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02:37<liorc>Hi. I just noticed that 100% of my outbound link internet link is being used, and I can't find the reason why. I checked that apache, mldonkey and ktorrent are not running. I used tcpdump and netstat to see that the traffic is going from port 6881. How can I find the application name?
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02:45<Nemoder>lionel: if you run netstat -tupan as root it should show the process names
02:46<Nemoder>err liorc
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02:50<massmc>how do i install a program with dpkg
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02:51<fxiny>what program ?
02:51<franklin>massmc, Usual hint : you shouldn't. Is the program provided by Debian ?
02:51<massmc>skype, its downloaded.. altho i am on xfce and need to install it manually
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02:52<massmc>yes, its a .deb
02:52<franklin>massmc, so "dpkg -i foo.deb" will do, but
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02:53<franklin>massmc, ... You will have to re-download it for each security update... a better way is to add a line in the /etc/apt/sources.list, pointing to a repository (if skype has one)
02:53<Nemoder>shouldn't need to reinstall custom debs, they simply wont get updated
02:53<franklin>massmc, which they seems to have, see
02:54<Nemoder>also if you install gdebi you can use that instead of command line to install them
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02:54<massmc>ahh, cheers for that franklin , I will have a look at that now
02:55<massmc>Nemoder, I am doing that now also *smiles
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02:56<massmc>it's just a new install on xfce and am abit rusty cause spoilt by gnome
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03:33<enouf>awe dang, i missed the boobz .. :-(
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03:50<massmc>how do i see how much diskspace is left from terminal
03:54<ansgar>massmc: df
03:54<massmc>thanks ansgar
03:55<massmc>ansgar, whats a good small player ? xmms?
03:55<massmc>I just need a tiny all round player
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04:10<fxiny>massmc: xmms2
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04:25<Tuplad>I'd like to modprobe the also module, what is the name ? snd-pcm-alsa ?
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04:33<enouf>there are thousands
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04:49<Tuplad>Can anyone help me ? I am using debian lenny and I dont have sound in flash with opera, iceweasel and epiphany.
04:50<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
04:51<enouf>!alsa checklist
04:51<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
04:53<enouf>snd_mixer_oss will also pull in snd_pcm_oss
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04:53<enouf>alsa-oss pkg, iinm
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04:54<enouf>~$ lshal | grep device_file | sort and lsmod | grep snd are two fun commands to run :-P
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04:54<Tuplad>oh snap, shut down opera by accident, could you please run the alsa checklist again ?
04:55<enouf>Tuplad: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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04:57<Tuplad>how do I add myself to the audio group ? I have no audio group
04:58<hahnp>if you dont have an audio group you cant add yourselfe to it
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04:59<weasel>if you don't have an audio group then you probably are not using debian.
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05:00<Tuplad>I am using debian
05:00<enouf>is the witch dead?
05:01<Tuplad>I do have sound in programs etc. but no sound in browser
05:01<Tuplad>alsaconf also cant find my soundcard, I'm using an external soundcard.
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05:04<oddtod>hey guys this might be more of a VMware question but you might be able to answer is anyway. do you know how i can add a ethernet adapter in a vmmachine i've added the device in the options but its not showing up in the system
05:05<hahnp>there should be a ethernet adapter if you had added it correctly to your virtual mashine
05:05<hahnp>perhaps its just not configured in the virtual mashine os
05:06<oddtod>yeah thats what i'm asking how to do hahnp
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05:06<hahnp>which os do you use?
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05:06<oddtod>yeha debian
05:07<hahnp>type ifconfig
05:07<hahnp>as root
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05:07<hahnp>there should be at least each configured link
05:07<hahnp>normaly when you use vmware it is already configured
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05:09<hahnp>how did you configured the ethernet adapter in your vmware?
05:09<oddtod>i just added through the options menu
05:09<hahnp>there are serveral options you can use...
05:09<oddtod>i've tried bridged and NAT
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05:10<hahnp>if you want to get access to the internet through your host you have to use nat i think
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05:10<hahnp>what does ifconfig show you?
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05:10<iron>you can try type "dhclient"
05:11<oddtod>just ath0
05:11<oddtod>errr lo
05:13<hahnp>then try dmesg and look if theres something like Ethernet
05:13<hahnp>dmesg | grep Ethernet
05:13<oddtod>thank you iron
05:13<oddtod>fixed the issue
05:13<oddtod>thank you for your advice
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05:20<iron>you're welcome
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05:31<gd>hello, who knows about LFS
05:31<simonrvn>google does
05:32<gd>simonrvn, sorry, I have looked for it
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05:34<dpkg>somebody said lfs was large file support --, or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or the Log-structured File System in NetBSD
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05:35<gd>simonrvn, when my LFS target system reboot, I enter root .then it say:last login... no mail... and cann't found /bin/bash
05:36<simonrvn>you talking about what exactly?
05:38<gd>simonrvn, LFS. linux from scratch
05:38<enouf>this is #debian
05:38<simonrvn>yes, and it's not supported here.
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05:39<enouf>gd: try ##linux and ##linuxhelp on, for starters
05:39<simonrvn>i think they have one on freenode, #lfs or such. search with chanserv
05:39<enouf>..perhaps - point
05:39<gd>simonrvn, ok,thanks any way
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05:51<Tuplad>how do I make a link through console?
05:53<hahnp>Tuplad, what kind of link?
05:53<Tuplad>a shortcut
05:53<enouf>man ln
05:53<hahnp>ln -s
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05:54<Tuplad>oh yes :) thanks!
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05:55<fxiny>how can i burn files bigger then 4G ?
05:56<fxiny>don't say split :)
05:56<fxiny>no room for splitting
05:56<enouf>fxiny: ?
05:56<fxiny>enouf: yes ? i have a file > 4G and k3b refuses
05:56<enouf>fxiny: burn to DVD?
05:56<enouf>fxiny: growisofs, or dd
05:57<enouf>fxiny: try -dry-run option 1st, is that an ISO you made with genisoimage?
05:58<fxiny>nope, is a file
05:59<franklin>fxiny, something like mkisofs | growisofs ?
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06:01<fxiny>i'm googling . it seems is some kind of growisofs bug (?) , hmmm
06:03<franklin>fxiny, I had use it once, for cd ;)
06:03<franklin>fxiny, CD :
06:03<fxiny>franklin: browsing ...
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06:08<enouf>fxiny: there were some udf FS bug that would bork on over 4GB files, reading was never an issue, wriing was
06:09<enouf>fxiny: which kernel?
06:10<enouf>recent versions of all (kernel, k3b, growisofs) shouldn't have an issue
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06:13<enouf>7.1 * - allow session to cross 4GB boundary even on single-layer media
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06:26<fxiny>enouf: etch
06:29<enouf>fxiny: well, i'm trying to recall how many kernel versions the issue spanned ...
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06:30<fxiny>enouf: in a slack google/forum they suggets to change k3b iso level fro 2 to 3 . but i can't see any damned option for it
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06:33<fxiny>ahhhh : man mkisofs >> level 3
06:35<fxiny>found it >> ddata project properties > advanced
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06:36<fxiny>still refusing to add
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06:43<enouf>fxiny: sorry, was afk
06:43<enouf>fxiny: i would try just dd
06:44<enouf>fxiny: what kind of file? tar? and size is?
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06:44<enouf>fxiny: oh, and dvd +r, -r, rw ?
06:44<fxiny>enouf: 4.4 . i think i'll split it
06:44<enouf>fxiny: no, no no ;-)
06:45<fxiny>dvd +r
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06:45<enouf>fxiny: ok .. so try dd if=/path/to/file of=/dev/hdb obs=32M seek=0
06:46<fxiny>enouf: k3b won't add files > 4Gb no matter what iso lelve i use
06:46<fxiny>enouf: slack link in ot
06:46<enouf>fxiny: IINM, it would require you to make an ISO prior using those modes
06:46<fxiny>enouf: ahhhh
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06:47<fxiny>so i must do an iso to use level 3
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06:48<fxiny>could be a /tmp issue
06:48<fxiny>interesting problem
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07:09<franklin>fxiny, did you see this post about UDF ?
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07:11<fxiny>franklin: from a nabble page i'm on a proper debian one :
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07:12<fxiny>franklin: rigt at the end it says lenny kde can burn it
07:12<fxiny>not tested it yes
07:14<fxiny>i have no kde on my lenny . just flux awesome and xmonad . i was trying to burn it on my crypto etch
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07:15<fxiny>franklin: on all this google pages there are suggestions like : set the iso level at 3 form 2 . done it but no luck . tick the udf . same as before . lots of wrong info
07:16<fxiny>enouf: yes . is on my crypto etch . i think i'll do it on lenny
07:17<franklin>fxiny, iso9660 limitation :
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07:20<fxiny>franklin: yes . iso/udf limits and man mkisofs >> level , i'm on it
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07:27<franklin>fxiny, according to , Debian's mkisofs (actually genisoimage), doesn't have the option to create multi-extends images (as opposed to cdrtools)... The authors finals suggestion is to use udftools ... I google this
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07:28<fxiny>franklin: you running lenny ?
07:28<franklin>yes (gnome)
07:28<fxiny>cause my lenny is still minimal and i'm planning not to install gnome or kde . i have flux awesome and xmonad
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07:29<fxiny>franklin: so i was trying to burn it on my crypto etch . whick has kde
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07:30<fxiny>i regard k3b as a world class burner app . anyway
07:30<fxiny>yes a front end . still very good
07:31<franklin>fxiny, it seems so. I've never used it though.
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07:33<fxiny>franklin: i have enough of some concepts like virtual desktops . i say to myself stop using anything supporting this idea . trying to do it
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07:33<fxiny>don't want to hear anymore of virtual desktops
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07:34<mo0>fxiny:did u try Enlightment?
07:34<franklin>fxiny, I've never used virtual desktop. Alt-tab works great. (large monitor helps too)
07:34<fxiny>mo0: i run Enlightment long ago on freebsd
07:34<mo0>me too, i found it so cool and easy to configure :D
07:34<fxiny>franklin: is the virtual desktop idea i can't stand
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07:35<franklin>fxiny, ... I forgot to mention tab-enabled applications, like gnome-terminal and firefox.
