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---Logopened Thu Oct 23 00:00:05 2008
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00:00<Shimshon>fuck debian
00:00<Shimshon>longlife fedora
00:00<Shimshon>fuck you all
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00:00<MotoHoss>'tis not my lot in life to please you.
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00:03*blal applauds Shimshon.
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00:04<adb>dpkg-reconfigure Shimshon
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00:37<macrohard_> can neyone solve this problem
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01:11<tdawgedogg>when i restart i get stuck at a shell screen that says bin/sh cant access tty; job control turned off (initramfs)
01:11<enouf>adb: problem solved ;-)
01:12<enouf>tdawgedogg: yeah, that's busybox with ash as the shell - that's too late to be of any use
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01:13<tdawgedogg>wait what?
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01:14<tdawgedogg>im trying to get xserver to boot
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01:17<teratoma>is there a lenny-proposed-updates ? am i crazy ?
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01:19<ed00m>alguien de concepcion, chile?
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01:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
01:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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01:26<enouf>50/50 chance :-P
01:27<chealer>alguien -> es. alguem -> br
01:27<enouf>ok - /me ignoramus
01:27<tdawgedogg>how do i not boot into busybox
01:28<enouf>tdawgedogg: check logs to see what
01:28<enouf>tdawgedogg: check logs to see what's wrong
01:28<tdawgedogg>target filesystem doesnt have sbin/init
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01:28<enouf>ruh roh, not good
01:29<tdawgedogg>scooby dooby doo
01:29<tdawgedogg>i have a windows partition on a different hard drive
01:29<enouf>that's nice
01:30<tdawgedogg>ah i just figured thta had something to do with it
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01:31<enouf>for Xserver errors see /var/log/Xorg.*.log - but those errors are far beyond xserver errors
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01:32<jm_>tdawgedogg: you need to read the kernel output to find out why it can't mount /
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01:33<jm_>also, think about what has changed before it started doing this
01:34<tdawgedogg>well first i couldnt detect screen from clean install of debian
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01:34<tdawgedogg>so i installed nvidia drivers
01:34<tdawgedogg>and rebooted
01:34<tdawgedogg>and that was it
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01:35<jm_>maybe it installed a new kernel
01:35<tdawgedogg>oh ya it did
01:35<tdawgedogg>ok i selected the older kernal
01:35<tdawgedogg>damn still xserver error
01:35<jm_>it should have left the old kernel in boot loader's config file
01:36<jm_>right, find out old and new kernel versions
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01:36<tdawgedogg>u want them? i can reboot and check
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01:36<jm_>you can find both from the old kernel, no need to reboot
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01:37<jm_>tdawgedogg: first you need to fix the new kernel boot, and please talk in the channel
01:38<tdawgedogg>im fine booting into the old kernal :)
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01:44<enouf>tdawgedogg: 1) what version of debian did you install? Etch? 2) what's your hardware? 3) which Arch?
01:45<enouf>oh, old kernel boot == all workey? ok
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01:47<tdawgedogg>i have a core2duo and a nvida graphics card
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01:51<bugsbunny>aptitude (and update manager) are showing me a false update, any clue on where to look to clear it?
01:52<bugsbunny>aptitude update returns: Current status: 0 broken [+0], 0 updates [+0], 9416 new [+0]
01:52<bugsbunny>aptitude install returns: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded
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01:53<jm_>try aptitude -s upgrade
01:54<bugsbunny>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
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01:54<bugsbunny>that was -s upgrade
01:55<jm_>that's the whole output?
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01:55<bugsbunny>W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead.
01:55<bugsbunny>Reading package lists... Done
01:55<bugsbunny>Building dependency tree
01:55<bugsbunny>Reading state information... Done
01:55<bugsbunny>Reading extended state information
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01:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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01:57<bugsbunny>oops - got kicked :( sorry
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01:57<bugsbunny>won't happen again
01:58<bugsbunny>anyway that was the output
02:00<jm_>we didn't see the output
02:00<bugsbunny>OK, here it is 1 line at a time
02:00<bugsbunny>W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead
02:01<bugsbunny>Reading package lists... Done
02:01<bugsbunny>Building dependency tree
02:01<bugsbunny>Reading state information... Done
02:01<bugsbunny>Reading extended state information
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02:02<jm_>just paste it on a paste site instead
02:02<bugsbunny>Initializing package states... Done
02:02<bugsbunny>It's not that long, else I would, almost done
02:02<bugsbunny>Reading task descriptions... Done
02:02<bugsbunny>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed
02:03<jm_>that was only 9 lines too long
02:03<bugsbunny>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
02:03<bugsbunny>that's it
02:03<jm_>might be it's not downloadable then, try apt-show-versions
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02:07<bugsbunny>hmm, could this cause it?
02:07<bugsbunny>wine/etch downgradeable from 1.1.5-1 to 1.1.1~winehq0~debian~4.0-1
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02:08<jm_>I would have hoped not
02:08<bugsbunny>let me try something
02:09<bitches>how do i install a tar.gz?
02:09<bitches>in the terminal
02:10<Torsten_W>unpack it, read the README or INSTALL
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02:11<dpkg>Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers
02:12<bitches>Can you just right click and "extraxt file"?
02:12<bitches>with a tar
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02:14<alba>morning :D
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02:15<bitches>Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
02:15<bitches>I just installed AFP10
02:15<bugsbunny>jm-> that is what caused it. I downgraded wine and it went away. I'm going to try ro install the experimental wine package now and see what happens (the version I had in there was self compiled from experimental source)
02:15<bitches>and all firefox windows were closed
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02:21<bugsbunny>OK, I just installed the version from experimental (back to 1.1.5-1) and it's showing the "1 not upgraded" message again
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02:23<erKURITA>bugsbunny, have you tried executing apt-get dist-upgrade ?
02:24<bugsbunny>I've used aptitude with both safe and full upgrade, but not apt-get
02:26<bugsbunny>at this stage I think it's a bug, since downgrading caused it to go away. I'm just not sure which package the bug is against
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02:27<bugsbunny>my guess is apt since upgrade manager also shows a problem (indicates that updates are available, start it up and it says up to date)
02:28<jm_>they will tag it against the right package if you submit it against the wrong one, so not to worry
02:29<bugsbunny>Classification=normal or important? normal I would think
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02:31<jm_>normal I think
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02:31<bugsbunny>OK - thanks much. This one was driving me batty for a few days. At least now I know why :)
02:32<enouf>bugsbunny: sometimes a depends is not available (happens even in sid)
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02:34<enouf>(though, i don't know if maybe it's only a Recommends: that's not availble - perhaps - that's aptitude's default - could try installing exper pkg using -R)
02:34<alba>hmm what;s the command to update from the terminal apt-get update and next apt-get upgrade??
02:35<enouf>!debian mantra
02:35<dpkg>from memory, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"
02:35<alba>thanks enouf :)
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02:35<bugsbunny>I have the configuration set to not auto-install recommends. All the depends installed fine
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02:35<alba>*and good morning)
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02:38<bugsbunny>FWIW aptitude upgrade is now aptitude safe-upgrade (and dist-upgrade = full-upgrade). The older forms still work but are deprecated
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02:44<enouf>buon giorno ;-)
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02:51<bitches>Do you have to extract a tar.gz in the terminal, or can you just right click and extract?
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02:52<alba>i guess it depends on what you want to do with it bitches
02:52<bitches>i am trying to install adobe flash player plugin
02:52<bitches>and i close out all browsers, install it, and it still doesn't show up
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02:53<alba>then probably you will need to install it from the terminal but i aint good with that... have you tried using synaptic? it works just fine for me...
02:53<alba>i am not sure of how to install a tar from the terminal sorry
02:53<bitches>yes, but i can't get the flashplugin-nonfree
02:54<bitches>and i don't know why
02:54<bitches>when i search, it won't show any results
02:54<alba>hmm maybe the repositories? i dont know im just guessing
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02:54<alba>but maybe you d nt have the repository added let me check something
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02:57<alba>which debian are you using bitches ?
02:57<bitches>etch 4.0
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02:57<enouf>wtf? my net is dead?
02:58<bitches>net is dead eh?
02:59<alba>mine is going like a slooow thing
02:59<alba>seems all the buildiing is connected
02:59<bitches>what repositroy is it?
02:59<bitches>that i need
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03:00<alba>im trying to find it bitches
03:00<bitches>and do i need to add something to this? main contrib non-free
03:01<alba>deb lenny main contrib non-free
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03:03<bitches>do i type that in terminal?
03:03<chealer>bitches: you don't have to extract a tar.gz in the terminal
03:04<bitches>or just add debian then custom
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03:05<alba>that's how my line looks bitches
03:05<alba>but for lenny yours should be for etch
03:05<alba>but just a sec i think i may be able to find you how to do it... you are using gnome or kde?
03:05<alba>look bitches there you have a .deb maybe is easier to install than the tar
03:05<alba>it seems i cannot find the repo
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03:06<alba>bitches, its a link you will download the plugin in a .deb package
03:06<alba>those just get open with a double click and you can install them
03:06<alba>its way easy
03:06<alba>i am still looking for the repository
03:07<sangi>hi all
03:07<alba>but with the .deb you shouldnt have any problem to install it
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03:09<bitches>can't install something that doesn't have an install icon
03:09<alba>hmm do you have the package? the .deb?
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03:10<alba>so open it
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03:10<bitches>double click?
03:10<alba>and in the bottom right corner says install :D
03:11<bitches>no install thing
03:11<jm_>so install it from a terminal
03:11<alba>that jm_ you will have to tell him im not certain how to do it
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03:12<alba>jeeeez my network is slow today
03:12<bitches>And how would i do it from a terminal?
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03:12<alba>and i mean PAINFULLY slow
03:12<alba>dpkg -i name of the package i think bitches
03:12*dpkg removes a kidney from alba and replaces it with name of the package i think bitches
03:12<alba>oh yeah nice
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03:13<alba>dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb i would say bitches
03:13*dpkg installs flashplugin-nonfree_1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb i would say bitches into alba's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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03:13<sangi>I get an error like failed to add win32-loader wen compiling debian-installer
03:13<sangi>how could i sove it
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03:16<sangi>could anyone help me in this regard
03:16<alba>no idea sangi
03:17<alba>have you tried to google the error message?
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03:18<alba>bitches, i am wondering if that worked or something exploded in the way :p
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03:19<ooddtod>hey guys i was wondering if i could do a constant backup
03:19<ooddtod>between two folders on two different hdd's?
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03:20<jm_>what's a constant backup?
03:20<sangi>alba, yes i tried googling but didnt get proper solution
03:21<ooddtod>jm_ kinda like raid 1
03:21<ooddtod>just with folders instead of drives
03:22<jm_>ooddtod: you will need to sync them manually (and it's directories)
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03:23<bitches>well i guess i'll never be able to watch a youtube video on linux
03:23<Guest52>oh you will bitches
03:23<Guest52>give me some seconds because i need to sort out something with my nick :D
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03:24<bitches>i'll figure it out later
03:24<bitches>need sleep
03:24<binarymutant>bitches: youtube-dl
03:25<binarymutant>download youtube videos from the command line :)
03:25<jm_>!desc youtube-dl
03:25<binarymutant>sudo apt-get install youtube-dl
03:25<[agatha]>anyway shouldnt be so hard to get flash plugin to work...
03:25<[agatha]>i just dont know in which repo is that
03:25<dpkg>youtube-dl: download videos from
03:25<[agatha]>but seems bitches doesnt have it added
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03:26<amphi>!youtube script
03:26<dpkg>i heard youtube script is see so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg
03:26<bitches>i deleted something in synaptic
03:26<bitches>and now it givesme an error
03:27<bitches>E: Type '' is not known on line 14 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
03:27<[agatha]>did you added the line i showed you above in etc/apt/sources.list bitches ?
03:27<[agatha]>*did you add jeez my english
03:27<[agatha]>sounds like you have it added on the file
03:28<bitches>debian:/home/xtreme# sudo apt-get install youtube-dl
03:28<bitches>E: Type '' is not known on line 14 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
03:28<bitches>E: The list of sources could not be read.
03:28<[agatha]>hmm so you should go to /etc/apt/sources.list and delete that line
03:28<binarymutant>pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
03:28<[agatha]>because it seems its not reading it
03:28<[agatha]>but yes binarymutant is right... maybe is better to pastebin it
03:29<bitches>debian:/home/xtreme# /etc/apt/sources.list
03:29<bitches>bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
03:29<binarymutant>you'll have to use sudo
03:29<binarymutant>root only file
03:29<binarymutant>and vim to read it I guess
03:29<[agatha]>i think he's in a root terminal already
03:29<[agatha]>so nano /etc/atp/sources.list
03:30<[agatha]>or vim or pico
03:30<binarymutant>yeah something
03:30<[agatha]>any of them will do
03:30<binarymutant>ed, emacs, gedit ...
03:30<[agatha]>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
03:30<[agatha]>like that
03:30<[agatha]>wowo binarymutant didnt know there were so many :p
03:30<[agatha]>does anyone want a coffee? im gonna grab one
03:31<amphi>[agatha]: that's only a small sample ;)
03:31<bitches>there is nothing
03:31<suiside>already had a cup
03:31<[agatha]>jeeee amphi don't tell me that :p i just use nano hehe
03:31<binarymutant>bitches: can't be true
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03:31<[agatha]>+1 binarymutant
03:32<bitches>this is stupid
03:32<bitches>what's the point in linux if it is so difficult?
03:32<bitches>at least windows is user friendly
03:32<[agatha]>well let's be honest... i wouldnt choose debian for starters
03:32<bitches>I know my way around windows like a grasshopper in a fish tank
03:33<binarymutant>you could always go applications->accessories->gedit and open /etc/apt/sources.list from there
03:33<binarymutant>like you would in notepad
03:33<[agatha]>bitches, i can tell you my experience i started with linux 7 months ago more or less.. and installed ubuntu, which is (as people says, not linux) but is good to get familiarized with the whole thing a bit anyway... i think they guys will help you:)
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03:35<bitches>Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved
03:35<[agatha]>k i gotta deal with a kde4
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03:36<bitches>it wont let me paste in pastebin
03:36<binarymutant>you just select all or right click copy/paste like windows
03:37<bitches>i know
03:37<bitches>i'm not that stupid
03:37<bitches>Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved
03:37<Oneils>what debian mirror can you advice whith high speed ?
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03:38<binarymutant>Oneils: depends on your location just check out that page for a list
03:38<Oneils>i know about this
03:38<binarymutant>where u @?
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03:39<bitches>i forgot my photobucket un and pw
03:39<Oneils>yesterdey tried one of polond mirrors - speed sucks
03:39<Oneils>actually Belarus :)
03:39<binarymutant> works for me but im in the US
03:39<binarymutant>where's Belarus at?
03:40<Oneils>not far from russia :)
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03:40<Oneils>beetwean polond and russia
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03:41<binarymutant>there's a mirror there
03:41<[agatha]>Oneils, i use
03:41<[agatha]>works fine for me
03:41<[agatha]>(i'm in poland btw)
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03:41<[agatha]>may work fine for you also
03:42<Oneils> works bad :(
03:42<binarymutant> ?
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03:42<[agatha]>hmm moment i will give you the one i have
03:43<bitches>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a-etchnhalf _Etch-and-a-half_ - Official i386 NETINST 20080804-22:00]/ etch main
03:43<bitches>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a-etchnhalf _Etch-and-a-half_ - Official i386 NETINST 20080804-22:00]/ etch main
03:43<bitches>deb etch main contrib non-free
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03:43<binarymutant>lol pastebin it next time
03:43<[agatha]>Oneils, try that
03:43<binarymutant>but just comment that last one out
03:43<[agatha]>works ok for me
03:44<binarymutant>or add etch main to it like the others
03:44<[agatha]>hmmm would delete it binarymutant i think he added it when i shown him how my line looked at
03:44<binarymutant>oo pics
03:44<Oneils>thx, i'll try
03:44<binarymutant>yeah they all have to look the same
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03:46<Oneils>1.8Gb of updates ,, crazy :)
03:46<binarymutant>bitches: open in root and either comment it out/delete it/ or add etch main to it
03:46<[agatha]>hehe Oneils
03:46<[agatha]>hope you have a good connection :p
03:46<Oneils>last updates made for 3 or 4 month ago :)
03:46<binarymutant>thats a lot of bandwidth
03:47<bitches>binarymutant, if i knew half of what you just said, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
03:47<[agatha]>bitches, add a # just before
03:47<[agatha]>that way you will uncomment the line
03:47<[agatha]>you can also just delete it
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03:47<[agatha]>and save changes :)
03:47<Torsten_W>then apt doen't can read this
03:47<Torsten_W>there is a missing deb in front!
03:48<[agatha]>Torsten_W, that's the problem.. he has added something in apt sources which shouldnt be
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03:48<binarymutant>bitches: sudo gedit in a terminal, then open the same file(/etc/apt/sources.list and delete the last line out like you would in notepad
03:48<[agatha]>basically we'd need to get rid of it
03:48<[agatha]>ok bitches step by step, open a root terminal
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03:48<binarymutant>bitches: err last 2
03:48<[agatha]>then, pico /etc/apt/sources.list
03:48<[agatha]>then, delete the line which says
03:48<[agatha]>ctrl+x and close saving changes
03:49<[agatha]>i think that's all... you dont really need a polish repository
03:49<bitches>Could not save the file /etc/apt/sources.list.
