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00:25<prolix>anyone from australia here?
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00:26<prolix>i know this isn't debian related, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on at the moment, so i figured i'd ask
00:27<prolix>i was just wondering if austrailian aboriginies had reservations like native americans do here in the states?
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00:31<fxiny>news puppets awareness improves :P
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01:08<troy>prolix: you still around?
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01:13<prolix>troy: hi. i am
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01:18<TheNEO>Добрый день всем!
01:18<qq> Добрый utrom
01:19<TheNEO>У меня небольшой вопрос, кто знает как подключить ТВ к компу
01:19<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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01:22<izaias>ola bom dia todos
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01:23<izaias>stou bricizando de um esclarecimento sobre (alsa)
01:23<prolix>and perl encryption?
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01:23<prolix>i don't speak portugese, but it's close enough to french that i can kind of make out what you're saying
01:23<izaias>não concigo obter som na inicialisação do sistema
01:24<prolix>yeah, kind of just went out the window
01:24<RIVE>NO consigo inicializar el sistema... Can't boot the system.
01:24<izaias>pleas repositore debian 4 !
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01:25<prolix>repositories for what?
01:25<prolix>which applications are you looking for?
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01:26<izaias>my sources simple 2 links
01:26<prolix>i wonder...
01:26<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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01:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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01:40<prolix>thank you, blarson
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02:33<PrinZ>hallo, jemand da?
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02:33<jm_>apparently no-one that's "fast" enough for you
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02:39<nubbun>D-I can use LVM for volume management and nothing else, right? Does anyone recommend anything other than LVM?
02:40<qq>like ?
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02:41<nubbun>qq EVMS
02:42<nubbun>otherwise, i don't know. but maybe someone else does.
02:42<parecen>nubbun: as far as i know, you have to install such a solution by hand
02:43<parecen>wait, reverted. see:
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02:43<parecen>there seems to be a evms-enabled D-I
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02:43<nubbun>does LVM require an initrd or /lib/modules not on an LVM volume?
02:43<parecen>s/be a/be an/
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02:44<parecen>no, there is good articles on how to setup LVM with the root partition in it
02:45<parecen>the debian wiki should help you there aswell
02:45<nubbun>thanks parecen
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02:46<Fingel>quick linux question how do I set up a directory so that all new files and directories under it automatically have permissions of 755?
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02:48<blarson>Fingel: You don't. man umask for how to control permissions of files your process creates.
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02:48<nubbun>Fingel: I believe you can set it so that files automatically have the same group, but that is it.
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02:49<parecen>yeah, you can configure that via /etc/skel/,bashrc and local .bashrc files in case you use bash
02:50<parecen>for other shells i dont know
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02:51<Fingel>ok so vsftp is the process creating the files
02:51<blarson>Fingel: You could run a cron job to chmod...
02:51<Fingel>yea I was thinking cronjob, but it should be instant
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02:51<Fingel>Im messing with Mint's uploader script to make it actually usefull
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02:52<Fingel>and not just upload to their crappy service
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02:52<parecen>Fingel: if you have a dedicated user account for your ftp stuff the method via ~/.bashrc could work
02:53<jm_>you can set umask for files uploaded via anonymous users in vsftpd config file
02:53<jm_>the same is true for real users
02:53<Fingel>yea its a dedicated user for FTP
02:53<Fingel>oh wait jm_ you have a point there
02:53<parecen>but jm_ 's suggestion sounds much better when the ftp daemon supports that :)
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02:54<parecen>is vsftpd superior to proftpd?
02:56<Fingel>hmm so I changed local_umask=022 in vsftp.conf to 755 now Im getting a 550 failed to change directory when trying to upload
02:56<jm_>i think proftpd has more features if that matters
02:56<parecen>the name suggests its more secure. but i never used anything else than proftpd
02:57<parecen>Fingel: chmod also on the command line to 755
02:57<jm_>it's good enough for ;)
02:57<parecen>jm_: haha
02:57<parecen>that is still a mystery in all the years, how the heck they manage all these requests at
02:58<Fingel>what do you mean parecen
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02:59<phorce1>non-anonymous ftp is a pain no matter how you look at it. Especially on a single IP.
02:59<parecen>Fingel: does your filesystem have the permissions 755 also for that upload directory?
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03:01<Fingel>do I have umask syntax wrong...
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03:02<parecen>Fingel: oh, i just see that. you said you changed it from "022" to "755"?
03:03<Fingel>should be 0755 right?
03:03<parecen>it has to be the offset, so "022" was actually what you wanted
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03:03<Fingel>thats... confusing
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03:03<jm_>no, 0 indicates it's octal number
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03:07<Fingel>ok I think I have it working now
03:08<Fingel>yup got it! thanks all!
03:08<Fingel><3 for #debian
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04:04<tramX>Система остановилась на службе dictd как пропустить эту службу?
04:04<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:05<jm_>or ask in english here
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04:20<wangboymc>Mount the partition (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt) and copy the following files from the Debian archives to the stick: vmlinuz (kernel binary) * initrd.gz (initial ramdisk image) * syslinux.cfg (SYSLINUX configuration file)
04:21<wangboymc>hi,I need these 3 files to install debian from usb disk.
04:21<wangboymc>but I don't know where to download them, please help.
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04:23<jm_>where are you getting this from?
04:23<jm_>ahh installation guide
04:24<jm_>you can find it in hd-media dir
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04:30<wangboymc>jm: look at this: If you want to install over the network, without using an ISO image, you will of course skip the previous step. Moreover you will have to use the initial ramdisk from the netboot directory instead of the one from hd-media, because hd-media/initrd.gz does not have network support.
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04:30<wangboymc>jm: and where is the hd-media dir please?
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04:43<DslDevice>someone online?
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04:43<Cyranix0r>plenty of people online, dunno whos anti-idle though
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04:44<jm_>wangboymc: the link is in section titled something like Obtaining installation media
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04:49<gnoll110>want to do was wangboymc is doing. But can't apt-get install the needed packages due to issues with (temp, until I build bedian box for new BB usb stick)XP gateway. What the best site/howto for troulbleshooting XP networking in a mixed Linux/Windows net
04:50<gnoll110>Please help :)
04:52<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt
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04:54<enouf>gnoll110: not sure i understand; xp gateway issues? ask in ##windows on maybe (or elsewhere) - xp uses ICS? (Internet Conn Sharing)
04:55<enouf>gnoll110: there's also a ##networking channel there - maybe here too - no idea
04:56<MartinVW>Hello, we have a small issue with our customers' servers (about 400): they're all doing incremental backups with rsync, but the rotated logs seem to irritate rsync. Whenever the logs get rotated, rsync copies them anew, taking up unneccessary backup space. We thought about using logrotate's dateext flag, but as it seems, most logs are rotated with a cron script. Does anyone know whether this will change with lenny?
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04:58<enouf>MartinVW: what are they using for log rotation?
04:59<parecen>!snack for enouf
04:59*dpkg throws for enouf a doggy treat
04:59<parecen>a doggy treat is not exactly what i had in mind
05:00<gnoll110>Hi enouf. I can surf the net via the non-gateway XP laptop. But I can't surf or apt-get from a etch debian box. Can ping ISP DNS1 from gateway XP laptop, but not from debian box. Still fails with firewall turned off. So I figure it's a XP networking tweek that linux peeps, but not XP peeps would know of.
05:02<DslDevice>i'm a nood! please help me to install ess solo1 sndcard in debian
05:02<DslDevice>i'm a noob! please help me to install ess solo1 sndcard in debian
05:03<Gekz>you're a nood, you're right.
05:05*parecen takes the dog treat back from enouf and gives it to DslDevice instead
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05:06<gsimmons>!tell DslDevice -about alsa install
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05:07<gnoll110>enouf. :) this is so chicken and egg. Once I get it all sorted out. I'll build a lenny debian box and make it the gateway for both mobile & landline BBand!
05:07<MartinVW>enouf: sorry, I don't quite understand your question. Logrotate is used to rotate the logs in /var/log, at least some of them (syslog and messages e.g. are not rotated by logrotate); the cron script that is rotating the rest of the logs is /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd.
05:07<parecen>gnoll110: just so i understand your problem better, you have a debian box setup to function as internet gateway for your local network. and the laptop with windows can access the internet through that gateway, but the gateway itself cant access the internet?
05:08<[f-X]>si j'ai un processeur intel core 2 T5500 je prend quelle version de debian
05:08<[f-X]>Do you speak french
05:08<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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05:08<[f-X]>thank you
05:09<jm_>[f-X]: that CPU will work fine
05:09<gnoll110>etch box has been gateway in the past. But new mobile BB hardware. so need to upgrade it
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05:09<parecen>gnoll110: has been and is not anymore the gateway? what is the gateway now?
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05:12<gnoll110>enouf: Gateway is XP (have BB USB stick drives), once I upgrade debian & box to handle new USB stick. Will have Lenny gateway. Feel so unclean with XP gateway ;)
05:12<enouf>MartinVW: ok, i asked because there are other rotaters, like syslog-ng for one
05:12<parecen>well, if you prefer to wait for enouf, thats no problem for me :)
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05:19<gnoll110>enouf: there are even a few blog/forum posts about my new E169G USB stick. USB slot on etch box might be too old new USB stick, but I have way newer MB for the new lenny box. XP gateway issues are all the stands b/w me a build lenny new gateway (I hope).
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05:21<enouf>gnoll110: usb 2.0 devices are supposed to work in usb 1.1 ports - just much slower speed
05:22<enouf>gnoll110: still unclear to me what your issue is, but maybe the ipmasq pkg can help
05:22<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
05:22<jm_>that will hardly help with windows being the gateway
05:23<varogami>hello, can somobody help me with lvm? I deleted e LV with ext3 partition and i want recovery it
05:24<gnoll110>enouf: there is plan B, steal for bandwidth from a freind :) Just want to try all other avenues before taking that one. :) Darn pride!
05:24<enouf>who cares about windows
05:24<jm_>windows has connection sharing for such purposes
05:24<gnoll110>thank for the lead, enouf
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05:27<petemc>varogami: there are ways to recover, run vgcfgbackup
05:27<petemc>then vgcfgrestore --file /etc/lvm/archive/config_prior_to_deleting_lv
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05:27<gnoll110>enouf: only have XP laptop becuase it's a work machine. Just want use the resource I have at hand before bother a friend.
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05:29<varogami>petemc: but I make new LV on deleted space, do vgcfgbackup and vgcfgrestore work with this conditions?
05:30<gnoll110>enouf: and I have a newer MB at hand anyway. So it's just a 'hardware shuffle' too.
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05:30<enouf>gnoll110: reading up.. it seems you want to do a netboot/tftp/pxe installation? If so, google those keywords and see for more - also, enable Network booting in the BIOSes
05:30<petemc>varogami: perhaps not
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05:32<varogami>petemc: very good.. I do it because some people say it better
05:32<varogami>petemc: better for recovery
05:33<varogami>petemc: is there other way.. I work with testdisk but nothing
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05:33<gnoll110>enouf: for the challange, was going to try installing from a USB stick image. :) (hence the apt-get install) or I can just CD install (have lenny CD) and steal the bandwidth
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05:34<petemc>varogami: it would seem some people gave you a bum steer
05:36<enouf>gnoll110: for usb crap do "/msg dpkg kmuto" there are usb images there as well, if for some reason the ones found through "/msg dpkg di" isn't helping - also readup in the Installation Guide
05:36<varogami>petemc: I think some people must die :-P
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05:37<enouf>gnoll110: just forgive me for not fully understanding - my brain is not awake, and for some reason, the way you've explained it all just isn't clear to me
05:37<gnoll110>enough: started with the Installation Guide, the apt-get install is for debs listed there. Thanks for the other leads :)
05:38<enouf>gnoll110: even other options are and debootstrap
05:38<artefact>Hi all, mysterious kernel freeze on Core 2 Duo machines have been reported here and on Linux bug tracker :
05:39<artefact>The bug is closed now as it seems to be solved with a .config modification.
05:39<artefact>Is there any plan to fix it in Debian kernel ?
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05:40<enouf>artefact: poke the kernel dev mailing list with the info - but i'm sure they're on it ;-)
05:40<gnoll110>enouf: Sorry for not being stright forward. I'm reseaching 'the next move', not talking about the 'whole plan'. That not informative to everyone else, sorry about that
05:41<enouf>gnoll110: no worries
05:42<gnoll110>enouf: thanks for all the new strings that I can pull at. Going to unravel this problem one way or another!
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05:43<gnoll110>i'm goinging idle: time to eat
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05:51<enouf>artefact: fwiw, my debian 2.6.26-1-686 kernel has no CONFIG_RTC= option, but CONFIG_RTC_LIB= and many others exist
05:52<artefact>enouf: I wonder if they're on it as the first bogus kernel was 2.6.25 and we are now on 2.6.26-6
05:52<enouf>artefact: and Lenny, when released as stable will use .26, afaik
05:53<artefact>enouf: And, in effect, my 2.6.26 have not both CONFIG_RTC and CONFIG_RTC_LIB
05:53<enouf>artefact: yours?
