinguirc>at the moment its just an emulated linux console giving me ssh access to the server
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13:28<tlmiller>Have you verfified you can run other apps besides jumping right to "startx" ?
13:28<pinguirc>i need to smoke
13:28<pinguirc>ill check
13:28<pinguirc>yes - i have full access
13:28<pinguirc>su and everything
13:28<tlmiller>su is a command line tool
13:29<tlmiller>try an X app like xcalc
13:29<pinguirc>the xserver isnt running
13:29<newone>hello im new to the whole irc buisness, and ive heard that irc isnt werry secure, what should i do as a ordinary user to protect myslelf?
13:29<tlmiller>cygwin is the x server
13:29<pinguirc>no - it isnt
13:29<tlmiller>Yes, it is. Really. You're just going to have to trust me on this.
13:29<dmoerner>newone: it's fine.
13:30<pinguirc>cygwin comes with an xserver
13:30<pinguirc>but at this stage its not running
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13:30<pinguirc>im so confused
13:31<tlmiller>doing "startx" on the linux machine from across the network doesn't start the X server on the linux machine and display it on your windows host. The X server runs on cygwin and linux pushes the X app to it.
13:31<tlmiller>The linux X apps effectively become "client" software.
13:31<pinguirc>thats what i want to do
13:32<tlmiller>So start your cygwin x server up
13:32<pinguirc>(ty, btw)
13:32<pinguirc>im starting with ssh -X -l myusername 192.168.etc.etc
13:32<tlmiller>But before you ssh "in" you need to start cygwin's Xserver component.
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13:34<tlmiller>And you need to ensure /etc/ssh/ssd_config on the Linux host has X11Forwarding yes
13:34<pinguirc>i can do that
13:34<pinguirc>yes - checked that
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13:34<pinguirc>when i run X from cygwin, the cygwin x server runs
13:34<pinguirc>but it seems to stay attached to the console
13:35<pinguirc>'console'? : )
13:35<tlmiller>Yep, and it should just sit there looking dumb, and waiting for a connection
13:35<tlmiller>Because in reality, you "push" programs back to it.
13:35<pinguirc>makes sense
13:36<tlmiller>I personally found XMing was a whole ton easier to get going on and help understand this whole concept
13:36<pinguirc>i cant seem to connect at all now
13:36<pinguirc>thats not helpful
13:37<pinguirc>wont let me in
13:37<pinguirc>doesnt matter
13:37<pinguirc>could you continue anyway?
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13:38<tlmiller>did you confirm /etc/ssh/ssd_config has X11Forwarding yes ?
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13:38<tlmiller>that's really all you need for it to work
13:39<pinguirc>this is the bit i dont understand
13:39<hemanth>how to run java servlets on eclipse
13:39<pinguirc>i start cygwin and run X
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13:39<pinguirc>that opens a server
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13:39<pinguirc>do i then start another instance of cygin and login with ssh -X -l username ipset?
13:40<pinguirc>*'username' 'paddress'
13:40<pinguirc>you know what i mean
13:40<tlmiller>Does your cygwin give you options during launch? E.g. which program to choose?
13:40<tlmiller>And you pick "startx"
13:40<pinguirc>just launches the x server if i run X
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13:42<pinguirc>the connections timing out now, for some reason
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13:45<tlmiller>connecting w/putty?
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13:45<pinguirc>coul you remind me what the command to force a new dhcp request is in debian?
13:45<pinguirc>nestat, something?
13:46<pinguirc>command not found!
13:46<pinguirc>i had network access 10 mins ago
13:46<pinguirc>no, wired
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13:47<pinguirc>ive been putting this server together to test some website stuff from home
13:47<pinguirc>been trying to keep the install size down
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13:48<tlmiller>x runs like poo over the internet
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13:48<pinguirc>installing dhcp client
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13:49<pinguirc>oh, cant install it because i have no network access
13:49<pinguirc>think i need a break
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13:49<pinguirc>thanks for trying to help with this, bud
13:50<pinguirc>it can be hard to find helpful people on irc
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13:59<ubuntunovato>hi this is a spanish group?
13:59<ubuntunovato>or not
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14:21<api222>Is there a minimalistic window manager like dwm, but non-tiling - I like to see one window at a time, generally
14:21<dpkg>hmm... xwinman is probably - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL!
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14:23<api222>abrotman: Wikipedia seems to suggest Ratpoison is abandoned for some Lisp alternative (because apparently it sucked according to the developers themselves). I feel like I should stay away
14:24<abrotman>ion? tritium? awesome?
14:24<abrotman>look at the link above and find one
14:25<api222>abrotman: xwinman doesn't even mention dwm - not a good sign. If I wanted a tiling WM, I think DWM would be just what I wanted.
14:26<fxiny>does it mention xmonad ?
14:26<les_>it does:
14:26<fxiny>tiling ...
14:26<abrotman>api222: dwm is right there
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14:28<api222>fxiny: no (and not in "others" either), but I don't think I'd like it for 3 reasons (tiling, dependent on Haskell runtime that I otherwise don't need, need to know Haskell to hack/configure it)
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14:28<fxiny>api222: true . but imho is fantastic . what about wmii ? still tiling but more user friendly then dwm
14:28<api222>abrotman: too much "choice" - almost as bad as none; if they had amazon-style reviews and categorization, it would be useful
14:29<dmoerner>api222: what's wrong with stumpwm. even wikipedia recommends it!
14:29<dmoerner>i use awesome myself
14:29<dragon>looking for help for IPcop. any suggestions on a good chat location for help with this little firewall
14:31<api222>dmoerner: probably more like Wikipedia-spamming Lisp fanboys recommend it - runtime dependence, language dependence, and having to endure Lisp fanboys are all turn-offs for me
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14:32<dmoerner>api222: then write your own in your favorite language since you don't seem to like haskell or lisp :)
14:33<api222>fxiny: I have a 12" laptop screen - not enough space for tiling; and I generally don't like to see many windows - it's distracting
14:33<dmoerner>tritium is in python and is written by stew, a debian dev, i believe
14:33<dmoerner>i run awesome on 12"
14:33<rr0d>dragon: #ipcop on freenode
14:34<fxiny>api222: when i run wmii i just keep one window at the time , on etch wmii works pretty well
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14:34<fxiny>i even had the chance to test xmonad on etch , from
14:35<api222>dmoerner: I happen to think Lisp and Haskell have neat linguistic ideas, but I hate the fanboys, especially Lisp's, and unnecessary dependence. Haskellers wrote their WM because there is no real app written in Haskell (darcs sucks, even GHC gave it up), and Lispers were like monkey-see-monkey-do.
14:35<newone>do anyone now some fun channel for trash talk about everyting and nothing?
14:35<amphi>#politics on freenode? ;)
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14:35<fxiny>yeahhh : politics sucks :P
14:36<api222>Why is this channel lagging so bad?
14:37<dragon>i donot know
14:37<fxiny>api222: i don't mind reading a bit about haskell : xmonad will be my primary wm on lenny
14:37<fxiny>i have enouf of wm not managing windws at all
14:38<tlmiller>is the right place for bug submission? It seems to be missing stuff
14:38<api222>fxiny: if you have 1 window open at a time, what's the point of "tiling" ?
14:38<dmoerner>tlmiller: use reportbug
14:38<dpkg>methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting
14:38<tlmiller>dmoerner, I'm trying to report a bug against the installer
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14:39<fxiny>api222: tiling wm are fast and not bloated : i can run one or more . is just up to me
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14:39<dmoerner>tlmiller: yes. use reportbug on another debian machine. it's 10x easier than manually writing an email to
14:39<abrotman>!installer report
14:39<abrotman>hrm ...
14:40<fxiny>and tiling window manager concept is more advanced then stinky eycandy
14:40<abrotman>!installation report
14:40<dpkg>installation report is probably
14:40<fxiny>i'vew checked awesome too . not bad at all
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14:43<api222>as I understand it all: wmii -> dwm -> xmonad; dwm removed customizability from wmii (customize via source only); xmonad is a rewrite of dwm in Haskell. Where does awesome fit in all this?
