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00:03<rgr>,dpkg tracker
00:03<rgr> open
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00:16<vmlinz>Anybody knows how to configure linux as a gateway for LAN users with only one ethernet card plz give me some hints:D
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00:32<johnfg> /msg nickserv identify johnfg
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00:32<johnfg>hi guys
00:33<rage>hi bro
00:34<johnfg>I just ran apt-get update and get the following error:
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00:34<johnfg>rage: hey!
00:35<rage>hey whats up
00:35<johnfg>Did you see my pastebin about the apt-get error?
00:36<johnfg>I just ran apt-get update and get the following error:
00:37<johnfg>rage: are you running etch or lenny?
00:38<johnfg>Or neither :-)
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00:42<rage>what are you talking about?
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00:52<ieatworld>XGL+Compiz problemo. when i get to part where i have to install the 4 packages, i get this error on the terminal "dpkg: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area" whyyyyyy?
00:54<ieatworld>XGL+Compiz problemo. when i get to part where i have to install the 4 packages, i get this error on the terminal "dpkg: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area" whyyyyyy?
00:54<craigevil>are you root? and why not just use apt or aptitude
00:54<stew>ieatworld: can you show us the output of 'stat /var/lib/dpkg/status' ? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
00:55<ieatworld>dpkg --force-all -i compiz_cvs20060218+opacityplugin-1_amd64.deb
00:55<dpkg>no idea, ieatworld
00:55<ieatworld>dpkg --force-all -i glitz-cvs_0.5.3+cvs20060218-1_amd64.deb
00:55<ieatworld>dpkg --force-all -i mesa-cvs_20060218-1_amd64.deb
00:55<ieatworld>dpkg --force-all -i xorg-xgl_0.0.1+cvs20060218+patch-1_amd64.deb
00:55<dpkg>i don't know, ieatworld
00:55<dpkg>ieatworld: i don't know
00:55<dpkg>wish i knew, ieatworld
00:55<stew>ieatworld: err, yeah, if you are trying to do this as a normal user, you'd have to use root
00:55<stew>ieatworld: why are you using --force-anything?
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00:55<ieatworld>no idea, im just following the howTo
00:56<stew>ieatworld: you shouldn't use --force pretty much, ever, unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing
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00:56<stew>ieatworld: why would you use xgl instead of AIGLX ?
00:56<ieatworld>no idea, im a noobie dude
00:56<ieatworld>i just saw some cool stuff on youtube about xgl and compiz
00:56<ieatworld>thought might give it a try
00:57<stew>ieatworld: forget xgl, it was never released, and now aiglx does what it could do, and is part of x itself
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00:58<ieatworld>so aiglx is a lot better?
00:58<stew>ieatworld: if you are following a howto that tells you to use "dpkg --force-anything" without a good reason, you should probably stay away
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00:59<stew>ieatworld: aiglx has actually been released and is actively being maintained, whereas xgl was never even had a 0.0.1 version released and has been abandoned
00:59<ieatworld>oh i see
00:59<ieatworld>okay then im going with aiglx
01:00<stew>ieatworld: which graphics card do you have?
01:00<ieatworld>nvidia graphics
01:00<stew>ieatworld: you'd need to get the non-free nvidia drivers working first
01:01<ieatworld>what do you mean by non-free?
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01:01<RIVE>ieatworld, donsloading the nvia driver from de Nvidia site.
01:01<stew>ieatworld: they don't comply with the debian free software guidelines in that you don't get the source code to the drivers, and your rights about what you can do with the software are very limited
01:02<ameyer>ieatworld: potentially illegal gpl-incompatible evil binary blobs
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01:02<ieatworld>yeh i get that
01:03<ameyer>although the "potentially illegal" would only come into play if a kernel dev wanted to be a massive a-hole
01:03<ieatworld>also another noobie question, what is debian?
01:03<ameyer>and IIRC the GPL doesn't cover use at all, so you'd be ok legally
01:03<ameyer>I think (DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer)
01:04<stew>ameyer: i don't see what the GPL has to do with anything at all here
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01:06<stew>and GPL certainly covers use
01:06<ameyer>stew: last I checked, you can't legally link gpl-incompatible code (nVidia rootkit^Wbinary blob) with gpl code (the linux kernel)
01:06<stew>ameyer: sure you can
01:06<ameyer>or, you can't distribute code like that
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01:06<stew>right, you can't distribute it if you do
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01:07<ieatworld>any good non-free driver site for nvidia cards dudes?
01:08*ameyer wonders if any kernel devs would have any sort of case against nvidia for distributing their non-free drivers
01:08<stew>ameyer: why would they?
01:09<ameyer>I just don't think there's a huge difference between distributing pre-linked code and distributing code and telling users to link it themselves
01:10<ameyer>I'm still not a lawyer, but it seems like a bit of a grey area
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01:10<stew>ameyer: why would it matter either way?
01:12<RIVE>ieatworld, what Nvida video card is in your computer?, what versión of Debian are ypu using, x386 pr AMD64?
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01:13<ameyer>anyway, there's two loopholes: 1) they're not distributing linux and 2) they're not distributing linked code
01:14<ameyer>if somebody actually sued and it actually got to court, who knows what'd happen
01:15<RIVE>Have to go, good night to all, take care.
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01:15<stew>ameyer: if someone were to take them to court for illegally distributing linux when they aren't distributing linux at all, it would be pretty silly
01:16<ameyer>I'm not so sure
01:16<ameyer>if I were distributing code that violated terms of the Windows license (for example, some sort of keygen) I'd expect MS to sue me
01:17<stew>but the difference there is that youd be violating the terms of a license
01:18<ameyer>and I'm not so sure that distributing GPL-incompatible code that only exists to be linked against the linux kernel doesn't violate the GPL
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01:19<stew>ameyer: the nvidia code isn't released under the GPL
01:19<stew>ameyer: there is no reason the nvidia code would be bound to the terms of the GPL
01:20<stew>ameyer: unless you know something about the nvidia sourcecode which i don't know. i'd assume it is free of GPL sourcecode
01:20<ameyer>stew: isn't code that links to GPL source code supposed to comply with the GPL?
01:20<stew>ameyer: no
01:21<stew>ameyer: its up to the authors of the code
01:21<ameyer>given insane decisions like the Jammie Thomas case, I could see nvidia losing a case like that
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01:24<ameyer>anyway... /me wanders off
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01:38<ddt-tr1>forsome reason my usb ports have stopped working, what modules can I unload and reload to fix it? I have seen this before and if I reboot usb works.
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01:48<Nameeater>uhci_hcd is what I unload/reload to restart my usb modem
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01:59<binarymutant>anyone compile awesome 3 yet? I'm getting a LUA_INCLUDE_DIR (ADVANCED) error but I have all the dependencies installed
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02:30<kurumin>po galera
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03:06<NinjaMan>hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry
03:06<NinjaMan>does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up?
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05:10<cetko>hello, what does the S.0 by the user IP when i type 'who' stand for
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05:17<padski>cetko, with a local gdm login I see (:0)
05:17<padski>which is the X display, i think
05:18<cetko>padski, there is no X on this one and it is remote
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05:18<padski>cetko, on a remote system I am ssh'ed into I just see the IP in parens
05:19<cetko>yeah, that's what is worrying me :P
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05:19<cetko>it's not my user
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05:23<padski>cetko, man utmp is interesting reading ...
05:24<padski>it is syslog that writes wtmp, yes ?
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05:25<padski>no, its not ...
05:27<matth_>hi there
05:28<matth_>any thoughts why there is still no libgtk2.0-0_2.12.11-4_i386 in unstable while other archs for that version have been all uploaded the 14th ?
05:32<matth_>padski: I would say it is libc in behalf to all login-like programs
05:32<padski>matth_, I see just for kfreebsd on p.d.o
05:33<matth_>padski: I was looking in &
05:34<matth_>after my gnome environment suddenly disappear ~4 days ago during the night
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05:34<matth_>(yeah I know the risk I go for doing automatic update on unstable)
05:35<matth_>it appears the gtk2 layer is broken
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05:36<matth_>for interested people :
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05:36<matth_>aptitude log that show the borken deps
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05:43<NinjaMan>hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry
05:43<NinjaMan>does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up?
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05:46<diggyz>ive set up a vpn between two routers, i can ping from router to router, but how do i access the clients behind the router?
05:47<NinjaMan>diggyz - what clients are you talking about?
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05:49<donny>hi all. recently applied the latest Etch kernel update. now it seems my system doesn't recognize my CD drive (used to appear as /dev/cdrw; that node now does not exist, and when i insert an audio disc, a program doesn't run asking me what i want to do anymore)
05:52<diggyz>NinjaMan: cliens behind the routers
05:52<diggyz>i can only ping router to router
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05:54<NinjaMan>diggyz: have you changed your default routes on the boxes so all traffic is going through the vpn tunnel?
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05:55<diggyz>NinjaMan: nope? but i dont want all traffic to go through the tunnel, i just want to access some machines behind the router
05:55<diggyz>maybe still need it ?
05:57<NinjaMan>doggyz: do you have more than 1 machine behind the router?
05:57<NinjaMan>diggyz: and are you only tunnelling between the router and the outside world?
05:57<diggyz>i have 3 clients behind one of the routers, and 1 behind the other
05:57<diggyz>im tunneling between the 2 routers
05:58<NinjaMan>diggyz: ok then do all machines have ip addresses, are they in the same subnet?
05:58<diggyz>yes they all got ip
05:58<diggyz>one router using and other is ? i cant change that if needee
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05:59<NinjaMan>diggyz: so have you tried pinging the ip addresses of the client machines?
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06:00<diggyz>yes i can ping machines behind serverouter from the clientrouter
06:00<diggyz>but i cant ping from the clients
06:00<diggyz>only from the routers
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06:01<NinjaMan>diggyz: what happens when you try to ping server ips from the client machines?
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06:01<NinjaMan>diggyz: sorry I mean the other way around
06:02<NinjaMan>diggyz: what happens when you try to ping client ips from the server machines?
06:03<NinjaMan>diggyz: and is your router a linux box?
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06:03<diggyz>yes router is linux box
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06:03<diggyz>nothing happens, i can only ping from the routers, not from the clients behind them
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06:04<NinjaMan>diggyz: so serverrouter to clients and clientrouter to servers both work?
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06:05<NinjaMan>diggyz: what is your output from 'route -vn' on both machines?
06:05<NinjaMan>diggyz: both clients
06:05<NinjaMan>diggyz: sorry both routers
06:06<slashme>I am using Telkom (South Africa's phone company) as my DSL service provider, and I'm running pidentd as my ident service. When I do "nmap localhost" it shows me that it's listening on port 113, but when I try to log on to lagnet, it tries to connect to my ident service and times out after a minute. What might I be doing wrong?
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06:06<slashme>er, lagnet is an IRC network.
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06:08<diggyz>NinjaMan: gonna take a look, 2sec
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06:11<diggyz>NinjaMan: hmm it doesnt work, -v illegal option
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06:13<NinjaMan>diggyz: are you using debian?
06:13<diggyz>nah its some small linux dist based on busybox
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06:14<diggyz>i can do normal route though
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06:14<NinjaMan>diggyz: lol I'm not sure I will be able to help you then but try 'route -n'
06:14<diggyz>that works
06:14<diggyz>im gonna paste it , 2sec
06:14<NinjaMan>diggyz: ok
06:15<NinjaMan>diggyz: btw have you activated "ip forwarding" on both router boxes?
06:15<diggyz>yes i think that is neeed for routing?
06:16<diggyz>the serveroute doesnt have a ip on the tunnel interface atm
06:17<diggyz>so i can only ping from clientrouter to server atm, and i want the computers behind the clienrouter to be able to ping server aswell
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06:19<NinjaMan>diggyz: so you are using an ethernet bridge, with a vlan on top?
06:20<NinjaMan>diggyz: what are the ip addresses of your routers?
06:21<diggyz>the vlan1 is the wan port, br0 is the ethernet 1-4 ports
06:21<diggyz> and
06:21<NinjaMan>diggyz: so what is the tap interface for?
06:21<diggyz>the tap interface is the vpn tunnel
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06:23<NinjaMan>diggyz: do a 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' on each router
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06:23<NinjaMan>diggyz: they both should output '1'
06:23<diggyz>yes they are
06:24<NinjaMan>diggyz: btw you realise if you don't have the tunnel route on both machines ping will not work
06:24<NinjaMan>diggyz: as the response cannot come back
06:25<diggyz> * U 0 0 0 tap21
06:25<diggyz>added that on the serverouter now, still doesnt work
06:25<diggyz>the tunnel works i can ping from router to router, but it needs to access the bridge aswell
06:26<NinjaMan>diggyz: do you have iptables rules set-up on the routers?
06:27<NinjaMan>diggyz: what happens when you remove all the rules and set the defaults to ACCEPT?
06:27<NinjaMan>diggyz: is there still a problem?