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05:53<enouf>artefact: i use Debian kernels ;-)
05:53<enouf>(sure, sometimes when i'm really bored or just in a testing mood, then i compile :-P)
05:54<artefact>enouf: my Debian kernel :-)
05:54<artefact>enouf: same as yours, I imagine
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05:54<artefact>enouf: someone here point that 2.6.27-rc5 (vanilla) solved the issue
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05:55<enouf>"grep CONFIG_RTC /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686"
05:55<enouf>Your paste URL is:
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05:56<enouf>i'll show you mine, if you show me yours :-P
05:57<artefact>Ok, but you're in 32bit ?
05:57<enouf>artefact: the -686 is a dead giveaway
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05:57<artefact>So, for me it's -amd64
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05:58<enouf>artefact: but you do have the _LIB=
05:58<artefact>Ýes, of course, it's the "official" Debian kernel
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05:59<enouf>artefact: maybe your "have not both" terminology confuddled me
05:59<artefact>Huh, yep, I meant one of these, but not both
05:59<enouf>haha, ok - much better then ;-)
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06:03<panv>please, i am using debian. inside i am using qemu to install windows inside debian.
06:04<panv>my problem is i get a message that cannot connect to mysql on localhost
06:04<panv>when i try to do it inside dos from qemu, windows
06:04<panv>can anyone help >?
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06:05<panv>i think i should pass the parameters to tcp/ip when i fire qemu...
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06:05<panv>but i don't konw how.
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06:07<jm_>panv: yes, if you want to access mysql on the host you need properly configured networking
06:07<panv>i don't need to access it on the host, but on the guest...
06:07<panv>it is trying to access it on the host actually...
06:07<panv>because the guest don't know anything about "localhost"
06:07<jm_>yes obviously - from gues to host ...
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06:08<panv>please do you have any idea ?
06:08<panv>jm_, ?
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06:09<jm_>panv: networking from guest to host works just fine by default for me, then again, perhaps I misread your problem
06:11<panv>i need to connect to the guest.. not to the host...
06:11<panv>i want the parameter to give to qemu...
06:12<panv>from guest to guest...
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06:13<enouf>artefact: if related also - these things are known to d-k devs; and;a=commit;h=1da2e3d679a8ea2d9e82040359a706da0bd3bef6 as well
06:13<jm_>in that case you'll need to configure forwarding
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06:15<panv>i don't know how... can you direct me please ?
06:15<panv>let me explain to you exactly what i am doing.
06:16<panv>i installed a software that cannot work under linux, that 's the whole idea from qemu and windows.
06:16<panv>then, there is one command inside that uses mysql... i don't know much about mysql and networking.
06:16<panv>if i was on a windows machine... it would work very fine.
06:16<panv>but since i am in host/guest status...
06:16<panv>it is giving the following answer
06:17<panv>ERROR 2003 <HY000>: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' <10061>
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06:17<crazyb0y>panv: you have to change the mysql hostname to connect to
06:17<panv>what can i do please ?
06:17<jm_>to start with you'd have to tell it the host it needs to connect to, instead of localhost
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06:17<crazyb0y>where is the mysql server? on different machine ?
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06:22<panv>the command that i type is : mysql -P7445 -u user -pmv7bEo6rje
06:22<panv>i think the server is on the guest.
06:23<crazyb0y>panv: ok the guest is pc2 and the other is pc1
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06:23<crazyb0y>if you connect from pc1 you should type the ip address of pc2 in the mysql settings
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06:23<panv>the host and guest are the same machine. the host is debian, the guest is windows through qemu
06:24<jm_>you're still not making much sense
06:25<panv>what is it that doesn't make sense ? jm_ ?
06:25<jm_>panv: we don't know where mysql server is running and which system needs to connecto to it
06:25<crazyb0y>jm_: i think they have virtual ip's
06:25<crazyb0y>like vmware
06:26<jm_>crazyb0y: yeah qemu has builtin dhcp server and guest gets an IP from it if configured to do that
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06:26<crazyb0y>panv: you dont have problems when connecting from the windows? or from the linux ?
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06:27<crazyb0y>jm_: then i think if he try the virtual ip instead of localost, everything will be ok?
06:27<panv>how do i try the virtual ip instead of localhost ?
06:27<crazyb0y>but we have to know on which host is runned the msql server =)
06:27<panv>i told you the command i am typing..
06:27<panv>it's running on the guest.
06:27<crazyb0y>panv: tell us, from which system it is working properly ?
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06:28<jm_>crazyb0y: exactly!
06:28<crazyb0y>when you try the software from the windows system, everything is working ?
06:28<panv>the software only works on windows.
06:28<panv>and it is giving the error.
06:29<crazyb0y>panv: do you have configured mysql server anywhere ?
06:29<jm_>you run mysql command on windows?
06:29<panv>i didn't configure any mysql server...
06:29<panv>yes.. i run it on windows..
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06:29<panv>i don't even know if there is a server running.
06:29<panv>on windows.
06:29<panv>it is a command (mysql.exe) that the program installs in its subdirectories.
06:30<jm_>open command prompt, run ipconfig, remember the IP - run mysql -P7445 -u user -pmv7bEo6rje -hIP
06:30<crazyb0y>panv: maybe you should install mysql and mysql databases to make software works
06:30<crazyb0y>jm_: he should create the database before doing it
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06:30<jm_>crazyb0y: maybe the software did that already
06:30<panv>crazyb0y, no because if i use a windows machine, i don't have any problem...
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06:30<crazyb0y>jm_: how, when the software gives error that cant connect to mysql server
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06:31<panv>let me try what jm_ said...
06:31<jm_>crazyb0y: that hardly mean database is not created
06:31<panv>one minute.
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06:32<panv>i put the ip after -HIP ??
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06:33<jm_>no, -h<IP>
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06:34<jm_>your problem is totally unrelated to Debian
06:34<panv>the same error.. but instead of localhost... i got the ip...
06:34<panv>jm_, you are right... but i am using debian..
06:34<panv>if i am disturbing, i can leave..
06:34<jm_>then perhaps mysql is not configured properly
06:34<crazyb0y>panv: you have to install and configure mysql server, after that reinstall your server and type the correct ip address for the mysql server
06:34<panv>sorry for taking your time.
06:35<panv>i think i know where the problem is...
06:35<jm_>i never used it on windows - check if it works as a service or somesuch
06:35<panv>qemu is not configuring the network well when it is starting windows..
06:35<crazyb0y>jm_: yes it works as service
06:35<jm_>like I said, it enables DHCP server by default and guest cna get an IP from it
06:35<crazyb0y>panv: try first pinging the ip's
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06:35<panv>so the problem is in qemu.. because it will work on a different machine using windows.
06:35<jm_>which seems to work if ipconfig listed it for you
06:36<jm_>what IP did it get?
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06:36<panv>ping is replying ...
06:36<abela>Hi, I am using sidux xfce, I can't record, sound card lapto compaq is 82801G Familly ICH7, how to activate it,
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06:36<jm_>yeah so that's fine
06:37<crazyb0y>panv: you have to bridge the networks or do a NAT
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06:37<petemc>abela: theres a #sidux channel
06:37<jm_>maybe documentation for this software explains it in more detail
06:37<abela>join #sidux
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06:38<panv>that's confusing...
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06:38<panv>is it possible that mysql is trying to connect from host >>??
06:38<panv>not from guest ?
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06:39<jm_>uhm no it's connecting "from" the system you rin it on
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06:39<jm_>obviously if it needs to access another machine it will be host connecting
06:40<panv>i want to connect, FROM guest TO guest.
06:40<crazyb0y>panv: ok listen it =)
06:40<crazyb0y>guest windows has another ip than the guest linux
06:41<crazyb0y>do you understand this ?
06:41<panv>the hIP solved the TO issue..
06:41<panv>i was only wondering..
06:41<jm_>so you have two virtual machines started?
06:41<panv>can i force the FROM ip too ??
06:41<panv>as we did to the host ip ??
06:41<panv>nou, only windows is virtual.
06:41<jm_>if it's internal connection then it will be from guest to guest anyway
06:42<panv>and why does it work when i use it on another pc where only windows is installed ?
06:42<panv>i mean the command that i am puting >?
06:42<panv>maybe it's a setting in qemu....
06:43<jm_>how would I know? it's your system - obviously it can connect to a working mysql server, wherever that is (i.e. it has properly configured my.cnf file)
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06:43<panv>can i manipulate the my.cnf ?>??
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06:43<crazyb0y>i give up =)
06:43<panv>hihihi... sorry guys.. i give up too...
06:43<panv>thank you all for your time...
06:43<panv>that really meant a lot to me...
06:43<panv>i will try to google more.
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06:44<crazyb0y>panv: just configure properly the mysql server, and set the correct ip in the software
06:44<crazyb0y>thats all
06:44<panv>i wish i could do that... it's only that the software is installing the mysql thing... not me...
06:45<panv>anyway... bye bye, and thank you .
06:45<jm_>yeah examining the windows system where it works shall help you
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07:41<m8t|work>hi, does anyone own a acer aspire one?
07:42<crazyb0y>mini one
07:42<m8t|work>hey :) I have currently a lenny on it, and when I startx with the intel driver the netbook freezes
07:42<m8t|work>do you know if that is a problem on lenny that is solvable? or should I upgrade to sid?
07:42<crazyb0y>i use windows on it
07:43<m8t|work>you did? :o
07:43<m8t|work>they are sold with linpus linux!
07:43<crazyb0y>not here =)
07:43<crazyb0y>here is with win xp installed
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07:45<crazyb0y>i'll try debian on it, when my extended cd-rom arrive
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08:09<anovaes>alguém on-line
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08:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:12<anovaes>Alguém on-line???????
08:12<anovaes>Alguém on-line???????
08:12<anovaes>Alguém on-line???????
08:12<anovaes>Alguém on-line???????
08:12<anovaes>Jeremias, está on-line?????/
08:12<anovaes>Jeremias, está on-line?????
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08:13<Antonio>Jeremias, está on-line?????
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08:13<Antonio>Jeremias, está on-line?????
08:13<seanius>stop it plz k thx
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08:16<Antonio>Jeremias, está on-line?????
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08:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:25<Menino>e aí? vc é cdc?
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08:26<anovaes>Bom dia a Todos
08:26<Menino>cadê a galera do CDC?
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08:26<anovaes>Jeremias, está ai?
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08:27<Menino>Antonio é de onde?
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08:27<Antonio_SECTI>Menino, veja o canal privado que abri para conversarmos
08:28<streuner>Please talk english here, thanks
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08:29<damiano>hello everybody
08:29<ranix>sup nig
08:29<damiano>hi Lethalman
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08:30<damiano>i unistalled(with --purge remove) apache2 and /etc/init.d/apache2 script
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08:30<damiano>when i install another time apache2 i donm't understand why the file apache2 in /etc/init.d there isn't
08:31<damiano>also apache2.conf in /etc/apache2
08:31<damiano>what can i do?
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08:31<streuner>its in another package, IIRC
08:31<Menino>onde a galera está?
08:31<ranix>do apt-get remove --purge apache2, then apt-get autoremove to make sure automatically installed dependencies are also cleared
08:31<streuner>but ones you messed with apache2, its a nightmare then
08:32<Menino>do cdc não estou encontrando
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08:33<Antonio_SECTI>dou do CDC
08:33<Antonio_SECTI>sou do CDC
08:33<ranix>o que significa 'CDC' stand para
08:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:34<ranix>that's portuguese
08:34<Menino>como ir pra o canal onde está a galera?
08:34<Antonio_SECTI>join #CDC
08:34<ranix>as in la vaca es muerte?
08:34<Antonio_SECTI>digite ./join #CDC
08:34<Antonio_SECTI>sem o ponto
08:35<Menino>digitar onde?
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08:36<enouf>please stop - talk english here please
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08:37<damiano>ok i try
08:37<damiano>but i have to install
08:37<damiano>apt-get install apache2 apache2.2-common ?
08:37<damiano>two package ?
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08:39<crazyb0y>damiano: yes
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08:42<damiano>okay thanks
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08:44<damiano>better with aptitude?
08:46<damiano>crazyb0y: with apt-get or aptitude ?
08:47<themill>damiano: doesn't matter, but aptitude is the preferred tool these days
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08:47<crazyb0y>damiano: apt-get is more less
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08:49*Lethalman suggests aptitude
08:49<themill>dpkg: tell damiano about why aptitude
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08:53<crazyb0y>hwy themill
08:53<crazyb0y>hey themill
08:53<damiano>gooood works
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09:16<numpto>this may seem like a silly question, but to compile a 2.6.26 kernel manually I would need BOTH the kernel-source AND the kernel-headers?
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09:16<stew>numpto: no, just the source. the -headers is a product of compilation
09:18<numpto>ok. i'm wondering why then when I tried to compile that kernel on an etch system some of my modules wouldn't load
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09:19<stew>numpto: did you get an error?
09:19<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mario
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09:22<numpto>stew many. I compiled a new kernel with modules so I could add NAT functionality, but I kept getting errors about having to upgrade iptables or my kernel when I tried to load the nat table in iptables
09:23<stew>numpto: what does "uname -r" say?