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14:44<fxiny>awesome shows many layouts
14:44<tlmiller>The installer bug I'm experiencing is that if there are physical raid volumes created when the installer starts, the installer hangs at 52% when loading the partition manager. If I dump all partitions before booting it'll let me start to create my physical volumes but after about the 4th created partition the installer will loop back to loading the partition manager and hang at 52%. Fun! :)
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14:46<fxiny>api222: i hate^32 that stupid thing called "virtual desktop" . dunno why dwm (and friends) insists on using it
14:46<fxiny>wmii ignores it
14:46<tmg1|emacs>why is mono in debian if there are microsoft patents coverring it's fundamental features? ( )
14:47<abrotman>there are patents on lots of software
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14:47<tmg1|emacs>right but isn't the whole point of debian to avoid legal trouble like that? at least to the best we can?
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14:48<fxiny>the emperor has no clothes . there are no f* virtual desktops but windows properties called tags
14:48<tmg1|emacs>and this isn't a "well, there might be patents on the software, but we'll just pretend it isn't happening"
14:48<tmg1|emacs>it's a "we know what patents they are, that they are being actively licensed and used to split the free software community, and yet we rely on them"
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14:51<fxiny>i group my windows , i cycle 'em and i want the wm managing some decent layouts . say emacs and iceweasel side by side in a glorious A4 size on a wide screen i'll get when i got the money :)
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14:51<fxiny>don't want more . just that
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14:52<fxiny>and why not ? some xinerama . xmonad does xinerama
14:52<fxiny>this is what i call : "looking forward" . kde and gnome are relics of the past
14:53<fxiny>they will follow . ohhh yes ...
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14:57<api222>Here's my problem with tiling (dwm specifically): when I open a new window/application - I just want it to open full screen. I don't want all windows to resize and rearrange.
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14:57<fxiny>on wmii the don't
14:58<dmoerner>api222: you realize awesome has that built in right?
14:58<dmoerner>you just use the layout that looks like an X and it will do that. most modern tiling wm have that mode
14:58<dmoerner>and you can switch to tiling if you want to just manage xterms, for instance
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15:00<api222>dmoerner: so many choices, so little time - there are 100s of WMs apparently; for any given one, chances are I've never used it
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15:01<tmg1|emacs>so many choices so little processing power, more like it ;)
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15:03<api222>why did they call it "awesome" - seems presumptuous; image everyone calling their pet projecs awesome, cool, fast, small, accurate, neat
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15:11<pinkape>can somone help me to get started vid irc.. im using irssi
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15:13<tmg1|emacs>api222; i called my project 'ass' :/
15:13<tmg1|emacs>(a small shell)
15:14<fxiny>how many users you have ?
15:14<fxiny>so it's you !
15:14<fxiny>someone told me aboutsuch a project
15:14<fxiny>is it a wm ?
15:14<tmg1|emacs>it's a shell
15:15<tmg1|emacs>is someone writing a wm called ass?!
15:15<fxiny>a real shell !
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15:15<fxiny>everything possible
15:15<tmg1|emacs>true enough
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15:21<linux>hola a todos
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15:34<jaek>i just installed lenny, anyone know what the deal is with the bluetooth services list being empty in the bluetooth applet?
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15:39<mercedes>good evening
15:39<tlmiller>good day
15:40<mercedes>oh sorry, its evening in sa
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15:51<massmc_>what is the prog I install that starts xwindows with the graphical login
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15:52<dondelelcaro>massmc_: a display manager
15:52<massmc_>xdm or something
15:52<dondelelcaro>massmc_: xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm et al. are all display managers
15:52<massmc_>dondelelcaro, thankyou
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15:59<jaek>anyone know why the bluetooth services list is empty in the blueooth applet on my new lenny install?
16:00<jcesar>hello someone can explain how I have read and write access to a partition ext3 mounted by fstab
16:00<jcesar>is my line in the fstab file /dev/sda9 /media/data ext3 defaults 0 2
16:01<jcesar>with the root user leaves me with my writing but not user? I can do
16:03<tlmiller>jcesar, is that a usb device?
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16:03<jcesar>tlmiller, SATA
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16:04<jcesar>is the internal disk in my laptop
16:04<stevecotton>jcesar: "ls -l -d /media/data" will show you the access permissions.
16:05<stevecotton>typically the top directory of any filesystem is only writable by root, until you change the permissions
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16:05<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
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16:06<jcesar>stevecotton, jcesar@debian:~$ ls -l -d /media/data
16:06<jcesar>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-08-24 07:19 /media/data
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16:07<tlmiller>you could chmod -R 777 /media/data and that would give you (and every other local user) write ability
16:07<stevecotton>jcesar: ok. The links that dpkg gave you will explain what's going on
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16:09<jcesar>stevecotton, ok see
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16:26<massmc>I seem to have an issue with laptop.. I have etch installed and seems to be taking about 5 minutes to boot now.. sometimes it hangs just before gdm
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16:37<Shadowdancer>massmc: could be the PCCard thing
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16:38<Shadowdancer>don't know the package name offhand, but it does a resource scan on boot that can take forever
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16:40<massmc>Shadowdancer, seems to have been right after I installed the wifi app now that i come to think of it
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16:41<Shadowdancer>massmc: what kernel is that on?
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16:42<massmc>how can i see that Shadowdancer
16:42<Shadowdancer>uname -a
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16:48<Shadowdancer>does your laptop have that ipw3459 (or something like that) WLAN chipset?
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16:51<Shadowdancer>there was an issue where some part of the driver would hang miserably if the network device was disabled by a killswitch. Either upgrading to a newer kernel (2.6.21 should be OK) or getting a newer version of the ipw daemon helped.
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16:53<jaek>anyone know why the services list is empty in the bluetooth applet? i need to configure my mouse
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16:56<enouf>jaek: i don't know but
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16:56<enouf>on is ==> #bluez 31 :BlueZ Development. Go to #bluez-users for non-development related topics.
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16:58<enouf>jaek: might do apt-get update and then apt-cache show bluez , and install some missing pkgs?
16:58<enouf>i mean apt-cache search bluez
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16:58<jaek>i just installed the system yesterday
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16:59<jaek>enouf, do you see anything in your services list?
16:59<enouf>jaek: might want to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to get latest pkg versions for your release
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16:59<enouf>jaek: i never used bluetooth
17:00<jaek>i'm wondering if debian users are not supposed to really use that applet, and just edit your /etc/defaults/bluetooth file by hand
17:00<jaek>yeah i'm up to date
17:00<enouf>i don't know which applet you mean
17:01<enouf>and i don't know what you mean by "debian users"
17:01<jaek>gnome-bluetooth applet
17:01<jaek>on the wiki, it doesnt mention using the applet, just editing your /etc/defaults/bluetooth file
17:01<enouf>what wiki?
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17:02<jaek>the debian wiki...
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17:02<enouf> ?
17:02<enouf>ok, so following that?
17:02<jaek>well, i enabled HIDD, but the HIDD service does not show up in the applet services list
17:03<enouf>might want to also ask in for gnomw things?
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17:03<jaek>i had FC8 installed before this and it listed the HIDD serivice in the list
17:03<enouf>that might be gnome specific things
17:03<jaek>that is how i configured my mouse on that OS
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17:42<LiamH>Since I upgraded to lenny (testing), my default font (in menus, pidgin, gnucash, gnumeric etc.) is giant and bold. This is a problem in seeing the full text. How can I change this back to a smaller, normal weight font. My wm is fluxbox.
17:44<william>I am trying to send print jobs to a brother printer that is hanging on an xp box no success I have loaded the brother drivers on the debian box and added the printer through cups
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17:46<william>what i really want to do is run some software against the memory stick in the printer so how do I see the memory stick?
17:47<dmoerner>LiamH: change the default font in ~/.gtkrc-2.0
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17:48<LiamH>dmoerner: Thanks! I don't have that file, I will need to figure out the format.
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17:49<dmoerner>LiamH: make a line like gtk-font-name = "Bistream Vera Sans 11" or whatever you want
17:49<LiamH>dmoerner: Thanks.
