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---Logopened Fri Sep 05 00:00:41 2008
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00:19<ApOgEE->do u guys know any guide to recompile debian-arm kernel for ts-7260 SBC?
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00:24<MOST35>Lots of people here
00:25<MOST35>and.. foxes
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00:25<foxes>MOST35, hi~
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00:25*MOST35 waves
00:25<ApOgEE->yo MOST35
00:25<ApOgEE->hi foxes
00:25<foxes>:D apecat
00:26<foxes>:D ApOgEE-
00:26<ApOgEE->:p need more tab
00:26<foxes>so many people!
00:26<MOST35>yes, do you recognize any of them?
00:26<foxes>they all use diffrent nicks...
00:26<MOST35>I'm almost afraid to type who
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00:27<MOST35>so many peeps
00:27<MOST35>So I hear you leik Debian
00:27<foxes>how can i run a script when my SD card insert into the card reader?
00:27<MOST35>I'm thinknig of getting a Linux distro for the first time
00:28<MOST35>Is Debian the best?
00:28<foxes>flash@debian:/etc/udev/rules.d$ more 95_usb_backup.rules
00:28<foxes>BUS="usb", SYSFS{vendor}=="Genesys", SYMLINK="sdb1", RUN+="/home/flash/app/"
00:28<foxes>i did this ,but...
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00:28<foxes>MOST35, how about your pc?
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00:29<MOST35>DELL Inspiron
00:29<plm156>can i have a 2.4 kernel on testing, i need an old kernel for an old/obsolete device (
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00:30<foxes>mine is dell optiplex 320
00:30<MOST35>I'm gonna wipe it and make that old bird sing a new song
00:30<MOST35>Graphics card runs too slow to game on it anymore
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00:31<MOST35>But its still good for other fun projects
00:31<ApOgEE->do u guys know any guide to recompile debian-arm kernel for ts-7260 SBC?
00:31<RIVE>MOST35, i use Debian in a Inspiron 1520.|
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00:32<foxes>MOST35, debian is good
00:32<foxes>for your pc
00:33<RIVE>And in a Eee PC 701, my desktop, the house server, it fills my needs.
00:33<MOST35>Is there any particular feature of debian that makes it better?
00:34<dondelelcaro>!tell MOST35 -about why debian
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00:34<RIVE><MOST35> Is there any particular feature of debian that makes it better? <-- Besides this IRC channel?
00:36<MOST35>Was that !tell supposed to tell me something? ;-)
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00:39<dondelelcaro>MOST35: dpkg /msg'ed you with information
00:39<alberto2236>finally some one answer
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00:40<alberto2236>why no one talk?
00:41<alberto2236>fuck this sucks
00:41<dondelelcaro>alberto2236: this is a support channel, not a random chat channel. If you want to chat, you're looking for some other network, and some other channel.
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00:42<RIVE>I like Debian because... it Social Contract, no corporation ows it, supports many procesors -i use x386, ppc, amd64 and a sparc- the sparc still does not have Debian but wiil have.
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00:45<foxes>MOST35, easy to install and stable for use.
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00:57<RIVE>HI H
00:58<H>como anda man
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01:02<cTATUK>what's the driving motivation
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01:02<eightyeight>anyone running testing on a sun ultra 10?
01:03<cTATUK>i mean like is it for example to provide newer versions of packages that have newer features required for other packages to function properly?
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01:06<cTATUK>i understand it's to make newer versions of packages available for older systems..
01:07<cTATUK>but what's the criteria for inclusion?
01:07<cTATUK>(into backports)
01:07<dondelelcaro>cTATUK: in testing, and maintainer uploads it
01:08<cTATUK>is it likely for backports packages to go into stable revisions?
01:08<cTATUK>ie 4.0r5
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01:09<blarson>cTATUK: no.
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01:11<blarson>backports are done by choice of the person doing the backport.
01:11<cTATUK>any idea where to get newer etch non-free nvidia packages?
01:11<cTATUK>ie newer than 8xxx
01:12<blarson>eightyeight: etch on my ultra-10s. sid on my ultra-60.
01:13<eightyeight>having issues with any kernel newer than 2.6.18 recognizing my nic
01:13<eightyeight>ethtool eth0 shows no link
01:13<eightyeight>unless in 2.6.18
01:14<blarson>Strange, I think both the u10 and u60 use hme, which works fine for me under 2.6.26.
01:15<blarson>I should test the lenny installer anyway.
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01:25*eightyeight checks the module
01:25<eightyeight>sunhme is what i have loaded
01:26<eightyeight>i did notice a new libc update, which broke the client i was running on it
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01:26<blarson>happy meal ethernet. The successor to BME big mac ethernet.
01:27<eightyeight>yeah. module gets loaded on newer kernels, but refuses to autoneg
01:27<eightyeight>as a link is never detected
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03:14<Baggy2>What's the difference between using --with-sysroot=/path and just using --prefix=/path when compiling binutils.. the compiler will search the prefix path, will it not?
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03:17<Baggy2>err.. if I use sysroot, does that mean that I can move the prefix directory to any path, and the tools will still work? paths get hardcoded relative to the sysroot location?
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03:58<MartinVW>Hello, I've got a server running a raid1 where one hard disk crashed. I've put a new hard disk into the server, created a partition table and such... but I'm not quite sure how to put the second hard disk into the degraded raid array...
03:59<MartinVW>I've done mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/hda1 (that's the hard disk that is still working). mdadm now says: assembled from one drive, need 2 to run - use --run to insist.
03:59<MartinVW>Can I now just add the second drive, or do I need to start the degraded array with --run before I do this?
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03:59<MartinVW>I'm concerned if I do something wrong, that the empty raid disk overwrites the data on the healthy disk.
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04:07<MartinVW>OK, got it. Without --run, I wasn't able to add the missing disk, so I used it.
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04:10<Shadowdancer>congrats ;-)
04:10<Shadowdancer>I'm not looking forward to when one of the disks in my array fails, since I'll have the exact same fear
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04:24<clarence>I want to use debian
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04:27<plm156>is it possible to install a 2.4 kernel at testing or stable ?
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04:28<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
04:30<Shadowdancer>(1) install kernel headers, (2) run installer, (3) change xorg.conf, (4) pray. Repeat steps (2-4) every time X gets updated.
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04:31<zep^>Shadowdancer: something i should do or did u say it to someone else ?
04:32<Shadowdancer>that's the way I'm using nv drivers
04:32<Shadowdancer>you have to watch out though, they seem to be incompatible with kernels >=2.6.26
04:34<zep^>i've tried to change the xorg.conf, but it doesn't work, if i try to use the generic video card (vesa) i get a black screen and need to reboot the computer, if i use the nv module i get the error no displays where found, and if i use the nvidia module i get an error message saying that the module doesn't exist
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04:35<Shadowdancer>did you successfully run the binary driver installer?
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04:36<zep^>Shadowdancer: yes, the nvidia.o and is in xorgs module directory
04:37<Shadowdancer>paste the Xorg.0.log
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04:43<zep^>is it possible to copy between 2 terminals ?
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04:46<zep^>before the errormessage i get a warning, couldn't open module nvidia
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04:48<Shadowdancer>lsmod | grep nvidia
04:48<Shadowdancer>if that fails, try: modprobe nvidia
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04:48<dpkg>gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks.
04:49<zep^>Module nvidia not found :(
04:51<Shadowdancer>run the binary installer again and check what it says. It tries to compile a module, and tells you about a log file if it fails
04:51<Shadowdancer>you need at least the proper kernel headers for that
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04:55<zep^>doh, dont like using lynx to find things on the web :D hehe
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04:59<Shadowdancer>are you running a kernel from Debian packages?
04:59<zep^>i'm not that used to linux so i'm not sure what you mean... i downloaded a debian cd and installed that
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04:59<Shadowdancer>OK, so you need to install them
05:00<zep^>which debian packages should i install ?
05:00<Shadowdancer>please run "uname -r" and copy the result here...
05:02<blitz\away>is there a page which shows what packages is included in each of the "predefined collections" in the install options?
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05:08<zett>how to install flash ?
05:09<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
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05:09<dpkg>gnash is, like, a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
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05:10<ivo_>i have liveCd version that can't install on hard disk. is it possible to copy this liveCd to disk, and start like friom cdrom?
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05:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, swfdec is another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME
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05:14<Shadowdancer>zep^: install the package linux-headers-2.6.18-4-all-amd64
05:15<Shadowdancer>uhm... wait
05:15*Shadowdancer hates that there's no damn correlation between available kernel images and -header packages
05:16<Shadowdancer>dear maintainers, get that shit straight. kthxbai.
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05:18<Shadowdancer>seriously, whoever maintains the kernel packages needs to be violated.
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05:18<Shadowdancer>I gather you're on Debian etch?
05:19<Shadowdancer>OK, there *should* be a package "linux-headers-2.6.18-6-all-amd64". Install that and run the nvidia installer again.
05:20<zep^>yes, and the package you first said exists, but i cant install it without a cd i dont have
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05:20<Shadowdancer>time to add network sources to apt
05:20<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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05:21<themill>(and comment out the line for the CD)
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05:22<Shadowdancer>add those two lines:
05:23<Shadowdancer>deb etch main contrib non-free
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05:23<Shadowdancer>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
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05:23<Shadowdancer>comment out the CD line(s) as themill said
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05:23<Shadowdancer>then follow dpkg's advice
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05:24<zep^>i got the line you said without non-free .. should i add it on the end or should i write a new line ?
05:25<dpkg>i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
05:25<themill>zep^: ^^ depends on whether you want non-free software or not
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05:26<Shadowdancer>for now, you'll probably be fine with main alone
05:26<zep^>thanks :D
05:27<zep^>after installing the headers i should find and reinstall nvidias binary installer ?
05:27<Shadowdancer>run it again
05:28<zep^>you dont have the link to where the installer is ? because i dont have it on my disk anymore
05:28<Shadowdancer>if you don't have it anymore for whatever reason:
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05:29<themill>!why nvidia installer sucks
05:29<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>.
05:30<zep^>but the debian packages dont work
05:30<Shadowdancer>!why nvidia drivers packaged for stable releases suck
05:30<themill>backport then
05:30<Shadowdancer>there should be text
05:31<Shadowdancer>I've had nothing but trouble with debian packages for proprietary drivers
05:31<themill>Shadowdancer: IMO, helping people to use the nvidia installer is like helping them change to sid. It might work now, but you're making a timebomb for everyone else on #debian to deal with. Unless, of course, you promise to be around all the time to help the people who you have sent down this course...
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05:32<themill>dpkg, fix benjamin's internet connection
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05:33<Shadowdancer>amazingly, all I need to do is re-run the installer every now and then when the GL driver got overwritten (that's about the only thing that gets farked up)
05:34<Shadowdancer>the only symptoms of that were X crashing when GL apps opened, but everyday business worked without a hitch
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05:34<henkmetselaar>how can I see which video driver is installed/running?
05:34<zep^>why update it that much ?
