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---Logopened Thu Sep 18 00:00:02 2008
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00:00<Student>daniiel: ok dear let me check
00:00<cry0>daniiel; i get another line with = i2c_core 27776 15 nvidia
00:01<enouf> cry0 that's normal for the blob
00:01<fabio>Canal Brasil?
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00:01<fabio>Channel Brasil?
00:01<cTATUK>Hmm.. Why is XMMS dropped in Lenny?
00:02<RIVE><fabio> Canal Brasil?<-- debian-br
00:02<enouf>fabio: Este canal é apenas em inglÃs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:02<daniiel>cry0: are you on etch or lenny?
00:02<cry0>daniiel; etch
00:02<enouf>fabio: try also #debian-br
00:02<cry0>daniiel; installed compiz through backdrops
00:02<amphi>enouf: what's that funky charset?
00:02<daniiel>have you got compiz-gnome installeD?
00:02<RIVE>cTATUK, ald gtk, the option is to use audacious.
00:03<enouf>amphi: i dunno, i pasted from the factoid :-P
00:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:03<cry0>daniiel; yes aptitude reports compiz-gnome as being installed.
00:03<amphi>enouf: "Este canal é apenas em inglês" & "Este canal é apenas em inglÃs" look the same there?
00:04<enouf>amphi: worse :-P
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00:04<enouf>amphi: oh no ,, different though
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00:04<enouf> é vs é
00:04<amphi>enouf: the first is my paste from the factoid
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00:05<enouf>amphi: the 2nd is?
00:05<cTATUK>RIVE: XMMS uses GTK ;x
00:05<cry0>daniiel; do you know the terminal command to start compiz?
00:06<nsadmin>is there an n64 emulator in etch?
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00:06<dpkg>hmm... compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
00:07<nsadmin>what vid cards are supported by Xgl?
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00:08<RIVE>cTATUK, yes it uses Gtk, but a old versión, is easier to frop XMMS for newer packages.
00:08<upsilon>nsadmin: I don't believe there is an n64 emulator in any debian
00:08<RIVE>Audacios gave me the same simple interface that XMMS did.
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00:09<daniiel>i still like moc
00:10<snogglethorpe>hmm i use audacious, which seems like a pretty good replacement for xmms
00:10<snogglethorpe>xmms was seriously unusable in non-ascii locales
00:10<snogglethorpe>(as well as being kinda ugly)
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00:11<Student->kindly suggest me about my Routing PRogblem , Any1 Thanx
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00:17<nsadmin>Student-: kindly collect the original question together with any diagrams, tables, images and commentary into some kind of document (html is one idea) so that you can send that file to anyone willing to help
00:18<Student->umm well i don't have any space on internet
00:18<Student->i mean i does't own any
00:18<Student->but i think my problem is very basic level
00:19<Student->nsadmin: can you suggest ?
00:19<daniiel>that article on debianadmin didn't help?
00:20<Student->daniiel: yes, the article is about OPen VPN standard, but i am connecting via simple VPN connection , there are major differences b/w both of them
00:21<daniiel>oh, shows you how much i know about vpn =)
00:21<Student->exactly ;)
00:21<Student->but never mind, you do care and that is all what counts
00:22<Student->nsadmin: are you still here? :)
00:27<daniiel>do you have a vpn router?
00:28<daniiel>in which it would act as the internet gateway?
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00:28<Student->i have vpn route set in my "route"
00:28<Student->this is software base
00:29<Student->but i don't know how to tell the browser to access the remote server
00:29<daniiel>how do you physically connect to the internet though?
00:29<nsadmin>Student- do you have any available disk space?
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00:30<Student->via LAN CArd + Cable
00:30<Student->nsadmin: i have lot of disk space available :)
00:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:30<fabiobmoraesBR>Tenho que registrar como eu faço isso?
00:30<nsadmin>then you have some choices...
00:31<nsadmin>you could put everything in a text file
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00:31<Student->ok , before going through the choices do you actually understand the core of my problem? nsadmin?
00:31<nsadmin>(just remember to update the file when you learn additional sutff about that
00:31<daniiel>what does the cable connect to a modem or router or ?
00:32<Student->daniiel: LAN Card and it is a lan card cable
00:32<Student->nsadmin: ok
00:32<nsadmin>no, all I saw is you saying "kindly suggest me about my Routing PRogblem , Any1 Thanx" every few mins
00:32<Student->nsadmin: so unpack the package
00:33<nsadmin>what package?
00:33<daniiel>you need to route your vpn to your internet gateway
00:34<Student->nsadmin: the problem is i connect Internet via establish a VPN connection to my Service provider, the problem is default route is set to the name server of the isp , and after establishing the tunnel a new remote and local ip has been given
00:35<Student->nsadmin: i need to route my traffic via default gateway but there is a catch if i delete the existing default route, my connection to the tunnel will get lost
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00:35<Student->secondly i don't have any idea to tell the browser to go to some specific ip
00:35<Student->this the basic problem
00:35<Student->this is the basic problem
00:36<Student->nsadmin: what do you suggest?
00:36<nsadmin>I've never done vpn routing before
00:36<Student->cool :)
00:36<cTATUK># rm -rf /
00:36<daniiel>ouch! =P
00:36<Student->that was really funny end to your journey nsadmin :)
00:36<Student->very fine
00:37<daniiel>i think you have to use rm -rf /* in lenny =P
00:37<cTATUK>su -c "rf -rf /*"
00:37<daniiel>yeah, i've done it
00:37<cTATUK>rf lol
00:37<nsadmin>Student-, you could apply what I suggest still.
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00:51<amphi>enouf: the second was how your paste looked here
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01:07<Kdas>who wants to help me with a iwl4965 ???
01:08<Kdas>.... this channel isn't has helpful as it used to be
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01:13<Kdas>any ideas why i can't see any APs with my iwl4965?
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01:14<Kdas>anyone laive?
01:15<chealer>Kdas: where do you fail to see APs?
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01:18<Kdas>chealer, thanks for helping, umm nowere i mean i try to connect via iwconfig and no good and then i try to use knetworkmanager and nothing as well
01:18<chealer>Kdas: then what's the actual problem?
01:19<Kdas>chealer, i dowloaded the newst ucode from iwl website stuck it in /lib/firmware but when it was booting it did not recognize because it was ucode-something-2 so i renamed to ucode-something-1 and then that cleared that problem
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01:19<chealer>Kdas: which Debian suite do you use?
01:19<Kdas>chealer, the problem i sthat i got 5 APs arround me and when i try to connect to one via iwconfig (manually) or see if i see any with knetworkmanager i don't see them
01:19<Kdas>chealer, leeny
01:22<chealer>Kdas: I'm not familiar with knetworkmanager. do you see them with iwlist?
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01:24<Student->chealer: do you have knowledge regarding Routing and Vpn?
01:24<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @
01:24<chealer>Student-: in theory
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01:25<Student->chealer: :)
01:25<Student->ok give it a try
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01:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
01:25<Student->i have a problem routing my internet traffic after establishing a Vpn Tunn, via LAN Card and Lan card Cable
01:25<Student->chealer: what do you suggest?
01:26<Kdas>chealer, i am not familiar with iwlist but i will try... to my experience knetworkmanager is similar if not the same as gnomes networkmanager
01:26<daniiel>kdas, look at dpkg's advise
01:26<chealer>Student-: sorry, ask the channel
01:27<Student->chealer: it is ok
01:27<chealer>Kdas: I use KDE but find network-manager too buggy.
01:27<Kdas>daniiel, what the pastebin one ?
01:27<daniiel>no the iwlwifi one
01:27<Student->chealer: what application is suitable for a Server instead of network-manager?
01:28<Kdas>daniiel, yea i read but how am i suposed to do that if i cna't connect to internet ?
01:28<SledgY>Student-: for doing what?
01:28<Student->SledgY: for the same purpose network-manager applet is used for
01:28<daniiel>you don't have an ethernet cable to use? even temp?
01:29<SledgY>Student-: network-manager is a daemon, the applet talks to it via dbus
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01:29<SledgY>you could still use it on a server
01:29<SledgY>but I wouldn't recommend it
01:29<SledgY>for my servers I don't use any "management" tool
01:29<Student->SledgY: yes, that is what i am talking about , what else should be used :)
01:29<SledgY>just configure your interfaces manually via /etc/net/interfaces
01:30<SledgY>I give all my servers static IP's
01:30<daniiel>me too, static
01:30<Student->SledgY: can you help regarding routing and Vpn ?
01:31<SledgY>What do you need to know
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01:31<SledgY>does the VPN just show up as another interface?
01:32<Student->SledgY: i connect to internet via LAN card + Lan Cable, i need to establish a vpn connection/tunnel with my isp server, the problem is after the vpn connection, i am failed to route my internet traffic via browser etc
01:32<nubbun>apt & friends can not verify .debs. The system runs Lenny fresh install from DVD. I have debian-archive-keyring installed. A warning looks like this:
01:32<nubbun>WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
01:32<nubbun>What could be the problem?
01:32<Student->SledgY: what do you suggest?
01:32<daniiel>kdas did you say you have the firmware already installed?
01:32<nubbun>Student-: check your routes? (ip route)
01:33<SledgY>nubbun: you need the signing keys
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01:33<Student->nubbun: what to check in the routes? ip routes?
01:33<Kdas>daniiel, scrool above or do you want me to repeat ?
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01:34<nubbun>SledgY: is that not the debian-archive-keyring?
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01:34<nubbun>Student-: run the command
01:34<nubbun>ip routes
01:34<nubbun>and check that you have a default route.
01:35<Student->well i have a default route , and this defualt route is set to the NameServer
01:35<daniiel>could you see any aps with iwlist?
01:35<jm_>nubbun: are you sure it's for packages from Debian? did you verify what apt-key says?
