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00:29<Kioob>it works :D thanks !
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02:54<reggae>hi guys, i need some help
02:54<reggae>i would like to know whether i can create a wifi access point through another wifi access point?
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03:03<reggae>i would like to know whether i can create a wifi access point through another wifi access point? (btw for debian, if so, do let me know how to set up)
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03:09<reggae>hi morgan
03:10<reggae>looking for sumtin?
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03:12<morgan`>hi reggae, no, thanks, I just say hello at morning :)
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03:13<reggae>ok...same to u too then...
03:14<reggae>hmmm.....trying to get help here...btw do u noe any channels tat i could ask questions regarding networking?
03:14<reggae>really need serious help here...
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03:18<stevecotton>reggae: what do you mean by "create ... through"?
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03:21<Zoup>can someone please help me analyze pppd output ? :
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03:39<s_i_m>Zoup, can you also show your pppd connection options?
03:40<Zoup>s_i_m: assive debug noauth modem crtscts defaultroute -detach noipdefault mtu 1500 mru 1500 novj nobsdcomp nodeflate ipcp-max-configure 30 lcp-max-configure 30 lcp-echo-interval 30 lcp-echo-failure 4
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03:41<jm_>AFAIR PPP howto has some details about troubleshooting
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03:46<Zoup>s_i_m: any idea friend ?
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03:46<boss>Hii frnds...
03:46<boss>how r u all???
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03:47<s_i_m>Zoup, hm. I cannot say anything definite. a misconfiguration on the peer side, perhaps
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03:48<boss>helloo frnds
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03:49<s_i_m>boss, morning
03:49<Zoup>s_i_m: its strange that i can connect to GPRS using another phone with same sim card
03:49<Neuwo>hello, question. What package is Beryl for apt?
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03:50<s_i_m>Neuwo, there is no berill package in the official debian repos
03:50<s_i_m>try compiz
03:50<boss>hii s_i_m
03:50<jm_>beryl has been merged with compiz a while ago
03:50<boss>wht ur telling??
03:50<Neuwo>how do I add that? (new to debian)
03:50<Neuwo>Stopped using gentoo 2 years back
03:50<Neuwo>getting back into Linux tonight
03:51<s_i_m>apt-get install compiz
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03:51<Neuwo>ya, just did =]
03:52<Neuwo>also, is e17 still a cvs install or did they ever finalize it?
03:52<s_i_m>i do not use it, so i do not know
03:52<s_i_m>look at the web
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03:52<Neuwo>doing so now
03:53<mihkel>is there anything wrong there:
03:53<mario>w from
03:54<mario> hello
03:54<mihkel>I mean those volts
03:54<Neuwo>been too long
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03:55<mihkel>I am asking this because, ca two month ago I had to disconnect one hard drive,
03:55<mihkel>because hdd's did not spin up during boot
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03:55<mihkel>so I thought PSU is failing
03:55<Neuwo>could be a PSU issue
03:55<mihkel>so no I am asking you
03:56<Neuwo>either failing or just not up to the task (not enough power)
03:56<mihkel>is my psu failing
03:56<mihkel>could be
03:56<Neuwo>everything with alarm seems to be lower than your range
03:57<Neuwo>what is the size of your PSU?
03:57<mihkel>I have not set any ranges by my self
03:57<mihkel>let me see
03:58<mihkel>it is a crappy colorsit 400W
03:59<Neuwo>how many hard drives, dvd-drives and PCI cards?
04:00<Neuwo>also, modern video card (nvidia 7 or 8 series)?
04:00<mihkel>at the moment: one hdd, one DVD, two pci cards, one agp
04:00<mihkel>it is a old box. amd thunderbird, radeon 9000
04:00<Neuwo>that's plenty power then
04:00<mihkel>it should be
04:00<Neuwo>the lm-sensors will have to be edited though
04:01<Neuwo>you have to set your own personal ranges
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04:01<Neuwo>mind you, I haven't used linux for 2 years before tonight
04:01<mihkel>how to I know those ranges
04:01<Neuwo>see above
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04:01<Neuwo>there is a way to edit them, I just can't rememebr :/
04:01<jm_>it's in sensors.conf
04:02<mihkel>that I know
04:02<mihkel>but, how to I know those ranges... I just make them up?
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04:03<mihkel>so that I see no alarm
04:03<Neuwo>nah, check your motherboard
04:03<Neuwo>check the bios
04:03<Neuwo>it usually has the voltages spelled out for you
04:04<s_i_m>mihkel, in simple cases you just find the place in that file that corresponds to your chip and then uncomment some lines
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04:06<s_i_m>in any case man sensor.conf might help
04:06<s_i_m>man sensors.conf
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04:08<Neuwo>brb, going to see if I can get e-16 loading ("SHAPE" missing on display error, hopefully fixed now)
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04:12<Neuwo>Much better
04:12<mihkel>It is a m810 motherboard, but IO can't find any entry in sensors.conf file
04:12<mihkel>...but I can't...
04:13<jm_>it has entries for given sensors chip, not for motherboards
04:16<mihkel>and sensors-detect can't detect the right sensor and edit sensors.conf file?
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04:19<jm_>why would it edit the file?
04:19<mihkel>I don't know :P
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04:27<mihkel>the are two chips that relate to it87-isa-0290:
04:28<mihkel>chip "it87-*" "it8712-*"
04:28<mihkel>and chip "it8716-*"
04:28<mihkel>the first one is correct one?
04:28<jm_>sensors command tells you which one you have
04:28<mihkel>mihkel@debian:~$ sensors
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04:56<mihkel>there is actually sensors3.conf file too
04:56<mihkel>which one is in use - sensors.conf or sensors3.conf?
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05:45<kikinovak>Hi. When a user is created on a Debian system, what group is he belonging to? Is it like Red Hat (e. g. a group identical to the username is created, with the user as a sole member)? Or is it like Slackware (e. g. user is member of the 'users' group)?
05:45<sweet>LIKA SWITY GIRLS
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05:47<kikinovak>Sorry I don't have a Debian system at hand here.
05:47<kapil>kikinovak: like RH
05:47<mihkel>kikinovak, like red hat system
05:47<jm_>kikinovak: you can configure it
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05:48<kikinovak>I'm writing a paper about UNIX user management and permissions, and I didn't want to leave anyone out :)
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05:49<mihkel>but why is it so. Is it more secure to greate a group for every user?
05:49<mihkel>why just put the all in 'user' group
05:50<kikinovak>mihkel guess it's just two different approaches. Several ways lead to Rome.
05:50<mihkel>yes, but there had to be a reason to choose one or another
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05:50<dondelelcaro>there's generally no point to having groups for a single user
05:51<dondelelcaro>the main exception is things that you want to run setgid or for daemons and such which need a group that nothing else should belong to
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06:09<[c0re]>hi i need help with grub
06:10<[c0re]>grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
06:10<[c0re]>Error 15: File not found
06:10<[c0re]>i am getting this error
06:12<simonrvn>it means it's not there....
06:12<[c0re]>its there
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06:12<[c0re]>root@c0re:/boot/grub# ls /boot/grub
06:13<[c0re]>i did this
06:13<[c0re]>ls says its there :(
06:13<simonrvn>no, the stage1 file...
06:13<[c0re]>its an encrypted file?
06:14<simonrvn>it's a binary file
06:15<[c0re]>ls says stage1 is there
06:15<Nemoder>try ls -l /boot/grub/stage1
06:16<[c0re]>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 512 2008-11-27 11:41 /boot/grub/stage1
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06:17<[c0re]>so its there
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06:17<simonrvn>looks ok
06:17<simonrvn>so grub's confused ;)
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06:18<themill>What does "file /boot/grub/stage1" say (at the shell prompt)?
06:19<[c0re]>/boot/grub/stage1: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3
06:19<mihkel>sorry to interrupt, but I have a question about those stage files too. Are they ever changed after install?
06:20<mihkel>eg I can tell when debian was install by ls-ing /boot/gub/stage*
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06:25<jm_>mihkel: yes they can change of course
06:25<jm_>[c0re]: how did you install grub?
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06:27<[c0re]>i installed grub-gfxboot
06:27<jm_>there is no such package in Debian
06:28<dpkg>hmm... sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>).
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06:31<[c0re]>so its not DEBIAN
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06:32<[c0re]>jm_, how do i restore my grub
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06:32<jm_>[c0re]: I don't know, I have no idea what grub-gfxboot is or what it does
06:32<reggae_>i need to know whether i can create a wireless access point through another wireless access point?
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06:37<jm_>I also see no point in searching for stage1 file from grub itself
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06:43<[c0re]>i restored the grab :D
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06:46<stevecotton>reggae: what do you mean by "create ... through"?
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06:49<reggae_>stevecotton: wat i meant was, i wanna create a wifi AP with my laptop
06:49<reggae_>without using ethernet but wifi...
06:50<reggae_>kinda hard to xplain, is it better if i sketch a diagram?
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06:56<stevecotton>ah I see, so you need the laptop's single network card to simultaneously be the AP for one set of radios, and be the client of another AP?
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06:56<stevecotton>I don't know the way that 802.11 works, can't tell you if it's physically possible or not.
06:57<stevecotton>BlueTooth would call it a "piconet".
06:57<ike>well, you could create a virtual eth device and have that do it ?
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06:58<ike>not that i ever got that working with wired network
06:58<reggae_>stevecotton: yea sort of, wanna broadcast some wifi to my psp's
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06:58<ike>a virtual device and ad hoc might be your best bet
06:59<reggae_>ike: how do i create a virtual eth device? am not sure if my dongle supports it..
06:59<reggae_>im using lenny beta btw
07:00<stevecotton>what prevents you connecting the PSPs directly to the main AP?
07:00<ike>im not entirely sure, i went trough that hell while fiddeling with qemu, it should be somewhere in the docs there, you would have to set your box up as a router btw
07:00<ike>i think
07:00<ike>it would make sense
07:01<buffoon_work>reggae_, you can do that with a wired network, but i don't think that you can use your wireless chip in 2 different modes simoltaneously
07:01<reggae_>ike: qemu...?
07:01<reggae_>ike: ill try seeing through it
07:01<ike>virtual machine
07:01<reggae_>ike: how bout ad-hoc?
07:01<ike>i think that would be easiest
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07:02<reggae_>buffoon_work: yeah i tried the wired one.....but not the wireless, btw i got 2 wifi adapters....
07:02<buffoon_work>ah, with 2 wifi adapters it should work
07:02<stevecotton>with 2 wiki adapters it sounds more possible
07:02<ike>then its just a matter of routing from a to b
07:03<reggae_>stevecotton: yeah i know its possible but, sadly, my wifi router lost both its antenna's making it hard for the psp's to detect downstairs
07:03<ike>should be some routing howto in a bot here right?
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07:03<ike>it lost then?