07:35<fxiny>there are only windows properties , call it tags like wmii/awesome
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07:36<fxiny>mo0: my choice for lenny is xmonad/awesome
07:38<fxiny>franklin: my brain refuses to think in terms of virtual desktops , my brain feels much better sticking tags on windows . grouping 'em and making its own plans
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07:39<fxiny>virtual desktops a f* : it's only a matter of windows visibility
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07:41<danih>fxiny, virtual desktops are the same as workspaces right?
07:41<fxiny>danih: yes
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07:42<danih>how can you manage webbrowsing, chatting, some terminal screens and a music player on one desktop
07:42<danih>it would make me go crazy
07:42<fxiny>danih: check out : awesome . wmii . xmonad . more aswesome for an explanation
07:43<danih>k, lets see
07:44<franklin>fxiny, A perfect WM should guess what I want (by learning), without my having to tell it (by starting program, clicking to focus windows, or group windows)
07:44<fxiny>danih: tags : you stick a tag to a window . same tag to another and you bring in the foreground with one command
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07:44<danih>so is awesome a stand alone window manager or just a plugin?
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07:45<franklin>fxiny, regarding your problem, you might want to format your disk as UDF, then copy the file on the formated DVD.
07:45<fxiny>franklin: i agree 100% : a wm should manage windows according to sensible criteria and to users needs
07:47<fxiny>danih: awesome , wmii , ion , xmonad and many more are "tiling windows managers"
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07:48<danih>i renamed my workspaces to web/chat/misc/terms so it kinda has the same functionality :p
07:49<danih>but maybe awesome can convince me, brb, gonna try it
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07:50<fxiny>franklin: i alwaìys say a simple thing : i'm running emacs , right ? depending on the hardware specs (screen size) if i open iceweasel i might want to browse the net for info and maybe pasting from iceweasel to emacs . a window managers should get this and should offer me a decent layout for doing it
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07:51<fxiny>tiling windows manager are the closest thing tio this
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07:51<fxiny>add this to any app you run and you got the idea of the ideal wm
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07:52<danih>ok im running awesome right now
07:52<fxiny>awesome shows many nice layouts
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07:52<danih>i should read a man page first, i'm only able to start terminal windows :D
07:52<fxiny>giving time , tiling windows managers will rule the desktop scene
07:53<fxiny>danih: you running etch or lenny ? wmii is the easiest to start with on etch
07:54<fxiny>oh , i've just started moving to lenny . i am a stable only user , i know . i shouldn't but this is the way i do my own things
07:55<danih>hehe, i just freshly installed etch yesterday and i thought let's update straight away, before i install a lot of new packages
07:55<danih>less chance for problems
07:55<franklin>awesome... I find that picture scary :
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07:56<fxiny>franklin: :))))
07:56<franklin>web browser is full screen... what a joke.
07:56<danih>well fxiny it looks pretty neat and i can see myself working with a clean environment like this, just need to figure it out abit
07:56<franklin>not to mention the keyboard
07:57<fxiny>danih: it is . more efficient . more relaxing .
07:57<fxiny>check out dmenu and dzen
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07:58<franklin>..xmonad : again, one single web browser, that's a joke.
07:58<_sam>hi i have a sound problem. I can't get streaming audio to work at all. Sites like get an error connecting and video sites just play the video but no sound. This used to work but has recently stopped. System sounds like the login sound all play fine. Any suggestions?
07:58<franklin>i agree the xterm are well ordered.
07:59<danih>so now you've got me in doubt fxiny , continue using fluxbox or switching :)
08:00<fxiny>they are still primitives , in the sense they are not monitoring user actions , they have not profiled yet the user , but i think they will .
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08:00<fxiny>danih: flux ? im using it rigth nowe on etch and i have it installed on lenny
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08:01<danih>so do you prefer awesome over flux?
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08:02<fxiny>yes , after 2 hours with a tiling wm . going back to flux you feel you are running windows
08:02<fxiny>is just a feeling
08:02<_sam>anyone? it's really bugging me
08:02<fxiny>there is plenty of improvement , eyecandy is a dead alley
08:03<franklin>I'll stick to my fat gnome ;) (with the hope they come up with clever tagging system)
08:03<danih>i could use anything except kde :)
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08:04<fxiny>i have nothing against kde and gnome developpers : they are showing this stinking planet what a foss developper can do . but kde and gnome imo are dead
08:04<zep^>does people use something else than adobe flash player ?
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08:04<_sam>oh and another thing. is there an iceweasel 3? i want to install some extensions that only work on the latest firefox and i can't seem to find a matching iceweasel release
08:05<fxiny>dragging and resizing windows is ridicolous
08:05<danih>well as for now im stuck to opening terminals :D
08:05<franklin>fxiny, yes... except for a browser ;)
08:06<franklin>fxiny, I mean four of them.
08:06<fxiny>franklin: floating mode is supported
08:06<danih>my windows have no window bar though so i cant drag 'm
08:07<fxiny>a user can drag and resize at will
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08:07<franklin>fxiny, but It overlaps xterms... like it does under gnome.
08:07<franklin>fxiny, actually... I probably needs a much larger screen !
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08:07<fxiny>some browser winodws must be kept floating
08:08<_sam>i thought this was a help channel. is there a special channel not for arguments?
08:08<fxiny>franklin: we all deserve a wide screen for emacs and iceweasel in A4 format
08:08<danih>_sam, there is an iceweasel 3
08:09<fxiny>giving that , what's the use of a non tiling wm ?
08:09<danih>you should edit your sources list for getting lenny packages and then upgrade iceweasel with apt-get
08:09<_sam>how do i get it?
08:10<abrotman>_sam: are you on etch ?
08:10<_sam>yeah i think so
08:11<abrotman>then there is no IW3 for you
08:11<_sam>why not?
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08:12<abrotman>for starters .. your GTK isn't new enough
08:12<franklin>IW2 is good anyway.
08:12<_sam>i know but i want to use weave and new mozilla labs extensions
08:13<_sam>how do i get a version of debian that will let me have iw3?
08:13<abrotman>!tell _sam about etch->lenny
08:13<abrotman>enjoy the broken bits
08:14<_sam>what's wrong with lenny?
08:14<danih>fxiny, is it right that my windows don't have windowbars with close, maximize button on them etc
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08:14<_sam>if i upgrade to it can i have iceweasel 3?
08:14<abrotman>_sam: it's the "testing" version .. it has broken parts still
08:15<abrotman>yes .. since that's all you seem to care about .. you can have IW3
08:15<danih>_sam, if you upgrade to it it'll automatically give you IW3
08:15<_sam>ok i don't really use this for much else im just sick of this old browser
08:15<abrotman>kids ...
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08:24<_sam>so is there anything major i should know about that doesn't work in lenny?
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08:26<abrotman>!tell _sam about bts
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08:59<danih>fluxbox won
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09:04<blitz\away>update manager keeps popping up saying theres 1 update available, but when i open it it says "your system is up to date" ?
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09:41<fxiny>danih: yes , no windows bar : mod shift c will close it , i have it addedn in my ~/.fluxbox/keys >>> Mod1 Shift c :Close
09:42<fxiny>added to*
09:42<danih>fxiny: i have no windows key
09:42<danih>so i changed mod4 to mod5 in my .awesomerc
09:42<fxiny>i know
09:42<fxiny>i have no windows keys as well
09:43<danih>but it seems like it doesn't read from that file, i changed the names of the tags aswell but they still appear as 1-9
09:45<fxiny>danih: xmodmap shows your mods
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09:45<danih>yeah, but what file should i alter to change the config
09:46<danih>it doesnt read from ~/.awesomerc
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09:46<odin>hi, i wanna know if it is possible to make two computers of a same network to work on a same processus (a "sort" on a huge textfile)
09:48<odin>ok, thanks ^^
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09:48<fxiny>danih: can't remember . can't boot into lenny
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10:09<danih>fxiny, got my config file to work :)
10:12<danih>its kinda nice
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10:19<fxiny>franklin_: hey : it seems lenny k3b burns it
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10:21<franklin_>fxiny, k3b really seems to be a killing app.
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10:22<fxiny>franklin_: i did a quick kde install . mounting the file with cryptsetup , i'm on 25% . i'll check at the end , file is 4.3G
10:23<fxiny>lenny rox !
10:23<fxiny>no wanring no bullshit about shortening long files name . no bla bla udf . we'll see , good for users
10:24<franklin>I hope we can release Lenny soon.
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10:24<fxiny>i'm doing a pretty nice lenny install , i take my time
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10:25<fxiny>but i am impressed by performances
10:26<fxiny>anytime i move from a stable to the next , woody to sarge . sarge to etch . i have the feeling i should stay with the old . this time is different
10:26<franklin>The kernel have been evolving so fast... that's impressive. kernel-DDs have done a good job as well
10:27<fxiny>i have such good performances reading writing files comparing to etch : more then double speed for a 1G file
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10:28<fxiny>a lame test : time cp file
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10:29<danih>fxiny, i have a tag "www" and the rules firefox-bin tag = wss and iceweasel tag = www
10:30<danih>but it still just pops up wherever i am at the moment i press the shortkey
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10:30<danih>firefox-bin tag = www*
10:30<fxiny>danih: sorry . i'm back to etch , checking a dvd
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10:35<fxiny>danih: check out dmenu and dzen2
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10:38<danih>what are they?
10:39<Zorro>Hey guys. I'm having a sound issue. Every time I log in I have to sudo alsaconf - otherwise all programs think the soundcard is busy. Currently running lenny upgraded from etch. Anyone have any ideas?
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10:53<danih>fxiny, could you give me a brief pointer on how to use widgets?
10:53<danih>do i have to install "amazing" ?
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11:06<fxiny>franklin: something went wrong : k3b burned only 315MB out of 4.3G
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11:07<franklin>fxiny, !#?@?
11:07<franklin>fxiny, after all that time !
11:07<franklin>fxiny, that's strange...
