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00:32<enouf>astraljava: amphi i thought of that too - but i noticed there's this thing in the pkg called "nmixer" - perhaps read that man page astraljava and see if there's something in it's controls/preferences, or in one of it's config files
00:33<enouf>astraljava: dpkg -L mp3blaster
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00:36<enouf>amphi: seems we have a flounder :-P
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00:38<astraljava>enouf: Check your tab completer. :D
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00:39<enouf>astraljava: i suck !
00:39<astraljava>enouf: Not a problem at all. :)
00:39*enouf blames amphi !
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00:41<ashlarxim>enouf: mind repeating what was said before? i dunno why it said i was still connected. i have no responses in my logfiles. having some trouble with verizon where i am right now i think.
00:42<enouf>ashlarxim: no prob - i pasted it into freenode now :-P
00:42<enouf>ashlarxim: i mistab completed earlier - i thought i was you, it wasn't
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00:45<enouf>s/ i thought it was you, ...
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02:34<mateusz>Morning guys
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02:52<avtobiff>i have a problem with my computer. recently i switched PSU and cpu thermal paste (removing cpu and ram then putting them back). now the computer won't boot debian (all goes well to grub and then kernel panic because it couldn't mount any rootfs). so i have tried DSL (which won't boot) and debian installer (which boots and i am able to mount the disk). but i recently saw that the computer couldn't do anything for long. all kinds of weird
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02:53<avtobiff>like, it can't load the installer disk correctly because of a supposed crc error
02:53<jm_>run memtest
02:53<avtobiff>when i booted in rescue mode and tried to format the external usb-drive mkfs.ext3 crashed
02:53<avtobiff>jm_, can i run that from d-i?
02:53<jm_>avtobiff: yeah I think d-i includes it for a while now
02:53<jm_>let me check
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02:54<avtobiff>i have a lenny beta 2 cd here, and an etch 4.0r1
02:54<avtobiff>i'll try the lenny one
02:54<jm_>hmm it doesn't
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02:57<jm_>I could swear it did in the past
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02:58<jm_>well it should be easy to find memtest cd
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03:00<avtobiff>jm_, yah. i'll try
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03:00<avtobiff>or is that one a really smal file? :)
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03:00<jm_>it's very small, but grml has memtest included if you have it burned already
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03:01<avtobiff>i haven't
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03:02<jm_>I wish grml would update their small and medium images with newer kernel
03:03<jm_>tried building my own, but it failed miserably several times ;)
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03:05<avtobiff>i'll give that memtest-cd a go, it's taking a while to donload grml
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03:06<jm_>you should also recheck how well your RAM modules are sited
03:06<avtobiff>jm_, you mean if they sit tight at the correct places?
03:06<jm_>avtobiff: yup
03:06<avtobiff>i'll do that.
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03:08<jm_>i had similar shit happen here - our computers at work got upgraded and we got 2G of RAM, but since we only have 4 slots and 2 used already, we bought 2x1GB new and someone would use the new modules and someone would use old 4x512 - I got old 4x512, and while the two that I got worked fine in another box, using all four on my box leads to all sorts of hardware problems, so i am stuck with 1GB only :)
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03:13<total>Where is Russian Debian Chanel?
03:14<jm_>!tell total -about ru
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03:16<avtobiff>jm_, but it has worked flawless earlier
03:16<avtobiff>jm_, before the psu and thermal paste upgrade
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03:18<jm_>avtobiff: but why did you remove RAM at all?
03:18<avtobiff>jm_, yes
03:19<avtobiff>they seem to sit fine btw
03:19<avtobiff>and in the right sockets
03:19<jm_>avtobiff: not "did you", "why did you" :)
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03:20<avtobiff>jm_, i don't remember
03:20<avtobiff>maybe i didn't when i think about it
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03:21<avtobiff>maybe i removed the ram so i because of the cpu fan
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03:21<jm_>for me memtest86 didn't detect anything, which is even more annoying
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03:21<jm_>that reminds me, I need to backup my grub.cfg - stupid update-grub silently overwrites your own without making a backup
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03:30<avtobiff>how does memtest work?
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03:31<avtobiff>it lists a lot of read on all kinds of adresses
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03:32<avtobiff>is that the fails? i didn't really get the homepage
03:33<jm_>it has a special window where errors are printed and it also has an error counter, doesn't it?
03:36<jm_>yeah Errors column
03:36<avtobiff>77568 .:(
03:36<avtobiff>and counting :(
03:36<jm_>yeah that looks bad enough, power off and recheck hardware
03:36<avtobiff>remove a dimm or what?
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03:36<jm_>yeah remove them and reinsert them - how many do you have?
03:36<avtobiff>aggressive flood strategy, i just love the enter button :)
03:36<avtobiff>i have two dimms
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03:37<avtobiff>so, should i just remove one ond then test again or should i remove both and then test both?
03:37<jm_>does it work with only one?
03:37<avtobiff>don't know yet
03:37<avtobiff>i'll see :)
03:37<jm_>which platform is it?
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03:42<avtobiff>jm_, amd64x2
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03:42<avtobiff>jm_, seems like it works with just one dimm
03:42<avtobiff>avtobiff, should i wait for "Pass" to get to 100% or how does it work?
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03:46<jm_>avtobiff: yeah, just slower
03:46<jm_>avtobiff: no, you already have errors, there's no point in continuing
03:46<avtobiff>jm_, there are no errors with just one dimm
03:46<jm_>avtobiff: ahh then wait till it gets to 100%
03:46<avtobiff>i didn't catch what you are insinuating :) ah ok, thanks.
03:46<avtobiff>if i change places, would that maybe fix it?
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03:46<avtobiff>or could it be a configuration error somewhere?
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03:47<jm_>it's unlikely you can place them in random slots - it will affect performance since it's a dual channel configuration
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03:48<avtobiff>jm_, yeah, but if i place them the other from how they were placed
03:49<jm_>avtobiff: that's what I described above - you should place it where the manual says first two DIMM-s should go
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03:50<avtobiff>jm_, i have
03:50<avtobiff>jm_, they were
03:50<jm_>avtobiff: right, that's how it should be
03:51<avtobiff>jm_, but if i put the one now out (which was in B1) in A1 and the one now in A1 in B1, could that make a change?
03:51<avtobiff>or should i just conclude that the one out now is borked?
03:52<jm_>avtobiff: ahh in theory it shouldn't, but you should try it
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03:52<avtobiff>jm_, :)
03:53<avtobiff>jm_, but i think that, if i removed them, i put them back in the order they were. then again, maybe not...
03:53<avtobiff>crap, it's good memory. corsair cmx1024-3200c2. or maybe it *was* :/
03:53<jm_>no warranty?
03:54<avtobiff>more than two years old
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03:54<avtobiff>jm_, hmm. lifetime warranty :)
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03:55<jm_>avtobiff: yeah 3 years is pretty low for memory module these days
03:55<Bleupomme>hello. Can I setup the debconf priority level to higher than critical?
03:56<avtobiff>could faulty memory damage some other hardware?
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03:56<avtobiff>otherwise i'll try the outed dimm in another computer
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03:59<avtobiff>jm_, thanks for all the help.
03:59*avtobiff gives a hero hat, :HERO:^:-), to jm_
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04:11<avtobiff>jm_, sems to work better now. no kernel panic.
04:11<jm_>avtobiff: tes it by doing many kernel compiles in a row
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04:14<avtobiff>jm_, shit. it rebooted and i didn't have time to see the error message
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04:16<jm_>avtobiff: really? memtest should never reboot on its own
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04:18<enouf>avtobiff: not overclocking, right?
04:18<thctlo>hi, i have a question about postfix and ldap searches, i cant find on google if this is possible; in my query filer i need something like this. : (&(objectClass=postixGroup)(description=Mail*) the problem is in the last part. i want to filter on "Mail *" i need the result of description = Mail *
04:18<thctlo>is this possible ?
04:19<thctlo>i have multiple groups al start with "Mail XXXX XXXX"
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04:19<avtobiff>enouf, no
04:20<avtobiff>jm_, no. the debian installation on the disk
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04:22<stevem_>Love the Debian.
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04:23<thctlo>hi, i have a question about postfix and ldap searches, i cant find on google if this is possible; in my query filer i need something like this. : (&(objectClass=postixGroup)(description=Mail*) the problem is in the last part. i want to filter on "Mail *" i need the result of description = Mail *
04:23<thctlo>i have multiple groups al start with "Mail XXXX XXXX"
04:23<thctlo>is this possible ?
04:23<jm_>!tell thctlo -about repeat
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04:24<thctlo>jm_ yes i know about repeat.. i saw no action here anymore so i repeated my question, ... i did wait 5 min before repeat.. ;-)
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04:25<jm_>mhash: here's your chance!
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04:26<mhash>I don't really understand the question...
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04:26<thctlo>my question ?
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04:27<avtobiff>seems that the other computer didn't take this memory... c2d has different memory types from amdx2?
04:27<jm_>avtobiff: c2d should use DDR2, amd64 can be ddr if it's old
04:27<enouf>am2 uses ddr2
04:28<jm_>avtobiff: you mean they physically don't fit?
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04:28<thctlo>in short is is possible to define a variable in the query_filter , i have groups with descriptions like "Mail beheer" "Mail somethining" my search need all groups with descriptions starting with Mail
04:28<enouf>avtobiff: is one dimm ECC and the other not?
04:29<avtobiff>enouf, no. both are the some non-ecc dimms
04:29<mhash>thctlo, okay -- so you want all posixGroups which have a description starting with "Mail" to be filtered -- is that correct?
04:29<enouf>socket 939 and s754 take DDR, IINM
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04:30<avtobiff>enouf, so i have ddr memories here then? (socket 939?)
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04:30<enouf>avtobiff: likely
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04:30<thctlo>now, im getting, "Fixed query_filter (description=Mail*) is probably useless"
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04:30<avtobiff>yes, they are ddr. and c2d uses ddr2?
04:31<enouf>so, avtobiff you might want to go through your BIOS setup - are you removing the ATX power whenever replacing/moving any system hardware/components?
04:31<avtobiff>jm_, you recommended to do some kernel compiles to stress test the dimm?
04:31<jm_>avtobiff: yes
04:31<avtobiff>enouf, you mean the power cord from the wall outlet, yes
04:32<enouf>avtobiff: also ensure the DIMMs are seated properly
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04:32<avtobiff>jm_, what should i see if something goes haywire?
04:32<jm_>avtobiff: internal gcc error, sig11
04:32<enouf>well, there's still charge in the capacitors sometimes
04:32<avtobiff>enouf, and set memory something something in bios?
04:32<avtobiff>jm_, ok
04:32<avtobiff>enouf, your point being?
04:32<avtobiff>enouf, that i should remove the atx-power from the mobo?
04:32<enouf>avtobiff: yes, read your manual for correct timings etc
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04:33<enouf>yes - ESD can always be an issue
04:34<koollman>you should wait until the power is really off. (most mobo I know have a little led to show that)
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04:35<enouf>You might even want to load Setup Defaults, sometimes there's Failsafe|Optimized choices - clear any ESCD, but know your BIOS settings prior! so you can go back in and set anything specific needed accordingly
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04:36<enouf>avtobiff: wait, you switched out PSU? i just saw
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04:37<enouf>avtobiff: is the new one ATX 2.1 or better? (2x +12v rails) - how about the old one? Does your mobo have a 20 or 24 pin connector? What does the PSU have?
04:38<avtobiff>koollman, i wait until the led is off
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04:38<avtobiff>enouf, ESCD?
04:38<enouf>avtobiff: also, i presume you have 4 Slots? and how many DIMMs 2? or all 4?
04:39<enouf>Extended System Config Data - should be for ISA config crap - but there are bridges that autoconfig that ...
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04:39<avtobiff>enouf, the new PSU is ATX 2.2 and 2.01 compliant
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04:39<avtobiff>enouf, i have four slots yes, only use two as dual channel
04:39<avtobiff>enouf, correctly connected
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04:40<enouf>so it's not the 4x DIMMs slowing from 400->333 and needs a 2x CommandRate .. no worries then
04:40<enouf>twas a bug until Venice/SanDiego
04:41<jm_>does venice also have that bug?
04:41<enouf>IINM - let me double check
04:42<avtobiff>jm_, how many kernel compiles do you recommend?
04:42<jm_>mine's venice, and I thought maybe that's why it doesn't like 4 modules
04:42<jm_>avtobiff: it failed after one for me, but leave it working overnight
04:42<avtobiff>it is morning here
04:42<jm_>so schedule it later today ;)
04:42<thctlo>here to ;-)
04:43<enouf>jm_: (E3 stepping fixed it)
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04:43<jm_>enouf: thanks, mine's E6
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04:46<jm_>I guess I'll be stuck with 1G for a while then
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04:51<baxter>hey guys, is there anyway to find out what motherboard is in my computer via Ubuntu, save me restarting or opening up my case :D
04:52<jm_>baxter: this is about Debian, Ubtuntu is supported elsewhere
04:52<jm_>Ubuntu even
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04:52<baxter>whoops sorry
04:52<petern>baxter, dmidecode
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04:57<[gloom]>baxter: in a console: sudo dmidecode | more
04:57<[gloom]>baxter: pres return to scroll, You will see: Base Board info.....
04:57<baxter>yeah cheers, i just got it then. kudos to petern
04:57<[gloom]>sorry, dind't see it
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05:09<enouf>lshal | grep smbios ;-)
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05:14<avtobiff>computer or tv program?
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05:23<averule>hi to all,i am getting error for removing msttcorefonts package ..All done, errors in processing 1 file(s)
05:23<averule>dpkg: error while cleaning up:
05:23<averule> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
05:23<averule>Errors were encountered while processing:
05:23<averule> msttcorefonts
05:23<dpkg>averule: i haven't a clue
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05:24<averule>hi to all ,i am getting error as error while cleaning up:
05:24<ali3n0>hi everybody. Any suggestion about choosing a mailing list manager? mailman?
05:24<averule> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
05:24<averule>Errors were encountered while processing:
05:24<averule> msttcorefonts
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05:26<jm_>so find ou twhy postinst is failing
05:26<thctlo>averule, did you try apt-get remove --purge msttcorfonts && apt-get install msttcorefonts
05:26<jm_>also check BTS
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05:26<thctlo>( and --purge = - - purge ) ;-)
05:26<averule>jm_: BTS?
05:27<jm_>!tell averule -about bts
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05:27<thctlo>!tell thctlo -about bts
05:27<thctlo>ah .. ;-)
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05:27<jm_>!tell thctlo -about selftell
05:27<averule>thctlo:i did --purge remove but getting same error
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05:28<averule>thctlo:due to this i am not able to install any new package or remove any package..
05:28<thctlo>ok, 1 sec
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05:30<thctlo>averule, here a dirty hack to fix this. go to /var/lib/dpkg/
05:30<thctlo>averule, before i forget, did you try apt-get -f install
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05:31<averule>thctlo, yes that also i tried ..but same error
05:31<averule>thctlo, what i should do in /var/lib/dpkg/ ?
05:31<thctlo>ok, lets procede, in var/lib/dpkg is a file status , make a backup of this file
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05:31<jm_>no don't do that, find out why postinst breaks
05:31<averule>thctlo, k
05:31<thctlo>then edit status with you favorite editor
05:32<thctlo>search and go to msttcorefonts
05:32<thctlo>you must see "Package: msttcorefonts"
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05:33<averule>thctlo, Status: purge ok half-configured
05:33<thctlo>ok and do you see Installed-Size also
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05:33<averule>thctlo, this is default status
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05:34<thctlo>change "Status: purge ok not-installed"
05:34<averule>thctlo, size is 196
05:34<thctlo>also make sure you remove "Installed-Size.... and everything below, until next Package :
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05:35<thctlo>so you and up with 4 lines
05:35<thctlo>very important
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05:35<thctlo>you need, Package: Status: Priority: Section:
05:35<thctlo>AND Status: purge ok not-installed
05:36<thctlo>bit dirty but works, ;-) you now can install and remove packages again like normal
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05:36<averule>thctlo, s i have deleted
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05:38<thctlo>averule best thing also, clean package tree, maybe there was a corrupted packages in there, apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean
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05:40<averule>thctlo, yes i cleaned.
05:40<thctlo>ok now try agian to install msttcorefonts
05:41<averule>thctlo, better to delete it..else it may create same problem
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05:41<thctlo>well no you know how to fix it. ;-)
05:41<thctlo>well now you know how to fix it. ;-)
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05:46<averule>thctlo, thanks worked..
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05:48<thctlo>i know, you learn this triks when using debian sid... ;-)
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05:50<graine2deb>hi to everybody
05:50<avtobiff>jm_, enouf, it seems as it was enough to set the ddr timings correctly
05:50<jm_>avtobiff: auto doesn't set them correctly?
