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01:31<CrazyFoam>i'm updating some scripts to work with UTF-8 in ID3v2 tags, things are working well under etch/lenny/sid, but i'm concerned about portability
01:31<CrazyFoam>wondering if anyone recalls the behavior of pre-Etch+Perl wrt UTF-8
01:32<CrazyFoam>in my gnome-terminal i can run " --title Država track-7.mp3", that slovak z is no problem with LANG=en_US.UTF-8
01:32<CrazyFoam>the script plays with Text::Iconv and assumes the input charset is UTF-8
01:32<CrazyFoam>maybe to be portable i'd have to figure out the charset of the terminal rather than make that assumption... any idea?
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01:33<CrazyFoam>works in a screen session too, love it :)
01:35<jm_>locale charmap returns it
01:35<jm_>or nl_langinfo in C
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01:37<CrazyFoam>perfect, thanks!
01:37<CrazyFoam>i looked at the locale command earlier, doesn't seem that man page explains the 'name' argument
01:38<jm_>submit a patch!
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02:01<nas>is there a cleaner way to respawn a process without editing the inittab
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02:03<jm_>there are several solutions that can monitor processes and restart them if needed
02:03<nas>i would like to do the simplest
02:04<nas>i would like to automatically restart apache when it stopped
02:04<nas>any suggestion?
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02:18<prolix>would anyone happen to have any suggestions for a wifi chipset that has native linux drivers? i figured open source firmware was too much to ask.
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02:19<jm_>many such chipsets nowadays
02:19<prolix>jm_: oh? you wouldn't happen to know of one off-hand, would you?
02:19<jm_>prolix: intel, realtek, atheros
02:19<prolix>right now, i have a realtek one and i hate it
02:19<prolix>realtek doesn't have a native driver
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02:20<prolix>clint1986: i've been there, to no avail
02:20<clint1986>prolix: edimax make some linux compatible wi-fi devices
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02:20<prolix>clint1986: thank you. i'll look into edimax
02:21<clint1986>prolix: check some of their cards on that site :)
02:21<jm_>is realtek not the ralink stuff?
02:23<prolix>jm_:rtl8187 is the driver that's slated for my device
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02:23<prolix>it doesn't work natively and with ndiswrapper, it has reduced functionality, not supporting encryption
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02:23<prolix>so it sucks donkey scrotum
02:23<chealer>jm_: no. but at least some Realtek chips have a driver.
02:24<saintk>Hi, im having a huge problem. A few minutes ago suddenly everything on my debian Etch server started to break down. Mysql wont work or boot anymore, my mailserver doesn't accept authentication anymore, cannot open up screens etc etc
02:24<saintk>I cant find anything in the logging, and im a bit in destress atm
02:24<saintk>Anyone got any hints to help me out ? I have no idea were to start looking
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02:34<saintk>its giving me all sorts of read-only system file errors
02:34<chealer>saintk: does it pass fsck?
02:35<saintk>can i run that trough ssh console ? I have no physical access atm to the machine
02:35<jm_>that's because there was an error and kernel remounted your fs ro (as specified by your mount options)
02:35<jm_>check dmesg output
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02:35<saintk>Remounting filesystem read-only
02:35<saintk>Remounting filesystem read-only
02:36<jm_>before that
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02:36<saintk>what should i do? restart the machine?
02:36<saintk>wait ill no-past it
02:36<saintk> this is the output
02:37<jm_>EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block
02:37<saintk>ok, its getting on my nervse alot :P What should i do ?
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02:40<saintk>can i just savely restart the machine, or do i need to perform some actions ?
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02:41<jm_>hmm not sure, fsck might help, but be careful
02:41<saintk>ok, so i run fsck, and fingers crossed?
02:42<jm_>but you should do so with umounted fs
02:43<jm_>of course there must be a reason why this happened, so you should inspect more stuff
02:43<saintk>i can unmount it, and it will keep the machine running ?
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02:43<saintk>ok, so i'll have to go to the datacenter in that case
02:44<jm_>yes, take some live cd/usb release with you
02:44<saintk>kk thanks
02:45<saintk>guess i'll go and take off from work then :)
02:45<saintk>Thanks for your help!
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02:45<jm_>check your ram, cabling, psu
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02:59<subzero>how's it hangin?
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03:16<Crazz>hey all
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03:52<flipflop>Hello everybody
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03:52<flipflop>I can do a package that modifies a file installed by another package?
03:53<flipflop>For example, a package that modifies /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf ?
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04:04<h45zh35>Hi. I'm using GAIM to send IMs over the AIM/ICQ-protocol... But if the other user is offline, he won't receive my message when he logs on... Is there some special setting I have to change that the messages don't get lost when the user is not online?
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04:10<subzero>h45zh35 yea, die.
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04:17<h45zh35>subzero any hint where I can edit the time until a message dies? must be 0, because a test-msg did get lost, even if the user logged on directly after I sent it. Version of gaim is 2.0.0beta5. I can only change server/proxy-settings (and the window-blinking-stuff etc.)
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04:23<h45zh35>man page of gaim doesn't mention anything to save massages if the user is offline and send it if he/she logs on... thought icq/aim-server would do this itself.
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04:24<prolix>h45zh35: there's a #gaim @
04:24<prolix>which resolves to #pidgin
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04:25<h45zh35>prolix thx *hugs*
04:25<prolix>you're welcome
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04:38<madduck>is there a scriptable way to rename all latin1 filenames to utf-8 ones?
04:38<madduck>like zsh might identify a file as u,aufbeschlu$'\337'.doc
04:38<madduck>and I want a ß there
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04:39<madduck>ok, duh! how do I ... ? :)
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04:39<jm_>if you want to do it yourself, then use iconv, otherwise check convmv package
04:39<madduck>jm_: I was looking at vidir from miscutils, but that sounds good. Thanks!
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04:42<madduck>jm_: thanks, you saved the day!
04:42<madduck>convmv works nicely!
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04:44<jm_>no worries
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04:48<cTATU3>Say I have access to an online dedicated server account system with a fast internet connection.. And at home I normally connect to the internet with an ADSL modem .. Is it possible to somehow connect through my ADSL modem to that online dedicated server in order to get an internet connection through the same telephone lines existing right now? (Possibly something like a pppoe server on the dedicated machine?) .. or is it require
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04:49<jm_>cTATU3: no
04:49<jm_>if you want to tunnel it through that, it's certainly doable, but it won't be any faster
04:49<cTATU3>no it's not possible and i'm required to authenticated specifically with my ISP directly?
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04:49<cTATU3>yeah my point in this is trying to gain a faster speed
04:49<cTATU3>no reason in tunneling and i already know how to do that
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04:50<cTATU3>because the online dedicated server has both a faster upload/download speed than my home connection ..
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04:50<cTATU3>so the only way for me to do anything like that is if I set up a direct physical link from my computer/ADSL modem to the dedicated server machine, heh?
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05:11<padski>how do I check what arch I am ?
05:11<jm_>dpkg --print-architecture
05:11<dpkg>jm_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
05:11<padski>jm_, thanks
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05:21<D2_WON>there is italian?
05:22<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:26<nas>guys anyone knows the simplest way to respawn a process without editing the inittab
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05:28<bb>hi where should i ask my question about ircd-hybrid on debian ?
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05:34<prolix>nas: which process and why is it dying?
