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---Logopened Fri Nov 14 00:00:50 2008
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00:27<LL00>what differences about linux-image-2.6.26 and linux-image-2.6.24-1 ?
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00:27<LL00>with expert mode you can select one of them
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00:29<chealer>LL00: one if Linux 2.6.26, the other is Linux 2.6.24
00:29<LL00>not 2.6.24 sorry
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00:30<bossgane>is it possible to make gtalk in debian
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00:33<chealer>bossgane: what do you mean by "to make gtalk"?
00:33<LL00>chealer, s/24/26
00:34<bossgane>chealer, voice chat application of google
00:34<bossgane>chealer, i want to use application gtalk in debian
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00:35<LL00>it's gmail web site, just use web browser
00:35<LL00>or you mean install gtalk server?
00:35<LL00>jabber server
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00:36<LL00>as gtalk client, you can use pidgin too
00:37<GuilhermeCunha>gtalk use jabber server
00:37<chealer>bossgane: as far as I can see, there is indeed no native version of Gtalk for GNU/Linux, but you can presumably use it via a browser.
00:37<bossgane>chealer, can you tell me that procedure
00:38<LL00>with your browser and url :)
00:38<GuilhermeCunha>psi is a client to gtalk
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00:39<chealer>bossgane: I don't know the procedure for the Web client, but if you want to use a XMPP client, start by choosing which one.
00:40<LL00>how you use gtalk right now?
00:40<LL00>it's same on linux or on windows OS
00:41<LL00>did you already use gtalk?
00:42<bossgane>chealer, which web site i have to use
00:42<LL00>you can do same thing with debian
00:42<bossgane>i used on windows right now im using debian
00:43<LL00>with X server or you can do it with command line XMMP client too :)
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00:43<chealer>bossgane: apparently , but LL00 seems to know better than me
00:43<LL00>you have firefox on debian
00:43<bossgane>LL00, yes
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00:46<LL00>oh the gtalk application, use psi or pidgin on linux or gtalk application though wine
00:46<LL00>I alway use it with
00:46<bossgane>how to use it with
00:46<bossgane>LL00, do you have any procedure
00:47<LL00>just login
00:47<bossgane>LL00, yeah its firefox only
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00:47<bossgane>LL00, ok just a sec..
00:47<bossgane>LL00, yeah
00:47<LL00>you login and there is gtalk widget
00:47<bossgane>LL00, what to do now
00:48<LL00>at left part
00:49<bossgane>nothing like that
00:49<LL00>or you can install psi or pidgin
00:49<bossgane>LL00, pidgin already installed
00:49<LL00>at left part you have all your buddies
00:50<LL00>you can chat with them
00:50<bossgane>LL00,i am asking for voice chat
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00:50<LL00>on the top you have new feature video chat
00:51<LL00>but with pidgin you can't use voice
00:51<LL00>neither video
00:51<LL00>I don't think psi supports voice and video
00:51<bossgane>LL00, this i knew
00:51<bossgane>i did the mail chat
00:52<bossgane>LL00, i want to do voice chat
00:52<LL00>oh no, goggle didn't make for linux the plugin for video yet
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00:52<bossgane>chealer, your link i alreay saw it is only for windows
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00:52<LL00>I don't know about it for voice and video on linux
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00:52<LL00>maybe someone else
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00:52<LL00>I use for chat only not voice or video
00:53<chealer>bossgane: did you click on "Launch Google Talk Gadget"?
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00:54<LL00>XMMP voice not fully support on linux, that's what I know last time check it
00:54<bossgane>chealer, yeah it is asking adobeflashplayer pkg
00:54<chealer>bossgane: you'll need a Flash player to acces Gtalk via a browser
00:54<LL00>psi developpenning voice supports but still experimental, alpha stage
00:55<bossgane>chealer, yeah installed now
00:55<bossgane>window is opening but the icons are not in proper
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01:52<mib_bllajh>hi sirs, i'm conducting a survey here... i'm loosing my faith on debian, it is too outdated, i'm thinking on switching to ubuntu... you guys want to share why you keep using debian,... i'm looking for reason to keep on the doobie...
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02:01<LL00>mib_bllajh, did you try Sid?
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02:04<mib_bllajh>yeah, i'm thinkin about it too,... debian stay on its philosphy...
02:04<mib_bllajh>btw whats the difference between dsfg's definition of freee and non-dsfg's free?
02:04<mib_bllajh>bcause i think as long as its free its not a big deal
02:05<dpkg>somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at, or
02:06<mib_bllajh>LL00, i fell in love with etch a year ago, but she's too old by now
02:06<LL00>you can use etch with backports
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02:20<mib_bllajh>hmmm yes... backports... looks promising, are they available in ISOs?
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02:46<LL00>is it possible to install ssh packages with no_x11?
02:47<ant_>LL00, pretty sure you can - most servers will have this sort of setup
02:48<jm_>x11 stuff is only "recommends" for ssh packages
02:48<LL00>how I install without x11 from packages?
02:48<jm_>man page will tell you how to install something without installing recommended packages
02:49<jm_>then again, for apt-get this has to be done via apt.conf options, quite annoying
02:49<jm_>(or the same options via -o)
02:49<LL00>what about with aptitude?
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02:50<Golfgeo>Hi all
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02:50<jm_>aptitude has the option for it, see the man page
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02:51<LL00>-R :)
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02:52<Golfgeo>Prepairing an exame and have a question: What other means are there to loadbalance on layer 2 than etherchannel?
02:53<LL00>lol now I need to remove ssh and all {a} packages
02:53<jm_>ssh is just a meta package
02:54<jm_>it can safely be removed
02:54<LL00>purge :)
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02:57<LL00>I'm feeling better with no x11 dependences for ssh
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02:58<Golfgeo>Never mind, got the awnser :-)
02:59<Golfgeo>Oh yea, got another one: What is the first part of a multicast mac based on?
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03:02<LL00>contructor 24bits
03:03<LL00>or you want details about these bits?
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03:04<LL00>maybe I'm wrong I don't know there si the word multicast
03:05<Golfgeo>LL00: The constructor of the ethernet card that send or received the multicast ethernet frame?
03:06<LL00>I know that adress mac is composed with 2 parts, first one is contructor ID, then number ID
03:06<LL00>24 bits and 24 bits
03:07<Golfgeo>LL00: Ah, well, I'm looking into how multicast ethernet frames relate to the mac used for those frames (as a selection methode by clients subscribeing to that multicast stream)
03:08<jm_>he probably means manufacturer with constructor
03:08<LL00>yes manufacturer
03:08<Golfgeo>I got that bit ;-)
03:09<Golfgeo>Last 23 bits of the multicast dest ip adress are overlayed on a mac adress of something... But what is that something...???
03:10<LL00>ip, frames are layer 3/4
03:10<LL00>mac is layer 1
03:11<LL00>I'm noob, I don't understand what ip, frame, multicast doing with mac address
03:12<Golfgeo>LL00: Coupling between IP's and mac's so that one can multicast between broadcast/collission domains...
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03:12<Golfgeo>i.a.w. Outside of the subnet....
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03:13<Golfgeo>I hate this stuff!
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03:14<Golfgeo>gtg people, thanks for trying anyways :-)
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03:15<LL00>so lenny will release next year? ;)
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03:29<Bushmills>!8ball will lenny be released next year?
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03:31<aptituz>damn, don't know how it was ;)
03:31<dpkg>Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released until while there are release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see
03:31<aptituz>jm_: thanks ;)
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03:32<LL00>what is wir, siyh rsn?
03:32<jm_>ask dpkg ;)
03:32<dpkg>it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
03:32<dpkg>well, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh"
03:32<jm_>please use /msg
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03:35<AndrewM>I'm having problems installing on a Sun Ultra 10.
03:35<AndrewM>any help?
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03:36<nino_q>Good morning folks; I'm hoping for some help with 6to4 tunnel setup; I setup tun6to4 interface according to howto, when I run 'ping6', I can see responses coming back on eth0 (tcpdump), but no responses on tun6to4 interface; proto 41 is accepted on eth1 in iptables
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03:38<AndrewM>I netboot the kernel, but then I get an "invalid mode" message displayed on my monitor, and can't ping the system.
03:39<LL00>netinstall with PXE?
03:39<jm_>AndrewM: you should be able to specify a valid mode with kernel parameters
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03:41<AndrewM>LL00: I'm following the directions for a rarp and tftp boot
03:42<LL00>sorry I don't have sun ultra and never try net install, I just tried LTSP :)
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03:43<AndrewM>jm_: Any suggestions on what mode to try? I can access the OBP just fine.
03:43<jm_>AndrewM: try vga=ask and check if it gives you a list
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03:46<telenieko>Hi ppl. I updated some gnome related packages yesterday and now my keyboard is mad... AltGR, arrows, and some other keys act as "Enter", the Windows key doesn't do anything..
