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---Logopened Fri Sep 19 00:00:52 2008
00:02<wpgreenway>i just noticed that it was a recent bug with testing and gdm, so i thought that it may be similar
00:03<wpgreenway>after hearing you explain what happens further, though, it sounds very different.
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00:19<jidm>maybe is that error what i see
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00:19<daniiel>randomly (like right now), my memory usage will get really unusually high, although top does not list any thing as using any real large amount of ram, could this be a memory leak of some kind ? im running practically nothing and using about 1 gig of ram (way more than usual).
00:20<jidm>i'll bookmark the bug and try to reboot my pc to see if it is the same
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00:25<wpgreenw1y>daniiel: what does top say for the # of tasks and # sleeping? just out of curiosity
00:26<mds58>I am having trouble figuring out how to configure my virtual com port can someone give me a walkthrough of how to see and modify my com settings
00:27<mds58>that was wierd???????????????????????
00:27<mds58>ok my screen just goofed up sorry
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00:32<daniiel>wpgreenwly, someone explained it to me on freenode, but..: 61total 2run 59sleep
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03:02<sheldonh>in the apache (not apache2) build in etch, how does build-tree-apache come into existance?
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03:06<alibaba>can someone help me about this error?
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03:06<jm_>alibaba: no doubt someone can
03:08<daniiel>that looks like the error i get from not having libncurses5-dev installed
03:09<jm_>!tell alibaba -abput menuconfig
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03:10<alibaba>yes it's better wth libncurses5-dev
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04:12<sheldonh>okay, i think i've figured out the apache build. now...
04:12<sheldonh>in a multipackage build, how do i arrange for just one package to include a particular README in its usr/share/doc/pkgname?
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04:15<sheldonh>i want my apache-suexec package to contain a README (not README.suexec), and i don't want it to replace README in all the other packages
04:15<sheldonh>maybe i should ask on -mentors
04:16<JoY_>a dopo..
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04:25<jm_>sheldonh: there's a file list for each package isn't there?
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04:28<sheldonh>jm_: ja. got a good suggestion from -mentors: put it in debian/suexec-docs/README and then refer to that file in debian/apache-suexec :)
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04:42<sheldonh>doh, i've forgotten how to extract apache-1.3.34 given the source package (.dsc, .orig.gz, .diff.gz)
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04:43<sheldonh>dpkg-source -x
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05:06<kise>I need to reassembly a Raid created with mdadm. and to do that i need to specify the devices, eks =/dev/sda but i do not know what disk was called that on my old computer, does it mather or what the order the discs is added
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05:17<Student>Greetings All
05:18<Student>kindly guide me about ---> when i write this line "route del default eth0" in the /etc/ppp/ip-up script , it does't work
05:18<Student>but when i write the same command in the console, it deletes the default
05:18<Student>why is it so?
05:19<jm_>Student: try using absolute path for route command
05:21<Student>>--- /sbin/route <--- like that?
05:21<Student>ok ok
05:21<Student>let me check
05:21<Student>but i have to d/c
05:21<Student>sorry ;)
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05:25<sheldonh>kise: if it's RAID1, it certainly doesn't matter. i can't answer for other raid levels
05:25<kise>sheldonh, i know =) but it is a raid 5..
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05:26<sheldonh>kise: better wait from an answer from someone more clued up
05:26<Student>jm_: that does't work
05:26<Student>same result
05:26<jm_>Student: then log its output and chck it out
05:26<Student>how to log the output?
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05:26<jm_>is it a shell script?
05:27<Student> it is written /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
05:27<jm_>that doesn't answer my question
05:27<Student>ok :)
05:27<kise>sheldonh, =) thanks anyway its not a problem yet, i have not moved it yet.. =)
05:27<Student>so how to answer your question?
05:27<jm_>how does the file you put in that dir look like?
05:28<Student>it looks like a simple text file
05:28<Student>why is it so?
05:28<jm_>and what's in it?
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05:29<jm_>one other thing I can think of - ppp adds another default route so perhaps "route del default" doesn't know which one to remove - i.e. you have to be more specific about it
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05:29<Student>----> #!/bi==p-up script for all to tunnel routing
05:29<Student>---> /sbin/route del default eth0
05:29<Student>that is written in the file jm_
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05:29<Student>i don't know
05:29<jm_>what is its first line?
05:30<Student>i just wrote what i just saw in the fle
05:30<Student>----> #!/bi==p-up script for all to tunnel routing <-- this is the first line
05:30<jm_>change that to #!/bin/sh
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05:31<benjamin>Student, may be you could pastie your file
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05:32<Student>benjamin i just pasted it
05:32<Student>and i am trying what jm_ said
05:32<Student>benjamin: it is just 2 line file
05:33<Student>ok dear jm_ , i have to d/c again and check
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05:33<benjamin>"#!/bi==p-up script for all to tunnel routing" ??
05:33<benjamin>Does that mean anything?
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05:36<variable>what comman shows my ipaddress all other stuff?
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05:54<Student>jm_: that works
05:54<Student>but tell me one thing how to debug the output if we want to?
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05:54<jm_>exec 1>/tmp/mylog;exec 2>&1;set -x
05:55<Student>what is this?
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05:56<Student>jm_: are you there?
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05:57<jm_>it's a set of shell commands
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06:14<variable>i installed MySQL Connector/J on etch but i couldn't connect with my java app to mysql and i think it's because it cannot load drivers or it cannot find it, but if it is debian package it should work correctly, or i still need to make some calasspath?
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06:18<Guest515>variable: just very remotely related: for me in lenny the openoffice mysql connector bridge a few weeks ago did not work with fsf java, but with sun java..
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06:19<yos87>I have question, what should I type to pass noacpi in the boot minue when installing debian?
06:19<variable>Guest515, so what you did that your app could load those drivers?
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06:19<Guest515>variable: "my" app was openoffice
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06:19<jm_>yos87: it should be acpi=off if you want to disable ACPI
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06:20<MadHag>2 debian channels is confusing :)
06:20<petemc>theres more than 2
06:20<pmaddog320>is debian the same as ubuntu ?
06:20<MadHag>that's a big no
06:21<N00Bi3>nope. ubuntu is debian-based
06:21<Guest515>variable: it seems using an additional classpath could not be wrong:
06:21<MadHag>ubutnu is the same as debian
06:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:21<pmaddog320>is it better than because im on ubuntu and to be honest its kinda boring at the moment
06:21<MadHag>the channel?
06:22<pmaddog320>no ubuntu lol
06:22<MadHag>you will be asleep in no time here then
06:22<N00Bi3>how do u mean "boring"?
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06:23<yos87>jm_ I did, I stall have the same problem
06:23<MadHag>no sex, drogs and rk n roll of course
06:23<pmaddog320>im a newbie so just a bit frustraited at the moment lol
06:23<MadHag>drugs even
06:23<pmaddog320>tried to get help on the ubuntu chanle but there busy
06:23<MadHag>whats up
06:24<variable>Guest515, what i do have is /usr/share/java/mysql-connector-java-5.0.4.jar but in that wiki is showen mysql-connector-x.x.x-java-bin.jar (with the bin) is it the same or not?
06:24<MadHag>computer wont start
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06:24<yos87>jm_ i'm installing debian , and it stuck on detect network hardware, they said here that you have to pass the noacpi'
06:24<pmaddog320>just woundering how to configure my email out in evolution
06:24<MadHag>wow, big problem :)
06:24<MadHag>go to settings/preferences
06:24<pmaddog320>hahahaha sorry guys im used to windows
06:24<yos87>jm_ I didn't really understand how to pass the noacpi
06:24<pmaddog320>as i said im a newbie
06:25<MadHag>do what I just said
06:25<variable>Guest515, i fix it thanks ;]
06:25<jm_>yos87: it's a kernel option, and according to kernel docs it's acpi=off not not noacpi
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06:26<yos87>jm_ I didn't understand
06:27<MadHag>wheres he gone
06:27<jh>Hey, does anyone have any experience with windows vista buissiness and samba domain logon's in etch? Performancewise for example?
06:27<N00Bi3>u like games pmaddog320? try installing smc (secret mario chronycles, i think) or battle for wesnoth (strategy) or regnum online (mmorpg) so you won't feel boring anymore. if u don't like games try reading the most documentation possible about linux and ubuntu so u can learn more :P
06:28<N00Bi3>it will keep you busy
06:28<MadHag>for pmaddog320 if he comes back
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06:29<laurie> Hi...
06:29<laurie> While trying to upgrade Samba from the internet using the "Synaptic Package" software I got the following error:
06:29<laurie> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.24-6etch10_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
06:29<laurie> I tried to stop Samba and uninstall it using the command " /etc/init.d/samba stop ", but I just can't uninstall it. Can anyone give me an indication of how to fix this and THANK YOU.
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06:32<yos87>jm_ how can I know what is the kernel version i'm installing?