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05:37<jm_>bb: you can try your luck here
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05:38<nas>it is not dying
05:38<nas>just in case it dies
05:39<nas>i would like to have it running continuously
05:41<prolix>nas: why don't you want to edit init.d?
05:42<bb>jm_: ok then, I want my irc clients to connect to my server over SSL so i got the source for ircd-hybrid and followed the build prcedure in CRYPTLINKS.txt it builds and runs fine and when configures clients can connect to it but SSL still doesnt seem to work
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05:42<nas>prolix: bec as much as possible i want to separate custom config from system config
05:44<prolix>nas: the only other way i could think of would be to write a shell script that fetched the pid for apache on each run, checked against that and had a conditional /etc/httpd restart
05:44<prolix>or start
05:45<prolix>but that seems like a waste of time, don't you think?
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05:46<jm_>bb: hmm I have no experience with hybrid and SSL, sorry
05:46<nas>if there would be a package that can monitor a process and auto start, that would be better
05:47<petemc>Oct 2 10:37:58 mail spamd[7794]: prefork: child states: BB
05:47<jm_>how about searching for 'process monitor' ?
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05:47<nas>ok i'll try that jm
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05:48<bb>jim_: ok :( any idea where i could ask that question, googling is getting me nowhere
05:49<petemc>monit can do that
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05:50<nas>yeah monit saw that one
05:50<jm_>bb: let me see
05:51<nas>then the question now is what will monitor the monitor?
05:51<prolix>nas: don't monitoring packages rely on init.d to start run?
05:52<nas>monit should stop/crash less frequent than apache for this design to work
05:52<nas>oh is it?!
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05:52<nas>ok, i did not know that
05:52<prolix>well, not necessarily
05:53<prolix>starting things manually is always an option
05:53<prolix>i think
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05:57<jm_>bb: what does it do when you try to connect via ssl?
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05:59<bb>jim_: i'm getting this -> I encountered a problem: (Connection refused) IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) at /usr/bin/dsirc line 274.
05:59<bb> Invalid hostname or port?
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06:00<jm_>bb: connection refused means nothing is listening on the port (the nick is jm_)
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06:01<bb>jm_:(sorry about the nick) i a using the default ssl port, should work i thought
06:01<jm_>bb: what is the default ssl port?
06:01<jm_>bb: is ircd running at all?
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06:02<bb>ya, i can connect on 6667 (non ssl)
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06:02<jm_>bb: netstat -nap|grep ircd - does it list port 6670?
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06:03<jm_>heh can't even build ircd-hybrid-7.2.2.dfsg.2 with SSL enabled
06:05<bb>jm_: i feel very stupid, i am running this ircd in a vm (qemu) and i forgot to forward that new port (6670) so i will give that a go
06:06<bb>jm_:sorry if i have wasted your time
06:07<bb>jm_: ya that worked thanks for you help anyhow :)
06:08<bb>i such a massive fan of debian, you can do anything with it
06:08<bb> ^ am
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06:08<variable>does any of you have opera browser?
06:09<variable>do you have any problems with opera?
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06:11<jm_>I use it rarely, I noticed it has issues with flash plugin
06:12<variable>because ff has also some problems with flash player
06:12<jm_>not for me
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06:14<variable>and sometimes when i type a passord and after i push enter key then in password box adds duble chars for some reason and then i have to retype it again
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06:14<TwistOfFate>i need an article on debian patch management
06:15<TwistOfFate>i understand i can use apt/aptitude to install security patches. but what if i want to view installed patches, or remove one that is causing problems and revert?
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06:16<variable>jm_, how to kill an app with a key combination or other way (like in windows ctrl+del+alt ...)
06:16<petemc>TwistOfFate: you would just install the previous version of the troublesome package in the unlikely event you have problems with it
06:16<TwistOfFate>petemc, but how would you get the previous version?
06:16<dpkg>it has been said that snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
06:16<jm_>variable: you can spawn anything you want on ctrl-alt-del
06:16<petemc>or you could keep the packages from /var/cache/apt/archives/
06:17<TwistOfFate>that's great mate, thanks
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06:17<TwistOfFate>is there some form of package reporting?
06:17<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
06:18<kd>Anyone having problems with phonon + xine in KDE4.1 @ Lenny? It seems broken to me
06:19<TwistOfFate>oh it's ok
06:19<TwistOfFate>when you do an apt-get upgrade, it tells you which packages are being upgraded yeah?
06:20<TwistOfFate>im just thinking in terms of change management
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06:27<And1>Why would I want to upgrade to etch-n-half?
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06:29<petemc>And1: more recent kernel which would support newer hardware
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06:29<petemc>TwistOfFate: are you asking if it shows what packages are to be upgraded? yes, it does
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06:30<nano->Yo, how does the installer work? My vista boot manager says the file isn't found or corrupt.. very odd.
06:30<And1>petemc: Hmm, new x-server, I've read?
06:30<nano->I just got my X200 and I don't want it to spend its first day with Vista :-)
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06:33<jm_>nano-: it install grub 4 dos
06:33<And1>petemc: Ah ok, thanks.
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06:34<nano->jm_: No, it updates the vista boot manager with an invalid path to the g2ldr.mbr
06:34<nano->At least I assume it's an invalid path.. "\g2ldr.mbr" should probably be "c:\g2ldr.mbr"
06:34<phorce1>holy crap -- iPod support is built in to Lenny!
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06:35<petemc>phorce1: how do you mean?
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06:36<nano->jm_: you know anything about that?
06:36<phorce1>petemc: I seldom actually use my ipod -- it was dead. I plugged it in to usb to charge it
06:36<petemc>and what happened?
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06:37<phorce1>petemc: and after it charged to the point it could actually go online one of the music aps I had been playing with auto-started and showed it as a device.
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06:37<phorce1>petemc: probably -- I installed most of them to see what I like
06:38<jm_>nano-: hmm it worked OK for me when i tested it - I suppose you could manually fix the path then
06:38<petemc>phorce1: would be that or rythmbox probably
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06:38<jm_>nano-: but that was a much older version
06:39<phorce1>petemc: It's not rythmbox I know its 'look' and I really didn't like it. Whatever it is it just says "Music Player" in the title bar
06:39<phorce1>petemc: hmmm -- it IS rythmbox
06:39<petemc>all good
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06:40<phorce1>petemc: that'll have to be fixed at some point (with a --purge). ;-)
06:40<petemc>sounds like you're biased
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06:42<nano->jm_: is there anyone here who knows more bout it?
06:42<nano->jm_: changing the path didn't help.
06:43<phorce1>Uh oh, Amarok doesn't see it. I think it was the id3 editing that irked me about rhythmbox
06:43<jm_>nano-: maybe you used a wrong path?
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06:44<Mayhem1979>hi everybody, good morning
06:45<Mayhem1979>is there anybody who did dual boot installation on iMac g5 PPc?
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06:46<Mayhem1979>o preferite in italiano?
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06:46<nano->jm_: First it used the path the installer set.. \g2lbr.mbr, that didn't work.. then I changed it to c:\g2lbr.mbr, and that didn't work either.
06:46<nano->But now I found a usb dvd drive so I'll give that a spin instead.
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06:48<Mayhem1979>sorry if I insist, but somebody can hale me with dual boot install on iMac g5 ppc?
