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00:13<enouf>D1ablo: coreduo and core2duos don't have HT, and the only p4s (netburst) i know of that are dual cores are the pentiumD series (and perhaps some xeon models .. maybe)
00:15<dr|z3d>Yup, afaik ht started and ended with the P4.
00:15<enouf>D1ablo: besides, abrotman's answer about your flags is more than sufficient
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00:17<enouf>Supaplex: isn't your /var/log/dmesg intact? (as opposed to the live kernel ring buffer output as seen when running 'dmesg')
00:19<snogglethorpe>anyone know if there's anyway to get sound-juicer to encode from existing .flac files (e.g., to mp3), instead of from a CD?
00:20<enouf>dr|z3d: and - the one rare exception (still the 8xx series - just not called pentiumD) "Pentium Extreme Edition Model 840"
00:21<dr|z3d>enouf: Ah, ok. I defer to your more obscure knowledge ;)
00:21<enouf>dr|z3d: you know they gotta just f*** up their naming conventions - to confuse the masses ;-)
00:21<enouf>dr|z3d: a little about the list i mentioned table 1
00:22<dr|z3d>enouf: Interesting. Will check, thanks. If only to earn more geek spurs ;)
00:23*enouf upgrades dr|z3d: geek status to 1.5 pocketprotectors :-P
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00:24<enouf>snogglethorpe: can 'sox' be of use?
00:25<enouf>snogglethorpe: fwiw, i think there are kioslaves/plugins in kde that allow for various formats like that (from one to the other) - but if you don't use kde - forget that
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00:26<snogglethorpe>enouf: well I could just run the encoder programs by hand (lame for mp3 etc), it's just that it's nice to have all the various metadata copied over automatically, and get reasoanble defaults for the encoder settings etc...
00:26<snogglethorpe>and I figure programs like sound-juicer already have all that functionality
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00:27<enouf>not familiar with it - sorry
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00:33<digweed>hello. how do I recompile kernel when i have made changes thru 'make menuconfig'. i have enabled my wireless card driver. now i want to compile the driver only if possible.
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00:36<valdyn>digweed: make path/to/file
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00:38<digweed>valdyn: thx. when i do "fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" it doesnt know that i have made changes to the .config file.
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00:49<snogglethorpe>enouf: looks like sox backends for flac and mp3 can't be installed simultaneously at the moment... :-(
00:50<enouf>snogglethorpe: ouch
00:51<enouf>digweed: valdyn i thought you need an option to make, such as maybe -O or something? hrmm ...
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01:07<enouf>digweed: not possible through make-kpkg AFAIK
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01:09<enouf>digweed: but, (1st make copies of your finished nice .config from the make menuconfig) do make-kpkg clean ; then run your command again ... /msg dpkg kp mantra
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01:20<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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01:20<dpkg>[apt-spy] a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
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01:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
01:29<blast_hardcheese>Someone should rewrite that
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01:31<blast_hardcheese>"[The CD] is not required for a base install to complete"?
01:31<blast_hardcheese>Kind of odd.
01:32<ctux>i have installed already, chose icewm but it looks like windows 95, no wondering to get which wm
01:33<Supaplex>!start a wm war
01:33<dpkg>fluxbox blows!
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01:33<Supaplex>that's why I like openbox3, dpkg :)
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01:35<chealer>!tell ctux about msg the bot
01:35<ctux>how`s lxde? i didnt find any etch sources for it, only lenny
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01:36<chealer>blast_hardcheese: [the Internet connection]
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01:36<craigevil>ctux: you wont find etch sources for lxde
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01:41<And1>Hai I'm starting my windowmanager from GDM via .xsession file... but somehow gdm doesn't load my PATH's... I wrote "export PATH=/home/and1/bin:$PATH" to my .xsession, but it doesn't work, neither my user, nor root has this path in their PATH.
01:44<chealer>ctux: LXDE is still being developed
01:45<ctux>chealer: yes just found that, so wondering whatelse to choose as kde gets bloated no matter how trimmed you try to keep it
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01:58<Supaplex>!apt recommends
01:58<dpkg>i heard apt recommends is since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get -o "APT::Install-Recommends=no;" install package_name, or use the --no-install-recommends option.
01:58<Supaplex>and use aptitude actually. there's a --without-recommends that does the same.
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02:02<Tobuku>Hi, new to debian, but why there is an error "can't detect network device "when i use trying to netinstall
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02:03<Supaplex>what network device do you have?
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02:05<Tobuku>I am using an realtek one
02:06<Supaplex>and the model?
02:06<Tobuku>I have installed ubuntu 7.04 on it, I think it should be recognized
02:06<Tobuku>nah, just the pci one
02:06<chealer>dpkg: no, apt recommends is <reply>Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false.
02:06<dpkg>chealer: okay
02:08<Supaplex>realtek make a few different wired nics too. can you be *more* vague?
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02:10<Supaplex>maybe a lspci output for the device in question? eg, lspci -nn. feel free to paste the *one* line that applies to the device in question.
02:13<blast_hardcheese>chealer: Yes, of course [the internet connection], but that's not how that sentence reads :\
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02:13<blast_hardcheese>Please, by all means keep it as it is, I'll continue to laugh at it every time I read it
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02:14<chealer>blast_hardcheese: well, then that someone can be you, as you saw above.
02:14<And1>Hrm, it seems gdm doesn't read/execute .bash_profile...
02:15<blast_hardcheese>Andl: why would it?
02:15<Supaplex>And1: I source it from .xinitrc
02:15<blast_hardcheese>It's not spawning bash, If you're referring to the environment, that's a function of using startx inside of bash, I presume
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02:16<Tobuku>sure, I can't remember it. I thought it was a realtek rtl****
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02:17<Supaplex>well the 8139c+ works just fine here. you must have some other model.
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02:22<Tobuku>Thanks Supaplex, I also want to know if dhcp service can be used when doing netinst.
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02:25<Tobuku>Ok, whether there is a way if the etch can't recognize my nic~:d
02:26<And1>Supaplex: Mh, you source what from xinitrc? bash_profile?
02:26<Supaplex>try lspci -n | grep 200:
02:26<Supaplex>And1: yeah
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02:28<Supaplex>Tobuku: run the lspci part from tty2. press c+a+f2
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02:31<Tobuku>ok, Supaplex, I'll try that later, thanks. :D
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02:34<And1>Supaplex: Lemme try that... one sec.
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02:38<And1>Supaplex: Mh, yeah this works... my home-bin appears now in PATH (user and root), though I get an error in my xsession-errors... "xmonad: executeFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)", but xmonad is in PATH.
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02:38<Supaplex>well, it works for me. I'm not up to fixing extra issues right now.
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03:16<cYmen>Hi guys. I would like to build a new cairo to replace the old libcairo2-dev. Could you point me to some documentation how to do that?
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03:17<Supaplex>CosmicB: apt-get source, and possibly dpkg-buildpackage and <uupdate>
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03:23<s_i_m>cYmen, get the source, read its INSTALL and README and follow instructions. You could also check if unstable or experimental already have a package for it, though
03:25<cYmen>s_i_m: I can compile it but won't everything use the old version which is found in the expected location?