11:08<fxiny>franklin: i moved the original file on this box , i wanted to check the md5sum
11:08<fxiny>yes strange
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11:15<fxiny>franklin: this is ridicolus : mounting iot back in lenny i read 4.4G !
11:15<fxiny>franklin: checking the md5sum
11:17<franklin>fxiny, it probably reports what it sees in the dvd header.
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11:18<franklin>However, since writing the DVD took 1h++, I wonder if it actually failed ??
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11:18<fxiny>not 1h
11:19<fxiny>now i'm running md5sum on the dvd file
11:19<franklin>yep, we'll see.
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11:20<fxiny>and i'll mount it on an unencrypted etch
11:20<franklin>Anybody knows how to convert a list of file into a regexp ?
11:20<franklin>... automatically (315kb !)
11:20<fxiny>a list of files ?
11:20<franklin>all the packages provided by Lenny.
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11:22<franklin>I mean a list of filenames.
11:22<fxiny>i don't understand the regexp side of it , i obviously know what a regexp is and what a sexeger is ;)
11:23<fxiny>ahhh regexp ?
11:24<fxiny>no . i am like dpkg : lost :P
11:24<franklin>I meant regular expression.
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11:24<fxiny>yes , regex , sexeger are reverse regex
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11:29<franklin>fxiny, something like
11:30<fxiny>franklin: never heard of this
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11:32<fxiny>wt4x !
11:32<fxiny>franklin: md5sum matches !
11:32<franklin>Great !!
11:32<fxiny>but i see onnly 315MB when mounting it on etch
11:32<fxiny>how the f* lenny mounts such dvd ?
11:32<fxiny>only lenny see 4.4
11:33<qq->franklin: txt2regex - A Regular Expression "wizard", all written with bash2 builtins
11:35<franklin>qq-, thanks... I had installed it. Now I'm trying to use it...
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11:37<fxiny>fstab are the same
11:38<fxiny>can't believe it
11:38<franklin>fxiny, are they mounted as udf ?
11:38<fxiny>franklin: only lenny can see and report the coreect md5sum
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11:38<fxiny>etch encrypted and unencrypted reads a smaller file
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11:40<fxiny>franklin: i bet etch fails cause the file is > 4g . checked it on a windoze xp image and is ok
11:41<EmleyMoor>Is there such a thing as a pastebin that can take a binary?
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11:41<franklin>fxiny, would be interesting to compare Documentation/filesystems/udf.txt in both kernels.
11:41<EmleyMoor>(not for a Debian thing but so I can help a friend who is stuck)
11:41<fxiny>franklin: i'm booting again into etch
11:42<franklin>EmleyMoor, uuencode ?
11:42<qq->EmleyMoor: install a web server and put it on
11:42<EmleyMoor>franklin: I need something he can just feed a binary file straight into for me to grab
11:43<EmleyMoor>Installing a web server is beyond him
11:43<qq->no on your machine
11:43<EmleyMoor>I'd have to give him access by some means for him to do it
11:44<fxiny>franklin: so . i have the "hd" md5sum , i run it on etch , i mounted the luks on lenny and burned it , back to etch the file is smaller . checked md5sum >>right on the mounted lenny dvd and it matches . lurid xp reads 4.4 . etch 315MB only
11:44<franklin>EmleyMoor, You can try this (in french). I've never used it .
11:45<fxiny>this means etch can't read files > 4G from a dvd
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11:46<fxiny>lenny k3b burned it ok according to md5sum
11:46<fxiny>whic is good , very good
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11:48<franklin>fxiny, I did search for this one :
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11:53<fxiny>franklin: i have successfully burned a 4.3GB file in lenny k3b , is a compressed file and unfortunately i cannot open it cause i do not have space nor rar installed in lenny , i see md5sum match , so i can say i successfully burned it . the thing is : when i mount it on etch the md5sum dont't match and i can read only 315MB out of 4.3G . if anyone can confirm this the bug is not a k3b bug but a etch kernel bug
11:54<fxiny>i also checked on a vmware xp : xp reads 4.4
11:55<franklin>fxiny, Based on what you say, it looks like a kernel bug.
11:55<fxiny>franklin: we need a confirmation
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11:55<fxiny>burning a 4.3G file in lenny and mounting it on etch
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11:56<fxiny>franklin: fstab are the same : ... udf,iso9660 ...
11:57<franklin>fxiny, it says iso9660 ?
11:57<fxiny>franklin: i can add : k3b gave no wanring about file zize > 4G
11:57<fxiny>franklin: both udf and iso
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11:59<fxiny>franklin: i'm going to tranfer the file from dvd back to hd : and check the md5sum again
11:59<franklin>try doing it on the etch box;
12:00<franklin>so you can try mountingit.
12:00<fxiny>franklin: yes : from lenny dvd to etch home
12:00<franklin>mounting it**
12:00<fxiny>franklin: i've checked it on wto etch : one encryopted and one not encrypted : same
12:01<Volfram>Hello, i need a help with sound on Debian installed from "debian-40r4etchnhalf-i386-netinst". Sound card HDA Intel (realtek ALC268). Mobile Intel GL960 Express Chipset. Packages alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-tools installed. alsaconf passed successfuly, in alsamixer all channels set to max. But there is still no sound. Where could be the problem?
12:02*_sagitarius_ is back (gone 10:39:33)
12:02<abrotman>!tell _sagitarius_ about away
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12:05<fxiny>franklin: so etch/md5sum/file matches lenny/md5sum/dvd-file . i wanna se if dumping it back from lenny/dvd to etch/hd i get the same match . a dump from etch/dvd to etch/hd file don't mathc
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12:06<fxiny>again the file is bigger then 4G
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12:06<franklin>fxiny, so it looks like a bug in the cd driver, or udf, that prevents extracting the data. if you can "dd" the ISO, I'll assume it's a bug in UDF.
12:06<fxiny>just one single file
12:06<dread>I just reinstalled lenny, and now after I select the kernel from grub, I get to 'uncompressing linux, loading please wait' and then my system hangs..any one know how to fix this?
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12:07<fxiny>franklin: dd the iso ? is not a iso yu mean cp the device in a file.iso and mounting the iso ?
12:07<fxiny>i can try that
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12:08<franklin>fxiny, I meant "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/foo ...."
12:08<fxiny>same as cp /dev/cdrom image.iso
12:08<fxiny>i'll do both
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12:09<fxiny>takes time cause i don't have space
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12:12<Zorro>Hey guys. I'm having a sound issue. Every time I log in I have to sudo alsaconf - otherwise all programs think the soundcard is busy. Currently running lenny upgraded from etch. Anyone have any ideas?
12:13<qq->Zorro: take a look to bts
12:14<MagBo>hey, two questions about sound here
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12:15<Zorro>what's bts?
12:15<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
12:17<franklin>for the regex, I fount it : /usr/share/doc/libregexp-optimizer-perl/examples/
12:18<fxiny>franklin: lenny can burn a 4.4Gb file and can write it back to hd . i have md5sum match
12:18<fxiny>now going fo dd and cp
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12:25<Rafz>i've a dlink router and interface web not working more,so i want open some port on ip extern from telnet,what rules should use,I need a rule that portforwards from outside interface ppp0 to internal ip
12:26<fxiny>franklin: cp /dev/cdrom file.iso > i'm already at 1.1G . looks like you got it right ! we'll se at the end
12:27<newsense>!tell Rafz about ssh
12:27<newsense>!tell Rafz about telnet
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12:28<pistache>Hello all
12:28<pistache>I've got a problem
12:28<newsense>Rafz: if ya use ssh instead ill help ya with your router
12:28<pistache>I've freshly installed a Debian Lenny
12:28<pistache>And each time I try to sudo, its say i'm not in the sudoers file
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12:29<pistache>Which i can't edit since i can't sudo :(
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12:30<newsense>pistache: you need root access to edit /etc/sudoers
12:30<pistache>I don't have root access
12:30<pistache>Because I can't sudo
12:30<newsense>well ask your admin to add you sorry :(
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12:30<pistache>newsense : i'm the admin
12:30<pistache>it's MY laptop
12:30<pistache>but I can't do sudo
12:31<newsense>but you dont have root access ?
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12:31<c36pop>hi , my preferences are in testing , actually it is lenny , but looks like soon it will be the stable version. So if i live my preferences as it , i will simply continue to upgrade towards the next testing version without any problem , right ?
12:31<pistache>newsense : found a solution
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12:31<pistache>if i start "Root terminal" it(s okay
12:32<pistache>Then what do I need to do in /etc/sudoers
12:32<newsense>add yourself
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12:32<newsense>!tell pistache about sudoers
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12:51<fxiny>franklin: sorted it : is etch/kde automounter : it mount is as iso , cp /dev/cdrom file.iso > file file.iso > ISO 9660 , is a udf !
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12:52<fxiny>so i ma happy to say : lenny can burn a > 4G file .but kde automount sit as iso and is not an iso is a udf
12:52<fxiny>while lenny kde mounts it right
12:52<fxiny>i have md5sum match
12:53<pistache>newsense, i've added your code, using visudo
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12:53<pistache>It's not working...
12:53<franklin>fxiny, looks like we had missed an RC bug in Etch...
12:53<newsense>pistache: my code ?
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12:54<fxiny>franklin: cp /dev/cdrom file.iso , ok ? nmounting it as iso on loopback gives error . mountijg it as udf is ok
12:54<newsense><newsense> !tell pistache about sudoers (hardly my code)
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12:54<fxiny>if a dvd has a >4G file kde autopunter f* up
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12:55<fxiny>this "bug" (?) is not in lenny : lenny does it right
12:55<newsense>pistache: i dont use sudo personally, i simply pointed you twords a factoid
12:55<pistache>newsense, no it's my fault
12:55<pistache>Thank you !
12:55<newsense>pistache: if i knew more about sudo id offer ya more help
12:55<franklin>fxiny, that was an interesting bug ;)
12:56<fxiny>franklin: never mind the etch bug : what it counts is . lenny improved it !
12:56<franklin>yep !
