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---Logopened Sun Oct 19 00:00:00 2008
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00:03<Kdas>anyone ?
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00:06<abrotman>does the pxe client have openssh-server installed ?
00:06<Kdas>abrotman, i have a net4511 with a CF(empty) in it
00:06<abrotman>that doesn't help me
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00:07<Kdas>abrotman, ok the client is a device that has 2 eth ports and a COnsole port
00:08<abrotman>if you want to ssh to the client .. you have to install the ssh server
00:08<Kdas>abrotman, i havent done anything to it yet i would lik eto install voyage(a debian distro for embedded devices) to it
00:08<abrotman>you want ssh during the install ?
00:10<Kdas>abrotman, not particuliarly but the 5 guides i have read bring me to a loging prompt or a menu to install but i have no keyboard access
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00:13<Kdas>abrotman, by default pxe just loads a kernel and rootfs then leaves you at a prompt right?
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00:18<RIVE>Hi undead_knight.
00:18<undead_knight>Hello rive.
00:19<ethan>hey any kernel programmers here ?
00:19<krfkeith>from Spanish!
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00:19<undead_knight>I was hopping to find some help regarding a problem I have with Debian and networks...
00:19<RIVE>Yes krfkeith.
00:19<undead_knight>I speak spanish... but I'm no kernel programmer... some day.
00:19<krfkeith>ok, look, does anyone here have xorg.conf for iBook G3?
00:20<RIVE>undead_knight, ask your question if someone can help you, you will get an anwser.
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00:20<phillipsjk>krfkeith, fbdev should work IRCC, but it won't be accelarated.
00:20<undead_knight>Do you know what could cause a Debian server to access Internet at a 56Kb bandwidth while all other computers have a 5Mb bancwidth through the same switch?
00:21<krfkeith>phillipsjk: tried it, didnt work
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00:22<RIVE>krfkeith, whtas the problem with de iBook?
00:23<krfkeith>well, erratic graphics
00:23<krfkeith>bassically, the top half of the screen is non-functioning
00:23<krfkeith>its pretty annoying
00:23<Kdas>abrotman has abbandended me :9
00:24<krfkeith>anyone have any help?
00:24<abrotman>Kdas: sorry ... phone .. but you need an ssh server to ssh in
00:24<krfkeith>thats my iBook
00:24<krfkeith>but mine has more RAM
00:24<Kdas>abrotman, but how do i get a shh server on to the client is my question ?
00:24<phillipsjk>I don't know then. My PPC is a little older, and can't even boot Debian etch. try #debianppc ? (only 15 people there)
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00:25<RIVE>krfkeith, thats weird, i used a G3 with Ubuntu and Debian, the only problmes tahat i had with X was that when installing the vertrefres and horizc values did apers in the xorg.conf file so i had to put thos manually.
00:25<abrotman>Kdas: you install it
00:25<abrotman>aptitude install openssh-server
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00:26<Kdas>abrotman, how do i install that to my client machine that has a blank CF card and no keyboard input ?
00:26<krfkeith>RIVE: I had to put mine in manually too
00:26<krfkeith>and now X doesnt work
00:26<krfkeith>maybe they were wrong?
00:26<krfkeith>were would I find that info?
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00:26<undead_knight>So, no idea why a Debian sever would not use all the bandwidth available?
00:26<abrotman>Kdas: hook up a keyboard
00:26<jt_>if I take out the battery on my laptop (the battery is shot), would it make it any cooler?
00:27<Kdas>abrotman, my client has 2 eth ports and 1 Console port.. thats why i am asking aobut pxe ;)
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00:27<Supaplex>jt_: most likely
00:27<abrotman>undead_knight: make sure the eth card is 100Mb FD
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00:27<krfkeith>so anyway
00:27<Supaplex>!pal krfkeith
00:27*dpkg points at krfkeith and laughs hysterically
00:27<abrotman>Kdas: you still have to install the ssh server
00:27<undead_knight>both cards are 1000Mb full duplex, checked that with ethtool
00:28<Kdas>abrotman, on the host or client ?
00:28<abrotman>mtu ?
00:28<abrotman>Kdas: the machine you want to ssh to
00:28<undead_knight>1500 mtu...
00:28<phillipsjk>jt_ If your laptop in ancient enough, it may not work without the battery (It was sometimes used as a voltage regulator)
00:28<Supaplex>jt_: pm not neccessary
00:28<RIVE>krfkeith, let me check that values, i write about it in my blog.
00:28<undead_knight>It's a strange problem...
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00:28<krfkeith>RIVE: you know the Horiz synce?
00:28<Kdas>abrotman, ok and once again how am i to install openssh on my client device if it has 2 eth ports and a console port ?
00:29<undead_knight>All other machines attached to the switch have 5Mb bandwidth, but the debian servers only have 56Kb...
00:29<krfkeith>where is RIVE's blog?
00:29<jt_>the laptop is from 2001 I think. I'll check it out later
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00:29<RIVE>HorizSync 28-51 , VertRefresh 43-60 those where the values i used.
00:29<abrotman>Kdas: i dont' see what that has to do with it .. install the openssh-server from your apt sources
00:29<krfkeith>so that will work for all clamshell iBooks?
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00:31<phillipsjk>kdas: can you remove the CF card and put it in another machine?
00:31<krfkeith>yep, used those same ones, and X just completely crashes now
00:31<Kdas>abrotman, ok maybe i am missing something or you are not understanding... I don't have a OS on my client device nor keyboard acess so could you point me at a manual or help me with setting it up ?
00:31<RIVE>krfkeith, don't know i had a white iBook G#.
00:31<Kdas>phillipsjk, no but it does have pxe support?
00:31<krfkeith>how does one find that info?
00:31<abrotman>!ssh install
00:31<dpkg>somebody said ssh install was, or [obsolete] See also <debootstrap>.
00:33<RIVE>krfkeith, you could find that... xorg.conf clamshell ibook.
00:33<Kdas>abrotman, begining of the manual clearly says once you get to the debian installer but i can't access the debian installer because no keyboard input on the client EMBEDDED device
00:33<Kdas>phillipsjk, any ideas ?
00:34<abrotman>Kdas: nope. . no idea. then
00:34<krfkeith>RIVE: what?
00:35<RIVE>krfkeith, search in google... xorg.conf clamshell ibook
00:35<krfkeith>fatal server error, no screens found
00:35<krfkeith>what does that mean?
00:35<Kdas>holy !!
00:35<krfkeith>error 104
00:35<krfkeith>what is that?
00:36<phillipsjk>kdas you mentioned a CF card. If you can find an IDE to CF adapter, you can treat it lkie a hard disk for copying files (I haven't been able to find a CF to IDE adapter locally)
00:36<RIVE>krfkeith, edit xorg.conf and delete de values tahta i gave you, didnt work for your ibook.
00:36<krfkeith>I did
00:36<krfkeith>stil gets tha
00:36<Kdas>phillipsjk, host = laptop client = flash on board non removable :(
00:36<krfkeith>can the iBook do 1260x768
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00:37<RIVE>krfkeith, i think not, mine was 1024x768.
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00:37<Supaplex>but can the ibook do backflips?
00:38<krfkeith>sorry, meant that
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00:38<phillipsjk>Have you tried using the console port (9 pin D connector?)
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00:39<RIVE>Sorry, is almost a year that i don't use the iBook with Debian, i out of prctice with ppc problems.
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00:40<RIVE>krfkeith, sorry for my bad english.
00:40<krfkeith>no prob
00:40<krfkeith>what is error 104
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00:42<phillipsjk>kdas, yes the box you describe has pxe support:
00:42<Kdas>is there a channel or someone that can help me with this partiquliar problem ?
00:43<ethan><ethan> i have written a kernel code for mapping a page of kernel memory into the userspace and then trying to lock the physical page by setting the write protect bit on that page using pte_wrprotect() but it doesnt work
00:43<ethan><ethan> needed help in write protecting kernel / user memory pages using pte_wrprotect() in linux 2.6.26
00:43<ethan><ethan> <ethan> ok .. so i have written a kernel module for
00:43<ethan><ethan> <ethan> 1) allocating a page of size PAGE_SIZE
00:43<ethan><ethan> <ethan> 2) using remap_pfn_range in mmap function i make it available to user space
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00:43<Kdas>phillipsjk, yea i know ;) but how do i install voyage(a debian based system for embeded devices) on the device ?
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00:48<Kdas>phillipsjk, any ideas?
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00:54<phillipsjk>kdas you may wan to read thorugh this page: or join the voyage mailing list.
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00:54<phillipsjk>!based on Debian
00:54<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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00:55<Kdas>phillipsjk, i need a console port i think because device only boots if hit with ctrl+p for pxe :(
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00:59<phillipsjk>THe console is an RS-232 (I'm assuming. If your laptop does'nt have one, you may need an adapter. The installion instruction seem to assume the CF adapter route (THere are USB versions available)
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01:28<dal>ThinkPad T61, no brightness control, how do I enable CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO kenel module?
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01:37<flying-penguins>Anyone got any idea which channel would be discussing ntfs? I'm on the hunt for info on the best way to achieve r/w access from GNU/Linux and Winblows? I have an external 2.5" SATA HDD
01:38<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
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01:41<flying-penguins>Ok, I've been using ntfs-3g and have had a few problems, I'm not sure they are due to ntfs-3g though, so thought I'd try another driver. Was going to try ntfsmount, but looks like there are a few arguments between the 2 camps
01:42<flying-penguins>Was also wondering if I just use mount, which driver would be invoked
01:43<flying-penguins>The other thing I'm concerned about is, the fact that directory, file permissions are lost when the HDD's mounted
01:43<flying-penguins>I was leed to beleive that this was only the case with FAT32
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01:44<flying-penguins>I also see that There has been several (apparently stable) releases of ntfs-3g since the version in the debian testing repo
01:45<binarymutant>anyone know where I can find a good wallpaper for a transparent terminal?