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07:03<reggae_>buffoon_work: i tried both wireless adapters but failed... i had an airport card + dlink dwa 110
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07:04<stevecotton>so, did you get as far as (laptop connected to AP) (consoles connected to laptop) (laptop not passing information between the two networks)?
07:05<buffoon_work>reggae_, afaik you cannot configure a Software AP then, configure 1st one network to connect to the AP. when that is done, set up the 2nd card manually in a different network range
07:05<reggae_>ike: my options are 1st, getting it work the way i wish to, last option would be ad-hoc....(im not quite sure upon seeting up ad-hocs)
07:05<reggae_>stevecotton: ^^^
07:05<buffoon_work>with AD-Hoc
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07:06<ike>and remember to put them on different channels
07:06<buffoon_work>reggae_, if you really want to make a Software access point you should look, if your drivers support being a software AP
07:07<buffoon_work>AFAIK only athk and prism drivers support that
07:07<reggae_>in macosx i set up both wifi adapters, making airport card as an AP provider, while dlink is a client from my existing router. However, nothing can scan my airport card....
07:07<reggae_>just can't detect at all...
07:07<reggae_>so for now i gave up on mac os, but decided to do all in debian
07:07<buffoon_work>but maybe my information is outdated
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07:09<reggae_>ike: u sure..? usually i dun very much prefer bot's details, im not pro enuff to understand it... :( ....i tried google but i did not find any relevant info i needed....mostly from wired to wireless, no wireless to wireless....but ill try ad-hoc if i had no choice....
07:10<ike>well any driver can do adhoc so
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07:10<buffoon_work>reggae_, wired to wireless and wireless to wireless should be almost the same if both networks are set up
07:10<ike>then you just follow a wired to wireless and just replace the wired with wireless
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07:11<buffoon_work>reggae_, set up both wlans first and then think about routing as routing is done quickly... (and use different channels and network ranges)
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07:14<reggae_>stevecottons: yes thats right, no info was pass between two networks....
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07:16<reggae_>buffoon_work: ok, i dun think my dlink adapter supports AP, as its a ralink chipset, but i think airport card uses prism...? guessing it could support AP...
07:16<petemc>ad hoc works fine in most circumstances
07:17<gsimmons>reggae_: Hermes. We've been over this, remember?
07:17<reggae_>ike: my brains are aching now.... :( whats the best suggestion you would suggest..? continue or skip using ad hoc?
07:18<reggae_>easier one would do, all i need is some internet connections for my psp...n ill be thanking u guys :)
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07:32<matic>Hi all. Can someone explain to me in simple words what is flushing file system buffers?
07:35<E0x>do you know what is a buffer ?
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07:38<sheldonh>how can i make "aptitude upgrade -y" fail out instead of prompting in the event that untrusted packages would be installed?
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07:43<matic>E0x, yes I know
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07:45<valdyn>matic: stuff that is sent out to disk by a program gets cached in memory first, stuff read from disk gets cached in memory in case its needed again
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07:46<valdyn>matic: flushing those "buffers" just means writing out everything in queue and just destroying the read cache
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07:47<matic>valdyn, Eox, thanks men
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07:50<valdyn>mind, buffer and cache is not the same, but depending on context one can refer to both
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08:02<sheldonh>i keep forgetting that the answers to my questions are an apt-get source away :)
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08:15<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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08:21<blockowitsch>hello. i want to create a new folder inside a folder that is not owned by my current user. the user is in a group that allows him to write inside this folder. the problem is, that the folder is create with the current user as owner (which is ok) and with the current users default group as the folder group (which is not ok).
08:22<blockowitsch>i want the new folder to be in the same group as the parent folder. whats the 'usual' way to handle this?
08:22<blockowitsch>i could of course do it by hand and call chgrp all the time...
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08:22<jm_>info coreutils -> File permissions -> Directory Setuid and Setgid explains it
08:23<jm_>or Mode Structure if you don't have that node
08:23<blockowitsch>found it, i will check it and get back if i have more questions, thx
08:24<jm_>and it's a directory
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08:25<dita_itashi>oi tem alguem ai
08:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:29<blockowitsch>jm_: chmod a+s was the solution :) cheers
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08:29<jm_>blockowitsch: indeed
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09:14<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
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09:15<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny., #madwifi @
09:15<jm_>!tell frunsk -about msg
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09:22<Bushmills>madwifi hal (formerly closed source) has been GPL'ed now.
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09:23<frunsk>Bushmills, i've compiled the sources, but i get really low signal and some drops, im asking #madwifi gurus for help :)
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09:24<Bushmills>actually, not sure about GPL. at least sources have been made available
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09:25<Bushmills>ah, no. isc license, which is similar to bsd license
09:26<Bushmills>frunsk: what wlan chip?
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09:28<frunsk>Bushmills, AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
09:29<Bushmills>frunsk: with recent kernels, i think 2.6.27 and later, no madwifi needed anymore for that one. ath5k module will do.
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09:30<frunsk>Bushmills, does the ath5k module load automatically?
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09:31<Bushmills>if the kernel has been compiled for automatic loading, yes. stock kernels are. otherwise, just include it in your modules load file.
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09:32<frunsk>Bushmills, i hope that solves the signal problem as well
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09:33<Bushmills>can't advise you on that
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09:34<Bushmills>you're running a netbook?
09:35<frunsk>Bushmills, on xp it works ok
09:35<Bushmills>is a popular wifi controller for netbooks
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09:36<Bushmills>i have the same in mine. using ath5k module with it.
09:36<frunsk>which netbook do you have?
09:36<Bushmills>aspire one
09:36<frunsk>it's the same one i have!
09:36<Bushmills>110L, the small model
09:37<frunsk>8,9" ?
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09:37<blockowitsch>hmm, i'm trying to understand and use gpg. i created my keys and need to give away my public key now. where to find it?
09:37<Bushmills>think so. small means, less RAM, no hard disk.
09:37<blockowitsch>is it pubring.gpg?
09:37<frunsk>ok besides that the devices should be the same...
09:38<Bushmills>blockowitsch: you can export them. gpg --export --ascii, i think
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09:38<frunsk>so you are using 2.6.27 and just did "modprobe ath5k"?
09:38<Bushmills>blockowitsch: no, gpg --export -a
09:39<frunsk>Bushmills, no low signal problem either?
09:39<Bushmills>frunsk: loading module during boot, not manually. but essentially, yes.
09:40<frunsk>in /etc/modules
09:40<Bushmills>frunsk: no. signal strength and quality is good. but AP is just 5 m away
09:40<frunsk>>80% signal?
09:40<ike>oh god god, is it really unipossible to extract .sit files on linux?
09:40<ike>expand rather
09:41<dr|z3d>ike: Have you googled?
09:41<ike>various solution, one including wine
09:41<ike>but im stuck as a duck there, something wrong with the stuffit thing, making the msi thing mussbehave
09:41<ike>or visa versa
09:42<dr|z3d>ike: See:
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09:42<ike>i couldnt find unstuff
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09:43<ike>it woiked
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09:45<Bushmills>frunsk: Signal level:-54 dBm Noise level=-103 dBm
09:46<Bushmills>stuffed duck?
09:47<Bushmills>frunsk: Signal level:-54 dBm Noise level=-103 dBm ... sry if repeating - my irc client didn't like default route change.
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09:47<frunsk>Bushmills, you don't use gnome-network-manager?
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09:48<frunsk>Bushmills, does your connection drop?
09:48<RosMedia>ubuntu als firewall... ?? was haltet ihr davn ?
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09:49<Bushmills>no. but i connect through a bouncer over vpn
09:49<dr|z3d>RosMedia: Try upw or Firestarter.
09:50<Bushmills>frunsk: so when i disabled the interface which added another default route, the missing traffic just came in.
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09:52<frunsk>Bushmills, i need to set this up for a ex-xp person using linux for the first time... i gotta make it easy
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09:54<Khwerz>hmm is it possible to change the tty font or resolution?
09:55<dr|z3d>Khwerz: It is. Try a tool called startup manager if you want an easy method.
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09:55<Khwerz>k thx
09:55<dr|z3d>That will allow you to change the resolution.
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09:57<Bushmills>Khwerz: setfont
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10:02<Bushmills>Khwerz: ubuntu?
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10:03<Bushmills>i suppose what dr|z3dtries to make you do is using a graphical frontend to set frame buffer mode during boot ...
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10:04<Bushmills>(which you could have by simply adding a few chars to the kernel command line)
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10:05<Bushmills>but i think he neglected to ask whether you're running frame buffer console at all...
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10:07<Khwerz>which are?
10:07<Bushmills>vga=0x314 or vga=0x315 kernel pars should do 800x600, 16 and 24 bit colors
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10:08<Bushmills>but if you run frame buffer, you might just as well look at fbterm
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10:09<Khwerz>hmm looks too complicated and i dont wanna run into troubles...
10:09*dr|z3d defers to Bushmills
10:09<dr|z3d>Startup manager it is, then.. see if that works for you ;)
10:09<sheldonh>hmmm. can i limit the scope of Aptitude::CmdLine::Ignore-Trust-Violations=true to just one repo?
10:09<Bushmills>Khwerz: then setfont is the command to set font
10:10<Bushmills>and do apt-cache show startupmanager to see whether that is what you asked for
10:10<Khwerz>i dont happen to have that
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10:12<Khwerz>setfont i mean
10:13<Bushmills>comes with package kbd
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10:15<frunsk>Bushmills, where did u get 2.6.27 from if i may ask?
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10:16<Bushmills>Khwerz: more console fonts are in package console-data
10:17<frunsk>Bushmills, no deb packages?
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10:17<Bushmills>frunsk: no, just vanilla sources
10:17<frunsk>i guess u can create it if u want to
10:18<Bushmills>that's the normal way to compile and install a kernel in debian
10:20<Khwerz>hmm ok well thx bush ill give it a try
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10:23<sheldonh>i'm trying to cause an aptitude upgrade to refuse to downgrade anything. i hoped "-o DPkg::Options=--refuse-downgrade" would work. any other guesses?
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10:31<Khwerz>hmm i tried something else and it worked
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10:32<dr|z3d>Khwerz: Let us into the secret? ;)
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10:32<Khwerz>i set in grub vga=791
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10:32<dr|z3d>Magic :)
10:32<EmleyMoor>is there an app in Debian that will let me type onto a PDF?
10:33<Bushmills>same as vga=0x317
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10:33<Bushmills>giving mode in decimal rather than in hex
10:33<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: You might want to try Xara.
10:33<Khwerz>err i preffer decimal
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10:34<EmleyMoor>Looks lixe extreme overkill for what I need
10:34<februariusxpc>i would i remote desktop view vboxheadless if i used were i use paramater for nic is netifdev1 vbox0??
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10:36<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: May well be, but then, you might just like it :)
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10:38<EmleyMoor>I'm not messing about with something that isn't in Debian right now - but will consider it
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10:41<magyar_>hi, is therer a package that replaces "libmime-encwords-perl" in etch
10:41<tzafrir_laptop>EmleyMoor, something based on pdftk?