12:56<fxiny>franklin: burniong a >4G file in lenny is easy , at least in k3b leny . dunno gnome
12:56<fxiny>so : debian ROX !
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12:56<fxiny>happiness !
12:57<newsense>pistache: did ya get it working, if not repost your question and maybe you can get some help
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12:57<pistache>newsense : yes I did
12:57<pistache>newsense : i just did'nt read all the text given to me dpkg, and I did'nt replaced user by my username
12:58<pistache>that was the mistake
12:58<franklin>fxiny, I can't test it, because my "large" partition is FAT32, so I can't create 4G+ files !
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13:00<fxiny>franklin: believe me : i've mounted on loopback as udf and i got md5sum match , so that's the problem : etch automounts it as iso and not as udf , su and mount the dvd as udf i get the match again
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13:00<fxiny>franklin: this can happen to a eth user in the future is he mounts such a dvd
13:00<fxiny>until now , no debian "stable" user can do this . so whare's the problem ?
13:01<fxiny>there is no need to rush
13:01<Czesiu>Hello. Need help with wifi in Debian. I have a working configuration like this one: I'd like to move wifi related stuff to wpa_supplicant configuration so I created this one: and it doesn't work. What I do wrong?
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13:03<twb>"apt-get source dillo" works, but "apt-get source iceweasel" gives E: Unable to find a source package for iceweasel
13:03<fxiny>franklin: i ain't finished to install lenny yet but hell ! lenny seems tro be a great release !
13:03<twb>WTF? I have deb-src testing main in my sources.list
13:04<fxiny>now replacing my backups : no need for kde . kde users can be happy anyway
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13:04<franklin>twb you shoud replace testing by lenny in your source file :
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13:05<twb>franklin: why? It's not clear from the URL you posted.
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13:06<franklin>twb it isn't specific to deb-src. security wont be provided right after lenny is released.
13:06<chealer>!tell Czesiu about doesn't work
13:06<twb>franklin: if you don't mind, I'd like to solve my immediate issue.
13:07<twb>franklin: I don't give a shit about security for squish at this time.
13:07<franklin>**security wont be provided __for lenny+1__...
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13:12<franklin>twb, I have the same problem (with unstable)
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13:13<mo>hi debhelper, i am having problems installing glibc-2.7 can anyone help PLEASE?
13:14<abrotman>mo: need more info
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13:15<johns>franklin: Works in unstable here
13:15<mo>i got the following error;
13:15<mo>make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/home/mo/glibc-2.7/compile/Versions.all', needed by `/home/mo/glibc-2.7/compile/abi-versions.h'. Stop.
13:15<mo>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mo/glibc-2.7'
13:15<mo>make: *** [all] Error 2
13:15<abrotman>you're compiling libc?
13:15<mo>the folder /compile is the intended install dir
13:16<abrotman>you're compiling libc?
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13:17<Czesiu>So, again with more data. I have a working configuration like this one: I'd like to move wifi related stuff to wpa_supplicant configuration so I created this one: and it doesn't work - looks like wpasupplicant cannot see the key. Output and logs here:
13:18<mo>yes abrotman
13:18<abrotman>mo: why? that is a really bad idea and is likely to break your system very badly
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13:19<mo>i wanted to install d GUI for SteGUI and is part of the requirements. Maybe i should just forget it, if it will CRASH MY SYSTEM
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13:20<abrotman>d GUI ?
13:20<dmoerner>Czesiu: please try wpa_supplicant -Bdd -Dwext -i <interface> -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and pastebin the output
13:20<franklin>johns, same if deb-src = deb ... that's weird.
13:21<mo>yes, the graphic user interface. thanx abrotman. i think i should just forget about it
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13:22<mo>abrotman, do u know about steganography?? if yes, which software do u think is best to use?
13:22<abrotman>english please
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13:23<abrotman>mo: apt-cache search stegano .. try them
13:25<mo>ok, abrotman, i will try it. thanx , i appreciate.
13:25<dmoerner>Czesiu: please try with a minimal wpa_supplicant.conf:
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13:28<baka>есть кто
13:29<twb>!tell baka about ru
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13:30<Czesiu>dmoerner: btw, does it mean if psk is plaintext or encoded with wpa_passphrase?
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13:40<Czesiu>dmoerner: ok, I made it working. Original configuration with ap_scan=2 in global configuration and mode=0 in network definition.
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13:45<Czesiu>update: ap_scan=2 is sufficient, without mode=0 it works too
13:45<Czesiu>so, see you, thank for help :)
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13:54<alvarezp>People, is it just me, or does Bitstream Vera Sans (not Mono, not Serif) is rendering ó as Û?
13:55<yusuo>when i play vlc through an external monitor on my laptop the picture only appears on the laptop how can I set it to the monitor, help
13:55<alvarezp>(in Wirter)
13:57<alvarezp>Meh, sorry.. I just restarted OOo.
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14:05<danger2>Hi guys, any clues on how I can get my Sony Walkman NWZ A816 to work in Debian Lenny?
14:05<danger2>it doesn't even show up as a mass USB storage device
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14:23<chealer>!tell danger2 about doesn't work
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14:25<franklin>danger2, phones usually have multiple modes. In the menu, you probably have one mode for "Mass storage" and one for "synchronisation"
14:25<blarson>danger2: lsusb might tell you what you are looking for a driver for.
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14:57<franklin>How can I list non-free and contrib packages on a system ? (using dpkg and pat package only.)
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14:58<dmoerner>franklin: /win 6
14:59<deniz>does any1 no of a command line alternative of anki? or is there an anki for terminal?
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15:00<dmoerner>franklin: aptitude search ~i~snon-free ~i~scontrib
15:00<franklin>dmoerner, yes, but without aptitude.
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15:02<franklin>dmoerner, I'm working on an "upgrade-advisor", that should work on any system... so without aptitude.
15:03<dmoerner>franklin: /win 6
15:03<dmoerner>sorry haha
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15:04<dr>hi Dear Guru!!! how could i figure out whether Wget is compiled with support ssl or not?
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15:05<abrotman>!depends wget etch
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15:06<dpkg>wget: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8b-1)
15:06<dr>GNU WGET 1.10.2
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15:09<franklin>dr, based on the libraries used by the binary... I forgot all about programming C, but "objdump -T /usr/bin/wget | grep -i 'ssl' "
15:09<abrotman>it depends on libssl
15:11<danger2>chealer and franklin thanks for your comments, the Walkman doesn't show up in lsusb not sure how to change the "mode" on the walkman
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15:12<dmoerner>franklin: this is very ugly and produces false positives but it seems to work, more or less: for i in $(apt-cache dumpavail | grep non-free | grep Filename | cut -d '/' -f 4- | cut -d '/' -f -1); do if dpkg -l | grep -q "$i"; then echo "$i"; fi; done
15:12<franklin>danger2, on sony, I think it's in the connections > USB
15:12<dr>well I am very newbie in linux)...I think it takes a lot of my time to sort it out... but i'm persistent person ))
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15:13<danger2>ah thanks franklin I see it now how can I use that info to mount the device?
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15:14<franklin>dmoerner, If there's no tools that does it, I'll use your script.
15:14<danger2>Bus 001 Device 011: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp. is the relevent line from lsusb if that helps
15:14<franklin>dr, where does your wget comes from ?
15:15<dmoerner>franklin: its easy to do with grep-dctrl, aptitude, or vrms, but you don't seem to want those tools
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15:16<dr>from debian distribution
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15:16<franklin>dmoerner, I only want "Essential" tools.
15:16<dmoerner>franklin: oh i see a way to do it now. give me a second
15:17<dr>debian 2.6.18
15:17<franklin>dmoerner, I didn't know vrms... funny.
15:19<franklin>dr, so it has SSL, as abrotman said:
15:19<franklin>dr, running "dpkg -S /usr/bin/wget" will show the package where wget come from.
15:20<franklin>dr running "apt-cache depends wget" will show the dependencies of that package. if "libssl" is there, you have SSL support.
15:21<dr>franklin yor are MAN! thanks a lot! you are the best!!! thanks all!!!!!!!!
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15:25<danger2>franklin any ideas on my walkman problem mate
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15:25<allos_nerelin>checking for C compiler default output file name...
15:25<allos_nerelin>configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
15:25<dmoerner>franklin: got it: for i in $(apt-cache dumpavail | grep non-free | grep Filename | awk -F / '{print $NF}' | awk -F _ '{print $1}' | xargs); do if dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | grep -q ^"$i"; then echo "$i"; fi; done
15:25<abrotman>!b-e allos_nerelin
15:25<dpkg>allos_nerelin: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
15:27<allos_nerelin>I already installed!
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15:27<abrotman>show us all the output
15:27<chealer>danger2: which desktop environment do you use?
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15:28<franklin>dmoerner, Interesting. "dpkg --get-selections" is inside the loop, so It should be possilbe to speed it up a little.
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15:29<franklin>dmoerner, It will remain a bit slow, but at least I have the information.
15:29<dmoerner>franklin: yes it is: just use | sort | uniq -d to see the duplicate lines
15:30<dmoerner>(apt-cache dumpavail | grep non-free | grep Filename | awk -F / '{print $NF}' | awk -F _ '{print $1}' && dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}') | sort | uniq -d
15:30<dmoerner>is the final product haha
15:31*franklin was having a look at vrms's code...
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15:32<franklin>dmoerner, Great, that's ... fast !
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15:34<franklin>dmoerner, For now, it will be my solution. If someone want's something nicer he can offer a better solution (Unless I get bugs due to false positive/negative, where I'll have to do it myself.)
15:34<franklin>dmoerner, Thanks
15:35<dmoerner>franklin: no problem
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15:35<allos_nerelin>What package of C Compiler?
15:35<abrotman>!b-e allos_nerelin
15:35<dpkg>allos_nerelin: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
15:35<abrotman>show us all the output
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15:37<allos_nerelin>I already installed! I already installed! I already installed!I already installed!
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15:38<abrotman>show us all the output
15:38<abrotman>show us all the output
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15:39<haxi>how can I know what application is using the 8080 port?