06:28<diggyz>hmm if i remove all rules, wont the routing die then?
06:29<NinjaMan>diggyz: iptables does not generally do routing
06:29<diggyz>how can i remoev the rules?
06:30<NinjaMan>diggyz: unless you have something clever going on - are you using ebtables instead of iptables?
06:30<diggyz>nope iptables
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06:30<NinjaMan>diggyz: ok and you have ethernet bridging configured in the router kernels?
06:31<diggyz>guess so
06:32<NinjaMan>diggyz: check out iptables -F & iptables -X commands for deleteing chains and flushing rules
06:33<diggyz>i did iptables -flush now and everything died
06:33<NinjaMan>and then iptables -P for setting the default policies
06:34<NinjaMan>ok re-run your iptables script to put the tules back
06:34<NinjaMan>diggyz: what do you mean everything died?
06:34<diggyz>i could access the router at all
06:34<diggyz>had to reboot it
06:34<NinjaMan>diggyz: flushing rules should not bring down interfaces
06:35<NinjaMan>diggyz: are you accessing the router remotely????
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06:36<NinjaMan>diggyz: so how could you not access the router, if you are physically working on it?
06:36<diggyz>its a small box :) i need to access it via ssh
06:36<diggyz>it has no screen :p
06:37<NinjaMan>diggyz: ok so you are remote, that's ok
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06:37<NinjaMan>diggyz: it just means flushing the rules was a bad idea in terms of your ssh access!
06:37<diggyz>hehe yepp
06:37<diggyz>but im up running again
06:38<NinjaMan>diggyz: did you write the iptables rules that are on the router box?
06:38<diggyz>nope its coming with the firmware
06:38<diggyz>there is no rules for the vpn at all, dont know if thats needed
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06:39<NinjaMan>diggyz: not that should be fine if vpn is set up at the routing level
06:40<NinjaMan>diggyz: can you confirm which interfaces are attached to each bridge interface br0?
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06:41<diggyz>ah i forgot to tell, i also need to brctrl delif br0 tap11 to get the ping from router to serverouter to work
06:41<diggyz>if i add the tap11 to the br0 again, it wont work
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06:41<diggyz>is there a way to see what interfaces added to it?
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06:42<NinjaMan>diggyz: I presume through the brctrl command, but I don't have it on my system - man it
06:42<cetko>hi, so i created a software raid1 with two 500gb disks for a user with large storage demand the other disks are mounted as /home and the raid is /home/user in fstab
06:43<diggyz>NinjaMan: it only sayd br0, STP disabled
06:43<cetko>why does df say i have only 435gb available
06:43<cetko>and the size is 459 GB
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06:44<NinjaMan>diggyz: ok do 'ifconfig -a' on both routers and post the output
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06:48<NinjaMan>diggyz: we need find out what the other commands are from the bridge-utils package
06:48<NinjaMan>diggyz: one of them will show you which interfaces are attached to a bridge
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06:49<diggyz>ah okey
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06:49<NinjaMan>diggyz: brctrl show?
06:49<NinjaMan>diggyz: brcrtl show br0
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06:51<diggyz>br0 8000.001bfce919b4 no
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06:52<knoppix_>wer ist da?
06:52<NinjaMan>diggyz: that would make me thing you have not interfaces attached to the bridge... which would be a problem
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06:52<diggyz>i have :/
06:52<diggyz>brctl addif br0 tap11
06:53<cetko>ok, why is my raid device smaller by 10% than the smallest disk in it?
06:53<cetko>i don't like losing 50gb of storage
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06:56<NinjaMan>diggyz: basically each bridge interface br0 should link your internal lan interface (eth0?) and the tap interface
06:57<NinjaMan>diggyz: of course once you do that you would be able to access the wide area network through the vlan interfaces from the client machines or the server machines
06:59<diggyz>tap11 is connected to br0
07:00<diggyz>but i dont know which more should be connected to it
07:01<NinjaMan>diggyz: which "real" interface is connected to your clients on the client router (and servers on the server router)
07:02<NinjaMan>diggyz: you can only build a bridge between 2 (or more??) points :D
07:02<cetko>what if the quota is set to 0, does it mean there is effectively no quota
07:03<diggyz>NinjaMan: all my ips o the client computers is under br0
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07:04<NinjaMan>diggyz: I don't understand - it is not about the ip's it is about the physical interface(s) on the routers that are connected to the client/server machines
07:05<diggyz>i dont know how to find out which is the real interface :)
07:05<diggyz>i guess br0 is some virtual
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07:06<NinjaMan>diggyz: br0, tapXX, vlanXX are all virtual
07:06<NinjaMan>diggyz: ethX, pppX, wlanX are generally your real ones
07:06<OdyX>Hi. How can I have the boot with * Configuring 1234 [ OK ] (or [ done ]) ?
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07:08<diggyz>NinjaMan: brctrl addif br0 eth0 killed the router also
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07:09<NinjaMan>diggyz: hmmm, I guess you found the right interface then!
07:09<NinjaMan>diggyz: once it becomes part of the bridge you can't access the router itself through it unless you configure ebtables correctly I think
07:10<NinjaMan>diggyz: or you connect to the br0 ip address instead of the eth0 ip address
07:10<diggyz>eth0 and eth1 doesnt have any ipaddr, br0 got the addr
07:10<NinjaMan>diggyz: I'm starting to wonder if bridging is really what you actually need :-?
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07:11<diggyz>what i want is to connect togehter 2 lans =)
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07:11<diggyz>like one big
07:12<NinjaMan>diggyz: are you connecting to the router from a client machine?
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07:13<NinjaMan>diggyz: try ifconfig eth0 down
07:13<NinjaMan>diggyz: see if that disconnects your ssh session
07:14<diggyz>yes it did
07:15<diggyz>it died instant
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07:16<NinjaMan>diggyz: I have to say I am confused now - I don't know how it is possible for you to connect to the router through a physical interface with no ip address and is not connected to the bridge
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07:17<diggyz>me neither :)
07:17<diggyz>NinjaMan: but which method does shellproviders use to get all the vhosts for example?
07:18<NinjaMan>diggyz: not sure what you mean?
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07:19<diggyz>ah nevermind
07:19<diggyz>one solution for me is to run the vpnclient on the clientmachine instead
07:19<diggyz>then i get access to the whole server net from only that computer
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07:21<NinjaMan>diggyz: yes that is true
07:21<ircMonkey>Hi, what is going to change in my lenny if I replace kdebase-bin and kde-bin-kde3 with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4?
07:22<NinjaMan>diggyz: but this setup can work without the bridge
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07:23<NinjaMan>I would suggest removing the bridge, and setting ip addresses on your eth0 interfaces
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07:23<NinjaMan>however I'm not sure how you do that while still maintaining a remote session!
07:24<diggyz>hehe there must be some reason why there is a bridge
07:24<diggyz>its a linksys router with custom firmware
07:24<NinjaMan>diggyz: you said it was a linux box?
07:25<diggyz>the custom firmware is linux based
07:25<NinjaMan>a bridge is simply one way to set it up - particularly if you want different network segments to appear as one
07:26<diggyz>okey there is wifi in it aswell, maybe thats why
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07:27<karpagam>i am downloading debian through jigdo and i am afraid the power will go shortly please let me know how to stall the download and resume
07:29<diggyz>NinjaMan: when connecting with wireless it goes under eth1
07:29<karpagam>please anybody there sorry to trouble since time is running out
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07:29<diggyz>eth1 00:15:AF:BD:54:F8
07:29<karpagam>hi anybody
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07:30<karpagam>hi anybody
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07:32<karpagam>hi anybody
07:32<Free_Dreamer>hi :)
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07:32<karpagam>i am downloading debian through jigdo and i am afraid the power will go shortly please let me know how to stall the download and resume
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07:33<Free_Dreamer>I don't use jigdo, I can't help you
07:34<karpagam>any body conversant with jigdo please
07:35<karpagam>anyhow thanks free dreamer
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07:36<karpagam>any body conversant with jigdo please
07:37<ifvoid>!tell karpagam about ask
07:37<Free_Dreamer>I have following question: can I run Linux in single-user, single task mode?
07:37<ifvoid>Free_Dreamer: yes
07:38<Free_Dreamer>how :)
07:38<ifvoid>Free_Dreamer: but why woulde you want to?
07:38<ifvoid>Free_Dreamer: init 1
07:38<karpagam>hi ifvoid, i am downloading debian through jigdo and i am afraid the power will go shortly please let me know how to stall the download and resume
07:38<ifvoid>karpagam: Ctrl-Z ?
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07:38<Free_Dreamer>I want to use all power of the system ant to make test about my algorithm
07:38<karpagam>is ctrl-Z to stop or resume
07:38<ifvoid>Free_Dreamer: ah well
07:39<ifvoid>Free_Dreamer: that's pointless, geenrally
07:39<ifvoid>just do it in normal init 3
07:39<ifvoid>and make sure nothing heavy is running
07:39<ifvoid>maybe shut off X
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07:40<karpagam>thanks ifvoid how to resume the broken download when the power is back
07:40<ifvoid>karpagam: uh, for power you mean the powe for your computer?
07:41<ifvoid>or just the network?
07:41<ifvoid>because if the computer is down, the only option is hibernating, I guess
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07:41<karpagam>yes the power for my computer hibernating what is that
07:42<ifvoid>hibernation is when your computer writes its memory to harddisk and shut down
07:42<ifvoid>then when you start again, it reads it's state from the disk and resumes where it was
07:42<lucas_>hi everybody
07:42<karpagam>i am a newbie how to do that please?
07:43<ifvoid>it's not trivial to get to work
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07:44<Free_Dreamer><ifvoid> ok but I don't want the CPU to process more than one process at time I want to have the full computing power of the CPU only for my program
07:44<karpagam>thanks but jigdo is currently downloading so i have cross my fingers i guess
07:44<ifvoid>karpagam: but I _assume_ that jigdo will just keep its cache if it is interrupted
07:44<ifvoid>karpagam: so that it will just continue where it left off
07:45<ifvoid>I've never used it myself though
07:45<ifvoid>Free_Dreamer: why?
07:45<ifvoid>Free_Dreamer: do you have any reason to assume that other processes will use significant parts of the cpu?
07:45<karpagam>thank you so much i will trust my luck and go ahead
07:45<Free_Dreamer>I don't know how much they use
07:46<ifvoid>anyway, inti 1 does exactly what you want
07:46<ifvoid>or maybe even reboot with init=/bin/sh on the kernel command line
07:47<karpagam>thanks, bye
07:47<Free_Dreamer>ok thank you I will read more about that :)
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08:11<Yuri->Hi all! :)
08:11<Yuri->how can I configure the font size of conky?
08:12<Torsten_W>Yuri-: set it in ~/.conkyrc
08:12<Yuri->Torsten_W, I know, but how?
08:12<Torsten_W>Yuri-: if you don't know how, read the docu
08:12<Yuri->I done that
08:12<Yuri->but I have not founded something about
08:12<Torsten_W>i don't believe, that you have read the docu
08:13<Yuri->I founded only a variable that set the font
08:13<Yuri->but not the font size
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08:14<Torsten_W>${font Monospace:size=13} for example
08:14<Yuri->Torsten_W, and if I want a default font size?
08:15<Yuri->for all the configuration
08:15<ddt-tr1>forsome reason my usb ports have stopped working, what modules can I unload and reload to fix it? I have seen this before and if I reboot usb works.
08:15<Torsten_W>Yuri-: here is #debian, not #conky
08:16<Yuri->Yes, no problem, thanks a lot
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08:23<ddt-tr1>ok, how about this, how do i force the removal of a module when modprobe -f -r doesnt work? and neither does rmmod -f
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08:23<enouf>ddt-tr1: find it's depends
08:24<enouf>ddt-tr1: also, gracefully kill whatever is using it
08:24<enouf>ddt-tr1: which module?
08:24<ddt-tr1>thats the problem, my usb ports arent working so I am trying to remove the usbcore module and reinserting it. hoping to avoid a reboot
08:25<enouf>heh, good luck
08:25<ddt-tr1>so a reboot is probably the only way?
08:25<enouf>none are working?
08:25<ddt-tr1>becuase I think usbcore is hung.
08:25<ddt-tr1>nope when I insert something into a port I dont get anything in dmesg
08:25<enouf>likely, yes, the initrd usually loads usbcore/{e,h,o}hci_hcd IIRC
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08:27<ddt-tr1>I cant belive there is no way to force the restart of a kernel module, a force that really works.
08:27<enouf>ddt-tr1: unless someone else is more familiar with this issue .. it all depends what is actually wrong, if the port/controller/host controller is sleeping or dead, or the usb stack is corrupt or whatever
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08:28<ddt-tr1>is there someway I can tell?
08:29<enouf>ddt-tr1: you might try rescanning all devices/ports, through /sys/class/* ? or see what /proc/bus/usb/* can tell you .. try some kernel related channels or lists
08:29<enouf>look through the logs
08:29<ddt-tr1>which log?