10:41<tzafrir_laptop>kword is also supposed to be able to "open" PDFs
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10:42<tzafrir_laptop>There should be one or two others
10:42<EmleyMoor>Gimp would do if I could make it move my text instead of the background
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10:43<metalqga>emleymoor use the layers
10:43<themill>EmleyMoor: pdfedit might be what you want
10:43<EmleyMoor>What I really need is something to make a page from a pdf the "background" and give me free placemebt of text thereover
10:44<EmleyMoor>metalqga: How do I tell it "move text" rather than "move background"?
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10:46<metalqga>choose the text's layer
10:46<metalqga>haven't tried with pdfs though
10:47<EmleyMoor>That's the problem - I can't see how to choose
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10:48<metalqga>if you can move only the bkgrnd then you can definately move the text
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10:48<EmleyMoor>Same problem - how do I choose it?
10:48<metalqga>maybe try with selection and cut, paste
10:48<metalqga>or simply move
10:48<enouf>ofcourse, the devs never allow/make doing the simple things easy to get to the options .. why not just offer all these 5000 other crap options and bloat it up like micropoop apps .. just to assimilate
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10:50<EmleyMoor>Move moves the background, not my text
10:51<stevecotton>EmleyMoor: If you have a layer with transparent bits in (like text), Gimp by default selects the first layer with an opaque bit.
10:51<themill>EmleyMoor: selecting text objects in gimp is a pain, but doable. With the "move" tool, you have to click on the letters (not in the blank space between the letters, on the actual coloured bit)
10:51*stevecotton checks how to fiddle
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10:52<EmleyMoor>Of course, making me do this is really against the spirit of pdfs and I will tell the club so
10:52<stevecotton>If you hold shift then you can click on any bit of the text layer, including the transparent bits.
10:53<themill>EmleyMoor: I presume this isn't actually a PDF form that you're trying to fill in
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10:53<EmleyMoor>It's a PDF meant to be printed and written on
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10:54<EmleyMoor>Wow, this is going to work
10:54<reggae_>btw anyone here uses mac with airport cards?
10:55<gsimmons>reggae_: Ask for information, not people.
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10:56<EmleyMoor>The font I chose looks crap S[(
10:56<stevecotton>EmleyMoor: also, try double-clicking on the move tool, then setting the "Tool toggle" option to "Move the active layer"
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10:56<reggae_>gsimmons: hey pal, how r u? its been a while....sorry for not being direct, i wanna noe things regarding how to set up airport cards to go online, cus my card fail to let me go online? do i need an airport base station?
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10:58<blockowitsch>i have a perl script without a shebang and somehow bash still calls perl when i invoke it with ./Script. are there any other rules then the shebang to find the correct interpreter?
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11:01<gsimmons>reggae_: The original "Apple AirPort card" devices use the Hermes chipset, which is supported by the kernel-supplied "airport" driver (part of orinoco). No firmware is required, just go ahead and use the interface made available. There is no dependency on the AirPort base station. WPA (not WPA2) support was only recently incorporated into the driver.
11:01<gsimmons>!tell reggae_ -about orinoco
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11:03<raphink>Hi there
11:03<raphink>I have a problem with apt-get. When I want to install a certain package, it tells me as a note that it will instead install another one, and I don't seem to find a way to force the package I actually asked for.
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11:04<raphink>The message is "Note: selecting %s instead of %s"
11:04<raphink>is there a way to prevent that from happening?
11:04<stevecotton>which package?
11:04<raphink>a personal package
11:04<jackyf>raphink: then there is no such package :)
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11:05<raphink>which replaces libapache2-mod-auth-mysql for etch
11:05<enouf>do /msg dpkg equivs ... or, just dpkg -i it
11:05<jackyf>it is in some repo?
11:05<raphink>since the support for this package was discontinued in etch
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11:05<raphink>jackyf: no
11:05<jackyf>raphink: it's an answer :)
11:05<reggae_>gsimmons: again thanks it does not require base station after all :) ....
11:05<raphink>I repackaged the upstream version of the auth-mysql for apache for etch sinc eit was not there anymore
11:05<raphink>and I set it to replace mod-auth-mysql
11:05<raphink>but apt-get doesn't let me choose which one I install
11:06<reggae_>but its weird it does not take me to the net.....wasted my bucks to buy it via ebay
11:06<raphink>it just decides to install the new one
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11:06<jackyf>apt-get is working only with repos
11:06<jackyf>not individual packages
11:06<raphink>jackyf: oh yes it's in a repo of couse
11:06<raphink>sorry I thought you mean in a public repo
11:06<raphink>it's in a private repo
11:06<jackyf>apt-cache show <package> working?
11:06<raphink>yes it works
11:06<raphink>the problem is not whether apt-get knows the package
11:07<raphink>it's that it decides to install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql-upstream instead of libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
11:07<raphink>when I ask it to install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
11:07<jackyf>your command?
11:07<raphink>apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
11:07<raphink>and it says :
11:08<raphink>Note: selecting libapache2-mod-auth-mysql-upstream instead of libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
11:08<raphink>and then tries to install the -upstream one
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11:08<raphink>which I don't want
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11:09<raphink>I found a few pages that relate the same issue, but no solution was given
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11:09<jackyf>raphink: apt-get policy libapache2-mod-auth-mysql (to pastebin)?
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11:10<raphink>both of them are in priority -100
11:11<raphink>but imo apt-get only considers policy after it decides which packages to install
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11:11<raphink>and here it decides to install one package instead of another
11:11<raphink>and it would just make sense if there was an option to deactivate this, but I can't find it
11:11<jackyf>raphink: this is strange
11:12<raphink>(it's the kind of feature that is nice on a desktop, but can totally break your production whenever Debian decides to switch to mysql 5.0 instead of 4.1 for example)
11:13<raphink>jackyf: yes, it's very strange
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11:13<raphink>maybe I'll ask on debian-devel
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11:14<jackyf>ralph: I think this would be useless
11:14<jackyf>debian-devel is not for apt bugs
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11:15<jackyf>raphink: ^^
11:15<raphink>jackyf: it's for apt dev ;)
11:15<raphink>so there might be apt devs there ;)
11:15<jackyf>I am apt dev
11:15<raphink>ah ok :)
11:15<jackyf>after all :)
11:15<raphink>what I think it happening is this
11:16<raphink>since both packages are priority -100
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11:16<raphink>it considers that it cannot install the given package and tries to select the other one
11:16<raphink>but still I think it could be nice to deactivate this feature with an option
11:19<jackyf>raphink: this is definitely a bug
11:19<raphink>yes, it seems
11:19<raphink>not a big but though
11:19<jackyf>apt may consider other package names only if no any versions of supplied bugs
11:19<raphink>I think it would only happen if there's two packages that provide the same virtual package
11:19<raphink>but neither of them can be installed
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11:20<themill>I missed where this "libapache2-mod-auth-mysql-upstream" package was coming from.
11:20<jackyf>*supplied package names
11:20<raphink>because if I force the priority with -t, it works
11:21<raphink>themill: I made it
11:21<jackyf>raphink: so, it has different distribution...
11:21<raphink>jackyf: like I said, both of them are priority -100
11:21<themill>raphink: and what's in its control file? (pastebin it, perhaps)
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11:21<raphink>themill: the -upstream package provides, replaces and conflicts with the other one
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11:22<themill>replaces might be the clue here.
11:22<raphink>well it has to be this way, so that this package can replace the original one where there is a dependency
11:23<raphink>but the problem obviously comes from the fact that both packages are priority -100
11:23<themill>raphink: but by having a "provides" and "replaces" there, you've told apt that the other package shouldn't be used.
11:23<raphink>so apt-get can't install either
11:23<raphink>themill: hmmm no
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11:24<diego>hello there, I would like to implement a criptokey system for my company (via ssh)
11:24<raphink>"Provides" tells apt that this package provides the same fonctionality
11:24<diego>do you know any ssh server with this or how to do it
11:24<raphink>and "Replaces" that the other package can be removed when this one is installed
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11:24<diego>basically I need the user password to change according to a program I have already done if possible
11:25<diego>I need ssh to ask user / password / my_program_password
11:25<jackyf>raphink: it maybe better for you to file a bug against to apt and explain all relevant portions of info
11:25<themill>raphink: no, provides is only supposed to be used on virtual packages. see section 7.5 of policy
11:25*raphink goes to check policy
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11:26<raphink>jackyf: ok
11:27<raphink>themill: so Provides is not necessary if Replaces is used?
11:27<gsimmons>reggae_: WFM. What specifically do you mean by "fail to let me go online"? Is this device unable to associate with your AP? Does it appear in "ifconfig eth1 up && iwlist eth1 scan" output? (for example)
11:28<raphink>that's interesting :)
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11:29<diego>hi , anyone can help with a ssh problem :D
11:29<petemc>just ask
11:30<diego>I need ssh to ask for a 3rd "random" password
11:30<diego>generated by a crypto key card algorithm I have
11:30<reggae_>gsimmons: wait ill try, does airport automativcally work on debian without drivers getting installed?
11:30<diego>basically, it should ask user / password and then, if correct
11:30<magyar_>anyone using "linuxlogo" package?
11:30<diego>run ./my_algorithm user to get a passwd
11:30<diego>and ask for it
11:31<diego>the user would have the same program with the same seed
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11:31<themill>raphink: not sure. You'd have to try it. But at the same time, how many rdepends are there on this package (I can only see one in the entire archive)
11:31<diego>to generate different random passwd ... the only thing I need is make ssh to ask for it
11:31<gsimmons>reggae_: The necessary drivers are supplied as part of the kernel.
11:32<reggae_>gsimmons: ok ill try now...
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11:33<Pryon>diego: I can't answer your question, but I'm curious. How do you share the seed between the user and the remote system?
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11:34<diego>Pryon: there are some little devices (used by banks and big companies) that are called crypto keys
11:34<diego>basically you put the seed there
11:34<diego>(the starting one)
11:34<diego>and give that device to the user
11:34<petemc>secure id fobs
11:34<diego>you put the same starting seed in the server
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11:34<fxiny>a number generator ?
11:35<diego>fxiny: the crypto key is a random number generator
11:35<Pryon>I see. I misunderstood. I thought you were going to emulate the secureID in software and had to share a seed without using a (nominally) tamper-resistant device
11:35<fxiny>diego : verisign
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11:36<diego>Pryon: actually you don't need a device, you can just compile a program and give it to the user, but ... it wouldnt be so practical :P
11:36<fxiny>somehow synced with the bank server
11:36<reggae_>gsimmons: is it possible for airport card to create master mode connections?