15:39<abrotman>fuser or lsof
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15:53<franklin>haxi, or "netstat -antp"
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15:56<Scurz>I try to boot the lenny live cd on my laptop, but during boot, debian stays on "press f1 for help, or ENTER to", what to do ? I press "enter", that changes nothing... any ideas?
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15:58<adema>is it possible to remove the fuckin' beep ?
15:58<adema>i already modprobe -r pcspkr
15:58<dpkg>from memory, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell
15:58<adema>mais the beeps remain
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15:59<adema>is it possible the remove beep for every account ?
15:59<adema>'cause i need to modify ~/.inputrc for every user account ...
16:01<_sagitarius_>hola me pueden ayudar con este error ?
16:01<_sagitarius_>(Leyendo la base de datos ...
16:01<_sagitarius_>139366 ficheros y directorios instalados actualmente.)
16:01<_sagitarius_>Desinstalando dirmngr ...
16:01<_sagitarius_>Stopping DirMngr: dirmngr/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 446: 25579 Terminado "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@"
16:01<_sagitarius_>invoke-rc.d: initscript dirmngr, action "stop" failed.
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16:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:05<Woet>root@localhost:/dev# /etc/init.d/ssh start
16:05<Woet>Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdPRNG is not seeded
16:05<Woet>how would I go forward in checking out why that might be?
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16:10<oddto1>hello when i try and remote into my debian box on putty i get a password prompt and type in the correct password but when i do so it says "Network Error: Software cause connection abort" from a remote system but a system on the same network it connects just fine
16:10<oddto1>i did change the port to 3000
16:13<Woet>'Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdPRNG is not seeded'
16:13<Woet>how to fix?
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16:23<enouf>adema: 2.6.26 use snd_pcsp now
16:23<enouf>adema: remove that module
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16:23<adema>so enouf, i can un-blacklist pcspkr ?
16:24<enouf>adema: it's an alsa thang, or something -- hey abrotman ; want to update the factoid? ;-)
16:24<enouf>abrotman: i would think so - but doesn't hurt to blacklist them both ;-)
16:24<enouf>adema: i meant you
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16:24<adema>ok :p
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16:25<enouf>modprobe -l | grep pcsp :-p
16:25<adema>i use lsmod^^
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16:26<enouf>adema: modprobe -l lists all available, not loaded ;-)
16:26<adema>i didn't know
16:27<adema>and what means "update the factoid" ?
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16:27<enouf>abrotman: the pcspkr issue in .26-1 is related to the newer snd_pcsp.ko module
16:27<abrotman>which factoid?
16:27<enouf>the !bell one
16:27<dpkg>well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell
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16:28<abrotman>dpkg: bell is also for .26 and newer blacklist the snd-pcsp module
16:28<dpkg>okay, abrotman
16:28<dpkg>bell is probably "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer blacklist the snd-pcsp module
16:28<seeker>I am having trouble getting my debian box to see my brother printer which is on my xp box. I have downloaded the deb file from brother and install as per their specs but still can not see it
16:28<enouf>abrotman: heh, shoddy, but it'll do ;-)
16:29<abrotman>dpkg: bell =~ s/blacklist/<blacklist>/
16:29<dpkg>OK, abrotman
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16:31<enouf>dpkg: bell =~ s/<blacklist>/modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist>/
16:31<dpkg>enouf: OK
16:32<abrotman>dude .. that's not going to make sense now
16:33<abrotman>oh .. maybe it will
16:33<enouf> or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module
16:33<enouf>!confuse abrotman
16:33<dpkg>No, those was their weasel today, abrotman? pants of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra crabpaste
16:33<dpkg>well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module
16:33<enouf>adema: fix all your ~/.inputrc mess now too ;-)
16:34<enouf>adema: you can /msg dpkg <factoid> in pm
16:34<adema>i didn't modify inputrc files
16:34<adema>but thx again :)
16:34<enouf>np, that beep is annoying ;-0
16:34<adema>my family can now sleep well
16:35<enouf>adema: just a note; alsamixer has PC Speaker settings (atleast on the sound cards i use)
16:35<seeker>it keeps asking for a ppd file and brother did not have that only deb
16:35<enouf>seeker: cups-* packages? gutenprint?
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16:36<abrotman>damn rain
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16:36<seeker>enouf: I think packages I did not use cups
16:36<enouf>seeker: all i know, is i've seen tons! of those files being updated/installed when i recently upgraded etch (haven't upgraded it in a long long time though)
16:37<Woet>'Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdPRNG is not seeded'
16:37<Woet>how to fix?
16:37<enouf>Setting up cupsys (1.2.7-4etch4) ...
16:37<enouf>Installing new version of config file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf ...
16:37<enouf>Setting up cupsys-driver-gutenprint (5.0.0-3) ...
16:37<enouf>Writing /usr/share/ppd/gutenprint/5.0/en/stp-bjc-30.5.0.ppd.gz...
16:37<seeker>enouf: I try to add new printer and it does not show driver for 5840cn
16:37<enouf>and many more lines like that
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16:38<enouf>Woet: is that etch?
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16:38<enouf>Woet: have you ran a dist-upgrade? (if you haven't do not! unless Etch/Stable are your only lines in sources.list)
16:39<seeker>enoug: so it seems like I should use cups to install so how do I go about doing that
16:39<seeker>enouf: oops sorry about the spelling
16:39<enouf>For OTHERS -- you also must have lines
16:39<enouf>seeker: i'm not sure - i don't print O_o
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16:40<seeker>enouf: could one of your friends help?
16:40<enouf>seeker: i think once installed you configure through http://localhost:631/admin ?
16:40<enouf>seeker: i'm sure someone will chime in if they know something ;-) be patient
16:41<abrotman>enouf: ping!
16:41<abrotman>enouf: ping!
16:41<abrotman>enouf: ping!
16:41<enouf>seeker: there are other channels, but please don't ask simultaneously ;-)
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16:41<enouf>abrotman: er .. ?
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17:03<ukaipa>hi there, could I post a question here?
17:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:06<ukaipa>thx. so here is: I would like to reinstall debian but i'm running over an encrypted system that I made with debian installer itself (dm-crypt). what is the right procedure, as with debian installer you can only create a new encrypted disk and not open an existing one?
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17:08<Cyorxamp>Hi, is there an archive where I can download an ISO of Debian Buzz 1.1
17:09<abrotman>it's source only ..
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17:09<Cyorxamp>abrotman: When did we start doing binary downloads?
17:09<abrotman>start doing what?
17:10<Cyorxamp>i.e. Which release was the first to provide an pre-compiled ISO
17:10<abrotman>does it matter ?
17:10<abrotman>ISO or floppy?
17:10<Cyorxamp>Rex or Bo perhaps?
17:10<abrotman>there are floppies for bo on the archive
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17:11<Cyorxamp>abrotman: which directory are you looking in?
17:11<Cyorxamp>I can't see i
17:12<Cyorxamp>I'll gonna dual boot a Win3.1/95 machine with Debian 1.3 :P
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17:13<Cyorxamp>It's an old 66mhz machine, everything has to be 'old'
17:13<dogsbody>Can I put a CD netinstall image on a DVD and boot it?
17:13<Cyorxamp>Think of it like a classic car :P
17:13<abrotman>i run etch on a 486
17:13<Cyorxamp>Thats not the point
17:13<abrotman>so you just want to be difficult?
17:13<abrotman>and then you're going to ask for support on it
17:13<Cyorxamp>No... I've told you the reason
17:13<Cyorxamp>and I know its unsupported
17:13<abrotman>that's a horrible reason
17:14<abrotman>etch works on a 486 DX2/66 .. i have proof here
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17:14<Cyorxamp>I just want a PC that acts (in all respects) like it did circa 1996
17:14<Cyorxamp>hardware and software
17:15<abrotman>then you're using the wrong distro .. try the buzz .. that'd be from 96
17:16<Cyorxamp>bo will suffice, at least it is the same major version
17:16<Cyorxamp>can't be bothered compile it
17:16<dogsbody>Does anyone know if a CD netinstall image will boot on a DVD?
17:16<Cyorxamp>and it's still pre-win98
17:16<abrotman>dogsbody: it should
17:16<abrotman>Cyorxamp: actually .. it's not
17:16<abrotman>!release history
17:16<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. Squeeze comes after Lenny. See also <>.
17:16<miksuh>dogsbody: yes it does
17:16<abrotman>oh .. barely
17:16<dogsbody>abrotman: thanks
17:17<Cyorxamp>win98 was released before 1st May 1997?
17:17<abrotman>i said .. oh barely
17:17<dogsbody>miksuh thanks
17:17<abrotman>win98 came out a year later IIRC
17:17<Cyorxamp>ah that was to me
17:17<Cyorxamp>yeah March 18th 1998
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17:19<Cyorxamp>abrotman: It's not as silly as it seems if your sentemental about the past :P
17:19<Cyorxamp>And I'd love to explore how far we have come in terms of Debian
17:19<blarson>I still wonder what happend to the 1901 relases between windows 98 and windows 2000. Aparently none of them made it out of alpha.
17:19<Cyorxamp>abrotman: why are you here? really? you always got an attitude?
17:19<abrotman>Cyorxamp: why are you always doing silly things?
17:20<Cyorxamp>I'm not
17:20<abrotman>Cyorxamp: if you really have a 486/66 .. you'd probably have win3.11 and you'd have to use slackware
17:20*abrotman thinks slackware was around before debian
17:20<abrotman>or yggdrasil
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17:20<Cyorxamp>why would I have to use slackware?
17:20<Cyorxamp>when there is bo
17:20<abrotman>because there was no debian when your toy PC 66Mhz was released
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17:21<Cyorxamp>you mean when I first purchased is 5th November 1995
17:21<Cyorxamp>according to the records... debian DID exist then
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17:21<miksuh>dogsbody: One thing. I had some problems with latest Debian Lenny netinst image. I burned it to cd using two different computers. It burned just fine but I could not make it boot on any of my computers
17:21<Cyorxamp>since August 16th 1993 in fact
17:21<miksuh>dogsbody: if you have that problem then try business card version of netinst image
17:21<abrotman>which release?