03:29<s_i_m>cYmen, if SONAME of the new library differs from the old one, then the old lib and the new lib can happily coexist.
03:30<s_i_m>software compiled with the old lib will still use the old one. the new software you compile against the new lib will use the new one.
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03:33<cYmen>s_i_m: by some (to me completely incomprehensible magic) awesome simply found the new version and when compiled again and everything is great...
03:33<cYmen>wow.. :)
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03:36<cYmen>s/new version and/new version/
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03:47<yep>anyone here?
03:47<yep>has chinese?
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03:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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04:29<stevem_>Lo I installed NetworkManager 0.7 in Lenny using "apt-get -t experimental"... it's hell... how do you uninstall experimental packages? :>
04:30<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
04:30<stevem_>Supaplex: Yeah that entirely doesn't hell me at all
04:30<Supaplex>I think you start over, or restore from backup
04:30<stevem_>All I asked was how to revert, not a lesson why not to use them
04:31<Supaplex>apt-get remove
04:31<stew>stevem_: you'd uninstall an experimental package the same way you'd remove any other package
04:31<stevem_>stew, But would that -revert- or remove?
04:31<stew>stevem_: remove
04:31<Supaplex>provided the package is anywhere near sane, it would remove
04:32<stew>stevem_: or what do you mean by "-revert-"?
04:32<Supaplex>even unstable packages are not guaranteed to uninstall cleanly
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04:32<stevem_>NetworkManager is the devil
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04:32<Supaplex>there's no undo my bad option
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04:40<sander_m>Hello all. I have a problem. I am running a webserver and it got hacked. I'm afraid it got rooted as well. How can I fix it? I am thinking about checking /etc to make sure everything is okay, then reinstalling all packages from the package repositories.
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04:42<sander_m>I know the best way is to simply install from scratch, but the server is in a remote location
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04:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debsums is a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files.
04:43<Supaplex>you know what a rootkit is, right?
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04:45<Supaplex>I hope you don't find out the hard way :)
04:45<sander_m>Yes, roughly. I have rkhunter installed but it doesn't report antghing
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04:47<Supaplex>newer kits may evade the signature detections, so best of luck.
04:48<weasel>sander_m: if you got compromised then the only sane solution is to reinstall from known good media
04:48<Supaplex>I'm not familar with the outstanding ones, but you may want to check the release site for it to see if there is someway to update it, or install a local version (be sure to purge the debian package)
04:48<weasel>sander_m: then restore files from backup, inspecing each and everyone you put back.
04:48<weasel>everything else is just insane.
04:48<Supaplex>as weasel says. that's the only want to be sure.
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04:49<sander_m>weasel: I'll install an upstream rkhunter. Thanks.
04:49<weasel>that doesn't help.
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04:51<Supaplex>rkhunter will only tell you the glaring obvious ones
04:51<weasel>and it won't help you with stuff that even 10 years ago was state of the art
04:52<weasel>like a kernel that's now lying to you.
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04:52<Supaplex>it's okay because the matrix tells you it's okay. right? - no
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04:52<sander_m>I know what you mean :-)
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04:53<sander_m>The box is in a remote location that we can't get to ATM so doing a full reinstall right now isn't an option. We want to do that in a few days.
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04:53<sander_m>In the mean time, I'd like to do what I can
04:53<Supaplex>init 0 ;)
04:54<weasel>seriously. shut down the machine.
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04:59<sander_m>Is it possible to somehow remotely reinstall the machine, using some clever combination of debootstrap/chroot and other means?
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05:00<koollman>sander_m: it's rather hard. and you would be doing it from an untrusted system, unless you have netboot or equivalent services...
05:00<zyxcba2>it should be, possible but how would you know that anything you did was secure
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05:32<U-boot92>does anyone use iceweasel3 (lenny)
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05:33<U-boot92>no-one using debian lenny and iceweasel3 ?
05:34<gdzyl> I not use. 4.0R5
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05:37<Supaplex>!anyone use iceweasel3
05:37<dpkg>No, no one uses iceweasel3, not even the people who use it.
05:38<Supaplex>U-boot92: assume we do. what's the matter?
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05:40<U-boot92>with the new version
05:40<U-boot92>I man
05:40<U-boot92>iceweasel 3
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05:41<U-boot92>animated gif images and pngs are not displayed prperly
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05:41<U-boot92>they used to be in iceweasel 2
05:41<Supaplex>are there any bug reports in bts?
05:43<U-boot92>I believe not
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05:45<U-boot92>Supaplex, google doesn't say anything about it either
05:45<U-boot92>only probems when zooming images.. but this is not my case
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05:49<Supaplex>try adding a new user and test it there. if the problem goes away, it's your profile, otherwise use reportbug and file a new bug
05:50<sheldonh>as a release engineer, i'd be pretty pissed that lenny rc1 didn't make it onto the news section at :)
05:52<Supaplex>any other suggestions while he's at it?
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05:53<wb>who know debian 5.0 where to download
05:53<jm_>animated GIF-s work just fine for me in 3.0.4
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05:53<wb>i want know the 3.0and5.0 's diffrent
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05:55<kalevala90>i'm not an expert but the packages are updated in lenny 5.0
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05:56<Supaplex>wb: are you trying to install lenny?
05:56<kalevala90>I mean that you have less problems with newest software open sources
05:56<wb>i updated but my screen is don't work well
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05:56<wb>i wan't reinstall debian
05:57<kalevala90>mmm bad luck
05:57<Supaplex>wb: you can still install etch and upgrade
05:58<wb>i installed form hard disk,now i downing the CD iso
05:59<wb>i think if install debian etch and upgrade ,then upgraded it work with i want install lenny
05:59<kalevala90>have you tried to save in source.list the lenny repository
05:59<kalevala90>i have lenny
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06:00<wb>yes .first lenny of my is upgrade from etch
06:01<wb>if i have two harddisk can i make raid?
06:01<kalevala90>i try to post my repo and check it out
06:02<kalevala90>i think yes but i am unable to give you more information
06:02<blarson>wb: You can do raid 1 on two hard drives.
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06:03<wb>my X is xface i upgrade form etch to lenny,now it dosen't work good so i want reinstall.some body like me ?
06:03<wb>how can i do?thank you tell me :)
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06:05<gdzyl>what dosen't work good.
06:05<kalevala90> ## Debian Testing (lenny)
06:05<kalevala90> deb testing main contrib non-free
06:05<kalevala90> #deb-src testing main contrib non-free
06:05<kalevala90> ## Aggiornamenti della sicurezza
06:05<kalevala90> deb testing/updates main contrib
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06:08<kalevala90>My repos is something like that ,and everything is good
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06:09<kalevala90>I dunno whether it can help
06:09<Supaplex>!tell kalevala90 -about paste
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06:09<Supaplex>your paste was interrupted, rightly so, by the flood protection bot.
