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00:01<apostle>enouf, no I did not even check....thanks for letting me know
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00:01<enouf>apostle: since you are running lenny - you can easily just grab the linux-image-version you want from sid at and dpkg -i it to try it out
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00:02<apostle>enouf, what other steps to configure that kernel? just the dpkg -i
00:03<enouf>which is only one minor revision newer anyways
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00:03<enouf>apostle: that's it
00:04<apostle>enouf, I will take some time to read and brush up on using dpkg, apt, and learning to file bugs by reading the documentation....I'm looking forward to getting good at this and then moving on to other testing. :)
00:04<enouf>apostle: just get into the habit of never 'removing/deleting/allowing the pkg management to remove' a known working kernel when you test out others
00:04<apostle>enouf, ok
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00:05<enouf>apostle: beauty ;-) /msg dpkg grounding
00:05<enouf>apostle: reportbug is good for filing bugs
00:06<apostle>yes I have read about it...just want to make my bug reports follow all the guidelines....
00:06<apostle>enouf, my eyes are getting tired
00:06<apostle>enouf, thanks for the help
00:07<enouf>apostle: np
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00:12<snogglethorpe>anyone know whether gnome-session populates the X resource database from somewhere?
00:12<snogglethorpe>I'm getting entries in there at login time that is long obsolete, but I don't know where they're coming from
00:13<snogglethorpe>(I _used_ to have a ~/.Xresources file with those entries but deleted it long ago; unfortunately, ...something... is remembering them...)
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00:19<somae7>I'm getting a bounce trying to use mixmaster - the error message is "authentication required" - I have smtpusername & password set in mix.cfg
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00:20<snogglethorpe>[I notice there's an "xrdb" plugin in gnome-settings-daemon, but there's no obvious documentation for it]
00:21<snogglethorpe>go gnome... :-(
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00:28<enouf>snogglethorpe: maybe gdm-setup related?
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00:30<snogglethorpe>enouf: hm
00:30<enouf>snogglethorpe: take comfort in knowing that kde is the same way - it'll remember shit you thought was long dead, and not recall your last most recently saved settings
00:31<ansichart>If I have the Debian NetInstall CD, how can you change what NIC card to use for installation?
00:31<snogglethorpe>if i could at least locate the place where it has the info stashed, I could nuke it...
00:31<enouf>checkout KSyscoca - heh .. or otherwise known as Ksyscokehead
00:32<enouf>snogglethorpe: i'm thinking you told it to use "Last known saved config" or "Remember last session" type settings ... see gconf-editor too perhaps
00:32<snogglethorpe>enouf: yeah i've tried clearing the xrdb and doing "save current settings"
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00:33<snogglethorpe>also trolling through gconf (both via the gui and using grep)
00:33<snogglethorpe>nothign seems to take...
00:35<enouf>snogglethorpe: ~$ egrep -r 'xrdb|Xresources' /etc/X11 try that
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00:35<somae7>is there a way to enable the "copy" function with xchat?
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00:35<chealer>ansichart: which card is it using?
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00:35<ansichart>chealer, it is using my non-wireless card
00:36<somae7>or is there another gui irc program that has it?
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00:37<chealer>ansichart: which card do you want it to use?
00:37<ansichart>chealer: I want it to use my Atheros Wireless card. And my guess is, that it's not supported by default... right?
00:38<chealer>ansichart: which Debian suite are you installing?
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00:39<ansichart>chealer, I am not sure what you mean by which suite, "debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso" is the image file name.
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00:40<chealer>ansichart: that is Debian 4. Atheros card are not supported in pure Etch. which Atheros chipset does your card use?
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00:41<chealer>s/pure Etch/the default Etch installer.
00:42<ansichart>chealer, I am not sure which chipset I am using... how might I find this out? I am currently on Ubuntu.
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00:42<ansichart>chealer: The drivers I am using for this one are the madwifi-dev drivers
00:43<chealer>ansichart: you can try # discover -t network
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00:43<ansichart>discover is not a recognized command
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00:44<chealer>ansichart: $ lspci|grep theros
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00:44<ansichart>06:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01)
00:45<ansichart>So I guess AR2413...
00:46<ansichart>chealer, I have the source code for the drivers I am currently using on Ubuntu... how would I use these drivers for doing the Internet Install from the Debian CD?
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00:52<chealer>ansichart: that should be supported by the ath5k driver, which is available in Debian's 2.6.24 Linux images. you should be able to install using that card using the "etchnhalf" installation images.
00:52<Desconocido>sorry by no...
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00:55<ansichart>chealer, what's the main different between the "ethnhalf" installation image and the one I have?
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00:56<ansichart>chealer, nevermind... I am reading about it now.
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00:59<ansichart>chealer, So when I use that etchnhalf CD image for the netinst installation, will it ask me what NIC card I would like to use?
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01:00<chealer>ansichart: it should
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01:01<ansichart>chealer, okay thanks for the help! :D
01:02<ansichart>chealer, I am downloading the ISO image now... got 3 minutes left... I love how the CD is so smal
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01:02<chealer>ansichart: me too
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01:03<MyWifeIs19>When I mount a samba disk, the network performance goes down by about 60%.... is this usual?
01:03<magicalmerlin>hehee good things come in small packages, plus with the net isntall I think you get the most recent updated version, But I maybe wrong with that one chealer correct me if Iam mistaken
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01:06<chealer>magicalmerlin: it depends on which netinst CD you use. the CD still contains some packages.
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01:07<magicalmerlin>Hmm I was thinking of Lenny? hm yeah I noticed that when i was installing the cd kicked on, I was wondering wahthe heck was going on
01:08<magicalmerlin>hmm I didn't know how much info that cd caried
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01:09<magicalmerlin>hmm I also noticed that twords the end it came up with some kind of disk read error but then it went to the net to finish installying the packages that were corupt, is this typical or did I jsut get lucky?
01:11<magicalmerlin>One thing I can say I began studying and reading the debian resource light reading
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01:12<MyWifeIs19>magicalmerlin, I found debian reference was much more helpful, and to the point.
01:13<magicalmerlin>hmm waht I meant to say is it coverd alot
01:13<magicalmerlin>I appologise if I misspoke
01:14<magicalmerlin>but you are right, it is to the point
01:14<m_>i want to select an alternate path for installing software package , for firefox .
01:15<m_>does anyone know how
01:15<magicalmerlin> How ever my small issue is I don't retain what Read, if I see it in audio and video format I can retain it a lot better
01:15<magicalmerlin>oh and I also have to learn by doing
01:15<m_>my harddrive is full now and i have to select alternate path for firefox
01:17<MyWifeIs19>m_, try moving something like /var to another hdd
01:18<m_>i would do that, i am not concerned too much ,so i would do it anyways
01:18*magicalmerlin is shocked to hear of a full hard drive
01:18<m_>the point is i ve allocated around 4 GB space as EXT3
01:19<magicalmerlin>Are you on a PS3?
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01:20<m_>i am using a PC Intel 86
01:20<ansichart>chealer, what is the md5sum of the debian-40r5-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso file? I took the md5sum of the file I downloading and got: 854eb7d3bbb773c9a6edf0c979134c34, but I google searched that... and no results.
01:20<magicalmerlin>hmm I am going to have to get debian for the PS3
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01:21<Desconocido>M_, your processor is I386?, or is x86 architecture
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01:21<magicalmerlin>oh I have one seriouse question any one here have a PS3 that is running debian?
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01:22<m_>yes it is
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01:22<MyWifeIs19>magicalmerlin, I saw one..... not worth the effort due to various hardware restrictions. all the interesting parts cannot be access :(
01:22<magicalmerlin>hmm yes, I understand taht part with the RSX Chip
01:22<chealer>ansichart: did you look in MD5SUMS.etchnhalf?
01:23<magicalmerlin>seems like some one should have cracked that by now
01:24<Desconocido>M_ can you install debian 4.0r5 in your processor if its i386, but i don't know the procedure. can you read the documentation on cd-roms installation or dvd installation
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01:25<ansichart>chealer: not sure what you mean
01:26<chealer>ansichart: in which directory did you find the debian-40r5-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso file?
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01:29<ansichart>On that page it says, "For the netinst and businesscard CD images, MD5SUMS and SHA1SUMS files are available from the same directory as the images. "
01:29<ansichart>chealer, nvm
01:29<ansichart>chealer, I figured it out, thanks.
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01:31<ansichart>chealer, my download was not corrupted, but I believe the CD burn was... I am not sure if I am the md5sum on it correctly though...
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01:32<ansichart>chealer: dd if=/dev/scd0 bs=2048 | head -c 157485056 | md5sum
01:32<magicalmerlin>ergles, I jsut found out that I have hyper threading CPU and an Anti card with hyper threading (not installed)? what is up with hyperthreading?
01:32<ansichart>chealer: and 157485056 is the number of bytes of the file
01:33<ansichart>chealer, that I found with wc -c <filename>
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01:34<Desconocido>the hiper tread (or ht) is a technology of processor. most good i don't know it is
01:35<chealer>ansichart: did you try # md5sum /dev/cdrom; ?
01:37<ansichart>chealer, yea... md5sum: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error
01:38<ansichart>chealer: and I just realized, when I did it with dd, I got dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
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01:40<my5elf>hi all
01:40<chealer>ansichart: well, are you able to read the disk?
01:40<enouf>optical media is such a pain the ass
01:40<my5elf>is it possible to list installed packages by which repository they're from? (,, etc)
01:40<enouf>it could be the drive that sucks ass even
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01:42<ansichart>chealer, I popped the CD out and put it back in, and now it's doing the md5sum on it, and it's taking much longer than it was before... so I am guessing it is working now
01:42<enouf>it could be you burnt in xa mode 2 .. or used track2 of a cdrw .. or any of a number of buggy hardware issues, like hal crap .. or even padding of blocks - try ejecting the sucker and reinserting -
01:42<enouf>yes, it is working
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01:43<enouf>ansichart: btw - does that drive happen to be a model listed in file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi ?
01:44<enouf>(or from that Manufacturer)
01:44<ansichart>enouf: It's working now, and file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi doesn't exist
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01:44<ansichart>Anyway, going to reboot and install debian
01:44<ansichart>thanks for the help guys
01:44<enouf>"HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8162B"
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01:45<enouf>ansichart: so .. you won;t tell us make/model?
01:45<enouf>dmesg | grep ATAPI (or use /var/log/dmesg if your dmesg is full of errors)
01:46<Desconocido>good bye to all!
01:46<enouf>Desconocido: were you asking about HT?
01:47<enouf>Desconocido: HyperThreading? that's an Intel Netburst architecture thing, most prevelant in their Pentium4 line
01:47<Desconocido>the ht is one technology of processor, but i don't most secure than is really
01:48<Desconocido>good bye to all
01:48<amphi>enouf: it's back in the nehalem chips, I think
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01:48<enouf>amphi: eww ... heh
01:48<amphi>another stench
01:48<my5elf>anyone have an idea about listing installed packages by repository?
01:49<penguin>by repository?
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01:49<amphi>enouf: I saw recently a laptop (new), with a turbo button - I thought never to see one again *sniff*
01:49<enouf>man grep-dctrl , or try aptitude - what does it matter which mirror they came from? you want Origin most likely from packages.gz or whateveer
01:49<amphi>it was very moving
01:50<my5elf>penguin, i want to see which packages i have installed are from
01:50<enouf>amphi: how befitting :-)
01:50<ansichart>When I tried booting the CD, it said it couldn't find the kernel image, /boot/vmlinuz
01:50<penguin>no way:)
01:50<Nemoder>dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' | grep debian-multimedia
01:50<dpkg>ii | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' | grep debian-multimedia 2.8-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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01:50<my5elf>thanks Nemoder
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01:50<Nemoder>bad dpkg, no cookie
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01:51<enouf>my5elf: easy enough with aptitude
01:51<my5elf>well, how?
01:51<enouf>~$ aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i
01:52<my5elf>uh. no.
01:52<my5elf>packages from don't all have "unofficial" in their name..
01:52<enouf>uh .. uh huh
01:52<enouf>here's another way
01:52<enouf>they had better have unofficial in their names
01:53<my5elf>bash: grep-status: command not found
01:53<enouf>!lose my5elf
01:53<dpkg>my5elf: You Lose.
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01:53<chealer>ansichart: did you have a reason to believe that your burn was corrupt?
01:53<my5elf>enouf, look, no need to act like a fucking asshole just because you don't know shit.
01:54<ansichart>chealer: no, I just wanted to make sure... and after doing an MD5sum on it, it matches up
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01:54<enouf>and unofficial is an Origin field value - not a name you weenie
01:55<magicalmerlin>WOW this is a suprise the first linux that alowed me to boot up after installing a card....
01:55<magicalmerlin>eh video card that is
01:55<my5elf>enouf, `aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i` returns zero fucking results
01:55<enouf>that's because you don't use aptitude you fucktard
01:56<magicalmerlin>ugg its a war starting
01:56*magicalmerlin hides under a table
01:56<my5elf>enouf, what the FUCK are you talking about?
01:56<my5elf>$ aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i
01:56<enouf>dctrl-tools: /usr/bin/grep-status
01:56<my5elf>[12:51:56 AM] enouf: ~$ aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i
01:57<my5elf>so what in the fuck do you mean 'dont use aptitue'
01:57<my5elf>your'e contradicting your damn self. I'm not a fucktard; you're obviously seriously stupid
01:57<enouf>you have no database ... because you generally haven't been using aptitude for installing pkgs you asshat
01:57<my5elf>yes, i have been
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01:57<ansichart>chealer, I am going to fuck with this later... it's getting late... i wasn't expecting to run into problems with installing. I've installed Slackware before no problem.. don't know why Debian is being difficult.
01:57<my5elf>so you need to STFU because you don't fucking know JACK
01:57<magicalmerlin>Woa ok guys can we cool it down please
01:57<enouf>then your mommy must've not changed your diaper lately
01:58<ansichart>chealer, anyway... thanks for your help
01:58<chealer>ansichart: that CD was built 2-3 days ago. it might be broken.
01:58<chealer>ansichart: someone else could try it, or you could try lenny
01:59<chealer>ansichart: or even 4.0r4
01:59<chealer>ansichart: it was a pleasure anyway
02:00<ansichart>chealer: Could I not use the etchnhalf and just do the normal install? And instead of using wireless, I can use my non-wireless one?
02:00<enouf>Proof is in the pudding ;-)
02:00<enouf>$ pi 'aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i'
02:00<enouf>Your paste URL is:
02:00<ansichart>chealer: and then I can download the wireless drivers for it later.
02:01<ansichart>chealer: that was more of a statement than a question... but yes, I think I'll just do that.