17:22<miksuh>it worked jut fine here
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17:22<KnuckOne>i've a 486dx66 running bo ;)
17:22<Cyorxamp>abrotman: The Debian distribution was first announced by Ian Murdock, then a student at Purdue University. Murdock initially called his system the "Debian Linux Release"
17:22<dogsbody>Does anyone know if a CD netinstall image will boot on a DVmiksuh: I had a similar problem, but I thought ia64 stood for Intel/Amd not Itanium
17:22<abrotman>Cyorxamp: and which version did he release on that date?
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17:23<abrotman>bah .. i don't care .. waste your time
17:23<Cyorxamp>beats me, this information is off Wikipedia
17:23<dogsbody>miksuh: I had a similar problem, but I thought ia64 stood for Intel/Amd not Itanium
17:23<Cyorxamp>hurrah he stops!
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17:23<dogsbody>miksuh: I will use stable, thanks
17:23<abrotman>because you'll never realize your own silly ways
17:23<abrotman>it's like talking to Nyle
17:24<Cyorxamp>And you'll never realise how unnessacerily confrontational you are to people
17:24<abrotman>when they do silly things?
17:25<Cyorxamp>It's not silly, and thats only your view
17:25<abrotman>i even helped you .. very confrontational of me .. you're right
17:25<Cyorxamp>For the goal I am trying to achieve... this is the way
17:25<abrotman>i showed you exactly which was the first one you could install
17:25<abrotman>i'm such a horrible person
17:25<Cyorxamp>Oh I'm not debating you helped
17:25<abrotman>then quit whining
17:25<Cyorxamp>Your just being such an ass about it at the same time
17:25<abrotman>and you're?
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17:26<abrotman>you're wasting your time .. have fun
17:26<Cyorxamp>I will
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17:27<abrotman>too bad i can't link you to the installation manual .. you'll need it
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17:28<Cyorxamp>Sometimes you are comical when your this arrogant and I roll with it, however this time your just annoying
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17:29<abrotman>i'm just saying you'll probably want to reference the manual if you can find it .. debian wasn't nearly as easy to install then as it is now
17:29<Cyorxamp>The first time was an accident, every subsequent time I'm putting it there to prove my point
17:29<Cyorxamp>And you go right for it
17:29<abrotman>you act like i care
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17:30<Cyorxamp>abrotman: You act like I should care about your pointless anecdotes
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17:30<abrotman>then put me on ignore and wait for someone else to help you
17:30<Cyorxamp>I'm not that petty
17:31<abrotman>then quit whining .. say thank you .. and go play with Bo
17:31<Cyorxamp>I won't thank someone like you
17:31<abrotman>have a nice day
17:32<Cyorxamp>At least not today
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17:33<ukaipa>I would like to reinstall debian but i'm running over an encrypted system that I made with debian installer itself (dm-crypt). what is the right procedure, as with debian installer you can only create a *new* encrypted disk and not open an existing one?
17:33<dpkg>methinks saturday is Tardsday Eve
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17:34<myweb>I want buy server with MEGARAID SAS 8204ELP raid controller, does it support by debian ethc?
17:35<abrotman>do you have the PCI ID?
17:35<abrotman>or do you know when support was added to the kernel?
17:36*abrotman almost did a colonel ..
17:36<myweb>I have not PCI ID
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17:37<abrotman>1000:3002 .. it would seem
17:37<Cyorxamp>and dreamlinux is not a fork :P
17:38<vook>I can't help but agree with you amphi. It may in fact be tardsday itself.
17:39<amphi>vook: in some TZs, it indubitably is ;)
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17:40<abrotman>myweb: i don't see support for it in a .26 kernel .. i can't imagine etch has it
17:40<amphi>the terminator races around the earth, bring tardsday in its train
17:41<abrotman>where is superman .. he can make time to backwards!
17:42<Cyorxamp>amphi: Do we get baloons and cake?
17:42<miksuh>I don't know about Bo. When I started in 1998 Debian was quite easy to install already, well atlöeast compared to NetBeans I used before that :)
17:42<myweb>abrotman: it`s meen that if I configure Raid 1 on bios, Debian will see 2 HDD?
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17:43<abrotman>myweb: all i can tell you is try it .. it may not see it at all
17:43<abrotman>oh .. you didn't buy it yet
17:43<abrotman>it seems that there is a RH driver for it
17:43<amphi>Cyorxamp: eh?
17:43<miksuh>I intalled Debian on my Amiga in 1998 :) that was my first debian experience and I have been using debian since then :)
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17:44<miksuh>Maybe I'll try to install debian on my Amiga 1200 afain some day, just for fun :) m68k is still supoorted, but PCI-busboard on my A1200 is not supported by Linux...
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17:45<miksuh>damn typos
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17:46<miksuh>Eh?? What i sayd?? NetBeans should ofcourse be NetBSD :D
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17:48<miksuh>NetBeans is jave ide not OS :)
17:48<abrotman>you don't say :)
17:49<miksuh>abrotman: heh
17:49<miksuh>maybe it's a bit too late, time to go to sleep :)
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17:51<GroteSmurf>hi. I had a full /usr dir and moved it to another partition using Knoppix. The disk it is on is mounted on /space4. However I cannot symlink /usr to /space4/usr for some reason
17:51<GroteSmurf>hmm. Silly me. Made a typo
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17:52<vook>that isn't really a good practice GroteSmurf, to have /usr be a symlink.
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17:54<qq->miksuh: you may ask on debian-68k about PCI-bus board support
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17:55<miksuh>qq: I think Elbox has not released specs for it, atleast that was the situation few years ago
17:55<miksuh>Elbox Mediator PCI-busboard
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17:56<qq->i know nothing about , so sorry
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17:57<qq->but there may have more sure informations
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18:01<xerces8>If anyone is bored, has experiance with netcat, is behind NAT and is willing to do some simple but fun network experiments, plase join me in #netexp
18:02<miksuh>qq: offtopic, but it's board like this :) I have just older model.
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18:04<buko>I have a newbie question. I've got Debian 4.0r0, so to get 4.0r4 I should "apt-get dist upgrade" ?
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18:04<dmoerner>buko: aptitude dist-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade. make sure you have a hyphen between dist and upgrade. aptitude is preferred to apt-get in etch.
18:05<buko>why's that?
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18:06<buko>aptitude has all these menus and stuff, but does it work better under the hood?
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18:06<themill>!why aptitude
18:06<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
18:07<themill>buko: ^^ you can use aptitude just from the command line without all the menus etc if you want
18:08<buko>ok then, thanks
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18:08<qq->miksuh: thanks for info, sorry not entering 68k channel ,,,
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18:38<lemartin>alguien me ayuda a configurar mumble-server en gutsy kubuntu
18:38<dmoerner>dpkg: tell lemartin about ubuntu
18:38<dmoerner>lemartin: #ubuntu-es on freenode
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18:39<lemartin>lo instalo pero no puedo ejecutarlo
18:40<lemartin>el paquete es debian
18:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:44<angasule_>it's sad that the only way to view thumbnails *and* rename a folder is using gwenview, kde 3.5.9 is not an improvement :(
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18:53<ike>uhm, why cant two programs use /dev/video0 ?
18:54<ike>can i cheat?
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18:55<LinuxTracker[1715]>May i ask a ?
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18:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:17<superme>hi every one ! lenny/sid 2.6.26 on eeepc. Problem to resize jfs file system. I tryed with parted wich says me it does not to do it now, and fdisk wich warn me that i can't resize the filesystem type. I'm reading now a notice a bit old about JFS can not be resize on 2.6.* ( ? ) any idea to do it ?
19:17<ryry37>I was wondering if anyone else has run into the same problem I have. On a fresh install of Lenny, the xorg ATI drivers don't seem to work properly. I do not have this problem in Etch, and my video card is a Radeon 9200. Here's the thing if I, for example, open Synaptic and open the menus xorg will crash. The keyboard is unresponsive but I can still SSH into the machine. Any suggestions?
19:19<ike^>ryry37, the flglrx ?
19:19<superme>ryry37: did you installed the good driver ?
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19:23<ryry37>The video driver I'm using is the xserver-xorg-video-ati Also it is worth noting that the proprietary driver from ATI cannot be installed on the new version of xorg
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19:39<dmoerner>ryry37: what do you mean? fglrx builds fine against sid and lenny
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19:42<ike^>sooo. any suggestions what we do in 30 years?
19:42<ike^>and three months
19:42<ike^>four sorry
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19:43<MU>Alguem ai ??
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19:44<superme>ike^: it's 1220744636 now ... can we know ?
19:44<MU>tem alguem ai ??
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19:44<MU>or favor
19:44<MU>por favor
19:44<MU>me passa
19:44<MU>o servidor
19:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:45<ryry37>when I try to install the driver; I get the error "X Server: unable to detect" On the download page for the driver, it doesn't say that it supports xorg 7.3
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19:45<ike^>superme, donno, messing with time timezone pushed everything an hour forward, but
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19:45<dmoerner>ryry37: are you you using m-a? and 8.8 definitely supports 7.3
19:46<ike^>i dont really think that helps much since gifs woulnt even work going into 2038
19:46<ike^>i think
19:46<ike^>i may be wrong
19:47<superme>ike^: mmmh .... what a philosophy question ... well, let back to the future and ask to Doc Brant !
19:48<ryry37>dmoerner: the only version of the driver is 8.28.8
19:48<ike^>friggin great idea
19:48<ike^>i'll drive!
19:48<dmoerner>ryry37: are you on etch? 8.28.8 is ancient
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19:49<ryry37>dmoerner: that's the only version for download on ATIs site
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19:49<BoBo>i have a problem with iptables
19:49<BoBo>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory
19:50<BoBo>iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?)
19:50<BoBo>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
19:50<dmoerner>ryry37: for 9200 ati xorg driver should have full support with 3d anyway
19:50<ike^>your ipt_filter modules arent loaded, dont remember the exact name
19:50<ike^>then again
19:50<ike^>it seems to be more broken then not loaded
19:51<BoBo>how resolv it ?