05:51<avtobiff>hmm. maybe i said hi to early.
05:51<avtobiff>only half of the memory is recognized
05:51<thctlo>then 1 ram modules is defective
05:52<graine2deb>i d like to know how i can set vsftpd version 2.0.7 with apt ?? Apt knows only the 2.0.5 which doens't work with ssl protocol :s
05:52<thctlo>remove 1 and test again.
05:52<avtobiff>no auto didn't set correctly
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05:52<avtobiff>thctlo, i did
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05:52<avtobiff>thctlo, or what do you mean?
05:52<jm_>graine2deb: it certainly works with SSL
05:52<thctlo>you have 2 ram modules, yes, i think 1 ram modules of ram slot is defective
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05:53<thctlo>try different slots and start with 1 ram module.
05:53<avtobiff>thctlo, yes. i already tried removing one of them. then everything worked just peachy
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05:53<peej>I want to play around with fedora, get feel of it. I'm considering running it within xen or virtualbox or qemu on an AMD3000: with 512MB RAM. Recommendations?
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05:53<peej>(on lenny)
05:53<thctlo>are the 2 ram the same brand
05:53<avtobiff>thctlo, yes. same model.
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05:54<thctlo>both work but not together?
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05:54<graine2deb>really ? maybe but i red an article on the web that said it doesn't work. However, i d like to set the nex version, anybody knows how i can do ?
05:54<enouf>thctlo: i think <avtobiff> only half of the memory is recognized <--should be /was/ not /is/
05:54<avtobiff>thctlo, i haven't tried the one i removed by itself
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05:55<avtobiff>i'll try the presumably defective ram module by itself and see how it does...
05:55<thctlo>you need to test in this order, remove both ram modules. put in 1 module and test every ram slot. when done do the same with the other module
05:55*enouf goes back to bed
05:55*peej discovers google
05:56<Skratz0r>Quite a discovery
05:56<thctlo>peej , i would use XEN , check for nice howto
05:56<avtobiff>thctlo, isn't it enough to test the two slots that i actually use?
05:56<avtobiff>one ram module is under the cpu-cooler :(
05:57<thctlo>no you alse need to know if there isn't a defective slot also.
05:57<avtobiff>thctlo, but that i will try with the two slots i have and the two modules i have
05:57<avtobiff>thctlo, i only use two slots. it is only interesting if one of these is defective right?
05:58<thctlo>yes, if all slots work, then mainboard is ok.
05:58<avtobiff>ok, all four slots.
05:58<thctlo>tyep .
05:58<avtobiff>i'll do that.
05:58<peej>thctlo: why, though?
05:58<thctlo>and test with single ram module
05:58<peej>thctlo: why use xen rather than the others, I mean
05:58<enouf>thctlo: Many many motherboards require population in a certain order ONLY
05:59<thctlo>peej, XEN, nog driver problems, all in kernel, default in debian
05:59<enouf>avtobiff: stop
05:59<avtobiff>thctlo, yes
05:59<avtobiff>enouf, ok
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05:59<thctlo>avtobiff what mainboard do you have.
05:59<avtobiff>enouf, so then i should 1) look in the manual and 2) do whatever possible combinations there are
05:59<avtobiff>thctlo, asus a8n32-sli
05:59<enouf>avtobiff: refer to your motherboard manual - now, unless you want to spend on some other DIMMs, forget about the slots that are not to be yet populated
06:00<thctlo>avtobiff, ok, 1 sec
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06:00<avtobiff>if i only use one dimm then i should install to slot B1 only
06:00<avtobiff>although i used A1 just now
06:00<avtobiff>seemed to work just ifne
06:01<enouf>avtobiff: i'm unclear what " <avtobiff> jm_, enouf, it seems as it was enough to set the ddr timings correctly" tells us
06:01<enouf>if anything
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06:01<avtobiff>enouf, maybe nothing
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06:01<avtobiff>enouf, i thought that it worked with both modules setting the correct ddr timings. but only one module got recognized
06:02*enouf lets out a big fart and goes back to bed
06:02<avtobiff>enouf, so i effectively had 2 GB but could only use 1 GB
06:02<enouf>oh - then one DIMM is defective
06:02<avtobiff>BUT, the computer didn't crash. it booted just fine
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06:03<enouf>try DIMM1 in A1 and then only DIMM2 in A1 ... if A1 is to be populated 1st
06:03<avtobiff>do i need to check one module one slot at a time then both, to verify mobo functionality?
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06:03<avtobiff>enouf, o
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06:03<thctlo>thats what i said.
06:03<avtobiff>enouf, ok. then both in both slots and then changed?
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06:03<avtobiff>thctlo, yes
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06:04<enouf>avtobiff: are you sure population goes A1 -> B1 ? or should it be A1->A2 ?
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06:05<enouf>i bet both would work, just one config would be single channel - so coincide your BIOS single/dual settings with population of specific slots - although many Auto detect DUAL when you do it correctly
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06:05<enouf>do all that AFTER you test each DIMM separately
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06:07<enouf>avtobiff: wait - hehe - if you're using a -486 kernel - guess what?
06:07*enouf pats himself on back ...
06:08*enouf lets out another big fart and goes back to bed
06:08*enouf disables avtobiff Bootsplash so he can see POST messages ...
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06:09<avtobiff>enouf, i am using a 686-kernel
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06:09<thctlo>avtobiff why not a amd64 kernel ?
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06:10<enouf>avtobiff: if it was a -486 only 1GB of ram will be seen/used
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06:10<enouf>well ~900M really
06:10<avtobiff>thctlo, nvidia-drivers
06:10<Bolly>anyone partition experts here able to help me convert a raw partition back to ntfs
06:10<avtobiff>enouf, well i got 1011 so (and i am using a 686 kernel)
06:11<thctlo>ah, ok, im using ati here..
06:11<enouf>avtobiff: did all the RAM show on POST? or was it only after kernel booted?
06:11<thctlo>install de bigmem kernel
06:11<avtobiff>enouf, no. all ram didn't show on post
06:11<avtobiff>all 686 kernels have bigmem now iirc
06:11<thctlo>ok, didnt know that..
06:12<enouf>avtobiff: ok, i suspect BIOS issue or Bad DIMM - might also think about a BIOS upgrade - IF both DIMMs work separately within A1
06:12<enouf>avtobiff: no
06:12<enouf>-bigmem == CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G + PAE
06:13<enouf>all 686 are SMP aware
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06:13<thctlo>good to know, thanx enouf
06:13<avtobiff>it didn't show anything when one module was in B1 (as it said in manual if only 1 module is used)
06:14<enouf>np - /msg dpkg bigmem
06:14<avtobiff>no post no beeps no nothing
06:14<avtobiff>could it be a typo?
06:14<avtobiff>should it be A1 instead of B1?
06:14<avtobiff>(it worked then...)
06:14<enouf>avtobiff: Sooo .. if only 1 DIMM is to be used then B1 should be populated 1st?
06:14<thctlo>just ty avtobiff
06:14<avtobiff>i did
06:14<avtobiff>didn't find any errata
06:14<thctlo>asus support is offline.
06:14<enouf>grab the PDF and see other sites
06:15<enouf>asus site SUCKS ASS
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06:15<avtobiff>the pdf says b1 also
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06:15<enouf>i probably actually hav that pdf here somewhere on my HDD, but i'm too lazy to find it and read it - es no my yob
06:16<enouf>avtobiff: you know enough now - figure it out
06:16<thctlo>avtobiff, test your dimms as i said, 1 dimm at a time and test all 4 slots, when all test are ok every test should report 1Gb. then test with 2 dimms first the blue slots, then the black slots. , set your bios to normal "auto " settings first.
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06:17<enouf>i asked about your new PSU plugs which you never answered
06:17<thctlo>if the first test where ok, then its i bios issue
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06:17<thctlo>, then set you dimm timings manual in your bios.
06:18<thctlo>this is the best way to analyse where your problem is comming from
06:19<thctlo>( and im having more then 20 years of experiance with these things )
06:19<petemc>depending on how you value your time, it could be cheaper to buy new ram
06:19<thctlo>... . ... yeah im old ;-)
06:19<enouf>without the square 4 pin - (2x+12v + 2x GND) plugged in your CPU likely wouldn't even boot up .. but who knows .. now then, you have the extra 4 of the 20+4 Power connector also, then you might have bent some CPU pins when removing and scraping off old ThermalPaste .. or when Reseating the CPU into it's Sockey
06:20<thctlo>petemc, yeah, when your a company it is cheaper to buy new, but when not you want to save money and spend time
06:20<avtobiff>enouf, i was really careful
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06:20<avtobiff>enouf, and didn't use any force and the cpu just slid into the socket. so i don't think that is the case
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06:21<avtobiff>enouf, i have the extra 4 pin connected to the motherboard yes
06:21<avtobiff>enouf, i also have the 24 pin connected to the mobo
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06:22<enouf>which one? there's the 4 of the 20+4 , then there 's the square one i mentioned that's the CPU voltage regulator
06:22<avtobiff>enouf, yes both
06:22<enouf>Did your old PSU have a 20 pin connector? or a 24 pin one?
06:22<avtobiff>enouf, 24
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06:24<thctlo>avtobiff tell me what is the problem now, i was to late on the list to see your question .
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06:29<thctlo>he enouf, waht was the exact problem of avtobiff ?
06:29<jm_>box started crashing after he changed PSU
06:30<enouf>no idea - i came late too .. he was here like an hour before i showed up - but he also already had gotten good help prior to me
06:30<enouf>he also replaced the thermal paste on his CPU and either replaced the Cooler/HSF or used a new one
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06:31<thctlo>and system is booting, into linux and then its crashing ??
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06:32<enouf>sorry mates - gotta run
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06:32<thctlo>ok later.
06:32<avtobiff>thctlo, yes.
06:32<thctlo>ok system IS booting into linux and then crashing.
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06:33<avtobiff>thctlo, the problem was that i changed psu and thermal paste on my cpu, then the box got kernel panic (couldn't mount rootfs).
06:33<thctlo>how much ram did you bios post report.
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06:33<thctlo>AH !! couldnt mount rootfs... did you change you HDD cable to a other connector
06:34<thctlo>so no hardware problems
06:34<avtobiff>thctlo, then i tried DSL (wouldn't boot said init was respawning to fast) and debian-installer (booted but then died, complained about discs not being good)
06:34<jm_>no he has hardware problem - the box is rebooting/crashing etc.
06:34<avtobiff>yes i remembered the cable
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06:34<jm_>memtest rporting errors
06:35<avtobiff>i managed to mount the disk correctly within d-i but when i tried to backup the drive to an external usb drive it crashed
06:35<thctlo>so hdd is on same cable and on old connector, can you try to boot into a old kernel
06:35<avtobiff>and then when trying to do mkfs.ext3 on the external drive it crashed
06:35<avtobiff>thctlo, already tried
06:35<avtobiff>thctlo, same relust. kernel panic
06:35<thctlo>with message couldnt mount roorfs ?
06:36<thctlo>ok can you try boot with debian cd
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06:36<avtobiff>then i ran memtest, post reported 2 GB ram, memtest found 88k+ errors then i stopped. removed one dimm and ran memtest on the one left, no errors
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06:37<thctlo>ok you found 1 defective ram, good, leave out.
06:37<avtobiff>i have only come halfway through the testing of all dimms in all sockets but so far tests show that the one i think is borked is borked
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06:38<thctlo>ok then, stop testing and leave only the working dimm in and try booting, but i think i wont boot . and you get the message "kernel panic (couldn't mount rootfs)."
06:38<avtobiff>it boots with the working dimm just fine
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06:38<avtobiff>i compiled the kernel (only once though) just fine also
06:39<thctlo>then your a lucky man.
06:39<jm_>avtobiff: I suppose you coul dclaim warrant on the faulty module
06:39<avtobiff>because it is only a borked dimm and not the mobo (or something else)?
06:39<avtobiff>jm_, that is my thought
06:39<jm_>blah stupid typing
06:39<avtobiff>jm_, i just wanted to make sure before sending anything away
06:39<jm_>avtobiff: sure, always a good idea
06:39<avtobiff>jm_, speed typing ;)
06:40<avtobiff>again, thanks a lot for all the help jm_, enouf and thctlo
06:40<thctlo>your welkom
06:40<avtobiff>thctlo, btw. you don't know wether i am a man or not? ;)
06:40<thctlo>no but does that mather
06:40<thctlo>not for me ;-)
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06:41<thctlo>ive seen man and womem in my bussines here ;-) , but we need more women in IT.. ;-)
06:41<avtobiff>thctlo, wise comment
06:42<thctlo>i only know 5 women in it here ( holland )
06:42<avtobiff>my partner works in it, she has one collegue that is female as well.
06:43<thctlo>then he is a luck man ;-))
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06:43<thctlo>but, i need to get out to get some food, it time to eat here...
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06:43*thctlo gone ... hungry ....
06:43<avtobiff>yeah, she has had problems with the male staff. it sucks.
06:43<avtobiff>so she came up with the response to stupidity "as far as you know i only look like a woman"
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06:44<avtobiff>thctlo, we are in the same tz
06:44<thctlo>ah, where you live, me rotterdam
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06:44<thctlo>... break in 1 min...
06:45<jm_>rottendam ;)
06:45<avtobiff>thctlo, gothenburg
06:45<thctlo>ah, sweden
06:45<avtobiff>but i'll go to london to do my master thesis after new years then i'll move to stockholm
06:46<thctlo>i want to go to sweden but my girlfriend want to go with me ;-))))
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06:46<avtobiff>i'll finalize my tests with the dimms here...
06:46<jm_>and you don't want that in a hope that you'll meet some hot swedish blonde?
06:47<avtobiff>it's really cold here now
06:47<thctlo>hope to meet hot swedish blonde, no not hope.. WANT ;-)
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06:47<thctlo>i like the cold.. ;-)
06:47<thctlo>i like wintersports, snowboarding and skiing
06:47<koollman>thctlo: well, she could meet a hot swedish male
06:47<avtobiff>i love snowboarding
06:48<thctlo>i normaly go to france or switserland
06:48<thctlo>i been on winterhholiday for total of 60 week now :D
06:49<thctlo>i normaly go 2-4 times a year.
06:49<avtobiff>i have just gone 3 times in my life
06:49<avtobiff>and one of those was snowboarding
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06:50<thctlo>20 years ago i learn snowboaring, im oldschool...
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06:50<avtobiff>as long as you have been working with computer hardware :)
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06:51<thctlo>but, now im getting some foor, my break has started 5 min, im back in 45 min..
06:51<thctlo>no computers longer ;-) , started when i was 12..
06:52<thctlo>im working with computers for about 24 years now, in profession about 18 years.
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07:19<rpetre>hello, is there a known problem with powell.d.o's ipv6 connectivity? or where can i ask?
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07:24<christoph>Hi. How can i fix the problem, that X(?), gdm(?) (on deb testing) doesn't remeber the display brightness, It always switch to 100% after black screen.
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07:25<enouf>christoph: are you using DPMS in xorg.conf?
07:26<christoph>i will take a look
07:27<enouf>christoph: man xorg.conf, man xset, and tell us; using Binary blob (ati|nvidia) driver or Xorg driver? And are you using a Screensaver? and if a DE, which? Gnome/KDE/XFCE, etc
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07:28<christoph>i can't finde the string in xorg.conf but i enabled the kpowersave option to use DPMS
07:28<enouf>oh, and are you fully suspending (s2disk/s2ram) or hibernating the system and when it wakes up this happens?
07:28<christoph>after s2ram -f it remebers the brightness
07:29<christoph>just after blackscreen its 100%
07:29<enouf>i see - try this christoph under Section Monitor add this; Option "DPMS"
07:29<enouf>on a new line
07:29<christoph>k thanks, i try
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07:30<enouf>christoph: you'll need to restart your DE, /etc/init.d/kdm restart should do it
07:30<christoph>be right back
07:31<Bushmills>famous last words
07:31<enouf>(though now i forget if that fully restarts X, just because my X startup scripts are in rcS.d/ IIRC)
07:31<christoph>still here... need to copy a fiele using sshfs... 98%..
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07:31<jm_>you can do that with xset without needing to restart it
07:32<enouf> /etc/rcS.d/S70screen-cleanup /etc/rcS.d/S70x11-common /etc/rcS.d/S70xfree86-common
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07:32<enouf>that's some old X :-p
07:32<enouf>jm_: good to know
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07:33<enouf>jm_: do you know if xrandr nowadays, with newer X in lenny/sid has any DPMS properties one can set from it?
07:33<jm_>enouf: naah, xrandr is not for DPMS
07:33<enouf>(i wouldn't hitnk so)
07:34<enouf>thanks (nice typing eh?)