11:37<diego>yeah, you start with the same seed, if it gets out of sync its a problem lol
11:37<fxiny>diego: it generates a numeber that you add to your *second* id/pass
11:37<raphink>themill: in the archive, probably not many, but we package our own programs and they might depend on it
11:37<diego>fxiny: i wanna do that
11:37<diego>but I dont know how
11:38<diego>I just need ssh server to ask a second password
11:38<diego>and match it with a program I already have
11:38<diego>or a file
11:38<themill>raphink: fair enough. I'd be tempted to leave it until it's a problem before spending lots of time on it, however.
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11:38<diego>it would be nice that ssh runs a program to match
11:38<raphink>themill: at least now I know that Provides is for virtual only
11:38<raphink>themill: I feel I shouldn't known for a long time
11:39<diego>do you know how to do that ?
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11:40<reggae_>gsimmons: i tried both "ifconfig eth1 up && iwlist eth1 scan" no results...
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11:45<dellalibera>I created a package, does not have postinstall/preinstall, but of this error in the installation: dpkg: package control info to rmdir of `usr' didn' t say not to dir: Directory not empty
11:46*EmleyMoor hates PDF forms that aren't but has now managed to complete one
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11:47<fxiny>diego: is not a random generator : is synced with the bank server
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11:48<fxiny>diego: and is all about not giving you any refund in case someone gets into your bank account
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11:53<fxiny>so is a pretty stupid thing cause the customer , concerned with a "missing in action" verisign gizmo , ends up writing down a list of generated numbers . ask around if ypou believe i'm telling you a lie ...
11:53<gsimmons>reggae_: (re Hermes as Master) Not with the kernel-supplied driver. There used to be a project (Hermes AP) which provided modified orinoco driver sources and utilities, in order to upload tertiary firmware to provide BSS master capability. Last time I checked, Hermes AP was very much inactive/dead.
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11:53<reggae_>anyone, here knows how i can create wifi Access Point with my laptop, while my laptop is connected wirelessly to my router?
11:54<petemc>get a chipset that supports hostap
11:54<petemc>and, for the record, adding "urgent" to a request is likely to make people less keen to help
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11:55<EmleyMoor>reggae_: Do you mean you want your laptop to act as an all-wireless router?
11:55<rjbase89> #debina
11:56<reggae_>EmleyMoor: yeah sort of...
11:56<gsimmons>reggae_: Try moving closer to the AP. Remember that the AirPort card has no internal antenna, you'd want to ensure the iBook's antenna is firmly connected.
11:57<EmleyMoor>reggae: Interesting
11:57<petemc>even osx wont work as a repeater for a wireless connection, will it?
11:57<petemc>i know you can do that with dd-wrt and the likes tho
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11:58<reggae_>gsimmons: i tried moving closer to the router, no luck :(
11:58<EmleyMoor>It might even make it possile to share one ticket on the campsite between several machines
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12:00<reggae_>EmleyMoor: yeah, cerainly is. However i knew it would be possible to act as an AP, with the laptop connected to a wired connection, however, i do not want to buy such long wires to connect it all the way from downstairs to my room....(for the record, my router lost its antenna)
12:00<reggae_>only one
12:01<reggae_>im trying either master mode or AP....
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12:02<fxiny>diego: rethink . you push the button , right ? the think won't work . you have no way to login . what do you think now ? a yellow postit with a list of generated number , just in case ? . *again* ? :)
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12:05<reggae_>i had two wireless'll be great if i could make my airport card work...n everything will be back oon track
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12:07<rjbase89>I am running Debian Lenny with a 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel. I have been using a novatel U727 modem but have trouble installing it. If use modprobe usbserial vendor=1410 product=4100 dmesg shows that the module is loaded but the modem is not install. Using mknod -m 660 ttyUSB0 chgrp dialout ttyUSB0 will create the necessary device file with the necessary attributes but does not install the device.
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12:10<AzaTht>ok, bear with me, I have a rather n00bish question:
12:11<AzaTht>why is it so expensive to generate locales?
12:12<reggae_>or...i think i had a brilliant idea
12:13<amphi>reggae_: what is it? a broadcom/
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12:14<reggae_>can i have my laptop connected to an AP wirelessly, then from my laptop, i connect to another wireless router via ethernet cable and finally broadcast to my psp or ndsl?
12:15<reggae_>sounds crazy but i had my own motif..... :)
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12:16<AzaTht>does no one has a hit on my louse question?
12:16<themill>rjbase89: shouldn't it be 0x1410 and 0x4100 not 1410 and 4100? (What's the output of lsusb for that device?)
12:17<rjbase89>themill > ya that was an error.
12:18<AzaTht>I don't want to resort to google, it seldom gives me any useful output :(
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12:19<themill>rjbase89: does removing the module prior to inserting it with those parameters help? (i.e. modprobe -r usbserial ; modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410 product=0x4100)
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12:20<rjbase89>lsusb out is Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1410:4100 Novatel wireless U727
12:20<reggae_>that would be my last option...
12:21<reggae_>but 1st i need help on setting up my airport card t work.....
12:21<starnull>i haven't noticed a way to configure a firewall setting based on a program instead of a portset. am i missing something?
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12:23<rjbase89>themill: I have tried that among other things... Many other things. I can get the device installed by booting up Windows Vista, activating the device the rebooting into Debian without letting the device power down. The kernel wil then see the device and udev creates the necessary device.
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12:24<s_i_m>starnull, no, you are not, if you mean setting firewall with iptables. there is 'owner' module in iptables though.
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12:24<rjbase89>...but I don't like having to rely on windows to get the job done.
12:25<themill>rjbase89: eeek. That sounds horrid. The device doesn't require some firmware does it? Also, does hotplug vs coldplug make any difference?
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12:28<rjbase89>themill: I am not sure what is going on with the device. I can manually load the module, manually create the necessary device and usually the kernel will eventually see the device and make the connection. That leads me to believe that there is probably some operation that I could manually perform to make the installation myself...
12:29<rjbase89>themill: I am not sure what you mean by hotplug vs coldplug...
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12:30<dr|z3d>hotplug = when system is up. like usb. coldplug = when system is switched off. like ide.
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12:33<themill>rjbase89: aiui, making the device nodes manually is not something that will help any more -- this should either be handled automatically by udev and then just works, or it does not work at all until you hack at a udev rule to get it to work. The days of having /dev stuffed with hundreds of device files just in case you happen to plug in a "frobinator 2000" are long passed.
12:33<rjbase89>I have tried booting up Debian w/ the device installed but unless the device is powered up and active the kernel doesn't recognize the device. It can see that a usb device is install but connect identify it.
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12:37<rjbase89>themill: I looked into udev. I understand it purpose, and I thought that was probably the solution. Can you direct me to some resource where I can learn about udev rules. I looked at the udev README but it wasn't much help to me ...
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12:39<themill>!udev rules
12:39<dpkg>file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at
12:39<reggae_>lastly, i would wanna ask all of you guys that, creating all 3 ad hocs, master mode, and wifi access points using laptop requires my laptop to be 1st connected to my broadband through ethernet or just my wifi usb adapter would do?
12:39<themill>rjbase89: ^^ that's the limit of my knowledge of udev rules -- I'm not that great with udev myself either. Generally, the existing rules are good enough for things like a serial device though.
12:39<starnull>s_i_m: do you think the owner module is capable of accomplishing what i'm trying to do?
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12:40<s_i_m>starnull, not exactly, but it may suffice in some cases
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12:41<themill>rjbase89: Is it worth you pastebining the output of: modprobe -r usbserial ; modprobe usbserial vendor=... product=... ; dmesg | tail -50
12:41<Bushmills>(00:19:07) rjbase89: the debian homepage said to come here for support...but you people just seem like assholes... funny, didn't find a better place to ask then?
12:41<themill>Bushmills: please drop it.
12:41<s_i_m>starnull, there was also tuxgardian which is closer to what you want, but I never used that
12:41*Bushmills drops it. it breaks noisily
12:42<rjbase89>Bushmills: well I apologize for that remark...
12:42<Bushmills>fair enough
12:43<rjbase89>themill: I am not sure what you mean by pastebining
12:45<rjbase89>Bushmills: that other guy did seem a little rude but that doe not justify the response. I am a reasonable person. If you tell me staightout what you need I cooperate ..
12:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:47<rjbase89>thanks alot...
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12:56<Neuwo>out of curiosity, why doesn't etch set the fstab dvd (cdrom0) field to auto?
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13:06<tumeur>Salut comment produire du son au demarrage de debian
13:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:07<EmleyMoor>Is thee a way to see hy I'm not getting many usenet articles? I use pan
13:08<EmleyMoor>Somehow I keep missing keys too
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13:08<Bushmills>Neuwo: because not many people want cdrom to mount during boot
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13:09<reggae_>nvm i ask tomoro...guess all ppl r bz rite now...tx guys :)
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13:13<Bushmills>probalby not a problem of newsreader but of usenet provider
13:13<Bushmills>but slrn decent agree
13:14<Bushmills>sylpheed / clawsmail can be used as nntp client too
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13:15<EmleyMoor>Will check with provider anyway
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13:16<Bushmills>EmleyMoor: leafnode could be convenient
13:16<EmleyMoor>I used to use that when I was on dialup
13:17<fxiny>Bushmills: i had a look todat at qingy . you mentioned yesterday . it looks interesting
13:17<EmleyMoor>I get counts of headers but nothing in the group when I click
13:17<Neuwo>Bushmills, not for mounting, for the filesystem field in fstab
13:17<fxiny>tin is not that bad
13:17<Neuwo>I couldn't mount a dvd until I edited it
13:17<Bushmills>Neuwo: but that is what "auto" does
13:18<Bushmills>mount -a is executed during boot - mounting all "auto" file systems
13:18<fxiny>but yes , klibido *sounds* good :P
13:18<Neuwo>even when listed as noauto?
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13:19<Bushmills>forget what i said
13:19*Bushmills needs a coffee :)
13:19*Neuwo needs more coffee
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13:28<LL00>hum I put bind9 in chroot, now it's 1 CPU and 1 worker thread
13:29<LL00>how come ? it was 2 CPUs and 2 workers thread when bind9 wasn't in chroot
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13:30<stevecotton>different config file in /chroot/etc/bind/ ?
13:30<LL00>I mv there
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13:31<LL00>and ccore 2 duo = 2CPUs ? shouldn't it be 1 CPU and 2 workers thread?
13:31<AzaTht>I'm still wondering why generating locales uses soo much CPU, no one has a clue?
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13:33<starnull>ok. if a process has reached -10 nice, is that a bad thing?
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13:35<dr|z3d>starnull: Means the process is running at high priority. Not necessarily a bad thing.
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13:36<starnull>...i cant kill it
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13:37<s_i_m>starnull, kill -9
13:37<straw>kill -9 <pid>
13:37<And1>Heya folks... is there a list of PCMCIA WLAN cards which work quite good under debian (maybe even etch)?
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13:42<agostino>CIAO A TUTTI
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13:43<|Valtiel|>how to install libdvdcss ??