01:35<Kdas>daniiel, i didn't try because i was informed about that program just recently
01:35<Kdas>daniiel, i just tryed iwconfig and knetworkmanager
01:36<nubbun>Student-: on the machine that has difficulty going over the vpn. You can also try traceroute.
01:36<SledgY>Student-: can you past (not in channel) the output from "route -n"
01:36<Student->SledgY ok
01:36<daniiel>give it a try=)
01:37<Kdas>daniiel, ok i will
01:37<nubbun>jm_: my apt-key list:
01:37<daniiel>is your other machine with you or are you dual-boot?
01:37<Kdas>daniiel, i have to reboot and try so hit you up when i finish
01:37<Kdas>daniiel, iwlist only lists the APs .. iam guessing ?
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01:38<Kdas>Kdas, then i have to associate via iwconfig ?
01:38<daniiel>yes, it will.
01:38<jm_>nubbun: try running apt-get update two times
01:38<daniiel>yes, iwconfig
01:39<daniiel>or edit it in /etc/network/interfaces
01:39<daniiel>and make sure the module is loaded o' course
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01:40<nubbun>jm_: that worked. I had done updates before, yet the problem persisted. What do you think the problem was?
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01:42<jm_>nubbun: I don't know the details, but this is a known workaround for a long time now, maybe it's worth checking BTS
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01:45<Student->SledgY: kinldy suggest
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02:04<AbsintheSyringe>I think I'm out of my luck for looking for debian advocate :/
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02:15<Standalf>hi, I have terrible slow moving of all windows after ATI driver from installation... How can I remove it?
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02:18<nubbun>Standalf: the settings are in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
02:18<nubbun>man xorg.conf
02:18<nubbun>can help.
02:18<Standalf>but I don't know what change thre
02:19<jm_>how to remove it? read their docs, it's ATI driver
02:19<nubbun>How do I search through package descriptions?
02:19<Student->how to get rid of network manager applet?
02:19<daniiel>in aptitude it might/should be under obsolete and local files ?
02:20<Standalf>where's aptitude?
02:20<jm_>nubbun: apt-cache searches by default, with aptitude use its advanced searches (~d)
02:20<daniiel>in a command line, as root, type aptitude
02:21<nubbun>jm_: thanks.
02:21<nubbun>Can one sort packages by installed size?
02:21<jm_>nubbun: yes
02:23<chealer>Student-: one could uninstall it
02:23<Student->chealer: well :)
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02:23<Standalf>it's not there
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02:26<Student->after removing gnome networkmanager , how will i set the incoming DHCP requests?
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02:29<chealer>Student-: what incoming DHCP requests?
02:30<Student->perhaps to set the ip address of eth0
02:32<Student->let me check
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02:37<SledgY>hmmm just enough knowledge to know the terms....
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02:56<trude>any girls here??
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03:02<trude>Hey.. How can u change nickname??
03:03<daniiel>type /nick new_nickname
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03:05<trude>Okay.. Ty:P Anyone know of any "fun/sexy" channels?? please help me:D
03:06<daniiel>not on i don't think
03:07<daniiel>try another irc server perhaps?
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03:07<trude>Yeah.. But u know any??
03:08<henkmetselaar>how about any other network? ;P
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03:42<buffoon_work>hi! i want to install debian on a stick so that i can boot on differend hardware the same system... what should i put to a driver in the Device Section of the xserver? or better: how to discover the driver needed?
03:43<daniiel>you want to make a usb boot stick?
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03:43<jm_>buffoon_work: use debian-live instead
03:44<dpkg>hmm... google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at
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03:46<buffoon_work>jm_, i don't want to have a system that resets the configuration everytime started
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04:59<seriouslycgi>how can i write a dvd on a remote machine over ssh? ( i dont know what to search for i usually just use k3b, but i have to move the machine to another room that has the monitor)
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05:00<damiano>hello everybody
05:01<Lethalman>!tell damiano about nvidia
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05:02<enouf>seriouslycgi: try using growisofs and pipe the data, though you might get serious buffer underruns
05:02<seriouslycgi>the files will be on the remote machine too
05:02<enouf>oh, then growisofs or even dd will do
05:02<enouf>install dvd+rw-tools
05:02<seriouslycgi>its just that i have to move the machine to use the monitor in this room (im being lazy lol)
05:03<enouf>so, you just need a CLI tool
05:03<seriouslycgi>k3b is installed it should be there right?
05:03<enouf>how would i know what
05:03<enouf>how would i know what's installed, lmao
05:03<seriouslycgi>yeah lol
05:05<jm_>you could try ssh -X and k3b if you dare
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05:12<damiano>i have nvidia 7100 GS video/card, i have to install the drivers with apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers or those drivers?
05:12<enouf>damiano: follow the debian wiki info that Lethalman had dpkg tell you about
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05:13<damiano>sure dpkg tells --> [dpkg] hmm... nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers
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05:13<enouf>amphi: how do you know you were seeing how i saw it? lmao
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05:15<damiano>i have xorg i don't understand if i have to install the official drivers
05:15<enouf>damiano: well, doesn't the wiki also have information pertaining to lenny installs? .. or just run that nvidia_lenny_1 then - i'm not certain
05:15<enouf>damiano: no you don't
05:15<enouf>well, to get any 3D you do
05:16<damiano>yes i wat 3D
05:16<enouf>for nvidia that is
05:16<damiano>so only official driver?
05:16<enouf>so then, if using lenny, follow that factoid you posted
05:16<enouf>yes, but do it the debian way
05:16<damiano>no i'm using ustable
05:17<Lethalman>damiano, if you don't use the debian way ask to #nvidia
05:17<enouf>see the wiki then
05:17<enouf>damiano: i use unstable, and installed the 96xx legacy drivers from the wiki info
05:18<enouf>damiano: your card might use a newer driver (non-legacy)
05:18<enouf>the list is at the wiki
05:18<damiano>this ?
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05:19<enouf>you still likely need or already have # 1) from the above nvidia_lenny_1 factoid
05:19<enouf>damiano: yes
05:20<damiano>i have to follow this steps nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers
05:20<damiano>>damiano< nvidia_lenny_2
05:20<damiano>[dpkg] hmm... nvidia_lenny_2 is 5) update-pciids 6) apt-get install module-assistant 7) dpkg -i *nvidia-kernel-source*.deb 8) m-a prepare 9) m-a a-i nvidia 10) dpkg -i *nvidia-glx*.deb 11) depmod -a 12) modprobe nvidia 13) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
05:20<damiano>ops sorry
05:20<damiano>i mean...install those package with apt-get and then install nvidia-xlg
05:20<damiano>package for 3d ?
05:20<enouf>damiano: lspci | grep VGA
05:21<damiano>one moment
05:21<damiano>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7100 GS (rev a1)
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05:24<damiano>is good?
05:24<enouf>seems incomplete to me, but ok
05:24<damiano>now i'm upgrading from etch to sid
05:25<damiano>now is not complete
05:25<damiano>but...when the upgrade ends...i have to try official drivers or not?
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05:26<damiano>today i have installed etch
05:26<damiano>but i have set unstable repository to upgrade
05:26<enouf>anyway, your card seems supported via the 173.xx.xx drivers
05:26<enouf>the debian way will grab debian made pkgs and and build and install them
05:27<enouf>i mean, you can if you like, but get help from #nvidia then
05:27<Lethalman>damiano, you will get problems with official drivers often everytime you update xorg or something else related to the 3d
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05:28<enouf>damiano: wait until your upgrade is successful, then make sure you reboot into newere 2.6.26 kernel
05:28<damiano>but after build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers and apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers have i to install other package?
05:29<Lethalman>damiano, follow nvidia_lenny_2
05:29<enouf>!nvidia one-liner
05:29<dpkg>[nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
05:29<Lethalman>omg :O
05:29<enouf>damiano: which arch are you on?
05:29<Lethalman>that sed is so tricky
05:29<enouf>Lethalman: he won't be on lenny anymore
05:29<damiano>i have pentium 4 2.66 GHz 32 bit
05:30<enouf>damiano: which arch are you on? <-- answer me please correctly ;-)
05:30<Lethalman>enouf, isn't the wiki up-to-date for unstable?
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05:30<enouf>Lethalman: i suppose, but i see no one-liner there
05:30<damiano>arch means? ( sorry :) )
05:30<enouf>damiano: i386 or amd64 ?
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05:31<damiano>the first
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05:31<damiano>lethalman is possible enouf hate me?
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05:32<enouf>stupid irc client, lmao
05:32<damiano>my arch is i386 :)
05:33<enouf>apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <-- should do you fine - IF - you are on sid/unstable, running the .26 kernel
05:33<enouf>oh crap - maybe not ...
05:33<enouf>where's all the m-a stuff?
05:34<enouf>oh well, you were close - you'll get it ;-)
05:34<damiano>but with those package i have 3D right?
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05:34<enouf>yes daemon
05:34<enouf>yes damiano
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05:35<damiano>and when i upgrade xorg i have to reinstall those package?