02:01<chealer>ansichart: oh. of course, if you can install using Ethernet, you don't need etchnhalf.
02:01<chealer>(the installation images)
02:01<enouf>more pudding for the baby ;-)
02:01<enouf>Your paste URL is:
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02:02<ansichart>chealer: but that means, I would need to unplug the ethernet from my Desktop computer which is running a server that is being used during the day mostly... I could probably do this at 3 AM when nobody would be using my server
02:02<my5elf>Maybe because you're working on some non-stable foo. ;/
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02:04<chealer>ansichart: maybe. or you can buy a cheap switch. you can install from a netinst CD with no Internet connection.
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02:04<simonrvn>blah blah blah, bleh bleh blah blah
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02:08<chealer>that case being suspended, is anyone "aware" of debian-40r5-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso being broken?
02:08<enouf>Nemoder: 's line kind of works here - but i notice there are fewer pkgs listed (quite a bunch, including all the acroread ones, etc)
02:08<my5elf>!lose dpkg
02:08<my5elf>enouf, can't i just list the full status with aptitude and use regular grep? I don't want to have to install `grep-status` just to do this.. also, a search for "~i" works but "~O" fails, here. (Etch)
02:08<dpkg>dpkg: You Lose.
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02:08<Nemoder>enouf: perhaps you have unofficial packages from sources other than debian-multimedia?
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02:09<enouf>Nemoder: not a chance ... nice try though ;-)
02:09<my5elf>maybe debian-multimedia doesn't tag as "unofficial"
02:09<my5elf>that' or Etch's aptitude doesn't allow "~O"..
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02:09<enouf>Nemoder: my system is a hodgepodge of versions and releases though - that i flat out admit ;-)
02:10<Nemoder>acroread shows up in my list.. shrug
02:10<enouf>Nemoder: is that the correct command i ran?
02:11<enouf>Nemoder: i mean, not sure if some of what you pasted got truncated or what ..
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02:11<Nemoder>looks right
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02:12<enouf>my5elf: i haven't been tied to etch for a long while now, so i don't know (but i do still have many pkgs of etch era)
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02:12<Nemoder>enouf: so what's your apt-cache policy acroread
02:13<enouf>o m g ... it's SLOW!! .. AGAIN! @_@
02:14*enouf RE RE RE Upgrades to the sid version ... again!
02:14<my5elf>there's no way to just easily list all packages by repo? :|
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02:14<my5elf>` dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'` seems to do it
02:14<my5elf>but i'm not very fond of such ugly bash heh
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02:15<Nemoder>enouf: ahhh hehe, i think that script is only checking the line above *** which is different for yours since you have multiple sources
02:16<enouf>Oh btw - for those that know what i mean by 'slow' .. i didn;t toy at all with tab completion this time
02:16<enouf>Nemoder: aha! ... :-P
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02:17<enouf>Preparing to replace apt 0.7.18 (using .../apt_0.7.19+b1_i386.deb) ...
02:17<enouf>Unpacking replacement apt ...
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02:18<simonrvn>!enoufsmite me
02:18*dpkg smacks simonrvn with man page (ordered by simonrvn).
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02:19<Nemoder>enouf: actually no, it's checking the line after *** which is odd since you don't have a source for the version you have installed
02:20<enouf>i don't?
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02:20<Nemoder>there's one for my mplayer with multiple sources
02:21<enouf>Well, i can assure you where acroread and related came from debian-multimedia
02:21<Nemoder>do you have the package held back from upgrade?
02:21<reggae_>hi peeps, i 'd been trying to install bridge-utils by aptitude install bridge-utils, it gave me 404 Not Found? is the server down or im doing and missing something else?
02:22<Nemoder>then i wonder why it says you have 8.1.2.su1-0.0 0 when 8.1.3 is available
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02:22<enouf>i haven't upgraded it in about a month or two ... and?
02:22<reggae_>im using debian lenny (testing) btw...
02:22<gsimmons>reggae_: Try "aptitude update" first, then attempt to install your package.
02:22<Nemoder>enouf: ohh, maybe you did an apt-get update but not upgrade yet?
02:22<enouf>maybe a tad more .. but i have run 'update'
02:22<enouf>to install other newer pkgs
02:22<Nemoder>that'd make sense then
02:22<simonrvn>reggae_: just wait a bit, they might be going through a "mirror pulse".
02:25<enouf>Nemoder: which explains also why when i went to downgrade apt recently after upgrading (a few hours back) that even using apt-get install apt=$version did say No installation Candidate (or similar) so i had to go grab it from p.d.o and dpkg -i it
02:25<enouf>s/upgrading/upgrading it*
02:25<reggae_>gsimmons: i tried "aptitude update" but alot of files couldn't be fetched, it says "connect (113 No route to host) (IP : 80) my sources.list outdated?
02:26<reggae_>simonrvn: ?
02:26<gsimmons>reggae_: You appear to have greater problems than that.
02:26<reggae_>gsimmons: omg.....should i reformat the whole system than that?
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02:27<enouf>oh stop with the dramatics ;-)
02:27<Nemoder>reggae_: what kind of net connection is it?
02:27<simonrvn>reggae_: what? don't think windows. in this case, think routes.
02:28<enouf>reggae_: a bad connection != reinstall everything ;-)
02:28<enouf>or even a mirror being down for maintanence
02:28<simonrvn>"no route o host" == the packets don't know where to go
02:29<enouf>is that 113 the port Identd thing?
02:29<Nemoder>it's an error code
02:29<jm_>port is 80
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02:29<simonrvn>enouf: no it isn't
02:29<enouf>thought so - just wondering if perhaps it was really really smart :-P
02:29<jm_>113 is errno
02:30<simonrvn>s, o , to ,
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02:31<enouf>reggae_: as others mentioned, route (and even arp) might be helpful - does everything else net related work?
02:31<reggae_>gsimmons: what do i need to alter then?
02:32<enouf>like browsing the web?
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02:33<reggae_>enouf: yes, browsing and others work like charm :)
02:34<Nemoder>from within debian?
02:34<enouf>reggae_: do you or did you have a proxy setup for apt/aptitude?
02:34<magicalmerlin>hmm i just reasise that I have a minor problem. I can't locate or find my vide card settings ti install my drivers
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02:34<enouf>your video card has no settings
02:34<reggae_>proxy setup? mind explaining abit?
02:35<magicalmerlin>erg.. my appologier the bad typing eh long day
02:35<MyWifeIs19>When I mount a samba disk, the speed of ftp download slows to %30 even though no other activity happens on samba side. so I umounted it and it's still the same.... is this usual behavior?
02:35<enouf>reggae_: answer the others - i'd say forget my proxy query
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02:36<reggae_>enouf: ill be happy if its the site having problems....
02:36<magicalmerlin>oh, i mean what it is I am trying to convey is how to get the propper drivers to enable 3d
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02:36<Nemoder>magicalmerlin: what videocard is it?
02:36<enouf>reggae_: likely not from that error message - easy enough to try another mirror
02:36<reggae_>enouf: since the site having problems can i just download and install straight the bridge-utils via the website itself?
02:37<magicalmerlin>My poor pethatic ATI X300
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02:37<reggae_>404 not found mite be the site having probs...
02:37<magicalmerlin>or should i just remove it and get a different card
02:37<Nemoder>!tell magicalmerlin -about fglrx
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02:38<reggae_>so whats the best recommended mirror should i use... besides debians ftp...
02:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
02:38<enouf>reggae_: /msg dpkg mi ... nm
02:39<reggae_>tx...ill try n see
02:39<enouf>reggae_: just comment out the known non-working one - add another one - wash, rinse, repeat ;-)
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02:40<reggae_>enouf: one more favor, how do i gedit the sources list again? its been a while i never touched my debian...
02:40<my5elf>okay.. for the record, enouf your grep-status recommendation works rather well except for the fact I need to install *yet another* package when simply trying to figure out wtf is going on with my existing packages (although i'm sure i could just manually grep /var/run/dpkg/status myself)... aptitude search for ~O fails, as does that long awkfu Nemoder posted and also dpkg !lose is fucking aggravating
02:41<enouf>reggae_: but yes, presuming you also grab the pkg dependencies and you get the correct versions for your installed release, you can d/l directly and install directly
02:41<my5elf>thanks ;x
02:41<enouf>reggae_: gksu ?
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02:41<enouf>reggae_: sudo? start a root shell and use a terminal editor?
02:41<magicalmerlin>!flgr x
02:42<reggae_>no i meant is it sources.list or something, i forgot...
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02:42*Sinterklaas gives blarson a pepernoot
02:42<enouf>my5elf: didn't mean for the 'lose' to be that annoying as fitting as it was ;-)
02:42<magicalmerlin>that was realy wierd, i down loaded then thw file disapeared
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02:43<enouf>!tell reggae_ -about sources.list
02:44<my5elf>enouf, ;p okay Mr Lenny :>
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02:44<reggae_>sorry my bad, recalled it from my memories now...
02:44<enouf>i meant to underline the word 'that' .. doh
02:45<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>.
02:45<enouf>magicalmerlin: it's f g l r x
02:45<dpkg>it has been said that fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
02:45<magicalmerlin>eh thanks
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02:50<my5elf>right now i'm just lucky .. if changes the maintainer? or if stops tagging silly version strings? or if I add an extra third party repo? I'm skkrewwd :D
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03:39<magicalmerlin>Well, I guess it is true my ati card is dammaged
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03:40<magicalmerlin>hmm I guess, I have a reason to get a different card, could use some recommendations though
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03:49<reggae_>enouf: thanks man, finally get my brctl installed....but now having problems on setting it up, i can't seem to get it work when i try bridging my wlan0 to my eth0....i followed the instruction at this web : (or anyone has any idea? i need help)
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03:53<gsimmons>reggae_: Provide your current /etc/network/interfaces file at a pastebin.
03:55<reggae_>gsimmons: hold up...
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03:57<gsimmons>reggae_: The /e/n/i example on the page you provided is flawed. More than one interface is required to be specified at bridge_ports (alternatively, "all"). "bridge_ports eth0" is somewhat useless.
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03:59<reggae_>gsimmons: u meant the site info is useless?
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04:00<reggae_>ok uploading my interfaces now...
04:00<gsimmons>reggae_: No, just an issue with that specific /e/n/i example. See also bridge-utils-interfaces(5) on your system.
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04:01<reggae_>owh sorry, my bad to misunderstand
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04:01<xmb>what sources do i need to enter@ net[boot| inst for x64 ?
04:02<reggae_>gsimmons: pls hold on, i need to offline again to upload the interfaces lines...
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04:06<chealer>xmb: what do you mean by "enter@ net[boot| inst"?
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04:07<xmb>from a netinst iso what amd64 sources do i need to enter there
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04:15<chealer>xmb: installing from a netinst iso needs no APT source (besides the CD)
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04:38<reggae5>gsimmons: sorry for late reply....i had difficulties in uploading the interfaces...somehow i managed to upload it...heres the link : (or anyone can have a look to see if i set up my bridge correctly)...tx
04:39<xmb>chealer> erm it asks quite for some, for updated sources[ packages], and my question is just which are the amd64 sources around
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04:42<xmb>erm sorry ... i guess the amd64 netinst iso contains em already
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04:45<jm_>xmb: it should present you with a list of mirrors to choose from, if the question is for additional entries, you can skip that I guess
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04:47<xmb>np, thanks
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04:48<seivan>Excuse me, what is the adress to non-free for Lenny (testing?)
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04:49<seivan>I need sun-java6
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04:49<reggae5>so anyone can cek whether my bridging setup is correct? :
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04:50<seivan>Excuse me does anyone know what the source address is for Lenny (testing?) for non-free packages, I kinda need sun-java6
04:50<jm_>seivan: no
04:50<gsimmons>reggae5: "bridge_ports" is not correct, for the reason I explained earlier. It should be set to "bridge_ports eth0 wlan0" in your case (or just "bridge_ports all"), as explained in bridge-utils-interfaces(5). Is the wlan0 interface established by network-manager? Your last four lines can be commented.
04:50<seivan>jm_: ?
04:51<jm_>seivan: start asking smart questions
04:51<seivan>jm_: How can I make it even more clear?
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04:51<jm_>seivan: read this
04:51<jm_>!tell seivan -about non-free
04:52<reggae5>gsimmons: yes my wlan0 is established by network manager (sumtimes rutilt) all i need to alter is bridge_ports eth0 wlan0?
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04:52<seivan>jm_: I dont understand, am I supposed to copy two new ones, or modify the two existing ones?
04:53<jm_>seivan: it's a matter of adding one extra word the the existing ones
04:53<seivan>jm_: two
04:54<seivan>jm_: contrib non-free is two words
04:54<jm_>seivan: good point :)
04:54<seivan>so I take it modify
04:54<gsimmons>reggae5: That and comment out the last four lines of your paste, they're not necessary. You can alternatively use DHCP for the bridge, if desired.
04:54<seivan>Thanks jm_
04:54<reggae5>btw i can include my wlan0 lines too?
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04:55<reggae5>cus i deleted them before bridging
04:55<gsimmons>reggae5: You're not required to if N-M (or others) are establishing the interface independently of /e/n/i.
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04:59<reggae5>ok then,
04:59<reggae5>ill try now....for now i have to go offline to try
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05:22<thuanlove>good have day
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05:23<thuanlove>have a nice day everybody
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05:36<villain>whats the most-easy way to spin down a hard-drive while boot-up?
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05:37<jm_>villain: ehh? why would one do that while booting?
05:37<villain>for my eeepc, im booting from a sd-card
05:37<villain>just a low-power-office-os-idea :P
05:38<jm_>you can use hdparm
05:39<thuanlove>where are u from
05:39<villain>mh i'll test it :) thanks
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05:42<reggae_>gsimmons: im back, but the results were the same, i tried both "bridge_ports eth0 wlan0" and "bridge_ports all", it didn't work.....the wifi works but the ethernet sort of won;t work and vice versa....
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06:05<paul68>hi I have a question is it possible repair my grub
06:05<paul68>and if it is possible how do I do this
06:05<petemc>is what way is it broken?
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06:06<paul68>petemc: I installed suse this morning on my first partition while I'm running ubuntu on my second, at this point I can't start ubuntu since it can't find the path, is there a way that I can through the live cd repair it
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06:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:21<tw1nv1wer>I have nvidia twinview dual monitors enabled in xorg.conf with orientation "LeftOf" and if I'm at the gdm login screen, it works properly, I see my mouse if I move out of the primary screen.. But as soon as I log into GNOME, the second monitor looses connection and goes black for some reason. If I set orientation to "Clone", then it works normally even after logging in. (Although Clone is useless for my purpose) .. Any clues on what's wrong?