03:49<[agatha]>are you in a root terminal/
03:49<bitches>now i am
03:49<[agatha]><[agatha]> ok bitches step by step, open a root terminal <-- that's step one :)
03:50<[agatha]>ok now pico /etc/apt/sources.list
03:50<[agatha]>and it will open your sources.list
03:50<[agatha]>now you need to find this line and delete it
03:50<binarymutant>Torsten_W: I was missing a deb in front :(
03:50<[agatha]>and when it's deleted, press control and X at the same time, it will ask you if you want to save changes so you say yes, and press enter
03:51<kon>or just sudo sed -i '/^[^d]/s/^/#/' /etc/apt/sources.list
03:51<[agatha]>jeeez kon what does that make?
03:51<binarymutant>lol #
03:52<kon>puts a # at the beginning of all lines not starting with d
03:52<[agatha]>i will not remember that :p think ill have to stick to the 'traditional' way
03:53<kon>time to get to know sed better then i guess :D
03:53<binarymutant>was sed in the older unix?
03:53<binarymutant>like grep
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03:53<[agatha]>well kon is not that i dont want to, but i believe in the step-by-step theory... and my steps far still far from sed i think
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03:54<[agatha]>bitches, how are you doing there?
03:54<binarymutant>wait was grep in unix?
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03:55<binarymutant>it was from '73 wow
03:55<[agatha]>i wasnt born in '73 :p
03:56<kon>yeah, old stuff :)
03:56<kon>sed was from 77 i think
03:56<binarymutant>wiki said 73;P
03:56<kon>stream adaption of ed
03:57<bitches>that fixed it
03:57<bitches>but still didn't fix my flash problem
03:57<[agatha]>well bitches step by step
03:57<[agatha]>now try cd Desktop
03:58<bitches>i have the tar.gz
03:58<kon>yeah damn acid backflashs can be problematic :P
03:58<[agatha]>i dont know how to unpack a tar.gz
03:58<bitches>xtreme@debian:~$ cd desktop
03:58<bitches>bash: cd: desktop: No such file or directory
03:58<[agatha]>if you have the .deb still try dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb
03:58<[agatha]>bitches, Desktop
03:58<[agatha]>is case sensitive so you need to use D
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03:59<kon>[agatha], use the tar command xD
03:59<[agatha]>kon, tha's the one i never remember tar -xvf or something like that
03:59<kon>in the manpage are examples
03:59<[agatha]>but there's a lot of letters... and i never manage to remember them
04:00<bitches>debian:/home/xtreme# dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb
04:00<bitches>dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree_1.4~bpo40+1_i386.deb (--install):
04:00<dpkg>bitches: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
04:00<binarymutant>sudo dpkg btw
04:00<kon>[agatha], most importantly try to remember -x -z -j and -f
04:01<kon>and -c if you want to create archives
04:01<[agatha]>if he's in a root terminal shouldnt need it no binarymutant ?
04:01<kon>no no
04:01<binarymutant>xzf or xjf tar and bzip
04:01<kon>j is bzip2 and z is gzip
04:02<bitches>i have install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz
04:02<bitches>in my downloads
04:02<bitches>but it will NOT install
04:02<binarymutant>bitches: use should use gnash since adobe hates freedom
04:02<[agatha]>im so glad i dont like to watch youtube videos guys
04:02<[agatha]>you cannot imagine :p
04:02<kon>apt-get install swf-player didn't work bitches?
04:03<amphi>[agatha]: it's easy with that youtube script, not that there is much worth seeing IMHO
04:03<[agatha]>well that's my whole point amphi ... rarely i have found something really ok in youtube
04:03<bitches>Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
04:03<[agatha]>apart of the famous ahmet and a few videos more..
04:03<bitches>And that worked kon
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04:04<kon>youtube is awesome for rickrolls
04:04<[agatha]>dunno never really found anything real good
04:04<kon>bitches, restart firefox
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04:04<[agatha]>for me at least
04:04<bitches>i have
04:04<binarymutant>google talks are good
04:04<kon>and you have javascript enabled?
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04:05<[agatha]>by the way guys, any opinion on kde4 in lenny?
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04:06<kon>let me check if it works here
04:06<kon>*installs iceweasel*
04:06<bitches>it is in my about:plugins
04:06<bitches>but it does not let me watch the video
04:06<[agatha]>do you have a sign like a "play" in the video?
04:06<[agatha]>like a triangle?
04:07<bitches>it says Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
04:07<binarymutant>is it the latest flash player?
04:07<bitches>swf-player is already the newest version.
04:08<bitches>says that in terminal
04:08<binarymutant>adobe offers flash on their website
04:08<kon>my foxy fox doesn't even start =)
04:08<bitches>I know...
04:08<bitches>i have the file though
04:08<bitches>and i can't install it
04:08<[agatha]>weird i can watch them with iceweasel...
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04:09<[agatha]>and i did nothing
04:09<[agatha]>bitches, you can try to install Gdeb
04:09<[agatha]>and try with the .deb file
04:09<binarymutant>did you follow the instructions on the adobe website?
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04:10<kon>bitches, try flashplugin-nonfree
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04:10<[agatha]>kon, that's what he was trying but he can't find it
04:10<[agatha]>and i have no idea on which repository would that be
04:11<binarymutant>it's not in debians repo
04:11<binarymutant>or nonfree
04:11<bitches>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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04:11<kon>ah i see
04:12<jm_>it's available - except in lenny
04:12<binarymutant>I dont have it in sid :/
04:12<[agatha]>bitches, we'll get you to watch those videos don't dispair
04:12<jm_>ohh and also not in etch
04:13<bitches>i am going to smoke this whole pack of cigs tonight
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04:13<binarymutant>jm_: its not in main at all since it's not free
04:13<bitches>Three left
04:13<jm_>binarymutant: I didn't say it's in main
04:13<[agatha]>ok bitches ... i think we are gonna try this... in a root terminal aptitude install Gdeb
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04:14<binarymutant>jm_: or contrib
04:14<[agatha]>and when you have it, double click in the .deb file you downloaded before
04:14<bitches>sudo first?
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04:14<[agatha]>i will show you how would it look
04:14<[agatha]>no bitches , you don't need sudo in a root terminal
04:14<jm_>binarymutant: sure it is, but not for amd64 which is what you must be using
04:14<binarymutant>jm_: i386
04:14<binarymutant>jm_: and sid
04:15<bitches>Couldn't find package "Gdeb". However, the following
04:15<bitches>packages contain "Gdeb" in their name:
04:15<bitches> gdebi gdeb
04:15<[agatha]>in lowercase
04:15<binarymutant>hang on..
04:15<[agatha]>aptitude install gdeb
04:15<jm_>why does he need gdeb?
04:16<[agatha]>he's got a .deb file with the flashplugin non free downloaded from the debian site
04:16<[agatha]>he cannot open it, since he doesnt have gdeb but
04:16<bitches>now what
04:16<jm_>open a terminal, go to a dir with it, run : dpkg -i flash*deb
04:16<kon>dpkg -i?
04:16<[agatha]>it should work now, happened to me yesterday
04:16<dpkg>kon: i haven't a clue
04:16<[agatha]>no kolter
04:16<[agatha]>kon, that displayed an error before
04:17<[agatha]>now bitches go to the .deb file right click on it, and open with gdeb
04:17<[agatha]>and you should be seeing something similar to this...
04:17<kon>and what makes you think there won't be an error with gdeb?
04:17<binarymutant>jm_: it's not there my default sid sources.list :/
04:17<[agatha]>nothing really kon , its just how i fixed it yesterday
04:17<binarymutant>I just have main and contrib
04:17<kon>that's real science xD
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04:18<[agatha]>i mean it may work, or it may not, worked for me yesterday, tho
04:18<jm_>binarymutant: you have download link on the URL I mentioned
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04:18<bitches>haha son of a grasshopper
04:18<bitches>It works
04:18<jm_>perhaps he should paste an error on some paste site
04:18<[agatha]>well kon i would not say i know even the basics here... but if it worked for me yesterday there's a possibility it will work for him today
04:18<bitches>^insert nerd goggles !!1
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04:19<[agatha]>i'm getting lost here
04:19<bitches>I can watch videos now
04:19<binarymutant>oo screenshots :)
04:19<[agatha]>no worries bitches
04:19<bitches>do i need any drivers like display?
04:19<binarymutant>skype is not free either :(
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04:19<[agatha]>skype works just fine as well binarymutant i installed the etch .deb on lenny and it works hehe
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04:20<[agatha]>that's also real science :p
04:20<dpkg>[gpl] about freedom whereas the BSD license allows people to take that away, or at
04:20<[agatha]>hmm drivers for what bitches ?
04:20<bitches>in windows you need display drivers sound drivers etc
04:21<bitches>my monitor is an lcd and is suppose to run 60 Hz but is running 76Hz
04:21<[agatha]>uffff i have no idea of that sorry
04:21<[agatha]>i didnt know on windows either
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04:21<bitches>i am fine on windows.. Like i said earlier.. i know windows like a grsshopper in a fish tank
04:22<jm_>bitches: how do you know it's running at 75?
04:22<Gekz>is that name entirely appropriate? >_>
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04:22<bitches>display properties jm_
04:22<jm_>bitches: in Debian?
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04:24<jm_>run xvidtune, click OK, read Vertical Sync value
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04:24<bitches>vsync range 0: 56.00 - 76.00
04:24<bitches>Video are not settable on this chip
04:24<binarymutant>I'm pretty sure there are no drivers for an lcd
04:24<jm_>no in the window that opened
04:25<jm_>it says Vertical Sync (Hz): ...
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04:26<bitches>i was in terminal
04:27<bitches>and typed xvidtune
04:27<jm_>you need to do it in X in a terminal
04:27<jm_>to see the window it opens
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04:27<bitches>says they are not tunable
04:28<jm_>just read the damn value in lower right corner
04:28<jm_>don't touch anything
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04:28<jm_>then press quit
04:28<bitches>i am in an x term
04:28<bitches>and it doesn't bring anything up
04:29<bitches>except a box that says it's not tunable
04:29<jm_>it doesn't bring up a WARNING WARNING WARNING window with ok/cancel buttons?
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04:31<binarymutant>it will conserve energy being on 60Hz :)
04:31<bitches>But also, it can damage my monitor
04:31<jm_>then try running xrandr
04:31<bitches>being on 75hz
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04:31<jm_>naah modern monitors have protection against it
04:32<bitches>SZ: Pixels Physical Refresh
04:32<bitches>*0 1024 x 768 ( 271mm x 203mm ) *76
04:32<binarymutant>:( yeah you should change that, I think I changed it in xorg.conf
04:33<jm_>you can read xorg logfile to see if it printed monitor info there, another option is to use "get-edid|parse-edid" in a terminal if it works
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04:34<bitches>doesn't work
04:34<bitches>just get-edid|parse-edid?
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04:34<jm_>do you even have it installed?
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04:34<bitches>DO i have what installed?
04:34<jm_>get-edid obviously
04:34<bitches>Probably not
04:34<jm_>install read-edid package
04:35<bitches>where is it
04:35<jm_>you don't need to worry about where is it
04:35<bitches>just install read-edid?
04:36<bitches>install: missing destination file operand after `read-edid'
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04:37<jm_>no, you need to install it with apt
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04:39<petemc>yang: rsync -e 'ssh -p 2222' , or you can set it permanently for a host in ~/.ssh/config
04:40<petemc>wrong channel
04:40<binarymutant>bitches: you can change the display settings by going system->preferences->screen resolution in gnome
04:40<bitches>binarymutant, there is only an option for 76 Hz
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04:42<binarymutant>whats your xorg.conf say bitches? pastebin it
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04:43<devout>What does it mean if there are no files in /var/lib/apt/lists or in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial and an apt-cache show prints E: No packages found
04:43<jm_>devout: that someone deleted them would be a good guess
04:43<binarymutant>bitches: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor and copy/paste it to pastebin
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04:45<devout>Yip, I removed them, Was instructed to. What does it mean though. Does it matter that there are no files in there? Is the output of apt-cache show a direct reflection of that fact?
04:46<devout>So obviously apt-get update doesn't re-instate them
04:46<maxb_>it should do
04:47<jm_>it should indeed
04:47<maxb_>devout: run apt-get update, tell us about errors
04:47<devout>Mm, I thought it would too
04:47<devout>no errors
04:47<bitches>I need to find debian for dummies.. <slang>fo realz yo</slang>
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04:48<jm_>bitches: also paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:49<themill>devout: can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-get update --print-uris"
04:50<jm_>bitches: Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 76 Hz
04:51<sander_m>Hi. Can someone help me with dual monitors please? I have written a small script for /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45custom-xrandr (see: but it doesn't work. When I execute that script manually after logging in, it works. But this script does not seem to work automatically when I log in.
04:51<matth_>Hi, I'm looking for any ressources for building exif part of php5 as a module
04:52<matth_>i.e be able to debug that code whitout rebuilding the whole stuff every time
04:52<bitches>binarymutant, any suggestions?
04:52<sander_m>My .xsession-errors indicates that the xrandr command runs fine, but I don't get dual monitors when logging in. I have a feeling that something running after that Xsession script is disabling dual monitor support again. Any ideas?
04:52<jm_>matth_: I recommend you switch grep to grep '[c]onnected' to start with
04:53<matth_>jm_: huh ?
04:53<jm_>matth_: sorry wrong nick
04:54<jm_>sander_m: I recommend you switch grep to grep '[c]onnected' to start with
04:55<binarymutant>bitches: gimmie a sec
04:56<sander_m>jm_: Done. But I don't think that's it. Take a look at the echo statements in my script and have a look at my .xsession-errors here:
04:56<tdawgedogg>whats the package i need for source files to build a nvidia kernal
04:56<sander_m>jm_: The output suggests that the xrandr command ran succesfully
04:56<dpkg>it has been said that fluxbox is a forked off <blackbox> and is found at, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information.
04:56<jm_>!tell tdawgedogg -about nvidia
04:57<jm_>sander_m: are you using gnome or somesuch?
04:57<sander_m>jm_: Yes, gnome
04:57<jm_>sander_m: did you try it without gnome?
04:58<themill>sander_m: gnome will remember your randr settings and try to reapply them each time you log in. (if you save the session)
04:58<jm_>yeah gnome has extra stuff for that I think
04:58<sander_m>jm_: How do I do that without installing all of KDE or some other DE?
04:58<jm_>maybe ti would work if you use gnome's startup functionality to run your script
04:58<jm_>sander_m: how do you start X?
04:58<bitches>I hope this hdd never goes bad... it would suck to have to do ALL this stuff again.
04:58<devout>themill: Any clues?
04:59<sander_m>jm_: Also, I never "save session" in Gnome, and the last time I quit my computer, I ran that xrandr command manually and had the dual monitors enabled
04:59<sander_m>jm_: X starts automatically here. What's debian's default? xdm or something?
04:59<jm_>sander_m: check /etc/X11/x-session-manager
05:00<jm_>sander_m: uhm no, check /etc/X11/default-display-manager
05:00<themill>devout: and /var/lib/apt/lists/ is still empty after that? (you are sure you're checking on the right box, that you're not in a chroot and that your hard drive isn't full or something, aren't you!)
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05:02<sander_m>/etc/X11/x-session-manager does not exist. default-display-manager does. What do I put in there to stop gdm from starting? Or should I stop X from running alltogether, log into a terminal and then run "startx"?
05:02<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
05:02<jm_>no don't put anything in, tell me what's in the file
05:03<sander_m>jm_: "/usr/bin/gdm"
05:03<enouf>update-alternatives --list x-session-manager ?
05:03<jm_>sander_m: ok, if you select default in its menus, it should honour ~/.xsession IIRC
05:04<binarymutant>bitches: what was the refresh rate again you wanted?
05:04<jm_>sander_m: alternatively, it would start things in this order: x-session-manager, x-window-manager, x-terminal-emulator, whichever comes first
05:05<sander_m>enouf: That command you posted gives me "/usr/bin/gnome-session"
05:06<devout>themill: /var/lib/apt/lists is now populated. Did the "apt-get update --print-uris" do that? As I have run "apt-get update" many times to no avail.
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05:06<sander_m>jm_: When I go to System->Administration->Login Window, the "Default session" is set to "Run Xclient scripts". Is that what you meant?
05:07<themill>devout: no, print-uris only does that. (see man apt-get). Sounds solved though now. Odd.
05:07<jm_>sander_m: you see System->Administration menu in gdm? :)
05:07<sander_m>Ah, no. On my desktop.
05:07<jm_>sander_m: default should be in gdm somewhere
05:07<sander_m>I'll check the login window. BRB.
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05:08<devout>themill: apt-cache show still prints "E: No packages found"
05:09<themill>devout: that's right. you didn't specify a package. apt-cache show packagename (e.g. apt-cache show binutils
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05:09<jm_>please don't tell me that was it
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05:10<bitches>binarymutant: 60Hz
05:10<devout>themill: thanks for the help:-)
05:10<sander_m>jm_: GDM doesn't say "default". It says "Last session", "Run Xclient scripts", "Gnome", "Failsafe terminal", etcetera. I picked "Run Xclient scripts". No dice, I have a single monitor available. But my .xsession-errors indicates again that the xrandr command in my Xsession.d script ran succesfully
05:11<jm_>sander_m: Run Xclient scripts probably relies on you have ~/.xsession or .Xclients file to start things
05:11<enouf>your punctuation is spectacular ;-)
05:12<bitches>do i replace that?
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05:12<jm_>bitches: your monitor is capable of running at 76hz, why do you want it lower?
05:12<binarymutant>bitches: you can but it should highlight what's different, if not go to diff and see on pastebin
05:13<sander_m>jm_: But that would mean that I have to set up this script for every user, right?