05:36<enouf>Pretty sure, on the wiki - the 4 steps starting with -->
05:36<enouf># apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common
05:37<enouf>shold take care of you - ignore the legacy driver info
05:37<enouf>damiano: no, but any newer kernel you will
05:37<enouf>or older for that matter
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05:38<damiano>ah ok
05:38<damiano>so when i change kernel i have to install
05:38<damiano>another time
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05:38<enouf>Lethalman: run uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g' in your shell - it just chops off everyhting but 686 or amd64
05:39<Lethalman>enouf, yes indeed
05:40<enouf>Lethalman: and naturally tacks that onto the end of apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6- so for me it becomes apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-686
05:40<Lethalman>yes indeed too
05:41<Lethalman>enouf, but if it's nvidia-kernel-2.6, why should he reinstall the driver everytime? i guess it's automatically upgraded
05:41<enouf>which really is only to extract the ARCH info, since it;'s a meta package anyway, so kernel version will rely upon which one your running ;-)
05:41<Lethalman>he's getting directly the binaries without running m-a
05:44<enouf>talking in channel helps everyone damiano ;-)
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05:55<enouf>Lethalman: i think the 4 steps in the wiki should do it, 3 of the commands include m-a
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05:56<sheldonh>i'm surprised there isn't a lenny beta 3 yet
05:57<Lethalman>sheldonh, debian is released once it's ready, don't be surprised
05:59<sheldonh>Lethalman: no, what surprises me is that, with the freeze, there's no new beta yet
05:59<enouf>Lethalman: sigh -- i smell a troll .. :-/
05:59<sheldonh>oh grow up :)
05:59<enouf>not you tard
05:59<enouf>Lethalman: [05:58:07] [damiano] are you sure? many users told me is impossible to use 3D engine with unofficial package
06:00<sheldonh>oops *blush* :)
06:00<Lethalman>enouf, :)
06:00<sp>ok, to add my two cents to the whole story: I'm not that surprised as a beta with less RC bugs in it sounds better than an early released beta with lots of RC bugs
06:01<Lethalman>sp, to me sounds better
06:02<Lethalman>err maybe i misunderstood what you meant, yes it's better to wait a beta with less RC bugs of course ;)
06:02<Lethalman>and there're lots of goals out there to achieve for lenny yet
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06:03<stevecotton>I would think goals ought to be complete by now (although I think the bash->dash one is still going).
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06:04*Lethalman takes a look at goals.txt
06:04<sheldonh>sp: oh i see. that would explain it. so "let's make sure it's actually an improvement" wins out over "release early, release often"
06:04<sheldonh>sp: it's a trade off, i guess
06:04<stevecotton>there are weekly builds too, if you want to try them. And you can take a beta and then upgrade to the latest version of testing.
06:04<sheldonh>Lethalman: where?
06:05<Lethalman>there's a wiki too sheldonh
06:06<Lethalman>also in the page of the RC bugs listing, wherever :)
06:06<sheldonh>stevecotton: ja. i'm just worried that the changes between beta2 and release will be major enough to blow away the early adoption testing i'm doing now :)
06:06<sheldonh>Lethalman: schweet, thanks
06:06<sheldonh>owch. lofty goal: double compilation support
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06:06<enouf>!lenny status
06:06<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>., or
06:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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06:08<nifan>sorry, i have more than one server tab, and xchat displays it for all open channels :)
06:08<nifan>btw i'm portuguese not brazilian
06:08<stevecotton>sheldonh: double compilation support has 5 open bugs, ~640 fixed ones.
06:08<nsadmin>is it possible to get gtk2 in etch?
06:09<sheldonh>stevecotton: jesus, someone's been busy!
06:09<Lethalman>nifan, use the treeview instead of tabs
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06:09<stevecotton>sheldonh: lofty but done
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06:09<nifan>Lethalman, i'm using it already
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06:10<Lethalman>nsadmin, who isn't it there already? :O
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06:10<nsadmin>nifan: it's up to you... if you prefer english, use here, if youprefer portugese, the brazillian channel is one way to accomplish it
06:10*Lethalman connection is really slow currently, can't get the jobs done sigh
06:10<nsadmin>Lethalman I'm getting 1.2
06:11<nifan>i'm not very fond with brazillian channels :)
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06:11<nsadmin>nifan: if you don't mind english, here's good
06:13<nsadmin>other than that there's a drop-dead gorgeous blonde brazillian girl in my latin music history class :)
06:13<Lethalman>nsadmin, etch ships gnome2... so etch has got libgtk2.0-0
06:13<nsadmin>oh ok
06:13<nsadmin>let me see
06:14<Lethalman>nsadmin, just apt* install libgtk2.0-0
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06:16<nsadmin>so, I see both 1.2 and 2.0
06:17<nsadmin>are both somehow in etch?
06:17<nsadmin>anyway I'm installing the -dev now
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06:18<nsadmin>I needed that because I want to build an n64 emu that uses gtk2
06:19<nsadmin>linker cannot find -lSDL_ttf
06:19<nsadmin>is that in debian?
06:20<nsadmin>nm, found it
06:21<sheldonh>are debian/*.template files in a source package related to debconf?
06:21<nsadmin>wouldn't a package maintainer author the template files for a particular package?
06:23<sheldonh>yes, but what are they for? debconf?
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06:24<nsadmin>oh, not sure...
06:24<nsadmin>you mean probably what program reads them
06:24<Lethalman>nsadmin, gtk1.2 is still there everywhere
06:25<nsadmin>oh ok... due to older apps?
06:25<Lethalman>nsadmin, yes
06:25<Lethalman>nsadmin, if you specify gtk it's 1.2, gtk2 is 2.0, you know debian naming is strong :)
06:26<damiano>the upgrade is i see E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
06:26<damiano>what can i do?
06:26<damiano>i passed from ech to sid
06:26<Lethalman>damiano, nopaste:
06:26<nsadmin>!find yasm
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06:28<nsadmin>sid is anywhere from somewhat unstable to horribly unstable...
06:28<dpkg>Debian Search of 'yasm' (2): (/usr/bin/texifyasm) in utils/texify ;; (/usr/bin/yasm, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/yasm, /usr/include/{libyasm-stdint.h|libyasm.h}) in devel/yasm.
06:28<nsadmin>if you like solving hard problems, updating to sid is one way to give you some
06:28<enouf>nifan: i know; i looked at your IP prior to me triggering the !br factoid ... i saw the .pt , and yes i know there's an ocean between you and brazil :-P
06:29<enouf>nsadmin: i warned him ...... about 30 min ago or so
06:29<Lethalman>damiano, using apt-get or aptitude?
06:29<damiano>lethalman can i force the install with apt-get -f install ?
06:30<enouf>it's --fix-broken
06:30<Lethalman>aptitude would be better for such things i guess
06:30<Lethalman>damiano, try doing an aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
06:30<damiano>apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-broken
06:30<damiano>ah ok ok
06:31<Lethalman>if you get that error again we'll try fixing it
06:31<Lethalman>lately upgrading from etch to whatever is a pain :)
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06:32<damiano>now i'm tring aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
06:32<Lethalman>yes try it
06:32<nsadmin>awesome :) it works :)
06:33<damiano>it's running... i'm praing
06:33<Lethalman>praying :)
06:33<damiano>ops yes
06:34<damiano>it's finisched
06:34<Sew_Sumi>praing sounds cool sounding it out
06:34<Lethalman>en_GB locale for *spell is so good for non english users ;)
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06:34<Lethalman>damiano, do it again
06:34<Sew_Sumi>braing braing goes the phone
06:36<damiano>is possible i have to restart?
06:36<Lethalman>damiano, no
06:37<damiano>there are errors
06:37<Lethalman>damiano, aptitude reinstall docbook-xml
06:41<jm_>damiano: you need to inspect postinst script and find out why it breaks
06:41<Lethalman>damiano, dpkg --purge docbook-xml
06:41<Lethalman>jm_, simple: #
06:41<Lethalman>Configuro docbook-xml (4.5-5) ...
06:41<Lethalman>update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered
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06:41<jm_>Lethalman: that obviously explains what breaks, but not why ...
06:42<Lethalman>didn't realize there was 2 more extra # per line :P
06:42<enouf>whoops :-p
06:42<Lethalman>jm_, then he purges and reinstall
06:42<jm_>Lethalman: and why do you think that will help?
06:42<damiano>okay reinstall
06:42<Lethalman>jm_, why shouldn't it? it that doesn't help then he goes through postinst
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06:43<Lethalman>jm_, you can't expect from an user to be a programmer, don't you?
06:43<jm_>Lethalman: who said I expect that?
06:43<Lethalman>damiano, try again aptitude dist-upgrade
06:43<Lethalman>jm_, by finding what things break in postinst scripts
06:43<Lethalman>jm_, so if things can be fixed with apt tools instead of looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info is better at a first glance
06:44<enouf>add 'exit 0' to the .postinst and call it a day
06:44<damiano>one moment lethalman i purge the package and reinstall it
06:44<Lethalman>enouf, lol
06:44<damiano>Rebuilding the database. This may take some time. :)
06:44<Sew_Sumi>hey guys, ok, I know it's a full moon out there... :)
06:44<jm_>Lethalman: so adding set -x to postinst and finding out why update-xmlcatalog fails is programming?
06:45<Lethalman>damiano, do aptitude dist-upgrade, packages will depend on docbook-xml if they need
06:45<Lethalman>jm_, it's not needed for first, if this doesn't work then look in postinst
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06:45<enouf>jm_: he's trying to help - why are you busting his chops?
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06:45<Lethalman>jm_, why starting from advanced troubleshooting resolution if there's a easier way to solve things?
06:45<enouf>Lethalman: you need not explain yourself
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06:45<damiano>i done --> aptitude reinstall docbook-xml i'm wainting
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06:45<jm_>enouf: you should ask him - I was trying to help and he jumped on my case ...
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06:46<enouf>Lethalman: there are people whom ghave nothing better to do than whine
06:46<enouf>jm_: whatever - i'm out
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06:46<Lethalman>jm_, i'm just saying: what you say is right, but wait for a simpler thing to be done
06:46<Lethalman>jm_, if this doesn't work of course we need to help him finding what's broken through config scripts
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06:48<damiano>lethalman why do you think docbook is the problem?
06:49<Lethalman>damiano, i expect it is, if it's not np there's other possible reasons of course
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06:50<damiano>lethal god bless you!!!!!!!!!!!