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03:46<telenieko>Any clues¿
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03:48<AndrewM>jm_ vga=ask dosen't help.
03:48<jm_>AndrewM: does it ask you at all?
03:49<AndrewM>jm_: no, my monitor just goes right to the invalid mode display.
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03:51<jm_>AndrewM: where did you find the kernel?
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03:52<nino_q>Good morning folks; I'm hoping for some help with 6to4 tunnel setup; I setup tun6to4 interface according to howto, when I run 'ping6', I can see responses coming back on eth0 (tcpdump), but no responses on tun6to4 interface; proto 41 is accepted on eth0 in iptables
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03:58<LL00>why my motherbard NIC is setup with allow-hotplug ?
03:58<LL00>should I use allow-hotplug or auto for static interfaces config?
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04:02<jm_>AndrewM: ahh it's different for sparc
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04:02<AndrewM>jm_ : had to pass the kernel paramter atyfb=off, that fixed it.
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04:03<jm_>AndrewM: yeah I was looking for a kernel config but can't find it
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04:36<sheldonh>amazing how you can let things slide. just adjusted my konsole font default after 2 years of increasing it for just about every session i open. what a relief :)
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04:37<sheldonh>computers should watch the stuff you repeat and periodically say "i notice you do that a lot. i can't automate it for you, but maybe you wanna think about doing it yourself?"
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04:48<sheldonh>it's possible to create ext3 filesystems with options such that they can't be resized online. i think there were two things that could be missing that would affect this. anyone remember?
04:49<jm_>sheldonh: it has an option to reserve enough space for a resize, you mean that?
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04:49<jm_>two options for that
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04:50<sheldonh>jm_: ah yeah. and i see from tune2fs that if you clear the option on filesystem create, you can't add it back later. stupid begets stupid :)
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06:07<jerovira>i need some help
06:07<jerovira>with a hardware issue
06:08<phorce1>jerovira: so ask a question. If someone is awake *AND* knows the answer you'll get a reply. If you get no reply try again later.
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06:11<jerovira>I can see local wireless networks but cannot connect
06:12<phorce1>I'm on a box with no wireless. so I'm a bit useless. But, if you can see the networks it's most likely a software/config issue
06:12<phorce1>join #debin on, they'rediscussing someone else' wireless problems in there now
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06:23<padski>I get a 404 for
06:24<petern>lenny is not released yet, so there are no security updates
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06:27<phorce1>padski: security updates get rolled into the regular daily updates on lenny (though maybe a bit slower than stable/unstable)
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06:37<petern>one reason why you shouldn't run lenny on production systems
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06:42<phorce1>petern: but if you subscribe to the debian-security list you can usually do the security updates manually when you see the announcement if it's something you REALLY need.
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06:42<padski>petern, not sure that I follow you
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06:43<padski>anyway, I have s.d.o lenny/updates in my sources.list, and I ran apt-file update. Am I doing it wrong ?
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06:46<petern>don't know, that file doesn't exist for /etch/ either, heh
06:47<jm_>padski: s.d.o doesn't provide Contents files, does it?
06:48<padski>and apt-file doesn't know this ?
06:48<jm_>apt-file is a "dumb" script which tries to download them from all network entries in sources.list
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06:52<lorty>salut la famille
06:52<padski>just checked: on etch it doesn't seem to try to get the equivalent file.
06:52<jm_>yeah I think the version in lenny is vastly different
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07:22<temer>I just downloaded Debian and want to make sure that the .iso file and the burned cd don't contain any faults. How do I do this?
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07:22<metalqga>in terminal md5sum ****.iso
07:22<temer>Could you eloborate on that?
07:22<temer>I'm running Windows Vista
07:23<metalqga>can't help you
07:23<metalqga>you can burn the cd and then check it from the instller
07:23<temer>Ok, thanks.
07:24<Bushmills>I'm trying to find a client/server for rs232 over ethernet, to connect a serial device on one machine, and use it on another. nothing found yet - do you know of any of these kind of programs?
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07:28<jm_>Bushmills: several are in debian
07:28<jm_>ser2net sredird
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07:37<Bushmills>great, thanks jm_
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07:38<Bushmills>was googling and searching, but i think i was focussing on "rs232" as part of search terms too much
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07:55<jm_>there's also free md5sum for windows in the form of cfv, too bad it can't handle files > 2G
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07:57<metalqga>it's essential to have such a tool, I remember scraping 3 cds with a bad image of debian
07:57<Bushmills>jm_: doesn't quite look like what i'm looking for .. these seem to allow connecting a serial terminal to a machine, and connect to telnet server.
07:57<metalqga>back when I was still far from linux
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07:59<jm_>Bushmills: yeah it depends on what your target app can do
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07:59<Bushmills>metalqga: ok, that way you can detect bad images. dvdisaster also gives redundancy for regenerating them in case of errors.
08:00<Bushmills>jm_: intending to connect my old (rs232-only) gps to one machine, and read from it on another.
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08:00<Bushmills>(other machine has no rs232 connectors - alternative is getting a usb-rs232 adapter)
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08:00<jm_>Bushmills: how about using gpsd?
08:01<Bushmills>i'd need that one anyway - can that read/be read remotely?
08:02<Bushmills>oh, great, that's solve it
08:02<jm_>gpsd-clients - Clients for the GPS daemon
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08:03<metalqga>downloading from a torrent tracker is a good option
08:03<metalqga>they have some sort of hash check
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08:04<jm_>yes, md5sum
08:04<metalqga>but normal download managers don;t
08:05<enouf>(probably unrelated, but i find the work that was done to enable kernel debugging through firewire pretty nifty)
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08:07<metalqga>the best solution would be just installing from a netinst iso
08:07<metalqga>less bandwidth on the servers, and no errors
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08:14<Krazy>I'm looking for someone who have already installed ejabberd and jwchat
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08:25<Bushmills>Krazy: this stuff ?
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08:26<Krazy>in fact i tried to install jwchat
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08:27<Krazy>but i fail
08:27<Krazy>we can see each other but we can't communicate
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08:30<sheldonh>yay, permission to turn off sms notification of more than half our services *beam*
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08:31<Bushmills>"looking for someone" means you're a headhunter or such, offering a job, right?
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08:32<Bushmills>if i put you through to somebody, how much will my commission be?
08:33<metalqga>two happy meals
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08:39<Bushmills>quote "they tried and failed to set it up themselves before hiring expertise - that must be a shabby club"
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08:44<metalqga>accounting software, not professional? I've tried homebank, looks good but crashes for some reason... I'm currently testing grisbi it's stable but there is sth I don't like (still don't really know what) :D
08:44<jm_>gnucash is nice
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08:45<metalqga>i'm trying it right away
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08:52<metalqga>welcome to the bank of GNU :D, thanks for the suggestion!
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09:33<c36pop>hi is it oisssible to remove rwhod ?
09:34<Bushmills>c36pop: must be - i don't have it installed here
09:34<c36pop>ok thanks
09:35<c36pop>i thought it was from the base installation
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09:35<c36pop>but it is listening on an udp port
09:35<Bushmills>c36pop: apt-cache show rwhod
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09:39<sheldonh>metalqga: i enjoyed gnucash when i needed it
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09:41<metalqga>I'm currently playing with it, It's far better than the ones I mentioned
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09:41<metalqga>could be really useful
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10:29<paperBear>hi all. is there an easy way of telling aptitude that a package shouldnt be upgraded?
10:30<Torsten_W>aptitude full-upgrade
10:30<Torsten_W>ah, mesread
10:30<paperBear>I was going to say... lol
10:30<Torsten_W>paperBear: set the package on hold
10:31<paperBear>specifically, if i let my system upgrade virtualbox-ose-modules to the latest version, virtualbox wont work - so i need to *not* upgrade virtualbox-ose-modules
10:31<paperBear>how do i do that?
10:32<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
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10:35<paperBear>aptitude hold virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-686aptitude hold virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-686 doesnt seem to have worked - any reason why?
10:35<paperBear>oops, double pasted there
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11:14<alessandro>i need one example the iptables script simple but eficient
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11:15<amphi>alessandro: perhaps
11:16<alessandro>ok amphi tks
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11:29<pgpkeys>anyone else running rosetta@home having trouble accessing the project servers via boinc?
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11:32<gnufs>hello all
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11:32<gnufs>how can i switch a debian-based system to debian internally? (i.e. without booting to an external media)
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11:35<themill>gnufs: /msg dpkg ubuntu2debian ; but better, /msg dpkg debootstrap
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11:44<shze>i try to download the patch attached to but it returns file not found. what is the way i'm supposed to download it when a permalink isn't working?
11:45<themill>shze: try going to the real list acrhives:
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12:00<sparrow>hi, what version of gcc is now in debian lenny?