06:33<jm_>larsaa: debug the script to find out why it fails (and don't ask yes/no qustions) -- probably stopping samba fails
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06:33<jm_>yos87: it tells you when you it boots -- Linux version 2.6... as first line
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06:33<yos87>jm_ it's not telling
06:33<jm_>yos87: yes it is
06:33<N00Bi3>yos87: uname -a
06:34<yos87>jm_ it just say debian 5.0 lenny build
06:34<jm_>yos87: that's probably boot loader, not kernel - you most likely have 2.6.24 kernel
06:34<N00Bi3>try uname --help
06:35<yos87>jm_ my laptop requier kernel over 2.6.25
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06:35<MadHag>look in system monitor, first tab, will tell you all
06:35<jm_>yos87: there's etch installer with 2.6.26 AFAIK
06:35<jm_>yos87: actually 2.6.25
06:36<yos87>jm_ so, i will get etch?
06:36<jm_>yos87: that is entirely up to you
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06:37<N00Bi3>i heard that etch is the most recommended for those who are just leaving windows and going to debian
06:38<MadHag>yeah, etch text mode, easy.
06:38<craigevil>etch has 2.6.25? etchnhalf only has 2.6.24
06:38<yos87>n00Bi3: I'm chatting with you from my Debian Desktop, But I'm trying to install it on my new laptop]
06:38<jm_>it's unofficial installer
06:38<weasel>craigevil: etch has 2.6.18 and 2.6.24.
06:38<N00Bi3>yos87: oh
06:38<jm_>yos87: try this one
06:39<laurie>Hi...while trying to upgrade my Samba from the internet using the Synaptic Package, I got the following error "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.24-6etch10_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102" Now I can't uninstall it nor return to my CDs to reinstall it. Can anyone give me a clue what to do ? Thank you.
06:40<yos87>jm_ i'm downloading it
06:40<N00Bi3>yos87: the laptop only accept a "specific" version of one kernel?
06:41<yos87>N00Bi3 : itn's hunging with the normal installation, But after I read this
06:42<yos87>it say you should stop the noacpi
06:43<N00Bi3>oh crap :/
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06:46<dli_>laurie: more try " dpkg --force-all --purge samba" first, that would remove all conf files for samba also.
06:47<dli_>laurie, if still fails, try to edit the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.prerm
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06:54<jm_>laurie: debug the script to find out why it fails (and don't ask yes/no qustions) -- probably stopping samba fails
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07:00<Arthuza>hey all .. i know it aint a full debian question but i am running etch .. i have my own SSL certificate and it works for but wont work for (plesk) it uses it's default one ... any idea's ?
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07:01<laurie>dLi_ I tried the command but it still refers to the 102 error and being a new comer to Debian i'm not sure what to look for in the samba.prerm
07:01<jm_>add "set -x" as second line
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07:03<sheldonh>how can i extract foo.postrm and friends from a binary package (.deb)?
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07:04<N00Bi3>sheldonh: # apt-get install alien, alien -d foo.postrm
07:04<N00Bi3>oops, isn't it .rpm the last three words?
07:05<sheldonh>no :)
07:05<N00Bi3>srry then
07:05<N00Bi3>u download it from apt-get?
07:05<sheldonh>as in postrm, postinst... the scripts that are run when you install, remove, etc.
07:05<sheldonh>i built it. i want to see whether the files made it into the package
07:05<ghostlines>how i do find out out if i'm running a 32bit or 64bit distro via terminal?
07:05<N00Bi3>oh... i don't know, sorry :S
07:06<jm_>sheldonh: ahh I use ar
07:06<jm_>sheldonh: or mc :)
07:06<qq->sheldonh: dpkg -x name.deb dir
07:06<jm_>or dpkg --extract
07:06<qq->cd dir
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07:08<sheldonh>dpkg -x doesn't extract metafiles
07:08<dpkg>sheldonh: I don't know, could you explain it?
07:08<sheldonh>knob :)
07:09<N00Bi3>the dpkg bot speak o,o
07:09<Simon42>sheldonh: dpkg-deb --control package.deb dir_for_control_files/
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07:11<dli_>laurie, edit the file,add a line of "exit 0" at the very beginning of it
07:12<dli_>laurie, of course, your samba should not be running before you do that.
07:12<ghostlines>can debian i686 handle more than 4gigs?
07:12<ghostlines>of ram
07:13<qq->sheldonh: why to use metafiles ? they used to point to a right filename, so use exact filename
07:13<qq->ghostlines: yes -use bigram trunk
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07:17<udohateme>THE NEGRO BRAIN
07:17<udohateme>FACT #17: Among human races numerous studies have been madeof the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fellwithin the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain.Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd,and others. (23) (27)
07:17<udohateme>FACT #18: In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negrobrain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain andnervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrestedat an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement. (22) (27)
07:17<udohateme>FACT #19: The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer)of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions arefewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain. (9)
07:17<udohateme>FACT #20: The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstractconceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured,and less complex than those of the White brain. (9) (27) (23) (22)
07:17<qq->ghostlines: sorry, well -bigmem
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07:30<laurie>dli_ I did stop Samba but when i try the command to uninstall, i get a first error " unable to execute pre-removal script:Exec format error" " and a second error "subprocecess removal script returned error exit status 2"
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08:02<enkrypt>what is the recommended way to quickly pin a package to its current version?
08:03<petemc>enkrypt: /msg dpkg old
08:03<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
08:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
08:03<dpkg>nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
08:03<craigevil>enkrypt: hold or apt/pinning>
08:03<petemc>learningtofly: you can /msg the bot
08:04<learningtofly>why ?
08:04<petemc>so as not to flood the channel
08:04<enkrypt>petemc: thx
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08:21<ebp>Hello how i disable the pc speaker on lenny?
08:22<petemc> /msg dpkg bell
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08:25<ebp>petemc, what i can't hust write dpkg bell in terminal, dpkg is a packages manager
08:25<jm_>ebp: you can also unload the kernel driver for it
08:25<jm_>do it in IRC client
08:25<petemc>ebp: in your irc client, /msg dpkg bell
08:25<petemc>dpkg is a bot in this channel
08:25<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, petemc
08:26<petemc>i sometimes think the name can be confusing to some
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08:28<ebp>thanks :)
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08:34<shiznatix>hello. I am having some troubles with installing Debian stable, getting a hda: lost interrupt error. Can anyone help me?
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08:36<qq->shiznatix: sound as hard disk truble
08:36<shiznatix>qq-: I thought the same but I was able to install Mandriva perfectly no problems at all
08:37<qq->well , what debian install have you tried ?
08:37<kise>Anyone here that knows a lot about mdadm?
08:38<qq->!tell kise about ask
08:38<shiznatix>qq-: the latest "stable". It is the only one I am able to get a iso of, I wanted to try some older versions but I dont know how to make an iso file and I can't find one either. I need to do a net install because I can only install via small USB stick
08:39<shiznatix>qq-: I am using unetbootin to make my bootable USB stick so I am limited to what that has available and its either debian stable, testing, or unstable
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08:40<qq->you means etch 4.04 ?
08:40<shiznatix>qq-: I suppose.
08:41<shiznatix>qq-: I am going to go with yes, that is what i am trying to run
08:41<ranix>Help! My mouse randomly stopped working in X this morning. I'm using Lenny. I have tried manually editing xorg.conf to change the stub Device for "Configured Mouse" to have stuff like Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" but no dice
08:41<ranix>I have also tried plugging it into a USB port via an adapter, and saw no output in virtual console 1
08:42<jm_>!usb mouse test
08:42<dpkg>[usb mouse test] "cat /dev/input/mice", wiggle it. does it print crap?
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08:42<ranix>jm_: thanks for that. No crap found
08:43<jm_>ranix: cat /proc/bus/input/devices
08:43<ranix>jm_: no mouse
08:44<qq->shiznatix: try a lenny beta2
08:44<jm_>ranix: do you have driver loaded at all?
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08:44<ranix>jm_: what do I lsmod?
08:44<jm_>ranix: lsmod and paste it on some paste site -- also check /proc/devices
08:45<shiznatix>qq-: will do. I will let you know how that works out after I get it installed
08:45<ranix>jm_: I looked at insmod and I see nothing relating to mice or mouse or psaux or anything similar
08:46<jm_>ranix: is it ps/2 mouse?
08:46<ranix>jm_: yes
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08:46<jm_>ranix: psmouse is driver name
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08:47<ranix>jm_: insmod psmouse produces "no such file or directory"
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08:48<ranix>jm_: nevermind, modprove -i psmouse loaded it
08:48<jm_>ranix: that sounds like it doesn't detetct your mouse - are you sure it's working?
08:48<jm_>uhm yeah, it's no such file, not no such device, silly me
08:49<jm_>ranix: check input/devices file now
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08:50<ranix>jm_: aaah
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08:50<ranix>jm_: thanks for the help
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08:50<ranix>jm_: I figured it out. Looks like a motherboard USB bug
08:51<ranix>jm_: if I boot with an Ipod Shuffle attached to a usb port my mouse doesn't work
08:51<ranix>jm_: otherwise it works
08:51<ranix>I'm baffled as to the underlying reason but that is definitely the problem
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08:51<jm_>ranix: check if there's a BIOS upgrade that fixes it
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08:52<jm_>ranix: but on the other hand, why does it work if you manually load psmouse module later on?
08:52<ranix>jm_: k, thanks for the help.
08:52<ranix>jm_: it didn't
08:53<Simon42>is there a "debian way" to check if I'm in a chroot in my package-scripts?