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01:48<rotciv>the codecs for debian-amd64 are called w64codecs? what are the repository to download it?
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01:55<gsimmons>!tell rotciv -about dmm
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02:01<rotciv>gsimmons, alright i asked about "debian-multimedia.etch" for the dpkg bot then i added the repository and updated, what now? just search for w64codecs? this won't cause any problem here 'cuz i'm using debian-amd64?
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02:07<rotciv>and now how to install the flashplayer plugin for debian-amd64? =S
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02:19<enouf>!tell rotciv about nspluginwrapper
02:19<rotciv>gsimmons, thank you
02:21<enouf>rotciv: i'm not sure, but you might need ia32-libs and w32codecs, i don't know for sure though
02:23<rotciv>enouf: i'm afraid something goes wrong...
02:24<enouf>rotciv: how much ram is installed in your system? and how much is the max it can take?
02:25<rotciv>enouf: currently 2GB, and it can take 4GB
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02:26<enouf>rotciv: well, if you're into flash + java + codecs and shit, you might want to consider the i386 32bit arch for ease ..
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02:29<rotciv>enouf: mmm, i don't know how to say this but i didn't understand i'm sorry -- i'm not used to english, still learning. could you be more specific?
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02:31<rotciv>enouf: you're suggesting changing the debian-amd64 for debian-i386?
02:31<enouf>rotciv: well, some/many applications still only have 32bit versions, and because you use under 4GB of RAM, there's no benefit for you to use the "amd64" architecture (which is a 64bit userland) - the i386 architecture is all 32bit userland
02:32<rotciv>enouf: got it
02:32<rotciv>enouf: the only way to change for the i386 is downloading the .iso and reinstalling it, eh?
02:33<enouf>rotciv: yes, sadly - but, only do so, if that's what you think is best
02:33<enouf>rotciv: did you recently install?
02:33<rotciv>enouf: yup
02:33<enouf>rotciv: might as well get it over with then ;-)
02:34<rotciv>enouf: i have the .iso for i386 here -- which i used in my old PC -- but is the Debian Etch XFCE CD and i want Gnome
02:35<rotciv>enouf: installing another window manager is easy for those who're new to the linux?
02:35<enouf>rotciv: i see - well, not sure if you can use that for gnome only
02:35<dpkg>i guess gnome is a Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are KDE and XFCE) - see a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status>
02:35<enouf>rotciv: well ...
02:36<enouf>!tell rotciv about install gnome
02:37<enouf>crap .. it's the kde one that shows tasks= installer methods
02:37<rotciv>enouf: it seems pretty easy to install according to the bot
02:37<enouf>rotciv: indeed it is
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02:39<rotciv>enouf: i have X installed then i download gnome and want to run gnome in my system. what should i do to get gnome running?
02:40<enouf>rotciv: to set it up as your default environment, run as root; update-alternative --config x-session-manager
02:40<rotciv>enouf: then is just choose gnome?
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02:40<enouf>rotciv: also run as root; update-alternative --config x-window-manager if you like ...
02:40<enouf>rotciv: yes
02:40<rotciv>enouf: great :)
02:41<enouf>rotciv: it might help to use gdm for your DM, not sure
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02:41<enouf>!tell rotciv about DM
02:41<rotciv>enouf: i had no problem with gdm using XFCE
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02:42<enouf>rotciv: i didn't know which DM you were using ;-)
02:42<rotciv>enouf: yea
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02:46<rotciv>enouf: well, i'm leaving. tomorrow i'm gonna install the i386 'cuz it's already 5am here in Brazil. thank you so much for you help, enouf. have a good night/day/afternoon (don't know where you live). cya ;)
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02:48<enouf>you too - welcome ;-)
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03:18<Navadeh-Kourosh>hi to all
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04:53<Bassetts>Hello, I am trying to install Lenny in a VM via the netinstall beta 2 and I keep getting "Installation Step Failed" when it is installing/configuring packages.
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05:00<tzafrir_laptop>Bassetts, console 4 should have a log . try alt-f4
05:00<Bassetts>tzafrir_laptop: thanks, I will do, I will have to try installing again
05:01<Bassetts>about half way through the base system install right now.
05:01<devout>Anyone know the command to list all packages installed?
05:01<Bassetts>is it dpkg -l ??
05:02<Bassetts>ahh, devout dpkg --get-selections
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05:04<devout>Great, Ta
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05:24<rage>Hey guys
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06:01<enouf>devout: alternatively ; dpkg -l | grep ^.i
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06:03<enouf>wow - talk about belated entries :-P
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06:04<jackyf>hello all
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06:05<jackyf>i'm looking for fake mail server at localhost with sole purpose to redirect outgoing mail to /usr/sbin/sendmail
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06:07<petemc>jackyf: you have apps talking smtp to localhost?
06:07<jackyf>petemc: exactly
06:08<petemc>and what will you get sendmail to do with the messages?
06:08<jackyf>"/usr/sbin/sendmail" is configured outgoing mta on my machine
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06:13<tvich>Need a quick answer...
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06:13<tvich>Do i need package ifupdown?
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06:14<tvich>I'm runing apt-get --purge remove and ifupdown is among the thins to go
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06:16<jackyf>tvich: maybe
06:16<tvich>i acces the server through ssh
06:17<tvich>I'm accesing
06:17<jackyf>but if apt doesn't refuse to delete it
06:17<jackyf>probably it's ok
06:17<tvich>I usualy restar networking with '' /etc/init.d/networking restart''
06:17<tvich>will it still work?
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06:17<ehretf>hello all. I would like to know if someone successfully get a HDMI port to support audio?
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06:21<tvich>@jackyf: I removed ifupdown and quickly installed it again
06:22<tvich>ssh still works
06:22<jackyf>tvich: :)
06:22<jackyf>i looked into source, answer is no probably :)
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06:23<tvich>Anyway have a nice day all of you
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06:26<Cribozai>Having problems with flash plugin (or javascript) in debian lenny. Help appreciated.
06:26<ehretf>hello all. I would like to know if someone successfully get a HDMI port to support audio?
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06:34<Cribozai>nvm my question, i installed the non-free plugin :(
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06:55<Guest625>hi all! can you tell me why when I open aMule - even thought I'm not connected to KAD or to servers - I upload files?
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06:59<nubbun>Want to overwrite my configuration files with default ones for already installed package. How?
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07:02<mark_on>nubbun: don't these installed packages provide "restore defaults"?
07:03<nubbun>mark_on: package is BIND
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07:03<mark_on>nubbun: however it depends on the software..
07:03<mark_on>nubbun: is there its configuration in the directory $HOME ?
07:03<mark_on>I don't know that package.. :/
07:04<nubbun>mark_on: Thanks, but it won't work like that. So, I'm looking for a way to get it from the .deb file.
07:04<mark_on>nubbun: however, usually in the source files there is a .conf file
07:05<nubbun>so, yes, I could install the debian source package. That's a good idea.
07:05<mark_on>nubbun: you can also download simply the source package, extract it and see in some directories..
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07:07<stumbles>hi, how would go about troubleshooting a problem where the system seems to stop mid-way through starting up daemons, but doesn't hang entirely?
07:08<stumbles>i've tried removing some of the services either side of when it stops, but that doesn't seem to help
07:09<stumbles>(ie. if it pauses just after Cups and just before speech-dispatcher, i've removed both of those)
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07:13<nubbun>stumbles: enabled boot log yet?
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07:15<stumbles>nubbun, thanks, i'll check out dpkg's instructions on bootlog
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07:20<stumbles>nubbun: the boot log looks to give the same output as what's sent to the screen at boot. Could I configure it to give more info, or should I look at a different log for such details?
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07:23<nubbun>stumbles: with syslogd you can configure it to give more detail. linux you can configure to give more detail too, but I don't recall how. bootlog, I don't know. The messages from linux might be able to be made more verbose with a parameter passed to it at boot time. or adjusted on the kernel with a utility who's name I forget.
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07:24<nubbun>stumbles: specifically I've seen systems pause with the clock script.
07:25<nubbun>It may try and get time from a time server and if can't, pause until timeout.
07:25<stumbles>nubbun: thank for those tips :)
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07:45<platformagnostic>anyone familiar with gfceu?
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07:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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07:50<platformagnostic>I am getting an error message indicating that gfceu cannot find the glade libraries cannot be found, despite having already been installed with apt, and being able to verify their existence in /usr/lib/ myself
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08:04<stumbles>is there some kind of interactive mode during startup than can be used to allow/disallow startup services one at a time? I'm trying to hunt down what's causing my startup to pause.
08:05<wuseldusel>i got an amd64 debian. when running x86 applications they usually don't find their 32bit compatibility libs down in /emul automatically, what can i do against this?
08:06<wuseldusel>or at least for one application run. setting some env variables maybe?
08:06<weasel>add /emul to /etc/ and/or /etc/
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08:13<cahoot>stumbles: <metaanswer> you could install and use bootchart
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08:16<devout>What is the most reliable mirror for NZ?
08:16<pjrolls>can someone help me out here, (total newb) i installed debian and have a compatable usb wireless network adapter, comes with driver files *.tar.gz, how do i install these so debian sees my usb wifi
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08:19<devout>I think you'll have to extract the archive and then if it's a .deb... dpkg -i
08:21<X1938>anything needed other than "Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers" and SCSI support drivers for my Sata drive to work on kernel 2.6.27 ?
08:22<X1938>and what the hell is ata_piix ?
08:22<pjrolls>after unziping, they ar all "ko" files
08:23<abrotman>pjrolls: which wifi driver?
08:24<pjrolls>debian31-8187(110) realtek 8187
08:24<pjrolls>realtek 8187 chipset
08:25<pjrolls>alternate drivers?