06:51<damiano>one moment god there is another package :)
06:51<Lethalman>damiano, aptitude dist-upgrade as i said
06:51<damiano>confirm.... god bless you :D
06:51<damiano>yes it go well
06:52<damiano> YESSSS
06:52<Lethalman>damiano, *it goes
06:52<damiano>my bad english!! sorry
06:53<Lethalman>damiano, lsb_release -a && cat /etc/debian_version
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06:54<damiano> :D
06:55<Lethalman>all right
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06:55<damiano>thanks soooo much!!
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06:58<enouf>pardon me, but i did need to leave abrubtly - what i want to say is; i apologize if i misread the situation (but it's ok for certain ops to misread, or not even read from time to time, right?) .. but forget all that crap - My real problem stems from seeing helperB jump on helperA about their tshooting methods, and with some phony authority basically demand they explain what they're thinking - it's fucken stupid, so stop it please
06:58<enouf> - i get very offended when someone tries that crap with me, and i never do that to others (and it bothers me to even see it go on, when i'm not even involved) - and .. if ever i seemingly so, i always show that my inquiries are for my (and others) benefit of knowledge, not adversarial and i don't have an attitude when i ask
06:58<enouf>there are good decent people here - and for that alone, i felt i needed to return and explain ...
06:58<enouf>ok - i'm off for a while - c ya
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06:58<jm_>yes you should read your fucking screen before jumping on people
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07:02<sheldonh>lost in the suexec source code. anyone know how on earth apache modifies commands so that they use relative paths suitable for suexec?
07:02<damiano>bye bye
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07:04<sheldonh>oh. let me try #debian-apache
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07:06*themill notes that the update-xmlcatalog bug is well know but difficult to reproduce which is why it's not fixed yet
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07:07<themill>(and that a way to resolve it is in the bts already)
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07:20<Lethalman>themill, what's the way to resolve it? i only found an apt-get remove, just like we've done with damiano
07:21<Lethalman>ah using update-xmlcatalog indeed
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07:56<T_X>hi there, is there a prog available that implements the 35-overwriting steps for magnetic data by peter gutmann?
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07:57<T_X>as far as I know does shred random overwrites only
07:58<T_X>is there a way to do this with dd? how can I write 0x11 on the whole device /dev/sda1 for instance?
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08:14<stevecotton>T_X: packages wipe and secure_delete
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08:18<T_X>I found a tool secure_delete from thc, is that the one you mean?
08:18<T_X>should I use this one or wipe?
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08:24<T_X>well, thanks stevecotton, I'll have a look at them
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08:27<sheldonh>can someone clue me into how rules are applied to specific binary packages in the apache (not apache2) build?
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09:04<sheldonh>is there some documentation on building your own apache module packages for etch? it lacks an apache-src package
09:05<jm_>apache-dev doesn't cut it?
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09:22<variable>how to list all environment variables?
09:23<stew>or set
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09:30<padski>all those years I've been typing the 5 extra chars for "printenv"
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10:06<densin>hi all
10:07<densin>I'm curious. I apt-get install something and it will install php5{a} too. what is php5{a} ? my machine already have php5.
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10:08<jackyf>densin: really? apt-cache show php5 stands 'installed' ?
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10:09<densin>nop, I mean It already installed before that apt-get
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10:13<carnil_>I need to have, that from gnome as wm, the users can only log out, but not shutdown or reboot. Can someone give a hint how this can be achieved?
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10:25<sheldonh>is there documentation on how works? i'm finding the apache build a bit bewildering
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10:31<goundy>yo all
10:31<goundy>How to install firefox 3 on debian etch ôO ?
10:31<goundy>I'm getting iceweasel stuff
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10:31<goundy>I'm a gentoo user I'm just starting trying debian and got already this issue >_>
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10:33<[machine]>goundy:running which release of debian?
10:33<aptituz>I won't call a different-named browser an _issue_
10:33<aptituz>[machine]: he already identified the release as beeing "etch"
10:33<goundy>[machine], debian etch
10:33<MaxJays>hello, my question is: is there any Visualizer to Ubuntu, extreme like the one in winamp?
10:33*[machine] nods, i missed that
10:33<avtobiff>MaxJays, ubuntu isn't a music player afaik
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10:34<goundy>aptituz, I've been searching for mozilla-firefox and just firefox but I'm seeing that these are transition packages to iceweasel
10:34<MaxJays>i know... but to some musicplayer, or standalone..
10:34<MaxJays>avtobiff :)
10:34<aptituz>goundy: however debian etch does not include firefox 3
10:34<jackyf>goundy: iceweasel is an unbranded firefox
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10:34<Golfgeo>Hi all
10:34<avtobiff>MaxJays, probably yes. but this is #debian not #ubuntu. try at #ubuntu :)
10:34<aptituz>goundy: but iceweasel is an unbranded firefox 2
10:34<goundy>aphexer, firefox 3 is better man :)
10:34<[machine]>goundy: firefox is called icewease in debian, iceweasel 3 will be in the next release lenny
10:34<MaxJays>oy, i must have chosen the wrong server :)
10:35<MaxJays>my bad..
10:35<aptituz>well, firefox3 is just to new for debian etch
10:35<goundy>[machine], once lenny is out can I upgrade etch to lenny directly or I've to reinstall ?
10:35<MaxJays>have a nice day ya'll!
10:35<avtobiff>MaxJays, although, probably rhythmbox, banshee, amarok and many other have them. searching the net would probably get you very good results. :)
10:35<[machine]>goundy: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
10:35<MaxJays>i'll try!
10:35<goundy>[machine], thanks baby :-)
10:35<[machine]>you could actually upgrade today
10:35<aptituz>(come on! etch was released a year ago)
10:36<[machine]>just change your sources
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10:37<Golfgeo>Using rdesktop and seamlessrdp I do get a nice xwindow with the remote desktop, yet individual apps don't integrate into x, what could be wrong?
10:37<goundy>[machine], to change my sources ? Does a tutorial about new sources exists ?
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10:38<[machine]>goundy: google "etch to lenny" or
10:38<goundy>[machine], okay :D
10:38<goundy>thanks again
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10:38<decapithaine>i'd to know how to share folders locally
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10:39<decapithaine>i have a hub an the both pc have internet
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10:41<Golfgeo>Found out what was the problem... I was logged in...
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10:44<goundy>[machine], Is b43 support present in debian ?
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10:45<dpkg>somebody said b43 was the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (, included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver.
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10:45<jackyf>goundy: yes
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10:45<goundy>jackyf, hmm weird am unable to find some text about that ...
10:46<goundy>Damn! debian is really weird I prefer my Gentoo lol but I'll continue learning it :p
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10:47<bahadunn>gentoo? seriously?
10:47<goundy>bahadunn, yeah
10:47<goundy>it rox
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10:48<charl>can one use an ip as a mx record in bind?
10:48<goundy>bahadunn, that's the nicer thing in the open source world. everyone uses what he likes :)
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10:50<bahadunn>goundy: yep
10:50<bahadunn>charl: dont think so
10:50<charl>thanks :)
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10:51<goundy>bahadunn, i've a damned problem :)
10:51<goundy>I'm unable to find b43-fwcutter package when I apt-cache search b43
10:51<bahadunn>goundy: sounds unfortunate
10:51<goundy>How come ?
10:51<bahadunn>no idea
10:52<ansgar>goundy: Do you have contrib in our sources.list?
10:52<bahadunn>goundy: do you have contrib
10:52<bahadunn>goundy: it is in contrib which you probably dont have enabled
10:53<goundy>deb etch/updates main contrib
10:53<goundy>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
10:53<goundy>I enabled it
10:53<goundy>and did apt-get update
10:54<bahadunn>okay so now what?
10:54<goundy>apt-cache search b43 returns nothing
10:54<ansgar>goundy: I think it may be in etch, not etch/updates.
10:54<goundy>ansgar, what do you mean ?
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10:55<bahadunn>goundy: you enabled contrib for security updates
10:55<goundy>I see
10:55<bahadunn>goundy: you need contrib for non security
10:55<goundy>damn gotta go school finished >_>
10:55<goundy>okay bahadunn I'll change that
10:55<goundy>thanks again
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11:03<ezguy>i looking to replace thunderbird with clawsmail, how stable and reliable? would anyone recommend clawsmail (fast and light) over thunderbird?
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11:50<dpkg>hello, zumbi
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11:50<zumbi>I can not see youtube videos within iceweasel
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11:51<zumbi>Do i need some package to watch youtube videos on iceweasel?
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11:54*zumbi answering myself.. flashplayer-mozilla
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12:10<themill>kurumin: do you have a debian related question we can help you with?
12:11<themill>kurumin: please stop
12:11<themill>!ops kurumin is playing games
12:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: kurumin is playing games
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12:11<themill>thanks, weasel, Ganneff
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12:12<grusnac>i am beginer
12:12<amphi>!tell grusnac -about ask
12:12<grusnac>from one week knoppix debian user
12:13<grusnac>i love knoppix
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12:13<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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12:14<grusnac>i am 54 zears old,and for the first time mi os is not windovs
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12:14<amphi>grusnac: rejoice!
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12:16<grusnac>now,i am not in mi countri,ROMANIA
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12:17<noflash>grusnac, that's wonderful...if you need any support try #knoppix
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12:17<grusnac>i am in GERMANI
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12:17<Sew_Sumi>hey, nah, still LEGENDARY!!! 54 and into the irc help sections first.... mint...
12:18<qq->grusnac: vino in #debian-ro
12:18<grusnac>and i discovered the true softvare
12:18<Sew_Sumi>vino? is that "talk/converse" in romanian?