05:13<bitches>jm_: it is suppose to be at 60Hz
05:13<jm_>bitches: bollocks
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05:13<binarymutant>bitches: and make sure your doing this as sudo and the text editor doesn't say anything like read-only
05:13<jm_>sander_m: hmm would need to check gdm script
05:14<bitches>binarymutant: i mean do i need to replace my old text with that text?
05:14<binarymutant>bitches: yeah
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05:15<bitches>Could not save the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
05:16<bitches>wasn't root
05:16<enouf>seems /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc sources /etc/X11/Xsession
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05:17<bitches>how do i get permissions
05:17<bitches>to edit it
05:17<binarymutant>well in a terminal you could do sudo gedit
05:17<enouf>and that X11/Xsession should have things like;
05:18<enouf>sander_m: does gdmconfig help at all? (if that's the scriptname)
05:18<jm_>sander_m: yeah I don't see a simple way of doing this with gdm that way, does gnome have some starutp thing like windows?
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05:19<jm_>sander_m: but I would first test that it's really gnome that is the problem
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05:20<sander_m>jm_: I'm trying to figure that out :-) Can I start X without starting gdm/gnome? Even if all I get is a blank screen and a mouse cursor it will help (since I can see if the mouse pointer moves to th other black screen or not)
05:20<enouf>what would happen if you replaced USERXSESSION=<as above> with USERXSESSION=/etc/X11/Xsession.d/45custom-xrandr ? is that a nasty hack or what?
05:20<bitches>binarymutant: do i need to restart?
05:20<jm_>sander_m: go to tty2 and run startx -- :2
05:20<bitches>binarymutant: to take effect
05:20<jm_>sander_m: but again, that will start x-session-manager, ... if you don't have ~/.xsession file
05:21<binarymutant>bitches: yeah when you save just restart by ctrl+alt+backspace and just see if you can change the rest from system->preferences->screen resulition
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05:22<sander_m>jm_: Going to vt2 doesn't work. X-server already running.
05:22<jm_>sander_m: uhm ctrl-alt-f2
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05:22<bitches>binarymutant: nope.
05:22<sander_m>enouf: Replacing USERXSESSION doesn't work either. The 45custom-xrandr runs, but something after that changes things back...
05:22<bitches>binarymutant: didn't work
05:23<sander_m>I want to find and remove whatever is setting it back
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05:23<bitches>binarymutant: i will just keep it like it is -- i don't think it is causing any harm
05:23<binarymutant>bitches: you can't change it from system->preferences->screen resolution ?
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05:23<sander_m>jm_: I did that. But I just get told that X is already running on vt7
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05:23<binarymutant>bitches: I thought that would work srry :(
05:23<bitches>binarymutant: it is fine
05:24<bitches>binarymutant: as long as my monitor can support it, i'm good
05:24<jm_>sander_m: wtf, is this lenny?
05:24<sander_m>jm_: Yes.
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05:25<jm_>let me try it, you know what happened if I get disconnected
05:25<enouf>aren't Xservers start at :0 ? so would it not be :1 instead of :2 jm_ ? Or, does he already have :0.0 and :0.1. jm_ I think you need a monitor for each Xserver
05:25<jm_>sander_m: WFM, did you type "startx -- :2" ?
05:26<jm_>sander_m: or try :500
05:26<sander_m>jm_: I forgot the :2
05:26<sander_m>I tried again and X starts
05:26<jm_>enouf: hmm I doubt he has :2 server
05:26<sander_m>But I only get one screen
05:26<enouf>i see :-)
05:26<jm_>sander_m: did it start gnome?
05:26<sander_m>jm_: Yes
05:27<jm_>sander_m: ok now try startx xterm -- :2
05:27<jm_>I think that should only start xterm
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05:28<sander_m>Most interestingly, I did actually see X running on both screens (I saw the checkered pattern and the X cursor), Bu then the Gnome desktop started and the second screen goes black
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05:28<jm_>sander_m: that definitely looks like GNOME, maybe ask in #gnome
05:28<jm_>sander_m: ahh with xterm it wouldn't start your sesssion script I think, probably best to have xterm started from ~/.xsession instead
05:29<sander_m>jm_: When I try with xterm, I get an error and X quits
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05:31<sander_m>jm_: "xterm, bad command or filename"
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05:31<jm_>sander_m: yeah do it the other way (see above)
05:32<jm_>sander_m: maybe you don't have xterm installed ;)
05:32<sander_m>jm_: It works.
05:33<sander_m>I get dual screen X and xterm opened.
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05:33<sander_m>Mouse moves correctly from one screen to the next
05:33<jm_>sander_m: start investigation in the gnome direction
05:33<sander_m>So it's probably gnome
05:33<sander_m>I'll hop over to gimpnet :-)
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05:34<enouf>sander_m: is there a good gnome channel there? we keep sending people to :-P
05:36<sander_m>That's the same network :-)
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05:41<enouf>oh, heh
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06:03<sander_m>Well, they're not really talkative in #gnome or #debian-gnome. But, I am now quite sure that Gnome is to blame. When I did "startx -- :2" in vt2 with my .xsession in place, I got a dual head X with an xterm started. When I executed "gnome-session" from that xterm (which is normally started by gdm) then Gnome starts and disables my second monitor.
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06:08<bitches>!menu font color
06:08<bitches>how do i change the menu font color?
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06:15<sander_m>jm_ and enouf: Succes! I needed to disable the gconf key /apps/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/xrandr/active and now Gnome leaves my XrandR settings alone
06:16<bitches>binarymutant: i can't find it
06:16<binarymutant>bitches: hang on, i'm not using gnome on my laptop let me check
06:16<enouf>sander_m: whoa .. hehe .. where is that? in your $HOME? or /usr/share/ ?
06:17<bitches>i have a background set on my menu, but it is dark and the black text wont show up
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06:19<binarymutant>bitches: system->preference->appearance->customize->colors
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06:19<sander_m>enouf: Log into Gnome, open a terminal and execute "gconf-editor"
06:20<sander_m>enouf: Then browse to the /apps/.../xrandr path I gave above and uncheck "avtive"
06:20<enouf>sander_m: i don't use gnome :-/
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06:20<bitches>binarymutant: still can't find it. i must not be doing something right
06:20<enouf>sander_m: i'm pretty sure it's /usr/share/
06:20<sander_m>enouf: Well, then you won't ever run into this problem :-)
06:21<binarymutant>bitches: can't find what?
06:21<bitches> system->preference->appearance->customize->colors
06:21<bitches>first off
06:21<bitches>where is system
06:21<Alba>bitches, do you have a single icon for your menu or it says something like applications places blabal in the top menubar/
06:21<enouf>sander_m: but i want the ever powerful "knowledge" ;-)
06:21<Alba>in the panel i mean
06:21<sander_m>enough: It's not in /usr/share. It's not a real path. It's a gconf entry. Gconf is like the Gnome equivalent of the WIndows registry, only less buggy (but still as confusing)
06:22<bitches>single icon
06:22<binarymutant>bitches: kde?
06:22<Alba>is that icon a foot or a K?
06:22<binarymutant>bitches: it's on the top panel
06:22<bitches>what top panel?
06:23<enouf>sander_m: try to make a meaningful factoid about all you've found for us ;-)
06:23<Alba>the top bar bitches
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06:23<Alba>ok now click iin the foot, and it will say something like applications internet blablablaabla places and system
06:23<binarymutant>bitches: did you move the panel or something?
06:23<enouf>sander_m: i just wouldn't know what to call it :-P
06:23<Alba>just above the log out and change user stuff
06:23<Alba>can you see it?
06:23<bitches>Accessories>Debian>games>Graphics>Internet>office?other etc
06:23<Alba>what's below?
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06:24<Alba>that is exactly the menu we need bitches ... now, can you see the log out options?
06:24<binarymutant>bitches: ?
06:24<Alba>in the very bottom?
06:24<bitches>places and desktop Alba
06:24<sander_m>enouf: I'll write something on my blog about it. The internet is littered with the suggestion to put your xrandr command script under /etc/X11/Xsession.d, so there's probably plenty of Gnome folk running into this issue
06:24<Alba>could you make a screenshot and upload it to imageshack/
06:24<Alba>because i think you have another set up :)
06:25<enouf>sander_m: that's cool, then pass me the URL, and i'll make a factoid pointing to it ;-)
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06:25<Alba>probably is going to be the fastest way bitches
06:25<element>Anyone know where I can find a flash player for debian 4 ppc? The included libs don't work for
06:25<sander_m>enouf: Will do!
06:26<binarymutant>element: youtube-dl and mplayer?
06:26<bitches>can't take a screen shot when the menu thing is open
06:26<Alba>bitches, it may be closed
06:26<binarymutant>bitches: you dont have to
06:26<Alba>i just need to see if you have the single icon or the 3 submenus
06:26<bitches>single icon
06:26<bitches>i just said
06:27<Alba>and you cannot see the "system" submenu in there?
06:27<Alba>should be places
06:27<Alba>log out
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06:27<Alba>something similar to that cant recall exactly
06:27<bitches>lock screen
06:27<binarymutant>did you take the screenshot?
06:27<bitches>log out
06:28<bitches>binarymutant: it won't let me take a screen shot with that menu open
06:28<Alba>hmm bitches take that screenshot please, no matter if the menu is not opened
06:28<binarymutant>bitches: it doesn't have to be open
06:28<binarymutant>bitches: just take a screenshot of your dekstop you know
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06:28<Alba>and you can take a screenshot with the menu opened if you go to accesories - take screenshot - and you set a 15 seconds delay, click okay, and open the menu and wait but by now, we just need to see the panel without the menu opened
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06:31<cetko>ok, I need to pick a really and i mean REALLY small and simple to understand linux kernel module to make a graph with dot
06:31<cetko>any suggestions
06:31<Alba>ok just a sec bitches
06:32<binarymutant>bitches: right click on the panel -> add to panel
06:32<binarymutant>and add Main Menu to it
06:32<bitches>already on there
06:32<Alba>it should be in the single menu binarymutant i have it like bitches does
06:32<bitches>so now it's on there twice
06:32<Alba>ok just a sec i will change to gnome and show you a screenshot bitches
06:32<binarymutant>that's a custom panel
06:32<cetko>oh, and it has to be functional, meaning in the 2.6.27 kernel release
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06:33<bitches>well it's still the same things in it
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06:34<sander_m>Ouch. Nasty. There is a GUI user interface in the gnome control center to configure the xrandr plugin, but it's not in Debian....
06:34<binarymutant>you could add menu bar to the panel
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06:35<Alba>jeez my network is really terrible
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06:36<enouf>sander_m: are you on etch? or lenny?
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06:36<sander_m>enouf: Lenny
06:36<enouf>$ apt-cache search gnome | grep xrandr
06:36<enouf>gnome-randr-applet - Simple gnome-panel front end to the xrandr extension
06:36<Alba>it will eventually upload
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06:36<enouf>sander_m: is that it? ^^^^^^^
06:37<Alba>bitches, check this out... should look like this
06:38<sander_m>enouf: That applet doesn't do dual-monitor :-)
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06:38<enouf>sander_m: what good is it then?
06:38<binarymutant>Alba: did you use import for that?
06:38<bitches>right there below about me, mine doesn't have that
06:38<enouf>sander_m: and - is that what you configured through gconf-editor?
06:39<Alba>binarymutant, for what? i just took a screenshot from mi gnome desktop
06:39<Alba>with a bit of delay... but that was the only thing i did
06:39<sander_m>enouf: Yes, it looks like it
06:39<bitches>Alba: not the same bro
06:40<Alba>sis even
06:40<Alba>but wait a sec
06:40<enouf>sander_m: so, 1stly that needs to be installed - then .. what's with this gnome-control-center thingy?
06:40<Alba>make a right click on an empty space of your panel (menubar) and add Menubar "a custom menubar"
06:40<Alba>we will get rid of it later on if needed
06:40<bitches>Sorry.. sis
06:40<Alba>np :)
06:41<Alba>once you have the custom menubar installed, then just go to system i will show you again, sec
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06:42<bitches>it is not in there
06:42<bitches>i'm telling you
06:42<Alba>please... add the custom menubar in the panel :)
06:42<sander_m>enouf: gnome-control-center is a front-end to all of gnome's configuration utilities. One of the utilities is the "display settings" tool. That tool should allow you to configure xrandr and dual monitor and what-not. These settings are saven in the gconf registry. But right now it only allows you to set the resolution and rotation for a single monitor. Same for the applet. IIRC gnome 2.24 has a UI for dual monitor config, but Debian is
06:42<sander_m> still halfway between gnome 2.20 and 2.22
06:43<bitches>I did
06:43<bitches>And it's not in there
06:43<Alba>as i told you, right click on an empty space, add to panel, find menubar (below should say a custom menubar) then you will have applications places system in the bottom bar
06:43<bitches>i did
06:43<Alba>in add to panel you dont have this? a sec
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06:43<bitches>it is there
06:43<bitches>but not the appearance
06:43<Alba>no no
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06:43<Alba>lets go step by step
06:43<Alba>are you able to see "system" now?
06:44<sander_m>enouf: See for what Gnome 2.24 has but Debian still lacks
06:44<bitches>no it says preferences
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06:44<Alba>so click on preferences and go to appearance
06:44<sander_m>I'm going to lunch now. See you later!
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06:44<bitches>accessibility > About me >bluetooth settings
06:45<Alba>please bitches remember we are not seeing the same you do..
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06:45<monitor>Alguem Tecla em Portugues?
06:45<Alba>momentito bitches .... just a sec
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06:46<binarymutant>dpkg !portugues | monitor
06:46<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, binarymutant
06:46<binarymutant>dpkg !portugues
06:46<dpkg>i don't know, binarymutant
06:46<monitor>estou precisando de ajuda
06:46<bitches>i even tried to add it by going to edit menus, and it's not there either
06:47<binarymutant>dpkg !portuguese
06:47<dpkg>binarymutant: no idea
06:47<Alba>sec bitches i will show you something
06:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
06:47<Alba> please, see in the bottom right sde
06:48<Alba>should look like that once you have added what i told you
06:48<Alba>well a bit less messed up
06:48<Deiz>Vnstat's spamming up my logs mightily.
06:48<Deiz>Is it possible to disable logging for a specific cron job?
06:49<enouf>sander_lunch: ahh ..ok, so it's a newer feature - recently implemented in newer gnomes
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06:49<monitor>Alguem me ajude por favor??????
06:49<enouf>judd: versions gnome
06:49<judd>enouf: gnome: 1: (etch) 1:2.22.2~5 (lenny) 1:2.22.2~5 (sid)
06:49<bitches>look Alba, it is like this in the list
06:49<bitches>accessibility > About me >bluetooth settings
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06:50<bitches>There is no Appearance tab
06:50<bitches>i tried edit menu too
06:50<bitches>it's not an ootion at all
06:50<Alba>i think that's metacity... could you check in synaptic wether if you have metacity installed or not?
06:50<Alba>i think that was the name..
06:51<binarymutant>!pt monitor
06:51<Alba>synaptic should be in system - administration - synaptic package manager bitches
06:51<bitches>metacity is installed
06:51<binarymutant>how do you do that with the dpkg bot?
06:51<bitches>I know how to get to synaptic.
06:51<bitches>And metacity IS installed
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06:52<Alba>well just in case bitches i was trying to be helpful... and i know it is frustrating but we will sort out this as we did with the youtube thing this morning... just be patient please
06:52<bitches>Ok, and thanks for your help.
06:52<Alba>try this... go to a terminal and run metacity
06:52<Alba>ah no
06:53<Alba>not that way
06:53<bitches>It gets annoying trying to teach someone something that has almost absolutely no knowledge about linux
06:53<bitches>I understand
06:53<Alba>heheh no bitches dont get me wrong
06:53<binarymutant>bitches: did you ever get appearance?
06:53<Alba>i have absolutely no idea of linux just enough to survive
06:53<bitches>binarymutant: no
06:53<Alba>so believe me, i know how you feel...
06:53<Alba>binarymutant, i thought i tcould be metacity but he says its installed
06:53<Alba>maybe running it from the terminal?
06:53<Alba>no appearance whatsoever in the system menu
06:54<binarymutant>bitches: right click on the panel -> add to panel -> add menu bar
06:55<binarymutant>system -> preference -> appearance
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06:55<bitches>it's not there
06:55<binarymutant>where'd you get the cd?
06:55<bitches>for the last time. and sorry for getting irritated
06:55<bitches>It was a net install
06:55<bitches>And i don't remember
06:55<Alba>bitches, go to a terminal and write "metacity"
06:55<Alba>we will try to run it manually
06:55<Alba>because it should be there
06:56<binarymutant>default net install has setup right :/
06:56<bitches>Window manager warning: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a window manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current window manager.
06:56<Alba>ok close that
06:56<Alba>didnt seem to work -.-
06:56<binarymutant>your menu file is setup wrong if it's not there
06:56<bitches>how do i update it?
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06:57<Alba>i cannot help further than this i am afraid bitches
06:57<bitches>i am on debian etch 4.0
06:57<bitches>i think
06:57<bitches>and i am not on (single user)
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06:57<bitches>should i restart and go to (single user) ?
06:57<bitches>on my dual boot
06:57<Alba>write this cat /etc/debian_version bitches we will find your version (in the terminal)
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06:58<Alba>that shouldnt matter i think
06:58<bitches>it just says 4.0
06:58<Alba>it sounds like etch??
06:58<Alba>mine says lenny/sid
06:59<bitches>mine just says 4.0
06:59<bitches>that's all
06:59<Alba>have you tried on "edit menus"?
