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---Logopened Wed Sep 17 00:00:30 2008
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00:00<gord>I was using just '>'
00:00<JRHartley>gord: "strace -eopen someprog 2> MYTRACE" is good too
00:01<gord>it should be safe to chown everything in my home directory to me, correct?
00:01<gord>program settings etc
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00:01<SledgY>gord: it's not already chowned to you?
00:01<gord>apparently some of it isn't
00:02<gord>bang. iceweasel is up and running
00:02<gord> /facepalm
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00:03<SledgY>heh did you run it as a root user?
00:03<gord>I have no idea what I did. It was last night, followed by many hours of studying
00:04<gord>I have fixed it though, thanks twb for suggesting strace, I didn't know about that useful program
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00:24<gord>audacious' search function doesnt return any results and installing rhythmbox from repos requires around 400mb in dependencies. I'm looking for something rhythmbox-like but preferably something that wont take 3 hours to download
00:25<gord>I've never been satisfied by winamp-like media players. I have a lot of music
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02:29<MadHag>how can I tell what version of Debian I am running?
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02:30<blarson>MadHag: cat /etc/debian_version
02:30<MadHag>I have it
02:31<MadHag>I opened system monitor and it tells you under the system tab :)
02:31<MadHag>thanks for the command
02:31<MadHag>Lenny :)
02:32<MadHag>does not see al my memory just 885mb of 3gb?
02:34<SledgY>MadHag: cat /proc/meminfo
02:34<SledgY>Look for MemTotal
02:35<MadHag>I have 3gb
02:35<twb>Or just run "free"
02:35<MadHag>free -m
02:35<twb>MadHag: ooh, thanks
02:36<MadHag>whats causing that?
02:36<MadHag>free -g works too
02:36<MadHag>but you get small results :)
02:36<twb>MadHag: maybe he's on a 16 bit CPU.
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02:36<MadHag>who lenny
02:37<MadHag>64bit here
02:37<twb>whoever can't see >885MB
02:37<MadHag>not sure what the solution is though
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02:37<MadHag>maybe a reboot I just installed and updated
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02:40<MadHag>nope for some reason its not seeing all my memory, just 885mb of 3gb
02:41<MadHag>maybe I should try the 64bit Lenny
02:41<twb>MadHag: you should also check your BIOS for retardedness.
02:42<twb>Your motherboard documentation probably also tells you to populate RAM slots in a particular order. Doing what is says is advisable.
02:42<twb>(Personally I've never seen a difference on a consumer board, but YMMV.)
02:42<MadHag>maybe, but I have never had a probem before with etch or ubuntu
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02:46<jm_>MadHag: you need bigmem kernel
02:46<MadHag>downloading the netinstall for amd64 will try that
02:46<jm_>no need
02:46<MadHag>ah, it just downloaded a new kernel
02:47<MadHag>aborting download
02:48<enouf>MadHag: a -686 kernel over a -486 one should resolve that 8xxMB issue
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02:49<MadHag>is there an apt-get I dont see it in synaptic
02:49<enouf>apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image | grep 686
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02:51<MadHag>got a big list
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02:52<MadHag>amd64 here, list leans to pentium a lot
02:53<MadHag>linux-image-2.6-xen-686 - Linux 2.6 image on i686
02:54<MadHag>is there a repo I can add to synaptic so I can choose a kernel from there?
02:55<MadHag>I have it
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02:55<MadHag>installing image for amd64 2.6 and will see what happens
02:56<MadHag>if that fails I will go for the bigmem
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03:01<MadHag>Mem: 3025
03:01<MadHag>sorted, thanks
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03:15<philsf>will layer7 ever get into debian? anyone knows why it's not available as a package?
03:15<MadHag>what is it
03:15<philsf>patch for iptables to filter based on protocol
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03:16<jm_>philsf: file a request then
03:17<philsf>sorry, that's wrong. it's a set of packages for both the kernel and userspace utils, including iptables
03:17<jm_>shouldn't be too hard to package user space variant
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03:28<dpkg>well, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
03:28<MadHag>!non-free sources
03:28<dpkg>i guess non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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03:40<thenetduck>can someone help me load a module into my kernel for ubuntu? I haven't done this before and am not sure what I should/shouldn't be doing
03:40<thenetduck>crap wrong server
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03:44<clarence>Development of the people not met each other, and that is how to complete the debian?
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03:55<krisg>how can i block smtp? when i type netstats i see a lot of smtp from others ip ><
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03:58<jm_>krisg: firewall
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03:59<krisg>thnx, but is there any command?
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04:00<philsf>krisg: iptables -A INPUT -s <ip to block> --dport 25 -j DROP
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04:01<krisg>what to put in <ip to block> to block all ip?
04:01<jm_>you can skip -s <ip> and it will block all attempts
04:01<stew>--dport doesn't work with out -p tcp (or -p udp which you don't want)
04:01<philsf>1- you can use CIDR masks, 2- you can omit the -s part, and just --dport 25 -j DROP
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04:02<krisg>iptables -A INPUT --dport 25 -j DROP?
04:03<philsf>stew is right: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP
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04:04*philsf wished iptables allowed rules for both tcp and udp simultaneously, like ipchains
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04:05<krisg>it looks worked
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04:06<krisg>mail spamming vps><
04:07<philsf>krisg: is it a desktop box?
04:07<krisg>i paid , to tunnel a game world of warcraft
04:07<krisg>then i lag
04:07<philsf>krisg: you should add --syn, unless you're already using ESTABILISHED/RELATED
04:08<philsf>otherwise, you won't be able to make smtp connections if you want
04:08<krisg>yea i dont need smtp ^^
04:08<krisg>the command has lessen the smtp when i type netstat
04:09<philsf>those connections will soon timeout
04:09<krisg> iptables -A INPUT --syn -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP ? like this?
04:09<philsf>this will block incoming connections, but not incoming packages from connections you start
04:10<philsf>you can use this command for any tcp protocol you like, changing the port number
04:10<krisg>iptables -A INPUT --syn -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP isnt working
04:11<philsf>that's because --syn is before -p tcp
04:11<philsf>didn't notice earlier
04:12<krisg>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP --syn
04:12<krisg>worked thnx
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04:13<krisg>thnx for the help!
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04:26<candido>Hi, ( lenny/amd64/gnome): I have received from lenny a warning about kernel bug. The message advice me about a diagnostic mail to KERNELOOPS. How can i now what is wrong?
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04:36<jm_>candido: can you be more specific?
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04:38<Flakk>Hi people I am installing etch on my notebook and come across the following message: the swap partition which was found in uswsusp's configuration is not active. In most cases it means that you will need to choose another partition. ---- Still I made three partitions root swap and home, and said to th installer that the swap is swap - what should I do now??
04:40<jm_>Flakk: are you planning on using uswsusp at all?
04:41<jm_>specifically s2disk
04:41<Flakk>jm_ : well I do not know what it is. I thought installer was saying that my swap is bad
04:41<jm_>Flakk: no, it's for suspending computer to ram/disk
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04:42<Flakk>oh OK, i guess i will not need it. Thanks! i will continue
04:42<Flakk>(it is still configuring uswusp)
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04:57<Baggy2>is there a package that contains all the standard tools like mkdir, ls, which and so on? I want to cross compile them for windows..
04:57<Baggy2>perhaps busybox?
04:57<Baggy2>but I want all functionality..
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05:01<themill>Baggy2: there's already gnuwin32 and cygwin for you to run these things under windows
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05:07<candido>jm: now i must
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05:10<paco>Hi all
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05:11<paco>i would like to use a ramdisk as my /tmp to speed my PC; could one of you help me please?
05:11<jm_>read about tmpfs
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05:13<paco>so if i use tmpfs as filesystem it automatically use my ram mem?
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05:14<Lethalman>paco, check out also ramfs, i don't know if tmpfs is always using the ram
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05:15<paco>ok tanks
05:15<Lethalman>tmpfs will also use your swap and so on
05:16<Lethalman>but please keep tmpfs paco :)
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05:17<Guest184>not easy to use heh
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05:18<MadHag>Epic4 I mean
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05:19<paco>yeah i was reading about this difference, surely i'm using tmpfs....modified my fstab, i'm rebooting now
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05:27<sheldonh>jm_: salaam. found the problem with aptitude changelog: doesn't exist (any more?)
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05:29<amorphous_>how do I find out what instances of users are logged in to a system (command line)?
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05:29<jm_>sheldonh: hmm
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05:33<sheldonh>jm_: hmmm. maybe my apt mirror is stale. what version of linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 do you have available? 2.6.26-5?
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05:34<jm_>sheldonh: 2.6.26-4 in lenny, sid has -5
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05:34<paco>tmpfs works!tnks all!
05:35<amorphous_>i have a machine that is running stable & using user-switcher-applet, but it says two users are logged in (consols 1&9). However... if i run users, it says there are 2 but that includes me shelling in to find out the problem - thus only one was logged in before. How do i find out about users logged in & log users out from command line?
05:35<sheldonh>jm_: okay good, me too. so when i do an aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.26-1-686, i get "Couldn't fetch URL", but browsing there works fine
05:36<zep^>i've installed debian lenny, with xfce. but when i log on the panel dissapears. it disapeard when i ran apt-get dist-upgrade, is it possible to downgrade ?