09:24<stew>numpto: and why are you compiling a kernel in the first place?
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09:24<numpto>because the linux-image-2.6.24 doesn't recognise my wireless modem
09:25<stew>numpto: which wireless modem? there is is a precompiled 2.6.26 for etch on backports: /msg dpkg bpo
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09:26<numpto>oh wow, i didn't know that. i'm new to debian, thanks for that
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09:32<numpto>witht the precompiled 2.6.26 kernel is it possible to download that package manually, eg through windows?
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09:33<stew>numpto: sure. what wireless do you have?
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09:35<numpto>telstra 3g mobile
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09:37<Zathraz>I have 2 packages on Etch with status "pc" in apt/aptitude which will not delete, purge or reinstall. How can I fix this please? A lot of wining about username/usergroups existing or not and same for homedir. Packages concerned are munin and munin-node (I only need the later)
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09:38<numpto>where would i go to download the actual package? i can't seem to find it at
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09:39<Zathraz>numpto, have you checked that the package actually exists? you can use for that
09:40<numpto>Zathraz i was just told that a precompiled version of the 2.6.26 kernel was available through backports
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09:41<stew>numpto: what cpu do you have?
09:41<numpto>stew pentium m
09:42<stew>not that one, this one:
09:43<Zathraz>lol. That did not come up in the resultset if my query
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09:44<numpto>stew how did you find that?
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09:48<numpto>thanks for that, i'll try it out. much appreciated
09:48<numpto>i gotta reset, my computer is acting funny
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09:49<willemb>I am trying to secure our custom repository
09:50<willemb>unfortunately all the documentaion I find online describes how to use gpg type stuff to make sure the packages you install are what you think they are
09:50<willemb>is there not a relatively painless way to restrict who/what can fetch your packages?
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09:53<RimFrost>hello can someone help with nvidia driver downloaded from i installed it and everything worked fine but it doesnt load at start up of the system, the screen flash and i end up in the shell and i reconfigure the x server and select nvidia among the drivers but it dosent help same thing going on, screen flash then shell and im forced to select the nv driver again what is rong?
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09:54<RimFrost>im running Etch 4.0 r4
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09:55<RimFrost>here is a log you can look at
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09:57<willemb> I am trying to secure our custom repository. Unfortunately all the documentaion I find online describes how to use gpg type stuff to make sure the packages you install are what you think they are
09:57<ranix>RimFrost: do you have the nvidia kernel module loaded
09:57<willemb>.is there not a relatively painless way to restrict who/what can fetch your packages?
09:57<ranix>RimFrost: I think you don't
09:59<themill>willemb: you control access to the repo itself e.g. using .htaccess files limiting by IP address or requiring a username and password. You can also use ssh not http for distributing the packages and limit ssh connections using the usual methods.
09:59<themill>willemb: see also
09:59<RimFrost>ok... how do i load the kernel module?
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10:00<willemb>themill: Problem is, we have lots of clients on our machines, and they should not have access to the debs. An IP based solution is thus only part of the solution
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10:01<themill>willemb: ssh access might be the way to go then. You can have a specific key for root on the machine that root can use with apt for the repo machine
10:01<Zathraz>it seems to be impossible to remove munin and munin-node without hacking into the package db
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10:01<ranix>RimFrost: well if it worked once, you must have the module
10:01<willemb>themill: that enables passwordless root logins, right?
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10:01<Zathraz>even removing files by hand does not do the trick
10:01<ranix>RimFrost: I bet it's not in the list of modules to load on boot, is all
10:01<ranix>RimFrost: try modprobe -i nvidia
10:01<ranix>RimFrost: or modprobe -i nv
10:02<willemb>themill: also something we are trying to avoid so that we can see who is logged in when (we actually have too many people with root). So we use kerberos...
10:02<themill>willemb: not necessarily. apt can use any username you want. The local root user just has to have the correct key for logging in to the repo machine.
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10:03<ranix>themill, willemb: why not just log that kind of activity via the sudoers log
10:04<themill>ranix: that's obviously part of the solution, but the question is also how to limit access to the repository
10:05<ranix>so only certain users have access to certain files?
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10:05<themill>in the repository, yes
10:05<willemb>themill: Excellent plan. I didn't mention that we use an apt-cacher as well
10:06<willemb>themill: but we can tell apt to only allow localhost
10:06<willemb>themill: so that only the cacher can connect
10:06<willemb>themill: then enable the ssh keys thing to access the cacher?
10:06<themill>willemb: you're going to have to careful about the local apt cache too if you're wanting to keep people away from the .debs
10:07<willemb>themill: chmodding that is part of the plan
10:07<themill>willemb: but is there really any point in keeping the debs under lock and key? Once installed, you could still copy all the files from one machine to another.
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10:08<ranix>Couldn't you bypass apt and download debs via http and dpkg -i them?
10:08<willemb>we have packages that install files with permissions that would not allow clients to read them. We don't want them to gain access to the content by downloading the debs and extracting them
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10:10<willemb>ranix: that is why apache on that host only listens to connections from localhost
10:10<willemb>we get in via the cacher
10:10<willemb>which you can't browse through
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10:10<ranix>willemb: I don't understand. Who is accessing these machines and what are they being used for
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10:11<willemb>ranix: they are shared web servers
10:11<ranix>willemb: and many people have root?
10:11<willemb>well, support staff and sysadmins
10:11<ranix>willemb: and you're trying to minimize accidental apt downloads with problematic default permissions?
10:12<themill>ranix: [14:57] <willemb> .is there not a relatively painless way to restrict who/what can fetch your packages?
10:12<damiano>i get this error when try to remove proftpd
10:13<damiano>what can i do?
10:13<willemb>1st problem was that anyone could use our repo or download the packages with a web browser.
10:13<seanius>you can put the debs on a password secured https based archive
10:13<willemb>that we are fixing by only allowing localhost
10:13<willemb>this way you can only get in via the cacher.
10:13<ranix>aah you're locking down your package server
10:13<ranix>sorry, I fundamentally misunderstood
10:13<damiano>i tried with --purge remove............remove............clean........autoclean
10:13<damiano>what can i do?
10:13<willemb>now, how to restrict the cacher from allowing 3rd parties to get to our packages
10:13<willemb>ranix: gotcha
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10:16<Knoppix2k8>was geht?
10:16<damiano>i get this error when try to remove proftpd
10:16<Knoppix2k8>noch jemand hier der knoppix uset?
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10:16<Knoppix2k8>damiano OMFG dont send unserious links here PLS!!!!
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10:17<stew>Knoppix2k8: english only in here. if you are looking for a knoppix channel, try #knoppix on
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10:18<stew>damiano: i'd recomend creating a init script that does nothing in /etc/init.d/proftpd to make the uninstall happy.
10:18<Torsten_W>Knoppix2k8: here is #debian, not #knoppix
10:18<damiano>unserious links ??? °_°
10:18<stew>damiano: ignore him
10:18<mateus>Hi , guys I'm have a problem with installiting the drive from nvidia, when you restart the setup loses
10:18<RimFrost>still same thing going on still with modprobe -i nvidia didnt help, doesnt read the driver still at startup
10:18<damiano>so i create a file with "exit" inside ?
10:19<Knoppix2k8>i use konversation from knoppix 5.3 and he send me automatically to this channel >.< OMFG i use a live dvd with no self made configurations WTF!!!
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10:20<stew>damiano: sure, that should work. the file needs to be executable
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10:20<damiano>ok works!!
10:20<damiano>thanks so much
10:21<mateus>help me !!
10:21<stew>damiano: (then try to remember you did this when you reinstall proftpd and cant figure out why it isnt' starting :) )
10:21<stew>Knoppix2k8: do you have a debian related question?
10:22<damiano>Knoppix2k8: what do you want??????
10:22<Zathraz>adduser returns -6 error in an install script. Any ideas what that means and how I can fix it please?
10:22<damiano>stew: yes sure, thanks
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10:23<damiano>stew: i install with aptitude proftpd
10:23<Zathraz>adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/munin -g munin -s /bin/false -u 117 munin' returned error code 6. Aborting.
10:23<jackyf>Zathraz: try newer version of package
10:23<damiano>the installation goes well
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10:23<damiano>but i don't see /etc/init.d/proftpd
10:23<jackyf>and file a bug if it is not present
10:23<Knoppix2k8>yeah stew i have ... is there any program in debian what emulates windows? like the program which ubuntus has
10:23<stew>damiano: /msg dpkg confmiss
10:23<Zathraz>package itself seems to be ok as it installed fine on another server
10:23<stew>Knoppix2k8: wine
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10:24<stew>Knoppix2k8: err, no actually wine doesn't emulate windows really.
10:24<stew>Knoppix2k8: what do you mean by "emulates windows"?
10:24<mateus>someone help me set up my video card from nVidia?
10:24<stew>Knoppix2k8: which program in ubuntu are you talking about?
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10:24<seanius>dpkg: tell mateus about nvidia
10:25<Knoppix2k8>to play games whats not written under linux? oO
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10:25<Zathraz>Knoppix2k8, wine, vmware-player?
10:25<stew>Knoppix2k8: sounds like you want wine, which doesn't emulate winows, but implements the windows apis that those games would use
10:26<Zathraz>vmware-player is unfortunately package in Ubuntu
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10:26<damiano>stew: Excuse me i don't understand how to create proftpd file in /etc/init.d
10:26<mateus>downdoad the driver of the site, when you lose restart the setup
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10:27<willemb>any more advice for me on securing our repos?
10:27<Knoppix2k8>and its easy to install under debian/knoppix? is there any package installer where can download the stuff and let it install by the system itself like those "LITTLEHELPER" in ubuntu?
10:27<Torsten_W>Knoppix2k8: use ubuntu
10:28<willemb>knoppix2k8: i don't know what littlehelper is, but you can aptitude install wine and the rest will pretty much take care of itself
10:28<Torsten_W>Knoppix2k8: and here is #debian, not #wine
10:28<Knoppix2k8>torsten_w bist wohl ganz doller hecht wa?
10:28<damiano>stew: how to do this?
10:28<stew>Knoppix2k8: english only in here. if you are looking for help in knoppix, please go to #knoppix on
10:28<Knoppix2k8>ty bot
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10:29<damiano>apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install proftpd right?
10:29<stew>damiano: if the file is missing completely, you'd need to reinstall proftpd with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss
10:29<stew>damiano: that would work if /etc/init.d/proftpd was missing completely, yes
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10:30<damiano>mmm not work
10:30<damiano>i post the error
10:30<damiano>what can i do?
10:30<Knoppix2k8>i dont need silly answers i need clear answer like yes - no? its it able to play such windows games under a debian system or not ....
10:31<stew>Knoppix2k8: yes
10:31<Torsten_W>Knoppix2k8: u have not a debian system
10:31<stew>damiano: please go to #ubuntu on for help with ubuntu
10:31<willemb>knoppix2k8: there is a appdb available on , which will show you what appcications work how well under wine in general, regardless of operating system it is run under
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10:39<serge>Hi! I'm trying to compile NVidia driver from It complains "unable to find kernel source tree". What is the name of the kernel source package in Etch? (I need something like kernel-source or kernel-devel in RedHat systems).
10:40<willemb>seems to be a popular question today?
10:40<willemb>or is that every day?
10:40<serge>me is asking it for first time... :) Sorry
10:41<serge>you know thew answer?
10:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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10:58<salim>hey, anybody here to help me with a small apt related problem?
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10:58<salim>ah, ill try help instead
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11:03<gravol>hello, anyone here
11:03<prolix>hi gravol
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11:04<prolix>it's pretty quiet in here for having 300+ people
11:04<gravol>I had my zd1211 dongle working a few days ago, but then my system got trashed after adding a hard drive and now the usb wifi won't work
11:04<gravol>it's in the kernel thanks to module-assistant, but nothing is recognizing eth1
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11:05<prolix>i don't know much about the whole wireless deal
11:05<gravol>cat5 cable streched around the house isn't safe
11:05<prolix>unless you're an aspiring double dutch champion
11:06<gravol>the funny thing is the first time around it didn't work either until debian was left off a few days, then I fired it up and it worked
11:06<petemc>isnt double dutch a euphemism for unintelligble language?
11:06<prolix>did you have to sacrifice anything
11:06<blarson>gravol: Yes, you should be using cat6 for gigabit ethernet.
11:06<prolix>i was always under the impression that double dutch was a jump roping style
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11:06<petemc>cat5e works fine for gigabit
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11:07<prolix>but i guess both apply when i'm concerned
11:07<cmot>Ok, I'm going to be bashed over this ... (but there's no #windows on OFTC :-): anybody works in a mixed environment and can test if avira antivir update service is down right now?
11:07<prolix>i'm in a mixed environment
11:07<gravol>it took me forever to wire the cat5, 49 year old eyes aren't good for this
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11:07<prolix>what's avira?
11:08<cmot>avira antivirus, free antivir package for the unnamed OS
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11:08<cmot>(don't bother, I'm just asking in the hope somebody has it installed.)