07:34<christoph>lecture is over.. my be right back takes some more time... thank for advice if i didn't meet you again
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07:41<dpalacio>hello. bye
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07:50<No-Neck>Hey, my Debian server has been crashing about once per day, all I get it a blank screen, no SSH, no ping, rtorrent used to segfault but now it seems to be whole system crashes, I just ran memtest86 for over an hour with no problems, I have rtorrent, lighttpd, mpd, samba and nfs running, I've tried looking at logs but can't seem to find any errors, what should I be looking for next time?
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07:50<enouf>disconnect anything even remotely windows related ;-)
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07:51<No-Neck>I only rarely boot windows on my desktop for gaming, rest of my systems are Debian or Ubuntu
07:51<enouf>if rtorrent segfaulted, start there - check your binary blobs at the door - try using sysrq
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07:53<No-Neck>I'm going to have to google that one heh, cheers
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07:53<enouf>No-Neck: /msg dpkg sysrq
07:54<No-Neck>ah, OK, I take it that may allow the logs to be fully written to?
07:54<enouf>watch application usage, ensure you're not running out of RAM + swap - use top/htop, ps, pstree, vmstat, free, etc
07:54<[gloom]>what does blobs mean?
07:55<enouf>stop using one app (i mean never let it load) for a while and stress the system - compile a kernel - see if it occurs
07:55<dpkg>i guess blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See:
07:55<[gloom]>aha, thanks
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07:55<enouf>No-Neck: what movie are you from? i remember a no-neck ...
07:56<No-Neck>stop using rtorrent for a bit is the answer I suppose
07:56<No-Neck>movie? lol
07:56<No-Neck>I wouldn't know, was a nickname given to me by a friends dad many years ago
07:57<enouf>you wear it proudly ;-)
07:57<No-Neck>well, it can't be RAM usage, the machine in question has 1GB
07:57<enouf>that's nothing nowadays
07:57<peej>wow, enouf, you need to put a page up about all the advice you just gave. Wise stuff.
07:57<enouf>especially if you have a DE going
07:57<No-Neck>true, true, but I have nothing running
07:57<No-Neck>no DE
07:58<enouf>peej: heck, go ahead, make a t-shoot1 factoid or something
07:58<enouf>No-Neck: ps aux | wc -l
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07:59<No-Neck>heh, what was that? o.o - returned 89
07:59<enouf>peej: whatever - short for trouble-shooting
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07:59<enouf>drop the | wc -l
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08:00<nulix>the new world order
08:00<No-Neck>yeah, I've used ps aux before, never the wc -l
08:00<enouf>that's not too many though ...but still - what's free -m say? how much swap do you have? Pastebin that
08:00<enouf>i wonder what your oom settings are ...
08:01<No-Neck>I wonder what oom is
08:01<enouf>using nvidia or ati driver?
08:01<jm_>No-Neck: make sure screen doesn't get blanked and look at messages on console
08:01<nulix>[14:56] [Jeter dehors] You have been kicked from channel #debian-fr by ag- (hors sujet). can't talk about "new world order" ?!
08:02<No-Neck>no driver, I don't have X
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08:02<No-Neck>or is it a generic driver
08:02<No-Neck>no messages jm_
08:02<enouf>cat /proc/cmdline
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08:03<jm_>No-Neck: how do you know there aren't any messages?
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08:04<No-Neck>I don't jm_ the screen goes blank
08:04<jm_>No-Neck: that's what I am telling you - prevent that from happening
08:04<No-Neck>it is frozen
08:05<No-Neck>no ping, no ssh
08:05<jm_>yeah do i tbefore it hangs and then you should have a message on screen next time it happens
08:05<No-Neck>or do you think if I turn off the power saving feature it will freeze with all text still on the screen?
08:05<No-Neck>good idea
08:05<jm_>do keyboard lights blink perhaps?
08:06<jm_>so it doesn't look like kernel panic - which NIC driver are you using?
08:06<No-Neck>they stay the same, and I think, unresponsive
08:06<No-Neck>I do not know (lol)
08:06<jm_>I would also redirect logs to the active tty just in case
08:06<No-Neck>the one which the installer set up
08:06<jm_>run ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver
08:07<Jupp>Hi there, is there a way to make postfix do this: if (send from myNetworks)&&(for local user) then add header tag "X-local2local: Yes" ?
08:07<No-Neck>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2008-11-05 13:07 /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/forcedeth
08:07<jm_>hmm I am not aware of forcedeth locking up systems
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08:08<peej>enouf: I've given dpkg a factoid under "hardware problem" - oh, crap, haven't closed a bracket. Syntax error.
08:08<jm_>No-Neck: so try the no blanking stuff + make sure all kernel messages go to console for now
08:08<peej>dpkg, hardware problem?
08:08<dpkg>well, hardware problem is tackled by considering memtest86, overheating (from thermal paste, fan failure (cpu, main, smps, GPU ), voltage levels (external power, SMPS power), badly seated boards binary blobs, sysrq, disconnecting MS windows related stuff, watching application usage, RAM + swap, using top/htop, ps, pstree, vmstat, free, dmesg, logs, debug levels, stop using one app (never let it load) for a while then stress system (compile a kernel) ...
08:08<No-Neck>oh, interestingly, it is possible that it correlates with a network problem, it seems that while I'm on my desktop and the server crashes, the network also goes down, still not sure if that's a definite correlation though as I'm normally asleep when it crashes
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08:09<jm_>well that would be normal if you need the server for networking
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08:09<No-Neck>no, it's just a file server
08:10<No-Neck>I have a standard router for that
08:10<peej>No-Neck, checked /tmp for fullness?
08:10<No-Neck>no peej
08:10<No-Neck>will do
08:11<peej>No-Neck: any dmesg messages growing very fast may fill up /tmp
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08:12<peej>shorewall, usb debug and dhclient not connecting, for example, do that on a sarge box I have.
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08:13<No-Neck>no, not that
08:13<No-Neck>thanks for the help enouf, jm_ and peej
08:14<drone77>No-Neck: is there any consistency time-wise? (from boot)
08:14<No-Neck>not that I am aware of drone77, I think it's unlikely
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08:19<Andrei>i want to install linux, but there are a lot of distributions, so I don't know what to select
08:19<Ganneff>the one that most of your friends / people in your LUG have
08:19<enouf>peej: heh, not bad ;-) , (if i weren't so busy atm i'd guess i'd pick your brain a little about all that .. but cool)
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08:25<Zeveke_1113>Is anybody here to chat about the Debian Debian GNU/Linux?
08:26<petemc>this is for support of debian rather than chat
08:26<Zeveke_1113>I have just installed it on a virtual machine
08:26<Zeveke_1113>And I was wondering about the commands I can use
08:26<Zeveke_1113>I typed Help as a command
08:26<jm_>!tell Zeveke_1113 -about grounding
08:27<Zeveke_1113>and it took me through to a complex list of commands
08:27<petemc>thats only bash builtin commands, not what you need
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08:36<Golfgeo>Hi all
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08:39<Golfgeo>Spelling and grammer question: How does one abriviate: "abriviated"?
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08:40<petern>assuming you meant abbreviate(d), heh
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08:42<Golfgeo>Yep :-) e = i in speach in Dutch...
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08:44<Golfgeo>Got an other one: Does one say one is an entitled engineer or a titled engineer
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08:44<Golfgeo>Relating to my cv and a protected right to style oneself engineer <<full name>>
08:44<enouf>Sewer Engineer == Ed Norton :-P
08:45<Golfgeo>One moment...
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08:45<Golfgeo>*Relating to my cv and a protected (by law) right to style oneself "engineer <<full name>>"
08:46<petemc>surely you would just append your degree to your title
08:46<Golfgeo>I'm Dutch mate :-P
08:46<peej>golfgeo: say something like: titled engineer (equivalent to British XXX degree), (or use the europass cv format)
08:46<petemc>Golfgeo: and?
08:46<blal>no i think he wants to be "Engineer Golfgeo" like in Star Trek.
08:46<Golfgeo>Here the old style is a prefix...
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08:47<petemc>so why are you asking here if you're just going to use your 'old' style anyway?
08:47*blal afk
08:47<Golfgeo>the situation is that I may use: or the old style or the new style (after name), but not both...
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08:48<peej>more to the point, it's off-topic
08:48<Golfgeo>I'm finisching up my degree and there for updating my CV...
08:48<Golfgeo>peej, I know, but help is appriciated
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08:50<Golfgeo>So I would rather see the old style on my cv so all is clear... "B-ICT" just sounds so silly you see...
08:51<Golfgeo>*aswell on my cv
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08:53<Golfgeo>Current thought is: First line in Dutch: Technische Informatica, ingenieur (ing.) Translated to the second line in English: Computer Science, (entitled) engineer (abbr.: ing.)
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08:56<enouf>try #resume :-)
08:57<peej>Golfgeo: I'd say make it something like Computer Science, (Ing) equivalent to MSc (or appropriate degree for whatever country you're targett-Ing).
08:58<Golfgeo>peej and all: Thanks for the help :-)
08:58<peej>a sanitary engineer also has a title, after all.
08:58<Bushmills>Golfgeo: abiword can do that
08:59<peej>somebody needs to kick us off this channel.
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09:00<ranix>just head to #debian-offtopic
09:00<ranix>no need to get kicked
09:00<peej>I can't even /kick myself off
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09:00<peej>Golfgeo, no. Don't say anything else.
09:01<No-Neck>anyone know of the 'nvidia forcedeth issue'?
09:01<dpkg>well, forcedeth is the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher, or ask me about <forcedeth mac>
09:01<jm_>there are (were?) issues with suspend/resume and its MAC address
09:01<Golfgeo>Thanks for the help people, but I am done writing the changes :-)
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09:01<enouf>the MAC thing is when it reassigns MAC on each reboot
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09:02<enouf>or suspend?
09:02<jm_>ohh and that but that has been fixed
09:02<No-Neck>I have read kern.log, the freezing has to be to do with my nvidia NIC
09:02<jm_>No-Neck: which part of kern.log suggests that?
09:02<No-Neck>everything lol
09:02<enouf>No-Neck: uname -r
09:02<jm_>well it would help if you would point out technical stuff
09:03<No-Neck>should I update the kernel?
09:03<jm_>it's worth trying
09:03<Golfgeo>Gtg people. Have fun! :-)
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09:04<peej>hmmm... FHS says don't unpack kernel source into /usr/src/ - lenny still does. Wonder what that's about.
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09:04<No-Neck>this is when the freezing starts: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
09:05<Bushmills>peej: probably meant to not create a directory by that name
09:05<No-Neck>and it will continue to log this forever: eth0: Dumping tx registers
09:05<Bushmills>peej: as install scripts may create a symlink to source
09:06<Bushmills>peej: but that's just guesswork
09:06<jm_>No-Neck: sounds problematic indeed
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09:07<drone77>trying to install lenny on a Dell Latitude CPi using a CD - after the installer gets past detecting CD drive it hangs - dmesg shows hdc: lost interrupt
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09:07<jm_>drone77: hdc is CD?
09:08<drone77>it's one of those laptops with modular battery/floppy/cd drive configurations
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09:08<jm_>any other messages prior to that? such as error= status=?
09:08<enouf>is that a swappable drive bay thing?
09:08<Bushmills>wouldn't a package with a set of scripts, giving apt-get frontend while using aptitude, be better than the advice "don't use apt-get - use aptitude instead"?
09:08<ranix>enouf: yes
09:08<enouf>pcmcia? expresscard?
09:09<enouf>i see
09:09<drone77>enouf: yes
09:09<enouf>any hints maybe with that make/model from /msg dpkg laptop ?
09:09<peej>ah. distorted interpretation. stuff in /usr/src/ can be place there for reference purposes. But don't build there. That's the "best practice" nowadays.
09:10<drone77>jm_: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest}
09:10<enouf> (somethings you might try)
09:10<jm_>drone77: and error= code? maybe it's an issue with reading the drive or you need to disable acpi/apic
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09:11<enouf>hw-detect/start_pcmcia Set to false to prevent starting PCMCIA services, if that causes problems. Some laptops are well known for this misbehavior. ??
09:12<drone77>sorry that was hdc: status error: then the above line also i get ide: failed opconde
09:12<drone77>enouf: ok, i'll have a look there
09:13<enouf>drone77: also, might try various kernel boot params f1-f10 should show some usual ones
09:13<drone77>it decided to 'Just Work' - no idea why
09:14<enouf>heh - jiggle it .. just a little bit .. why don't you wiggle it ..
09:14<drone77>enouf: yep i tried some of those ones earlier, but as i say it appeasr to have fixed itself
09:14<enouf>drone77: it'd be nice to know why - in case others have the issue
09:15<drone77>i'd like to know also
09:15<enouf>heh, messages are on alt-f4
09:16<drone77>scrollback isn't working..
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09:18<enouf>okie doke - buffer is gone - or your keyboard sucks :-P
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09:19<enouf>start fresh! use boot_debug! :-P
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09:21<drone77>hmm well seeing as it did 'Just Work' maybe it will for other users =]
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09:22<bastiaan>someone knows a ipv6 enabled ftp cli client for debian stable?
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09:23<jm_>bastiaan: yes
09:23<bastiaan>I'm using now: /usr/bin/netkit-ftp
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09:23<bastiaan>that one doesn't seem to understand ipv6
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09:24<bastiaan>$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/netkit-ftp
09:24<bastiaan>ftp: /usr/bin/netkit-ftp
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09:25<rpetre>heh, ipv6. i'll restate my question: i have trouble reaching (holding packages.d.o) on ipv6, is this a known problem?
09:26<bastiaan>bastiaan@sh:~$ ping6
09:26<bastiaan>PING 56 data bytes
09:26<bastiaan>--- ping statistics ---
09:26<bastiaan>6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5000ms
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09:26<jm_>even apt would find it for you if you searched
09:26<blarson>!tell bastiaan about paste
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09:28<fgh>!tell blarson about paste
09:28<bastiaan>searching for 'ftp' won't help a lot
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09:29<bastiaan>hmm prolly lftp..
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09:30<bastiaan>weird program that is
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09:33<rpetre>bastiaan: oh, must be a bytemark issue then, sorry
09:35<bastiaan>bytemark issue?
09:35<rpetre>my isp
09:36<rpetre>sorry once again
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09:53<sadneophyte>hi I just installed a fresh etch fork (eeepc). I used apt-get purge several times, and apt-get has aquired a long list of programs it thinks I don't need. It tells me to run apt-get autoremove to get rid of these packages. How do I reset this list (there are many programs in this list, which I would like to keep, and with which I do not want to be spammed every time I install a package).
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09:53<sadneophyte>thanks in advance
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09:55<alvarezp>People, I don't know where to ask. If you could point me to some channel: how can I close a socket on Linux without killing the parent process?
09:56<Bushmills>sadneophyte: install those programs explicitely (so they are not considered autoinstalled)
09:56<padski_>sadneophyte, apt-get install foo will do it
09:56<padski_>sadneophyte, where foo is the program
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09:57<sadneophyte>sweet i will try that
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10:01<sadneophyte><padski_> it worked thanks <Bushmills>
10:01<sadneophyte>debian has this wonderful way of making me feel really inadequate
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10:04<padski_>sadneophyte, if you have made it this far, you are already elite ;-)
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10:04<Bushmills>padski_: is that debian, the distribution, or #debian, the irc channel?
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10:05<drone77>sadneophyte: the one from the eeepc wiki? (that's lenny if i'm not mistaken)
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10:05<padski_>Bushmills, that is "being alive, the latest in a 4 million year unbroken chain of survivors" :-)
10:05<sadneophyte>drone77 I think you are right... it is lenny... maybe,
10:06<sadneophyte>dude the last debian i used full time was sarge... all these names make me confused...
10:06<Bushmills>padski_: yeah, was also already wondering, sitting here on a speck of dust, lost in the extense of the cosmos, and one needs debian to feel inadequate, hehe
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10:09<drone77>sadneophyte: I just keep a copy of Toy Story at hand
10:11<padski_>Bushmills, reminds me of the old BBC game, Elite
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10:13<padski_>I could never figure out how they got a whole universe into 32K
10:13<Bushmills>padski_: oolite, as linux lookalike
10:14<padski_>Bushmills, and that will run on gnustep yes ?
10:14<padski_>must have a go on that :-)
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10:15<padski_>Bushmills, thanks :-)
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10:16<Bushmills>now it is time to feel insignificant
10:17<padski_>15:15 UTC ?
10:18<petemc>15:18 < padski_> 15:15 UTC
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10:21<sadneophyte>I have a question about the latest implementations of the file etc/X11/xorg.conf... like in this debian, and on a new ubuntu OS the xorg no longer has any real settings at startup... so monitor default monitor graphics card default graphics card... where has the old information been exported to?
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10:21<padski_>if 1.5 is 2 rounded to the nearest, then 2+2 might be as little as 3 yes ? but 1+1+1+1 could then be as little as 2 ? my clock is out one minute, I chose to report time 15:16 when I could see time that was going to be 15:17 by the time I pressed enter, and in fact I typoed.