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06:51<jm_>nano-: but what happens when you boot it?
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06:52<Mayhem1979>it freezes after entering in openfirmware
06:52<Mayhem1979>blank screen with black text and the fan take off
06:53<nano->jm_: booting from goodbyemicrosoftinstaller doesn't work.
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06:53<nano->jm_: booting from debian netinst cd using usb dvd drive works.
06:53<nano->however.. it doesn't detect any network devices :/
06:54<Mayhem1979>i trid with powerpc-kde-CD-1.iso
06:54<Mayhem1979>and also with many other distros
06:54<Mayhem1979>but i think my machine is the problem
06:55<jm_>nano-: you don't boot from it, it adds itself to windows loader and you select it there
06:55<jm_>Mayhem1979: try #debianppc
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06:56<nano->jm_: how is that not booting?
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06:56<Mayhem1979>already tried but nobody on #debianppc
06:56<Mayhem1979>it start booting (it seems) but it freezes suddenly saying Release Keys to continue! (freezed)
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06:57<jm_>nano-: well it wasn't clear what you were doing
06:57<nano->jm_: i'm booting from dvd
06:57<nano->jm_: because booting from the window boot menu didn't work.
06:57<Mayhem1979>ok may we go pvt?
06:57<jm_>nano-: ok, I would expect you'd get an error
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06:57<nano->jm_: where?
06:57<jm_>nano-: when selecting installer in boot menu
06:58<nano->jm_: the windows boot menu said the debian installer alternative was broken.. it said that either the file was missing, or it was broken.
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06:58<jm_>nano-: ahh ok - what kind of network device is it?
06:58<phorce1>hmmm I might actually USE the iPod if I don't have to find a Windows box to load it. G'Night all
06:58<nano->jm_: Some intel thing.
06:58<jm_>nano-: wireless?
06:59<nano->jm_: Neither is detected.
06:59<nano->jm_: Ethernet: Intel 82567LM
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06:59<jm_>nano-: no, is the intel card wireless or ethernet or what?
06:59<nano->jm_: Wifi Intel 5100AGN WLAN
06:59<nano->both wifi and ethernet is intel.
06:59<nano->ThinkPad X200
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07:00<nano->Should be supported in the latest kernel.
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07:00<nano->Are there any debian isos with really really fresh kernels? Like debian sid netinst + latest kernel.
07:00<jm_>nano-: ahh you likely need a newer kernel then
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07:00<jm_>there is an iso with 2.6.25
07:01<nano->"The latest kernel- supports the LAN controller (verified with i686 kernel)." one document said.
07:01<jm_>let's see
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07:01<nano->That's the only ThinkPad X200 related info I've found. /:
07:02<nano->A debian version of that page will appear as soon as I'm done.
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07:05<jm_>yeah it does look like you need .26
07:06<nano->yeah... and I hope someone has a .26-installer as I have no diskspace on my old laptop to build my own ;)
07:07<jm_>i know of .25 one, but not .26
07:09<jm_>well you could simply install kernel image once it's installed
07:09<jm_>(from USB, CD ...)
07:09<nano->Right.. that's true.
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07:10<jm_>probably the easiest solution
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07:10<nano->so 26 exists in lenny then?
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07:10<nano->jm_: doesn't seem like it?
07:11<nano->jm_: So then I need to upgrade to sid from hdd? ;)
07:11<jm_>nano-: it does yes
07:11<ghostrabbit>haben will
07:11<ghostrabbit>tauche gärne
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07:12<nano->jm_: ok.
07:12<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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07:14<stevecotton>hmm - that message is slightly unwelcoming. Probably needs to say "on" these days too.
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07:42<themill>stevecotton: is just oftc which is there
07:43<stevecotton>ah, thanks
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07:45<nano->jm_: do you know what install discs i need to install without network then?
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07:46<nano->jm_: is it enough with cd1? I can't find any page that describes a minimal non-networked install.
07:46<jm_>nano-: netinstall or CD1 is ok
07:46<stevecotton>cd1 is minimal
07:46<nano-> then.
07:47<stevecotton>There may be different CDs depending on which of Gnome, KDE or Xfce you prefer.
07:47<nano->I'm not going to install X until I have network online.
07:47<jm_>then netinstall CD is all you need
07:47<nano->I tried netinstall but it refused to go ahead when it saw that I didn't have any networking devices.
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07:48<jm_>you need netinst, not businesscard ISO
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07:49<nano->jm_: yeah.. that was the one.
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07:50<jm_>nano-: that one install just fine, but may fail if you tell it to fetch security udpates/update pkg list
07:50<nano->maybe it was because i chose expert mode?
07:50<jm_>but that's about the last step when the system is ready to be used anyway
07:50<nano->I couldn't go forward after it found out i had no network devices.
07:51<jm_>hmm that's the case I didn't test
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07:55<jm_>it installs fine for me in qemu without networking
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07:55<nano->ok.. running netinst again.
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08:00<nano->jm_: there we go.. works now when not using expert mode (and with freshly burn cd, the old wan had some scratches)
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08:01<enouf>s/wan/one ?
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08:11<mate_>slovensky alebo cesky hovoriaci ludia?
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08:13<mate_>hola english?
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08:13<enouf>mate_: /msg dpkg <CC> <--where <CC> is your 2 letter native language locale
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08:14<dpkg>it has been said that sk is Slovakia.
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08:14<mate_>it is
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08:15<dpkg>i heard cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
08:16<mate_>dik moc
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08:41<padski>do the armel kernels support the old abi as well ?
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08:41<bugaloo>hi there... guys, I'm using lenny debian with alsa... My sound works on gnome, but not mic records has a poor quality... how can I choose the record options, like rate, Hz?
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08:51<nano->jm_: up and runnig with ethernet now at least.
08:51<nano->jm_: just need to find that iwlagn module that by some reason isn't built in the debian 2.6.26 package.
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08:54<gsimmons>!tell nano- -about iwlagn
08:55<bugaloo>does anybody know a voice changer software for linux in realtime? I know it for windows, but I can't find a similar for linux
08:56<nano->gsimmons: thanks.
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09:02<cmot>RFC: I'm starting to evaluate groupwares. Which are the ones I should evaluate in any case, which ones are not worth it? 100 users, a few smartphones, main applications are calendar and email, web frontend required. Outlook connector availability not required (Debian based desktops), but if it works with KOrganizer I would be happy, but this is not a hard requirement.
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09:03<cmot>(I'm leaning towards opensource solutions, but above all it has to work reliably in a commercial environment.)
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09:04<themill>cmot: isn't all the kdepim stuff set up to work with kolab as a groupware server? (never used it myself but read about it)
09:05<cmot>afaik know yes (but needs patched versions of the frontends?), but when I last looked the web frontend was very early in devel.
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09:06<cmot>themill, thanks
09:06<themill>no worries. Now if only I could get our people around here to ditch oracle calendar for that...
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09:07<themill>cmot: the kdepim suite in etch-backports (or lenny) has a lot more groupware stuff built into it than the one in etch.
09:08<cmot>that may be. However, fat client is pretty much optional here, so I'll worry about that when I see that the web UI has the necessary features and sync with smartphones is supported.
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09:10<nano->gsimmons: except that wireless-compat didn't build...