07:00<bitches>I have
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07:00<Sfc-2008>I need help. can someone help me?
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07:00<Alba>second maybe we're missing something from there
07:00<bitches>i put it all in therre
07:01<Alba>hmmm you dont really need all... just a second let me find exactly what's missing and what should be
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07:01<Alba>if i recall correctly, you do not have the system menu?
07:01<Alba>no, the preferences
07:01<Alba>on system right?
07:02<bitches>i will send a screen shot
07:02<bitches>hold on
07:02<Alba>ok will be better
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07:03<Sfc-2008>I need help. can someone help me?
07:03<Sfc-2008>I need help. can someone help me?
07:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:03<Sfc-2008>I need help. can someone help me?
07:03<bitches>See what i'm saying?
07:03<Alba>with that information i dont think i will be able Sfc-2008 :) normally best is just to ask what you need if someone knows they'll answer
07:03<bitches>It's not in there
07:03<Alba>let me see bitches just a sec
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07:04<Alba>hmm something is messed up and i am not able to help you anymore... bitches i have no idea how to fix it
07:05<bitches>ok thanks for your help now and earlier
07:05<bitches>I guess it is just a bad setup
07:05<dpkg>well, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods
07:05<Alba>no problem... if i can help...
07:05<bitches>Maybe i should try a different distrobution of linux.
07:06<Alba>nah bitches dont give up
07:06<bitches>Ubuntu Stupdio f.e
07:06<Alba>well bitches i've been using ubuntu... but i really think these are minor problems.. you will find them with every distro
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07:06<Alba>i would not give up you will learn your way really
07:07<bitches>I just don't understand..
07:07<Alba>and if not there's a bunch of people here helping daily :))
07:07<bitches>There is something that sasy "fonts" but i have no option to change colors
07:07<binarymutant>you should reinstall bitches, default install doesn't have all these problems :/
07:07<bitches>preferences > font
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07:08<Alba>moment let me see
07:08<bitches>binarymutant: i have had that cd for a couple years.
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07:08<bitches>I need to go get cigs
07:08<bitches>in a little bit
07:08<binarymutant>bitches: older is probably worse in this context
07:09<bitches>Well i tried the same etch net install on a different disk, but i did something wrong
07:09<Alba>bitches, does your "fonts" screen have like application font, document font desktop font
07:09<Alba>and so on?
07:09<binarymutant>bitches: etch is also on the way out being replaced with lenny
07:10<Alba>well i will tell you something maybe it'll make you feel a bit better
07:10<Alba>i cannot change colours there either :)
07:10<bitches>Now it's time to do this crap all over again
07:10<Alba>so probably that's not the place to change colour of the fonts
07:10<bitches>My wife will kill me for spending 4 more days trying to get it set up right
07:11<binarymutant>how long does it take to install windows for you bitches ?
07:11<bitches>I have dual boot binarymutant
07:11<bitches>So windows is already on this pc
07:11<binarymutant>well have you ever installed windows?
07:11<bitches>Many MANY time
07:11<Alba>who hasnt...
07:11<binarymutant>you consider that harder?
07:12<bitches>I consider installing linux harder, yes
07:12<Alba>if not the first ... before or later you need to format hehe
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07:12<bitches>now, i could reinstall it knowing what to do... use whole partition for swap root etc
07:12<bitches>Before i couldn't figure that out.
07:12<Alba>see bitches and this is my experience as i told you i started with linux like 7 months ago so i am far far away of knowing anything but a very little of it...
07:13<Alba>but you get used to it.. i wouldnt go back to windows...yet the begining is PAINFUL and i remember it as if it was yesterday
07:14<bitches>unlike you, i have to do it on my own to learn it.
07:14<bitches>But, i can't figure it out on my own
07:14<bitches>So i never learn
07:14<Alba>well bitches i had to ask
07:14<Alba>and i had to ask a lot
07:14<Alba>and read a lot
07:14<Alba>and a lot of rtfm and man and help and irc in freenode...
07:14<Alba>what i mean is that you will learn it just be patient :)
07:15<bitches>I am going to play a game on pogo with my wife
07:15<Alba>i spent 5h yesterday to set up the wireless :D
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07:15<binarymutant>I think it's already easier than windows :/
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07:15<[gloom]>hi there
07:16<Alba>i dunno i have solaris at work and linux at home so there is not much variety...
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07:16<Alba>but if i could do it anyone can do it that's for sure
07:18<binarymutant>I worked for a MS OEM for awhile and their installer is much harder to grasp
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07:20<lexux>hi :)
07:20<lexux>does anyone now why automatix2 is suspended??
07:20<jm_>isn't automatix ubuntu thing?
07:21<lexux>i've had installed on debian etch and work fine till friday
07:21<lexux>now it don't work
07:21<lexux>and the site is suspended :S:S
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07:22<lexux>and i can't install some of the apps that are non free
07:24<Alba>gotta change to kde i will be right back hehe
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07:24<binarymutant>lexux: whats automatix2?
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07:26<lexux>it's an app to install apps that you can't find on synaptic
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07:26<binarymutant>have you tried lexux ?
07:27<binarymutant>meh its not there
07:28<binarymutant>lexux: are you running sid or lenny?
07:28<noflash>lexux, don't mix distributions
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07:28<binarymutant>lexux: <-- good example
07:29<lexux>good question
07:29<binarymutant>but i don't recommend installing non-free :)
07:29<lexux>i don't now if is sid or lenny
07:29<Deiz>Is it possible to disable logging for a specific cron job?
07:30<binarymutant>lexux: tail /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:31<jm_>Deiz: you mean its start etc.?
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07:31<lexux>it says tail: cannot open `/etc/apt/sources.lis' for reading: No such file or directory
07:31<Deiz>jm_: I'd like vnstat's cron job to not be logged in auth.log
07:31<lexux>it's the t
07:31<Deiz>It runs every five minutes and spams things up.
07:32<lexux>deb etch main
07:32<lexux>deb-src etch main
07:32<lexux>deb etch/updates main contrib
07:32<lexux>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
07:32<lexux>deb etch main non-free contrib
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07:32<jm_>Deiz: don't think so, somehow I recall that was possible with older versions of cron, or possible non-vixie one
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07:33<Deiz>jm_: I can always write a shell script that's executed by cron once daily that will do the vnstat 12 times an hour
07:33<Deiz>But that's much less robust
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07:45<[gloom]>how can I see the cpu temp in console mode? /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ is empty althought the thermal module inserts ok. Athlon 64 3200+ here...
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07:45<noflash>gloom, apt-cache search lm-sensors
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07:48<[gloom]>noflash: lm-sensors is already installed... but i can't see any console utility there... only frontends for kde and gnome
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07:49<noflash>gloom, how about sensord?
07:49<jm_>[gloom]: sensors is the command to do it
07:50<[gloom]>noflash: yeah, but it's aloggind daemon, i was looking for a command to read the info and integrate it in a script...
07:50<[gloom]>jm_: yeah, i just realize it. t
07:50<[gloom]>thank you guys
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08:43<tdawgedogg>my internet connect will work if i have a router connected to it but im going straight from the modem now and i cant get internet i need to do something works in windows fine
08:44<jm_>probably pppoe
08:44<jm_>or something similar
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08:45<tdawgedogg>my onlt 2 options in network settings is dhcp or static ip
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08:45<jm_>pppoe runs on top of that
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08:46<tdawgedogg>well how can i fix my problem
08:46<jm_>start by figuring out the details of your connection
08:47<tdawgedogg>how do i go about that...its just a cable modem pluging straight into my computer
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08:47<jm_>ahh cable modem, then DHCP may be enough, but your MAC address might be wrong, I'd contact the support
08:49<tdawgedogg>mac address... contact support?
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08:57<tdawgedogg>im in there right now
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09:03<EderJordan>Hi all. How to obtain screenshots of Debian installer?
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09:09<jm_>EderJordan: the easiest is to run it in qemu or similar
09:09<jm_>but you can also grab screen dumps on console
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09:09<EderJordan>jm => thanks. :)
09:09<darsie>Hi! I want to reconfigure exim from internet to smarthost. Can I do this with dpkg-reconfigure exim4, or will it mess with other settings?
09:10<jm_>darsie: you should be able to do it yes
09:10<darsie>I'll make a backup, though.
09:11<enouf>darsie: exim4-config ?
09:11<jm_>!drec darsie
09:11<dpkg>darsie: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root
09:11<darsie>ok. I was just looking which actually.
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09:12<enouf>drec .. nice
09:12<jm_>at least it now tells you the actuall command you want to run
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09:14<darsie>hmm, how does !drec work? That looks really smart.
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09:21<Hughes>Virtualbox doesn't install on debian lenny.
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09:24<Hughes>Does anyone know how to install virtualbox on debian lenny?
09:24<petemc>!virtualbox lenny
09:24<dpkg>To stop virtualbox complaining about having the wrong version of the kernel module, you will have to build your own using module-assistant: aptitude install module-assistant virtualbox-ose-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose && modprobe -r vboxdrv && modprobe vboxdrv. Also keep an eye on bug
09:25<Hughes>petemc: How can I find out stuff like this so I won't have to always come in this channel and ask?
09:26<petemc>the bts would be one place to look
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09:26<Hughes>What's the bts?
09:26<petemc>the bug tracking system,
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09:37<Hughes>petemc: I'm still getting the same error.
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09:38<petemc>Hughes: its not something i use, so i know nothing about it
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09:59<tanjix>hi all
10:00<tanjix>anyone has an idea why syslog does not create the /dev/log socket?
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10:00<tanjix>my syslog daemon is not logging :(
10:00<alsobrsp_>debian right?
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10:00<alsobrsp_>sorry, thought I was on a different channel of course debian
10:00<tanjix>yeah, right
10:01<alsobrsp_>one minute
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10:15<tanjix>alsobrsp__: any idea?
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10:17<oz123>how do I find if my NIC supports Wake On LAN ?
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10:20<Hydroxide>and, (not specifically directed at nion), will the etch kernel packages work with lenny?
10:20<Hydroxide>oops, wrong channel, but an answer here too would be fine :)
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10:24<seanysmotpoker>how do I install the desktop environment on a computer that
10:24<seanysmotpoker>'s already setup
10:24<alsobrsp__>udev maybe
10:24<Alba>hmm i take you dont have any desktop environment seanysmotpoker ?////
10:24<alsobrsp__>syslog-ng reads from it, which lead to my other conclusion
10:24<seanysmotpoker>I don't have any desktop environment
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10:25<seanysmotpoker>how do I get the standard desktop environment installed?
10:25<Alba>hmm seanysmotpoker it depends on which one you want but normally should be enough with installing the proper package from the command line
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10:25<seanysmotpoker>apt-get install what?
10:25<seanysmotpoker>which one comes stand with debian?
10:25<Alba>i dunno i run kde but the "default" for debian seems to be gnome
10:25<Alba>anyway it's up to what you like
10:25<seanysmotpoker>how do I install environments in debian?
10:25<Alba>you can also install both
10:25<seanysmotpoker>using apt-get
10:26<Alba>yes or aptitude
10:26<seanysmotpoker>how do I install the entire desktop environment that was a choice on the cd
10:26<Alba>that should do, you just need to know the name of the metapackage (i think is called that way)
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10:27<Alba>no idea seanysmotpoker i just use aptitude when i want to install something...
10:27<seanysmotpoker>I'll just install gnome and kde :)
10:27<seanysmotpoker>why not
10:28<seanysmotpoker>thx guys
10:28<Alba>it's up to you seanysmotpoker i actually have both and use kde... try and decide which one you like better :)))
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10:29*Hydroxide passes on the answer to the question he asked about etch's kernel in lenny ... it'll definitely be compatible, otherwise you couldn't upgrade.
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10:34<blarson>seanysmotpoker: I think you are looking for tasksel
10:36<cetko>ok, i've write my super cool hello world kernel module ( and it works but it doesn't display the message on terminal with this: printk(KERN_ALERT "Hello World!\n");
10:36<cetko>is the priority too low?
10:36<cetko>dmesg displays it
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10:42<seanysmotpoker>I'm glad the new Debian works on this machine, actually.
10:42<seanysmotpoker>only has 512 of ddr though
10:42<seanysmotpoker>sorta slow
10:43<ali3n0>seanysmotpoker, depends on what you're going to do with that box ;)
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10:44<ali3n0>here in office we have boxes with 256 and they are pretty much always idle
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10:45<erKURITA>seanysmotpoker, define "new Debian"
10:45<erKURITA>where do you come from, Woody ?
10:45<cetko>not exactly state of the art is ti :P
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10:52<Alba>do any of you know if kde4 supports transparent windows and how to make that work?
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11:02<And1>Hey guys... 'mpc add' gives me strange errors on tab-completion... What's the problem here? In #mpd I was told, it's a bash problem.
11:02<wouterl>Is there any information about when debian lenny will be released as stable? Except for the release critical bugs ...
11:03<And1>But... it wasn't like that before yesterday... that's kinde strange.
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11:25<Hughes>hello... just installed debian... and I don't have sound. I installed the alsa ultils package, but that doesn't help
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11:26<Torsten_W>Hughes: which kernel? which soundcard?
11:26<Hughes>I have an asus motherboard so it's got sound build in... and I"m using the latest lenny kernel.
11:26<Hughes>I installed lenny on this maschine last week and the sound worked with alsa-utils... but this week it doesn't.
11:27<Hughes>(I've re-installed)
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11:27<Torsten_W>Hughes: what does alsaconf say?
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11:28<Hughes>says it found two cards... hda-intel and legacy
11:28<Torsten_W>legacy is not a card
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11:28<Hughes>ah I see... okay got it now. So you have to run this alconf everytime to set up a sound card?
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11:46<And1>Are there already etch backports for mpd 0.13.*?
11:47<stew>judd: versions mpd
11:47<judd>stew: mpd: 0.12.1-1.1 (etch) 0.13.2-1 (lenny) 0.13.2-2 (sid)
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11:47<stew>And1: not at at least
11:47<FoxM>Hi. I have a amd64 debian lenny and just bought 4Gb of ram memory. However, when I execute 'free -g' the total memory is 3 and with 'free -m', total mem is 3527 .... is that ok? or should I check the memory with a memory test or something?
11:47<And1>Some unofficial backports?
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11:49<stew>And1: /msg dpkg ssb
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11:50<erKURITA>FoxM, do you have a 64-bits system ?
11:51<bitches>someone highlight my nick please and thanks. i need to test something
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11:51<FoxM>erKURITA: I have indeed...
11:51<nutzer>test yourself!
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11:52<bitches>don't highlight it
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11:53<And1>stew: That doesn't work because of some libflac-version conflicts (or somesuch)... :/
11:54<stew>And1: backport libflac as well?
11:54<And1>libjack, sorry. - That doesn't work either, one moment, let me check it again.
11:54<erKURITA>FoxM, does uname -m report x86_64 ?
11:54<FoxM>erKURITA: it is an Intel P4 2.8 GHz with EMT64
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11:54<FoxM>erKURITA: Yes... x86_64
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11:55<And1>stew: Well, it was libflac. -- E: Build-Depends dependency for flac cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package nasm can satisfy version requirements
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11:55<erKURITA>does your motherboard support more than 3 GB of RAM ?
11:55<stew>erKURITA: it must, or else free wouldn't be reporting 3.5
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11:56<stew>And1: backport the build missing build-depends
11:56<screenn>has anybody an experience with configure wi-fi on debian laptop?
11:56<stew>screenn: lots of people, just ask your real question
11:56<And1>stew: I built nasm, but then still libflac-dev won't build.
11:56<stew>And1: why won't libflac-dev build?
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11:56<FoxM>erKURITA: It does indeed! 4017 Mb or something like that, in the BIOS
11:56<screenn>I have acer travel mate 5320
11:57<metalqga>screenn you need to tell us the wifi chipset
11:57<stew>FoxM: can you show us the output of "cat /proc/meminfo" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
11:57<screenn>broadcom 802.11g
11:57<And1>stew: Because of this: "E: Build-Depends dependency for flac cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package nasm can satisfy version requirements" - Then I build nasm, then it stil won't work, same error.
11:57<screenn>it isn't works
11:57<And1>stew: Don't understand that, to be honest. =)
11:57<stew>And1: what does "apt-cache policy nasm" say for Installed: ?
11:58<stew>judd: build-dep flac --release lenny
11:58<judd>stew: flac -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>= 4), doxygen, dpatch, g++ (>= 2:3.2), libid3-3.8.3-dev (>= 3.8.3-4.2), libogg-dev, nasm (>= 0.99.02-1) [i386]
11:59<stew>screenn: which chipset do you have? which driver are you using? have you checked 'dmesg' for errors (perhaps firmware loading errors)
11:59<And1>stew: Hmm, "(none)"... but I don't get any errors on build-dep...
11:59<screenn>I've installed b43-fwcutter and b43 and b43legacy drivers
11:59<stew>And1: you need to install the nasm package you backported
11:59<screenn>broadcom 802.11g wireless adapter
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12:00<metalqga>screenn checked my pm?
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12:00<stew>screenn: unlaod and reload the driver, and check dmesg
12:01<screenn>it's what I have after install debian in lspci output
12:01<screenn>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
12:01<screenn>04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01)
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12:01<FoxM>stew & erKURITA: here is my meminfo:
12:02<screenn>I suspect bcm4310 is my wi-fi device, isn't it?
12:02<screenn>but iwconfig isn't detect that
12:02<And1>stew: Hmm, how? =)
12:02<stew>And1: "dpkg -i /path/to/.deb" to install a pacakge
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12:03<stew>FoxM: what does "uanme -r" say?