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05:36<frunsk>how do i install some experimental packages in lenny without upgrading all my packages? btw how do i check which version im using?
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05:37<paco>zep^: i'm running debian sid and my xfce panel works fine
05:37<paco>try rm 'your settings directory
05:37<zep^>it worked fine until i ran a apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday
05:37<paco>or try creating another user and see if works qith the new one
05:38<jm_>sheldonh: check which url aptitude is using
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05:39<zep^>where's the settings directory ? it works fine if i log in as root, but people shouldn't be forced to log in as root to make it work
05:39<sheldonh>jm_: aha! Acquire::http::proxy "http://localhost:3142/";
05:40<sheldonh>jm_: apt-cacher let's me down. first time ever
05:40<frunsk>let me rephrase that, how do i install some experimental packages without upgrading my distro?
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05:41<jm_>you don't upgrade to experimental
05:42<sheldonh>frunsk: i don't use lenny, but i'm guessing you'd backport the packages. why do you want to break your system?
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05:42<sheldonh>frunsk: as i understand it, experimental typically breaks your system, and is really only suitable for use in a sid vm or chroot
05:42<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
05:42<frunsk>i need the openchange plugin for evolution that's available only in experimental
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05:51<philsf>frunsk: you can either pin the experimental repo, or just install the package you want, and disable the repo
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05:52<frunsk>philsf, what do u mean by " pin the experimental repo" ?
05:52<philsf>if the package doesn't need any dependencies from experimental, you don't even need to enable the repo, get it from the web
05:52<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
05:52<sheldonh>jm_: yay!
05:53<philsf>frunsk: also check apt-cache policy <package name>
05:53<sheldonh>frunsk: are you actually going to use this in the instance of evolution that you use for your email and personal information management? :(
05:53<philsf>to see the versions you have available
05:54<frunsk>sheldonh, i really need to be able to connect to an exchange server
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05:54<sheldonh>frunsk: i understand. but i'm guessing you also really need to not trash your email and pim
05:55<frunsk>sheldonh, yes i could need it
05:55<petemc>dont all the exchange 'plugins' just scrape outlook web access?
05:55<philsf>frunsk: can't you use the exchange plugin?
05:55<sheldonh>frunsk: well, just make sure you take a decent backup
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05:56<paco> zep^: ~/.config/xfce4
05:56<frunsk>philsf, im using that one, but since it uses the OWA it's not exactly as accurate as i would need it to be
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05:57<philsf>frunsk: what's the difference?
05:58<frunsk>philsf, for example... u can't see the mail categories... basically u can only use the functionalities that OWA provides... which are reduced compared to actual outlook usage
05:58<frunsk>apparently outlook is not installable in wine either...
05:59<philsf>I see
05:59<frunsk>the new exchange uses a thing called mapi protocol
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06:00<sheldonh>jm_: "DIRECT"; fixes it. i'll reply to the bug
06:01<petemc>frunsk: exchange has been using mapi since day one
06:01<frunsk>petemc, i thought exchange 2007 used a new version of mapi
06:02<sheldonh>imap? no wait, that's the old version ;)
06:02<petemc>frunsk: perhaps
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06:03<zep^>paco, it didnt work deleting it an restart xwindows.. but i do get the panel if i create a new user
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06:04<paco>zep^, maybe there's something else to remove
06:06<paco>try erasing also xfce4-session and Thunar (they are in the same subdir)
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06:29<frunsk>let's say i want to use pinning: do i need to add the unstable/experimental sources to my sources.list?
06:30<jm_>no, pinning can be used with stable too
06:31<philsf>frunsk: yes, you need to add the repo's you want to pin
06:31<frunsk>philsf, won't that mess up my apt when i update?
06:32<philsf>frunsk: no, that's that point of pinning
06:32<frunsk>philsf, so apt understands automatically that im pinning
06:32<philsf>frunsk: anyway, what do you mean by "mess up the apt"? you can always remove the repos from the sources.list
06:34<frunsk>philsf, normally if i add a repo to my sources.list (with newer packages) apt will ask me if i want to upgrade all upgradable packages... not just the ones i want to pin
06:34<philsf>frunsk: pinning is an option in apt's preferences
06:34<philsf>you can pin by repo name
06:35<philsf>you can lower the priority of the whole experimental, and manually install the package you want
06:35<frunsk>philsf, how do i modify apt's preferences?
06:35<philsf>I don't recommend this, if you're using experimental, though
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06:36<philsf>you'd be better off just installing the package you want. it's less error prone, less overhead, and completely safe to revert
06:36<philsf>!pinning | frunsk
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06:42<frunsk>philsf, says " Invalid record in the preferences file"
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06:42<philsf>what did you put there?
06:43<philsf>did you rtm?
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06:45<padski>rtfm ?
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06:45<nsadmin>ring the madam?
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06:46<frunsk>eheh i don't get it
06:46<dpkg>it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
06:46<philsf>rtm = read the manual. did you?
06:46<candido>problems with synaptic ->repos . Warnings
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06:47<philsf>frunsk: did you read the instructions on pinning dpkg told you about?
06:47<frunsk>sure i did
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06:47<philsf>what's wrong then?
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06:48<nsadmin>frunsk: then be helpful :) tell us what you learned and what you did as a result
06:49<frunsk>nsadmin, the answer is in man apt_preferences
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06:49<nsadmin>ok, so we're posturing here :)
06:51<nsadmin>what is the history of your problem? from the time when your system behaved the way it's supposed to right up to the time it stopped, what exactly did you do? please pastebin both the original file and a unified diff that showd exactly how you changed the file
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06:53<nsadmin>other than that.... if "the answer is in man apt_preferences", you have the tools to solve the problem yourself
06:56<nsadmin>what would Rick Moen say right now... oh yeah... HTH... HAND
06:57<nsadmin>but I digress; you should be helpful and come across as an equal and start discussing your issue so that people can reasonably help you
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07:45<Gekz>where's the debian example apache2 default-000§
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07:49<Gekz>found it
07:49<Gekz>dont worry
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08:08<angelo>how can I monitor active ftpd connections?
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08:10<Hell_Kaiser>I was just trying to install debian, and couldn't find a mirror to download from
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08:17<jm_>Hell_Kaiser: honestly?
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08:17<Hell_Kaiser>I was at the debian installer and it was asking for a mirror to download from
08:18<noflash>Hell_Kaiser, ?
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08:18<themill>!getting debian
08:18<dpkg>To get Debian, see
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08:21<angelo>how can I monitor active ftpd connections?
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08:25<mobil-7k>tail -f /var/log/ftpd.log )
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08:28<Hell_Kaiser>do excuse my noobish ignorance, but what do I do after I have the disc burned?
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08:31<zep^>doesn't synaptic come with debian lenny ?
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08:35<frunsk>how do i check which distro im using?
08:35<jm_>!debian version
08:35<dpkg>To determine which version of debian you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>.
08:36<jm_>Hell_Kaiser: did you read installation manual at al?
08:36<Hell_Kaiser>yes, it didn't help
08:36<themill>dpkg: tell zep^ about search
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08:38<jm_>to be honest I don't believe you - the manual clearly mentions booting the CD
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08:51<JRHartley>jm_: i must admit, i had my doubts right from the start. the guy is quite clearly a troll muppet sock-glove loser :)
08:53<jm_>JRHartley: well I can understand when someone really has no clues about computers, but if they can burn a disc they surely know what to do when the docs say boot from it
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08:57<ranix>with no experience whatsoever (I actually installed it because I couldn't figure out how to install windows 98) I was able to get Potato installed in 2000
08:57<ranix>i.e. the year 2000
08:58<ranix>I have no sympathy for someone who can't figure out how to boot from a cd
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09:07<dotwaffle>before I rip this blade out and beat a tech with it, anyone tried installing etch/lenny on a BL460c?
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09:10<ranix>a little google info, appears to be some trouble with network adapters? That seems to be that guy's biggest complaint
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09:10<dotwaffle>ranix: It's the same on the storage too though, /dev/cciss refuses to write.
09:10<dotwaffle>ranix: but thanks for the heads up
09:10<dotwaffle>ranix: i must admit, I skipped over the freebsd lists.
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09:11<ranix>dotwaffle: I don't know if linux works right with the xeon power-saving yet
09:11<ranix>if you care about that
09:12<dotwaffle>ranix: thanks :S I know we install CentOS on a few of these blades earlier, just a bit p-o'd that I can't get Debian on it :(
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09:13<ranix>dotwaffle: should be able to, it's having trouble writing to the scsi?
09:13<ranix>dotwaffle: did you try a Lenny development installer?
09:14<dotwaffle>ranix: just the weekly build. will download that now and give it a go. It can see the disks attached to the SAS, it just won't write to them
09:15<ranix>dotwaffle: haven't ever run into that before, good luck
09:15<dotwaffle>Thanks :S Is there a place I can document this, if I fix this, or do I just publish it to a blog and let Google do the indexing?
09:16<dotwaffle>(incidentally, Ubuntu 8.04 server installs fine, but that's not what you want to hear either)
09:16<ranix>dotwaffle: I'd file a kernel bug report or something
09:16<dotwaffle>ranix: ok, if I find anything concrete, will do. Thanks, ranix.