19:51<ike^>try modprobe iptable_filter
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19:51<ryry37>dmoerner: that's what I thought, but little things like pop-down menus and even once clicking a link in Iceweasel was enough to cause the crash
19:52<BoBo>modprobe iptable_filter
19:52<BoBo>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory
19:52<ike^>update your kernel
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19:53<BoBo>how what command i dont have x
19:53<BoBo>i have console
19:53<ike^>apt-get update and dist-upgrade , might want to add testing to /etc/apt/source.list
19:54<amphi>BoBo: you could run 'depmod -a' as root, for a start; that should generate modules.dep
19:54<ike^>or you could get a new kernel from and copy /boot/2.6.18.config to /usr/src/linux2.6x/.config
19:56<ike^>i like amphi's suggestion :>
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19:56<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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19:59<deco>last lenny have a bug in the kernel!!
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20:00<amphi>deco: ye ghods!! what?
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20:00<deco>the last lenny for my laptop :)
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20:01<amphi>what is the bug?
20:01<deco>have a bug :(
20:01<BoBo>amphi dont work :(
20:01<qq->BoBo: uname -r , does what ?
20:01<BoBo>FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory
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20:02<qq-> hmmm , /modules.dep.temp
20:02<amphi>BoBo: /lib/modules/2.6.18 exists? ;)
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20:03<BoBo>not exist
20:03<BoBo>is emty
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20:03<BoBo>this directori
20:04<ike^>maybe you should try getting the kernel-headers ?
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20:04<amphi>BoBo: that is not good - you should reinstall the kernel pacakge IMHO
20:04<BoBo>but how get a now kernel
20:04<BoBo>apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 ?
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20:05<amphi>BoBo: what is currently installed?
20:05<ike^>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 eg - or k7
20:06<amphi>BoBo: dpkg -l kernel\*
20:06<ike^>-4 isnt the lateast
20:06<ike^>-6 seems to be
20:06<client>i get a error "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." when i run certain system admin things such as network tools
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20:08<qq->client: what exactly ?
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20:09<client>qq, i first found out about hteproblem when trying to run network tools, but it also happens with other admin apps like "services"
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20:10<deco>how to up my wlan0??
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20:10<ike^>deco, ifup wlan0 perhaps?
20:10<client>qq- aslso when i try to open shared folders
20:10<ike^>but you need wireless-tools and such
20:11<deco>Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0
20:11<deco>say this
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20:12<ike^>get the wireless-tools package deco
20:12<ike^>then you can start configuring your wlan
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20:12<qq->client: what said "id" , paste here the output
20:13<deco>ike, can you give me repositores for this wireless-tools?
20:13<client>uid=1000(client) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),104(netdev),110(powerdev)
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20:13<qq->client: so not root
20:13<ike^>deco, hum, arent they in stable? :S again, add testing and if your feeling frisky unstable to your /etc/apt/source.list
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20:14<client>qq-, i do get problem as root as well
20:14<ike^>i use unstable here and have next to no problems
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20:14<ike^>you might want to add testing first, then update
20:14<qq->client: i don't beleave
20:15<deco>yes I know ike^
20:15<ike^>cause adding unstable right to a stable one blows the package buffer or what the heck it was, and i cant remember what file
20:15<BoBo>now i have 2.6.18-6
20:15<deco>but lookup
20:15<BoBo>in /lib/modules
20:15<client>qq-, i've tried using run command with option "run as root" and i get the same error
20:15<deco>| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
20:15<deco>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
20:15<deco>||/ Nombre Versión Descripción
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20:15<martinah>hi. how do I change the hash algorithm used by my system in shadow(5)? I am using so glibc is new enough to support sha-{256,512}..
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20:15<s3a>you know when you have to do apt-get install perl-base before you do apt-get dist-upgrade? well does anyone know if the graphical update mechanism takes care of perl if you keep your sources.list to stable instead of the codename of the version you're using?
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20:17<qq->client: put here the exact command you typed
20:17<simonrvn>!tell deco -about paste
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20:18<deco>i have a wireless-tools, now how to up my wlan0 ?
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20:18<ike^>deco, try iwlist scan
20:18<ike^>and pray your modules are there
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20:18<qq->client: bash: network-admin: command not found
20:18<deco>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
20:19<amphi>BoBo: now you should have the modules you need, I hope
20:19<amphi>BoBo: or you will, when you boot the new kernel
20:19<amphi>deco: bring up the iface first; thats a mac80211 thing, IIRC
20:20<BoBo>amphi need reboot now ?
20:20<amphi>BoBo: if you installed a new kernel, yes
20:21<ike^>speaking about reboots, how do i change kernels on the fly , i noticed that was a feature in a kernel here the other month year what ever
20:21<amphi>kexec - I've not tried it
20:21<ike^>i'll try that someday
20:21<amphi>martinah: what was it?
20:22<deco>amphi, in the file interfaces did you?
20:22<martinah>martinah: I wanted to know how to globally change the hash algorithm used for passwords in shadow(5)
20:22<martinah>amphi: ^^^
20:22<amphi>deco: just use 'ifconfig whatever up' & then do 'iwlist whatever scan'
20:22<amphi>martinah: I know not ;)
20:23<martinah>amphi: I am using lenny and thus glibc 2.7, which supports sha-{256,512} in crypt(3)
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20:23<martinah>I don't trust md5 anymore. and I want to use passwords >8 bytes
20:24<s3a>you know when you have to do apt-get install perl-base before you do apt-get dist-upgrade? well does anyone know if the graphical update mechanism takes care of perl if you keep your sources.list to stable instead of the codename of the version you're using?
20:24<martinah>I'm a bit baffled by the fact that this isn't a FAQ. makes me think that it's extremely easy to switch and I am just too dumb to figure it out :(
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20:25<ike^>dont worry, your not alone =)
20:25<amphi>martinah: a little manpage scanning suggests login.defs(5) may be what you're after
20:25<martinah>amphi: looks promissing indeed! thanks!
20:26<ike^>theres something in /etc/ssh/sshd
20:26<martinah>ike^: what does ssh have to do with this?
20:26<martinah>ssh doesn't handle logins.
20:26<ike^>but tbh i have no idea what a Ciphers
20:26<martinah>at least not when passwords are used
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20:27<martinah>also, when authenticating, other algorithms already work, since the algorithm used is encoded in the password string in shadow(5)
20:27<martinah>it's more about what tools like passwd(1) use when creating new passwords
20:27<ike^>theres something in /etc/login.defs too but
20:28<martinah>yeah, that's what amphi just pointed me to :)
20:28<ike^># Only used if ENCRYPT_METHOD is set to SHA256 or SHA512.
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20:30<martinah>ENCRYPT_METHOD SHA256
20:30<martinah>didn't change anything. passwd(1) still created a md5 hash when changing the password for my user
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20:31<ike^>but is sha256 even safe anymore?
20:31<ike^>i read somewhere that the entire method might be unsafe, but the cryptologist might just have been smoking pot
20:31<martinah>safer than md5 ^^
20:32<martinah>also, it allows passwords to be significant bexond the 8th byte
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20:33<ike^>mh, i'd go with sha512 if sha tho
20:33<amphi>mine are here by default, AFAICS
20:33<martinah>you're probably right
20:34<martinah>doesn't change the fact that it didn't work though. but I found an option to pam_unix to set the algo
20:34<martinah>maybe I have to use that too
20:34<ike^>and why the heck not go with 999999999 sha round while your at it ^^
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20:34<ike^>why does that option make me think it'll take minutes to log on?
20:35<amphi>"# Note: It is recommended to use a value consistent with the PAM modules configuration." - a dry understatement? ;)
20:35<martinah>ah, yes, that works
20:35<martinah>thanks guys :)
20:36<martinah>you helped make a paranoid lady a bit happier ;-)
20:36<amphi>o frabjous day!
20:36<ike^>o joy, thank you btw, i was unaware
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20:37<martinah>shouldn't work in etch though
20:37<martinah>according to the manpage, support for sha-{256,512} was only added to glibc in 2.7
20:37<deco>amphi, auto wlan0
20:37<deco>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
20:37<deco>in file interfaces
20:37<deco>DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 19
20:37<deco>send_packet: Network is down
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20:38<martinah>heh, wasn't he just kicked because of flooding a few minutes ago? :)
20:38<ike^>he doesnt learn does he
20:38<martinah>ah, yes he was 8)
20:38<ike^>wireless can be a bloody pain tho
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20:38<ike^>deco, iwlist scan
20:38<Cyorxamp>Lo if someones 'apache' line (e.g. on a 404) has "DAV/2 SVN/1.4.2" - which package have they installed? and is it to add WebDAV support I'm guessing?
20:39<amphi>on ipw2200 I could scan with the iface down, but it seems with mac80211 you must bring it up first
20:39<Cyorxamp>actually that may be two things
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20:39<ike^>then add the appropriate stuff to the interfaces file. man wireless i think it was will point you in the right direction
20:39<deco>same, network is down
20:39<amphi>deco: probably not associated
20:39<amphi>deco: you set the essid in interfaces?
20:39<deco>i think so!
20:39<martinah>or just use network-manager
20:39*martinah ducks
20:40<amphi>deco: you use some sort of crypto?
20:40<ike^>if its wpa im out
20:40<ike^>i nearly tossed my screen out the window last time i tried
20:40<amphi>martinah: does it work? I've heard much wailing from that quarter
20:40<martinah>I have no problems whatsoever
20:40<martinah>and I do use wpa
20:41<amphi>martinah: can it do ad-hoc also?