12:18<grusnac>va multumesc de ajutor
12:18<qq->grusnac: use "/j #debian-ro "
12:19<grusnac>voi trece pe ro,pt ca nu ma descurc f bine cu engleya
12:20<qq->Sew_Sumi: vino in == come to
12:20<Sew_Sumi>true that
12:21<Sew_Sumi>like, just as a question, about romanian, whats like, "all of you join a single group" and "use /r message to talk to the group"
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12:22<Sew_Sumi>I want to copy and paste it so I can put it up easy.. :)
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12:24<qq->Sew_Sumi: "all of you join a single group" == "voi toti formati un singur grup"
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12:26<qq->Sew_Sumi: "use /r message to talk to the group" == "folositi comanda /r pentru a discuta cu acest grup"
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12:29<grusnac>qq,cred ca tre sa intru in consola
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12:30<qq->grusnac: use "/j #debian-ro "
12:30<grusnac>dar cum
12:30<grusnac>in consola_
12:30<qq->scrii aici , nu in consola : /j #debian-ro
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12:39<npf>hello, i'am using adduser to create a system user in a package
12:39<npf>and i noticed a difference between etch and lenny:
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12:39<npf>with etch the the login is disabled
12:39<npf>whereas with lenny it is enabled
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12:40<npf>that doesn't seem to be a config (nothing related in /etc/adduser.conf nor /etc/skel)
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12:41<npf>does the default for --disabled-login or --disabled-passwd changed between that 2 versions of adduser ?
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12:43<themill>npf: what version of adduser do you have? (dpkg -l adduser)
12:44<path>hi there
12:44<path>is it possible to resize a lvm partition ?
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12:45<nosbig>Yes and no...
12:45<npf>3.102 vs 3.107
12:45<npf>it's a fix in 3.105
12:45<path>I made a separate /home and / seems to be running out of space
12:45<path>nosbig I just want to know if I can resize de / partition
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12:45<npf>i just catched it in the changlog
12:45<nosbig>path: It is possible to resize an LVM logical volume...
12:45<npf>sorry for the noise
12:45<npf>themill: thanks
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12:46<path>/dev/mapper/hammer-root that would be a logical volume nosbig ?
12:46<path>/dev/mapper/hammer-home and that one?
12:46<nosbig>path: Most likely...
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12:46<themill>npf: yeah, Well, a change. Unexpected perhaps too.
12:46<path>so I need to shrunk the home partition oh my bad
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12:46<npf>themill: * fix non-working --disabled-password, when using --system.
12:46<npf> Thanks to Ray Miller for the patch. Closes: #433639
12:47<npf>seems like expected ;)
12:47<npf>what is supprising me is that we never noticed it before, when installing our soft on etch
12:47<themill>npf: yes, I read that. That's why I was asking you what versions. I would have expected a "system" user to have login disabled by default though.
12:48<nosbig>path: Yeah, you should be able to expand the partition once the logical volume is enlarged... But there are risks.
12:48<themill>npf: but perhaps I'm being silly about it
12:48<path>nosbig I'd better backup ? :D
12:48<npf>thanks anyway
12:48<nosbig>path: You should determine what might be able to be placed into a separate partition in a logical volume...
12:49<nosbig>path: For example, could you put /usr or /var elsewhere to free up space on your root filesystem.
12:49<path>nosbig, could I even use /dev/mapper/hammer-home ?
12:50<path>first time on lvm, just learning from scratch :)
12:50<path>gotta read a lot
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12:50<nosbig>path: If you have additional space on /dev/mapper/hammer-home, you could create a new partition in the device and mount it anywhere you like...
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12:51<nosbig>It's just that the /dev/mapper/hammer-home is likely configured as a dedicated logical volume for your home directories...
12:51<path>now thats a great solution nosbig thanks!
12:51<path>it is
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12:52<path>but now I figured out what you're trying to say
12:52<path>lvm = virtual hard drives
12:52<nosbig>path: Now, my system has been installed for about 4 years now, updated with the latest packages in testing, so I don't have LVM configured on this machine... ;-) But I have a few servers that are set up that way.
12:53<path>sounds fun
12:53<path>I just wanted to try encrypt filesystems and lvm
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12:53<path>theres soo much to learn :D
12:53<nosbig>path: Yes and no... LVM abstracts the disk space so that you can add physical hardware and manage it in a consistent way... Much the same way that you can use ethernet or 802.11g and run the same IP protocol and applications on top...
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12:54<nosbig>path: I would be wary of encrypted filesystems... Particularly for system partitions which need lots of reading. It will slow down the system. If you want to encrypt a filesystem, do your home directory, and maybe something like /var.
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12:55<nosbig>path: Yes, there is a lot to learn... It's been a continual evolution for me for the last decade.
12:55<fxiny>it slows down just a bit
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12:55<path>nosbig, really? at first that was my main concern
12:56<path>performance issues
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12:56<fxiny>my etch full luks encrypted works like a charm
12:56<nosbig>fxiny: Have you have to fsck a 100+ GB hard drive which as been encrypted??? ;-)
12:56<fxiny>performaces ? very good
12:56<path>thats what I read
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12:56<fxiny>nosbig: fschecking a 100+ sucks anyway :)
12:57<path>nosbig, that sounds a long journey :D
12:57<nosbig>I tend to recommend encrypting your entire home directory or creating a dedicated encrypted volume for sensitive files.
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12:57<fxiny>my etch encrypted is a clone : i set the layer up and i cloned a normal etch
12:57<fxiny>nice game
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12:57<nosbig>lol It has been... New Debian (and Ubuntu) are so much easier to work with than Red Hat 5.2 (my first distribution) was...
12:58<nosbig>fxiny: That sounds like an interesting approach... I'll have to try that sometime.
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12:58<fxiny>nosbig: nice indeed
12:59<fxiny>nosbig: boot >> ext2 ;)
12:59<fxiny>dear old ext2
12:59<fxiny>swap encrypted ;)
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13:00<nosbig>dear old 2.0 and 2.2 kernels... I remember how much of a change switching from 2.2 to 2.4 kernels was...
13:00<nosbig>iptables was much more flexible than ipchains.
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13:04<variable>what command will show me all proc?
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13:04<nosbig>ps ax
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13:07<fxiny>nosbig: encrypting home or a volume for sensitive data leaves swap tmp , and whatever , naked . i read something in a gentoo forum about using gpg to avoid the ram passsword issue . i'll look into it in lenny
13:08<fxiny>now . i just type a pass at boot , i'll see what this gpg thing is
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13:11<fxiny>dunno how to send the pass goes in ram gpg encrypted , it sounds interesting
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13:12<variable>how to check do i have jdbc?
13:14<erKURITA>apt-cache policy <package>
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13:14<erKURITA>should tell you if the package is installed or not
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13:16<zeta>this is weird
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13:16<zeta>the ctrl-a shortcut in the iceweasel bar goes to the beginning of the line as opposed to select-all
13:16<leu8>emerson brandão
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13:17<erKURITA>zeta ctrl-e
13:17<zeta>erKURITA: ctrl-e goes to the end of the line
13:17<fxiny>nosbig: and Gutmann
13:18<erKURITA>man, I wouldn't care to type an extra passphrase
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13:22<fxiny>i don't want any extra pass , i want a command to erase from ram any pass in a "Gutmann way" as soon as the decryption ends
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13:22<fxiny>so . if gentoosmites are after this issue . i'll look into it
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13:24<erKURITA>fxiny I suppose you've heard of the cold boot attack, right?
13:25<erKURITA>well, it's either you delete the encryption key from the ram when it goes in suspension mode or you encrypt it again
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13:28<fxiny>erKURITA: you know why i'm using a luks system ? because i have extra resources and i'm not talking >4G ram and 4 cores
13:28<erKURITA>yeah I know
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13:30<fxiny>and . i'm slowly moving to lenny : on the same hardware lenny show impressive performaces comparing to etch when writing to hd , one more reason to luks up my nect stable
13:30<erKURITA>fxiny I'm on testing
13:32<fxiny>i will keep a dedicated partition for maintenance , this way i can always mount my home in case of boot or root failure
13:33<fxiny>of course it will be just a bit more of a base install *clone* , i'm lazy :P
13:34<erKURITA>I have a vault partition I will turn into an encrypted fs
13:34<erKURITA>I just need apt-build to finish
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13:34<erKURITA>I got my new laptop
13:34<fxiny>erKURITA: mine is boot (etx2) root home and swap
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13:35<erKURITA>do you even use swap? o_O
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13:35<fxiny>erKURITA: you'll never know ;)
13:35<fxiny>swap is a mistery
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13:35<erKURITA>I may have to encrypt home aswell since I'll start college soon
13:36<erKURITA>and people here are quite the a**holes
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13:37<fxiny>someone told me to use initram instead of a dedicated "maintenance partition" , it sounds good
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13:39<fxiny>but a quick base install clone will cover the root/boot badblock issue , i don't trust large hd
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13:40<fxiny>oh yes , handy : think about backups ;)
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13:43<prahal>anyone using symfony with official debian packages ? I cannot get the symfony script to work and do not see a proper way to fix it
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14:01<nubbun>what is the package that indexes your /usr/share/doc/html and creates directory pages?
14:02<nubbun>fxiny: the initrd (initial ram disk) will still take up space. Then it will be on the unencrypted /boot.
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14:04<fxiny>nubbun: yes
14:05<fxiny>nubbun: whet directory pages ? are you after an indexing app ?
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14:06<Sew_Sumi>He wants some thing to make an something.html file listing of his directory, so he can hyperlink easy?
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14:07<Sew_Sumi>Or just to have an html file listing of all thier files and sizes and that
14:07<fxiny> ?
14:07<Sew_Sumi>I have no idea on what that is
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14:08<Sew_Sumi>Here's one, How can I get cedega/or/wine going, and then install a game.... SA MP.... :F
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14:08<fxiny>i use swish-e + jswishi + apache
14:09<Sew_Sumi>is that for the listing fxiny?
14:09<fxiny>you can check mnogosearch , if you want
14:09<fxiny>Sew_Sumi: stearns ?
14:09<fxiny>is a gpl shell scriupt i have since ages
14:09<Sew_Sumi>tnah, swich-e
14:09<nubbun>fxiny: There is a package that indexes other HTML debian packages ant makes html directory pages for different categories.