08:53<ranix>jm_: it's like output from ps2 and usb is squelched to all devices
08:53<ranix>jm_: except the keyboard ps2
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08:54<jm_>ranix: sounds very weird
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08:54<jm_>Simon42: check udev - it does that IIRC
08:55<Simon42>jm_: good idea. thanks.
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09:04<rjent>Greetings, I need to do a bit of audio work, what is a good microphone to use with audacity?
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09:05<cahoot>rjent: I'd try that question in #lad on
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09:06<rjent>cahoot: ok, if I am recommended a usb mic I wanted to be sure it works with debian is why I asked here.
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09:17<indistylo>Hello Linux Folks
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09:18<Blaziken>hi everyone
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09:25<indistylo_>can any one tell me How to mount NTFS partitions in Linux....i have tribooting system :)
09:26<wnd>sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/foo /where/to
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09:27<indistylo_>Hey WND thanks 4 responding ....but i tried this already ...and its nt working
09:27<indistylo_>i done this.... fdisk -l
09:28<indistylo_>created direc ... and then ur sudo mount...
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09:32<Blaziken>I've got a big problem
09:32<Blaziken>I can't mount partitions on gnome
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09:33<Blaziken>to mount I must use the terminal
09:33<Blaziken>but when I mounted hda1 it disappeared from "computer"
09:33<Blaziken>I did umount but...
09:34<Blaziken>however hda7 after mounted it didn't disappear
09:34<Blaziken>how can I solve?
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09:34<Blaziken>hda1 isn't in fstab °_° I have Debian Lenny
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09:37<T_X>hi there! I want to enlarge my encrypted partition. did anyone here (successfully) try this before? I had a look at the article at yet, but there are still some points I need clarification for...
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09:39<wnd>indistylo_, so you ran "fdisk -l /dev/foo" to get the device for the paritition (lets call it /dev/foo), created mountpoint with "mkdir /where/to", and tried mounting with "mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/foo /where/to" as root? what did it print out? did you check kernel log?
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09:40<wnd>Blaziken, what do you really want to do? as normal user you shouldn't need to mount hard drive partitions in the first place.
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09:41<T_X>my first partitions /dev/sda1, the already encrypted one goes from 1-1274, /dev/sda2, the empty one, goes from 1275-4538 and I want to unite these two primary partitions now
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09:44<T_X>is that the right order? I was a bit confused when the first instruction said, that I'd have to put the unallocated space to the left of the crypt partition
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09:44<T_X>viewing from gparted, this looks like unallocated space before the crypted partiton...
09:45<T_X>but should be after, so the way it is now, right?
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09:49<qq->try "ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/"
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09:50<T_X>do you mean me? if yes, what should that output tell me?
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10:06<catlee>Does anybody have some good ideas about how to maintain a single package for releasing to multiple distributions (Debian stable/unstable, backports, and Ubuntu)?
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10:09<info>no i deleted the filesystem on my stick with gparted befor that i changed it to fat32 and with dd i put an iso image on it
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10:10<T_X>well, is there a way to make a backup of the partition table?
10:11<info>oh okay i restarted now it works
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10:11<info>there is a restart required maybe
10:12<info>doesnt know why it didnt changed befor
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10:13<info>but there are stil 4kb of the usb stick in use maybe the bios
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10:14<T_X>what should be my equivalent for /dev/hardy/root ?
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10:17<jackyf>weasel: strong sentence :)
10:18<weasel>jackyf: ?
10:18<jackyf>[17:26:17] <weaz> l
10:18<jackyf>oh, sorry
10:18<jackyf>damn completer
10:18<jackyf>weaz: strong sentence :)
10:19<weaz>oh sorry the wrong window had focus :S
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10:25<catlee>I don't want to start a flamewar, but does the recent Mozilla EULA / Ubuntu resolution have any consequences for Firefox / Iceweasel on Debian?
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10:27<pumpkin0>catlee: no. Cause debian calls it iceweasel anyway.
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10:29<catlee>pumpkin0, right, my question is does the recent Mozilla / Ubuntu thing have any relevance for being able to go back to using "firefox" in Debian?
10:30<pumpkin0>catlee: i don't think so. Mozillas position did not really change..
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10:33<themill>there was a resolution to that?
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10:35<pumpkin0>themill: mozilla wants to rename the EULA to something else, like VLA (vendor licence agreement..)
10:35<stevecotton>catlee: yes, it's made the name "Iceweasel" known to a bigger circle of people :)
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10:36<themill>I know the story, but there seemed to be no _resolution_ other than ubuntu talking about another firefox fork.
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10:40<MadHag>is there an avg package for etch?
10:40<MadHag>or avast
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10:44<CosmicB>MadHag: clamav out of the question ?
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11:00<Menino>olá pessoal..
11:00<Menino>tem aquem aí?
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11:01<kmx89>ciao a tutti
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11:02<Dariel>pada ngomong apa sih?
11:03<Dariel>nggak ngerti
11:03<noflash>this an English speaking channel
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11:08<MadHag>clamav is a threat to my system apparently
11:08<MadHag>according nessus
11:09<MadHag>hang, just getting some results
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11:09<MadHag>uebimaiu and clamav have security flaws
11:10<MadHag>just waiting for a scan to finish
11:10<petemc>i think nessus might be the real problem
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11:10<CosmicB>MadHag: how about then (deb packagese)
11:10<MadHag>too picky
11:10<MadHag>yeah, that looks good
11:10<MadHag>just need to purge clamav
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11:11<MadHag>clamav tells me I have 32 infected files but it will not tell me where :)
11:11<MadHag>on a debian box
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11:12<MadHag>clamav irc channel is not helpful
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11:12<petemc>why are you constantly messing with firewalls and doing things like scanning your system for viruses?
11:13<petemc>or rootkits
11:13<ranix>how do you even get viruses on debian
11:13<MadHag>because I have not sorted this issue
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11:13<MadHag>DirectAdmin is a bit of a sod
11:13<ranix>man clamav or clamav --help will show you how to control output, MadHag
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11:14<MadHag>no man file
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11:14<MadHag>or help, I have tried it
11:14<ranix>clamav --help
11:14<ranix>my fault
11:14<ranix>clamscan --help
11:14<MadHag>its not a normal install, directadmin does something
11:14<ranix>your fault for using wysiwig web administration software
11:15<MadHag>tell me about it
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11:15<MadHag>its a bloody dictator
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11:16<ranix>I don't understand how obtuse web-based administration is better than logging into a console and doing things manually or via scripts
11:16<ranix>/etc/skel is there for a reason
11:17<ranix>all you need for a hosting company is a ticket management system and billing system
11:17<petemc>i would disagree with that
11:17<petemc>the majority of customers will insist upon a control panel
11:18<ranix>I fail to understand
11:18<ranix>the ones who would insist upon a control panel are the ones who will not use/understand a control panel or who would use it specifically to break their own stuff
11:18<petemc>sit a 'normal' person in front of a shell interface and it should become clear
11:19<ranix>petemc: I would expect a simple website that explains to a user how to upload files via ftp
11:19<ranix>petemc: at most a sql server management page
11:20<info>lol all my files on my usb are readonly again omg
11:20<info>i get crazy really
11:20<petemc>i think your point is you dont like web guis, thats fine
11:20<petemc>lots of people do
11:20<ranix>not that I don't like them
11:20<ranix>I don't understand a web gui that would manage a website
11:20<ranix>what can it possibly do
11:21<petemc>same things you can do with a text editor
11:21<ranix>like, move and rename files?
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11:26<catalin>cheers all
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11:27<catalin>1 question .. when i try to connect to the internet via pppoe i get in the shel reason 13 multiple session
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11:27<catalin>what is wrong?
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11:28<info>i get crazy
11:28<info>i dont have acces to write on my usb
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11:30<MadHag>ranix the gui of DA is for clients, not just the admin
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11:31<MadHag>its not bad but still a bit of a pain
11:31<MadHag>and for 5€ a month its even better
11:32<chrisb>info: I had problems dealing with usb flash drives under a 2.4 series kernel until I realised that it was assigning drive names (sda, sdb, etc) in series and according to the serial number of the flash drive.
11:32<MadHag>avast is scanning like the clappers :)
11:33<chrisb>info: So if I switched from one drive (or usb item) to another /dev/sda would not work to mount the new drive - it had to be /dev/sdb, etc.
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11:58<Flakk>Hi people - I would like to change my desktop background, and I would prefer to have a theme where the names of the icons would be in BLACK - is that at all possible? the standard ones have the text in white.
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12:05<kaner>Flakk: its all possible
12:05<Flakk>kaner: how does one do it?
12:07<MadHag>omgili must be paying google for results
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12:08<cahoot>Flakk: google an ubuntu to the rescue:
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12:10<info>its me again
12:11<info>i have same problems like 3 houres no lol like 5 houres befor
12:11<Flakk>cahoot: thanks for a great reference!!! - studying
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12:12<info>I have only read rights on my usb stick
12:13<fxiny>how do you mount it ?
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12:15<rjent>I have a ma78gm-s2h and when I try to run the installer of lenny it reboots, anyone with this board have any ideas?
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12:19<cahoot>image for wrong cpu?
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12:21<erKURITA>any idea when kernel 2.6.27 is avaliable?