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11:08<prolix>good luck with that
11:09<cmot>(at least it's somewhat on-topic here: the Windows machine in question is a Xen guest :-)
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11:09<cmot>whisk99, hello, too$
11:09<cmot>ah, nice guy
11:09<prolix>cmot: from what i've read, this network is realtively new, why not be the first in #windows?
11:09<prolix>someone has to do it
11:09<cmot>I was.
11:09<cmot>I left agaion.
11:09<petemc>theres ##windows in freenode
11:09<cmot>petemc, ah, will look there, then. thanks
11:10<gsimmons>gravol: Which Zydas driver (zd1211, zd1211rw) are you using now? I'm assuming zd1211 as you mentioned module assistant.
11:10<noflash>prolix, this network is over 6 years old
11:10<prolix>noflash: is it really?
11:10<Lethalman>m-a is not necessary anymore
11:10<gravol>I'll have to check synaptic
11:10<noflash>yes sir
11:10<Lethalman>you only need to install the firmware, that's it
11:11<gravol>I have zd1211 module and zd1211 source
11:11<prolix>noflash: so why are there so few people on this network?
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11:12<cmot>silly thing.
11:12<cmot>After finding the right people to ask, it suddenly works again.
11:12<cmot>prolix, petemc, thanks anyway
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11:12<Lethalman>gravol, if you have lenny/sid drop sources of zd1211, only install zd1211-firmware
11:12*prolix cheers for automagic
11:13*cmot is going home now. Bya sll
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11:13<gravol>the machine does recognize the zydas and the dongle glows, there just isn't a working eth1 port. I'm using etch not lenny
11:13<Lethalman>ah ok then
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11:18<kets>hi, i'm trying to use irssi, and i'm wondering why the /help command doesnt' show any help... any idea?
11:18<gravol>wish wireless was as easy in Debian as it was in Xubuntu, but I had to switch from Xubuntu cause the mouse always freezes on an Athlon64
11:19<stew>kets: the help would go to window 1, are you looking there?
11:19<gravol>well it freezes in the new Xubuntu, and the 7 version was getting more and more unstable
11:19<kets>stew i jost got it. dunno why i was in window 2, thx!!
11:19<stew>gravol: are you using xfce in debian?
11:20<gravol>Debian is damn fast, the Gnome is faster than xfce in Xubuntu
11:20<gsimmons>gravol: Try using the zd211rw driver instead. It's included with the 2.6.18 kernel.
11:20<stew>gravol: afaik xubuntu just uses network-manager-gnome which you could use in debian
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11:20<gravol>using Gnome in Debian is far easier than xfce
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11:22<gravol>the zd1211rw isnt on the Synaptic list
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11:22<gravol>I've installed tar.gz packages before, but it's so seldom I always forget the next time
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11:23<gsimmons>gravol: That's because zd1211rw.ko is within the relevant 'linux-image-*' package on your system.
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11:24<gravol>how do I switch drivers
11:25<gsimmons>gravol: modprobe -r zd1211 ; modprobe zd1211rw
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11:26<gravol>I did the two commands, there were no error messages, but no reassurances either
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11:28<gravol>the dongle still glows
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11:29<gsimmons>gravol: dmesg|tail, iwconfig, etc.
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11:30<gravol>iwconfig no wireless extensions
11:31<Lethalman>gravol, start network manager and nopaste: your dmesg
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11:32<gravol>demsg could not load the firmware file error -2
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11:32<gsimmons>gravol: Install the 'zd1211-firmware' package from non-free.
11:33<gravol>there is network admin gui - do you mean that
11:34<crazyb0y>can someone tell me a good CPU statistic tool for debian
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11:35<gravol>zd1211-firmware is not available
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11:35<gsimmons>gravol: Amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
11:36<gsimmons>!tell gravol -abotu non-free sources
11:36<gsimmons>!tell gravol -about non-free sources
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11:36<prolix>!non-free sources
11:36<dpkg>from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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11:36<gravol>I have non-free on my sources list
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11:37<gravol>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
11:37<gravol>deb-src etch/updates main contrib non-free
11:37<gravol>deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
11:37<gravol>my terminal is root
11:38<Lethalman>i'd say: backport your kernel and install zd1211-firmware
11:38<Lethalman>and remove the zd1211 you installed through m-a
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11:38<gravol>I have backports on the sources list, but what is backporting the kernel?
11:38<themill>gravol: you have no mirror in that sources.list
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11:39<Lethalman>gravol, = upgrade your kernel using backports
11:39<gravol>It's so damn hard getting those sources list and the keyrings are worse
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11:39<Lethalman>2.6.25 or 2.6.26 kernel
11:40<gravol>2.6.18-6 kernel
11:41<gravol>I do have a backport on the sources list.
11:42<gravol> etch-backports main contrib non-free
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11:44<Lethalman>2.6.18 is too old
11:44<Lethalman>if you upgrade to 2.6.24 at least
11:45<gsimmons>gravol: Try installing the necessary firmware package first - which is required for the zd1211rw driver to operate your device - before resorting to a kernel upgrade. Your current sources.list file does include the necessary non-free sources that you require (ie. you're not referencing a mirror).
11:45<Lethalman>you can drop the compiled zd1211 and install zd1211-firmware and have an happy life
11:45<Lethalman>gsimmons, you can't if you don't upgrade
11:45<Lethalman>gsimmons, it's clearly said in linux wireless drivers in the linux changelogs
11:45<gravol>apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade the kernel
11:46<Lethalman>etch = zd1211-source, lenny = zd1211-firmware with kernel modules
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11:46<gsimmons>Lethalman: I'm sorry? The zd1211rw driver in 2.6.18 supports several ZyDAS-based devices without issue.
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11:46<fxiny>apt-get upgrade does it
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11:47<Lethalman>gsimmons, i said that in fact, don't you read?
11:47<TMcTrain>little help please
11:48<prolix>TMcTrain: what's your issue?
11:48<gravol>the strange thing is that the zd1211 worked last week fine before the system got trashed
11:48<Lethalman>gravol, do you plug your device after boot or before boot?
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11:49<TMcTrain>i've a fresh installed Debian 2.6.18-6-486 and need to compile some aditional modules compiled for this particular kernel! which steps and pakets do i've to get to make this possible?
11:49<Lethalman>TMcTrain, which modules?
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11:49<TMcTrain>is this possible without compiling the whole kernel?
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11:50<gravol>zd1211rw is something I've been looking for
11:50<dpkg>tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg
11:50<tzafrir_laptop>zd1211's drivers are now included in the mainline kernel (zd1211rw)
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11:50<karthik>hi any one can help me making a live/install distro based on debian platform using live-helper
11:51<tzafrir_laptop>IIRC the version in the original Etch kernel is buggy. But try the one from etchandahalf or Lenny
11:51<TMcTrain>I've made my own i2c-pport driver and wan't it for this fresh installation
11:51<tzafrir_laptop>You'd still need the firmware package
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11:51<prolix>TMcTrain: is there any particular reason you're using 2.6.18?
11:52<TMcTrain>debian 4.0r4a?
11:52<tzafrir_laptop>prolix, I gather Stable is not supported here
11:52<prolix>etchnhalf isn't stable?
11:53<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, try zd1211-source . Worked fine for me on etch
11:53<tzafrir_laptop>it requires a reboot and such
11:53<karthik>hi any one can help me making a live/install distro based on debian platform using live-helper
11:53<tzafrir_laptop>karthik, #debian-live
11:53<gravol>looking for zd1211rw just leads me in circles
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11:54<tzafrir_laptop>gravol, zd1211rw is a rewrite or the original zd1211 driver.
11:54<gsimmons>gravol: You have it already. It's supplied in kernels since 2.6.18-rc1.
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11:54<TMcTrain>@ tzafrir_laptop: Why do I need a Wireless driver?
11:54<tzafrir_laptop>It is included in and decent kernel,
11:54<tzafrir_laptop>karthik, /j #debian-live
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11:55<TMcTrain>ok, the sable problem! etchnhalf isn't stable?
11:55<prolix>etchnhalf is stable
11:55<prolix>i was being facetious, pardon
11:55<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, do you have a zd1211 wireless adapter and want to use it?
11:55<tzafrir_laptop>(e.g.: lsusb | grep -i ACE' ;-)
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11:56<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
11:56<gravol>I did find zd1211rw written out in code but not the package
11:57<tzafrir_laptop>zd1211rw is part of mainline kernel
11:57<gravol>well that's great, it's here already
11:57<tzafrir_laptop>zd1211 is the external module from zd1211-source
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11:58<tzafrir_laptop>But you still need a firmware file, from zd1211-firmware
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11:59<TMcTrain>kernel 2.6.18-6 means it isn't etch-n-half?
11:59<gravol>I have the zd1211-firmware file in the downloads folder, but I can't install it by double clicking like I could in Xubuntu, and there is no makefile or anything like that
12:00<prolix>TMcTrain: correct
12:00<gravol>no ./configure in it
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12:00<TMcTrain>so you suggest to repeat installation with etchnhalf?
12:00<gravol>I have Etch + 1/2 got it a couple of weeks ago
12:01<TMcTrain>or is there a way to make an update? :-)
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12:02<gravol>well I assumed I had Etch and a half cause I downloaded it recently, but I didn't go looking for it, perhaps its just regular etch after all since the kernel is old
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12:02<fxiny>TMcTrain: just install 2.6.24
12:03<TMcTrain>how? :-)
12:03<gravol>there isn't a readme file of any use in zd1211-firmware either
12:03<fxiny>how ? a kernel is just a package
12:03<fxiny>ask RMS ;)
12:03<TMcTrain>can you give me a little startup help?
12:04<RimFrost>after trying a serval times to try to load the nvidia driver in etch 4.0 r4 x64 in configure xserver it still doesnt load at start up. the screen flash still and i end up in the shell and be forced to select nv. ? why wont it load still?
12:04<prolix>!apt-get dist-upgrade
12:04<dpkg>apt-get dist-upgrade is, like, used to upgrade the entire system to the release specified in the apt sources list, just remember to do apt-get update before you use dist-upgrade
12:04<fxiny>TMcTrain: aptitude -s install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
12:05<fxiny>same as installing any package
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12:05<gravol>Invalid operation dist-upgrad
12:05<gravol>didn't include the !
12:06<fxiny>that is an *extra* package so no dist-upgrade for it
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12:06<RimFrost>as you can see it is loaded into the kernel >>>
12:06<prolix>fxiny: oh
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12:07<fxiny>prolix: is a special first time debian stable kernel
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12:07<TMcTrain>and then? reboot?
12:07<prolix>fxiny: thank you kindly for expanding my horizon by one degree
12:08<fxiny>but why you people , not just go for lenny ?
12:08<fxiny>prolix: to expand you want binoculars == lenny :)
12:08<prolix>fxiny: too forward thinking for me. i prefer tried and true
12:09<gravol>I have an htpc and I have people over. Unstable newer distros turn people off linux. Linux Mint was the absolute worst for that. Linux Mint Just Works for three weeks
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12:09<RimFrost>and also in the kernel modules to load at boot it is nvidia and loop (dont know what loop is but) ?
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12:10<fxiny>prolix: debian testing is not unstable
12:11<prolix>fxiny: nor is it stable
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12:12<TMcTrain>ok now I've 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 what steps do I have to do next to compile a single Module for this NEW Kernel?
12:15<fxiny>prolix: today news look at the pic :"Here comes Lenny: next Debian now due in October" :
12:16<fxiny>so if even the news puppets are realizing debian going yo release soon why not you look into it ?
12:16<gravol>Half of the stuff in The Register looks like it was written for April 1
12:17<fxiny>in fact that link is high on today register stats : puppets should talk more about debian to be clicked up
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12:17<prolix>fxiny: i don't have a valid excuse/reason for not using testing other than i'm pretty novice when it comes to computering
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12:19<fxiny>prolix: if your hardware is new you should *think* lenny , not saying you must
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12:19<TMcTrain>same here
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12:19<gravol>I just set up my computer so that I can download bittorrent and playback the movies and gangsta rap. Then I forget how I did it
12:20<prolix>fxiny: until i either switch out wifi cards or learn how to write my own driver for my p.o.s. realtek, i'll have to make due with cygwin
12:20<prolix>so this is all a moot point at this juncture. for me anyway
12:20<TMcTrain>i've still trouble to run # make -C /usr/src/linux SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
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12:21<gravol>the zydas worked before, but there is a bug I don't know how to debug
12:22<TMcTrain>any reference to a helpfull site or howto?
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12:22<kop>fxiny : The last time testing had this many outstanding bugs it took a year to fix them for a release.
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12:23<fxiny>prolix: i'm just saying lenny is still testing yes , but close to be released . so not far from stable . and has been tested by many users
12:23<prolix>gravol: have you ever heard of a group called 'blu & exile'? in particular a song titled 'The World is (Below the Heavens..) ?
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12:24<fxiny>kop: i'm just a user so i can't help that much . but as a user , a stable only user . i am inpressed by lenny performances
12:24<prolix>fxiny: i understand that and i don't object to your being a proponent for it at all, but it close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades and problems multiply exponentially when dealing with a frustrated novice such as myself who doesn't understand a lot of the basics, let alone the details.