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08:30<pjrolls>abrotman: if i sent you the driver file can you look at it and figure it out?
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08:30<abrotman>pjrolls: you shouldn't need that tar.gz
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08:31<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25. Ask me about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels.
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08:31<zulu>hi, I'm a total noob in wifi networking and wanted to know: I want to connect a wifi smartphone to the internet using my debian router
08:32<zulu>I have a simple netgear wg311T adapter, is it enough? or do I need a WAP router ore something more sofisticated?
08:32<abrotman>is the wg311T a wifi adapter?
08:32<zulu>it is pluged in the router
08:33<abrotman>man iwconfig .. look at the modes
08:33<zulu>when they speak about WAP, does it mean special hardware or mode of operation?
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08:34<blueeyez>is all extarnal dvd burners supported of ubuntu?
08:34<pjrolls>abrotman:thanks, figured it should be plug and play, ill try a few more things, the more i play the more is figured out, so far I LIKE IT!!!
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08:35<abrotman>pjrolls: which veresion of debian are you using?
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08:35<abrotman>blueeyez: ask #ubuntu
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08:36<pjrolls>abrotman: i have no clue, just downloaded it last week and have been trying to get internet going, on a windows drive rite now.
08:36<blueeyez>there is nobody on that channel?
08:36<abrotman>pjrolls: uname -r .. is it .18 or .24 or .26 ?
08:36<abrotman>blueeyez: try #ubuntu on
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08:39<X1938>abortman : if you have debian installed on a sata drive and the kernel you installed doesnt support sata
08:39<pjrolls>abrotman: I downloaded cd image debian-40r4a-i386
08:39<X1938>whould it be able to even start with the boot
08:39<abrotman>X1938: uh what?
08:39<abrotman>pjrolls: from what the factoid says above .. if you were to get the etchnhalf kernel .. your wifi should 'just work'
08:40<X1938>its booting then hanging at waiting for root file sys
08:40<X1938>but if its not supporting sata how did it even start with the boot
08:40<abrotman>!tell X1938 about waiting for root
08:40<pjrolls>thanks, ill try, ive got a few more ideas
08:40<abrotman>!tell X1938 about waiting for root filesystem
08:41<abrotman>!waiting root
08:41<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
08:41<X1938>ty !!!
08:41<abrotman>pjrolls: the newest kernel is the easiest one
08:41<zulu>what is the difference between linux-source-* and linux-tree-* package?
08:42<pjrolls>abrotman: etchnhalf.. see it, let me get that and try.. thanks again been a big help!
08:42<abrotman>pjrolls: if you have another OS .. you can put them on a usb stick and instal them that way
08:42<abrotman>or do that
08:43<X1938>abortman : no thats not the problem
08:43<X1938>its sda on both my working kernel and my custom one
08:43<abrotman>X1938: if your kernel doesn't support sata .. not much you can do
08:44<X1938>it should , its the latest linux kernel
08:44<abrotman>but you compiled it?
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08:44<X1938>this old one does support sata drives and i used .config for the custom kernel
08:44<X1938>it should have worked
08:44<X1938>yes i did abortman
08:44<abrotman>then you did it wrong .. do it again
08:44<abrotman>or why bother at all
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08:45<X1938>thats what im doing right now
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08:45<X1938>i added the Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers
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08:47<stumbles>zulu: linux-tree-... is meta-package that depends on compatible source and image files for the linux kernel.
08:48<abrotman>X1938: why are you compiling your kernel at all?
08:50<zulu>ok stumbles what is it used for?
08:50<X1938>im having some problems with acpi and my sound card.
08:50<X1938>one have to be off for the other to work
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08:51<stumbles>zulu: see `apt-cache show linux-tree-2.6.XX`
08:54<enouf>$ apt-cache showsrc linux-tree-2.6.26
08:55<enouf>zulu: all archs stem from the tree, iinm
08:55<And1>How can I purge MTA?
08:55<And1>Well, how's the package called, MTA comes with...?
08:56<abrotman>And1: you should have one .. what's wrong with you having one ?
08:56<X1938>hello there enouf
08:56<And1>abrotman: Mh, it takes almost have a minute to start up at boot.
08:57<And1>Think I don't need it on my old laptop.
08:57<enouf>X1938: hi
08:58<abrotman>And1: do you have a localhost entry in /etc/hosts ?
08:59<And1> localhost and $hostname
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09:01<abrotman>And1: is your network static ?
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09:06<wuseldusel>im running an x86 gnome app on debian amd64 testing - it looks a bit uggly and outputs "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/ wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" on the console. the correct one should be /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/ - how can i tell it to search in the right place?
09:08<And1>abrotman: Mh, yes.
09:09<abrotman>And1: put an entry for your static IP In the /etc/hosts
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09:11<And1>abrotman: With localhost or my hostname?
09:12<abrotman>IP hostname.domain hostname
09:12<And1>Ah ok, thanks.
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09:13<Navadeh-Kourosh>any body there to help me ?
09:14<abrotman>just ask your question
09:14<X1938>ok , going to restart now
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09:15<X1938>hope this works :S
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09:15<Navadeh-Kourosh>i want create a new user and this user can use the sudo
09:15<abrotman>adduser .. visudo
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09:25<karpagam>hi after installing debian grub is unable to boot another linux distro giving the message error 2: bad file or directory type press any key to continue what can be done
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09:29<karpagam>hi anybody
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09:30<dgodfath1r>hi you all, i am connecting to a remote network through vpn but when i am trying to ping an inner computer(or any other network interaction)
09:30<dgodfath1r>it fails
09:30<karpagam>i have a problem. after installing debian grub is unable to boot another linux distro giving the message error 2: bad file or directory type press any key to continue what can be done
09:30<dgodfath1r>ping fails with, sendmsg: operation not permitted
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09:31<dgodfath1r>now, when not connected to the vpn network i can surf and ping which ever computer i want
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09:31<dgodfath1r>which makes you think it's probably in the remote network, but since i can if i connect to the vpn through windows, and the admin of the network said it's open,
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09:32<dgodfath1r>i tend to beleive it's something in my box
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09:32<dgodfath1r>in my iptables i see no entry to drop or reject icmp connections
09:33<dgodfath1r>but i am not femiliar to much with iptables, only some guides i just read to see maybe the problem lies there
09:33<dgodfath1r>can anyone offer his help?
09:33<dgodfath1r>his or her help ofcourse
09:34<karpagam>hi anybody
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09:37<karpagam>i have a problem. after installing debian grub is unable to boot another linux distro giving the message error 2: bad file or directory type press any key to continue what can be done
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09:37<T_X>hey ho, I wanna get my CRT monitor working with my laptop. but so far, there seems to be no signal from the vga output. and xrandr has detected one screen only
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09:39<karpagam>it is a triple boot system it boots debian and windows xp but fails to boot another linux distro
09:40<karpagam>grub says error 2: bad file or directory type press any key to continue what can be done
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09:47<abrotman>T_X: check your bios
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09:49<krisso>my clock is running early 2 hours. i set up the right timezone under gnome, and ntp is installed and running
09:49<krisso>what should i do? im confused.
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09:50<abrotman>grep UTC /etc/default/rcS
09:51<krisso>abrotman, result is YES
09:52<abrotman>probably should be set to NO
09:52<abrotman>with an editor
09:52<krisso>ah ok editing the file is enough
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09:53<T_X>abrotman: what shall I check in my bios? I think that one should be fine, because it works on windows
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09:53<abrotman>T_X: you tried hitting the display button on the laptop ?
09:54<abrotman>you might have to have the monitor plugged in at boot time to have it available to linux
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10:02<k6orj>hello everyone, I have a dual boot question? I can't get Debian to boot.
10:02<karpagam>hi, i've just installed debian on an existing dual-boot(winxp, another linux distro).grub says error 2: bad file or directory type press any key to continue what can be done
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10:03<T_X>lol, it was easier then I thought, I could get it working by starting nvidia-settings and then hitting the 'detect displays' button. but thanks abrotman
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10:03<k6orj>I don't know mine won't even do that
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10:05<k6orj>When I select Debian the screen goes blank and then right back to the screen to select XP or Debian again.
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10:10<guowei>hi. i installed kde-desktop and scim + skim for pinying. but i got an errormessage like
10:11<guowei>i can not choose between the different there a nice howto?
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10:16<JonY_>hello, i have ups "powermust 600 usb" and i search software for monitor him, can somebody help me?
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10:18<karpagam>hi everybody
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10:19<karpagam>hi, i've just installed debian on an existing dual-boot(winxp, another linux distro).grub says error 2: bad file or directory type press any key to continue what can be done
10:20<Skratz0r>I should think Grub is configured wrong.
10:20<karpagam>it is booting debian and winxp but not the 2nd linux distro
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10:21<karpagam>in menu.lst everything is ok
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10:21<k6orj>karpagam: did you install grub on the MBR?
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10:22<k6orj>karpagam: Are you using NTLDR
10:23<karpagam>yes i have installed grub in mbr but lilo on the second linux os
10:23<Skratz0r>What is this second linux OS?
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10:23<karpagam>itis boss
10:24<k6orj>you are trying to boot 2 lixux distros? Ok sorry
10:24<karpagam>i had installed boss initially with lilo. yes 2 linux and 1 winxp
10:25<k6orj>I am trying to load xp and debian and can't get it to work.
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10:25<karpagam>you mean i should remove xp?
10:26*Skratz0r coughs
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10:26<k6orj>no no no I was talking about my system that dosn't work
10:27<karpagam_>now the point is it boots winxp and debian but not boss
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10:28<k6orj>what is boss?
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10:28<karpagam_>it is an adaptation of debian fo indian conditions
10:29<karpagam_>it is an adaptation of debian for indian conditions
10:29<k6orj>ok cool
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10:30<karpagam_>boss is a distro of debian which indian govt promotes
10:31<k6orj>I have heard that some of the asian countrys were promoting linux over windows.