12:03<FoxM>stew: 2.6.26-1-amd64
12:04<stew>FoxM: is it possible that some of your memory is being shared with your video card?
12:04<stew>FoxM: (do you have an on-board video card?)
12:04<stew>screenn: what does "uname -r" say?
12:05<screenn>after the b43-fwcutter modules has been installed, I tried to load b43 or b43legacy modules, they were loaded well, but iwconfig still not detect my device,
12:05<screenn>stew now, wait
12:05<stew>screenn: did you check dmesg?
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12:06<dpkg>methinks b43legacy is the new driver for legacy Broadcom wireless chipsets (ie. old 802.11b and early model 802.11g), included since kernel 2.6.24 ( Version 3 firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask about <b43-fwcutter>. USB devices are not supported. Modern BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43> driver. See also <which b43>.
12:06<stew>"USB devices are not supported"
12:06<FoxM>stew: My video card is an ATI RADEON x300 PCIE, external... Maybe I should disable the video option in the BIOS (as of now it is in "auto" mode)
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12:06<stew>screenn: it seems that you should be using b43 not b43legacy
12:07<screenn>I've added b43 in /etc/modules file
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12:08<screenn>stew maybe I need disable modules which is in kernel, bcm4311 I mean
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12:08<FoxM>screenn: I used that same wlan card on my HP tx1420, until the temperature cooked the slot where it inserts, but befor that problem, I had the same issue. The problem is when you load two different drivers for the card. I just used aptitude to remove the b43legacy driver and extracted the firmware with fwcutter. Then used ndiswrapper to install the card and that was it... everything worked like a charm
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12:09<stew>screenn: is bcm4311 loaded?
12:09<And1>stew: Hmm, I get some "debsign: gpg error"s on debuild-ing libflac-dev?
12:09<FoxM>screenn: so do not load two modules for the b43 chipset... legacy or not, they conflict when both are loaded at the same time
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12:10<stew>And1: yeah, you wouldn't be able to sign the package without specifying a key to sign it with, since you aren't the maintainer, but you don't need to sign the package, so you can probably ignore this
12:11<screenn>it wasn't loaded
12:11<screenn>I think
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12:11<screenn>but I can see that 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01)
12:11<And1>stew: Mh, it says "aborting" afterwards...
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12:11<FoxM>stew: I am going to reboot to see if disabling the BIOS option of video the problem is solved... thanks... BRB
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12:12<screenn>I'm thinking about conflict too, what can I do disable one of them?
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12:13<stew>And1: its fine that it aborted signing the package, since you don't need to sign it
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12:13<stew>And1: or you could explicity tell it not to attempt to sign the pacakge when you build if you want
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12:14<vizor>hi guys! Can anybody tell me how much bugs block lenny release now or may be give I an url where I can find this information?
12:14<adb>screenn: rmmod ?
12:14<screenn>FoxM ndiswrapper uses proprietary windows drivers, I don't want use that when I have a chance to use a free b43 drivers when that is possible sure
12:15<screenn>adb I'm trying to find bcm4310 in lsmod output, but haven't success yet
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12:16<stew>screenn: if its not in lsmod, then it isn't loaded, so it doesn't need to be disabled
12:16<eigma>what does that ".ucf-dist" file suffix mean?
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12:16<And1>stew: With which parameter?
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12:17<stew>eigma: ucf is a mechanism for distributing config files without overwriting local changes (man ucf). this likely means that .usf-dist is the file it would have replaced the config file with if the local copy didn't have changes
12:17<stew>And1: what command did you use for building?
12:17<And1>stew: "debuild -d"
12:17<screenn>but I have some b43 modules loaded, include led_class b43,acer_wmi after load b43
12:18<And1>stew: For ignoring the flac-stuff, I'll use the one from etch, this should work.
12:18<screenn>it looks nice
12:18<stew>And1: add -uc -us
12:18<And1>stew: Ok, thanks. :)
12:18<stew>And1: why are you using -d?
12:18<eigma>stew: I see. so I should 'mv file.conf.ucf-dist file.conf' and re-enter the local changes?
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12:18<stew>eigma: i don't know, it depends on what the changes are
12:19<eigma>hmmmm, okay, thanks
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12:22<NinjaMan1>anyone know of a BBC Micro emulator for Linux?
12:22<And1>stew: So mpd uses the etch libflac-dev version.
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12:24<stew>judd: build-dep mpd --release lenny
12:24<judd>stew: mpd -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>= 6), cdbs, libavahi-client-dev, libsamplerate0-dev, libaudiofile-dev, libasound2-dev [!kfreebsd-amd64 !kfreebsd-i386 !hurd-i386], libao-dev (>= 0.8.3-1), libpulse-dev, libjack-dev, libshout3-dev, libogg-dev, libvorbis-dev [!arm !armel !armeb], libvorbisidec-dev [arm armel armeb], libflac-dev (>= 1.1.4-1), libmpcdec-dev, libmad0-dev, libfaad-dev, libmikmod2-dev, (1 more message)
12:24<stew>judd: versions libflac-dev
12:24<judd>stew: libflac-dev: 1.1.2-8 (etch) 1.1.2-8 (etch-security) 1.2.1-1.2 (lenny) 1.2.1-1.2 (sid)
12:25<stew>And1: no, it build-depends on libflac-dev (>= 1.1.4-1) bug etch only has 1.1.2-8, so you'll need to use libflac-dev which was backported from lenny
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12:25<screenn>it's more interesting [ 3359.634557] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
12:25<screenn>looks nice
12:25<And1>stew: How would I do that?
12:25<stew>And1: how do you backport libflac-dev?
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12:26<And1>stew: Like mpd... lemme try it again.
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12:27<teriion>hi...any able help to nebie or I able go far (
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12:27<djw>is it possible with the recent linux-2.6.24 security update would break the tftp installer
12:28<screenn>but it isn't works steel, maybe ndiswrapper is only one possible solution for me?
12:28<FoxM>stew: thanks, but BIOS reports 4096 MB of total ram, while video card is now configured to external PCIE. Still, Linux reports 3.44 GB of Total ram
12:28<And1>stew: I would also need to build "nasm (>= 0.99.02-1) doxygen libid3-3.8.3-dev (>= 3.8.3-4.2)", should I do that?
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12:29<teriion>any able say what I able to do with kcontrol/peripherals/mouse/ if it freeze %/
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12:30<stew>And1: i thougt you already built nasm?
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12:30<stew>And1: libid3-3.8.3-dev is already in etch
12:31<stew>judd: versions libid3-3.8.3-dev
12:31<judd>stew: libid3-3.8.3-dev: 3.8.3-6etch1 (etch) 3.8.3-6etch1 (etch-security) 3.8.3-7.2 (lenny) 3.8.3-7.2 (sid)
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12:32<teriion>so no1(
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12:39<And1>stew: What do I have to do after installing mpd? mpd --create-db or is this optional?
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12:40<stew>And1: i don't know, check /usr/share/doc/mpd
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12:40<RaZa>hi guys, problem compiling the windows cups postscript drivers on my debian server. Apparently cups-config wasn't installed, but it the repo either, is there any repo i need to add to get the cups-config proggie?
12:42<johns>And1: mpc update, iirc
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12:42<And1>johns: Ok, thanks. :)
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12:44<RaZa>so edit the makefile pointing to /usr/bin/cups-config?
12:44<RaZa>instead of just to cups-config
12:45<adb>i dunno
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12:46<RaZa>ok, ill edit the makefile or make a link in the $PATH :p
12:46<RaZa>both shud work
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12:47<adb> apt-cache search cups, maybe some packages are missing on server
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12:50<RaZa>i stand corrected, it would seem i hadn't got libcupsys2-dev installed which contains cups-config...
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12:50<RaZa>and changed the makefile :p
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12:52<bernardo>Hello, i have a question. Is the kernel source code the same for all architectures or is there a specific source code for each architecture? For example, if i want to compile an amd64 version of the kernel do I have to get the "amd64 kernel" or is it all the same and all you have to do is to set a parameter or something when you are compiling
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12:52<law-student1>hi, folks. I've installed debian-eeepc with lxde. i need a timer as i do a practice exam. what application do you recommend that can do countdown (with some beep preferably)?
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12:53<fxiny>old dear "leave" can't beep :P
12:54<law-student1>is "leave" what i'm looking for?
12:54<fxiny>what desktop are you in ?
12:55<law-student1>on debian-eeepc
12:56<stew>bernardo: no, its the same source for all arches
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12:56<bernardo>stew: how do I specify which arch I am targeting?
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12:57<stew>bernardo: by specifying which compiler in the CC environment variable (which would use /usr/bin/gcc if you don't specify)
12:58<stew>bernardo: or with the --arch paramter to make-kpkg
12:58<fxiny>hey : any good news coming ? i see tons of debian-changes mails coming
12:58<bernardo>stew: ok, thanks
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12:59<stew>fxiny: 4.0r5 is being prepared. dunno if that is what you are seeing
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13:00<fxiny>stew: good news stew : 101 mails so far :))
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13:01<fxiny>my osd_cat mail notification system going crazy :)
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13:10<ebzzry>Hi! Is it possible to run the Xen hypervisor on top of my running system?
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13:11<erKURITA>how else do you plan on running it?
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13:11<ebzzry>erKURITA: I'm not very familiar with the use of Xen. The wikipedia page says that it will boot from GRUB. Is that the only way to start it?
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13:12<erKURITA>if it boots from GRUB, how different could it be from a dual (or more) boot system ?
13:13<erKURITA>that would be pointless, IMO
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13:13<ebzzry>erKURITA: No, I said "on top", meaning I don't have to shutdown *this* system.
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13:14<Sparky>hi everyone, would anyone know what could cause the file menu on a given application to open every 30 seconds or so?
13:14<erKURITA>I'm not very familiar with the use of Xen. The wikipedia page says that it will boot from GRUB. <= I meant that
13:14<ebzzry>erKURITA: Does it mean that there is no other way to boot Xen aside from booting from a bootloader?
13:15<erKURITA>as far as I know, Xen is a paravirtualization technology, which means the "guest" system, runs almost parallel to the "host" system.
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13:15<erKURITA>it's similar in some aspects to a KVM
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13:16<erKURITA>I've never tinkered with Xen, but I assume your running kernel has to support it, as well as your processor
13:16<erKURITA>(or the processor helps on it)
13:16<ebzzry>erKURITA: On most systems, it would run in paravirtualization, meaning a guest OS must be modified, as contrasted to full virtualization, which doesn't require modification of the guest OS.
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13:16<avu>ebzzry, the xen hypervisor always runs on the bare metal
13:16<ebzzry>avu: That's the answer I was looking for. Always?
13:17<avu>ebzzry, (it might be possible to coerce it into running inside another virtualization environment but that would not be very useful/fast)
13:17<ebzzry>avu: So as of this time, there is no way to say run Xen inside my running Debian system?
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13:17<avu>ebzzry, there never will be, that's not what xen is for
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13:18<avu>you run the xen hypervisor on the bare matel and then let that boot your debian system as dom0
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13:18<ebzzry>avu: on the bare metal then let it boot my Debian system?
13:19<ebzzry>avu: Is that doable using Debian's package system?
13:19<dpkg>hmm... cc is Cocos (Keeling) Islands
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13:19<avu>ebzzry, yes, install the xen hyperviros, modify your menu.lst to boot it, install a dom0 capable kernel, reboot
13:19<avu>ebzzry, etch hast such a kernel
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13:21<ebzzry>avu: When I (or the package management system) creates a new entry in menu.lst to boot the Xen hypervisor, do I need to create a new Debian installation or I can use the existing one?
13:21<avu>ebzzry, you can use the existing one
13:21<avu>ebzzry, as long as you install a dom0 capable kernel image
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13:22<ebzzry>avu: Most likely, will that (installation of a dom0 kernel image) be handled by apt-get/aptitude/whatever?
13:22<underquestion>join #debian-russian.
13:22<avu>ebzzry, I already told you that etch has such a kernel
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13:23<ebzzry>avu: OK
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13:25<ebzzry>avu: I'm currently using Lenny on an amd64 system. I searched the package cache for entries on Xen, and the one that I found are: linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64, xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-amd64, and xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64. Just to confirm, will the last one install the two others?
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13:30<ebzzry>That answer to that is "yes", as I later found out. O.o
13:30<ebzzry>BTW, what is the command to list the files that a package *would* install, meaning the package has not been installed yet
13:31<@weasel>dpkg --contents foo.deb?
13:31<dpkg>weasel: i haven't a clue
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13:33<fxiny>amphi: one month ? so they are not gonna die
13:33<avu>ebzzry, lenny doesn't have a dom0 capable kernel AFAIK
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13:34<fxiny>sorry wrong window
13:34<avu>ebzzry, the xen images are just for domU
13:34<ebzzry>weasel: No, I don't have the .deb file.
13:34<ebzzry>avu: Ha? Aww?
13:35<avu>ebzzry, just build it yourself or use the etch kernel
13:35<avu>ebzzry, but what are you doing running lenny on a server anyway? :-)
13:35<ebzzry>avu: What makes you say that it doesn't have it?
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13:36<@weasel>ebzzry: then get it.
13:36<ebzzry>avu: I'm running Lenny on my laptop. I'm also running Lenny on a server because my boss requires me to run it. :-)
13:36<avu>ebzzry, the fact that I followed the discussions on -devel. There is no official xen patch for anything other than 2.6.18
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13:36<avu>ebzzry, and you want xen for the server, right?
13:37<ebzzry>weasel: No, no. That would be very impractical since I'll have to determine where to get it. I'm looking for a command like "dpkg -L" or "dlocate -L" but would work on non-installed packages.
13:37<ebzzry>avu: Yes.
13:37<avu>ebzzry, aptitude download foo
13:37<@weasel>ebzzry: you can't know which files are in a .deb unless you have the deb
13:37<avu>ebzzry, (will get you the package if it's in an archive listed in your sources.list)
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13:38<avu>ebzzry, (just asking about the server because xen is far from optimal for a virtualization solution on a workstation)
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13:39<ebzzry>weasel: So I guess I really have to download it first so I can examine its contents. So at this time, there is no way to query the package system, more specifically the repository for files that a package would install. I'm thinking something like apt-file but would work in reverse. Instead of giving the file name and getting the package names, give it a package name and it would give you the files.
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13:39<ebzzry>avu: Far from optimal?
13:39<ebzzry>avu: That's disheartening? Why?
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13:40<@weasel>ebzzry: well, you could browse,
13:40<@weasel>ebzzry: but the packaging system itself does not do what you want
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13:40<ebzzry>weasel: And click on "List files"?
13:41<avu>ebzzry, because it requires you to either run your 'main' system virtualized all the time or reboot if you want to use virtualization. also because many video drivers won't work properly in a dom0
13:41<ebzzry>weasel: Well, a web interface exists, apt-file exists, so why not something that I was thinking. :-)
13:41<avu>ebzzry, if you're looking for a workstation solution, have a look at kvm or virtualbox for example
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13:41<ebzzry>avu: What? Many video drivers? Oh man.
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13:42<avu>ebzzry, yes. xen is primarily a server solution
13:42<ebzzry>avu: That's even more disheartening. So I guess I'll have to look at VirtualBox and Kvm then.
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14:39<dpkg>hello, neo_the_user
14:39<Neo_The_User>hey everybody
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14:40<Neo_The_User>is there a link on compiling a linux kernel from source somewhere on the net?
14:40<Neo_The_User>all in command line?
14:40<stew>Neo_The_User: /msg dpkg kp
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14:41<Neo_The_User>ok. just so you know. i still didn't install X / any GUI
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14:42<Neo_The_User>i'd have to use make menuconfig right? since i don't have X installed
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14:45<Exclamationpoint>why _must_ /etc/sudoers be edied with visudo? ;_;
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14:45<Neo_The_User>grr! the mirror for the repositories are so slow. how do i change my network mirror?
14:46<Studiosus>hi, all! I burnt dvd with growisofs -udf but now I can't mount it as udf dvd :( mount -t udf says in /var/log/messages: 'UDF-fs: No VRS found'
14:46<Neo_The_User>no VRS found is good
14:46<Neo_The_User>you have to install the UDF module
14:47<stew>Exclamationpoint: it doesn't have to be edited with visudo, but it is a good idea to becuase it will check the syntax after you are editing for mistakes
14:47<Neo_The_User>you should have done that in expert install. ;). now... how do i change my network mirror?
14:47<stew>Neo_The_User: editor /etc/apt/sources.list
14:48<Exclamationpoint>good cuz im not hardcore 'nuff to like vi.
14:48<stew>Exclamationpoint: update-alternatives --config editor
14:48<Neo_The_User>stew, whats the US debian thing again? or something?
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14:48<Neo_The_User>thanks. good memory!
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14:49<Exclamationpoint>thanks a lot stew :) didnt know about that.
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14:50<stew>Exclamationpoint: visudo (and the other similar commands like vipw vigr...) just invoke sensible-editor which will check for a EDITOR environment variable or fallback to /usr/bin/editor which you change with the command i just gave you
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14:51<Exclamationpoint>usefull, last time i edited a /etc/sudoers file i struggled with vi >_>
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14:52<Neo_The_User>hey stew, how long have you been using debian?
14:52<stew>Exclamationpoint: i believe that newer installs of debian use nano as the default editor instead of vi, since nano is more friendly...
14:52<stew>Neo_The_User: since 2001
14:53<Neo_The_User>no wonder you know everything. :D
14:53<stew>yeah, i've been using linux since 1993, but was on yggdrasil then slackware then redhat until 2001 when i finally convinced my wife that we needed to finally ditch redhat
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15:04<Neo_The_User>links2 wont download anything
15:05<Neo_The_User>my switch doesn't even blink
15:05<Neo_The_User>do i need to use wget?