10:21<valdyn>sadneophyte: its not, its autodetected
10:21<valdyn>sadneophyte: no?
10:22<valdyn>sadneophyte: X always did this access hardware directly, thats not really new
10:22<sadneophyte>valdyn, so I can edit this file just like the old xorg.conf and put in the drivers I would like X to use?
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10:22<valdyn>sadneophyte: sure
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10:22<sadneophyte>cool, thanks valdyn
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10:29<sadneophyte><valdyn> so the xorg.conf overrides X s choice for drivers? is X loading hardware modules for the automagic configuration, or is it first choosing from the preloaded modules? wow.. xorg.conf made obsolete.
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10:30<enouf>yeah - if you want custom, make xorg.conf custom
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10:34<sadneophyte><enouf> lol, it seems to be working well... more like if I need, or had to... I sort of didn't before, because I couldn't figure out for the life of me, where the new xorg settings were being hid
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10:39<enouf>sadneophyte: man xorg.conf :-P
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10:40<enouf>i think you can even now do things with xrandr too ;-)
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10:54<karnov>hello all, i have some trouble with a library :, i can find 3 different release on my system and each one is needed by different application
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10:54<karnov>but if i refer the directory of each application in
10:55<karnov>it fail with a seg fault on another
10:55<karnov>do you have an idea for specifiyng a release to an app
10:55<Skratz0r>Anyone here use QEMU and Windows XP?
10:56<Skratz0r>Anyone here use QEMU with* Windows XP?
10:56<karnov>yes i do
10:56<karnov>kqemu ... and revoltos
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10:57<karnov>Skratz0r, what's the matter ?
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10:58<Skratz0r>karnov: it's slow
10:58<Skratz0r>PPC 1.42GHZ running Windows XP, the install has taken 4 hours so far.
10:58<Skratz0r>Running/emulating. You get the idea
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10:59<karnov>take a look on kqemu
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11:00<karnov>Anyone have an idea about my cohabitation of library ?
11:00<Skratz0r>karnov: I'm using PPC
11:00<Skratz0r>No KQemu for me
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11:01<karnov>ah ... yes Skratz0r
11:01<karnov>sorry on PPC archi i'm less than a newb
11:01<Skratz0r>Ah well
11:02<Skratz0r>I've reniced it to -20 and given it 500MB of my RAM, there's little else I can do, lol...
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11:05<Skratz0r>Any way I can pause the emulation? I don't think CTRL+C is exactly a safe thing to do during an installation
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11:05<erKURITA>is it an installation in a virtual machine?
11:06<erKURITA>then, unless you've got important data on the VM, you can ctrl+c it.
11:06<erKURITA>in case it breaks apart, delete the VM and make another
11:06<Skratz0r>It took 4 hours to install so far
11:06<Skratz0r>I don't really want to do it again. xP
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11:06<erKURITA>what are you installing (on) ?
11:06<Skratz0r>7GB disk image
11:07<erKURITA>of what
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11:07<Skratz0r>Just a blank image
11:07<Skratz0r>qemu-img -f raw
11:07<erKURITA>and what are you installing ?
11:07<Skratz0r>Windows XP Pro
11:08<Skratz0r>inb4 ban
11:08<erKURITA>4 hours to install ? what kind of PPC is it, an old iBook ?
11:08<erKURITA>that's non-sense
11:08<Skratz0r>iBook G4
11:08<Skratz0r>~2 years old, not ancient
11:09<Skratz0r>Perhaps I should look into Windows NT, or some older version... Perhaps it'd be faster?
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11:10<Skratz0r>erKURITA: Advice?
11:10<erKURITA>scrap the image file and try to get some more resources on it (maybe nice it a bit?)
11:11<Skratz0r>I did, -20
11:11<Skratz0r>Scrap it?
11:11<Skratz0r>Why exactly?
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11:13<erKURITA>Skratz0r first, because I believe 7 GB for a Win XP testbed is what I'd call overkill.
11:13<Skratz0r>I thought It wanted at least 5
11:13<erKURITA>second because the larger the image is, the slower Qemu runs
11:14<erKURITA>it requires 3 at least
11:14<erKURITA>maybe less
11:14<Skratz0r>That would be a good explanation
11:14<Skratz0r>I'll halve the size, then!
11:14<Skratz0r>Thanks for the tip, I didn't know the disk image size would affect the running speed...
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11:15<Skratz0r>mmk, 3G
11:15<Skratz0r>renice to -20, and i'll keep you posted. :P
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11:22<gabriel> #BRCorp linux~
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11:49<deco>how can I find a text within a file?, for example a function within many scripts
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11:50<deco>grep, args?? some command!
11:50<sphenxes>the screen resolution every few days to a very low resolution, fonts are very large? how can i rest to my usual resolution (only solution is reboot)? any suggestion?
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11:51<Bushmills>sphenxes: xvidtune -next
11:52<sphenxes>Bushmills, thanks
11:53<Bushmills>sphenxes: or xrandr --mode <yourmode>
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11:54<deco>find "." -type f | xargs grep "stream"
11:54<themill>dpkg: tell sphenxes about multiple ask
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11:56<the-me>deco, find . -type -f -name *stream*
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11:58<deco>what does mean . ?
11:58<deco>many scrips
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12:01<deco>ok . is the current path!
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12:04<stew>deco: it is also shorthand for "source" (type "help ." in bash)
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12:10<themill>!wayttd deco
12:10<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, deco?
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12:12<doner>hello!) I need some help. How close X server with hot keys? CTRL-C don't work..
12:12<koollman>doner: ctrl-alt-backspace ?
12:13<deco>find a function in many scripts
12:13<doner>koollman thnx, now I try it)
12:14<doner>koollman, yeah thank you!)
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12:14<rogwei>install 4.0r5 usb stick lenovo r60 laptop
12:14<rogwei>no ethernet card was detected
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12:15<deco>or the same caracters that may be in others scripts
12:15<themill>deco: are you, perhaps, looking for "grep -r functioname /path"?
12:15<rogwei>Broadcom NetXtreme/NetLink Fast/Gigabit Etherne
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12:15<deco>and this no work
12:15<deco>find "." -type f | xargs grep "cadena"
12:16<rogwei>anyone know which driver to select? i tried tg3, but did not work
12:16<deco>find "." -type f | xargs grep "stream or any char, etc"
12:16<themill>deco: that looks for "cadena" in the list of file names, not in the contents of the files. You want "grep -r candena ."
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12:17<themill>errr... no it doesn't... but whatever.... grep -r is better for that.
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12:24<rogwei>can i ask that another way?
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12:24<koollman>rogwei: don't ask to ask, just ask
12:25<amphi>rogwei: the ethernet driver should be e1000 or e1000e, I would think
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12:25<rogwei>how come when i install from cd, the debian installer detects ethernet and configures dhcp, but when i run debian installer from usb, no detectee
12:25<rogwei>same machine
12:26<rogwei>i have 40r5 installed on this laptop
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12:26<deco>themill, in the contents
12:26<koollman>rogwei: different installer version ?
12:26<amphi>rogwei: oh, no, it seems it could also have a broadcom NIC
12:26<rogwei>am adding another hard drive so had to get rid of cd
12:26<rogwei>hence usb
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12:26<amphi>rogwei: may be of use
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12:28<rogwei>as i said b/f i tried tg3, and bcm5700 is not in the list
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12:29<rogwei>amphi: thx for that just checked it and it confirmed the tg3 choice
12:29<rogwei>but it does not work
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12:29<amphi>rogwei: sorry, missed that - what error do you get when you try tg3?
12:29<Supaplex>does iptables not redirect well to the lo interface? I guess I'll retry on a trusted interface. (using -DNAT into an ssh tunnel)
12:30<letheaa>okay, how do i get my broadcom BCM43 wireless lan working?
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12:30<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26.
12:31<rogwei>amphi: it sends be back to network detect step, asks for pcmcia resource range options which i ignore, and then back to no ethernet card detected screen
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12:32<rogwei>loop city
12:32<neuton>hello anyone home? :)
12:33<metalqga>cd /home
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12:33<rogwei>now that i have the usb stick booting ok
12:33<rogwei>i might go back to tyring an iso image
12:33<Bushmills>neuton: define "home"
12:33<rogwei>im trying all net right now
12:34<rogwei>perhaps iso image has better installer?
12:34<neuton>I used the synaptic to install shorewall, but I have no link to it till I can configure it...does anyone know the command I need to run to configure it to run it?
12:34<rogwei>or am i missing something?
12:34<neuton>lol I ment was anyone in chat hehe
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12:35<rogwei>or i guess the installer is in the ram disk image?
12:36<rogwei>maybe different initrd?
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12:37<neuton>so does anyone know what command I need to use to start shorewall so I can configure it to run?
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12:40<rogwei>just rebooted laptop with 40r5 on the hd, and it loaded tg3, so that is def the driver
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12:41<Jinx>The system seems great,.. I just have one Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libatk1.0-0
12:42<Jinx>flash.DEB exited w/ that
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12:44<themill>Jinx: where tf is flash.DEB from?
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12:44<Jinx>flash site
12:44<Jinx>, it is version10
12:45<Jinx>should I try the package manager for an older copy?
12:45<themill>dpkg: tell Jinx about adobe flash
12:45<themill>Jinx: yes, stick to the debian packages where possible
12:46<Jinx>lol Artifician Itellagance? already?
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12:47<Jinx>I heard MIT got some AI going it might be on
12:47<themill>dpkg ai
12:47<dpkg>well, ai is stupid
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12:48<metalqga>jinx download the tar package and untar it in your browser's plugins dir
12:48<themill>no no no... just stick with the debian packages...
12:49<tetrimino>a month ago i installed nvidia-drivers on debian with something like "sgfxi" can anyone help me out? can't remember what the i did - but i didn't have to do any hard work :D
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12:50<themill>ati drivers with fglrx?
12:50<Jinx>the gpl flash is installed but not registering on the site w/ flash
12:50*themill takes a wild stab in the dark
12:50<deco>themill, thanks it work
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12:52<Jinx>perhaps I will do w/ out it thank you, Is there anything a guiee can do to help Debian?
12:53<tetrimino>a month ago i installed nvidia-drivers on debian with something like "sgfxi" can anyone help me out? can't remember what the i did - but i didn't have to do any hard work :D
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12:55<ranix>ATI proprietary drivers crash with a 32 bit depth buffer
12:55*ranix wtfs all over the place
12:55<adb>tetrimino: google "sgfxi"
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12:56<tetrimino>adb i tried but couldn't seem to find it - so maybe some of you new they way?
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12:57<tetrimino>adb thank you very much
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13:37<Jinx>what is dpkg doing on IRC? mega log?
13:37<amphi>dpkg: what are you?
13:37<dpkg>I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot>
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13:41<Jinx>please if you using gnome "free the fish" {run} w/ out quotes
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14:13<aFlag>what should I use for video editing?
14:13<aFlag>I need just simple stuff
14:13<aFlag>like speeding up the vidoe
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14:27<melodie>can someone help me to fix an old SiS chipset under Xorg(debian testing). I load the package xorg-video-sis but when I restart GDM I get this error : Framebuffer bpp 32 not supported for this chipset / kernel 2.6.26-1 / xserver 1.7.3+18 / VGA SiS 86C326 5598/6326 (rev 0b)
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14:35<yusuo>need some help changing the default monitor in intrepid, can anyone help
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14:35<yusuo>hi need some help changing the default monitor in intrepid, can anyone help
14:38<letheaa>hmm, can any one help me with installing wicd?
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14:41<ansgar>!tell yusuo -about ubuntu
14:42<melodie>what's the xorg driver under testing for sis 86C386 5598/6326 integrated video card ?
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14:54<chealer>melodie: the sis video driver
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15:05<tonino>a l'huile!
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15:06<tonino>c cool ici!
15:06<tonino>en fait ca sert a quoi?
15:06<ranix>!I don't even know what language that is
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15:07<brandon>Your guess is as good as mine.
15:07<dpkg>i heard fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
15:07<aFlag>it looks french
15:07<brandon>Channel says it's french :D
15:07<Deuido>witam serdecznie
15:07<ranix>raving lunatics and their dead romance languages
15:07<tonino>ok im sorry my friends
15:08<dpkg>rumour has it, pascal is not a language. It was an experiment combining the flexibility of C with that of a drug-crazed penguin. a toy language, or see gpc, or #pascal, or see free pascal
15:08<tonino>i love the english language
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15:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lisp is Let's Include Some Parentheses or a LISt Processor or want to learn lisp? Go to or <lithp> or at, or loads of innovative semantic paradigms Let's Instinctively Slotski Parallel.. Lisp Is Super Powerful, or a speach impediment. Lisp beats the competition, read: Lots of Insidious, ...
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15:08<Deuido>hello everyone
15:09<aFlag>pascal is an alright language
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15:10<tonino>obama is a winner
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15:11<tonino>i love you but you don't love me
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15:20<Bushmills>sounds like the reasons for usa trade deficit. "i buy from you but you don't buy from me"
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15:31<panv>can anybody tell me how to write scripts to run under qcad to automate my drawings ?
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15:31<panv>what i am missing is that i cannot find an interface to use to write scripts... or to run scripts...
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15:43<ebcl>anyone have a moment to debug syntax in /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default ?
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15:45<chalkie>hi guys how are we?
15:45<ebcl>Quiet in here.
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15:46<toomai>hi all
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15:46<chalkie>when you use apt-get install program where is the install location?
15:47<ebcl>depends on the application / deb
15:47<chalkie>its rtorrent
15:47<jackyf>locationS specified in deb
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15:47<ebcl>probably /usr/bin/rtorrent : try "which rtorrent"
15:47<jackyf>chalkie: see dpkg -L rtorrent
15:47<jackyf>after install
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15:52<pat_>can anyone help to set up my nvidia ti4200 properly? It doesn't work good. I can't see the glxgears and my resolutions are all messed up.
15:53<pat_>and when I try to see a youtube video on full screen it crashes
15:53<pat_>I'm using lenny
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15:56<chalkie>is there a command to find a directory?
15:57<ebcl>chalkie, "man find", or "find --help"
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15:57<ebcl>anyone have a moment to debug my evidently flawed syntax in /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default ?
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16:00<Alien|Freak|Work>does debian still have testing, stable, and.. I forget the 3rd branch?
16:00<Torsten_W>and unstable
16:01<Torsten_W>yes, it does
16:01<ebcl>testing, stable, and "i must break you"
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16:01<chalkie>what does it mean when it says: aclocal not found
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16:02<brandon>It means it's not found
16:02<chalkie>well whats aclocal?
16:02<brandon>Was it something you were looking for?
16:03<brandon>Or somewhere in a pathname?
16:03<Alien|Freak|Work>so.. for a server headless box where I want to play with new stuff... probably should be on testing?
16:03<Alien|Freak|Work>nothing for production, just my own toy .. that doesn't break every 10 minutes
16:04<brandon>So... when trying to 'tar xfvz asoundconf-gtk_1.6.orig.tar.gz', I get 'tar: asoundconf-gtk_1.6.orig.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory'
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16:05<brandon>Does the terminal start out in the desktop directory?
16:05<ebcl>brandon, that's because you left out the "-" before xfvz, and the "f" has to come last.
16:06<stew>no, - is completely optional and f doesn't have to come last any more
16:06*brandon is new to linux, and totally can't use the terminal
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16:07<stew>brandon: what are you actually trying to do?
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16:07<brandon>I'm trying to compile a tar.gz file
16:07<stew>brandon: do you also have a .diff.gz and a .dsc with that?
16:08<brandon>Not from the looks of it
16:08<brandon>Er... what's the command to change directories? >_<
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16:09<ebcl>okay, I am from the dark ages. w00t for tar progress!
16:09<brandon>Ok, it works now, wasn't in the right directory
16:09<brandon>Well, the dark ages is new to me :P
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16:09<stew>brandon: .orig.tar.gz looks suspiciously like part of a debian source package, which would typically come with a .dsc and .diff.gz, where did you get this .tar.gz?
16:10<brandon>Oh, hey
16:10<ebcl>brandon, so, to amend my previous statement, "that's not because you left out the "-" before xfvz, and the "f" no longer has to come last."
16:10<brandon>it does, I just didn't get it ^_^
16:10<brandon>I'm... not used to downloads being in multiple parts, I'm a Win XP user
16:10<stew>brandon: are you running debian or ubuntu?
16:11<stew>brandon: you should be on #ubuntu on
16:11<stew>brandon: there is likely a better way to do what you are trying to do, and it really should also have a .dsc and .diff.gz
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16:12<ebcl>stew, any chance of getting some suggestions re: failing to execute the tar or the touch commands?