09:16<ranix>dotwaffle: against the scsi module whatever it happens to be
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09:17<ranix>Ubuntu puts drivers for everything into their distribution as soon as they come out with little regard for stability
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09:18<ranix>so it's not surprising theirs at least appears to work
09:18<ranix>they have a 'forgiveness is easier than permission' mindset
09:18<dotwaffle>ranix: Considering this is going to run request-tracker, I want to run Debian on it, as I know it's *stable* ;)
09:18<dotwaffle>for sure.
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09:19<ranix>dotwaffle: ah nifty
09:19<ranix>never seen request-tracker before
09:19<meandtheshell>wow, wikipedia does not have an article about chrony ... that needs to change ;)
09:19<dotwaffle>i'm sure you have, you probably didn't know it was rt at the time.
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09:26<dotwaffle>ranix: ethernet works in etch, it seems :S just not etch-n-half or lenny.
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09:26<ranix>dotwaffle: huh, bizarre
09:26<ranix>dotwaffle: usually I'd expect the opposite
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09:26<dotwaffle>ranix: very. etch-n-half doesn't work either. Just 40r4a
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09:28<yuri>i have a strange problem
09:28<yuri>on my lenny the wireless device appear as eth0_rename
09:29<yuri>is ad Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
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09:30<themill>yuri: have a look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and delete unnecessary rules. Possibly delete the entire file if you're not worried about interfaces changing name.
09:30<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
09:30<yuri>themill, I have not a z25_*
09:31<dotwaffle>(and final time, i promise) ranix: but cciss still won't write. Argh ;)
09:31<themill>yuri: lenny?
09:31<yuri>themill, I have 70-persistent-net-rules
09:31<yuri>themill, yes, lenny
09:32<themill>yuri: please remember to mention that you're not running the current debian stable distribution. It makes it easier for us... things do change between releases.
09:32<themill>yuri: the same advice should apply to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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09:33<yuri>themill, I have to delete entire file?
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09:33<yuri>entire content of 70-persistent-net-rules ??
09:34<themill>yuri: comment out all the entries in it might be easier. Or move it elsewhere.
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09:35<yuri>themill, the device can works under the name eth0_rename?
09:35<themill>yuri: sometimes. some apps like network manager won't like it. Best to fix it.
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09:37<yuri>themill, ok, you are great ;)
09:37<yuri>themill, solved !
09:37<themill>excellent :)
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09:48<Foople>ubuntu + debian sources.list + apt-get dist-upgrade = unhappy box. Given that I'm basically managing it remotely, is there any easy path to happiness?
09:48<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt []? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
09:49<themill>Foople: what can you currently do? Does it boot? can you access a serial console or get to it via ssh?
09:49<Foople>yep it boots
09:49<Foople>and I can remotely manage it
09:50<themill>Does aptitude or apt-get work? Are you still able to install packages?
09:51<Foople>apt-get works sortof. It tends to error out at various points because it finds files that shouldn't be there and panics.
09:51<themill>I don't blame it
09:51<Foople>it suspects that I did something to cause it, but isn't sure. I'm denying everything.
09:51<cogwheel>Foople, you're using *debian* stuff on *ubuntu*?
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09:52<ranix>Foople: you're fucked. You should back-up important things, wipe, and install Debian from scratch
09:52<Foople>yep. Likely I'm insane.
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09:52<themill>Foople: can you boot of a livecd and run debootstrap to do a fresh install onto that machine?
09:52<Foople>no CD on this box
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09:52<Foople>it's a fit-pc
09:53*cogwheel agrees with ranix.
09:54<ranix>Foople: yank the hard disk, stick it into another machine, rm -r each partition, then manually debootstrap it
09:55<themill>ranix: remote machine
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09:55<ranix>themill: no physical access at all?
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09:55<rolerzzis>just discoveredzzzz ottds
09:55<rolerzzis>u know
09:55<Foople>I have physical access. It has 2 USB ports and video.
09:55<rolerzzis>it rox
09:56<ranix>Foople: yep just do yourself a favor, yank the drive, and debootstrap it
09:56<themill>ranix: ahh... sorry. Yank the hdd it is :)
09:56<rolerzzis>you know there are some strange trafic signals
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09:56<rolerzzis>lika onezzzzz with some bricks under themzzzzz
09:56<themill>rolerzzis: do you have a debian related question we can help you with?
09:56<Foople>hmm well it does have screws on the front. It's about 1.5" tall and 4 inches wide and deep.
09:56<themill>Foople: you could possibly install off a usb stick
09:57<rolerzzis>this isnt ottd chat?
09:57<themill>rolerzzis: no
09:57<rolerzzis>ok bye
09:57<rolerzzis>tnx for helpzzzzz
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09:57<ranix>what is ottds
09:57<dpkg>FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up.
09:57<Foople>last time I tried USB install it didn't work for some reason, wouldn't boot off it. I vaguely recall thinking the documentation writers were dirty liars. I eventually managed to boot off an external hard drive I think. It was a painful experience, I think I repressed it.
09:57<ranix>oh transport tycoon
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10:00<Foople>seems like I once installed debian on a non-debian system through major surgery and a lot of luck
10:00<Foople>remotely while it was live
10:00<Foople>can't remember what I did anymore
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10:03<Foople>well what do you know, now apt-get is working again. I guess sometimes it just helps to talk about it.
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10:04<dpkg>reinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>
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10:04<themill>Foople: it probably depends on what packages you are touching at the time
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10:05<Foople>I've actually just left this machine alone for a few months, since it was working
10:05<Foople>back then apt-get, no matter what I was telling it to do, would fail
10:05<Foople>now it's working fine
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10:05<Foople>(testing branch)
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10:06<Foople>maybe some package broken on my end had a security patch which caused it to reinstall and freed up the beast. Or maybe it's sunspots.
10:06<Xeross>i now have setup my domain to use google apps mail but cant get sendmail to send mail
10:06<Xeross>it doesnt need port 25 open cus they check google
10:06<Xeross>i had it working a while back
10:06<Xeross>but like normal i fucked up
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10:07<Xeross>so how can i get sendmail working
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10:08<Xeross>cant get php to use ssl
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10:20<korny>how can i disable anti-aliased fonts? (I'm using openbox)
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10:35<stevecotton>korny: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and turn off the "subpixel" stuff
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10:39<korny>do i have to restart X fot the changes to take effect?
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10:40<korny>-fot +for
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10:41<jthomas>I've installed the drivers for my webcam (gspca) and added to /etc/modules and its loaded with lsmod, but I cannot get Kopete to see it and there is no /dev/video0 device, what can I do? (Lenny, 2.6.26-1)
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10:42<stevecotton>korny: I think it takes effect on a per-application basis (restart the application, see the new font).
10:42<korny>stevecotton: thanks!
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10:44<flyc0r>jthomas, what does dmesg say after modprobe / insmod ? - if there's no video0 the driver doesn't work correctly
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10:47<stevecotton>korny: fixed it?
10:47<korny>stevecotton: Thanks alot!!!
10:47<korny>now everything perfectly works!
10:47<jthomas>flyc0r: I am not sure how to use insmod
10:48<korny>i was looking for this option for about 2 years!
10:48<jthomas>flyc0r: dmesg |grep gsp gives: usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca AND gspca: gspca driver 01.00.20 registered
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10:53<flyc0r>jthomas, mmh sounds allright so far, but there's gotta be a problem with the driver, else you'd have the device. what happens if you de- and then reattach the camera (or is it an internal one) ?
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11:02<helmut>bts question: splint is a c syntax checker. when splint is unable to check programs that include <unistd.h> is splint the seriously broken or is this only an important bug?
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11:02<helmut>(unable to parse means: it cannot recover that error and can therefore not continue to check the program)
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11:04<jthomas>flyc0r: detatch and reatached; dmesg gives info about the camera and it being attached; still no /dev/video0
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11:18<flyc0r>jthomas, well, sorry no further ideas
11:18<flyc0r>but lsmod says the module is loaded, right ?
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11:26<jthomas>yes it does
11:27<NeonLevel>anyone knows why debian lenny won't recognize fglrx driver, it always uses radeon, and the xorg.conf file has changed because it has no directive of what driver to use, how can i enable this fglrx driver please...
11:28<ranix>NeonLevel: download the binary installer from
11:28<ranix>NeonLevel: it works after a fashion
11:28<NeonLevel>fashion ?
11:28<ranix>NeonLevel: when you dist-upgrade or something just remove it and reinstall it
11:28<ranix>NeonLevel: have you ever installed nvidia drivers?
11:28<NeonLevel>yes i have
11:29<NeonLevel>but fglrx are for ati
11:29<NeonLevel>wha is fashion ?
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11:30<NeonLevel>i've tried to use the fglrx from the debian repositories, and i have the driver under the xorg modules but xorg wont load the fglrx module
11:30<jthomas>"after a fashion" = sort of; in a way
11:30<NeonLevel>an as i told you before the xorg.conf file lost a lot of directives
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11:34<ranix>fglrx binary drivers are about the same as nvidia for ease of use
11:34<ranix>took me a little less time to install
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11:35<ranix>I did the following: delete xorg.conf ; dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ; aticonfig --initial(with options and stuff)
11:35<ranix>I had to do this several times to figure aticonfig out, it does bizarre things and has poor (read, awful, contradictory, old) documentation
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11:42<NeonLevel>trying that ranix, thanks
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11:56<yuri>themill, I have installed wpasupplicant and the notebook is upgrading, thank's a lot ;)
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12:02<rjent>Greetings, I am trying to install with a netinstallcd and the system will not detect it? I also burned a knoppix cd and it is detected, so I have md5sum and reburned the netinstall cd and still no luck. Is there something I am missing?