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13:47<EmleyMoor>Cleared out pan's settings and service appears to be restored
13:47<Bushmills>And1: atheros, maybe ralink, seem to be preferable over broadcom
13:48<EmleyMoor>It hasn't worked properly since the server moved to Nova Scotia
13:48<|Valtiel|>how to install libdvdcss on debian ?
13:48<dpkg>it has been said that libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <> or <debian-unofficial>
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13:51<ike> isnt selling a gpl open source free game a tad illegal?
13:51<ike> and its not the only one
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13:52<Neuwo>I think you can sell a cdrom of gpl'd software, you just jhave to include the license
13:52<Neuwo>so only a complete fool would pay
13:52<ike>well the whole evo console thing is a scam anyway
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13:53<ike>a pc, with a joy pad, running fedora 8, with amiga nowhere (anywhere 2) ( which also sell freeware older amiga games)
13:53<Neuwo>so much of the computer world is a scam
13:54<ike>amiga inc takes the cake tho
13:54<Neuwo>possibly ;)
13:54<dr|z3d>Let's not forget Apple.
13:54<ike>well atleast they dont frequently announce vaporware
13:54<Neuwo>Apple is soviet
13:54<amphi>on the contrary, let us
13:54<ike>and they dont scam the community
13:54<dr|z3d>Well, yes.
13:54<ike>with cupons
13:55<ike>and t-shirts
13:55<Neuwo>well, you have to usethe apple store to fix any problems, they tie all applications into their own company
13:55<dr|z3d>Bah. The iPhone is a scam. iTunes is a scam. iPods are a scam.
13:55<ike>iphones are crazy
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13:55<ike>would be nice if they had a keyboard
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13:55<sh4d0w>bonsoir, i'd like someone to read / corect my iptables script. See it here : thanks
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13:57<Neuwo>I actually like my cellphone to be as simple as possible
13:57<Neuwo>I'm getting close to buying one of the "jitterbug" things designed for old people
13:57<Neuwo>My current phone probably has about 50 pictures of the inside of my pocket
13:57<ike> hehe
13:58<|Valtiel|>good synaptic show a screenshots of software
13:58<LL00>sh4d0w, lol any problem?
13:59<ike>pffff " The Mirrors Evolution Developer box contains Fedora 8 disc, Envizions Mirrors disc, and Crystal Space game development engine disc. "
13:59<ike>99 dollars...
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14:00<Neuwo>watchout Microsoft, real competition for the 360 on its way :P
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14:00<sh4d0w>LL00, i don't know.. that's why i'm trying to find help :p. I was using shorewall
14:01<ike>remember, amiga anywhere2 is better better then mac osx :D
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14:01<LL00>et tu as tas connection qui marche? t'as pas tout bloque?
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14:01<Neuwo>My wife uses macs... I can't stand them
14:01<ike>if you read the interview we did with mcewen ( the amiga inc ceo, which became ridiculed across the web since ) you'll know what im on about
14:01<|Valtiel|>i see that a multilanguage channel
14:02<Neuwo>the last apple computer I liked was the apple ][ gs
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14:02<|Valtiel|>and more
14:02<ike>tried macosx86 for a while , seemed fairly ok, except for xchat aqua
14:02<amphi>!tell |Valtiel| -about enter
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14:03<Neuwo>I don't like OSs that have so many layers between you and what is really happening
14:03<Neuwo>when something goes wrong with a mac, I'm clueless as to why
14:04<ike>yeah, you sorta get the impression that osx is trying to hide from you whats going on
14:04<Neuwo>when I get issues in linux, it's rather easy to see the problem
14:04<Neuwo>usually bad configuration of some /etc file
14:05<ike>mhm, and when its configured, it stays configured
14:05<Neuwo>I've been away from it for 2 years though
14:05<Neuwo>slowly things are coming back to me
14:06<ike>what do you use?
14:06<Neuwo>right now Etch
14:06<Neuwo>used to use source distros
14:06<Neuwo>gentoo, sorcerer, sourcemage
14:06<Neuwo>and rpm stuff before that
14:06<ike>i stepped to debian due to dependency hell
14:06<ike>never looked back
14:06<EmleyMoor>I'm all lenny here but will follow it into stable on 3 out of 4
14:07<Neuwo>couple years back I started gaming more, so I just installed XP... finally got sick of it this past weekend
14:07<ike>i cant stand windows anymore
14:07<Neuwo>it's easy... but so much crap
14:07<ike>i dont feel remotely safe in windows
14:07<EmleyMoor>I hate Windows but need it for work
14:08<Neuwo>I was playing fallout 3... and discovered that windows LIVE was installed on my system. that bothered me, so I checked for wine compatability and installed debian
14:09<Neuwo>so far debian's been a breeze
14:09<Bushmills>windows is great. keeps the crowd away from other systems, and gives malware authors something to focus on.
14:10<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: Try VirtualBox if you "need" Windows.
14:10<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: That said, most stuff will run ok under Wine these days.
14:10<ike>oh good lord basilisk is slow on 68k
14:10<EmleyMoor>dr|z3d: No, I need it on a real machine
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14:12<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: A real machine? VirtualBox is pretty real.
14:12<ike>is it any faster then qemu?
14:12<EmleyMoor>dr|zed: Real real, not pretty real
14:12<ike>or vmware
14:12<ike>i didnt find qemu too fast
14:13<ike>quick rather
14:13<EmleyMoor>qemu is good enough for what I need VMs for
14:13<Bushmills>ike, using kqemu?
14:13<ike>well , i think win2k ran ok
14:13<ike>cant quite remember, been a while
14:14<ike>i found myself looking for other options before forgetting what i was supposed to be doing with windows anyway
14:15<EmleyMoor>I use qemu to keep my hand in the BSDs and also to tinker with ReactOS
14:16<ike>havent tried reactos yet
14:16<EmleyMoor>ReactOS will be wortht having, one day
14:16<ike>i think so to
14:17<ike>seemed promising from what i've sen
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14:23<somae7>I just compiled a new kernel (2.6.26) using the info at - it says to install module-init-tools initrd-tools procps from backports but I keep getting errors when I try to do apt-get - the address they gave was woody
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14:24<dr|z3d>somae7: Try rm -f *.* /var/cache/apt
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14:25<petemc>somae7: ignore that
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14:26<petemc>dr|z3d: you should probably be a bit more careful with the advice you dispense
14:26<straw>dr|z3d: I'd prefer "apt-get clean"
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14:26<dr|z3d>straw: Interesting. That clears up corrupt files in /var/cache/apt ?
14:26<dr|z3d>petemc: Quite possibly ;)
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14:27<petemc>somae7: what verson of debian are you using?
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14:29<somae7>petemc: you mean the kernel?
14:29<petemc>no, version of debian
14:29<petemc>i presume etch, so you'll want to use etch backports, follow the instructions on
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14:30<straw>dr|z3d: read the man page. it just cleans the apt cache.. guess that's what you wanted to do with 'rm -f * /var/cache/apt/*'
14:31<somae7>it's 4.0-
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14:31<petemc>somae7: you know what that command would do?
14:31<dr|z3d>straw: Indeed.
14:31<petemc>straw: ^^^
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14:32<somae7>petemc: it would erase the contents of the directory and subdirectories -
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14:32<petemc>somae7: it would erase everything in the current working directory
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14:32<petemc>which is very likely not what you want
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14:33<dr|z3d>I think I meant rm -f /var/apt/cache *.*
14:33<dr|z3d>Me bad.
14:33<petemc>no, not that either
14:33<dr|z3d>Why not that?
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14:34<dr|z3d>I mean, sure apt-get clean seems the right way.
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14:34<straw>you give rm 2 arguments to remove
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14:35<straw>everything in the current dir and /var/apt/cache
14:35<chealer>straw: clean only removes part of APT's cache
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14:35<straw>yea, sure
14:35<straw>just wanted to stress his syntax fault :P
14:35<somae7>I had trouble using backports before - could only get the one at to function
14:37<dr|z3d>straw: Well thankyou. I feel duly corrected :)
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14:38<dr|z3d>So: rm -f /var/apt/cache/*.*
14:38<dr|z3d>Presumably that's the correct syntax then? :)
14:38<petemc>you dont need *.*
14:38<straw>"rm -f /var/apt/cache/*" would be enough
14:38<dr|z3d>Right, ok. Learning :)
14:38<petemc>dr|z3d: had the person ran your first command from the root directory, he would have deleted everything
14:39<dr|z3d>petemc: I understand that now. :) Won't happen again.
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14:42<somae7>I tried switching to etch and now everything is installing
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14:46<straw>I know, "It's ready when it's ready", but is there something like a release date for Lenny? I'm not really up-to-date.
14:47<petemc> /msg dpkg lenny status
14:47<straw>Oh, nice! Thanks
14:49<amjad>how to install pdfedit in debian
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14:49<petemc>amjad: aptitude install pdfedit
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14:50<amjad>petemc, it doesn't work
14:50<amjad>no package in repository, I gues
14:50<petemc>which version of debian?
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14:50<petemc>you could look for a backport
14:50<petemc> /msg dpkg backport
14:51<petemc>if not, /msg dpkg ssb , to try and backport it yourself, its in sid
14:51<amjad>I have to add backport rep
14:51<amjad>I have to add backport repo
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14:51<petemc>read what dpkg tells you
14:51<dellalibera>I created a package, does not have postinstall/preinstall, but of this error in the installation: dpkg: package control info to rmdir of `usr' didn' t say not to dir: Directory not empty
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14:52<petemc>judd: versions pdfedit
14:52<judd>petemc: pdfedit -- etch-backports: 0.4.1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.4.1-2 sid: 0.4.1-2
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14:55<vinicius>im using sid on 64bits.. is there any way of installing 32bit packages here?
14:56<straw>I read more than once they you shouldn't mix up apt-get and aptitude for installing software. Why so? What's the technical background? Aren't both of them based on APT?
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14:57<ike>aptitude can resolve problems that apt cant
14:57<blarson>straw: Before apt-get kept track of auto-installed packages, aptitude had a nasty habbit of assuming anything you installed with apt-get was auto-installed and removing it.
14:57<ike>by degrading a package or two causing the incompatibility
14:58<straw>ah, I see
14:58<straw>'before' means they're working well together now?
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15:00<themill>straw: with the exception of putting packages on hold, yes
15:00<straw>okay, thanks
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15:03<GoldElite>Does anyone know why my numpad might have just stopped working? It's fine in console and the GDM, but not in X otherwise... =\
15:03<somae7>after editing grub do I need to run it before rebooting?
15:04<somae7>ok - thanks for everyone's help
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15:07<ike>GoinEasy9, sounds like a problem with the keyboard settings of your window manager
15:07<blarson>GoldElite: Have you tried hitting num-lock?
15:07<GoldElite>Yeah; But it won't even register the directional properties when numlock is turned off
15:07<straw>GoldElite: I'm not really into X11.. I don't even have a numpad. But maybe there's something wrong with your xorg.conf
15:08<GoldElite>Wouldn't have thought so; I haven't edited it. It stopped working half-way through a session, too...I think it was when I tried installing Office under Wine (don't ask, just...don't ;( )
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15:09<ike>gnome? xfce? kde?