16:13<ebcl>guessing the area of conflict, we have tried "if $LOGUSER = $PATRON; then", "if $LOGUSER == $PATRON; then"; with and with out "[]"'s
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16:17<chalkie>how do you use a .deb file?
16:17<kop>ebcl : I'd say you want the = and the [], but if you're poking with a stick like that you should really be trying out snippets of code at the command line to see what works. (If you're not up for reading 'man bash'.)
16:18<aFlag>no one knows some program for speeding up a mpeg video?
16:18<kop>chalkie : dpkg
16:18<chalkie>dpkg tell sme what a deb file is not how to use it or use it for install of a program
16:19<dondelelcaro>chalkie: you install it using dpkg
16:19<dondelelcaro>chalkie: but in general, you shouldn't be doing anything with .deb files directly. Use aptitude, synaptic, apt-get or dselect to install them from a Debian mirror.
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16:20<kop>chalkie : But if you don't know about dpkg, you probably should stick with the higer level apt commands and stick with the stuff that's supplied with debian. Otherwise you'll get muck installed on your computer and it will eventually plog up -- like MS Windows does.
16:21<chalkie>well ill explain what ive been tryng to do for about a trying to install the latest version of rtorrent
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16:21<chalkie>when i use apt-get install rtorrent its the 1.6 and i need to use 1.8 but every piece of advice given to me requires me to end up rebuilding my machine
16:22<ebcl>kop, all the snippets of code work from the command line, but fail from within ./Default ; so it appears to be a syntax error - which is why we have tried a few variations.
16:22<amphi>chalkie: why do you need 1.8?
16:23<kop>chalkie : That is the sort of situation where you want to use dpkg, or compile yourself. But you need to take care.
16:23<chalkie>amphi the tracker im using only accepts 1.8
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16:23<ebcl>kop, meaning, the echo we added at the top works from within Default, but the tar and touch only work from the cli.
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16:23<amphi>chalkie: ah - why would you need to build more than libtorrent?
16:24<chalkie>amphi well would you maybe be able to help me then? i understand libtorrent is aprt of rtorrent...but i get so confused
16:24<kop>ebcl : It might be an environment thing. Do something like "env > /var/tmp/foo" in the script to see if, e.g., LOGNAME is defined. (P.S. logger is your friend.)
16:24<amphi>chalkie: you'll want to remove any packaged version of libtorrent and rtorrent first
16:24<chalkie>ill just quickerly rebuild
16:25<amphi>chalkie: and then build the version you want from source
16:26<kop>ebcl : It can't be a syntax thing, unless the shell is different.
16:26<amphi>chalkie: if ./configure says stuff is missing, install the relevant -dev package
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16:26<ebcl>kop, the pastebin is here:
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16:28<kop>ebcl : If you want to try it at the command line, you need to run /bin/sh first to get sh running. (Which is bash, but running in posix mode or some such. ) Or, use #!/bin/bash (which is less portable.)
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16:29<kop>ebcl: Nothing leaps out at me, but then I'm not always up on the differences between bash and sh.
16:29<phill>running etch, after a s/w update which included php,apache,kernel and probably more my localhost website stopped working properly. Initially, it (Iceweasel) serves my index.php file properly which is a login screen, but after that it gives a dialog box to open index.php. I have an earlier version of this website in localhost that still seems to work. I'm trying to grok the differences and figure it out but I'm stumped...
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16:30<kop>phill : Probably something in /etc/apache2/sites-available or something. I think there's a README.Debian in /usr/share/apache*/ that explains things. That's my guess.
16:31<kop>phill : Oops. /usr/share/doc/apache*/
16:31<ebcl>kop, for each variant, I get "> > > /bin/sh: =: not found" "> > > /bin/sh: ==: not found", "> > > /bin/sh: -eq: not found"
16:31<kop>ebcl : That's why you need the []
16:32<phill>thks, I'll look
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16:32<ebcl>kolter, added []'s; "> > > [: 5: missing ]"
16:32<kop>ebcl : And shell is picky (and painful with quoting and spaces. You need spaces before and after each [].
16:33<ebcl>"> > > [: 5: patron: unexpected operator"
16:33<ebcl>... I feel like we are getting somewhere... yet not....
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16:33<kop>ebcl: -eq is only good for numeric arguments
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16:34<ebcl>kop, currently using "="
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16:35<kop>ebcl : You might want to be safe and "$PATRON" in case the var has spaces in it. Got a current paste?
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16:36<kop>ebcl : (Always best to quote strings in case of imbedded spaces.)
16:38<rgr>is there an open replacement for the flash video plugin for iceweasel which works?
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16:39<ebcl>rgr, gnash?
16:39<rgr>gnash doesn#t work that i can see. It keeps crashing iceweasel.
16:40<guillaume_>how to solve Framebuffer bpp 32 not supported for this chipset error with xorg-sis video driver ?
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16:40<kop>ebcl: Your sure $LOGNAME isn't empty. (That'll mess things up too unless you quote the variable.)
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16:41<rgr>ebcl: do you use gnash?
16:41<pat_>Hi. How can I set up a ssh server so that I can access and administer my debian lenny from another location?
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16:41<ebcl>rgr, on a couple machines, but not 'seriously'.
16:41<kop>pat_ : aptitude install openssh-server (iirc)
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16:41<rgr>pat_: open synaptic and seach for openssh
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16:42<ebcl>kop, "/bin/echo $LOGNAME > /tmp/logname" == "cat /tmp/logname"
16:42<kop>guillaume_ : Use a 16 bit depth? (Maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)
16:42<rgr>pat_: then look into public keys and ssh. No need to use passwords then.
16:43<kop>ebcl : When run as intended as a gnome-post-something script?
16:43<pat_>public keys where do I find those?
16:43<kop>pat_ : man ssh-keygen
16:44<pat_>kop and rgr: tnx
16:44<guillaume_>kop: actually, I use auto detect ability of xorg 7.3
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16:44<ebcl>kop, yes, that much of it works.
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16:45<kop>ebcl : Maybe it's really taking the if. Put some debugging output in the then (and an else) part of the if and see if what you think is happening is really happening. I gotta stop now.
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16:45<ebcl>kop, glad I am no the only one struggling with this.
16:46<ebcl>kop, thanks.
16:46<phill>not seeing anything sites-available... what are possible reasons for not serving .php files properly?
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16:49<cetko>any experience with netbooting openbsd?
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16:53<neale>the lenny installer is totally boss
16:54<pat_>Another question. Can anyone help me to write some script that when this computer is put on and gets a IP adres from the DHCP server of the ISP. It automatically e-mails this address to a email adress?
16:56<avtobiff>pat_, look at /etc/network/if-up.d/
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16:57<avtobiff>pat_, scripts you put in there run when interfaces get up
16:58<pat_>avtobiff: tnx: but I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to write a script that sends an email
16:58<pat_>that's why I asked.
16:58<pat_>but your help gets me started
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17:00<avtobiff>pat_, check out the advanced bash scripting guide
17:00<geo>how goes it
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17:08<avtobiff>pat_, basically you would like something like this "#!/bin/sh\nmail -s NEW_IP" , where \n is a newline
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17:09<pat_>so it's two lines?
17:09<pat_>second line starting with mail
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17:10<pat_>sorry kinda new to scripting
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17:11<rgr>mail -s test com "hello" < ifconfig
17:11<rgr>woudl do I think
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17:13<pat_>So I make a textfile called mailscript and put that line in it? Just that?
17:13<pat_>in map /etc/network/if-up.d/
17:13<Bushmills>rgr: not meant to say -s instead of com?
17:13<rgr>that example did not include where to get that ip address from.
17:14<rgr>remove the spurious "com"
17:14<rgr> mail -s test "hello" < ifconfig
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17:14<rgr>aargh. mail -s test < ifconfig
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17:15<Bushmills>desperation struck
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17:18<pat_>line 2: ifconfig: No such file or directory
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17:19<Bushmills>pat, date | mail me@mail.address -s "test"
17:19<phill>Iceweasel giving me open dialog box for index.php on localhost... ?
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17:22<Bushmills>phill: iceweasel giving me "do you want to save the open tabs?" when exiting
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17:23<phill>not tabs, it doesn't seem to want to serve index.php in the browser, instead gives a dialog box
17:23<stew>phill: are you using apache or apache2 or what?
17:23<stew>phill: try "a2enmod php5"
17:24<Bushmills>phill: browser never serves php.
17:24<phill>a2enmod php5 --> this module already enabled
17:24<Bushmills>it just displays what it receives
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17:25<phill>it's weird was working before a s/w upgrade of lots of stuff: php apache kernel on etch
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17:26<phill>furthermore it serves another dir under localhost fine, its just an earlier version of the website
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17:31<phill>browser says: you have chosen to open index.php which is PHP script from http://localhost what should iceweasel do with this file...
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17:32<tyi>hi all, any news of when lenny will be official?
17:33<stew>tyi: /msg dpkg lenny status
17:34<tyi>lol thanks
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17:36<tyi>thats a lot of critical bugs it still has
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17:43<Bushmills>phill: save it, or display it, whatever you prefer
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17:48<Bushmills>even the maken
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17:49<Bushmills>oops, sry. wrong chat
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18:05<Duk_work>hello, anybody here good with grub/unconventional installs?
18:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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18:06<Duk_work>alright, i made a tarball of an etch system so that i could move it to another system without cloning...
18:06<Duk_work>everything went fine, even backed up the partition table with sfdisk
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18:07<Duk_work>unpacked everything, everything was fine, installed grub, double checked everything, but grub gives Error 2 on boot
18:08<Duk_work>any ideas?
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18:09<Bushmills>Duk_work: error 2 '= "Selected disk doesn't exist"
18:09<Bushmills>This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full filename refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system.
18:09<jt_>a file named calender made with vim
18:10<jt_>wrong channel
18:10<Duk_work>Bushmills: i am aware of what the error message means, but am unaware of how to resolve this
18:10<Duk_work>i have tried drive recognition settings in the bios and everything
18:11<Bushmills>Duk_work: sounds to me as you have specified a wrong drive in /boot/grub/menu.lst
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18:12<Duk_work>/dev/sda1 is root everywhere afaik
18:12<Duk_work>fstab, menu.lst, and the original server
18:13<Duk_work>as well as the new one
18:13<Bushmills>"...double checked everything, but grub gives Error 2 on boot" sorry that is all info i have, and i can't tell you anything else than what the error means.
18:13<Duk_work>thats all the info i have as well...
18:14<Bushmills>so i see two possibilities: believe grub, and fix menu.lst, or don't - i.e. assume it produces an error message which is not related to the real - actual - problem.
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18:19<junio>Hi all. Any body know where a found a list of packages default install with the gnone?
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18:20<petemc>junio: do you have a machine running debian?
18:21<junio>petemc: yes, but I´m using the basic system with the xfce4
18:21<petemc>aptitude install gnome
18:21<petemc>it will tell you what its going to install
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18:22<petemc>if you dont like what you see, press n
18:22<stew>junio: tasksel --task-packages desktop
18:22<junio>petemc: I´m not want install gnome. I just like some packages.
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18:22<stew>junio: /msg dpkg install gnome
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18:23<junio>petemc: hummm... Thanks!
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18:24<junio>Any more way?
18:25<k1lumin4t1>is there any GUI tool for video convetion between several formats (including IPOD formats)?
18:25<stew>junio: what else do you need to know?
18:26<junio>stew: I like know the list name and description all packages used by gnome default instalation.
18:26<stew>junio: "tasksel --task-packages desktop"
18:26<junio>I like use some packages in xfce4
18:27<junio>stew: cool! thanks!
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18:28<stew>junio: if you need descriptions, perhaps "aptitude search '~tdesktop'"
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18:29<junio>stew: yeap! tha´s very bether. Thanks agains. And escuse my bad english.
18:30<blal>k1lumin4t1 : I only know that, through a convoluted system of command line args, you can use mencoder (in mplayer package) to do that.
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18:31<Duk_work>Bushmills: the default root device declared in the menu.lst is (hd0,0) which is where grub is installed and where it recognizes the files it has as being located
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18:32<Duk_work>find /boot/grub/stage1 when chrooted in returns (hd0,0)
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18:33<neuton>hello again guys/gals
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18:34<neuton>I have debian etch installed, how do I update glibc to 2.4 please?
18:34<llimeht>!wayttd neuton
18:34<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, neuton?
18:35<neuton>I am trying to install plesk but it asks to have glibc 2.4 installed for it
18:36<Duk_work>wait... is grub normally installed to (hd0)? or does debian have it installed onto (hd0,0)?
18:36<blal>neuton : glibc-2.4 isn't in the etch repository
18:36<koollman>Duk_work: hd0,0 would be your /boot partition
18:37<llimeht>neuton: you can't stick glibc 2.4 into etch. You'll either need an older version of plesk that does 2.3 or upgrade to lenny which has 2.7.
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18:38<neuton>is lenny ment for older machines as well?
18:38<blal>neuton : or google "debian plesk"
18:38<Duk_work>koollman: in this case root partition actually
18:38<pat_>hello again I stumbled on another problem. How can I send emails from the command line to a POP/SMTP mailbox?
18:38<blal>neuton : lenny is meant for people who want to help test unstable software, to make Debian better.
18:38<koollman>Duk_work: right. the partition containing the grub stage1, anyway.
18:38<pat_>I tried the mail and mailx commands. But nothing seems to work. Mails don't arrive
18:39<koollman>Duk_work: that does not indicate that grub boot sectore wasn't installed to (hd0)
18:39<dpkg>well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
18:39<llimeht>neuton: I'd be surprised if glibc 2.4 was really a requirement as that would stop plesk working on the latest RHEL which (I think) also has glibc 2.3
18:40<junio>pat_: are you using your mail system or a external mail server, with GMail, for example?
18:40<Duk_work>koollman: i just wonder if something is being done the 'debian' way, which confuses the 'rest of us' if you know what i mean
18:40<blal>neuton : or google "debian plesk"
18:41<neuton>well I ran the file using the sh command and it starting extracting the file but then stopped cause it said it couldn't find glibc 2.4
18:41<pat_>junio: I use external mail service from my ISP
18:41<neuton>would u like me to post what it said at the end of the file?
18:41<koollman>Duk_work: nothing special
18:41<blal>incoming flood detected
18:41<pat_>junio: but it doesn't matter. If I have to I'll set up a mailserver, I just don't know how :(
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18:42<neuton>blal that link u provide does mention to do a dist upgrade of etch
18:42<blal>Duk_work : i dont understand. do you know how many hard drives are installed on your computer?
18:43<llimeht>dpkg: tell neuton about dist-upgrade
18:43<blal>neuton : um probably skip step #1
18:43<junio>pat_: I can try help you, but my english is very trash :-)
18:43<blal>Duk_work : where'd you plug it in? into the IDE bus or the SATA bus?
18:43<Duk_work>sata, port 0
18:44<Duk_work>everything is labeled sda
18:44<Duk_work>runing find /boot/grub/stage1 produces (hd0,0)
18:44<blal>Duk_work : did you tell grub to install the boot loader onto /dev/sda? (not sda0, etc)
18:44<pat_>junio: what language do you speak?
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18:45<Duk_work>i told grub to install the boot loader onto (hd0)
18:45<Duk_work>using setup (hd0)
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18:45<junio>pat_: portuguese
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18:45<blal>Duk_work : wtf is hd0?
18:45<blal>vale tudu
18:46<pat_>junio: I prefer english then.
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18:46<junio>pat_: maybe this link give a light for you.
18:46<Duk_work>blal: i'm installing grub using the command grub
18:46<pat_>junio: I typed mail -s "subject" but it doesn't arrive
18:47<junio>pat_: before you need config the exim4 to send smarthost mails
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18:48<junio>pat_: the mailq show the state of mails.
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18:49<pat_>ok I'll try
18:50<blal>Duk_work : do "find /sbin/init"
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18:51<blal>Duk_work : no, try "find /boot/vmlinuz" or whatever you called your kernel
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18:52<stew>Duk_work: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz for the recommended way to install grub
18:52<Duk_work>ok, i will do that, i gotta go home, i will be unresponsive for an hour or so
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18:53<blal>stew = win
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18:54<kdas>hey all
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18:57<kdas>i am trying to setup a simple monitoring system for all emails(including webmail) i am not interested in reading users/employees emails but rather i am interested to capture any message with certain keywords. I have tried mailsnarf but that does not support webmail and i will use a mail gateway instead. using tcpdump i could see the emails go by in plaintext but i am looking for a tool to autograb that information so i don't have to write
18:57<kdas>a filter. any suggestions ?
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19:05<kop>kdas : Setup a local MTA on the box with postfix and use a "post-queue filter". It's reasonably straightforward. I've a url for one that will not bounce...
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19:07<kdas>kop, and this will allow me to log/monitor webmail as well ?