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10:32<karpagam_>the point is whether lilo should be removed and only grub should be allowed to remain?
10:34<karpagam_>boss had not the remotest links with windows it is an attempt to standardise so that it can be officially followed
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10:34<karpagam_>boss has not the remotest links with windows it is an attempt to standardise so that it can be officially followed
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10:36<k6orj>I don't remember I used to have two distros on the same computer and don't know how I did it .
10:36<dgodfath1r>can anyone link me to an explanation on how to backup my iptables state so i can restore it after "iptables -F"
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10:37<Skratz0r>Woah guys... What on earth happened to my ~/.Trash/ ?
10:37<Skratz0r>It seems to have moved to ~/.local/share/Trash/files/
10:37<k6orj>I think all the experts are sleeping
10:38<Skratz0r>I recently updated to Lenny
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10:39<Skratz0r>I hope this has nothing to do with it. I miss my ~/.Trash ,_,
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10:39<Gekz>you could ln -s ~/.local/share/Trash/file/ ~/.Trash
10:39<Gekz>if it has infact moved
10:39<Skratz0r>I could link it; yeah
10:40<karpagam_>thanks, bye
10:40<Skratz0r>But I just wondered if there was a reason for it having done so
10:40<Skratz0r>(Moved, that is.)
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11:02<K6ORJ>anyone able to help me with a dual boot problem xp/debian?
11:02<K6ORJ>Can't boot Debian?
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11:04<Skratz0r>K6ORJ: whats up with it?
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11:04<K6ORJ>NTLDR does fine with
11:05<K6ORJ>NTLDR does fine with XP but goes blank when loading Debian and returns to the NTLODER screen
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11:10<K6ORJ>SkratzOr: I don't even get an error message to tell me what is going on
11:14<K6ORJ>SkratzOr: Do all of the debian files need to be on the same partition for a dual boot to work. I did this a long time ago and don't remember having all of my files in the same partition.
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11:19<x1938>problem solved!
11:20<x1938>but the acpi shows that its not on battery when it is (thats on kernel 2.6.25)
11:20<x1938>any ideas ?
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11:21<x1938>sounds working a lot better now , a lot better than i thought it could
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11:22<T_X>hi there! I tried to install debian on a friend's laptop today, but it seems to find nearly no hardware... no network device (broadcom gigabit), no wireless device(atheros), no graphics device(the screen gets and stays black after the gdm starts to load)
11:22<abrotman>which veresion did you install?
11:22<T_X>should I give the testing version a try instead of the stable?
11:22<T_X>latest stable one for amd64
11:23<abrotman>either use the etchnhalf or a lenny daily
11:23<abrotman>(not lenny beta2)
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11:23<T_X>lenny was the testing one?
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11:24<oso_>como entro a
11:24<x1938>abortman , how could i check that acpi i running ?
11:24<abrotman>oso_: #ubuntu-es on
11:24<abrotman>x1938: that's one way
11:25<x1938>another way ?
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11:25<abrotman>look in dmesg for example
11:26<K6ORJ>what is etchnhalf?
11:26<x1938>ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present)
11:26<x1938>ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (on-line)
11:26<abrotman>!tell K6ORJ about etchnhalf
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11:27<K6ORJ>is it an updated version of etch?
11:28<abrotman>there is a URL you can read in what the bot told you
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11:29<K6ORJ>the bot?
11:29<abrotman>!tell K6ORJ about etchnhalf
11:30<steven>Is there way way to change the keyboard shortcuts in ubuntu? When playing a game (with wine) I use the alt key and click a lot but that combo grabs the window and moves it. Any way to disable or change?
11:30<abrotman>ask #ubuntu
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11:33<steven>abrotman, sorry lol, thought I had selected the #ubuntu channel :)
11:33<K6ORJ>abrotman: Thank you I guess you sent me a message from dpkg
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11:38<K6ORJ>abrotman: I am trying to do a dual boot xp / Debian system but NTLDR won't boot Debian. Just get a blank screen and beck to the bootloader screen. Any ideas?
11:38<abrotman>i've never used ntldr to boot debian .. and wouldn't do it
11:39<abrotman>ntldr can barely boot windows ...
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11:39<K6ORJ>What do you suggest?
11:39<abrotman>use grub to boot windows and linux
11:40<K6ORJ>Grub can boot NTSF from the debian side?
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11:41<abrotman>that's how i do it here
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11:41<K6ORJ>OK on the webpage looking now.... Thanks
11:42<abrotman>i think i told you that a few days ago
11:42<K6ORJ>I just started this last night and got it all screwed up. Can't get back into linux now
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11:59<T_X>thanks again, abrotman. we're still installing, but it looks like it found the ethernet device now
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11:59<T_X>next question :D follows
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12:00<T_X>since today, I can't login anymore. I can only login in single user mode, but not at the login-screen
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12:00<K6ORJ>abrotman: how do I run this is there a good help file for dummys out there?
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12:01<abrotman>K6ORJ: google "grub dual boot debian windows"
12:01<abrotman>K6ORJ: did you install lenny or etch ?
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12:01<K6ORJ>I used grub2 in lenny
12:01<abrotman>K6ORJ: aptitude install grub2 os-prober
12:02<abrotman>it should setup windows for you
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12:03<K6ORJ>It can't see my windows because it is on a RAID. It has to be that way becsuse I deal with big photograph files that take for ever to load.
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12:05<K6ORJ>May have to put windows on a single drive and keep the photographs on the RAID.
12:05<ant_>I am having trouble getting acpi sleep to work on my ibm t43p laptop since kernel 2.6.23 - can anyone help me figure out what's missing?
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12:09<zumbi>when having a path /foo/bar/data, dirname tells you /foo/bar/, but which was the command that lets you know the directory you are in?
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12:10<epitaph>zumbi. pwd?
12:11<zumbi>pwd tells you the absolute path, i just want 'data' from /foo/bar/data
12:11<epitaph>try basename
12:11<zumbi>that was it
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12:14<lucas_>Hi all
12:14<lucas_>Who knows if there is a good DeCSS application for linux, such as AnyDVD for windows?
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12:22<chalkie>hi guys, im looking to setup an ftp on my debian vps, any recomendations? i need one that allows me to have username and passwords :-)
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12:24<epitaph>chalkie, they'll all do that as far as I'm aware, through the normal passwd file. You may be able to use a separate file, but I can't remember offhand how to do it, sorry
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12:24<epitaph>if you don't want your ftp users to have shell access, set the shell to /bin/true
12:25<chalkie>i only want them to have access to 1 folder :-)
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12:25<epitaph>should be easy enough, just read the man pages ;)
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12:29<abrotman>your ftpd should have chroot docs .. i know proftpd and vsftpd o
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12:30<epitaph>yeah; found it, I'm using proftpd. But he quit ;)
12:32<lucas_>I'm looking for an application that can backup my personal video DVD, no idea? (including CSS protected)
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12:33<epitaph>I don't suppose anyone is using dosemu and could point me at some sort of quick start guide?
12:33<wuseldusel>the guys in have figured out a solution for an issue with 32bit gtk apps on a 64bit ubuntu. it involves a symlink having "i486-pc-linux-gnu" for the respective platform in it. this does not work for me (debian testing amd64). how can i figure out the correct platform string for my system?
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12:35<wang_CN>no man ?
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12:35<wang_CN>r u where
12:35<wang_CN>where r u
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12:36<epitaph>wang_CN, huh?
12:36<wang_CN>i don't speak english
12:37<dpkg>china is probably a country, or what you eat from on holidays, or ask me about <cn>
12:37<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
12:37<wang_CN>r u speak chinaese
12:37<dpkg>one warez list being sent to elisa
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12:39<eljefe_EeePC>anyone know of a good GUI app to configure an ATI videocard for dual monitors etc, when using the fglrx proprietary ATI driver?
12:40<dpkg>try /quit
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12:46<T_X>grr, we can't get the graphics card working yet. ethernet and wlan seem fine. but the screen is still black. at least we can switch to one of the terminals with Ctrl+Alt+Fx and configure stuff
12:47<T_X>we already tried the fglrx-source package
12:47<T_X>and installed that stuff. no error messages appeard, but after a reboot, the screen is still black
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13:00<nubbun>I have GCC 4.3 installed. I now install linux-headers and aptitude wants to install GCC 4.1 . Is something wrong?
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13:02<epitaph>nubbun, I guess they're not converted or something. I'd give it a shot, and if you get errors from 4.3, switch to 4.1
13:02<tkoski>T_X: hi, i have not used on ATI cards, but sgfxi scrip should work for that too
13:03<tkoski>T_X: it does not have GUI though ...
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13:03<nubbun>how do I get aptitude to ignore the dependency and not install an old GCC?
13:04<nubbun>(F)orbid didn't seem to work.
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13:07<Nemoder>nubbun: it probably means the kernel you are using was compiled with gcc4.1, so any modules you compile for the kernel will also have to use 4.1
13:07<epitaph>nubbun, does it want to remove 4.3? As far as I'm aware they should coexist peacufully. If so, just let it install unless you're real short of space
13:07<epitaph>as Nemoder says, you may need it ;)
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13:10<nubbun>Nemoder: Is that really so? I would think it would depend on the ELF format and perhaps package binutils. there is only 1 binutils.
13:10<nubbun>It does not wish to remove 4.3
13:11<Nemoder>yes you can have both installed, just use export CC=gcc-4.3 to specify the version
13:11<Nemoder>and I know at least the nvidia installer will refuse to compile if gcc version doesn't match the kernel
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13:12<epitaph>yeah, I think the stack frame handling needs to match, so it plays conservatively
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13:16<cyber>i am loking for a debian sid apt-souce list
13:16<cyber>some one had a ftp address
13:17<dpkg>somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>.