06:10<kalevala90>yes, I noticed ^^
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06:11<chumis>alguien habla espa;ol
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06:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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06:12<chumis>como estan
06:13<chumis>espero que bien
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06:13<chumis>creo q no hablan con desconocidos
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06:14<Supaplex>!tell chumis -about es
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06:14<chumis>how are you?
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06:16<chumis>see you bbs
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06:24<polywaffle>hey i want to install a pastebin application but there appears to be none in the lenny repositories
06:24<polywaffle>any ideas?
06:26<jm_>you can download it from
06:26<polywaffle>prefer using deb file?
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06:26<jm_>it's not packaged
06:26<polywaffle>in gentoo it is
06:27<polywaffle>is there any equivalent?
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06:30<enouf>polywaffle: pastebinit pkg?
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06:32<enouf>judd: versions pastebinit
06:32<judd>enouf: pastebinit -- lenny: 0.10-1 sid: 0.10-1
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06:32<ctux>!tell ctux about gnome
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06:33<enouf>ctux: you can pm the bot yourself - use /msg dpkg <factoid>
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06:34<polywaffle>enouf looking now
06:34<ctux>enouf: yes i did and it worked for me, thanks for poiting it
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06:35<jm_>pastebinit is to paste stuff on pastebin-s, i thought you want pastebin app itself
06:36<polywaffle>enouf before when i checked aptitude I tried pastein and it came up with a lot of other libs etc
06:36<polywaffle>how would I refine the search more
06:36<ctux>enouf: enabling src repos is nedded in routine? im not into making any packages from source so can i keep them disabled?
06:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
06:38<enouf>ctux: right, you don't need any 'deb-src ...' lines if you're not going to be compiling from debian source
06:38<enouf>ctux: it doesn't hurt though to have it there either
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06:39<ctux>enouf: thanks, now its clear why my lenny net install enabled them by deafult
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06:39<enouf>polywaffle: it's one of those anamolies i guess
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06:39<And1>Mh, it seems I can't export something (anymore, after dist-upgrade etch->lenny) in my .xinitrc... any ideas?
06:39<polywaffle>enouf i think i need to improve my aptitude
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06:40<enouf>polywaffle: searchin in apt/aptitude properly/effectively requires a bit of regex know how - and maybe bash - using things like ^name to list things the --names-only option does, etc
06:41<polywaffle>true, I think it is really about rtfb
06:41<polywaffle>for me
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06:41<enouf>polywaffle: debian-reference is nice - /msg dpkg grounding
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06:43<polywaffle>is debian-reference a manual or is it a manual on the web
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06:44<kenda>а тут є рускі люди?
06:44<kenda>russian people chanel?
06:44<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at, or . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'.
06:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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06:46<kenda>ви рускі?
06:46<enouf>And1: maybe a DM got installed? and you might want to use an .xsession instead? /msg dpkg xsession
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06:47<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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06:50<kalevala90>is there something for italian speakers!?
06:51<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:52<And1>enouf: Mh, .xsession is a symlink to .xinitrc, so it should work though.
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06:54<kalevala90>that's good, so I'm curiuous to know what's going on downthere
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07:03<And1>Where is the user's PATH set? When I do 'echo $PATH' as user I see /usr/local/share/ two times...
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07:10<aaron_>I have a problem with Compiz workspace switcher....I want the Compiz Expo Workspaces to match up with WorkSpaceSwitchers desktops....Can someone help?
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07:12<sMoKeDoG|Jnr>anyone here able to help me with a small problem? :)
07:12<pina>hi guy
07:13<pina>i've a problem with ubuntu but i can't find the channel "#ubuntu"
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07:13<SlimeyPete>there's a #ubuntu on freenode
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07:14<SlimeyPete>though I can find #ubuntu on here...
07:14<sMoKeDoG|Jnr>it seems all my user accounts (except root) on my server have lost write permissions
07:14<sMoKeDoG|Jnr>how can i fix this?
07:14<kalevala90>say to us what probles is
07:14<pina>there are only 2 peroson?
07:14<sMoKeDoG|Jnr>im quite new to debian
07:15<pina>i've to copy a folder in my pendrive but when i try with "sudo cp", the console say: "foldername failed"
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07:16<awk>hi, is there something like kern.securelevel=1 in linux? I know I can chattr ..... but not exactly what i'm looking for
07:16<kalevala90>pina i try to say somethig about it, but i'm not sure it works
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07:17<pina>kalevala90: you're welcome, please say...
07:17<kalevala90>pina, d'u know chmod 777 !?
07:18<pina>kalevala90: no... what's that?
07:18<kalevala90>ok it is good to know
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07:20<D1ablo>pina> man chmod
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07:20<D1ablo>pina> chmod --help
07:20<kalevala90>you need to use this command befoe uou do something with file
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07:21<And1>Can I do something like "if executed via gdm ; then" in my .xinitrc?
07:21<kalevala90>i can obtain the authorization to operate with you file
07:21<pina>can you tell me the complete comand i've to digit on my console?
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07:22<kalevala90>for example, chmod 777 pathtofile
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07:23<pina>i try
07:23<kalevala90>after that you can copy or edit youfile like you want
07:23<D1ablo>you can also use mc to do the job
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07:23<kalevala90>sorry for my english, but i'm not a native speaker
07:24<kalevala90>it quite easy
07:24<polywaffle>I use oasis for uni. In iceweasel (debian), tabs are rendered incorrectly. In firefox this does not occur (ubuntu). Version is 3.0.4 and I am using Lenny any ideas?
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07:24<pina>kalevala90: so do i
07:24<jm_>polywaffle: you need to ask in Ubuntu IRC channel
07:24<OdyX>jm_: no... ;)
07:24<polywaffle>I don't think I do, this problem is isolated to iceweasel
07:25<OdyX>polywaffle: environment ? Gnome, iceweasel ?
07:25<OdyX>Lenny is up2date ?
07:25<jm_>ohh sorry, I read it the other way arround
07:25<awk>!dpkg libsafe
07:25<polywaffle>up to date
07:25<OdyX>nothing from Sid ?
07:25<jm_>polywaffle: how are tabs rendered incorrectly?
07:25<awk>why was libsafe removed from apt sources?
07:25<polywaffle>actually i correct myself, updating a few packages
07:25<polywaffle>nothing from sid
07:25<kalevala90>pina , your native language!?
07:25<polywaffle>the tabs i will give a paste for to show u
07:26<pina>no, so, it doesn't work...
07:26<D1ablo>i bet is spanish :-)
07:26<pina>i'm ITALIAN
07:26<jm_>awk: check bug #348230
07:26<kalevala90>bene sonoitaliano anch'io
07:27<D1ablo>oh boy ... mafiosi :-)
07:27<polywaffle>Odyx and jm_ ill be back in a moment to give u a URL
07:28<kalevala90>no i think not, so i prefer to die rather than dealing with them
07:28<pina>XD... so what can i do?... to copy that folder... i've done "chmod 777 namefolder"...