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17:51<william>dmoerner: do you have a solution to my dilemma
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17:52<dmoerner>william: no. if you have to authenticate for the samba printer though then the cups gui is trash and i would recommend using something more heavy like system-config-printer
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17:53<william>dmoerner: thank you i was just doing that because that is the instructions i got from brother. they said to load the lpr and then the cups and add printer via cups
17:53<llinear>hey anyone familiar with PCRE?
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17:57<abrotman>llinear: ask your real question
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17:58<llinear>having troubles running pcredemo from the pcre library
17:59<llinear>i keep getting "no match"
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18:02<tcsetattr>what package is "pcredemo" in?
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18:03<llinear>i dl the sources
18:04<qq_>from ?
18:04<llinear>it at the top level pcredemo.c
18:04<tcsetattr>oh, I see it. apt-get source libpcre3
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18:05<abrotman>llinear: so how is this a #debian problem?
18:06<llinear>well i'm trying to compile this program of the latest source using the libpcre3 package
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18:06<tcsetattr>are you having trouble understanding regexp syntax, or is it more of just a broken demo program
18:06<EmleyMoor>I upgraded to lenny over the course of the last couple of days, but can't get my horde framework working again. I've reworked configs, but am now offered only the Administration and Options - none of the normal mail and calendar stuff. Any idea how I might fix this? Asked on #horde as well, just wondering if this is a documented issue in Debian
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18:07<abrotman>EmleyMoor: are those modules enabled?
18:08<EmleyMoor>Yes, as far as I can tell
18:08<abrotman>in the registry?
18:09<EmleyMoor>How do I tell for sure?
18:09<abrotman>you look in the horde/config/registry.php or wahtever it is
18:09<EmleyMoor>I am now guessing they are not
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18:10<EmleyMoor>Ah - status needs to be active, I guess
18:12<tcsetattr>well I just did apt-get source pcre3 && cd pcre3* && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && ./pcredemo '\d+' 'abc123xyz' and it seems to be working.
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18:24<llinear>tcsetattr: thanks a lot, I ll check my settings
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18:28<EmleyMoor>What's the correct way to activate horde applications if they are marked inactive in the registry?
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18:31<clint1986>evening all :)
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18:32<EmleyMoor>Hellohellohello, clint1986 :-)
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18:34<tlmiller>Hey ryan52 welcome back and thanks for poking at my raid prob last night
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18:36<Ryan52>tlmiller: did you get it figured out?
18:37<tlmiller>I filed a bug report. I got a reply back saying the fix has been committed and is awaiting upload.
18:37<Ryan52>tlmiller: bug number?
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18:38<Ryan52>I don't see any commits from today that would fix it...
18:38<tlmiller>496093 was the other bug. Mine was 496446
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18:38<tlmiller>oh yeah I should mention that my report was a dupe
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18:39<Ryan52>oh, a few days ago.
18:39<tlmiller>I'm not sure how long it takes for this magical upload to happen so I wait.
18:40<Ryan52>tlmiller: once somebody gets around to it.
18:40<Ryan52>well, if somebody uploaded for every single bug fix it would be insane.
18:40<tlmiller>haha , guess I won't hang out by my Internet connection waiting
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18:41<tlmiller>I assumed it was an automated process once a commit happened.
18:41<Ryan52>no. everybody would be updating a lot more packages everyday.
18:42<tlmiller>So how does that work then once a dev commits it to svn? is there a QC dev person that looks it over before sending it up somewhere?
18:42<EmleyMoor>I activated turba and got this:
18:42<EmleyMoor>Warning: Horde_Share_sql [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/horde3/lib/Horde/Share/sql/php on line 666
18:42<dmoerner>tlmiller: well a lot of debian packages are maintained by non-devs, so you have to wait for a dev to come along
18:42<EmleyMoor>Warning: Horde_Share_sql [function.require]: Failed opening required 'MDB2.php' (include_path=/usr/share/horde3/lib:.;/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /usr/share/horde3/lib/Horde/Share/sql.php on line 666
18:42<Ryan52>tlmiller: no, it's just that it would be insane to upload for every little change
18:42<dmoerner>tlmiller: often bug fixes are tacked onto major releases if the major release doesn't close the bug
18:42<EmleyMoor>Erk... not quite that twice
18:42<phillipsjk>I think my system is messed up becuase I can't got through the asla checklist (no alsaconf, even though alsa-base is installed) and xchat complains about:
18:42<EmleyMoor>Warning: Horde_Share_sql [horde-share-sql.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/horde3/lib/Horde/Share/sql/php on line 666
18:43<phillipsjk>process 2776: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
18:43<dmoerner>phillipsjk: alsaconf is in alsa-utils
18:43<dmoerner>phillipsjk: install dbus dbus-x11 and restart both to solve that problem
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18:44<EmleyMoor>It happens if I activate turba or kronolith
18:44<tlmiller>alright, I can understand that. Is there a rule of thumb when waiting for a commit to hit the street? E.g. will they close the bug which will trigger an email back to me so I know I can go pull down a new daily build?
18:45<Ryan52>tlmiller: send an email to and then the day after you get the email saying it's been fixed try again.
18:45<Ryan52>tlmiller: the day after they upload the package it will be in the daily build, assuming that the amd64 buildd isn't extremely busy/slow that day...
18:45*Ryan52 doesn't pay much attention to the buildd speeds.
18:46<phillipsjk>dmoerner: thanks sound is working now
18:46<EmleyMoor>... or mnemo... or even worse with nag so that it stops me logging in
18:46<Ryan52>tlmiller: maybe wait 2 days, just to be sure.
18:46*phillipsjk takes notes
18:46<tlmiller>10-4, email sent.
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18:49<Ryan52>tlmiller: and I would be happy to see an installation report saying successful install on raid10. because AFAIK I'm the only one who has used the raid10 on a real production system...
18:50<tlmiller>Ryan52, well I'd be happy to install it on my machine and be using it. I dunno if I am going to hang out for another week or longer with the hardware just idling. Maybe I'll play with Live CD's on this box in the meantime.
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18:53*Ryan52 agrees, he would want to be able to use a cool toy like that too :)
18:54<AzaTht>Is there a way to make apt a bit more stupid when it's checking the timestampts on /var/lib/apt/lists/* ?
18:54*phillipsjk installed dbus with warnings
18:54<dmoerner>AzaTht: what is your issue?
18:54<dmoerner>phillipsjk: what warnings?
18:55<AzaTht>noticed that one of our VPS is lagging 52 seconds in their time, so if I make an update on an client under that time, it won't get noticed
18:56<AzaTht>I have then to manually touch the lists to make update read the lists
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18:56<AzaTht>dmoerner: ↑
18:56<dmoerner>AzaTht: hm sorry i'm not sure how to fix that
18:57<EmleyMoor>I am having some trouble getting horde to work OK after upgrading to lenny. If I activate turba, kronolith or mnemo, the left menu when logged in becomes an error about there being no MDB2.php. If I activate nag, similar appears on the login page instead of the login form
18:57<EmleyMoor>How do I put this right? I am limited to the other apps at present
18:57<AzaTht>dmoerner: can the check if updated be inactivated so it will read the lists everytime?
18:58<jon_>if I have etch, what do I have to do to get the ati/radeon drivers based on those pdfs about the ati chipsets that amd released somethign like a year ago?
18:58<AzaTht>jon_: first you need an CS degree
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18:59<AzaTht>as you need to implement it
18:59<Ryan52>jon_: so you can write the driver, of course
18:59<phillipsjk>".... shadow not enabled, password aging cannot be set. continuing." (Yes, I have shadow passwords disabled) "Not creating home directory '/var/run/dbus'."
18:59<Ryan52>I guess you don't *need* a CS degree. it would help, though.
18:59<jon_>I thought the drivers were written already... no?
18:59<clint1986>there might be a project underway
18:59<enouf>AzaTht: try trickle?
19:00<clint1986>depends on how recently the specifications were released
19:00<enouf>as a silly workaround?
19:00<AzaTht>enouf: ?
19:00<enouf>it'll slow the d/l update speed? to more than 52 seconds?
19:01<AzaTht>enouf: it's not the speed, but the timestamp
19:01<jon_>clint1986: I was guessing 14 months ago or so
19:01<enouf>i got no homepage for it here
19:01<enouf> user-space bandwidth shaper
19:01<enouf> Trickle is a voluntary, cooperative bandwidth shaper. it works
19:01<enouf> entirely in userland and is very easy to use.