05:35<Shadowdancer>I'm on testing
05:35<Shadowdancer>xorg is very much a moving target
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05:36<zep^>the installer couldn't find any precomiled kernel,
05:36<Shadowdancer>I wouldn't even need 3D accel, but the drivers from Xorg packages don't work, because they fail to use any resolution higher than 1280x1024
05:36<Shadowdancer>zep^: that's alright, it just means that it needs to compile on of its own
05:37<henkmetselaar>I can't choose 1280*1024, highest is 1024*768. But I know my oldie card can handle
05:37<zep^>:d apparantly i dont have gcc installed either :D
05:37<themill>!b-e zep^
05:37<dpkg>zep^: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
05:37<Shadowdancer>OK, now you need to install the gcc version that was used for the kernel image.
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05:39<zep^>why doesnt the cd install essential programs ? maybe i've chosen wrong cd ?
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05:40<Shadowdancer>the CD assumes you don't need to do that kind of stuff
05:40<themill>zep^: build-essential isn't essential, it's only needed if you try building things which most people don't
05:40<zep^>seems like you need to build things to use debian :D
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05:40<themill>zep^: not on most of my boxes
05:41<zep^>yay, it worked, thank you very much Shadowdancer and themill
05:41<Shadowdancer>I'm kind of opposed to the idea of pushing GNU/Linux to the desktop and the average user :-/
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05:43<zep^>i've tried to change to linux lots of times, but allways end up going back to windows, but this semester we have a open source course so hopefully i'll learn some more and stays on linux
05:43<Shadowdancer>installers should first show a warning that whatever follows is likely coming with a good deal of complications, and if someone is not willing to do a good deal of troubleshooting and research, they should be directed to Apple or Microsoft.
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05:44<Shadowdancer>or, to quote Babylon 5, "You will know fear, you will know pain, and then you'll die. Have a pleasant trip."
05:45<spion->to quote frank herbert (roughly) "i let the fear flow through my body, ill stay, ill let it pass away, and then only i will remain"
05:45<Shadowdancer>"... on a Mac." ;-)
05:48<zep^>i've learned alot by installing debian though :D
05:48<zep^>hopefully i'll remember most of it next time
05:49<themill>how many times do you intend to install it?
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05:49<zep^>if i get used to it i'll probably install it on new computers
05:50<EmleyMoor>We're nearly an entirely Debian outfit here now...
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05:50<themill>:) (just wanting to make sure you weren't planning on doing the usual microsoft "it doesn't work I'll just reinstall" routine)
05:50<Shadowdancer>the installation is the easy part... everyday maintenance is where you learn to build commanlines using dpkg, sed, awk, xargs, and aptitude (and that's all in one pipe!)
05:51<EmleyMoor>Just David's machine (Windows) and half my laptop (Windows), plus one switched-off FreeBSD... the rest is all Debian
05:52*Shadowdancer still needs to rebuild a complete private CA and pay the SSL maintainer a visit
05:52<EmleyMoor>Is there a good PCI ADSL modem that can be used as part of a bridge on Debian?
05:52<henkmetselaar>unfortunately our ministry has on-line to forms to fill in that won't cooperate with any other browser than IE7. So it'll be a windoze eXPerience for me again this weekend
05:54<EmleyMoor>I am looking to build my own DSL/Ethernet/WLAN router/firewall, and I have a /28 over my DSL
05:54<Lethalman>anyone with libc6 2.7-10? i need a tester for a .c program which could be a potential bug in glibc
05:54<Lethalman>it's only a simple testcase
05:54<themill>henkmetselaar: really? requires IE7 not even just IE6. Yikes. Does it work if you spoof the user agent?
05:54<henkmetselaar>I tried in opera, it works only partly
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05:55<Shadowdancer>EmleyMoor: I'd definitely go for a modem attached over ethernet
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05:56<EmleyMoor>Shadowdancer: Really not sure how I'd use one of those... but the thought had crossed my mind
05:56<Shadowdancer>PPPoE most of the time
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05:56<Shadowdancer>but no hardware specific drivers
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05:57<EmleyMoor>Could I have the same IP all the way across to the "inside" port on the /28 with such an arrangement?
05:57<Shadowdancer>or you just get some DSL router... Configuration-wise that's probably the easiest way
05:57<henkmetselaar>themill: yayness, I should mask, not identify as IE. Then just ignore the error message and it works :)
05:57<EmleyMoor>I have one but it's a pain to get it to do all I want
05:57<EmleyMoor>If I could find a good, well-configurable one, that would be great
05:57<Shadowdancer>all the modem then does is protocol conversion. You get a PPP network device that you can use however you want.
05:58<Shadowdancer>setting it up can be a bit tricky, but it's not quite black magic
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05:58<Shadowdancer>gotta run
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06:01<themill>henkmetselaar: what do you mean by "mask"?
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06:01<henkmetselaar>I guess that's opera-browser specific. in site preferences you can choose to identify as either opera/IE/FF or to mask as FF/IE
06:02<henkmetselaar>I guess it's a kind of super-spoof, don't know exactly what it does
06:02<themill>henkmetselaar: sounds curious...
06:02<TBBle>Presumably either completely hides any hint of Opera from the user agent, or in fact also munges javascript tests?
06:03<henkmetselaar>it works, it what is most important to me atm.
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06:12<uran235>i got a problem with adding users in my debian system (40r4 etch; kernel 2.6.18-6-am64). whenever i try to add (as root in x) a new user the program crashes. what can i do ?
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06:26<henkmetselaar>how do I check which video driver is used?
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06:27<cTATUK>any idea where to get newer (>8xxx) etch non-free nvidia packages?
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06:33<EmleyMoor>cTATUK: simple-sid-backport of what's there? Had to do it for lenny...
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06:34<cTATUK>i tried
06:34<cTATUK>don't think it worked ..
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06:35<cTATUK>suppose i can try again and post errs
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06:37<variable>how to change loyaut of keyboard to another language?
06:37<variable>a have gnome
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06:37<variable>is there shortcut for it?
06:37*egns saluda a todo dios
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06:38<thctlo>hi, question, just installde my dansguardian+squid with antivirus in etch, im apt-get updateing over my new proxy, and im getting 2 virus infected files !!
06:38<thctlo> reporting virus MBL_94433
06:39<thctlo>and same virus MBS_94433
06:39<petemc>i would imagine thats a false positive
06:39<petemc>ot two false positives
06:39<thctlo>i would think also, but im checking here.. ;-)
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06:39<thctlo>google does not find any thing on MBL_94433 virus
06:40<thctlo>so or its a very new virus, or it false positive.
06:40<thctlo>could someone here also check if possible.
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06:42<cTATUK>variable: Add to Panel... -> Keyboard Indicator
06:43<cTATUK>thctlo: Try grabbing those from a non-nl country and see if it gets the same?
06:44<cTATUK>and..which virus checker?
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06:44<henkmetselaar>the two viruses do not have the same code or you mistyped one
06:45<henkmetselaar>the checksum is ok?
06:45<grub>hello, X just crashed, and i get the error "Fatal server error: lockup". Is this is a known bug? Debian lenny. Intel 945GM. Is this a known bug in xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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06:46<cTATUK>okay the checksums between nl/us match
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06:48<thctlo>cTATUK : ill check a mirror server, using clamav 0.94 with sanesecurity updates, virus report:
06:48<thctlo> number 94433
06:48<cTATUK>it's reporting it's a win32 virus
06:48<cTATUK>and you're on a non-win os
06:48<thctlo>jep :D
06:48<variable>cTATUK, where is that keyboard indicator?
06:48<cTATUK>so... you can be pretty sure it's a false positive
06:49<cTATUK>variable: right click a GNOME panel and hit 'Add to Panel'
06:49<thctlo>ow and this is only on with the lenny packages.
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06:50<cTATUK>please to halp? :>
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06:51<cTATUK>obviously i have the nvidia-kernel-source package
06:51<EmleyMoor>cTATUK: Use nvidia-kernel-source to build nvidia-kernel (using m-a) first
06:51<cTATUK>but not nvidia-kernel
06:51<cTATUK>i didn't see any m-a steps
06:51<thctlo>cTATUK: sam on us mirror
06:51<cTATUK>EmleyMoor: `m-a nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-5_i386.deb` ?
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06:52<EmleyMoor>Install nvidia-kernel-source first, then cd /usr/src, m-a a-i nvidia-kernel, I think
06:52<cTATUK>is this a kernel module
06:52<cTATUK>or is my kernel actually going to be rebuilt somewhere?
06:54<cTATUK>i did that
06:54<cTATUK>building failed..
06:54<cTATUK>Build log starting, file: /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog.2.6.18-6-686.1220612009
06:54<cTATUK>Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:53:29 -0500
06:54<cTATUK>that literally _is_ the buildlog
06:54<cTATUK>that's what's contained in that file
06:54<cTATUK>nothing more
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06:55<EmleyMoor>So how do you know it failed?
06:55<EmleyMoor>It is a kernel module
06:55<cTATUK>it was an ncurses screen
06:55<cTATUK>but i see some stdout after exiting
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06:56<EmleyMoor>Have you installed nvidia-kernel-source?
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06:57<thctlo>very strange, 2 servers, bot etch, upgrading to lenny, 1 server gets virus message 1 not, bot use the same sources.list and proxy server .. im getting crazy.. but .. first lunch now.
06:57<cTATUK>(obviously, before cd /usr/src/ && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel
06:58<EmleyMoor>ls /usr/src
06:59<EmleyMoor>OK - and ls /usr/src/modules?
06:59<cTATUK>should i manually untar it?
07:00<cTATUK>nothing about nvidia in modules
07:00<cTATUK>only one
07:00<EmleyMoor>In that case, manually untar it and try again
07:00<cTATUK>but yeah
07:00<cTATUK>is my kernel going to be rebuilt ..?
07:00<cTATUK>just a module then eh
07:00<EmleyMoor>A module is going to be built against your current kernel
07:01<cTATUK>seeming to be working now
07:01<cTATUK>we'll see
07:03<cTATUK>m-a created a .deb...
07:03<cTATUK>but i'm pretty sure it also already automatically installed it ..
07:03<EmleyMoor>If you did the a-i it should have
07:04<EmleyMoor>Do dpkg -l | grep nvidia
07:04<cTATUK>i missed errs from the m-a
07:04<cTATUK>old nvidia-kernel-common..
07:06<EmleyMoor>Not sure how you proceed from there
07:06<cTATUK>best way to undo it all? :>
07:07<EmleyMoor>Depends what sort of state it was in before really
07:07<cTATUK>i guess i'll just
07:08<EmleyMoor>I can't point you back if I don't know where precisely you started - or what point you want to get to
07:08<cTATUK>rm -rf /usr/src/nvidia* && rm -rf /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel
07:08<EmleyMoor>I'd see if someone else can help you go forwards
07:08<cTATUK>mainly i want to undo anything m-a did
07:08<cTATUK>and my unpacking of the tar
07:09<cTATUK>i really want to find a precompiled package
07:09<EmleyMoor>cTATUK: dpkg -P nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686
07:09<EmleyMoor>As for a precompiled package, I don't think you're going to find one
07:09<cTATUK>why would i do that?