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14:10<Sew_Sumi>wow, that's a goodie
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14:11<Sew_Sumi>like, does it read the sources.lst and that??
14:11<fxiny>Sew_Sumi: the "swish-e jswishi apache" combo makes a pretty nice local search engine , jswishi is a cgi . swish-e comes with more cgi . you can check mongosearch
14:11<Sew_Sumi>or even different "repositories"
14:11<nubbun>I don't know how it does it. But you gave me an idea on how I might re-find it.
14:12<fxiny>nubbun: that's interesting
14:12<Sew_Sumi>I am old school
14:12<nubbun>I think it has a dependancy on apache.
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14:29<anhan10>Preparing to replace util-linux 2.12r-19 (using .../util-linux_2.13.1.1-1_arm.deb) ...
14:29<anhan10>install-info(ipc): failed to lock dir for editing! Operation not permitted
14:29<anhan10>dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
14:29<anhan10>how can i fix this?
14:29<dpkg>anhan10: bugger all, i dunno
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14:31<anhan10>can someone help me here?
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14:42<jv>hi all! does anybody used qemu for emulating arm7 device?
14:42<nubbun>jv: never used qemu before but was interested. Have you?
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14:42<stew>maxb: Basic Apt/Aptitude Troubleshooting
14:43<jv>yes....but i want to emula a machine for ulinux
14:43<jv>de embedded dist
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14:53<nubbun>what happened to adept?
14:54<dieg>a alguien le apetece ? :)
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14:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:57<parecen>nubbun: what do you mean?
14:57<dpkg>it has been said that fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
14:58<daniiel>my knowledge of other languages is embarrassingly pathetic ..
14:58<nubbun>parecen: there used to be a debian package manager named 'adept'. It looked very much like synaptics, but used the Qt widgets.
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14:59<nubbun>but it is no longer in the package list.
14:59<parecen>nubbun: yes, but what information are you looking for?
14:59<nubbun>Why is it no longer a listed package?
14:59<parecen>package list of what? lenny?
14:59<nubbun>yes, lenny.
15:00<upsilon>it's in unstable, must be too buggy
15:01<parecen>nubbun: check
15:02<nubbun>thanks for the tip.
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15:03<craigevil>adept has a list of bugs miles long stick with aptitude
15:04<parecen>that depends whether the bugs affect you in a way you dont like and whether aptitude or synaptic have the features you are looking for in adept
15:05<stevecotton>craigevil: it has 9. Have you seen the buglist for aptitude and apt?
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15:06*stevecotton uses aptitude, but gets worried when he looks at the bug list.
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15:06<craigevil>yes, i know they both have big buglists, i use apt in sid myself and aptitude on my eeepc lenny install
15:06<qq->!tell qq- about sidux
15:06<parecen>stevecotton: i doubt he looked at the bug list at all, i suspect he is just guessing why adept is not in lenny. but that actually has different reasons
15:07<stevecotton>parecen: ditto
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15:08<craigevil>search the mailing lists, it was there when it was pulled from testing
15:08<dieg>a alguien le apetece ? tio_guapo_cam@hot ...
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15:09<parecen>craigevil: the hint to check with was given long ago and suits much better than "search the mailing lists"
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15:17<chealer>!tell qq- about selftell
15:18<chealer>nubbun: adept 2 was removed due to lack of maintainance. adept 3 is still in development.
15:19<ranix>thanks for that chealer, I was seething subconsciously
15:19<ranix>mostly because 'maintainance' looks right
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15:20<chealer>ranix: right. I always have to correct myself
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15:23<chealer>heh, still 2030 000 Google hits
15:23<ranix>google probably corrects it subconsciously
15:24<ranix>some of those really bother me
15:24<ranix>I really do want to search for "sneaking" and I do not want hits for "sneak"
15:24<ranix>thanks anyway Google
15:25<ranix>I want Google regex searches
15:25<chealer>ranix: the results I see for "maintainance debian" suggest that. but I didn't know Google would do that
15:25<ranix>chealer: some it does and some it doesn't
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15:26<ranix>chealer: some searches, like 'debien' and 'sarcofagus' search the actual misspelled word
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15:26<ranix>chealer: others, like 'maintainance', search on the corrected spelling
15:27<ranix>a search for 'sarcofagus' is hilarious by the way
15:27<ranix>also, 'jesus bananas'
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15:46<dpkg>[nv] the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX., Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>.
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15:50<zepard>i m getting bored of this irc client (xchat) which irc client do you use
15:50<chealer>!tell daniiel about msg the bot
15:50<zepard>what is intersting to use
15:51<Gathond>interesting, well telnet keeps your life interesting ... having to answer server pings and all:)
15:51<chealer>zepard: I use konversation. which desktop environment do you use?
15:51<zepard>chealer, xfce or fluxbox
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15:57<zepard>what about console based ones
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15:58<qq->zepard: irssi ?
15:58<jthomas>I reported a bug this mornig with 'reportbug' and spent some time on it, and the app said it would email me within about an hour -- and I've not gotten that email. So I went to check on the package here and it says there are no bugs reported against it :(;dist=testing
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16:00<kmap>jthomas: Is your computer configured to send e-mail?
16:00<jthomas>should be, i can send locally
16:00<kmap>jthomas: e.g. Does mail you@youraddress end up sending a mail?
16:01<kmap>Is there a way for you to check the logs of your MTA?
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16:02<Nemoder>jthomas: you might check /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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16:03<jthomas>"Mailing to remote domains not supported" great.
16:03<kmap>jthomas: Ah! So rerun reportbug, and dump the output at the last step.
16:03<Nemoder>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
16:03<kmap>jthomas: Copy paste it into your mailer.
16:03<jthomas>why would that be, my home computer should be set up the same and can email 'mail' fine
16:03<zepard>irssi then
16:03<jthomas>where would I find the email?
16:04<kmap>jthomas: Try /tmp/ somewhere, file name starts with reportbug...
16:04<kmap>Else, rerun reportbug. :-)
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16:05<zepard>a question for desktop use of etch; if I install 3 browsers on gnome I should reconfigure all the browsers sepratly for proxy use, is there a way to make them aware about an existing configuration of an already installed browser?
16:06<jthomas>no, up ran updatedb and then locate reportbug and none are in /tmp/
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16:09<chealer>jthomas: please provide your exim mainlog
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16:10<jthomas>mainlog said no outside domains
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16:11<kmap>jthomas: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
16:11<jthomas>i just did, thanks
16:11<kmap>jthomas: Oh, fine.
16:12<jthomas>yeah now I am testing it
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16:14<jthomas>ok that didn't work, do i need to set up a smarthost on another system? at my home debian lenny machine i can send emails from its local 'domain' which is totally bogus, and get them on my gmail, without any of this exim4 reconfig setup...
16:15<jthomas>but now that i think about it, it uses another mailer, citadel
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16:15<jthomas>what a pain on that bugreport thing, i spent time on that one
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16:23<jthomas>ok resubmitted with KMail, hope that works.
16:23<jthomas>thanks all.
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16:26<javatexan1>anyone know how to sense if a USB flash drive is plugged into the USB but not mounted yet from C program?
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16:33<jaek>anyone know how to get a mozilla java plugin to work on my 64 bit debian?
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16:40<stew>jaek: in what version of debian?
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16:43<daniiel>jaek, i heard it doesn't work yet, but that gnash player was an option
16:43<teratoma>is lenny out soon (dont kill me)
16:43<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
16:44<jaek>daniiel, not flash, java
16:45<stew>jaek: try icedtea-gcjwebplugin
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16:46<daniiel>oh, sorry i misread
16:46<themill>stew: any idea why it's not called openjdk-6-plugin?
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16:53<stew>themill: no, i'd guess it will be renamed, it was uploaded long before openjdk
16:53<stew>(which is why it was in contrib)
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16:54<jaek>i think they are still two separate projects
16:54<dpkg>The nvidia drivers are still a mess in lenny. If you can help sort them out before lenny releases, then please do. In the mean time, first ask me about <nvidia_lenny_1> then <nvidia_lenny_2> i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny_1
16:55<chealer>themill: do you know what mess that factoid refers to?
16:55<jaek>m-a can not straight up install the nvidia driver
16:56<chealer>right, they aren't in lenny, but except for that, is there a mess with, say, the current drivers?
16:56<stew>ok, by "long before" i should have said "a month before"
16:56<themill>chealer: not really. I'm lastmod on that because I translated the even bigger mess that was there into something more approximating English. The sequence of commands grew too long that it had to be split into two factoids a while ago.
16:56<chealer>themill: ok, thanks
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16:57<themill>chealer: the fact that you have to backport them from sid because they were removed from lenny is IMO a mess though.
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16:58<themill>chealer: the wiki page even used to say so too
16:58<chealer>themill: you don't have to, though
16:58<themill>chealer: you don't now?
16:58<themill>I've not been following that closely, but I was under the impression that you still had to.
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16:59<chealer>themill: you never had too, excluding maybe short times, or when X was never in sid
16:59<themill>chealer: ahh. you mean pulling the packages directly from sid?
17:00<chealer>themill: yes
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17:00<themill>That's not going to work for much longer... either they need to get fixed in lenny or you really will have to backport them.
17:01<chealer>themill: they're not in lenny since a long time.
17:01<themill>I know
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17:04<chealer>dpkg: no, nvidia_lenny is <reply>The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick testing/unstable mix.
17:04<dpkg>chealer: okay
17:04<themill>chealer: :)
17:04<Svarttrost>May I ask for assistance?
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17:06<giojotoca>hola necesito ayuda en knoppix
17:06<giojotoca>saben de algun canal en español para knoppix
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17:07<Svarttrost>Having problems with installing debian, anyone willing to give advice?
17:08<amphi>giojotoca: perhaps on freenode?