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19:01<clint1986>jon_: there might be a driver in development but it could be incomplete or unstable
19:01<Ryan52>poor enouf
19:01<AzaTht>enouf: and it would be difficult to calculate the bandwidth
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19:02<AzaTht>enouf: and it would be difficult to calculate the bandwidth
19:02<clint1986>jon_: do you have one of those chipsets?
19:02<EmleyMoor>enouf is enouf, eh?
19:02<enouf>i thought i was in ##linux on freenode :-P
19:02<clint1986>you're not in kansas any more
19:02<jon_>hmm. I don't actually know, but I do know I have a asus m2a-vm mobo with an ati chipset on it
19:03<enouf>if time is your issue use NTP .. i have really no idea what the issue is
19:03<AzaTht>enouf: as I said, the server is on an VPS
19:03<enouf>make one system the server for all the rest
19:03<AzaTht>can't use ntp there
19:03<EmleyMoor>Need to be out of here four hours after sun up tomorrow so ought to go to bed soon
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19:04<abrotman>four hours .. after?
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19:05<clint1986>jon_: i think that uses the AMD 690G chipset - one of the new ones - and i'm reading mixed results in forums
19:05<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Yes - and it's not a work day
19:05<jon_>clint1986 yeah, that's it... is it an xsomething 1250
19:07<clint1986>jon_: i think the fglrx driver will give you 3d acceleration
19:07<clint1986>jon_: i've got one thread dated jun 2007 from an ubuntu user who says the card works quite well
19:08<jon_>oh good :)
19:08<clint1986>jon_: he had an asus m2a-vm
19:08<EmleyMoor>I will have to pursue horde further tomorrow or later in the week
19:09<clint1986>i don't know if the fglrx driver in etch would be recent enough for the card
19:09<clint1986>but lenny and most likely sid will
19:09<jon_>I don't need it immediately... I have a m2nsomethign now, but I want to swap it out so that I can do xen and 3d accel in the same boot session
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19:10<clint1986>the fglrx driver is in the non-free section of the debian repositories
19:10<jon_>isn't that a downloader for the actual binary?
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19:11<dmoerner>jon_: no.
19:11<clint1986>i think it builds it for the current kernel
19:11<jon_>builds? so source is out?
19:11<dmoerner>dpkg: tell jon_ about fglrx
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19:12<clint1986>you won't have to touch any source yourself
19:12<dmoerner>unless you run a git kernel
19:12<jon_>I'm definitely goign to have a custom kernel tho, almost for sure
19:12<clint1986>module-assistant will do the work mostly
19:12<clint1986>if you wanted to use it, of course
19:12<dmoerner>m-a works on 2.6.26 and older
19:13<jon_>I'm still kinda waiting for xen dom0 support on later 2.6es
19:13<dmoerner>if you use xorg from experimental fglrx won't work
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19:13<clint1986>you can always take the driver from the ati website
19:14<jon_>I'm still trying to get my bearings and understand my choices
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19:14<clint1986>if you need to
19:14<clint1986>but the good news is that the card seems to work well enough at the moment :)
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19:14<jon_>the thing is I really want that free driver, but I guess I'm hearing it's not stable enough if it even exists yet
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19:15<dmoerner>jon_: what card do you have again? R5xx has experimental free 3d support
19:15<clint1986>x1250 or something
19:16<jon_>amd 690<letter>
19:16<clint1986>amd 960g chipset
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19:16<clint1986>based on the motherboard model you gave me
19:16<jon_>yeah, that's what I have (all nice and packed in the box it came in where it will stay until I'm prepared :)
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19:18<clint1986>you get hdmi and all sorts with it
19:18<dmoerner>jon_: you can have free drm with radeonhd git
19:18<dmoerner>but no dri
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19:18<jon_>is this feasable: have the driver for my current card (nvidia non-legacy) -and- either fglrx or new free radeon installed and ready?
19:19<dmoerner>i don't believe you can have fglrx-glx and nvidia-glx installed concurrently
19:19<clint1986>you want to use cards from different vendors at the same time?
19:20<jon_>that might not be so bad as long as I can get x workign with or without 3d for long enough to install the right stuff after swapping
19:20<EmleyMoor>Is that almost as bad as cross-ply and radial tyres on the same axle?
19:20<clint1986>jon_: you want to install the ati driver whilst using the nvidia card and then swap the hardware?
19:20<jon_>clint1986 no I want to have both drivers available so that when I swap, it's 5 mins work to get everything up on the newer mobo
19:20<EmleyMoor>Anyway, off to bed
19:21<jon_>I want to spend the hard hours before swapping
19:22<clint1986>you could set it up to use the vesa driver
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19:22<clint1986>or just not have x start
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19:22<clint1986>do it from the cli
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19:22<clint1986>x can't be running when you make changes too
19:23<jon_>I guess I could do that too... but I might need web capability on soem sort of immediate basis
19:23<clint1986>instruct apt to download but not install the packages
19:23<dmoerner>jon_: i think you need to just give in and settle on one or the other.
19:23<clint1986>then they will be ready for install offline
19:24<jon_>dmoerner: I want the ati, but I also want to make sure I don't lose most of my capability for too long (and an hour is too long)
19:24<dmoerner>jon_: could you clarify why you can't use the ati all the time
19:24<jon_>ok... let's see...
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19:25<jon_>so, right now I have two motherboards, the one I'm using right now has an nvidia
19:25<jon_>it's working, x, everything
19:25<clint1986>the ati card is on the mb that he wants to swap to later
19:25<clint1986>i presume the hard drives and whatever just go on the new board
19:25<jon_>I want to be prepared
19:25<clint1986>are you using an integrated nic?
19:26<jon_>yeah, the hds will be fine, I chose the mobo to be fairly close except the nvidia
19:26<jon_>yes I am
19:26<clint1986>so that will change?
19:26<dmoerner>jon_: oh. that's easy. just use all free drivers during the switch over, and make sure /etc/X11/xorg.conf is auto-detecting the graphics card
19:26<jon_>and presumably will be
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19:26<jon_>oh, how do I autodetect?
19:27<dmoerner>jon_: is this etch or lenny or sid?
19:27<jon_>but I also have pci and isa nics too
19:27<jon_>currently etch or maybe etchnahalf
19:28<clint1986>if the actual non-integrated nic cards work then they should carry over easily
19:28<dmoerner>ah etch won't normally autodetect nevermind. just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg when you boot the new machine to reconfigure
19:28<clint1986>but the integrated nic might change (be a new make and model)
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19:29<jon_>how would I find out what nic is on the m2a-vm
19:30<dmoerner>lspci -nnvv
19:30<jon_>I mean before I swap :)
19:30<clint1986>look it up
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19:30<dmoerner>look on the manufacturer's website/search on google m2a-vm lspci
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19:32<jon_>keith80403:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
19:34<clint1986>there is a driver for that card
19:34<jon_>take the keith away, and that's the result of the google search as it applies to the builtin eth
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19:35<clint1986>someone was even kind enough to say how they got it working on debian:
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19:36<clint1986>should you come across any problems...
19:36<clint1986>it might just work all by itself
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19:37<nick>If I use aptitude safe-upgrade will that upgrade the kernel or leave the kernel untouched?
19:38<jon_>you want to know if it's really safe :)
19:39<nick> what do you meal really safe?
19:41<jon_>clint1986: nice... I think I can avoid some of those issues since the system is already installed (compilers, etc) and I'd still want to prepare as much as possible before swapping the hardware
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19:42<jon_>nick: you can put your kernel on hold. also,
19:42<jon_>if a new kernel is installed, there are only a few limited conditions under which it would remove the old one
19:44<jon_>if you're using grub right now, you'll have a somewhat easier time booting either
19:44<clint1986>gotta go - dad needs picking up...
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19:46<nick>is it not a good thing to put my kernel on hold?
19:46<abrotman>not really
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19:46<Ryan52>it should be fine.