07:09<cTATUK>what's -P
07:10<EmleyMoor>cTATUK: To remove that module package, and all configuration it may have installed.
07:10<cTATUK>that's the proper one though
07:10<cTATUK>just forget it @.@
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07:10<EmleyMoor>It isn't "proper" because you haven't got the right -common for it
07:10<EmleyMoor>You can leave it there for further replacement if necessary
07:10<EmleyMoor>I would see if someone else can help you go forward
07:10<cTATUK>reason i want to upgrade is because the etch version doesn't have texture_from_pixmap support
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07:11<cTATUK>which is needed to run compiz ;x
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07:16<Shadowdancer>running compositing with nvidia drivers isn't such a good idea anyway
07:16<danger2>I've been completely sold by Deb 5 but I've got a few niggles - one is I have a new style Apple Keyboard and I can't seem to get it configured right in Deb 5
07:16<cTATUK>Shadowdancer: howso?
07:16<cTATUK>i've done it just fine when i ran ubuntu
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07:17<Shadowdancer>yeah, but nvidia's drivers tend to suck performance-wise
07:17<cTATUK>danger2: "Deb 5" ?
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07:17<buffoon_work>cTATUK, also changing to tty(1-6) and then back to X?
07:17<Shadowdancer>unless you are on new cards >=8800 series, which are so fast that they hide the driver issues.
07:17<cTATUK>buffoon_work: ..always worked for me
07:17<buffoon_work>that always failed with compositing on my Geforce 7600GS
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07:18<cTATUK>right now i have a gefore go 7800 GTX
07:18<danger2>cTATUK erm the new one
07:18<danger2>lenny I think its calle
07:18<cTATUK>no one ever said it will be '5x'
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07:19<cTATUK>actually i didn't run beryl
07:19<cTATUK>->I ran beryl
07:19<danger2>Argh right I got with Linux Magazine and it has Debian 5 written all over the DVD case
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07:19<cTATUK>and i'm pretty sure i also ran it on my geforce fx 5(2|6)00..
07:19<cTATUK>worked just fine
07:19<cTATUK>plus beryl apparently didn't need texture_from_pixmap
07:20<cTATUK>and i had xgl / aiglx properly set up
07:20<cTATUK>plussss... the drivers are directly from nvidia
07:20<cTATUK>how could they be bad?
07:20<cTATUK>you're saying their non-windows code is bad?
07:20<cTATUK>danger2: strange .. never seen the term 'Debian 5'
07:20<cTATUK>either i'm in a lack of enlightenment
07:21<cTATUK>or they're Debian newbs :>
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07:21<cTATUK>danger2: which keyboard?
07:21<Shadowdancer>cTATUK: quite a few nvidia users are actually forced to use xgl to get anything but horrible performance, but xgl isn't really maintained anymore.
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07:22<cTATUK>and i'm pretty sure it doesn't work in etch?
07:22<danger2>It's the metal apple standard USB keyboard the one that ships iMacs at the moment
07:22<cTATUK>no results for xgl with aptitude search other than 'python-wxglade'
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07:22<cTATUK>danger2: get a link to the specs
07:23<cTATUK>or a model number
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07:23<cTATUK>flip it over and copy us the model + make
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07:24<danger2>There's no model number on it, the make is Apple, and its the one of the left hand side of this page
07:25<cTATUK>danger2: do you get throughput at all?
07:26<danger2>it works fine - but some of the buttons aren't mapped (E.g. the eject button) I was wondering if there was an option somewhere that would map all the keys for me
07:26<cTATUK>gonna have to look at xmodmap
07:26<cTATUK>those button aren't 'standard'
07:26<cTATUK>they're Mac-specific
07:26<cTATUK>and you're not running mac
07:26<cTATUK>are you running on a mac? :>
07:27<Shadowdancer>danger2: you can run xev and see if the keys register.. If they do, it's just a matter of assigning names and functionality.
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07:28<Shadowdancer>I wanted to do that for my Dell keyboard sometime
07:28<danger2>Aye I know they aren't standard - but in the keyboard preferences tool in Lenny you have a "keyboard model" drop down where you can select "Apple" so I thought there might be a pre-mapped config thats all. And I'm using a P4D not a mac. Thanks shadowdancer I'll have a look at that now
07:29<danger2>thanks for the xev hint the keys do show up so I'll map them individually, cheers
07:29<danger2>Intel Pentium 4 D
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07:30<danger2>the first gen duo core chips
07:30<cTATUK>i'm pretty sure some macs have intels in them :p
07:30<cTATUK>don't know about pentium or 4 or D
07:30<cTATUK>but still
07:30<Shadowdancer>all Macs now have C2D
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07:31<Shadowdancer>Apple hasn't shipped PowerPC systems for quite some time now
07:31<danger2>Yeah I also have a Macbook with a Core2Duo in it, hence why I have the keyboard.
07:31<Shadowdancer>Macs are pretty much PCs with EFI instead of BIOS
07:31<danger2>TBH I prefer OS X to Debian, so I've kept it on the Macbook, But Debian is much better than XP so I've been using that on my desktop.
07:32<Shadowdancer>the P4D was fun... Didn't that have a thermal output per surface area that was higher than that from nuclear plants?
07:32<danger2>ha ha ha yes it does run hot.
07:32<cTATUK>apparently EFI is by IBM
07:32<cTATUK>so it's like the 'new PC'
07:32<Shadowdancer>pretty much
07:33<danger2>but it was seriously overclockable - mines at 2.6 Ghz running at 3.2 Ghz
07:33<cTATUK>i'm on a pentium M 2.26Ghz :)
07:34<cTATUK>$ cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep bo
07:34<cTATUK>bogomips : 4526.54
07:34<danger2>I use RHEL at work, but I recon - on balance Debian Lenny is better
07:34*Shadowdancer hugs his E8400
07:34<danger2>is that a Core2Quad shadow
07:34<cTATUK>nvm you meant the E8400
07:34<danger2>3GHZ core2
07:35<Shadowdancer>danger2: fun though, even the slowest C2Ds would likely outperform your system in most tasks :-D
07:35<Shadowdancer>Penryn core I think
07:35<danger2>Definitely planning to get some of the new Dell rack workstations
07:35<cTATUK>what do you guys got for `cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep bo`
07:35<Shadowdancer>runs nice and cool
07:35<Shadowdancer>bogomips : 4791.52
07:35<Shadowdancer>bogomips : 4788.13
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07:36<danger2>Dual Xeon's with 8GB of RAM so I'll need the 64Bit version of Debian
07:36<cTATUK>you literally get two bogomips ratings in /proc/cpuinfo ?
07:36<cTATUK>since it's a dual core cpu?
07:36<Shadowdancer>cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep bo|awk '{print $3}'|xargs echo
07:37<weasel>bogomips are called that because they are bogus.
07:37<Shadowdancer>why? for all that matters, it's two CPUs
07:37<cTATUK>weasel: why?
07:37<cTATUK>seem to be pretty accurate from my perspective
07:37<danger2>my bogomips says 5340.13
07:37<weasel>cTATUK: just means you don't know anything
07:37<Shadowdancer>it's just a very loose measure
07:38<cTATUK>weasel: Okay, asshole.
07:38<Shadowdancer>I think you get ~2 bogomips per MHz on most intel CPUs
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07:39<danger2>OOI what other distro's are Debian based - are there any aimed at Maths users
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07:39<Shadowdancer>danger2: I guess any that come with LaTeX, Maxima, Octave, and R? ;-)
07:40<cTATUK>(debian based; don't know about 'math')
07:40<danger2>ha ha they where the first things I installed shadow :)
07:40<danger2>well not Maxima
07:40<danger2>I live in R
07:40<danger2>I see Debian has moved to TexLive
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07:41<henkmetselaar>bogomips 3636.44
07:42<Shadowdancer>TexLive is cool. Probably the only thing that comes with more packages than Gnome.
07:43<henkmetselaar>I have to confess is seriously like MikTeX though
07:43<danger2>Yeah, I just wish TexNicCenter or TexShop was available for Linux because TexMaker sucks
07:44<henkmetselaar>maybe I just need to get used to TeXlive and TeXmaker
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07:44<marcot>Good morning.
07:44<danger2>TBH I've resorted to usng emacs for my Tex work now
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07:45<marcot>I'm having a problem in running Google Earth in Lenny. Version 4.2 runs ok, but version 4.3 gets very slow. I'm using intel 945GM. In Ubuntu, in the same machine, it goes very fast. I tried this version in another machine and it goes fast too.
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07:46<henkmetselaar>danger2: texniccenter is open source ...
07:46<marcot>I also tried to run bzflag with Debian in intel 945GM, and it goes fast. The problem is only with Google Earth on Lenny, on this machine that has intel 945GM.
07:46<danger2>is it possible to build it on a Debian system then?
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07:46<henkmetselaar>in principle, yes
07:47<Shadowdancer>LyX is pretty OK for most things
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07:47<danger2>My supervisor would just lol at me if I started using LyX
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07:48<henkmetselaar>shadowdancer: is LyX better than TeXmaker?
07:49<cTATUK>weasel: Mächtige?
07:49<Shadowdancer>I've found LyX to be a rather good frontend. Makes me think more about what I'm writing than about how to beat LaTeX into submission.
07:49<danger2>LyX is much more a word processor where. TeXMaker is just a glorified text editor.
07:49<henkmetselaar>o wait, LyX is semi-wysiwyg, right?
07:50<danger2>LyX is great for speed - but you loose the control you have in an editor like emacs etc IMO
07:50<danger2>I've not using LyX extensively but when I did I found it hard to do stuff like change the boundaries
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07:51<henkmetselaar>hmm, I better stick to TeXmaker then, though it feels a bit clunky
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07:51<Shadowdancer>if you fiddle with the exact layout, you're kinda missing the point of TeX ;-)
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07:52<henkmetselaar>not if you're doing your fiddling in the preamble ;)
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07:52<danger2>well with default settings the tex files that pdflatex produces dont use anything like the full page
07:52<henkmetselaar>but seriously, I hardly see people spend so much time on formatting issues as TeXers
07:53<henkmetselaar>they're not supposed to danger2
07:53<danger2>common practice at lots of uni's to either use the fullpage package or play with the border settings manually
07:53<henkmetselaar>most uni's mess up proper layout, mine included
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07:53<henkmetselaar>I have to try and talk sense into my colleagues one of these days: single page double spaced is really, really outdated
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07:54<danger2>The RSS have a nice article layout
07:55<henkmetselaar>ooo, finally found it TeXniccenter is in C++ with GNU libraries. How hard would that be to port to debian?
07:55<henkmetselaar>I adore Springer Verlag in Germany for their use of TeX
07:55<Shadowdancer>danger2: if you ever need something that fights with the printer margins, try the IEEE single column layout.