09:10<nano->/home/daniel/compat-wireless-2.6-old/net/mac80211/wme.c:594: error: redefinition of ‘ieee80211_install_qdisc’
09:10<nano->/home/daniel/compat-wireless-2.6-old/net/mac80211/wme.h:39: error: previous definition of ‘ieee80211_install_qdisc’ was here
09:10<themill>syncing is a bit of a mess in linux atm. There are quite a few SyncML things about but they're all half-finished and don't quite work (e.g. syncml in opensync doesn't support authentication)
09:10<themill>cmot: ^^
09:10<cmot>themill, my experience exactly...
09:11<nano->gsimmons: oh.. maybe some gcc version thing.
09:11<cmot>themill, I think most people go with Funambol right now, it's said to work quite well.
09:11<gsimmons>nano-: WFM on 2.6.26-1-powerpc.
09:11<dpkg>rumour has it, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual?
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09:12<themill>cmot: I'm currently trying to work out how I can get syncml stuff out of orable client and into kontact. Server to device seems to be coming along (e.g. funambol) but not server to desktop client.
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09:22<larsie>is there a netsplit right now?
09:22<larsie>there is liek; one person on 'ubuntu'.
09:22<petemc>perhaps try freenode
09:22<themill>Use #ubuntu ( instead.
09:22<larsie>k. thx. :)
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09:45<jmux>themill: if you found a way to sync from OraCal into kontact, I would be interested. We're just distributing the fat client and syncing PDAs via SyncML
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09:46<themill>jmux: I don't like my chances... I believe you can get syncml out of orable's web interface, but I've not found a way of getting syncml into kontact. So a syncml <-> caldav (or similar) gateway would be necessary. And that's starting to sound horrid.
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09:47<themill>jmux: (if the orable client weren't so .. umm... orable, then I'd just use it. But it's pretty crap compared to korganiser.
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09:57<jmux>themill: I remember there was the idea (back in 05) to integrate KDE and opensync for KDE4. Couldn't find any later sources, so I gues nothing happend...
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09:59<themill>there has been work, but afaict, opensync doesn't yet do these things still so anything built on top of them is hampered by that. I did see reports of people syncing everything via evolution. Ugly.
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10:06<Student>kindly share the best irc client to run under debian
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10:10<stew>!best irc client
10:10<dpkg>[irssi] the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see, or see the #irssi channel on freenode
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10:14<Touns>please : how could I know if my PCI ISDN card is really detected ?
10:14<Touns>I don't find it in dmesg
10:17<Touns>jurg: thanks, it's detected :)
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10:23<manphiz>hi, anyone using mutt with gmail imap? I found mutt painfully slow if I use folder-hook to access 2 account simultaneously. Don't know if it's the appropriate place for this question, maybe I should ask in some mutt dedicated channel...
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10:31<IRCMonkey>has the sound bug in ppc lenny ben fixed ?
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10:35<Student>!renaming directory
10:35<petemc>use mv
10:35<petemc>mv oldname newname
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10:35<Student>mv renaming directory
10:36<Torsten_W>man mv
10:36<IRCMonkey>what what ?
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10:49<mickey>can i install firefox with apt-get on lenny
10:49<dpkg>i heard iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
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10:50<mickey>themill: that means no?
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10:51<themill>mickey: that means that Mozilla Corp won't allow Debian to distribute firefox under Free terms, so Debian does not. Use iceweasel instead; it's the same browser with the logo and name changed.
10:51<mickey>themill: ok, tnx
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11:04<mickey>ok, whats the name of the package i need to install to see flash movies in iceweasel?
11:05<Torsten_W>mickey: and u should use aptitude search
11:06<mickey>i am... but i dont see flashplugin-nonfree
11:06<mickey>and when i try to install it
11:06<mickey>it says that it is not available, but is referred to by another package
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11:10<stew>judd: verisons flashplugin-nonfree
11:10<judd>stew: Error: "verisons" is not a valid command.
11:10<stew>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
11:10<judd>stew: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib)
11:11<stew>mickey: ^^ its not currently in lenny, you'd have to get it from sid, and note that it is in contrib (/msg dpkg contrib)
11:13<upsilon>flashplayer-mozilla is in lenny though...
11:14<mickey>no its not :D
11:15<mickey>i mean, maybe it is, but my lenny says there's no such package
11:15<stew>i don't see a package with that name
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11:15<mickey>that's what i'm saying :D
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11:17<mickey>however, there are these packages: mozilla-plugin-gnash and swfdec-mozilla
11:17<mickey>what are those for?
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11:18<mickey>ok gnash is a alternative
11:19<manphiz>both are flash alternative
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11:22<OdyX>Hi. Do you know how I can use aptitude search to get the packages which have been installed from unstable in a mixed environment e.g. ?
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11:24<munga>can anybody advice a simple program to produce a graph ER from a set of sql create statements ?
11:28<themill>OdyX: /msg dpkg list repositories
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11:36<upsilon>oh, my mistake, I must have got flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia...
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11:44<adama>I'm looking for a similar alternative to rsnapshot, that can be run from a user-level only account. rsnapshot must be run as root
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11:53<themill>adama: it only has to be run as root if you want to be able to preserve file ownership and permissions and guarantee access to the files that it is supposed to be backing up. (which sound like good things to do!)
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12:00<BenjaminFranklin>whats the benefits of debian over ubuntu and others
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12:00<adama>themill: preserving file permissions is pretty important. I was looking at running rsnapshot inside user-mode-linux, but looks like you need to be root to set up UML properly (which is pretty silly)
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12:03<petemc>i use dirvish, but i run it as root, which i dont feel is silly at all
12:04<mate_>debian netinstall show no screen after install i use lcd 22 flatron system seems to work but i dont see enithing please help:)
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12:05<adama>petemc: I mean it's silly to require root permissions to be able to set up user-mode linux
12:05<petemc>oh, ok
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12:05<adama>it makes sense, but is not really convenient
12:06<adama>mate_ can you get into a TTY? press Ctrl-Alt-F2
12:07<mate_>i can,,im not at home now i am on ubuntu on work
12:07<adama>I don't suppose you can get in over ssh
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12:08<mate_>its 1st install of debian in my case
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12:09<adama>well I'd say check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors, and reduce the allowed resolutions in xorg.conf, try another video driver, possibly another monitor?
12:09<BenjaminFranklin>that didnt answer my question
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12:10<adama>what chipset is your video card?
12:10<mate_>i try nano next time and try to rewrite the config,,,wath u thik?
12:10<mate_>nvidia 7600 dual
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12:12<adama>hmm, never tried that, check around the Internet for SLI in xorg.conf
12:12<adama>BenjaminFranklin what was the question?
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12:13<mate_>ok thanks man i try
12:13<simonrvn>.:12:00:00:. < BenjaminFranklin> whats the benefits of debian over ubuntu and others
12:14<BenjaminFranklin>ahh forget it, you're all assholes
12:14<adama>BenjaminFranklin: the IRC and forums are not full of assholes
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12:14<simonrvn>BenjaminFranklin: thank you, and you don't even know me
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12:19<rutski>is there a programmable way to detect if a host is running debian?