20:41<martinah>no idea, never tried
20:41<amphi>when I last looked at gui things, none of them seemed to be able to do ad-hoc
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20:41<ike^>oh, well i was pretty stuck so, was either wireless or nothing... cabled network refused to work at all, even with a pcmcia card no way
20:41<ike^>stupid notebook
20:42<ike^>not even in *uckdows
20:42*amphi has an old 8139 cardbus card somewhere
20:42<martinah>since b43 became reasonable stable, I really like my powerbook :)
20:42<martinah>before that, I hated its guts ;)
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20:42<amphi>iwl4965 is working ok these days too
20:42<amphi>even the blinkenlight blinketh
20:43<amphi>and the rf_kill switch killeth, which is more irritating
20:43<martinah>nothing better than watchen ze blinkenlichten :)
20:43<deco>mine is: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
20:43*ike^ wonders if there is firefox for m68k debian
20:43<amphi>deco: which driver are you using? ipw3945 or iwl3845?
20:44<amphi>deco: the latter needs some hideous 'obedience daemon' or some such IIRC
20:44<amphi>er, the former, that is
20:44<qq->ike^: just ask on #debian-68k
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20:44<ike^>i'll worry my little head about it when i get the 060
20:45<qq->aha ...
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20:45<ike^>no point in running it on a stock amiga 1200
20:45<deco>dont installed
20:45<ike^>or a broken a4000
20:45<amphi>deco: eh?
20:46<qq->ike^: sure ...
20:46<amphi>deco: perhaps #debian-es would be better?
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20:47<deco>you know more!
20:47<amphi>just a thought
20:47<qq->deco: amphi speak es too ;)
20:48<deco>in -es little help
20:48<amphi>¡pero no!
20:48<ike^>ariba ariba!
20:48<deco>es arriba
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20:49<amphi>deco: so, which driver are you using?
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20:49<deco>I just install the lenny, the wireless interface only is down
20:50<amphi>deco: ifconfig -a shows the interface?
20:50<ike^>ipw3945d - Binary userspace regulatory daemon for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG cards
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20:51<amphi>he shouldn't need that horror
20:51<amphi>!tell deco -about iwlwifi
20:51<amphi>deco: have you installed the firmware for iwl3945?
20:52<deco>amphi, no!
20:52<ike^>you could perhaps use ndiswrapper too
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20:52<amphi>deco: a grievous error ;)
20:52<ike^>but last time i tried i had to get a new kernel and compile ndiswrapper from source
20:52<amphi>ike^: sshhh
20:53<ike^>bluetooth wireless and tvcard stuff is a pain in the sitting mechanism the first time
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20:54<amphi>it's been easy on the intel cards I've used
20:55<amphi>meant building out of tree drivers sometimes, but nothing worse
20:55<qq->deco: add " contrib non-free" to sources list , tho
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20:55<qq->well make sure to add ...
20:56<deco>yes, do you have a repositores for my lenny ?
20:56<ike^>hehe, amphi i have a broadcom thingie here that required some of that firmware love...
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20:56<ike^>i'll rather bounce trough hell on a pogo stick then do that again
20:56<amphi>qq-: iwconfig shows the iface, just not associated - essid ""
20:56<amphi>ike^: you have to do some snippage for that, ISTR?
20:57<ike^>i had to get the windows drivers, extract the firmware from them, use some iffy fwbcom thinie stuff it all in /etc/firmware and pray
20:57<ike^>i didnt pray hard enough
20:57<ike^>what the heck is a istr btw
20:58<dpkg>somebody said istr was I seem to recall/remember
20:58<qq->amphi: oh , i see
20:58<amphi>qq-: an impromptu /query has occurred ;)
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20:59<qq->amphi: yes
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21:01<ike^>last time i checked, firmware was something that was stuffed into an eeprom and bolted on to the pcb ... apparently thats changed
21:02<qq->so each new user maybe counted ...
21:02<amphi>ike^: now it seems it's loaded onto devices when they're fired up, quite a lot
21:03<Quill0>firmware is a term, doesn't mean its always stored on a chip
21:03<Quill0>or Is
21:03<Quill0>I don't know
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21:06<qq->maybe now it is splited half on chip, half on site vendor ...
21:07<qq->or maybe only validation key is on site ...
21:07<ike^>who ever came up with that idea should be forced to work off near dead floppies for the rest of his life
21:08<amphi>I need an ameliorated fw for my dvd drive
21:09<ike^>given that vendors all have different ways of configuring their stuff, that device of mine used a broadcom chip but was made by some other weird company and no matter what i threw at it linux wouldnt work with it
21:09<amphi>broadcom is a known PITA
21:10<dpkg>i guess pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :)
21:10<ike^>bitch? pussy?
21:10<amphi>well worth avoiding, from what I hear
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21:10<ike^>i can confirm that
21:10<alex__>whois alex__
21:11<amphi>intel (2200 & 4965) have worked nicely for me
21:11<amphi>who indeed?
21:11<ike^>pita means something else in spanish or whatever
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21:11<ike^>i think
21:12<amphi>it's a fairly common ETLA on irc
21:12<dpkg>from memory, etla is Extended TLA
21:12<dpkg>hmm... tla is Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. <see arch>
21:13<dpkg>methinks arch is a source control revision system that developers can use to develop projects in a distributed fashion. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at, or, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead.
21:15<amphi>ETLA is Extended Three Letter Acronym ;)
21:16<amphi>oh, the bot already vouchsafed that
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21:26<qq->hmm , i don't see nothing about arch on , would you dpkg ?
21:26<qq->dpkg :^^^
21:26<dpkg>qq-: I give up, what is it?
21:27<qq->your !arch link ...
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21:31<ike^>oh well, bye g'nite , time for my daily bluetooth related x11 restart ;\ it doesnt like it when i stuff the charger into the headset
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21:37<deco>amphi, thats ok!!
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21:39<amphi>deco: it works now?
21:39<deco>amphi only iwlwifi :D :D
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21:42<deco>now i gonna eat!!
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22:04<superme>hi everyone ! I come back with my jfs problem : lenny/sid 2.6.26 eeepc 701, 2 JFS partitions, try to resize the 1st after erase the 2nd, tryed parted -does not know manage JFS (a error msg printed)-, fdisk too, same problem, and used "mount -o remount, resize <values> <volume>", but w/o succes.
22:06*amphi has not used jfs
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22:20<h2-gw>what's the command to find what package an app belongs to, lspci in this case?
22:25<amphi>apt-file or dpkg -S
22:27<h2-gw>oh, good, I always forget this one, thanks
22:28<h2-gw>perfect, thanks
22:28<h2-gw>for some reason I think apt-cache has that option
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22:38<rjent>how do I reference a git account for others to clone from on
22:38<abrotman>rjent: #alioth ?
22:39<rjent>abrotman: thanks
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22:49<blitz\away>how do i turn off the pc speaker beeps on x startting up and whenever i press tab :/
22:49<superme>blitz\away: same question ! (and shutdown too)
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22:59<cbn>xset b off
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23:04<cbn>modprobe -r pcspkr
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23:16<cTATUK>Anyone know where I can get modern nvidia binary driver .deb packages for Debian Etch?
23:17<piper>why not just go to nvidia's site and download the driver and install
23:18<blarson>!tell cTATUK about nvidia
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23:18<abrotman>!tell cTATUK about nvidia one-liner
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23:19*piper is running GLX Version 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.70
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23:20<piper>with kernel 2.6.26-3.slh.4
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23:23<KnuckOne>blitz\away, you can even put the line in /etc/init.d/rc.local :)
23:23<dpkg>hello, chuy_max
23:24<blitz\away>KnuckOne: is rc.local executed before or after x starts?
23:24<KnuckOne>after afaik
23:24<blitz\away>ah ok
23:25<KnuckOne>to check it just ls /etc/rc2.d if you start at runlevel 2
23:25<KnuckOne>i don't use a DM so i can't check it here
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23:26<blitz\away>thx :]
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23:27<cTATUK>stuff crashed >.>
23:27<Supaplex>apt-get install --reinstall stuff-2.0
23:28<cTATUK>gnome panels have been crashing a lot randomly lately
23:28<Supaplex>that /has/ to be a feature.
23:28<cTATUK>like for example say iceweasel freezes on some crap javascript or flash page ..
23:28<cTATUK>and i `killall -9 firefox-bin`
23:28<cTATUK>...all my gnome panels crash and restart
23:29<cTATUK>also blarson/abrotman..those just tell me how to install the non-free nvidia packages in the etch repo
23:30<cTATUK>those are too old for something i'm trying to do, that's why i'm looking for newer etch packages
23:30<cTATUK>cause i'd like to avoid the whole maunal-compile from drivers
23:30<KnuckOne>use the drivers from nvidia then... it's very easy to install
23:30<piper>why compile
23:30<cTATUK>look what i just said :)
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23:31<cTATUK>specifically... the latest (8776) nvidia driver in the etch repo don't have texture_from_pixmap support
23:31<cTATUK>which is needed by compiz-fusion
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23:31<cTATUK>and..there's nothing on
23:32<cTATUK>i guess i'll just use m-a
23:32<KnuckOne>cTATUK, just (as root) apt-get install module-assistant && m-a update && m-a prepare && sh ./
23:32<cTATUK>heh thanks
23:33<KnuckOne>(just don't forget to shut X down)
23:33<cTATUK>i've compiled nvidia drivers dozens of times ;)
23:33<KnuckOne>and it worked ?
23:33<cTATUK>i used to run slackware and i would recompile to the latest kernel anytime a release was made on
23:33<cTATUK>lol yes
23:33<piper>etch is ancient, download the driver and install cd /usr/src
23:34<cTATUK>it would just be nice to have a binary etch package that has texture_from_pixmap support
23:34<KnuckOne>so don't change things that work ;)
23:34<cTATUK>not even asking for the latest
23:34<cTATUK>just want texture_from_pixmap support so compiz-fusion can work out of box
23:34<piper>well do that with whatever one you want
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23:38<cTATUK>i suppose next time the kernel is updates so will nvidia-glx
23:39<KnuckOne>yes you will need to reinstall the driver each time xorg/kernel is updated
23:39<cTATUK>but my question is
23:39<cTATUK>what if i simply want to uninstall?
23:39<cTATUK>how can i uninstall the nvidia driver?
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23:40<KnuckOne>ah ... there is a --uninstall switch
23:41<KnuckOne>just like ./ --uninstall
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23:56<ejecutor>Hola gente
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