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12:02<rjent>I have changed the cddrive in the machine and confirmed that the netisntallcd is good in another machine.
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12:11<NeonLevel>ranik still there ?
12:12<NeonLevel>ranix sorry man
12:12<NeonLevel>ranix, still there?
12:13<NeonLevel>I only wanted to let you know that worked, i now have graph accel man, thank you very much. greetings from Guadalajara Mexico, I owe you some tequila amigo.
12:13<themill>yuri: :)
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12:18<jello>yeah, no pushing on this repo
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12:19<xena>oljuas nmisksj
12:19<ranix>NeonLevel: I'm here now
12:19<ranix>NeonLevel: oh hey, glad it worked out. Congrats
12:20<superme>hi there ! who may help me with a problem of a jfs partition corrupt ? eeepc with lenny/sid 2.6.26 installed on jfs. The /etc is corrupt. I boot from a liveusb to back /home datas to a ext hd, but i can not mount the sda1 (the jfs corrupt one). I tryed many mount options ...
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12:20<jello>!ops xena
12:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jello complains about: xena
12:20<simonrvn>tried fsck yet?
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12:20<jello>!beer Ganneff
12:20*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for Ganneff
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12:21<simonrvn>\o/ Ganneff
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12:21<superme>simonrvn: not yet, how do i use it in this case ? fsck /dev/sda1 ?
12:21<simonrvn>yeh. makes sure it's unmounted ;)
12:22<superme>simonrvn: i can not mount it yet so ... ^^
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12:25<superme>simonrvn: you're my god !
12:25<superme>3 days i spent on it ! so emotions now ^^
12:25<simonrvn>no, just common knowledge (or should be ;)
12:25<simonrvn>glad it worked out for you
12:26<superme>it will now : i learn step by step
12:26<simonrvn>best way
12:26<ranix>the eee is pretty good to the linux community
12:26<ranix>didn't think I'd start seeing new users with eees in #debian
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12:26<superme>ok. just wait a few to be sure i can copy the files !
12:27<superme>ranix: you see one now !
12:27<ranix>I had just given up on asus because two of their motherboards died on me last year
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12:27<ranix>crap taiwanese capacitors
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12:27<superme>wow !
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12:28<superme>the pb is i corrupt the system by doing ... apt-get upgrade ... and the madwifi modules and some other have many many problems yet
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12:28<simonrvn>that stuff you can fix
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12:30<superme>simonrvn: i guess but my level don't allow me yet. So it create me serious problems
12:30<NeonLevel>ranix, thank you i have graph accel working... thank you for your suggestion.
12:31<superme>and copying seems ok
12:31<ranix>NeonLevel: any time
12:33<superme>so what do you suggest me ? to reinstall all the system ("one more time" ? ^^), or to try to fix it by some ways ? The /etc is over, and i don't know about the upgrade. When it did, the keyboard did not function anymore on the logscreen
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12:36<superme>and last question before to sleep, there is a way to see the size of a directory ? man ls don't give an option like this.
12:38<ranix>du or du -h
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12:40<superme>i try it
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12:42<superme>ok thankyou. I m going to study the man du
12:43<superme>thank you and c ya mates !
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12:58<fxiny> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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13:19<padski>grrr ?
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13:35<Desert_Storm>I just installed Debian on a AMD64 device
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13:35<Desert_Storm>After installing
13:36<Desert_Storm>It said that
13:36<Desert_Storm>X cannot be loaded
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13:37<kmap>Desert_Storm: apt-get install xserver-xorg-core ; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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13:37<Desert_Storm>Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?
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13:38<Desert_Storm>I cant get it to boot up even =/
13:38<kmap>Desert_Storm: Right. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should help.
13:38<kmap>Desert_Storm: Choose something like vesa as the driver.
13:39<fxiny>enouf: :)
13:40<Desert_Storm>-bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
13:40<stew>Desert_Storm: run it as root
13:40<Desert_Storm>Ah, okay
13:41<Desert_Storm>Use kernel framebuffer device interface?
13:42<enouf>stew: seems lately when as soon as i sign on to i get a PM spam, .. on freenode a "/mode enouf +E" stops that (blocks PMs from unregged users) but here on oftc it says; "Unknown MODE flag" know how to do the same here?
13:42<Desert_Storm>Use kernel framebuffer device interface?
13:42<stew>enouf: no idea. ask #oftc
13:42<enouf>Desert_Storm: no
13:43<enouf>stew: ok, thanks
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13:43<Desert_Storm>Write default Files section to configuration file?
13:45<Teal>Hi, can anyone tell me how can I install the package libgdl-1-0 if one of it's dependencies has it as a dependency? Bit stuck there.
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13:47<Desert_Storm>kmap, stew, Thank you for your help =)
13:48<kmap>Desert_Storm: Glad that it worked. :-)
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13:51<chealer>Teal: that shouldn't be a problem. just inatll it
13:51<Teal>it's not letting me :P
13:52<Teal>complains that the other file is required, the other complains that the first is needed
13:55<chealer>what program are you trying with?
13:55<tzafrir_laptop>Teal, pastebin the error message you get
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13:56<chealer>Teal: eww. use a real package manager like Synaptic
13:57<Teal>just trying to get this all working, trying to get my laptop connected to the internet, so far unsuccessfully
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14:00<enouf>stew: fwiw, seems +i set for user accomplishes what i want (i notice upon /join to OFTC, +i is always usually set for my username) and lately, i've been disabling it just after /join - now i set it back, and i won't disable it
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14:01<schmichael>i need to setup an irc proxy/bouncer for a buddy with a flaky inet connection, any suggestions? znc and bip sound familiar but i've never set one up before
14:01<jaakko>Hi! What is /lib/modules/kernel-version/build directory? I compiled a kernel and installed for other PC. Now trying to compile a driver but that "build" directory is missing.
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14:03<jaakko>I copied the source to other PC also and modified makefile to point that source. But it is still complaining about "build directory".
14:05<daniiel>i believe you need the kernel headers to build a module?
14:05<daniiel>i could be wrong
14:05<Teal> : here's a screenshot, if someone could explain how to install downloaded packages in Synaptic I'll use that, but I have so far been unsuccessful there.
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14:06<jaakko>daniiel: I have the kernel source, doesn't it have everything, also the headers?
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14:06<daniiel>teal: what are you trying to install, and on what debain version?
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14:08<jaakko>Teal: one way which may work is "dpkg -i package.deb" and then fix dependencies with aptitude "install package" (use the actual name of installed package)
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14:10<Teal>trying that now
14:10<daniiel>jaakko: did you compile the "debian way" ?
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14:11<daniiel>using make-kpkg?
14:12<jaakko>daniiel: make-kpkg --initrd --revision=1 kernel_image
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14:12<daniiel>and now you need to compile a driver as a kernel module?
14:13<jaakko>daniiel: yes
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14:14<jaakko>daniiel: The kernel has also the driver but does not work.. Then I tried to compile the manufacturers version.
14:14<daniiel>section on compileing driver/modules
14:14<daniiel>uses kernel headers
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14:14<jaakko>daniiel: I got it working on this pc, but this happens to have ../build directory. argh.
14:14<daniiel>what driver?
14:15<jaakko>daniiel: A-link USB wlan, zd1211rw
14:15<daniiel>fun, wireless=)
14:15<jaakko>daniiel: yes it was fun at beginning, but now I have trouble only with the driver
14:16<daniiel>what does your /etc/udev/rules.d/***net rules** way
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14:16<daniiel>and if you lsmod, do you see the correct module?
14:17<Teal>jaakko: this is what I get with dpkg :
14:17<daniiel>it's something like z25_persistent_netrules or something
14:17<jaakko>daniiel: yes I see, but I get complains "could not load firmware" even I have installed it in /lib/firmware/zd1211
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14:18<daniiel>teal, what debian version?
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14:20<daniiel>tried(as root), aptitude update && aptitude install libgdl-1-0
14:20<daniiel>should work
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14:22<daniiel>jaakko, im looking at some stuff, one sec
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14:23<daniiel>whats the name of the module for a-link usb wlan?
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14:24<jaakko>daniiel: zd1211rw
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14:25<daniiel>did you down.oad the firmware from the non-free repo?
14:25<jaakko>daniiel: It works on this PC, no problem. "make" created a driver from manufacturers source. Can't do on other pc as ../build is missing.
14:25<daniiel>using etch?
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14:26<jaakko>daniiel: yes, etch on both PC:s
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14:26<daniiel>on both pc's did you aptitude install zd1211-firmware
14:27<jaakko>daniiel: No, on this one I juse the manufacturers. On the other I tried the original kernel zd1211rw driver with downloaded firmware (kernel documentation gave the address)
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14:28<dpkg>zd1211 is, like, the _vendor-based_ community driver for ZyDAS USB wireless LAN chipsets ( This driver is unmaintained and was rewritten, ask me about <zd1211rw>. A brief history is at Not expected to compile on recent kernels.