12:19<mate_>hey guys,,is there something to install after my netinstall is don?something like gnome gnom-desktop ore xorg?instalation of netinstall amd64 give me no choise to chose a desktop
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12:20<themill>rutski: debian or debian-derived as well? You can look in /etc/debian_version
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12:20<mate_>hey guys,,is there something to install after my netinstall is don?something like gnome gnom-desktop ore xorg?instalation of netinstall amd64 give me no choise to chose a desktop
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12:21<themill>mate_: the netinstall should have given you the options in the tasksel stage. You can either run tasksel yourself or /msg dpkg install gnome
12:21<mate_>x org is there? default?
12:22<themill>mate_: tasksel will do that for you or /msg dpkg install xorg
12:22<simonrvn>woohoo, bot killas
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12:22<mate_>thanks man i try
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12:24<debianite>using irssi for the first time, its great!
12:24<debianite>any one using it too?
12:25<adama>it's the only way to go
12:26<debianite>ok bye now!
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12:29<mickey>where can i change size of the font of gtk theme, i.e. the one in pidgin, iceweasel, etc...
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12:30<mickey>i'm not using gnome
12:30<fxiny>yes ?
12:30<simonrvn>!info gtk-theme-switch
12:31<simonrvn><dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait.
12:31<fxiny>i don't have any porbs with wmii gtk fonts
12:31<themill>judd: info gtk-theme-switch
12:31<mickey>niether do i, i just want to lower the font size
12:31<judd>themill: gtk-theme-switch (x11): is optional; Version: 2.0.4; Size: 28.2k ; Installed: 100k -- GTK+ theme switching utility
12:31<dpkg>gtk-theme-switch: (GTK+ theme switching utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.5 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
12:31<themill>!win judd
12:31<dpkg>Congratulations, judd! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
12:31<fxiny>cuold it be a kde leftover > ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ?
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12:32<simonrvn>judd would eat those for breakfast
12:32<judd>simonrvn: Error: "would" is not a valid command.
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12:33<rutski>cron jobs run as root by default, right?
12:34<Gathond>rutski: depends, they run as the user whos crontab they are in
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12:34<fxiny>a user can't own a box via cron scripts
12:34<Gathond>if they are in one and not in one of the cron.hourly and so dirs
12:35<rutski>Gathond: I'm talking /etc/crontab here; so I suppose that's root
12:35<fxiny>var spool
12:36<rutski>Gathond: "who's crontab it is" is decided by what exactly? the crontab file's permissions?
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12:36<avu>rutski, /etc/crontab is somehing else
12:36<fxiny> /var/spool/cron/crontabs
12:37<rutski>I see a bit fat "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" in /var/spool/cron/crontabs?
12:37<rutski>what exactly is /var/spool anyway?
12:37<avu>it's not meant to be edited directly
12:37<fxiny>you are rewuired to type crontab -e
12:37<avu>crontab(1) is used for that
12:37<rutski>ah, gotcha
12:38<rutski>well, all I needed to do was add to /etc/cron.daily/
12:38<rutski>so I suppose I can skip the -e
12:39<rutski>stew: sweet, thanks a million
12:39<rutski>so then the question is "do /etc/cron.daily/* run as root?"
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12:40<rutski>yea, I thought so; thanks for confirming :)
12:41<fxiny>not sure . actually i use only crontab
12:41<fxiny>i hate that dir
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12:41<adama>yeah just use crontab -e as whatever user you want the thing to run as
12:41<stew>they do. if you need to run them as a different user, use /etc/cron.d or add them to that user's crontab
12:41<adama>or crontab -u blah -e
12:42<adama>as root
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12:43<rutski>stew: don't quite get your point about running as a different user and /etc/cron.d
12:45<stew>rutski: who do you want this script to run as? root? or some other user?
12:46<fxiny>and anyway check : less /etc/crontab for a decent schedule
12:46<stew>rutski: /etc/cron.d is a directory where you could add a cronjob to run as some other user, if you want your script to run as root, nevermind
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12:49<rutski>stew: but how does cron know which users to use when running /etc/cron.d files?
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12:50<stew>rutski: the sixth column is the username
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12:56<torr>Y RC have so much apps in?
12:56<stew>torr: what is "Y RC"?
12:56<torr>Why rc bugs
12:57<stew>torr: what? there was no verb in that sentence
12:57<adama>torr: what is "why rc bugs have so much apps in"?
12:58<torr>eg. evolution, why is it release critical?
12:59<Maulkin>!rc buggy
12:59<dpkg>[rc] Release-critical, or Release Candidate
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13:00<simonrvn>dpkg: fricking USELESS
13:00<dpkg>simonrvn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
13:00<stew>torr: there are 4 release critical bugs against evolution, which one are you talking about?
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13:01<torr>I am asking in general, why is an email client critical for release?
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13:02<stew>torr: its not. if the release critical bugs in evolution become the only thing holding up the release, evolution will be removed from the release. however, its likely that they will get fixed
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13:03<simonrvn>here we go again
13:03<torr>is there some code for that in there somewhare?
13:03*Maulkin downgrades one of them
13:03<Maulkin>479533 is not rc.
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13:03<stew>judd: rcbugs evolution
13:03<judd>stew: RC bugs in evolution: 422800 479533 479880 495530
13:04<stew>one of those is "from other branch" though
13:04<dierot>hi. i'm having some trouble using aptitude. this is a paste of the error messages i'm getting.
13:04*fxiny adds a killer release critical to nano
13:04<dierot>why all the dependencies?
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13:05<stew>dierot: you are trying to install a cineralle package that was compiled for a different release than the one you are running
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13:05<simonrvn>because it needs them... that's what deps are for
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13:06<stew>dierot: where did this cinerella package come from?
13:06<dierot>k. i added the source for the "pentium 4" version of the package. should i have used the i386 package?
13:06<stew>dierot: no, you added on for lenny, but you are running etch
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13:07<stew>dierot: you could try to backport it: "/msg dpkg ssb" those outline the instructions, but you'd be using their deb-src line instead of a sid deb-src line
13:08<dierot>maybe there is a better option for video editing?
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13:19<jmux>dierot: depends on your requirements: kino, kdenlive, ... - check the repository for the packages
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13:21<dierot>k. thanks
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13:22<Coyazuu>do the lenny's weekly builds use the installer lenny beta 2 ?
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13:23<dierot>E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
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13:26<adama>hmm, my work just gave me a Dell usb fingerprint reader! Sweet, let's see if I can get it working on this Artigo running debian
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13:31<kop>Check this out. ls -l says -rwxr-xr-x 5 root root 36028797018964317 2007-01-18 17:31 /srv/backups/mustard/2008-09-27-01-34/var/lib/dpkg/info/tasksel.postrm It's a backup of a 33K file. Anything I should do before doing a fsck on the fs? (ls -lh says it's 33 petabytes!)
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13:36<fxiny>kop: i'd kick the case ;)
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13:40<simonrvn>kop: holy crap
13:40<Lethalman>is there an apt development channel?
13:41<simonrvn>why do you ask?
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13:50<Lethalman>simonrvn, why don't you answer?
13:50<simonrvn>i asked you a question
13:50<Lethalman>and I asked one :)
13:50<simonrvn>my answer is dependent on what the answer is
13:51<Lethalman>for trying to involve the project, help somehow
13:51<Lethalman>ask something at least about the current maintenance
13:52<simonrvn>you mean like contribute code, patches, and such?
13:52<simonrvn>you planning on becoming a steady contributor?