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15:10<ike>try the gnome-keyboard-properties
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15:12<radicalboy>Hi! Anybody use tightvncserver in debian?!
15:12<GoldElite>ike: Hmm; I don't see anything of use. Does it help to know the keyboard's a G15? I think the numpad is recognised as a seperate usb device, but I'm not sure
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15:13<ike>that just about tells me nothing ^^
15:13<ike>just try fiddeling with the settings there and it'll probably spur back to life, i think gnome overrides xorg on keyboard config anyway
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15:14<GoldElite>Cool. Cheers
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15:14<radicalboy>I had installed Tightvncserver in debian, i can connect to it, but the image i see is only the terminal
15:14<buffoon>hi, i have a problem with my bind9 setup. it resolves the hostname "ml110" but not "firewall". here's my zone file:
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15:15<Pryon>radicalboy: try right-clicking. I'm pretty sure twm has its menus there
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15:15<ike>radicalboy, do you really need anything more?
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15:16<radicalboy>but i can't change it?
15:17<ike>to a desktop?
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15:17<ike>i tried that in xvncserver once, didnt work well
15:17<buffoon>mailkl01 gets resolved too...
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15:17<radicalboy>other thing, how i can mount my second disk?!
15:18<radicalboy>it is an ntfs only for files
15:18<ike>if memory serves me right, the file was either in /etc/vnc something or homedir .vnc something
15:18<ike>mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt or where ever
15:19<ike>adding it to /etc/fstab makes life a bit easier
15:19<ike>with a editor
15:19<ike>the fstab
15:19<s_i_m>radicalboy, ~/.vnc/xstartup is the place where you put the commands you want to start
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15:21<radicalboy>s_i_m and what command i need put to make it a desktop
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15:24<amjad>I want logcheck to send me email only when it fails
15:25<amjad>how do I do that
15:25<somae7>greetings from linux 2.6.26
15:25<amjad>petemc, it worked for pdfedit, thanks
15:26<s_i_m>radicalboy, that depends. normally you start your preferred window manager from it with some additional apps you need.
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15:27<somae7>I recompiled the kernel so I could get the sata module for via raid controller 6421 - we have a rwdvd attached to it but it isn't automatically showing up
15:27<ubuntu>fack you bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15:27<buffoon>radicalboy: you should use x11vnc if you want to control your current desktop
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15:27<buffoon>as far as you want that of course
15:27<radicalboy>ok s_i_m, only need the dock (with the terminal icon and navegator icon)
15:28<radicalboy>x11vnc ? i will try it
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15:28<ubuntu>fack linux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15:29<ubuntu>fack all in this chat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
15:29<themill>!ops ubuntu needs escorting from the building
15:29<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: ubuntu needs escorting from the building
15:29-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
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15:29<themill>thanks, stew
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15:32<starnull>hi. clean install from a netinstall cd. installation halted at "installing GRUB 66%". rebooted and i'm looking at a grub prompt now. any way to salvage this installation or do i have to start over?
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15:33<somae7>how would I setup the rwdvd and sata card?
15:33<soa>what does it mean?: the ltsp-client package provides the basic structure for an LTSP terminal.
15:33<soa>It cannot be installed on a regular machine
15:33<GoldElite>ike: Found the problem -- I had mousekeys turned on! Didn't notice that when you first pointed me to gnome-keyboard-properties...Thanks =)
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15:34<ike>hehe, np man
15:34<starnull>Bushmills: you around?
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15:36<soa>someone knows ltsp?
15:37<LL00>what do you want to know
15:37<adb>starnull: i had such a behaviors on a box with bad RAM ...
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15:37<starnull>it wasn't bad ram. i was the install media
15:37<adb>me too
15:38<starnull>bad RAM or a borked cd?
15:38<adb> bad RAM
15:38<adb> cd was ok on other machines
15:38<starnull>anyway, that's the last stage of the install. is there any way to configure grub manually instead of starting?
15:39<starnull>*starting over?
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15:39<starnull>or a way to resume a borked install?
15:39<adb>anyways, reinstalling take 10 min
15:39<adb>and must be clean
15:40<blarson>starnull: You can start up a shell in the install and fix and continue.
15:41<starnull>ok. how do i go about fixing?
15:42<blarson>starnull: Sorry, I don't know that. You could see if there is a more detailed message on the alternate screen.
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15:43<s_i_m>starnull, chroot to where the root is mounted, then grub-install <drive>
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15:45<s_i_m>or use grub shell
15:46<blarson>s_i_m: starnull left
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15:46<s_i_m>yes =)
15:46<s_i_m>did not notice
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15:51<pos>found it:
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15:56<soa>LL00: I have this message
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15:57<apostle>Is there a good backup dvd program for debian?
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15:57<cahoot>aptitude search backup?
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15:58<bonello>web cam
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15:59<bonello>ciao ragazzi
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16:00<bonello>quacuno ma sa aiutare... dopo l'aggiornamento ad intrepid ibex la mia webcam non funziona piu
16:00<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:01<d3co>apostle: try with pybackpack
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16:03<LL00>fa freddo come cayo
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16:06<radicalboy>I use x11vnc.. Can i make it run when pc start?
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16:46<d3co>can you help! with ltsp!
16:46<d3co>on lenny!
16:47<LL00>what is your problem?
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16:48<d3co>when #apt-get install ltsp-client
16:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:49<d3co>display Installation aborted
16:50<d3co>like everyone
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16:53<Bushmills>d3co: read your description again, an imagine you'd know nothing of your problem. would you understand what your problem is, then?
16:54<dpkg>hmm... pe is Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:57<d3co>yes only I cannot install the ltsp-client the system rejects the instalation, I follow this steps here:
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16:57<Bushmills>d3co: care to disclose the kind of error you get, or are we supposed to guess that?
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16:59<Bushmills>!tell d3co -about smart questions
16:59<yusuo>i need some general pc help, sounds kinda noobish but i need help taking out my heatsink and fan
16:59<d3co>ofcourse display this error: the ltsp-client package provides the basic structure for an LTSP terminal.
16:59<d3co>It cannot be installed on a regular machine
16:59<yusuo>its not screwed like im used to its some kind of clip that i cant seem to lossen
16:59<yusuo>i have pics of the clips
17:00<yusuo>any help appreciated
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17:00<Bushmills>yusuo: freenode, #hardware could be worth a try
17:00<yusuo>theres no-one in there bushmills
17:01<yusuo>its empty
17:01<Bushmills>165 people last time i looked
17:01<jaek>does the sun-java6-jre on 64bit ubuntu 8.10 have 'javaws'?
17:01<jaek>wrong channel
17:01<yusuo>also one more probelm, i hate vlc 0.9.2 it keeps lagging, where as 0.8.6 worked with no problems any ideas how i can downgrade
17:02<Bushmills>yusuo: "freenode" i wrote not only for decorative purposes
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17:02<yusuo>yeah im in thx
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17:04<Bushmills>yusuo: look in /var/cache/apt/archives, whether there's .deb package of 0.8.6. if so, dpkg -i should install it.
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17:04<yusuo>hmmm thx
17:05<yusuo>i just cant get the volume normalization to work either
17:05<stew>yusuo: how did you install 0.9.2?
17:05<yusuo>things were so much simpler 6 months ago
17:05<yusuo>stew sudo apt-get install vlc
17:05<stew>yusuo: what version of debian are you running?
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17:06<stew>judd: versions vlc
17:06<judd>stew: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.8.6.h-5 experimental: 0.9.6-1
17:06<stew>judd: etch only has 0.8.6, where did you get 0.9.2 from?
17:06<judd>stew: Error: "etch" is not a valid command.
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17:06<stew>yusuo: etch only has 0.8.6, where did you get 0.9.2 from?
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17:07<yusuo>the website
17:07<yusuo>sorry im gettin confused
17:07<yusuo>i run 2 machines debian and ubuntu
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17:07<yusuo>i compiled vlc 0.9.2 from the videolan site
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17:08<stew>yusuo: show us the output of "apt-cache policy vlc" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
17:08<yusuo>little bust atm trying to unclip my fan
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17:11<yusuo>bushmills nobodies rep[lying to me, serious if you can help it would be ap[preciated
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17:13<Bushmills>can't - that would require a telemanipulator
17:13<stew>yusuo: if you compiled vlc from source, you'd have to remove that first
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17:15<adama_>what packages do I need to be able to run mplayer fullscreen, but not have a DE?
17:15<stew>adama_: mplayer
17:15<Bushmills>adama, mplayer
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17:16<Bushmills>press f, or start with -zoom -fs
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17:17<apostle>I have problem accessing internet form a computer that I am setting up with Lenny net install....I can ping my machines with ip addresses but can't ping the internet can someone direct me how to use the route command to tell my system to use the proper gateway
17:17<adama_>Bushmills, stew, it doesn't work..
17:17<Bushmills>that's gateway
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17:18<petemc>apostle: can you ping ip addresses outside of your network?
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17:19<adama_>I'm trying to get the error message here but the screen blanks and then I end up with \n not working
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17:19<Bushmills>adama_: add option -vo x11
17:19<apostle>petemc, no
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17:20<apostle>petemc, how do I use the route command to specify my gateway
17:20<petemc>route add default gw ip
17:20<apostle>petemc, I had this problem before but foolish me I did not right down how it was fixed
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17:21<Bushmills>apostle: make it permanent in /etc/network/interfaces
17:21<petemc>ip route add default via , if using ip
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17:23<adama_>Bushmills: it says "vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()!"
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17:23<adama_>and doesn't display anything
17:24<Bushmills>adama_: are you running mplayer in X11? or using aalib/caca/framebuffer?
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17:25<apostle>Bushmills, I can't acess the internet
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17:25<apostle>Bushmills, I have made the changes
17:26<adama_>ummm the box is just sitting at the TTY login prompt, and I'm running "mplayer -fs -vo x11 /ob/Strange.Brew.avi >out.log 2>&1" as user over ssh, I set mplayer to suid root earlier
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17:26<Bushmills>apostle: ifdown and ifup the interface after changes to file
17:27<adama_>I think I am missing some key things here
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17:27<Bushmills>yes. key thing is "how to"
17:28<Bushmills> maybe this helps
17:28<apostle>Bushmills, still can't ping internet
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17:29<apostle>I have a router on ip address previous time I ran a command to tell my computer where the gateway was....I wish I would have wrote down what the command was...Can anyone help?
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17:30<Bushmills>damn... did you even *look* at that link.
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17:30<Bushmills>or is that just a temporary unwillingness to read?
17:30<dizzey>route add default gw
17:31<dizzey>that is the bad fast way
17:32<dr|z3d>Or you could manually edit /etc/network/interfaces I think.