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14:30<dpkg>it has been said that zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets ( Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package in <non-free>). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. #zd1211 @
14:30<fxiny>enouf: dondelecaro
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14:31<fxiny>dondelelcaro: sorry . i was talking about perl in another window
14:31<enouf>fxiny: it's oops, or whoops .. ops is pronounced like pops
14:31<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
14:31<daniiel>soo the driver is compiled with your custom kernel? and the same kernel is installed in both machines?
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14:32<Teal>daniiel: that worked, thanks :D
14:32<jaakko>daniiel: both are 2.6.18 but different patches and configs
14:32<enouf>jaakko: do you mean /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink is missing?
14:32<daniiel>teal, =)
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14:33<enouf>jaakko: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
14:33<jaakko>enouf: perhaps, where should that point?
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14:33<enouf>to the headers
14:33<daniiel>here is a good writeup on it:
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14:33<daniiel>found on google
14:33<Standalf>hi, can you tell me why installation of graphic card (one-liner) broke graphic mode in debian??
14:33<jaakko>enouf: to my source where I build the kernel?
14:33<enouf> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2008-09-07 09:28 /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
14:33<daniiel>seems like you need kernel-headers and proper symlink
14:34<enouf>well, if you have kernel source, then possibly there - then you should point it at your kernel's source headers
14:34<daniiel>and proper support compiled into both machines kernels
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14:34<Standalf>I used fglrx
14:35<enouf>jaakko: all i can do, is let me pass you this URL -
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14:36<daniiel>heh, dpkg asked me if i was smoking crack, that's pretty funny
14:36<jaakko>enouf: I will try adding that link, I didn't notice it is only a link to the source..
14:36<daniiel>whats the one liner again?
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14:37<enouf>jaakko: correct - as i found that out after sometime myself ;-)
14:37<jaakko>it is funny that writing a driver is actually easier than installing some drivers..
14:37<Standalf>so no one can explain that? I have ATI sapphire 2600 HD or similar, I remember just number
14:37<enouf>jaakko: tjhat also helps when running depmod as well, IINM
14:38<daniiel>standalf your flgrx ins't working?
14:38<daniiel>using etch?
14:38<enouf>Standalf: fglrx has issues, especially in .26 kernels, all distros
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14:38<enouf>go see some #fglrx channels somewher
14:38<Standalf>it broke all graphic mode
14:39<enouf>daniiel: nvidia has a one-liner, for ati/fglrx i know not of one - but check using listvals, listkeys
14:39<Standalf>I didn't know what should I do
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14:39<enouf>Standalf: use vesa
14:39<enouf>to start
14:39<enouf>then you can use radeon
14:39<Standalf>on Ubuntu 7.10 it did the same.... ok, I'll try vesa
14:39<Standalf>or radeon
14:39<daniiel>i use radeon, it works great
14:39<Standalf>but here isn't command for radeon
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14:39<enouf>right - those are Xorg modules, the free ones
14:39<enouf>Standalf: install it?
14:39<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI., For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>.
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14:40<enouf>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all ?
14:40<enouf>or just the ones you want?
14:40<Standalf>I want that radeon
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14:40<daniiel>are you on etch or lenny?
14:41<Standalf>I don't know etch or lenny what should it mean?
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14:41<daniiel>are you using debain stable?
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14:41<daniiel>or testing?
14:41<Standalf>yes, stable
14:41<daniiel>thats etch, lenny is testing (currently)
14:42<Standalf>aha :)
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14:42<Standalf>so, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all will install my graphic card and I will choose radeon then?
14:42<daniiel>aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati
14:43<daniiel>then run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:43<daniiel>shoulod work
14:43<Standalf>ok, thanks
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14:45<Standalf>well, I have for choice driver for X server now, so should I choose vesa?
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14:46<daniiel>use ati
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14:46<daniiel>it'll give better acceleration, et cetera
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14:50<Standalf>what port of mouse should I choose?
14:50<daniiel>usd mouse or ps/2?
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14:51<russ>debian rules
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14:52<Standalf>ahh, I have for choice modules that should be automatic.... Should I change it? I see there bitmap, dbe and such
14:52<daniiel>no leave it default
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14:53<Standalf>should I try to find out monitor? I have normal CRT
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14:57<Standalf>so I go reboot... If I won't be back in 5 minutes it means failed configuration :-D
14:57<Standalf>thanks again
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15:10<Standalf>well, it didn't work, then I used vesa and it's ok! :)
15:10<Standalf>and another thing
15:11<Standalf>I didn't allow framebuffer this time.... does it depend on it?
15:12<Standalf>I'll try it and then I will know that
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15:13<daniiel>whats your video card?
15:13<daniiel>sapphire *** ?
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15:13<Woet>I accidently removed the root user from MySQL, and i'm trying to reinstall MySQL
15:13<Woet>for some reason, it keeps loading the old users
15:14<Woet>even after --purgeing it
15:15<daniiel>sapphire what? which model?
15:15<Standalf>HD 2600 XT or such
15:15<Standalf>I'll check it out
15:16<Standalf>yea ATI Sapphire HD 2600 XT
15:16<JRHartley>Woet: purge doesn't necessarily delete all changed/created config files
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15:16<Woet>already fixed it
15:16<Woet>removed /var/lib/mysql
15:16<JRHartley>Woet: ah. right
15:16<Woet>then what does --purge do exactly?
15:16<Woet>I thought it included configs.
15:17<Woet>Removing mysql-common ...
15:17<Woet>Purging configuration files for mysql-common ...
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15:18<JRHartley>it's a good question :) purge gets rid of package management config files, is a more accurate way of putting it. that is, it gets rid of files that it installed, but doesn't get rid of new/created ones
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15:18<JRHartley>but even that varies a bit from package to package
15:19<Standalf>I'll just try it
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15:22<russ>is it a good idea to use debian's testing repos
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15:23<daniiel>i'd say yes
15:23<daniiel>especially since lenny is almost stable at this point
15:23<russ>thank you
15:24<daniiel>i'd use the lenny repo's
15:24<daniiel>it sounds like for you
15:25<daniiel>which is testing but won't roll once lenny becomes stable
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15:28<Standalf>so, vesa works me
15:29<daniiel>i wonder if your video card is just too new for the etch ati driver..
15:29<Standalf>oh, I have no idea, but on ubuntu 8.04 it worked too, but ubuntu 7.10 it didn't
15:29<daniiel>in lenny they have a couple different drivers for ati chipsets
15:30<daniiel>i.e. radeon r128 ati radeonhd
15:30<daniiel>seems like more specialized support
15:30<Standalf>but I'm newbie, so I've chosen stable...
15:30<daniiel>that card you have is pretty new right?
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15:31<Standalf>I don't think it's really hot.... It was pretty cheap.... not a great graphic card for 500$ and such :D
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15:32<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
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15:34<ranix>Standalf: try the ati binary driver
15:35<taneli>is the lenny release still planned to happen in september?
15:35<ranix>it's not 'the debian way' but it gets the job done and it's actually less of a pain in the ass than the Nvidia driver
15:35<ranix>believe it or not, ATI drivers have been upgraded from 'awful' to simply 'bad
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15:36<Standalf>I've finished installing.... I hope so.. if now won't work tremulous I will try binary
15:37<daniiel>just curious, does "lsmod | grep ati" list the module?
15:38<Standalf>it does nothing
15:38<daniiel>that's not right
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15:39<daniiel>can you go back to a console?
15:39<daniiel>close the xserver
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15:40<daniiel>wait, in /etc/modules
15:40<daniiel>add ati
15:40<daniiel>at the bottom
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15:40<daniiel>also i don't use etch, check "lsmod | grep radeon"
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15:41<taneli>does anyone know if the lenny release is still planned to happen in september?
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15:42<daniiel>ok did you add that bit to /etc/modules?
15:42<Standalf>not yet
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15:42<daniiel>echo ati >> /etc/modules
15:43<daniiel>as root
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15:43<Standalf>no output
15:43<daniiel>it shouldn't
15:43<daniiel>nano /etc/modules, ati should be the last line
15:44<Sew_Sumi>omg, woet even LOL
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15:44<chealer>taneli: lenny won't release in september, no
15:44<Sew_Sumi>well, are you the one from SAMP??? or I'm just mistaking identity
15:44<Woet>should I know you Sew_Sumi?
15:44<Woet>oh, I am
15:44<Standalf>ati is on the last line
15:44<daniiel>ok now (as root) nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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15:45<Standalf>yea, and what next?
15:46<Sew_Sumi>True even, And you respond to me like you know who I am when I ask a simple question... (I felt a bit burnt the other day)
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15:46<Sew_Sumi>And still I can't find info on CreateGangZone and that
15:46<Woet>the wiki is kinda down
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15:46<Sew_Sumi>yeah, I noticed for like the last month lol
15:46<daniiel>actually it is probably easier for you just to rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:46<Woet>so scripting has became even harder then it used to be
15:46<Woet>quite annoying
15:46<daniiel>choosing ati driver
15:47<Sew_Sumi>it comes blank, yeah, it is....
15:47<Woet>I will ask Kye next time when I see him, why he took the wiki down
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15:47<Sew_Sumi>a big knowledge base is disappearing, and only certain people have the mirror images
15:47<Sew_Sumi>nah, Kye has his reasons dude
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15:47<Woet>well, I can offer hosting it myself
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15:47<Woet>I used to host it anyways
15:48<Sew_Sumi>Yeah? Have you got a copy at the moment??