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19:46<abrotman>no it's not
19:47<abrotman>he won't get any security updates
19:47<jon_>if your kernel works, it should be ok at least temporarily
19:47*Ryan52 didn't think of that :P
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19:54<jon_>if you're being attacked -now-, I'd make sure to get the security update as quickly as possible... failing that, you will be ok for some short timeframe, like an hour or a day
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19:55<william>i have loaded samba so how do i now get my debian to see network printers
19:56<william>the network printer is hanging off of an xp box
19:56<jon_>you might want to get generally familiar with samba
19:57<Ryan52>look in /etc/samba/smb.conf, it's well commented.
19:57<jon_>at least check the docs to see how to browse
19:57<william>ok thanks guys
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20:15<deb>I get "kernel panic- not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0,0)"
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20:16<deb>something about root=/dev/sde2
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20:17<deb>but how do I know which disk is going to get the sde or whatever?
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20:27<william>this is so frustrating to be so clueless. I had my workgroup name wrong so corrected that but can still not see printer hanging on the xp box. any ideas
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20:28<goluk>hya alguien en casa
20:28<dmoerner>dpkg: tell goluk -about es
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20:30<goluk>alguien sabe como puedo hacer para tener dos gatawey distintos en dos tarjetas de red pero sin k estos presenten conflictos
20:30<phillipsjk>william: you would have to enable printer sharing on the XP box (I don't think its on by default)
20:31<william>it is -- file and print sharing is enabled and the printer is shared with a name
20:32<dmoerner>william: what cups frontend are you using?
20:32<dmoerner>localhost:631 in a browser, something graphical, or none of the above?
20:33<william>dmoerner: localhost:631
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20:33<dmoerner>william: in my experience samba + localhost server always fails. if you can take the gnome dependencies i would recommend installing system-config-printer
20:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:34<william>dmoerner: you mean apt-get install system-config-printer
20:34<dmoerner>william: yes
20:34<dmoerner>if you have smbclient installed it will automatically have the samba stuff ready to set up
20:34<william>dmoerner: i will return soon thanks
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20:36<william>dmoerner: could not find package system-config-printer
20:36<dmoerner>william: ah it's not in etch. sorry
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20:37<william>dmoerner: that is ok how do i get the printer to be recognized by the debian box
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20:41<astronut>if i get a word document that's "read only" can i override that in open office?
20:41<astronut>it's just a flag somewhere, right?
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20:43<clint1986>deb: should /dev/sde2 be /dev/sda2 perhaps?
20:43<phillipsjk>astronut: what version or word? newer ones may use encryption for Information Rights Management
20:43<abrotman>astronut: it's a protected document
20:44<astronut>phillipsjk: if it's encrypted, i wouldn't be able to view, which i can
20:44<astronut>abrotman: ok... how do i overridethat?
20:44<phillipsjk>save as?
20:44<deb>clint1986: no, don't think so, seems to be somthing with initrd
20:44<abrotman>astronut: you could just copy the contents to a new document ?
20:45<clint1986>deb: ok sorry, i thought it might have been a typo
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20:46<astronut>phillipsjk: supprisingly, yes
20:46<astronut>*sigh* that made no sense
20:46<william>phillipsjk: if the xp box is file and print sharing with the printer having a shared name and all the other boxs on the network can see the printer then why cant the debian box see it
20:46<deb>no, didn't see "RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
20:46<deb>crc error" at first
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20:47<astronut>screw it
20:47<astronut>i'm just doing this in pen
20:47<astronut>i hate trying to overtype ____'s
20:47<william>phillipsjk: at am having a hard time converting to a linux user from windows
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20:49<clint1986>william: that is what cups does
20:49<clint1986>william: you can configure a linux computer with cups to accept and process printing jobs to send to a printer
20:49<clint1986>william: it sounds more complicated than it is, but the result is the same
20:50<william>clint1986: i can add the print via cups and then I can not send a test page to it
20:50<clint1986>i'm not very experienced with cups when it goes wrong
20:50<clint1986>but what kind of error do you get? if any
20:51<william>clint1986: will produce the error and then tell hold on
20:53<william>clint1986:network host with the ip that I gave it when i set it up which was the ip of the xp box it is hanging on is either down or busy will try again in 30 seconds
20:53<clint1986>sounds like the connection cannot get through
20:53<clint1986>the port isn't closed by a firewall or anything?
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20:54<clint1986>or something along the way?
20:55<william>clint1986: no firewalls so what would be in the way along the way
20:55<clint1986>i meant like the router or another machine or whatever
20:56<william>clint1986:would the ip be incorrect? well it does go through a router to get to the printer but so does all my windows boxes and they can print using this printer
20:57<clint1986>i don't know
20:57<clint1986>would it?
20:57<tcsetattr>do a "smbclient -L ser.ver.add.res" and see if it lists the printer
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20:58*phillipsjk loves window mangers that can be restarted without killing your programs
20:58<william>clint1986: should i use the routers ip? ok hold on
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20:58<clint1986>well, no
20:58<deb>where can I find the boot log?
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20:59<clint1986>you need to send it to the machine the printer is connected to
20:59<clint1986>you might need to forward it though
20:59<WayneSallee>I installed debian on a usb hard drive. I had trouble getting it to boot so I reinstalled it with it set up to boot from a floppy. I'd like to try got set the usb hard drive to boot without a floppy, also how do I read the boot files on the floppy?
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21:01<william>client1986: the smbclient -L gave me a command not found. was the forward it comment for me and if so how do I do that
21:02<clint1986>i have to be honest, i have only basic networking knowledge
21:02<clint1986>i can get a few machines together and the like
21:02<clint1986>but forwarding on a routers means taking data and sending it the right way
21:02<clint1986>usually it's in the router software
21:02<william>clint1986: we share the same problem. this is a huge learning curve for me
21:02<clint1986>i've never had a need to forward internal traffic myself
21:03<clint1986>usually just things coming from the internoodle
21:03<william>clint1986: oh you mean port forwarding.
21:03<clint1986>it might help
21:03<clint1986>but that's as much as i can really suggest, sorry :(
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21:04<william>clint1986: port 631 forward to the xp box?
21:04<clint1986>forward the cups port to the cups machine
21:04<william>clint1986: ok I will try that
21:05<clint1986>the printer is set up on that box right?
21:05<william>clint1986: no the printer is on an xp and the cups machine is what I am trying to get to recognize the printer on the xp box
21:05<clint1986>oh right
21:06<clint1986>that changes things quite a bit
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21:06<clint1986>do you have a cups client on the xp box?
21:06<clint1986>or server?
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21:07<william>ok besides printing on this printer it also has a card reader which I am trying to see via the debian box. no I do not have cups client on the xp box
21:07<clint1986>are you trying to get a cups server to talk to an xp shared printer?
21:07<william>that beit
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21:07<clint1986>you need to use samba printer sharing then i think
21:08<william>i have samba loaded and installed what else needs to be doen
21:08<clint1986>then i think it's an issue with samba more than cups
21:08<clint1986>i can't see a use for cups with this arrangement
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21:09<clint1986>you need to be communicating through a windows method
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21:10<william>ok so how do i use samba to see my xp box hung printer
21:11<clint1986>not sure - we need to know about any samba errors now
21:11<clint1986>forget cups
21:11<clint1986>hello :)
21:12<william>ok i can see the box that the printer is hanging from via gnome and the icons have smb on them
21:12<pinguirc>sorry to interupt... does anyhone here know much about vnc servers in debian, tunnelling through ssh?
21:13<clint1986>but you cannot find the printer itself?
21:13<william>it does not show through my gnome network servers interface
21:14<william>i have tried adding printer via admistration from gnome and it does not list mfc5840cn under brother
21:15<clint1986>i think that might help
21:15<william>i have loaded the lpr driver from the brother site and followed their instructions
21:15<clint1986>even a debian one there
21:16<william>ok thank you I will check these sites and see needless to say this is getting a bit frustrating. thanks.
21:17<pinguirc>i havent used a printer in years. not sure what that says
21:17<clint1986>the last one, you need section 3
21:17<pinguirc>state of the world etc : )
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21:17<clint1986>i should get around to setting up a printer really...
21:17<clint1986>for university
21:18<pinguirc>some cool kiosk style photo printers around these days in the supermarkets
21:18<pinguirc>i tend to use those for anything i must have on paper
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21:19<pinguirc>vncservers in linux at all?