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07:55<Shadowdancer>all good scientific publishers use it
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07:56<henkmetselaar>elsevier, kluwer, yeah
07:56<danger2>I'm not a fan of the IEEE journal's use of Tex the referencing style is ugly IMO
07:56<Shadowdancer>custom BibTeX styles FTW
07:56<henkmetselaar>but Springer places a note on the front page & they seem to use a TeX font so it's really recognizeasble
07:57<danger2>yes shadow I use the one where it puts Cocks and Mohoney (2004)
07:57<Shadowdancer>it's fun when you get something for review, take one look, and mentally rate it down for obviously being a Word paper
07:57<henkmetselaar>how hard would porting a C++/GNU lib open source program the size of Texnic Center be?
07:57<henkmetselaar>Harvard style I think that's called danger2
07:57<danger2>henkmetselaar I just downloaded the source but I have no idea what a chm file is
07:58<danger2>it should be straight forward I'd imagine
07:58<Shadowdancer>helpfile package
07:58<henkmetselaar>neither have I. My last compiling experience is from before C++ I'm afraid
07:58<Shadowdancer>a bundle of HTML and other files
07:58<henkmetselaar>ooo, it's a windows wrapper right?
07:59<Shadowdancer>nah, you can really think of CHM as "website in a box"
07:59<henkmetselaar>oooo, ok
07:59<danger2>I've got Eclipse installed so I might have a mess later, yes the file sourceforge give you is TXCSourceCodeDoc_1Beta6_21.chm
07:59<danger2>I was expecting a zip file full of c++ files
07:59<Shadowdancer>there are CHM readers
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08:00<danger2>not sure what I can "open" it with in Linux
08:00<Shadowdancer>there's a tool called "archmage" to unpack the files :-D
08:01<danger2>just installing that now,
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08:05<henkmetselaar>be sure to let us know if you have any success danger2
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08:05<danger2>will do
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08:07<Shadowdancer>anyway, I've rarely encounterred problems that couln't be solved with a little ERT in LyX. All in all, I prefer it over direct markup hacking.
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08:07<danger2>all to there own Shadow
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08:09<henkmetselaar>I'm with danger2 their ;)
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08:10<Shadowdancer>I've written my thesis in a text editor. Wouldn't want to do something like that again :-D
08:10<henkmetselaar>I wouldn't want to write another thesis :D
08:10<danger2>ha ha you think that's bad I met a girl at another uni whose supervisor made them write their dissertation in wod
08:11<danger2>word rather
08:11<henkmetselaar>Yep, I did that for my industrial training when word was just new and an upcoming replacement for WordPerfect
08:12<danger2>harsh suppose it's fine for an English thesis but for a maths one! lmao it's just torture
08:13<henkmetselaar>Fortunately I was doing chemical engineering at the time
08:13<Shadowdancer>I converted an article from TeX to Word.
08:13<Shadowdancer>almost made me climb a clocktower with a rifle
08:13<Shadowdancer>I seriosly don't know how people can work with word processors.
08:14<henkmetselaar>I have tried that windows equation editor. Contrary to the what the name suggests, I found it nearly impossible to acvtually edit an equation once written. Can't seem to get your cursor at the right place
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08:14<Shadowdancer>yeah, and then you still haven't placed the eq in the document :-D
08:14<danger2>I like the latex-esq equation editor in OO
08:15<Shadowdancer>I have an universal dislike for office applications
08:15<henkmetselaar>At the time I wasn't aware of things like align
08:15<Shadowdancer>OOo is crap. All it tries to do is remain bug compatible with MS Office
08:16<Shadowdancer>especially the drawing capabilities are a bad joke
08:16<henkmetselaar>and when you save and someone opens it in MS it still looks different
08:16<henkmetselaar>I've started handing only pdfs
08:17<henkmetselaar>but the ladies in the office complain that they have so much work typing everything again in word ...
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08:17<Shadowdancer>but well, it's still better than Framemaker where changing the printer farks up all the fonts in the document :-D
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08:18<danger2>you can use pdf2text to strip the text out of PDF's might help the ladies henkmetselaar
08:19<Shadowdancer>danger2: they will hate you for multi-column documents :-D
08:19<henkmetselaar>then I might as well send in plain .txt files
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08:20<henkmetselaar>I have thought of sending them the *.tex
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08:35<henkmetselaar>going out. have a nice weekend all
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09:17<Aleric>debian calls 64bit OS 'amd64', is that debian specific or generally the case for linux dists?
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09:18<EmleyMoor>amd64 and x86_64 are the common names for it - it varies from system to system but in the Linux case, generally yes.
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09:19<Aleric>I downloaded the Intel compiler (icc) and got a lot of confusion by their bad documentation :/
09:19<EmleyMoor>Aleric: Anything in particular?
09:19<EmleyMoor>(it's not the same thing as ia64, btw)
09:20<Aleric>ALL their docs (even for 64bit, which they call 'Intel(R)64' tell you to get the environment right by sourcing something from a 'cc' directory. There also exists a 'cce' directory, but nowhere they tell you what the difference is.
09:20<Aleric>Only after a long time I found out that the 'e' in cce stands for em64t, which is THEIR name for amd64.
09:20<EmleyMoor>Ah, yes
09:21<Aleric>I'm now writing them telling that their docs suck :P. I was wondering if I should tell them that amd64 is only the common name on debian, or on every linux dist.
09:21<EmleyMoor>Read wikipedia on the subject and see what you think
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09:24<maxb>amd64 == x86_86 == em64t == x64
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09:24<maxb>yes, it's a mess :-)
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09:24<maxb>err, I of course meant x86_64 not x86_86
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09:27<themill>Aleric: redhat and others call it x86_64 not amd64. I don't know of anyone other than intel using the em64t name, but then no-one other than intel has an interest in doing so.
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09:29<munga>I've an hw related question: I've to backup 3.7T ... I'm looking for a medium business NAS solution. Do you have any good advices ?
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09:54<Shadowdancer>2.6.26 kernels and above stuffed a lot of architectures into the x86 and x86_64 bins that were separate before
09:54<Shadowdancer>"lots of SDLT"
09:55<Shadowdancer>munga: I'd really look at a DLT changer
09:56<Shadowdancer>or perhaps LTO
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09:58<enouf> "i386 and x86_64: back together"
10:00<Shadowdancer>Linux needs a "cruft" branch
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10:37<TuxCrafter>i forgot the command to see what files are in use on a specific directory, anybody willing to hit me with the command?
10:37<TuxCrafter>themill: thanks
10:38<TuxCrafter>lsof /media/disk/ #empty -> sudo umount /media/disk/ -> umount: /media/disk: device is busy
10:38<TuxCrafter>that is strange
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10:40<themill>TuxCrafter: have you just been copying large amounts of data to it?
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10:41<maxb>lsof has many perplexing options, I usually end up needing to read the manpage whenever I need to use it
10:41<TuxCrafter>themill: nope but i will do a sync
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10:42<TuxCrafter>i do have a annoying bug for years now
10:42<TuxCrafter>with mount
10:42<TuxCrafter>and the stat file
10:43<TuxCrafter>if i manually mount and remove an loop device
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10:43<TuxCrafter>mount always says its still connected
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10:43<TuxCrafter>but it is unmounted
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10:50<TuxCrafter>unclean unmount ...
10:50<TuxCrafter>it happens to much here with both usb disks and ssd disks
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10:51<TuxCrafter>manually fixing the fsck
10:51<TuxCrafter>how the general experience with faulty umounts and corrupt fs?
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11:01<Shadowdancer>I've seen one corrupted FS in the last... many years that wasn't caused by a power failure or system crash
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11:03<TuxCrafter>i am an very heavy user of mobile filesystems (usb disks ..maybe 10) lots of usb sticks and network mounts sshfs and samba
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11:04<TuxCrafter>i am very precise with unmount and sync and fsck, trying to prevent corruption
11:04<TuxCrafter>but it still happens from time to time
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11:04<TuxCrafter>with ext2 and ext3
11:05<TuxCrafter>but no problems on the server side
11:05<TuxCrafter>because they never go down due to ups, smartmon tools, and raid setups
11:05<TuxCrafter>but on client side its an other story :-p
11:06<TuxCrafter>people trying hibernation or sleep with faulty acpi tables, causing systems to hang during shutdown or boot
11:07<TuxCrafter>or people trying games on the wrong resolution and dont now how to get out of the program
11:07<TuxCrafter>they all just turn of the power of the client computer
11:07<TuxCrafter>and boot it back up
11:07<TuxCrafter>with often corrupted filesystems
11:08<TuxCrafter>anybody that also have lot of experience with that?
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11:28<Zathras>what is the best way/place to add environment vars so that daemons can have access to them please?
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11:29<Zathras>/etc/profile , /etc/environment, ... ?
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11:30<Cabral>Sou novo aqui...
11:30<Zathras>please use English
11:30<KnuckOne>profile is bad... if a daemon start with /bin/false it won't work
11:30<KnuckOne>should be environment
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11:31<KnuckOne>hi =)
11:31<Cabral>I'm brazilian guy...
11:32<Cabral>I'm new here..
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11:34<phillipsjk>enouf, I found something related to small power supplies in OEM systems (offtopic)
11:34<Cabral>Tem algum brasileiru aki??
11:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:35<TuxCrafter>he wat :-D
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11:37<Zathras>KnuckOne, any idea how to define an array in that? I used: Months="Jan|Feb|Mar|Aprl|...." but echo ${Month[3]} did give me an empty reply
11:37<Zathras>although the env var is there
11:37<enouf>phillipsjk: ?
11:37<Cabral>Anybody here is?
11:37<Zathras>Cabral, welkom
11:37<enouf>phillipsjk: ofcourse OEMs give out cheap-assed crap
11:38<phillipsjk>enouf on #debian-offtopic you said you found a P4 with a 160W PSU
11:38<Cabral>Thanks Zathras
11:38<Cabral>Anybody here is brazilian?
11:39*phillipsjk found an AMD endorsement for such crap
11:39<enouf>phillipsjk: yes, i did, and it's not the 1st
11:40<phillipsjk>"Because of the tight control OEM's can maintain over the configuration and power consumption of their products, AMD OEM customers can use power supplies that are not usually recommended by AMD for use with a particular processor. "
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11:41<TuxCrafter>themill: thanks for the head up with the lsof command
11:41<TuxCrafter>i got to go now
11:41<TuxCrafter>bye everygody
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11:41<KnuckOne>Zathras, array are declared like this
11:41<KnuckOne>array=(this is an an array)
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11:43*KnuckOne needs coffee ;)
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11:46<Zathras>KnuckOne, if I define an array like that it sees the entire line as a single element
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12:00<yster>hey there, I've been maintaining a custom Apache package for awhile but it seems my cflags aren't properly applying themselves to the package when they build. namely, FD_SETSIZE needs to be increased
12:01<yster>I have the cflags in the right place in debian/rules and post build the config.status for Apache shows that ./configure was invoked with the right arguments inside CFLAGS, but when I skip to the end of the story it's not working on a production system I have that requires a higher FD limit. any thoughts?