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07:28<kalevala90>hai messo chairamente i nome del file ala fine
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07:28<And1>If I do 'ps aux' I get "and1 10468 0.0 0.3 7636 3928 tty1 S+ 13:14 0:00 -bash", what's the "-" in front of "bash" for?
07:28<pina>si... asp che copio il comando
07:28<kalevala90>prova a ripostare il tuo problema di nuovo nonsono più certo che questo sia la soluzione
07:29<kalevala90>si vediamo che hai scritto magari mi viene inmente qualcosa
07:29<pina> chmod 777 '/home/pina/Scrivania/cartella senza nome'
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07:29<polywaffle>OdyX jm_ here is the URL¤t=Screenshot-1.png
07:29<kalevala90>cartella senza nome è quella che vorreasti copiare
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07:30<kalevala90>mmm chiaramente
07:30<OdyX>polywaffle: ah... you mean the tabs in the webapp !
07:30<pina>si ma poi che devo fare?
07:30<D1ablo>i think he be better off and easier for him to use mc
07:30<kalevala90>hai "montato" la chiavetta di memoria !?
07:31<polywaffle>ive tried changing the useragent
07:31<OdyX>polywaffle: try to change the zooming size
07:31<polywaffle>ok trying
07:31<kalevala90>che evi c fare
07:31<pina>si è montata da sola
07:31<OdyX>ctrl-+ ctrl--
07:31<kalevala90>mm fai così
07:31<pina>Diablo: what mc?
07:31<D1ablo>midnight commander
07:31<ao2>pina, kalevala90, this is an English channel, maybe it would be appropriate to move to debian-it, wouldn't it?
07:31<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:32<D1ablo>apt-get install mc
07:32<polywaffle>OdyX it renders correctly now, what was the issue?
07:32<pina>ao2: sorry...
07:32<OdyX>it's an issue on the website's side : poorly written CSS
07:32<ao2>dpkg the translation can be improved... :)
07:32<dpkg>ao2: I don't know, could you explain it?
07:32<kalevala90>cd /home/pina/Scrivania
07:32<polywaffle>should I tell the university?
07:32<D1ablo>pina is like norton nc gi filemanager
07:32<polywaffle>or not bother?
07:32<kalevala90>poi da li prova alanciare
07:32<OdyX>polywaffle: just complain to he provider: it assumes fixed ratio or fixes size or anything
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07:33<OdyX>polywaffle: as far as you can access to it, maybe just mention it or don't bother ;)
07:33<polywaffle>it is interesting that it only screws up on one zoom that I have found
07:33<polywaffle>fair enough :)
07:33<kalevala90>cp cartella senza nome indirizzo della chiavetta di memoria
07:33<kalevala90>ho adto l'idea!?
07:33<OdyX>!tell kalevala90 about it
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07:34<D1ablo>ironic :-)
07:34<kalevala90>dimmi se tutto funziona come dovrebbe nel caso non si risolva nulla prova apostare di nuovo il problema vediamo se qualcun altro ha idee migliori
07:35<ao2>anyone happen to know how to fix the -it message from dpkg bot?
07:35<pina>cp: impossibile fare stat di `/cartella senza nome': Nessun file o directory
07:35<jm_>ao2: no not anyone
07:35<D1ablo>a friend told me once that if you tie the hands of an italian wont be able to speak
07:35<jm_>pina: you should provide error messages in english here
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07:36<D1ablo>it worked :-)
07:36<pina>ok ok
07:36<pina>cp: impossibile to do stat of `/cartella senza nome': nothing file or directory
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07:37<kalevala90>guys i was unable to solve her problems
07:38<jm_>pina: no such file or dir means you are typing wrong path
07:38<kalevala90>try you tohelp her
07:38<pina>ok, i resend my troubles: i've to copy a folder in my pendrive... but it doesn't work
07:38<D1ablo>well i sujjested mc .... makes life alot easier :-)
07:38<pina>Diablo: i've install mc....
07:38<pina>Diablo: but how can i use it?
07:38<D1ablo>just type mc
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07:39<pina>Diablo: yes, and now?
07:39<D1ablo>you mean you never used norton file manager before?
07:39<pina>Diablo: no...
07:40<D1ablo>oh dear :-)
07:40<jm_>or far/vc/...
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07:40<D1ablo>what are you trying to do ?
07:40<ao2>pina, or try to use <TAB> to complete the directory name, it could be that you just mistyped something, or used wrong case
07:40<pina>Diablo: i've to copy a folder from my desktop to my pendrive
07:41<D1ablo>sheesh :-)
07:41<D1ablo>your desktop should be in your /home/username/desktop
07:42<D1ablo>use mc to navigate through to your folders
07:42<D1ablo>hang on
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07:43<D1ablo>why don't you use a file manager ?
07:43<pina>Diablo: yes, i've on my left the desktop and on right the pendrive folder
07:43<D1ablo>highlight the folder you want to copy and hit f5
07:44<D1ablo>click ok and watch the prety numbers rolling :-)
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07:44<pina>Diablo: it say that is a file system....
07:45<D1ablo>you're doing it as root?
07:45<pina>ah... i've to use "sudo mc"?
07:46<pina>Diablo: it say the same (rhyme XD)
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07:46<D1ablo>what the file name?
07:47<pina>Diablo: "cartella senza nome"
07:47<D1ablo>is it a file or a folder?
07:47<pina>Diablo: a folder
07:47<D1ablo>can you dive into it?
07:47<kalevala90>if you do not want to digit every time "sudo", than you use "sudo -s"
07:47<pina>Diablo: yes
07:48<D1ablo>try to copy the inside contenant instead of the folder
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07:48<pina>Diablo: in that folder there are a lot of other folder....
07:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 373] by debhelper
07:49<D1ablo>just mark them with insert
07:49<D1ablo>they will turn to yellow
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07:49<D1ablo>or use [*] to slect all
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07:50<pina>Diablo: how can i mark it?
07:50<D1ablo>with [insert]
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07:51<pina>where is insert??
07:51<D1ablo>just above delete key
07:51<Torsten_W>on your keyboard
07:51<D1ablo>on your keyboard
07:52<D1ablo>or you can use [*] to select all
07:53<pina>uff... it doesn't work.... grrr
07:54<D1ablo>what it doesn't work ?
07:54<pina>to select with insert
07:55<pina>so i can select but don't copy
07:55<D1ablo>so still wont copy any file?
07:55<pina>yes, i can't
07:56<D1ablo>that mean the memory stick is the problem
07:56<D1ablo>how did you mount it?
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07:56<D1ablo>as what file system?
07:56<pina>i've insert it on the usb port....
07:57<D1ablo>have you tried to format the stick ?
07:58<D1ablo>does the stick has write protection switch ?
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07:59<pina>the stick as not the hold button, so i can't format it because i've some files on it..
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08:01<D1ablo>try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/pendrive
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08:02<D1ablo>oh dear
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08:03*D1ablo thin the memory stick is Bogos :-)t
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08:06<D1ablo>i don't know about you guys but is 10pm overhere and i am of to sleep so gnight and thank you foryour support least for today :-)
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08:09<And1>Is it possible to use gdm as screen locking utility?