08:29<enouf>the ones in /var/log/
08:29<enouf>all of them
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08:30<enouf>i mean, maybe it's even ACPI or s2ram/s2disk related? more info
08:31<ddt-tr1>as seemingly random intervals my usb ports go out till I reboot the box.
08:31<enouf>i'd just be guessing from here - as i've not yet toyed much with USB crap - i've messed with ps/2 and even Sata and scsi controllers
08:31<enouf>just a bit
08:32<enouf>ouch - which kernel?
08:32<enouf>cat /proc/version
08:32<ddt-tr1>well I still apprecate the help.
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08:34<enouf>tools like sdparm, scsitools (, etc i've toyed with - issues such as these - but i'd upgrade that kernel - see this as an example - careful though what you do and
08:34<enouf>but that's more device sleeping related
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08:35<enouf>seems like you're not even running debian - oh well
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08:38<abrotman>ddt-tr1: cat /proc/version .. show us the whole thing
08:39<helmut>yeah. rcbugs++
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08:43<artworx>i want to set a route for an interface. How can i do that in /etc/network/interfaces?
08:44<abrotman>man route .. man interfaces .. you can use the post-up optin to set a route .. but you can only have one default route
08:44<wvdakker>somebody from debian qa available?
08:45<artworx>abrotman, 10x and i don't want to set a default route
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08:55<ircMonkey>It seems it's not possible to install kdebase-runtime-data-common package, since it depends on kdebase-bin (??)
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08:58<artworx>is there any easy way to do port forwarding from host A to host B?
08:58<stevecotton>ircMonkey: why isn't kdebase-bin installing?
08:59<abrotman>artworx: iptables
09:00<artworx>abrotman, yes, iptables, but would something like this work? iptables -I INPUT 1 -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 53467 -j DNAT --to
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09:00<abrotman>ask #iptables on freenode
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09:01<artworx>abrotman, ok 10x
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09:02<ircMonkey>stevecotton: s/depends/conflicts/
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09:05<upsilon>ircMonkey: because it replaces it
09:05<ircMonkey>upsilon: not sure..
09:05<upsilon>ircMonkey: that's what aptitude tells me :)
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09:06<ircMonkey>If I try to install it (with aptitude); the only choice I have is to remove...
09:06<ircMonkey>a lot af thigs (?)
09:06<ircMonkey>I check again
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09:07<ircMonkey>Yess (!)
09:07<ircMonkey>you'r true
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09:07<stevecotton>Which package depends on kdebase-runtime-data-common and isn't satisfied with kdebase-bin?
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09:08<ircMonkey>but what is if you actually select it?
09:09<ircMonkey>.the only choices you have is to remove about every things
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09:13<stevecotton>I'm thinking it's a bug, but if nothing depends on it, it's not so severe a bug.
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09:21<enouf>stevecotton: let $ apt-cache {r}depends kdebase-runtime-data-common tell you
09:22<enouf>or aptitude ...
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09:38<euzao>how do I make my network device's mac change automatically?
09:38<euzao>on the boot?
09:39<petemc>pre up
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09:50<hjb>Hi. I've installed eclipse on my debian lenny system
09:50<hjb>However, the result is unsatisfying
09:51<hjb>eclipse seems to be totally broken
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09:51<hjb>it starts up, but the welcome screen shows an error many other things, like the preferences dialog for choosing the jvm also displays error
09:52<hjb>Anyone has a clue what's wrong here?
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09:52<hjb>btw. what's the difference between the eclipse-* and eclipse-*-gcj packages?
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09:53<hjb>eclipse also seems to default to use gcj
09:53<parsix>hi to all
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09:53<parsix>how i can register?
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09:54<Torsten_W>register what?
09:54<parsix>to this conversation
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09:56<abrotman>you're already talking
09:56<enouf>parsix: /msg CHANSERV help register?
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09:57<stuckey>Hello. I have a problem with apt-get... It's deleting all of my programs. For example, I just run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoclean and it has just deleted just about all of the software on this computer. Can anyone help me fix this? Is this some sort of bug?
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09:57<enouf>parsix: /msg NICKSERV help register <-- better
09:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:58<enouf>parsix: so then /msg NICKSERV REGISTER <password> <e-mail>
09:58<stew>stuckey: none of those commands would remove any packages. are you sure those commands are the ones causing software to be removed?
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09:59<stuckey>stew: here's the entire output: which came directly after running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autocean
09:59<stuckey>I am positive that that IS the command I gave, 100%.
10:00<stew>stuckey: ok, but what makes you think that software was deleted?
10:00<parsix>enouf <<<<thanks for help
10:00<stuckey>stew: Because this is the third time this has happened, the 1st time I didn't catch it and reset the computer to find that there wasn't any software installed (e.g., gnome, gdm, etc.)
10:01<cetko>hi, why is it when i set home folder permissions to 750 i can't access any of the folders, my login group is the group of the folder
10:01<stuckey>stew: Because it says beginning on line 45 "Del *"
10:01<stew>stuckey: do you mean the Del statements in that output? thats autoclean removing cached content from /var/cache/apt/archives, not removing installed software
10:01<stuckey>stew: Are you sure?
10:01<tkoski>hjb: hi, how did you install eclipse?
10:01<stew>stuckey: yes
10:01<tkoski>hjb: apt-get ?
10:02<enouf>stuckey: it's removing the pkgs, not the installed software
10:02<stuckey>Oh okay, Well what would cause it to remove software?
10:02<stew>stuckey: none of those commands. what other commands did you run. how do you know that software was removed?
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10:02<enouf>that's what autoclean does / is supposed to do, isn;t it?
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10:03<enouf>(remove pkgs, not installed software)
10:03<stuckey>I don't have a log of the first time it happened unfortunately, but I ran that exact same command.
10:03<stuckey>It did it one other time, and I had to reinstall gnome.
10:03<stevecotton>no, autoclean is to clear the download cache in /var/cache/apt/archive
10:03<stuckey>Okay, so this time it's not removed anything?
10:03<enouf>stuckey: if you performed a "dist-upgrade" instead - that might have occured
10:03<stuckey>What's a dist-upgrade
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10:04<enouf>stevecotton: downloaded cache? they are .debs == packages
10:04<stevecotton>looks to me like it's removed a lot
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10:05<enouf>stuckey: also depending upon what fiddling one does in /etc/apt/sources.list
10:05<hjb>tkoski aptitude
10:05<enouf>stuckey: /msg dpkg reference
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10:05<hjb>tkoski i've installed the eclipse and the eclipse-cdt package
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10:06<hjb>which pulled several other with them
10:06<Navde-Kourosh>im parsix
10:06<stevecotton>ah, maybe not. apt-get says "del ..." when it deletes from the cache
10:06<Navde-Kourosh>how i can login?
10:06<stevecotton>stuckey - what does "dpkg -l grep" say?
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10:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:07<enouf>!tell stuckey -about msgthebot
10:07<stevecotton>ah, I'm repeating what stew's already said; missed a bit.
10:07<enouf>stuckey: just a better way - and a FYI
10:08<tkoski>hjb, how did you start it?
10:08<stevecotton>stuckey: that shows it's still installed :)
10:08<stuckey>stevecotton: Okay thanks.
10:08<tkoski>hjb, and what is your java version?
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10:13<hjb>tkoski i started it by running "eclipse" from command line
10:14<hjb>tkoski sun-java6-jre 6-07-4
10:15<hjb>tkoski and java-gcj-compat 1.0.76-5
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10:19<ircMonkey>stevecotton: "I'm thinking it's a bug, but if nothing depends on it, it's not so severe a bug." I agree :)
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10:25<hjb>tkoski but if i understand ccorrectly eclipse ignores alternatives and uses gcj anyway
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10:25<NinjaMan>hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry
10:26<NinjaMan>does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up?
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10:27<nickdaly>hjb: no, eclipse uses the JREs in the order found in /etc/eclipse/java_home
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10:27<euzao>how do I change MAC on boot????!?!!!!!?!
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10:28<tkoski>hjb: it's 3.3 or 3.4, the eclipse version i mean?
10:28<stevecotton>ircMonkey: log it then :)
10:28<nickdaly>or ~/.eclipse/eclipserc (define JAVA_HOME in there)
10:29<hjb>nickdaly oh, ok
10:30<tkoski>hjb: /etc/eclipse/java_home exists for you?
10:30<hjb>tkoski aptitude says 3.2.2-5 but splash screen shows 3.3 (it's the version in lenny)
10:30<hjb>tkoski japp
10:30<tkoski>hjb: ok
10:30<hjb>tkoski ehm, i mean, yes ;)
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10:31<tkoski>hjb: ok :) try to change the order in /etc/eclipse/java_home to see if it helps
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10:31<hjb>tkoski ok, lets see
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10:32<enouf>hjb: make update-java-alternatives is for you?
10:32<enouf>erm s/make/maybe*
10:32<hjb>enouf no, as eclipse uses it's own system to dtermine which jvm to use
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10:33<enouf>oh well, java sucks anyway
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10:33<hjb>tkoski oh, i was wrong, splash shows 3.2 too :-)
10:33<tkoski>hjb: ok :) but did it start to work?
10:34<hjb>tkoski yeah :-)
10:34<hjb>tkoski now it works
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10:35<hjb>tkoski so, eclipse + gcj is broken i guess
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10:35<tkoski>hjb: good. but if you want to work some more, i recomment to install 3.4 or eclipse, genymade. it's good :)
10:36<tkoski>hjb: i meant3.4 of eclipse...
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10:39<T_X>hi! I wanna get an ATI Radeon HD 3470 X2 on a friends notebook working tomorrow. He just has to install the fglrx-source package with aptitude and then we have to follow the instructions under /usr/share/doc/fglrx-source/README.Debian, right?
10:40<hjb>tkoski ok, i'll try
10:40<T_X>I don't wanna make any mistakes tomorrow, he's already a little frustrated with the driver stuff under linux :D. So it has to work on the fly and understandable tomorrow :)
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10:40<hjb>tkoski you i first have to purge the debian packages? and then install the relase from
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10:44<tkoski>hjb: no, no need to remove the old one
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10:45<pino>Hello. I've installed Debian with debootstrap on a CF Card. But now I've problems with the sound. If I want to start BMPx it says, that it can't initialized the audio subsystem. Alsa is installed and configured.
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10:48<nickdaly>pino: have you checked BMPx's sound system settings? is it trying to use Alsa? If you're using Gnome or KDE, you might be running PortAudio or the KDE sound server on top of alsa, preventing BMPx from accessing alsa directly.
10:48<hjb>tkoski ok, cool
10:48<hjb>tkoski thanks for your help
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10:50<pino>nickdaly: I use Fluxbox. In the dropdown menu from BMPx is not an entry.
10:50<epitaph>T_K, I don't have one to test, but as far as I can see that card should work with the standard radeonhd driver (xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd) you shouldn't need to go from source
10:51<nickdaly>pino: you mean BMPx doesn't have a sound system selected?
10:52<pino>nickdaly: What ever. Yes. I can't select any audio systems. There is nothing in the list.
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10:52<nickdaly>can you get, say xmms to play anything?
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10:54<pino>nickdaly: Could it be, that alsa is noch depends any audioserver? Do I have to install one? Or is Alsa the sound server?
10:54<nickdaly>alsa is the sound server itself
10:55<tkoski>hjb no problem. I hope you get your development running soon smoothly :)
10:55<nickdaly>other sound servers can run on top of it (portAudio, arts, etc), but Alsa alone will do the trick
10:56<pino>nickdaly: Wait a moment. I install xmms
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10:56<simonrvn>alsa is not a sound server
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10:59<nickdaly>pino: I've never actually had much luck with bmpx... I use quodlibet, which works for what I demand of it
11:02<pino_>nickdaly: XMMS works! Have it a music libary?
11:04<nickdaly>yeah, it does, it's the library window, I think
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11:04<nickdaly>I suggested xmms because it's the player that's pretty much guaranteed to work (ruling out your alsa setup as a problem)
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11:06<pino_>nickdaly: Because I can't found a libary. Only the playlist. Is the libary an plugin?
11:07<nickdaly>erm, well, the playlist IS the library, I think, modeled after winamp. quodlibet, rhythmbox (gnome), and amarok (kde), are all reputable media players with real libraries
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11:07<pino_>nickdaly: Okay... thank you for your help!
11:08<nickdaly>pino: np!
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11:08<pino_>nickdaly: And sorry for my bad english^^
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11:10<nickdaly>pino: it's alright, you're pretty good!
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11:16<icyo>i have a little question
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11:17<icyo>how can I add a ketboard map in etch?
