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---Logopened Wed Oct 22 00:00:13 2008
00:01<sinisterporpoise> blast swear I installed that
00:01<sinisterporpoise>what am I missing?
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00:19<shizzlemeh>what's a command-line encryption program I could use that works in linux and windows?
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01:41<raevol>could anyone reccomend a scp gui for using in xfce?
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01:42<jm_>you don't know how to search debian packages?
01:43<raevol>i do, i was curious if anyone had one they liked
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01:43<raevol> doesn't give opinions
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01:43<raevol>.org, w/e
01:44<Nemoder>raevol: apt-cache search scp
01:44<raevol>:] lol
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02:27<dgodfather>hi to all, i want to run a process through ssh and immediatly return with the process id
02:28<dgodfather>i already have the cli machanism to run a remote ssh command and get the output back
02:28<dgodfather>my problem is thati can't the command's pid
02:28<dgodfather>i wan't to achive something like: /script | echo $!
02:29<dgodfather>that will give me an output of the pid for the script process but trying to do so ends with a bash syntax error
02:29<dgodfather>can anyone help me please
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02:49<oipunx>what codec do i need to play mts files
02:50<oipunx>on mplayer
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03:02<oipunx>nvm i got it
03:02<ike>uhm, i cant type su in a terminal anymore. when i get to the "u" the x terminal exits
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03:05<ike>this is the weirdest
03:05<ike>works in a true terminal
03:05<ike>what setting in hell did i trigger
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03:06<oipunx>.wz 30332
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03:09<blue32]>Any word no Lenny?
03:10<blue32]>any word on lenny
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03:12<stew>blue32]: /msg dpkg lenny status
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03:18<ike>heh, my terminal wont let me use u
03:18<ike>" u "
03:18<ike>at all
03:18<ike>how is that possible
03:18<gef>which terminal?
03:18<ike>any x term
03:18<ike>i htink
03:18<gef>xterm, gnome-terminal, kterm, aterm, eterm? :)
03:19<blue32]>wow is this the wrong chanel to ask such questions,yall are not a very friendly crowd.Sorry but ya have so many people here but nobody seems to answer any questions i ask here,That may have some reason why Debian is only ^ on Distro watch.Im being critical,iknow and yall have the best linux distro of all.But people need to feel they are being listened to But im sorry i have yet to get that kind of attention on this channel.dont get me wrong,
03:19<blue32]>if it wasnt for yall we would be way back,but it pains me that yall seem to ignore the people who could put ya to the top.
03:19<ike>gef, gnome-terminal
03:19<ike>xterm works
03:19<gef>right-click & check your shortcut keys, maybe something went awry somewhere ike
03:19<stew>blue32]: i tried to answer the only question that you asked. did you have other questions?
03:20<ike>ah yes, close tab = u
03:20<blue32]>stew: sorry wait a sec ive been typing quit a bit
03:20<blue32]>stew: thanks stew
03:20<ike>my fragile world is saved =)
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03:23<gef>sounds like 'some small-tours'
03:25<blue32]>Debian is Linux,Sidux is Linux on Steroids
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03:32<enouf>and x,S is lack of proper punctuation
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03:43<Pipesmoker>good morning! Anyone knows what 'aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring' means?
03:44<Pipesmoker>I want to test some KDE4 and that's why I installed Lenny on an other computer... just for testing and developing
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03:50<beer>Pipesmoker: there is 2 ways to install kde 4 when using Debian atm. Here is 2 links to help you:
03:50<beer>personligt I have been using the guide to use the kde4 in experimental
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03:51<Pipesmoker>well, yes, I already install kde4, that's not the problem. But when I boot, I get the message 'aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring' what does it mean and how can I solve it?
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03:51<Pipesmoker>I have never used lenny before, I just used Etch on my laptop and desktop.
03:52<beer>I dont know. I did not have that problem
03:53<beer>if you only want to test kde 4 you can also try kubuntu 8.10 beta (th rc should come tomorrow)
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03:53<jm_>Pipesmoker: where do you see that?
03:54<beer>personly I dont find kde 4.1 ready for my desktop (but 4.2 proberbly will)
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03:58<Pipesmoker>no no, I want to have my own 'test-computer' :-)
03:58<Pipesmoker>Well, I see that when I boot, the first line after grub
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04:01<bighornram>I'm getting an error about dhcdbd: message_handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.nis_servers what does this mean?
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04:04<enouf>Pipesmoker: sounds like a memory hole remap issue - check your BIOS settings for aperture and i/o memory holes
04:04<enouf>Pipesmoker: also - depends on which arch/kernel/+parameters you're using
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04:07<Pipesmoker>@enouf: I use AMD64, kernel is 2.6.26-1-amd64. I used this machine with Debian Etch, too. But there I had no Error like this
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04:08<enouf>Pipesmoker: how much ram is installed?
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04:09<enouf>try passing it this boot option; iommu=noaperture
04:10<enouf>Pipesmoker: any AGP? or PCIe only? also could try 'noagp'
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04:12<Pipesmoker>Well, I have AGP only
04:13<enouf>Pipesmoker: if your BIOS did have any memory hole remapping above the 4GB boundary (highmem), then with amd64/x86_64 arch, you could disable that now, since PAE is non-existant in your 64bit system
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04:14<enouf>that's older - hehe - amd64 cpu? (s754 or s939)? or an intel?
04:15<Pipesmoker>mmh, I could exchange the ram... but this will take a while. I don't no the exactl name of my cpu, I have to research, but it's an amd64
04:15<enouf>exchange the RAM? who said anything about that?
04:16<enouf>cat /proc/cpuinfo - etc
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04:17<Pipesmoker>okay, what information of cpuinfo do you need?
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04:18<Pipesmoker>cpu family: 15
04:18<Pipesmoker>model: 39
04:18<Pipesmoker>model name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
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04:19<enouf>welp, it's a amd64 alright
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04:24<enouf>amd doesn't use iommu IINM, so you might even try iommu=off or others - but whats
04:24<enouf>wrong anyway?
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04:26<Pipesmoker>okay, I have to boot with iommu=off?
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04:27<sangi1>hi all
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04:28<sangi1>how to upgrade the kernel in debian-installer
04:28<enouf>Pipesmoker: that would be one option - but check the BIOS when you powercycle
04:28<enouf>Pipesmoker: here's more about all that
04:28<enouf>sangi1: is network working?
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04:29<petemc>sangi1: /msg dpkg custom netinst
04:29<enouf>sangi1: try alt-f2 ; apt-get install linux-image-vesion
04:30<Pipesmoker>thank you enouf
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04:30<sangi1>sangi1, i have downloaded debian-installer source from etch
04:31<sangi1>i want to upgrade its kernel version to 2.6.26
04:32<petemc>check to see if someones done that already
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04:34<jm_>sangi1: d-i docs explain how to do it
04:34<enouf>sangi1: well to get a .26 with etch, you'll need etch-backports mirror
04:35<enouf>or ... start with a .26, if kmuto did one
04:35<enouf>!tell sangi1 -about ig
04:35<sangi1>enouf, i would also like to add a local mirror in the choose-mirror list
04:35<sangi1>how could i do it
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04:37<enouf>i'm not sure offhand .. but other options might/would be apt-cdrom, and apt-zip
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04:37<sangi1>enouf, i heard that the mirror should be added in the Mirror-list file
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04:38<enouf>from a birdy? :-)
04:38<sangi1>but there is no such file in the d-i
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04:42<chenye>hello everyone
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04:42<chenye>may I ask a question about : debian-cd?
04:43<donny>chenye: yes
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04:43<donny>/nick cheyne
04:44<donny>/nick cheney
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04:54<trueno>Hi! I have just upgraded to 2.6.27, but can't manage iptables to work again. There is a problem with "-m state --state ...": I get an error message: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. How can I solve it? I have run ...
04:54<trueno>through compiling the kernel again, but can't find if there is any module I may lack. Please, anyone?
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04:56<trueno>jm_ I guess I have it: cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_STATE
05:00<trueno>jm_ Where could I find info on that? I find nothing!
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05:01<jm_>trueno: info on what?
05:01<bitches>how do i get the "darkrose" theme for etch?
05:01<jm_>trueno: your kernels don't have support for /proc/config.gz?
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05:03<trueno>jm_ : I don't know what's that :-(
05:03<jm_>trueno: it exposes kernel config through that file
05:03<trueno>jm_ : info on iptables (-m state --state ... rules) + 2.6.27
05:04<jm_>trueno: well man page has info about --state
05:04<trueno>jm_ : How can I find out? I have no config.gz under /proc, but /boot/config-2.6.27
05:05<enouf>which is fine/normal for Debian kernels
05:05<bitches>i guess nobody knows how to get a theme other than the crappy boxxy looking ones
05:05<trueno>jm_ Yes, it's not that I don't know how to set up rules, but that they stopped working after the kernel upgrade
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05:06<enouf>wtf knows
05:06*petern curses an ex-admin who made /boot 15MB
05:06<petern>i'm sure that was fine with 2.2 kernels...
05:07<trueno>annapurna:/usr/src/linux# iptables -t filter -A INPUT -i ppp0 -p icmp -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
05:07<trueno>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
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05:09<pabs>how do I pin experimental so that I upgrade within it but don't upgrade packages to it?
05:10<jm_>trueno: then you are probably missing some kernel options/modules
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05:11<enouf>pabs: you set a very low value for pin priority and install select pkgs using -t experimental
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05:11<enouf>!tell pabs -about pinning
05:12<bitches>gdm = ?
05:12<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer:
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05:13<themill>pabs: to my knowledge, there's no way of actually doing what you want. It's the same with
05:13<pabs>enouf: that dpkg thing needs updating, one of the URLs is broken
05:13<themill>it comes and goes on a regular basis
05:13<bitches>so a gnome color scheme would change the menu bar?
05:13<trueno>jm_ : Must be, but I can't find which ones, nor that I can find info on the issue
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05:15<themill>dpkg pinning =~ s, ,,
05:15<dpkg>that doesn't contain ' ', themill
05:15<themill>dpkg: you're stupid
05:15<dpkg>themill: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
05:15<themill>dpkg pinning =~ s,,,
05:15<dpkg>themill: that doesn't contain ''
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05:16<enouf>trueno: 2 questions; a) didy you run make oldconfig ? and b) what was the last kernel version that worked?
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05:17<trueno>enouf: I run make menuconfig (old kernel ws 2.6.23 and new is 2.6.27)
05:17<enouf>themill: don't feel bad - it took me half-an-hour earlier today to update my pcspkr factoid (couldn't fit all the info into the amt of chars allowed - 500?) :-)
05:18<enouf>trueno: you missed all the newer options/changes
05:18<themill>enouf: yeah... line limit is a problem. It's even more of a problem because when you "tell" the recipient gets "enouf wants you to know " prepended to it which takes up even more characters.
05:18<enouf>trueno: you should run make oldconfig, prior to make menuconfig so you get only the newer changes all upfront
05:18<trueno>enouf: Mmm...
05:19<enouf>trueno: also - go over and earlier versions to see changes in a nutshell
05:19<jm_>trueno: compare the configs
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05:19<enouf>themill: right - haha - and stuff like, "extra, extra, read all about it ..." which is cute - but an issue at times ;-)
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05:20<trueno>enouf: BIG BIG THANKS
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05:20<themill>enouf: yeah, you can kill that off with <reply> (and you need to do so in order for the factoid to make grammatical sense sometimes)
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05:21<enouf>trueno: erm, jm_ helped you moreso ... pass it around ;-)
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05:21<enouf>themill: ahh.. the subtleties :-P
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05:22<trueno>enouf: jm_ sure :-))
05:23<themill>pabs: if you do work that you, please let me know as it's an important problem for people using -- they get no easy security support from apt unless they upgrade everything to packages, which they are recommended to not do.
05:23<pabs>themill: I managed to do what I wanted with this:
05:23<pabs>at least I think it is working
05:23<pabs>yeah, it is working
05:24<themill>pabs: you want "aptitude -t experimental upgrade" to work?
05:25<pabs>no, I want aptitude upgrade to work when I previously did aptitude -t experimental install gimp and a newer version of gimp is now in experimental
05:25<enouf>i would drop experimental down to like 1 or 10 ;-) (depending)
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05:30<pabs>is there a tool that looks at the installed packages and prints the ones that are not the versions in testing, or are not in testing at all?
05:30<themill>!list repositories
05:30<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>
05:31<themill>pabs: ohh that pinning works. Nice :) Thanks! I had pins < 100 based on the old advice on
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05:43<enouf>themill: do you have anything for APT::Default-Release set in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? (just a thought)
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06:05<devout>Whats the best way to list all installed packages sorted by largest first?
06:06<themill>enouf: no. Just pinning, which (thanks to pabs) is now working for me very nicely
06:07<enouf>themill: nice
06:07<petemc>dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n'
06:07<petemc>pipe that to sort
06:11<NinjaMan>devout: aptitude search -F '%p %I' '~i' |grep 'MB\s*$' |sort -n -r -k 2
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06:14<NinjaMan>devout - maybe petemc's way is better, with my method you have to search for kB and B separately, due to the way aptitude outputs sizes!
06:14<NinjaMan>devout: fortunately the lists should be mutually exclusive
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06:15<dgodfather>question, why when i try to run echo using the sh prefix it fails?
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06:15<dgodfather>sh /bin/echo -> syntax error about '('
06:16<dgodfather>and sh '/bin/echo' -> can't open /bin/echo
06:16<dgodfather>BTW of course it's find when i do simply echo
06:16<dgodfather>same for /bin/sleep of course
06:17<koollman>dgodfather: sh isn't a 'prefix', it's a command
06:18<koollman>so, you are running /bin/sh, which is an executable (a shell). it consider that the argument is a shell script and try to execute it
06:18<dgodfather>koollman: yeh i know, i just meant that i am writing it before the command
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06:18<dgodfather>so a command is not a script?