17:32<dizzey>that would be the correct way
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17:33<dizzey>anyone else than me that are having trouble with installing on a md device and know some sulotions except haking the initrd file
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17:34<apostle>dizzey, awesome
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17:35<apostle>thanks all
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17:35<dr|z3d>The quick hack to add a gateway won't persist after a reboot afaik.. you'll need to edit the file I referenced if you want a permenant solution, apostle
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17:39<apostle>dr|z3d, thanks
17:39<apostle>I have another problem
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17:39<apostle>I have a nvidia card 6600 gt what is the correct driver I should use with aptitude?
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17:42<apostle>I am trying to run startx and I get input not supported...Can someone help? did I miss a step?
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17:43<apostle>perhaps I forgot to install gnome
17:44<chealer>!tell apostle about nvidia
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18:18<apostle>I am trying to startx on a new install of Lenny and getting "Input not supported" this message is coming from the monitor...can someone guide me?
18:19<adb>reinstall ?
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18:20<apostle>adb, first time install I have a acer monitor and it gets this message when startx is run...the video card is an 6600 GT I restarted and its trying to bring up gui and goes directly to this error and Ican't get a command line
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18:21<apostle>I'm confused because this error comes from the acer it a driver problem?
18:21<apostle>video driver problem?
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18:23<adb>change to "nv" driver in xorg.conf and re try
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18:23<apostle>adb, how do I do that? what is the command I should run?
18:23<adb>google for examples xorg.conf
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18:27<adb>and/or man xorg.conf
18:27<apollux>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe another alternative
18:28<lnievas>apostle: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:30<lnievas>edit xorg.conf and replace nv by nvidia
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18:32<apostle>lnievas, I have a feeling the nvidia drivers are not installed...what is the aptitude command I should run to make sure they are there?
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18:34<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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18:34<lnievas>apostole, lsmod | grep nvidia
18:35<adb>apostle: ^^^
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18:39<lnievas>error "Input not supported" is because your monitor not support the refresh rate or resolution input
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18:40<lnievas>apostole: error "Input not supported" is because your monitor not support the refresh rate or resolution input
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18:42<F-Lelo>Hi all. I'm having postfix problems... the email just don't arrive to my server. I guess this is not a relay issue because there is no error message.. what to do?
18:42<tumeur>debian boot log ?? please
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18:42<lnievas>apostole, the solution is: edit your xorg.conf and low down refresh rate and reslolution
18:43<F-Lelo>tumeur: mine?!
18:43<tumeur>heu crash log
18:43<tumeur>and boot log
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18:43<lnievas>tumeur, dmesg
18:43<F-Lelo>tumeur: are you talking to me?
18:44<tumeur>heu je suis en cote d'ivoire debian-fr ya personne
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18:45<lnievas>if you want to save to a file "dmesg > myBootLogFile "
18:45<tumeur>ha tank you
18:46<tumeur>dmesg >> myBootlog|grep 'WARNONG' ??'
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18:47<tumeur>lnievas, because Warnig from my computer boot*
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18:49<lnievas>i don't understand
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18:49<lnievas>tumeur, i don't understand
18:50<smash>tumeur peut-tu parles d'anglais ici?
18:50<F-Lelo>tumeur: - #debian-fr
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18:52<tumeur>lnievas, when my computer boot there is mistakes that I want to identify but I do not know how
18:52<tumeur>smash, when my computer boot there is mistakes that I want to identify but I do not know how
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18:54<dpkg>bootlogd is probably disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg)
18:54<smash>tumeur if you describe them more detailed we might help you
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18:54<adb>tumeur: ^^^
18:54<sampablokuper>Hi there, I'm trying to install Lenny at the moment, but am having trouble. Anyone willing to help? If so, please say so & I'll post details. Thanks :)
18:54<lnievas>what type of error/warnning?
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18:54<tumeur>adb, salut
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18:55<adb>salut t'a changer le nick ?
18:55<sampablokuper>lnievas, did you mean me? (I've just joined the channel, & I don't want to butt in if you were referring to someone else!) Thanks :)
18:55<tumeur>adb je voulait juste savoir quand la machine boot ou est stocker le resulta
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18:56<smash>sampablokuper just go on then :-)
18:56<adb>get your /var/log/boot file
18:56<tumeur>adb, de boot genre je veux connaitre quel sont les erreur que je veux corriger
18:56<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
18:56<sampablokuper>smash, thanks. So, the install routine seemed to go fine, and it asks to reboot at the end. That's when the errors occur.
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18:56<sampablokuper>I get: PCI: Not using MMCONFIG
18:56<jt_>I'm having trouble pinging localhost. I have it in my /etc/hosts, and I can only ping localhost if I do ifdown --force lo ifup lo. Anyone know what the problem may be?
18:57<tumeur>adb, boot log=(Nothing has been logged yet.)
18:57<sampablokuper>And usb 1-2: device not accepting address 2, error -71
18:57<smash>are you installing from/into an usb device?
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18:57<adb>tumeur: must reboot for that ;)
18:57<tumeur>anytime =(Nothing has been logged yet.)
18:57<sampablokuper>smash, yes. There's no HDD in the server right now, just a 4GB USB stick
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18:58<sampablokuper>I installed Lenny (or tried to) to the USB stick.
18:58<sampablokuper>I get more errors than the ones I've mentioned. Should I carry on?
18:58<tumeur>adb, anytime /var/log/boot=(Nothing has been logged yet.)
18:58<smash>sampablokuper can you possibly paste the whole lot of dmesg output?
18:58<sampablokuper>Also, I should note that I've tried both the RC1 and today's build.
18:59<sampablokuper>smash, I'll have to type it in, as I don't have SSH to that machine.
18:59<smash>did you try a bios update for your mobo?
18:59<smash>atleast that error seems to be raised by a buggy reference BIOS of intel
18:59<sampablokuper>smash, hmm, no, I didn't try a bios update.
19:00<sampablokuper>I'll look into that.
19:00<smash>well before
19:00<smash>try booting the kernel with pci=nommconf
19:00<smash>also check for a more recent bios
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19:00<smash>but at first I'd give that option a try tho
19:00<jt_>stop it
19:00<jt_>wrong channel
19:00<sampablokuper>ok, just hit ctrl+alt+delete, will edit grub to use pci=nommconf & let you know.
19:01<jt_>smash: yeah?
19:01<sampablokuper>Ok, it's booting the kernel now.
19:02<smash>ahh the 'wrong channel' referred to the stop it .. right didnt get that one jt ;)
19:02<smash>sampablokuper well then it's the 'broken' ACPI bios
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19:02<sampablokuper>No mmconfig errors this time.
19:02<smash>or rather a buggy MFCG table in the acpi bios
19:02<sampablokuper>But the other errors are still there.
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19:02<smash>you may check for a bios upgrade
19:02<smash>yes of not
19:02<smash>you disabled it and hence the kernel will not moan about it
19:03<smash>*of course not
19:03<sampablokuper>OK, I'll check for a bios upgrade.
19:03<sampablokuper>Thanks for suggestion :) Back in a mo!
19:03<lnievas>jt_ check it in your /etc/network/interfaces the line "auto lo"
19:03<smash>you should still be able to install/reboot whatsoever using this option
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19:03<jt_>lnievas: I have that too
19:04<lnievas>what runlevel it's running?
19:05<lnievas>jt_ what runlevel it's running?
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19:06<jt_>lnievas: ehh 3? I think..
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19:06<lnievas>jt_ cat /etc/inittab | grep initdefault
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19:07<jt_>lnievas: 2
19:07<lnievas>jt_ ok...
19:08<lnievas>jt_ ping ?
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19:09<jt_>lnievas: the output is id:2:initdefault:, and pinging if I don't do ifdown --force lo then ifup lo doesn't do anything, but if I do it now: 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.062 ms, et cetera
19:09<sampablokuper>Ok, I've found the following page on the Intel site for my chipset:
19:10<sampablokuper>It doesn't seem to offer anything that will let me upgrade the BIOS without already having Windows installed. Have I misunderstood it?
19:10<smash>well do you have an intel board?
19:10<smash>usually the board's manufactor offers bios upgrades
19:11<smash>which you should be able to initiate from a dos bootdisk or something like that (personally I often upgrade my hardware with an usb pendrive, but not all mainboards support this)
19:11<smash>fully booting from usb that is
19:12<sampablokuper>It's an Intel chipset.. I'll just have a quick look at the board itself to make sure the brand.
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19:13<lnievas>jt_ have any firewall running?
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19:14<jt_>lnievas: nope
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19:15<lnievas>jt_ can you ping other interfaces, like eth0, eth1
19:15<lnievas>jt_ can you ping other interfaces, like eth0, eth1 ?
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19:16<jt_>lnievas: I don't have them setup in /etc/network/interfaces, so I don't think so. This machine is a laptop so I only setup wlan0
19:16<sampablokuper>smash, sorry for delay. Sticker on board says it was mfr'ed by Foxconn. Can't see anything useful on their site. The machine is an HP ML110 G3. It has a "downloads" page here:
19:17<smash>if it a HP
19:17<smash>HP will probably release the bios update
19:18<amphi>sampablokuper: the OEM doesn't supply iso images?
19:18<sampablokuper>Unfortunately, they only seem to support versions of Linux other than Debian (e.g. Red Hat, Suse).
19:18<sampablokuper>amphi, iso images? What do you mean?
19:18<smash>this is not linux specific
19:18<amphi>bios upgrade iso images
19:18<smash>its a bug in their acpi bios soft/firmware
19:18<smash>not a linux issue
19:18<amphi>bootable iso images
19:19<sampablokuper>smash, right, but how would I run the software to upgrade the bios if not via some o/s?
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19:19<smash>as amphi suggested
19:19<smash>or usually via some sort of bootdisk
19:20<amphi>perhaps HP doesn't do them
19:20<sampablokuper>Can't see anything like that listed on the HP site for the ML110. Should I paste the full url rather than a tinyurl?
19:20<sampablokuper>You might spot something I missed or didn't understand! :)
19:21<smash>call HP
19:21<abrotman>i don't see a BIOS update .. i see firmware updates for components
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19:21<smash>yep same
19:22<jt_>lnievas: any ideas?
19:22<lnievas>jt_ route -v
19:22<sampablokuper>I'm trying some of the other links on the sidebar ("upgrade and migrate", etc) but can't see an iso.
19:23<jt_>Kernel IP routing table
19:23<jt_>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
19:23<jt_> * U 0 0 0 wlan0
19:23<jt_>default UG 0 0 0 wlan0
19:23-!-jt_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:23<amphi>my oem doesn't provide detailed changelogs for bios updates, which is a PITA
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19:23<themill>dpkg: tell jt_ about paste
19:24<jt_>oops >.<
19:24<smash>the wiki doesnt list anything related
19:24<sampablokuper>smash, thanks. Looking that up now.
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19:25<jt_>lnievas: did that help?