11:17*Gloin picks up his axe and charges at Smaug
11:17<icyo>like canadian multi-language
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11:21<silver>Server for online games host your game in SilverDC promotional prices. Check! msn:
11:22*Skratz0r scowls
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11:22<icyo>I am in console only
11:23<icyo>and i've got only canadian french et english available
11:23<silver>Server for online games host your game in SilverDC promotional prices. Check! msn:
11:24<simonrvn>!ops silver spamming
11:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: silver spamming
11:26<miksuh>how do you tell Lenny installer that you want to install xfce instead of gnome? Etch installer did let you give otions like "tasks=xfce-desktop"
11:26<epitaph>icyo, loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/<whatever>
11:26<simonrvn>miksuh: use the xfce iso
11:26<miksuh>it's great that lenny installer has that new menu, but how do you give options like that?
11:26<icyo>thx i'll try
11:26<miksuh>simonrvn: netinst?
11:27<silver>not spamming
11:27<epitaph>icyo, the default one is stored in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
11:27<simonrvn>silver: bullshit
11:27<simonrvn>miksuh: hm, there might be one, check
11:27<miksuh>simonrvn: i kniow that you could download installation cd for xfce, but what if you want to use netinst cd
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11:28<epitaph>silver, trying to sell something to someone people who never asked about it is the bloody definition of spamming, go forth and multiply
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11:39<pgpkeys>ok, running lenny. when doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade most of the openoffice packages are being held back. how do I find out why? when I do a dpkg -l | grep openoffice I show ii as their flags. am I missing something?
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11:39<pgpkeys>or doing somthing incorrectly?
11:40<simonrvn>!held back
11:40<dpkg>i guess kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see Ask me about <dist-upgrade>.
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11:40<pgpkeys>thank you
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11:45<dooglus>what's going on here? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! // emacs22-el // Install these packages without verification [y/N]? n
11:45<dooglus>what might cause a package not to be authenticatable?
11:45<pgpkeys>!no public key
11:45<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at
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11:46<dooglus>I install things all the time, and only just saw this for the first time. I guess I have the Release file signing key already
11:47<pgpkeys>dooglus - that was for me. I'm sorry I should have done that in msg
11:47<dooglus>I just ran the exact same command again ("sudo apt-get install emacs22-el") and this time the warning didn't appear. odd.
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12:04<Zorro>Any musicians in here?
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12:06<Zorro>anyone know how to get rosegarden running properly?
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12:11<nickdaly>What sort of soundcard do you have?
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12:12<nickdaly>Zorro: Is it a real soundblaster-type soundcard, or some laptop soundcard
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12:14<nickdaly>zorro: Actually, I think the instructions are the same either way... Install qjackctl, qsynth, and download a soundfont (I recommend airfont 380 - google it)
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12:15<nickdaly>you'll also want to edit your /etc/security/limits.conf file:
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12:16<nickdaly># REALTIME support for audio group users
12:16<nickdaly>@audio - rtprio 90
12:16<nickdaly>@audio - nice -10
12:16<nickdaly>@audio - memlock 500000
12:16<nickdaly># memlock is in MB, change according to your ram availability
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12:24<ebzzry>How do I know if an Ubuntu .deb is safe to install on my Debian system? I want to use TrueCrypt ( for Linux but the only versions that are available are for OpenSuSE and Ubuntu.
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12:27<ebzzry>nvm. I found the answers by Googling. I found out about "Truecrypt Installer for Debian"
12:27<rumland>i have a tarball and an .asc file with the same name. how do i verify the first with the second?
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12:28<lenin>I do not understand, I installed all properly but plugins snow and Cude3D doesn't wokr
12:28<lenin>but I can see it in avaible plugin
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12:30<Nemoder>lenin: perhaps you don't have direct rendering working? glxinfo | grep direct
12:31<lenin>lenin@lenin:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
12:31<lenin>direct rendering: Yes
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12:33<lenin>some bugs or what?
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12:33<Nemoder>don't know, check your logs maybe there is an error
12:34<lenin>wich log?
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12:40<NinjaMan>hi - gnome -> nautilus -> Open with Other Application dialog -> Installed applications list : I have a lot of duplicate entries and I get an error saying "cannot run application.. text was empty ....." every time I select an entry
12:40<NinjaMan>does anyone know how I can edit / clean this list up?
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12:42<Nemoder>I believe custom entires are defined in ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
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12:49<NinjaMan>thanks Nemoder: I will take a look
12:49<abrotman>NinjaMan: or ask on
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13:02<NinjaMan>LOL now there is a good idea! thanks abrotman
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13:11<karpagam>hi i have just now installed debian 4.0 on my pc my ethernet card silan sc92031 is not detected how to configure?
13:14<karpagam>or are there special drivers that i should download?
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13:15<simonrvn>karpagam: google for it: "silan sc92031 linux driver"
13:16<karpagam>thanks i will try it
13:16<cyber>is ther a https web serch
13:17<simonrvn>cyber: for what?
13:17<cyber>i cant have http on my net
13:18<cyber>only ftp , mms https , pop
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13:19<cyber>this means no yotube google hotmail and so on
13:20<cyber>any help ???
13:21<epitaph>it depends on _why_ you have no http
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13:22<cyber>i get the net over a network it is in somehow blockt but I have no admin rigthts ther
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13:23<cyber>i can have nmap and the port is open
13:23<cyber>for http put no luck to get any site
13:24<epitaph>well, if the traffic from nmap reaches it, how is it that the traffic from a browser doesn't? Assuming you're nmapping from the same machine you want to use
13:25<cyber>this is the proplem i do not now
13:26<cyber>i can ping it
13:26<epitaph>which host?
13:26<epitaph>I mean, what site are you using to test?
13:26<epitaph>try: telnet 80
13:27<epitaph>see what that says
13:27<cyber>its trying
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13:28<cyber>get the ip but nothing a plinking curser
13:28<Supaplex>press enter a few times
13:28<epitaph>does it sam "Connected to ..."?
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13:29<cyber>says trying
13:29<cyber>no conection
13:29<epitaph>OK, well, yeah it looks like you're blocked then
13:29<epitaph>I don't understand how nmap got through though
13:30<cyber>can i get http over ftp
13:30<Supaplex>I think he meant 'or' ftp.
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13:31<cyber>like maybe a http adress ssh conection
13:31<simonrvn>nmap doesn't go through port 80 unless you want to try just that one port i.e., -p 80
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13:32<epitaph>right, but cyber says the port is open from nmap, so, well, I presume you tested the correct port, cyber?
13:32<simonrvn>obviously some dumbass blocked remote port 80 requests
13:32<epitaph>looks likely
13:32<Supaplex>cyber: who's the network admin?
13:32<epitaph>cyber, I can only suggest you get a better ISP. Sorry
13:33<cyber>i dit nmap -p get a warning ther are 3 ips and 80/tcp filtered http
13:33<Supaplex>quit using the school network for pr0n ;)
13:33<john>hai guys im john new to chat
13:33<Supaplex>cyber: guess what filtered means? :)
13:33<epitaph>cyber, yeah, filtered means you're filtered... you need to see "open" there
13:33<cyber>no http
13:33<erKURITA>I can smell ... Squid!
13:34<Supaplex>they smell about the same
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13:34<epitaph>well, address the issue about why your upstream network doesn't allow port 80 through - maybe you don't have permission?
13:34<cyber>thank you very mutch
13:35<epitaph>is OK
13:35<cyber>i not admin
13:35<Supaplex>then who is?
13:35<epitaph>yeah but presumably you have some sort of deal about using this connection
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13:36<cyber>can i use other ports for http
13:36<simonrvn>probably a) blocked port 80 requests so they have to use their proxy b) meant to block port 80 *to* hosts they serve for (i.e. disallow 'servers') but screwed up the filtering c) cyber set up a so-called firewall and forgot
13:36<epitaph>hm, well, the problem is, people don't do that as a rule
13:37*Supaplex calls +4487030004010 Synetrix Ltd Innovation Centre Keele Park Newcastle Under Lyme Staffordshire GB
13:37<epitaph>meaning use ports other than 80
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13:38<cyber>i am behind and have no acses to the dhcp server wher i conect to
13:39<Supaplex>cyber: Neil Tramaseur knows you?
13:39<Supaplex>he says get back to school
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13:39<cyber>how can i find the proxi
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13:40<epitaph>you appear to be behind a janet gateway
13:40<epitaph>does that sound right?
13:41<cyber>yes ther is a router a britge and some other stuff
13:41<Supaplex>amazing irc is permitted when http isn't. :)
13:41<cyber>i now what is the router and the britge , its myne but the rest
13:41<cyber>its some one els
13:42<epitaph>OK, are you trying to do something like set up a small local network behind a private ip issued by a college or similar?
13:42<cyber>yes ther isftp icq mms ssh
13:42<Supaplex>epitaph: abuse reports show that netblock is a school
13:42<NinjaMan>Nemoder I don't have ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list just a lot of .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/
13:42<epitaph>you seem to be behind the London hanet BAR
13:42<epitaph>Supaplex: ah, ta
13:42<NinjaMan>Neomoder - may bad I'm just blind
13:43<epitaph>the university may be acting as ISP, ours does up here in Lancaster
13:43<cyber>its the wifi singnal what i pick
13:43<epitaph>cyber if that is the case, basically I'm not gonna help you hack round their security... some of our best clients are academic and other government... ;)
13:44<cyber>i can have my emails and sudy stuff but no google
13:44<cyber>thanks no hacking
13:45<epitaph>I think it is likely you are supposed to have a login to their proxy, so you'd have to talk to your tutor or similar
13:45<simonrvn>if he even goes to that school, heh
13:45<Supaplex>cyber: clearly we can't help you based on the local network policy.
13:45<cyber>oh no brop you help a lot
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13:46<Supaplex>I'm sure Neil would agree :)
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14:38<cyber>is ther some sort of windows movimaker for debian etch
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14:39<tkoski>hi cyber: there is at least one called "open movie editor"
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14:40<cyber>i cant find it in apt
14:41<mahogny>hm. just trying it. yeaargh. non-standard GUI
14:41<tkoski>$ apt-cache search openmovieeditor
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14:42<tkoski>I'm sure there are some other similar
14:43<cyber>i will compine a sound and a video file
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14:43<cyber>is ther a comand line
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14:44<amphi>cyber: you can use mencoder for that
14:44<tkoski>cyber: or ffmpeg
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14:44<tkoski>cyber : (if i remembre right)
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14:45<cyber>i have mencoder , read the man and will see thanks
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14:47<eljefe>I just bought a new Radeon HD3450 card, but I don't know how to go about installing the driver, can anyone help?
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14:49<eljefe>my onboard is also an ATI chipset and it is running the fglrx driver; how do i add my new card in?
14:51<epitaph>I think the driver is redeonhd, at least for X, but I don't have one here so I can't be sure
14:52<amphi>cyber: the docs under /usr/share/doc may be more useful than the man page
14:53<eljefe>would i want to run aticonfig ?
14:53<epitaph>I don't know, sorry
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14:56<cyber>OK how can i read this
14:56<cyber>its .gz
14:57<eljefe>would i want to use 'ma a-i xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' or just apt-get it ?
14:57<epitaph>just apt-get as far as I know
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14:58<cyber>thank you
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14:59<amphi>cyber: you might want to install mplayer-doc
15:01<cyber>ok its doing it
15:01<cyber>how can i read it
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15:06<cyber>get it thanks
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15:17<Guest544>anyone alive out there?
15:17<eljefe>wow persistant
15:18<Guest544>oh hi im just playin around with vmware
15:18<eljefe>yep your network is working :)
15:18<Guest544>i didnt think anyone was using knoppix
15:18<cyber>yes the movi mixing is working thanks a lot
15:18<eljefe>this is #debian
15:18<Guest544>so any linux didtro right?
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15:19<eljefe>no; debian is a single disrto, although knoppix is based on it but it differs a lot. you won't get a lot of support for knoppix here, sorry. type /'join #knoppix' [enter]
15:20<eljefe>rather, type '/join #knoppix'
15:20<cyber>debian rocks
15:20<Guest544>i got ubuntu running too if thats the case
15:20<cyber>ubuntu rocks as well
15:21<Guest544>i hate compiz wont work in vmware tho
15:21<eljefe>same idea -- based on Debian but too different for support here. try #ubuntu
15:21<simonrvn>why would you want compiz to work in vmware...
15:21<erKURITA><cyber> ubuntu rocks as well <= *monocles*
15:22<Guest544>just to experiment with the 3d desktop environment
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15:23<cyber>what is *monocles*
15:23<eljefe>eye glass
15:23<Guest544>mr monopoly
15:23<cyber>ah get it
15:24<eljefe>if i kill X with [ctrl][alt][backspace] and it doesn't come up again; and then i fix xorg.conf; how do i get KDE to give me a login screen again?
15:24<cyber>my english is realy bad
15:24<eljefe>don't be
15:25<Guest544>any of u guys try this program called silverflux for linux its supposed to be a solution to the directx issue?
15:26<eljefe>never heard of it
15:26<cyber>open gl is good
15:27<Guest544>If it works microsoft might have some serious competetion since linux gui is so interactive
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15:28<Guest544>windows cant jiggle XD
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15:28<simonrvn>that's not interactivity, that's eye candy...