12:21<cahoot>not even released
12:21<erKURITA>I kno
12:21<erKURITA>I know*
12:21<erKURITA>that's why I'm asking
12:22<cahoot>only mr Thorvalds can have any idea
12:23<jrv2kgt-s>you can always sign-up on the kernel mailing list for a day. ;-)
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12:59<davi>Why is not the xmms etch packages included in Debian lenny?
13:00<Torsten_W>xmms isn't in debian anymore
13:00<cahoot>*xmms* is no more?
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13:01<fxiny>yes , gtk1 ?
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13:02<fxiny>but mighty xmms2 is avaiable :))
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13:08<shivraj>my cups stopped working
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13:08<shivraj>I cant connect to :631
13:08<shivraj>Im using sid, is there a way to downgrade ?
13:09<shivraj>why isnt cups running in sid ?
13:09<blarson>!tell shivraj about downgrade
13:10<Flakk>cahoot: I tried the page you suggested however the recipy form that page does not work He suggests to make a new file .gtkrc-2.0 and suggests the contents of it. I did it all and restarted. nothig changed. Maybe the problem is that I have already some gtkrc-file? it is called gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 , but in it there is warning: do not edit
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13:13<cahoot>Flakk: I broke the rules and added include "/home/<user>/.gtkrc.mine" to that file
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13:13<Flakk>cahoot: there is ALREADY this line!
13:14<Flakk>but what do I do next?
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13:14<info>hey , i have problems my datasystem is wrong on my usb and its set read only how can i change this now cant even change it with root...
13:14<magyar_>hi, is there a utility to test CPUs?
13:14<Flakk>I thought that I should write into this .mine all what is suggested on the page
13:15<cahoot>Flakk: did you put your changes in the file that's supposed to be included?
13:15<Flakk>cahoot: I took the file gtkrc.2-0 which is suggested on the web[age. then I saved it as gtkrc.mine. Then I restarted - and helas nothing
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13:18<shivraj>what's the default password for cups ?
13:18<info>i wanna finish get my server now =(
13:18<info>PLEASE HELP!
13:19<Flakk>cahoot: any idea?
13:19<cahoot>not really
13:19<cahoot>I never mess with themes and such
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13:22<daniiel>info, you can't mount a usb drive ?
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13:25<blarson>shivraj: You can use your root password.
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13:27<Flakk>cahoot: in any case thanx for the info - it seems to work for others
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13:35<np_complete>anybody there?
13:35<ansgar>np_complete: No.
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13:36<np_complete>hey, I have a problem with mi ati radeon
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13:36<np_complete>I've an etch, with the driver installed, and lsmod shows it.
13:36<np_complete>but I get the "no scrrens founds" error...
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13:37<np_complete>I've been searching answers, but I was unlucky
13:38<np_complete>how can I know the parameters of my screen? I mean the freqs...
13:39<np_complete>Eht only know I know is that is an 15'4" WXGA
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13:43<Uurgh>Hi. Has anyone got any tips on getting Lua to work (with c++) ? Trying to compile even the most basic examples results in the compiler complaining about undefined refferences to Lua functions.
13:43<daniiel>np_complete, using etch or lenny ?
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13:45<daniiel>run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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13:45<daniiel>might/should help
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13:45<np_complete>It dosen't
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13:45<np_complete>I did "aticonfig --initial" and "modprobe fglrx"
13:46<shivraj>is there a way to create a new session on a cd with space ?
13:46<np_complete>the kernel loads the driver properlly
13:46<daniiel>oh your using fglrx driver ?
13:46<np_complete>but i get the "no devices found, no screens found" error...
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13:47<np_complete>which one should I use? I'm not a gamer, I just dont want to use the vesa driver.... and I have to do osme projects in opengl
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13:48<np_complete>I don't know the specs of my screen, cause I left'em in Valencia (Spain), now I'm in Ireland
13:49<np_complete>in a internet coffe, quite expenssive! I don't have broadband at home yet!
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13:49<np_complete>the only thing I know Is that's a 15'4 wxga
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13:51<daniiel>in etch use the ati
13:51<np_complete>I love debian stable, I won't use ubutnu at all.
13:51<daniiel>aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati
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13:52<daniiel>echo ati >> /etc/modules
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13:52<daniiel>np_complete, no free internet at libraries ?
13:53<np_complete>not wired!!!!!!!!!
13:53<np_complete>I cam here to get the firmware
13:53<np_complete>my laptop is new
13:53<np_complete>at he college hey dont have wired access!
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13:54<np_complete>it might be easy to setup a VPN for restric access but they are too lazy I think...
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13:55<np_complete>I'm going to try the ati driver, wishme luck
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14:03<torrr>how to boot from raid 5?
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14:08<EmleyMoor>How, in lenny, do I reload sound stuff - like /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload in etch?
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14:09<EmleyMoor>My sound cards have loaded in the wrong order
14:10<EmleyMoor>(I can think of only one way and it's too drastic)
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14:11<daniiel>i was wondering that aswell, alsa is missing from init.d
14:11<daniiel>maybe udev now does it ? , but i don't know how to..
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14:12<EmleyMoor>I don't want to have to reboot just for this
14:14<EmleyMoor>Ah, /usr/sbin/alsa force-reload
14:14<daniiel>awesome, good to know,thanks!
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14:27<info>can someone send me the link for linux boot with usb again
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14:28<dpkg>it has been said that google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at
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14:29<info>i need the special link i get befor because of the cdrom bug
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14:57<tarded>hi, is the 2.6.26 kernel available as a precompiled image?
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14:59<tarded>i've figurd that compiling the kernel manually is too much effort, but the latest image I can see in aptitude is 2.6.24
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14:59<NickPresta>tarded, in testing, 2.6.26-1-686 is available.
15:00<tarded>testing, as opposed to stable?
15:01<daniiel>testing as in lenny
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15:02<NickPresta>tarded, yes. Stable has 2.6.24 as the latest, as far as I can tell
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15:08<pistache>Hello all
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15:08<NickPresta>hi, pistache
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15:08<pistache>Juste one simple question (for now), in ubuntu a simple "modprobe -r pcspkr" could shut down the BIP. In Debian it's not working...
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15:09<pistache>What is the name of the module to shutdown ?
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15:10<daniiel>i can;t remember, i didn't compile it with the kernel..i forget
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15:11<diggyz>hmm does lenny installer support atl1 network cards?
15:13<daniiel>whats atl1, atheros ?
15:13<NickPresta>pistache, check out: and
15:14<pistache>thanks NickPresta
15:14<daniiel>!tell diggyz about atl1
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15:15<NickPresta>pistache, /usr/share/readline/inputrc uncomment 'set bell none'
15:15<diggyz>daniiel: strange that my debian installer cant find the card
15:16<daniiel>debian installer doesn't carry most wireless firmwares
15:16<daniiel>unless the are completely free
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15:16<diggyz>its ethernet card
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15:16<diggyz>so should i install the card after i installed debian?
15:17<daniiel>well, it applies to them too. like also no non-free video, sound, anything
15:17<daniiel>yes you can do that
15:17<daniiel>do you have an ethernet cable to use until then ?
15:17<diggyz>nah it cant fint the ethernet card =)
15:17<daniiel>err, wait
15:17<diggyz>driver i mean
15:18<daniiel>i need more coffee=P
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15:18<pistache>NickPresta > Thanks
15:18<NickPresta>pistache, :)
15:18<pistache>I did what you told me
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15:19<daniiel>well hmm lemme look at something, is that your only internet device ?
15:19<pistache>I hope it will work, but I think I've found another workaround
15:19<pistache>"modprobe -r snd_hda_spkr
15:19<diggyz>daniiel: ah no, i have some other computers
15:19<pistache>#join #mao
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15:21<daniiel>echo blacklist snd_hda_spkr >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
15:21<path_>there's another module if he's using 2.6.26
15:21<pistache>daniiel > I did that ;)
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15:22<path_>modprobe -r snd-pcsp pistache
15:22<daniiel>w00t! =P
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15:22<path_>and try to read changelogs :-)
15:22<daniiel>diggyz, that might be hard then..
15:23<daniiel>maybe a live cd (debian based)
15:23<daniiel>no no
15:23<daniiel>install the needed packages onto a usb drive or something
15:23<daniiel>to get the ethernet card working ?
15:24<diggyz>sound like lots of work just for my ethernet card, hmm
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15:24<daniiel>new hardware can be fun..
15:24<pistache>thanks path_
15:24<daniiel>oh yeah.. modprobe atl1
15:25<diggyz>is the module on the disc then?
15:25<daniiel>echo ath1 >> /etc/modules
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15:25<daniiel>built-in the kernel (supposed to be)
15:25<daniiel>not ath1
15:25<daniiel>i getting more coffee im making all kinds of mistakes
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15:27<daniiel>soo yeah,
15:28<diggyz>do i first need to finish the debian install or i can access a shell and do it rightn ow?
15:28<daniiel>echo atl1 >> /etc/modules
15:29<daniiel>during the debian install it didn't detect it automagickly ?
15:29<daniiel>what version ?
15:29<daniiel>etch or lenny
15:29<diggyz>4.0 someting
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15:30<daniiel>finish the install, or try using the etchnhalf installer
15:30<daniiel>which would mean a new cd
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15:30<daniiel>the installer probably just doesn't have support for that new of hardware, being etch
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15:31<diggyz>okey maybe i should try
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15:32<diggyz>does the full cd have more drivers then netinst?