21:19<pinguirc>anyone kowledgeable?
21:19<clint1986>not me, sorry
21:20<pinguirc>more specific: i need to restrict access to localhost, because im connecting ssh style
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21:21<pinguirc>so many users, so few people chatting
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21:23<pinguirc>know of any general 'linux' irc rooms?
21:23<pinguirc>i dont use irc much, not very familiar
21:23<chahibi>pinguirc, Freedone's #linux
21:24<chahibi>pinguirc, Freenode's #linux
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21:24<tlmiller>pinguirc, you should still try x11vnc
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21:25<pinguirc>oh, hi
21:25<pinguirc>yes - i did
21:26<pinguirc>i got the cygwin thing working in the end
21:26<pinguirc>but ive decided vnc is probably better for what i need
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21:26<tlmiller>because of the console access?
21:26<cockroach>hey, i'm currently experimenting with xorg from, well, experimental. i can't seem to get my keyboard or mouse to work, though. any idea, anyone?
21:27<pinguirc>well, it gives me a full view of the desktop
21:27<pinguirc>which is cool, because i have a system monitor thing set up showing disk usage etc
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21:27<pinguirc>anyway, its set up and working over ssh!
21:28<pinguirc>but im stuck with limiting access to the vncserver
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21:28<tlmiller>pinguirc, you can use mrtg and push that type of stuff to a web page
21:28<tlmiller>disk usage, etc
21:28<pinguirc>vncserver works well
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21:28<pinguirc>yes, cpu usage, ram usgae, network up.down
21:28<clint1986>cockroach: it can be hard to say what's wrong, being experimental
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21:28<clint1986>cockroach: but a copy of any error messages might help
21:29<pinguirc>any idea how to configure a linux vnc server to restrict access to a single ip address?
21:29<pinguirc>(ie localhost for ssh access)
21:29<cockroach>clint1986: it would, indeed. but i'm not getting any errors. just x sitting there, waiting for input but not accepting it :)
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21:29<cockroach>(it might also just be frozen - hard to tell)
21:30<clint1986>are you just curious?
21:30<clint1986>normally experimental is for developers and the like
21:30<stevecotton>cockroach: does ctrl alt backspace still work (it'll exit X if it does work)?
21:30<pinguirc>testing release works well
21:30<tlmiller>pinguirc, the man page for x11vnc says you can restrict which IP it listens on with the -listen option
21:31<cockroach>i wanted to try the new accelerated free radeon driver, so it's 50% curious, 50% interested in actually running it :)
21:31<pinguirc>its supposed to have a -localhost switch
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21:31<pinguirc>but it seems to have an issue
21:31<cockroach>stevecotton: no, doesn't. the only keys which work are caps/num/scroll-lock
21:31<pinguirc>(ty - manuals, yes : ) - windows user at heart)
21:31<pinguirc>should i being saying that in this company?
21:32<clint1986>heh, doesn't bother me
21:32<tlmiller>probably lots of folks here have to deal with windows machines at their day jobs
21:32<clint1986>windows has it's place for certain things
21:33<clint1986>if i was a gamer, i'd probably be on windows
21:33<pinguirc>dont suppose you have a url for that x11vnc man page?
21:33<pinguirc>i have
21:33<tlmiller>Like scanning at our company. We've not come up with good desktop scanning solutions for some of our enterprise medical records stuff
21:33<pinguirc>but that listen option doesnt seem to be lsited
21:33<pinguirc>yes - need windows sometimes
21:33<pinguirc>i use 3dsmax - need windows for that
21:34<tlmiller>pinguirc, I think you can create a .x11vncrc or something like that and put the options in that file instead of specifying them at launch
21:34<pinguirc>that would be ideal
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21:34<stevecotton>cockroach: maybe it's just my keyboard setup, but for me scroll-lock doesn't work the scroll-lock in X. It does in the console, so maybe the non-X keyboard driver is running for you.
21:34<clint1986>i suppose it is still kinda good for office work and the like - openoffice and koffice are fab, but microsoft office is kind of the standard in the real world
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21:35<tlmiller>pinguirc, so you could do an " -allow" or however your IP scheme were
21:35<pinguirc>its really just i need to allow, i think
21:35<pinguirc>and block all others
21:35<cockroach>stevecotton: that's what i thought, too. what's kind of weird is that the xorg log doesn't mention a mouse or a keyboard. shouldn't those be auto-detected these days? :)
21:35<pinguirc>i dont see any of these options in the man
21:37<stevecotton>cockroach: I've still got keyboard and mouse settings in my xorg.conf; but then I wouldn't take them out unless I had to.
21:37<tlmiller>pinguirc, try some of these
21:37<pinguirc>i have
21:37<tlmiller>and the config file I used on my machine was $HOME/.x11vncrc
21:38<tlmiller>pinguirc, oh so you're using straight up vncserver and not x11vnc?
21:39<tlmiller>pinguirc, ah well those are different products then.
21:40<pinguirc>it hasnt thrown an error with that -allow option, though
21:40<pinguirc>might just test it a min
21:41<tlmiller>pinguirc, if you use yours in inetd like the man page says, you would have to do the restricting through tcpwrappers
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21:42<tlmiller>pinguirc, err.... *like the manpage "mentions" is what I should say.
21:42<pinguirc>i dont know what inetd is
21:43<pinguirc>ill google it - one min
21:43<clint1986>looks after all your networking bit and pieces
21:43<tlmiller>inetd is a server daemon that you can nest other services under
21:43<clint1986>yeah, that
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21:43<pinguirc>i need to be a bit careful about restricting overall access
21:44<tlmiller>they call it a "super server" haha
21:44<pinguirc>because i want to use the server to host websites
21:44<tlmiller>pinguirc, is it going to be behind a firewall?
21:44<clint1986>sounds like a super hero
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21:45<tlmiller>back in the day, it was a super hero. we didn't used to have firewall software as freely available as it is today
21:45<tlmiller>we ran our systems on the public internet naked
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21:46<tlmiller>In fact, it wasn't uncommon for corporations desktop pc's to be publicly addressable on the public Internet back then
21:46<tlmiller>crazy idea, I know
21:46<clint1986>when is "then"?
21:46<pinguirc>sorry - was testing
21:46<pinguirc>yes - its behind a nat router
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21:46<pinguirc>the -allow option seems to have the same effect as -locahost
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21:47<tlmiller>NAT isn't the same as a firewall tho so be careful
21:47<pinguirc>worth knowing, but its causing a problem connecting
21:47<cockroach>stevecotton: i tried re-adding an explicit mouse section but xorg doesn't seem to care. ah well, i guess it's back to no-3d-land for me, then :)
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21:47<pinguirc>s'cool - its nothing important
21:47<clint1986>cockroach: for now
21:47<pinguirc>only for testing new websites
21:47<clint1986>cockroach: never give up the fight!
21:48<tlmiller>clint1986, back then was, early 90's.
21:48<pinguirc>i mean, its important that i do it, but it wouldnt hurt too much if the server was compromised
21:48<clint1986>tlmiller: heh, i would of been just 6 or 7
21:48<clint1986>tlmiller: simcity 2000 and theme park
21:49<clint1986>cockroach: is your card one of the new ones ati released the docs for?
21:49*cockroach wonders where he will ever be able to run debian stable on a desktop - usually new must-have features are in unstable as soon as stable is out :)
21:49<cockroach>clint1986: yes, x1950 (rv570 afaik)
21:49<pinguirc>i keep getting that same 'the connection closed unexpectedly' message
21:49<clint1986>cockroach: there may be backports...
21:49<cockroach>clint1986: true.
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21:49<cockroach>would be nice
21:50<clint1986>cockroach: but then it's not "debian stable" :p
21:50<tlmiller>pinguirc, sounds like that option isn't working for you then
21:50<pinguirc>no : (
21:50<clint1986>cockroach: lenny is pretty modern and i think it has a release aimed for september
21:50<cockroach>heh, indeed. especially in this case where i will need a kernel > than the one in stable :)
21:50<pinguirc>its silly, i have encrypted access to the server through ssh
21:50<clint1986>cockroach: i'm looking forward to doing the dist-upgrade :)
21:50<cockroach>clint1986: i know, my laptop is looking forward to it :)
21:51<clint1986>cockroach: ah, make-kpkg makes that easy
21:51<cockroach>my server finally made the sarge->etch upgrade two weeks ago :)
21:51<Cyorxamp>any ideas on what the new name for unstable will be next month?