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15:06<Neo_The_User>stew where did you go?
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15:08<Neo_The_User>AH HA! wget works!
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15:15<Neo_The_User>where does debian store the stock kernel config file?
15:16<stew>Neo_The_User: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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15:16<Neo_The_User>you own. thanks
15:17<Exclamationpoint>meh :<
15:17<Neo_The_User>it says missing destenation file
15:17<stew>Neo_The_User: what command says that?
15:17<Neo_The_User>cp -vi
15:18<Neo_The_User>im used to ubuntu so...
15:18<stew>Neo_The_User: its "cp sourcefile destfile" just like on ubuntu
15:18<stew>Neo_The_User: "cp -vi" seems to like bother sourcefile and destfile
15:19<Neo_The_User>thanks. worked
15:19<Neo_The_User>so i guess i can ask you anything about debian and you'll know the answer right?
15:20<stew>certainly not
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15:23<Neo_The_User>stew, are you a debian developer?
15:23<stew>Neo_The_User: yes
15:24<Neo_The_User>wow! you must know C!
15:24<stew>Neo_The_User: i do, but my c skills are very rusty, but that is in no way a requirement of becomming a DD
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15:26<djtamse>hi how could i disable cd rom installing cause when i install package with apt its using the cdrom but is it possible to disable that ?
15:26<Neo_The_User>I know a little bit of C. im an ex PSP developer with M33. i moved on to PS3 hacking. i dont think debian developing would be too good if i become a DD
15:26<Neo_The_User>hi djtamse
15:26<djtamse>hi ;)
15:27<stew>djtamse: remove the cdrom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list (/msg dpkg sources.list)
15:27<djtamse>okay thanks i will try that ;)
15:28<Neo_The_User>good answer stew
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15:29<Neo_The_User>ok im gunna compile this thing
15:29<djtamse>thanks that was very helpsome sorry my english is a little bad ;P im running a squid3 proxy server on 40 gb hd ide and a pure amdk7 1.4 ghz and 1.5 gb ram
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15:30<djtamse>is irc bouncer hard to install ?
15:30<Exclamationpoint>not rly.
15:30<djtamse>what is a good bouncer if i may ask ;) ?
15:31<Exclamationpoint>i tried znc and it was pretty straightforward.
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15:31<djtamse>its actualley the one im trying to install right now :p
15:31<Exclamationpoint>dead simple configuration
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15:33<djtamse>listen hosts blank for all isps not sure what that means ? my english isent so damn good ;(
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15:33<Exclamationpoint>if you leave it blank it allows you to connect from anywhere.
15:34<djtamse>oh cool ;)
15:34<Exclamationpoint>blank is probably what you want.
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15:34<djtamse>its better guided than psybnc hard to code i think
15:35<jcole>im trying to install a debian terminal server for our team with active directory authentication.. any pointers?
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15:37<binarymutant>jcole, use ldap instead?
15:37<djtamse>hmm vhost optional ?
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15:38<djtamse>Exclamationpoint do you know what i should write in whos optional ?
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15:38<djtamse>sorry ment vhost
15:39<Exclamationpoint>if you dont know what it is, you can leave it blank.
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15:39<djtamse>Exclamationpoint okay many thanks ;)
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15:40<djtamse>Exclamationpoint can i msg you private ?
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15:42<jcole>binarymutant: i could use simple ldap, but i also want to use the kerberos/ad ticket for authing
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15:43<variable>does anybody here use dbus?
15:44<stew>variable: lots of people
15:44<binarymutant>I thought you could use kerberos with ldap
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15:44<variable>stew, what for it is?
15:45<stew>variable: interprocess communication
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15:45<meoblast001>im looking to make a debian based distro and i need to know where to start
15:45<meoblast001>is there any source i need to download?
15:46<stew>meoblast001: why do you want to make a debian based distro instead of just improving debian?
15:46<variable>stew, i'm asking because i've got notification for update it. So i'm asking should i update it or it is not nessesary?
15:46<binarymutant>jcole, you can use GSSAPI with ldap for kerberos
15:46<meoblast001>stew: every distro has it's own purpose and i dont want to destroy debians purpose by adding my ideas and turning into another... i'd rather take debian and make my purpose out of it
15:47<meoblast001>stew: i want to make something easy to use like ubuntu but easier.... and i want to support more architechtures than Canonical wants to
15:47<stew>variable: lots of things use it, you can always run something like aptitude search '~i~Ddbus' or "aptitude --simulate remove dbus" to see what things you have installed depend on it
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15:48<chealer>meoblast001: depends on what you want to do. but this channel is for Debian support.
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15:49<meoblast001>chealer: im just looking for something that contains a live CD with an installer where i can add my own packages for it to install configured that way i'd like
15:49<variable>stew, thanks a lot ;]
15:49<binarymutant>meoblast001, knoppix maybe?
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15:50<stew>meoblast001: perhaps look at simple-cdd
15:50<meoblast001>binarymutant: isnt knoppix kde? although i can change that stuff
15:50<meoblast001>stew: i looked at simple-cdd.. doesnt look like it has a livecd mode with an installer
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15:50<meoblast001>just a text based installer
15:50<meoblast001>im thinking about adopting the ubuntu installer as well as usplash
15:51<FoxM>Hi. I have a amd64 kernel ('uname -rm' shows: '2.6.26-1-amd64 x86_64') and 4GB RAM physically installed (4096 MB as shown in BIOS and HwInfo32 in Windows) yet the total memory addressed by the system is 3.5 GB ('free -m' reports: total Mem: 3527), like if it were a 32-bit kernel. (Windows XP 32 bits also reports 3.5 GB). How can I address the rest of the memory?
15:51<binarymutant>meoblast001, you can remaster any livecd, here's a link to knoppix remastering howto
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15:52<stew>meoblast001: apt-cache show live-helper
15:52<meoblast001>binarymutant: but if livecd's dont have source, then how would i change how it works?
15:53<Exclamationpoint>you dont need to rewrite the actual code to remaster it.
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15:53<miguel>Hi debs!
15:54<binarymutant>meoblast001, you dont dont need the source for all those programs you just need the deb files
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15:54<meoblast001>binarymutant: so is the installer in a deb also?
15:54<stew>meoblast001: livecds do have source, if you know of one that doesn't, please notify the FSF since that would be a violation of the GPL (among other licenses)
15:54<meoblast001>the installer for the live cd
15:54<miguel>i'm a newbie in debian
15:54<miguel>i've never used any dist before, and i love it
15:55<binarymutant>meoblast001, let me go find this Linux Journal article I remember seeing about remastering livecds
15:55<stew>meoblast001: apt-cache show live-helper
15:55<miguel>but some things don't work really well
15:55<miguel>can you help me?
15:55<stew>miguel: just ask your question
15:55<meoblast001>stew: keep in mind im currently on my ubuntu machine... is that availalbe on ubuntu as well
15:55*meoblast001 hides because he knows ppl will scream at him
15:55<miguel>running iceweasel or epiphany
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15:55<miguel>when i play youtube like example
15:56<Exclamationpoint>meoblast001, try and see for urself.
15:56<miguel>i see a play button on any video
15:56<dmoerner>meoblast001, rmadison tells me it is.
15:56<miguel>and i have to click it
15:56<stew>meoblast001: i have no idea about ubuntu, but the command I'm telling you to run would tell you
15:56<miguel>or it doesn't appears the vid
15:56<meoblast001>it ran
15:56<miguel>sorry for my bad english, i'm spanish
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15:56<stew>miguel: it would be easier to follow what you are saying if you don't hit enter so often
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15:57<Exclamationpoint>do you have flash installed?
15:58<meoblast001>binarymutant, will this just install all the debs in the pool?
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15:59<Exclamationpoint>remaster != installing everything
15:59<meoblast001>no. the pool on the CD
15:59<miguel>i really don't know, but i think yes, because clicking there it appears the vid, it's strange. I need to confirm clicking on any vid before it could appear
15:59<meoblast001>installing everything would be crazy
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15:59<binarymutant>meoblast001, can't find the article but live-helper looks like a good start.
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16:00<binarymutant>meoblast001, you do have a pool of debs but only the files you want for your livecd I think
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16:00<binarymutant>meoblast001, not everything in the debian repo
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16:01<meoblast001>live-helper looks nice
16:01<meoblast001>i'll download the debian version
16:01<lucas_>does anyone know a good program to backup video dvd (DeCSS) ?
16:01<meoblast001>since im on Ubuntu and i want this to be more debian like than ubuntu like
16:01<binarymutant>its supposedly easy, but I don't use livecds
16:01<lucas_>under linux of course
16:01<binarymutant>meoblast001, it's on ubuntu too
16:02<meoblast001>well.. actually.. i want to take a different approacha than ubuntu did
16:02<meoblast001>binarymutant, im not sure if the ubuntu version has been edited to make it ubuntu like
16:02<binarymutant>meoblast001, I always thought ubuntu was just like debian :/
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16:02<Exclamationpoint>highly unlikely, meoblast001
16:02<meoblast001>binarymutant, ftmp lol... some changes in apt compatibility and ease of use
16:03<lucas_>nobody backup dvd here :(
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16:04<binarymutant>lucas_, do you mean rip?
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16:05<Cheatah>i'm having problems using ip6tables in lenny
16:06<Cheatah>ip6tables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
16:06<Cheatah>this starts a [khelper] process, which in turn starts /sbin/modprobe -q -- nf_conntrack_10
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16:06<Cheatah>but the modprobe process simply hangs
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16:07<binarymutant>lucas_, there's a program called dvdbackup ... :/
16:07<lucas_>binarymutant: i dont know rip, i'm just looking for an application under linux that can duplicate / backup my personnal dvd such as AnyDVD under windows
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16:08<ebzzry>avu: Are you there?
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16:08<lucas_>does dvdbackup support DeCSS decryption? (protected dvd)
16:08<Cheatah>nothing in the log files however... any ideas anyone?
16:08<Exclamationpoint>lucas_, if you dont need to play it up on the computer you dont even eed DeCSS
16:09<binarymutant>lucas_, wy do you want to back it up without the encryption?
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16:09<Nazcafan>I always have a statd failure at bootime, does anyone here experience the same issue?
16:09<binarymutant>lucas_, you can play it using libdvdcss2 idk about backup
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16:10<binarymutant>lucas_, dvdbackup says it can :)
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16:10<ebzzry>Since avu does not seem to be around, guys, do any of you know the official status of Xen as dom0 on Lenny?
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16:10<Alba>hi... need a hand :d any ideas where should the www apache folder be? cannot seem to find it :D
16:11<binarymutant>Alba, /var/www ?
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16:11<Alba>havent checked there sec
16:12<FoxM>Hi. I have a amd64 kernel ('uname -rm' shows: '2.6.26-1-amd64 x86_64') and 4GB RAM physically installed (4096 MB as shown in BIOS and HwInfo32 in Windows) yet the total memory addressed by the system is 3.5 GB ('free -m' reports: total Mem: 3527), like if it were a 32-bit kernel. (Windows XP 32 bits also reports 3.5 GB). How can I address the rest of the memory?
16:12<binarymutant>Alba, it's there but you can change all that in apache's configuration thats why I added the '?'
16:12<lucas_>I want to back it up without encryption to burn it on a dvd. My 2 year old girl has already detroyed her second "ratatouille" dvd
16:12<lucas_>i want to use the backup dvd and keep the original in a safe place
16:13<Alba>aha no i didnt change it... i was just searching on /etc like in ubuntu but i see its different here... to chown is chown -R user /var/www or there is also something different here?
16:13<binarymutant>lucas_, try dvdbackup it was the first thing I saw on google and says it supports decryption
16:13<lucas_>i'm gonna try dvdbackup
16:13<Exclamationpoint>you can just do a 1:1 copy without decrypting and it should work in your dvd player.
16:13<binarymutant>Alba, apache's user is www-data
16:13<meoblast001>binarymutant, why does it not have sparc and such listed? only ppc i386 and amd
16:14<Alba>i think i need to read about apache in debian... because it works a bit different as it did on ubuntu for what i see
16:14<binarymutant>Alba, so it's chown -R www-data /var/www
16:14<Alba>so www-data should be the folder to chown then?
16:14<binarymutant>Alba, or maybe chown -R /var/www www-data ...
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16:15<lucas_>Exclamationpoint: a direct copy from dvd to dvd of a css protected DVD was not working when i was under windows. Why should it work under linux?
16:15<binarymutant>meoblast001, you use sparc?
16:15<meoblast001>but i want to target as many audiences as possible
16:15<Alba>ahaaa i see so it creates another user?
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16:16<binarymutant>Alba, no when you install apache it sets up the user to www-data by default, when you change ownership your have to specify folder (/var/www) and user (www-data)
16:16<binarymutant>meoblast001, :)
16:17<Alba>i see :) thanks a lot binarymutant
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16:17<meoblast001>binarymutant, the add packages button doesnt work lol
16:17<binarymutant>np Alba
16:17<Cheatah>i prefer not to chown to www-data, as www-data usually should not be able to write to files
16:17<Cheatah>but that's another discussion
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16:17<binarymutant>meoblast001, if you send me a sparc i'll port it for you :)
16:18<Alba>hmm see guys... the whole thing is that i had an apache set up on ubuntu, pretty private just for me... but i used to 'drag and drop' files into www folder after chowning it to my user (i.e Alba)
16:18<Alba>wondering if its gonna be very different here
16:18<binarymutant>Alba, ooo then it should be something like chown -R /var/www Alba or something like that
16:19<Alba>aha i see :D that's what i was looking for i guess hihi thanks!!!!
16:19<meoblast001>binarymutant, do you have live-magic installed?
16:19<meoblast001>cuz the add packages button doesnt do anything
16:19<Cheatah>yes, and on larger environments you would want to add your own user to group www-dat
16:19<Exclamationpoint>sudo denies me access. What am I doing wrong? /etc/sudoers >>
16:19<Cheatah>www-data, that is
16:20<binarymutant>meoblast001, no I don't need a livecd, I put it on my hard drive :/
16:20<meoblast001>well can you install it and tell me if that button works for you?
16:20<Alba>it's just a local thing Cheatah to show some pics to my friends instead of using imageshack... nothing really serious just handy
16:20<Cheatah>in that case just make your own user own the http root directory :)
16:20<Exclamationpoint>meoblast001, you could look in the projects irc channel or webpage or smth like that you know.
16:21<FoxM>Hi. I have a amd64 kernel ('uname -rm' shows: '2.6.26-1-amd64 x86_64') and 4GB RAM physically installed (4096 MB as shown in BIOS and HwInfo32 in Windows) yet the total memory addressed by the system is 3.5 GB ('free -m' reports: total Mem: 3527), like if it were a 32-bit kernel. (Windows XP 32 bits also reports 3.5 GB). How can I address the rest of the memory?
16:21<Alba>ok let's try hehe
16:21<binarymutant>meoblast001, what button?
16:21<meoblast001>in Source.. the add button
16:21<meoblast001>in expert
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16:22<binarymutant>meoblast001, um it's installing
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16:23<variable>what command for checking process list and for killing process?
16:23<binarymutant>variable, ps x and killall -9 ?
16:24<Exclamationpoint>killalll can be used for killing a running procces by it's name.
16:24<binarymutant>meoblast001, yeah there isn't a lot of different architectures available for it :/
16:24<meoblast001>but in source
16:24<meoblast001>if you hit add for packages
16:24<binarymutant>meoblast001, did you add a mirror to it?
16:24<Cheatah>anyone has any ideas on connection tracking with ipv6 in lenny?
16:25<meoblast001>binarymutant: no
16:25<Cheatah>but the system hangs when trying to load the module
16:25<meoblast001>where do you add that
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16:25<binarymutant>meoblast001, under common in expert, but the non-expert was installing everything for me automagickly
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16:28<binarymutant>meoblast001, looks like a cool program btw never seen it before
16:28<ebzzry>If I'm going to resize an ext2/ext3 partition, what tool would you suggest to use, resize2fs or parted?
16:28<stew>ebzzry: resize2fs
16:28<binarymutant>ebzzry, gparted?
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16:29<ebzzry>Now there are two answers. :-(
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16:29<meoblast001>binarymutant, i can tfind an installer though =/
16:30<binarymutant>meoblast001, srry just took live-magic off my pc :(
16:30<ebzzry>binarymutant: GNU parted from the parted package
16:30<ebzzry>stew: Why resize2fs?
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16:30<ebzzry>binarymutant: Why gparted?
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16:30<binarymutant>ebzzry, because gui is easier than cli when giving support I think
16:31<ebzzry>binarymutant: No, I'll have to it via SSH.
16:32<binarymutant>o :)
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16:34<ebzzry>I need to resize a partition which is in a domU.
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16:35<stew>ebzzry: i just trust e2fsprogs more than parted
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16:35<ebzzry>stew: What makes you trust it more than the other?
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16:38<Alba>ok now its up and running but i cannot see indexed any files i am putting into /var/www just the it works! am i missing some mdule or something?
16:39<binarymutant>how do I get dpkg to tell someone something?
16:39<binarymutant>dpkg the bot
16:39<dpkg>binarymutant: I give up, what is it?
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16:40<binarymutant>dpkg tell binarymutant !help
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16:41<adb>!tell binarymutant about tell
16:41<binarymutant>ah ty
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16:41<Fade_To_Black>hi, If I would, say install the latest snapshot of debian testing, would I be able to pgrade seemless to debian lenny when it becomes stable?