13:52<Lethalman>I've just subscribed to the list, I'd like to ask why 80+ patches are neither applied nor untagged
13:53<simonrvn>well, i do believe it's in #deity if not it'll be elsewhere
13:53<Lethalman>mh wrong guess
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13:57<azeem>I don't think there is
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13:59<simonrvn>no, if there was, it's long gone now
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14:12<mickey>what to install to have automount for cds and usb flash disks?
14:12<stew>mickey: /msg dpkg automount
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14:13<mickey>this guy knows everything :D
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14:14<mickey>i mean dpkg :P
14:17<simonrvn>handy store of accumulated knowledge... sorta like a library.
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14:24<mickey>simonrvn: encyclopedia
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14:25<simonrvn>that too
14:25<mickey>debianopedia :)
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14:30<bugaloo>does anyboy know how to make sound work in .ppt and .pps files on openoffice 2.4/debian lenny?
14:31<simonrvn>turn your volume up? :P
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14:32<mickey>does your sound work from a, i.e. media player
14:32<bugaloo>it seems do not recognize sound on files created by ms office
14:32<mickey>garbage in, garbage out :D
14:32<bugaloo>mickey: yes, my sound works fine... it works on openoffice impress if I created my own files
14:33<simonrvn>mickey: hehe
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15:33<mike>Hello all... I'm having trouble using dh-make-perl to install a Perl Module. I downloaded and unzipped it, ran dh-make-perl, and it couldn't find a dependency (Net::SSH2 requires libssh2). Using apt-cache search I couldn't divine what I needed to download to make this work. Can anybody help me?
15:34<kmap>mike: Hi! I am not a Perl person, but could you tell me what file you are missing?
15:35<kmap>There is a package called libssh2, as you may have noticed...
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15:36<mike>kmap: I typed apt-cache search libssh2 and got zero results... Is it named something different?
15:38<adb>aptitude install perl-modules
15:38<aptitude>i don't know, adb
15:38<themill>judd: versions libssh2-1
15:38<judd>themill: libssh2-1: 0.18-1 (lenny) 0.18-1 (sid)
15:38<themill>mike: ^^ it appears to be lenny/sid only
15:39<themill>(if that's the right package... there are a few libssh packages)
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15:39<mike>themill: Thanks! I will take a look.
15:39<mike>I should get more familiar with `versions', but I always forget to try it.
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15:40<mike>I don't have it.
15:40<themill>mike: you're running etch, aren't you?
15:40<mike>themill: Yes.
15:41<themill>It doesn't look like it would be a hopeless task to backport that libssh2-1 package (providing that's the right package!). /msg dpkg ssb
15:41<mike>themill: `which versions' returns no results. And I don't see it in /sbin. Odd.
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15:41<milop>Anyone have experiences good or bad with CryoPID?
15:42<themill>mike: err... scrap that... that libssh2-1 package has a dependency on a version of libc6 that's newer than the one in etch.
15:42<mike>themill: Bummer.
15:42<mike>Are Sid and Lenny... *Newer* than Etch?
15:43<themill>mike: versions was a command to the bot called judd, btw. See judd's output.
15:43<mike>Ohh... Durr.
15:43<milop>What about compiling the source package?
15:43<themill>mike: yes. etch == stable, lenny == testing and soon to become stable, sid == developer's playground, don't go there.
15:43<stew>fsvo soon :)
15:44<mike>themill: Ok, got it. So, if I wanted to get this PM, I'd probably have to go a little out of my way, right?
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15:45<themill>stew: I've not packaged up much in C; if the control file lists "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}" then it should be backportable, shouldn't it?
15:46<stew>themill: yeah, as long as the build-deps can be satisfied, that will be replaced by the actual runtime dependencies by dh_shlibdeps
15:46<themill>Thought so, thanks.
15:46<stew>that should be two sentences, not one clause depending on another
15:46<themill>mike: so scrap that "scrap that", you should be able to backport it fairly easily after all.
15:46<themill>dpkg: tell mike about ssb
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15:48<mike>themill: Thanks! I'll give that a shot in a little while.
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15:52<rutski>I'm learning about mail systems, and I'm a bit confused
15:53<rutski>"dig -t mx" shows stmp{1,2,3,4} as results
15:53<rutski>yet none of those hosts has port 25 open; what gives?
15:53<rutski>oh, it's my ISP blocking outbound 25 isn't it?
15:53<themill>mike: yeah, the libssh2-1 package is trivial to backport and doing so will let you get Net::SSH2 installed using dh-make-perl.
15:54<themill>rutski: yep
15:55<rutski>damn, time to play with Ec2 I suppose :)
15:55<daniels0xff>rutski: i did a telnet on and it connected, so it's your isp
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15:55<themill>rutski: but port 587 should be open
15:56<rutski>themill: nmap shows that google's smtp servers have only 80, 113, 179, and 443
15:56<themill>rutski: 25 is often unauthenticated delivery but 587 is only supposed to be for authenticated delivery so it's normally left open.
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15:56<rutski>ah, sweet
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15:57<rutski>but currently I do have to learn to play with ec2 for work anyway
15:57<rutski>I'll bookmark that link for sure though
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15:58<themill>rutski: note that the exim maintainers think that the howto listed there is wrong... ymmv.
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15:59<rutski>ah, hmm; I'll keep that in mind
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16:08<kesha>hi, i'm using url_regex -i /path/to/blockedsites, in squid, the problem is blockedsites is a very huge file, and squid is using 70% of cpu, so when y disable de url_regex, squid is using just 10-20% of cpu, is that normal? or i have to search another solution for block sites?
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16:10<panagos>is there a utility that can list all system libraries that use a specific symbol from a specific library?
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16:13<Tuplad>Where can I set which soundcard is going to be chosen by default ? (some modules.list file or something)
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16:17<Tuplad>Anyone? :}
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16:20<jackyf>Tuplad: alsaconf, may be?
16:20<Tuplad>jackyf: it doesn't help. I have an external sound card, and sometimes debian starts recognizing this card not as the default one.
16:20<Tuplad>jackyf: someone helped me in this channel before, I had to change some module's name(modprobe?) from -2 to 0
16:20<Tuplad>jackyf: basically, it switches the default soundcard to pcspeaker
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16:29<mike>themill: I hafta go, but thanks for your help. I'll /msg dpkg for ssb next time I'm on to try that out with libssh2. Cheers.
16:30<themill>mike: no worries. good luck with it
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16:30<mike>themill: :)
16:30<mike>quit busy busy :-\
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16:37<James>Hello. I'm wanting to re-install debian on my laptop, but I've got some drivers installed that I'd like to take with me to the new install. Could anyone tell me how I can do this?
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16:38<dutche>does anybody has installed vmware player and the any any patch in Debian Lenny?
16:38<Guest2827>Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
16:38<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
16:39<uillaspa>tem uma pessoa afim de vc
16:39<patyre>quem e
16:39<uillaspa>é de la do projom
16:39<uillaspa>q q eu fali agora
16:40<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
16:40<Guest2827>Ist das ein Spanish channel?
16:40<chealer>Guest2827: which drivers?
16:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:40<uillaspa>é um garoto muinto lindo
16:40<Guest2827>chealer, they're for a wireless card I have, and also the radeon drivers from the r300 project.