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13:21<draemon>anybody know if there's a way to disable a module by passing kernel parameters?
13:21<cyber>i take testing and will see how it workt thanks
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13:21<draemon>I'm having trouble with the megaraid/megaraid_mbox modules
13:21<cyber>you can blacklistet
13:22<cyber>ther is a file blacklist
13:22<draemon>Booting from the install cd
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13:22<draemon>the installer is hanging for ages waiting for megaraid_mbox to timeout
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13:23<draemon>does that mean I have to make my own netboot cd with a modified blacklist?
13:24<cyber>when you have your own let the modul out
13:25<draemon>I do actually need the module - I just don't want it to load until I modprobe it
13:25<draemon>or at least have a chance to see why it isn't working
13:26<draemon>I'm just getting megaraid: aborting-102 in dmesg, which isn't very helpful
13:26<draemon>then a load of megarid mbox: Wait for 2 commands to complete:300
13:28<draemon>Can anyone give me an idea of where to look to see what these megraid errors mean?
13:28<cyber>you can give parameter befor you start the cd in grub ore lilo but i dont not realy how
13:28<cyber>you can edit the lines in grub
13:29<cyber>you have a raid
13:31<draemon>found it: module_name.blacklist=yes
13:31<draemon>of course that doesn't solve my major problem.
13:32<draemon>yes - I have a 6-disk raid0 array
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13:34<cyber>I am not realy good whit raid , sotomes i type the error in google and get good ansers what the error men
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13:35<draemon>I just get a load of stuff about the driver being changed in 2005 (and a patch back then which was meant to fix any probs) and changing an I2O setting I don't have
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13:36<cyber>sound confusing for me
13:36<draemon>Now that's odd - if I modprobe megaraid_mbox, dmesg looks good (detects sda and partitions) but nothing appears under /dev
13:38<cyber>and what is whit "mount"
13:38<draemon>I can't mount anything - the devices don't exist
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13:39<cyber>dedects sda
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13:39<hendrik>i am having trouble configuring an exim server. It should directly send mails out without smart host, but at the same time accept mails for the local domain. Unfortunatally it does an mx lookup for the local domain and then complains that the mx record points back to the same computer.
13:39<cyber>i think i am not realy helpfull sorry
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13:51<adb>hendrik: /msg dpkg exim4
13:52<hendrik>thank you adb
13:54<draemon>looks like it's bug
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13:55<draemon>anybody fancy directing towards the quickest way to create my own netboot cd with a patched kernel?
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14:21<ebzzry>Why is it that after I type "gpasswd -a myself somegroup", I still don't see "somegroup" in the output of the "groups" command?
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14:23<ebzzry>Is that how it works in Debian?
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14:24<ebzzry>Are dialout, cdrom, floppy, audio, video, plugdev, powerdev, and netdev default group memberships, even if I don't see my username in that group in /etc/group?
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14:41<T_X>tkoski: thanks, I did differently now. I just ran aticonfig over the xorg.conf and then it worked. somebody should at this to the /usr/share/doc/fglrx-source/README.Debian in my opinion...
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14:42<T_X>so, the friend's laptop looks good now
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14:43<T_X>but still my one does not :D. I still can't login at the welcome screen anymore, but I can login at one of the standard terminals with Ctrl+Alt+F#. so I didn't misspell the password or stuff like that
14:44<T_X>I don't know if the update with aptitude could have to do anything with this
14:45<EagleSn>I would like to install Debian lenny right now, but i cannot
14:45<T_X>I updated about 20 hours ago to the latest unstable version
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14:45<EagleSn>CD installation media for lenny does not detect well my CD-ROM drive, and installec cannot mount the installation media
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14:57<T_X>eh, well, just found out, that I can't login because of a misconfigured xorg.conf, is that possible?
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14:58<T_X>I made a new xorg.conf with nvidia-settings to enable dual-monitors in split screen mode with xinerama
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14:58<T_X>when I copy the old xorg.conf back, then I can login again suddenly
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15:06<themill>T_X: is the keyboard layout different?
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15:10<T_X>weird, does the xorg.conf file really have to do something with the login procedure? here are the two config files(the first one is working, but single-monitor only, the second one does not allow the login):
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15:11<T_X>ah, yeah, that might be
15:11<T_X>wait a second
15:11<themill>one is de
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15:12<T_X>yeah, you're right, I'll try to add this to the nvidia one manually
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15:15<moulin> /help
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15:15<moulin> /help
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15:17<mase>hello. has anyone gallery2 running?
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15:18<nowhere_man>I've added vnc=1 and vncdisplay=1 to a Xen DomU configuration, but I can't connect to with a VNC client
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15:18<nowhere_man>is there something else to do for VNC to be used with Xen?
15:19<mase> connecting to itself?
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15:20<nowhere_man>connecting locally
15:20<nowhere_man>I'm on the same machine where Xen runs
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15:21<mase>do you have the "lo" device?
15:21<pumpkin0>nowhere_man: yes, but is (nearly) always the currently running system. So inside the VM it's the VM, outside the VM it's the real OS.
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15:22<nowhere_man>of course I have the lo device
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15:23<nowhere_man>pumpkin0: the VNC display is not created within the guest, but by Xen in Dom0
15:23<pumpkin0>nowhere_man: any you connect using .. ?
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15:23<nowhere_man>tsclient or vncviewer directly
15:24<nowhere_man>same way I do with QEMU, BTW
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15:30<eljefe>Hello, I am using fglrx (installed on Lenny with m-a a-i fglrx) but "xrandr --query" says my max resolution is 1024x768; I should be getting 1440x900 at least, for this monitor. Any one have suggestions?
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15:31<moulin> /who
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15:31<jackyf>eljefe: handwrite neede resolution in xorg.conf
15:31<mase>eljefe yop, check the xorg.conf.
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15:31<eljefe>i have done that
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15:32<mase>eljefe try removing the dcc stuff
15:32<eljefe>it doesn't fix it; it skips over that 1440x90 and uses the next, 1024x768
15:32<eljefe>what is dcc? I'll try it
15:32<mase>eljefe i think there was a "nodcc" option, but i don't know exactly
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15:33<moulin>Is this a good place to ask about finding a functional ppd file for a Deskjet F429 ?
15:34<moulin>That should ne F4280
15:34<eljefe_EeePC>well i added 'Option "NoDCC"' in my xorg.conf and now it won't restart X, mase.
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15:34<mase>eljefe for me it was about commenting out the 'Load "ddc"' line in the module section
15:34<eljefe_EeePC>i didn't even have that
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15:35<eljefe_EeePC>is there not some sort of actually usable method/app to set this stuff up? like even something on the ATI site where you pick options and it creates the xorg.conf file ?
15:35<pumpkin0>eljefe_EeePC: did you check the driver loads correctly and works the way it should (3D,...)?
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15:36<mase>eljefe the fglrx installer normally can create an xorg.conf
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15:37<themill>moulin:'s website is excellent
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15:38<moulin>I'll give them a try. Standard Debian suggested ppd file just hangs
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15:38<eljefe_EeePC>well glxinfo |grep render" returned that it was using the ATI card and driver, but with KDE4 any time i turn on 3d effects and it doesn't work i end up having issues and need to wipe my .kde4/ .... right now i want it to look right and i'll start testing 3d
15:39<eljefe_EeePC>the installer creates poor xorg.conf entries
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15:39<mase>eljefe is "glxgears" working nice? (kde4 might be buggy)
15:39<eljefe_EeePC>yeah it works fine
15:39<eljefe_EeePC>992 fps
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15:39<mase>eljefe oh, thats not fine i think
15:40<eljefe_EeePC>oh really?
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15:40<mase>eljefe mom
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15:41<mase>eljefe (mom=one moment please) i get 1200fps on a poor laptop with intel chipset, i think you should get more...
15:41<eljefe_EeePC>honestly getting these closed drivers installed and usable is horribly painful, but i bought the card for its TVout and for KDE4 goodness, so i need to install it if i want to get my money's worth
15:42<T_X>themill: thanks a lot, that was it, I can log in again, yahoo! :)
15:42<mase>eljefe is the kernel module loaded? (sorry, don't know the name)
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15:43<eljefe_EeePC>fglrx yes it is
15:43<eljefe_EeePC>okk on my EeePC glxgears with the intel driver gives 450~ fps, so at least its better than that
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15:44<mase>eljefe :D reading the xorg-log-file doesn't show anything?
15:45<mase>eljefe (wow, my laptop tribbles an eee)
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15:46<eljefe_EeePC>Xorg.0.log says stuff, yeah, but nothing that makes any sense to me.
15:46<eljefe_EeePC>nothing saying FAIL
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15:46<mase>eljefe is it telling that the fglrx driver is loaded correctly?
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15:47<eljefe_EeePC>seems to say that, yes mase
15:48<themill>T_X: excellent.
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15:48<mase>eljefe oh, do you have given enough ram on your card for that high res?
15:48<mase>eljefe is it shared ram?
15:48<eljefe_EeePC>256, i hope so!
15:49<eljefe_EeePC>no, its dedicate ram on a PCIexpress card
15:49<eljefe_EeePC>the on-board ATI x200 card could do it, thisis better than that
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15:49<mase>there is a kde application where you can see the available resolutions
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15:50<mase>it was included in the control centre (kcontrol) on kde3. do you just have kde4? (oh, yes, thx themill)
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15:50<themill>no, kde 3.5.9 here
15:51<eljefe_EeePC>yes i have it; it also reports my max at 1024x768
15:51<eljefe_EeePC>sincce its getting its info from xrandr i would bet
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15:51<mase>yes, of course
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15:53<pumpkin0>eljefe_EeePC: and you tried the opensoucre radeonHD driver?