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12:02<Zathras>array( item1 item2 item3) works fine when one manually applies it with export, but in /etc/environment it exports itself as a string rather then an array
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12:05<KnuckOne>yes i just tested it, i wonder in fact if /etc/envirnment can support arrays
12:06<Zathras>wierd stuff
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12:06<Zathras>I want to set the day and month names as environment arrays
12:06<dpkg>nv is, like, the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX., Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>.
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12:07<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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12:08<iandeb>hi. I have just upgraded to KDE 4.1.1 but now the system settings module does not want to show the File associations item, claiming that the shared library kcm_filestypes was not found. Any suggestions?
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12:08<rjent_>Greetings, I am running 2.6.26-1-686 on sid and attempting to use vmwareServer to edit a VM, when I try to start the VM I get: Unable to change virtual machine power state: The process exited with an error:
12:08<rjent_>End of error message. Any ideas?
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12:08<jackyf>iandeb: file the bugreport?
12:09<iandeb>jackyf, you mean its a bug rather than a missing deb?
12:10<Zathras>KnuckOne, I just learned in the Bash channel that array's are not (yet) supported in /etc/environment
12:10<jackyf>if some deb is missing, it's bug because it should be installed as a dependency of systemsetting of similar
12:10<KnuckOne>zh so it's offi. thanks for the info.
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12:12<Zathras>Now I have to find out how to do it another way...
12:12<Zathras>I would like to do it without tampering with init.d scripts provided by packages etc.
12:13<KnuckOne>you can still make your own init.d script
12:14<boobz>i've just upgraded to lenny and after a reboot my screen is flikering and the monitor's screen says "out of range". i've tried to uninstall and reinstall xorg but didn't help. no i'm lost, can you help me ?
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12:15<fxiny>did you edit xorg.conf ?
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12:15<yster>got it
12:15<yster>manually edit /usr/include headers
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12:15<boobz>no, since same materiel. but after i deleted it and created a new one with 'Xorg -configure'
12:15<Aleric>boobz: put your old xorg.conf back
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12:16<fxiny>or use gtf
12:16<fxiny>gtf say you want $gtf 1600 1200 75
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12:16<boobz>aleric : .. it's lost for ever ...
12:17<fxiny>run it and add the modeline
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12:18<fxiny>boobz: a new one ? should be almost empty . check it
12:18<fxiny>and read xorg.log
12:18<fxiny> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:19<boobz>i did all that but i'm no specialist
12:19<fxiny>boobz: you want 1024x768 at 75 ?
12:19<boobz>but yes
12:19<fxiny>let's do it
12:20<boobz>great ! thanks
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12:20<fxiny>run gtf 1024x768 75
12:20<boobz>wait i have to install it first
12:20<enouf>it's in -core
12:20<fxiny>is already installed
12:20<fxiny>enouf: hey :)
12:20<enouf>fxiny: ;-)
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12:22<boobz>ok done, but it's gtf 1024 768 75
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12:23<foxes>how can i split and zip a DVD.iso bigger than 4GB?
12:23<boobz>should i start from a fresh xorg.conf ?
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12:23<fxiny>seen the modeline ? check this one : . but carefull is for 85
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12:25<boobz>wait i have no mouse ;)
12:25<KnuckOne>foxes, zip itself do it, just read the manpage :)
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12:26<fxiny>boobz: i bet is detected , read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:27<fxiny>boobz: next play with xrandr , and enjoy ;)
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12:28<boobz>ok i replaced 85 by 75 but the rest of the line, i putit without modification ?
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12:29<fxiny>boobz: use your own gtf output
12:29<fxiny>boobz: i'm not running lenny atm , i'm reading my notes and some conf
12:30<fxiny>boobz: the game is gtf and xrandr , pretty nice game
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12:31<boobz>fxiny : wait wait :)
12:31<boobz>ok i'll try to startx
12:31<yster>package maintainer question again: when preinst is running, does it have access to the files that are to be placed into the filesystem? if so, where can I access these? I have a script that search/replaces stuff based upon /etc/hostname to personalize the configs
12:32<yster>I'd prefer to do that before dpkg puts the files in place if at all possible
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12:32<jackyf>yster: to what files, for example?
12:33<jackyf>it have access to all filesystem
12:33<jackyf>with root rights
12:33<yster>jackyf: I want preinst to be able to edit a config file that is "to be installed" in its own package
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12:34<jackyf>yster: this is a work for postinst, not?
12:34<jackyf>yster: btw, fyi: #debian-mentors exists for maintainers' questions
12:35<yster>oh, great, sorry about that
12:35<fxiny>boobz: you must write "1024x768_75.00" instead of "1024x768_85.00" in both monitor and screen sections
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12:35<fxiny>boobz: and your modeline
12:36<yster>jackyf: anyway to stay with you, that's how it works currently but for any future upgrades, dpkg barks that the conffile is different than the one to be installed because the new config has the "before postinst search and replaces __HOSTNAME__ with whatever's in /etc/hostname" phase of installation
12:36<yster>jackyf: I know some packages do something like this, I'm just not sure how :)
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12:38<jackyf>yster: hm, I'm not acknowledged with this feature
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12:38<boobz>back ... xorg.0.log says "no screen found". i made an init 1 before
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12:40<fxiny>boobz: what happen if you startx ? again out of range ?
12:40<boobz>just login:
12:40<boobz>no X
12:40<fxiny>running fluxbox ?
12:40<boobz>no kde
12:41<fxiny>kde ? no kdm ? exec start kde ?
12:41<boobz>kdm is running
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12:42<fxiny>anything in ~/.xsession ?
12:42<boobz>in my home ?
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12:43<fxiny>you sure your screen can run that resoilution ? at 24 ?
12:43<boobz>i thnk i'll delete xorg.conf, reboot, and put the modeline line back and then restart. maybe i've done something i shouldn't have without knowing it
12:43<boobz>waht do you think about that ?
12:44<fxiny>boobz: no ned to delete it . reconfigure will do it for you
12:44<boobz>sure, it has done that for the last 5 years or so
12:44<fxiny>5 years ?
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12:44<newsense>im trying to connect to a lenny box on my lan from another lenny box using xdmcp and ive followed the factoid but when i try to connect i get a black screen with "x" cursor, any ideas ?
12:44<fxiny>dobn't think so
12:44<yeti152>anyone know about madwifi changes in the repos? madwifi-tools is apparently not there... i have main contrib non-free in my sourcelist
12:44<fxiny>boobz: this is new
12:44<boobz>24 is new ?
12:44<RaelRode>hey guys, I'm having some trouble with apache2...
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12:45<boobz>hansol 550 is the monitor
12:45<fxiny>boobz: oh i mean reconfiguring xorg has changed from etch
12:46<boobz>yes, i figured that, xorg.conf almost empty
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12:46<fxiny>boobz: so do as Aleric suggested . use etch xorg and see if your monitor is detected then do it lenny way
12:46<boobz>i ... deleted it
12:47<fxiny>boobz: can you paste your new xorg.conf ?
12:47<boobz>and when i wanted to see ubuntu's xorg, it was allmost empty ..
12:47<yeti152>madwifi help anyone?
12:47<boobz>i have no mouse, how cani do that ?
12:47<fxiny>boobz: you mean a mouse stanza ?
12:47<boobz>what's that ?
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12:48<fxiny>Section "InputDevice"
12:48<fxiny>that "stanza"
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12:49<boobz>ok, thanks. yes i have one for mouse
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12:49<fxiny>a custom one ?
12:49<boobz>all i have added is KbdVariant fr
12:50<boobz>and the modeline line
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12:50<fxiny>can you paste your screen and monitor sections so i can check it ?
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12:51<fxiny>could be a typo
12:53<boobz>Monitor : Identifier, Modeline, Option
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12:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:53<fxiny>boobz: ^^^^
12:54<boobz>screen : Identifier, Monitor
12:54<boobz>that's all
12:54<danih>hey guys, is there an easy way to change the system language once you've finished the installation?
12:54<boobz>i'm sorry i'm new to this irc thing
12:55<fxiny>boobz: edit it like mine , but use your gtf output cause mine is for 85
12:55<fxiny>boobz: it will work
12:55<boobz>i've done exactly that
12:56<boobz>but i see that there is no "defaultlayout" or something, is it normal ?
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12:58<fxiny>boobz: no , browse to , tyoe your nickname and paste your xorg.conf. then send and paste here only the url
12:58<boobz>i don't know how to paste without a mouse
12:59<fxiny>oh f* , you right
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12:59<fxiny>i'm watching a movie :)
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13:00<cahoot>boobz: try /msg dpkg nopaste
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13:01<boobz>done, but nothing ..
13:01<boobz>can i paste something in w3m from vim ?
13:01<cahoot>not registered nick?
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13:01<dpkg>Remember you can not paste here, use and/or ask me !paste, or if you are stuck in console with no mouse, you can install nopaste: wget && chmod 700 nopaste-1992 && command | nopaste, ruby is required, or the homepage for nopaste is
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13:07<danih>hey guys, is there an easy way to change the system language once you've finished the installation?
13:07<cahoot>danih: try dpkg-reconfigure locales
13:07<danih>thx, i'll try that
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13:08<cahoot>boobz: looks like you've missed a "
13:08<fxiny>boobz: yes ! you forgot the scren section
13:09<fxiny>check again mine
13:09<danih>cahoot, im afraid that i have to reinstall each package to let them use the new language, so if i change the locales now i'll get a mixed language system
13:09<danih>with all the newly installed packages in the new lang
13:10<cahoot>danih: doesn't seem likely
13:10<boobz>what should I put there ?
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13:10<boobz>fxiny: i forgot your url
13:10<fxiny>boobz: as cahoot said >>> 1024x768_75.00"
13:11<cahoot>and on the line above
13:12<fxiny>modeline is fine
13:12<fxiny>Modeline "1024x768_85.00" ....
13:12<boobz>gosh i'm stupid, i didn't even had a look at that section
13:14<boobz>Aleric: thanks
13:15<boobz>ok ive modified the screen sectin. let's see what startx will do.
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13:20<plm156>is there a flavor of debian with 2.4 kernel or a deb package ?
13:20<boobz>It WORKS ! Thanks to every one of you who helped me.
13:21<boobz>now the question is 'why did i have to do that ?'
13:21<Aleric>plm156: Why would you want that?
13:21<fxiny>boobz: wait : learn how to switch resolutiuon on the fly : man xrandr
13:21<plm156>Aleric, i have a dxr2 and only works with 2.4
13:21<Aleric>plm156: That is an old computer, right?
13:22<fxiny>the game's not over yet :P
13:22<boobz>don't worry, i'll stay here, i've learnt so much!
13:22<danih>cahoot, i changed it for root and it worked but how can i change it for my user acc, i can't reach dpkg-reconfigure?
13:22<plm156>Aleric, is an mpeg decoder, the computer is a pentium II 400mhz / 300mb ram
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13:22<Aleric>boobz: Feel like looking at my xorg.conf?
13:23<boobz>ok i'll swith to X and come back here right after. thanks again
13:23<Aleric>do that
13:23<boobz>Aleric : yes, but later, ok ?
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13:26<boobz>i'm back ;-)
13:28<boobz>running just fine. so what with xrand ?