16:40<patyre>quem e uillas fala
16:41<Guest2827>I don't know if it's just "a driver", while it's something I have loaded into the kernel... I believe.
16:41<chealer>Guest2827: which wireless card drivers?
16:41<Guest2827>It's an RaLink...
16:41<Guest2827>I'm not exactly sure...
16:41<Guest2827>The card is a DLink G630
16:41<chealer>Guest2827: which Ralink chipset?
16:42<Guest2827>But what I need to do is re-install... but I at least need to have my wireless working when I bring it back up (otherwise I won't be able to do anything, since I only have wireless access to the internet).
16:42<chealer>Guest2827: which Debian suite do you use and which one do you want to install?
16:42<Guest2827>I'm installing Lenny
16:42<Guest2827>I have lenny right now.
16:42<uillaspa>sera q vc vai gosta
16:42<stew>Guest2827: why do you want to reinstall?
16:42<stew>patyre: uillaspa: english only in here please. if you want to speak portugese, please use #debian-pt or #debian-br
16:42<themill>stew: same IP too
16:42<Guest2827>is the Debian german channel on this server?
16:42<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
16:43<patyre>naõ sei, mais eu posso gostar.
16:43<Guest2827>stew, because I've three partitions (don't ask, I don't know why) on my 80GB hard drive, which is leaving me with only 5GB (for some reason) on this partition...
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16:44<Guest2827>And I'd like to have just one big partition...
16:44<uillaspa>eli é forte
16:44<Guest2827>I think just a reinstall would be the easiest way to do this
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16:44<chealer>patyre: Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
16:45<Guest2827>chealer, this is RaLink RT2561/RT61 chipset.
16:45<chealer>Guest2827: drivers for this chipset are installed by default in lenny.
16:46<Guest2827>The card didn't work as soon as I plugged it in... I had to install something to get it to work.
16:46<chealer>Guest2827: yes. but you need to install the firmware
16:46<Guest2827>Ah! that must have beenn it.
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16:46<Guest2827>So, how can I install the firmware? (given that I'm wanting to reinstall)
16:47<Guest2827>I mean, I just just put it on a cd ... but is there a better way?
16:47<stew>Guest2827: you could also just resize your existing partitions if you had a livecd
16:47<Guest2827>stew, but isn't that dangerous?
16:48<Guest2827>chealer, what about the drivers/firmware (whatever this is called?) for the ati card?
16:48<chealer>Guest2827: you "enable" the non-free component, then install firmware-ralink using APT.
16:49<Guest2827>It was quite hard for me to install, I remember. Is there a way I could easily take this with me?
16:49<stew>Guest2827: i don't see how it is any more dangerous than what you are about to do, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are intending to do
16:49<Guest2827>chealer, but how will I do this without an internet access?
16:49<Guest2827>Can I install firmware-ralink from the lenny 1 cd?
16:49<Guest2827>stew, I want to reinstall the operating system because I've several partitions...
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16:50<Tuplad>Where can I set which soundcard is going to be chosen by default ? (some modules.list file or something)
16:50<chealer>Guest2827: uh, yeah, you'd need load the firmware-ralink package from something like removable media. it isn't on any Debian installation media.
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16:50<Guest2827>Okay, is there anyway I could do this without using removable media? Perhaps, loading it onto the hard disk somewhere?
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16:51<Guest2827>chealer, I know how to put stuff onto removable media... but how do I get the package, and then how do I install it?
16:51<Guest2827>chealer, since I can't use apt-get.
16:51<stew>Guest2827: yes, you can install from the hard drive. (/msg dpkg ig). but tell me exactly what your plan is. boot the installer, delete your partitions, create one large one, format it, install debian to it?
16:51<Guest2827>stew, yep that about sums it up.
16:52<chealer>Guest2827: you can download it from a Debian mirror (or then install it with dpkg
16:52<Guest2827>so just dpkg -i X (where X is the package name) ???
16:52<stew>Guest2827: so if you are going to delete all the data on the drive, what is the danger of try to resize the partitions instead?
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16:53<chealer>Guest2827: where X is the filename of the package
16:53<Guest2827>stew, well made. I suppose re-installing is just more fun?
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16:53<Guest2827>chealer, thanks. But will I run into dependency problems without an internet connection?
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16:53<chealer>Guest2827: you could, but not for this package currently
16:54<Guest2827>So you're positive that all the dependencies will be satisfied with a newly installed Lenny?
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16:54<chealer>Guest2827: about the radeon drivers, I'm not familiar enough with the r300 project. I'd need to know which driver you use.
16:54<chealer>Guest2827: yes
16:54<Guest2827>Oh, I forgot... I have to have wpa-supplicant also, since I have to have WPK wireless.
16:55<Guest2827>chealer, I'll get a weblink... moment.
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16:57<Guest2827>chealer, here's the website:
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16:57<Guest2827>chealer, and here's the website whos directions I followed to install the drivers...
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17:04<chealer>Guest2827: I'm not familiar enough with that. At first sight you'd need to follow the instructions again to use the same driver.
17:04<Guest2827>Okay, well that isn't a problem as long as I'm able to have internet.
17:04<Guest2827>Chealer: So could I follow the same procedure with wpa-supplicant as with the firmware package?
17:05<Guest2827>Or, would I not have all the dependencies needed with wpa-supplicant?
17:05<chealer>Guest2827: you won't necessarily have them all
17:06<chealer>Guest2827: however, wpasupplicant is in main
17:06<Guest2827>So how do I remedy this so that I have all the dependencies I need?
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17:07<chealer>Guest2827: which installation media do you plan to use?
17:07<Guest2827>CD to install, flash drive to save firmware
17:08<chealer>Guest2827: which CD?
17:08<Guest2827>the first cd lenny
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17:08<chealer>Guest2827: for i386?
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17:10<chealer>Guest2827: you could download the second CD too, or download wpasupplicant and its missing dependencies one by one
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17:11<Guest2827>So the second cd would be sufficient to satisfy the wpa-supplicant dependencies?
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17:11<chealer>Guest2827: yes
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17:12<Guest2827>How do I download the missing dependencies one by one? How do I know which ones are missing?
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17:13<chealer>Guest2827: you can check whether each dependency is installed, or you can check the reason why dpkg fails to install wpasupplicant (which may not be a very clean way to do)
17:14<Guest2827>What's the best way to do it? Isn't there a way to build a dependency tree (so to say) and then download all of those packages?
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17:21<gazzu>Hello every one! question is: is it posible to install a webmail service? I would like to make easyer to users to check mail
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17:22<chealer>Guest2827: I don't know if there's a best way for every case, but I'd suggest trial-error-download-retrial with dpkg. yes, there's a way to do that, but keep in mind that includes already satisfied dependencies, so it will have more packages and some redundant ones.
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17:23<avu>gazzu, sure. squirrelmail is a relativly popular choice for example (there are countles others though)
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17:25<chealer>Guest2827: what do you mean by WPK wireless?
17:25<Guest2827>WPA2 or whatever it's called.
17:25<Guest2827>The complicated one.
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17:25<chealer>Guest2827: WPA2-PSK?
17:26<Guest2827>Yeah exactly.
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17:29<chealer>Guest2827: are you sure that needs wpasupplicant?
17:29<Guest2827>I dont' know... Doesn't it?
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17:30<chealer>Guest2827: I don't know. if it does, can't you turn off security temporarily?