15:53<eljefe_EeePC>the ATI control app gui also tells e that is the highest
15:54<eljefe_EeePC>yeah but no 3d nor tvout
15:54<eljefe_EeePC>but the resolution is right
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15:55<vexue>can anyone tell me how to convert or extract daa file?
15:55<mase>eljefe i red a howto, having an xorg.conf with a line ' Option "NoDCC" "true"' in the "device" section
15:56<mase>eljefe have you set a mode in the config file?
15:56<eljefe_EeePC>i have to, but i never saw the "true" part, lemme try that
15:57<vexue>ill click around more,thanks anyway
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15:58<eljefe_EeePC>yeah, unable to start x with that line, mase
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15:58<eljefe_EeePC>oh i misspelled it; ok working, still wrong resolution
15:58<eljefe_EeePC>but x comes up
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16:00<pumpkin0>eljefe_EeePC: can you put your xorg.conf and xorg log into a pastebin?
16:00<eljefe_EeePC>yep one moment
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16:02<eljefe>mase xorg.conf: and Xorg.0.log:
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16:02<eljefe_EeePC>sorry for the two 'users'
16:02<eljefe_EeePC>since that machine keeps getting X restarted, i am working here; but the pastebinit was easier on that machine
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16:03<eljefe_EeePC>pumpkin0: my pastebin entries ^^
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16:04<pumpkin0>eljefe_EeePC: got it, and it looks OK ...
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16:04<mase>eljefe is it really 1440 and not 1400?
16:05<eljefe_EeePC>yeah i am pretty certain; is 1400x900 a common res?
16:05<dondelelcaro>1440x900 isn't that unusual
16:06<dondelelcaro>(for laptop screens, anyway)
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16:06<pumpkin0>eljefe_EeePC: run "aticonfig --query-monitor". Do you see anything unusual ß
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16:07<eljefe_EeePC>this is a desktop but shouldn't matter. ok one moment on that run
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16:08<mase>thats strange... nothing above 1024 x 768 is even mentioned in the log file
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16:08<eljefe_EeePC>i wonder if its just a bad driver that has an error
16:08<pumpkin0>mase: yes, the DPMS-data contains only 640, 800 and 1024...
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16:09<eljefe_EeePC>arg now i cannot even get to a tty
16:09<eljefe_EeePC>and i cannot seem to ssh into it with the EeePC
16:10<eljefe_EeePC>well. reboot time i guess.
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16:11<eljefe_EeePC>i should have just got NVidia card; closed drivers also but they work!
16:11<mase>thats right...
16:12<grummund_>hi, anyone know if it's possible to attach a file when using bugreport in text mode?
16:12<mase>what bugreport?
16:12<ameyer>actually, nvidia's drivers seem to have taken a bit of a nosedive recently...
16:13<the-me>grummund_, if you mean the debian bts => yes.
16:13<eljefe_EeePC>and intel makes no pci cards? they're drivers always work
16:13*grummund_ is using bugreport package to report a bug
16:13<mase>eljefe they are open (intel)
16:13<grummund_>should i just submit the report then go into bts web-interface and attach the file there?
16:15<eljefe_EeePC>this almost makes me want to install (!!) ubuntu just to get the xorg bs correct, although the driver itself may be my issue
16:15<ansgar>grummund_: reportbug asks if you want to attach a file after entering the report.
16:15<mase>eljefe well, there are some binarie fglrx deb-packages for debian too
16:15<grummund_>ansgar: it didn't ask, but i found the 'a' option. thanks
16:16<grummund_>using text mode
16:16<eljefe_EeePC>yeah i've tried that with m-a a-i fglrx
16:16<mase>eljefe no, directly. in the testing repo
16:16<ansgar>grummund_: That's what I meant. Maybe calling it "asking" is a bit much ;-)
16:16<eljefe_EeePC>it installs, sure. but the ATI graphical setup for dual monitors is pretty bad i feel
16:17<eljefe_EeePC>what would that benefit be, are they different drivers in experemental?
16:17<mase>i don't know
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16:19<mase>? there are no ati-driver in experimantal? (fglrx-driver just in testing)
16:20<grummund_>ansgar: you know much about bugreport? i would like to update the email address it's using for me
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16:20<johnfg>hi folks
16:20<mase>eljefe well, at last you could try a ubuntu/knoppix boot cd to see what thay are doing, but i don't think they are using the proprietary drivers
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16:21<johnfg>I'm coming from Fedora 9, so I'm unsure of a few things(probably more than a few, actually).
16:21<eljefe_EeePC>yeah i think the livecds use Free drivers
16:21<johnfg>How do I start and stop services? In fedora I either run system-config-services, or select it from the admin menu.
16:21<eljefe_EeePC>heya johnfg get your repos worked out all right?
16:21<jeff_hann>johnfg, what desktop environment?
16:22<johnfg>eljefe_EeePC, no, not quite; jeff_hann : gnome.
16:22<johnfg>eljefe_EeePC, I DID have it pretty much worked out, but tried to install lenny, it got hung, and went back to etch.
16:22<jackyf>johnfg: invoke-rc.d
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16:22<jackyf>(start and and stop services)
16:22<cyorxamp>Hey, when I first installed Lenny... the network manager icon said I was connected... one day I had to go on static IP mode - later I went back to dhcp... and ever since it claims I've no network connection, when in fact I do have... any fix for this?
16:22<jeff_hann>or aptitude install sysvconfig
16:23<mase>johnfg normally on console with an command like "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"...
16:23<ansgar>grummund_: ~/.reportbugrc
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16:23<grummund_>ansgar: aha... thank you
16:24<johnfg>OK, thanks for that. Would some kind soul please repost the additional repos for debian? I think the ones I had added were multimedia, and contrib non something?
16:25<jeff_hann>and contrib non-free
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16:25<eljefe_EeePC>johnfg i had pastebinned it for you, sorry tho i no longer know that link
16:26<mase>[22:02] <eljefe> mase xorg.conf: and Xorg.0.log:
16:26<eljefe_EeePC>no, a few days ago, of sources.list
16:26<mase>ups, sorry
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16:26<johnfg>eljefe_EeePC, Yeah, I wasn't too swift in not taking a scree shot or at least writing it down. Not sure why lenny got hung up, but sorry for asking again.
16:27<eljefe_EeePC>no worry
16:27<eljefe_EeePC>yeah i've not had any failoe dist-upgrades to lenny, odd
16:28<johnfg>I thought maybe it was the dvd I burned, but it checked out fine. lenny hung at the software selection, right before grub installation.
16:28<johnfg>But then it wouldn't install grub either at that point.
16:28<mase>scratched dvd?
16:28<eljefe_EeePC>ah this is from a lenny install, gotcha
16:29<eljefe_EeePC>i meant, from a etch install >> lenny; but i've had successful lenny installs also
16:29<johnfg>So is there a way to upgrade etch to lenny?
16:29<johnfg>I'm game, since it's a brand new install anyway.
16:29<eljefe_EeePC>change your sources.list from 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny' then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
16:29<mase>johnfg yes, where is the problem?
16:29<eljefe_EeePC>it'll take some time tho
16:30<johnfg>OK, eljefe_EeePC , I'll give that a try.
16:30<johnfg>mase, the problem was that I got a red screen saying that installation failed, and it was while installing packages. They'd download or copy fine, but then it would hang again.
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16:32<mase>johnfg it should not hang...:D, may be there is another failure? i never got that and i did it like eljefe told many times
16:32<mase>oh, wrong sentence, sorry, i did it many times, eljefe told it just above
16:33<mase>johnfg what was the red screen telling exactly?
16:33<johnfg>Any drawback to doing the upgrade to lenny through the sources.list?
16:33<torrr>anyone knows what drdb is called in dibianish?
16:34<mase>johnfg you can just add a line like "deb testing main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:34<eljefe_EeePC>add? i wouldn't want to 'mix' repos (testing and stable)
16:34<mase>eljefe thats no problem
16:34<eljefe_EeePC>well, unless you're willing to fight it when it urts ya
16:36<mase>eljefe for example you even "have" to add experimental to testing because some packages are missing in experimental (got from stable). but thats another story...
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16:36<mase>eljefe mixing stable and testing is absolutely ok (my opinion, never got problems)
16:37<eljefe_EeePC>me either but i try to keep only one enabled anyways, after warnings from others :D
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16:38<johnfg>mase, So, in the line you suggested adding, does testing 'take the place' of either etch or lenny? Or does testing = lenny?
16:38<eljefe_EeePC>currently, testing = lenny
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16:39<eljefe_EeePC>in a fe months, stable = lenny
16:39<eljefe_EeePC>i'd keep 'testing' in there since its always newer than the stable, and no need to worry about chanign names
16:39<mase>so testing will always be testing...
16:39<johnfg>OK, I did the update, now for the dist-upgrade.
16:39<amp>eljefe_EeePC: trying to diagnose a possible bug in pidgin, can you please repeat your message from 23:29:35 (UTC +3)?
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16:40<amp>eljefe_EeePC: *without* mentioning my nick
16:40<eljefe_EeePC>when i said \\failed ?
16:40<amp>eljefe_EeePC: nope, the one with the sources.list changes
16:41<eljefe_EeePC>ok one moment
16:41<eljefe_EeePC>change your sources.list from 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny' then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
16:42<amp>eljefe_EeePC: thanks a lot
16:42<eljefe_EeePC>what does pidgin do ?