06:18<dgodfather>say, sleep is not a script?
06:18<koollman>an command, or executable, is anything your system can execute.
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06:19<koollman>quite often, a compiled program
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06:19<bitches>i am trying to install an icon package, but it won't install them even after i do everything it says in the help file
06:19<dgodfather>well in that case sleep is a compiled program isn't it?
06:19<koollman>dgodfather: exactly
06:19<dgodfather>so why doesn't it succeed?
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06:19<dgodfather>the sh sleep 5 for example
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06:20<koollman>dgodfather: because it's not a shell script (a text file containing valid shell syntax)
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06:20<dgodfather>koollman: got you.
06:20<bitches>how do i compress a folder into tar.gz?
06:20<dgodfather>10x man
06:20<devout>NinjaMan: petemc's command doesn't list sorted
06:20<koollman>bitches: man tar
06:20<bitches>man tar?
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06:21<petemc>devout: i said pipe to sort
06:21<koollman>yep. that's the command you need to find out
06:21<devout>petemc: I did
06:22<petemc>dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n
06:22<devout>dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort | less
06:22<bitches>so i just type tar /home/xtreme/desktop/file
06:22<devout>Doesn't list in order of size
06:23<petemc>devout: no, sort isnt magic
06:23<adb>bitches: /msg dpkg tar
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06:23<petemc>it cant guess what you want
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06:25<devout>petemc: thanks
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06:35<bitches>that compressing tar files help was NO help
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06:36<@weasel>what did you do?
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06:39<NinjaMan>bitches: tar -cpzvvf <Archive Name>.tar.gz <Folder Path>
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06:39<NinjaMan>[although that may be a bit late as I got dc :)]
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06:39<bitches>howdoes it know where the file is that i want to compress
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06:40<NinjaMan>bitches: <Folder Path> parameter
06:40<bitches>and it will create it to the desktop?
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06:41<NinjaMan>bitches: it will create it wherever <Archive Name> specifies
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06:42<NinjaMan>btiches so e.g. : tar -cpzvvf /home/me/Desktop/mybigassfolder.tar.gz /home/me/mybigassfolder
06:43<NinjaMan>you get it bitches?
06:43<bitches>thank you
06:43<NinjaMan>bitches: yw
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06:46<NinjaMan>bitches: obviously you could use a graphical X client like "File roller" archive manager to do the same thing
06:46<NinjaMan>bitches: if that is easier for you
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06:48<sandman>Are there any other phones that Debian will install onto other than the OpenMoko FreeRunner?
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06:54<bitches>it won't work
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06:55<bitches>tar: hydroxygen.tar.gz: Cannot open: Permission denied
06:55<bitches>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
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06:55<bitches>i tried even su then password
06:55<bitches>then typing it again
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06:57<NinjaMan>bitches: type pwd and tell me what directory you are currently in
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06:58<NinjaMan>bitches: did you add the debian bit at the front when you pasted it to irc?
06:59<NinjaMan>bitches: hmmmm :-? is this a remote system?
06:59<bitches>i have dual boot
06:59<bitches>and i letitgo to debian etch thingy
07:00<bitches>there is a (single user) option to but i've never been on it
07:00<NinjaMan>bitches: type ls -l ../
07:01<NinjaMan>and tell me what the permissions on xtreme are
07:01<bitches>drwxr-xr-x 26 xtreme xtreme 4096 2008-10-22 05:56 xtreme
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07:02<NinjaMan>and you are logged in as xtreme?
07:03<NinjaMan>bitches: c+p the full command you typed for the tar
07:03<bitches>my admin and root passwords are the same
07:03<bitches>xtreme@debian:~$ tar czf hydroxygen.tar.gz /home/xtreme/Desktop/hydroxygen/
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07:05<NinjaMan>bitches: is the mount point under which your xtreme directory is, mounted read only?
07:05<bitches>not sure what you mean
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07:07<NinjaMan>btiches type mount
07:07<NinjaMan>bitches to get a list of mount points and pastebin it
07:08<bitches>the only two that aren't enabled is write for others and group
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07:08<bitches>when i go to propeties on the "xtreme" folder on my desktop
07:09<kd>In /etc/apt/source.list, how shall I define an entry to block it from dist-upgrade process?
07:09<NinjaMan>bitches: those are the file and directory permissions
07:10<NinjaMan>I'm talking about the actual mount point / partition configuration
07:10<bitches>how do i get my mount point list
07:10<NinjaMan>bitches: type mount
07:11<NinjaMan>bitches: and the end of each row you will see the mount options in brackets
07:11<NinjaMan>bitches: if one of the options is 'ro' then it is mounted read-only (as opposed to rw - 'read/write')
07:12<bitches>/dev/sda7 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
07:13<bitches>how do i change that?
07:13<NinjaMan>bitches: that should be fine unless an error has occured on /dev/sda7
07:13<NinjaMan>bitches: no need to change
07:13<bitches>then why can't i create a dang tar.gz?
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07:14<NinjaMan>bitches: right now I am shit out of ideas
07:14<bitches>do i need to do this first? --
07:15<bitches>use apt-get install unp; unp
07:15<NinjaMan>bitches: unless of course the hydroxygen file already exists?????
07:16<NinjaMan>bitches: I don't believe you need to use apt-get - tar and gzip should be installed as standard on a debian system
07:16<NinjaMan>bitches: but you will need to make sure the output file does not already exist!
07:17<bitches>even on a net install?
07:17<NinjaMan>bitches: unless you want to append to it - in which case the tar command is different
07:17<bitches>xtreme@debian:~$ tar czf xtremist.tar.gz /home/xtreme/Desktop/hydroxygen/ tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
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07:18<cheikhsow>can someone help me
07:18<bitches>cheikhsow, i hope you have better luck than i do
07:18<NinjaMan>bitches: ? so did hydroxygen.tar.gz already exists!!!?
07:18<NinjaMan>bitches: but it worked when you used xtremist.tar.gx
07:18<bitches>not on the desktop
07:19<bitches>it didn't put anything on my desktop
07:19<NinjaMan>bitches: you are not creating in the desktop!!!!
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07:19<bitches>where am i creating it to?
07:19<NinjaMan>bitches: you are creating in your home directory
07:19<bitches>holy crap
07:19<cheikhsow>i want to know how can i delete directories in linux
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07:19<bitches>there are 5 of them in there
07:20<NinjaMan>bitches: so you good now?
07:20<bitches>yes thanks
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07:20<cheikhsow>it's that possible
07:20<NinjaMan>cheikhsow: use rm -r <directory name>
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07:22<bitches>The file format is invalid
07:22<bitches>maybe i just need .tar?
07:22<NinjaMan>bitches: what told you it was invalid?
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07:22<cheikhsow>thank you it's work
07:22<bitches>that file is an icon package
07:22<NinjaMan>cheikhsow: yw
07:22<bitches>the icon thing in themes said that when i dropped it in there
07:23<NinjaMan>bitches: what on earth are you trying to do??? - you just asked how to create a gzipped tar archive
07:24<bitches>1- the defaut way: compress in tar.gz or tar.bz2 the "hydroxygen" folder you have on your desktop. Once you have compressed the folder, simply drag&drop the new tarball [hydroxygen.tar.gz or hydroxygen.tar.bz2] into the themes window [open it via System > Preferences > Themes]
07:25<NinjaMan>bitches: it is probably to do with the pathname for the files in the archive
07:25<bitches>so keep the hydroxygen.tar.gz?
07:25<NinjaMan>bitches can you untar /gunzip a working theme archive
07:25<NinjaMan>bitches: to see what the structure is like
07:26<NinjaMan>bitches: use tar -t to list the contents of the archive
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07:28<[agatha]>i have a small problem i just installed debian and it is not getting my wireless card
07:28<[agatha]>well as a matter of fact, it says "no network connection"
07:30<NinjaMan>btiches: tar -ztf <gzipped tar theme archive> - to show contents with stored path
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07:32<NinjaMan>bitches: in your current archive every file has a full path - /home/xtreme/Desktop/hydroxygen
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07:33<NinjaMan>bitches: maybe it should just be hydroxygen/....
07:33<bitches>i am so lost
07:33<NinjaMan>bitches: do you have an example of a working theme archive?
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07:34<cheikhsow>can someone help me
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07:34<bitches>i don't
07:35<NinjaMan>bitches: ok just do this
07:35<NinjaMan>bitches: at the command line go to your desktop folder - cd /home/xtreme/Desktop
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07:36<NinjaMan>bitches: then type tar -czpvvf hydroxygen.tar.gz hydroxygen
07:36<NinjaMan>bitches: if the file already exists delete it
07:36<bitches>it just listed like 100 things
07:37<NinjaMan>bitches - yes those are all of the files going into your archive
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07:37<bitches>how do i delete it
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07:38<NinjaMan>bitches: how do you delete a file ???
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07:38<NinjaMan>bitches: once the new hydroxygen.tar.gz file is created - do the drag & drop crap
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07:38<NinjaMan>cheikhsow - what's the problem?
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07:39<bitches>i just deleted the new one
07:39<NinjaMan>cheikhsow - just state your problem and if someone can help they will respond
07:39<bitches>oh my god.. FINALLY
07:40<NinjaMan>bitches: do you understand what the problem was?
07:40<bitches>but holy shit....
07:40<bitches>these icons are awesome
07:41<NinjaMan>bitches: LOL
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07:41<bitches>what was the problem?
07:41<NinjaMan>bitches: basically the 1st time around you created an archive where all the files had the full path
07:42<bitches>so next time do tar -czpvvf hydroxygen.tar.gz hydroxygen ?
07:42<cheikhsow>i just make some config ssl in apache and i type this command :/usr/lib/sslmisc/ -newca qn it's make me CA certificate filename {or enter to create} i don't understand if i type a name or i type touch enter
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07:42<NinjaMan>bitches: yes, but of course you have to be in the same directory has the hydroxygen folder to do it
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07:42<[agatha]>can someone help me with the wireless i really would like to have it up and running but i dont get why is not working...
07:42<NinjaMan>bitches: that way the files only have the folder name in their path
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07:42<bitches>so cd /home/xtreme/desktop
07:43<NinjaMan>[agatha] -sorry I've never used wireless on linux
07:43<NinjaMan>bitches: yes
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07:43<[agatha]>well it was working fine in ubuntu now in debian the network monitor is giving strange messages (as no network connection when there obviously is one :S)
07:43<cheikhsow>help me
07:44<NinjaMan>cheikhsow: does it show a default filename?
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07:45<bitches>ok i am doing another one
07:45<bitches>lets see what i have learned!
07:46<NinjaMan>cheikhsow: try pressing enter - I don't have on my system so I can't check it out
07:46<cheikhsow>it 's about the generating certificate file name
07:46<NinjaMan>bitches: good luck
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07:47<bitches>the new one looks good too
07:47<bitches>i am in heaven
07:47<bitches>now i just want to edit my menu bar
07:47<bitches>to look new-aged
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07:48<bitches>i have another issue
07:49<bitches>i can't get adobe flash to install to iceweasel
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07:49<bitches>oi can watch things on youtube
07:49<cheikhsow>NinjaMan if i type enter it's generate a lot of file that i can't control
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07:51<NinjaMan>bitches: install flashplugin-nonfree from the debian repository
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07:51<NinjaMan>cheikhsow: do you know what the script is supposed to do?
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07:52<bitches>NinjaMan, when i do that it automatically stores it in ..../.mozilla
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07:52<NinjaMan>cheikhsow: so why are you running the script !?!?!?!
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07:54<NinjaMan>bitches: hmm doesn't it create a symlink in /usr/lib/iceweasel or /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins?
07:55<bitches>don't think so
07:55<NinjaMan>bitches: in fact it doesn't need to, iceweasel should be looking for plugins under mozilla as well
07:56<NinjaMan>did you restart all of your iceweasel browsers
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07:56<bitches>i even restarted my pc
07:56<NinjaMan>bitches: then type about:plugins in the browser address bar
07:56<NinjaMan>bitches and look for an entry for flash
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07:57<bitches>I have a bunch of java
07:57<bitches>but not flash
07:58<bitches>pplication/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash
07:58<bitches>then why doesn't it work?
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07:59<NinjaMan>bitches: you must have javascript enabled to display a flash movie!
07:59<bitches>it is enabled
07:59<NinjaMan>bitches: so if you got javascript disabled or you are using a mozilla plugin like noscript - then it could be interferring with it
07:59<bitches>application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes
08:00<NinjaMan>bitches: I'm talking about JAVASCRIPT!
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08:00<bitches>I did enable it
08:01<NinjaMan>bitches: look under the content tab in preferences and make sure the box is ticked
08:01<bitches>it is
08:01<NinjaMan>bitches: are you using any scritping add-ons like noscript?
08:02<NinjaMan>bitches: go to youtube and try to play a video
08:02<bitches>Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
08:02<bitches>i have afp10
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08:04<NinjaMan>bitches: how did you install afp10 on debian?
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08:04<NinjaMan>bitches: flashplugin-nonfree installs version 9 as far as I am aware - unless you are using debian experimental
08:05<NinjaMan>bitches: you understand Java and Javascript are different right?