17:30<Guest2827>No. I do not have access to the connection, only through wireless.
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17:54<gazzu>cgc: una pregunta mas: ya instale el servicio, como puedo abrir el servicio webmail desde una IP local?
17:54<prolix>no hablas espanol
17:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:54<gazzu>oh sorry
17:55<gazzu>worng tab
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18:01<And1>Is there a possibility to use a cs46xx soundcard on 2.6.26?
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18:02<VelvetElvis>hey all. does sudo tzconfig change the system time or the timezone for the root user? I just migrated a web forum to a new server and can't get the right times to show up
18:03<VelvetElvis>do i need to su to www-data and run tzconfig or would that just make a mess?
18:05<chealer>And1: yes
18:06<And1>chealer: Mh, could you tell me, how? =)
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18:09<prolix>!tell VelvetElvis -about ntp
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18:10<chealer>And1: I can't recommend a way off the top of my head, but for example you could use a vanilla Linux 2.6.26.
18:13<And1>chealer: Hrm, don't really know, what you mean with that. =)
18:13<VelvetElvis>duh. thank you
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18:14<prolix>VelvetElvis: don't mention it, just paying it forward
18:14<chealer>And1: vanilla as in upstream. Pure Linux 2.6.26 should have cs46xx with the firmware.
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18:16<And1>chealer: Mh, I also never heard of Pure Linux... I would like to use debian... is it a kernel or what you mean?
18:17<chealer>And1: I just mean pure/upstream/vanilla Linux. The Linux packages in Debian are modified by the Debian Linux team.
18:17<avtobiff>And1, chealer means that Linux 2.6.26 should have the cs46xx with the firmware.
18:18<chealer>avtobiff: but not the Debian version
18:18<avtobiff>And1, don't mix Linux (kernel) with GNU/Linux (operating system, distributions)
18:18<avtobiff>chealer, ah. ok.
18:18<avtobiff>chealer, because of the firmware then. nothing in non-free?
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18:19<chealer>avtobiff: not AFAIK
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18:19<And1>So I can't use my soundcard with a normal debian kernel, yeah?
18:20<avtobiff>that would be a correct assumption, yes :(
18:20<And1>Mh, pity. =/
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18:24<chealer>And1: I believe you can, by installing ALSA modules which have cs46xx. But the current ALSA drivers source don't have it.
18:25<chealer>in Debian
18:26<kop>I want to regularly copy one debian machine to another, but want to leave the target machine with it's own identity (name, ssh keys, IP address, etc.) So, all the usual config files, installed software, etc., would copy. Is there a list anywhere of what I'd want to exclude from the copy so the target machine keeps it's identity?
18:26<And1>chealer: I think the alsa drivers won't get the cs46xx module back in the near future, mh?
18:27<chealer>And1: unless the non-free firmware is not required anymore in the near future, which I don't think will be the case.
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18:28<And1>Hmm. =/
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18:31<And1>Mh, using 2.6.18 I can't start my xorg.
18:31<avtobiff>kop, take a look at fai
18:31<And1>Everytime I type "startx" I need to restart my laptop.
18:34<ranix>is it possible to get east asian two-byte character support in my virtual (tty) terminals?
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18:35<ranix>specifically Japanese?
18:35<ranix>it's really hard to grep a series of squares and question marks
18:35<kop>avtobiff : fai is not really what I need. If I change a config file I want that change propogated to the other machine.
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18:36<zhengyi_>kop: so you want config management? have you looked @ puppet? cfengine?
18:37<kop>zhengyi_ : Not just config management, I also want changes in which packages are installed to propigate.
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18:39<zhengyi_>kop: well, puppet and cfengine might just be able to do that too, but since I never touched cfengine, and only *just* got done with the basic puppet tutorial, I can't really say
18:40<kop>And, I only want this for two machines. Basically a machine and a standby I can drop in if the main machine fails. What determines whether the machine works as the primary or is just waiting around as the standby is determined by which nics are plugged in. I want something physical to determine the role of the machine so a monkey can do the replacement.
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18:41<zhengyi_>.... and with that, you are officially past the "help" I can offer :)
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18:42<kop>zhengyi_ : Good thoughts though. I once knew of the existance of puppet and cfengine but had since forgotten.
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18:43<petemc>kop: , is a perl script i used in conjunction with a few others to do something liek you need, i wouldnt recommend using it as it is now but it might give you an idea
18:44<kop>petemc : I've done something similar with OpenBSD and rsync, but carp made it obsolete. rsync works pretty well.
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18:46<petemc> is the part that checks the other is alive, if you;re ta all interested
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18:47<petemc>things like heartbeat are much better
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18:54<panagos>is there a utility that can list all system libraries that use a specific symbol from a specific library?
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19:04<modnar>hey guys is the new driver for Intel's 3945abg(iwlwifi) are they better for packet injection?
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19:05<raevol>i have some scripts i wrote to to my ssh tunneling, is there a way to get them to run automatically when i connect to a wireless network?
19:06<raevol>im using wpa_supplicant
19:07<avtobiff>raevol, check the directories in /etc/network/
19:07<raevol>ok thanks
19:07<avtobiff>raevol, i have put a captive portal login script in if-up.d
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19:07<avtobiff>so, when the net is up it executes. (just have to check that it is the wireless and the essid)
19:08<avtobiff>good night :)
19:08<raevol>night, thanks :D
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19:10<raevol>gonna try this, thanks a lot
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20:16<loopback1>First timer. Just checking in.
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20:33<baleloi>hy guys, I need your help; I've just setted up my squid on my etch, so far it's work properly. but I'm going to create an acl rules which allow some computer in my network to access blocked sites
20:33<baleloi>how do I create it ?
20:34<blarson>What music compressor/player do you recomend for putting my cd collection on a hard drive?
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20:44<chealer>blarson: CD ripper?
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20:52<prolix>blarson: .mp3 can't really be compressed anymore
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20:53<blarson>prolix: But cd's aren't .mp3
20:53<sona>hi every one
20:53<prolix>blarson: true enough. what are you going to rip them to? .flac? .ogg?
20:53<Nemoder>blarson: i use gRip to rip into .ogg or .mp3
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20:55<Nemoder>I prefer ogg but mp3 has more support for portable players
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20:55<sona>ok bye
20:55<kop>Where can I rtfm on /etc/apt/*.gpg and what updates these files?
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20:56<Nemoder>kop: man apt-key
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20:56<abrotman>kop: man apt-key
20:56<kop>blarson : If I were you I'd rip to flac and the convert from there so as to never lose any information.
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20:59<blarson>Ok, that's several things to look into for one side of the problem. What player do you recomend? I prefer a nice freindly command line to the user hostility of a gui :-)
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21:00<Nemoder>xmms2 has some nice command line stuff, I prefer the GUI with audacious myself
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21:09<grummund>my laptop bios keeps losing track of time, is there something i could do to avoid fsck at boot due to wrong date?
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21:10<prolix>grummund: change the cmos battery?
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21:11<grummund>tried that. it's not the battery... i can live with it except the forced fsck/reboots are a pita
21:12<prolix>flashed the bios?
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21:13<grummund>i suspect it's the main battery... but they're expensive
21:14<prolix>edit init.d?
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21:48<blarson>grummund: Why not just tune2fs -i your disk?
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23:30<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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