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19:26<lnievas>jt_ yep... "route add -net netmask lo"
19:27<sampablokuper>Hmm, I filed a bug for it: . Should I add this to the wiki?
19:27<adama>what happened to ??
19:27<jt_>lnievas: do I need to change to I get get an error saying netmask doesn't match route address
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19:31<jt_>lnievas: ?
19:31<lnievas>jt_ nop... that is the correct command, i repeat " route add -net netmask lo "
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19:31<lnievas>jt_ sorry for my very bad english, im from Argentina.
19:31<jt_>lnievas: well it's giving me an error, route: netmask doesn't match route address
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19:34<lnievas>jt_ ok wait me
19:34<sampablokuper>Hmm, seems HP doesn't support Debian on the ML110:
19:35<dpkg>one warez list being sent to ubuntu
19:37<smash>sampablokuper as I said this is not a distribution specific issue
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19:39<abrotman>ubuntu: you're in the wrong channel
19:39<sampablokuper>smash, right, but on the other hand, it means I'm unlikely to get much help directly from HP. What do you think my next move should be?
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19:41<smash>sampablokuper try to work with pci=nommconf .. or blame HP for that broken ACPI bios :-P
19:42<adama>I am trying to play a movie with mplayer on a box with no DE... here's what happens: ...what am I missing?
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19:43<abrotman>adama: problem is .. not such a good movie
19:43<adama>take off, you hoser
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19:44<abrotman>adama: is this the debian mplayer package?
19:44<adama>abrotman: yes
19:44<abrotman>i don't use mplayer .. but you may need a different output option ?
19:44<sampablokuper>Ok. I'm not sure what pci=nommconf does, though, so I should look it up & try to work out if it's likely to be problematic.
19:44<sampablokuper>For me
19:44<lnievas>jt_ response is "time out" ?
19:45<abrotman>did you try turning off acpi and apic ?
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19:45<jt_>from pinging local host? I have to kill it because it doesn't do anything
19:46<lnievas>jt_ ok...
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19:46<lnievas>jt_ iptables -F
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19:47<abrotman>that doens't work so well
19:47<jt_>lnievas: nothing
19:48<lnievas>jt_ iptables -F && ping
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19:49<abrotman>when you flush the iptables .. you kind of kill networking
19:50<jt_>lnievas: nothing, nothing comes back from localhost unless I do ifdown --force lo;ifup lo first.
19:52<F-Lelo>Im having relay access denied. This is my postconf -n report: - could anyone help me, please?
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19:54<d3co>yeah iptables! :)
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19:55<abrotman>F-Lelo: FYI there is a postfix channel on freenode
19:55<abrotman>F-Lelo: you're on the 192.168.7.* network right ?
19:55<abrotman>F-Lelo: does it also get denied from localhost ?
19:56<F-Lelo>abrotman: yes, it does
19:56<F-Lelo>abrotman: I'm on the postfix channel @freenode, but no one's answering for some time now
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19:56<sampablokuper>smash, thanks for your help. I've dug out an old copy of Windows 2000. I'll install that so that I can use the HP upgrade software (since it's available as .exe - but not as .iso). Then afterwards I'll try Debian again to see if the upgrades did any good. Cheers :)
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19:56<F-Lelo>abrotman: and yes, the IP of the server is
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19:57<F-Lelo>abrotman: I'm getting relay denied when sending email from the internet to this server
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19:57<abrotman>F-Lelo: oh .. not from your network outgoing
19:57<F-Lelo>abrotman: exactly. I can send emails from network without any problems
19:58<abrotman>F-Lelo: when you send email to it .. what is the address you're using ?
19:58<F-Lelo>abrotman: from gmail
19:58<F-Lelo>abrotman: or do you mean the address I'm sending to?
19:58<abrotman>i meant the address you're sending to
19:58<F-Lelo>abrotman: that one :)
19:59<abrotman>got it
19:59<abrotman>mydestination is blank
19:59<F-Lelo>I googled for and found out some ppl leave it blank aswell, that's why I didn't bother with it
19:59<abrotman>your mydestination
20:00<abrotman>try to fill it out and restart postfix
20:00<F-Lelo>I'll fill it ouy with, is that ok?
20:01<abrotman>no .. with your domain
20:01<F-Lelo>hmm I think not, just got the email back hehehe
20:01<F-Lelo>yeah! :)
20:01<abrotman>!feed me
20:01*dpkg feeds abrotman to the crocs.
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20:01<F-Lelo>hahaha =)
20:02<F-Lelo>abrotman: different error now... Recipient address rejected: no local mail delivery (state 14).
20:02<abrotman>yay relaying done!
20:02<abrotman>can you send mail locally?
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20:02<F-Lelo>yeah! part 1 done! yay hehehe =D
20:03<F-Lelo>lemme check =D
20:03<abrotman>like .. `cat /etc/group | mail`
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20:03<abrotman>from the system itself
20:03<F-Lelo>abrotman: it did not work
20:04<F-Lelo>I tried telnet localhost 25 and sending mail from there
20:04<F-Lelo>same error
20:04<abrotman>comment out line 8 .. restart .. try again
20:04<abrotman>restart postfix
20:05<F-Lelo>250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 2AB3C100C0FD
20:05<F-Lelo>yay \o/
20:05<F-Lelo>let's try over the net now :D
20:06<F-Lelo>yay again!!! \o/
20:06<F-Lelo>thank you very much, abrotman
20:06*abrotman gets a free .br email address! :)
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20:06<F-Lelo>hahahaha ;)
20:06<F-Lelo>this domain is ugly xD
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20:07<F-Lelo>now I'll try to set up some antispam...
20:07<F-Lelo>any hints/tips? =D
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20:08<abrotman>F-Lelo: the website has good links about UCE control
20:08<F-Lelo>ops, sorry
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20:08<F-Lelo>checking =D
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20:15<F-Lelo>abrotman: thank you very much, I think I'll stop for today. Tomorrow I'll try to set up some antispam for it! :D
20:15<F-Lelo>abrotman: have a nice evening ^^
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20:22<abrotman>that's right .. i'm a brasilian spam enabler! :)
20:23<apostle>I am having a problem with aptitude....I did a fresh install of lenny then I ran aptitude again and it wants to remove 601 freshly installed packages...I also notice that my time on clock is wrong.....Has anybody seen these errors?
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20:37<kapil>apostle: you can always run "aptitude keep-all" to solve the first problem. regarding your time your bios may be using a different timezone from what is set in /etc/default/rcS or your /etc/localtime
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20:49<ty>sup peoples
20:49<ty>what the subject
20:50<ty>is any1 here?
20:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:50<ty>oh well, bye guys
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20:51<ty>!fishing > ty
20:51<dpkg>i heard fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course...
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20:51<dpkg>fishing is, like, if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course...
20:51<noflash>ty, stop the crap
20:51<ty>i didnt was seeing if any1 was on
20:52<ty>wont happen again
20:52<noflash>do you have a debian question?
20:52<ty>ircd-hybrid questions
20:52<ty>about setting up eggdrop irc bot
20:53<noflash>try #eggdrop
20:53<ty>it has no1 on it
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20:57<ty>well, ubuntu's irc has better people
20:57<ty>so bye
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20:58<amphi>more human than human
20:59<smash>if that idiot were right, he wouldnt have asked in here in the first place
20:59<smash>poor him :\
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21:08<apostle>kapil, thanks you solved both my problems....I had utc checked and it screwed up my time...working fine
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21:26<AJR1>would anybody be so kind as to look at this -> - and tell me what the hell is up with my apt-get
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21:28<abrotman>AJR1: what's the normal output? (and the package is just called "icedove"
21:28<AJR1>abrotman - i have no idea "whats the normal output?" - thats basically what it spews out
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21:29<abrotman>and if you try to install icedove ?
21:29<AJR1>how do i do that ? :)
21:29<abrotman>AJR1: from "aptitude install icedove"
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21:29<AJR1>abrotman - says aptitude not found
21:30<abrotman>or apt-get install icedoev
21:30<abrotman>which version of debian is this?
21:30<AJR1>abrotman - i get the same output as in that pastebin link and im using Fedora 10
21:30<abrotman>so why are you asking us about apt-get ?
21:30<AJR1>because it worked
21:30<abrotman>ask the fedora channel on freenode
21:30<AJR1>at one point
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21:31<AJR1>:) sorry thought i had to ask here
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21:41<guntergunter>someone want to speak about ldap?
21:41<abrotman>what about it?
21:41<abrotman>there's a whole ldap channel on freenode
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21:42<abrotman> #ldap 59
21:42<guntergunter>i try to join freenode
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21:45<lee>Well my mother just purchased her first lap top with Linux. looks like I'll be the one to be maintaining her system, eh I need to learn more in- depth plus I need to know how to configure it so it is secure. any advice would be much appreciated .
21:47<abrotman>does it run Debian ?
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21:47<lee>if its an Acer I think it would.
21:47<abrotman>i don't think that actually runs debian .. but something based on it
21:47<lee>The last acer I loaded debian ran it beautifully, much better then my Dell lol
21:47<abrotman>such as .. Linpus
21:48<lee>iof the Acer is same as my freinds it will run it with out issue
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21:51<lee>What is Linpus? I never heard of that
21:51<lee>or is it a parody ?
21:52<abrotman>what is the laptop?
21:52<abrotman>the Acer One does not run Debian
21:53<lee>hmm, My firend Michael, has an acer dual cocore machine, with 1.6 ghz and his acer is running it, or is taht a fluke?
21:53<lee>eh it was runing that putrid piece of junk called vista
21:54*abrotman gives up
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21:58<lee>No, don't give up, I was just stating that I was able to load debian on it. I understand taht not all machines are compatible with Linux. I do not wish to argue, I just am making a statement, I can get the model or The Acer's name that is running it ..I am not here to argue with some one that may have more expieirence then me, that would m\be counter productive.
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22:49<apostle>I got lenny installed and the nvidia card working and solved the time issue and the aptitude issue....thanks for all the help...I installed the computer for my folks...all they ever use is the webbrowser and iceweasel is working great along with flash :)
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23:14<Luffy1980>Can anybody tell me what's the difference between debian-40r5-amd64-netinst.iso and debian-40r5-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso? I'm going to install debian to a new pc, so I'm searching for the right iso for my needs. After the installation I'm gonna set unstable as my default choice, so no problem about absolute(stable-like) stability.
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23:16<gsimmons>Luffy1980: The "etchnhalf" variant uses kernel 2.6.24 during installation, which is also installed within your new system.
23:16<gsimmons>!tell Luffy1980 -about etchnhalf
23:18<Luffy1980>gsimmons: Thanks!
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23:47<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know if a .deb package exists for the game called "Urban Terror"?
23:47<kingsley>If so, where is it?
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23:48<adb>fvwm-crystal: /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/Applications/20~Games/20~Action_Games/18~q3ut3~Q3A:_Urban_Terror
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23:53<shangqian>kingsley, can you give me you msn,i am from china ,i want become your friend
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