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08:10<jm_>And1: no
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08:13<thctlo>hi, i need help, i acadently resetted my complete filesystem too chmod 600 , need advies to fix
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08:13<And1>jm_: Can I modify gnome-screensaver to look like my gdm login prompt?
08:15<thctlo>hi, i need help, i acadently resetted my complete filesystem too chmod 600 , need advies to fix
08:15<thctlo>please , someone ?
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08:15<valdyn>thctlo: restore backup
08:16<thctlo>i was setting up backup
08:16<thctlo>:-( wooo
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08:23<jm_>And1: I think screensaver is easily extendable
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08:40<sheldonh>jm_: do you still have that "Tip: the file does not exist"? link? :)
08:40<sheldonh>jm_: i really need it now :)
08:40<polywaffle>is there a quick oneliner i could use to get gpm to startup on boot?
08:40<jm_>sheldonh: sure
08:40<jm_>polywaffle: debian's init script starts it on boot
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08:42<polywaffle>how do i add it to the init script?
08:43<polywaffle>or remove it for that matter
08:43<polywaffle>if i want
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08:45<superjet_busy>when make a deb, debian/foo.install must be `debian/tmp/usr` like things?
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08:46<sheldonh>jm_: and there were smiles all 'round. thanks :)
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08:47<jm_>man update-rc.d
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08:56<Nostalgia>anyone alive?
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09:24<And1>How can I tell gdm to also start on display :1 (CTRL-ALT-F8)?
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10:47<mulender>I'm going to ask an upside down question now. I admit I wanted to use one of these fancy new distros, but on one machine I have to use Debian because only Debian supports the PCI wireless card in it. It's a Broadcom chip and I've already read how they can be a problem. So how come it works fine with Debian Lenny but doesn't work with any other distro I've tried, even Derivatives like Ubuntu?
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10:48<mulender>What am I missing?
10:49<gsimmons>mulender: Which PCI wireless card, specifically? (eg. brand/model/revision)
10:50<mulender>gsimmons it's a Belkin PCI internal. It's not actually listed as supported
10:50<themill>"lspci -nn" is helpful
10:50<mulender>It's not this machine
10:50<mulender>I'll have to come back onthat machine and tell you more
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10:51<mulender>It might not help that I've cobbled the computer together myself :(
10:52<mulender>But as I say I have Lenny installed and working fine
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10:52<mulender>I'm told Lenny isn't the stable release but it actually seems fine to me
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10:56<mulender>gsimmons don't worry Lenny is growing on me. I would have liked to have started with a beginner friendly distro but at the end of the day I'd like working wireless card a lot more.
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11:03<Guest310>hello, the system is sarge (standalone system..). any gurus still remember the aptitude package to install a window login manager?
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11:04<petemc>Guest310: gdm ?
11:04<Guest310>petemc: right, tvm
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11:56<enouf>And1: i think you need 2 displays? .. or hrm, a 'startx -- :1' should trigger another instance of whatever gdm is setup to start? (aka; /usr/bin/gnome-session, /usr/bin/startkde or whatever) .. update-alternatives --config x-session-manager should show which is default
11:57<enouf>themill: lspci -nn <-- the -nn option isn't available on Etch's version, nor is -k (IINM)
11:57<enouf>themill: ooops - he did mention lenny - my bad
11:58<themill>enouf: lspci -nn works for etch. Etch doesn't know -k.
11:59<enouf>And1: fwiw, also note; your /etc/inittab determines what starts on which TTYs .. default setup is to have TTY1-6 as gettys and TTY7 is generally reserved for the X Server .. then another instance started will take the next available TTY
12:00<enouf>themill: yikes - sorry - i thought someone in this channel (and freenode) in the know told me that -nn wasn't as well - if you're right, i stand corrected - and again, my bad :-/
12:01<enouf>And1: also take a peek at gdm-setup i guess as well
12:01<themill>enouf: no worries!
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12:01<fxiny>enouf: cheer you up :P
12:01<enouf>fxiny: heh .. no porbs! :-)
12:01<fxiny>enouf: :)
12:02<enouf>hey - where's phorce1 been? /me checks the -ot channel
12:02<enouf>nope .. not there
12:02<fxiny>long time , and ucu ?
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12:33<enouf>fxiny: lucy lu?
12:33<fxiny>enouf: in the sky ? :P
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12:34<dr|z3d>Here's a random question. Any easy way to get vnc to support alpha channels (and double buffering)?
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12:35<dr|z3d>Currently KDE and anything built with the QT toolkit looks nasty over VNC.
12:35<kop>Is there any way to capture everything sent to the console? I've an lcd panel I want to use to watch the boot process.
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12:37<kop>dr|z3d : I've had good luck with Xvnc, but I don't recall the desktop.
12:37<fxiny>boot logs ? /etc/default/bootlogd
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12:37<kop>fxiny : Thanks. I'll look.
12:38<fxiny>kop: np
12:38<dr|z3d>kop: I suspect it doesn't support alpha channels. Tightvncserver's great, but no alpha channels, no double buffering. I suspect Xvnc is the same.
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12:40<kop>dr|z3d : I'm thinking that Xvnc lets X do everything. It's a thought.
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12:40<dr|z3d>kop: Okeydoke. I'll give it a go. If it doesn't work, I'll hunt you down.
12:40*dr|z3d winks.
12:40<kop>fxiny : Yup. I think bootlogd is the tool.
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13:13*adie wonders if someone can point him towards the best place to ask about the lenny ISC dhcp-client package,
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13:13*adie is having trouble with the lenny isc dhcp3-client package..
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13:13<adie>with this patch:
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13:16<difool>hi, I try to install moscow ml with make but for some reason it do not work with no error message. i don't know why but the mosml package is not "findable" in aptitude
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13:20<roniwiz>greetings to everyone
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13:29<aaron>Compiz compiz (0.7.6-7) is in Sid compiz (0.7.6-7) is in lenny......Should Sid not have the latest compiz which 0.7.6-8?
13:30<straw>not necessarily
13:30<aaron>Actually the latest compiz is 0.7.8
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13:34<aaron>problem with compiz-fusion.....Desktop Wall and Window List Applet....When I navigate Desktop Wall from viewport to viewport I would expect the window list to keep only the windows that I have set in the particular viewport..can some confirm this?
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13:43<gsimmons>adie: What trouble are you experiencing?
13:44<aaron>problem with audacity sound card is Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio the microphone will not record...Is this confirmed in Lenny?
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13:46<adie>gsimmons: when I start dhclient3, it's calling the script with the env var "reason" with the value of "REBOOT", however the script only matches "BOUND"..
13:46<enouf>aaron: checked the BTS and maybe even google?
13:47<adie>gsimmons: if I patch it to allow "REBOOT" too, it adds the routes but also adds the "routes" option too, which IIRC the rfc specifically says not to.
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13:48<adie>gsimmons: I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding it, or if it's a bug.