15:35<diggyz>2.6.18 is the kernel on my disc
15:35<diggyz>guess its not the newest
15:35<qq->but try lenybeta2
15:35<daniiel>it's just the installer itself doesn't have the driver
15:36<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
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15:36<diggyz>okey gonna try the new lennybeta2, btw, package and stuff is all the same right? just a new installer?
15:36<daniiel>packages aren't the same in etch and lenny
15:36<diggyz>nah but i mean lenny and lenny beta 2
15:37<diggyz>thats just a newer install?
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15:37<daniiel>are you still doing your install ?
15:37<Lethalman>diggyz, new install = new package again :)
15:37<daniiel>with etch ?
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15:38<diggyz>its finished, but im figuring out a way to install the lennybeta2
15:38<diggyz>is it possible to put it on a usbstick?
15:38<daniiel>have your rebooted into the "new debian system" ?
15:39<daniiel>as root: echo atl1 >> /etc/modules ; reboot
15:39<diggyz>theres is no modprobe or insmod =)
15:39<daniiel>yes but this rerun udev and stuff too
15:39<diggyz>okey will try
15:39<daniiel>just simpler
15:40<mase>diggyz the easiest way to install debian to an usb-stick is to use "debootstrap"
15:40<daniiel>support is in the kernel it says, so this should work
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15:42<diggyz>it didnt work
15:42<daniiel>ifconcfig -a
15:42<daniiel>now show interface ?
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15:43<diggyz>mase: and if im on a windows machine? =)
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15:43<diggyz>just dd the iso file to the usb stick ? =) or it aint that simple
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15:44<diggyz>daniiel: atl1 not found
15:44<daniiel>well, go with lenny =P
15:44<diggyz>hehe gonna try it and see if it works with lennybeta2
15:45<daniiel>all my hardware is old, i never have to personal deal with problems such as these.
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15:46<mase>diggyz no, dd the iso to a stick does not work
15:46<stew>diggyz: /msg dpkg usb-install
15:47<mase>diggy but you are on debian right now?
15:47<diggyz>on my eeepc i am
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15:47<diggyz>soon on my htpc aswell, if the network card is found :p
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15:48<mase>diggy so you could use this laptop and debootstrap to install debian to the usb-stick. or what do you want to do? (sorry, i joined too late)
15:49<diggyz>ah thanks for the advice, already burned the lenny2 disk though
15:49<diggyz>debootstrap looks nice though
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15:50<mase>diggy yes, but you need to be able to handle grub as well
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15:52<diggyz>i can install via debootstrap from a livecd aswell?
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15:52<mase>may be, if it is installed on the live-cd
15:53<mase>ok, cool
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15:55<mase>but debootstrap does not setup some things the installer does. Ethernet-devices are missing for example. but if you are able to set them up, debootstrap is a really fast choice
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15:56<diggyz>the new installer worked fine aswell
15:56<diggyz>network found
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16:14<path_>pistache, np
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17:17<Tuplad>Can anyone help me out ? I was listening to music in debian and suddenly my sound disappeared and now I can't get it back :o
17:18<kop>Tuplad : Have you checked the obivous? No cables are unplugged? (That's about as far as I go with sound.)
17:20*Tuplad sighs
17:20<Tuplad>kop: indeed, lol
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17:21*Tuplad thanks kop
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17:30<AzaTht>can I assume that there is no one maintaining ツ
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17:31<T_X>hi there, it's me again. can I just use a live cd and play around with fdisk without really damaging anything? I can just restore it if I write down the things from 'fdisk -l', can't I?
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17:32<mase>T_X tried parted?
17:33<T_X>I mean, I could delete the first two primary partitions, make one out of them and reboot and see if it works somehow so far?
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17:33<T_X>what should be the difference? I'm a bit afraid that parted might also format some of the data :D
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17:34<T_X>I still want to enlarge an encrypted filesystem, by the way, that's my main goal. and I try to follow the following guide
17:34<T_X>but some things in this guide are still unclear for me
17:34<mase>T_X ? i don't get the point "without destoying anything". do you mean restoring the "OLD" state would really restore the old state?
17:35<T_X>well, if I just alter the partition table and restore the old partition table later?
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17:35<mase>just primary partitions?
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17:36<T_X>ok, I have a primary partition /dev/sda1 which has a crypted partition /dev/mapper/sda1_crypt inside. I now want to add the second primary partition /dev/sda2 which has just random data on it
17:36<T_X>so far, yes, later maybe more, but the primary one would be a start
17:36<mase>you want to extent it, ok
17:37<T_X>later I also want to add some size of the following extended partition, but let's start with the easier things first ;)
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17:39<mase>i would'nt rely that you are able to restore the former state any more
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17:39<T_X>so can I just delete the two primary partitions as stated in the guide and then make one new out of them?
17:39<mase>oh no
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17:40<mase>tried gparted? you can delete the second (empty) one and then resize the first one
17:40<T_X>I have no idea how the the crypt system etc. relie on the old filesize
17:40<T_X>hmm, I think I couldn't, the option was grey
17:40<T_X>for resizing
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17:40<mase>you have to unmount it of course
17:40<T_X>for resizing /dev/sda1, although I was using a live cd
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17:41<mase>may be the live cd mounted it
17:41<T_X>no, was a live cd. or will the option be available after applying the deletion?
17:41<mase>deletion of what? (don't erase the first partition!!!)
17:41<T_X>hmm, well, I'll check that, might be. but it probably didn't mount the encrypted partiton
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17:42<T_X>no, I deleted /dev/sda2
17:42<T_X>but the option for resizing /dev/sda1 was still grey
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17:42<T_X>but I didn't push the apply button yet
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17:43<mase>have you tried gparted? it normally shows you the reason. but it might be normal that you are not enable to resize an crypted partition since it does not appear as an valid filesystem
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17:43<T_X>yeah, gparted says it's an unknown partition
17:44<mase>ok, make sense
17:44<T_X>so what would happen if I did as the guide said?
17:44<mase>i think it's quite dangerous
17:44<T_X>just extending the parition table
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17:45<T_X>hmm, shit, and I don't have the possibility for a backup at the moment
17:45<mase>may work , but may also destroy the whole conten of your first partition (my opinion)
17:45<mase>hmm, mom
17:45<T_X>that's why I wanted to know if I could just restore the old partition table with a live cd if the normal system didn't boot after that anymore
17:46<T_X>brb, 5min
17:46<mase>ok, i got it. but, hmmm
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18:01<bluntz> anyone know how to setup the video capture bttv to work like it did on old kernels like 2.6.8 ?
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18:02<T_X>ok, so no idea if extending the underlying primary partition will affect the cryptpartition and the bootinprocess?
18:02<mase>bluntz ? whats the prob?
18:02<bluntz>have to rmmod bt878 and bttv
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18:03<T_X>but thanks maze
18:03<bluntz>modprobe bttv card=39 tuner=33
18:03<mase>T_X you can extend the partition what should not cause any problem
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18:03<bluntz>then the modules work
18:03<bluntz>I have a scr
18:03<bluntz>and would like to add it to startup
18:03<bluntz>for workaround
18:03<mase>bluntz you can set the parameters in /etc/modules (or something like that)
18:04<bluntz>modconf is discontinued I think
18:04<simonrvn>update-modules is
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18:04<mase>bluntz module parameter should not be a serious problem at boot time
18:04<bluntz>the old kernels did this auto
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18:05<mase>bluntz well, try setting the parameters in the /etc/modules file
18:05<bluntz>ok let me look
18:06<mase>bluntz i think the reason is that the recent kernel support more hardware models, causing the user to set the tuner etc (on some cards)
18:07<mase>bluntz may be you also can set the parameters in the aliases file, but i don't exactly know how
18:08<bluntz>ok I see
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18:08<mase>bluntz may be the /etc/modules file is not your goal because the module gets loaded before automatically
18:09<mase>bluntz and then you need "the" other file i can't remember. i think it was the alias-file
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18:11<bluntz>theres a modprobe.d
18:11<mase>bluntz mom
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18:13<mase>bluntz ok, that was the file. but the syntax is different to the othe file:
18:13<bluntz>well I think I tried that route
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18:13<mase>bluntz you have to add a line "option bttv card=...."
18:13<bluntz>the alias setting
18:14<blunted>can i remove a soundcard without actually taking the computer apart and if so how do i do it
18:14<mase>bluntz /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
18:14<bluntz>in modules?
18:14<blunted>cause i got 2 sound cards and applications always use the one that doesn't have speakers hooked up
18:15<mase>blunted just don't load the modules for the card you dont want to use
18:15<mase>blunted np
18:15<blunted>they are already loaded tho
18:16<mase>blunted you can blacklist them for example
18:16<blunted>how do i do that
18:16<bluntz>blunted thats funny cause I run 2 snd cards on pupose
18:16<mase>blunted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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18:17<mase>blunted but you should know what soundcard uses what modules. do they have the same module? than you have to configure alsa
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18:18<kdas>can some one help me out with making a bootable usb ?
18:19<mase>kdas tried debootstrap?