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19:07<Lestat-Amiga>Hi :)
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19:07<felixd>hello :)
19:08<kdas>to my knowledge postfix (which i was planning on using) will help me in pop3 imap smtp etc, but not in the webmail monitoring
19:08<Lestat-Amiga>I am fighting with a dos-batch script... I know it is Debian here but perhaps you know batch or you know a good channel about it? :)
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19:09<kop>kdas : Despite what Wietse says, this works, always.
19:09<kdas>Lestat-Amiga, i think on freenode server you will find a #batch channel
19:10<Lestat-Amiga>kdas: ok thx I try it :)
19:10<kop>kdas : Depends on your webmail. The webserver has to be running on the box, and it has to handoff mail to the local box for delivery. I'd expect this to be true of most webmail, but I suppose some might have their own smtp client and bypass the local host.
19:12<kop>kdas : Unfortunatly, the -q option to nc used by the script is debian only.
19:13<kdas>kop, i am referring to webmail such as yahoo hotmail etc. when a user access his/her account on yahoo/gmail and sends or receives and email this email should be logged. So what i am saying is that postfix will work for smtp/pop3/imap but what about yahoo and googles webmail ?
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19:13<Lestat-Amiga>kdas: no batch or dos chan on freenode :(
19:14<kop>kdas : Ah. I see. You'd have to run squid or some other transparent http proxy and do something with that. I can't really help there.
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19:14<kop>kdas : I don't know how you'd distingusih webmail from any other sort of http transaction.
19:14<kdas>kop, that is what i am afraid of, i am going to have to write my own filters. so there is no program out there that does that already ?
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19:15<pat_>junio: I set up the exim4 server now how do I send a email to someone throgh that daemon?
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19:15<kop>kdas : Squid is quite mature, it probably has logging features and may have such stuff built-in. Dunno.
19:15<kop>kdas : For SEC compliance?
19:16<kdas>kop, squid has logging features just that webmail and normal web surfing is going through http/https
19:16<kop>pat_ : You can use the "mail" command. (I prefer postfix to exim myself.)
19:16<kop>kdas : Why not log all of it?
19:16<kdas>kop, yea the problem is being able to extract emails from the http surfing :(
19:17<junio>pat_: what you try do?
19:17<kdas>kop, i have a separate setup that logs sites visited and stats for them. i just need another service/program for email
19:18<junio>pat_: your mail are sending mail now?
19:18<kop>kdas : In the general case, it's impossible to tell whether the remote end of a http connection is going to send an email or not. (And you may not even be able to proxy https in a transparent fashion.)
19:19<junio>You try mail and work?
19:19<pat_>Ok I simply don't get it here. I did dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config Then I had to answer a lot of questions that I hope I did well. The purpose of this exim4 is to send mail via the command prompt using the command mail and my ISP's SMTP server. Ok So now what? Do I send it to localhost or to that server? and how? Because 'mail -s "subject" doesn't work. The mail doesn't arrive
19:19<Lestat-Amiga>So thx bye
19:19<kdas>kop, https is only used for the login not emails. the emails go over http in plain text
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19:20<kop>pat_ : You need to check the mail logs to see why it didn't work. (And perhaps the exim4 config files.)
19:20<pat_>'/var/logs/mail' ?
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19:20<petemc> /var/log/exim4/mainlog
19:21<twerk^>'lo.. having trouble installing on an IBM server. Anyone have a minute to assist?
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19:21<kdas>kop, i found already like 100 sites telling me how to get users passwords for webmail providers which i could care less for, but nothing on just extracting emails sent over http :(
19:21<kop>twerk^ : Mainframe? I'll hang out and watch that....
19:22<twerk^>its an Intellistation M Pro w/ AIC7899 SCSI. Tried both AIC7xxx and AIC7xxx_old
19:22<twerk^>wont detect my harddrive
19:22<pat_>2008-11-06 03:15:34 1KxuPG-00014v-5U ** Unrouteable address
19:22<kop>kdas : Your problem is going to be determining what http has webmail traffic. How would you do that?
19:22<pat_>maybe I set it up wrong?
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19:23<petemc>perhaps, run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config again
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19:23<kop>twerk^ : Check the kernel docs in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc*/ for the hardware support. I've also had to upgrade bios to get an old box to work, but I would only try that as a last resort if everything's supposed to work but does not.
19:23<jt_>how can I get my motherboard type? I want to know if I can put CoreBoot on my laptop.
19:24<kdas>kop, well i can log the http traffic and then manually write filters for the emails but that seems like i would be reinventing the wheel
19:24<twerk^>well heres the thing... i think the chip is not supported in the kernel for Etch's installer
19:24<kdas>but then again i guess not
19:24<petemc>kdas: looked at tcpflow?
19:24<pat_>the problem is should I address the email to my localhost or to my specified domainame in the config or to the 'real' email address?
19:24<twerk^>i tried an iso... found here:
19:24<kop>!tell twerk^ -about etchnhalf
19:24<petemc>twerk^: try etchnhalf or lenny
19:25<twerk^>im using etchnhalf netinst
19:25<twerk^>the disc i found at the above link worked. it detected with the custom kernel he made
19:25<kdas>petemc, yes but that still involves me to make my own filters
19:25<twerk^>but, its looking for woody installation media. i would much prefer etch
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19:26<kop>twerk^ : It's possible to use the lenny installer, install etch (see the debian wiki?), and then use the install disk as a rescue disk to put a kernel on, or build your own kernel.
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19:26<petemc>jt_: dmidecode
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19:27<twerk^>lenny installer eh? i understand this is a problem among many power edge and IBM servers. Will lenny help?
19:27<jt_>petemc: thanks
19:27<kop>pat_ : You use the real address you want to send to. There's no difference between your computer and all the other computers that send/receive mail (except for possible restrictions imposed by your ISP.)
19:27<twerk^>apologies for not following your links, i'm in a text console.
19:28<petemc>and restrictions imposed by receiving hosts
19:28<blal>twerk^ lrn2 gpm
19:28<kop>twerk^ : Lenny has a much newer kernel, which means support for newer/more hardware.
19:29<twerk^>i see. this is not an old machine... 1.7ghz.
19:29<twerk^>i will give it a shot
19:29<dpkg>gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks.
19:29<junio>pat_: maybe it´s a new light for you:
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19:29<rgr>I understand that /etc/exports tells nfs what to export but how can I query nfs as to what is actually being exported and who can access it?
19:29<twerk^>i'm familiar with gpm. i have no browser installed.
19:30<twerk^>but thank you anyway
19:30<kop>twerk^ : You can still run etch. There's just some sort of argument you need to pass to the installer at it's boot prompt that will let you install a different release.
19:30<blal>twerk^ : aptitude install links
19:30<twerk^>i'm also familar with links.
19:30<twerk^>what i'm not familiar with is older weird undetected adaptec cards.
19:30<twerk^>dl'ing lenny now
19:30<blal>twerk^ so u should have no trouble using the links provided - :-P
19:30<twerk^>gonna try it
19:30<rgr>kop: you can also use etcandahalf
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19:31<kdas>petemc, kop, so i guess i am stuck to write my own http filters?
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19:31<kop>rgr : Etchnhalf is now released, and part of etch. (It's just a matter of getting the etchnhalf kernel installed. I think the installer asks.)
19:31<dpkg>nfs is, like, Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>.
19:31<blal>rgr: "/msg dpkg ssh tunneled nfs" right nao
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19:32<twerk^>will the lenny netinst include all the scsi drivers? or do i need to grab a full disc
19:32<twerk^>sry. debian newb.
19:32<kop>kdas : I guess, or figure out if squid will let you build your filter in some painless fashion.
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19:33<kop>twerk^ : All the debian installers will install any necessary driver.
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19:33<rgr>blal: I'm sure how that is relevant.
19:33<twerk^>kop: tx.
19:33<rgr>not sure that is
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19:34<kop>kdas : You can use the link I originally supplied as the basis for a postfix filter.
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19:35<rgr>has anyone here successfully connect a mac g4 to a linux nfs share?
19:36<twerk^>is lenny suitable for production? stable enough?
19:36<kdas>kop, i found a product which did what i wanted barrcuda networks then researching a little more i read that they use clamAV and other opensource software. Now i just need to figure out all the software they use
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19:36<kop>twerk^ : My problem with lenny is that it does not have the same support by the security team as stable.
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19:36<rgr>twerk^: thats like asking how long is a piece of string. It depends what its doing and how often you update the SW,
19:36<pat_>junio and kop and everyone else : tnx it works. My ISP doesn't allow incomming mails with domainnames with just one part
19:37<pat_>anyway it works now
19:37<twerk^>kop: thank you for you answer.
19:37<twerk^>anons: pls stop answering me with retardation
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19:38<blal>twerk^ : probly not. i spent a little time running testing on a production system. spent too damned much time installing updates.
19:38<blal>twerk^ : never got r00ted, tho
19:38<junio>pat_: congratulations!
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19:38<blal>rgr : its relevant coz theres no reason a modern human such as yourself should use nfs by itself.
19:38<twerk^>is there a way to use the lenny installation media to get my drives detected so i can rock a more stable release?
19:38<kop>twerk^ : If you want no retardation, you'll have to figure out how to ask questions that have no retarded answer. It's probably not a good use of your time.
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19:39<kop>blal : Like samba is heavily secured? If you just want something on your local lan, nfs is fine.
19:39<rgr>bla1: what would you use? keeping in mind that it works great and I'm on a secure lan.
19:39<blal>rgr : NFS is teh archaic, insecure.
19:40<rgr>I think you're talking rubbish.
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19:40<blal>kop : thats fine 'til a friend plugs his laptop into your network.
19:40<rgr>nfs is a stalwart in lots of lans and works well.
19:40<pat_>now one more thing. How can I make this mail command send the ip address of this computer? Something like this? mail -s `NEW_IP` ?
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19:40<kop>blal : I keep a separate network.
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19:41<blal>kop: and plz dont accuse me of approving of SaMBa.
19:41<rgr>and if you do not specfically grant access they cna not connect.
19:41<rgr>blal: so what do you use? sshfs?
19:41<blal>rgr : do u know what ARP poisoning is?
19:41<kop>pat_ : /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr:' | cut -d : -f 2 | cut -d ' ' -f 1
19:41<rgr>and I get that inside my home lan how exactly?
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19:42<blal>rgr : i dont use anything like that at the moment. I think tunneling over ssh is the best way to go. cryptography 'n shit.
19:42<twerk^>garr. not booting with the lenny disc.
19:42<kop>blal : Not implied. But it's pretty much the alternative.
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19:42<blal>rgr : i mean, why reinvent the wheel if ssh already provides transport-level strong privacy?
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19:42<stew>blal: i don't need the stuff on my nfs share to be encrypted though, i'm sure others do not as well
19:42<felixd>How can I bind more than one IP addr to one interface ?
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19:43<stew>felixd: ip addr add dev eth0
19:43<kop>blal : OpenVPN. If you want arbitrary traffic may as well use a tool designed for the job rather than roll your own.
19:43<blal>stew : if u really dont care, then NFS and SAMBA should work fine. ssh if u give a damn.
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19:43<felixd>stew thank you
19:43<kop>felixd : man interfaces
19:44<stew>blal: what should I use instead of nfs?
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19:44<blal>stew : nfs over ssh is prolly sufficient
19:44<stew>blal: but you said that nobody should be using nfs
19:45<stew>blal: and why put it over ssh if there is no need for encryption?
19:45<kop>stew : He did say that after pointing to nfs over ssh.
19:45<blal>stew : OpenVPN (nfs over openvpn) should work, too, but I dont have firsthand experience /w that.
19:45<blal>stew : grammar nazi
19:45<stew>blal: what?
19:45<kop>stew : Gresham's law. Give up. Resistance is futile.
19:46<blal>stew : the point is I recommend avoiding vanilla NFS and using an additional layer of cryptography for security & privacy.
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19:48<twerk^>GAH FU*KING thing wont post now
19:48<blal>kop : the wikipedia article went on about the relationship of two currencies. surely you aren't referring to the probability of being called a nazi approaching 1 as time increases?
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19:48<blal>kop: well said, by the way
19:48<blal>also, "don't feed the troll"
19:48<blal>alos, "don't feed the energy monster"
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19:50<blal>twerk^ whats a post?
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19:51<stew>power on self test
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19:52<twerk^>blal: lrn 2 hardware
19:52<blal>twerk^ no u
19:52<blal>stew : ah, POST.
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19:53<twerk^>blal: NO YOU!
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19:53<pat_>kop: that doesn't do the trick it sends me some weird characters. Isn't there a way to 'break' the command and include the results of ifconfig eth1? or even reroute the on screen results of 'ifcongig eth1' to the body text of the email ?
19:54<blal>twerk^ no u ^ infinity the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best
19:55<twerk^>fucking anons
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19:55<twerk^>>9k is mah shits.
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19:56<twerk^>cant get some damned help without some anon coming and raining on my parade
19:56<blal>TorChan > 4chan how are u deprived of help? u got all ur answers
19:56<twerk^>kidding dude
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19:56<blal>twerk^ : rgr & stew are in a bad mood; dont matter tho; u found out why lenny
19:56<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
19:57<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
19:57<rgr>Im not in a bad mood. I just think you were being too down on nfs. nfs has its uses.
19:57<stew>blal: twerk^ please take this off-topic chatter elsewhere, perhaps /query perhaps #debian-offtopic
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19:57<rgr>just got a mates mac connected on my lan so he can watch my movie colleciton over wireless. no messing around with ssh on the mac. "just worked": Nice.
19:58<twerk^>fair enough.
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19:58<blal>works liek magick
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19:59<twerk^>ok ok on topic. can anyone tell me what discs i'd need to get a minimal debian LAMP server up? The netinst disc doesn't seem to boot fo em
20:00<twerk^>tldr; what discs are minimum
20:00<stew>twerk^: /msg dpkg which cd
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20:01<stew>twerk^: you can use the jigdo search to see which cds the libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-mysql and mysql-server-5.0 packages are on
20:01<blal> worth investigating
20:02<twerk^>stew: tx
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20:03<blal>twerk^ so is it booting now?
20:03<blal>twerk^ : what about making it past POST?
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20:05<twerk^>got passed post. its been shelved for a while... just reseated all the bits, reset the cmos and up it came
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20:06<dpkg>rumour has it, sshfs is a FUSE-based filesystem that uses ssh. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. (Don't confuse sshfs with shfs.) Sshfs is in the package sshfs. See, or ask me about <fuse>. (remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group)
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20:09<twerk^>sshfs sounds slick.
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20:10<blal>twerk^ : I'm tellin' ya, #debian ...
20:11<twerk^>blal: i'm there dude.
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20:14<blal>whats q
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20:16<blal>u said q whats q
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20:16<twerk^>wrong keyboard
20:16<twerk^>too many here to choose from.
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20:17<mcr>we (in Ottawa) have a very reliable debian mirror with extra disk space and bandwidth (particularly through the local IX, and into CAnet4, and via IPv6) and wanted to offer it as a security mirror as well.
20:17<mcr>is there a special proceedure for offering that? It's already one of's IP.
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20:19<blal> ?
20:19<stew>mcr: there are no official security mirrors
20:20<stew>(for a reason)
20:20<blal>mcr : (that url was meant for you)
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20:21<blal>twerk^ o rly?
20:22<twerk^>i speak the truth.
20:22<blal>rofl wrong window
20:22<neuton>blal ty so much for the link I got it installed
20:22<blal>neuton : who are u?
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20:23<neuton>lol didnt u provide the link earlier for plesk to be installed on debian etch?
20:24<blal>neuton : thats right, now i remember u
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20:25<pat_>Hi again. Is there a way to run a script that sends an email when my network is up? The script works. I put it in /etc/network/if-up.d/ but the problem is that when eth0 comes up, the mailserver isn't up yet. So it runs too early
20:28<twerk^>pat_ thats kind of a good idea actually
20:28<pat_>twerk^: the idea isn't mine :)
20:28<blal>pat_ : rofl ; id look into some kind of caching mail server, so it waits to send
20:28<twerk^>although i think id rather recieve it when the network goes down :P
20:29<twerk^>hm. perhaps i SHOULD plug my UPS's serial cable in...
20:29<blal>pat_ or u could create a web service. use a web service client to have another computer actually send the email. lots of possibilities...
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20:29<blal>pat_ : or mebbe email is not the best medium; syslog?
20:30<stew>pat_: which mta are you using?
20:30<pat_>the thing is this: I want to put a computer on another place (real world address) but it has dynamic dhcp from my ISP. So if I want to access it via SSH I need to know it's IP and there only one way for that (I think) and that's to send it's ip to my email address
20:30<pat_>the script works now. But it runs too early in /etc/network/if-up.d
20:31<blal>pat_ : good news: that's precisely what was created to halp w/; bad news, I always get aggressively portscanned when I put my IP addy on
20:31<twerk^>why not use dynamic dns
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20:31<blal>pat_ : rofl u keep current w/ security updates, right?