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13:29<boobz>Aleric : that's one xorg.conf!
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13:29<Aleric>boobz: The result of months of research ;)
13:30<boobz>i guess so !
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13:30<boobz>and you're 100% happy with it ?
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13:33<stupidnic>Can anybody tell me if Debian etch supports the Areca 1210 raid card? Or more specifically if the kernel includes the 1.2.0 Areca driver that supports the card?
13:33<Aleric>Yes, I used to have two 17" CRT monitors. Then I bought one 20" TFT and had problems with my video card (the monitor staying blank etc). In the end was a problem with the EDID not being read correctly. While experimenting I had to write an xorg.conf that was as surveyable as possible and I found out that you can move Option's from the Device section to the Monitor section :) That makes certain things a lot more clear. I also wanted to have everything
13:33<Aleric>only once in there, but still have the option to easily try out other configurations.
13:35<Aleric>boobz: So, it used to be a lot more complex with single and dual head setup ups for a combination of several monitors and video cards and drivers. This is what remained now I threw away my old monitors and only use two 20" TFT's with a better video card (with two TFT outputs). I DID get the old card to work though: you can specify a file with the EDID in it and force it to use that instead of reading stuff from the monitor :).
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13:37<enouf>plm156: er, i'm using a 2.6.26 on my pentium 2 350 / 512RAM (was 392 not more than a few days ago)
13:37<boobz>well, ..., ok. i once tried putting two monitors side by side to have one big screen, but that's where i stopped do experiences with X
13:37<enouf>plm156: as far as mpeg decoders, mplayer/mencoder isn't good enough
13:38<Aleric>boobz: Getting X to work usually takes like two weeks of work in my experience: it is never easy. But, since it's open source, it is always possible.
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13:38<boobz>just for my knowledge, why did i have to had manually those lines to xorg.conf ?
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13:39<enouf>or was it 384
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13:39<EmleyMoor>Any word on new zaptel-source for lenny? Have the voip team discussed getting it in yet?
13:39<Aleric>I didn't pay much attention I'm afraid. I suppose that the default auto-detection script of debian failed... dunno why.
13:40<EmleyMoor>(current version unbuildable against current kernel)
13:40*Aleric is trying to find out how to EXCLUDE input files in doxygen now... there is an EXCLUDE keyword, but it doesn't work :/
13:40<boobz>so this can be considered a bug ?
13:41<fxiny>is not a bug
13:41<Aleric>fxiny: shouldn't like any monitor work out of the box?
13:41<boobz>what is it then ?
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13:41<boobz>well this one did with debian sarge, etch, ubuntu 8
13:42<plm156>enouf, the dxr2 only supports 2.4 kernels, its a decoder i want to use for tv output
13:42<boobz>i mean the lines missing are not mandatory in order that X works ?
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13:42<fxiny>Aleric: some monitors are not detected
13:42<ifa>what ?
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13:43<plm156>Aleric, you dont have any link for a 2.4 based debian install ?
13:43<enouf>plm156: sarge offered a 2.4.27 / 2.6.8
13:43<fxiny>boobz: i have a cheap monitor , always configured manually . etch defaults it at 1024x768 . lenny at 1152x864
13:44<Aleric>boobz: Newer monitors can be 'read-out' by the computer. They even tell the PC what mode lines they need. I suppose that if you have an old monitor that says nothing back, then you need to add modelines and the computer has no way to guess any without your help.
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13:44<Aleric>danih: liar
13:44<enouf>EDID sucks ass many times ;-)
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13:44<danih>just change my language settings so had to restart ;)
13:44<fxiny>boobz: i was talking yesterday or the day before with enouf about lenny not checking a custom xorg.conf
13:44<fxiny>enouf: :)
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13:45<plm156>enouf, the debian-installer only provides 2.6 kernels even on etch/stable , do i have to use complete iso and not businesscard ?
13:45<boobz>Aleric: ok i understand
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13:45<danih>if i leave now it'll say "Leaving" :p
13:45<Aleric>Oh, heheh
13:46<fxiny>which can end in a out of range issue or somethinb more weird . dunno
13:46<enouf>plm156: i told you, sarge was the last one - etch is incompatible with 2.4 (i guess ABI versions)
13:46<danih>so glad that i switched to debian today
13:46<fxiny>boobz: but i like this way of configuring x in lenny
13:46<boobz>so the guys at ubuntu did think about that problem and not those of debian ?
13:47<fxiny>first time i was unhappy . then i started understanding it
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13:47<enouf>fxiny: yep ;-) .. and, as you can see 2.6.26-1 works fine on the Deschutes \o/
13:47<fxiny>i don't care about ubuntu . i am a debian user
13:47<Aleric>boobz: The debian folks try to keep the stupid users away ;) :p
13:48<boobz>question: what is a stupid user?
13:48<fxiny>enouf: i believe you " no time to install it on my beleoved deschutes ;)
13:48<Aleric>boobz: Ex windows users
13:48<boobz>come on!
13:48<danih>Aleric: aren't we all?
13:48<Aleric>Not me :)
13:48<boobz>me neither, sure!
13:48<danih>i used windows 3.11 at school when i was 6 :(
13:49<newsense>my first computer experience was redhat
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13:49<danih>does that count
13:49<Aleric>danih: That is Force
13:49<fxiny>so. as a debian user i am to blame for always running stable . i'm moving to lenny now and i did my reading about xorg , gtf , xrandr
13:49<fxiny>what can i say more ? i like it
13:49<boobz>i understand...;)
13:50<plm156>enouf, sarge is oldstable ?
13:50<Aleric>My first computer, not counting the programmable calculators of my uncle was a TRS-80 that I coded on in the show room of a shop (nice seller, he liked kids).
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13:50<Aleric>Then my father bought a 'DAI', had a 8080 cpu at 2 MHz and 48 kilobyte of RAM.
13:51<danih>quick as lightning
13:51<fxiny>enouf: you spiced the PII up to 512 ! i am still behind :(
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13:51<enouf>plm156: you catch on quick :-P
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13:51<danih>well just 1 day ago i had a dual boot with ubuntu/windows
13:51<enouf>fxiny: found some hardware in the trash ;-0
13:52<fxiny>enouf: :)
13:52<fxiny>enouf: wait ;)
13:52<Aleric>Then I bought my first PC (much much later): a 286 and had msdos on that for a while :/ ... next I installed linux (kernel 0.99.something) on that.
13:52<Adam_L>Hi! I need a newer version than the one in apt-get, I've done apt-get update but still just getting 6.2.4 upon install. I tried doing an alien - didn't work. How do I fix this? Cheers
13:52<enouf>fxiny: atleast now i can confirm that 256MB DIMMs do indeed work in this old mobo ;-)
13:52<fxiny>Nemoder: hey ? done the toothpick hack ?
13:52<fxiny>enouf: ^^^^
13:52<fxiny>enouf: heheheheh
13:52<enouf>fxiny: and it was pulled from a p4 system O_o
13:53<Nemoder>hi :) no, I haven't been over to the other building lately
13:53<fxiny>Nemoder: heheheh
13:53<boobz>ok, guys, thanks for your help, and it was very nice meeting you. bye
13:53<danih>today i spend 4 hours trying to solve kernel panics in gentoo before thinking "f*ck compiling each program" and switching to etch
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13:53<fxiny>enouf: my psu fan is so silent with a toohpick up the ... ;)
13:53<enouf>fxiny: ~2001 was when then p4 switched away from RD-RAM, went back to slow-assed pc133 :-P .
13:53<Aleric>boobz: I thought you were going to stay?
13:54<enouf>fxiny: and then onto DDR
13:54<enouf>fxiny: haha
13:54<boobz>well, i've solved my problem and i want to have a long and hot shower
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13:54<enouf>boobz: can we come?
13:54<boobz>so, i'll leave you alone now
13:55*Aleric gives boobz a webam
13:55<boobz>well, tomorrow
13:55<fxiny>enouf: i do rememnber the conv we had about low-density ram :)
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13:55<enouf>fxiny: bingo
13:55<fxiny>enouf: you wizrd !
13:55<enouf>fxiny: this DIMM is dual-sided - i was worried at first ;-)
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13:57<plm156>enouf, i found the release page, thanks for the help
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13:57<enouf>fxiny: if i'm such a wizard, how come i cannot for the life of me figure out why most pressed DVD movies will not even be recognized by my nice DVD-RW Drive :-(
13:58<enouf>fxiny: i've been at this for days now .. i need naps ...
13:58<fxiny>enouf: you worried ? this week my psion died and a telly ended in a bang : no luck !
13:58<fxiny>enouf: dvd ?
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13:58<enouf>plm156: np
13:59<enouf>fxiny: i've been tempted to boot into win98, throw in other drives, etc ...
13:59<enouf>fxiny: pray for me my friend ;-)
13:59<fxiny>enouf: dirty lens ?
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14:00<enouf>fxiny: brand new drive, hardly used - but i guess i should look into that
14:01<enouf>fxiny: ya know - i'm gonna do that ..... like now .. - gotta shutdown for a bit, so i can take the POS apart and look/clean it ;-)
14:02<fxiny>enouf: remember : lens are like google eula , handle with care :P
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14:07<enouf>fxiny: hah
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14:07<qq->fxiny: toothpick , from where , not in sid ;-(
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14:11<fxiny>qq-: on a half-dead psu fan like mine , a tootpick is needed to press the fan center . works (silently) like that since april ;)
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14:12<fxiny>i save a full 5 euro note !
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14:13<qq->oh , so it's a hardware ...
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14:13<fxiny>qq-: yes
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14:14<fxiny>qq-: i have a feeling you'll buy a box for your "array"
14:15<qq->i don't think so ... all ok here
14:16<qq->at least for moment
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14:18<rjent_>Greetings, I have sid with latest kernel and I can not get any vmware machines to power on. I would be grateful for help on the matter. My lenny notebook works fine but not enough ram so need to get my sid setup running.
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14:19<rjent_>Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-4)
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14:19<qq->fxiny: and as "array" is powered off almost all the time, sadly
14:20<plm156>when a kernel panic exists and caps and scroll lock blink at a steady ready (both) what is the kernel try to say ?
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14:20<plm156>steady rate
14:20<fxiny>qq-: oh : how many deschutes , 10 ?
14:20<qq->rjent_: i run virtualbox on 2.6.26-4 w/o problems
14:21<simonrvn>"omgwtf happened!?" write down the info and reset the box.
14:21<qq->fxiny: no , only few, 2 max
14:21<plm156>simonrvn, no info , iceweasel just hanged on a heavy site
14:21<rjent_>qq-: I do not know of virtualbox, will it let me run my vmware images?
14:22<simonrvn>you can always cut&paste the oops message (it says "==cut here==") and send it to lkml and/or debian's BTS
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14:22<qq->rjent_: i thought , but i do not know vmware images
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14:23<qq->any cases all .iso run ok
14:23<plm156>simonrvn, but after reset where i will find the oops message, it will be useful i think because another on the net reporting the same blinks also has the saa7134 (tv capture) on his c
14:24<rjent_>qq-: I have a setup based on the vmplayer and so I have to use vmware images, but I have a case where I need 1.5mb ram on the system tunning and I only have one unit like that.