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06:25<reggae_>gsimmons: i still can't get my bridging work, though i alter the "bridge_ports eth0 wlan0" .....will brctl work in my case where i wan to share my laptops internet with few devices through router? anyone?
06:25<reggae_>or is it better to use ipmasq instead?
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06:32<taksidiaris>hi all
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06:33<reggae_>anyone who is pro at bridging network? i need help...i wanna bridge my laptop that receives internet wirelessly to the router, so from the router i can share wif many devices...
06:33<reggae_>hi taksidiaris
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06:36<reggae_>or this mite b a lil out of topic, "for those who noe how to bridge network in mac osx, can help me too...)
06:36<reggae_>heard bout door step x
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06:43<Nemoder>reggae_: this is the guide i started with for my NAT:
06:44<reggae_>easier xplanation, i need to bridge my wlan0 to eth0, where eth0 is connectd to my router to share wlan0 connection through latptop...
06:44<jm_>i think he was told to use ipmasq package already
06:44<reggae_>nemoder: tx
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06:44<reggae_>will atke alook at it now...
06:44<Nemoder>oh nice, didn't know there was a package to set it up now
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06:45<reggae_>yeah, i was told to use ipmasq already, so for now im going to try it...
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06:46<reggae_>may i know wat ipmasq does? wats the diff between ipmasq n brctl>?
06:46<reggae_>nemoder: u gave me a broken link?
06:46<Nemoder>if you setup ipmasq then you don't need a router to do your NAT, just a switch
06:46<Nemoder>link works for me
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06:50<reggae_>nemoder: so if i dun use ipmasq i need to setup NAT in my router, cus i definitely will b using my router to share to few devices...
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06:50<reggae_>btw the link : querading-Simple-HOWTO/intro.html ...really dun work...u sure?
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06:51<jm_>there is no space in the link
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07:02<reggae_>bridge from wlan0 to eth0? anyone>?
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07:04<sep>reggae_, install bridge-utils, add bridge to your modules list. and create a /tc/network/interfaces bridge stanca (from the example in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/)
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07:05<reggae_>install bridge-utils...done
07:06<reggae_>add bridge to module.list, if u meant network/interfaces, then its done.
07:06<reggae_>bout the stanza im not quite sure wat u meant
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07:06<reggae_>heres my network/interfaces anyways :
07:07<reggae_>sep: ^^^^
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07:08<sep>you have a bridge there allready i notice
07:08<sep>are you going to add wlan0 to br0 ?
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07:10<reggae_>yes...i added that line, its now "bridge_ports eth0 wlan0" .....
07:10<reggae_>anything i need to alter again? cus i still can get my net working via eth0..?
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07:11<sep>you restarted the interface ?
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07:13<reggae_>yeap i restarted the whole laptop...
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07:18<sep>brctl show to inspect your bridge
07:18<sep>make sure both interfaces that are in the bridge are without ip's and are up (ifconfig)
07:18<sep>check iptables if any
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07:21<reggae_>sep: u meant both interfaces musnt have any ip assign?
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07:23<sep>reggae_, correct only br0 should have ip's
07:24<reggae_>sep: ok so now both my wlan0 and eth0 has ip, how do i set them to no ip's?
07:25<sep>reggae_, dont set any address or dont use the dhcp method in interfaces file
07:25<sep>you can use the manual method forinstance
07:26<sep>man interfaces for details
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07:29<reggae_>sep: wait...
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07:30<sep>sorry no can do, i am leaving the keyboard for today. good luck
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07:32<reggae_>sep: ok thanks btw
07:32<reggae_>sep: if u r still around now, could u just tell me how to set it manual....i dun get the man interfaces...its too pro for me
07:33<reggae_>sep: u meant use static instead of dhcp.?
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07:33<jm_>you can find examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown and man interfaces
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07:38<apostle>what is a good joystick for playing nintendo emulator?
07:39<Khwerz>any configured correctly
07:39<Khwerz>i use a ps2 one
07:41<reggae_>gues u r means anybody else can help me bridge from wlan0 to eth0...
07:42<reggae_>jm_: no luck man....i cant find examples in ifupdown, it says its a directory...
07:42<jm_>reggae_: so list files in it, and read them
07:42<apostle>Khwerz, do you have the model number? I want to pick one up today
07:42<reggae_>no files regarding the manual ip assign
07:42<Khwerz>its original
07:42<jm_>reggae_: most notably /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
07:42<jm_>yes there are
07:42<Khwerz>apostle: its a converter
07:42<reggae_>i only can see bridge, pin, and some stuffs in the directory
07:42<jm_>you just didn't bother reading any of it
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07:43<reggae_>saw it
07:43<jm_>you only need auto eth0 ; iface th0 inet static I guess
07:43<enouf>reggae_: zless is one way to view .gz files - there are many other ways too - and if you want, you could just gunzip them
07:44<apostle>Khwerz, super thanks
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07:45<Khwerz>apostle: pc gamepads are horrible... ur better off buuying a controller from a console and using a converter
07:45<Khwerz>they break 5 months later
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07:46<enouf>i suppose you like the PS2 console controller? :-p
07:46<enouf>how short is that dang usb cable?
07:47<enouf>looks like it's about as long as my _____ :-P
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07:47<apostle>Khwerz, cool thats what I will aim to do....I have installed emulators for years but never play much cause joysticks never work right
07:48<reggae_>i dun understand most of the things there, too many symbols used...n beginners like me would'nt understand, all i noe is change to iface eth0 inet manual, thats the only line i understand...
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07:48<enouf>my .. cord ties for my wires ;-)
07:48<stevecotton>enouf: but the leads on the PS2 controllers are long
07:48<enouf>stevecotton: i see - so you have this convertor hanging out the back of your pc - nice
07:48<reggae_>but problem is after changing to manual, wat ip, gateway, and netmask i should assing? all
07:49<enouf>stevecotton: i'd pay another 5 bucks for another 5' of wire ;-)
07:50<Khwerz>enouf: or you can simply get a wireless one... tho id doubt one would work... (at least mine didnt)
07:50<enouf>15pin gameport connector, now there's a connector :-P
07:50<stevecotton>enouf: ports on the front, or a USB extender
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07:51<reggae_>jm_: alright i had "auto eth0
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07:52<reggae_>and "iface eth0 inet static"
07:52<reggae_>the address n others will be right?
07:53<jm_>no, just don't include them at all
07:53<reggae_>jm_: so my line will stop at "iface eth0 inet static"
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07:54<jm_>reggae_: yes, comment out the other lines related to this stanza, in case you need them again
07:54<jm_>reggae_: but don't touch other stanzas obviously
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07:56<reggae_>ok....ok, all set to static, will reboot my machine now and try the bridging again
07:56<reggae_>tx jm_
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08:17<apostle>Khwerz, how do I full screen the emulator?
08:17<apostle>the -fs option does not work
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08:19<dk4nno>nos dias
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08:20<Khwerz>apostle: no idea... what emu you using?
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08:20<apostle>fce ultra
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08:22<Khwerz>hmm ni idea no lo e usado
08:23<Khwerz>ooops i meant i havent used it... (O_o thats the first time it happens)
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09:16<NaN0>guys im a bit stumped on somthing with wireless. useing iwl3945 from compat-wireless kernel 2.6.26-1-686
09:17<amphi>is it a secret?
09:17<NaN0>basically it won't load my modules on boot up
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09:17<NaN0>FATAL: Module mac80211 is in use.
09:17<NaN0>its loaded somthing on boot but i can't find out where from
09:18<amphi>you'd get that attempting to remove mac80211
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09:18<NaN0>i have 2 sets of drivers.. the ones that came with the kernel (i think) and the ones i have installed useing compat-wireless-2.6-old
09:18<amphi>why are you trying to remove it?
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09:19<NaN0>the wrong ones load up - when i remove them and load the modules useing 'make load' inside the dir compat-wireless-2.6-old it works
09:19<NaN0>but i want this to happen on boot
09:19<amphi>did you 'make install' the compat-wireless ones?
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09:19<amphi>then it should be using the new ones
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09:19<s_i_m>NaN0, blacklisting that module might help
09:19<NaN0>they installed into the updates/ directory so i replace the ones in kernel/ with those?
09:19<NaN0>bad move?
09:20<amphi>modinfo iwl3945 will tell you what version of the module is to be used
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09:20<NaN0>filename: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko
09:20<NaN0>ok thats correct
09:20<amphi>do you _know_ the wrong version is loaded at boot?
09:21<amphi>or is that just a buttumption?
09:21<NaN0>right ok - maby its loading the correct modules
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09:21<NaN0>heres the next thing - i think it will only load the modules if i switch the hardware wireless switch off - back on - reboot laptop and it works
09:21<NaN0>(I think..) just testing
09:22<NaN0>Im new to modules and how they work so forgive my stupid question if there are any
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09:23<NaN0>ok yep that worked
09:23<NaN0>from a clean boot - wireless dosent work on boot
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09:23<NaN0>turn hardware switch off - back on - reboot. wireless works on boot up
09:23<NaN0>its a dell XPS m15030
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09:24<amphi>if you cold boot with the hw switch on, it doesn't load the modules?
09:25<NaN0>nope, dosent load them
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09:26<NaN0>ill cold boot and look in dmesg
09:27<amphi>and look around under /sys/class/rfkill
09:28<NaN0>humm it worked fine again
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09:33<NaN0>ok this is whats happening
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09:34<amphi>NaN0: interesting, I've not seen that one - does google know anything about it?
09:35<NaN0>nothing useful that i have found so far
09:35<reggae_>hi peeps, i successfully bridged between wlan0 and eth0...but now a problem arises, i do not receive internet connection from wlan0 now...? is there something i did wrong?
09:36<NaN0>that was without the power cable pluged in - ive rebooted with the power cable in - maby thats effecting it
09:36<NaN0>some users say the dell wifi catcher thing breaks it - ive disabled that in the bios too
09:36<NaN0>ok thats it
09:36<NaN0>if the power cable is in - works fine
09:36<NaN0>if its out - gives me that dmesg error
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09:38<amphi>NaN0: but, it will function ok while running on battery if you do your dance?
09:38<amphi>how odd
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09:39<n3rodinott3>hi to everybody
09:39<NaN0>seems like the wireless card is in some odd mode if the power cable isnt plugged in and needs the hardware switch flipping to change the mode of it
09:39<NaN0>ie: my dace :)
09:39<n3rodinott3>uhm..can i ask for support on chan?
09:40<reggae_>when the wlan0 is not bridge, it will act usual, having me browing net on my laptop, after bridging wif eth0, the wlan0 will not give any internet connection, there must be a conflict somewhere between both....? anyone? i tried if up and if down still no go?
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09:40<n3rodinott3>i have problem with the installation doesnt find any cd-rom module..?
09:41<n3rodinott3>but after loading the installation process from the cd itself.
09:41<n3rodinott3>is the 4.0 version using an old kernel version?
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09:42<NaN0>looks like i need to find what power mode profile the card is in with the cable plugged in, then replicate that setting on the unpluged power profile
09:43<amphi>NaN0: what about it?
09:43<NaN0>no idea how..
09:43<NaN0>without the cable debian must put the card in some power saving state
09:44<amphi>why? you said it worked fine on battery if you boot with the hw switch off, and then turn it on, right?
09:45<amphi>I would check that it does so
09:46<NaN0>that won't work
09:46<NaN0>debian wont see the card so wont attempt to load the module
09:46<NaN0>'cus its phisically turnt off
09:47<NaN0>i could turn it on once i debian - then load the module manully
09:47<NaN0>but that defeats the object of making it work on boot up
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09:48<NaN0>"Next, we tweak the wireless power saving mode:"
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09:50<willemb>Iceowl is complaining when I start up icedove
09:50<willemb>it says
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09:51<willemb>"The calendar data in your profile was updated by a newer version of lightning, and continuing will probably ause the information to be lost or corrupted. Lightning will now be disabled and Icedove restarted
09:51<willemb>I want to use iceowl in icedove :-(
09:51<willemb>the iceowl standalone client works fine
09:51<willemb>any ideas?
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09:58<amphi>NaN0: I'm not sure you're on the right track
09:58<amphi>NaN0: see
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10:07<apostle>I want to play some games with a nintendo emulator, Where can I go to see if my joystick is set up properly?
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10:11<apostle>never mind its working :)
10:12<And1>Heya, I dist-upgraded to lenny and now my X doesn't work anymore... using nvidia-driver here, what can I do? - Lemme search the error message..
10:12<And1>XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
10:13<And1>Or, if I use an empty xorg.conf, "failed to load module vesa" "no drivers available"...
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10:14<And1>... I built the nvidia-driver via m-a.
10:14<apostle>And1, I had a similar problem
10:15<And1>apostle: Did ya find a solution? =)
10:15<apostle>I solved it actually by sticking another video card in order to access a website
10:15<Valtiel>erase yout xorg.conf
10:15<Valtiel>and start x
10:15<apostle>I downloaded the driver off nvidia
10:15<apostle>and then put my nvidia card back in
10:15<amphi>NaN0: did you get the url I posted?
10:15<apostle>and then installed the Nvidia driver
10:15<amphi>NaN0: or was it lost in the netsplat?
10:15<apostle>from there website
10:16<And1>Valtiel: Well, I already built a new, empty xorg.conf via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
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10:16<apostle>And1, I also had to install some linux-headers and such
10:16<apostle>but the card is working great now
10:16<Valtiel>And1: no erase it
10:16<Valtiel>remove a file xorg.conf
10:16<And1>apostle: Hmm, hope there is another way than using this driver.
10:16<And1>Valtiel: Also tried that, then X claims, there is no configfile.
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10:17<apostle>And1, the driver from Nvidia mean you don't want to use theres it works fantastic
10:17<And1>Valtiel: Besides, failed to load module vesa, fbdev, vga.
10:17<Valtiel>try to reinstall driver
10:18<Valtiel>and reconfigure an automatic
10:18<And1>Valtiel: ... I tried that. - Well, what do you mean with reconfigure an automatic?
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10:19<Valtiel>When you installing driver
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10:19<Valtiel>he's ask a reconfigure xorg.conf
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10:20<And1>It's the same as doing dpkg-reconfigure xorg, mh?
10:20<feddsagg>hi guys =)
10:21<feddsagg>does someone know how to change the placement of the "line" on the top which u use to move the window n to close it in fluxbox?
10:22<feddsagg>on the top of a window
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10:30<NaN0>amphi - diddnt get the url
10:30<NaN0>but i _think_ ive fixed it
10:30<NaN0>got the card up
10:30<NaN0>then did iwconfig wlan0 power off
10:30<amphi>more descriptive than helpful
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10:31<amphi>NaN0: how will that fix it? the error causes the module to fail to load, no?