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13:51<enouf>aaron: i recall some funk about some digital crap being loaded over the AC97 or something (no idea if Lenny related only or what) - lspci -nn is a better indicator of your card specifics - cat /proc/asound/cards
13:53<aaron>enouf, 00:10.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio [10de:026c] (rev a2)
13:53<aaron>0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
13:53<aaron> HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 22
13:53<enouf>aaron: do you use alsamixer? you should try it - install alsautils and alsa-oss
13:54<aaron>enouf, trying now
13:54<enouf>hrm ... try also /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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13:58<aaron>enouf, Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate.
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14:00<enouf>aaron: has the microphone worked prior using audacity? and i know this is silly, but is the mic connected to the correct input jack?
14:00<enouf>aaron: and from what command did you get that error?
14:00<aaron>the last error was from audacity when trying to record from mic
14:01<aaron>enouf, it has worked before in Ubuntu Intrepid but not working in Debian Lenny
14:01<enouf>aaron: well .. that appears that it might be just something you need to tweak in Audacity Preferences
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14:02<aaron>enouf, it does not work in sound record and the test for the sound card does not work either
14:02<enouf>aaron: i see - well .. i think ubuntu also incorporated Pulse audio via default, not sure though - run through the alsa checklist that dpkg showed you
14:02<U-boot92>hello there
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14:02<enouf>oh ..hrm
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14:03<enouf>aaron: are you using gnome or kde or ?
14:03<U-boot92>does anyone know if there is an mplayer plugin for konqueror?
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14:03<aaron>enouf, gnome
14:04<enouf>aaron: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base (select alsa) ... go into System > Preferences > preferred devices? Set the Audio to Alsa?
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14:04<enouf>U-boot92: hrm .. i don't recall seeing one offhand .. kde has it's own plugins and ioslaves - not sure
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14:05<enouf>U-boot92: IOW, if you want to get Flash working in kde? dunno, i doubt it - but no idea about kde4 - find #kde specific channels (and maybe #mplayer ones)
14:06<U-boot92>enouf: I am aware that konqueror can use kaboodle
14:06<U-boot92>I do NOT want flash
14:06<enouf>never heard of kaboodle - but then, i haven't heard of many things
14:06<U-boot92>I want to listen to .ogg online
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14:06<enouf>that should be simple
14:07<U-boot92>sure, the problem is
14:07<U-boot92>I want mplayer to handle that
14:07<valdyn>U-boot92: via the mplayer plugin?
14:07<U-boot92>I believe there is only mozilla-mplayer
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14:08<U-boot92>I am using konqueror...
14:08<enouf>U-boot92: ~$ apt-cache search kde | grep mplayer
14:08<enouf>kmplayer - media player for KDE
14:08<valdyn>U-boot92: konqueror does use mozilla plugins
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14:08<valdyn>U-boot92: like flash, like mplayer-mozilla
14:08<enouf>valdyn: you mean Netscape Navigator?
14:08<aaron>enouf, nothing yet hmmmm
14:08<valdyn>enouf: uh?
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14:08<valdyn>enouf: no i dont
14:08<aaron>enouf, perhaps if I upgraded the kernel
14:09<enouf>valdyn: kde doesn't use mozilla plugins
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14:09<valdyn>enouf: im talking about konqueror, not kde
14:09<enouf>i am too
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14:09<enouf>i meant KonqOut
14:09<valdyn>enouf: i know that konqueror works with mozilla plugins
14:10<enouf>well - i never could find any
14:10<enouf>i guess i suck
14:10<valdyn>enouf: what i dont know is if that plugin has to be copied somewhere else, but id doubt that
14:10<fxiny>konqueror uses mozilla plugins
14:10<U-boot92>well, konqueror won't use mozilla-mplayer
14:10<U-boot92>valdyn: will it be compatible
14:10<enouf>aaron: cat /proc/debian_version && uname -r
14:10<valdyn>U-boot92: sure
14:10<U-boot92>nevertheless, mozilla and konqueror are different engines
14:11<valdyn>U-boot92: maybe konqueror already has something set to play back ogg streams
14:11<enouf>fxiny: and valdyn well then, i stand corrected - and i suck ass today
14:11<valdyn>U-boot92: cant help you with that part, i dont use konqueror
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14:11<enouf>fxiny: i could never find anything for konqout that mozilla uses
14:11<U-boot92>I'll give it a try anyway
14:12<enouf>U-boot92: can you post a sample URL?
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14:12<U-boot92>enouf: sure,
14:12<U-boot92>just a sec
14:13<fxiny>enouf: hehe
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14:13<enouf>ahh crap - i see now in Konq > Settings > Configure Konq > Plugins
14:13<enouf>i could've swore i only ever saw Netscape mentioned in there
14:14<enouf>i stopped using Konq a long time ago ... so my bad
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14:14<fxiny>enouf: you know already my ultimate question ;) : "reaching for enlightenment ? feeling for nirvana ? go for unstable : run siddartha" :P
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14:15<aaron>enouf, 2.6.26-1-686
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14:16<U-boot92>unfortunately, after installing mozilla-mplayer
14:16<U-boot92>there is no plugin in ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins
14:16<enouf>aaron: so .. i doubt it's your kernel that's old or anything - do you get all other audio working correctly? playback of audiocds? mp3s?
14:17<enouf>U-boot92: look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
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14:17<enouf>or .../firefox/plugins
14:17<enouf>and symlink it - or cp it, and checkout whatever you have to do to your pluginreg.dat file
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14:18<aaron>enouf, yes they play properly
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14:18<U-boot92>well I found the plugins
14:18<U-boot92>now I will copy them
14:18<U-boot92>and see...
14:18<enouf>aaron: well - have you done the alsa checklist? where does it fail? if anywhere? does using Audacity and mic as root work?>
14:19<enouf>U-boot92: konq has that whole entire search plugin dirs/ area in the config i mentioned above
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14:19<enouf>U-boot92: it would help if you posted something in english too :-P
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14:20<U-boot92>at the moment I am tryong to find the dir to copy to
14:20<U-boot92>maybe ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror...
14:20<enouf>i have like 5000 dirs listed there
14:21<enouf>is that kde4?
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14:22<U-boot92>~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/kpartplugins ?
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14:22<aaron>enouf, what is command to run for alsa checklist?
14:23<enouf>U-boot92: go where i said, and point it to search wherver your plugins actually are
14:23<enouf>!tell aaron about alsa checklist
14:23<enouf>U-boot92: <enouf> ahh crap - i see now in Konq > Settings > Configure Konq > Plugins
14:24<U-boot92>wait a sec
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14:25<enouf>what happened to kmplayer? :-P
14:25<U-boot92>still won't work
14:25<U-boot92>don't mention it
14:25<enouf>you do need ogg pkgs i imagine
14:26<U-boot92>nope- mozilla-mplayer worked fine with iceweasel
14:26<U-boot92>but it's not compatible with konq engine...
14:27<aaron>enouf, I don't see and audio group?