14:24<rjent_>qq-: is there a channel for virtualbox?
14:24<qq->i duuno , but sure
14:25<simonrvn>syslog, messages
14:25<simonrvn>(i.e., the usual suspects)
14:25<plm156>simonrvn, ok
14:26<qq->rjent_: i runned virtualbox on 194 MB total guest machine...
14:27<qq->and @450 MHz
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14:27<qq->and sid
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14:30<qrl>i have problems connecting a LCD screen to my VGA-output
14:30<variable>i don't understen i have 2.6.18-6-686 kernel and i still can't hear two sound at a time
14:31<variable>i hate this situation
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14:31<qrl>I use ATI catalyst control center on my VAIO laptop
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14:32<qrl>Catalyst finds my LCD-tv, but the tv don`t receive any signals
14:32<fxiny>hate is the black hole of freedom
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14:33<qq->variable: just install the new 2.6.24 etch kernel , i hated linux until i understand i was so stupid
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14:34<qrl>what is ubuntuns Fn+F7 botton? (switch between screens)
14:35<fxiny>can't run a 2.6.24 on etch . xmms2 don't like it
14:35<qq->qrl: are you on ubuntu ?
14:35<variable>how can i install it if the lates update for me was 2.6.18-6-686.
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14:35<qrl>qq: yes
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14:35<muzy>i've a question. where i can get the debian netinstall sources ?
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14:37<muzy>i've searched the internet and ftp's but i couldn't find anything
14:37<fxiny>variable: it's called linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1 , is 686 ok for you ?
14:37<fxiny>should be
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14:39<muzy>anyone an idea ?
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14:40<variable>fxiny, thanks, now i'll try to check it
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14:42<qq->!tell qrl about ubuntu
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14:44<variable>did enybody had same problem with alsa?
14:44<muzy>qq-, thanks, but these aren't the sources
14:44<qq->muzy: ask on #debian-installer
14:44<rajeshsr>Can anyone help me in tracing ou what this error is:
14:44<muzy>qq-, thanks a lot
14:45<rajeshsr> ** bcc (variable BCC) not found!
14:45<rajeshsr>What is bcc
14:45<rajeshsr>I ran ./configure to install virtial box
14:45<rajeshsr>and is showing this error
14:46<bugaloo>rajeshsr, what are you trying to install?
14:47<rajeshsr>any idea?
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14:49<qq->aptitude install virtualbox*
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14:49<rajeshsr>hmm, I wanna try that from source code..
14:49<rjent_>will virtualbox play my vmware images?
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14:49<qq->just get a try !
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14:51<rajeshsr>rjent_, Isn't virtual box like vmware?
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14:55<rjent_>rajeshsr: yes
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15:00<variable>wtf? i just updated to therd kernel version and still no working sound with two players
15:01<variable>what could it be?
15:01<qq->paste the error
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15:02<variable>there is no error
15:02<qq->so no error
15:02<Aleric>There is no spoon
15:02<variable>i can hear just from one player sound
15:02<bugaloo>variable, I had a similar problem with Fedora some time ago... there was an alsa configuration to make two players work
15:02<variable>i can run as much as i want but still one player sound will be
15:02<clint1986>variable: which sound card?
15:03<variable>bugaloo, yes
15:03<variable>same to me
15:03<clint1986>two at the same time?
15:03<clint1986>or two don't work?
15:03<variable>i run two players
15:03<variable>bu just won have sound
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15:04<clint1986>have you tried a sound server?
15:04<clint1986>are the players configured to use the server?
15:04<taianacosta>pápa jogos de supe mario
15:04<variable>what server?
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15:05<bugaloo>variable, esd or alsa
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15:05<clint1986>can sometimes be arts for kde
15:05<clint1986>although you're not strictly limited to any of them
15:05<bugaloo>variable, are you using kde or gnome?
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15:06<clint1986>variable: you might need esd plugins for the players
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15:06<clint1986>variable: to output to esd
15:06<rajeshsr>I tried installing using .deb package
15:07<rajeshsr>It gave this error:
15:07<rajeshsr> 1 Makefile:139: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux ke rnel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop.
15:07<rajeshsr>what am I to do?
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15:08<variable>clint1986, help me how to do it
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15:12<qq->rajeshsr: have to install kernel(linux)-headers according to your kernel
15:13<qq->your current*
15:13<rajeshsr>is that available in DVD?
15:13<qq->i think yes
15:14<qq->uname -r , does what ?
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15:16<variable>same was for me
15:16<bugaloo>headers should be in dvd, rajeshsr
15:16<rajeshsr>qq, that the o/p I get
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15:16<rajeshsr>bugaloo, I already have the linux-headers package.
15:16<rajeshsr>I ran synaptic now, I checked it
15:16<qq->ok, still i don't undestand why not installing virtualbox ...
15:17<bugaloo>rajeshsr, do you have the /usr/src directories?
15:17<bugaloo>well... should be working, hehe... try KERN_DIR=/usr/src/directory ./configure
15:18<bugaloo>It should be automatic, but well... you can try
15:18<rajeshsr>hmm, now am installing using dpkg, .dep package!
15:19<bugaloo>even better
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15:21<rajeshsr>bugaloo, I think I have kernel source code at /usr/src
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15:21<rajeshsr>is that what it is asking?
15:22<bugaloo>I missed understand
15:23<bugaloo>you got that error even with .deb package
15:23<bugaloo>oh.. how did you fix it? :)
15:23<bugaloo>.deb worked out?
15:23<rajeshsr>I installed the linux-header with the version that I got with uname -r!
15:23<rajeshsr>But I already had a package called linux-header selected
15:24<rajeshsr>But that dint have any version number with it!
15:24<bugaloo>ah ok
15:24<rajeshsr>won't a plain package mean the one that is needed for the current kernel?
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15:25<bugaloo>well... it doesn't works always, hehe
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15:28<rajeshsr>actually what are those headers for?
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15:31<variable>a! still the same with that sound ;/
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15:33<mo>please help, i get this error while trying to install fltk;
15:33<mo>make install
15:33<mo>/usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/fltk-config': Permission denied
15:33<mo>make: *** [install] Error 1
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15:33<qq->mo: run command as root user
15:34<mo>u mean, sudo make install????
15:34<mo>k. thanx. i will try it right away
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15:35<qq->or enter "su" before
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15:37*egns ha vuelto/is back
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15:40<variable>i have no idea what to do about that sound help me please
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15:41<qq->variable: buy a new sound card for 10 $
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15:42<variable>sound card is good
15:42<variable>it is integrated
15:42<variable>motherboard is gigabit or somthing
15:42<variable>and about 2 years old
15:42<qq->waste less your time , and less spam on channel
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15:48<variable>how to make the 'paste' on nano?
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15:49<qq->use mouse
15:50<qq->with middle button ....
15:50<qq->what a f* man !
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16:04<rajeshsr>Just wanna ask a general opinion. What IRC client u use or consider the best?
16:04<mo>xChat is the best
16:05<rajeshsr>mo, cool, am using xChat only!
16:05<rajeshsr>mo, anyway thats the default IRC client of debian! I haven't tried any other..
16:06<mo>rajeshsr, u r right on track.
16:06<rajeshsr>thats the reason wanna know what the general opinion is!
16:06<Nemoder>irssi is good for terminal use, but in X I prefer Xchat
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16:09<danih>are the lot of you guys running etch/lenny/sid?
16:09<bugaloo>i'm using lenny/sid
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16:10<bugaloo>trying to use, actually, hehe
16:10<danih>im updating to lenny atm
16:10<bugaloo>yes... I installed etch, then I updated
16:10<bugaloo>but it's an adventure
16:11<Xavi>Forza Depor, oe!!!
16:11<danih>hehe, i just installed etch aswell
16:12<Xavi>is there any need to stop MySQL to run mysqldump
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16:13<danih>bugaloo, do you just edit sources.list whenever you want a sid-package installed and then comment the sid repositories out again?
16:13<bugaloo>yes... I included some "testing" repos
16:13<bugaloo>but still having some dependencies problems
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16:14<bugaloo>I used to have Fedora on my laptop, so I'm a Yum user... still getting familiar with apt-get
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16:15<danih>ive had lots of distro's along with windows on a dualboot
16:15<danih>yesterday i started a gentoo install, it erased my whole /dev/sda and gave me nothing but kernel panics
16:15<danih>so i installed debian again, i had good memories of this distro
16:15<bugaloo>hm... I don't have windows anymore... just for games, sometimes
16:16<bugaloo>holy shit, hehehe
16:16<danih>hopefully apt-get -f install works ^_^
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16:17<bugaloo>yes... I'm downloading right now ;)
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16:17<danih>just finished 850 for dist-upgrade but it stopped halfway for dependency probs
16:17<bugaloo>hope you have a better connection band than me, hehe
16:18<bugaloo>the first upgrade I tried, my gnome stopped work
16:18<danih>850 took me 40 mins
16:18<bugaloo>well... I'm downloading at... ahn... 35k/s :(
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16:19<bugaloo>it is not a happy thing to do
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16:20<danih>so how did you solve it?
16:21<bugaloo>I removed the main etch repos, and upgraded again only with lenny / testing repos
16:22<bugaloo>I just finished the apt-get and it seems to be working fine
16:22<danih>yeah i replaced everything with lenny aswell
16:22<bugaloo>also it upgraded my iceweasel and some things I was trying to do manually
16:22<danih>so i hope it'll work straight away
16:22<danih>35k/s is no happy thing to do indeed :D
16:23<bugaloo>I'm trying to upgrade my video card driver... to make google earth works fine faster :D
16:23<bugaloo>but not very lucky yet
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16:25<deco>do you know how to install thunderbird?
16:25<themill_>aptitude install icedove
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16:26<bugaloo>I don't understand why these packages changed names on debian
16:26<bugaloo>why not firefox and thunderbird?
16:26<bugaloo>I wonder there is a good explanation
16:26<themill>bugaloo: mozilla corp wouldn't let debian
16:26<themill>!why iceweasel
16:26<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
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16:27<bugaloo>I didn't expect something like that from mozilla guys
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16:30<variable>hmm could it be some buc of alsa? I even did some changes in /asound.conf and still same problem with on stream ;/
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16:31<danih>i love the apt-get system though
16:31<danih>that's why i chose debian again :p
16:32<bugaloo>variable, as I said before... I already fixed it some time ago... but I can't remeber how I did it
16:32<bugaloo>should search on google for something like "simultaneous sound +alsa" or gnome
16:33<variable>i'm looking for it
16:33<bugaloo>there are some optinos on alsa conf files
16:33<bugaloo>let me see if my debian can play two sounds
16:34<danih>yay, i can reach internet again
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16:35<bugaloo>yes... it works fine on my box
16:36<rajeshsr>dpkg, Is that all for logo? So Iceweasel was realeased because, firefox logo is unmodifiable?