10:31<NaN0>just wondering if 'iwconfig wlan0 power off' is retained after boot
10:32<NaN0>welp, from what i can tell - when the laptop is running on battery the card gets put in some power saving mode causing the module to fail to load
10:32<NaN0>so running that cmd should of disabled power saving mode on battery (i think)
10:32<NaN0>and it seemed to of worked
10:32<amphi>easy enough to test; run iwconfig wlan0 | grep \^Power after booting
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10:34<amphi>er, 'iwconfig wlan0 | grep Management
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10:34<NaN0> Power Management:off
10:34<OdyX>Hi. Somehow, in Lenny, the resolver chooses always the ipv4 ip over the ipv6 one
10:34<OdyX>even if I have a global IP on the interface...
10:34<ranix>ipv6 is stupid
10:34<ranix>ipv4 is enough for everybody
10:34<amphi>NaN0: after booting?
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10:34<NaN0>so far
10:34<amphi>on battery?
10:34<NaN0>gunna do a fgew more cold boots
10:35<OdyX>that's not my question ranix (without arguing on your POV)
10:35<ranix>OdyX: just trolling, sorry. I thought I was in freenode
10:35<OdyX>ranix: ;)
10:35<amphi>nice, if that's all it takes
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10:36<NaN0>nobody on the net has seemed to of worked a fix out for it
10:36<NaN0>oddley enough
10:36<NaN0>i would of thought its a commen thing
10:36<NaN0>well, everyone is saying its 'random' not working on boots
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10:36<NaN0>but with a bit of trail and error - its power managment
10:37<amphi>NaN0: you seem to be the only one who has detected a pattern
10:37<ranix>bug report time
10:37<ranix>is that release critical?
10:37<ranix>sounds like it may be
10:38<NaN0>installing useing 'testing'
10:38<amphi>NaN0: the driver you currently use is not the debian one, but the compat-wireless one, right?
10:39<amphi>did the driver in the debian kernel behave the same way?
10:39<NaN0>im pretty sure it did
10:39<NaN0>thats why i ended up installing this compat one
10:39<NaN0>.. coem to think of it
10:40<amphi>right, that's what I thought - just checking ;)
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10:40<NaN0>but at the time i diddnt see a pattern
10:40<NaN0>on cold boot ' Power Management:off
10:40<NaN0>fixed.. for now
10:40<amphi>it might be worth seeing whether this fix works with the debian kernel driver also (I expect it will)
10:41<NaN0>i would like to - but i dont fancy copying the old drivers back and testing.. just incase it cocks up again :)
10:41<NaN0>need to test if its dell m1530 specific
10:41<NaN0>i think it is
10:41<NaN0>most google results relate to this laptop
10:41<amphi>NaN0: just do make uninstall in the compat-wireless src dir if I recall correctly
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10:41<amphi>that should restore the original modules
10:42<amphi>the README describes this
10:42<amphi>make install will restore the compat-wireless modules once more
10:42<NaN0>i actully moved the drivers out of the update and put it back
10:42<NaN0>ill move all the dir`s back and test
10:42<NaN0>1 mo
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10:43<amphi>if I recall correctly there's no need to do that; compat-wireless's make install moves the originals somewhere, and installs its own; uninstall reverses the procedure
10:43<NaN0>thats what i did
10:43<amphi>it's been a while since I used it
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10:45<NaN0>testing now
10:46<NaN0>no wireless
10:46<NaN0>loads of odd errors
10:46<NaN0>[ 9.405029] iwl3945: disagrees about version of symbol __ieee80211_get_assoc_led_name
10:46<NaN0>[ 9.405029] iwl3945: Unknown symbol __ieee80211_get_assoc_led_name
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10:47<NaN0>i dont think it put the old drivers back
10:47<NaN0>giving up on that for now
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10:51<sheldonh>can i do something inside a shell script to set the process title, such that ps reports "/usr/bin/foo" instead of "/bin/sh /usr/bin/foo"?
10:52<NaN0>somthing like that
10:53<NaN0>or actulyl somthing like '{print $1}'
10:53<NaN0>well, $2
10:53<NaN0>i think, ud have to check syntax
10:53<NaN0>'bash text processing'
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10:54<sheldonh>NaN0: erm. no. i mean to simulate setproctitle, not parse text in a shell script :)
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10:55<amphi>NaN0: if you moved the originals yourself, it couldn't put them back ;)
10:55<NaN0>mmhumm :)
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10:56<amphi>NaN0: you'd need to reinstall your kernel package, make install compat-wireless, and make uninstall compat-wireless to test
10:56<amphi>I'm pretty sure that's how it worked; it was easy to revert to the original drivers when I messed about with compat-wireless
10:57<NaN0>yah i could copy the old dir structor back to restore the old drivers
10:57<NaN0>and make uninstall
10:57<NaN0>buut ive just fixed the issue i reeeally dont want to have to spend time again going over the process
10:57<NaN0>im sure ill do it soon in the next few days and find out, i let yo uknow
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11:00<amphi>NaN0: it would be good to know that your fix works for the driver in the debian kernel
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11:03<bgat>can someone talk me through the configuration steps to bridge a qemu host to my workstation's ethernet controller?
11:03<bgat>... or point me to a HOWTO?
11:03<apostle>I want to bind my joysticks keys to my snes emulator...Can someone help me?
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11:04<reggae_>hi peeps, i had successfully bridge both wlan0 and eth0 of my network to share laptops wifi connection to my router, however i realize that every time i bridge i can't have any internet connection in my laptop itself...really need help here, i got a feeling im getting one step closer n i think im missing out sumting simple...
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11:04<reggae_>bgat: another bridging issues, welcome to the team man... :)
11:05<bgat>I think I need tuntap, since I want to allow arbitrary incoming connections...
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11:05<bgat>... unless vde2 lets me do that.
11:06<reggae_>bgat: wat does tuntap do?
11:06<reggae_>bridging never been so easier with debian
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11:07<reggae_>debian is for pros, ppl like me uses windows xp (easier life), but i chose debian cus u can do lots of things wif it...
11:07<reggae_>i mean lots of it!
11:08<reggae_>back to the topic, can someone help me wif my issues?
11:08<jos>is it posibull to run debian on mac 8 3,2ghz
11:08<reggae_>yeah man
11:08<reggae_>it'll be super fast n smooth
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11:08<jos>but i mean witout paqrle desktop
11:08<jos>ore vmware
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11:09<jos>parellel desktop
11:09<reggae_>yeah, i think u can install a fresh copy of it
11:09<jos>is there how to
11:09<reggae_>wats the problem of it, cus i am using it on a mac, but very old version of it...
11:09<jos>mac is not oke did linus for many years
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11:09<reggae_>wats ur arch
11:10<jos>you think icnainsal linux witout any problem on my mac
11:10<jos>mac you mean
11:10<jos>ore linux
11:10<jos>normal i ike ubuntu
11:10<reggae_>yeah, but beginners like me having big time, spending months for it to work
11:10<reggae_>wats ur arch
11:11<reggae_>i think it'll definitely work
11:11<jos>wel i run linux nauw in parallels desktop
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11:12<user090>Hi unixers of Good
11:12<jos>mac os 10.5.5
11:12<jos>8 core
11:12<reggae_>just download a copy of etch or lenny of ur arch, and slot it in, press c or i forgot wut key was that (in ibook and some macs) to bring u to the installation...
11:12<jos>3,2 ghz
11:12<reggae_>its actually easy, if u get the right arch
11:12<user090>I have a question
11:13<reggae_>that must be a hardcore machine man
11:13<ike>i ike debian
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11:13<jos>yes its fast as hell
11:13<jos>but the mac os i doint like
11:13<jos>yes 8 core
11:14<jos>mac pro 8 core 3,2 ghz about 4400 euro
11:14<reggae_>do u think vista copied some components from debian
11:14<user090>Anyone can help me?
11:14<reggae_>cus the wallpaper n stuffs looks alike
11:14<reggae_>if so, ill say debian rUlez
11:14<dr|z3d>reggae_: Microsoft always does a ham-fisted job of copying. Nothing to worry about.
11:15<jos>[ripping... ] Buddha - Bar I Dinner - Aria _ Un Bel Di [ 1,57M]
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11:16<reggae_>hi peeps, i had successfully bridge both wlan0 and eth0 of my network to share laptopswifi connection to my router, however i realize that every time i bridge i can't have any internet connectionin my laptop itself...really need help here, i got a feeling im getting one step closer n i think im missing out sumting simple..(copied if someone helpful missed out, sorry cant help it, cus i really need help on this)
11:16<jos>but in parellel desktop ubuntu run faster then normal in the mac lol
11:16<jos>only the tools i must have
11:17<apostle>I want to install a gui for an snes emlator...when I go to compile it complains of packages must I install?
11:17<jos>for thexorg
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11:17<jos>ore taken vmware fusion\
11:17<jos>oere parellel desktop
11:17<jos>ore wine
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11:21<reggae_>dr|z3d: (nod)
11:21<reggae_>this is so sad...
11:21<reggae_>wander how it gets so famous
11:22<reggae_>im suspecting theres a backstage action :O
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11:23<reggae_>im still waititng for some help..... :( ...trying n trying hard/...
11:25<And1>Hrm, what does this mean? "XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0""
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11:26<reggae_>And1: u tryna download sumtin?
11:27<NaN0>When trying to install the nvidia linux driver from the site
11:27<NaN0>im getting -
11:27<And1>reggae_: Nope? - Xorg prints that... My X is very slowly and some characters/linex are printed wrong...
11:28<reggae_>that case i dun noe how to help, i *** too.
11:28<reggae_>:( sorry pal
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11:29<reggae_>so anyone here good in bridging wireless to ethernet router connection??/
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11:35<reggae_>can anyone just tell me is this : and this : , using the same setup? if so ill start to learn from the page...some pros pls help me verify...
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11:42<And1>Hmm, iceweasel 3 doesn't open my last windows and tabs from the last time... any ideas?
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11:42<reggae_>any one can verify
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11:47<reggae_>nvm...ill offline n come back again...
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12:15<mike>I'm building a VMWare Server 2 machine and I want to make sure all the software is secure and up-to-date.
12:15<mike>Is there a command-line version of update-manager?
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12:18<dr|z3d>apt-get also works.
12:18<amphi>mike: you might want to subscribe to debian-security-announce
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12:18<dr|z3d>mike: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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12:20<harvey>geia se olous
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12:20<mike>Thanks all. Is there anything wrong with putting apt-get update && apt-get upgrade into crontab? Are those commands interactive?
12:21<stew>mike: apt-get upgrade is maybe interactive, and not recommended to be run unattended, becuase if something goes wrong, you won't be there to fix it. have a look at the cron-apt package
12:21<fxiny>install apticron or cron-apt
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12:27<mike>stew: Thanks.
12:27<fxiny>i was apt searching for urxvt , found none so i compilied it , then i realized urxvt "perl tabbed" i wanted was in rxvt-unicode-ml : urxvt is /usr/bin/urxvt
12:27<mike>fxiny: You too :-)
12:27<fxiny>mike: me ? i was late
12:28<ranix>mike: it's not a horrible idea to put apt-get update into crontab
12:28<ranix>upgrade, no
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12:28<ranix>update, that's kind of interesting
12:28<ranix>I usually do it on a need basis though
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12:30<fxiny>best is what amphi suggested . i do not upgrade anything until i receive a mail
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12:35<mike>I think that's what I'll be doing. Thanks, all.
12:36<fxiny>ohh the muses are singing to me . idea : a procmail recipe , so nerdish ;)
12:38<ranix>fxiny: how would you cook procmail? Perhaps if you breaded it, in a skillet
12:38<ranix>fxiny: would marsala wine sauce go well with mushrooms and procmail?
12:38<fxiny>that will save me from typing aptitude update , and i think is pretty logic
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12:39<fxiny>ranix: why should i bother debian servers ? a dsa and voila' aptitude update
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12:39<ranix>fxiny: delicious. But, there is danger you will be marked by the package maintainers
12:40<ranix>fxiny: it's a double-edged sword, I can't recommend to amateurs
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12:41<fxiny>ranix: why ? i think is logic , 99% of my aptitude updates are useless
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12:41<fxiny>ranix: not saying upgrade/download just update
12:42<fxiny>ranix: only one problem : i hate sudo :P
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12:43<ranix>fxiny: could run in root's crontab to check your mail
12:43<fxiny>i am not good at coding : i am sure such a package will be welcome :)
12:44<ranix>fxiny: especially with maildir sorting, mail is easy to scrape
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12:44<fxiny>ranix: a specific package for subscribed users
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12:44<ranix>but, the bandwidth is probably worth less than the time
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12:45<fxiny>ranix: how many times you type : aptitude update ?
12:45<ranix>fxiny: have not typed it yet ;)
12:45<fxiny>and why if no dsa telling you to do it ?
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12:45<fxiny>i mean is not logic
12:45<ranix>fxiny: I am still an apt-get man from days long past
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12:47<fxiny>ranix: i always double check apti with apt : i keep logs of full packages names upgrades
12:47<dpkg>somebody said cron-apt was a highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that will never have broken package or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update>
12:47<ranix>fxiny: I could whip up a scanner that searches your maildir to find dsa and dpkg -L | grep package name and send out another mail if the dsa is relevent
12:47<adama_>is there no linux-headers available for 2.6.25 ???
12:47<ranix>fxiny: but I will not, it is boring!
12:47<themill>And if you enable pdiffs, the bandwidth usage is minimal.
12:47<themill>adama_: no, that kernel is no longer in debian.
12:48<fxiny>i used aptcron for a while but aptcron and cron-apt are dumb : they just guess something *could* be upgradable
12:48<adama_>but I'm running it now?
12:48<themill>adama_: only because you've not kept up with your updates...
12:48<ranix>I run testing so it's not so great
12:48<debacle>Hi all, i'd like to build a USB key with a debian linux netinstall. I'm reading @ . Where are vmlinuz initrd.gz and syslinux.cgf file ?
12:48<ranix>when lenny stabilizes I will look at it
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12:49<adama_>crud, will I have to reboot if I install 2.6.26 ?
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12:49<fxiny>debian-security is authoritative so any aptitude update is a waste of bandwith
12:49<themill>fxiny: if you enable pdiffs, then you are only downloading the diffs that tell you that things *are* available.
12:49<ranix>debacle: try ignoring that howto and using debootstrap?
12:49<themill>fxiny: d-security is not authoritative btw. It will miss packages that are updated for reasons other than security updates and won't help you with testing or unstable.