18:19<kdas>i copied the install.386 and boot dir to root and it boots up and all bu when it loads init.gz it does the "......." thing and then freezes
18:19<mase>kdas but you have to be able to set up grub correctly
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18:19<kdas>mase, i got it to boot before with out using debbootstarps
18:20<kdas>mase, i am doing a install cd not a live distro
18:20<kdas>install USB*
18:20<mase>kdas ok, it's just about grub?
18:20<kdas>mase, there is no grub involved lol its using syslinux
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18:20<blunted>screw that junk
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18:21<mase>syslinux is not the best choice for a usb stick
18:21<mase>(i think)
18:21<kdas>mase, according to all the (few) articles i read they use syslinux
18:22<kdas>mase, what should i use then ? grub?
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18:23<mase>kdas i do so, its working since since i can anything (parallel linux/dos/windows etc)
18:23<mase>*nice since
18:23<mase>oh fuck, bad sentence
18:23<kdas>mase, oh thats sounds good
18:23<kdas>mase, don't worry i an't a english freak
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18:24<mase>kdas the bad thing is that you have to be quite familiar to grub to get it work. once you got it its very easy
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18:26<kdas>mase, well if you willing to teach i am willing to learn :D
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18:27<kdas>mase, but you know how all the netinst disks(which i want to setup) use isolinux i was thinking os syslinux because i can use the menu soo.... grub can do the same thing?
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18:28<Barracuda>Un SaLuTo A TuTtI GlI AmIcI Di #debian
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18:28<mase>kdas syslinux is perfect on places where the bootloader has to be small and has to do (mostly) a "single" job, like cd's, pxe etc
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18:29<kdas>mase, understood, do you want to pm? considering grub i think is off topic ?
18:29<mase>kdas grub is the "whatever you want, i'll do it" version
18:29<kdas>mase, i like that :D
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18:30<kdas>mase, i am used to using lilo (old skool) but i gues everyone is moving to grub so i need to learn
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19:00<daniiel>hey kdas ! why are you still using lilo =P
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19:02<dgodfather>i have a problem
19:02<dgodfather>i upgraded from etch to lenny using the dist-upgrade
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19:03<dgodfather>if messed some of my files to a point where i couldn't do aptitue install for anything
19:03<dgodfather>i managed to solve that, and now i am left with the problem
19:03<dgodfather>i don't get any desktop
19:03<kdas>daniiel, greetz :), i am using grub now but never played with
19:03<kdas>daniiel, when i first started grub was some new buggy thing and lilo was the man
19:03<daniiel>dgodfather, be more specific !
19:04<dgodfather>how do i revive my gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm start/restart didn't work)
19:04<dgodfather>daniiel: i would very much like to, please direct me, cause i am a nub
19:04<kdas>dgodfather, killall gdm then gdm
19:05<daniiel>have you rebooted since the upgrade ? and it wasn't working afterwards ?
19:05<dgodfather>kdas: on killall gdm i am getting "no process to kill"
19:05<dgodfather>daniiel: yep. rebooted many times.
19:05<kdas>dgodfather, so then gdm is not running ?
19:05<kdas>be back
19:05<dgodfather>kdas: i guess but don't seem to be able to make it run
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19:06<daniiel>try an aptitude reinstall gdm
19:06<daniiel>err wait
19:06<rrm>guys... i can not remove wdm
19:06<daniiel>aptitude purge gdm && aptitude install gdm
19:06<rrm>comes back... really od
19:06<dgodfather>daniiel: OK
19:07<daniiel>what is wdm ? rrm
19:07<rrm>like gdm
19:07<rrm>window login
19:07<daniiel>!tell dgodfather about etch->lenny
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19:08<dgodfather>daniiel: i can't see what dpkg says to me i don't know how to in the irssi client i am on
19:08<daniiel>aptitude purge wdm
19:09<dgodfather>but already read what you asked to tell me
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19:09<daniiel>rrm, then maybe: /etc/init.d/wdm stop
19:10<daniiel>rmm: and, (just in case) update-rc.d wdm remove
19:10<dgodfather>be back in a sec checking if it worked
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19:10<daniiel>welcome back
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19:19<klivian>I'm having trouble with Rhythmbox on testing; each time it starts it complains that it's "unable to activate plugin" Jamendo, Magnatune Store, and Cover art. However, none of those plugins are enabled in the "Configure Plugins" dialog. Can anyone suggest things that I can investigate?
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19:21<daniiel>!tell klivian about google
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19:22<dgodfather>well i reinstalled gdm and that is ok but now it won't start saying it can't find the nv module
19:22<daniiel>lots of similar problems in ubuntu apparently which is probably related (as ubuntu uses(d) debian)
19:23<dgodfather>but i m-a installed the nvidia-driver so nv is unrequired
19:23<daniiel>ohhhh in lenny it's nvidia driver
19:23<dgodfather>how do i rebuild the xorg.conf automatically by recognizing the hardware again?
19:23<dgodfather>daniiel: what?
19:23<daniiel>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (in etch)
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19:24<dgodfather>daniiel: it won't work in lenny?
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19:24<daniiel>dgodfather, aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
19:24<daniiel>modprobe nvidia
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19:25<daniiel>then try again
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19:26<dgodfather>daniiel: no package with that name
19:26<daniiel>!tell dgodfather about nvidia-lenny
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19:27<daniiel>oh wow, the drivers aren't apparently included in lenny
19:27<daniiel>as dpkg said, check out the instructions ther
19:29<daniiel>klivian those websites help at all ?
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19:31<klivian>daniiel; Yes, sorry for the delay, it took me a bit, but I did eventually find an answer. Thanks for your help, and my apologies for asking something so obvious.
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19:32<daniiel>np =) if i had an answer i would've given it, but i didn't =P
19:33<klivian>Well, your discussion about the nvidia driver reminds me of a question that you probably will know the answer to: is there an easy way to switch between the official nvidia driver and nv?
19:33<klivian>(I have both installed, so no worries there.)
19:34<dgodfather>daniiel: in xorg.conf it sais Driver "nv"
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19:34<dgodfather>i think this is the problem cause i don't have nv installed
19:34<dgodfather>i just now installed the nvidia driver using the m-a
19:35<dgodfather>what can i do to make it work, P.S i can't read the !tell you send since i don't know how to in irssi
19:35<dgodfather>please tell me how to do that, i am used to pidgin sessions where i get notified in a seperate window
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19:37<klivian>dgodfather: If you're willing to tell me what you're trying to do, I'm willing to try to help you out. ;) Are you trying to get the official nvidia driver working, or the nv one?
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19:38<dgodfather>klivian: first i want to say thanks
19:38<dgodfather>at this point i don't care i just want to be able to start my gdm
19:38*klivian laughs. Sure. No guarantees, though!
19:38<dgodfather>preferable is to install the nvidia driver the debian way
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19:39<klivian>Okay, cool. Did you already install the needed packages? Also, are you on etch (stable)?
19:39<dgodfather>well i was on etch and upgraded to lenny right now and after fighting a few glitches the only one left was my without display
19:40<daniiel>klivian: an easy way: not that i know of ( unless you make a little sheel script, then yes =)
19:40<dgodfather>so i reinstalled gdm and now it won't start since xorg.conf says Driver is "nv"
19:40<dgodfather>and that it isn't installed
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19:41<dgodfather>klivian: so for short yes i am on lenny
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19:41<klivian>dgodfather: Okay, well, using the official nvidia driver (which I'll just call nvidia) is a bit harder on lenny; I'll see if I can get your basic X working with nv, and then get nvidia working.
19:42<dgodfather>klivian: gr8
19:42<blarson>dgodfather: use ^n and ^p to switch channels, or /win <number>
19:42<dgodfather>i am following you
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19:43<dgodfather>blarson: thanks
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19:43<klivian>First, type in 'aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-nv'. Toward the top there is a "State:" line. Is it installed or uninstalled?
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19:44<blarson>dgodfather: channels with messages to you will be highlighted on the [Act: section of the status line.
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19:44<dgodfather>klivian: not installed
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19:45<dgodfather>blarson: i don't see them hilighted
19:45<klivian>M'kay... Well, if you want graphics /now/ we can go ahead and install it. If you don't mind the command line, we can just get nvidia working.
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19:46<dgodfather>i don't mind the command line, lets get nvidia working but please make it the debian way
19:46<dgodfather>using the repos
19:47<dgodfather>klivian: it's ok? to do that threw repos? i just don't wanna mess my whole repositories
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19:47<klivian>dgodfather, all right, nvidia it is. I installed it on lenny on my computer a few weeks ago, and I'm still here, so... ;)
19:48<klivian>First, do you use aptitude or apt-get?
19:48<dgodfather>ammmmmmmm, both
19:48<dgodfather>but mostly apt-get
19:48<dgodfather>is there a difference in the result of the two
19:48<klivian>Ew, bad idea to use both (from what I've heard). You should standardise on one.
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19:49<dgodfather>klivian: what do you recommand?
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19:50<klivian>The biggest difference is that if you uninstall a package with aptitude it will automatically uninstall the dependencies that you don't need. So it saves you a little space. Also, it has a command-line interface (you can start it with just 'aptitude') that's kinda nice when you get used to it.
19:50<dgodfather>klivian: well aptitude it is from now on
19:50<klivian>Okay. Hold on just a sec...