16:42<Nemoder>instant messaging
16:42<amp>eljefe_EeePC: pidgin acts as if you had mentioned my nick (or I'm totaly blind and there is an 'amp' somewhere)
16:42<eljefe_EeePC>i know that, i wonder what the bug is
16:43<amp>Nemoder: irc too :D
16:43<eljefe_EeePC>there is ;) & is 'amp' = 'ampersand'
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16:43<Nemoder>heh sorry i missed that above message
16:43<amp>eljefe_EeePC: oh, never thought of that, will change my nick
16:44-!-amp is now known as amp_
16:44<eljefe_EeePC>i'd report the bug tho since it wasn' actually 'said'
16:44<amp_>eljefe_EeePC: yup, only a temporary workaround :)
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16:45<eljefe_EeePC>&_ lol
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16:45<amp_>eljefe_EeePC: that didn't trigger it
16:45<mase>normally its a &.old
16:45<eljefe_EeePC>i tried
16:46<amp_>eljefe_EeePC: more data for the bug :D
16:46<Nemoder>probably because it add's a ; between amp and _
16:46<mase>? i don't get you all
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16:47<Nemoder>it sounds like pidgen does the nick highlight after it converts to html output rather than before
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16:49<mase>is it about the old joke "do you really want to name your child "DROP TABLE *;" ?
16:49<Nemoder>amp_: just be glad you didn't choose gt or lt for a nick or every message would highlight :)
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16:51<joedalton>i've got a little question, where can I put a mounting point for backup harddrive without breaking anything ?
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16:51<petemc>joedalton: /mnt/foo
16:51<mase>joedalton ??? anywhere you want? like /backup ?
16:52<joedalton>i can create a folder like that?
16:52<eljefe_EeePC>arg. well, i *think* i am currently using the radeonhd driver, but how would i check that?
16:52<joedalton>ok thx you
16:52<mase>of course, but don't use /bin!
16:52<joedalton>of course
16:52<mase>use /usr/bin ;)
16:53<eljefe_EeePC>aah no, joedalton
16:53<mase>eljefe the log say you are using that driver
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16:53<eljefe_EeePC>thanks i'll check that then
16:53<mase>eljefe oh, sorry, whats radeonhd?
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16:54<eljefe_EeePC>its the Free ATI driver from xorg
16:55<mase>ah, sorry, but the log shows... (formerly it was fglrx, on your side)
16:56<simonrvn>s/the Free/a Free/
16:56<mase>oh, thats right!
16:57<eljefe_EeePC>yeah the fglrx won't give me the right resolution, so i am using Radeon. or trying to.
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16:59<mase>torrr what is drdb?
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16:59<joedalton>if I want them to always mount is it safe to edit fstab and add them to it?
16:59<torrr>it is some mirroring scheme between servers
16:59<torrr>it is supposed to be in backports, but I can'tfind it
17:00<mase>joedalton yes, in the case it is always available (at boot time)
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17:00<mase>joedalton in the case it is not (hotplugged) you have to change a parameter in the line in fstab
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17:01<joedalton>yes they should always be there but it is possible that they are not
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17:01<joedalton>what is this special parameter?
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17:01<mase>joedalton no problem, mom
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17:01<joedalton>ok i'll try that thx
17:02<mase>joedalton i think it was to change the last column to "0" (pass)
17:02<joedalton>is mom an option?
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17:03<path>where can I find the git tool for debian amd64 ?
17:03<mase>joedalton no, mom means "one moment please"
17:03<path>seems it doesnt exist at all
17:03<path>at least in lenny
17:03<joedalton>ok then only to skip the fsck at the boot then?
17:03<mase>joedalton (the "0") so it won't "hold" if it does not exissst, but it may be that it won't mount it at boot time, sorry, don't know exactly
17:04<path>never mind I found it :)
17:04<joedalton>no for that i'm sure it's the order of fsck command
17:04<joedalton>i've recently has bug with this grmbl
17:04<mase>joedalton no, i had to change that on an server
17:05<mase>joedalton in one case it did not boot up any more (if the drive did not exist)
17:05<dondelelcaro>Wyzard: things that are installed by the standard set after debootstrap should be marked as automatically installed
17:05<mase>joedalton it was not about fsck (directly)
17:06<simonrvn>mase: that's why there's manual pages, so you do know. man fstab
17:06<joedalton>ho ok thx
17:06<joedalton>i'll verify anyway if it boot or not :)
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17:37<Cribozai>Need help using setting up pand. bnep0 interface does not show up on ifconfig
17:38<Cribozai>something distribution specific with pand on debian?
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17:46<rickbot>might help
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17:46<johnfg>What version of gnome is the latest available for lenny (or etch)? I just note that 2.24 is released.
17:46<Cribozai>rickbot: Thanks for attempt, but i have read them inside out. And it still is not working
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17:47<Cribozai>johnfg: 2.22.3 i think
17:47<Cribozai>for lenny
17:48<Cribozai>atleast, thats the one you will find in the repos
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18:00<moornull>any ideas why a firefox install using wine would just hang and not do anything?
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18:01<rickbot>why do you need wine for firefox?
18:02<nifan>because all the planets align tomorrow, and firefox only works if installed through wine in that days
18:02<rickbot>ah... k, installing wine
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18:07<moornull>cause i wanna
18:07<moornull>it should work. i'm just trying to figure out if there a way to troubleshoot why an application is not working with wine.
18:08<bbelt16ag>what's a good wirless scanner
18:08<bbelt16ag>for linux
18:08<goshawk>iwlist scan
18:09<bbelt16ag>can't find it
18:10<goshawk>open a terminal emulator
18:10<goshawk>and type iwlist scan
18:11<goshawk>as root
18:11<bbelt16ag> oh...
18:11<goshawk>of course
18:11<bbelt16ag>I thought it was something I needed to download..
18:11<bbelt16ag>cool beans I am up and running
18:12<moornull>so, firefox
18:13<goshawk>why do you want install firefox using wine?
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18:14<moornull>[15:02] <moornull> cause i wanna
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18:15<goshawk>i think is not a good idea
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18:16<moornull>some plugins can only be installed on the windows version
18:16<goshawk>if you are using debian you can simply install iceweasel
18:17<goshawk>is a fork of firefox
18:17<goshawk>what kind of plugins?
18:17<Cribozai>moornull, what plugins do you mean?
18:18<Cribozai>flash or java problems?
18:21<Cribozai>i made flash work perfectly with iceweasel
18:21<goshawk>are you running debian X86 ?
18:21<Cribozai>even newest java works
18:21<goshawk>yes, it works great
18:21<moornull>not for me
18:21<Cribozai>you got x86?
18:21<themill>etch or lenny?
18:22<themill>!adobe flash
18:22<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
18:22<goshawk>yes what?
18:23<themill>moornull: just install the debian package for it from either or dmm.
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18:23<genpfault>Debian Lenny, amd64: I'm trying to recompile a kernel module with a small patch
18:24<genpfault>make clean oldconfig prepare
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18:24<genpfault>make drivers/net/sis190.ko
18:24<goshawk>in debian amd64 you can use nspluginwrapper
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18:24<rickbot>i have firefox 3 running on etch w/flash and everything works fine. just had to give it its own gtk
18:25<genpfault>but when I go to instmod I get an "Invalid module format", and "no symbol version for struct_module" in dmesg
18:26<genpfault>4-5 months ago that procedure worked fine; what do I need to do to get it work again?
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18:32<goshawk>why you dont try nspluginwrapper?
18:32<goshawk>on lenny amd64
18:33<genpfault>I'm not sure how that would help
18:34<goshawk>this wrapper alows you to install netscape x86 plugins on amd64
18:35<genpfault>I'm not seeing anything relating to recompiling the sis190 network driver though
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18:36<themill>goshawk: I think your talking to the wrong person -- it was moornull that was asking about plugins
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18:42<genpfault>I thought it might have had something to do with the gcc 4.3/4.1 mismatch that the nvidia binary installer complains about, but prepending each of the makes with CC=gcc-4.1 didn't have any effect
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18:57<ajzimmerman>Wow. This is desolate compared to ubuntu irc
18:57<ajzimmerman>my type of place. ;D
18:58<Speedboy>haha, it is pretty quiet here indeed
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18:59<ajzimmerman>Speedboy, would you be so kind as to point me in the right direction for obtaining the gpg key for etch main?
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19:04<Speedboy>ajzimmerman, does this link help you?
19:06<ajzimmerman>it's too complicated.
19:06<ajzimmerman>I'm used to having it all simple. Copy paste. copy paste.
19:06<ajzimmerman>Umm, you have your repos, and keys ?
19:06<ajzimmerman>I don't understand
19:06<ajzimmerman>Basically Speedboy< Ubuntu Sucks Balls with repos. Everything is out of date.
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19:07<ajzimmerman>I'd like to add debian repos. That's my mission.
19:07<ajzimmerman>Also, all I know.
19:07<ajzimmerman>So, yeah...
19:07<Speedboy>you want to add debian repos to ubuntu?
19:07<Speedboy>woew sounds dangerous
19:08<adb_>next boot will be Debian
19:08<rickbot>ajzimmerman: you will srew your system that way. if you want debian, just install debian
19:09<adb_>and next install will be Debian , too
19:09<ajzimmerman>I think that's ... kind of . :D
19:09<ajzimmerman>Sidux sound like a good recommendation ?
19:09<adb_>after srew, i means
19:09<ajzimmerman>Runs off those repos right?
19:09<adb_> *screw
19:10<Speedboy>you are running hardy now?
19:10<ajzimmerman>Yeh Speedboy
19:10<adb_>thx rickbot
19:10<ajzimmerman>By the way, thanks for the help.
19:10<ajzimmerman>Umm, at least I get a response out of you people.
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19:10<ajzimmerman>Ubuntu is like....talking to a tornado.
19:11<rickbot>i used sidux for a good while, things ocasianally break but its usually caught by the team and measures taken before problems happen
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19:11<ajzimmerman>But they use the same repositories right rickbot ?
19:11<rickbot>dist-upgrade periodically and you always have the newest versions of everything. its great
19:11<ajzimmerman>Ok, I'll just do plain Debian then.
19:12<rickbot>sidux uses debian 'sid' repos
19:12<ajzimmerman>'unstable' = sid right?