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12:50<fxiny>themill: is enabled but still parsing something like [DSA 1678-1] makes more sense , it can trigger just aptitude update
12:50<themill>adama_: yes. You could look on snapshots for the headers, but you are presumably running a vulnerable kernel.
12:50<ranix>adama_: you do not need to reboot to install a kernel
12:50<ranix>adama_: you do need to boot to use it
12:50<debacle>ranix: i do not know debootstap. I'd like install debian on a pc with a faulty cd ... can you help me plz ?
12:51<themill>fxiny: as long as you don't think debian-security provides the canonical list of updated packages though...
12:51<adama_>ok ok I'll do it *grumble*
12:51<fxiny>themill: right i see your point yes
12:51<ranix>debacle: to help you, I would google "debootstrap usb howto"
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12:52<themill>fxiny: with pdiffs enabled, the bandwidth of "update" shouldn't be anything to worry about.
12:52*ranix salutes zied10.
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12:53<fxiny>themill: ok ok but what i'm saying is : aptitude updating in the dark is somehow bruteforcing comparing to parsing a mail
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12:53<ElectricBill>Anybody using something like this with debian? ...
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12:54<debacle>ranix: it seem a bit complicated ... i'd like to follow debian tips ...
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12:54<ranix>debacle: OK. In my opinion, debootstrap is simpler/easier
12:55<fxiny>themill: we need a "wow signal" ;)
12:55<themill>fxiny: probably... I'd just sit back and wait for people to call "bloat" though, should anything like that make it into Debian... (if widespread, it could also be a great way to DDoS the security servers too)
12:55<ranix>debacle: if you're familiar with the debian file organization anyway
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12:55<debacle>ranix: no so much ...
12:55<fxiny>themill: why ? if i procmail my mbox and i trigger aptitude update i am not dossing
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12:56<fxiny>of course i must keep a record
12:56<ranix>fxiny: why aptitude update if you are not installing anything
12:56<fxiny>ranix: i do the aptitdue update every day
12:56<fxiny>once a day
12:56<themill>fxiny: but then I feed you lots of mails that trigger said procmail script forcing an aptitude update. Rinse, lather repeat on a large install-base using this same recipe.
12:56<ranix>fxiny: only do it when I am updating things
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12:57<fxiny>themill: a dsa is pgp signed
12:57<Xeross155>i want to revert my system to right after debian installation can i do this from putty
12:57<Xeross155>without reinstalling
12:58<themill>fxiny: can you check that from your procmail recipe? If you did, then I'd be able to DoS your box checking all the signatures....
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12:58<ranix>themill: not if he rejects all mail except what's coming from
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12:59<themill>ranix: so now the procmail script also requires a special MTA configuration.
12:59<fxiny>themill: right , any better then procmailing ? i just noticed there is a correlation between dsa and aptitude update
12:59<ranix>themill: I thought that was always the point
12:59<ranix>themill: which is why it's silly
12:59<themill>fxiny: I just use cron-apt...
13:00<fxiny>themill: i do my upodate in the morning then most of the time dsa come down in the (european) afternoon so i redo aptitude update
13:00<ranix>damn fxiny how often are you updating packages
13:00<ranix>upgrading rather
13:00<fxiny>themill: cron-apt isn dumb , it just trying to guess
13:00<themill>fxiny: true. I can see your point here. Something like a "mirror" pulse would be sensible for security updates.
13:00<fxiny>themill: GOOD !
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13:01<fxiny>that is very good : a wow signal is a pulse
13:01<Xeross155>anyone ?
13:01<themill>fxiny: but it has to be distributed in a secure way by push, which is difficult. You'd have to run a special daemon waiting for said pulse and have firewall rules to allow it.
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13:02<fxiny>ranix: as i said : one time in the morning and again after receiving a dsa
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13:02<fxiny>themill: and what about modifying the dsa signature or adding something to it ?
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13:03<themill>fxiny: email is not real-time and wouldn't actually reach many of the servers for which this would be useful (most debian machines don't run an MTA that listens).
13:04<fxiny>this way i can leave my *stable* idling and aptitude updating less
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13:04<themill>fxiny: I'd also feel nervous that I'd accidentally missed a pulse for some reason (network, service, whatever) and end up still running cron-apt :)
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13:05<fxiny>themill: debian-security-announce is a damn good servicve even for home users , we can think about it
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13:06<Xeross155>can someone please answer my question
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13:08<themill>Xeross155: what do you want to revert? package installation? configuration?
13:08<Xeross155>especially all the shit that hasnt been installed through packages
13:08<Xeross155>because my source installation of mysql etc ducked alot of stuf up
13:09<themill>ergh... not easily.
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13:09<themill>Xeross155: you could get apt to reinstall the packages, but that won't remove non-package files only undo accidental overwrites.
13:09<dpkg>reinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>
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13:09<Xeross155>well the main problem is
13:09<Xeross155>that mysql aint working
13:09<Xeross155>while i isntalled it after the source install
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13:10<Xeross155>it only starts by doing /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --no-defaults
13:10<Xeross155>and i want to just do /etc/init.d/mysql start
13:10<Xeross155>but that doesn't start
13:10<Xeross155>always sais failed
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13:12<Xeross155>any idea
13:12<Xeross155>i even did aptitude remove mysql-server-5.0
13:13<Xeross155>and aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0
13:13<Xeross155>but when i do aptitude isntall mysql-server-5.0 the installation always fails because /etc/init.d/mysql start doesnt work
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13:14<magicalmerlin>xeros who are you speaking to?
13:15<xeross>anyone in general who wants to help me
13:15<magicalmerlin>oh...I am a newby myself still learning the ropes
13:15<magicalmerlin>but some one will be on to help, might take some time though
13:16<magicalmerlin>Hopefully you either get "themill" or "stew"
13:16<ranix>!isn't working
13:16<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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13:16<magicalmerlin>or dpkg
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13:17<xeross>the error message is: failed
13:17<ranix>you must get more than that
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13:17<magicalmerlin>HOw is it failing?
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13:17<xeross>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
13:17<xeross>after doing /etc/init.d/mysql start
13:17<ranix>you get no other output?
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13:19<xeross>non existant
13:19<xeross>Silvermoon.err is what i need
13:19<xeross>doesnt exist either
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13:20<hahnp>something in syslog?
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13:23<hahnp>xeross, so you should do that
13:24<xeross>i did indeed not copy the logs
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13:27<magicalmerlin>well, i finally found out that my video card was to blame for the headache of installation, the card its self is bad...might I get a recomdation fo a card? one that is good and under 100 bucks?
13:27<magicalmerlin>hmm it needs to be a pci express type
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13:30<linwinix>here could help me with a program of assembler?
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13:31<shausam27>can anyone help me with kbarcode label program i updated to 8.04 ubuntu then kbarcode label now prints very very small micro size
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13:32<hahnp>linwinix, maybe... whats the problem
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13:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:33<linwinix>I need to make a program that shows the many cousins in NASM
13:33<dpkg>hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
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13:34<mady>adama, salut
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13:34<mady>adb, je veux passer a lenny
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13:35<adb>mady: vas'y
13:35<OdyX>anyway !fr
13:35<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
13:35<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
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13:37<fxiny>three times :P
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13:43<orca>hello the new to all!
13:45*magicalmerlin is reading and learning and his brain is smoking
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13:45<orca>how are your's all?
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13:45<magicalmerlin>orca hmm #moocows for general chit chat
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13:46<magicalmerlin>unless you needing help :)
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13:58<reggae_>its been the whole few days i'd been figuring out how to successfully bridge between 2 connections, can someone here at least pls help me out, i successfully bridge between my wlan0 and eth0 but now i dun get any internet connections from wlan0, heres the diagam : (where wlan0 is a usb wifi in laptop that takes in internet connection from an AP in the diagram)...
13:58<reggae_>need help pls...
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14:00<hahnp>where is the problem on the upper laptop?
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14:02<orca>the bridges, isn't possible use in WLANS, because the bridges realices the clone actions of the switches. can you obtain the internet connection ussing wi-fi, ussing a access point or one router wi-fi multifunction. (based into i study in my school and module....)
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14:02<magicalmerlin>eh I may be new but something is off?
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14:03<magicalmerlin>I was aobut to say, a wifi access point is the way to go, I have a ps3, my pc and wing all going through the accesspoint
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14:04<orca>ussing one bridge?
14:04<magicalmerlin>not bridged
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14:05<orca>ah, OK...
14:06<magicalmerlin>eh I am using a linksys access point with either net ports
14:07<orca>the accesses points what's like me!
14:07<orca>good mark, "cisco systems"!
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14:08<magicalmerlin>hmm come tot think of it I better becarefull or I could be billed for additional computing devices though comcast OUCH
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14:08<magicalmerlin>yeah never had an issue with Cisco ..
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14:09<magicalmerlin>oh and eh I didn't fer get to change the admin pasword, many ferget to do that then they wonder why they get hacked
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14:09<magicalmerlin>security isnt any good if you leave your router open
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14:15<studlee>Hi everyone
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14:16<studlee>This seems harder then it looks
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14:17<studlee>is anyone there?
14:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:19<studlee>Is there anyway i can get a BSA lightning XL to be quieter?
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14:23<xeross>mysql.h cant be found what should i install ?
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14:24<orca>you are compile the mysql from source code? or it's installing from repository
14:24<xeross>am compiling a source for a gaming server
14:24<xeross>that needs the mysql headers
14:25*magicalmerlin oh gaming drool
14:25<magicalmerlin>hmm I havn't tried any games with this yet
14:25<orca>because not probe to install from repository?
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14:27<magicalmerlin>hello themill
14:27<Lenhix>Uhm, perhaps looking for the source code at
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14:28<chealer>xeross: if you don't mind, which game server?
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14:30<reggae_>orca: yes i still can obtain internet access using wifi b4 bridging, but not after...i believe theres some feels like the laptop thinks that its taking in connection from ethernet after bridging it....however i successfully got it working on windows xp....but not debian...n mac osx...pretty weird/..
14:30<reggae_>n sad too n frustrating of course :(
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14:31<reggae_>hahnp: theres no problem....but after bridging there i problem...
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14:31<reggae_>somehow i think theres something going on in the bridge...
14:31<reggae_>need some real civil engineers to fix up the structure :)
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14:46<schmichael>in debian sid why won't sound juicer or banshee let me select mp3 format? it shows up as a profile in gnome-audio-profiles-properties
14:46<cahoot>no lame?
14:47<cahoot>(if it's creating mp3's you mean)
14:48<schmichael>~$ aptitude search lame | grep ^i
14:48<schmichael>i libtwolame0 - MPEG Audio Layer 2 encoding library
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14:48<schmichael>is lame not in debian's repository? i have contrib & non-free...
14:49<cahoot>TwoLAME does NOT support MPEG Audio Layer 3 (MP3) encoding
14:49<cahoot>according to aptitude show
14:49<schmichael>yeah, i know
14:49<cahoot>debian multimedia
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14:50<schmichael>i haven't used debian multimedia in ages...
14:50<schmichael>i wonder how i've gotten by so long without it
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14:50<cahoot>ogg isn't an option?
14:50<schmichael>sorry, cheap mp3 player :(
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14:52<schmichael>hm ... can i buy a mp3 encoder from fluendo?
14:52<schmichael>wow their site is awful
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14:53<schmichael>and all they sell is decoders... sad
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14:55<cahoot>get lame from dmm?
14:55<walber_>I use a server ltsp, I would lock the second mouse button.
14:55<schmichael>cahoot: trying that now, i would have loved to be legal and support fleundo though
14:55<cahoot>nice thought
14:55<walber_>Can anyone help me?
14:56<jthomas>how do i change windowmanagers? --replace e16 or something?
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14:57<schmichael>dmm has me download a keyring package?! that doesn't seem safe
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14:58<schmichael>how does ubuntu get away with putting lame in their multiverse repository?
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14:58<dr|z3d>jthomas: <wmname> --replace
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15:00<themill>g'day magicalmerlin!
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15:02<enouf>schmichael: stop being a weenie and compile it yourself then
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15:02<enouf>schmichael: ubuntu does it via sucking smelly hairy ass
15:03<stew>enouf: can you please keep it constructive
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15:03<enouf>yes .. indeed ... my bad
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15:03<apostle>I am trying to get my joystick configured....where should I be doing this?
15:03<themill>schmichael: you can check the trust path to the dmm key via marillat's own key.
15:03<themill>!apt-key 1F41B907
15:03<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
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15:04<stew>schmichael: you'd have to ask #ubuntu, but, in general, the point is that debian tries to make it so that you can use the software in debian without having to worry about licenses, and ubuntu doesn't care as much about this
15:04<schmichael>enouf: ha, very nice
15:04<schmichael>themill: its just strange to install an unstrusted deb in order to trust other debs ...
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15:05<schmichael>someone really needs to make a nice UI for checking web of trust
15:05<schmichael>because right now its pretty much worthless
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15:05<themill>schmichael: it is indeed. It's provided as a matter of convenience but you can do it yourself if you want.
15:05<stew>schmichael: you can check the trust path before installing the deb as you would check the trust path with any other gpg key
15:05<schmichael>stew: thanks
15:05<stew>schmichael: there are web pages which make this easy
15:05<schmichael>stew: ooh, really?
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15:07<stew>schmichael: sure, for instance: is my trust paths to this key
15:07<schmichael>stew: very cool!!!
15:08<schmichael>man i should try to work on a gtk ui like that
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15:08<schmichael>web of trust is just so underutilized
15:08<stew>of course, you must then trust this web page
15:08<enouf>schmichael: there is information about all that ...
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15:08<dpkg>methinks bootsplash is see also gensplash, or, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or superseded by <splashy>
15:09<schmichael>enouf: thanks. i know *about* keys & signing. i'm just frustrated they're usually ignored
15:09<schmichael>ignored as in people just copy and paste the apt-key add line
15:09<schmichael>or install packages without inspecting them first
15:10<enouf>uh huh
15:10<schmichael>and with the current toolset, there's no way we can expect users to make safe decisions
15:10<schmichael>its just too difficult for them to understand what it all means
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15:10<enouf>users suck smelly hairy ___ :-)
15:10<enouf>we don't need no stinkin users ;-)
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15:11<schmichael>thats probably why all my friends use ubuntu :(
15:11<raylight>Hello, can anybody my aptitude wouldn't show updates anymore?
15:11<orca>i return now, i'm exit one moment people
15:11<enouf>and that's why we don't mind they chose that distro ;)
15:11<dr|z3d>Nothing wrong with Ubuntu. Great distro.
15:11<schmichael>oh agreed
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15:12<enouf>schmichael: i am ONLY speaking for myself, i am no developer or anything
15:12<themill_>raylight: what do you mean?