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08:05<bitches>java is a plugin
08:05<bitches>and javascript is acoding
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08:06<NinjaMan>bitches - yes scripting
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08:07<NinjaMan>bitches: what version of flash does about:plugins show you
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08:08<NinjaMan>bitches: ??? are you sure - look just above the mime type table
08:08<bitches>Shockwave Flash 4.0 animation viewer handled by swfdec-0.3.6. Plays SWF animations, commonly known as Macromedia® Flash®.
08:09<bitches>why does it say 4.0
08:09<bitches>i thought i out 10 on there
08:09<NinjaMan>bitches: ok it looks like you have installed multiple flsh software on your system
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08:09<NinjaMan>bitches: so it is confused
08:10<NinjaMan>bitches: more importantly they are not all the adobe version
08:10<bitches>synaptic is a repository list viewer right
08:10<NinjaMan>bitches: yes, (I use aptitude)
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08:11<NinjaMan>bitches: basically remove all flash software, reinstall just flashplugin-nonfree
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08:12<NinjaMan>bitches: have you uninstalled software before?
08:12<bitches>not on linux
08:12<bitches>i am a new user.. just started yesterday
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08:13<bitches>i've used linux before but my bro had it tweaked already
08:13<NinjaMan>bitches: hmmmmm - so you you are using synaptic, right?
08:14<bitches>nvm.. stupid me
08:14<NinjaMan>bitches: what?
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08:14<bitches>just mark for uninstalation
08:15<NinjaMan>bitches: yes :D it is straightforward
08:15<NinjaMan>bitches: and then hit apply
08:15<NinjaMan>bitches: but you need to look for packages with 'flash' and 'swf' in their name
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08:18<NinjaMan>bitches: on my system with gnome (and iceweasel) - I only have flashplugin-nonfree, flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound, swfdec-gnome and libswfdec-0.X installed
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08:19<bitches>now in aptitude
08:19<bitches>i look for which?
08:21<bitches> flashplugin-nonfree, flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound, swfdec-gnome and libswfdec-0.X
08:21<bitches>so i type in apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
08:22<bitches>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
08:23<NinjaMan>you can do it in synaptic
08:23<NinjaMan>the swfdec stuff I only have because gnome installed it
08:24<bitches>no results
08:25<NinjaMan>bitches ?
08:25<bitches>i pressed reload
08:25<bitches>then search flashplugin-nonfree
08:25<bitches>no results
08:25<NinjaMan>bitches: ok you need to add extra repository apt-sources
08:25<NinjaMan>one moment
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08:26<bitches>main contrib non-free
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08:27<NinjaMan>bitches: they are in contrib
08:27<NinjaMan>bitches: but only in unstable / experimental branches
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08:28<bitches>still no results
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08:31<NinjaMan>bitches: you have added unstable branch?
08:31<NinjaMan>bitches (not that I am officially advising you to do that...)
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08:32<bitches>how do i do it
08:32<kitsune>k here's another question... i have a data partition in my computer, which i have succesfully mounted on /media... is there possibility of setting /home as mount point?
08:33<bitches>I have files on another partition.. how to i access them? says something about not being mounted, but i also want access in windows.. so i don't want them to collide
08:33<blal>kitsune : man mount
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08:34<NinjaMan>bitches: in synaptic? - you'll have to look it up or google it - I don't use synaptic - but I'm sure it is real straightforward
08:34<NinjaMan>bitches: what file system? NTFS?
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08:35<erKURITA>kitsune, my /home is a partition
08:35<erKURITA>so yeah, you can
08:35<bitches>yes NinjaMan
08:36<kitsune>i see erKURITA i have edited my fstab, so it should be automatically mounted the next time i reboot... but as i said i would like to mount it on /home instead of /media (more accesible for me) :D
08:36<erKURITA>but beware
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08:36<blal>kitsune : man fstab
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08:37<erKURITA>I'm not sure if the system keeps the contents of the mounted directory or if it mounts it evne if the directory is not empty
08:37<erKURITA>In fact, let me try
08:37<NinjaMan>I suggest you investigate ntfs-3g, install it, create a mount directory and then use mount command
08:37<kitsune>blal, i personally don't fine man really useful, half of the times i am totally unable to understand what is going on with it :D yet, i know how to edit fstab
08:38<blal> bitches
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08:38<blal>kitsune : happy unixing
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08:38<kitsune>erKURITA, i believe it does, my /dev/hda1 (this data partition) has always been mounted on /media (those are some historical reasons) but i was thinking about trying to mount it on /home seems its easier to get there on debian than in /media
08:38<NinjaMan>bitches: easier for you maybe to use disk-manager software
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08:39<erKURITA>kitsune, well, it does keep the data
08:40<erKURITA>however, it's now shown when you mount the partition
08:40<erKURITA>that means, if the mount point is /home, users can't login
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08:40<erKURITA>unless, you login as root always
08:40<erKURITA>which you shouldn't and you musn't
08:40<kitsune>aha ok so i will leave it /media then
08:40<kitsune>not handy to be always logged as root
08:40<NinjaMan>ok everyone I'm out - catch you all later
08:40<erKURITA>you can, however, mount it inside /home/{user}/
08:41<kitsune>bye bye NinjaMan
08:41<erKURITA>create a directory
08:41<erKURITA>and set it as the mount point
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08:41<erKURITA>for example: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda5 /home/erkurita/data_part/
08:41<kitsune>meaning /home/alba/stuff as a mount point?
08:42<kitsune>let me try that :D
08:42<adb>and change permissions rw to user , maybe
08:42<erKURITA>basically, (almost) any directory can be a mount point as long as you have write access
08:43<kitsune>shouldnt be needed i think... should be read/writable... but i will check
08:43<kitsune>give me a sec
08:43<blal>erKURITA : and if the partition is set up in /etc/fstab as being user-mountable. or if you run sudo
08:43*blal afk
08:44<erKURITA>blal, not necesarily
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08:44<kitsune>oh yeyu now problems with the packages... im back ubuntu i think hehe
08:44<erKURITA>you can mount a vfat partition w/o being root
08:44<kitsune>this is an ext3
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08:46<kitsune>oh thanks a lot erKURITA that worked just perfectly
08:46<erKURITA>no problem
08:46<kitsune>im messing up this and its not half an hour i have it up and running hehe
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08:57<bitches>NinjaMan, how to i get those files with aptitude?
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09:00<Zatrhaz>Hi. Any ideas when 2.6.26-4 will be available for Lenny as 2.6.26-1 will not boot on my system
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09:01<jackyf>Zatrhaz: download and install package from sid
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09:02<dpkg>it has been said that fluxbox is a forked off <blackbox> and is found at, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information.
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09:06<ranix>erKURITA: I think you need execute access, not write access
09:06<ranix>erKURITA: you may mount to a read-only directory
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09:07<Zatrhaz>hmm. linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem_2.6.26+16_i386.deb: 2.33 kB 12.30 kB/s
09:07<Zatrhaz>a bit small.....
09:08<jm_>that's just a meta package
09:08<Zatrhaz>ok, but to what?
09:08<jm_>check its dependencies
09:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 383] by debhelper
09:09<themill>judd: depends linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem
09:09<judd>themill: linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem
09:09<jm_>judd: depends linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem sid
09:09<judd>jm_: (depends ) -- Show Depends: of a given package. Usage: "depends packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]"
09:10<jm_>judd: depends linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem --release unstable
09:10<Zatrhaz>that's the one I am currently using
09:10<themill>judd: depends linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem --release sid
09:10<judd>themill: linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem
09:10<themill>!win me
09:10<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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09:11<themill>stew: is there a chance that judd can learn about release states too (e.g. unstable==sid)?
09:13<Zatrhaz>about all packages I FTP with image and 686 in them seem to be meta packages
09:13<Zatrhaz>I have 4 of them now all 2.6.26.*
09:13<Zatrhaz>a bit messy
09:14<themill>Zatrhaz: the idea is that you just install linux-image-686-bigmem and then apt works out what the latest available version for you is.
09:16<Zatrhaz>I know. I have been using Debian for 1o years or so. But as 2.6.26-x (x>1) is not in the Lenny repo I have to get it manually, so no apt is possible
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09:16<Zatrhaz>unless I use pat- pinnging etc. stuff. Don't want to do that
09:17<themill>Zatrhaz: there are no 2.6.26-x (x>1) packages in debian at all
09:18<Zatrhaz>I have read about 2.6.26-4 where a certain SCSI driver bug was fixed
09:18<Zatrhaz>and I saw on the FTP site if I am not mistaken: 2.6.26-16
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09:19<themill>Zatrhaz: is that the kernel package name or the kernel package version. They are very different things.
09:19<themill>judd versions linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem
09:19<judd>themill: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem: 2.6.26-8 (lenny) 2.6.26-9 (sid)
09:19<themill>Zatrhaz: ^^ -1- is the ABI version (for module compatability), the -8 and -9 are the package release versions.
09:20<arc>i have to kill X to get tv out, it doesn't catch my config after booting, any ideas?
09:20<jm_>does judd work OK via /msg?
09:20<themill>Zatrhaz: right, so that's fixed in the version in lenny as well (-8)
09:20<cahoot>using nvidia?
09:20<themill>jm_: ye
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09:20<jm_>themill: try "/msg judd versions linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem --arch amd64"
09:20<Zatrhaz>after updating the repo I still have 2.6.26-1 as the lastest kernel for Lenny :-(
09:21<bitches>do i need to get the chipset drivers and all that for linuz?
09:21<jm_>themill: ahh stupi dme, yes there would be no such package in amd64 release
09:21<themill>jm_: indeed.
09:21<jm_>themill: but it ould say not found instead ;)
09:21<themill>jm_: tell stew :)
09:22<bitches>my lcd monitor is suppose to be set at 60 hZ and linux is only letting it be on 76hZ
09:22<themill>Zatrhaz: no, you have kernel package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem which is ABI version 1. Look at the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem" and you'll see that you have revision 8 of that package.
09:23<Zatrhaz>on the FTP server I see 2.6.18+6 and 2.6.26+16
09:23<Zatrhaz>k. will do. ty
09:23<themill>Zatrhaz: where do you see that?
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09:25<Zatrhaz> -> debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6
09:25<Zatrhaz>on my system using dpkg/grep: linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 2.6.26-8
09:25<Zatrhaz>however, still no booting
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09:27<Zatrhaz>it seems that meta packages have a +16 and "true" packages have -8 ?
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09:27<Aleric>I started a process (dd) as root that reads from /dev/zero... it hangs and even kill -9 doesn't stop it (it's waiting for disk)...
09:27<Aleric>Can someone tell me how to make it stop?
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09:28<petemc>Aleric: is it in D state? let it finish or reboot
09:28<Aleric>petemc: It is in D state, and it will never finish I think...
09:28<Aleric>I can't reboot
09:28<themill>Zatrhaz: you're looking in the wrong place on the ftp server
09:29<petemc>Aleric: perhaps kill its parent then?
09:29<Aleric>That will hardly make it terminate no? If even kill -9 didn't help :/
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09:30<Aleric>petemc: this is scary... it's still using cpu ?!
09:31<Aleric>Oh... it stopped.
09:31<variable>hi, i'getting this err :Duplicate sources.list entry etch-backports/main Pac kages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_bin ary-i386_Packages)
09:31<reptor>what does message INIT: cannot execute "/command/svscanboot" mean?
09:31<Zatrhaz>themill, ty. However no 2.6.26.x (x>1) as you already stated and the scsi bug should have been fixed
09:32<reptor>and message INIT: Id: "SV" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes ?
09:32<Zatrhaz>the boot process is hanging on my second SCSI disk (with all but 1 data partition on the first disk)
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09:32<Aleric>reptor: That means that the init process (during boot?) tried to continue by execve()-ing that process, but execve returned, I suppose.
09:32<themill>Zatrhaz: for better or for worse, debian doesn't use the fourth revision number from the linux kernel packages but folds those changes into the -8 -9 etc releases
09:32<reptor>the second message comes right after the first message has come for a couple of times
09:33<reptor>Aleric, is it normal?
09:33<reptor>I'm running Debian testing
09:33<Zatrhaz>variable, I see a space between bin and ary
09:33<Aleric>No, the second is normal though - it's trying to spawn that process and when it fails it's retrying which causes the respawn attempt to flood
09:34<Aleric>reptor: you could try and see if "/command/svscanboot" is in your inittab and if so, comment it out (?)
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09:34<Aleric>or fix the execute problems that it has.
09:34<reptor>yeah well, I already read about that possibility, I was just thinking what will it break if I do that (didn't yet look at the inittab but will do now)
09:35<Aleric>well, whatever 'sv' is won't work anymore
09:35<reptor>there is a line "SV:123456:respawn:/command/svscanboot" at the end of the file.
09:35<Aleric>but then you can repair that I guess
09:35<variable>Zatrhaz, yes and what gives me?
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09:36<Aleric>just comment it out, I think you can just reboot - and then fix the installation of 'sv' (now idea what it is)
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09:36<reptor>yeah, I will have to try that.
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09:37<reptor>I'll try to investigate first what program is related to it. so maybe by removing the program it would go away.
09:37<Zatrhaz>variable, it should spell "binary" not "bin ary"
09:38<variable>Zatrhaz, sorry thee was not a space ;]
09:38<Aleric>petemc: it DELETED the file (322 GB)
09:39<Aleric>dd if=/dev/zero of=large322GBfile bs=4096 skip=23622 count=29
09:39<Aleric>How can that 1) not be killed or terminated, and 2) completely truncate the file????
09:39<cheikhsow>i make ssl config in apache2 with my mail server and at the end it make me know that the certificate is not valid because the authority delivred the certificate is unknow and it make an error code :sec_error_unknow_issuer can someone help me
09:39<Aleric>Oh shit
09:39<themill>variable: so what's in your sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
09:40<Aleric>That skip is doing the skip in the input file :/
09:41<cheikhsow>help me
09:42<variable>themill, deb etch main non-free deb etch-backports main deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
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09:42<themill>variable: do you notice any similarities between lines 2 and 3 of that?