21:51<pinguirc>but running that vncserver with standard options still makes the vnc available on the servers ip address
21:51<clint1986>that took a while
21:51<clint1986>any reason you held on?
21:51<tlmiller>If you stay away from the things labeled 'experimental' for your X-server you usually won't have a problem all the way up to 'unstable'. I've always run unstable and when it breaks, doing an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade a couple days later has always corrected whatever was broke
21:51<pinguirc>i need to restrict it so that i can only accesss via ssh
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21:51<cockroach>clint1986: sure, but again, it's not proper debian stable then. people get upset when i report bugs with custom kernels :)
21:52<astronut>Cyorxamp: sid
21:52<clint1986>Cyorxamp: always sid
21:52<Cyorxamp>astronut: sid won't be unstable any more, it will be testing
21:52<astronut>Cyorxamp: nope
21:52<astronut>unstable is always sid
21:52<clint1986>testing gets a new name
21:52<pinguirc>ive found the testing release very stable lately
21:52<Cyorxamp>didn't know
21:52<cockroach>tlmiller: i used to use sid, but at some point a couple of years (decades?) back netbase was broken. that was awful...
21:52<astronut>pinguirc: that's becaues it's frozen
21:52<pinguirc>works really well
21:52<Cyorxamp>ok whats the new name for testing next month?
21:53<clint1986>no idea
21:53<pinguirc>have windows / debian dual booting on fake raid 0
21:53<tlmiller>unstable gets a new name just like everybody else, doesn't he? I have always had unstable in my sources.list
21:53<clint1986>usually a toy story character
21:53<clint1986>i think it should be zurg
21:53<cockroach>(fwiw, xorg isn't forzen - the screensaver works just fine :))
21:53<pinguirc>dmraid install - first time its worked
21:53<Cyorxamp>Debian ZURG
21:53<clint1986>right on!
21:53<cockroach>frozen, that is
21:53<Cyorxamp>sorry... Debian ZURG 6!
21:53<astronut>Cyorxamp: it hasn't been announced yet
21:53<astronut>TIBS01: unstable is always "sid"
21:53<astronut>err, tlmiller
21:54<clint1986>tlmiller: you could keep sid or unstable
21:54<Cyorxamp>so is this the first time we move into toy story 2?
21:54<Cyorxamp>if it is zurg
21:54<clint1986>tlmiller: wouldn't make a difference
21:54<astronut>and Cyorxamp, i dunno if it will actually be released in september
21:54<astronut>here's hoping, but there's a lot of stuff to do
21:54<astronut>Cyorxamp: it's up the the RMs
21:54<Cyorxamp>wiki's still point to it being september :P
21:54<clint1986>it was just said on the mailing lists once
21:55<clint1986>but big projects like debian can always take longer than expected
21:55<astronut>Cyorxamp: that's the projected or target date
21:55<astronut>Cyorxamp: it will release when it's ready
21:55<clint1986>if lenny isn't worthy of release, then it will stay as testing
21:55<Cyorxamp>:D oh I know - I expect delays don't worry
21:55<astronut>right now there are 448 release critical bugs
21:55<Cyorxamp>this isn't my first bbq
21:56<clint1986>i would be really happy if it made it for september
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21:56<clint1986>when i go to university :)
21:56<ArMaNi>Hallo Everybody hier
21:56<plugwash>I would think the chance of a release in semptember is pretty low
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21:57<ArMaNi>I'm a newbie in Debian World
21:57<clint1986>but yeah, you're probably right :(
21:57<clint1986>hello ArMaNi :)
21:57<ArMaNi>and I have an Installation Problem
21:57<Cyorxamp>As Zurg is the father of Buzz (Debian 1.1)... Zurg had better be good :
21:57<clint1986>Cyorxamp: good point...
21:57<astronut>i doubt they'll jump to toy story 2 just yet
21:58<clint1986>there is still slinky and stuff
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21:58<Cyorxamp>didn't we already have bo >?
21:58<astronut>bo released a while ago
21:58<astronut>and maybe slink, not sure
21:58<clint1986>mike, that funny radio thing
21:58<clint1986>or mic
21:58<Cyorxamp>and slink
21:58<pinguirc>k - check this out, clink (if youre still interested)...
21:58<tlmiller>I think there was a slink
21:58<plugwash>debian has already had bo and slink
21:58<pinguirc>*clint (sorry : )
21:58<clint1986>we have?
21:58<plugwash>Last I checked the debian installer team didn't even have a release candidate yet and the rc bug count seems to be stubbonly sticking arround the 350 mark
21:58<Cyorxamp>who is hamm ?
21:59<clint1986>the pig
21:59<clint1986>we have had that
21:59<pinguirc>i dont even mean cling, i mean tlmiller
21:59<Cyorxamp>yeah I know I'm on wikipedia
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21:59<pinguirc>(sry - its v late)
21:59<Cyorxamp>it lists them all
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21:59<tlmiller>pinguirc, check out what?
21:59<pinguirc>i run 'vncserver -allow'
21:59<pinguirc>then i run 'nmap -p5901'
22:00<pinguirc>and it shows the port as closed
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22:00<pinguirc>i run 'vnserver' (no options)
22:00<pinguirc>and the port is open
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22:00<pinguirc>any idea why that should be?
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22:00<Cyorxamp>I don't think theres any left - it's on to Toy Story 2
22:00<tlmiller>pinguirc, well the -allow option wasn't for your package. It's for x11vnc
22:00<ArMaNi>oh shit I'm tired, I will go to Sleep hier
22:00<clint1986>shouldn't there be a space between "-p" and "5901"?
22:01<clint1986>or did you not copy and paste?
22:01<pinguirc>seems to do the same thing as the -localhost option
22:01<Cyorxamp>I mean Etch wasn't a toy story character - well ok it was... but it also exists in real life too
22:01<ArMaNi>can somebody help me, I have an Installation Problem
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22:01<pinguirc>dont think the space matters
22:01<Cyorxamp>and also never said anything
22:01<clint1986>ArMaNi: explain what's up, we'll try to help if we can
22:01<tlmiller>pinguirc, not if it doesn't set your vncserver to listening when you launch the server it doesn't
22:01<ArMaNi>thanks Clint
22:01<Cyorxamp>could have Debian Twister :P
22:01<pinguirc>sorry, not with you
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22:02<ArMaNi>the Installer say that he can't load my DVD Player Driver
22:02<tlmiller>pinguirc, the -allow option is undocumented in your vncserver man page. E.g. Don't use -allow
22:02<tragik>unop, the fstab modding worked brilliantly. do you know of an open source alternative to VMWare Workstation?
22:02<pinguirc>the only other option listed is -localhost
22:02<pinguirc>that seems to do the same thing
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22:03<ArMaNi>than he propose to try this from a drivers Cd
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22:03<pinguirc>ie closes the vnc ports
22:03<ArMaNi>waht I also trying to do
22:03<tlmiller>pinguirc, makes sense that it would close off network access. is the local host afterall
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22:03<tragik>darn, unop is gone. anyone have any clue to an open source alternative to VMWare Workstation?
22:04<tlmiller>pinguirc, you can do some goofy reverse pushes with the vnc suite too so it's probably more to do with that.
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22:04<ArMaNi>after there, he say that he hav a Problem with the Drivers Cd, and so on
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22:04<pinguirc>i think -localhost should deny access from anything other than or the local ip address
22:05<ArMaNi>but he keep in a loop and can't continue the intallation
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22:05<pinguirc>but it seems to be denying everything - including localhost
22:05<tlmiller>pinguirc, I can't exactly. I've never dug into it because I've never had a need but as I understood it vnc has options to let you from a console, project outward, for lack of better wording
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22:06<ArMaNi>and if I try to skep the Step and try to Load the Network driver, he can't found this also
22:06<tlmiller>pinguirc, there's tons of documentation on that go into a lot of detail on what all the vnc suite can do
22:06<nockster>gnome-theme-manager freezes if I try to scroll through the list of themes.... please does anyone know why this might be happening?