12:00<themill>judd: versions gcc
12:00<judd>themill: gcc: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch) 4:4.3.2-2 (lenny) 4:4.3.2-2 (sid)
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12:00<sparrow>great, thanks judd!
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12:01<sparrow>wait, judd is a bot?
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12:01<sparrow>judd: versions maxima
12:01<judd>sparrow: maxima: 5.10.0-6 (etch) 5.13.0-3.1+b1 (lenny) 5.16.3-1 (sid)
12:01<shze>themill, got the patch, thanks
12:01<sparrow>then thanks judd and themill :)
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12:07<sparrow>judd: help
12:07<judd>sparrow: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
12:08<sparrow>judd: help versions
12:08<judd>sparrow: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards
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12:31<artistx>Hello, I was wondering, how do I either install a live dvd that has no or hidden installer
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12:32<artistx>or better yet how can I use the DVD to Net install
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12:33<artistx>I have acces to the packages mannager as well
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12:35<metalqga>just download the netinst iso (if you are talking about debian) else ask in the appropriate forum/channel
12:35<padski>munin doesn't depend on libdbi-perl but perhaps it should ? I get "Got junk from postgres_block_read_: Can't locate in @INC". for that matter I have no pg either :-)
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12:37<artistx>hmm ah ok what is the appropriate Channel?
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12:41<padski>I'm late to the party as ever. fix is already in sid :-)
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12:42<artistx>ok so can I down load this net install using the repos?
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12:55<metalqga>hey a OO calc function that strips the number's sign? I can't remember the english word for that..... if I feed in -10 it should return 10
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12:55<artistx>metalqa I haven't any more disks to use, so I was wondering how I can do that via USB Stick
12:56<metalqga>it's easy
12:56<sttng359`cel>metalqga, negate?
12:56<fxiny>metalqga: something like abs
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12:56<artistx>I also have full access to the repositorys with this disk
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12:56<Porka>hey I have some problems with this memory stick I got, can anyone try and help?
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12:56<metalqga>lol 10x a lot fxiny
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12:57<Porka> << thats the one i got
12:57<metalqga>that did the trick
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12:57<Porka> plugged it in , mounted it, no problems..tried my favorite file system stress test. it survived for awhile, so I control-Cd it
12:57<artistx>its a debian disk but has not installer lol
12:58<metalqga>this is for you UNetbootin
12:58<Porka>then i unmounted it, and i saw dmesg got flooded, I got about few hundreds: FAT: Invalid FSINFO signature: 0x00000000, 0x00000000 (sector = 1)
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12:58<metalqga>this makes the usb key for you
12:58<Porka>so I lookedt the partition table in fdisk
12:58<Porka>here it is:
12:59<Porka>its like wtf?!
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13:02<metalqga>I wonder if kallel had this tool :D
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13:04<fxiny>who ?
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13:05<metalqga>kallel the one who had been trying to make a bootable usb for 3 days
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13:07<fxiny>metalqga: seen /. about debian on G1 and lenny installer ? i read it early in the morning so i had a very good day :)
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13:08<metalqga>yeah rc1 is ready
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13:09<artistx>eh ok I am getting confused, TMI brains over loaded, how about a simple way to link with the program that I need for doing waht the wiki says I need to do lol
13:09<LL00>oh just Dbeian Installer
13:10<artistx>eh yea only via USB
13:10<artistx>or a way to back this disk up to the HDD lol
13:11<artistx>I am on a live dvd right now, but it has no installer?
13:11<artistx>or its been hidden some where
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13:14<artistx>hmm ok how about a command line for the terminal is there a way to do that?
13:14<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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13:16<fxiny>or just check GM target price :P
13:17<artistx>found it debian installer in the repos muuhhahahaa
13:17<artistx>oops it came up with an error?
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13:28<Alba>hi i have a question... i have my HD partitioned and the partition is mounted in /home... the thing is when i want to move things from the os partition to this one, it takes ages (25 mintutes for 2gb,. ) the processor is not slow not that it's a rocket either... let's leave it in average... my fstab in pastebin : it has always been slow but i was wondering if i did something wrong or its normal
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13:28<valdyn>Alba: copying from a disk to the same disk is always slow
13:29<Alba>hmmm valdyn not when i copy in the same partition that is what i do not understand
13:29<valdyn>Alba: doesnt matter if its the same partition or not
13:29<fxiny>why defaults 0 0 ?
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13:29<Alba>fxiny, no idea i just copied the lines above
13:30<Alba>that is why i was wondering how can be such a different on speed
13:30<valdyn>Alba: check dmesg, anything unusual?
13:30<Alba>when i copy in the same partition is okay but when i change to the oher one takes ages...
13:30<Alba>valdyn, dmesg?
13:30<valdyn>Alba: copying from partition to partition can involve doing long strokes all the time
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13:31<dpkg>dmesg is probably print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents.
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13:32<Alba>i dont understand the output -.- i dont know what should i look for
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13:33<fxiny>Alba: i'd start checking #tune2fs -l /device | grep feature
13:34<Alba>while copying or just like that?
13:34<fxiny>just that
13:34<Alba>heh an error message
13:34<Alba>tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /device
13:34<Alba>Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock
13:35<fxiny>device is /dev/sda1
13:35<Alba>guess /device is /dev/s
13:35<Alba>hmmm can i paste 2 lines here or better pastebin fxiny ?
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13:36<fxiny>Alba: two lines ? should be one
13:37<Alba>hmm moment i will make the window bigger
13:37<fxiny>time to move to irssi :)
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13:37<Alba>heheh nu nu i like xchat i couldnt remember the number of the tabs i have opened
13:37<Alba>Filesystem features: has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
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13:46<fxiny>Alba: i don't have needs_recovery . you running lenny ?
13:46<Alba>yes fxiny
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13:47<fxiny>Alba: so is very bad : on my box lenny cp at more then double speed comparing to etch
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13:48<Alba>well i can assume it takes time fxiny and i have never run etch.. but 25 minutes for 2gb with a corel 2 duo processor sounds to me a bit too much
13:48<Alba>thats when i have started to think something may be wrong somewhere
13:48<fxiny>Alba: i had some problem in the past with dir_index so i removed form my home but it wasn't about speed
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13:49<Alba>im not very familiar with debian but wheni wasnt ubuntu was not THIS bad... just slow but you could bear it... now looks its getting worse
13:50<fxiny>Alba: must be something else . even my crypto box is faster then yours
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13:50<fxiny>25 minutes for 2g is too much
13:50<GoldElite>Yeah, I'm copying a 4.4GB file into it's own folder in Lenny, and I've got a 2:20 estimated time...
13:50<Alba>that's my whole point
13:51<Alba>i dont have much ram but even 10 minutes being a lot would be into 'normal' and as i said... a it's a corel 2 duo @1.66 in a lappy... shouldnt be SO bad
13:51<Alba>so i am lost :D
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13:51<Alba>copying inside the partition is okay
13:51<Alba>on each of them
13:51<Alba>problem is to move between partitions
13:52<GoldElite>Maybe I should have read the conversation more closely! :$
13:52<Alba>no problem GoldElite :))) not at all
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13:53<metalqga>the cpu usage isnt 100%?
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13:54<Alba>it is when i copy... i better dont touch anything there's a huge possibility of freezing
13:54<Alba>had to restart x before
13:54<Alba>(while copying)
13:55<metalqga>this is a problem
13:55<Alba>i know but i dont understand why... the line in fstab looks like the others...
13:55<Alba>i cannot think of anything which is causing it
13:56<metalqga>so you have the right kernel?
13:56<metalqga>and your lappy is not in low power mode
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13:56<Alba>2,6.26 i think i can recheck if needed
13:56<Alba>its plugged to the socket with "performance" profile
13:57<Alba>(rechecking both)
13:57<soyyo>aniti maghribiya
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13:58<Alba>im not sure what cpu frecuency policy means but its set on dynamic
13:58<fxiny>Alba: anyway fstab pass should be 2 >> defaults 0 2 unless i'm missing something and you can try removing needs_recovery to see
13:58<fxiny>don't actually know what needs_recovery adds
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13:59<Alba>me neither i will change that 0 for a 2.. what does 2 mean? because 1 i think it's bootable
13:59<fxiny>Alba: check if you have needs_recovery everywhere
13:59<fxiny>bootable ?
13:59<Alba>i think so
13:59<Alba>not sure
13:59<kurumin>you not speak english
14:00<GoldElite>"The root filesystem should be specified with a fstab_passno of 1, and other filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2" says man fstab
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14:00<fxiny>kurumin ; i'll send you a burp.wav asap . just check yuou mail :P
14:01<Alba>700 mb - 6 minutes
14:01<Alba>still looks like a lot to me
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14:01<kurumin>you no speak english
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14:02<Alba>and i cannot see the cpu usage but its starting to go slower
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14:08<Alba>ahaaaaaaa thanks GoldElite
14:08<Alba>anyway i know something is not quite as it should but i dont know where to start looking
14:09<fxiny>you fixed it ?