15:48<Woet>so I will ask him :p
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15:48<Sew_Sumi>oh ok
15:48<Woet>Yes, but I cant put it online without his permission, obviously
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15:48<Sew_Sumi>thats a nice thing to ask him first (Seeing as he is ummmmmmm, Kye LOL)
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15:49<Sew_Sumi>so you like debian???
15:49<Woet>Sure I do
15:49<Woet>I use it on all my servers.
15:49<Woet>which is 14 atm :p
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15:49<Sew_Sumi>Yeah, I used it as a desktop for a few years, but I just started hosting samp on debian too
15:49<Woet>well, all my SA:MP servers run on it
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15:50<Sew_Sumi>yeah, We getting a number lol... :)
15:50<Woet>(and all other things I host)
15:50<Woet>how you mean? ;o
15:50<Sew_Sumi>I only just started putting a company in to hosting gameservers
15:50<Sew_Sumi>they got a MASSIVE bill for bandwidth... :)
15:50<Sew_Sumi>You wouldn't want it.... I'm on the other side of the world lol
15:50<Woet>I usually got 5TB or unmetereed
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15:51<Sew_Sumi>cos you are in europe aye
15:51<Sew_Sumi>cos I New Zealand
15:51<Woet>my servers are in the united states, UK and Europe
15:51<Sew_Sumi>true even
15:51<Woet>getting one in australia soon
15:51<Woet>expensive bandwidth indeed
15:51<Woet>:p noticed that
15:52<Sew_Sumi>BRB, Smoke break, (After trying to find a decent LCD monitor, cos my 19 inch CRT is just soooooo eye straining)
15:53<Woet>I got a 24"
15:53<Woet>and a 19" too :p
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15:53<Sew_Sumi>lcd or crt??? LCD aye
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15:58<Standalf>tremulous still doesn't work
15:58<Standalf>is it installed or not? I mean my graphic card...
15:59<ranix>Standalf: you using fglrx yet?
15:59<Standalf>fglrx can only break my graphic mode
15:59<Standalf>I used vesa
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16:00<JRHartley>glxinfo | grep direct
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16:00<Pryon>does tremulous require hardware acceleration?
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16:00<Standalf>in ubuntu 7.10 it did the same as here if I will choose fglrx or at
16:00<JRHartley>Pryon: i would say it is a near-certainty
16:01<ranix>tremulous can software-render
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16:01<JRHartley>but not being a [gl]amer, i wouldn't know ...
16:01<ranix>but it's quake2 engine based I think
16:02<ranix>I personally dislike it
16:02<Pryon>Standalf: when you say tremulous "doesn't work", what do you mean, *exactly*?
16:02<ranix>!doesn't work
16:02<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
16:03<Standalf>I mean If I launch it it will just get black screen and there destroy colors on my screen
16:03<Standalf>do you know what I mean?
16:03<daniiel>is the ati working now?
16:04<Sew_Sumi>lol @ dpkg..... NICE response, PML
16:04<Standalf>daniiel, we didn't any changes, why should it work now?
16:04<Sew_Sumi>who the heck figured that line out?
16:04<ranix>Standalf: are you using the fglrx drivers now
16:05<Standalf>ranix, no, I've chosen VESA
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16:05<ranix>Standalf: try fglrx instead
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16:06<ranix>Standalf: for great justice, wikipedia VESA
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16:06<Standalf>I tried after bot's advice, but it broke my graphic mode..... I repeated it at least 2 times
16:07<ranix>Standalf: are you familiar with Microsoft Windows
16:07<Standalf>ranix, in reconfiguration I've chosen vesa
16:07<Standalf>ranix, no, but I still like windos more
16:07<JRHartley>vesa was a great innovation in its day. anyone who remembers cga from the old ibm pc days will know what i mean
16:07<ranix>Standalf: try going to and download the drivers as you would if you were on Windows
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16:08<ranix>Standalf: it's not the Debian way, but it may work - it's more likely than you think
16:08<ranix>JRHartley: I used to play that Domino's pizza game on CGA graphics
16:08<ranix>JRHartley: or was that EGA
16:08<ranix>Avoid the Noid
16:09<JRHartley>ega. haha. those were the days. hercules graphics was another
16:10<ranix>the Commodore colors kicked serious ass
16:11<Standalf>I can't find it there for unix
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16:11<ranix>Standalf: linux_x86
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16:12<Standalf>ok, terrible websites
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16:13<ranix>ati website has been the same since 1999
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16:13<ranix>except sometime along the line they ditched the drivers for the rage2c, which still enrages me
16:14<ranix>that was my first 3d accelerated video card and it was great
16:14<ranix>played half-life like a breeze
16:14<Standalf>yea, it's awful
16:14<ranix>at 60hz
16:15<JRHartley>i still have my 9200se. and i get 1000 fps glxgears with vanilla xorg driver. not fast, but completely solid
16:15<JRHartley>i had a cirrus clgd-5434 for many years, so i think the radeon is *luxury*
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16:19<ranix> JRHartley yeah I just leant my 9200 to a friend, it's still going
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16:19<ranix>JRHartley: it plays eve online
16:20<ranix>JRHartley: I have a 9600 in this thing. another friend is using a 9800 pro
16:20<JRHartley>ranix: i take it the vanilla radeon driver ?
16:20<ranix>JRHartley: all added together, both 9200s, the 9600 and the 9800 cost less than $300 when they were new
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16:20<ranix>JRHartley: windows actually, except for my 9600 using fglrx
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16:20<JRHartley>ranix: tsk tsk :)
16:21<ranix>I have a laptop that has a Mobility Radeon, but there just are no linux drivers for that
16:21<ranix>which is a shame
16:21<ranix>because it hauls ass in Windows
16:21<stew>all the mobility radeon laptops i've had were supported by the drivers in xorg
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16:22<ranix>the guys were confused as hell when I showed up with a 1.2ghz pentium 3 laptop with a 32 megabyte ATI mobility and schooled them in half-life 2 mods
16:22<ranix>graphics on low, but that's still impressive
16:22<JRHartley>stew: yeah i think so too. in fact, for anything up to about x1600, the xorg driver is *better* than fglrx
16:23<ranix>stew, JRHartley: the xorg driver didn't have anywhere near as good 3d acceleration as the ATI Windows driver
16:23<ranix>also, poor TV-out
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16:24<stew>ranix: oh, i was just reacting you you saying "there just are no linux drivers", but i guess i didn't understand what you meant
16:24<ranix>I think the Mobility Radeon is a special beast
16:24<ranix>the drivers are unusual
16:25<stew>the drivers are the same drivers
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16:25<ranix>stew: there are no mobility radeon drivers on the ATI site, the chipset is different from any other Radeon. They can only be downloaded via the Canon manufacturer website, and were last updated in 2004
16:26<ranix>stew: there was also another make of the mobility called the U1 which is equally strange
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16:26<stew>ranix: xserver-xorg-video-ati contains mobility radeon drivers
16:27<Standalf>how can I install that? It's .run file
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16:27<ranix>chmod 777 filename
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16:27<stew>you should never chmod 777 filename
16:27<ranix>Standalf: do this with every file you can for fun and profit
16:28<ranix>Standalf: especially directories and images
16:28<JRHartley>ranix: 777 ? surely you mean 755 ?
16:28<Sew_Sumi>that sounded like a /quit message
16:28<ranix>JRHartley: 777!
16:28<Sew_Sumi>the old type /quit to be op
16:28<ranix>it's a lucky number
16:28<ranix>alt+f4 for hax
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16:28<stew>ranix: stop
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16:30<moritz>it seems that xboard in lenny has no executables in the package, which IMHO is very weird - could somebody please check?
16:30<moritz>I fear I've gone slightly mad now ;)
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16:33<moritz>(or am I in the wrong channel for this kind of question?)
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16:34<Standalf>what chmod 777??
16:35<moritz>dpkg -L xboard|grep bin|wc -l
16:35<dpkg>No packages found matching xboard|grep bin|wc -l
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16:36<stew>moritz: it installs to /usr/games/
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16:36<Standalf>can anyone tell me how to install *.run file?
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16:37<moritz>stew: so it's just my broken $PATH... thanks
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16:37<Pryon>Standalf: There are installation instructions on the website from where you downloaded the file
16:37<Standalf>I found this ....
16:38<Standalf>it tells me nothing
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16:39<Pryon>Standalf: From what URL did you download the file?
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16:40<Standalf>I see that already
16:41<Pryon>You mean the link called "Installer Instructions" ?
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16:42<Standalf>yes, I thought it will be in support section
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16:45<Standalf>but if I type: to console it doesn't work
16:46<Standalf>bash: command not found
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16:47<Pryon>Standalf: Is the execute bit set for that file?
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16:47<dmoerner>Standalf: you need to give the relative path ./ati-whatever
16:47<m42>standalf: standalf@debian:~/Desktop$ ./
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16:49<Standalf>strange... access denied even when I'm root
16:49<dmoerner>Standalf: chmod +x ati-driver-*
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16:50<Standalf>aha, thanks...
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16:52<Standalf>I don't understand this step: Launch the Terminal Application/Window and run /usr/X11R6/bin/aticonfig --initial to configure the driver.