15:29<cyber>and takes a lot of memory
15:29<Guest544>i agree are u using compiz simon?
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15:29<simonrvn>not right now
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15:30<Guest544>i heard it strains ur video card alot
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15:37<donny>hi all. recently applied the latest Etch kernel update. now it seems my system doesn't recognize my CD drive (used to appear as /dev/cdrw; that node now does not exist, and when i insert an audio disc, a program doesn't run asking me what i want to do anymore)
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15:43*x1938-- is back!
15:43<x1938-->enouf : it didnt work :(
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15:45<x1938-->...i just compiled and installed kernel 2.6.27 but when its booting
15:45<x1938-->it cant access the root file sys
15:45<x1938-->what could cause this ?
15:46<x1938-->it just drops to a simple shell after that
15:46<x1938-->its telling me dev/hda5 doesnt exists.
15:49*x1938-- looks around :|
15:49<epitaph>I assume you checked that hda has a partition 5? ;)
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15:50<simonrvn>/dev/ and dev/ are different...
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15:50<epitaph>this is true, I was assuming that was a typo ;)
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15:51<x1938--> /dev/hda5 does exists but the new kernel cant access it
15:52<epitaph>is it a "bog standard" PATA disc?
15:52<simonrvn>probably missing support for your / fs, and/or your ide/sata bus
15:52<x1938-->whats that ?
15:52<x1938-->simonrvn i hope so.
15:52<epitaph>what type of disc is it?
15:53<x1938-->not sure
15:53<x1938-->its a laptop
15:53<epitaph>OK, well you'll have to find out because if it's SATA it'll appear as sda not hda
15:54<st>Hello, can anyone tell me how I can benchmark a wireless card in Debian? It's an RT2561/RT61, I had to install the firmware (since it was in non-free and thus wasn't build-in) and although i'm able to connect now the performance is very poor (e.g., connection stays at 1MB/s Bit Rate, and the signal quality randomly jumps between 25/100, 40/100, 50/100, and 95/100). How can I determine where the problem is coming from? Is there a way to test
15:54<st> a different driver (other than the one which is build into the kernel) or different firmware?
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15:55<x1938-->epitapg , its sda
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15:55<epitaph>you'll need to change the grub config, something like /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:57<x1938-->its root=/dev/sda5
15:58<epitaph>that should be OK
15:58<x1938-->the error must have been cant access sda5
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15:58<epitaph>in that case it looks like you're missing a driver
15:59<x1938-->enouf said : install generic.call_generic_ide=1
15:59<x1938-->but that cant be it :/
15:59<epitaph>yeah, but if it's SATA that won't help
15:59<epitaph>sec, I can't remember the driver name offhand
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15:59<enouf>and no
16:00<enouf>he never said anything about sata or pata
16:00<epitaph>yeah, if he said hda, it's a fair answer ;)
16:00<enouf>x1938--: which installer?
16:00<x1938-->thats true.
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16:01<x1938-->what do you mean installer ? installer of what ?
16:01<enouf>i ccan't be bothered to read up all that
16:01<enouf>which ISO
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16:01<kdas>greets to all
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16:02<x1938-->which distro you mean enouf ?
16:02<x1938-->debian 4.0
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16:02<kdas>with pxe i can install debian to a computer/device with out having to have keyboard/monitor hooked up to the guest(pxe) device ?
16:02<enouf>epitaph: he said nothing about /dev/name much earlier on when i suggested that boot option as a possibility after he peeped out two very uninformative lines
16:02<epitaph>fair enough
16:02<enouf>x1938--: try etchnhalf
16:03<enouf>x1938--: it's got a 26.24 kernel, will recognize newer hardware
16:03<enouf>erm 2.6.24
16:03<kdas>any one ?
16:04<x1938-->i wasnt blaming anything on you enouf.
16:04<epitaph>kdas, yes, but it ain't all that easy
16:04<enouf>x1938--: well, then say "enouf suggested briefly after i only mentioned ......."
16:04<enouf>x1938--: but no worries ;-)
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16:05<kdas>epitaph, why isn't it ? i mean can't i just ssh in some how ?
16:05<enouf>x1938--: it's happened where people mention something i said, but entirely out of context - it pisses me off
16:05<x1938-->i see
16:05<enouf>x1938--: honestly? i really don't give a shit about what others think
16:05<epitaph>kdas, sure, but you'll need to set up a boot environment via bootp or somesuch in order to get the installation system up
16:06<enouf>still, i was here to correct it this time ;-0 - again, no worries ;-)
16:06<x1938-->scroll up a bit , you'll see that you do
16:06<epitaph>enouf, from my side I didn;t read it as you were wrong, but as you didn't have enough info
16:07<vaib>Hi, i had compiled 2.6.27 . Now patch has come for it ( So can apply the patch in old already compiled build tree and compile it so that only new changes get to compile or should i build it from scratch ?
16:07<x1938-->the problem is that my sound device doesnt work correctly with acpi enabled
16:07<enouf>i know, i'm being defensive for no reason - i just felt like explaining - which is rare
16:07<x1938-->if acpi isnt off you cant hear any output
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16:08<kdas>epitaph, i have read manuals to get pxe up to server files over tftp but my question is: is it possible to access/install those files automatically/over ssh/telent ?
16:08*epitaph makes everyone a nice cup of hot cocoa. Now wouldn't it be easier if we all sit down and talk about our feelings? :p
16:08<st>Hello. Can anyone help me get a RT2561/RT61 wireless card working in Debian?
16:08<kdas>epitaph, my client is a screenless/keyboardless device
16:08*enouf whips it out and says; "Here - speak into the mic"
16:08*enouf hides
16:08<kdas>st, state the problem!
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16:09<dpkg>You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>.. See
16:09*enouf enjoys the cocoa, nonetheless
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16:09*enouf enjoys "cocoa", nonetheless :-P
16:09<enouf>she's a hottie O_O
16:09<st>I installed the firmware. The signal quality fluctuates between 25/100, 50/100 and 90/100 and the bit rate never goes above 1MB/s. In short, it's unstable.
16:09<epitaph>only one cup between the two of you... :p
16:09<enouf>ok .. me goes for a while - apologies
16:09*x1938-- gets pissed off when things work on ubuntu but not on debian :(
16:10<ManyX>I am first time on this server
16:10<enouf>x1938--: try lenny
16:10<enouf>!tell x1938-- -about ig
16:10<epitaph>kdas, what you need to do is get it to boot using the "thin client" style which is what you read about: dhcp, bootp, tftp, yeah?
16:10<ManyX>I search healp witch debian adm64 and wine
16:10<enouf>x1938--: follow the last URL
16:10<x1938-->no ty
16:10<st>kdas: I installed the firmware. The signal quality fluctuates between 25/100, 50/100 and 90/100 and the bit rate never goes above 1MB/s. In short, it's unstable.
16:10<epitaph>once that is up, assuming you got it set up right, you can ssh in and install from there
16:10<epitaph>kdas ^^
16:11<enouf>x1938--: or, try the etchnhalf "Daily"
16:11<x1938-->im on stable :S
16:11<enouf>it uses the same installer, but a .24 rather than a .26
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16:11<enouf>you're not on anything
16:11<enouf>except drugs
16:12<kdas>epitaph, what files do i need to serve to client to access via ssh ? or is it that it temporary sets up a ssh server for me to install access the HD etc?
16:12<enouf>x1938--: listen man, just read a lot - i gotta go ..
16:12<enouf>good luck
16:12<x1938-->thx mate.
16:12<epitaph>kdas, what you'll need to do is use debootstrap to set up an environment for your new system on some current server, which you'll make accessible via NFS
16:13<epitaph>kdas, then you serve out the kernel to it, with the NFS boot info in there, via tftp
16:13<epitaph>that gets you your install environment
16:13<epitaph>then ssh in, and use debootstrap again to install onto the target system's discs
16:14<epitaph>it's a little involved...
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16:17<st>No one knows anything about wireless card devices? Here's my question again: I installed the firmware. The signal quality fluctuates between 25/100, 50/100 and 90/100 and the bit rate never goes above 1MB/s. In short, it's unstable.
16:17<ManyX>why when I do this apt-get install wine and I try start wine a get this -bash: /usr/bin/wine: cannot execute binary file
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16:20<cyber>wifi is tricky on debian
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16:20<cyber>i have madwif not conecting to enything
16:20<st>cyber: It's shitty.
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16:21<epitaph>sadly that's the case with linux generally. I could suggest you try the ndiswrapper approach, I've not experience with that card but it might be worth a shot
16:21<st>cyber: Apparently there's no one that knows how to get this stuff to work, although there are drivers made by RaLink for linux!
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16:22<st>I mean, isn't there any documentation on this issue?
16:22<cyber>ah ralink is good have one working
16:22<st>Yeah that's the card I have... Just like I said, it's an RT26/RT2651.
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16:23<epitaph>st, here's some info from ubuntu; debian should be something similar:
16:25<cyber>i have rtl8180
16:26<ranix>st: a lot of us know a lot about wireless card drivers
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16:26<ranix>st: but unfortunately, linux support for wireless cards is poor. In fact, so is windows support
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16:26<ranix>st: ndiswrapper is not helping much
16:27<adb>given a have a partition ID=63 (hurd or sysV), what is the type used for mount ?
16:27<ranix>st: the easiest thing to do is figure out the native driver for your card. If there is no native driver, put it in a drawer or return it. Then, buy one that doesn't suck
16:27<st>How do I figure out what the native driver is?
16:27<epitaph>adb, it depends on the filesystem on there, which isn't effected by the partition type
16:27<st>ranix: How do I figure out what the native driver is?
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16:28<adb>epitaph: it is a sco OS in ...
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16:28<ranix>st: google the card, find the manufacturer's webpage, download a linux driver. in lieu of that, find the chipset and get a driver for the chipset from the chip manufacturer
16:28<Trice>Hey, Wondering if, someone gets a chance they could give me a hand on a problem i'm having due to my own stupidity with apache2
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16:28<st>ranix: What about the drivers that are built into the kernel? Are they no good?
16:29<ranix>st: if there are drivers built into the kernel, use them
16:29<epitaph>adb, try sys5fs or bfs at a bit of a guess
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16:29<st>ranix: And if I should have problems with those drivers?
16:29<adb>epitaph: thx, i'll try
16:30<ranix>st: what kind of problems
16:30<simonrvn>be better if they used the in-kernel driver
16:30<simonrvn>if there is any
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16:30<st>ranix: The bit rate won't go above 1MB/s, and the signal quality randomly jumps between 25/100, 40/100, and 90/100---in short, it's very unstable.
16:31<ranix>st: did you google your problem? it is unlikely nobody has run into this before if there are native drivers for that card
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16:31<ranix>st: and it is really a driver problem
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16:32<Trice>i have installed apache2, but without making backups, i edited a config file which i then couldnt put back.. in an attempt to reinstall, i have removed all files i knew that apache related files were in, went to apt-get a new copy of apache2, but it still tells me it's installed, any idea how i can properly remove apache2 to reinstall it?
16:32<st>ranix: I've been on google for hours, yet have found no resolution or forum topics discussing thereon.
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16:32<epitaph>a quick search reveals many people complain about that card, but no real solutions... :(
16:32<ManyX>can some body help with debian amd64 and wine
16:32<ranix>st: what debian version are you using
16:33<ranix>st: sarge, etch, lenny, etc
16:33<st>epitaph: A quick search reveals many people complaining about every card!
16:33<st>ranix: I'm using Lenny...
16:33<epitaph>Trice, apt-get --reinstall install apache2
16:33<ranix>st: did you check the manufacturer website
16:33<epitaph>Trice, you might need to do some of the depends too, YMMV ;)
16:34<st>ranix: for what? Their website has their linux drivers on it, but I wouldn't know what to do with them if I downloaded them. (again, I've not found any documentation on how to deal with wireless devices)
16:34<ranix>st: download them and then read the readme contained therein I suggest
16:34<Trice>epitaph: it doesnt reinstall it, none of the files i stupidly deleted return there.
16:34<ranix>st: mind the gap
16:35<phillipsjk>I was trying to use 'wireshark' to traoubleshoot my mail confguration, but now I have more questions than answers. I seems my computer acknowledged a future packet. Upon further examination, I noticed some other Frames were listed out-of order (time-wise) by wire shark. BUg? Design? Which part of the software stack?
16:35<st>ranix: I don't understand what you mean by "mind the gap." Could you explain?
16:36<Trice>epitaph: mind if i pm you to avoid confusion?
16:36<st>ranix: Do you think this problem could be firmware-related? As the firmware wasn't included int he kernel... I had to download it.