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14:13<Alba>ooooook fxiny i think it was that 2... now it copies 1.4 gb in 5 minutes.. still not a rocket but way faster (like x3)
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14:15<jpmaiden>where is my bookmarks the iceweasel
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14:17<stew>jpmaiden: ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/bookmarks.html
14:17<ranix>lol jpmaiden
14:17<ranix>nice sentence
14:17<freex>hi all!
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14:21<ucu>ranix: many people (like me) no speak the english natively
14:21<Alba>fxiny, not really sure but it has copied 1gb and a half in 7 minutes or so
14:21<Alba>so its definately better...
14:21<Alba>now i dunno if it is fixed or patched
14:21<Alba>would you call that normal?
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14:22<Alba>what was just that?
14:22<fxiny>still slow
14:22<ranix>ucu: I like English a lot, but I speak it natively. When fireigners speak, sometimes the sentence structure comes out in a way that can still be easily understood, but is very strange to my ear
14:22<metalqga>notebook hdd are generally slower
14:22<ucu>Alba: you typed those lines too fast. you can post multiple sentences in one line :)
14:23<ranix>ucu: I enjoy that a lot, it is very funny to me
14:23<Alba>sure ucu but i hit enter when i finish thinkng hehe
14:23<fxiny>Alba: just to see , try removing that needs_recovery feature
14:23<Alba>fxiny, how exactly?
14:23<ucu>ranix: yeah, our german grammar is completely different
14:23<ranix>ucu: it is fascinating
14:24<ucu>but sorry for my off-topic comments
14:25<fxiny>Alba: #tune2fs -O ^dir_index /yourdevice and then run e2fsck -vfy /yiourdevice after . -O needs_recovery will put it back
14:25<fxiny>Alba: wait
14:25<fxiny>Alba: no dir_idex but needs_recovery
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14:25<fxiny>i just copied from my notes
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14:33<Alba>i think i have something fxiny .. about the needs recovery thing but i dunno how to fix it
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14:33<jpmaiden>the new version of debian lenny 5.0 beta 1 is only live cd ....or is a live cde install??
14:33<fxiny>Alba: what exactly do you mean ? any log line ?
14:33<jpmaiden>(sorry for my english is so bad!)
14:33<Alba>hmmm no
14:33<Alba>googling fxiny i will show you sec
14:34<Alba>its for fedora but it's the same filesystem ext3
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14:34<ucu>jpmaiden: its not like the ubuntu cd, the livecd of debian is an extra project. the CD-1 of debian lenny (5.0) boots directly into an installer
14:35<ucu>or into a rescue mode
14:35<stew>jpmaiden: there is a livecd which can be used to install, but the recommended way to install lenny would be to use the netinst installer:
14:35<fxiny>Alba: tune2fs -O feaure_name adds it . -O ^feafure_name removes it
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14:35<fxiny>Alba: then you run e2fsck -vfy
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14:36<Alba>is this safe? if i lose what's inside i can shoot my head
14:36<fxiny>Alba: this is what i've done with mu dir_idex problem
14:36<fxiny>Alba: is safe yes
14:36<Bushmills>what? no backups?
14:36<Alba>Bushmills, that IS my backup
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14:36<Bushmills>better shoot yourself right away :)
14:36<fxiny>Alba: i removed dir_index and i've put it back many times for testing it
14:37<Alba>ok i will try to remove and run what you said
14:37<fxiny>never had problems
14:37<fxiny>Alba: i'm just guessing
14:37<Alba> Bushmills that partition is my backup... if that gets ko...
14:37<Alba>dunno fxiny i am really lost here i dont know even what i am doing
14:38<fxiny>Alba: in my experience nothing wrong happened removing a feature
14:38<Bushmills>Alba: what would happen if that disk breaks?
14:38<fxiny>that's what tune2sf is for
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14:38<Alba>Bushmills, nothing like a tragedy... all my pictures lost and some music.. the rest is not important
14:38<Bushmills>so relax.
14:39<Bushmills>no tragedy if it breaks
14:39<Alba>ii will just move the pictures just a sec
14:39<Alba>or a few minutes
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14:39<fxiny>dir_index is on home . never lost any data playing with it and i have played a lot
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14:41<Alba>its just the pics.. holidays with my family and so on
14:41<Bushmills>Alba: is the backup the only place where you store those?
14:41<Alba>probably all them yes
14:41<Bushmills>so you need a backup of the backup :)
14:41<Alba>i have some cd's and so on but i have never made anything systematic
14:42<Alba>hahaha i was thinking to upload it to my dedi
14:42<Alba>maybe there is safe
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14:42<Alba>but even datacenters crash from time to time Bushmills :p
14:42<fxiny>Alba: better to gpg/tarball 'em
14:42<Bushmills>more frequently, even, seems so.
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14:43<Bushmills>consume ATA disks are not rated for 24/7 operation
14:43<metalqga>that's why there is raid
14:43<Alba>you see? this is weird it has copied 700mb in 4 minutes barely
14:43<themill>!tape backup
14:43<dpkg>well, tape backup is "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds
14:43<Bushmills>and the cheap dedicated servers seem to have consumer class ATA in
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14:43<metalqga>more files get copied slower than one large one
14:44<Alba>no no metalqga that's what i said... almost 1000 files got copied faster than 700mb of film
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14:44<Alba>i am so freaking out with this
14:44<fxiny>lenny is lightning fast
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14:46<fxiny>you can alway try old tar copy trick
14:46<Alba>ok this looks like a bad joke...
14:47<Alba>metalqga, i could not tell i dont know anything about filesystems, apart of the names
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14:47<Alba>plain great, from the partition to the main disk works fine... see the other way around now
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14:50<Alba>ok guys its fixed seems that 2 was the reason of all this mess... now for that fragmentation thing you mentioned metalqga what should i do? (thanks fxiny you fixed the issue :p)
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14:52<Alba>linux doesnt have something about the disk fragmentation?
14:52<Alba>i read something about the filesystems and so on but i did not quite understood it
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14:53<egamonal>hey, is anyone familiar with eeepc?
14:53<Bushmills>Alba: yes, it has. reserved space with ext2/3
14:53<fxiny>there is no such a problem by design
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14:53<metalqga>in theory
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14:54<Alba>hmmm dont get it Bushmills any link to read? i wonder why this is so difficult sometimes.. how would reserve space help to a fragmented disk?
14:55<fxiny>there is no fragmentation in the windoze sense
14:56<valdyn>one can easily fragment ext3 filesystems
14:56<Bushmills>Alba: you don't need to. 5% have been put aside already automatically. those are used to keep fragmentation low
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14:56<valdyn>but its something some people worry way to much about
14:56<ranix>valdyn: no, defrag is very important
14:56<Alba>now i just got confused.. metalqga mentioned fragmentation? like a reason for the slowness - now therei sno fragmentation on ext3 filesystems
14:56<valdyn>ranix: no
14:56<Alba>hmmm Bushmills i see.. it just happens, right?
14:57<ranix>valdyn: the pop up windows in my internet explorer tell me I could be infected if I don't defragment
14:57<Bushmills>alba, there tends to be a bit, but usually not more than .. 2...3 % or so
14:57<metalqga>Alba I was throwing ideas
14:57<Alba>yes yes metalqga but that is the thing
14:57<valdyn>Alba: there is fragmentation, but its not usually something that matters significantly
14:57<Alba>i mean dont get me wrong i am just trying to understand a bit...
14:57<Alba>aha so now i get it
14:58<Alba>2-3% is not significative, so it shouldnt really matter right?
14:58<Bushmills>Alba: unless in very special cases, you can safely ignore fragmentation
14:58<ranix>Bushmills: you will get infected
14:58<fxiny>yes not significantly like in windows ,so who cares ?
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14:58<Bushmills>ranix: i don't have explorer
14:59<ranix>Bushmills: how do you surf the internet
14:59<Alba>i got the point now guys hehe thanks for the patience
14:59<valdyn>i doubt ntfs fragments that much either
14:59<metalqga>well I certainly don't care
14:59<valdyn>but i dont know
14:59<fxiny>it does
14:59<valdyn>people just like their defragment tools alot
14:59<Bushmills>ranix: curl | hexdump
14:59<ranix>sorry all, work is f'n hard today and I have the sillies
14:59<ranix>fxiny: I'm freakin' out
15:00<fxiny>ranix: so dont'dance : in my place it's rainix since last week !
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15:01<Alba>its rainix here today
15:01<Alba>and cold brrrrr
15:01<Alba>raining, sorry...