19:12<Speedboy>sidux uses the unstable repos of debian, but with extra patches i think
19:12<themill>sidux is not debian and is not supported in #debian
19:13<ajzimmerman>Ok. Thanks to you Speedboy, rickbot, adb, and themill.
19:13<ajzimmerman>I will now reboot into debian.
19:13<Speedboy>you have debian installed too?
19:13<rickbot>they use shell scripts etc. to avoid the breakages that happen is sid from time to time
19:14<rickbot>if theres a bad package in sid, it will just get held until the problem is fixed
19:14<ajzimmerman>No, I meant put the cd in and install Speedboy
19:14<ajzimmerman>Ok, yeah, everything is so much more up to date on your repos.
19:14<ajzimmerman>God, ubuntu is so behind.
19:14<ajzimmerman>It's lame.
19:15<ajzimmerman>Like in 10 days, their latest will be out, and... it's so buggy.
19:15<ajzimmerman>(From what I hear)... Adobe flash problems, random bad crap.
19:15<Speedboy>i haven't tried 8.10 yet
19:16<ajzimmerman>I was in their irc, listening to all the mods talk about it.
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19:17<Speedboy>good luck with the install btw
19:17<ajzimmerman>Yeh, I'm just movin config files over to other hd for the switch. :D
19:18<ajzimmerman>Well, thanks a lot. I like this channel better.
19:18<ajzimmerman>Way better.
19:18<ModestUser>Hi! Is there a clean/recommended way to remove all debconf entries for a package?
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19:20<Nemoder>ModestUser: apt-get remove --purge <package> ?
19:22<ModestUser>I would like to keep the package of course.
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19:22<Nemoder>hm, well purge and then reinstall i guess
19:23<Speedboy>got 2 go, have fun!
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19:25<Nemoder>ModestUser: or if you just want to rewrite the config you can try dpkg-reconfigure <package>
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19:47<InkBottle>I want to print a file through a2ps but it complains that it's a binary file though it's not.
19:48<InkBottle>but file says 'data'
19:49<themill>InkBottle: does it have lots of strange bytes in it? What encoding is it in?
19:49<mikegrb>is there a non printable character in the first few bytes?
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19:51<InkBottle>themill: ok, I checked with hd.. it's got some zeros (not ascii) :)
19:51<themill>that will do it
19:51<InkBottle>and it's a bug of what I'm doing so thank you very much :)
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20:39<kop>Is there something in iceweasel that will let me look at a website's certificate?
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20:42<abrotman>yeah .. click on the lock of whatever itis
20:43<kop>abrotman : Thanks. I knew there was something.
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20:43<kop>abrotman : Does not seem to work. I'm using etch.
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20:44<abrotman>kop: double click it?
20:44<abrotman>kop: whichlock are you clicking ?
20:44<kop>abrotman : I'll try. Meanwhile, I've found it under tools->pageinfo
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20:45<kop>abrotman : The one in the lower right.
20:45<abrotman>i meant hte one in the URL bar
20:45<abrotman>i think there's a lock at the end?
20:45<abrotman>been awhile since i used IW2
20:46<abrotman>yeah .. in IW3 .. you can double click on the lock
20:46<kop>abrotman : Double clicking on the lock does seem to work.
20:48<Khwerz>mayb theres a plugin?
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20:49<ajzimmerman>Would I be misled at saying there's no firefox in synaptic?
20:50<abrotman>it's called iceweasel
20:50<ajzimmerman>But that's a different program isn't it abrotman
20:50<abrotman>!tell ajzimmerman about iceweasel
20:51<ajzimmerman>thanks abrotman
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21:13<ajzimmerman>Hi, I have two hard drives formatted as reiserfs. I visited with my problem, but. I'm not able to mount these. Whole error: libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
21:13<ajzimmerman>process 3806: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
21:13<ajzimmerman>error: device /dev/sdb1 is not removable
21:13<ajzimmerman>error: could not execute pmount
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21:15<ajzimmerman>Hi I'm getting this error when trying to mount reiserfs hd's.
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21:28<ajzimmerman>As soon as I install Debian I'm getting errors. I cannot mount any of my other hard drives.
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21:31<ajzimmerman>Why can't I mount any of my hardrives?
21:32<ajzimmerman>I'm getting this error:
21:32<amphi>pmount is for removable devices only
21:33<ajzimmerman>All I'm doing is clicking on the icon amphi
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21:33<amphi>I know nothing of icons
21:33<ajzimmerman>My computer:
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21:33<ajzimmerman>You mount manually?
21:34<ajzimmerman>Every time?
21:34<ajzimmerman>Is that close to efficient?
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21:34<ajzimmerman>Why is my clicking on a non-removable by default hard drive implement the pmount removable drive function?
21:35<amphi>I have no idea - I don't use such things
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21:36<blal>did he ask about a desktop environment like KDE or GNOME? If not, he best not ask about double-clicking.
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21:36<amphi>I assume so
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21:43<blal>why hi there
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21:45<cyber>why not
21:46<blal>ok go ahead
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21:53<cyber>how can i boot in diferend runlevel
21:53<blal>linux differentrunlevel
21:53<blal>ie linux `
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21:53<blal>linux 1
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21:55*blal slaps cyber with a wet trout.
21:58<adb>need to mount a partition marked: Id=63 System= GNU HURD or SysV , maybe was used on SCO OS
21:59<blal>what filesystem is installed on it?
22:00<adb>that's the question ...
22:00<adb>i dunno
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22:01<blal>adb: did you obtain the hard disk legally?
22:02<adb>was in a trush
22:03<blal>trush = trash
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22:04<blal>so you went dumpster diving... well it may be HTFS or maybe possibly another fs type...
22:04<blal>weirdest website evar, possibly computer-generated: (it's on-topic!)
22:05<adb>tks blal
22:05<blal>could be eafs
22:06<adb>unknown fs ...
22:07<blal>this could be a red herring:
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22:08<blal>Ya might have to patch the kernel to mount SCO filesystems. Happy Googling.
22:09<adb>thanks blal
22:10<abrotman>it's not UFS ?
22:10<adb>no, is not
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22:11<pgpkeys>ok, I have a problem with bugzilla3 ( It is unable to create /var/lib/bugzilla3/data/bugzilla-update.xml. the dir perms are 770, ownership is www-data:www-data. apache2 is running as www-data. I can su - www-data and touch text.txt in that dir and rm test.txt just fine.
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22:12<pgpkeys>I did a chmod 777 on /var/lib/bugzilla3/data as a test and it _still_ could not create the file (according to the web page)
22:12<adb>sweet : mount -t ufs -o ufstype=sun|sunx86|44bsd|ufs2|5xbsd|old|hp|nextstep|nextstep-cd|openstep ..
22:13<adb>>WARNING<<< Wrong ufstype may corrupt your filesystem, default is ufstype=old
22:13<adb>ufs_read_super: bad magic number
22:13<adb>oops ,
22:14<pgpkeys> /var/log/apache2/error.log shows no errors except relating to /var/www/bugzilla3 requests which have to do with theme files (css and the like, they don't exist and the errors are expected)
22:14<pgpkeys>any ideas here?
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22:23<panagos>i'm using debian testing, but have also installed some packages from the ubuntu repos, my question is, is there a way to list critical bugs of ubuntu packages when installing/upgrading them? liek what apt-listbugs does for debian packages. thanks!
22:23<abrotman>you would ask #ubuntu
22:24<panagos>abrotman: thanks!
22:26<adb>solved : mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd
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22:27<blal>adb: but nao u cant haxx0r the old data
22:27<adb>yes but a have a usable disk ...
22:28<blal>adb: u weren't trying to recover the data? omfg. you can pretty much just repartition and reformat it.
22:28<blal>adb; wouldn't that be mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1 ?
22:28<abrotman>tried 'file' yet?
22:30<adb>it not complained : warning: 232 blocks unused
22:31<adb>apparently i'm not tried 'file'...
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22:32<panagos>is there anywhere i can find debian packages for the realtime linux kernel, ie compiled with the rt patch applied?
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22:38<blal>wtf does file have to do w/ anything?
22:38<dpkg>it has been said that google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at
22:39<blal>!tell panagos about google
22:39<panagos>blal: i've searched already........
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22:40<blal>You could always patch the kernel and compile.
22:41<panagos>blal: i tried, but is was a complete mess! plus, i couldn't get the nvidia kernel interface to compile afterwards :|
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22:48<panagos>i think i'll try the kernel from 64studio, though i fear it won't work with my stat controller.... (debian stock 2.6.24, at least, couldn't)
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22:57*blal afk forever.
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23:01<pgpkeys>ok, in an update to my earlier problem.. I ran strace -o ~/apache2strace.txt -f /usr/sbin/apache2ctl start and reloaded the bugzilla3 index.cgi page which is complaining that it is unable to create bugzilla-update.xml
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23:03<dpkg>gnome is, like, a Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are KDE and XFCE) - see a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status>
23:03<rotciv>!install gnome
23:03<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
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23:10<rotciv>hello. i'm downloading gnome and i want to know if i could remove XFCE after completely changing for gnome?
23:11<path>yes you could
23:12<rotciv>path, but doing so wouldn't cause any problem?
23:12<path>be careful then :-)
23:13<rotciv>path, yea
23:13<chealer>!msg the bot
23:13<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
23:14<rotciv>path, XFCE can be removed typing "dpkg --purge xfce" ?
23:15<dpkg>rumour has it, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins.
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23:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
23:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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23:23<dpkg>rumour has it, gnome is a Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are KDE and XFCE) - see a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status>
23:23<dpkg>window manager is probably a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".
23:24<kop>How would I find out what certificate authorites are included in iceweasel? (I've gone looking at and don't see a list.)
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23:24<kop>!tell rotciv -about msg
23:26<rotciv>kop, i'm sorry. gonna do this
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23:51<chealer>kop: Preferences -> Advanced -> Show certificates -> Authorities
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