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16:42<Cheatah>Fade_To_Black: usually yes
16:42<Cheatah>but no guarantees, of course
16:43<Fade_To_Black>Is there also a way of doing reverse of a dist-upgrade? I mean I use sid now, but I don't see any advantages in it
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16:44<moornull>what's the general help chan for this network?
16:44<binarymutant>moornull, for debian?
16:44<binarymutant>moornull, or oftc?
16:44<moornull>no. for oftc
16:44<moornull>meh. nm
16:44<binarymutant>#oftc maybe
16:45<Alba>im not sure here but in most of networks if you just type /join #help you are redirected to whichever help channel is set up
16:45<stew>ebzzry: i dunno, probably that i feel like resize2fs is made to do nothing but resize ext2/ext3 filesystems, its probably does a better job than something like parted which tries to also understand a dozen other filesystems and partition table types
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16:45<ebzzry>stew: OK
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16:47<DeltaX>I'm trying to enable ndiswrapper on a Netgear WG511v2 PC card. I got ndiswrapper set up with the driver, but when I go to enable it (running as root: modprobe ndiswrapper) I get FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. Any ideas to a work around for this?
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16:48<Neo_The_User>how do i tell the command line to list all the file's names in the folder i "cd"'d into?
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16:49<Neo_The_User>kickass! Thanks DeltaX!
16:49<DeltaX>No problem.
16:49<Neo_The_User>now to install my kernel
16:49<DeltaX>Have fun, hah.
16:49<Neo_The_User>sudo dpkg -i right?
16:49<DeltaX>If it's a .deb yes.
16:50<Neo_The_User>are you stew?
16:50<Neo_The_User>oh. debian developer?
16:50<DeltaX>No, just a user.
16:50<Neo_The_User>oh ok.
16:50<Neo_The_User>pretty experianced i would say
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16:51<DeltaX>Thanks, to bad I can't get my wireless card to work.
16:51<binarymutant>DeltaX, what chipset?
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16:51<DeltaX>isl3890 I believe, it's an Intersil. Umm, one sec.
16:51<Neo_The_User>is it configured correctly? does your router support DHCP?
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16:52<DeltaX>Libertas chipset is what comes up with lspci
16:52<DeltaX>Yea, my router does DHCP.
16:53<DeltaX>Marvell chipset.
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16:53<binarymutant>DeltaX, you'll probably have to do use it with ndiswrapper
16:53<Neo_The_User>testing new kernel. be righta backa
16:54<Neo_The_User>Say hello to your mother for me. just kidding
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16:55<DeltaX>Yes, I have ndiswrapper and the driver installed in it. When I go modprobe ndiswrapper I get FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
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16:58<binarymutant>DeltaX, you'll have to get the kernel headers and recompile ndiswrapper I think
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16:58<chealer>Fade_To_Black: no
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16:59<binarymutant>wifi cards are a pain :/
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17:10<DeltaX>How do I get the kernel headers and recompile ndiswrapper, I just installed it with apt the first time.
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17:12<DeltaX>I'll work on it and come back latter if I need help, thanks.
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17:16<Exclamationpoint>sudo denies me access. What am I doing wrong? /etc/sudoers >>
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17:24<variable>how to set env variable?
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17:28<blarson>variable: See the man page for your shell. export or setenv.
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17:29<adb> envsubst --help
17:29<adb> env --help
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17:31<brunner>which would you rather run? a Dual Core 2.4Ghz AMD Opteron or Quad Core 2.4GHz Intel Core 2?
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17:31<binarymutant>brunner, quad > dual
17:32<binarymutant>but I dont get the obsession with adding more cores
17:32<brunner>these are just the choices I'm being offered
17:32<blarson>brunner: Depends. benchmark with your application.
17:32<binarymutant>4 is always more than 2 :)
17:32<brunner>I didn't know if "Opteron" was of any value as compared to the Core 2
17:33<ameyer>if power consumption and/or heat is a major issue, you could argue for the Opteron
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17:33<ameyer>quad Core 2 would probably be faster, though
17:33<Alba>i just wonder if there's so much difference between them
17:33<binarymutant>when are we going to see faster processors rather than more cores?
17:33<adb>same caches
17:33<blarson>binarymutant: Yes, but if you are single-threaded the extra cores don't do anything. And cache, memory, disk, etc. probably affect things more than the CPU.
17:33<brunner>neither power consumption nor heat are an issue
17:33<Alba>to be honest i cannot feel a big difference between my intel core 2 duo and the celeron i was running before...
17:34<Alba>and for sure, there is
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17:35<binarymutant>blarson, thats why I don't understand the appeal of more cores, because I don't use any parallel programs
17:35<brunner>blarson: unless there's a single-threaded fork of apache and mysql that I ended up with, it'll be multi-threaded
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17:36<brunner>so I'll stick with the quad core Core 2
17:36<brunner>thanks everyone for the input
17:36<brunner>that was very helpful
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17:38<binarymutant>is there a way to cluster video games yet?
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18:10<variable>looks like with export i set env variable just temprorary and how to set it globaly for all users and when the system reboots it will be available?
18:10<variable>i'm trying to set java classpath ;/
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18:23<panagos>is there a socks client that can just listen to a port and serve requests, without much hassle?
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18:23<panagos>** a socks server
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18:38<sander_m>enouf: Hi. Are you there?
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18:42<enouf>sander_m: as usual :-p
18:42<sander_m>enouf: You wanted to know about my write-up of that xrandr/gnome problem
18:43<enouf>sander_m: sure
18:43<sander_m>enouf: Here you go:
18:43<enouf>sander_m: ok \o/
18:43<enouf>!congratulate sander_m
18:43<dpkg>Good show sander_m, you did it!
18:44<sander_m>enouf: Spread it far and wide!
18:44<enouf>must. replace. all. bad. information.
18:44<enouf>on. the. www.
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18:45<sander_m>Did you spot an error in my article?
18:45<OilFurnace>whens debian 5 coming out?
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18:45<enouf>sander_m: you were saying how many articles/wikis/directions mentioned to do alter /etc/X11/Xsession.d/xxxx- xrandr-nnn or something
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18:46<sander_m>See for example
18:46<enouf>sander_m: righto - that
18:46<enouf>'s what i meant
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18:47<enouf>sander_m: hrm, suppose one doesn't use gnome .. hrmm .. oh well ;-)
18:48<sander_m>enouf: Yeah. I don't know how KDE/XFCE and other DE's do it. I presume they do honour the existing setup
18:48<sander_m>enouf: If so, then the Xsession.d trick works out-of-the-box
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18:51<enouf>sander_m: i see - so ... more hoops to jump through for gnome, because they want you to do it "their" way .. who knows, maybe they had their GUI thingy (in gnome-control-center) in mind the whole time
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18:53<enouf>sander_m: this was meant to be a horrible sounding, but an amusing robotic voice, using full stops-> <enouf> must. replace. all. bad. information. on. the. www. <--i guess it didn't work so well
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18:53<enouf>think "Danger! Will Robinson ,.. Danger!" .. with arms flailing about :-P
18:54<sander_m>I got the voice, but I wasn't sure if you were speaking about an error in my article or about the other XRandR articles.
18:55<enouf>sander_m: i couldn't discern and proofread your detailed info that fast ;-)
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18:55<sander_m>Hehe :-)
18:55<enouf>and besides - if anything gnome related is a bit off, i wouldn't know anyway :-P
18:56<sander_m>You run KDE?
18:56<enouf>(remember, i don't use gnome, so i'm not familar)
18:56<enouf>sander_m: not really
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18:57<brujo>i serched on google about serial<->c++
18:57<brujo>and every body use the termios
18:57<sander_m>enouf: What then? XFCE? Terminal? Butterflies (
18:57<brujo>and a lot of include files
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18:57<enouf>it's installed - but i loathe it, but i use one or two qt apps, and occassionally, i fallback upon konqout[tm] for shopping online and for those really nasty sites that require all sorts of crap in a browser
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18:58<brujo>but on C you can edit serial port esasily
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18:58<brujo>just do stty <params>
18:58<brujo>and fprintf
18:58<OilFurnace>whens debian 5 coming out?
18:58<enouf>sander_m: mostly shell for any sort of system work - and links2 as the browser
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19:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:00<enouf>sander_m: xterm/konsole (cause of tabbed shells) ,,,, but i like GUIs generally, BUT they must follow the unix philosophy and most don't - and if they do, they're uglier than <insert something not very nice here>
19:01<enouf>OilFurnace: when it's ready
19:01<enouf>!tell OilFurnace -about wwlr
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19:02<sander_m>enouf: Hehe :-) I like GNOME... most of the time. But I spend most of my time in an xterm and in gvim.
19:02<enouf>brujo: anything useful here?
19:03<enouf>sander_m: attaboy \o/
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19:04<sander_m>enouf: Anyway, thanks again for your help this afternoon. I gotta go again. It's 1 am around here so time I hit the sack. See ya!
19:04<enouf>sander_m: c ya - and thanks for following through ;-)
19:04<sander_m>enouf: No problem :-)
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19:17<seanysmotpoker>how do I control an extra hd with debian?
19:17<seanysmotpoker>kwdisk or something like that?
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19:17<seanysmotpoker>I'm just now learning the GUI, and I need to know how to mount one of my hard drives.
19:17<seanysmotpoker>a 400 gig
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19:18<seanysmotpoker>can anyone help me out?
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19:20<bitches>I want to know how to mount a partition on my 160gb hdd.. it has all my files on it
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19:26<gef>brad, works
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19:29<DeltaX>So to get my wireless card working we were saying I need to re-install ndiswrapper?
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19:31<upsilon>DeltaX: m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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19:32<DeltaX>I'll try that right now.
19:32<blarson>seanysmotpoker: add it to /etc/fstab, then use mount.
19:32<upsilon>DeltaX: you will need module-assistant
19:33<DeltaX>Okay, I can apt-get that.
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19:33<NinjaMan>is it possible to produce a single SSL certificate (for apache / lighttpd) that is valid for multiple addresses - e.g. localhost and my FQDN ?
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19:39<[1]DeltaX>Okay, I installed module-assistant and ran that command. Now it's installing something else that started after I ran that.
19:40<[1]DeltaX>Looks like programs to build a kernel
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19:41<[1]DeltaX>Ahh, rebuilding ndiswrapper.
19:42<[1]DeltaX>And done, back to prompt.
19:42<[1]DeltaX>Wow, you are amazing. You told me 1 thing and it fixed what I have been searching for for 8 hours.
19:43<[1]DeltaX>Thanks so much.
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19:58<upsilon>DeltaX: I had the exact same problem a while ago :)
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20:09<carlosinfl>Why does Iceweasel come installed auto with a flash browser plugin?
20:10<abrotman>not with adobe flash
20:12<carlosinfl>No - that is my complaint. When you install "Desktop Environment" via Netinst, you get IW and it already has some horrible plugin for flash. I would like to not have any plugin at all and then install Adobe myself.
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20:13<carlosinfl>Can I remove the pre-packaged flash that Debian is including with IW? I know everyone who installs Debian has to have the same issue with flash as I do...
20:14<blarson>carlosinfl: I've got iceweasel without flash. (I didn't install desktop.)
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20:15<carlosinfl>OK - well I do need Gnome installed so are you advising I install a base system during Netinst installer?
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20:18<abrotman>gnome installs swfdec
20:18<abrotman>carlosinfl: install the adobe flash and update the 'alternatives' for flash
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20:21<carlosinfl>abrotman: so you're saying Gnome auto installs "shockwave" flash plugin for IW to use?
20:22<abrotman>it's not adobe flash .. but swfdec
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20:23<carlosinfl>is "swfdec" shockwave flash?
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20:25<abrotman>!info swfdec-mozilla lenny
20:25<dpkg>swfdec-mozilla: (Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
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20:26<carlosinfl>OK - so I can remove this package? Is it possible to apt-get remove --purge the package?
20:26<abrotman>you can .. but it will remove the gnome package ..
20:26<abrotman>like i said .. it's better to setup the adobe flash in the alternatives system
20:27<carlosinfl>Who makes the determination to add this package under Gnome debian package? Why can't we install what we want to use? Is there a way to voice opinions to people who make decisions?
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20:28<abrotman>then don't use the metapackage .. problem solved
20:29<carlosinfl>I don't understand what you mean "metapackage" sorry?...
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20:29<abrotman>!install gnome
20:29<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
20:29<abrotman>those are metapackages.
20:29<dpkg>methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
20:29<abrotman>jebus ..
20:30<carlosinfl>Thanks all for this info!
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20:46<seanysmotpoker>anyone know of a good tutorial on formatting a 2nd HD?
20:46<seanysmotpoker>not mirrored
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20:47<dmoerner>seanysmotpoker, what do you mean?
20:47<blal>i think he means "how do i mke2fs?"
20:47<blal>we're sposed to say "man mke2fs"
20:48<dmoerner>given his choice of irc nick i'm not sure if our suggestions will make it through haha...
20:48<seanysmotpoker>I want to add a 2nd HD and mount it.
20:48<seanysmotpoker>is there an easy tutorial out there?
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20:48<seanysmotpoker>I can't seem to mount it.
20:48<seanysmotpoker>it's just 1 huge ext3 partition
20:48<seanysmotpoker>that I want to mount
20:49<blal>mount /dev/hdd1 /media/bigkahuna
20:50<blal>hdd is a drive, not a partition, silly
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20:50<blal>mount /dev/hdd1 /media/biglebowski
20:50<blal>mount /dev/hdd1 /media/diskaroonie
20:50<blal>mount /dev/hdd1 /media/thediskman
20:50<blal>mount /dev/hdd1 /media/thediskmeister
20:51<blal>mount /dev/hdd1 /media/storin_data
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20:59<philsf>I'm trying to compile a package from upstream's svn, and they are kind enough to provide a /debian/ directory complete enough that dpkg-buildpackage works without change, except for the version number (which is svn revision-based). But the revision that dpkg gets for the .dsc version is not the current one. I grep'ed around but can't find that revision hardcoded in any file in /debian, where does dpkg get it from?
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21:02<philsf>s/any file/any config file/ - the only place I found with that version is the changelog, which I assume was the last revision touched by the maintainer
21:03<kapil>philsf: debian/changelog defines the debian version
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21:08<philsf>and that was me thinking dpkg was somehow communicating with svn to create an autopackage
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21:19<Aleric>Is there a way to reboot a machine remotely that is hanging? I can ping it, I can connect to it's sshd (connection established), but everything else hangs. The only thing that still seems to work in the network layer, since my ssh sessions are kept alive (they do not get reset). I can't get passed the 'connection established' though :(
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21:20<Aleric>I had three windows with ssh sessions open and those are simply dead.
21:20<philsf>Aleric: you don't get to the shell?
21:21<Aleric>philsf: no
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21:21<Aleric>it's like it's extremely busy swapping, but it's worse... it doesn't do ANYTHING anymore except react to pings
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21:22<Aleric>At first I thought it crashed, or halted, but ping still works, and my ssh sessions don't time out.
21:22<philsf>if you have no shell, I don't think you can properly reboot. about 10 years ago you could send a ping of death, or something like that, but nowadays who knows?
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21:26<Aleric>philsf: I thought that maybe there was a special port that you can 'login to' to reboot it (using the root passwd).
21:26<philsf>Aleric: well, there is ssh :)
21:26<Aleric>doesn't work anymore
21:27<philsf>other than that, if you have such a port, it's been installed by a rootkit. not something you would like to have on your fine computer
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21:39<bitches>A god friend of mine compiled some updates and such and i downloaded them and it was suppose to install, but i don't think they did
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21:40<bitches>this was the message i got -- bash: cd: installer: No such file or directory
21:40<bitches>It created a folder of all the files, but did not open the installer.
21:40<bitches>any ideas?
21:41<bitches>cd installer && chmod +x && ./
21:41<bitches>that was what didn't work i guess
21:42<bitches>There is no installer directory it seems
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21:43<NTU>guys. i have prob
21:43<NTU>mpg123 and mocp doesn't play audio
21:45<NTU>excuse me?
21:46<NTU>is anybody alive?
21:46<bitches>NTU: good luck on getting these people to answer. they all seem idle.
21:46<NTU>333 people idle?
21:46<bitches>Looks like it
21:46<NTU>heh. sweet
21:46<NTU>i get this channel to myself!
21:46<bitches>349 on my side
21:47<NTU>it says 333
21:47<Gringo>333 here
21:47<NTU>mpg123 and mocp doesn't play audio
21:47<bitches>mine says 349.. sorry
21:47<stevecotton>what error message do you get?
21:47<bitches>maybethat is the limit
21:47<NTU>mine says your bluffing
21:47<bitches>ooooh.. 3 ops, 333 total
21:47<NTU>i dont get an error message
21:47<bitches>i was looking at the limit
21:48<NTU>it says bitrate etc etc play time etc etc but no actual sound
21:48<stevecotton>does anything successfully play sound?
21:48<NTU>my sound card is a SoC
21:48<NTU>how could i test that?
21:48<stevecotton>what's a SoC?
21:48<NTU>sound on chip
21:49<bitches>integrated audio
21:49<NTU>nervermind. im thinking of my old comp
21:49<bitches>would be easier to understan
21:49<stevecotton>have you fired up the volume control and checked that it's not defaulted to muted?
21:49<NTU>its a VIA VT8 something
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21:49<NTU>its not SoC
21:49<bitches>NTU: i have a low volume on linux period, even with the speaker and all the voume controls up.
21:49<NTU>im all in command line
21:50<NTU>how do i turn up volume in command line?