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15:01<fxiny>anywat you can say what you want but extfs design is far different from windows
15:01<Bushmills>have a zinc treatment
15:02<Bushmills>(good zinc treatment is: cup of hot chocolate)
15:02<fxiny>so defrag is a windows problem . windows can slow down a lot
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15:02<Bushmills>mostly a FAT problem
15:02<fxiny>and if you want just empty your partition and refill it again
15:02<ranix>zinc zinc. Still can be gained some performance from optimizing video games or sql databases on the outside of your disks, though I wouldn't care enough to do it
15:03<ranix>RAID is inexpensive now
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15:04<ranix>nor do I even defragment my Windows
15:04<metalqga>what happens when the hdd has 4 platters?
15:04<Bushmills>ranix: format c: is a kind of defrag
15:04<Alba>probably the most effective one?
15:05<Bushmills>nah. mkfs.ext3 is more effective
15:05<fxiny>i still use ext2 on my LUKS boot partition ;)
15:05<fxiny>i loved ext2
15:06<Alba>now... just a Q is like there any place to read about basic stuff? but really basic (please dont tell me the debian reference guide)
15:06<ranix>metalqga: that hdd has always had 4 platters
15:06<ranix>metalqga: does it have 4 platters still?
15:06<fxiny>firing up LDE on ext2 was soo nice
15:07<valdyn>Alba: like what?
15:07<valdyn>Alba: understanding when and how defrag is required is _not_ basic
15:07<metalqga>"Hard disks can have one platter, or more, depending on the design. Standard consumer hard disks, the type probably in your PC right now, usually have between one and five platters in them. Some high-end drives--usually used in servers--have as many as a dozen platters. "
15:08<fxiny>file system are hard to design improve and uderstand . we lost a brother on the way
15:08<Bushmills>i don't have a hard disk
15:08<valdyn>metalqga: uh?
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15:08<Alba>mm no valdyn just basic stuff about debian and linux and common things to do and problems
15:08<valdyn>!unix basics
15:08<Alba>sometimes i feel i need to learn a lot of things but i dunno where to check or read
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15:09<bozz>man should help too, always said, never heard
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15:09<Alba>bozz, i dont understand what man says most of the cases
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15:09<Alba>still trying to edit my sudoers
15:09<valdyn>Alba: why not?
15:10<oz7t>hello friends. how can i open a redhat when i not know paswoeds??
15:10<Alba>hmmm i aint no techie at all :d studied law, started digging in my windows passed to ubuntu and when i knew a bit jumped to debian... but all the parameters and the stuff ....
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15:10<Alba>i just have a really slow process
15:10<oz7t>i mean paaswords
15:10<valdyn>Alba: unix is made by and for programmers
15:10<Bushmills>oz7t: /j #gentoo
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15:11<valdyn>Alba: you can stick to the GUI stuff if you want, but if you dont, you dont get around learning simple things like bnf for instance
15:11<dpkg>hmm... bnf is Backus Naur Form, a language for creating definitions for computer languages and other command sets. See the Jargon File for a good description of how it works.
15:11<oz7t>where shall i use gentoo?
15:12<Alba>well i think that's one of the problems with it... assumes a certain level... i like it, better than windows but i would like to learn how to use it and really sometimes is hard
15:12<Bushmills>oz7t: maybe they know better about red hat on the gentoo channel, than they do on the debian channel
15:12<Alba>im doing fine but sometimes im just lost if you know what i mean
15:12<oz7t>ok i try there thnks
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15:12<metalqga>Alba all you need is to read( a lot! ) ;)
15:12<Bushmills>i think he didn't get it
15:13<bozz>think so..
15:13<Alba>yeah metalqga 2 lots actually but i wonder where... if there's like some pages you know for begginers or anything like that
15:13<valdyn>Alba: use google?
15:14<valdyn>wow, the first hit on "unix basics" is already workable
15:14<Alba>i do, but there is too many info there some too easy, some too far from me :p
15:14<Bushmills>Alba: found already?
15:14<valdyn>so, duh, alba, learn to google P
15:14<Bushmills>ehm ...
15:14<Alba>hahah valdyn that looks like a unix basic yep :P (im learning its now better than before) and no Bushmills im gonna check it out
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15:15<Alba>heheh Bushmills looks great :D
15:16<csc>Alba: ever entered "man man" as a shell command ?
15:16<Bushmills>alba, and those you can install on your own system:
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15:16<valdyn>Bushmills: linked an add site
15:16<valdyn>Bushmills: *ad*
15:16<Bushmills>or the start page:
15:16<valdyn>ops, nvm
15:16<Alba>great great :d
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15:24<tuser>hi, I installed linux-2.6.26-i-xen-686 - now I can't boot my system error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format - how can I fix this problem?
15:25<Bushmills>tuser: why xen?
15:25<ranix>tuser: that's a kernel for xen, either a hypervisor or a guest
15:25<ranix>tuser: are you using xen?
15:26<schulte>hi, is kernel-package the preferred way of building debian kernel packages ?
15:26<Bushmills>schulte: at least it is my preferred way
15:27<Bushmills>schulte: using make-kpkg
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15:29<schulte>Bushmills: used it a lot and saw a bugreport for it that the original author thought about removing it for lenny. Cannot find that bug anymore...
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15:31<AzaTht>is there any php folks living here today?
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15:34*Bushmills thinks someone with that question is probably a noob. and whoever is a "php folk" would probably send him to reading the docs first
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15:36<Bushmills>!8ball any php folks?
15:36<dpkg>I'm sure of it.
15:36<Bushmills>here is you answer
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15:36<ranix>Bushmills: harsh
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15:37<AzaTht>popped an bug aganst it at
15:37<Bushmills>thanks, dpkg
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15:38<AzaTht>!8ball did I do it right?
15:38<dpkg>I'm sure of it.
15:39<monte84>!8ball do you say anything besides, "I'm sure of it"
15:39<dpkg>I'm sure of it.
15:39<monte84>guess not
15:39<dpkg>without a doubt
15:39<monte84>wow, a first
15:40<dpkg>don't count on it
15:40<monte84>gues he is the real deal
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15:40<monte84>!8ball are you the real deal?
15:40<monte84>or not
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15:45<conscience_>hi !
15:45<conscience_>can anybody help me with an hacker?
15:46<conscience_>can anybody help me with an hacker?
15:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity.
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15:48<conscience_>i mean somebody in the past days came on to computer get in seing from firestarter, and i ty to change router pass,but the person or persons are able to enter
15:48<conscience_>about a year
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15:49<conscience_>can anybody explain me firestater ?
15:49<conscience_>so i can go to only determinated sites
15:49<conscience_>that i say so
15:49<victor>i think it only show you network status
15:50<victor>configure too
15:50<conscience_>how i can block a person?
15:50<victor>i don't know
15:50<victor>i dont use it
15:51<victor>i could see it for you
15:51<victor>wait a moment
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15:52<conscience_>i must say because you enter after i enter here and because u are awnser me and your awnsers are a litle bit strange you could be the hacker .. ..
15:52<ansgar>conscience_: How should a program block a "person"?
15:53<conscience_>no, i mean restrite ips
15:53<conscience_>in firestater are rules that i can aplie
15:53<victor>now i extend
15:53<Bushmills>no, we are all the hacker
15:54<conscience_>i must say i am a litle paranoic
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15:54<Bushmills>really? i couldn't tell
15:54<Bushmills>conscience_: but please get your terminology right
15:54<conscience_>but i mean this person is make me crazy
15:55<conscience_>i will try
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15:56<conscience_>what is outbound traffic? and inbound trafic ?
15:56<Bushmills>conscience_: "hacker= a programmer for whom computing is its own reward; may enjoy the challenge of breaking into other computers but does no harm; "true hackers subscribe to a code of ethics and look down upon crackers"
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15:57<Bushmills>contrasting with cracker and script kiddie
15:57<victor>what enter and get ou of your computer
15:57<victor>try go to Politic
15:57<conscience_>ok now i understand
15:57<victor>in the main window of him
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15:58<conscience_>i really dont know what this person goal is
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15:58<conscience_>so could be an hacker, or a crackers
15:58<conscience_>but this person is always tracing me
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15:59<conscience_>i just wish this person go away
15:59<victor>can you talk with him?
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16:00<conscience_>rigth now i am with restritive by default, withelist traffic
16:00<Bushmills>conscience_: why should blocking an ip address be any good?
16:00<conscience_>yes that is true
16:00<conscience_>but i was thinking now other wise
16:01<conscience_>like only allow to go with some sites
16:01<Bushmills>what is that person doing?
16:01<Bushmills>so don't worry
16:01<conscience_>cause i am only with withelist traffic
16:02<conscience_>how can i get ip list from sites?
16:02<conscience_>to only allow that?
16:02<Bushmills>i have no idea what you want to do
16:03<conscience_>i think also if i go to blacklist traffic on firestater the person is able to came in
16:03<Bushmills>!8ball is that right?
16:03<dpkg>I'm not sure.
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16:09<conscience_>by the way thanks
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16:14<conscience_>how i see in firefox the ip?