09:43<themill>variable: btw you don't have a line for security there; you should
09:43<variable>where? what sould i wite?
09:45<cheikhsow>someone can tell me what i suppose to do it 's aserious ploblem for me
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09:45<variable>themill, yes there is similarities but just the begining an then there is for non-free and other for i gest for free
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09:45<themill>variable: main is listed in both lines though
09:45<ranix>Hey folks. I'm trying to find opengl dev libraries in apt and I cannot find them
09:46<ranix>I expect to see, for instance libgl-dev or similar
09:46<ranix>cannot find with apt-cache search. What am I doing wrong?
09:46<themill>ranix: do you know the specific file you're looking for? use apt-file
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09:47<ranix>I'll give it a shot, thanks themill
09:47<variable>themill, i'm not so good in this, so is i dele one of that line i'll not get or non-free or free, is this right?
09:47<ranix>thanks for the suggestion Torsten_W
09:48<themill>variable: you have "main" in both of those lines. You can get rid of the middle line that only has "main" on it and then apt will be happy
09:49<cheikhsow>someone use ssl
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09:51<variable>themill, thanks ;]
09:51<cheikhsow>no one know secure socket layer
09:52<petemc>cheikhsow: when i used to use self made ssl certs, i would make a .der file for clients to install in their browsers
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09:53<petemc>to avoid error messages - tho newer browsers are even more fussy so you need to jump through a few more hoops
09:54<cheikhsow>i have a problem of certificate
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10:06<stew>judd: depends linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem --release unstable
10:06<judd>stew: linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem
10:06<stew>themill: ^^^
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10:06<themill>stew: ohh shiny :P
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10:16<ebzzry>How do I know if package foo is up to date or not? Specifically, how do I check its version against the version on the repository that I have put in sources.list?
10:17<vinicius>hello! alsa is not loading at system boot, i need to run alsaconf every time
10:17<avu>apt-get update; apt-cache policy foo
10:17<ebzzry>avu: Thanks
10:17<vinicius>thats my /etc/modules
10:18<avu>ebzzry, you might also want to check out apt-show-versions
10:18<vinicius>is alsa supposed to be there somehow?
10:18<ebzzry>avu: Thanks
10:20<ebzzry>avu: Does aptitude have something equivalent to apt-cache's "policy" argument?
10:21<vinicius>ebzzry, do you want to check versions?
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10:21<vinicius>ebzzry, i guess you just press 'enter' over it
10:21<vinicius>ebzzry, the package you want
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10:22<ebzzry>vinicius: No, preferably not using the menu.
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10:22<vinicius>ebzzry, i don't know... apt-show-versions seems to be a good one
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10:22<ebzzry>So does that mean that there is no equivalent for aptitude?
10:23<vinicius>ebzzry, no... it's just different conceptions
10:23<vinicius>ebzzry, i always saw the version of my packages on aptitude...
10:23<ebzzry>OK. Is there any way to make aptitude/apt-get ignore a specific package?
10:24<vinicius>ebzzry, yes, but i dont know :)
10:24<vinicius>ebzzry, i did that once
10:24<ebzzry>vinicius: Aw.
10:24<themill>ebzzry: "ignore"?
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10:25<vinicius>themill, do not update or change configs
10:25<ebzzry>themill: I've asked this yesterday remember? I have tried the "chroot" way. It does work, but only to some extent.
10:25<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
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10:25<themill>ebzzry: a lot of work and not enough coffee since yesterday. I remember the nick but not the problem.
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10:26<vinicius>well... and what about my alsa problem?
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10:27<vinicius>does it have something to do with /etc/modules ?
10:27<ebzzry>themill: It was about a package that I want the package system to ignore because it is marked as broken (due to a --force-architecture perhaps). I needed that package and so I tried using the chroot way but it doesn't work the way I want it to: It can't access some information outside the chroot even using the bind mountns.
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10:28<themill>ebzzry: ahh... you're never going to convince aptitude that all is well with that. You could try equivs (/msg dpkg equivs) to pretend that dependencies are satisfied, but a chroot/schroot is the only way to do this safely.
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10:29<ebzzry>themill: Safely, yes. But what I need is an interpreter that need to access my current environment.
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10:30<zakame>vinicius: hmm sounds like exactly my problem too. what sound card are you using?
10:30<themill>ebzzry: how come?
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10:33<ebzzry>themill: For example, a script that I wrote (to which the interpreter runs inside the chroot: #!/usr/bin/scsh. /usr/bin/scsh is a symlink to /usr/local/bin/scsh which is then a symlink to /usr/local/bin/dochroot which does the actual call to schroot). Then that script runs a Lisp process. That Lisp process then opens a port. Now with this method, I can't connect from outside the chroot to the Lisp process inside the chroot.
10:34<vinicius>vinicius@vinicius:~$ lspci | grep Audio
10:34<vinicius>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
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10:34<themill>ebzzry: what sort of port? network? unix socket?
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10:35<ebzzry>themill: the former. Not Unix socket.
10:35<magyar_>hi, how can I get Russian characters to be displayed in debian instead of ????? question marks?
10:35<ebzzry>themill: Standard TCP/IP port.
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10:37<themill>ebzzry: that should be quite possible. You can do network stuff from inside a chroot. I've had a lenny apache running inside a lenny chroot on an etch box while I tested a few things out.
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10:38<ebzzry>themill: To be more precise, I'd want Emacs+SLIME connect to the SBCL process inside the chroot because SBCL was invoked by the script that happens to be in the chroot.
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10:38<kitsune>could someone tell me how to setup a wireless here?
10:38<kitsune>for some reason, its not recognizing my card or i dunno whats going on
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10:39<zakame>vinicius: ?
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10:40<ebzzry>themill: Anyway, I'll try it again, and see if I can make it work this time.
10:41<themill>ebzzry: it would be worth persisting. Have a look at what is listening using netstat. You should be able to do that. Either that or spend your time fixing the package so that it builds on amd64 :P
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10:42<vinicius>tried somethings but didnt work
10:42<ebzzry>themill: OK.
10:42<vinicius>zakame, i sent my soundcard
10:42<vinicius>zakame, lspci output
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10:43<vinicius><vinicius> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
10:43<vinicius>zaaagon, i guess you didnt see the line
10:43<vinicius>ops... wrong nick
10:44<vinicius>zakame, thats my soundcard
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10:45<cahoot>zakame: lspci -nn | grep -i audio - what pciID?
10:45<vinicius>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 02)
10:46<vinicius>cahoot, thats mine actually
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10:46<zakame>i'm using snd-hda-intel, pci ID 10de :0774
10:46<zakame>00:07.0 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0774] (rev a1)
10:46<vinicius>zakame, me too
10:46<cahoot>different cards according to pciids
10:47<vinicius>cahoot, alsaconf tells me to use snd-hda-intel
10:47<vinicius>cahoot, and it works...
10:47<vinicius>cahoot, but as i said, i need to run alsaconf at every boot for it to work
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10:47<cahoot>vinicius: that module supports lots of slightly different devices
10:48<vinicius>cahoot, seems to be... but my real problem is the boot one
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10:48<zakame>vinicius: does dmesg tell you anything about hda-intel not finding any codecs?
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10:49<cahoot>vinicius: is it you having probs not zakame ?
10:49<vinicius>cahoot, both of us, actually
10:49<vinicius>cahoot, same problem
10:50<cahoot>vinicius: you have alsa-utils installed?
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10:50<vinicius>zakame, couldn't find anything in dmesg
10:50<zakame>basically I don't call alsaconf every time, but I do have to do alsa force-reload
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10:51<vinicius>cahoot, yes.. alsa-utils here
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10:51<vinicius>zakame, i guess its the same... but i was using alsaconf
10:52<jderrick>Is it possible to convert all the packages on 64-bit Etch to 32-bit in a reasonably simple way?
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10:52<cahoot>vinicius: actually /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start should take care of all
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10:53<vinicius>cahoot, ok... but this is not happening at boot
10:54<kitsune>any idea how to configure an intel 3495 wireless card? its not getting it and i think ive tried all what i have found in the internet
10:54<cahoot>vinicius: isn't it run at boot?
10:55<vinicius>cahoot, what i mean is that alsa is not working after system boot
10:55<zakame>yeah it should actually be picked up by udev
10:55<vinicius>cahoot, works fine if i load the module manually
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10:55<zakame>alsa-utils basically should just reset the mixer settings after modprobing the driver modules (if not loaded already by udev)
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10:58<themill>kitsune: what kernel (uname -r)
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10:58<kitsune>themill, 2.6.26-1-686
10:59<themill>dpkg: tell kitsune about iwlwifi
11:02<kitsune>themill, i dont really get this "modprobe iwl3945" after the aptitude part... just write that on the terminal?
11:02<themill>You'll have to run it as root
11:02<kitsune>hmm yes i am in a root terminal atm
11:03<kitsune>hmm i did and no error mesage but still i cannot see my wireless working
11:03<themill>kitsune: can you pastebin the output of: modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe ipw3945 ; dmesg | tail -20
11:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:04<kitsune>sure sec
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11:05<vinicius>no suggestions about y problem anyone?
11:05<zakame>you could try looking at the ALSA-Configuration.txt and read the snd-hda-intel documentation
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11:06<kitsune>it says the module is not installed
11:07<themill>that says "ipw3945" not found. Is this an installation that you have upgraded the kernel on?
11:07<kitsune>no no themill its a clean installation i just downloaded the dvd and installed it
11:08<themill>bah... my bad. can you pastebin the output of: modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail -20
11:08<kitsune>sure sec
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11:10<themill>kitsune: ok, so that's looking quite fine. You should be able to now configure your wireless with iwconfig; network-manager or wicd.
11:11<kitsune>ok second let me try because im null for this
11:11<kitsune>can i paste the output themill ?
11:11<kitsune>something doesnt look quite fine
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11:12<kitsune>debian:/home/kitsune# network-manager
11:12<kitsune>bash: network-manager: command not found
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11:12<kitsune>would that mean i dont have a network manager installed?
11:13<themill>kitsune: the tool is called nm-applet (if you are using gnome)
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11:13<kitsune>hmm right now on kde
11:14<themill>ok, so install the network-manager-kde package and run knetworkmanager.
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11:14<kitsune>ok ec
11:16<themill>IYELL: less yelling.
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11:17<IYELL>themill: READ THIS PLEASE:
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11:17<themill>IYELL: less yelling.
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11:19<kitsune>i dont sem to be able to do it themill ... not sure why is not working
11:19<kitsune>but knetworkmanager says no active device
11:19<themill>kitsune: can you pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig"
11:20<themill>IYELL: enough
11:20<kitsune>yup a second
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11:22<kitsune>there you go themill
11:23<themill>kitsune: that implies taht you've managed to get the driver installed OK. Does "iwlist wlan0 scan" return any access points?
11:24<kitsune> themill
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11:25<themill>kitsune: this is all looking good. Your card is working and it is finding access points. Are you in the netdev group? (look at the output of "groups")
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11:25<kitsune>hehe themill that i can paste here
11:25<kitsune>debian:/home/kitsune# groups
11:25<cahoot>needs restart dbus?
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11:25<kitsune>i guess there's something wrong there?
11:25<themill>kitsune: run that (and knetworkmanager) as a normal user, not as root
11:26<kitsune>hmmm i am not running it as root i am in my normal session
11:26<kitsune>ahaaaa you mean the command sec
11:26<themill>[16:02] <kitsune> hmm yes i am in a root terminal atm
11:26<kitsune>yes yes sorry
11:27<kitsune>hmm yes, netdev is there themill
11:27<themill>kitsune: did you run knetworkmanager as your normal user or as root?
11:27<kitsune>normal user now
11:28<kitsune>oh yeah themill
11:28<kitsune>you're a godsend :D
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11:33<kitsune_>themill, i have more problems now hehe
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11:34<kitsune_>now it seems to be working
11:34<kitsune_>but, when using that connection internet is not working, need to be wired
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11:34<kitsune_>maybe i should disable the other connection i wonder
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11:36<kitsune_>i will try rebooting thanks a lot for all your help :D
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11:41<kitsune>well... this sounds like a joke, but i have the same again, after rebooting the computer, no network device found
11:41<kitsune>isnt that lovely
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11:45<johnfg>hi folks
11:45<vinicius>is there anyway to track a package when i compile it to uninstall after?
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11:46<johnfg>Here's what I get when I try to upgrade:
11:47<johnfg>Any way I can force the upgrading to those latest versions of various kde programs?
11:50<johnfg>Anyone here and listening today?
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11:51<chealer>johnfg: # apt-get install kpackage
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11:52<themill>dpkg: tell johnfg about kept back
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11:54<johnfg>chealer: Did you want to see the output of that command? Looks like I might just be a bit hasty in trying to get kpackage installed.
11:55<chealer>johnfg: yes
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11:56<johnfg>chealer: Here it is:
11:57<chealer>johnfg: which Debian suite do you use?
11:58<johnfg>Is that what you asked?
11:58<chealer>johnfg: yes. ask #debian-kde
11:59<themill>lenny/sid mix, would be my guess
11:59<chealer>he's mixing lenny and experimental KDE
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12:00<chealer>or at least KDE 4
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12:02<cheikhsow>hi someone i want install in my user account /home/cheikhsow/Desktop/firefox-3.0.3.tar.bz2 and it's tell me it's impossible tofind package firefox-3.0.3.tar.bz2 cqan someone help me
12:03<themill>cheikhsow: what's "it". what release of debian? why not just use iceweasel?