20:32<pat_>blal why?
20:32<blal>pat_ do u know what a port scan is?
20:32<stew>pat_: depending on which MTA you use, it should not be a problem to send an email before the mta is started
20:32<blal>pat_ why what?
20:32<pat_>MTA = what?
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20:33<stew>pat_: mail transfer agent. the thing that moves mail to and from the machine
20:33<twerk^>pat_: or
20:33<twerk^>or what the heck... and get yourself a real domain
20:33<pat_>that's the irony blal. I want to access the computer remotely to administer it. But by enabling that possibility it makes it more vlnarable
20:34<pat_>stew I use exim4
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20:34<stew>pat_: then it shouldn't matter that you are sending the email before eim is started
20:35<stew>pat_: it should just get queued
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20:35<superjet_busy>Is it possible to insert external file link into post from local harddisk without import it into wordpress? then click link will open it?
20:35<pat_>stew: well then something else is wrong.
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20:35<blal>pat_ if u dont get sloppy w/ ur private keys, u should be ok. IF.
20:36<stew>pat_: did you look in /var/log/exim/mainlog ? or /var/log/mail.log for errors?
20:36<pat_>blal: well I'll return here for part 2 of my plan (getting help on setting p a secure ssh connection) right now I want this script thingy to work
20:37<pat_>stew: yes no errors
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20:37<blal>!tell superjet_busy about off-topic
20:38<blal>!tell superjet_busy about offtopic
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20:38<blal>twerk^ : ive used - dont send em ur real contact info or ull be spammed. otherwise they're cheap and great. srsly
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20:39<superjet_busy>is ok when i add under debian/sid?
20:39<dpkg>fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions. Ask me about <partitioning><gparted>.
20:39<pat_>I put a textfile containing the script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ and made it executable with chmod 0755. It works when I call it with sh scriptname but not when network comes up
20:39<variable>what command shows me all partitions
20:40<stew>variable: fdisk -l
20:40<stew>superjet_busy: i'd recommend asking in #wordpress on
20:41<variable>bash: fdisk: command not found
20:41<blal>superjet_busy: i accidentally the whole wordpress is that bad?
20:41<variable>is there other
20:41<stew>variable: cat /proc/partitions
20:41<blal>variable : prolly need to run as root
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20:41<blal>variable : no, do what stew said, cat /proc/pratitions
20:41<superjet_busy>stew: have not got reply from there yet :)
20:42<variable>well i forgot that to see fdisk -l i have to run it under root privilegies
20:42<twerk^>ok guys
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20:43<twerk^>booted the lenny x86 disc 1, and its hanging at detecting my cdrom
20:43<twerk^>O SNAP
20:43<twerk^>10 minutes later it goes
20:44<blal>ur using teh exotic CDROM
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20:50<blal>variable : thats because fdisk needs direct access to the hard drive to give you that info. not a safe thing to give to non-root users.
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20:51<variable>i'm trying to make a splash image on grub and now i have to write on which hard driver is that image
20:51<variable>but i have sata driver
20:52<variable>how to write that image is on sata, because there is tips just for hda
20:52<variable>like hd0,0
20:53<variable>(hdX,Y where X for disk and Y for partition)
20:53<variable>so how about sata?
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20:53<variable>sd0, 7
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20:54<stew>variable: no, still hdX,Y, check /boot/grub/
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20:55<variable>(hd0) /dev/sda
20:55<variable>so partition will be 7
20:55<variable>hd0,7 like this?
20:56<variable>i'm saying partition 7 because it's logical and it is selected with boot flag
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20:57<variable>ok i hope it will work ;] making rr
20:58<blal>variable : im totally guessing. grub uses a cooky, platform-independent way of referring to hard drives. hd0 = the first available hard drive; not necessarily hda or sda.
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20:58<blal>platform? I meant hardward-independent
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20:58<blal>oh never mind
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21:02<twerk^>hehe hardward
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21:02<twerk^>i think thats what my floor is made of
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21:03<twerk^>its taking a really long time to detect hardware
21:04<twerk^>any idea why?
21:06<blal>no thats hardwood; and no, i dont know why hardware detection is taking so long
21:07<neuton>i will talk to u guys later...have fun all...again ty blal
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21:07<blal>who are u?!! j/k
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21:08<neuton>have fun all
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21:09<twerk^>ok update on my ibm server situation: after downloading and burning 2 discs and trying them, neither etchnhalf or lenny will not detect my hard drive controller
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21:09<twerk^>woa double negative
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21:10<twerk^> <--this disc works. but its woody. what has he done? and how can I accomplish this for etch or lenny?
21:11<blal>twerk^ : dist-upgrade?
21:12<blal>twerk^ coz why does it works? patched kernel?
21:12<twerk^>i assume.
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21:13<twerk^>its the oldschool installer... all manual everything but it allowed me to partition my scsi drives ok.
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21:13<twerk^>when you tell it to install it searches for a /woody/ folder to pull packages from
21:13<twerk^>+does not support netinst
21:13<dmoerner>twerk^, why not use a lenny image? those drivers were merged mainline long ago
21:13<dmoerner>woody is stuck on archives mirror
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21:14<twerk^>dmoerner: i've tried etchnhalf and lenny
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21:14<twerk^>both do not actually detect the discs
21:14<blal>twerk^ : waht did you say the model # was for your Dell server?
21:14<twerk^>says "no disk drives found" then lets me choose the correct driver
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21:14<blal>twerk^ : the Platitude X9000 or some such?
21:14<twerk^>neither the correct driver (aic_7xxx) nor (aic_7xxx_old) work
21:15<twerk^>its an ibm intellistation
21:15<twerk^>M pro
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21:15<twerk^>it was running gentoo, but i wanted to change it due to their terrible server mishap
21:17<phill>apache2 doesn't serve my .php files in my localhost website: iceweasel gives open dialog box for index.php...
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21:20<blal>twerk^ : hm, maybe some funny issue w/ kernel modules. are there other live CDs that book ok on it?
21:20<variable>is there some option for zsh always run it on top?
21:21<twerk^>like i said... this works
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21:21<twerk^>gentoo worked too
21:22<blal>twerk^ : u could look at kernel version, loaded modules, etc to find a combo that will work. then just do something ghastly like compile a custom install CD
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21:22<twerk^>ghastly indeed.
21:22<twerk^>what do you think about that debian-dell disc
21:23<twerk^>any chance a file can be changed to locate the installation for lenny or etch instead of woody?
21:23<twerk^>this seems like a tool that should be available
21:23<twerk^>theres a lot of power edge
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21:23<twerk^>and intellistations out there
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21:25<blal>twerk^ : hm, maybe boot from the CD, keep the old kernel, then dist-upgrade to etch
21:26<blal>twerk^ maybe that'll downgrade ur problem to getting a recent kernel instead of being unable to boot altogether.
21:26<twerk^>sounds like a crazy workaround
21:26<twerk^>but if it must be done, it must be done
21:26<blal>twerk^ : the whole thing smells like there are magick patches u have to use to get the kernel to find ur hardware
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21:27<blal>twerk^ : heres why im prolly right: "I would suggest using the stock kernel from or one of
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21:27<blal>their mirrors. The ISO does not use the Debian kernels."
21:28<twerk^>word sone.
21:28<blal>twerk^ : the workaround isnt crazy; your dell hardward is. :-D u need special patches.
21:28<twerk^>its ibm
21:28<blal>twerk^ : that comment was from one of the posts at the bottom of the article. From "Scott".
21:28<twerk^>this is cross hardware.
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21:28<twerk^>the dell disc works on my ibm
21:28<twerk^>NO U!
21:29<blal>damnit, ran out of comebacks
21:29<blal>ur pretty much fucked after "no u" in caps.
21:29<twerk^>o rly?
21:32<blal>HABEEB IT!
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21:32<dpkg>[dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at, the worst company you could ever do business with, crap,,
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21:32<twerk^>god dammit where do i download woody?
21:33<twerk^>says obsolete
21:33<blal>twerk^ : might be under "oldstable"
21:33<Bushmills>twerk^: i might have a ham cd somewhere
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21:34<blal>twerk^ : no thats sarge. here's the thing. you almost certainly need kernel patches, not ancient version of software (woody)
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21:36<twerk^>i'm gonna just install woody and try dist-upgrade
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21:37<blal>twerk^ : ok, maybe. 'member not to let Debian upgrade ur kernel.
21:37<twerk^>so gotta link to woody images?
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21:38<blal> oh yes i did
21:38*twerk^ sighs
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21:40<twerk^>seriously. over 9000 internets to the man who comes up with links to the iso's needed to install debian woody
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21:40<blal> not there yet but closer...
21:41<blal>twerk^ : heres the problem... u need magic kernel patches that are only in the custom kernel in the ISO for the article u gave me/#debian.
21:41<twerk^>but i can boot with that disc, install woody and update everything but the kernel
21:42<blal>twerk^ : yes, precisely. thats the thing.
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21:42<blal>twerk^ : ur kernel is magic. it has patches that are necessary to get ur DELL to work...
21:42<twerk^>then once my websites arent being served off a lapto (eek yep you read it right) i can recompile my kernel with the needed patches
21:43<blal>twerk^ : awesome office is awesome
21:44<Bushmills>twerk^: boot from cd, mount hard disk, debootstrap lenny to hard disk. install grub, and kernel (maybe copy a known working kernel too)
21:44<twerk^>lol its awesome. pc running osx, tv running boxee, 2 ubuntu lappys, powerbook ti running tiger
21:44<phill>apache2 log file shows segmentation fault, also file does not exist /var/www/favicon.ico
21:44<twerk^>bushmills: livecds no worky
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21:45<Bushmills>twerk^: none at all?
21:45<blal>Bushmills : he needs special, magic kernel patches to get his wonky DELL server hardward (hard drive / cdrom drive / maybe ethernet) to be detected.
21:45<twerk^>gentoo only
21:45<twerk^>^listen to this man
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21:46<Bushmills>debootstrap is available on (some) none-debian distribs too
21:46<blal>twerk^ : zomg copy the gentoo kernel to ur debian partition
21:46<Bushmills>i installed debian from an installed fedora that way
21:46<dpkg>well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
21:46<abrotman>it could be an initrd issue
21:46<twerk^>no os at present.
21:47<twerk^>the dell disc allowed me to wipe the partition table
21:47<blal>rofl ok go get gentoo
21:47<Bushmills>aic7xxx is for adaptec 2940 and such scsi controllers
21:47<Bushmills>you got one of those?
21:47<abrotman>twerk^: do you have a PCI ID for the controller?
21:48<blal>twerk^ or maybe just gentoo livecd....
21:48<phill>how do I roll back the latest update of apache2 to what I had before, I'm using etch
21:48<twerk^>its an aic7899
21:48<Bushmills>don't know that model but i suppose it is the right module
21:48<abrotman>twerk^: no .. from lspci -nn
21:49<abrotman>phill: why would you?
21:49<phill>I'm getting segmentation fault in the error log,
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21:49<phill>I'm having lots of trouble getting my localhost website that I'm working on to be served properly
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21:50<abrotman>tried disabling modules?
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21:50<blal>phill : fill out a bug report
21:50<phill>no what do you mean?
21:51<blal>phill : package reportbug
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21:51<blal>phill : also try disabling modules
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21:51<phill>how to disable mods?
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21:51<twerk^>i really dont want to download gentoo just to lspci...
21:52<twerk^>i installed gentoo long ago. 2006 i believe
21:52<blal>twerk^ : rofl do it
21:52<twerk^>woody images?
21:52<abrotman>twerk^: any live CD or a lenny install CD should have it
21:52<twerk^>how can i drop to bash from the lenny disc1?
21:52<abrotman>twerk^: alt-f3 IIRC
21:53<phill>which one should I disable? : alias auth_basic authn_file authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_user autoindex cgi dir env mime negotiation php5 setenvif status
21:53<twerk^>of course
21:53<blal>phill : mods = cods =
21:53*twerk^ slaps himself
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21:53<abrotman>phill: a2dismod
21:53<blal>phill : all
21:54<blal>phill : its a fish; dont get side-tracked; the URL has good info
21:54<twerk^>its 9005:00cf
21:54<blal>twerk^ : rofl
21:54<phill>thanks for the url, I'll look at it
21:54<abrotman>aic7xxx 0x00009005 0x000000cf 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00010000 0x00ffff00 0x0
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21:54<abrotman>rofl blal rofl rofl
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21:56<twerk^>abrotman: english... do you speak it?
21:56<abrotman>me? would you rather converse with blal ?
21:56<blal>abrotman : twerk^ : Please move this discussion to #debian-lol
21:56<simonrvn>we were wondering the same actually
21:57<blal>no u
21:57<twerk^>ok ok so how can i get this thing purring?
21:57<simonrvn>yay, drop down to 12 year old lolspeak
21:57<phill>remove all? really? many of them look necessary: alias auth_basic authn_file authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_user autoindex cgi dir env mime negotiation php5 setenvif status
21:58<abrotman>phill: does the error log give you a hint ?
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21:58<blal>phill : rofl first u bring em all down and make sure the daemon doesnt segfault. ull get boring error messages about modules not being available and ur website wont work fully. then u bring em back one at at a time n see if one of them is segfaulting.
21:58<abrotman>wait .. and i don't speak english?
21:58<phill>blal : k thks
21:59<twerk^>abrotman it was a joke...
21:59<twerk^>i just dont speak hex
21:59<Bushmills>blal: you can do binary search, or partition search
21:59<phill>abrotman: error log talks about missing favicon.ico file...
21:59<blal>simonrvn i dont criticize ur boring lifestyle
21:59<simonrvn>blal: you typing from a cell phone or something?
21:59<Bushmills>ehm .. phill i mean
21:59<abrotman>phill: well .. that's easy "touch /path/to/favicon.ico" that it's whining about
21:59<abrotman>phill: but that's not a segfault worthy error
22:00<phill>abrotman that's what I thought, but I'll touch it, thks
22:00<blal>simonrvn : i accidentally the whole fleshlight is that bad?
22:01<blal>the whole thing
22:01<Bushmills>ik remember a problem with segfaulting apache several months ago. segfaulted on apache2ctl status
22:01<Bushmills>that command was used in the init.d apache2 script
22:01<amphi>is it Sunday somewhere?
22:01<abrotman>amphi: jupiter
22:01<simonrvn>it is. now. right this second.
22:02<blal>simonrvn : #include "moar_lulz.h"
22:02<abrotman>blal: stop
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22:02<blal>simonrvn : oops, should be #include <moar_lulz.h>; its not a local file; been doin Java these days
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22:02<phill>thks, everyone, unfortunately my time is up, bye
22:02<simonrvn>it's ok, i'll just ignore the nonsense
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22:03<twerk^>really nobody on #debian knows where to download woody?
22:03<abrotman>!cd archive
22:03<dpkg>A repository of older(unsupported) CD images can be found at
22:03<simonrvn>why do you want to get woody?
22:03<blal>twerk^ : u can get woody packages ...
22:03<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
22:03<blal>right thar
22:03<abrotman>blal: i think you want #debian-offtopic
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22:04<blal>abrotman : ive moved back on-topic coz i felt liek it
22:04<Bushmills>twerk^: the charles babbage foundation museum could have a set
22:04<blal>Bushmills : pretty much.
22:05<twerk^>archive only has packages
22:05<twerk^>no isos
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22:06<abrotman>twerk^: the bot said about 15 lines up
22:06<blal>twerk^ : lies! see dpkg's comments
22:06<Bushmills>twerk^: if gentoo boots, as you say, you might want to try (gentoo based) rescuecd iso, and debootstrap from that one
22:06<blal>twerk^ prolly isnt the iso u want but its close
22:07<blal>twerk^ : do what Bushmills said
22:07<Duk_work>alright.... question, are /dev node files saved through reboots?
22:08<Bushmills>iso is about 170 mbytes
22:08<abrotman>Duk_work: with udev, no
22:08<stew>Duk_work: these days most people are using udev, which means they are not
22:09<Duk_work>is the that grub installs needed?
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22:09<twerk^>bushmills: the only way i was able to get gentoo to work was boot the live cd and use emerge to compile a kernel, then chroot to allow support to the controller
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22:09<twerk^>took like 2 days
22:09<Duk_work>twerk^: i've never had a gentoo system not boot up on the first time
22:10<blal>twerk^ better get crackin'
22:10<Duk_work>lfs for that matter
22:10<twerk^>duk_work: it will boot, but the problem is my scsi controller
22:10<Bushmills>twerk^: well, if you want to give it a shot, i think it is this one:
22:11<twerk^>i dont even know where i'd find the kernel patches for this harware that will actually work
22:11<twerk^>most likely anything i find will be what is already in use in etch/lenny right?