22:06<ArMaNi>any Idea?!?
22:06<pinguirc>i found a guy on forum that seems to have the same problem
22:06<pinguirc>im cool with vnc
22:07<pinguirc>the problem is restricting access to the ssh tunnel
22:07<zboy417>hey, how do i upgrade (safely, last time i tried i had to reinstall debian) go from stable to testing?
22:07<tlmiller>pinguirc, natively vnc has very little secuirty built in so I wouldn't expect you to be able to satisfactorily secure vnc just from vnc. That's why you're tunneling over ssh. That's why you put it inside inetd and use tcpwrappers. The password is sent in the clear even.
22:07<pinguirc>yes - exactly
22:08<ArMaNi>@zboy: I think you can't do this, see the Docus on ;)
22:08<jon_>zboy417: might be nice to know what problems you had specifically
22:08<pinguirc>all i need to do now is restrict vnc access to anything other than the ssh tunnel (which i have working)
22:08<pinguirc>it should be so simple!
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22:08<zboy417>jon_: I accidentally wasn't paying attention, it deleted good files, etc
22:08<zboy417>i goofed up
22:09<ArMaNi>any Idea to my Problem?!?
22:09<tlmiller>pinguirc, so don't think of it as restricting access to the tunnel. The tunnel is not accessible anyway. You need to think of it as restricting access to the vnc listener service. E.g. port 5901 on that box. So read up on inetd and tcpwrappers.
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22:09<jon_>zboy417: one thing you can do is make sure your /home is a separate partition
22:10<jon_>another, you can back up
22:10<Salz>is there a "deluxe" version for df for the console? ie better output, sorting...
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22:10<zboy417>jon_ there's not anything important on here anyways
22:10<zboy417>it just for me to learn how to use debian
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22:10<pinguirc>maybe im missing something silly. been doing this way too long
22:11<zboy417>Ryan52: You here?
22:11<pinguirc>armani - maybe you have a corrupt cd?
22:11<pinguirc>did you do a hash check when you downloaded the iso?
22:11<tlmiller>pinguirc, Yeah, you're somehow missing that running vncserver under inetd is what you want to do
22:11<zboy417>hey we go again :)
22:11<zboy417>updating :)
22:11<pinguirc>ok : ) ty
22:11<jon_>zboy417: ahh, then it's safer than I thought... I was assuming it was a years-old debian
22:11<pinguirc>i will research inted
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22:12<ArMaNi>@pinguirc: I do it also
22:12<ArMaNi>the Cd is OK, because I try it on my LapTop and it work without problems
22:12<pinguirc>ive had the debian installer crash a few times in the past
22:12<pinguirc>and its usually turned out to be a bad cd
22:13<tlmiller>pinguirc, you should have an inetd.conf in /etc/
22:13<pinguirc>maybe you should try rewriting it to a new one at a low write speed
22:13<pinguirc>ok - i need coffee. see if i can make my brain work properly
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22:13<ArMaNi>and why work it on my Laptop?
22:13<tlmiller>pinguirc, there's examples in the inetd.conf you can follow
22:13<pinguirc>(three am you know : )
22:14<thepretender84>if you have 4GB of memory, do you still need a swap partition?
22:14<pinguirc>i still use swap when theres plenty of ram
22:14<pinguirc>no reason not to
22:14<thepretender84>just curious
22:15<thepretender84>would there be a perfomance gain if I used a 4GB sd card for my swap partition?
22:15<ArMaNi>ok, I see ... no Body can help me
22:16<pinguirc>sd cards are v slow
22:16<thepretender84>ok, thanks
22:16<tlmiller>thepretender84, the only time you don't need a swap file is if you can guarantee your system will never ever, ever go one byte over the available RAM. Because if you do, then the OS has to discard data and close apps. Even a very small swap is good insurance.
22:16<ArMaNi>I go sleep and try this tomorrow
22:16<ArMaNi>exit :P
22:16<pinguirc>im sharing an ntfs swap parition between linux and windows on one of my computers
22:16<pinguirc>works really well
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22:21<astronut>Cyorxamp: There are a good 5-10 left from TS1
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22:22<astronut>there's a list, somewhere
22:22<astronut>several of sid's toys weren't used
22:22<astronut>a few of the toys from the resteraunt
22:23<Cyorxamp>I don't remember a resteraunt in TS1
22:23<clint1986>the aliens
22:23<astronut>where buzz got lost in the first place
22:23<Cyorxamp>isn't that TS2?
22:23<astronut>andy went to the space themed resteraunt
22:23<clint1986>would the pizza driver constitute a character?
22:24<astronut>maybe, bit they've all been named for toys
22:24<Cyorxamp>I think it should be limited to -named- toys, which excludes humans and board games
22:24<astronut>not counting sid
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22:28<astronut>stupid comcast
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22:30<Cyorxamp>Has anyone in here ever had a Belkin PRO2 or PRO3 kvm?
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22:33<tragik>hey guys, quick question. How can you get a launcher to use root permissions via sudo or something else for that specific program?
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22:34<astronut>tragik: and in which DE?
22:34<tragik>Gnome, sorry about that
22:36<tragik>found a solution. gksudo instead of sudo. thanks guys
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23:28<Name141>Will the min install CD run like a "liveCD" or just installer?
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23:28<dmoerner>Name141: only installer. no official debian livecds exist
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23:29<Name141>Oh. So I'd have to actually install to see if I like it?
23:29<Name141>or maybe VMWare/etc
23:29<dmoerner>Name141: you can't really get any idea of a distribution from a livecd
23:29<Hatty>Gnoppix is a debian livecd i believe
23:29<dmoerner>what matters is how you can set it up and how consistently it can be maintained
23:30<dmoerner>gnoppix is knoppix with gnome and is unofficial
23:30<Name141>dmoerner: OK, nor does VMWare/virtual box
23:30<dmoerner>Name141: what do you mean? virtualbox is a fine way to test installs
23:31<Name141>dmoerner: it doesn't pick up my USB, and other hard ware, etc
23:32<dmoerner>to get usb support in virtualbox you have to use the non-ose version
23:32<dmoerner>all other hardware is picked up
23:32<Name141>They have a windows version for that
23:33<dmoerner>what are the antecedents of "they" and "that"
23:33<Name141>"virtualbox non-ose version"
23:33<dmoerner>virtualbox proprietary edition supports usb just fine
23:35<Name141>Perhaps it's the NTFS drives?
23:35*Name141 shrugs
23:35<dmoerner>i have no idea about windows virtualbox support
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23:35<enouf>i totally concur that a LiveCD is no way to learn linux - it's for a quick look, rescuing, and random use and portable
23:35<enouf>!info bootcd
23:36<Name141>Well, I would atleast get the idea of how the distro works/feels.
23:36<dpkg>bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.11 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
23:36<enouf>that takes your installation and makes a bootable cd out of it :-P
23:36<enouf>but, so what, allocate a partition and test it out :-) if you don't like it, you wipe it ;-)
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23:37<Name141>yeah, that takes time
23:37<enouf>or, i guess a VM
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23:38<enouf>you need usb support to run a VM? wtf?
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23:48<panthera>dmoerner: there are official debian livecds.
23:49<dmoerner>panthera: which are you thinking of?
23:49<dmoerner>there are certainly alioth kde4 demos
23:49<panthera>those which i'm just uploading to
23:49<dmoerner>but i wouldn't really call them "official livecds" because they lack the debian-installer
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23:50<dmoerner>panthera: ah very nice i wasn't aware of this
23:50<panthera>dmoerner: *live* cd has nothing to do with if there is d-i on it or not.
23:50<panthera>it's a live cd, not an install cd.
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23:55<qq>but there are live cd with install to (hard disc , usb ...) , i forgot the name
23:55<dmoerner>panthera: yes you are right.
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23:59<panthera>qq: there exists combined installer and live cds. which debian can do too;
23:59<panthera>it's just that live-installer has some bugs left to fix prior prime time.
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