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12:05<cheikhsow>iceweasel cause me some problem because i can't go in https secure
12:05<kitsune>ok themill , so i have the thing up and running because when i scan for networks, i find networks, but still it says no network devices had been found (im now on gnome)
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12:05<kitsune>so i have no idea what is going on now, it worked before
12:05<kitsune>and im starting to be near the desperation
12:06<themill>cheikhsow: iceweasel does https quite nicely. I do it all the time; firefox won't be any different.
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12:09<cheikhsow>when i do https at ideweqsel it tell me that the security certificate is not valid and that return the sec_error_unknown_issuer
12:09<themill>cheikhsow: for all sites or just one?
12:10<cheikhsow>for all site
12:10<cheikhsow>for all site that i try to do https
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12:10<LionsMane>OK, I am lost...
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12:12<LionsMane>I built a bootable USB stick and put the CD .iso files on the stick. I booted the stick, got the syslinux boot menu... but the installer complains it cannot find the .iso files. Initially, I copied the files verbatim to the USB stick. I since renamed them to debian01.iso, debian02.iso and so on. But the installer still complains it can't find the CDROM. What am I missing?
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12:12<cheikhsow>themill you are here
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12:13<LionsMane>Oh, and I downloaded and copied the hd-media vmlinuz and initrd.gz onto the USB stick as well.
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12:14<LionsMane>Does anyone have some ideas?
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12:15<LionsMane>I have been banging my head on this for three days now.
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12:17<cheikhsow>i don't know why but my browser iceweasel can't open my hotmail account
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12:18<chealer>LionsMane: what's the exact message?
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12:22<LionsMane>chealer, The quick scan for install ISO images, which looks only in common places, did not find an install ISO image, It's possible that a more thorough search will find the ISO image, but it may take a long time.
12:22<kitsune>really i have a nosense situation here... my wireless driver is installed (and seems its working) but the nm-applet says no devices found so i cannot connect to the wireless and i am a bit frustrated becasue i have no idea why or how to fix it... any idea?
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12:23<chealer>LionsMane: that's what you paraphrase as "complaining it can't find the CD-ROM"?
12:23<cahoot>kitsune: you've made sure only 'lo' is present in /etc/network/interfaces?
12:23<chealer>LionsMane: that sounds like iso-scan, which indeed doesn't look at optical disk
12:24<cahoot>as in loopback?
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12:24<kitsune>hmm moment i will check the file
12:24<kitsune>can i paste it to you somewhere cahoot ?
12:24<kitsune>i dunno what it says there
12:24<cahoot>some pastebin?
12:25<kitsune>yeah that's what i meant
12:25<LionsMane>chealer, I don't have CD media, I have ISO's on a booted USB stick.. I can't seem to find them there.
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12:26<cahoot>kitsune: sure put it on a pastebin
12:26<LionsMane>chealer, Is there a way to tell the installer where to find the ISO? I jumped out to the shell and I can see /hd-media/debian01.iso...
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12:29<cahoot>kitsune: ok - put a # at the start of lines 8 to 16 (to comment them out)
12:29<kitsune>ok moment
12:29<kitsune>ok cahoot
12:30<cahoot>kitsune: restatr networking (and possibly nm-applet)
12:30<LionsMane>chealer, So I am not sure why it is not able to find the ISO. Is there a special ISO I am supposed to use that is not the first debian disk?
12:30<kitsune>how would i do that cahoot ?
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12:31<cahoot>kitsune: as root /etc/init.d/networking restart
12:31<kitsune>oki sec
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12:34<kitsune>it says a lot of things cahoot a bit more of pastebin?
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12:37<cahoot>kitsune: seems you had a working wlan0
12:37<kitsune>now is connected
12:37<kitsune>i just enabled the roaming mode somewhere
12:37<kitsune>ah no
12:37<kitsune>its connected to the wired network
12:38<kitsune>still cannot find any wireless network and there are at least 2
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12:39<kitsune>i mean cahoot when i scan for networks it finds networks, but the applet does not find any... then i wonder if the problem wouldnt be with the applet instead
12:39<cahoot>kitsune: well the point a was trying to get at is: for nm-applet to work, every entry but 'lo' should be commented out in interfaces
12:39<kitsune>do you think i should try rebooting?
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12:40<cahoot>kitsune: the nm-applet is still not usable?
12:41<kitsune>i have it there, but still does not detect any wireless network... but as you saw, when i scan from the terminal i find 2, mine and some other
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12:42<cahoot>try a reboot then
12:42<kitsune>ok i will be back shortly
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12:43<chealer>LionsMane: no, there's no special ISO
12:43<chealer>LionsMane: I don't think there's a way to tell the installer where to find the iso, no.
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12:44<chealer>LionsMane: how did you build the stick?
12:45<vinicius>how do I enable the middle button click emulation by pressing both buttons at the same time on X?
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12:46<arriesp>alguien sabe como puedo añadirle la terminal a kate?
12:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:47<arriesp>how can i add the terminal to kate?
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12:47<roniwiz>sorry, realy not an Spanish...
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12:50<debacle>Hi all, i think i need help with a sed construct. I need to substitute every "blank space" with \"blank space". i'm using sed 's/ /\\ /' but it substitute ONLY THE FIRST blank space of every line. How can i fix this ?
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12:50<Gathond>debacle: put a g at the end to make it global
12:51<debacle>Gathond: IT WORKS. thank you !
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12:52<KiTsUnE>oh yeah cahoot
12:52<KiTsUnE>you made it hehehehe
12:52<KiTsUnE>seems its working :D
12:52<cahoot>your nick seems to have taken a hit
12:53<KiTsUnE>oh no no worries its just how it looks in the other network im in hehe
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12:53<kitsune>historical reasons
12:54<kitsune>so cahoot you think the reason why it wasnt working was those lines commented?
12:54<cahoot>wrt network-manager yes
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12:55<kitsune>i see... now i have a lil dumb question... i thought i had installed etch but when i use aptitude all repositories display lenny... any way of checking what i have installed?
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12:56<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
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13:00<LionsMane>I am trying to install using the USB boot option and the installer can't seem to find the ISO files. After reading and following the directions in the installation guide, I can't get the installer to see the install.iso
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13:01<kitsune>hmm i said lenny
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13:04<cahoot>kitsune: does you /etc/apt/sources.list - point to lenny explicitly?
13:05<kitsune>hmmm a second
13:05<kitsune>points to both etch and lenny
13:06<kitsune>well as a matter of fact, the ones who point at etch are the cd rom sources
13:06<kitsune>and lenny the mirror ones (dont ask me why)
13:06<cahoot>kitsune: you probably want to comment out the cdrom entry and stick to lenny
13:07<kitsune>hmmm wouldnt that be bad if i installed etch?
13:07<cahoot>kitsune: you never updated anything from the net?
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13:08<kitsune>nope cahoot i installed it today afternoon
13:08<kitsune>but when i was installing it asked me to select a mirror
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13:08<kitsune>the firstone was unavailable so i selected the second... is the only moment i selected a mirror for anything that's why i am a bit confused
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13:09<cahoot>kitsune: I see - but don't understand what's happened
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13:09<kitsune>me neither cahoot i really have no idea... i wanted to install etch because i have heard that lenny is still testing so i thought that knowing nothing, the best would be an stable release
13:09<kitsune>but now i see that lenny thing, even tho the cd happens to be etch...
13:10<kitsune>and i am just wondering if it may be a problem to have the repositories so messed up
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13:11<cahoot>kitsune: you say you installed solely from the cd - not a netinstall?
13:12<kitsune>hmmm see cahoot i installed with the dvd, but at some point it said something like you have the minimal system and blabala (didnt really read) so just before installing the desktop environment and so on, i had to select a mirror for downloading the packages
13:12<kitsune>that's the only network i used while installing
13:13<cahoot>kitsune: ok - so in effect you upgraded to lenny (if your sources.list points to lenny)
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13:14<roniwiz>kitsune; sorry about my dumbness, but weren't you use a etch'nahalf netisnt?
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13:14<kitsune>roniwiz, you will have to excuse me about my dumbness but i dont know what i was using :) i just downloaded a dvd and clicked nex next next yes yes next
13:15<kitsune>hmmm ok cahoot but no problem right?
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13:17<cahoot>kitsune: not if you stick to lenny - downgrading hardly possible anyway
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13:17<alba>hmm no cahoot i dont really mind
13:17<alba>i just thought that a testing release might be harder to use than a stable one
13:17<alba>because of the bugs and so on
13:17<alba>so thought about installing the stable one... if i have lenny then i will go ahead with lenny...
13:18<roniwiz>kitsune, i believe that you have downloaded the etch n' a half ...thatś basicaly the etch with upgrades for suporting newer hardaware...don't worry...:-)
13:18<alba>ahaaa ok roniwiz :P
13:18<alba>= kitsune
13:18<alba>changed nick
13:18<alba>well you know... right now i am just worried because if it stops working and i have to spend 5h pesting half of irc to get my wireless working im gonna shoot my head
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13:22<roniwiz>sorry Alba, but did you made up your own kernel?
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13:23<alba>roniwiz, the only thing i "make up" every morning is my face... i know only the basics of linux, and only the basics may be saying a lot about what i know...
13:23<alba>so i dont think i did my own kernel...
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13:23<alba>but thanks for your faith in me ;)
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13:25<debacle>i still nedd your help ... please hep me to "decode" this bash construct
13:26<debacle>see section 2.6
13:26<debacle>(cd /source/directory && tar cf - . ) | (cd /dest/directory && tar xvfp -)
13:26<roniwiz>right alba, you know, i'm a brazilian , and itś really a good surprise to know that there were women playing around with Debian....You made my day, thanks!
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13:26<alba>heheheheh roniwiz well.. im jus a curious girl ;) with a lot of free time...
13:26<fxiny>my favourite Alan Cox
13:26<shizzlemeh>ok, the age old question.. is there an actual usable linux video editor? I hate to say it, but I need a Windows Movie Maker (or atleast QuickTime!) clone
13:26<alba>i dont believe the topic that women should not be into computer stuff or cars and so on...
13:26<fxiny>i see is still popular
13:27<debacle>why allan cox is using "cf -" option what does it mean ?
13:27<Nemoder>shizzlemeh: try avidemux from debian-multimedia
13:27<debacle>fxiny: you suggested me this wonderful tip !!!
13:27<roniwiz>d' accord, mademoiselle, d'accord
13:27<stew>debacle: c mean create, 'f -' means that it should write to stdout (- is often used as a special filename to mean stdout or stdin)
13:27<alba>hahaha roniwiz ;)
13:29<fxiny>debacle: oh yes . i rememer now :
13:29<fxiny>debacle: oh , stew just told you
13:31<LionsMane>I am trying to install from a USB disk... what file is the installer looking for when it tries to find the install ISO and can't find it. What is it looking for? I followed the instructions for the UBS stick installation. The stick boots and I get the user interface, but it gets stuck on detecting the installation CD.
13:32<shizzlemeh>Nemoder: looks perfect. When I go to add the repository, it says: deb stable main. Should I change the main to testing if I'm running Lenny?
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13:33<Nemoder>shizzlemeh: yes
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13:34<chealer>LionsMane: a Debian .iso. which USB stick installation instructions?
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13:34<LionsMane>chealer, I am using the instructions from that page.
13:35<debacle>fxiny: THANKS AGAIN !!!
13:35<chealer>LionsMane: which? there are at least two different sequences one can follow there.
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13:36<LionsMane>chealer, I took "The Flexible Way"
13:36<shizzlemeh>Nemoder: You're my hero
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13:38<LionsMane>chealer, and I have a bootable USB stick. And I am able to boot a linux kernel with it's initrd... so I *think* I have the USB booting part down... Maybe, maybe not. Does it matter that the USB stick is 8Gb?
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13:38<chealer>LionsMane: I don't see why it would matter. where did you get the optional kernel modules from?
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13:39<LionsMane>Do I need optional kernel modules? I didn't explicitly load them. When I get to the Debian installer main menu and drop to a shell, I can see the USB stick.. so life seems good that way, too.
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13:41<debacle>fxiny: i'm using allan cox tip ... but ... it seems to not delete the source file, just copy. it this right ?
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13:41<chealer>LionsMane: I don't know but I remember I failed to use this way without them.
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13:43<chealer>LionsMane: I don't really know the problem, but the instructions may be wrong. iso-scan only looks at hard disks AFAIK. but maybe the logs will give a clue.
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13:43<fxiny_>debacle: yes . it copy files via tar
13:44<Aleric>I need boost 1.36, what is the best way to get it for debian?
13:44<LionsMane>chealer, I will try to copy the ISO's to the harddrive, then. I don't mind doing that.
13:44<debacle>fxiny: so i understood !
13:45<LionsMane>chealer, I looked at the logs and it mentioned walking thru disc devices.
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13:46<LionsMane>chealer, it did NOT mention about what it did or did not find... That is, it didn't save "Found file with an ISO extension, but it is not the right one" or some verbiage like that.
13:47<stevecotton>hmm - not sure if it's downloadable from there
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13:49<chealer>LionsMane: did you do the long scan?
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13:51<fxiny_>debacle: actually it copy tree directory structure faster the cp
13:51<debacle>fxiny: faster ? it's a flash !
13:52<fxiny_>debacle: can't find any pointer to demonstrate tar does it faster then cp but i did read it long ago
13:53<debacle>fxiny: well it copied 9 GB in 2 mins (files with 1024 subdirs)
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13:57<debacle>fxiny: anyway i think i can simply add an rm -r * beetween the first "tar" and the ") |"
13:57<shizzlemeh>i know /dev/dsp is input, but what's the output for oss sound?