19:50<dgodfather>klivian: i will
19:51<klivian>(I have to look something up.)
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19:52*daniiel agrees with klivian (about aptitude).
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19:53<klivian>Hey, I've been told that there's a command to run so that aptitude doesn't get confused when switching from apt-get; anyone remember it?
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19:54<cTATUK>Hey.. my Bug Buddy (reporter) doesn't seem to work cause I put my email in the Cc and I never receive it.. I tell it to use default /usr/sbin/sendmail .. how can I configure this to work?
19:55<dgodfather>klivian: still with me?
19:55<klivian>Yeah. Damn, there's a command that you'll need to switch from apt-get to aptitude... It's simple, too...
19:56<cTATUK>i really don't think so
19:56<dgodfather>why should i run a command and not simply start using aptitude?
19:56<cTATUK>you can use both interchangeably
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19:56<cTATUK>but what you `might' have heard was something like `aptitude update;aptitude autoclean;aptitude clean`
19:57<mase>? why aptitude and not apt-get directly?
19:57<cTATUK>aptitude is a note front
19:58<cTATUK>allows searching
19:58<klivian>Here we go, dgodfather! "aptitude keep-all"
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19:59<mase>yes, but using a front-end at commandline-level is like using apt-get itself, isn't it?
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19:59<cTATUK>because it's a front end
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20:00<mase>??? dpg->apt->aptitude
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20:00<dgodfather>klivian: well it said nothing has happened
20:00*daniiel once used aptitude to hack a gibson.
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20:00<klivian>(What this does is mark all of the automatically installed packages that you have as manually installed, so that aptitude won't try to uninstall them. See, aptitude doesn't know about what you installed with apt-get, so we're basically telling it "don't touch all the stuff that apt-get installed". So what I said earlier about automatically uninstalling dependencies doesn't apply to old stuff that you installed with apt, just
20:00<klivian>new stuff with aptitude.
20:01<eddieB>is there such a place where you can pay someone to write you a script? (i'm a noob to linux..)
20:01<kdas>anyone know anything bout syslinux ?
20:01<klivian>dgodfather: No output at all?
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20:01<mase>hey, kdas!
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20:01<dgodfather>klivian: well there was output saying 0 installed upgrade .etc
20:02<dmoerner>kdas: what's your issue?
20:02<daniiel>eddieB im sure there is, try google. something like free-lance programming
20:02<daniiel>but what do you need a script for or to do?
20:02<klivian>Mmm, okay. Sounds like what we need, I think.
20:02<daniiel>that your willing to pay for it?
20:02<klivian>dgodfather, next do 'aptitude update'.
20:03<eddieB>do you know how to make scripts?
20:03<dgodfather>klivian: but i didn't change my sources.list
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20:03<dpkg>from memory, abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on,
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20:04<klivian>Right, but aptitude's database is separate from apt-get's, so it needs to query the repos itself.
20:04<dgodfather>klivian: in the update i got a lot of DiffIndex
20:04<dgodfather>what's next?
20:04<klivian>We need to edit your sources.lst. Open it in nano/vi as root.
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20:05<phogg>amphi: hmm, broken link
20:05<amphi>phogg: works here
20:05<klivian>Add the unstable repos: deb $MIRROR unstable main contrib non-free
20:06<dgodfather>can your please write down the value of $MIRROR?
20:06<phogg>I was referring to Looks like may be correct.
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20:06<kdas_>mase, sorry back
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20:07<amphi>phogg: that program seems quite elderly
20:08<dgodfather>klivian: well i did that
20:08<dgodfather>i think
20:09<klivian>Okay. What did you put for $MIRROR? (You can copy what you have for testing and just change that to unstable.)
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20:09<phogg>amphi: Nonsense! It says it works OK with Linux 2.0.
20:09<eleckttruss>i have a question
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20:10<klivian>dgodfather: Good enough!
20:10<dgodfather>it updated everything
20:10<dgodfather>with aptitude update
20:10<klivian>That's what we wanted. :) Now open /etc/apt/apt.conf, also as root. Add the line "Apt::Default-Release "testing";"
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20:11<klivian>(That tells aptitude, "Use the testing repo to download stuff unless it's not in testing.")
20:11<weasel>what a horrible idea.
20:11<dgodfather>klivian: so it will download everything from there by default unless it's not there?
20:11<mase>i think so too
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20:12<mase>edit the sources.list
20:12<dgodfather>klivian: i only have apt.conf.d file and it's empty
20:12<klivian>dgodfather, that's correct. (weasel, mase, are you talking about my advice to dgodfather?)
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20:13<klivian>Okay, which part is horrible/incorrect?
20:13<weasel>pinning does more harm than good. it results in apt giving you error messages that you will not understand.
20:13<weasel>and users who don't know stuff should stick to stable anyway,
20:13<amphi>phogg: ;)
20:13<weasel>and if they don't then at least they should not mix releases
20:14<dgodfather>weasel: i am only trying to install an nvidia driver
20:14<weasel>you are not doing anybody a favor by telling them to setup pinning and adding other stuff to their sources list
20:14<klivian>weasel, well, dgodfather is already using testing, so that part I can't change. And he wants to use the nvidia-glx driver, which isn't available but in stable or unstable. What would you recommend?
20:14<klivian>(The directions I'm giving him are the ones at the Debian wiki.)
20:14<weasel>add sid to the sources list, install the nvidia crap, and remove the entry from the sources.list again
20:14<weasel>that doesn't make it any better
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20:15<klivian>Okay. Well, dgodfather, forget what I said about /etc/apt/apt.conf! ;)
20:15<klivian>And weasel, thanks for butting in.
20:15<dgodfather>well a bit correcting no nvidia on stable either
20:15<weasel>dgodfather: wrong.
20:15<dgodfather>well i tried to install it on etch and it never compiled
20:15<klivian>dgodfather, the package is 'nvidia'glx'.
20:16<dgodfather>well just a minute what do we do next?
20:16<weasel>then you did something wrong.
20:16<weasel>nvidia-kernel-source builds just fine on etch with m-a.
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20:16<dgodfather>i used m-a and it didn't build
20:16<weasel>or you could just use the modules that are already pre-built.
20:16<dgodfather>on kernel 2.6.18
20:17<dgodfather>klivian: well let's continue
20:17<weasel>their existence should serve as proof that they build.
20:17<klivian>dgodfather, next (pending weasel's approval): aptitude install nvidia-glx
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20:17<dgodfather>from unstable line in sources.list or should i change it to sid like weasel suggested?
20:18<klivian>Good point. Um, weasel?
20:18<weasel>same difference
20:18<klivian>Okay, good.
20:18<klivian>Poor bugger.
20:18<dgodfather>well i am installing then
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20:19<mase>oh, sorry
20:19<dgodfather>klivian: weasel: so what we are saying is that the driver itself is the nvidia-glx, and all this trubble is because it is not in the repos for testing
20:20<klivian>dgodfather, correct.
20:20<dgodfather>so we needed to add it to the repos and install it using aptitue?
20:20<weasel>nvidial-kernel-source is the source for kernel modules
20:20<weasel>you need those, and the userland stuff
20:20<dgodfather>weasel: userland?
20:20<weasel>userland. not kernel.
20:21<dgodfather>oh, but i am installing the nvidia-glx and nothing else by now
20:21<weasel>how will that help?
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20:21<dgodfather>weasel: i don't know i am doing as suggested to me
20:21<dgodfather>klivian: ? are we going to install some other stuff to?
20:22<dgodfather>dont we need to compile the nvidia-kernel-source also?
20:22<dgodfather>like the nvidia_lenny_1 says?
20:22<dgodfather>BTW, nvidia-glx is done installing
20:22<klivian>Yes, you do need a couple other things. No, we don't need to compile anything.
20:22<dgodfather>klivian: OK then what is next?
20:23<klivian>Just a sec...
20:25<klivian>I think the only other thing that you need from sid is nvidia-kernel-2.6-$(uname -r)
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20:26<dgodfather>0 installed 0 upgraded 0 to remove
20:26<dgodfather>seems it's already installed?!
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20:27<klivian>That's cool. Are you running 32-bit or 64-bit?
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20:28<dgodfather>klivian: 32 bit
20:28<klivian>Do 'aptitude show nvidia-kernel-2.6-686
20:28<weasel>uname -r
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20:29<dgodfather>state installed
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20:29<dgodfather>weasel: was the uname -r pointed at me?
20:29<weasel>no, the three-headed monkey behind you
20:29<weasel>(that's a "yes")
20:30<klivian>Then comment out unstable from your sources.lst and install nvidia-xconfig, nvidia-kernel-common, and module-assistant.
20:30<dgodfather>got that
20:30<klivian>(If there is a three-headed monkey behind you, it might be worth a bit of coin.)
20:30<dgodfather>well my uname -r returns the 2.6.26-686 kernel
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20:33<dgodfather>klivian: well they are all installed
20:33<klivian>Okay, great.
20:33<dgodfather>weasel: what did you want the uname -r for?
20:33<weasel>out of interest.
20:34<dgodfather>oh, OK. any time :)
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20:34<weasel>it explains where you got your module from
20:34<dgodfather>weasel: what do you mean?
20:34<klivian>Then type: 'm-a update'; 'm-a prepare'; 'm-a auto-install nvidia'.