16:53<Standalf>aha, there is no mystery
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16:55<Pryon>I have to believe that will end in pain
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17:05<Sew_Sumi>lol? Was that ATI Mobility House of pain???
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17:29<ralphte>Hi everyone i am trying to make a startup script and i am having some problems,
17:31<ralphte>i can get the scipt to start buy i am getting sytax error
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17:33<dmoerner>ralphte: what is your error?
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17:43<Golfgeo>Hi all
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17:54<timob>hi, how can i write to standard error from a script (not redirect to file)?
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18:02<tdrusk>In Konqueror I have remote places that I don't need. How can I get rid of them? They are all servers that I have added.
18:03<lawlcoster>try #ima_idiot_shoot_me
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18:04<lawlcoster>wtf is
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18:37<Lestat>Excuse me...i am having a problem with jigdo....
18:38<Lestat>my final checksum never returns ok...
18:38<Lestat>Every time that I mount my iso image and do a verification again I got an error....
18:38<Lestat>Please see
18:39<Lestat>(I downloaded this files in this afternoon)
18:39<Lestat>and please see too:
18:39<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian LiveDistro Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:
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18:40<Lestat>ok...but i think that my problem is in jigdo....and not at kurumin...
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18:41<Lestat>The last links was generate using the latest iso that jigdo retruns to me...
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18:42<Lestat>4054 of 4063 files says...but every time that I use jigdo I got this message...
18:42<Lestat>Any idea?
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18:46<cry0>hi im quite new to debian. i installed etch from netinst. got gnome installed. now i am trying to install some external packages, like the latest verison of pidgin. although etch doesn't have the latest version of many libs it required. is there an easier way to get these newer ver libs installed than downloading each of these manually? it there another rep that i can use with these libs without updating the whole dist to lenny?
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18:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
18:48<stevecotton>Lestat - it looks like the new ISO that you're downloading got corrupted after jidgo added files to it.
18:49<stevecotton>Try mounting it (using loopback, it doesn't need to be burnt to CD), then copying jidgo's original .jidgo and template files to another directory and running jigdo again, telling jidgo the mount-point of the current download.
18:50<Lestat>stevercotton, yeh... i think the same...but every time I try , I got the same error...
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18:51<Lestat>understood... i will use mount - o loop /way /mount_point ok?
18:51<stevecotton> -t iso9660
18:52<Lestat>stevecotton, mount -t iso9660 /way /mount_point?
18:52<stevecotton>and the -o loop too
18:52<stevecotton>anything as long as the mount works :)
18:53<Lestat>please...write the all sentence for me...
18:53<Lestat>mount -t iso9660 -o loop /way /mount_point ?
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18:57<stevecotton>Lestat: (using the place I've got an ISO) mount -t iso9660 -o loop /stuff/torrents/lenny_beta2_amd64_via_jigdo_and_bt/bittorrent/debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-DVD-1.iso /mnt
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18:58<Lestat>stevecotton, thanks so much...I will try now! Bye
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18:59<upsilon>hi, it seems that if I lose internet connection, even if it reconnects a few moments later, programs like xchat and pidgin don't seem to reconnect properly, and need to be restarted or they don't work properly
19:00<upsilon>xchat gives shows +30 lag (so basically infinite) for example but doesn't reconnect or anything
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19:01<upsilon>unless it just takes them a long time to do so
19:01<dmoerner>upsilon: it will reconnect eventually
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19:04<upsilon>I wonder if you can make it do so faster
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19:10<billy>hey my frien d gave me ubuntu 5.10 breezy how would i update to dapper
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19:13<teratoma>probably better off downloading a Gutsy iso
19:14<teratoma>but if you really care, replace all instances of 'breezy' in /etc/apt/sources.list with 'dapper' , apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
19:14<abrotman>wrong channel
19:14<abrotman>and gone
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19:24<mrpumba>i cant get my ath5k driver for macbook wirless card to work properly.
19:24<mrpumba>madwifi is installed, but uhm, its not recognizing it =(
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19:24<mrpumba>any help?
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19:38<Sew_Sumi>Guess what, this is getting SO bad that notepad OF ALL THINGS has stopped responding LOL
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19:40<gravol>anybody here?
19:41<gravol>I've been trying for two days to get wifi working in etch
19:42<dmoerner>gravol: what chipset do you have?
19:43<gravol>there is this little white thing called "Blanc" that goes into the computer. It seems to have the zd1211 zydas or something like that
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19:43<gravol>right now I have a 60ft cat 5 cable going through my place on the floor - not good
19:44<abrotman>gravol: do you have contrib/non-free sources?
19:44<gravol>let me check
19:45<abrotman>!info zd1211-firmware etch
19:45<dpkg>zd1211-firmware: (Firmware images for the zd1211 and zd1211rw wireless drivers), section non-free/base, is extra. Version: (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 124 kB
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19:47<gravol>I don't have the non free
19:47<abrotman>probably want it
19:47<abrotman>and .. you'll probably want to do my dishes
19:49<gravol>I can't find the non-free repository on the list on the web
19:49<abrotman>gravol: you append non-free to your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
19:49<dpkg>rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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19:50<gravol>yes I have entries like deb etch main but I need to know exactly to type in for the non free
19:51<gravol>I just need to know the url for it
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19:55<gravol>here's the problem "no public key" This is why I haven't been able to use that repository
19:55<abrotman>gravol: append non-free to the end of that line
19:55<em>Is this OFTC ?
19:55<em>Xchat just took me to 'debian servers'
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19:59<gravol>yes there is "non-free" at the end of the lines, but I can't do anything with them because of some key
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20:00<gravol>it says "deb etch main contrib non-free"
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20:00<abrotman>gravol: aptitude update && aptitude install zd1211-firmware
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20:02<gravol>I just got the firmware
20:03<gnufan>Grr what is the right way to specify my default sound device (lenny - 2.6.26 - GNOME). Just installed 2.6.26 for various reasons, which adds a PC Speaker drivers and makes my PCs speaker the default sound device (and I though AC97 was cheap and cheerful!).
20:03<abrotman>gravol: lsmod | grep zd .. see anything?
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20:04<gnufan>And I've no idea why the PC Speaker sound device makes a noise when I scroll the mouse wheel --- kernels - who would have them.
20:05<gravol>lsmod grep zd1211-firmware - don't see anything
20:05<abrotman>gravol: lsmod | grep zd .. see anything?
20:06<gnufan>Ah - I have a .asoundrc -- mystery solved I hope - back real soon
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20:07<gravol>saw nothing with that command
20:08<gravol>zd.. was zd1211-firmware
20:08<abrotman>gravol: modprobe zd1211rw .. then `lsmod | grep zd` .. see anything ?
20:09<gravol>nothing with modprobe
20:09<gnufan>wow - I have sound again - a stock kernel - and a root filesystem - some days you are grateful for small bits working - guess 2.6.26 rocks ;)
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20:10*gravol thinks the nvidia driver was easy compared to wifi
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20:14<abrotman>gravol: you're sure it's a zd1211 chipset ?
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20:15<gravol>I'm pretty sure, but since I was up till 2am last night, I'm not really all there
20:15<abrotman>gravol: tried lsusb ?
20:16*abrotman assumes it's usb
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20:18<gravol>it returns Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0ace:1211 ZyDAS 802.11b/g USB2 WiFi
20:18<gravol>its not glowing now cause it won't unless it's booted up with it plugged in
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20:23<abrotman>gravol: uhm .. maybe boot with it plugged in ?
20:23<gravol>I'll do that but I have to take a shower now. Are you going to be around in 1/2 hr?
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20:27<abrotman>gravol-afk: should be
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20:51<kolla>anyone know where programs linked against libgnutls will look for CA certs?
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20:52<gravol>well I rebooted but the usb device only lights up when the puter's off now
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20:56<abrotman>gravol: that makes no sense
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22:11<ChandleWEi>I install debian use lenny beta2 180mb cd ,now I install xfce4 and gdm but I can't use firefox ,however I apt-get install iceweasel or download firefox that or so can't start,and nothing show me in console.what's wrong?
22:14<Nemoder>what does it say when you type iceweasel inside an xterm?
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22:16<ChandleWEi>Nemorder: nothing in xterm
22:17<ChandleWEi>Nemorder: just nothing happen,I also tail -f /var/log/syslog ,but also nothing
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22:23<henkmetselaar>good morning
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22:28<daniiel>i don't understand your question, chandlewei
22:29<daniiel>you have xfce installed and running?
22:29<daniiel>and iceweasel installed but not running?
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22:32<ChandleWEi>daniiel: xfce installed and work fine,iceweasel installed but not work
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22:32<daniiel>did you aptitude (or apt-get) install iceweasel ?
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22:34<ChandleWEi>daniiel: I use apt-get
22:34<daniiel>is icewesel now in your xfce menu?
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22:37<ChandleWEi>danieel:thx ,when I use xfce menu start once iceweasel,Now I can use command start iceweasel and firefox .I don't know why but know iceweasel and firefox are ok .
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22:38<daniiel>or you can use its full path if you ever have troubles again: /usr/bin/iceweasel
22:40<tashina>hi, i know i can't open a server port as normal user (e.g. in java a server socket) with anything below 2000 or something, how can i give a user the right to do that?