16:36<epitaph>Trice, go for it
16:36<epitaph>st, you're right about every wireless card. Sad to say
16:36<ranix>st: it is a warning issued by the london rapid transit system to warn passengers of the sometimes significant gap between the cars and platforms
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16:37<ranix>st: I'm hinting that you are about to embark upon a journey
16:37<st>ranix: I know that... but I don't see how that relates...
16:37<st>OH! I understand now.
16:37<st>Is it still a woman's voice that says that (e.g., mind the gap)?
16:37<adb>sorry, mount say it's not bfs , and sys5fs is'not know as fs
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16:37<st>It's been a while since I've been to England.
16:37<ranix>I have never bee to england
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16:39<Trice>England isnt interesting
16:40<ranix>it's a little '80s for me
16:40<ranix>84 actually
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16:40<TheKing>Where does libcurl normally install to
16:41<ManyX>I need help with debian amd64 and wine
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16:42<padski>TheKing, apt-file list libcurl
16:43<TheKing>Cmd not found.
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16:44<adb>apt-get install apt-file
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17:00<cyber>what is cmd
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17:02<cyber>apt-cache gifs a lot of difrend stuff
17:02<TheKing>How would I make a cron job
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17:02<TheKing>to scp a file to somebody every 5 minutes
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17:07<phillipsjk>I now have a screenshot of my problem at
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17:08<phillipsjk>Frame 76 appears to acknowledge frame 79.
17:08<Lethalman>can you check the gnome appearance and tell me if you can see the "example icon" of the themes?
17:08<Lethalman>opening "customize"
17:08<Lethalman>I get a "question mark icon" for standard themes, while extra themes are right
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17:16<TheKing>Okay, another question
17:17<TheKing>How do you change ownership of a folder and all of its subfolders and files to another user
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17:17<TheKing>..what cmd
17:17<TheKing>The full cmd
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17:18<oipunx>i'm trying to use kvm
17:18<oipunx>and i do the kvm -m 1024 etc...
17:18<oipunx>and it says cant open /dev/kvm: permission denied
17:18<oipunx>how do i give permission?
17:19<oipunx>or should i run it as root?
17:19<stucke>Hello, I'm trying to build a wireless card driver on Debian (it's the RT61 RALINK driver) but I'm getting this error when I follow the readme instructions that say to run "make config": "make;***No rule to make target 'config'. Stop." Could anyone offer me some help with this?
17:20<phillipsjk>TheKing try the -R option described by "man chown" (recursive)
17:20<TheKing>got it ty
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17:23<ManyX>I need help with debian amd64 and wine I get htis :-bash: /usr/bin/wine: cannot execute binary file
17:23<phillipsjk>stucke are you in the right directory? ('pwd' will tell you) The rules are described in a 'Makefile'
17:24<stucke>Yes I'm in the right directory... I got it working now, but now it's saying it can't find the linux kernel headers/linux kernel source
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17:25<stucke>phillipsjk: Is "linux-kernel-headers" the same thing as "linux-kernel-source?"
17:25<stucke>Damn it
17:25<stucke>What's the difference/
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17:26<stucke>And how do I get "linux kernel source" in it's proper place so that this stupid wireless card driver can build?
17:26<cyber>kernel is the kern and header are libraris for compiling
17:26<phillipsjk>stucke no. kernel headers have eough of the kernel source to compile independent programs against. I don't know if they work for modules.
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17:27<stucke>cyber: That doesn't help me very much. What's "the kern" and what are "libraries for compiling?"
17:27<blueeyez>does any one in here know a good program to extract files?
17:27<erKURITA>cyber wrong
17:28<phillipsjk>blueeyez, depends on the container format.
17:28<stucke>Can someone just tell me how I can install kernel source?
17:28<stucke>Or does no one know?
17:28<blueeyez>iso, img, rar, zip just like winrar
17:29<erKURITA>linux-kernel-headers are just the headers and libraries used to link when compiling. The linux-kernel-source is the full source package. You usually need the headers to create modules and compile stuff which requires kernel functions
17:29<mahogny>blueeyez, that would be something like the gnome file roller but the command line tools are different for each format
17:29<erKURITA>stucke by convention, you should symlink the headers folder to /usr/src/linux
17:29<stucke>erKURITA, so I "apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26-1-powerpc", and then how do I make a symlink?
17:30<blueeyez>do you know a program that dosent need the terminal?:I
17:30<erKURITA>ln -s
17:30<erKURITA>blueeyez hardly
17:30<stucke>that's it? Just type ln -s?
17:30<erKURITA>ln -s is the program, so to speak
17:30<erKURITA>you need the arguments afterwards
17:30<mahogny>blueeyez, my repository lists "file-roller"
17:31<upsilon>blueeyez: xarchiver
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17:32<erKURITA>man ln for more info
17:32<stucke>erKURITA: I don't understand how to use this program. Could you give me an example of how would one could properly use this program in this case, e.g, to create symlink in accord with convention between the linux-kernel-headers and 'usr/src/linux?'
17:33<blueeyez>oka, installing now;)
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17:34<erKURITA>stucke ln -s directory symlink
17:34<cyber>ln -st
17:34<stucke>erKURITA: And which one is "the directory" I mean there's linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common, linux-headers-2.6.26-1-powerpc, and linux-kbuild-2.6.26
17:35<stucke>Which one of those are suppose to be "the directory", the directory that is, that should be symlinked
17:35<cyber>uname -r
17:35<erKURITA>stucke, I suggest you read the man page
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17:35<cyber>tipe uname -r
17:35<stucke>erKURITA: I just read the man page, it doesn't say anything about which one of those three different folders I should use.
17:36<cyber>you need the same number for the kernel
17:36<stucke>Thanks cyber.
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17:38<phillipsjk>riiped from man page: "ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY (3rd form)" ln -s /usr/src/linux/target /usr/local/whereever (I use the bloated 'mc' (file manager) for that kind of thing)
17:38<stucke>cyber, erKURITA: Okay I did that, but I'm still getting the same error, e.g, make: *** No rule to make target `config'. Stop.
17:38<erKURITA>then probably you don't have a config option
17:38<stucke>erKURITA: What do you mean?
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17:39<stucke>the README doesn't give one (erKURITA)
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17:39<stucke>erKURITA: It just lists "make config"
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17:39<mickiewicz>Dobry wieczor.
17:39<erKURITA>do you even have a Makefile ?
17:40<stucke>erKURITA: Yes I have Makefile, Makefile.4, and Makefile.6
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17:40<erKURITA>what the
17:40<erKURITA>type make
17:40<stucke>As I understand it, Makefile.4 and Makefile.6 are for kernel 4 and kernel 6 respectively.
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17:41<stucke>it says... make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build SUBDIRS=/home/stuckey/downloads/2008_0723_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.2/Module modules
17:41<stucke>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
17:41<stucke>make: *** [all] Error 2
17:42<erKURITA>that's beyond my knowledge.
17:42<erKURITA>Try asking in the RaLink forums
17:43<mickiewicz>I'm looking for help with installing GRUB on RAID0.
17:44<cyber>i dit it on time I hate to go to the source dir and make samsing like xconfig
17:44<mickiewicz>Anybody can help?
17:44<erKURITA>uhm, I once installed Debian under a RAID1
17:44<cyber>stuck : i dit it on time I hate to go to the source dir and make samsing like xconfig
17:44<mickiewicz>erKURITA Any problems with GRUB?
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17:45<erKURITA>it booted fine
17:45<erKURITA> <= this is what I used
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17:45<stucke>erKURITA: What about this error, do you know how to fix this?make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
17:45<erKURITA>nope, sorry.
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17:46<mickiewicz>Do you think procedurs are similar to RAID 0?
17:46<Nemoder>stucke: build should be a symlink to your kernel's source/headers
17:47<erKURITA>Probably not
17:47<stucke>Nemoder: I'm a bit confused... What exactly do you mean for me to do?
17:47<Nemoder>I just joined, I don't know what you're trying to do.
17:48<Nemoder>just pointing out what that file should be
17:48<stucke>Nemoder: I'm trying to install the RaLink RT2561/RT61 drivers, as I'm having trouble with the ones that are built into the kernel.
17:48<stucke>I'm going by the readme file that was included the the drivers I dowlnoaded off of RaLink's website for this piece of hardware.
17:49<Nemoder>stucke: try installing the linux-headers* package that matches your kernel version
17:50<stucke>Nemoder: Okay I just did that.
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17:50<stucke>And I made the symlink to /usr/src/linux like the other guy said.
17:50<stucke>but when I run "make config" I get this error: make: *** No rule to make target `config'. Stop.
17:50<Nemoder>is there a ./configure script?
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17:51<stucke>yes... I should run that?
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17:51<Nemoder>ya do that in place of make config
17:51<stucke>Okay i ran it, and now its asking for the Linux kernel source directory... what do I put in?
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17:53<Nemoder>stucke: what is in /usr/src/linux ?
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17:54<stucke>Nemoder: It's like arch, block, crypto, etc.
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17:54<stucke>That's the symlink I made...
17:54<Nemoder>ok if it has the headers in there then that should be what it wants
17:54<stucke>okay so I hit enter
17:55<Snuffpig>Might I ask a question? Currently I'm using Lenny and in synaptic it appears that there is no changelog available from the repositories for major packages like openoffice, the linux kernel and xorg. Is there a problem somewhere?
17:55<stucke>Now it says, it set the directory to there... and it says Module install directory: /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net
17:55<stucke>So now I should run make? Nemoder
17:56<Nemoder>Snuffpig: lenny is still in development, but you can usually find a changelog in /usr/share/doc/package/
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17:57<Nemoder>stucke: ln -s /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build
17:57<Snuffpig>Nemoder: I forgot about doing a manual check for that, I'll go do that now, ty :)
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17:58<Nemoder>I don't know what to tell you there.. maybe the driver isn't compatible with powerpc?
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17:59<stucke>I'm about to throw this damn powerpc out the window.
17:59<mickiewicz>Calm down. ;]
17:59<Nemoder>stucke: try running ./configure again
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18:00<Nemoder>the configure script creates the Makefile so maybe it needs updating after the build link was made
18:02<stucke>Nemoder: Same thing.
18:02<Nemoder>bummer :(
18:02<stucke>Is the rt61 driver that was part of the rt200* project working with PowerPC?
18:02<stucke>What are my options here?
18:03<Nemoder>email ralink?
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18:03<cyber>take a linux suportet cart
18:04<Luciano>hello, i cannot download gcc
18:04<Nemoder>Luciano: why not?
18:04<stucke>cyber: I think this would qualify as a linux supported card...
18:05<Luciano>i get a dependency error
18:05<stucke>cyber: Given that RaLink has an opensource driver available for it... and that there's also an driver built into the linux kernel...
18:05<enouf>what friggin channel am i in?
18:05<enouf>ahh.. #debian
18:05<Luciano>++: Depende: g++-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) pero no va a instalarse
18:05<Luciano>E: Paquetes rotos
18:06<cyber>ther are some driver somtims not working
18:06<enouf>Luciano: "LANG=C command ... " to obtain ewnglish output
18:06<Luciano>do u wineed me to ranslate that?
18:06<cyber>sorry i was ther and i tracht a pc out
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18:07<Luciano>++: Depends on: g++-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) but it will not be installed
18:07<Luciano>E: Broken packages
18:08<Nemoder>Luciano: what version of debian and what command did you run to install it?
18:08<enouf>apt-get install -f Luciano
18:08<cyber>ther is a rtl8180 is working
18:08<cyber>for me
18:08<Luciano>sudo apt-get isntall gcc
18:08<Luciano>sudo apt-get isntall g++
18:09<enouf>install b-e
18:09<dpkg>rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
18:09<Nemoder>Luciano: try aptitude install gcc g++
18:09<Luciano>ok, just a sec
18:09<cyber>rt 200* i have not driet jet
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18:09<Luciano>regarding the wireless drivers issue, i have an rtl8180 and it works
18:10<Nemoder>on powerpc?
18:10<cyber>I have a amd sony vayo
18:10<Luciano>and the wireless is not working?
18:11<cyber>no it works
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18:11<phillipsjk>stucke: but just think you will have an island of refuge when the cross-platform warm coded in X86 assembly hits. :) (I need to build my own boot floopy to use mine)
18:11<cyber>stuck hat the problems on the power pc
18:13*enouf hugs his worm driven machines
18:13<erKURITA><Luciano> regarding the wireless drivers issue, i have an rtl8180 and it works <= I went through hell to get my RTL8187 working....
18:13<enouf>there are no worm driven computers
18:13<enouf>it's a fallacy
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18:13<Luciano>i only had to download ndiswrapper
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18:14<Luciano>it detected the drivers i had for windows in a sec and then it worked smooth
18:14<Luciano>which problems did u have?
18:15<cyber>i testet 3 diferent ones and it workd just whith diferent kernels
18:15<cyber>but now it is ok
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18:17<erKURITA>Luciano ndiswrapper didn't work, the modules circling the internet didn't compile and the current kernel's modules didn't work
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18:18<cyber>i use rt2x00 llegacy driver now
18:18<erKURITA>so, after searching, I found that the 2.6.27 has proper/experimental support for the 8187
18:18<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny., #madwifi @
18:18<Luciano><erKURITA> you had the windows drivers for the wireless?