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14:28<mcdmx>is it possible to attach a png-image to a debian-bug?
14:28<enouf>aaron: does it work when you are root user?
14:28<max92>привет всем
14:28<enouf>aaron: 'groups' as username should show somethhing like this; adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev
14:28<aaron>enouf, no
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14:29<enouf>aaron: well - you should have an audio group anyway - but that's not the issue if root user also fails
14:29<aaron>enouf, I don't have any of those groups
14:29<aaron>enouf, might I be missing a package?
14:29<enouf>aaron: cat /etc/debian_version
14:30<enouf>aaron: dpkg -l libc6
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14:30<aaron>enouf, elijah:/home/aaron# cat /etc/debian_version
14:30<aaron>enouf, ii libc6 2.7-16
14:31<enouf>aaron: so which groups show when you are username?
14:31<enouf>aaron: not when you are root user .. but a regular user
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14:32<enouf>aaron: root user will only show root as output of 'groups' which is fine
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14:33<enouf>mcdmx: why not post teh URL to another site that contains the image?
14:33<enouf>like or something
14:33<aaron>enouf, where do I check which groups?
14:34<mcdmx>enouf: Just saw that reportbug supports attachments (with the -A option)
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14:35<mcdmx>hmmmm... iceweasel has 578 outstanding bugs :-(
14:35<enouf>aaron: login as a regular user, and run 'groups' or 'id -a' or, 'getent /etc/groups', or xargs ...
14:35<enouf>or su to username .. whatever
14:35<aaron>enouf, aaron dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev
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14:38<enouf>forget the getent one - but this lists all groups , as would a simple cat of /etc/group (unless there's some LDAP or something going on for verification)
14:38<enouf>$ cut -d: -f1 < /etc/group | sort
14:39<cahoot>guntergunter: contemplating nfs or cifs?
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14:41<aaron>enouf, aaron dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev
14:43<enouf>aaron: i gotcha - so speaker-test works as well? only issue is mic in audacity? Adjust the preferences within audacity?
14:43<dpkg>methinks speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck>
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14:43<jthomas>Our print server (CUPS) stopped this morning and so someone decided to reboot it; now CUPS won't start, complaining that it cannot modprobe lp and ppdev (which are kernel drivers and load at boot, according to dmesg); after these error messages, '/etc/init.d/cupsd start' just hangs. Any ideas?
14:44<aaron>enouf, only issue is microphone.....the test does not work...sound recorder does not work and audacity does not work
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14:44<jthomas>aaron is the mic unmuted and turned up?
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14:44<aaron>jthomas, yes
14:44<jthomas>and the mic is plugged into the correct jack on the soundcard?
14:44<cahoot>aaron: on-board hda-intel thingie?
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14:45<enouf>heh - getent doesn't like full path to filename (database) it seems
14:45<enouf>cahoot: and jthomas i believe so - he posted this earlier
14:45<enouf>[13:47:50] <aaron> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
14:45<enouf>[13:47:50] <aaron> HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 22
14:46<aaron>enouf, There was a setting in Volume Control
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14:46<enouf>from /proc/asound/cards
14:46<aaron>enouf, it's working now
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14:46<enouf>!spank aaron
14:46*dpkg bends aaron over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
14:46<aaron>enouf, super thanks
14:46<aaron>enouf, I was in there volume control before thou and this time there were 4 tabs instead of 2
14:47<enouf>aaron: you mean within Audacity Config? or ...
14:47<enouf>aaron: or .. do you mean some Gnome Volume Control thingy?
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14:47<aaron>enouf, Volume Control 2.22.0 the applet
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14:48<enouf>ugh .. a gnome thingamajig!
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14:48<aaron>enouf, yes.....I wonder what step fixed the audio
14:49<enouf>aaron: i have no idea - i don't use gnome, nor know much about it - try gconf-editor for other config things too i guess - i only kknow about it what i already mentioned
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14:52<aaron>enouf, what is your windows manager?
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14:52<enouf>aaron: not sure :-P
14:52<stricken>hi can someone please tell me the command to open a program in terminal?
14:52<bcnspain>hi all
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14:53<aaron>gnome or kde?
14:53<Bushmills>stricken: program
14:53<stricken>Im needing to open pidgin i have it installed
14:53<enouf>aaron: changes all the time - and i don;t pay much attention to it
14:53<stew>stricken: the command is "pidgin'
14:53<bcnspain>can anyone tell me if there are distro for sony vaio laptops?
14:53<stricken>it doesnt work that is why im here im having abit of trouble
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14:53<stew>bcnspain: how about debian?
14:54<enouf>aaron: it was just that i'm unfamiliar with particular GUI and DE config settings/applets and crap
14:54<stricken>i forgot most commands
14:54<stricken>i havent been on a linux machine for some time now
14:54<Bushmills>stricken: pidgin is not a console app, it needs X
14:54<bcnspain>hi stew
14:54<stricken>ive used it before i just cant remember how to open it
14:54<Bushmills>(though you can start it from console, but output still needs X)
14:54<bcnspain>debian is the best
14:54<stricken>i lost alot of my memory in the past
14:55<bcnspain>you know if it works on a sony vaio NS11M/S?
14:55<Bushmills>stricken: avocados are good against failing memory
14:55*enouf offers some prunes
14:55<stricken>no i meen my own memory not the pc memory lol
14:55<Bushmills>stricken: i wouldn't think to offer avocados to the PC
14:56<stricken>so what i need to start with is just the command to open files/programs what i have installed
14:56<stew>stricken: i'm not sure what you are asking makes sense
14:57<stricken>im sorry for the way im explaining things
14:58<stricken>im trying to get back on track with the way things work,
14:58<Bushmills>stricken: almost. you'd also press the Enter key after typing in the program name
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14:58<stricken>im aware of that bushmills.
14:59<Bushmills>stricken: and you might want to explore the command completion feature of bash, by means of pressing the Tab key
14:59<stricken>i have pidgin installed somewhere, i remember using the apt-get install, but im not quite sure how to open the program
15:00<dr|z3d>stricken: If not on your menu, try "pidgin" from terminal
15:00<dr|z3d>That said, it _should_ be on your menu.
15:00<stricken>i tryed pidgin but it doesnt reconize the command
15:01<Bushmills>stricken: what version of debian is that?
15:01<stricken>what command to check i forgot
15:02<stricken>i know in windows its ver
15:02<dr|z3d>stricken: My guess is that it isn't installed then.
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15:02<dr|z3d>apt-get install pidgin
15:02<dr|z3d>See if it's installed..
15:02<stew>stricken: "dpkg -L packagename | grep bin" should tell you what commands you could run
15:02<stricken>i see the files already in my documents
15:02<Bushmills>stricken: grep debian /etc/apt/sources.list
15:02<dr|z3d>"pidgin" *is* the correct command.
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15:03<stricken>in Downloads folder i see the pidgin files there
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15:03<enouf>trollin trollin trollin
15:03<stricken>so i most have them installed already and i do remember vaugly using it
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15:04<stew>stricken: you installed it from source instead of installing it with apt?