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17:10<drone77>Svarttrost, ask the question to which you want an answer
17:11<Svarttrost>Just thought it would be polite to ask first if anyone cares to help, than you
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17:12<Svarttrost>So, my problem is tha I have this Asus minilapto in wich I'd like to install debian
17:12<drone77>Svarttrost, #debian-eeepc
17:12<Svarttrost>It has no cd/dvd drive so livecd is out of question
17:13<amphi>Svarttrost: usb stick?
17:13<drone77>Svarttrost, i have one also, there is the channel (as mentioned above), have you seen the wiki
17:13<Svarttrost>Is that the channel i should go with my problem?
17:13<drone77>that is the debian eeepc support channel
17:13<Svarttrost>Sorry, I'm new to this
17:13<drone77>Svarttrost, no problem
17:14<Svarttrost>Oh, thank you, I'll be going there
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17:15<damiano>hello everybody...
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17:16<damiano>when i search java (sdk/jre) apt-get founds only jre, have i to put other server to sources.list ?
17:17<Hydroxide>damiano: search for jre
17:17<themill>!install java
17:17<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives>
17:17<Hydroxide>damiano: err, jdk
17:17<damiano>jdk! no sdk :D ehehe bad name :)
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17:18<Hydroxide>themill: at some point soon, dpkg's factoid needs to be updated to take into account the fact that lenny will include openjdk-6-* and icedtea-gcjwebplugin
17:19<themill>Hydroxide: yes. That's on my "lenny release todo list" for curating the factoids.
17:19<jthomas>giojotoca: puede preguntar en #debian-es pero no se yo un canal de knoppis en espanol, posiblemente #knoppix-es ?
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17:20<jthomas>what is icedtea java?
17:20<dpkg> or
17:20<Gathond>coffee with ice tea?
17:20<Hydroxide>jthomas: icedtea is the stuff that was made to replace the encumbered bits of openjdk (all have now been integrated upstream), plus things build harnesses and other Linux integration stuff
17:21<Hydroxide>jthomas: (including the adaptation of gcjwebplugin to openjdk)
17:21<jthomas>nice, gotta love the Freedom
17:21<giojotoca>jthomas gracias, quiero instalarle linux a una pention 3 de 700mhz con 128 de ram que me recomiendas tu, knoppix o debian
17:22<stew>!java amd64
17:22<dpkg>To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> Alternatively try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package.
17:22<stew>!java amd64 =~ s#Alternatively#Alternatively, in lenny or later,#
17:22<dpkg>stew: OK
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17:23<themill>good point
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17:24<jthomas>giojotoca: siempre yo recomendo Debian ;) com KDE, claro. Aunque puede investigar "Elive" que es Debian con Enlightenment17, y es muy rapido para los ordinadores antiguas....
17:24<jthomas>giojotoca: no mas espanol aqui, lo siento
17:25<giojotoca>gracias, thanks
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17:29<jthomas>great to know, thanks you Guest444
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17:46<Sew_Sumi>thats not a good way to get attention
17:46<Sew_Sumi>how are you?
17:46<decapithaine>i am OK
17:46<decapithaine>and you?
17:46<Sew_Sumi>pretty cherry
17:46<Sew_Sumi>thows the weather?
17:46<decapithaine>it's the night for me
17:46<decapithaine>but the weather is very cold
17:47<Sew_Sumi>still the night has weather, yeah, las night here was raining
17:47<decapithaine>the air is really like glace
17:47<decapithaine>where ru from?
17:47<Sew_Sumi>txtspk rox
17:48<Sew_Sumi>yeah, true that...
17:48<decapithaine>let me see
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17:49<decapithaine>tu fous quoi là ?
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17:49<Ganneff>if you do not have any debian question go elsewhere please.
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17:49*Sew_Sumi *burnt*
17:50<decapithaine>no, seriously, i have a problem with the file sharing with samba
17:50<Sew_Sumi>I know limited samba, very limited but yeah?
17:50<decapithaine>i edited the file smb.conf
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17:52<decapithaine>in this file, we can see how the consitution of a standard smb.conf is :
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17:52<decapithaine>search for "In this file main section"
17:52<decapithaine>just under you'll see [global] etc
17:53<qq->decapithaine: one common mistake with samba is not enable shared files on ... windows machine/s
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17:53<decapithaine>i enabled :D
17:54<decapithaine>i can see a computer
17:54<Sew_Sumi>k, so whats going wrong?
17:54<decapithaine>i named it something but the name something else, which is "elive"
17:54<Sew_Sumi>elive cd aye
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17:55<decapithaine>just 2 sc
17:55<decapithaine>i am a bit confused
17:56<decapithaine>what do we have to put in "valid user"
17:56<decapithaine>i have "zero"
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17:58<decapithaine>can i continue?
17:58<decapithaine>i mean to ask you
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17:59<qq->not yet , try some tests , with "valid user" or so
17:59<Ganneff>if you go and write down what you want elsewhere first, so you know what you actually want to ask...
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18:04<qq->decapithaine: but you use elive, don't you ?
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18:08<decapithaine>yes qq-
18:08<decapithaine>but it is debian
18:09<decapithaine>not like ubuntu
18:09<decapithaine>not in the like of ubuntu
18:09<decapithaine>i have a question
18:10*qq- mdr
18:10<decapithaine>français ?
18:10<dpkg>[fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
18:11<dpkg>elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN,
18:11<decapithaine>yop it has enlightenment
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18:11<decapithaine>really strict lol
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18:17<qq->decapithaine: there is e16 in debian > e16 Éditeur pour le gestionnaire de fenêtres enlightenment
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18:18<decapithaine>yop, i know, the servers are not the same
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18:19<decapithaine>je ne savais même pas tiens
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18:19<decapithaine>tu l'as testé ?
18:19<qq->decapithaine: some times ago
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18:41<philsf>how hard is it nowadays to setup a NIS+ on debian? (I have used NIS in the past, and the docs made clear that NIS+ was pretty hard to do by then, some 8 years ago)
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18:51<Sew_Sumi>if you are meaning Network Install, Easy as I'd say now, just tricky
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18:52<Sew_Sumi>experienced users have more chance of ending up troubleshooting/installing with not really much hassle
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18:53<dmoerner>i think he means this:
18:54<Sew_Sumi>I was just thinking along the lines of me being noob
18:54<Sew_Sumi>i was close, I was thinking it was network storage after a min
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19:52<bower>Hi!! i need turn off vga output in my laptop
19:53<oxmoz>what is the way to get 2.6.27 in Debian using apt? I tried to switch to experimental but it seems to still use 2.6.26
19:54<avu>oxmoz, .27 isn't even released yet
19:54<gravity>bower: xrandr
19:54<avu>oxmoz, so, no, it's not in the archives
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19:55<oxmoz>so if I want .27 I must compile it?
19:55<oxmoz>only .27 can handle my wifi card and touchpad for my laptop :'(
19:55<avu>if you want 2.7-rc6 or a git snapshot that is
19:55<avu>.27 isn't available yet
19:55<avu>from anywhere
19:55<avu>as it doesn't exist yet
19:56<oxmoz>and is this risky to compile a .27 on a Debian Testing? with my other packages for instance
19:56<dmoerner>oxmoz: just download the debs
19:56<avu>it is in general risky to compile unrleased software still in beta/alpha, sure
19:56<oxmoz>avu: I was asking that because I saw Ubuntu was using .27 in the last alpha
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19:56<avu>s/compile/use/ that is
19:57<avu>especially with something like the kernel
19:57<oxmoz>yeah :/
19:57<avu>that being said, .27 is pretty close to release
19:57<oxmoz>but my wifi won't work otherwisd
19:57<craigevil>oxmoz: The latest stable kernel is; the latest snapshot of the stable kernel is 2.6.27-rc6-git5; the latest beta kernel is 2.6.27-rc5-mm1, you can always grab a vanilla krenel from but its a lot of work and not something to try if you have never done it
19:58<avu>'a lot of work' is stretching it a bit
19:58<oxmoz>thanks for the informations
19:58<dmoerner>it's just a matter of downloading a deb and installing it
19:58<oxmoz>I'll give a shot
20:00<craigevil>you can also try adding deb trunk main to your sources.list and seeing what is available that way
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20:08<philsf>how hard is it nowadays to setup a NIS+ on debian? (I have used NIS in the past, and the docs made clear that NIS+ was pretty hard to do by then, some 8 years ago)
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20:16<abrotman>philsf: i don't think NIS+ itself has changed much .. perhaps the tools got better
20:17<philsf>abrotman: have you ever tried it?
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20:17<abrotman>not in a very long time
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20:18<philsf>what's the alternative to centralize logins? ldap?
20:19<philsf>I mean, can ldap substitute NIS, in terms of local file ownerships and other stuff?
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20:19<philsf>(while being anywhere safe)
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20:21<abrotman>ldap .. kerberos i guess .. there are a few alternatives
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20:22<n00bi3>hello. I'm getting a new cpu asap and i need to change my debian version. I'd like to know which is the version of debian for Intel Core 2 Duo?
20:22<dmoerner>you can use either i386 or amd64
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20:22<dmoerner>if you use i386 chose a 686 kernel
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20:23<oxmoz>dmoerner: it worked well, apparently, thanks again
20:23<oxmoz>now my wifi card is recognized
20:24<abrotman>dmoerner: i386 etch has a 64bit kernel available in the -amd64
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20:24<n00bi3>so I can use amd64 or i386? I thought amd64 was just for amd cpu =/
20:24<dpkg>somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
20:24<dmoerner>amd64 is for most modern 64-bit architectures, including core2duo
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20:25<n00bi3>alright then. thank you guys, specially you dmoerner :D
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20:32<xmelvinx>hi everyone
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20:33<yuri>it's norma that my cpu temp is always about 42° ? cpu : PIV 3.0 GHZ
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20:34<yuri>i never cleaned cpu
20:34<yuri>I had better that I clean it?