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21:50<NTU>i have no GUI installed
21:50<stevecotton>try alsamixer
21:50<blal>idlin in tha hizouse
21:50<stevecotton>that's ncurses based
21:51<NTU>alsamixer. command not found
21:51<blal>amixer if ncurses is too windows-ish
21:51<blal>if ur some kind of anti-gui fanatic
21:51<stevecotton>install alsa-utils
21:51*blal hibernates.
21:52<NTU>alsam'kay. installed alsa-utils
21:52<NTU>just now
21:53<NTU>im not anti-gui guy. i want to save ram. i only have 1GB of ram
21:53<NTU>AMD Athlon XP 2000+ ATi Radeon 9800 PRO tweaked madly
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21:53<NTU>am i flooding?
21:55<NTU>still no audio. what do i do?
21:55<Gringo>try windows
21:55<stevecotton>Get a separate audio player, and save RAM (1GB ought to be enough for X)
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21:55<Gringo>well i thought it was fuuny
21:56<NTU>it is enough
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21:56<stevecotton>Were all the volume settings around 60%?
21:56<stevecotton>well 60-80 %
21:56<NTU>alsa-utils command not found
21:57<NTU>how do i change volume settings?
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21:57<stevecotton>It would help if you told us error messages like that.
21:57<NTU>master was down all the way. DURRRRRRRRRRRRR!
21:58<NTU>ill put everything on 100
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21:58<NTU>still no audio. how do i save settings?
21:59<NTU>ok saved settings
21:59<NTU>im gunna restart the music
21:59<NTU>no dice
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22:01<NTU>how do i stop it?
22:01<NTU>im using mpg123
22:02<NTU>i removed file. still playing
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22:09<NTU>wow. quality is great
22:10<NTU>mpg123 is pretty good. Black Hole Sun - Soundgarden.mp3
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22:11<bitches>NTU: do you know your way around debian?
22:11<NTU>kind of. i mean. i can do whatever i do everyday in a GUI
22:11<NTU>so i no longer need a GUI
22:12<bitches>why does this not work
22:12<bitches>cd installer && chmod +x && ./
22:12<NTU>are you messin with me?
22:12<bitches>bash: cd: installer: No such file or directory
22:12<NTU>because the installer is not a directory
22:12<NTU>its a file. not a folder. ;)
22:12<bitches>then take out cd?
22:13<NTU>type in sh or ./
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22:14<NTU>chmod +x (hit enter) sh (or) ./
22:14<bitches>chmod: cannot access `': No such file or directory
22:15<NTU>cd to the directory that the .sh is in
22:15<abrotman>bitches: 1) could you change your nick? 2) what are you trying to install?
22:15<NTU>for example, if is in a neo folder, type in "cd neo" without quotes.
22:15<bitches>abrotman: 1.) no.. 2.)trying to instal a list of packages that a friend sent me
22:16<NTU>abrotman, grow up
22:16<bitches>updates, programs, etc
22:16<abrotman>NTU: stay out of it
22:16<NTU>no. i like his name.
22:16<abrotman>bitches: then ask your friend for help
22:16<abrotman>NTU: stay out of it
22:16<NTU>ok bot
22:16<bitches>This is my default name on all servers, and it is staying that way.
22:16<abrotman>you could be forced to change it
22:16<bitches>take it up with the server. they should filter their nicks better if it is not allowed.
22:16<abrotman>bitches: then take up your software installation with your friend
22:17<NTU>abrotman, very immature
22:17<abrotman>NTU: just as immature as his nick
22:17<NTU>have nothing better to do than boss a person around
22:17<abrotman>his nick could be construed as offensive
22:17<bitches>the ignore feature works wonders abrotman
22:17<bitches>Kthnx bye
22:18<NTU>bitches, your hilarious!
22:18<abrotman>bitches: ask the authors of your software how to install it, this is not related to Debian
22:18<NTU>im ignoring you too. you should be forced to stop being an asshole. not him changing his name.
22:18<abrotman>oh .. maturity!
22:18<bitches>I'm not being funny. It is annoying that someone can't look at a nickname without showing their insecurities
22:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 343] by debhelper
22:19<bitches>Whether it be religion or personal.
22:19-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:19-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by abrotman
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22:19<abrotman>bitches: if you want to discuss it, go to #debian-offtopic
22:20<NTU>bitches, are you kicked?
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22:20<pi_>no he's not
22:20<pi_>but he can't speak any longer
22:20<NTU>how do you get op permissions on irc?
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22:21<enouf>depends on your gender :-P
22:22<NTU>enouf, ?
22:22<abrotman>it was a bad joke
22:22<enouf>yes, funny, but bad
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22:22<NTU>how do i get to kick / mute people?
22:23<abrotman>NTU: worry about your Debian problems
22:23<NTU>certain command?
22:23-!-bitches [styl0@Packet-Kiddies.At.HackersPlanet.Org] has joined #debian
22:23<bitches>back to my conversation
22:24-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:24-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@Packet-Kiddies.At.HackersPlanet.Org] by abrotman
22:24-!-bitches was kicked from #debian by abrotman [bitches]
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22:24<NTU>thats great! coming back.
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22:25<NTU>how do i take off ignore?
22:25<enouf>bitches you will be banned for avoiding/evading op mutes, so just chill out - come back another time - go make a sandwich or something
22:25<abrotman>he's gone already
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22:26<NTU>i want to tell off abrotman so badly right now
22:26<abrotman>NTU: i can see what you're saying you know ...
22:26<enouf>just let it go
22:26<NTU>ok but for refernce, how do i turn off ignore?
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22:27<abrotman>enouf: you're going to have to ask him which client he's using :)
22:27<enouf>can't do it ;-)
22:28<abrotman>NTU: /ignore <person> NONE
22:28<sharki>abrotman: hey, don't know if u remember me, but I've solved all my .deb packaging problems, I think you helped, so thanks!
22:28<abrotman>sharki: all of them ?
22:28-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:28-!-mode/#debian [-bb *!*@Packet-Kiddies.At.HackersPlanet.Org *!*] by abrotman
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22:28<NTU>you made it
22:28<sharki>abrotman: well, not _all_ but most :)
22:29<abrotman>sharki: good deal
22:29<enouf>sharki: close enough for gub'ment work :-)
22:29<NTU>how did he change his irc's IP address??
22:29<abrotman>sharki: were these your own personal packages?
22:29<abrotman>NTU: try #debian-offtopic
22:29<sharki>abrotman: if you're curious, my biggest problem was trying to build source packages, while all I really needed was a "binary" package, which is really simple to make
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22:30<abrotman>sharki: but you have your diff and dsc stuff sorted out ?
22:30-!-b1tches is now known as GrowTheHellUp
22:31<GrowTheHellUp>NTU: a znc
22:31-!-NTU is now known as I_agree
22:31<abrotman>!tell I_agree about ot
22:31<GrowTheHellUp>abrotman: i could care less
22:31<GrowTheHellUp>now fuck off
22:31<GrowTheHellUp>fucking pansy
22:31<enouf>sigh ...
22:31<I_agree>oh jeeze. abrotman. sending me ots
22:31<GrowTheHellUp>This conversation is DONE
22:31<sharki>abrotman: I must confess I do not, I just figured out how to make a proper directory for 'dpkg --build', and that's it
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22:32<abrotman>sharki: ah okay .. as long as it works
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22:32<NTU>why did you kick him?
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22:32<NTU>your just making him more mad. you think that'll solve it? by kicking him?
22:33<stew>NTU: drop it
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22:34<GrowTheHellUp>this is ridiculous
22:34<GrowTheHellUp>I came here for education
22:34-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:34<GrowTheHellUp>not arguements
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22:35<sharki>abrotman: I know this has nothing to do with debian whatsoever, but do you by chance know of a linux equivalent to something like Nero? for the purpose of building ISOs the lazy drag&drop way?
22:36<vortex>k3b works
22:36*sharki tried brasero but it just doesn't cut it
22:36<abrotman>sharki: i'd imagine brasero or k3b can do it
22:36<Nemoder>sharki: or gnomebaker
22:36<abrotman>maybe gnomebacker
22:36<abrotman>bah ..
22:36<sharki>i'll try k3b, 10x
22:36<enouf>k3b and devede
22:36<enouf>to name two
22:37<sharki>thanks guys, I'll give it a try!
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22:38<sharki>also, if anyone wants to engage in off-topic conversation... "WTF is up with avahi"? why do all new distributions insist on having it, and some even make the world denendent on it?
22:39<sharki>is Jobs paying people to make it an integral part of all linux distros, or am I missing something?
22:39<abrotman>sharki: it's a zeroconf implementation
22:39<enouf>sharki: no idea - some of that is discussed in file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html
22:39<sharki>abrotman: I know exactly what it is, I just don't get the point of running it on a non-mac-osx box
22:40<sharki>enouf: cheers mate, I'm off to rtzm :)
22:40<abrotman>sharki: zeroconf is useful for some stuff
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22:41<enouf>heh, bonjour
22:42<sharki>yeah, bonsuar is more like it... :) anyway, let me read up before asking any more stupid questions...
22:45<sharki>hmmm... just read the wiki page, and all I can say is I'm itching to append "Why NOT to zeroconf" to it...
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22:46<abrotman>you could
22:46<abrotman>probably title it "Arguments against Zeroconf"
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22:48<sharki>honestly speaking I do not see a single reason in that whole wiki page of why would any sane person want (let alone need) to use something like that
22:48<sharki>DNS works, we all know that, that's why we're here
22:48<sharki>DHCP works just as good
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22:48<sharki>so does rpc
22:48<sharki>why invent an apple-based wheel?
22:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 336] by debhelper
22:49<sharki>to make Linux more "user-friendly"?
22:49<abrotman>it's not apple-based
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22:50<NTU>to make linux more user-friendly start out with an AMD processor
22:50<sharki>abrotman: egh... there's no RFC for it, and the only implementation is Apple's Bonjour... which seems to be the standard...
22:51<sharki>avahi implements apple's bonjour, and marries it to dbus, doesn't it? so essentially it is apple based...
22:51<abrotman>and it implements many RFCs
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22:51<sharki>it's like samba kinda
22:51<NTU>samba sucks up bandwidth for me
22:52<sharki>which is great, and very very usefull, but it hasn't been made a requirement for any distribution, unlike avahi
22:52<NTU>sharki, did you block me?
22:53<sharki>NTU: what do you mean?
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22:54<sharki>ntu: [ghost@shadow ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vendor
22:54<sharki>vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
22:54<sharki>r u satisfied? :))
22:54<NTU>ah woah! way over my head
22:55<NTU>i dunno much about debian. i cant answer any support ?s
22:55<NTU>i just hang here
22:56<NTU>i understand all the ins and outs of ubuntu
22:56<NTU>and im a wine dev. i can answer everything about ubuntu and wine. thats it
22:57<sharki>hmm.. I'm not exactly a debian expert either, I actually come here to ask questions
22:57<sharki>in fact I got yelled at for saying "ubuntu = debian", and for a good reason, I was wrong... :)
22:57<sharki>NTU: wine developer? u r? wow, my hat's off!
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22:58<sharki>I've read Steven's books cover to cover, but MFC is a complete mystery to me
22:58<NTU>yeah for about 6 months i've been doing stuff with wine. im part of the DRE team
23:00<NTU>debain is way different than ubuntu. ubuntu is the noob version of debian. debian works better for the more experianced linux users
23:01<sharki>that's hard core, if I may say so. The only OpenSource development I contributed to were a few minor patches in FreeBSD firewall, nothing major
23:01<NTU>abrotman is going to say in about a sec. exclampation mark ot
23:02<NTU>and is going to yell at the two of us for talking off topic
23:02<abrotman>NTU: you still have me on ignore!
23:02<sharki>well, I always used RH, then Fedora, but three month ago I started a new Job, and they're all on Ubuntu, so I had to learn a few things... Then I got tasked with building debian packages, so that's why I'm here
23:02<sharki>I never actually tried pure debian
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23:03<NTU>if you looked me up on google and typed in Neo_The_User pastebin, you would find that im an ex PSP developer and current ps3 developer. playstation stuff.
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23:04<NTU>this channel is dead anyway. might as well get off topuc
23:04<sharki>seems like this here irc server has /who and /whois disabled
23:04<element>freenode ftw
23:04<abrotman>sharki: no it doesn't
23:05<sharki>it could be my lame client
23:05<NTU>freenode is the only good irc server
23:05<NTU>QuakeNet is just short of freenode
23:05<sharki>xchat is what I installed... can't find my ircii source...
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23:05<NTU>im using irssi. no gui installed
23:06<NTU>i feel like vomiting looking at text. im installing kde tomorrow
23:06*sharki doesn't see the connection
23:06<NTU>i cant stand command line anymore
23:06<NTU>way too ugly
23:07<sharki>that's a strange statement coming from a developer...
23:07<NTU>i used gedit (ubuntu) to do all my developing on. ;)
23:08*sharki not bying it anymore
23:08<NTU>i've had this for a month dude
23:08<sharki>if u said emacs, or vi I'd buy it, but not gedit...
23:10<NTU>i dont really have a programming ego so... im not going to argue with you if thats what your looking for. im not like the coreboot developers.
23:10*sharki has a feeling he needs to be a good sport :)
23:10<NTU>no. your nice compared to the others
23:11<NTU>your not like Stephan (coreboot developer) i tried getting involved with coreboot. bit too complicated. i dont understand hardware.
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23:11<sharki>well, I first logged in to IRC in 1994, or maybe even 3, not sure exactly...
23:12<NTU>and what happened?
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23:13<zakame>never logged out since?
23:13<NTU>sharki, im confused
23:13<sharki>u mean my irc habits? well, I kicked it on #russian@efnet, then undernet, then I quit using IRC alltogether, and now I log in sometimes to ask questions or when I'm really drunk
23:13<NTU>im drunk right now
23:13<sharki>same here, cheers!
23:13*abrotman points sharki and NTU at #debian-offtopic
23:14<NTU>trying to prevent my cable modem from getting reflashed by comcast every minute
23:14<vinicius>what happens if I compile a source package... and after this I install the binary package of the same package, and then uninstall the binary? uninstall the binary? will the software remain normally?
23:14<NTU>losing my mind so i drank
23:15<NTU>vinicius, if this were ubuntu, i could answer that
23:15<abrotman>vinicius: compile a debian source package? or just a regular source ?
23:15<sharki>oh man... I have to click on a channel in Xchat??? hehehe
23:15<zakame>vinicius: you mean the source will remain? if so, yes
23:15<vinicius>im on sid
23:15<vinicius>zakame, thanks...
23:15<NTU>sharki, what GUI are you using right now?
23:16<abrotman>assuming you install the source in a different directory than the binary package would use
23:16<vinicius>abrotman, the regular source
23:16<sharki>ntu - abrotman is right, /j #debian-offtopic
23:16*sharki there already
23:16<vinicius>zakame, so how can i uninstall a compiled package?
23:16<zakame>dpkg --remove ?
23:16<dpkg>zakame: wish i knew
23:16<zakame>lol dpkg
23:17<abrotman>zakame: i think he means ./configure;make;make install .. vs a debian package
23:17<vinicius>abrotman, yes thats it
23:17<zakame>abrotman: ah, if so usuall a make uninstall will do too
23:17<zakame>_if_ there is an uninstall target for that source's makefile
23:17<vinicius>zakame, im talking about not "uninstalable" packages
23:19<vinicius>oops... "uninstalable" packages.. hehe... if you know what i mean
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23:21<zakame>many well-behaved sources compile and install binaries into /usr/local, so in case that source's make targets don't have unintstall, you can just find the binary and its other installed stuff in /usr/local and delete them
23:23<vinicius>zakame, slackware used to have a tool that track the location where this files go... and then is able to remove it...
23:23<vinicius>zakame, i heard something like that once
23:25<zakame>something like GNU stow (and other stow-alikes) come to mind
23:25<vinicius>zakame, never used something like this
23:25<vinicius>im worried cause i will install a buggy package here
23:25<zakame>you can compile a source program, and install it via stow
23:25<vinicius>the deb package provided is really buggy.. so i expect the compilation to solve some major problems
23:26<zakame>so you're rebuilding a debian binary package from its source package?
23:27<vinicius>not actually.... what can be the best way of doing it?
23:27<vinicius>i think this is happening mainly because of my AMD64 arch
23:27<zakame>what's the program you're building?
23:27<vinicius>its cairo-dock
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23:28<vinicius>you know that?
23:29-!-panagos [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:29<zakame>no, and apparently packages.d.o doesn't either
23:29<zakame>I suppose you were following ?
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23:29<zakame>err following it loosely ;)
23:30<vinicius>zakame, no...
23:31<vinicius>zakame, i just downloaded the packages at berlios
23:31<zakame>you can try following the `with the deb package (stable)' section there
23:32<vinicius>maybe trying and older version...
23:32<zakame>but remove the --prefix=/usr flag on the ./configure invocation
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23:33<vinicius>ill give it try building debs... :)
23:33<vinicius>*it a
23:36<zakame>lol 2.6.28-rc1 tagged already, whew1
23:37<vinicius>zakame, thanks by now...
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23:41-!-stew changed the topic of #debian to: 4.0r5 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | FAQ: | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people
23:41<@stew>diff: s/4.0r4/4.0r5/
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23:50<vinicius>zakame, you know checkinstall ?
23:50<vinicius>zakame, i guess this is the one i heard
23:54<zakame>yep I have a vague memory of it
23:56<vinicius>zakame, lets see how it goes :)
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23:59<vinicius>zakame, impressive
23:59<vinicius>zakame, works like a charm
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