12:25<fxiny>prolix: i am a proponenst because it copy a 1G file in half time comparing to etch . and being a cli manian i do love setting xorg up
12:25<kop>fxiny : I just wish they'd frozen earlier, so lenny can get out the door. What keeps me away from it is that I want up-to-the moment security patches. Well, and I like things to keep working because I don't want to mess with fixing things, I need to get work done.
12:26<kop>prolix : You're using the etchnhalf kernel?
12:26<prolix>kop: i'm using windows vista + cygwin, atm
12:26<fxiny>kop: yes yes. i'm on etch right now . i'm slowly upgrading my spare box but lenny looks very good
12:26<prolix>but i do have a 2.6.24 kernel image, yes
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12:27<kop>fxiny ; I'm sick of the etch firefox. But too lazy to do whatever I need to do to upgrade.
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12:27<kop>fxiny : (Upgrade firefox that is.)
12:27<fxiny>kop: i've done a quick fly over fluxbox awesome and xmonad . then i needed to burn a >4G file and i've checked kde k3b : everythign was very very good
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12:28<fxiny>kop: i run firebus3 on etch no porbs, installed gtp in opt
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12:29<gravol>damn fake antivirus software is on linux pages too!
12:29<TMcTrain>what are the headers to 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 ?
12:30<fxiny>kop: i cannot run 2.6.24 . it interferes with xmms2 , i don't mind using 2.6.18
12:30<fxiny>but 2.6.24 performs on my hardware like 2.6.18
12:30<stew>TMcTrain: linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
12:31<prolix>debian == logical
12:32<prolix>very little pedantry when it comes to debian. that's part of what makes it the best, imo
12:32<TMcTrain>I tryed kernel-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 :-)
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12:33<TMcTrain>like described in an debian howto
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12:33<prolix>that would've worked a while ago
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12:33<fxiny>prolix: you a novice ? ok . take for instance etch xorg settings : you must answer questions . lenny just detects at runtine and you do nothing at all . unless you are after some special settings
12:34<prolix>fxiny: i'm at a severe disadvantage in this quid pro quo since i've never used lenny before and aren't familiar with any of the semantical differences between etch and lenny
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12:35<TMcTrain>and the kernel source to 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 ?
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12:36<prolix>s/aren't/am not/
12:36<kapil>kop: you can run iceweasel/lenny in an schroot or vserver or ...
12:36<fxiny>prolix: right , yo can wait for lenny to be released and upgrade to
12:37<prolix>fxiny: that sounds like sage advice
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12:37<fxiny>kop: install gtk in opt
12:37<fxiny>there is a factoid
12:37<fxiny>!firefox 3 etch
12:37<dpkg>Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see and at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...)
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12:40<fxiny>i use both iceweasel and firebus3
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12:41<kapil>it is not really hard to create an schroot for iceweasel. see even if i say so myself.
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12:42<fxiny>yes ? shouldn't be added to the factoid ?
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12:42<kapil>fxiny: don't know how to oid to the facts :)
12:43<fxiny>kapil: nor do i , i keep my ass far from dpkg ;)
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12:44<themill>dpkg, firefox 3 etch is also
12:44<dpkg>themill: okay
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12:44<kapil>themill: thx.
12:44<fxiny>i knew themill could do it ;)
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12:45<kop>fxiny : Thanks. I probably won't get to it by the time lenny goes stable. :-\
12:46<fxiny>kop: ls /opt/gtk210 > bin etc include lib share . it works and is ugly as usual ;)
12:46<fxiny>needs a ton of -dev
12:47<fxiny>i just have it in a bzip2
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12:50<fxiny>22 packages , on my box
12:51<gravol>gotta go have lunch, bye
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12:53<TMcTrain>how do i build a module for the kernel?
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12:56<amphi>TMcTrain: module-assistant, depending on the src
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12:57<solano>how can I stop X?? I try everything but debian doesnt want to help
12:58<TMcTrain>the soure is a simple i2c-pport.c and this one I want to compile for the kernel in use
12:58<TMcTrain>I have a Makefile : obj-m := i2c-pport.o
12:58<amphi>TMcTrain: you will need at least the kernel-headers package for your kernel
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12:59<prolix>solano: the stop script isn't working?
12:59<amphi>TMcTrain: it needs to produce a .ko
12:59<TMcTrain>uname -r -> 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
12:59<solano>prolix, yes..I try /etc/init.d/gdm stop or /etc/init.d/x11-common stop but nothing happens....Im try to install nvidia-legacy driver
12:59<TMcTrain>so I got the linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
13:00<amphi>looks ok
13:00<TMcTrain>whats the command for build?
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13:00<TMcTrain>with nothing else?
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13:02<prolix>solano: have you tried; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a auto-install foo where foo is the driver name?
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13:03<solano>prolix, I don't know the driver name
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13:04<TMcTrain>make -C /usr/src/linux SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
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13:04<TMcTrain>where /usr/src/linux is a link to what?
13:05<TMcTrain>the linux-source or the linux-headers?
13:05<prolix>solano: before all of that; #init 3
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13:05<fxiny>TMcTrain: to /usr/src/linux-headers*686
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13:06<solano>prolix, but #init 3 enters on graphic mode and nvidia installer doesnt runs on that
13:06<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, what do you try to build, exactly?
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13:08<tzafrir_laptop>make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build modules #whatever
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13:08<tzafrir_laptop>but if this is a packages module, then yes, use the m-a method suggested above
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13:08<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead., or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>
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13:09<gravol>zd1211 is working - found this url for help
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13:09<solano>see this one shine, on the light, my friend
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13:11<gravol>what really threw me is that the firmware file didn't install like other executable files, the other thing was that Debian had to be rebooted twice - just like windows
13:11<numpto>hi, does anyone know how to change the defauly policy of my iptables rules to DENY? rather than set a deny rule for each table
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13:14<gravol>the wierd thing is that the internet works but the dongle no longer glows
13:15<prolix>dondelelcaro: _much_ respect for writing and maintaining dpkg. he/she/it saves precious time/life. thank you, domo, grazie, merci, todah, shukran, kam sam nee da, xiexie, 01110100 01101000 01100001 01101110 01101011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101
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13:16<prolix>gracias, too
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13:23<TMcTrain>i want to build a new/modified driver for I2C bus over LPT
13:23<TMcTrain>@ tzafrir_laptop
13:23<prolix>the time that bot saved me lets me do things like...
13:24*prolix dances
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13:37<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, where did you get that driver from?
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13:39<TMcTrain>I tried: make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build modules but got:
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13:39<TMcTrain>what's wrong?
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13:41<TMcTrain>I wrote it by myself, plz i got no error from the module compilation itself, I'm just laking the support of compiling things against my actual (distribution) -Kernel
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13:43<TMcTrain>on my previous system, It worked fine, but thats because I build a new kernel by myself, I guess! Now I whan't to use a precompiled one! Is that, and offcourse how is that possible?
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13:44<TMcTrain>Therefor the question: what do I need to do to get this stupid driver compiled for my kernel? :-)
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13:48<clint1986>TMcTrain: install the kernel sources and/or headers for the stock kernel
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13:48<TMcTrain>sources and header are isntalled
13:49<clint1986>is it possible the stock kernel lacks support for what you want to do?
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13:51<TMcTrain>Aktually the question is not yet is it supported, the question is how do I compile a MODULE for a running Kernel? I installed the sources and the headers, can you help me with the commands that should follow?
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13:53<TMcTrain>or do you mean that it is possible to lock kernel sources to be compiled against?
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13:56<clint1986>TMcTrain: no i meant is your driver incompatible
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13:57<TMcTrain>I didn't get so far that I got an error for compiling, I got an error of things not there in linux-sources or headers
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13:59<TMcTrain>the driver works fine on kernel 2.6.18-5 debian 4.0.r3 so i think thats not the problem!
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14:01<stew>TMcTrain: yes, the -headers package is precompiled headers, not something you should be trying to compile
14:01<TMcTrain>but i think I should change my question to: I installed linux source and headers what do I do with them to get my own module compiled to be an *.ko? :-)
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14:02<stew>TMcTrain: which module?
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14:03<TMcTrain>its a self written stuff in c which should give me special funktions for I2C over parallel port
14:04<stew>TMcTrain: "make -C $somedirectory modules" means "cd $somedirectory && make modules" but you don't want to build /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build, you want to build the driver
14:05<stew>TMcTrain: does the driver come with an INSTALL or README with instructions on building?
14:05<TMcTrain>if I get this stupid thing to work I'll add the neccessary instruktions
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14:07<TMcTrain>so should I do this? make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
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14:08<stew>TMcTrain: no, you can't build the linux-headers
14:09<TMcTrain>@stew: make -C /usr/src/linux SUBDIRS=$PWD modules was the command to get the job done on my old system with selfcompiled kernel
14:10<TMcTrain>where /usr/src/linux was a link at the linux-source files
14:10<stew>TMcTrain: right, becuase linux source is buildable, but linux headers arent. does this module you are trying to compile have its own makefile?
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14:11<TMcTrain>yes, I made a Makefile content: obj-m := i2c-pport.o
14:12<zepard>do you now how to avoid debian sid trying to mount as swap an old disk partition (hdb2) which doesn't exist now?
14:12<zepard>at every boot it is asking to that
14:13<zepard>my fstab is clean
14:13<zepard>and correct
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14:14<c36pop>Hi , does anybody here know how to stop fglrx packages from upgrading automaticaly
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14:15<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
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14:15<prolix>zepard: udev?
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14:16<zepard>prolix: ?
14:17<prolix>TMcTrain: this is from- In general, if you need to compile a kernel module from source, try module-assistant first. If you run a stock kernel, like me, then also install kernel-headers-XXX for your kernel. If the module sources have Debian packages, you may be able to do it entirely from the module-assistant UI. If they don't have Debian packages, then download the sources to /usr/src/module
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14:17<TMcTrain>@stew: can you give me an example? driver-source: /tmp/foo.c linux-source: /usr/src/*-2.6.24 linux-headers: /usr/src/*-2.6.24-enh-1 cd /tmp and then?
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14:18<prolix>!tell zepard -about udev
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14:19<zepard>prolix: I kow dev but not udev!
14:20<prolix>that's right. you're running an older version
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14:21<TMcTrain>cd /etc/udev/rules.d
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14:21<TMcTrain>maybee its in there
14:21<zepard>i'll take a look
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14:22<zepard>TMcTrain: I have a .udev :)
14:22<stew>TMcTrain: no, i'd just say to look at other modules which can be built against the headers, like most of the foo-source packages
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14:26<zepard>prolix: ok so I should check rules for udev, right
14:27<zepard>prolix: in .udev :)
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14:29<TMcTrain>Question: How do I compile a self written module for my kernel?
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14:29<TMcTrain>Answer: You need the linux-sources and/or linux headers for your kernel
14:29<prolix>zepard: the bot(/msg dpkg) knows *way* more than i do
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14:30<zepard>I saw you tried to use the bot he didn't
14:30<zepard>tell anything
14:30<zepard>anyway thx
14:30<dpkg>udev is at or/and Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>
14:30<zepard>prolix: ha
14:31<zepard>prolix: thank you
14:31<prolix>zepard: you're welcome. good luck
14:32<TMcTrain>Question: what should I do with the sources and headers to get my module compiled?
14:32<zepard>prolix: I see now it my weechat (I m tring it)
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14:35<TMcTrain>Other question is it even possible to work with debian?
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14:36<Rolf_>name Loeken
14:37<Rolf_>I get a "error 15" in grub, before I can reach the shell, what to do anyone?
14:39<ranix>google the error
14:39<ranix>it will help more than anyone in here
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14:40<ranix>for this particular error
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14:40<michom>hello, i am using debian lenny and i need to install g++ 3.4 on it along with the 4.3 version, is there any way to do it?
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14:42<michom>i already installed gcc 3.4 without any problem, however g++ is removed from lenny rep, downloading it from stable rep and installing caused a prob, it need a specific libstdc++ older than the one i currently have
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14:43<ranix>michom: I question the validity of your need for g++ 3.4
14:44<michom>old C++ files that are giving errors due to a new convention used in the new g++
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14:52<jackyf>does anyone know smtp server with proxy support?
14:52<mastercane>jackyf: proxy?
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14:52<jackyf>http or socks
14:52<mastercane>SMTP forwarder or what?
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14:53<mastercane>you can use any SMTP server with a SOCKS proxy
14:53<jackyf>ok, let i describe situation deeper
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14:54<jackyf>i have a mail on
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14:54<jackyf>i want to setup an mta-like daemon
14:54<jackyf>that work as mta, provides /usr/bin/sendmail and can use http/socks proxy to auth on and send my letters
14:55<jackyf>now i am using msmtp
14:55<mastercane>AFAIK you can use gmail as SMTP relay if you're authentificated
14:55<mastercane>install a MTA
14:56<mastercane>set gmail as relay, configure the authentification
14:56<mastercane>--> finished
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14:56<jackyf>yes, but this mta have to work behind corporate proxy
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14:56<mastercane>what kind of proxy?
14:57<jackyf>http:80 or socks5
14:58<mastercane>talk to your sysadmin
14:58<jackyf>mastercane: ok, but what have I request?