20:34<cTATU1>mine is 63 right now
20:34<yuri>i see...
20:34<cTATU1>so 42 is not bad
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20:36<yuri>I have asked to you about because "sensors applet preference" an item of gnome panel is orange and then red when cpu is about 43-45
20:36<xmelvinx>who knows how install hamachi?
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20:39<Nemoder>xmelvinx: I have used it with debian
20:40<Nemoder>you have to run tuncfg as root, then hamachi-init, hamachi start, hamachi login etc
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20:40<upsilon> ?
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20:40<xmelvinx>but i have to compile tuntap?
20:41<xmelvinx>in thw wiki say something
20:41<Nemoder>it's part of the kernel
20:41<xmelvinx>that better i dont want compile my kernel again
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20:42<Nemoder>oh if you are using a custom kernel and you didn't enable it then you may have to
20:43<xmelvinx>umm i have upgrade
20:43<xmelvinx>so isnt custom
20:43<Nemoder>if it's a debian kernel then it should autload tuntap when you run tuncfg
20:44<Nemoder>you can check ifconfig to see if it properly created a ham* interface
20:45<xmelvinx>i need run tuncfg when i start again?
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20:45<n00bi3>the debian-amd64 cd-1 has gnome as window manager?
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20:46<Nemoder>xmelvinx: yeah
20:47<Nemoder>n00bi3: gnome is the default when you choose Desktop in tasksel but you an install any desktop environment you want
20:47<xmelvinx>how i can do for run tuncfg in the start?
20:47<decapithaine>hello there
20:48<rrm>not to start a flame war.. but what is better as memory usage? kde or gnome. i kinda like kde since it feels more unix like
20:48<decapithaine>i have trouble configuring the smb.conf for file sharing...
20:49<abrotman>rrm: way too many variables
20:49<n00bi3>Nemoder: when i'm installing debian-amd64 from the cd-1 (im gonna download only this cd) it will ask me in any part what WM i want to install or will it install gnome as default?
20:50<Nemoder>it will install gnome as default if you choose Desktop, but you can manually run aptitude and choose a different one
20:50<n00bi3>Nemoder: great! thank you :)
20:51<xmelvinx>Nemoder, where is tuncfg?
20:51<rrm>kde-core vs gnome-core
20:51<xmelvinx>i cant find where the wiki says
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20:51<Nemoder>xmelvinx: it should be installed with hamachi, probably in /usr/local/sbin
20:51<abrotman>rrm: still too many variables .. just try them both and look for yourself
20:51<xmelvinx>i will see
20:51<dewente>hey brothers.. i looking for a good book of bash scripts
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20:52<Nemoder>rrm: if you are really concerned about memory usage both of them are a poor choice :)
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20:52<abrotman>dewente: power tools ?
20:52<rrm>well... is true nemoder... but you need something better then openbox, xfce.
20:52<dewente>abrotam, is that good book ?
20:52<Nemoder>I'm happy with xfce
20:53<abrotman>dewente: ask amazon
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20:53<n00bi3>abrotman: <rofl>
20:54<dewente>abrotman.. unix power tools
20:54<abrotman>dewente: i guess it's not just bash
20:54<abrotman>been awhile since i've looked at it
20:55<dewente>abrotman, and so ?
20:55<abrotman>and so?
20:56<abrotman>dewente: maybe ask #bash on freenode
20:56<dewente>abrotman, but that book is good ? do you recommend it ?
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20:57<gravity>dewente: It's a good book, but I don't refer to it much
20:58<abrotman>dewente: it is a good book .. but it's not just on bash
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21:01<dewente>ok dudes .. i need a good book of administration
21:03<dewente>i got the pdf of unix power tools
21:03<abrotman>unix system administrator's handbook
21:03<abrotman>doesn't google have like a top 10 list ?
21:04<dewente>how can i see that list ?
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21:04<abrotman>ask google?
21:04<dewente>unix system administrator's handbook is too old book
21:04<abrotman>then stop asking us
21:05<gravity>dewente: There's the Debian Bible, but it's a bit outdated now
21:05<abrotman>why is the USAH too old?
21:05<gravity>I don't know how much sysadmin stuff there is
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21:13<complexity_>where do you guys/gals rate apress for books ?
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21:14<gravity>Hit or miss. Some sorta weak editing at times.
21:14<gravity>They published Resig's Javascript book, which is very good
21:14<complexity_>I currently own 3 books, and I am not impressed
21:14<complexity_>2 on bash and one on Mono
21:15<craigevil>book? as in hard copy ick why bother
21:15<complexity_>are they available for free d/l?
21:16<complexity_>books are good for instant reference
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21:24<xmelvinx>Nemoder, are u there?
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21:41<n00bi3>for newbies the version of debian most recommended is etch or testing?
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21:43<baitchutert>i'm kind of a noob having switched over after a few months of ubuntu. on my notebook i think lenny was the better decision
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21:44<baitchutert>it's some 2 1/2 years old and etch didn't support a lot of it out of the box
21:45<n00bi3>baitchutert: i heard that lenny has a few bugs and the better choice for newbies is etch. that's why i asked
21:46<baitchutert>I thought so but I think lenny is fine. and you can still switch back if you don't like it. I used netinstall. worked fine for me
21:47<avu>n00bi3, lenny does still have a few critical bugs, yes, otherwise it would be released already
21:47<n00bi3>baitchutert: yea. anyway if i have etch and wanned to change for lenny is just edit my /etc/apt/sources.list with lenny repositories?
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21:48<baitchutert>don't know about that. I simply installed lenny
21:48<n00bi3>avu: yup.
21:48<upsilon>n00bi3: yes
21:49<n00bi3>upsilon: thank you
21:49<upsilon>but it can break...
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21:50<gravity>n00bi3: I'd go with Etch until Lenny is released. If you really need Lenny sooner, you can easily move to it, but you can't easily move to etch from lenny. Downgrades aren't supported.
21:50<gravity>n00bi3: So yeah, start with Etch, and go from there
21:51<n00bi3>gravity: right! :D
21:52<scribebox>xubuntu is pretty solid with sycos kernel
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21:55<jada>hablan español
21:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:56<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:58<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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22:31<jjsousa>Boa noite!!
22:31<jjsousa>Alguem por aí?
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22:35<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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23:15<jidm>Hi. My X crashes when choosing Restart or Power Down from the main menu. I'm using debian testing with gnome and compiz.
23:16<jidm>i have to ctrl-alt-backspace to finally restart/power down my pc
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23:17<jidm>where can i look for logs to see what is happening ?
23:17<qq->jidm: hehe , to nice
23:18<jidm>i mean i want to see some log files, but i dont know where to look for them
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23:19<jidm>hi qq. thanks :P
23:19<qq->all this only to spam the channel
23:19<jidm>qq: sorry?
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23:20<qq-> ctrl-alt-backspace don't restart any pc , first
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23:21<qq->and with " Restart or Power Down from the main menu" is normal to stop X
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23:25<rrm>Hi. I have a quick question. I installed kde-core... How can i remove all it installed?
23:26<dmoerner>!remove kde
23:26<dpkg>[remove kde] aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a
23:27<chealer>rrm: which Debian suite do you use?
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23:27<rrm>etch 4.0r4
23:27<chealer>jidm: in /var/log/
23:27<chealer>rrm: which package manager do you use?
23:27<rrm>apt-get aptitude
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23:28<rrm>i think that command worked
23:28<jidm>qq: I have to restart my X (not my pc) in order to start the process of shutting down/restarting my pc
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23:29<jidm>my X freezes instantly when i press the Restart or Power Down button in the screen, or fisically
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23:30<jidm>it started happening since a week ago
23:31<rrm>!remove gnome
23:31<dpkg>remove gnome is, like, aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common
23:31<jidm>sorry im not expert english speaker, but i do mi best
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23:32<wpgreenway>why not just type "shutdown now" as root?
23:32<wpgreenway>that way X can't break on you! :-P
23:33<jidm>i follow these steps: first i press Restart button on the screen. Suddenly my X freezes, then so i press ctrl-alt-backspace and thanks to this my pc follows the steps of restarting (that is what i've choosed with my mouse)
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23:34<jidm>wpgrenway: thanks for the tip! but im trying to know why is this happening
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23:35<jidm>do you know any log file where i can search for an error?
23:35<jidm>i think is something with privileges, or with compiz
23:36<henkmetselaar>(11:27:33) chealer: jidm: in /var/log/
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23:36<jidm>thanks henkmetselaar
23:38<wpgreenway>jidm: are you using gdm or kdm?
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23:38<jidm>im using gdm
23:39<jidm>and im using debian testing. I know gdm was updated recently
23:39<jidm>maybe is an issue with it
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23:41<wpgreenway>did you find anything in the Xorg log?
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23:42<jidm>im checking
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23:44<jidm>wpgreenway: there are some warnings, but no errors are present
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23:47<sheriff>Can I manually set reverse DNS in the same way that I can set basic lookup in /etc/hosts?
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23:49<evilGUI>.msg bot936 send xdcc #115
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23:53<wpgreenway>jidm: there was a bug report recently with a similar claim, but theirs actually gave errors in the console. Does your screen do anything other than freeze when you try to shut down? (does it start to go black or anything?)
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23:55<jidm>my screen just freezes and i see like a picture the instant i press the button (e.g. restart) and my computer does nothing
23:55<jidm>so i press ctrl-alt-backspace and X closses and thre process continues
23:56<jidm>i see a error line but i cant reach to read it
23:56<jidm>did i say it correctly?
23:56<wpgreenway>that's interesting
23:57<jidm>can you please pass me the url of that bug to see if is that similar to mine?
23:58<jidm>i didnt learn yet to deal with bugs :/
23:59<wpgreenway>trying to find it again, one moment.
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