13:58<fxiny_>debacle: wrong
13:58<debacle>fxiny: you're right ... it's a pipe !
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13:59<Gathond>shizzlemeh: the same
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13:59<Gathond>shizzlemeh: it is quite possible to read AND write to the same file/device
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14:00<debacle>fxiny: ok i'll redo the first cd and then rm ... mine is a script
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14:01<shizzlemeh>Gathond: so I should be able to capture audio that's playing?
14:02<Gathond>shizzlemeh: not sure, you should be able to play by writing to it and read by reading, but I think reading means line IN
14:02<Gathond>and not reading whatever line out plays
14:02<shizzlemeh>Gathond: Anyway to read line-out that you know of?
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14:03<Gathond>not from that device, ask whatever outputs it to write to another device?
14:03<Gathond>it should just write the raw wave data
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14:03<john>I just installed the new nvidia driver (177.8) on debian lenny using the nvidia install method... and I'm wondering if it's possible to take the kernel module out and save it, so that it could be re-inserted into another computer with the same hardware? Or will I have to use the nvidia installer again to install the kernel module on the other maschine?
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14:05<Aleric>john: uninstall it, and then use the debian way ... (.deb's)
14:05<jefersonsilva>hi for alls
14:05<john>Aleric: but there aren't any .debs for the newest nvidia drivers.
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14:05<jefersonsilva>oi para todos
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14:05<jefersonsilva>OI PARA TODOS
14:05<kurumin>alguém ai????
14:05<jefersonsilva>hi for alls
14:06<Aleric>john: maybe?
14:07<jefersonsilva><kurumin> VC E BRASILEIRO
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14:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:07<jefersonsilva>TEM ALGUN BRASILEIRO NA SALA
14:07<jefersonsilva>EU SOU BR
14:08<jefersonsilva>EU SOU BR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:08<chealer>john: there are
14:09<fxiny_>debacle: (cd /source/directory && tar cf - . ) | (cd /dest/directory && tar xvfp -) && rm -fr /source/directory
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14:09<jefersonsilva>EU SOU BR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:09<jefersonsilva>EU SOU BR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:09<jefersonsilva>EU SOU BR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:09<jefersonsilva>EU SOU BR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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14:10<john>Does anyone know why there isn't just a package in testing non-free to install the nvidia drivers?
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14:10<Aleric>What was that flooder saying?
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14:10<Nemoder>john: nvidia-glx ?
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14:12<Aleric>john: Because that package has to be build manually, it isn't automated for license reasons. And in practise nobody does do it until shortly before a new release. The effect is that 'testing' is nvidia kernel module less most of the time.
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14:13<Aleric>john: What they do, in the end, manually, is what is at the top of the url I gave you.
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14:13<john>Aleric: Oh I don't do all that's on this page? Just what's at the top???
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14:14<john>Also (Aleric) how do I check to see which version is in the debian .deb? (that is, which version of the nvidia driver)
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14:15<Aleric>john: Yes, just the top. You won't get the very latest beta driver then of course.... the rest of the page used to work for any kernel and any version, but it's broken and I have no time (or need) to fix it anymore.
14:16<john>Aleric: I have the 9800 GT card, I think I have to have the 177.8 driver (as I believe it's the only driver that supports it)
14:17<Aleric>I have a need for tripple head... but there is no card with three monitor outputs etc :/
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14:17<shizzlemeh>i have snd_mixer_oss module loaded. wonder which one it is in dev
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14:18<fxiny_>Aleric: ask xmonad people :
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14:19<Aleric>That can't be hackers... their desk is way too clean
14:20<Aleric>cool keyboard though
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14:25<john>Aleric: So is there no way to get the latest nvidia driver through a .deb package?
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14:25<Aleric>john: Of course not. Nvidia doesn't make .deb's. You could try to fix my script :p
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14:28<john>Aleric: And there's no way to pull out a kernel-module for use in another maschine? I'd have to re-install the nvidia way?
14:29<nvidia>im having trouble getting my nvidia drivers to work
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14:32<shizzlemeh>anyone know the name of oss ouput in /dev?
14:32<cahoot> /dev/dsp*
14:33<shizzlemeh>cahoot: it seems to only be input. when i capture it, i get the input of my microphones (not what's playing)
14:34<Aleric>johns: Do you have 64bit machine?
14:34<cahoot>shizzlemeh: AFAIK it's both ways
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14:34*johns does have a 64bit machine but assumes that message was for someone else :)
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14:35<Aleric>for him
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14:37<chealer>shizzlemeh: yes. it's /dev/dsp
14:38<chealer>Aleric: there is a way to get the latest nvidia driver through a .deb package.
14:38<shizzlemeh>chealer: any idea how to capture sound from it? I've tried ffmpeg -f oss -i /dev/dsp test.mp3 and getting but blank audio
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14:39<chealer>shizzlemeh: it's not possible
14:39<cahoot>shizzlemeh: you have a special reason to use oss?
14:39<shizzlemeh>cahoot: ffmpeg doesn't capture alsa (yet)
14:40<shizzlemeh>cahoot: basically, i want to capture output sound and webcam (video4linux2) video in the same stream
14:41<nvidia>what does it mean when it says im not in the sudoers file
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14:42<Aleric>nvidia: run visudo
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14:43<Aleric>nvidia: then add the line: carlo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
14:43<Aleric>where 'carlo' is your username, of course.
14:44<cahoot>shizzlemeh: wrong syntax?
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14:44<nvidia>visudo-command not found
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14:47<shizzlemeh>cahoot: yup, that's what i've been doing--but only captures input from webcam :( I guess I could just run a cable from my headphone jack to my microphone jack. Just seemed like there'd be a way to do it in software
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14:48<cahoot>shizzlemeh: jackd?
14:49<cahoot>shizzlemeh: err - might depend on alsa
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14:50<shizzlemeh>cahoot: worth a try! thanks for the link
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14:54<ddt-tr1>is there a way to force a reload of the usbcore module? modprobe -f -r usbcore
14:54<ddt-tr1>FATAL: Module usbcore is in use.
14:55<rgr>anyone recommend where best to discuss "git"?
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14:56<Aleric>rgr: it was written by Linus for kernel development,... so where kernel hackers are maybe?
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14:57<stew>rgr: #git on
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14:59<deniskolodin>I might translate Debian's documentation into Russian. How can I participate in this process? Help, please...
14:59<ddt-tr1>so your silence I assume I am sol.
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15:00<stew>deniskolodin: start with: and you might check #debian-russian as well
15:00<shizzlemeh>anyway to start two programs at the same time from command line?
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15:02<stew>shizzlemeh: "program1 & ; program2 &" would start both programs in the background
15:02<simonrvn>ddt-tr1: it's being used, obviously
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15:06<deniskolodin>stew: I've subscribed on that mail-list. And talking in #debian-russian room wasn't given result. (((
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15:10<dooglus>so I modprobe'ed the prism module: $ sudo modprobe p54usb
15:10<dooglus>dmesg shows: [ 848.948810] p54usb: cannot find firmware (isl3890usb)! -- where might I get that beast?
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15:13<dooglus>thanks :)
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15:21<LionsMane>Yet another silly question... which file system type should I use for formatting a bootable USB stick? There are several FAT16 variations.
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15:30<simonrvn>fat32 or fat16
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15:41<alba>how funny is that i cannot open a *.deb on debian? i must do something wrong... otherwise has no explanation.
15:42<cahoot>you should seldom need to op a .deb manually
15:43<alba>heh let's say i'm not very friends with opening files from the terminal
15:43<alba>never remember all the stuff to write
15:43<cahoot>what are you trying to accomplish?
15:43<alba>need to install s kype
15:43<alba>you know to call home without getting broke
15:44<alba>hmmm my mum only has skype in the computer
15:44<alba>to my granny would be okay because i call her to the landline
15:44<cahoot>alba: skype offers a deb for lenny?
15:44<alba>but i'm not sure if there's ekiga for windows
15:44<alba>hmmm not sure cahoot
15:44<alba>i downloaded the etch one...
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15:45<alba>the worse thing it wont work i guess
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15:45<alba>but for example with ubuntu it was the same one for a few distros
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15:45<alba>thought it may work
15:47<cahoot>alba: dpkg -i <the>.deb perhaps
15:48<alba>let's try :D cahoot you're saving my life today huuh '
15:48<deco>a question, which is the user for apache on debian?
15:49<nowhere_man>I have a torrent for which I downloaded 4Gb on machine A and 7Gb on machine B, machine A being my gateway to hell^Winternet and B being on my local network, how can I have B seed for A?
15:49<deco>a question, which is the user for apache on debian???
15:49<nowhere_man>I'm currently using ktorrent from experimental on A
15:49<deco>For example centos has a user apache...
15:49<nowhere_man>deco: www-data
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15:50<nowhere_man>deco: no need to repeat questions so fast
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15:50<deco>nowhere_man, ok!
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15:51<deco>nowwhere_man : but I can not see it in my passwd!
15:51<alba>that didnt work for the record
15:52<ebzzry>Hi! How do I know if I'm in a chroot or not?
15:52<cahoot>alba: you probably can use the 'static' version
15:52<deco>nowwhere_man, i have to create this usar?
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15:53<alba>hmm that may work... is in any repositories?
15:54<valdyn>ebzzry: you dont, unless you are root and can exit it
15:54<cahoot>alba: not as far as I know - skype offers it
15:54<nowhere_man>deco: is apache installed at all?
15:54<alba>ahaaa ok i will find it :D thanks a lot
15:55<ebzzry>valdyn: So if I'm in a chroot the only way for me to know is if I entered that chroot?
15:55<valdyn>ebzzry: yes
15:55<ebzzry>valdyn: So besides that, there's no command that one can use to check it?
15:55<deco>at all !
15:55<valdyn>ebzzry: nope
15:55<ebzzry>valdyn: Hmm. OK.
15:55<valdyn>ebzzry: that is the nature of a chroot
15:56<ebzzry>valdyn: OK :-)
15:56<deco>apache2, apache2.2-common, apache2-mpm-prefork
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15:57<nowhere_man>that's strange, I cannot find an occurrence of 'www-data' in /var/lib/dpkg/info
15:57<nowhere_man>I assumed apache's packages added that user
15:57<valdyn>ebzzry: theres some ways to find out if you are effectively chrooted, but they dont work always
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15:58<valdyn>ebzzry: and depend on how exactly that chroot was setup / looks like
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15:58<ebzzry>valdyn: What are those ways?
15:58<deco>and apache2-mod-php5
15:59<nowhere_man>deco: on one of my virtual machines, I have no apache package installed and the www-data user is present
15:59<valdyn>ebzzry: like arch being i386 while you already have 64-bit programs running
15:59<nowhere_man>so I guess it's created by the base install
16:00<valdyn>ebzzry: if arch output is i386 and i have like segfault at 86db3ee ip 0000003451059eec in dmesg
16:00<stew>nowhere_man: yes, 0-99 are preset in the passwd file from base_passwd:
16:00<valdyn>ebzzry: which is a 64-bit program segfaulting, chances are im in a 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit system
16:01<ebzzry>valdyn: Are there hints in the dmesg (inside the chroot) that I'm in a chroot?
16:01<valdyn>ebzzry: no
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16:01<deco>nowhare_man,, do you have this user in passwd?
16:01<valdyn>ebzzry: nothing direct
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16:01<ebzzry>valdyn: You said arch right? Is that reflected in the output of uname in the chroot?
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16:02<valdyn>ebzzry: yes
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16:03<ebzzry>valdyn: Hmm. The output of dmesg outside the chroot is the same as the one inside the chroot.
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16:03<valdyn>ebzzry: sure, thats why the thing i told above works
16:04<ebzzry>valdyn: OK
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16:06<LionsMane>OK, I used the "quick" version of the USB stick install. And I booted that.. Now I get a screen with a box, and the words "Press [TAB] to edit options" If I hit tab, I am asked for a password. Anythoughs on what the password would be ???
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16:06<LionsMane>This is supposed to be the USB install setup.
16:07<valdyn>LionsMane: why do you think you need to enter a password?
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16:07<LionsMane>valdyn, because when I hit enter or tab a new box comes up with the title "Password Required"
16:08<valdyn>LionsMane: this doesnt sound like a debian installer to me
16:08<LionsMane>I agree. I pulled it down from the Debian site.
16:08<valdyn>LionsMane: probably its your bios asking for a password
16:09<valdyn>LionsMane: whats 'a debian site' ? there's only 1
16:09<LionsMane>To be honest, I can't make heads or tails out of the file system that the "Easy Way" instructions have.
16:09<ebzzry>MotoHoss: Going
16:10<LionsMane>valdyn, I pulled it off this page:
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16:11<LionsMane>valdyn, I was looking for boot.img.gz as mentioned from the Debian install manual (at:
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16:11<valdyn>LionsMane: site is ok, i still think its your bios asking for the password
16:11<LionsMane>If there is an "official" place to get the boot.img.gz, I'll be happy to try again.
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16:11<valdyn>LionsMane: only debian stable is official
16:11<dpkg>4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>.
16:12<Bach1685>Can I ask a question about dhcp?
16:12<LionsMane>valdyn, It is not my bios asking for a password. I have an award bios, it is not set, and the installer I am using has a two tone gradient grey background.
16:13<Bach1685>I installed 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 on a Dell Vostro 200
16:13<Bach1685>since its network card is not recognized by the 2.6.18 kernel
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16:13<Bach1685>card is recognized now, and I see "link up" and "link down" when I plug/unplug the cable
16:13<Bach1685>but dhcp doesn't get an IP address
16:13<Bach1685>different machine on the same cable does
16:14<Bach1685>any hints as to what can be going wrong here?