14:59<mastercane>a portforward
14:59<mastercane>from your MTA to google MTA
14:59<mastercane>port 25
14:59<mastercane>why not using the gmail webfrontend?
15:00<jackyf>it's for 'reportbug' utility
15:00<jackyf>it cannot use webfrontends :)
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15:01<mastercane>jokay, then talk to your sysadmin
15:01<mastercane>or buikld an HTTP tunnel over the proxy
15:01<mastercane>but better talk to your sysadmin
15:01<jackyf>and I also don't like webfrontends at all, just unconvenience :)
15:01<mastercane>he will not like building hidden connections over his proxy ;)
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15:01<jackyf>ok, many thanks for direction
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15:25<Asaaas>I have a question how to get in terminal my curent download speed on eth0? i would like to get only download speed and nothing more as a result of running a command.
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15:32<philsf>yes, very
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16:04<rbrito>Hi there...
16:04<rbrito>I have one package that fixes an RC bug...
16:05<rbrito>I'm not the maintainer... I was just looking for low hanging fruits...
16:05<rbrito>The package is an ftp server, vsftpd.
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16:05<rbrito>I have uploaded what I did to
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16:06<rbrito>I'd be glad if someone uploaded it to the repository....
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16:11<dondelelcaro>rbrito: which bug, and have you sent the patch to the bts?
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16:12<dondelelcaro>(developers won't do sponsored NMUs, but if the patch is there, someone will apply it and upload it)
16:12<rbrito>dondelelcaro, actually two bugs.
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16:14<rbrito>dondelelcaro, #470636
16:14<dondelelcaro>so yeah, you'd need to send in the patch for the nmu to the bug
16:14<rbrito>I also fixed some other small things (lintian warnings).
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16:15<dondelelcaro>(and also, since that RC bug was just reported today, an NMU for it is a bit early)
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16:16<rbrito>dondelelcaro, the RC bug has been there since early this year...
16:16<dondelelcaro>rbrito: it wasn't RC until today
16:18<rbrito>dondelelcaro, actually, it was an RC bug, but it was filed with the wrong priority earlier...
16:18<dondelelcaro>it *should* have been RC, but it wasn't.
16:19<rbrito>dondelelcaro, Well, as Rhonda stumbled upon it, I decided to work on that package...
16:19<rbrito>He is my usual sponsor...
16:19<dondelelcaro>but in any event, send in the patch to the bug report; best to work on bugs that have been RC for a bit longer than that
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16:21<rbrito>dondelelcaro, well, I can send the diff.gz... :-)
16:21<dondelelcaro>you want the interdiff
16:21<rbrito>I can provide that...
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16:30<zepard>hey. today my etch's gnome freezed at work (no keybord, only mouse mouve), no hard work on it when it happened only text editing, how to know what happened
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16:31<variable>zepard, try command last
16:32<dpkg>logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/
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16:35<kop>zepard : Use Ctl-ALT-Fn (for n=1 to 5) to get a text console, if possible. Or ssh in. The dmesg command can also be helpful in addition to the logs, but maybe not in your case. First thing to check, is the keyboard plugged in?
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16:37<rbrito>dondelelcaro, Thanks for your information.
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16:37<zepard>kop: everything was plugged
16:37<rbrito>I have to go now...
16:38<zepard>kop: and no keyboard interaction possible
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16:38<zepard>kop: didn't try ssh though
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16:38<zepard>kop: finally I restarted it
16:38<zepard>it is the second time it happens
16:39<zepard>kop: log should be usefull but which on ti=o see after rebooting
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16:59<torrr>what are the mod1 to mod5 in xmodmap?
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17:06<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
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17:09<chealer>!tell c36pop about hold
17:09<chealer>!tell c36pop about msg the bot
17:10<c36pop>chealer : thanks:)
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18:06<dam85>hello everybody
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18:06<dam85>how can i know if a nvidia card works with debian?
18:06<dam85>nVidia GeForce 9400GT <--- this
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18:11<jackyf>dam85: usually works, you can try opensource driver of proprietary
18:12<dam85>9400 is a new card?
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18:12<dam85>is possibile there aren't drivers?
18:12<jackyf>dam85: don't know :)
18:12<jackyf>you can google/yahoo/etc for it :)
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18:15<chealer>dam85: which Debian suite do you intend to use?
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18:18<chealer>dam85: it works
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18:20<dam85>chealer: are you sure?
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18:20<dam85>have you seen on nvidia website?
18:21<chealer>dam85: you can check which drivers support nvidia cards, then check whether the versions of these drivers in the target suite support your card.
18:22<chealer>dam85: yes, but support is imperfect
18:22<dam85>nvidia is good right?
18:22<dam85>i want to buy 9400gt card
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18:26<chealer>dam85: Debian's support for NVIDIA cards is not good, no.
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18:27<chealer>dam85: there are no stable Linux drivers that support 3D acceleration for Geforce 9400 for now.
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18:28<dam85>ati is better?
18:28<chealer>dam85: in general, there are no stable Free Linux drivers that support 3D acceleration for any NVIDIA card for now and at least in medium term.
18:28<chealer>dam85: I don't know. Intel is, for the driver quality.
18:29<chealer>dam85: ati is at least very likely to be better in medium term.
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18:37<abrotman>payne_: just ask
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18:41<payne_>hi sorry
18:41<payne_>i have a problem with amarok
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18:42<payne_>when i get the radio streams up ( not running) I have trouble getting the stream to play
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19:10<enouf>chealer: intel doesn't manu and distribute AGP or PCIe cards last i checked
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19:13<abrotman>they're going to start again apparently
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19:15<peter1138>abrotman, Jan 2007?
19:15<abrotman>i just grabbed one on google ..
19:16<abrotman>takes awhile to design cards .. No idea
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19:23<darkone>hello there, could smb help about LDAP
19:23<abrotman>small medium business ?
19:23<darkone>is there a possibility to use triggers? like in my sql
19:24<abrotman>oh .. somebody
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19:24<darkone>sorry but i didnt fine any info
19:25<darkone>for example i add some object, like cn=test,dc=my,dc=com
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19:27<darkone>and the attribute MyAttribute: of "cn=test,dc=my,dc=com" writes to other object "cn=new,ou=whatever,dc=my,dc=com"
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19:28<abrotman>you probably want to ask #ldap on freenode
19:28<darkone>the second object gets the value of the first automatically
19:28<darkone>do u get it?
19:28<darkone>is there anything like this?
19:29<abrotman>you probably want to ask #ldap on freenode
19:29<darkone>what is freenode?
19:29<prolix>i don't understand the question
19:30<darkone>prolix pm,ok?
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19:30<prolix>out here is fine
19:30<prolix>there isn't much conversation here at the moment
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19:31<darkone>when i create an object, the value of this object must be copied to another part of the tree
19:31<abrotman>darkone: why won't you ask #ldap on freenode?
19:32<darkone>plz what is freenode, i really dont know?
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19:32<dpkg>methinks freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
19:33<darkone>got it
19:33<prolix>back to reading the entry/exit messages
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19:42<_fs>Hi Everyone, I'm new to debian - just installed etch 4.0r4a amd64 on one of my machines, trying to apt-get a few things however it doesn't seem to have anything listed. keep getting messages like "Package netselect has no installation candidate" is anyone able to offer assistance? =)
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19:47<prolix>_fs: what did you try to get? netselect? 'splain.
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19:48<prolix>oh really?
19:49<prolix>so much for a free community, eh?
19:49<prolix>_fs: netselect builds a sources.list for you and supposedtly selects the fastest mirrors for downloads
19:50<prolix>i don't understand why you'd need that when you could manually configure /etc/apt/sources.list to include the free and non-free repos
19:50<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
19:50*dpkg gets jiggy wit it
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19:51<prolix>i'd like to see the size of the buffer that queued that request for dpkg
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19:55<_fs>prolix: i was just using netselect as an example as for the error i'm getting, can't seem to apt-get anything as of yet.
19:56<abrotman>_fs: put your sources.list in a pastebin
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19:56<prolix>_fs: have you tried prepending your commands with sudo?
19:57<_fs>prolix: logged in as root
19:57<_fs>abrotman: one moment, doing it now
19:59<prolix>quit playin
19:59<abrotman>_fs: add "deb etch main contrib" to your sources.list
20:00<_fs>yey, apt-get update is doing something now.
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20:01<neotom>hello all
20:01<_fs>are the debian ftp sites not just mirrors of deb etch/updates main contrib?
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20:01<_fs>ah, well i suck then. =) Thanks for your help prolix, abrtman and upsilon.
20:01<_fs>much appreciated
20:02<prolix>_fs: i didn't do anything
20:02<upsilon>me neither :p
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20:02<prolix>_fs: did the debian installer create your sources.list as it is in the pastebin?
20:03<neotom>i was wondering, i have a pci card to attach multiple hard drives on my computer. Im running Ultimate...
20:03<abrotman>Ultimate what?
20:03<_fs>prolix: I commented out the CD as a source, but apart from that yes
20:04<neotom>is this still going to work, because Im tired of windows....
20:04<_fs># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20080$
20:04<_fs>was orriginally : deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20080$
20:04<prolix>the md5sum checked out?
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20:05<_fs>didn't actually check the md5, should it add a line by default or something?
20:06<prolix>where are the commented instruction lines?
20:06<prolix>where are the commented source lines?
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20:07<abrotman>_fs: it's supposed to ask you to choose a mirror
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20:08<prolix>even if that branch failed, those lines should be in there by default
20:08<prolix>_fs: where did you get your .iso from?
20:08<_fs>ah, thats most curious then. I definately didn't remove anything from the sources.list file apart from adding that #.
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20:09<_fs>AU ftp site listed on the debian site. leme see if i can find the exact one
20:09<prolix>please and thank you
20:10<_fs>would you like me to check the md5 on my downloaded iso?
20:11<prolix>that would be wonderful if you have the time and/or spare clock cycles.
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20:12<_fs>i can upload the file somewhere if you'd prefer
20:13<prolix>that won't be necessary, thank you
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20:14<_fs>how does that check out?
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20:18<_fs>looks the same to me. I wouldn't loose too much hair over it, it's probably something retarded i did when installing it at 3am or something. =)
20:18<prolix>could be. either way, thank you for your time
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20:19<_fs>not a problem, thanks for looking into it for me
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20:23<prolix>i guess posturing is protocol wide
20:24<prolix>which is kind of disheartening, but hope springs eternal!
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20:51<di350>does anyone know a good channel for ipods and iphones?
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20:53<prolix>the mac news network runs an irc server @
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20:55<prolix>the future looks bright indeed
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21:00<prolix>i wondered why microsoft was adding 10000servers/month to their network, now i have a pretty good idea as to why
21:00<amphi>how clever of you to even notice
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21:01<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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21:02<prolix>i wouldn't call it clever, but thank you nonetheless
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21:03<prolix>i just finished reading about amazon's cloud computing platform and how they charge per hour of acess time to their cloud. it's pretty neat stuff
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21:03<prolix>however, that's not the really cool part. the really cool part is that there are _two_ opensource alternatives to amazon's proprietary system
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21:04<Aeron|mtf>what's a good reader i can use for reading .mht files?
21:04<prolix>one of them even lets people test drive their cloud for free, albeit with limited functionality and they even mention debian as the linux operating system in their examples.
21:04<Aeron|mtf>i opened up a .mht file in OO Word Processor and the file looked like XML
21:05<prolix>notepad++ in a vm?
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21:06<prolix>rumors of windows7 being modular makes perfect sense now
21:07<prolix>microsoft is going to have the largest supercomputer in the world if every instance of windows7 is tied into their cloud
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21:12<prolix>good for humanity to have that much available computing power, i s'pose
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21:13<prolix>protein folding, mersenne prime, weather forecasting, s.e.t.i.
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21:15<Golfgeo>Hi all
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21:16<Golfgeo>Got a simple question: I'm in need of an app with which I can make a profi looking poster... Any ideas?
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21:17<kapil>prolix: what good is the mersenne prime stuff for humanity? (disclaimer: im in math)
21:17<prolix>kapil: one way functions for computing
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21:18<Golfgeo>RIVE: Thanks mate
21:18<RIVE>gimp = raster images, inkscape = scalable vector graphics images.
21:18<kapil>large primes are useful for that. but not mersenne primes.
21:18<RIVE>Golfgeo, you can use both.
21:18<Golfgeo>And is there some sort of desktop publishing AKA makeup app?
21:19<kapil>the rsa challenges (factoring large numbers) was far more interesting. how large a key size is safe from cloud computing etc etc.
21:19<prolix>kapil: is there another method for computing primes?
21:19<Golfgeo>RIVE: I've looked into Gimp and it is just not that easy to work with texts...
21:19<prolix>large primes
21:20<RIVE>Golfgeo, scribus for desktop publishing.
21:20<kapil>prolix: take a large number and apply primality tests to numbers near and around it.
21:21<prolix>kapil: is that very efficient?
21:21<kapil>not as alarge a number as a mersenne prime of course. there are special ways to test mersenne prime.
21:21<prolix>my french fries have just arrived!
21:21<kapil>extremely. it is used whenever you generate an rsa key.