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15:12<enouf>schmichael: i'm just a stinkin user ;-)
15:12<schmichael>enouf: heh, ditto
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15:12<raylight>my apt-get doesn't seem to see differences anymore when i do apt-get update
15:12<raylight>for a couple of days
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15:12<stew>schmichael: this trust path stuff is of course something debian got from ubuntu, this stuff all works the same way in ubuntu
15:13<stew>schmichael: not trust path, but specifically the apt-secure stuff we got from ubuntu
15:13<enouf>(hopefully, considered 'advanced' as in; "any half-advanced ape can do it")
15:13<raylight>normally there are updates every day. (testing)
15:13<themill_>raylight: there haven't been many updates.... testing is currently in freeze, of course.
15:13<stew>raylight: testing is currently frozen, so updates should be becomming increasingly rare
15:14<schmichael>stew: ah right. my moaning about ubuntu was just how they have things like lame in official repositories (or at least more official than dmm)
15:14<raylight>ah ok.
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15:14<raylight>Thanks, i thought i've changed something.. but didn't know about it.
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15:14<enouf>schmichael: the reason for it must be deemed unofficial has to do with the DFSG and the Security team, etc .. IINM
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15:15<enouf>schmichael: have you looked how openbsd handles proprietary software?
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15:15<enouf>or semi-proprietary, or non-GNU or, non-FOSS ?
15:16<enouf>it may (and other various nix-ish incantations) open your eyes about some things
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15:17<enouf>schmichael: feel like reading a one-thousand+ thread about the matter?
15:17<schmichael>oh boy do i!
15:17<stew>there is a slighly smaller thread about debian's stance lame in -devel recently
15:18<stew>or was it -project
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15:18<enouf>stew: how _slightly_smaller_? :-)
15:18<schmichael>i was to rip a cd to mp3s ... not learn about software patents, licensing laws, etc etc etc
15:18<schmichael>and its ripping right now :)
15:18<schmichael>thanks all!
15:18<enouf>schmichael: that's the user in you kickin in
15:18<sampablokuper>Hi folks, I'm having some difficulty installing etch with encrypted lvm. The installer finishes fine, but when I try to boot into the freshly-installed system, I get a kernel panic: not syncing - vfs: unable to sync root fs.
15:18<stew>schmichael: yeah, if you don't want to learn about software patents and licensing and the like, better to stick with what is in debian than use ubuntu
15:18<enouf>don't let that person takeover :-P
15:19<stew>schmichael: becuase that way you can be more assured that you aren't breaking laws, whereas if you blindly go with whatever is in the other distros, you might unknowingly be breaking laws
15:19<schmichael>if i wanted to compile an app myself every time i needed to complete a new task i would have stuck with slackware 6 years ago ;-)
15:19<stew>schmichael: oh, and use vorbis instead
15:19<schmichael>stew: not an option. cheap mp3 player
15:19<sampablokuper>And when I try to access the system by using my Etch NetInst disk as a rescue CD, none of the partitions are usable as a root filesystem.
15:20<Lenhix>FLAC is great too
15:20<stew>schmichael: one that rockbox doesn't support?
15:20<schmichael>Lenhix: i love flac, but again: cheap mp3 player :-/
15:20<enouf>schmichael: i only suggested compiling an app because that's what i did originally - Debian as a binary AND source distribution offers you the choice
15:20<schmichael>also, limited hdd space
15:20<sampablokuper>I've tried using the rootdelay=10 trick blarson suggested a couple of days ago when I was having trouble booting non-encrypted LVM on the same setup, but no luck this time.
15:20<enouf>er .. maybe i meant as :-P
15:21<Lenhix>sampablokuper: is the /boot mounted as LVM?
15:21<schmichael>stew: even if it does, my car cd player accepts mp3s as well. sorry but mp3 is my only sane option
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15:21<sampablokuper>Lenhix, can you tell me how to find out?
15:21<Lenhix>are all your partitions LVM?
15:21<stew>sane is in the mind of the beholder
15:21<enouf>schmichael: do you see how you are indirectly supporting proprietary formats? via buying/using "cheap (crap) hardware"?
15:21<sampablokuper>(Thanks in advance for your help, btw!)
15:22<sampablokuper>Lenhix, I don't know. I just let the installer pick the defaults.
15:22<schmichael>enouf: OMG UR RIGHT! pls mail me $$$ so i can haz freedom
15:22<Lenhix>uhm, the defaults should be ok
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15:22<enouf>schmichael: let's try it keep it "constructive" .. ok? :-P
15:22<Lenhix>Have you tried setting the ELVM manually?
15:23<enouf>schmichael: in your opinion, what's wrong with using Windows?
15:23<stew>wrong channel
15:23<enouf>er .. sorry - that's going to be OT
15:23<sampablokuper>Lenhix, no, I haven't. How would I do that from the point I'm at now? Or would I have to start the install from scratch?
15:24<sampablokuper>BTW, I should add that I'm installing onto a USB stick: there are no HDDs connected to the machine.
15:24<sampablokuper>(In case it makes a difference)
15:24<enouf>couldn't hold it in - all this "construction" going on ... driving me mad :-)
15:24<schmichael>enouf: i have xp but prefer debian
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15:25<sampablokuper>It's a 4GB USB stick, which should be big enough; I've been able to run Debian from it before, but would like to have encrypted LVM.
15:25<enouf>we can stop now - let's support the channel we're in - forget about nonsensical discussions here - try -offtopic
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15:26<enouf>sampablokuper: has someone told you to disconnect all your system HDDs while installing for fear you might mess them up somehow during installation of Debian/Linux?
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15:27<sampablokuper>enouf, no, I did it myself - just in case I press the wrong button and format the wrong partition :)
15:27<enouf>sampablokuper: well, if so - that person is a complete _____ whooops :-)
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15:28<sampablokuper>Also, the HDDs aren't system HDDs - they're for data only.
15:28<enouf>sampablokuper: you'll never learn anything that way - and therefore, become beholden to others when a crisis hits
15:28<stew>i need something to tell me which of my /hilight rules is making me hilight someone so that it is easier to remove
15:28<enouf>stew: english only please ? :-P
15:28<stew>enouf: hi, i have too many /hilight rules
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15:29<sampablokuper>enouf, if I lost the data on those HDDs, it would be a worse crisis, and no-one else would be able to help me :)
15:29<Lenhix>sampablokuper: i'd say you'll have to start from scratch
15:29<enouf>stew: ouch .. no issues here
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15:29<stew>enouf: its not slowing down apt-cache for me though
15:29<enouf>sampablokuper: that's what a "backup strategy" and consequential "follow through" are for
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15:30<sampablokuper>Lenhix, ok, I'll restart the installer. Would you mind talking me through getting encrypted LVM set up manually as you suggest?
15:30<enouf>stew: heh - did you see? it hit me again, a few hours after we spoke
15:30<stew>enouf: i didn't see. did you try stopping the gamp torrents again?
15:30<Lenhix>What version are you installing? etch? etchnhalf?
15:30<enouf>but i had the older 0.7.18 installed .. still .. from testing if i could reproduce it - i immediately upgraded
15:31<enouf>stew: yes, but my vamp was all gamped out
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15:32<sampablokuper>enouf, I'm missing your point. It shouldn't be necessary to have a HDD connected, to install Etch. I know, because I've installed Etch to a USB drive before without a HDD connected.
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15:32<enouf>a) correct, b) so what
15:33<sampablokuper>Lenhix, it's Etch, not Etchnhalf. Thanks :)
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15:33<enouf>sampablokuper: if that's your backup strategy - ok then
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15:34<Lenhix>let me install a VM simultaneously to have visuals on what's going ong
15:34<sampablokuper>b) so I'd be grateful for help troubleshooting why the install didn't work with encrypted lvm, given that it installed ok (or at least, fixably) previously.
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15:34<enouf>sampablokuper: and .. to be honest, it's good to inform us helpers with as much useful (pertinent) info as you think we might need - so cudos to you for that
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15:35*enouf turns around and looks up ... and notices .. he's built an APT complex! ;-)
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15:36<enouf>oh .. he references and their subs are soooo many ... too many to list
15:36<ranix>sampablokuper: c) all of the above
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15:36<ranix>sampablokuper: seriously what's with the lettering
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15:36<sampablokuper>ranix, what do you mean?
15:36<enouf>sampablokuper: have you seen ?
15:37<enouf>sampablokuper: the issue there is supposedly fixed in the lenny installer, which is what etchnhalf uses (IINM)
15:37<enouf>i'd say much more than supposedly even
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15:39<sampablokuper>enouf, thanks for the suggestion. Last time I tried installing Lenny, it took a dislike to a bug with my BIOS that I haven't been able to patch, because HP only seem to have released patches suitable for installing via windows (no .iso downloads, for instance). So I've decided to go with the Etch installer since that's worked well enough for me previously.
15:39<enouf>(i just noticed you mentioned encrypted lvm, not encrypted raid, however; mdadm and lvm both use device mapper)
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15:40<sampablokuper>enou, correct. I'm only using one USB stick for now, not RAIDing them together.
15:40<enouf>senorpedro: you can upgrade your BIOS using FreeDOS loaded diskettes
15:41<enouf>senorpedro: ignore me .. sorry
15:41<senorpedro>thx 4 the info
15:41<senorpedro>ok, np ;)
15:41<enouf>sampablokuper: last message was for you
15:41<sampablokuper>enouf, thanks for the tip. Haven't tried that yet. Might have to give it a go sometime.
15:41<enouf>well .. not the last last last .. but the last one :-P
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15:42<enouf>sampablokuper: i can even show you how to do it from a CD :-P
15:42<enouf>sampablokuper: can you tell us HP make/model?
15:42<enouf>old / new / laptop ?
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15:43<sampablokuper>enouf, I'm grateful. It's an ML110 G3.
15:43*enouf googles
15:43<sampablokuper>Looking at support site again now:
15:44<enouf>ahh .. there it is ;-)
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15:44<sampablokuper>I see DR-DOS on
15:44<sampablokuper>But not FreeDOS
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15:49<sampablokuper>enouf, any joy with the bios upgrade? I didn't manage to find a way to do it. I have an old copy of Win2K, but it won't install on a usb drive, so until I get my hands on a spare HDD to install it to, that route (i.e. upgrade the bios via windows) is closed to me :(
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15:51<simonrvn>freedos is you know, findable on their site ;)
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15:54<sampablokuper>simonrvn, right, but will they supply BIOS upgrades for an HP ML110?
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15:54<sampablokuper>Or will bios upgrades designed to be run under DR-DOS be usable under freedos?
15:54<sampablokuper>If so, great!
15:55<sampablokuper>If not, then just being able to download freedos won't help me much :(
15:55<orca>hello all!
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15:55<simonrvn>the {ree,dr-}dos is just a way to run the bios updater flash app, nothing more.
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16:00<sampablokuper>simonrvn, so in principle, I'd be able to install freedos, download HP's bios upgrader that's designed for drdos, and run it under freedos to upgrade the bios?
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16:00<orca>sampablokuper, can you boot ussing one diskette contains the MS-DOS and the motherboard program and the rom bios file for upgrade your bios? if is possible booting from diskette, can you upgrading ussing te flopy drive
16:00<simonrvn>sampablokuper: it's specifically for drdos?
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16:04<sampablokuper>orca, the pc doesn't have a floppy drive (although I *should* have a USB floppy drive somewhere). I don't know if I have an MS-DOS floppy, though...
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16:05<sampablokuper>simonrvn, here are the supported oses:
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16:06<orca>sampablokuper, can you boot from USBFloppy drive, if your bios that permission
16:07<sampablokuper>orca, yes, I think so (haven't tried it, but the PC will boot from USB sticks, etc, so I don't see why it shouldn't boot from a (bootable) usb floppy.
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16:09<orca>you haven't got a ms-dos floppy bootable disk, or not have got a USB-Floppy drive.
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16:10<sampablokuper>I've found the usb floppy drive now. I haven't found an MS-DOS boot floppy, though...
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16:13<orca>can you download a floppy boot disk of ms-dos, on:
16:14<sampablokuper>orca, thanks for the tip.
16:14<orca>if you prefer, can you download the floppy disk's the other operating systems velow: MS-DOS, (all versions, included 6.22), windows95, windows 98...
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16:19<sampablokuper>orca, thanks. Do you know if the BIOS patch HP offers for W2K (available here: ) would run under any of the bootdisks here - or do you think I'd need a full w2k instal
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16:23<orca>sampablokuper, i don't know the bios's abailable for hp. in to the, you can download boot floppy diskettes. if you download bios, enter into hp webpage for download thi's your bios version specific for your computer.
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16:23<ranix>I wish I could scp into peoples' heads
16:23<ranix>or even ssh
16:23<ranix>this sales rep needs a dist-upgrade
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16:26<sampablokuper>orca, thanks. Looks like it will require some trial & error on my part, so when I have some time to put aside, I'll try it. Depending on whether I've got a spare HDD to use at that point, I'll either go the full w2k route, or else the floppy bootdisk route you suggested :) Thanks again.
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16:27<feddsagg>hi guys
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16:38<apostle>joystick problem....where can I set my binding for my joystick?
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16:41<And1>Heya, how can I get/install /lib/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode?
16:42<themill>And1: apt-file search rxvt-unicode
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16:43<And1>themill: Ah yeah, thanks. :)
16:44<themill>And1: but since that's an "essential" package, i'd be surprised if it's not already installed
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16:44<And1>Is there a known bug about xorg/nvidia-drivers in lenny, which says "fatal io error 11 (Resource not available)"?
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16:45<And1>themill: I deleted it, cause I thought it was part oft urxvt, which I first installed manually when I used etch.
16:45<themill>ahh, fair enough
16:45<drizzd>And1: FWIW, I get that too sometimes
16:45<And1>FWIW? =)
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16:46<drizzd>means "for what it's worth"
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16:47<drizzd>doesn't go away with the drivers in experimental either
16:47<And1>If I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver, I get very strange graphics errors, almost all characters are only shown half... don't know what may be the problem here.
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16:50<And1>Also, if I switch to a workspace with an urxvt open it takes almost takes 5 seconds. - All this since I upgraded to lenny today.
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16:52<And1>It doesn't take that long, if I switch to a workspace with e.g. iceweasel... think that's also video-driver dependend, mh?
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16:58<And1>How can I tell iceweasel 3 not to create a Desktop-dir in my home-dir? Or tell it, that it should use my home as standard-directory for everything (not only for downloads)...
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16:59<kutan>hello room
17:00<kutan>can i use yahoo mess in wengophone?