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16:17<dooglus>dudeman: how do you get your information to show 'n=dudeman@unaffiliated/dudeman'?
16:17<MotoHoss>Bach1685: any messages in the logs?
16:18<Bach1685>MotoHoss: dmesg only says "Link is Up" etc., eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO
16:18<Bach1685>any other logs I should look in?
16:18<MotoHoss>dhclient is installed?
16:19<tdawgedogg>deb-src http://ftp.<country_code> lenny main contrib non-free what is the countryt code for the US for example?
16:19<Bach1685>yes, version 3.0.4
16:19<LionsMane>valdyn, I found a different boot.img.gz from That seemed to boot far better.
16:19<Bach1685>I see DHCPDISCOVERs being sent with different intervals
16:19<LionsMane>I got the debian splash and all the more normal looking goodies.
16:19<Bach1685>but it gives up after about 6 of them
16:20<Bach1685>Can this be a driver issue?
16:20<MotoHoss>Bach1685: hmmm /etc/network/interfaces? is correct?
16:20<Bach1685>The card in the Vostro 200 is relatively new, which is why I had to move to 2.6.26
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16:21<Bach1685>well, /etc/network/interfaces just says iface eth0 inet dhcp
16:21<seanysmotpoker>can anyone tell me why I can't ssh to my Mepis box?
16:21<MotoHoss>Bach1685: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
16:21<seanysmotpoker>I installed ssh via apt-get
16:21<Bach1685>(and auto lo eth0, and iface lo inet loopback)
16:22<seanysmotpoker>keeps rejecting password
16:22<Bach1685>OK, brb...
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16:22<Bach1685>don't have that file...
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16:23<Bach1685>wait, there is z25_persistent-net.rules
16:24<ebzzry>MotoHoss: Thanks for the tip. :-)
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16:24<Bach1685>which says about PCI device 0x8086:0x10c0 (e1000e):
16:24<MotoHoss>Bach1685: just one is listed?
16:25<Bach1685>SUBSYSTEM=-"net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{addresses}=="some mac address" NAME=
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16:25<MotoHoss>wait Bach.
16:25<MotoHoss>paste bin it.
16:25<Bach1685>MAC address is correct with the one listed in ifconfig.
16:25<Bach1685>I can't - this is a different machine
16:25<MotoHoss>does that listing match your card?
16:25<Bach1685>(with no net access :-D )
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16:26<seanysmotpoker>any help with mepis in here?
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16:26<seanysmotpoker>is anyone else running it also?
16:26<Bach1685>Sorry seany, running Etch here
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16:27<pgpkeys>If I see messages like "node `db4o' is not defined on the documentation map" during installation that is simply the Debian Online Help system announcing that there is no nodal information with which to register the docs correct? aka meaning the package isn't using that help system
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16:32<MotoHoss>Bach1685: Dun know what else to look at if the rule matches your card. I googled with +debian vostro 200 + dhcp... that might help you.
16:32<MotoHoss>oops typo.
16:32<Bach1685>OK, I'll google for that as well, perhaps I can find something out...
16:32<Bach1685>thanks for your effort!
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16:33<MotoHoss>ebzzry: hope it helps.
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16:33<ebzzry>MotoHoss: Yeah. Thanks.
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16:42<deco>thanks a lot!
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16:42<chuxxsss>anyone no if there is a 64 bit flashplayer for firefox
16:43<fernan>Hola mundo
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16:44<Lethalman>I can't understand how I can remove compiz and restart using metacity
16:45<Lethalman>I removed it from the session
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16:45<Lethalman>I'm wrong, it's there in another place :O
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16:49<Thompson>Could anyone here help me install virtualbox-ose?
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16:54<fernan>joder no van los p.. canales leche
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16:55<dam85>hello everybody
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16:56<dam85>i'm using debian etch ... there is a kernel error: this error has blocked my server
16:56<dam85>i have 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Oct 10 05:11:18 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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16:58<fernan>joder no va ...
16:58<dam85>another bug has blocked the server
16:58<dam85>what can i do?
16:58<dam85>whick kernel version i have to use?
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17:00<dam85>could someone help me?
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17:03<ranix>dam85: what processor do you have
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17:04<Hughes>Hello, I've just installed debian lenny on a computer with four gb of RAM, but it's only showing up at 3.2 in the system monitor. Anybody know how to fix this?
17:04<ranix>Hughes: what kernel
17:05<Hughes>what do I type to see that.. cat /proc .. something?
17:05<Hughes>It's debian testing... as it was last week.
17:05<ranix>uname -r
17:06<dam85>ranix: amd64
17:06<ranix>Hughes: 3.2 gigs of ram is the upper limit for a 32 bit processor
17:06<ranix>Hughes: You will want to run a 64 bit kernel
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17:07<ranix>Hughes: try grabbing an amd64 kernel
17:07<Hughes>So with a core 2 duo, I can run a 64bit kernel and have 4gb memory?
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17:07<ranix>if using the amd64 kernel
17:07<Hughes>But isn't it better to run the 32 bit kernel?
17:07<ranix>!tell Hughes about amd64
17:07<ranix>better is relative
17:07<ranix>some programs have issues with 64
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17:07<ranix>like adobe flash
17:08<dam85>ranix: what can i do?
17:08<ranix>dam85: you're over my head with that one, ask mwilson or someone older than me
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17:08<Hughes>ranix: Perhaps it would be a good idea to try it in VM first?
17:08<ranix>Hughes: you can install kernels with apt these days kiddo
17:09<ranix>Hughes: it will automatically update grub's menu.lst and you can choose at boot. Won't hose your system
17:09<Hughes>serious? So how do I do that?
17:09<ranix>apt-cache search linux-kernel
17:09<ranix>or kernel-image
17:09<ranix>I forget
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17:09<Neo_The_User>i can't get mplayer to play mp3s in command line. I have 168 packages installed so i think i dont have the necessary packages.
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17:09<Hughes>and then I can remove it with apt as well?
17:10<Hughes>Neo_The_User: search for lamemp3
17:10<dam85>is there someone can help me?
17:10<Neo_The_User>thanks Hughes
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17:10<Neo_The_User>can i play videos in command line via frame buffer? dumb question
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17:11<Hughes>Neo_The_User: Yes (with mplayer).
17:11<Neo_The_User>so i guess i dont need a GUI for anything anymore. Thanks again Hughes.
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17:12<Hughes>Neo_The_User: Likely not... There's even lynx2 for web-browsing without GUI.
17:12<Neo_The_User>i use links2
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17:12<Hughes>That's right, links2.
17:12<Neo_The_User>lynx vs links2
17:12<Hughes>lynx is the text-mode version.
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17:13<Neo_The_User>so in command line i type in lamemp3 *mp3 file here* right?
17:13<Hughes>You're wanting to play an mp3 file in the command line?
17:14<ranix>Neo_The_User: I use madplay for mp3
17:14<Neo_The_User>so madplay *mp3 file here* right?
17:14<ranix>Neo_The_User: screen w/pork and irssi for messaging
17:14<Hughes>I recommend moc
17:14<ranix>madplay <file> iirc
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17:14<Hughes>"apt-get install moc" --- and then to play use the command "mocp"
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17:14<ranix>there's also a nice curses based mp3 player
17:14<ranix>forgot it's name
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17:15<ranix>mplayer can also play movies in the virtual terminal if you have a DRI capable video card
17:15<Hughes>MOC has lots of options also.
17:15<Neo_The_User>i use alt f2 to switch screens. is that ok or is there a better way?
17:15<ranix>or a really fast processor
17:15<Hughes>That's standard.
17:15<ranix>I've switched to using X so I can share input between this and my windows computer though
17:15<ranix>I prefer to web browse on the larger monitor
17:16<Neo_The_User>fast processor? I use AMD Athlon 2000+
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17:16<ranix>Neo_The_User: greek to me, I've been using intel since my 266mhz k6
17:16<Neo_The_User>im an AMD / ATi fanboy
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17:16<Neo_The_User>never had problems with it.
17:16<ranix>I have had problems with ATI
17:16<ranix>and nvidia
17:17<Neo_The_User>nvidia is a pain for me
17:17<ranix>overall I have to say ATI is better at what it does
17:17<Neo_The_User>dual monitors
17:17<ranix>ati is also cheaper
17:17<Neo_The_User>dual montiors for an nvidia card is like hiring Michael Vic to take care of your dog.
17:17<ranix>nvidia does dual monitors fine
17:18<Neo_The_User>hmm. not for me
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17:18<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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17:19<ranix>I love how you wait until the conversation has ended, simonrvn
17:19<simonrvn>didn't look ended to me, but *shrug*
17:19<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
17:20<ranix>you can test the bot with a /msg also
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17:21<Neo_The_User>dam85, are you confused about something rather?
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17:22<Hughes>Having trouble setting up virtualbox --- I'm getting the error that says: The VirtualBox kernel driver is not accessible to the current user. Make sure that the user has write permissions for /dev/vboxdrv by adding them to the vboxusers groups. You will need to logout for the change to take effect...
17:22<Hughes>But I've added the user that's running it to the group vboxusers. (adduser <user> vboxusers)
17:22<dam85>Neo_The_User: today my server has crashed two times for this kernel errors
17:23<simonrvn>Hughes: it's very explicit as to what's demanded. your user will already be so, if it's the debian packages.
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17:23<dam85>how to fix this problem?
17:23<dam85>i'm using debian etch
17:23<simonrvn>Hughes: just do `id' and logout (completely) and login again
17:23<simonrvn>Hughes: id command is to check it your are or not
17:24<Neo_The_User>how do you shut down debian via command line?
17:24<Hughes>I ran ID and it's showing up... What do you mean by "log out completely", you mean reboot or just go System>Logout
17:24<Hughes>Neo_The_User: shutdown -t now
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17:24<simonrvn>no, i mean logout
17:25<simonrvn>reboot != logging out
17:25<Neo_The_User>whats the low level way to do it? telinit 0 or something?
17:25<simonrvn>i.e., exit any and all session you have running
17:25<simonrvn>that IS NOT logging out
17:25<Hughes>okay so I'm going to reboot and try it...
17:25<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
17:25<dam85>with a contrl panel
17:25<Hughes>Wait, do I reboot or what do I do?
17:26<dpkg>hmm... shutdown is "shutdown -h" now, or ask me about <poweroff>
17:26<dpkg>If your older system doesn't power off after `shutdown -h now', append "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel's command line. See for more information.
17:26<dam85>Neo_The_User: say to me?
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17:26<simonrvn>Hughes: in shell: exit; in x: exit the session
17:26<Hughes>okay, trying.. .one moment.
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17:26<Neo_The_User>i love dpkg.
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17:27<dam85>Neo_The_User: what can i do?
17:27<Neo_The_User>dam85, im a debian noob. cant help.
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17:27<Hughes>simonrvn: Nope, still not working.
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17:27<Hughes>I'm getting the same error message.
17:28<simonrvn>do sg vboxusers
17:28<simonrvn>then run it
17:28<Hughes>Nope, same error
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17:29<Neo_The_User>when dpkg said editing my kernel's command line, what did he mean?
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17:30<bitches>how do you install icebox
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17:31<stevecotton>Neo_The_User: like any other program, the kernel takes command-line arguments from the bootloader
17:31<stevecotton>are you using Lilo or Grub?
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17:32<Hughes>stevecotton: Is it possible to install multiples of the same kernel, and give them different names in the Grub list?
17:32<Neo_The_User>what does the boot loader have anything to do with anything? im so lost
17:32<stevecotton>Neo_The_User: as the bug says, you add something to /etc/lilo.conf
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17:33<stevecotton>the boot loader runs first, then it starts the kernel
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17:33<Hughes>simonrvn: Do you have any further suggestions?
17:33<Neo_The_User>-h is halt. when i hit the num lock key, it turns back on, i want my comp to be shutdown all the way so i have to reach down there and push the power button
17:34<simonrvn>Hughes: for?
17:34<Hughes>Making virtualbox work...
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17:34<Neo_The_User>whats the low level way to power it off? it is very similar to the command that goes something like this. telinit 0
17:34<simonrvn>Neo_The_User: BIOS setting, turn it off
17:34<simonrvn>Hughes: same error?
17:34<Hughes>Yeah, I did the sg thing.
17:34<Hughes>It's still exactly the same.
17:34<Hughes>Here, I'll post the entire error...
17:34<Neo_The_User>simonrvn, you have a great sense of humor
17:35<stevecotton>Neo_The_User: ah that could be different. There's probably some "Wake on keyboard" setting in your BIOS. As Simon says, try turning it off.
17:35<simonrvn>oh, duh me. forgot to do chgrp vboxusers /dev/vboxdrv
17:35<Neo_The_User>but -h means halt. not off
17:35<Neo_The_User>-h is similar to hibernate
17:35<simonrvn>halt == off
17:35<Neo_The_User>simonrvn, are you positive?
17:36<Neo_The_User>whats the init command to power it off?
17:36<simonrvn>if it isn't /msg dpkg acpi halt
17:36<Neo_The_User>dpkg !halt
17:36<dpkg>Neo_The_User: i haven't a clue
17:36<simonrvn>lemme check that factoid first
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17:37<dpkg>acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see
17:37<simonrvn>whatever... you need to install acpid then
17:37<Hughes>simonrvn: That worked, but now I've got this:
17:37<dam85>is it possibile to install an old kernel version?
17:37<Neo_The_User>what does shutdown now do?