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16:16<darkstar2002>conscience_ see what ip
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16:17<conscience_>i would like to know what is the ip for exemple of google
16:18<darkstar2002>google has many ip's
16:18<darkstar2002>you can use nslookup or dig to find an ip of a name
16:18<darkstar2002>example "dig"
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16:19<conscience_>on terminal?
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16:22<conscience_> can you tell what is this ip ?
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16:23<egamonal>whois 74.125...
16:24<conscience_>i do not know if is an ip that i am on or could be that person
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16:24<darkstar2002>that ip is one of googles
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16:25<schulte>conscience_: could be google trying to index your web host ?
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16:27<conscience_>can you teel me what it is the program cli ?
16:28<conscience_>cause when the person get in seams to go with that program
16:28<Torsten_W>command line interface
16:28<Torsten_W>it's not a programm
16:28<Torsten_W>every terminal is a cli
16:29<conscience_>he used another "program" that i can not remmenber
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16:30<egamonal>conscience_, would you please execute "uname -a" ?
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16:30<conscience_>i dont understand
16:31<egamonal>are you a debian user?
16:31<Torsten_W>type it in an konsole or terminal
16:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
16:31<conscience_>i though i was on linuxhelp
16:32<egamonal>probably on ubuntu's irc you'll get further custom help
16:32<conscience_>when i have enter i loguin to #debian by default but then i enter #linuxhelp
16:32<conscience_>i though that i was there
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16:33<egamonal>'cos debian is the best distro (and irc channel) in the worl :)
16:34<conscience_>just one thing the person yestarday after hacking then i recived a email, strange that have a link, from a person who dont use to send me email
16:34<conscience_>could be that person
16:34<conscience_>but i am not sure
16:34<egamonal>was it sent to yourusername@localhost ?
16:36<conscience_>can i send to anyplace to anybody see if it is a dangerous email?
16:36<egamonal>i said it because the system sometimes sends emails from and to username@localhost , to notify incidences with root privileges or something
16:36<egamonal>how can an e-mail be dangerous?
16:36<conscience_>i see
16:36<conscience_>can have virus, or can allow a person to get in
16:37<egamonal>it's dangeorous if it contains some javascript or strange html
16:37<egamonal>but most of cases, the most dangeorous thing an e-mail has.. is being used for phishing
16:37<egamonal>so if you don't execute it, it does nothing
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16:37<egamonal>and if you are using linux... come on
16:37<conscience_>it has a link but i did not click
16:37<egamonal>you should give your virus privileges to be executed
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16:57<bozz>i'd like to bind multimedia keys to manage my sound volume... but i cant find any command to do that, any idea?
16:58<Torsten_W>bozz: have you tryed keytouch?
16:59<bozz>my problem isnt binding the touch but high/low my volume
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17:10<doubleface>ciao a tutti
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17:14<bozz>amixer is my answer
17:14<LimCore>hmm how to set system-wide locale something seeting, to have dates by default in the only non braindead format: YYYY-MM-DD ?
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17:18<bozz>date YYYY-MM-DD ?
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17:28<LimCore>bozz: yes
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17:28<LimCore>for example kmail uses "system locale date" so I wonder where can I set this, probably unix-user-wide settings
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17:29<bozz>LimCore, i dont know, actually "date YYYY-MM-DD" was an idea
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17:32<ansgar>LimCore: For KDE you can configure the date format in kcontrol (Regional & Accessibility -> Country/Region & Language)
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17:38<LimCore>die noob american format!
17:38*LimCore kills MM/DD/YYYY with a fork
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17:39<bozz>what have you done exactly ?
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17:40<LimCore>in kcontroll, I fixed it to be YYYY-MM-DD
17:41<bozz>kp, i ll try my way someday ( with the date command )
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17:42<LimCore>date command just shows the current date
17:43<guilherme>hi, i need to use lib allegro, i installed it at synaptic and i cant compile an example with allegro.h, i'm using g++ /home/guilherme/Documentos/C\\C++/ex.cpp -o ./test , what is wrong?? what i need to use?? thanks
17:43<stew>the current date, or any other date you ask it to show
17:45<ansgar>guilherme: g++ produces some error message I suppose? Did you also install the -dev package?
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17:46<guilherme>ansgar, no, i didn't installed the -dev can i have to install it?? they say that cant find file or directory as an error
17:48<ansgar>guilherme: guilherme: The header files are included in the -dev packages so you need to install them.
17:48<GoldElite>guilherme: What about liballegro4.2-dev? That's definitely in the repositories
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17:50<guilherme>ok, thanks i'm installig the -dev now
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17:54<conscience_>can anybody teel me what is the best firewall to install on linux?
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17:57<Bushmills>conscience_: ubuntu?
17:57<Bushmills>conscience_: define "firewall"
17:58<bozz>-su: /sbin/reboot: Input/output error... i wanted reboot because of this fs problem, argh
17:59<conscience_>its a program that control the incoming and outgoing of trafic from the internet
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17:59<Bushmills>conscience_: define "best"
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18:00<conscience_>i can not define cause i dont know what is the best
18:00<Gathond>is there really anything other then iptables/netfilter ... unless one defines firewall as frontend for manipulating those
18:00<Bushmills>neither do we
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18:00<conscience_>or how i can see what is one best over other
18:00<bozz>so i think it ll be "easy to use" :)
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18:01<Bushmills>Gathond: often, firewall is more than just a packet filter. iptables may be used as a component of building a firewall
18:01<bozz>actually i ve never used something else than iptables..
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18:02<Bushmills>Gathond: but one machine with some filter rules, based on iptables, not sure whether that can really be called "firewall"
18:02<Gathond>Bushmills: I know, but does linux really have more than the packet filter (which btw iirc can actually be made to inspect individual package content)
18:02<conscience_>can anybody say if i use this link i hide my ip always and passwords are not copy to
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18:02<Bushmills>matter of definition, i think
18:02<Bushmills>Gathond: 2.2 had ipchains. 2.0 ipfwadm
18:03<Gathond>Bushmills: well yes, current linux then:) besides those are even more only packet filters
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18:03<Bushmills>Gathond: and all versions can be used with proxies, which can be an important part of a firewall
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18:04<Gathond>depends on your definition:) I would say a proxy is ... well a proxy and not a firewall:)
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18:04<Gathond>it can be a part of the security setup though:)
18:04<Bushmills>Gathond: *part of*
18:04<Gathond>Bushmills: well not in my definition:) but as you started out with "define firewall" :)
18:04<Bushmills>just as proxies are not a firewall, are a few filtering rules not a firewall
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18:08<emil>in brasil
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18:09<conscience_>can anybody help me about security?
18:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:10<Bushmills>conscience_: iptables. and #ubuntu
18:12<Bushmills>conscience_: for non-personal setup, hire some expertise
18:12<conscience_>yeah that would be great
18:12<conscience_>can you teel me more channels like this
18:13<conscience_>i try ubuntu but just one person
18:13<Bushmills>conscience_: /server
18:13<conscience_>thanks !!
18:13<Bushmills> /j #ubuntu there
18:14<ucu>moo moo bontoo
18:15<emil>seu nome
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18:31<conscience_>it is possible that a person knows your ip router and ip computer, and with that always know when we are loguin?
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18:34<GoldElite>conscience_: It's possible to know your router IP, but without actually accessing a computer in your network they can only guess at your computer's IP -- I'm pretty sure routers can't sniff traffic.
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18:34<GoldElite>conscience_: It's possible to know your router IP, but without actually accessing a computer in your network they can only guess at your computer's IP -- I'm pretty sure routers can't sniff traffic.
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18:36<GoldElite>conscience_: In order for them to know when you're logged on, they need to be logged into your network. Theoretically, you can at least find their most public IP address from all of the computers currently (or recently) connected to yours.
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18:38<conscience_> i got a suspicious ip that is but i do not know what to do it with it
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18:39<conscience_>what is an efecient way to only go to certain sites that i allow
18:39<GoldElite>I'd guess that you could use your router to blacklist/whitelist traffic -- although if the hacker can get into your network already, they could easily restore access themselves.
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18:41<Bushmills>conscience_: this is a debian support channel, not a ubuntu channel
18:41<conscience_>can you teel me one server list besides this one?
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18:41<conscience_>or all distros are in this server?
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18:42<Bushmills> /server /j #ubuntu
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18:44<rmrf>i just installed debian and i have a internet connection. how do i set it up for debian
18:45<Bushmills>rmrf: more important to know would be, what kind of device did you get, to connect?
18:45<rmrf>its my modem and its a PPPoE account
18:46<rmrf>also dynamic ip
18:46<Bushmills>does the modem handle pppoe itself?
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18:47<rmrf>in windows i type in username/pass ands click connect
18:47<Bushmills>rmrf: sounds like modem doesn't
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18:48<Yonder>Hello fellow debian users
18:48<Bushmills>you might need to install pppoe and pppoeconf.