20:34<sh4d3sl4y3r_> -r, --kernel-release
20:34<sh4d3sl4y3r_> print the kernel release
20:34<weasel>klivian: he arlready has the kernel image I'd assume
20:35<weasel>dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia | grep kernel
20:35<dpkg>weasel: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
20:35<klivian>Right, sorry dgodfather, I copied from the wrong bit of the wiki.
20:36<dgodfather>klivian: whattttttttttttt
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20:36<dgodfather>sorry for the many t's
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20:36<klivian>What is it, dgodfather?
20:36<klivian>(I'll be back in a couple minutes, going to get a drink.)
20:36<dgodfather>can you explain to me please what the fuss was about?
20:37<dgodfather>weasel: am i sure i want to install/upgrade the above packages?
20:38<dgodfather>kernel-package, docbook-util
20:38<weasel>Sat 02:35:34 <weasel> dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia | grep kernel
20:38<Loeken>Hey guys, is this a appropriate place to ask questions about random debian noob problems?
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20:39<dgodfather>weasel: i already did the auto install
20:39<dgodfather>is that bad?
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20:40<dgodfather>weasel: is that bad?
20:41<dgodfather>i am answering no to all are you sure you want to install/upgrade question
20:42<daniiel>Loeken, you should just ask your question instead of asking if it's ok to ask a question =P
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20:44<dgodfather>klivian: weasel: why does it install some linux-source stuff?
20:44<dgodfather>of version 2.6.22
20:44<dgodfather>how can i stop and revert?
20:44<weasel>don't ask me.
20:44<weasel>you don't answer my questions, I don't answer yours. seems like a fair deal.
20:45<weasel>also, I'm actually working.
20:45<dgodfather>i couldn't answer it was already in the process of installing
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20:45<dgodfather>believe me i would not disrespect anyone by ignoring his question on purpose
20:45<dgodfather>not to mention if he is trying to help me
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20:46<bluntz>anyone know how to set a script to run after bootup?
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20:48<Loeken>Right, well Im pretty new to Debian, but I want to install the latest nvidia drivers so i downloaded them and followed a guide, everything works until nvidia gives me an error, somthing about wrong kernel, and then it says I have to install the commando "make". Im a little freaked out about this, because Im pretty sure the version is right for me...
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20:48<bluntz>thnx dan
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20:54<Loeken>right, well cherio
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20:55<yuri>whereis the trash in gnome? if i want to go into through terminal
20:56<weasel>find -name Trash
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20:57<yuri>weasel, thx ;)
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20:57<dgodfather>klivian: please help me return my pc to it's previous working state and install the nv driver
20:58<dgodfather>it' now all broken due to the step in which i did m-a auto-install
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21:00<weasel>what makes you think it's broken?
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21:01<dgodfather>weasel: i get some shitty messages
21:02<dgodfather>it started installing some wierd stuff and stupidly enough i stopped it in the middle
21:02<dgodfather>but it is reacting so it should be ok
21:02<dgodfather>can you help me install a driver so i can use the gui?
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21:03<dgodfather>can i downgrade back to etch and use the nvidia driver?
21:03<weasel>I don't have the time for handholding you, sorry
21:03<weasel>downgrading is not really possible.
21:03<dgodfather>i will manage in that case
21:04<dgodfather>only, how do i do build-dep in aptitue?
21:04<weasel>(also, "some wierd stuff" is a stupid thing to say)
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21:04<weasel>(it may not mean anything to you, but probably it says stuff for a reason. if you are not telling anybody what's wrong *nobody* will be able to help you)
21:05<weasel>(had you instead pasted your error messages to a paste bin on the web somewhere I bet a score of people would have looked at it, and maybe one would have said something)
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21:05<dgodfather>well, i have no UI and don't know how to do that through cli
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21:05<dgodfather>well, how do i build-def in aptitude?
21:05<weasel>you dont
21:06<dgodfather>and instead what do i do to get the same effect?
21:06<weasel>a) why would you install build dependencies, and for what
21:06<dgodfather>build-dep of course
21:06<weasel>b) use apt-get
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21:06<weasel>(also, why didn't you just stick to stable)
21:06<dgodfather>weasel: cause i was told it's not good to mix the use of apt-get and aptitude
21:07<dgodfather>is that wrong?
21:07<weasel>it's also not good to screw up your system, yet you did
21:07<weasel>and it'll be fine, probably
21:08<dgodfather>weasel: 10x, you know i screwed it up listening to someone here saying he knows what he is doing
21:08<weasel>he probably does. he just probably doesn't have the time for handholding on hours either
21:09<weasel>I notice you are still not good at answering questions
21:09<weasel>Sat 03:06:27 <weasel> a) why would you install build dependencies, and for what
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21:10<craigevil>dgodfather: what release are you running ?
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21:14<bluntz>A big THANK YOU goes out to Daniel . My script now sets the bttv card and tuner up at startup correctly.It was getting old doing it by hand every time
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21:16<dgodfather>weasel: i am on another window trying my luck
21:16<dgodfather>that is why i miss your questions
21:16<craigevil>dgodfather: what release are you running?
21:16<dgodfather>in the nvidia_lenny_1 it said to do buid-dep on some stage
21:17<craigevil>if your running lenny or sid i suggest you try
21:17<dgodfather>craigevil: i a running the lenny
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21:18<rrm>this is an odd one... i connect to my house over wifi with hex password, and all is fine in speed... while at this location i setup a netgeart wireless and i only get up to 50k/s without password
21:19<rrm>any ideas?
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21:19<dgodfather>what is the name of the nv module?
21:20<rrm>dgodfather is this q: for me?
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21:22<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
21:24<rrm>hi rive...
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21:30<bluntz>any mythtv users here?
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22:27<strikr>Hi everyone
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22:29<nowhere_man>is it possible to use multiple criteria in /etc/apt/preferences, for one entry?
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22:29<nowhere_man>for a single origin, I have stable, testing and unstable, and want to set them different priorities
22:30<nowhere_man>if I use two Pin lines, it doesn't seem to work
22:30<nowhere_man>putting both release and origin doesn't work either
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22:39<cTATUK>is there a channel dedicated to the netbsd debian port?
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22:41<blarson>cTATUK: I just know of the mailing list.
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22:49<famelix>alguien que hable español?
22:50<RIVE>famelix, go to #debian-es
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22:53<strikr>I need help, when I try go ./configure, after checking for gcc, it runs checking for C compiler default output name..
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22:53<strikr>Then I receive configure: error: C compiler cannot create executable
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22:57<abrotman>!b-e strikr
22:57<dpkg>strikr: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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22:59<strikr>lets try it out and see what happens
22:59<strikr>i'll be done in 10 hours, lol
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23:06<Tom>Hi, I just installed debian -> new to it.
23:06<Tom>I have problem with network installation. It would be great to install madwifi but there are too many dependencies missing (kernel). What would be the easiest way to install it? Thanks!
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23:07<gsimmons>!tell Tom -about madwifi-install
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23:17<Tom>gsimmons told: madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci".
23:17<Tom>Q: What is "ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>"? I think somehow I should add a dir pointing to contrib and non-free sources. How?
23:18<craigevil>add contrib non-free to your debian sources.list
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23:19<RIVE>Tom, edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list add "contrib" and "non-free" to the lines ypu read "main" and save the file.
23:19<RIVE>Sorry, first you have to grab root privilegies.
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23:23<strikr>It worked, thank you
23:24<Tom>Both non-free and contrib is listed in the sources.list file; but m-a could not stat etch/non-free Packages.
23:24<strikr>Now I am missing XML::Parser
23:25<Tom>I have downloaded the source from the madwifi site and transferred it to my linux box via usb stick. But it seems I would need the /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build
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23:26<Tom>to compile/install it
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23:32<dmoerner>does anyone know the difference between kdesdk-kio-plugins and kdesvn-kio-plugins?
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23:46<Tom>Hi, I installed debian; I have no internet connection; I can not install anything because of the dependencies; e.g. installation of madwifi-source needs dbhelper version>7, but I do not have v>7; if I want to install v>7 than I would need update a couple of other programs... what to do?
23:46<Tom>thanks in advance!
23:46<abrotman>you can't get a wired connection?
23:48<RIVE>Tom, did you try to comment with # the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list that mention the media fron where you install?
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23:54<Tom>I can not get wired connection either; I have a integrated card that needs the atl2.
23:55<Tom>The only uncommented line in sources.list is "deb cdrom..."
23:55<abrotman>but there are no CDs for contrib/non-free
23:56<RIVE>Tom, wich version of Debian did you install?
23:56<Tom>I thought to download the other dvd images (I have only the #1) but if I searched jigdo I could not find the non-free...
23:56<abrotman>they don't exist
23:57<Tom>I installed teh 4.0 r4a_Etch
23:57<abrotman>you're going to need another OS and a thumbdrive or something
23:57<abrotman>i wonder if etchnhalf does alt2
23:58<Tom>It has, but I have the same updating/dependencies problem with it.
23:59<RIVE>Ton, did you try Lenny?
23:59<Tom>Do you mean 'another OS' on the computer, on which I have debian? Or other computer is OK?
23:59<Tom>No, I didn't. I wanted the stable version.
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