17:37<dam85>18-1 example
17:38<Neo_The_User>without a -h?
17:38<Hughes>simonrvn: And here's the command I installed virtualbox with (apt-get install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-modules-`uname -r`)
17:38<dam85>i don't see this version when i serach with apt.get
17:38<bitches>wget && sudo dpkg -i install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
17:38<bitches>why is it that when i do that
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17:38<bitches>it won't let me install
17:38<simonrvn>Hughes: you need to rebuild the module - /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
17:38<bitches>it says i'm not in th sudoers list
17:38<Hughes>Just run that command?
17:38<bitches>or some crap
17:38<simonrvn>bitches: visudo
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17:39<Hughes>simonrvn: bash: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: No such file or directory
17:39<bitches>vi is that eye?
17:39<bitches>vee eye
17:40<Hughes>simonrvn: Usage: virtualbox-ose {start|stop|force-stop|restart|force-reload|status}
17:40<simonrvn>scroll up
17:41<simonrvn>Hughes: ah you're using the debian one... aptitude install module-assistant then cd /usr/src then run sudo m-a a-i virtualbox-ose
17:43<Neo_The_User>saying the word crap is allowed in this channel?
17:43<Hughes>simonrvn: What's m-a a-i do exactly?
17:43<Hughes>I accidently ran m-a a-i, instead of m-a a-i virtualbox-ose
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17:43<Neo_The_User>is virtualbox the open version of vmware?
17:44<dmoerner>it's a competitor
17:44<bitches>Neo_The_User, did you grow up in the monestary? Good lord.. you get offended when someone says crap
17:44<simonrvn>Hughes: m-a is module-assistant; a-i is auto-install. runs a series of commands in order
17:44<Neo_The_User>i never said i was OFFENDED. there are kids here.
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17:44<Hughes>is it bad that I put in m-a a-i instead of m-a a-i virtualbox? Is this going to hose the system?
17:45<dmoerner>Hughes, you are building every possible module right now, i think. i would abort it
17:45<simonrvn>it's gonna error out, IIRC
17:45<bitches>Kids shouldn't be allowed in a chatroom until they are mature enough to decide weather they can say CRAP or not.
17:45<bitches>kthnx bye
17:45<Neo_The_User>simonrvn, how do you know so much?
17:45<Hughes>OKay I stopped it... could you tell me how to undo whatever it is that it did?
17:45<simonrvn>"whether". at least have good spelling if you're gonna chew someone out ;).
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17:45<bitches>Oh stop
17:46*simonrvn grins
17:46<Neo_The_User>its raining. ahhh!
17:46<simonrvn>Neo_The_User: i know nothin'
17:46<Neo_The_User>lol doesn't make it sound like your laughing. its sounds like an ignorant AOL user. please use heh or ha instead.
17:47<simonrvn> |
17:47<simonrvn>/ \
17:47<simonrvn>loldude strikes again
17:47<Hughes>simonrvn: Could you tell me how to undo what I just did by putting in m-a a-i?
17:47<simonrvn>control-c it
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17:47<dam85>kernel error: and how to fix?
17:47<Hughes>I did...
17:47<simonrvn>i don't know what happened ;)
17:48<Hughes>But it's installed a bunch of shit
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17:48<simonrvn>oh just remove them then, it would've dumped a bunch of .debs in ../ just remove those; dpkg -P <packagename>
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17:49<Hughes>simonrvn: Where?
17:49<simonrvn>oh, maybe just in PWD
17:50<Hughes>and the m-a a-i virtualbox-ose command didn't work... it says build failed.
17:50<simonrvn>check the log
17:50<Hughes>There's nothing in it.
17:51<dmoerner>Hughes, apt-get install virtualbox-ose-source
17:51<dmoerner>and try again
17:52<Hughes>It's returned an error...
17:52<Hughes>I can't install virtualbox-ose-source.
17:52<torrr>My totem doesn't play mms:// well
17:52<dpkg>if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too
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17:53<Neo_The_User>thanks simonrvn
17:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, totem is a gnome movie player that can use either libxine or gstreamer. packaged as totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
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17:55<Neo_The_User>im taking off now. thanks for all your support.
17:55<dpkg>Cya, neo_the_user
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17:55<torrr>This web site video:
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17:55<torrr>I use gstreamer on etch
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17:59<simonrvn>there's an -mms pluging for gstreamer IIRC, install that
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18:02<torrr>simonrvn, Yes, before I installed it I had a popup saying that mms is an unknown protocol or something like that
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18:02<torrr>simonrvn, but now it just don't work
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18:11<simonrvn>torrr: how doesn't it not work? doesn't load the url, what?
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18:12<torrr>simonrvn, I don't see the movie
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18:13<torrr>simonrvn, If I open it by a right click then it either crush or show nothing and then hang
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18:23<simonrvn>torrr: eh, sometimes it's crap :/. try with mplayer
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18:24<torrr>how can I set mplayer for epiphany?
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18:41<debacle>Hi all, i'm recursively un'tar'ing files in a shell script . Every time i see the mesage tar: Removing leading `/' from member names. How can i suppress from output this boring message ?
18:42<debacle>is this message a strd or stdout message ?
18:42<debacle>is this message a stderr or stdout message ?
18:42<ADO>tryit and see
18:43<simonrvn>torrr: 'cause frankly, sometimes some sites put up a scrwed up mms stream and gstreamer tends to be picky... so it gets handed this screwed up thing and pukes on it. mplayer is less picky.
18:43<ADO>if you do "tar ... > stdout.txt" then stdout will end up in stdout.txt and stderr will be printed on the console
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18:43<debacle>so thereis no particular rule to distinguish them. It only a programmer choice. isn't it ?
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18:44<ADO>pretty much, but its likely that warnings like that are on stderr
18:44<debacle>ADO: thank you
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18:46<torrr>simonrvn, I agree, though most people I asked said their totem ran the site video all right, but they had more addvanced version then my etch
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18:46<simonrvn>torrr: oh yeh, that could be, more recent gstreamer/totem versions can handle things better.
18:47<torrr>I installed mplayer, and now in iceweasel it works :D
18:48<torrr>How did it know to replace totem? I didn't instruct that :S
18:48<simonrvn>possibly through alternatives
18:48<debacle>ADO: please help
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18:48<debacle>ADO: tar xvfp - &> /dev/null do not work
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18:49<simonrvn>debacle: ignore that. it's coming through on STDERR
18:49<ADO>was it on stdout or stderr?
18:49<torrr>epiphany also works
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18:49<debacle>ADO: & should mean both
18:49<stew>debacle: you are telling tar to untar something, and send the untarred output to stdout, then you are telling the shell to throw away stdout
18:49<simonrvn>um, why do you want -v on tar when you don't want output?
18:50<torrr>are there any "only windows" plugins?
18:50<stew>and why do you want - if you are going to throw everything away
18:50<simonrvn>torrr: win32codecs or such
18:50<torrr>(these days)
18:50<ADO>i think you need the "f" at the end don't you?
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18:51<simonrvn>ADO: he does, or at least pointing to the file, -f <file>
18:51<torrr>grate I can see wmv...
18:51<torrr>... now I need to find wmv-block
18:51<torrr>So I will not have to see it
18:51<debacle>ADO: here is the complete line ... (cd "`dirname "$destvol/backup$file"`" && tar cf - "$destvol/backup$file" ) | (cd $trashdir && tar xvfp - &> /dev/null )
18:51<simonrvn>adblock plus maybe ? ;)
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18:52<debacle>ADO: the second tar is pringing the boring message
18:52<stew>ADO: no, f doesn't have to be at the end anymore
18:53<simonrvn>oh neat
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18:55<ADO>debacle: i'm a little confused as to what you are trying to achieve, you seem to be taring some stuff then extracting it into /dev/null...
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18:56<debacle>ADO: look here, see tip 2.6 this is a very intersing way to move files with dir herarchy
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18:57<debacle>i'm trying to suppress the message tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
18:57<ADO>i see...
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18:59<mike>\is anyone else here?
18:59<ADO>so $destvol is probably a full path
19:00<mike>i am still learning how to use this irc
19:00<ADO>which is why the errors are occuring
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19:01<overflow>I need to create a user when my package is installed, is any special debian (or maybe debconf) way to do that?
19:01<ADO>what would probably make sense is if you can do the "opposite" of dirname for the tar input
19:01<debacle>ADO: yes: $destvol is a full path
19:02<debacle>ADO: if i do the opposite, it like doing a simple mv. i need to keep all the directory tree
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19:03<debacle>ADO: the problem is how to suppress this hated message
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19:04<ADO>from my experimentation it seems like the *first* tar might be generating the message
19:04<debacle>ADO: really ?
19:05<debacle>ADO: Please excuse ... i feel so stupid !
19:05<ADO>ado@ado-gentoo ~ $ tar -cf test.tar /home/ado/notes.txt
19:05<ADO>tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
19:05<debacle>ADO: ecuse again
19:05<debacle>ADO: excuse again
19:06<ADO>np, i do that kind of thing all the time :(
19:06<themill>cd / && tar -cf test.tar home/ado/notes.txt
19:06<themill>(or use the -C option to tar)
19:07<ADO>so perhaps, (cd "`dirname "$destvol/backup$file"`" && tar -C "`dirname "$destvol/backup$file"`" cf - "$destvol/backup$file" ) | ...
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19:07<ADO>no, that won't work...
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19:07<debacle>ADO: (cd "`dirname "$destvol/backup$file"`" && tar cf - "$destvol/backup$file" ) 2> /dev/null | (cd $trashdir && tar xvfp - )
19:07<ADO>does it work?
19:08<debacle>ADO: yes
19:08<ADO>spiffing :)
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19:08*themill wonders why tar is being used at all in this
19:08<ADO>you are just going to get full paths from / in the output directory
19:08<ADO>anyhow, i think its bed time...
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19:10<debacle>ADO: i've lst about 30 mins working on the second tar output ... and the message was generated by the first .... be very
19:10<debacle>ADO : thank you again for helping me
19:10<themill>debacle: of course you've suppressed *all* error messages now, which is probably not what you want.
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19:11<deniz>i have lokkit (the firewall)..i typed su then lokkit and set up the firewall to high security but how do i have it actually run and protect me? (like i want to USE it and so far i only configured it)
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19:12<debacle>themill: i'm using tar 'cause is able to rebuild file directory structure in a flash.
19:12<themill>debacle: what you are doing would probably be easier with rsync
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19:13<debacle>themill: i know *all* erro has been suppressed ... but ... what to do ... it's a stderr message
19:14<themill>debacle: I've given you two suggestions; have you tried them? (well, three if you count using rsync as well)
19:14<debacle>i'm already using rsync ... but i need to fix something first running rsync.
19:15<debacle>themill: mine is a _really_ crazy job !
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19:41<tkoski>Good night!
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20:41<tdawgedogg>can someone help me install these nvidia drivers from shell....x server cant start and i looked at the wiki
20:43<tdawgedogg>im getting all these no such file or directory after i add the sources to the sources.list and then when i run apt-get update i get all these stat (2 no file or directory)
20:45<solca>tdawgedogg: what is your debian version?
20:46<tdawgedogg>um...the newest one 4 i think...i just downloaded it last night
20:47<tdawgedogg>basically it wont boot into xserver because it wont detect my screen in im trying to get it booted into xserver
20:47<solca>so you already do 'apt-get install nividia-glx'?
20:48<tdawgedogg>couldnt find package
20:48<tdawgedogg>when i type that
20:48<solca>that package is only at Debian Sid I think
20:48<solca>so you download the driver from nvidia?
20:49<tdawgedogg>i guess...i dont know how to do much from shell
20:49<tdawgedogg>if i was in server i could find a .deb and download it
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20:49<solca>you just have to download it from and run in like this: ./NVIDIA* -N
20:50<tdawgedogg>i dont know how to navigate to websites and download stuff in shell
20:50<tdawgedogg>lol sorry
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20:52<tdawgedogg>i have a 9800gx2 if that helps so i need the very newest nvidia drivers
20:52<ranix>tdawgedogg: get the drivers from the nvidia website
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20:52<tdawgedogg>i understand do i navigate to the website in terminal
20:53<solca>tdawgedogg: run this:
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20:53<solca>wget ""
20:53<solca>then: chmod +x *.run
20:53<solca>then finally: ./NVIDIA*.run -N
20:53<ranix>I wanted to say something snappy about this not being a support room for basic tasks such as web browsing, copying a file, or picking one's nose
20:53<ranix>but you beat me to it by actually helping
20:54<teratoma>and now you have!
20:54*ranix gives teratoma a big high-five!
20:54<tdawgedogg>haha yes sorry ranix...once i get xserver going i can do everything :)
20:54<adb>do "xserver-xorg "
20:54<solca>ranix: I don't think 3 lines of help should bother you
20:55<ranix>solca: the contrary, I think it was excellent
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21:04<tdawgedogg>solca: after typing the wget part i get a resolving temporary failure in name resolution
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21:05<solca>tdawgedogg: hmm... it seems your networking is not configured
21:05<tdawgedogg>like i log into windows and internet works ifne
21:06<tdawgedogg>i just plugged in to the other ethernet port and its says r8169: eth1: link up
21:06<teratoma>ok maybe this channel is too advanced for you
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21:15<teratoma>they are more helpful in #debian-kernel
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21:35<MethodOne>how do i get a weekly snapshot of the debian lenny i386 isos that are more recent than october 6?
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23:13<teratoma>is there anything wrong with making all of my partitions xfs ?
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23:20<rtol>hola xD
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23:59<Shimshon>hi there
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23:59<Shimshon>anyone here??
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23:59<Shimshon>you fucking whores
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