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18:49<Yonder>i was wondering if there was a way to turn a smart card into a way to authenticate into ssh
18:49<Bushmills>running pppoeconf should give you a dialog for your connection settings
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18:51<Bushmills>Yonder: like, storing the private key for key authentication ssh session on the card.
18:51<Bushmills>small usb stick would do for that purpose, i suppose
18:52<Yonder>can i just use the existing one?
18:52<Bushmills>if the existing one works and can be mounted, i suppose you can, yes
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18:52<Yonder>hmm how could u do that
18:53<Yonder>they are in cer format on the card
18:53<Yonder>forgive me as im new with smart cards :p
18:53<Bushmills>either change /etc/ssh_conf to look for private key in dir where usb stick gets mounted
18:53<Yonder>its remote
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18:54<Bushmills>i don't understand. you send it per mail to somebody to plug it in on your behalf?
18:55<Yonder>no im trying to use it in place of a rsa key
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18:55<Yonder>is that possible?
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18:56<Bushmills>in place of .. like, not storing the private key on it?
18:56<Yonder>well when its on the cac card it is private
18:56<shze>i tried to compile vanilla kernel with make-kpkg (as user), but i get an error,
18:56<Yonder>it decrypts after the pin is entered
18:56<shze>what's the problem?
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19:00<chealer>shze: please show the output in English
19:01<shze>chealer: do you really want me to compile the whole kernel again with LANG=C?
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19:02<shze>chealer: compiling again takes quite long...
19:02<chealer>shze: no...but I won't help otherwise. you can always ask the German channel. getting the error in English may also help you solving the problem by yourself.
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19:03<shze>chealer: ok, if you think :(
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19:05<GoldElite>shze: Isn't the error that you just don't have permission to change the file owner and permissions? Can't you "sudo make" it?
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19:08<shze>GoldElite: yeah, but i used "--rootcmd=fakeroot", and it never happend with other (older) kernels before
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19:16<rmrf>for adsl/ppoe config app it only sdhows eth1 but i neet Loopback Interface (lo) and its not on list
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19:17<rmrf>please help me
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19:20<rmrf>anyone here?
19:21<mike_>not me
19:21<mike_>man i love my eeepc
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19:21<rmrf>can you help me set up ppoe on debian?
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19:26<dpkg>i guess pppoe is Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet. "apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf" and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian. This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPoE support, in 2.4 kernels, enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support.
19:27<rmrf>i have pppoeconf
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19:28<rmrf>when i tun it i shows eth1 but thats not what i use
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19:29<rmrf>UNDER DEVICES I CAN SEE IP FOR MY CONNECT AND IT IS(sorry for caps) Loopback Interface (lo)
19:30<guilherme>i installed allegro, but now when i try to compile an example they show me an error: guilherme@debian:~$ g++ /home/guilherme/Documentos/C\\C++/e.cpp -o ./test
19:30<guilherme>/tmp/ccqAjH0H.o: In function `load_image(char*)':
19:30<guilherme>e.cpp:(.text+0x21): undefined reference to `load_bitmap'
19:30<guilherme>e.cpp:(.text+0x4b): undefined reference to `set_gfx_mode'
19:30<guilherme>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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19:32<guilherme>i installed allegro, but now when i try to compile an example they show me an error: what i need to do to correct it??
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19:32<ubuntu>Здорово братва
19:32<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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19:33<rmrf>why dnt you people help me :(
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19:35<stevecotton>guilherme: you're missing a '-l ...' option to include a library. Probably -lalleg , but I haven't tested it.
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19:35<rmrf>help me please
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19:36<blarson>rmrf: Using pppoe on lo doesn't make sense.
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19:37<stevecotton>guilherme: see info gcc "Invoking GCC" "Link Options"
19:37<rmrf>un der device manergar or w/e i says lo and below is my ip and stuff, on eth1 there is nothing
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19:38<amphi>lo should have ip addr normally
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19:38<rmrf>damn maybe it was localhost
19:39<rmrf>eth1 still doesnt have anything though
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19:39<rmrf>using ppoeconf
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19:40<amphi>I don't know anything about pppoe
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19:43<guilherme>i got a new error now:
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19:47<stevecotton>guilherme: there are more libraries needed. The example code that you're compiling should have a list (or a file called Makefile)
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19:49<guilherme>this is the file that i'm compiling , i use just allegro and stl
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19:51<stevecotton>there should be documentation with the example giving the list of libaries that you need.
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19:51<stevecotton>(otherwise it's only half an example)
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19:52<guilherme>it's just a function, just to test if the lib is ok
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19:55<stevecotton>Then it's only half an example, and I suggest starting with something that's known to compile. Have a look at the packages in Debian that depend on liballegro4.2 .
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19:58<guilherme>i've installed allegro from synaptic
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20:11<guilherme>before install allegro from synaptic have i need to config something??
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20:13<guilherme>after install allegro from synaptic have i need to config something??
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20:17<abrotman>guilherme: that doesn't make much sense .. are you having a problem with it?
20:19<conscience>can anybody teel me on firefox if there is a "place" that say what sites or ips are being connet when put a certain url?
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20:21<guilherme>i installedd allegro, but i cant compile a code using that, a got an error
20:22<Bushmills>conscience: what exactly is it what is so difficult to understand about #ubuntu being on
20:25<conscience>i was trying
20:26<stevecotton>abrotman: his example isn't linking properly because he's not telling the compiler which libraries to link against
20:26<abrotman>he didn't say that ..
20:27<abrotman>and why are you telling me?
20:28<stevecotton>guilherme: there should be documentation with the example giving the list of libaries that you need; if not, the Debian packages that depend on liballegro4.2 will have makefiles that use the right ones.
20:28<stevecotton>abrotman: just bringing up up to speed, because there were a lot of details in this channel before you joined.
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20:29<stevecotton>however, I'm failing to describe what needs to be done in an understandable way. :(
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20:37<Yonder>How do you remove kvm permanently
20:37<Yonder>When I tried installing VMWare software it kept saying kvm was installed
20:37<Yonder>I tried doing apt-get purge kvm and it still presists
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20:40<ferfactor>what is the newest version of debian now?
20:40<Yonder>5.0 i believe but its testing
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20:41<ferfactor>Yonder, lenny which version of debian is???
20:42<abrotman>ferfactor: etch is 4.0 .. lenny is not released
20:43<marco_>where can I adjust my laptop's screen default brightness? Is it possible to configure that on xorg.conf?
20:44<ferfactor>abrotman, when lenny will released?
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20:44<dpkg>Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released until while there are release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see
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20:45<ferfactor>dpkg, ohhh!!! now etch is the estable?
20:45<dpkg>ferfactor: okay
20:45<marco_>my screen's brightness changes when I start X (using the "intel" driver), is it possible to adjust a default brightness on X?
20:46<marco_>perhaps more importantly, am I asking this in the right place? ;-)
20:46<Nemoder>marco_: xgamma
20:46<ferfactor>i will install debian but defor i will downlowa de netinst image but i don't know which iso download from this page
20:47<abrotman>oh ffs
20:48<abrotman>ferfactor: the netinst from that site
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20:48<ferfactor>abrotman, but i see Cd1, CD2....
20:48<abrotman>the one that has 'netinst' in the name
20:49<ferfactor>jejejeje ok...
20:49<marco_>Nemoder: that doesn't seem to affect my screen's brightness (e.g. the one controllable with the fn keys)
20:49<ferfactor>thanks men
20:49<Yonder>hey does compiling a kernel with kvm support make kvm on?
20:50<Nemoder>marco_: oh, LCD screen? that may be an issue with acpi but I don't know how it works
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20:52<marco_>Nemoder: oh well, thanks anyway :)
20:53<path>anybody want to have fun ? :-)
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20:54<path>things look weird, I'm thinking about stop avahi-daemon
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20:55<marco_>it seems that what I really want is to know why the intel driver is sending a bigger value to /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness
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20:55<marco_>can I make a script run when X starts?
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21:06<Bushmills>marco_: scripts in the Xsession.d dir will be executed when X starts, either through display manager, or through startx
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21:08<Yonder>god damn i think im screwed
21:08<marco_>Bushmills: thanks! I'll look into that.
21:08<Yonder>i cant get kvm out of my system at all
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21:10<nathan_>does anyone ever talk in here?
21:11<dmoerner>nathan_, people talk in here when they have problems
21:11<Bushmills>!8ball does anyone ever talk in here?
21:11<nathan_>how come so many people are in here but none of you are talking?
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21:12<Bushmills>Yonder: you're the smart card guy?