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22:40<amphi>only root can open ports < 1024
22:41<daniiel>just do it as root?
22:41<tashina>hmm, thats not very convinient in eclipse
22:42<ChandleWEi>danieel: before I use cd firefox; ./firefox ; or use iceweasel in xterm several times but not work ,Now that is all fine when use once iceweasle in xfce menu.
22:42<daniiel>i believe you might be able to add yourself to the appropriate group, although i don't know which one that'd be
22:42<T_X>hi there! When I installed Debian, I chose to do that on an encrypted volume. is there a way to enlarge this one now without having to reinstall everything?
22:42<tashina>ok, so thats a group thing
22:43<daniiel>maybe, i'm not 100%
22:43<daniiel>enlarge encrpyted lvm?
22:44<tashina>thanks :-)
22:44<T_X>yeah, I think it was an encrypted lvm, how can I check that?
22:44<T_X>it was one of the options in the installer of the cd
22:44<daniiel>are you trying to add another drive to it?
22:45<T_X>no, I have one drive, but I want to delete windows vista and add the size to my linux-system
22:48<T_X>how can I check what can of disk encryption I'm using at the moment?
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22:48<daniiel>google search
22:48<daniiel>seems relavent
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22:49<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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22:52<T_X>thanks for the link, looks good so far
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22:53<daniiel>hope it works out=)
22:54<T_X>with which linux commands can I have a look at my current partitions?
22:55<gabbo>i'm running kde4 and the bottom part of the screen is cumming up at the top of the page...
22:55<gabbo>can someone help?
22:55<T_X>are the devices under /dev/mapper/fooba created and managed by the lvm?
22:55<T_X>so I probably have an lvm-volume and an encrypted one inside of this, right?
22:57<daniiel>gabbo: try channel #debian-kde
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23:32<Student>Greetings All
23:33<Student>i have to connect via Tunnel/vpn connection to access my internet services, i have established the tunnel but unable to drive my internet traffic
23:33<Student>i am not sure what is going wrong in here
23:33<Student>kindly suggest
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23:34<Student>any1 home in here?
23:34<RIVE>Hi Student.
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23:34<Golfgeo>Hi all
23:35<Golfgeo>Installing a new Debian PC and settingup xorg... Yet when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I can't select the vidiocard and monitor options anymore... Where has that all gone?
23:35<Student>hey rive :)
23:35<dpkg>hmm... vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check for a host of info. and, or ask me about <openvpn>.
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23:36<Student>it is not about vpn it is about driving my traffic
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23:37<daniiel>golfgeo, using lenny?
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23:38<Golfgeo>daniiel: Using testing atm...
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23:38<Golfgeo>So that would be edge?
23:38<cTATUK>testing == lenny
23:38<daniiel>currently lenny is testing =)
23:38<Golfgeo>ah, than it is lenny
23:39<Golfgeo>But, do you know how I can get back at those nice config options?
23:39<Golfgeo>*at or better in those nice...
23:39<gravity>Golfgeo: They're all autoconfig now
23:39<daniiel>xrandr now controls screen resolution
23:40<Golfgeo>Let's just say autoconfig doesn't work for me... (Really doesn't)
23:40<gravity>Golfgeo: What aspect?
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23:40<gravity>Golfgeo: What exactly is the problem?
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23:41<enouf>Golfgeo: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'vesa|nv|ati|intel|nvidia|fglrx'
23:41<Golfgeo>gravity: My monitor is just too old to properly show high resolutions as it once did (crt), but workes fine at lower onces. So I need to define them...
23:41<enouf>heh, wow - i left out like 50 or so :-P
23:41<Golfgeo>Got back: Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
23:41<gravity>Golfgeo: Ok, and xrandr doesn't help you?
23:42<Golfgeo>I like the mod lines and such...
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23:42<enouf>gtf generates them?
23:42<Student->i got d/c
23:42<Student->i have to connect via Tunnel/vpn connection to access my internet services, i have established the tunnel but unable to drive my internet traffic
23:42<Student->kindly suggest
23:42<gravity>Right, gtf and cvt are your friends
23:43<enouf>ooo .. new tool to find ;-)
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23:43<Student->nice lang gravity
23:43<Golfgeo>But the config menu's are gone?
23:43<gravity>cvt is probably the one you want, but to be honest I've never looked in to the real differences between them
23:43<gravity>Student-: Huh?
23:44<gravity>Golfgeo: Yeah, they are
23:44<Student->umm gravity help?
23:44<gravity>Golfgeo: You're in kind of a weird situation
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23:44<Golfgeo>Crapper! :-(
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23:44<gravity>Golfgeo: But you should be able to use cvt to generate a modeline, then just edit your xorg.conf manually
23:44-!-Student- is now known as Student
23:44<Golfgeo>gravity: Why? One might like the old way of installing things...
23:44<gravity>Golfgeo: Then you won't have to touch it again
23:44<daniiel>golfgeo, can't you select lower resoulutins in your gui's config?
23:44<daniiel>bad spelling sorry
23:44<gravity>Golfgeo: The old way became unsustainable, and really generally bad for most users
23:45<gravity>Golfgeo: So I ripped it out
23:45<enouf>cvt i might remember, but i only recall gtf because i just looked it up again, like an hour ago :-P
23:45<gravity>Student: I'm afraid I can't help you much with Tunneling, sorry :-\
23:45<gravity>Student: I know very little about it
23:45<Golfgeo>I guess the old version did have it, right?
23:45<enouf>calculate video timings ... ok, easy enough - but gft == ?
23:46<Golfgeo>I could there for reinstall, install kde and then upgrade to testing...
23:46*cTATUK sure hopes sk98lin yukon2 support has be merged into sky2 for the next release of Debian. ;x
23:46<gravity>Golfgeo: It let you do things manually, but wasn't really much better than a text editor
23:46<daniiel>are you trying to set up routing across the vpn ?
23:46<Student>gravity: no problem
23:46<Student>daniiel? talking to me?
23:47<Golfgeo>The menu's where great in my vision... Options so that a normal guy could select and when the expert needed other things he could dive into the xorg.conf file...
23:47<enouf>gtf == graphic text font ?
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23:47<Golfgeo>But I do get the maintanance part... Yet, I thought it was a great way...
23:48<daniiel>*nod student
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23:48<Golfgeo>going back to stable and then do the other things :-)
23:48<gravity>Golfgeo: For 99% of users (those who have monitors that can do EDID) the new way is simply a lot better
23:48<enouf>Golfgeo: yeah, i kind of got used to then too - but check this out,. you can now take a laptop all over, hookup all sorts of weird external monitors and Xorg autoconfigures it all now ;-)
23:48<Student>daniiel: well i have to establish a vpn tunnel with my provider in order to access internet services
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23:48<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
23:48<gravity>For exactly the reasons enouf says
23:49<gravity>And more, really. A slimmer xorg.conf is a saner xorg.conf
23:49*gravity can't wait to stop having to defend this move one glorious day
23:49<enouf>gravity: i just found out about that today too :-)
23:49<Student>daniiel: i already established the tunnel successfuly but i am troubled about routing my internet traffic via it
23:49<enouf>gravity: i've hopped the fence now :-)
23:49<gravity>Maybe once Lenny is out and people become used to it
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23:50<gravity>enouf: It really is better. Generally the X Server is smarter than the user, and if that's not the case then the user can do whatever they need to xorg.conf
23:50<Student>daniiel: so what do you suggest?
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23:50<gravity>So we default to the sane case in Debian, which is to let the server do the work
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23:52<Student>daniiel: the ling is about Red Hat linux
23:52<enouf>gravity: still overrides then, fine ...sure, i agree - just all Xorg options are not so well documented, and easily found, and not to mention, most Debian users never had to even touch xorg.conf, or if they did, it was a minor change to one or two lines , but yeah
23:52<gravity>enouf: man xorg.conf
23:52<gravity>enouf: It's *all* in there, except your driver-specific options
23:52<cry0>hi. i am quite new to debian. i installed etch from netinst, did a core install, got gnome working. added rep for backdrops, installed some stuff. although i installed compiz but i don't get the config icon i had when running ubuntu. is that a seperate package that i have to install?
23:52<enouf>herm ...
23:52<gravity>enouf: If it's not in there, then it's a bug
23:52<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien.
23:53<enouf>gravity: wow - ok - hrm ...
23:53<gravity>enouf: I'm also (slowly) trying to work on docs that are easier than a manpage for this sort of thing, but the manpage is there
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23:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:54<enouf>gravity: indeed - and i'm finally all updated with Xorg and running 7.3 that's all good looking now ;-)
23:55<Student>kindly suggest me about my Routing PRogblem , Any1 Thanx
23:55<gravity>The rest of the XSF is on the ball too, so they're handling bugs and things lately quite well
23:55<enouf>ii xorg 1:7.3+16 X.Org X Window System
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23:56<daniiel>cry0 do you have the right drivers to support compiz and your video card ?
23:56<enouf>sure - they're helpful as well ... in the d-x channel here..
23:56<cry0>daniiel; yes, i have installed the latest nvidia drivers.
23:57<enouf>i need to try this nouveau thing .. for my geforce2 nv11, haha
23:57<daniiel>student: this help?
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23:58<daniiel>cry0: does "lsmod | grep nv" return the nv module?
23:59<cry0>daniiel; returns nvidia 8113648 24
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