17:00<kutan>if yes,were can i find the settings?
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17:02<Flinx>HI all
17:02<Flinx>is it normal (in Lenny) to not have an Audio/Sound group by default?
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17:06<chealer>Flinx: the first user should have audio by default
17:07<Flinx>I guess what I'm saying is under System > Administration >Users and Groups . I don't see Audio at all
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17:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:12<pleb2>Hi, I have a massive problem, Ive installed windows AFTER linux, mainly for L4D, anyway, its on a small 20GB partition, windows has fluffed up my linux install. ive booted into knoppix and marked the linux partion as active, which is great, ive gone to reinstall grub, and im hitting a problem
17:12<pleb2>when i chroot my hda1 mount
17:12<pleb2>i get
17:12<pleb2>Vroot@Knoppix:/# chroot /mydisk
17:12<pleb2>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
17:13<pleb2>im thinking its because my linux is AMD64 and knoppix is i386
17:13<pleb2>am i stuffed/??
17:13<Flinx>Addendum: according to my terminal, I am in the audio group.
17:13*Flinx goes back to reading
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17:14<XTF>Hi. If free says there's 3 gb of memory in use (after buffers are substracted), should I be able to find that memory with top?
17:14<miguel>soy de burgos alguien conoceç
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17:15<XTF>I really can't find it.
17:15<pleb2>I think top only shows WITH buffers and cache
17:15<pleb2>if I remember
17:15<XTF>So how do I find out who's using the other 2.2 gb?
17:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:15<dpkg>debian is probably See
17:15<chealer>Flinx: oh. then that's not normal, no.
17:16<Flinx>chealer, thats what I thought >.>
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17:16<pleb2>XTF what do you mean?
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17:16<XTF>Free says 3 gb in use -/+ buffers/cache)
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17:16<XTF>In top, I can only find 0.8 gb of that
17:17<pleb2>it says used 3GB?
17:17<valdyn>XTF: maybe you cant read
17:17<valdyn>XTF: or just past the figures so we can read it for you
17:17<valdyn>XTF: *paste*
17:17<pleb2>valdyn you any good with grub?? :S
17:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:18<pleb2>read up ^^
17:18<XTF>Hmm, valdyn, I can't join #flood
17:18<valdyn>pleb2: ok
17:18<pleb2>Hi, I have a massive problem, Ive installed windows AFTER linux, mainly for L4D, anyway, its on a small 20GB partition, windows has fluffed up my linux install. ive booted into knoppix and marked the linux partion as active, which is great, ive gone to reinstall grub, and im hitting a problem
17:18<pleb2>when i chroot my hda1 mount
17:18<valdyn>!tell XTF -about paste
17:18<pleb2>i get
17:18<pleb2>Vroot@Knoppix:/# chroot /mydisk
17:18<pleb2>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
17:18<pleb2>im thinking its because my linux is AMD64 and knoppix is i386
17:18<pleb2>what can i do>?
17:19<pleb2>atm i carnt boot into windows OR linux lol
17:19<chealer>pleb2: you could reinstall grub in a different way.
17:19<blarson>pleb2: boot your install disk in recue mode.
17:19<pleb2>all i have is a knoppix disk :S
17:19<pleb2>my original install disk was a net inst, and it went elsewhere when i finished with it
17:19<valdyn>pleb2: you need a disk with a bootloader like grub that you can edit at runtime
17:20<pleb2>knoppix has all the grub install tools etc
17:20<valdyn>pleb2: or a 64-bit linux system like that installer
17:20<pleb2>so i do need a 64bit live linux disk?
17:20<valdyn>pleb2: thats not useful if it does not have a 64-bit kernel
17:20<valdyn>pleb2: err, actually
17:20<pleb2>ive had nothing but trouble with this 64 bit lark, shouldnt of bothered :S
17:20<valdyn>pleb2: you *could* install grub from knoppix i guess
17:21<pleb2>and how would one accomplish such a task
17:21<pleb2>grub is installed okay
17:21<pleb2>just the MBR messed up
17:21<valdyn>pleb2: but that involves manually specifying the files on your actual linux system to koppix's grub
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17:21<valdyn>pleb2: umm
17:21<pleb2>valdyn: go on?
17:21<valdyn>pleb2: grub is files plus mbr
17:21<pleb2>i can see the grub files
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17:21<pleb2>on my moount
17:21<valdyn>pleb2: we already knew that you didnt just delete the grub files
17:21<pleb2>even my menu.lst
17:22<valdyn>pleb2: but fixing the mbr requires grub to know how to reference its grub files
17:22<valdyn>pleb2: requires grub-install to know. ..
17:22<pleb2>what do i tell grub-install?
17:22<valdyn>pleb2: see grub-install --help
17:22<pleb2>i tried this
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17:23<pleb2>specify -root-directory yes?
17:24<pleb2>i get a pretty error
17:24<pleb2>Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
17:24<pleb2>Format of install_device not recognized.
17:24<valdyn>XTF: thats pretty much business as usual
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17:24<valdyn>XTF: linux memory accounting is broken for all i can tell
17:24<valdyn>XTF: at least if you use top for it
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17:25<valdyn>XTF: maybe mmaped files arent properly kept track of, i dont know
17:25<valdyn>XTF: its not a hint at something being broken but something being broken can cause this too, naturally, like a kernel memory leak
17:25<XTF>valdyn: So how do I find out where that memory went?
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17:26<valdyn>XTF: no idea
17:26<valdyn>XTF: you could flush caches
17:26<bosi>hel mw
17:26<valdyn>XTF: but that might not make anything more clear at all
17:26<ifa>what ?
17:26<bosi>help me
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17:27<ifa>do you speak french ?
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17:27<valdyn>XTF: my top output showes the same behaviour btw
17:28<valdyn>XTF: nothings wrong here
17:28<bosi>quien me ense;a a usar ubuntu
17:28<bosi>eho cvan help me with ubuntu
17:28<valdyn>XTF: one thing that works to clear things up is putting some insane memory pressure and then freeing it again
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17:28<valdyn>XTF: after that you will have alot less memory showed as being in use
17:28<bosi>di everyone
17:28<pleb2>XTF open top
17:29<pleb2>type capital F
17:29<pleb2>then type N
17:29<pleb2>it will list by RAM usage
17:29<pleb2>im thinking your used ram may be off the page
17:29<valdyn>XTF: so i wouldnt worry about it unless you actually get actual issues
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17:29<bosi>i cant tape sapnish ;
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17:30<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
17:30<bosi>se prenuci como en chsmpsnge
17:30<valdyn>pleb2: his programs are sorted by ram usage
17:30<bosi>l ng
17:30<bosi>la ng
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17:30<bosi>help em please im now on this
17:31<valdyn>XTF: even if top was "accurate", you wouldnt know how to add the "SHR" column
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17:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:32<pleb2>valdyn, any idea about my horrible grub problem?
17:32<valdyn>XTF: virt is , as far as i know swapped out + mmapped stuff, with no way to know which of this is backed by physical ram
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17:33<pleb2>XTF, have you considered pointing a hex editor at your RAM
17:33<pleb2>to see if it is actually used
17:33<pleb2>or linux is lieing
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17:34<bosi>i got its look lnt the right onsike it doubuntu n the bharwar wi
17:34<valdyn>pleb2: why cant you create a boot floppy from knoppix?
17:35<valdyn>pleb2: i think the grub homepage has iso files too to make a grub cd
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17:35<pleb2>my CDR is taken up by the actually knoppix disk
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17:35<pleb2>it wont let me have it
17:36<pleb2>i have no floppy eeesh this is the 21st century man
17:36<bosi>any one is concern about me
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17:36<pleb2>its funny that i would actually need a floppy to fix my 64 bit PC
17:36<pleb2>but had it been 32 bit i would be fine
17:36<pleb2>i find that halarious
17:36<valdyn>pleb2: well, you need 1 way to boot the system
17:36<pleb2>i carnt do it from here then?
17:36<valdyn>pleb2: and since you dont want or cant get a 64-bit system...
17:36<pleb2>as the 32bit -ness is letting me down?
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17:37<bosi>any one is trying to me
17:37<pleb2>i'll have to haul this junk to work 2morrow
17:37<valdyn>pleb2: yes, kind of
17:37<pleb2>its just a pain as ive lost another nights work
17:37<bosi>at least givi good pages to lear ok
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17:37<pleb2>i need a 64bit debian CD then, and i do what with it when i get to the recovery boot???
17:38<valdyn>pleb2: the chroot stuff you already tried
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17:38<valdyn>pleb2: and grub-install from there
17:38<pleb2>mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1, chroot /mnt/hda1, grub-install /mnt/hda1
17:38<valdyn>pleb2: geeez
17:38<stevecotton>Re: memory usage. The exmap package is meant to give a better view of memory usage; but currently needs fixing.
17:38<valdyn>pleb2: maybe thats the real problem
17:38<valdyn>pleb2: you install grub to disk, not to mountpoint
17:39<valdyn>pleb2: grub-install /dev/hda
17:39<valdyn>pleb2: no
17:39<pleb2>disk, not partition??
17:39<valdyn>pleb2: bios loads mbr of disk, not of partition
17:39<bosi>anyone of you carwe about me
17:39<valdyn>pleb2: so unless you have another boot loader at the mbr of disk that loads grub, you want grub to be on the mbr of disk
17:40<pleb2>its not letting me do that from knoppix however
17:40<pleb2>Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
17:41<bosi>i use ubunt 7.10
17:41<stevecotton>7.10 is old; also it's supported in #ubuntu not #debian
17:41<bosi>when i upda to 8 everything collapse
17:41<pleb2>root@Knoppix:/# grub-install /dev/hda --root-directory=/dev/hda1/boot
17:41<pleb2>You shouldn't call /sbin/grub-install. Please call /usr/sbin/grub-install instead!
17:41<pleb2>mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/hda1/boot/boot': Not a directory
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17:42<bosi>n ubutu 10 is stable n trustable
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17:42<pleb2>valdyn, a shiney new error for you :P
17:43<pleb2>root@Knoppix:/# grub-install /dev/hda --root-directory=/mydisk
17:43<pleb2> The file /mydisk/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
17:43<bosi>in terminal i supose
17:43<valdyn>pleb2: root-directory=directory
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17:43<valdyn>pleb2: not a device
17:43<pleb2>yeah ive done that now
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17:44<pleb2>ive mounted the drive
17:44<pleb2>and pointed it at the mountpoint
17:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:44<c36pop>hi does anybody here manage to succesfully use debian on a dell M1530 Xps laptop ?
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17:44<bosi>its hard too understan this chat
17:45<stevecotton>bosi - what dpkg said. Problems to upgrade between versions of Ubuntu are different to problem upgrading between versions of Debian.
17:45<bosi>ok tnak you thanks again
17:45<stevecotton>ask #ubuntu on instead
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17:46<pleb2>valdyn should i delete stage1 ? :P
17:46<valdyn>pleb2: nope
17:46<pleb2>whys it not reading correctly?
17:46<c36pop>hi i would like to know how to remove old unused kernels
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17:48<pleb2>c36pop google is your fwend
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17:49<pleb2>valdyn i think im going to give up
17:49<pleb2>call it a night
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17:49<pleb2>and try this lark 2morrow
17:49<pleb2>i could tidy the house or something :P
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17:50<c36pop>pleb2 : no that is not enough ; i tried on several debian computer to use that simple procedure and each time i have parrallel problems
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17:50<pleb2>c36pop, why do you want to remove them?
17:50<n3rodinott3>hi everybody
17:51<n3rodinott3>i have a problem with debian installation..can someone give a little help?
17:51<c36pop>pleb2: i have my debian for years now copied from computer to computers and i have a lot of official and self compiled kernels
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17:51<c36pop>i yet removed some and know for unknow reason automount does not work anymore with usb keys
17:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:52<pleb2>c36pop have you managed to fix the usb key problem?
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17:52<c36pop>pleb2 : not yet
17:53<XTF>pleb2: Eh, no.
17:53<c36pop>everything was working until i removed most of kernels
17:53<XTF>pleb2: I'm not really in the mood to use a hex editor to dissect my RAM.
17:53<pleb2>XTF :P Twas only a suggestion
17:54<pleb2>c36pop im not sure, i didnt think there was any weird side effects, but then again ive not done it, i dont know of another way..
17:54<c36pop>pleb2 : when i plug a usb key or hard disk nothing happens in nautilus now bit if i go to //computer and clik on the volume i m redirected to / , the second i click , the volume get mounted
17:54<n3rodinott3>i've a problem with the installation of debian 4.0 stable, cause during the installation process, after choosing language and location area, it cannot find module for the cd-rom cause is a really new one..but i read that there r cause people has install fedora on the same pc..
17:54<n3rodinott3>how can i get it?
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17:55<Lenhix>etchnhalf? (just an idea)
17:55<dpkg>Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora @
17:55<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
17:55<c36pop>n3rodinott3 : i get the same problem a while ago ; i managed to pass the iinstallation with some option that you can get with F1
17:56<n3rodinott3>no no...i tryed them all..
17:56<n3rodinott3>i no is a problem of kernel..
17:56<c36pop>n3rodinott3 : ever those with acpi apic ..
17:56<c36pop>ha ok
17:56<n3rodinott3>probably the 4.0 stable kernel is not new enought..
17:56<c36pop>then etchhalf
17:57<n3rodinott3>etchhalf is a debian base distribution?
17:57<pleb2>im off, thanks for your help guys, i'll sort my prob with a 64 bit disk sometime 2morrow <3
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17:58<Lenhix>yep n3rodinott3
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17:58<c36pop>themill , i know you have good deep knowledge in debian could you help me with the mounting problem please
17:58<Lenhix>It's the latest stable version with the latest kernel (2.6.24)
17:58<c36pop>themill : i know you have good deep knowledge in debian could you help me with the mounting problem please
17:58<Lenhix>Debian Etch has kernel 2.6.18, but etchnhalf has 2.6.24
17:59<n3rodinott3>so etch stay for?
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18:00<n3rodinott3>i doint get it..lenny and etch are debian distributions like ubuntu..or debian realeases not stable,or whatelse?
18:01<hahnp>you could also try the testing one
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18:01<Lenhix>Lenny is the next stable release, but it's still as unstable
18:01<Lenhix>etch is the stable version
18:01<Lenhix>etchnhalf is the stable version but with a newer kernel
18:01<dr|z3d>n3rodinott3: Debian is distint from Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on debian.
18:01<gravity>lenny isn't actually unstable. It's "testing". Sid is unstable.
18:02<n3rodinott3>yes i ment that..meaning was a debian based distribution.
18:02<Lenhix>Yep, I get confused
18:02<Lenhix>thx gravity
18:02<chealer>n3rodinott3: since which version does Linux support your controller?