21:21<Golfgeo>Rive wonderfull apt installing it now :-)
21:22<prolix>kapil: why would one need to test the numbers near and around it?
21:22<RIVE>Golfgeo, try it and make your opinion.
21:23<Golfgeo>Will do :-)
21:23<RIVE>The users of this channel can give you advice about apps, but you have tha last word about it.
21:23<kapil>well the number you picked may not be prime. so rather than use a random number generator many times...
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21:24<prolix>kapil: that makes sense
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21:24<abrotman>Golfgeo: there are numerous
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21:25<abrotman>Golfgeo: inkscape is one .. scribus is probably more lke what you want
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21:26<eddieB>is anyone familiar with firestarter? i want to all an ip like this. "111.111.111.*" but it's not letting me when i try through policy. is there another way to do this?
21:26<Golfgeo>abrotman: Yep scribus is the right one :-)
21:26<Golfgeo>RIVE: Thanks mate :-)
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21:27<prolix|eating>still not as efficient as using a mersenne prime though :P
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21:27<RIVE>np Golfgeo.
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21:32<Golfgeo>abrotman: Are there other onces like scribus?
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21:32<abrotman>you don't like scribus ?
21:32<Golfgeo>No, I like options ;-)\
21:32<abrotman>inkscape could be used for posters .. probably something in OpenOffice also
21:32<Golfgeo>* ;-)
21:32<abrotman>like Draw
21:33<Golfgeo>And for DTP?
21:33<abrotman>diptheria ?
21:34<Golfgeo>I would like to be able to embed and alline stuff but also need to colaborate on the contained text and change many times those texts..
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21:34<Golfgeo>Checking it out :-(
21:34<Golfgeo>* :-)
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21:34*Golfgeo is to tyered to type right...
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21:36<Golfgeo>diptheria and diphtheria isn't in Debian?
21:36<Golfgeo>*and = or
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21:37<Golfgeo>Or am I missing something>
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21:39<interbird>Golfgeo: DTP; scribus?
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21:40<abrotman>Golfgeo: scribus is probably the best i've seen for desktop publishing
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21:43<Golfgeo>abrotman: Also found xsara extreme so have some stuff to test now :-)
21:43<Golfgeo>Thanks all :-)
21:43<interbird>xara is comparable with inkscape;not a dtp package
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21:44<abrotman>but inkscape could make a poster too
21:44<interbird>also, not maintained for quite a while (linux version)
21:44<interbird>yes, it could for sure !
21:44<interbird>one does not need DTP for a poster...
21:45<Golfgeo>Inkscape does make nice images :-)
21:45<abrotman>yay vector!
21:46<Golfgeo>interbird: I do need to change the texts in consultation with others and perhaps many times, so a nice DTP app should be a bit better :-)
21:47<interbird>Golfgeo: OpenOffice Draw, InkScape, Scribus, Xara, GIMP; with them open-source tools you can make anything you want...
21:48<bob_>coming from Ubuntu, Etch would be a good choice to start on Debian?
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21:48<abrotman>bob_: it's stable .. packages will be older than what you're used to
21:49<interbird>bob_: why go from U to D?
21:49<abrotman>why does it matter?
21:49<bob_>well, I would like to keep the system simple, not bulked
21:49<bob_>and install what I just need
21:50<bob_>also, would like to learn more, on Ubuntu everything is just there
21:50<interbird>bob_: then you have to master Debian; things are not layed-out for you like with Ubuntu...
21:50<bob_> makes sense to u guys?
21:50<bob_>yes, exactly
21:50<abrotman>you can try etch .. if you don't like it .. you can go to lenny
21:50<abrotman>how's that?
21:51<Golfgeo>gtg people, thanks all. Good night and good luck :-)
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21:51<bob_>running on etch right now, been playing ET and is just perefct so far
21:51<RIVE>I came from Ubuntu too.
21:52<bob_>also installed Devede from the repos and upgraded with the developers bin and is running fine
21:53<bob_>I like my desktop so far, had some issues with acetoneiso2 but Im working on it
21:53<bob_>this is a Keeper :P
21:53<bob_>whats new on Lenny?, the kernel?
21:54<bob_>just that? or there is more
21:54<interbird>Debian is *the* distro to learn Linux; derivatives like Ubuntu just harness the power of Debian for the end-user.
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21:54<bob_>i know exactly what u mean
21:54<abrotman>bob_: pretty much everything on lenny is a newer version
21:54<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
21:55<bob_>i see, thx abrotman
21:55<dpkg>rumour has it, d is a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability., or uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
21:56<bob_>I would like to learn some python, but in my country everthing is Visual and MS stuff....
21:56<bob_>not too much choices, I must say
21:57<interbird>yes, my neigbour also wears grey trousers, but i don't like that color so i put on a different one
21:58<RIVE>bob_, that's an advantage, you can do Visual and know how to use free software, is a plus for you.
21:58<bob_>I will play with this installation to know it better and then I'll move on to Lenny
21:58<interbird>no, i just know i have a choise...
21:58<ranix>interbird: burn
21:59<bob_>well, I would like to have more choices
21:59<interbird>about what ?
21:59<bob_>here, i'm alone
22:00<interbird>so was ian when he made Debian
22:00<ranix>the software engineer at my place of employment plays eve online all day
22:00<ranix>do I'd say you're ahead
22:00<ranix>and no, it isn't me
22:00<bob_>well, not exactly alone, we have 100 linux user around the whole country :P
22:00<ranix>where are you, nigeria?
22:00<bob_>Panama, Central America
22:01<bob_>4 million souls
22:01<bob_>small country
22:01<ranix>ever been to the US?
22:01<ranix>was gonna ask how much different it was
22:01<bob_>Panama, is more like Florida
22:02<ranix>aaah you have hispanics too?
22:02<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
22:02<bob_>we are hispanics
22:02<bob_>opps, sorry
22:03<bob_>if you have more questions I'm also in the offtopic channel
22:04<abrotman>thank you
22:04<bob_>no worries, and sorry for what happened
22:04<interbird>dunno; someone burned me...
22:05<lamothe>Ok, here's something on-topic, I'm trying to use pbuilder but it cdebootstrap has issues so I told pbuilder to use debootstrap but now that fails to find the Release file ... more details to follow.
22:05<ranix>my fault
22:05<ranix>lamothe: can you manually debootstrap? It shouldn't be too tough, I've pulled it off myself in the past
22:06<ranix>lamothe: if there's problems deeper than pbuilder you'll find them if debootstrap fails
22:06<lamothe>ranix: Yes, I've tried that but it tries to download instead of
22:06<lamothe>Note updates.
22:07<lamothe>Can anyone tell me how I tell pbuilder to tell debootstrap to go to the updates directory.
22:07<lamothe>Ummm ... please.
22:07<lamothe>Or am I way off?
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22:07<bob_>I have a question, is there a Download manager like Multiget for Debian?
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22:08<abrotman>bob_: to download what?
22:08<bob_>the Lenny installation DVDs, :)
22:08<lamothe>bob_: Don't know Multiget but there's gwget.
22:08<abrotman>why? you're on etch .. just dist-upgrade
22:08<bob_>starting with my actual repos?
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22:08<RIVE>bob_, i use prozilla, but there's no package for Debian, i compile it.
22:08<abrotman>there's no need to do a reinstall
22:08<bob_>is that possible?
22:09<abrotman>!tell bob_ about etch->lenny
22:10<bob_>seems to be simple
22:10<bob_>the beauty of Linux
22:11<RIVE>aptitude dist-upgrade bob_
22:11<aptitude>RIVE: i haven't a clue
22:11<bob_>prozilla?, will check it, could became handy
22:11<bob_>will do
22:11<RIVE>bob_, you have to compile it.
22:11<bob_>no prob
22:11<lamothe>The doco doesn't give me an answer but I assume that there are people that are pbuilder'ing right?
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22:11<abrotman>bob_: there are numerous download managers in debian
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22:11<bob_>I have another system with slackware, not afraid of the command line here :)
22:12<abrotman>d4x is a popular one IIRC
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22:15<bob_>it's done
22:17<bob_>probably I will have to reinstall the nvidia driver once the upgrade is done
22:17<RIVE>Yes you have to do that bob_.
22:17<bob_>no prob
22:18<bob_>humm, i broke something....
22:18<bob_>double checking
22:22<prolix>kapil: do you know if, by definition, a number with a fractional increment, i.e. 1.001, is considered an integer?
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22:23<interbird>does fractional not contradict integer ?
22:23<prolix>in computering, i think so, but i don't know if it does in maths
22:23<bob_>would someone of you guys provide a working sources.list?
22:23<abrotman>!tell bob_ about sources.list
22:24<abrotman>!tell bob_ about mirrors
22:24<bob_>would that be possible?
22:24<amphi>prolix: it isn't
22:24<prolix>amphi: thank you kindly
22:26<Zerocxis_>If I were to switch from Ubuntu (what I am currently using now) to Debian, would it be best to use Etch or Lenny? I currently have Etch installed in a Vbox VM and so far I like what it can do...
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22:26<amphi>prolix: floating point numbers are often converted to ints in computing, for speed; I don't know to what extent SSEs and so on have obsoleted doing that
22:26<abrotman>Zerocxis_: only you can decide
22:26<Zerocxis_>lemme rephrase, what does Lenny offer that Etch doesn't?
22:26<RIVE>Zerocxis_, Lenny.
22:27<interbird>newer kernel ?
22:27<Zerocxis_>besides that
22:27<abrotman>Zerocxis_: newer packages
22:27<RIVE>Gnome 2.22 the same that Ubuntu.
22:27<interbird>to measure is to know...
22:28<abrotman>Zerocxis_: there are other things under the hood .. but do you really want to knwo about those?
22:29<Zerocxis_>in terms of hardware support, does lenny offer better wireless support?
22:29<interbird>you will have to configure that yourself
22:29<Zerocxis_>okay I have no problem with that
22:30<Zerocxis_>I like tinkering with stuff :)
22:30<bob_>I understand that with the kernel upgrade there are several improvements on hardware detection, Lenny wise
22:30<Zerocxis_>what version of the kernel does Lenny use?
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22:31<Zerocxis_>in terms of stability, how stable is Lenny? I know it is in testing but for everyday use?
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22:31<bob_>ok guys, i will leave this thingy running, will try to get back once is done to give you some feddback, THX for your patience
22:32<interbird>Debian is like a box of lego-blocks; Ubuntu is built from the same blocks but it already made a patio for you
22:32<Zerocxis_>and I am to understand Ubuntu is based on Sid? or am I wrong?
22:32<bob_>you guys have a good night, I have my wife hanging on my neck right now..., c ya
22:33<interbird>something like that, but they also make their own 'patio-lego-blocks'
22:33<prolix>amphi: i don't really have a point here, more pointless mind interloping, but, if floats are converted to ints during bit math, why does .33333+.33333+.33333=.99999 and (1/3)+(1/3)+(1/3)=1?
22:34<bob_>prolix are you running on an old intel chip? :P
22:34<amphi>prolix: they aren't automatically; it can be done sometimes deliberately, because integer operations are (or at least were) much faster than fp ones
22:34<bob_>ok, i'm out...
22:35<prolix>amphi: again, thank you
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22:36<amphi>prolix: fp operations are often 'imperfect'; there are several rants about this on the web
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22:36<interbird>prolix: in what context? calculator? c/c++ math? 100-precision math-library? An integer is a number without a fraction; check your math classes and check rounding errors...
22:36<prolix>amphi: i've seen some of the rants about imperfection with floats
22:36<prolix>interbird: try all of those
22:38<interbird>prolix: i did, that is why i asked you for a context for math calculations
22:38<prolix>what's a rounding error?
22:38<ranix>I'll give you three guesses
22:38<prolix>ranix: improper handling of turns around corners?
22:39<prolix>ranix: a plastic surgeon's worst nightmare?
22:39<interbird>prolix: divide 1 by 3 and then multiply by three; if you get 0.9999999~ you have a rounding error
22:39<prolix>i wish i was still allowed to use dpkg
22:39<prolix>i'd show you
22:40<ranix>I wouldn't call that an error, interbird
22:41<interbird>ranix: i called it a rounding-error if i'm not mistaken
22:41<ranix>Nobody did anything they weren't supposed to in that example. That's more an example of your computer correctly processing exactly what it was supposed to, it's just that that happens to not be what you were expecting ;)
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22:42<abrotman>uh .. #debian-offtopic please?
22:43<interbird>no computer can do exactly what you want; and a computer will never do that; a computer can only get very near, like a asymphtoot; reaching the x-as but never colliding or crossing it
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22:44<interbird>that is why computers are dead and we are alive
22:44<ranix>maybe we should head to #debian-pointless instead of #debian-offtopic
22:45<interbird>ok, i'm sorry for my input
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22:48<interbird>ranix: nobody is on debian-pointless but me
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22:48<petethepirate>Im having a problem on apache2 (im on testing) when I click on a php file it tries to download it says type: application/x-httpd-php anyone know what might be wrong?