18:18<enouf>!serial monkey
18:18<erKURITA>yes, but those were for Vista 32-bits
18:18<enouf>oh well
18:19<erKURITA>I have an amd64 installation
18:19<erKURITA>and WinXP 64-bits drivers didn't work
18:19<Luciano>and you were unable to get 64bits drivers?
18:19<erKURITA>working, no
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18:20<Luciano>ok, now that's complicated
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18:20<Luciano>i have a 32 bit isntallation and drivers worked great
18:20<Snuffpig>is there a timeframe for pushing KDE 4 into sid?
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18:22<Snuffpig>/m test
18:24<Luciano>any way to erase non used packages or those packaged downloaded and never installed??
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18:25<cyber>apt-get clean ore apt-get autoclen
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18:25<cyber>deselect maybe
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18:26<Luciano>i cannot install synaptic
18:27<Luciano>everytime i try i get an error
18:27<cyber>what is the error
18:27<Luciano>checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
18:28<simonrvn>configure ? why are you building it?
18:28<Luciano>yes, i downloaded it
18:28<Luciano>apt-get will not work
18:28<simonrvn>then fix that
18:29<simonrvn>that's not a good solution, it just compounds the problem
18:29<Luciano>it has a lot of dependecies broken
18:29<simonrvn>then fix it
18:29<Luciano>and when i fix them i keep on finding broken ones
18:29<simonrvn>what does apt-get -f install do?
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18:31<simonrvn>that's not what it says. pastebin it. have you updated recently?
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18:31<Luciano>yes, thousands of times
18:32<Luciano>now i have an issue with xmlto
18:33<Luciano>do i keep updating till i get to install it?
18:33<simonrvn>no, do what i asked
18:33<Luciano>my sistem is in spanish
18:33<simonrvn>so do LANG=C apt-get -f install
18:34<enouf>i told him that hours ago ... sigh
18:34<enouf>well,, it feels like hours :-P
18:34<simonrvn>half-hour ago
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18:35<Luciano>0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 1 no actualizados.
18:35<simonrvn>.:18:08:07:. < enouf> apt-get install -f Luciano
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18:35<simonrvn>you haven't pastebinned it, have you
18:35*roo scratches head
18:35<enouf>close enough for gubment work :0
18:35<simonrvn>fuck it
18:35<Luciano>yes i did, but is still in spanish
18:36<simonrvn>so do LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
18:37<Luciano>Reading package lists... Done
18:37<Luciano>Building dependency tree
18:37<Luciano>Reading state information... Done
18:37<Luciano>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
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18:37<enouf>that's yoobooboo
18:37<Luciano>i did
18:37<simonrvn>you pasted in the channel
18:37<Luciano>now i get it
18:37<simonrvn>and we need more than that
18:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:38<enouf>!spank Luciano
18:38*dpkg bends Luciano over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
18:38-!-roo is now known as ram
18:38<Luciano>i am new guys
18:38*enouf follows simonrvn
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18:40<Luciano>was it usefull?
18:40<simonrvn>i'll check it when i come back. ty.
18:41<simonrvn>in the meantime, hopefully someone can help you
18:41<simonrvn>need more
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18:41<simonrvn>do dpkg --audit
18:41<simonrvn>and pastebin that
18:41<Luciano>nothing happened at all
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18:44<Crud>haha ram, your a total cock
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18:46<ram>u what?
18:46<ram>im a cock?
18:46<ram>whos a cock?
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18:46*ram smacks crud
18:46<Crud>I installed debian
18:47<ram>good for you
18:47<Crud>on my microwave
18:47<cyber>i did it to
18:47<cyber>on a tv
18:47*ram kicks Crud in the balls
18:47<cyber>ha ha
18:47<Crud>it won't cook for under 1 min now though
18:47<cyber>oh souns good
18:47<Crud>might give ubuntu a try as it should support newer hardware
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18:48<ram>try netbsd
18:48<ram>installs on anything
18:48<aenzient>greets all
18:48<cyber>may be it starts washing
18:48<Crud>I want it to run
18:48<cyber>to wher
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18:49<ram>what kind of name is crud
18:49<Crud>what kind of name is ram?
18:50<cyber>what is a name
18:50<Luciano>i cannot install synaptic
18:50<ram>a name is a name
18:50<Crud>Lucinano just install shitbuntu
18:50<ram>given by you mum
18:50<Crud>you sound like a n00b so, you never know
18:51<cyber>what says aptitude
18:51<aenzient>Quick question: Is it preferred to stick etch packages (even if out of date) rather than compile newer version from source? What kind of problems there could be when building from source?
18:51<Luciano>are taking it against me???
18:51<ram>so that when she wants to mate, she make call your name out
18:51<Crud>aenzient, well you could waste time wanking for one
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18:51<Crud>second why install from source when you can get .debs?
18:52<aenzient>well, i'd like 1.0 over 0.9-14 of fluxbox
18:52<aenzient>thats why
18:52<ram>so do it
18:52<avu>but fluxbox 1.1.1 is in debian?
18:53<aenzient>I intend to, but was wondering if I could expect some problems........
18:53<Crud>you can
18:53<aenzient>O, well I'll give it a try
18:53<avu>as I said: 1.1.1 is in debian. :-)
18:53<ram>havent u just answered your own question
18:53<Crud>for one you could fuck up x server and need to reinstall
18:53<Crud>just use gnome
18:54<aenzient>gnome is cool, just want to try something new :)
18:54<Crud>windows vista?
18:54<avu>use awesome. or wmii. or xmonad.
18:54<ram>penis gets shorter
18:55<avu>you know, something that really uses different concepts. fluxbox and metacity are basically the same thing.
18:55<ram>just an inch everytime u try
18:55<simonrvn>Luciano: so wtf is going on then, when you try to install synpatic from debian?
18:55<ram>gnome is not cool
18:55<ram>its shit
18:55<ram>thats better
18:55<Luciano>that is what i get
18:56<simonrvn>FROM DEBIAN
18:56<cyber>i used dos
18:56<ram>are u trying to do?
18:56<ram>thats irc
18:56<ram>not ur console
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18:56<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on
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18:56<Crud>freenode is full of n00bs
18:56<avu>dpkg, offtopix =~ s/on
18:56<dpkg>avu: i didn't have anything called 'offtopix' to modify
18:57<avu>dpkg, offtopic =~ s/on
18:57<dpkg>avu: OK
18:57<ram>so is #debian
18:57*simonrvn scans the room...
18:57<ram>love it
18:57<ram>"off topic"
18:57<Crud>me too
18:57<erKURITA>using a clone to talk is probably one of the lamest things ever
18:57<ram>sends him to freenode
18:57<Crud>where's the hot sex room?
18:57<simonrvn>nothing but newbies talking here, except for avu and myself, here
18:58*ram points to the big #FREENODE sign
18:58<Crud>simonrvn, don't flatter yourself
18:58<ram>next door
18:58<ram>im not a N00B
18:58<simonrvn>just the truth
18:58<Luciano><simonrvn> any idea?
18:58<Crud>simonrvn, I wouldn't call you a newb but more n00b
18:58<ram>im 1337 H4X0R
18:59<ram>my H4x0r-ing skills are mad
18:59<erKURITA>oh well, meanwhile the mods pop in
18:59<cyber>i am a noob and get a lot helb her thanks
18:59<ram>bung it in the microware
18:59<simonrvn>Luciano: i'm not dealing with your build of synaptic, i'm only going to deal with the debian one
18:59<ram>cos u are
18:59<Crud>ram can use cmd in ms windows
18:59<Crud>fcking cock sucking 8 year olds
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19:00<Crud>Luciano, the debian devs discovered pr0n and thus no updates, may as well go to ubuntu
19:00<simonrvn>Crud: how about you shut your trap for once?
19:00<Luciano>i don't get what u r telling me
19:00<Crud>ubuntu devs too young for pron
19:00<Crud>oh and simonrvn
19:00<avu>don't feed the trolls :(
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19:00<Crud>his little pre-teen panties are getting knotted again
19:01<Crud>Luciano, n00buntu ftw
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19:01<Luciano>crud, so you r treating me like a n00b
19:01<simonrvn>Luciano: installing synaptic from debian... you know, a *package*
19:01<ram>yea the ubuntu devs have yet to go through puberty
19:01<erKURITA>ah, far better
19:01<ram>the ubuntu team has no pubes yet
19:02<Crud>Luciano, nope, are you a n00b?
19:02<ram>so therefor they can have more time
19:02<erKURITA>less cluttered
19:02<ram>meatspin anyone?
19:02<Luciano>yes i am
19:02<ram>hes just kidding with ya
19:02<ram>honestly tho
19:02<ram>the ubuntu devs have yet to go through puberty
19:02<Luciano>and u where also, didn't u¡
19:02<ram>id go with them
19:02*ram looks innocently
19:02<simonrvn>Luciano: now i'm the one not understanding
19:02<Luciano>tell me
19:02<Crud>yeah simonrvn is pre-teen too
19:02<avu>simonrvn, he's talking to the trolls you have on ignore
19:02<simonrvn>aptitude install synaptic
19:03<simonrvn>ah ok
19:03<ram>whos ignoring who?
19:03<Crud>aptitude install windows-vista
19:03<simonrvn>!ops Crud and ram trolling
19:03<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Crud and ram trolling
19:03<ram>thats not nice
19:03<Luciano>i use vista also
19:03<Crud>!ops simonrvn IM abuse
19:03<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: crud complains about: simonrvn IM abuse
19:04-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
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19:04<simonrvn>of course, they make stuff up
19:04<erKURITA>oh yeah
19:04-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Rodger@*] by Ganneff
19:04<simonrvn>thank you Ganneff
19:04<erKURITA>Thanks Ganneff
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19:05<simonrvn>Luciano: so is it installed the way i said?
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19:05<aenzient>ok done, x not crashed so far atleast :p
19:06<Luciano>still on it
19:06<Luciano>hold on please
19:06<simonrvn>you on dialup?
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19:06<Luciano>no, but on a shared network
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19:06<simonrvn>ah ok
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19:08<Luciano>it worked, u rock
19:08<simonrvn>cool. i'd suggest using aptitude, it has better dep management. you're welcome
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19:10<Toad>if you want up to date packages to be honest you are better with ubuntu
19:11<simonrvn>Ganneff: Toad ^^^
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19:12-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Jeff@*] by Ganneff
19:12<witte>Toad: debian packages are up to date as well
19:12-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Peter@*] by Ganneff
19:12-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*Jeff@*] by Ganneff
19:13<@Ganneff>Toad: you are wrong here.
19:14<witte>Toad: but debian uses a different definition of suitable packages for the main distribution than ubuntu does, but that is because they are different...
19:14<Toad>sorry, just when I tried debian the packages were out of date or somewhat behind ubuntu
19:14<cyber>debian rocks
19:15<witte>Toad: debian stable packages are older, but that is because they must be stable (== must be good enough to run on a server for a few years)
19:15<dpkg>sns syndrome is probably a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
19:15<witte>Toad: but the debian equivalent of ubuntu exists as well, it is called debian testing or even debian unstable (not suitable for newbies though)
19:16<Toad>witte, I see, I might give it a shot sometime :-)
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19:33<not_route>um, i'm not sure what the ip of the router my computer is connected to is and i don't have any documentation for it. dhclient is returning a message that it's not receiv ing any DHCPOFFERS. not sure what to try next. any suggestions?
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19:35<Nemoder>not_route: are you connected to your router from a different computer right now?
19:35<Nemoder>what OS?
19:35<not_route>debian etch
19:36<Nemoder>/sbin/ifconfig should tell you the gateway ip
19:36<phillipsjk>not_route, without a DHCP offer, your computer many not have an IP address.
19:36<not_route>i don't have an ip address
19:37<not_route>ifconfig confirms this
19:37<Nemoder>not_route: I meant, use the machine you are on now to determine the router ip
19:37<not_route>the machine i am on now is not connected to the router.
19:37<phillipsjk>not_route, Nemoder means find the gateway for the compter you are using to talk :)
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19:38<not_route>oh. two different setups. they are not connected
19:38<not_route>i have two computers connected to the router and neither can get an ip from it.
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19:39<Nemoder>what is the make and model of the router?
19:41<phillipsjk>not_route, Are you allowed to "reset" the router? most the consumer ones give out DHCP addresses on the wired LAN by default. by
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19:42<phillipsjk>If you have one of the PCs hooked up to the uplink port with a straight-through cable, that can cause problems as well.
19:43<not_route>just a sec
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19:45<no_route>what were you saying
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19:47<phillipsjk>If you use the wrong "flavour" of ethernet cable^H^H^H^H^H port, you can short out the tranciever. You can only plug one computer into any "shared" uplink/normal port.