18:03<n3rodinott3> try to download and install direct the etchnhalf is one possible solution?
18:03<n3rodinott3>i have no idea..
18:03<n3rodinott3>i no that my cd rom is pretty new..
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18:03<chealer>n3rodinott3: it depends on whether Linux 2.6.24 has a driver for your controller.
18:03<hahnp>what kind of controller do you have=
18:03<Lenhix>C u ppl
18:04<n3rodinott3>and that every module in the kernel used by the 4.0 stable iso images installation is not working..
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18:04<n3rodinott3>hl-dt-st dvdram gsa-t50l
18:04<n3rodinott3>thats the cd-rom model..
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18:05<n3rodinott3>i searched on the web if there were any forum talking about it and linux module avaiable separetly..but i couldnt find anything..
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18:06<chealer>n3rodinott3: you don't need a module for your ODD. you need a driver for your ODD controller.
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18:07<n3rodinott3>but i couldnt find a linux one..
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18:07<n3rodinott3>maybe is supported by newer kernels..i-ll try the etchnhalf..but its only netinstall?
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18:09<n3rodinott3>anyway..i'll try..
18:09<n3rodinott3>thanks a lot for the hint..
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18:09<n3rodinott3>hopr i wont need anymore.
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18:14<chealer>n3rodinott3: more or less. "etchnhalf" is a vague concept. if you just want to install etch, after which you'll have access to all "etchnhalf packages", you can use any etch installation media. otherwise, you have netinst, netboot and business card.
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18:50<dpkg>rumour has it, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>
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18:52<bulio>I am trying to aptitude update after switching my sources.list to lenny
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18:52<bulio>but it is stuck at 99% [Waiting for headers]
18:52<bulio>any ideas why?
18:52<bulio>wait, nevermind, slow mirror
18:53<themill>dpkg: tell bulio about etch->lenny
18:53<bulio>themill: did that as soon as I came in
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18:59<IceGuest_75>I have a question.
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19:00<IceGuest_75>I got a cheap thin client terminal from ebay, that runs a Geode 300Mhz CPU. The system came with a DiskOnModule (IDE Flash Drive).
19:01<IceGuest_75>I purcased a CompactFlash to IDE converter.
19:01<IceGuest_75>I'm planning on installing Debian to the CompactFlash card, and using it to boot, along with a old USB for swap.
19:01<IceGuest_75>I'm not sure what FS to use, as I don't want to kill the CF Card.
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19:02<IceGuest_75>I was thinking of using Fat16, but that doesn't have chmod and chown support, does it?
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19:03<bulio>does anyone know how I can get the experiemental package Awesome-3.0.x in lenny?
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19:04<amphi>IceGuest_75: fat16 does not support unix permissions, no
19:04<IceGuest_75>Ok, so what FS should I use on the CF Card? Ext2?
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19:05<IceGuest_75>I was using Ext3, but it wouldn't boot from it
19:05<IceGuest_75>Yet I set it to be bootable and installed LILO
19:07<amphi>linux doesn't care about the bootable flag
19:07<IceGuest_75>alright. So what FS is ideal for my situation?
19:08<amphi>ext2 perhaps?
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19:09<IceGuest_75>Alright, that's one thing out the way. Now, the Geode CPU in the thin client I have is a i586. Does Debian have a i585 kernel, or can the i686 kernel fall back into compatibity mode?
19:10<blarson>IceGuest_75: Use i486 kernel, or compile your own.
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19:14<bulio>what do scores in aptitude mean?
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19:16<blarson>bulio: how well it likes what it needs to do to do the install.
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19:23<bulio>how can I tell what program version apitude is installing?
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19:24<themill>bulio: at what stage?
19:24<bulio>aptitude isntall awesome
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19:25<themill>bulio: before that, if you run "apt-cache policy awsome" it will tell you.
19:25<IceGuest_75>amphi: is there a way to force debian to installing the i486 kernel (as I'm installing debian via a CF read/writer on my laptop, and then going to use it my thin client)
19:25<themill>bulio: if you're at the [Y/n/?] prompt, you can hit "v" to get version numbers.
19:25<IceGuest_75>amphi: as the installer installs a i686 kernel
19:26<bulio>hmm, how can I get the experimental paackage in debian
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19:26<blarson>IceGuest_75: You can install, then add the i486 kernel and removed the i686 one.
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19:27<blarson>IceGuest_75: Or there should be a way to choose in expert mode.
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19:28<amphi>IceGuest_75: sorry, I'm wrestling with the controls here, in a partially functioning fb console ;)
19:28<IceGuest_75>No worries, I'll try that soon
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19:29<IceGuest_75>So, what does debian use as the shell? Busybox?
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19:29<IceGuest_75>....The installer used busybox.... Hm
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19:31<bulio>how do I install a different version in the program?
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19:31<amphi>bulio: you could try building the source package
19:31<themill>bulio: what are you looking for?
19:32<bulio>themill: I enabled experimental repos and want awesome 3.1~rc4-1 0
19:32<themill>dpkg: tell bulio about ssb
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19:32<themill>bulio: but replace those instructions with "experimental" where it says "sid"
19:32<themill>and best of luck....
19:32<bulio>I've been told the awesome 3.0 works fine in debian
19:32<IceGuest_75>what's 'awesome'?
19:32<bulio>a tiling window manager
19:33<IceGuest_75>I thought it was a game or something.
19:33<astronut>no, that's epiphany
19:33<themill>anything with a name like that probably isn't going to live up to its name
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19:35<bulio>so theres no way just to tell aptitude to install 3.0?
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19:36<IceGuest_75>update parameter, perhaps?
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19:36<themill>bulio: there is, but it's unlikely to work out well for you.
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19:36<upsy>would 'aptitude -t experimental install' work?
19:36<amphi>bulio: as I said, you could try building the source package from experimental
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19:43<lrtman>¡Ö hello ¡Ö
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19:47<IceGuest_75>What's the advantages of having a /boot partition?
19:47<IceGuest_75>Are there any?
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19:50<kingsley>While unstable remains frozen, is anyone here starting to use packages from the "experimental" distribution? If so, which packages have you installed from experimental, and how well do they work?
19:50<astronut>unstable is not frozen
19:50<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
19:50<kingsley>IceGuest_75: The first advantage that comes to my mind is that I assume your computer will keep running if the /home partition fills up.
19:50<amphi>unstable is slushy ;)
19:50<d0rt>iceguest_75 , a separate partition is handy if you plan on multibooting (choosing to boot into different kernels/OSs/partitions)
19:51<blarson>IceGuest_75: It lets you have other filesystems be encrypted, on lvm, etc.
19:52<IceGuest_75>I'll pass on the encryption
19:52<IceGuest_75>Well, I can't dualboot off a CompactFlash card can I? :P (windows would kill it, but that's microsoft and they suck)
19:52<blarson>also, it was needed on 32-bit sparc systems.
19:52<astronut>why not?
19:52<astronut>IceGuest_75: i've used tons of systems that only use a CF card
19:52<IceGuest_75>what do they run, astronut?
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19:53<astronut>blarson: ok, name sounds really familiar - did i meet you at DC7?
19:53<astronut>IceGuest_75: what what do they run?
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19:54<dli>SetGrabKeysState disabled
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19:55<dli>is this why I lost keyboard/mouse
19:56<kingsley>astronut: It seems to me that unstable is frozen, according to
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19:56<blarson>astronut: I think so.
19:57<astronut>kingsley: that's lenny or testing
19:57<astronut>unstable is sid
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19:57<dpkg>it has been said that slushy is when a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
19:58<astronut>it's not an official policy however - frozen has a technical meaning - packages are not automatically transitioned
19:58<astronut>that is not the case for unstable
19:59<kingsley>astronut: OK, thanks.
20:00<astronut>IceGuest_75: i didn't understand your question
20:02<IceGuest_75>astronut: Sorry, I meant, what do the systems run of the CF cards?
20:02<IceGuest_75>Any swap?
20:03<astronut>some of them can lock up pretty bad on io
20:03<astronut>special vim settings are a good idea
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20:03<IceGuest_75>Well, I'm using a CF card to run my webserver box
20:04<astronut>that's.... special
20:04<astronut>you want to put your www-root in ram
20:04<IceGuest_75>wouldn't that delete all my www docs then when it powers off?
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20:04<IceGuest_75>Oh, I see
20:05<astronut>you copy them into ram on boot
20:05<IceGuest_75>have a startup / shutdown script that syncs them to ram
20:05<IceGuest_75>Hm, not a bad idea. How hard is it to make a RAMdisk?
20:05<astronut>just a line in fstab or a mount command
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20:06<astronut>also /dev/shm is usually one by default
20:06<IceGuest_75>So I would do: mount /dev/shm /mnt/myramdisk ?
20:06<astronut>you also want to set noatime nodiratime in your mount options?
20:06<astronut>/dev/shm is a "ramdisk folder"
20:07<IceGuest_75>Oh, right
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20:07<IceGuest_75>And a idea to prevent data loss on power outages is cron syncing the ramdisk contents every hour or so?
20:08<astronut>anyway, mount -t tmpfs none dir makes directory a ramfs
20:08<astronut>IceGuest_75: sure
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20:09<astronut>can be more frequent, the point is you don't want a read() on it to block
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20:14<IceGuest_75>astronut: Ok, going to install debian to my CF card, brb on Pocket PC IRC
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20:16<astronut>IceGuest_75: just remember to disable swap, etc
20:17<astronut>read the link i sent
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20:19<IceGuest_75>saved it to my sd card.
20:19<IceGuest_75>brb soon.
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20:25<dli>SetGrabKeysState disabled, is this the reason I lose keyboard/mouse?
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20:30<bulio>anyone here use rxvt?
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20:33<IceGuest_75>ok back
20:34<IceGuest_75>installing debian on a cf card... what installer components do i need?
20:35<IceGuest_75>in expert mode mind you
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20:39<IceGuest_75>astronut: what mount options did you say to use?
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20:42<astronut>IceGuest_75: they're on that webpage?
20:42<astronut>for the regular file system
20:42<astronut>IceGuest_75: i've always just used the standard installer in the past
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20:46<IceGuest_75>do you need the bootable flag on?
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20:46<IceGuest_75>i'm guess so
20:46<IceGuest_75>guessing so*
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21:21<ludwig>I am trying to start a system from an USB stick
21:22<ludwig>since not every host supports booting from an USB stick like if it was a HDD, I wanted to start the system using Syslinux
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21:23<ludwig>The initrd mounts the USB-stick, but there I can not make a loop-mount of the root paritition. It says "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument"
21:24<ludwig>oh, Yes, I mknodded /dev/loop0 and I also losetuped it
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21:25<ludwig>Does anyone have an idea what I do need to loop-mount from initram-fs?
21:29<kapil>ludwig: do you have the correct filesystem module loaded
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21:30<ludwig>kapil, You mean beside loop that of the image itself? Could be a reason ...
21:30<ludwig>oh, OK - that was it!
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21:32<ludwig>kapil, I can now mount the image to /mnt, but I can not remount it on / ...
21:34<ludwig>kapil, a mount -o loop,remount /root/boot/hdd-image / && echo SUCCESS results in "SUCCESS" printed on the screen. But neither mount nor the content of / reflects that mount?!
21:34<kapil>in the initramfs, the usual approach is to setup the root filesystem somewhere (like /mnt) and then pivot_root to it.
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21:35<kapil>ludwig: that is not the correct usage of "remount". read "man mount". you can only change the mount options with "remount" not the mountpoint or the mount device.
21:36<ludwig>kapil, OK.
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21:41<prahal>hi is down ?
21:41<ludwig>prahal, I can not reach it either
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21:43<eldowan>works for me
21:43<amphi>me too!!!
21:44<ludwig>now it does so here, too. Seems like if there was a temporary failure or so.
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21:47<prahal>thanks , well it lasted 10 minutes and I was in the window ,) great to have it back so soon
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22:04<Sweetandy>I'm running Debian Lenny on a Mac Mini. When I opened Rhythmbox and imported an MP3 file, it played. Is this *supposed* to happen?
22:04<Sweetandy>I thought MP3 was restricted
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22:11<prahal>Sweetandy, encoding is restricted . I don't remind if decoding is
22:11<prahal>that s why mp3lame and such are not included a least
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22:15<metaperl_>if I'm having problems with tomcat5.5 where should I ask for help?
22:15<metaperl_>on debian/stable
22:17<amphi>Sweetandy: eh?
22:18<Sweetandy>just that decoding is permitted. I did not know that.
22:18<Sweetandy>I guess it makes sense, cause although I can play them, I can't rip as them.
22:18<Sweetandy>ogg only, which is fiiine with me
22:18<amphi>rip with what?
22:19<amphi>sure, ogg vorbis is better
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22:21<Sweetandy>rip with rhythmbox into MP3
22:22<aetheria>rip with grip to .ogg
22:22<amphi>grip is a nice little FE
22:23<aetheria>then upload to your favorite torrent site :-)
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22:24<Sweetandy>but ripping to MP3 isn't free
22:24<Sweetandy>is it?
22:24<amphi>lame is in the debian-multimedia repo
22:25<Sweetandy>My world is crashing down right now
22:25<amphi>mp3 encoding is patent-encumbered in some jurisdictions, .us mainly as far as I know
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22:26<Sweetandy>somebody told me about toolame just now. Darn. This is so weird. So despite the patent restrictions, you can, in a free manner, encode into MP3?
22:26<Sweetandy>That's insane
22:26<Sweetandy>I must meditate on this discovery.
22:27<amphi>most places don't recognise sw patents
22:27<Sweetandy>I'm in the US
22:27<amphi>hw encoders are another story
22:27<Sweetandy>But that makes sense
22:27<Sweetandy>hardware == hw?
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22:28<Sweetandy>I'm going crazy
22:32<amphi>!comfort Sweetandy
22:32<dpkg>There, there, Sweetandy. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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23:04<ematrix>hi guys!
23:05<ematrix>how can i use the serial port from debian?
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23:37<shaze>Can I ask questions here?
23:37<snogglethorpe>shaze: no
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23:38<shaze>Is there a better channel you know of ?
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23:49<Rizha>hey anybody know what the last release of debian. n good debian release???
23:50<GPenguin>the current stable release is still Etch, but the current testing release called Lenny is almost ready and could be used on a desktop computer
23:53<Rizha>thank man..
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23:54<southafrikanse>Hello. I'm having some problems with some fonts. In Iceweasel I can't see them :/
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23:56<Rizha>hello i have some troble with sound on gnome debian lenny realase. sound always setup if i reboot sound mute again. anyone can help that ??
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