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22:49<interbird>petethepirate: you have to enable php-parsing in apache
22:49<interbird>petethepirate: install apache*php modules
22:49<petethepirate>interbird Ive been working on this for 2 days, I think googles getting tired of me. As far as I can tell everything is set up right.
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22:50<petethepirate>apache2 shows that they are loaded.
22:50<interbird>petethepirate: you can control apache 1 or 2?
22:50<petethepirate>interbird huh?
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22:51<interbird>petethepirate: you have access to the config-file of the machine apache is running on ?
22:51<petethepirate>interbird yeah I have it running on vmware.
22:52<petethepirate>interbird Im ircing on it right now.
22:53<interbird>petethepirate: under debian there are mods-available and mods-enabled in /etc/apache2
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22:54<interbird>petethepirate: make sure that php is enabled or symlinked in mods-enabled
22:54<prolix>aptitude: 1+1
22:54<aptitude>prolix: bugger all, i dunno
22:54<prolix>aptitude: math 1+1
22:54<aptitude>wish i knew, prolix
22:54<ranix>I have vague memories of fidgeting with /erc/apache2/ until I got a file association right
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22:54<ranix>though that may have been for perl
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22:55<Baltazaar>ok, I have just a week ago come to the good side, and I need help... I want to install a programm from either an tar.gz file, or run it with a java interpreter...... anyone here knows how?
22:55<ranix>Baltazaar: depends what kind of program. The tar.gz needs to be unpacked
22:55<Baltazaar>it is KoLmafia.... a client for an online game....
22:56<ranix>Baltazaar: as for the java thing, it's called java web start or something
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22:56<ranix>Baltazaar: should come with the java packages in apt
22:56<petethepirate>interbird yeah I have the section right, Im pretty sure.
22:57<Baltazaar>but..... how do I do it? I am sorry, but untill a week ago, I have used windows Vista, so I am not very good with all this console stuff.... but I am a fast learner...
22:58<ranix>Baltazaar: I would personally fudge it by apt-getting whatever java package looks appropriate, then launching Thunar and double-clicking the game file
22:58<ranix>Baltazaar: in fact that's exactly what I did earlier today to launch CGoban 3
22:58<interbird>petethepirate: does ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php* list something ?
22:58<prolix>aptitude: tar.gz
22:58<aptitude>to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ...
22:59<Baltazaar>..... I do not really understand..... what is Thunar? shall I tell aptitude to go fetch it?
22:59<petethepirate>interbird php5.conf and php5.load
22:59<interbird>Thunar is the XFCE file-manager; much like GNOME Nautlus but on a diet
22:59<ranix>it doesn't play well with samba which is sad
23:00<interbird>petethepirate: as root: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
23:00<petethepirate>interbird Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
23:01<prolix>aptitude tell prolix -about yaws
23:01<petethepirate>interbird thats all I get. I had a problem where it wasnt loading the name or group from envvars so I added those manualy to apache2.conf
23:02<petethepirate>interbird -M shows php5_module (shared)
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23:02<interbird>petethepirate: did restarting apache2 give an error ? also, check the apach2 log in /var/log/apache2...
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23:03<Baltazaar>ok, I have installed thunar now..... what should I do next?
23:03<ranix> barrel roll
23:03*Baltazaar does so
23:04<ranix>Baltazaar: did you grab java already
23:04<Baltazaar>I have java on my machine.... now simple clicking on the .jar file?
23:04<petethepirate>interbird no error, logs shows no errors. There are entries in error.log but nothing that would indicate an error to me.
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23:04<ranix>Baltazaar: yep, open up thunar, go to it, and double click it
23:04<ranix>Baltazaar: you could probably do the same with your file manager of choice
23:05<ranix>Baltazaar: unless it's like konqueror, in which case you just get pointed at plus laughing
23:05<interbird>petethepirate: and you try to (locally) access a web-page written in php that apache2 should serve ?
23:05<Baltazaar>ok, new problem..... Debian opens ARK, some kind of packet manager as far as I understand...
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23:05<petethepirate>interbird yes.
23:06<interbird>petethepirate: one moment
23:06<petethepirate>interbird if you know php (i dont yet) the page called info.php consists of phpinfo();
23:06<Baltazaar>what should I do next?
23:06<ranix>‚ ‚Ȃ½‚̓Rƒ}ƒ“ƒhƒ‰ƒCƒ“‚Łujava jar file.jarv‚ðŽ
23:06<ranix>whoa japanese
23:07<Baltazaar>extremely sexy.....
23:07<ranix>You can run "java -jar file.jar" in the command line.
23:07<interbird>petethepirate: what does dpkg --list|grep php say ? version ?
23:07<Baltazaar>ok... wil do so in a minute....
23:07<ranix>Baltazaar: and/or set your file association in thunar
23:07<ranix>Baltazaar: or file manager of choice
23:08<interbird>petethepirate: does /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d exist ?
23:08<Baltazaar>ok, more stuff that frightens me....
23:08<petethepirate>interbird 5.2.6-3 the last one php5-xdebug says 2.0.3-1
23:08<Baltazaar>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
23:08<Baltazaar> at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(
23:08<Baltazaar>Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
23:08<Baltazaar> at javax.swing.JEditorPane.registerEditorKitForContentType(
23:08<Baltazaar> at net.sourceforge.kolmafia.KoLmafia.<clinit>(
23:08-!-Baltazaar was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
23:08<ranix>!tell balthazaar about paste
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23:09<Baltazaar>ok, that was rude.....
23:09<petethepirate>interbird yes, this is the first time I have known about this directory, I have made no changes to it.
23:09<prolix>Baltazaar: that's automated
23:09<Baltazaar>ok, it says something like....
23:09<ranix>!tell balthazaar about paste
23:09<Baltazaar>java -jar KoLmafia-12.6.jar
23:09<ranix>!tell Baltazaar
23:09<Baltazaar>and then it says....
23:10<ranix>nevermind I'm drunk
23:10<interbird>petethepirate: but /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d exist ? (this is the include-link for php)
23:10<prolix>aptitude tell Baltazaar -about paste
23:10<ranix>thanks prolix
23:10<prolix>you're welcome
23:10<Baltazaar>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
23:10<Baltazaar> at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(
23:10<Baltazaar>Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
23:10<Baltazaar> at javax.swing.JEditorPane.registerEditorKitForContentType(
23:10<Baltazaar> at net.sourceforge.kolmafia.KoLmafia.<clinit>(
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23:10<petethepirate>interbird yes it does its a symlink to apach2/conf.d
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23:11<prolix>aptitude: paste
23:11<aptitude>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:11<Baltazaar>ok, three lines or less....
23:11<hatter>which aptitude command ensures config files are installed again ?
23:11<Baltazaar>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
23:11<Baltazaar> at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(
23:11<_Nameeater>Baltazaar: what java package do you have installed?
23:11<Baltazaar>Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
23:11<Baltazaar> at javax.swing.JEditorPane.registerEditorKitForContentType(
23:11<Baltazaar> at net.sourceforge.kolmafia.KoLmafia.<clinit>(
23:11<Baltazaar>at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(
23:11<ranix>seriously dude pay attention to your pms
23:12<Baltazaar>??? I am male, at least I hope so....
23:12<_Nameeater>private message's
23:12<ranix>ack you killed that apostrophe
23:12<Baltazaar>ahh..... *blush*
23:12<ranix>I hope you're happy
23:12<Baltazaar>so... that is what it says......
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23:13<_Nameeater>Baltazaar: what java package do you have installed?
23:13<interbird>petethepirate: are you using apache2 virtual hosts ?
23:13<Baltazaar>how do i find it out?
23:13<_Nameeater>dpkg -l | grep java
23:13<dpkg>ii | grep java 2.2-14 _nameeater's private stamp collection
23:13<petethepirate>interbird I think, not sure. How to check?
23:14<Baltazaar>Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0
23:14<Baltazaar>that at least I guess.
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23:15<Baltazaar>the rest was very much text, and very confusing.
23:15<_Nameeater>and what do you get when you run java -version ?
23:15<ranix>Baltazaar: you probably want java 6
23:15<interbird>petethepirate: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf -- if there are include statements, this includes additional settings (maybe vhosts) for apache
23:16<petethepirate>interbird grep -isr vhosts * shows nothing.
23:16<Baltazaar>if i run the java -version, i get
23:16<Baltazaar>java version "1.4.2"
23:16<Baltazaar>gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)
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23:16<interbird>petethepirate: try the same grep but with -isr vhost
23:16<_Nameeater>theres you rproblem
23:17<Baltazaar>what shall I do about it?
23:17<petethepirate>interbird ? If I dont give it a target, its going to get it from stdin.
23:18<petethepirate>interbird oh, nevermind vhost not vhosts.
23:18<interbird>petethepirate: i assumed you understood * :-)
23:18<petethepirate>interbird returns nothing.
23:18<interbird>petethepirate: try the same grep but with -isr php
23:18<Baltazaar>I mean, I am a total newbie.... unless you tell me what to do, I have no idea....
23:19<petethepirate>interbird I get 5 hits.
23:19<_Nameeater>Baltazaar: give me a minute :)
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23:19<Baltazaar>ok.... sorry....
23:19<interbird>petethepirate: any commented-out php-statements ?
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23:19<interbird>(like #)?
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23:20<_Nameeater>Baltazaar: if you run dpkg -l | grep sun does it list a package like: sun-java6-jre ?
23:20<petethepirate>interbird hmm, looks like all but one.
23:21<interbird>petethepirate: all commented out but one or reverse situation? and in what file?
23:21<petethepirate>interbird n/m, its was the comments, I checked all the files and they are not commented out.
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23:22<interbird>petethepirate: is your php valid? does it have a .php extension?
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23:22<Baltazaar>nope, just java5-bin and such.
23:22<petethepirate>interbird yes info.php, the contects are phpinfo(); btw I dont know php, I got this off google.
23:22<_Nameeater>close enough, run 'sudo update-alternatives --config java'
23:23<_Nameeater>you want to select the number for the line that is not 'gcj/gij'
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23:23<interbird>petethepirate: and where does info.php reside in your document-root?
23:24<Baltazaar>ok... done it.....
23:24<petethepirate>interbird /var/www
23:24<_Nameeater>Baltazaar: now run java -version
23:24<Baltazaar>java version "1.5.0_14"
23:24<Baltazaar>Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_14-b03)
23:24<Baltazaar>Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_14-b03, mixed mode, sharing)
23:25<interbird>petethepirate: so, http://localhost/info.php does not show it's content ?
23:25<_Nameeater>yay, now try java -jar packagename.jar
23:25<interbird>(apache wants to download?)
23:25<petethepirate>interbird no I get a download window that says open 'http://locahost/info.php'? NEW LINE Type: application/x-httpd-php
23:25<Baltazaar>ok, now it unleashes a shitstorm of error messages....
23:26<Baltazaar>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
23:26<Baltazaar>Xlib: No protocol specified
23:26<Baltazaar>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
23:26<Baltazaar>Xlib: No protocol specified
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23:26<_Nameeater>Baltazaar: don't paste in here, only in #flood or pastebin it :)
23:27<interbird>petethepirate: curious; seems like something is wrong with your apache2 configuation handling extensions...
23:27<Baltazaar>so.... should i change to the #flood channel?
23:27<petethepirate>interbird Like I said Ive been working on it for two days, and not that much on google. What I do find, Ive already done.
23:28<_Nameeater>you would join it as an extra channel
23:28<Baltazaar>I am in #flood right now...
23:28<petethepirate>interbird I had the same problem with cgi the other day, got it fixed eventualy. Dont remember what I did, but I had to many problems, and reverted back to an older snap shot so what I did is gone.
23:29<petethepirate>interbird I seem to remember one thing I dont think Ive done since the revert, is there a global place to add extensions?
23:29<Baltazaar>I have posted it to flood.
23:29<Baltazaar>it says cannot sent to channel
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23:29<_Nameeater>you will have to pastebin it :)
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23:30<Baltazaar>ok, how do I do that? I use Gaim...
23:30<interbird>can you switch to #apache-fix ?
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23:30<petethepirate>interbird sure.
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23:32<Baltazaar>by the way, sorry for being such a newbie, and wasting so much time.... it is now under
23:32<Baltazaar> Posting 18049 from Baltazaar posted at 2008-09-27 05:31:37 expires: 2008-09-30 05:31:3
23:32<_Nameeater>ok, I will take a look
23:33<Baltazaar>29 lines of pure and evil errorcode.....
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23:36<Baltazaar>but still no sator code.....
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23:37<_Nameeater>Baltazaar: try 'xhost +localhost' in your terminal, then try and run it again
23:39<Baltazaar>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
23:39<Baltazaar>Xlib: No protocol specified
23:39<Baltazaar>xhost: unable to open display ":0.0"
23:39<Baltazaar>and the rerun returned the same messages.
23:40<_Nameeater>do you have X running?
23:40<Baltazaar>I mean, I can see windows, so I have this X running, right?
23:40<_Nameeater>try sudo xhost +localhost
23:41<Baltazaar>same error message.
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23:41<hatter>how do i make aptitude install including config files ?
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23:48<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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23:49<Baltazaar>strange errors.....
23:49<hatter>amphi, thx
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23:54<Baltazaar>still pondering, or have I missed something?
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