16:36<dpkg>rajeshsr: You are moron #11
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16:36<danih>+ weasels are cooler than foxes
16:36<danih>and ice is cooler than fire ;)
16:37<franklin>Hi, I need to list "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages"... without using aptitude. any clue ?
16:38<bugaloo>danih, that is a point, hehe
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16:38<bugaloo>variable, sorry.. I can't even find what sound server i'm using, lol
16:38<bugaloo>there is no esd proccess... nor alsa...
16:38<bugaloo>nor pulseaudio
16:38<bugaloo>I just don't know
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16:39<danih>ok, rebooting, wish me luck
16:39<danih>hopefully i'll brb =)
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16:41<danih>that was pretty quick and convenient :)
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16:45<danih>i expected at least a few kernel panics before i could boot
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16:48<bugaloo>maybe if that was a microsoft system
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16:48<bugaloo>ha ha
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16:48<danih>then i'd have to transfer 250$ before i could even be able to update
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16:51<bugaloo>well... I have to go
16:51<bugaloo>see you guys
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16:56<boobsbr>i'm having a bit of a problem understanding the address of a lspci output
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16:57<boobsbr>what does 01:05.0 mean?
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17:15<franklin>boobsbr, to make it simple, it's the "location" on the "pci" bus. 01 is the first bus (among your pci, pci-express, agp, pccard...). 05 is the Fifth "pci card". The ".0" is the first function of that device.
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17:16<franklin>boobsbr, lspci -tv can help you visualize.
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17:16<qq->boobsbr: man lspci
17:17<variable>hehehe, now i installed those damn nvidia drivers ;]
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17:17<variable>there left to fix that sound :)
17:18<variable>bit by bit and i shall learn something about linux and debian ;]
17:18<qq->variable: uname -r
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17:22<qq->lspci -tv |grep Audio
17:23<variable>how to know which gnome i'm using?
17:23<variable> +-1b.0 Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
17:23<Lethalman>variable, your gnome is a mix between gnome 2.18, 2.20, 2.22
17:23<variable>i neaded just first number :)
17:23<Lethalman>variable, anyway there's an about dialog in your panel under "System"
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17:51<yosef>I just install debian 4.0r4a, the screen resolution is 600x600 I'm not able to change it to 1280 , somebody can help me?
17:52<e-sa>for the sake of convenience, is someone aware of packaged ati drivers specifically made for a single target? (for 64 bit sid in my case)
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17:52<e-sa>yosef: depends on your video card, google should direct you to some handy howto
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17:53<yosef>e-sa, I try they all talk about he /etc/x11 and I don't have it
17:54<yosef>I have gigabyte mainboard
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17:54<variable>yong, i have too gigabyte
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17:55<yosef>variable: Yes sir
17:55<variable>go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:56<yosef>variable: it's my first time installing debian on my gigabytes
17:56<yosef>variable I don't have the x11 on my /etc
17:56<variable>because i have it
17:56<cogwheel>yosef, it's case-sensitive. /etc/X11 != /etc/x11
17:57<variable>yosef, so do have it or not? ;]
17:57<yosef>variable, yea, it work in case-sensitve
17:58*cogwheel notes: dirnames are always case-sensitive.
17:58<variable>so open that xorg.conf with root rights
17:58<cogwheel>that said, off to bed ->
17:58<yosef>variable: I open it
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17:58<variable>with root rights
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17:58<yosef>there is screen section
17:58<variable>now go to the bottumn
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17:59<variable>is there some those 600x600?
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18:00<yosef>variable , yes
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18:00<ldiain>I got a odd little issue for you guys to chew on, I am trying to install a netinst debian sprac distron on a Sun SS20 system - I can launch the installed off of the cdrom drive but during the install it fails to mount the cdrom drive - seems after it loads the installed at some point it must unmount the drive and then need to remount it during the install but fails stating that there is no media in the drive. How do you from loading th
18:00<ldiain>e kernal and inital install scripts from a cd to there is no media in the same drive off the same cd?
18:01<variable>yosef, go to privat
18:02<variable>i'll paste you what you need to add
18:03<yosef>variable: can you see this if you don't mind?
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18:04<ldiain>if its an oddityin the cdrom drive but it loads the kernal at first do yall think a bootP and some how a NFS install would work?
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18:19<yosef>variable: it worked
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18:19<variable>;] yeeee
18:20<yosef>variable: thank you for your help
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18:21<yosef>variable , what media player do you use?
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18:22<variable>for now it's xmms
18:22<variable>looks like winamp
18:22<variable>and vlc
18:23<yosef>variable, vlc is good
18:23<variable>yes it is
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18:25<yosef>variable, I should go now
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18:26<rah>bit of a problem with dpkg-shlibs
18:26<rah>dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: ../build-area/jack-audio-connection-kit-1.8+svn2871ubuntu3/debian/jack-audio-connection-kit/usr/lib/jack/ shouldn't be linked with (it uses none of its symbols).
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18:26<rah>except that appears to be a lie; it does
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18:27<rah>any ideas?
18:27<rah>could dpkg-shlibs possibly be b0rked?
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18:30<qq->rah: on ubuntu ?
18:31<rah>could debian's dpkg-shlibs possibly be b0rked?
18:31<qq->so wrong channel
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18:32<rah>which is the correct channel?
18:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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18:32<rah>sorry, let me rephrase
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18:32<kandrex>hi, has someone here used "auto-ndiswrapper"?
18:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:33<rah>have there been any major changes to debian's dpkg-shlibs recently that might have caused it to regress?
18:33<rah>qq-: was that !ask directed at me?
18:33<qq->bash: dpkg-shlibs: command not found
18:34<qq->in debian ...
18:34<rah>sorry, my bad
18:34<rah>have there been any major changes to debian's dpkg-shlibdeps recently that might have caused it to regress?
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18:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:37<kandrex>i've a problem with ndiswrapper, has someone here used "auto-ndiswrapper"
18:38<qq->kandrex: read what dpkg said > " Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it,"
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18:42<qq->kandrex: and don't PM
18:44<kandrex>qq-: i just asking u to teach me how i must make my question, pls
18:45<dpkg>ndiswrapper is probably a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
18:47<kandrex>qq-: ok, thanks. but what if i can't find a solution. I have 3 days trying to make wifi works on my laptop
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18:48<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>.
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18:51<kandrex>ok, maybe nobody want to help today
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18:52<upsilon>kandrex: you haven't said what the problem is yet
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19:12<AzaTht>I'm trying to find out what is turning off my screen as a screensaver all the time after 10 min inactivity; I'm using xfce4 and I don't have xscreensaver running
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19:16<AzaTht>anyone got an idea what is making the screen blanking?
19:17<amphi>AzaTht: xset?
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20:25<danih>the channel has fallen asleep
20:25<ptr>sad :(
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20:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
20:26<danih>qq-, isn't there an debian offtopic chann for times like these? :p
20:26<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
20:26<qq->or join #debian-offtopic
20:28<ptr>Well, I *did* have a question, so I might as well ask it. Sorry, qq-. ... Given an identifier for a device (either the path to the device file or the UUID), is there a way to determine whether it's mounted and, if so, where? /etc/mtab won't necessarily know this
20:29<qq->look in /etc/fstab ,or use df -h
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20:30<ptr>sadly, neither will do it. Because I don't want to know if something *should* be mounted there, I want to know if it is... and df -h doesn't return UUIDs
20:31<ptr>So, again, I have an identifier that *may* be a UUID and may not. How do I know whether it's mounted?
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20:33<qq->ptr: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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20:35<ptr>qq-: again, not quite what I want, but that may be what I end up doing. It'd be nice to have some general way of asking the system whether something's mounted (after all, 'mount' itself can look this up). Maybe that tool needs writing.
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20:39<qq->well , df -h , give all what is mounted on system . other tools may do better
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20:40<ptr>so, what I'm saying is that, if you mount something by UUID, df -h returns the device name instead.
20:41<ptr>I also realize that the magic bullet I'm looking for probably doesn't exist, though.
20:41<piper>mount|grep ^'/dev' and / or ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
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20:42<ptr>piper: doesn't account for symlinks
20:43<ptr>but it looks like all the "figure out what the actual device is" code is part of mount, and not separated out into a library
20:43<piper>ptr: hmm, maybe try ls /dev|grep '[s|h]d[a-z]'
20:44<ptr>right, that'll give me all the likely candidates, except network drives, and it still won't tell me whether the identifier I've got is the one that's mounted
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20:44<ptr>but there's always a way. I can enumerate all the things I think the identifier can be, and check them all individually
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20:45<ptr>it's just that I hoped that there was some command I could call that would do that for me (and be less likely to miss stuff, and be likely to include new ways of identifying devices as time went on), since that code already exists in mount
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21:00<variable>nice, now I can lpay quake 3 :)
21:00<variable>but still have problem with sound ;/
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21:02<ptr>hmm. findfs is handy
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21:14<variable>what could happen if i'll install ktorrent which is for KDE when i using gnome?
21:15<qq->nothing , just add some packages
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21:16<variable>thanks a lot ;]
21:16<variable>qq-, do you use it?
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21:17<qq-> nothing ...
21:17<qq->apt-cache search torrent
21:17<qq->look here for some torrent/s
21:17<variable>;] i want to ask do you use ktorrent
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21:17<qq->i use no one
21:18<variable>hmm why not?
21:18<qq->or any
21:18<qq->why yes ?
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21:22<TheRedDiscus>is anyone there?
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21:23<variable>it's time to sleep, bye
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21:23<TheRedDiscus>got a question
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21:23<TheRedDiscus>what do you treat a fish with gill flukes?
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21:35*egns pira a dormir, que tengan una buena noche.
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22:32<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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23:08<Woet>Is there a one-line command to change the password of a user?
23:08<Woet>like: 'passwd foo --oldpassword bar --newpassword newbar'
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23:10<chase>soo.. anyone ever have a problem with a garbled up dvi signal?
23:12<piper>Woet: passwd username
23:13<Woet>piper: gives me a wizard.
23:13<Woet>I'm asking for a one-line command
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23:13<RIVE><chase> soo.. anyone ever have a problem with a garbled up dvi signal? <-- I use to have that problem, i bought a better DVI cable and that was the solution.
23:14<piper>Woet: hmm, wizard, never seen that before, no wizard or gui here
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23:14<Woet>wesley@localhost:/$ passwd
23:14<Woet>Changing password for wesley
23:14<Woet>(current) UNIX password:
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23:15<Woet>I dont want such wizard, I just want a one-line command I need to execute.
23:15<Woet>like the example I mentioned before.
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23:25<justMario_>anyone savy on hd connections?
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23:27<justMario_>anyone out there?
23:27<Gun_Smoke>elaborate hd
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23:27<justMario_>comparing vga cable with dvi cable
23:28<Gun_Smoke>Never played with it..
23:28<justMario_>if i am getting choppy quality, will my vga cable be the cause of it? ...will dvi make that kind of difference
23:28<justMario_>ah ok
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23:32<Gun_Smoke>not set up for dcc atm
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23:34<MotoHoss>Woet: Perhaps usermod see the man page.
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23:54<midoboss>any python programmer?
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