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21:12<Yonder>Bushmills: not the smartest with kvm ;p
21:12<Yonder>i just removed everything to do with kvm
21:13<nathan_>blah blushe blooosh and another blooosh till oh ya then blooooosh
21:13<nathan_>blah blushe blooosh and another blooosh till oh ya then blooooosh
21:13<nathan_>blah blushe blooosh and another blooosh till oh ya then blooooosh
21:13<nathan_>blah blushe blooosh and another blooosh till oh ya then blooooosh
21:13<nathan_>blah blushe blooosh and another blooosh till oh ya then blooooosh
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21:13<tiago>hey there
21:13<tiago>can anyone tell me how to start a daemon at boot time?
21:13<tiago>I just can't remember :S
21:14<abrotman>!tell tiago about run at startup
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21:14<tiago>abrotman: it's already in init.d :P
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21:14<abrotman>update-rc.d ?
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21:14<tiago>I haven't rebooted the system yet
21:14<tiago>and I don't plan to
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21:14<tiago>thanks ;)
21:15<turban>Why system will halt at "Activating swap" and "Setting the system clock" while booting? (Debian Lenny)
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21:16<fgh>When i connect my Canon digital camera (EOS 350D) where should i look for it in /dev/ ?
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21:16<Bushmills>turban: weird nvr+clock chip?
21:16<turban>and when I using adobe reader,system will crash with dirty screen, is it a problem of video card driver problem or something others?
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21:16<amphi>fgh: syslog may say something useful
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21:17<turban>Bucciarati, what does "nvr+clock" mean?
21:17<turban>Bucciarati, sorry, it is to Bushmills
21:18<turban>Bushmills, , what does "nvr+clock" mean?
21:18<fgh>amphi: no, nothing about /dev/ something else i should look for?
21:18<Bushmills>nvr: non volatile ram. where bios settings are stored and kept. same chip also houses your hardware clock
21:19<Alex>When compiling PHP, say I want to use an extenion like ICU to internaitonalize my application. As I understand it ICU is a third party library, so I would need to first install that library on the machine, then compile the PHP extension related to ICU (intl PECL I think). Then load that module dynamically or compile that module extension into the PHP code, correct? Without using PEAR how do...
21:19<Alex>...I get the sources ready for compilation? Can I download the gzip file, copy it into the src/ext directory along with all the other PHP extensons?
21:19<amphi>fgh: perhaps it doesn't manifest as a normal block device? in which case gthumb may pick it up (by libgphoto2)
21:19<fgh>this is what i get:
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21:19<Yonder>when vmware checks does it check the kernel config or just for the application kvm
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21:20<abrotman>Alex: ask ##php on freenode i think
21:20<amphi>fgh: I'd try gthumb, or some other libgphoto2 client
21:20<Alex>Seems intl() is already available in the 'ext' directory but my question still applies, if I were to download, compile and build xdebug or something.
21:20<Alex>##php? Is that another IRC?
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21:21<bskk>hi everybody, i'd like to ask for help as a (sort of) newbie
21:21<bskk>i have installed (quite a time ago) a 64studio which is debian 4.0
21:21<Bushmills>!tell bskk about ask
21:22<bskk>thx, continuing: and from the beginning there's a problem with using root account:
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21:23<bskk>when, for example i try to run the update manager (sorry if names are wrong, i'm translating from polish), the system asks for root password and states:
21:23<Bushmills>!tell bskk about debian based
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21:23<bskk>can't start /usr/bin/update-manager as root
21:24<fgh>amphi: nope nothing in gthumb.though there is a pop-up when my cam is connected asking me if i want to import the images. so the camera is noticed by the system. but i want to brows my pictures directly from memory card.
21:24<turban>I think it's phoenix bios,and the halt happened quit few. and if I restart by pressing power button,it will ok.
21:24<bskk>bushmills: i did ask the 64studio maintainers and it "is" debian
21:25<Bushmills>bskk: if you say so
21:25<abrotman>it is not debian
21:25<bskk>i will give you their answer in a moment, when i'll find it
21:26<bskk>just a second
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21:26<amphi>fgh: I don't know much about cameras, but it seems some don't behave like a normal block device
21:26<fgh>amphi: oki, thanks anyway!
21:26<amphi>fgh: which is appalling ;)
21:26<turban>there is also a serious problem that while using the acrobread 8 for some time,the X will crash with dirty screen.Any one has met the same problem?
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21:26<bskk>q: is 64studio a debian system coherent with current (and future) debian guidelines, or rather a separate debian-derived system?
21:27<bskk>a: Standard Debian, only with a few backports to fix minor (and major) application bugs, and to add essential features.
21:27<abrotman>not debian
21:27<bskk>is that okay?
21:27<amphi>fgh: it doesn't let you browse the images on the camera if you proceed further?
21:27<amphi>a spork! a spork!
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21:28<abrotman>!spork amphi
21:28*dpkg tries to stab abrotman with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out abrotman's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful!
21:28<abrotman>oh well
21:28<fgh>amphi: nope, imports them to hdd.
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21:29<bskk>Bushmills: so what you say?
21:29<Bushmills>bskk: can you garantee that your problem is not cause by any of those "only a few backports and bug fixes"?
21:29<bskk>i'm confused :)
21:29<bskk>i can't, of course
21:29<abrotman>then ask the people that made your OS .. it's not us
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21:29<Bushmills>bskk: neither can I
21:29<bskk>okay. thanks anyway.
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21:38<cockroach>hey. anyone using xorg from experimental? it seems not to like my input devices (kbd/mouse) anymore. any ideas?
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21:50<fgh>oh, someone knows where gnome stores fonts? want to locate the "Sans" font.
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21:51<dmoerner>cockroach, newest xorg uses HAL to handle keyboard/mouse. try commenting all lines relating to the two in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
21:51<cockroach>dmoerner: thanks, just figured that out about 3 seconds ago :)
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21:52<cockroach>i'll need to have a look at HAL at some point then. in the meantime, some xorg.conf hacking does the trick..
21:53<cockroach>is this part of the "we don't want no stupid xorg.conf" plan?
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22:00<umarzuki>hi all
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22:01<umarzuki>why is that i cannot run gui stuff as root such as nvidia-settings
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22:02<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
22:03<Gekz>use gksu
22:03<MrNaz>the following line does not appear to be valid in my debian box, but it is given in the instructions for installation for mailman. i presume the syntax needs fixing for linux? useradd -c''GNU Mailman'' -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman
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22:04<dmoerner>MrNaz, -s /dev/null, -d /dev/null
22:04<umarzuki>Gekz: will i have to set the current user as sudoer?
22:04<dmoerner>there may be other problems with it
22:04<Gekz>thats gksudo
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22:04<umarzuki>i 'm mistook it for gksudo
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22:06<umarzuki>still cannot do it with gksu
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22:06<independente>alguem conhece algum canal de programação java
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22:07<Yonder>fixed lol
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22:07<Yonder>wow i guess im smarter than i though Bushmills
22:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:08<dmoerner>umarzuki, don't run gksu from a root shell
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22:09<cockroach>err. i'm trying to connect with some other client from my home ip but it seems i'm banned. who do i contact about that?
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22:09<cockroach>oh, wrong server :)
22:10<umarzuki>thanks dmoerner
22:10<umarzuki>and all
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22:38<ccg->is there any tool to merge .part files ?
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22:40<blarson>ccg-: If your part files were created by split, use cat.
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22:54<Bsims>Silly question can I use debbootstrap to move from ubuntu back to mother debian or am I better off doing a clean reinstall
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23:18<twb>In my .xinitrc (, if I change the 'clear Lock' line to run "setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps &", sometimes when I start X my keyboard repeat is off -- that is, I can't just hold <down> and have it keep sending <down> keypresses to the application.
23:19<twb>How can I isolate and resolve the problem?
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23:21<Bsims>Hrm no idea I know there is a app that records the keyboard mapping when a button is hit but I can't remember it
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23:31<bighornram>Is the command to make all files on a drive world-writable chmod -R a+rw
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23:34<z>how do u purge all directerys of removed programs.?
23:36<z> /msg dpkg etch purge
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23:47<gsimmons>twb: Do you experience the same issue when specified as an option for your InputDevice? (ie. Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
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23:47<twb>Hmm, let me create an xorg.conf.
23:48<twb>gsimmons: I suspect the problem is that setxkbmap and the other xmodmap are fighting, because they run asynchronously.
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23:49<twb>Apparently keyboard repeat *is* on, it's just a very long delay
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23:53<twb>If I do it via xorg.conf, and comment out all setxkbmap and xmodmap calls in .xinitrc, it still feels a bit slow.
23:54<twb>That might just be my imagination
23:56<twb>OK, keyboard repeat is *definitely* disabled; just now when I said "Oh!" it was because the race condition hadn't been tripped.
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23:58<twb>And if I make setxkbmap synchronous, I can't reproduce the problem (in three attempts)
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23:59<twb>Since this host doesn't need an explicit Pointer_EnableKeys anyway (it's on by default in Debian), I think I'll just disable the second xmodmap call for now.
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