22:11<blal>twerk^ : ask the author of that article u found
22:11<twerk^>i think its pretty old...
22:11<blal>twerk^ : not necessarily
22:12<Bushmills>twerk^: i had systems using the aic7xxx module too, but found them pretty unproblematic
22:12<blal>twerk^ : oddball hardward doesnt necessarily make it into mainstream kernel
22:12<abrotman>it's not oddball
22:13<twerk^>bushmills: did etch detect it right off the bat?
22:13<blal>abrotman what do u know?
22:13<abrotman>i know how to spell "you"
22:13<blal>abrotman u
22:13<Bushmills>twerk^: those systems were pre-etch
22:13<Bushmills>actually, pre-potator
22:14<twerk^>i know. seems strange that nobody would notice or fix this... its common hardware isnt it?
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22:14<twerk^>among pro-sumer server stuffs
22:14<abrotman>twerk^: have you tried playing with the SCSI bios settings?
22:14<blal>twerk^ whats the name lspci says for your SCSI controller?
22:14<twerk^>abrotman: theres not much to play with on this
22:15<abrotman>twerk^: and the system bios? you might need to set a delay in the bios
22:15<enouf>there;s scsi_config or _id startup files somewhere in /etc/
22:15<blal>twerk^ : dude, ur gettin a Dell
22:15<twerk^>its in the detection of the drives. when i tell it to use the aic7xxx drive it kicks me back pretty quick with no resulty
22:16<twerk^>inside the text mode installer
22:16<twerk^>perhaps theres a command i could run in tty2 to load the driver so the drives are just detected??
22:16<enouf>rgrep -l scsi_id /etc/ | xargs
22:16<abrotman>twerk^: tried expert mode with lenny?
22:16<enouf>/etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent.rules /etc/udev/persistent.rules /etc/scsi_id.config
22:16<enouf>oh .. nm
22:16<twerk^>abrotman: nope.
22:17<enouf>twerk^: try BOOT_DEBUG=3 and any messages on alt-f4
22:17<Duk_work>why do i get the feeling that i should delete my /boot/grub/ file?
22:17<stew>twerk^: what exactly happens when you load the aic7xxx driver?
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22:17<stew>Duk_work: why would you?
22:17<blal>enouf : ur thinking of something else
22:17<Duk_work>because grub is giving me an Error 2
22:17<blal>Duk_work delete it
22:17<stew>Duk_work: how did you install grub
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22:18<stew>blal: why should he delete it?
22:18<Duk_work>i just now did the grub-install thingy
22:18<Duk_work>i doubt it will come up
22:18<blal>stew for teh lulz
22:18<abrotman>Duk_work: what is the error you get?
22:18-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:18<stew>blal: what?
22:18-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by abrotman
22:18<Duk_work>Error 2 from grub
22:18-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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22:18<stew>Duk_work: did you run update-grub?
22:18<abrotman>and the gentoo wiki with all the fancy grub errors .. is gone
22:18<Duk_work>no, but there is no new kernel
22:19<Duk_work>abrotman: the gentoo wiki went down
22:19<Duk_work>hosting issue
22:19<abrotman>i know
22:19<Duk_work>their stage 4 docs are priceless to a sys-admin
22:19<enouf>the grub manual has all that
22:19<stew>Duk_work: you need to run update-grub
22:19<twerk^>the wiki going down is the reason i'm trying to load debian
22:19<abrotman>he may want to try to boot grub with UUIDs instead of device names
22:20<dpkg>i guess uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name.
22:20<abrotman>course .. i guess that implies a bootable system to get the UUIDs
22:20<abrotman>2 : "Selected disk doesn't exist"
22:20<abrotman>This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full filename refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system.
22:21<Duk_work>system runs.... but UUIDs don't work if the device nodes aren't there
22:21<Duk_work>which they aren't
22:21<enouf>Duk_work: any LVM or device-mapper involved?
22:21<Duk_work>not as far as i can tell
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22:22<blal>7 proxies
22:22<enouf>why isn't your initrd and udev creating /dev/ nodes?
22:22<Duk_work>blal: why are you proxy'ing?
22:22<Duk_work>it doesn't get to that point
22:22<Duk_work>this is a fresh untar of a tarballed system
22:22<abrotman>Duk_work: it just stops with the grub error ?
22:23<Duk_work>thats why i figure i delete the and let grub just guess
22:23<Duk_work>only one drive in the system
22:23<Duk_work>can't really guess wrong
22:24<Duk_work>wow... that took all the air out of the room
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22:26-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@] by abrotman
22:26-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
22:26<blal>ah, nao i can rejoin the #
22:27<blal>Duk_work : just do it
22:28<Duk_work>why does abrotman keep getting banned
22:28<Duk_work>oh, nm
22:28<blal>Duk_work : lol, no hes using bots to ban sum1 else
22:28<Duk_work>reading it backwards
22:28<blal>Duk_work : im the one gettin banned
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22:28<twerk^>how does I load expert mode?
22:28<Duk_work>he keeps banning you and you keep jumping to another proxy?
22:29<abrotman>twerk^: hit F1 when the installer starts .. it should give you the optoins like "expert" or "expertgui" etc
22:29<blal>Duk_work :'m_Behind_7_Proxies.jpg
22:29<Duk_work>for me, you would have to start banning entire class b's....
22:30<twerk^>spouting memes... shameful.
22:30<Duk_work>imma save that one
22:30<blal>twerk^ : what u dun like /b/?
22:31<stew>blal: keep it on-topic
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22:31<blal>stew : yes massah
22:31<Duk_work>stew: good luck banning him for that though....
22:32<stew>Duk_work: keep it on-topic
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22:32<stew>Duk_work: can you show us your menu.lst ? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
22:33<Duk_work>i will, just as soon as the tech i left in charge of testing it brings the system either back up, or back onto a livecd
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22:34<kva>hello, all
22:35<blal>oh hi kva
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22:35<kva>I need help ;-)
22:35<blal>!ask rofl
22:35<kva>I have siemens amilo 2707 with atheros wifi card
22:36<blal>damn. trying again.
22:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:36<kva>it is supported by madwifi
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22:36<kva>to activate it I need to press fn-f1 and it is not supported by acerhk
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22:36<kva>any ideas what to do?
22:37<blal>kva: ouch
22:37<Duk_work>that should be a hardware switch.... not a softare one
22:37<kva>it's hardware switch...
22:38<kva>even in vista installed by default I have to activate the card each time after reboot
22:38<kva>in bios it's activated
22:38<Duk_work>check the bios config, there might be an option to always have it on at boot
22:38<blal> doesnt say anything about an "amilo 2707"
22:39<kva>there's only option to disable it
22:39<blal>kva: what Duk_work said
22:39<Duk_work>have you checked everywhere imaginable? these companies like to hide things
22:39<kva>it talks about amilo there
22:39<twerk^>kva: ive seen this a few times with newer laptops
22:39<blal>kva: ??? u mean theres a setting for "disable the wlan card" with "yes" and "no" settings and the card will only work if its set to "yes" and you manually bring online on boot?
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22:40<twerk^>its a last resort, but a toshiba i put ubuntu on recently needed pins taped off on the minipci-e card
22:40<Duk_work>taped off?
22:40<twerk^>no lie
22:40<kva>I tried latest ubuntu
22:40<blal>kva: amilo yes, amilo 2707 may not be same as the other amilo models listed
22:40<twerk^>i was shocked
22:40<kva>well, I tried to found another solution but found only acerhk
22:40<twerk^>duk_work: theres software for some of the new minipci-e cards that will only work in windows to turn the radio on and off
22:41<twerk^>they're controlled by shorting pins i believe 11 and 13
22:41<Duk_work>wow... amazing
22:42<Duk_work>this guy is taking too long, i'm gonna resort to drinking
22:42<kva>I have no ideas what to do to enable the card
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22:42<kva>trying that, I'll be back (c)
22:42<twerk^>be CAREFUL
22:42<twerk^>i said last resort
22:43<Duk_work>oh GOD
22:43<blal>"fuck it, its under warranty"
22:43<twerk^>i exhausted my resources before i went for that
22:43<Duk_work>either he is going to kill himself, or his laptop
22:43<Duk_work>or both
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22:44<twerk^>"computer nerd found dead on basement floor with screwdrive in hand" "he just wanted to get his wireless working" his mom told reporters
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22:44<twerk^>oh man
22:44<Duk_work>"police are investigating possible foul play through irc"
22:44<Duk_work>he's dead
22:44<twerk^>hes actually doing it
22:45<twerk^>it actually did work for me on a toshiba
22:45<blal>inb4 internet terrorists, hackers on steroids
22:45<blal>whats sellotape?
22:45<Duk_work>twerk^: just remember, stupid suggestions kill
22:46<twerk^>no its actually the only solve on new laptops
22:46<blal>is it easy to find? if not, maybe hell be safe
22:46<twerk^>that or clear nailpolish
22:46<twerk^>until drivers are written for *nix that support those software functions
22:46<blal>see also winmodem
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22:46<twerk^>ya this thing is NOT accepting my aic7899 at all
22:46<Duk_work>whats the reason they just don't put a little button/switch on that sucker?
22:47<Duk_work>twerk^: what are you running now?
22:47<twerk^>theres nothing on it.
22:47<stew>twerk^: what happens when you load the aic7xxx module?
22:47<twerk^>i was able to wipe the partition with that dell disc
22:47<blal>Duk_work : im guessing $$$. methinks there are big parallels between this and the winmodem trend a few years back
22:47<blal>(a few? am I that old?)
22:47<twerk^>hold on i'll reboot and modprobe it
22:47<Duk_work>twerk^: did the gentoo live cd pick it up?
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22:47<twerk^>never tried it
22:48<twerk^>i'm running low on discs
22:48<Duk_work>. . .
22:48<twerk^>no dvd drive... only cd
22:48<Duk_work>i use gentoo minimal cd's as rescue discs
22:48<twerk^>havent bought cds in like a year
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22:48<stew>twerk^: which version of debian are you trying to install?
22:48<twerk^>stew: i dont care anymore
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22:49<twerk^>ive tried etch, lenny
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22:49<stew>twerk^: what do you mean? you mean you no longer want to install debian?
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22:49<twerk^>brb modprobing
22:49<Duk_work>stew: no, he just doesn't care
22:49<Duk_work>keep him away from firearms....
22:49<stew>Duk_work: doesn't care about what?
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22:50<blal>stew : hit page-up a bunch to get the back story on his server hardware problems
22:50<kva>well HAL doesn't support card with MAC 0xE2
22:50<stew>blal: i have
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22:50<blal>then all's well
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22:50*blal afk
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22:51<twerk^>modprobe aic7xxx runs fine
22:51<twerk^>no error
22:51<twerk^>lcpci says its there
22:51<abrotman>does dmesg show the drives?
22:51<stew>twerk^: ok, so what exactly is the problem?
22:51<blal>twerk^ : doesnt mean it detect.... ????
22:51<twerk^>stew: the drives cannot be detected by the installer
22:51<blal>twerk^ what abrotman said!
22:51<stew>blal: not necessarily
22:51<Duk_work>twerk^: or they are labeled weird
22:51<twerk^>the drives could be detected by that weird dell server install disc for woody
22:51<stew>twerk^: check dmesg, see if there are warnings or errors
22:52<twerk^>checking dmesg
22:52<Duk_work>and lsmod to check that it wasn't silently unloaded
22:53<kva>that's from dmesg
22:53<twerk^>sda: unit not ready
22:53<twerk^>and some timeouts
22:53<kva>I am from another laptop
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22:54<stew>twerk^: sounds like perhaps a hardware problem? when was the last time you were able to talk to this drive?
22:54<kva>ath_pci = INT A disabled
22:54<twerk^>earlier when i used this disc
22:54<abrotman>aic7xxx has a few module options
22:55<stew>twerk^: what kernel version are you using now?
22:55<twerk^>im not.
22:55<blal>stew : that kernel has lots of patches. twerk^ needs special patches to get quirky hardware to work. hes in denial
22:55<twerk^>i am.
22:55<twerk^>ok ok fine im downloading woody
22:55<Duk_work>dear god
22:55<twerk^>read the link i just pasted
22:55<stew>blal: which patches?
22:56<twerk^>it does NOT work with sarge like it claims, nor etch
22:56<blal>stew : read the URL, get the author's email addy and ask him
22:56<stew>blal: how do you know that the kernel has lots of patches?
22:56<stew>twerk^: what kernel are you using now?
22:56<blal>stew : intuition + a user comment suggesting he "use a standard kernel instead"
22:57<twerk^>stew: i have no os installed at present
22:57<twerk^>that dell disc allowed me to wipe the partitions
22:57<stew>twerk^: then how did you run modprobe?
22:57<blal>stew : and not lots. quantity != quality.
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22:57<twerk^>tty2 on the lenny disc
22:57<stew>blal: i don't think this is a patched kernel
22:58<blal>stew : im ok w/ that
22:58<twerk^>biab - gotta run out for smokes
22:58<blal>biab work
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23:00<stew>blal: it says that after installing to bulid a kernel, and points you here: which says nothing about patching except for 3ware support which would have nothing to do with the adaptec controller
23:00<stew>and it seems like if patching was required to use the adaptec controller, that wou.ld be mentioned
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23:02<rgr>I am unable to use the -display option in debain lenny mplayer to make it display on my other display. Anyone here had any luck with it? I get the following error "FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)."
23:04<redDoTT>any recommendations on good ftp server for debian?
23:05<abrotman>vsftpd or proftpd
23:05<rgr>proftpd has a nice gnome front end too. Dont know about vsftpd.
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23:11<Duk_work>it's working now
23:11<Duk_work>. . .
23:11<tcsetattr>rgr, what else does it say before the generic "Could not initialize" error?
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23:12<redDoTT>how do i get the gnome front end for proftpd?
23:13<rgr>tcsetattr: do you use multi x screens and display it on another? I wonder if my command line is correct? "-display localhost:1" as an option.
23:13<Duk_work>stew: alright, i installed grub the 'debian' way with grub-install, and it's back up and running....
23:13<Duk_work>not sure what it did that was different...
23:14<Duk_work>so, what is the debian way of setting up interfaces?
23:14<Duk_work>eth0 and 1
23:14<stew>Duk_work: man interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces
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23:15<meoblast001>hi... i have and apache is only displaying 2 files while in reality there are many more.... i set read access on all those files to other
23:15<tcsetattr>rgr, localhost:1 may cause it to use TCP instead of the unix-domain socket.
23:15<rgr>tcsetattr: lost me there. Its the same machine.
23:16<Duk_work>stew: hehe... looks like the tech did it for me already...
23:16<tcsetattr>rgr, have you tried any other programs besides mplayer? like run "xterm -display ..." to see if it shows an xterm there.
23:17<tcsetattr>-display :1 would make it use the unix-domain socket. the TCP socket may be disabled as a security enhancement
23:17<rgr> xterm -display :1 say cant open display
23:17<tcsetattr>well then I'd say you don't actually have a second display running :)
23:17<rgr>even though I am looking at it now?
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23:18<tcsetattr>be aware: "screen" and "display" mean different things in X.
23:18<tcsetattr>a screen is just a screen. a "display" is the combination of a keyboard, and a pointer device (mouse), and at least one screen.
23:18<rgr>tcsetattr: A lesson learnt there. OK. Then I need to ask how to display on other x screen. Can I do this.
23:18<meoblast001>apache must have broke
23:19<tcsetattr>-display :0.1 would be the second screen of the first display
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23:19<rgr>tcsetattr: you god! xterm works - hold on ...
23:19<tcsetattr>it's possible to have multiple displays running on a single physical screen, if theyre' on separate virtual consoles (one on ctrl-alt-F7 and one on ctrl-alt-F8, for example) - which is what I thought you were doing originally
23:20<rgr>tcsetattr: and so does mplay! Thanks. It was a syntax thing. very hard to find in google too.
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23:21<rgr>A shame kaffeine seems to be the only "complete" media solution though, player is a but finicky with DVDs :-(
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23:21<meoblast001>there's nothing special about these files... apache just doesnt want to display them
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23:22<tcsetattr>for more of the basic vocabulary lessons that might prove useful see the intro man page for X11: man 7 X
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23:31<meoblast001>apache sux
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23:49<twerk^>hey guys
23:49<twerk^>back with an update
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23:49<twerk^>turns out drive is fail.
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23:50*twerk^ hangs his head in shame
23:50<twerk^>thanks for all the help.
23:50<twerk^>its goin now
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23:59<rgr>tcsetattr: I actually knew that but used wrong terms because of the display parameter and the scarcity of examples. Now its hammered in. Just got Kaffeine working too on other screen. Pity I cant find a way for it to start the dvd automatically - at the moment it tries to quickly and gets "media not found errors" since the dvd has not spun up properly. Oh well.
23:59<rgr>thanks again
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