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19:48<no_route>how could you plug more that one computer into one port?
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19:49<phillipsjk>Some times to save money, the port next to the "uplink" port uses the same tranciever.
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19:50<phillipsjk>I guess
19:50<no_route>is what you are describing permanent damage?
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19:51<no_route>i'm assuming it's defective if it won't reply to a dhcp request
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19:52<phillipsjk>I may be wrong. I was initially saying the wrong cable could do that, but I corrected myself. The share port may only be a problem on (layer 2) switches.
19:53<phillipsjk>Do you see a reset button on the router?
19:53<no_route>nope. there isn't one.
19:53<phillipsjk>It may in in a pinhole.
19:53<no_route>checked several times
19:53<phillipsjk><Nemoder> what is the make and model of the router?
19:54<no_route>it' s been unplugged for weeks anyway
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19:59<no_route>hmm. looks like it's a apple product
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20:00<no_route>yeah. i've tried that ip several times. it does not bring up anything
20:01<no_route>there is nothing at that address
20:01<Nemoder>there is no model number on the device?
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20:14<phillipsjk>" On the rear of the router, there is a *reset* switch, power connector, WAN port, and four LAN ports." -http//
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20:16<phillipsjk>With Non-volitile memory, leaving it unplugged doesn't do much.
20:16<phillipsjk>I hate it what that happens.
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20:59<draemon>having real trouble getting debian installer to detect the netraid controller in my HP LC2000
21:00<draemon>I get a lot of lines which look like this:
21:00<draemon>megaraid mbox: Wait for 2 commands to complete:175
21:01<draemon>and before that: aborting-102 cmd=28 <c=1 t=0 l=0>
21:01<draemon>any ideas?
21:02<draemon>FreeBSD "just works" - and apparently the drivers share code so I dunno what's up
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21:20<simonrvn>share code doesn't always mean *all* code ;)
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22:03<draemon>no, I realise that - I just mean it's not as if no-one has got this card working or anything
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22:16<dannys>why ceni it's not on repos?
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22:17<abrotman>dannys: you didn't package it yet?
22:17<dannys>i download from sidux repos copy to usb and install to my deb machine
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22:19<abrotman>sidux has its own channel .. #sidux
22:20<dannys>yes but in debian repos i can't find ceni
22:20<dannys>thanx for your time
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22:22<abrotman>!tell dannys about rfp
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22:41<Kraze>I did a cp /dev/null >/dev and all sorts of things don't work. how can I fix it?
22:41<krs>hi, I set up debian on a laptop. now i installed kde-desktop and xserver-xorg. how can i boot kde? i just get a console tty1 login: ...
22:42<Kraze>krs: change your init state in /etc/initrd
22:42<Kraze>to 5
22:43<Kraze>er, /etc/inittab
22:44<abrotman>Kraze: reboot ?
22:45<abrotman>krs: don't change the inittab
22:45<abrotman>krs: aptitude install kdm kde xorg
22:45<abrotman>Kraze: this is not redhat .. changing the default run level does nothing
22:45<simonrvn>init 5 is for redcrap oses
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22:46<abrotman>i said that!
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22:47<Kraze>ah crap, I'm sorry
22:47<Kraze>getting my dists mixed up
22:48<Kraze>thanks for the correction
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22:49<krfkeith>could someone lend a helping hand to a new user?
22:49<krfkeith>I installed debian on an old iBook
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22:49<krfkeith>and it works, sorta
22:49<simonrvn># adduser foo
22:49<krfkeith>except for the graphics behave erractically
22:49<amphi>it worked well, when I did that, a few years back
22:50<krfkeith>can anyone help me?
22:50<dpkg>somebody said ppc was is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
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22:50*rww remembers trying to get Debian on ppc to work... and is glad he isn't running on it any more >.<
22:51<amphi>krfkeith: what's the card? some radeon?
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22:51<krfkeith>no, I have an ATI Agp Mobility 2X or something
22:51<krfkeith>its really old
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22:51<amphi>krfkeith: BTW, I recall a handy thing for using the 'sleep light' as a hd activity indicator
22:51<krfkeith>I have 512mb RAm though
22:52<amphi>oh, ghod, one of _those_ ;)
22:52<krfkeith>are they bad for Debian?
22:53<krfkeith>it was free
22:53<krfkeith>so I wanted to use it as a sort of web/irc machine
22:53<simonrvn>512 mb ram is nice on those
22:53<abrotman>my ppc macmini runs debian fine
22:54<krfkeith>could someone telnet into it and see what they can do?
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22:55<krs>thanks a lot. :)
22:56<abrotman>krfkeith: define "erratic"
22:57<krfkeith>well, only part of the windows appear
22:57<krfkeith>stuff hangs
22:57<krfkeith>the machine isnt frozen
22:57<krfkeith>the graphics just aren't resposive
22:57<krfkeith>and when you open windows, they dont go away
22:57<krfkeith>even when you minimize or close them
22:58<amphi>what driver do you use for that? ati?
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23:02<amphi>/var/log/Xorg.0.log shows anything interesting?
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23:04<Guest587>hay alguien ahi___
23:04<krfkeith>guest58: este no es un channel de espanyol
23:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:05<krfkeith>dpkg: you speak spanish too?
23:05<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
23:05<forastero>hola alguien habla español?
23:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:05<Guest587>soy de mexico
23:05<krfkeith>hablo espanol un poco
23:05<krfkeith>guest58: hola!, soy de tejas
23:06<forastero>hola soy de Venezuela
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23:06<forastero>y que tal?'
23:07<forastero>quien anda por ahi?
23:07<abrotman>forastero: #debian-es
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23:07<krfkeith>mi espanyol no es muy bueno, pero puedo hablar un poco
23:07<abrotman>forastero: #debian-es
23:07<forastero>jejejeje que tal?
23:07<forastero>Soy de Caracas - Venezuela
23:07<forastero>y a que te dedicas?
23:08<abrotman>forastero: #debian-es
23:08<krfkeith>la problema es la gramatica de la gente generalmente no es muy bien, y es dificil para me para compremder
23:08<krfkeith>lo siento, mi gramatica y mi espanol no es la mejor
23:08<abrotman>krfkeith: forastero : go to #debian-es .. this channel is for english
23:08<peterS>krfkeith: vada à #debian-it on
23:09<krfkeith>sorry, I speak english too
23:09<peterS>s/on/sul (:
23:09<forastero>ahhh that ok, i speak english soo
23:09<krfkeith>yeah, as I said, my spanish inst that great
23:09<krfkeith>and lots of people use lots of slang, which is hard for me
23:10<krfkeith>parlez-vous francais?
23:10<peterS>pas bien
23:10<krfkeith>lol, me neither, I'm learning though
23:10<krfkeith>je dois etudier si je veux aprendre francais
23:11<forastero>ahhh excelent, i'm engenier of informatic
23:11<krfkeith>peterS: was that correct grammar?
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23:11<krfkeith>peterS: parlez-vous francais?
23:11<peterS>yeah, grammar looks fine to me
23:11<forastero>mi gramatica en ingles no es buena
23:12<krfkeith>I must study, if I want to learn french
23:12<forastero>jeje pero te entiendo
23:12<krfkeith>forastero: tu grmatic in ingles es muy bueno
23:12<forastero>soo soo
23:12<krfkeith>no es un problemo
23:12<forastero>that ok
23:13<krfkeith>I love languages
23:13<krfkeith>especially when I use them
23:13<forastero>and your family live in mexico?
23:15<forastero>I live in Caracas with my wife and my son, he is two year.
23:15<krfkeith>I live in Texas
23:16<forastero>ok, ok, sorry EEUU, yes of course
23:16<krfkeith>si si
23:16<krfkeith>no es una problema
23:16<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
23:17<krfkeith>i dont see anything wrong with that file
23:17<forastero>and, how are the credit of bank on the your country?
23:18<forastero>the situations financiera es critica ?
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23:18<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
23:18<peterS>do the brotman!
23:18<forastero>I see on the TV
23:18<abrotman>peterS: i saw that!
23:18<abrotman>forastero: krfkeith please move this to #debian-offtopic
23:19<simonrvn>krfkeith: tres bien, merci ;p
23:19<CVirus>Why isn't adobe reader included in the non-free repository ?
23:19<forastero>no entiendo
23:19<forastero>que son esas letras rojas?
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23:21<Gloom>hi there
23:21<amphi>'français' ;)
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23:21<krfkeith>simonrvm: can you teach me french? I love your language! (im kidding, sorta)
23:21<peterS>CVirus: probably nobody cares enough. the free PDF readers are good enough for almost everyone
23:22*amphi misses staically linked motif
23:22<simonrvn>not really 'my' language
23:22<Gloom>I'm trying to configure a RAID0 on my comp. The mobo has Nforce4 chipset. What should I use, dmraid (using the nvidia soft raid) or mdadm? Any performance difference? has any advantage one over the other?
23:22<krfkeith>ok, I booted debian withougt X
23:22<krfkeith>now, to edit my xorg.conf
23:22<Supaplex>X? what's X for? ;)
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23:22<amphi>marking ye spot
23:23<peterS>Gloom: performance-wise, I suspect they are pretty much identical. I would use mdadm, but dmraid is better if you intend to share your setup with a different OS such as Windows
23:23<CVirus>peterS: adobe reader is much better when it comes to really huge PDF documents
23:23<krfkeith>thats mine, except it has 512mb RAM
23:23<abrotman>CVirus: you've tried xpdf/evince ?
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23:24<Gloom>yep, i know that. I'm not going to share it with any other OS. Only linux. Should I go then for mdadm??? Is not dmraid esier to set up for a RAID 0?
23:24<CVirus>abrotman: tried kpdf, xpdf, acroread
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23:24<abrotman>acroread is the crap adobe thing
23:25<CVirus>i know it is
23:25<krfkeith>ok, how do I do this
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23:25<CVirus>if two packages exist on different repos .. how will aptitude choose between them ?
23:25<peterS>Gloom: hmmm, I haven't tried dmraid, so I don't know how hard it is to set up. My impression is that you have to boot into some custom BIOS config interface, you can't just do everything from linux
23:25<amphi>CVirus: what's huge? epdfview handles a 260MB pdf no trouble
23:25<CVirus>i mean the same package name
23:25<peterS>Gloom: if that's true it would make it _harder_ at least for me
23:26<CVirus>amphi: will try that
23:26<Gloom>ok, thx
23:26<Gloom>i will try mdadm
23:26<Gloom>let's see :D
23:26<krfkeith>I *may* have solved the problem
23:27<CVirus>amphi: that's really nice .. thanks alot
23:27<amphi>CVirus: you're welcome
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23:31<krfkeith>ok, its working better, sorta
23:31<krfkeith>i changes xor.conf
23:31<krfkeith>to say UseFBDev False
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23:33<ethan>any kernel programmers here
23:33<Supaplex>ethan: sure
23:33<ethan>needed help in write protecting kernel / user memory pages using pte_wrprotect() in linux 2.6.26
23:33<ethan>hi supaplex
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23:34<ethan>can we talk in private ?
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23:35<ethan>ok .. so i have written a kernel module for
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23:35<ethan>1) allocating a page of size PAGE_SIZE
23:35<ethan>2) using remap_pfn_range in mmap function i make it available to user space
23:35<Supaplex>Actually, I'd try #c++ or #linux
23:36<Supaplex>er #c actually.
23:36<ethan>on the same network ?
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23:36<ethan>ohk thanks :)
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23:38<Gloom>thx guys. see ya later
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23:43<k6orj>Howdy Holborn, welcome to #debian!
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23:45<k6orj>Howdy gce, welcome to #debian!
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23:45<k6orj>Howdy vaib, welcome to #debian!
23:46<ethan>wohooo any1 alive
23:46<k6orj>anyone fimiliar with dual booting xp
23:46<abrotman>k6orj: there are tons of docs on google
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23:47<k6orj>Howdy abrotman, welcome to #debian!
23:47<abrotman>k6orj: and turn off whatever stupid script that is
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23:47<k6orj>Howdy Bearman, welcome to #debian!
23:48<abrotman>k6orj: turn that off
23:48<k6orj>I have been following them but It is not working. When i select debian the screen goes black then back to the screen asking me to choose
23:48<ethan>maybe missing a boot file
23:48<k6orj>Turn what off?
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23:49<k6orj>Howdy icman, welcome to #debian!
23:49<abrotman>k6orj: TURN THAT OFF
23:50<k6orj>What I don't know what you are talking about?
23:50<abrotman>your stupid script that greets everyone when they join
23:50<k6orj>Ok I will try to downlad another one. Don't know what is good in windows
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23:51<k6orj>Howdy RIVE, welcome to #debian!
23:51<abrotman>xchat is decent
23:51<RIVE>Thanks k6orj.
23:51<k6orj>OK I will get it
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23:52<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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23:54<Kdas>what files do i need so i can ssh into a pxe client(with no keyboard)
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