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15:04<stricken>nope i remember using the apt-get install
15:04<stricken>and also update
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15:04<stew>stricken: what downloads folder are you talking about?
15:04<avtobiff>i have problems with an ssh connection, a fresh installation of lenny and the ssh connection is sluggish until it eventually hangs. what can be wrong here?
15:04<enouf>stricken: cat /etc/debian_version
15:05<stew>stricken: show us the output of "apt-cache policy pidgin" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
15:05<stricken>debian version 4.0
15:06<enouf>avtobiff: so it does work at first then gets slow over time? or is it that login is taking a long time?
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15:07<stricken>unable to locate package pidgin, so to me its saying its not installed but why do i see the files in Home > Downloads
15:07<avtobiff>enouf, login isn't slow. it gets slower over time and eventually hangs
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15:07<stew>stricken: becuase you downloaded a copy of pidgin
15:07<avtobiff>enouf, and opening nano or vim hangs the connection either for some seconds or totally
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15:07<stricken>ive used it before i dont remember deleting any part of it
15:08<stew>stricken: we'd recommend installing it with aptitude, but since it is not available in 4.0, you'd have to use the older 'gaim' or get pidgin from /msg dpkg bpo
15:08<stew>stricken: how did you install it?
15:08<stricken>via terminal
15:08<stricken>edited the sources.list
15:08<stew>stricken: show us the output of "apt-cache policy pidgin" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
15:09<avtobiff>enouf, any idea?
15:09<stew>stricken: also the output of "apt-cache policy"
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15:09<avtobiff>enouf, also, it is possible to do an aptitude safe-upgrade with about 1 MB/s
15:09<enouf>avtobiff: no .. sorry .. would using ssh -vvv help at all? can you capture the connection packets using tcpdump and then investigate?
15:10<stricken>could you also remind how to use pastebin so i can show you?
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15:10<stew>stricken: go to it should be pretty self explanitory
15:10<stricken>i had an accident that removed alot of my memory which i have to start all over with most things
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15:10<avtobiff>enouf, i bet i could yes
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15:12<avtobiff>enouf, do you have any nifty options that i should use with tcpdump
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15:14<stew>stricken: so pidgin isn't installed
15:14<stew>stricken: we'd recommend installing it with aptitude, but since it is not available in 4.0, you'd have to use the older 'gaim' or get pidgin from /msg dpkg bpo
15:14<stricken>thanks im just abit confused why they is pidgin files in my computer if it isnt installed
15:14<enouf>avtobiff: could try; tcpdump -w /tmp/tcpdump.cap -i eth0 or similar
15:15<avtobiff>enouf, on my client machine?
15:15<enouf>avtobiff: yes
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15:15<enouf>avtobiff: are you using X11Forwarding?
15:15<stew>stricken: becuase you downloaded pidgin
15:15<avtobiff>enouf, no
15:15<stew>stricken: becuase you downloaded pidgin, but you didn't install pidgin
15:16<stricken>ok thanks
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15:18<LL10>hum vsftpd for lenny is not support fizella 3.1.x yet?
15:18<enouf>avtobiff: you could also try enabling compression and changing the cipher anyway ssh -c arcfour,blowfish-cbc -C or similar - what other services are running? as root; lsof -i -n and netstat -tunap - also might install/use something like iftop to monitor speed/iface
15:18<dpkg>well, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as and ...
15:19<avtobiff>enouf, hmm... it seems that md1_raid5 uses ~35% CPU and md1_resync uses ~15% CPU. should i be worried?
15:19<avtobiff>in the ssh traffic i get a lot of [TCP Previous segment lost]
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15:22<Zathras>Hi. Anyone with any insights on the issue with libjdom-java ?
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15:23<dpkg>from memory, oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at or apt repository at
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15:24<Guest338>does debian have a restricted repository ? similar to ubuntu restricted
15:24<stew>Guest338: debian has a non-free repository, i don't know if that is the same thing: /msg dpkg non-free
15:24<Zathras>restricted in what sense?
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15:25<Guest338>restricted as in non-free
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15:25<Guest338>having issues with my dell laptop and it's wireless card.
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15:27<Zathras>checkout it's chipset (lspci -vvv will give a clue). probably there are opensource drivers for it
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15:27<enouf>avtobiff: ouch - i wonder if there are some checksumming issues? this is beyond my scope of knowledge though
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15:27<avtobiff>enouf, would renicing help?
15:28<Guest338>it's a broadcom 4318 which i knew already
15:28<enouf>avtobiff: well .. depends what you renice, and why ;-)
15:28<avtobiff>enouf, md1_raid5 and md1_resync. both have -5 and takes a lot of CPU
15:28<Bushmills>avtobiff: try to mtr the host, see whether there's packet loss
15:29<enouf>avtobiff: check out ionice as well - vmstat and even iotop - if you have multicore CPU, cjeckout the schedutils pkg and taskset
15:29<LL10>someone can help me
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15:29<avtobiff>Bushmills, mtr?
15:29<LL10>it's vsftpd 2.0.7
15:29<enouf>Bushmills: good thought - i wonder if bing might even help
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15:29<avtobiff>Bushmills, no packet loss so far
15:30<avtobiff>enouf, a lot of good tips for not having a clue :)
15:30<enouf>avtobiff: ethtool is used to inquire about your link, and NIC status and such
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15:30<enouf>avtobiff: heh
15:30<Zathras>Guest3138, from 2.6.17 (so I read) there is a kernel driver for bcm43xx or you can use the alternative (yuck): nsdiswrapper
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15:31<enouf>avtobiff: but it appeared since aptitude was d/l at full speed, it wasn't an iface issue?
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15:31<avtobiff>when i run dmesg it hangs
15:31<avtobiff>enouf, no. i don't think so.
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15:31*enouf needs to step away for a bit - bbl
15:31<avtobiff>if i run dmesg over ssh something hangs
15:31<valdyn>Guest338: you just miss firmware?
15:31<valdyn>Guest338: dmesg would tell you about that
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15:33<hahnp>avtobiff, you can check your /var/log/syslog
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15:33<hahnp>for errors?!
15:33<Zathras>no-one on the triple packages of libjdom-java ?
15:34<valdyn>avtobiff: which type of harddisks is that raid5?
15:34<avtobiff>valdyn, western digital 1 TB
15:34<valdyn>avtobiff: and how many?
15:34<valdyn>avtobiff: sata?
15:34<avtobiff>valdyn, yes.
15:34<avtobiff>you seem to be on to something
15:34<valdyn>avtobiff: 35% cpu is a little much then
15:34<avtobiff>valdyn, i would say
15:35<valdyn>avtobiff: which driver for your sata interface?
15:35<avtobiff>valdyn, sd_mod?
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15:35<valdyn>avtobiff: that is not a hardware driver
15:36<avtobiff>i don't know which are...
15:36<valdyn>avtobiff: neither
15:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:36<valdyn>avtobiff: paste the output of lsmod
15:36<avtobiff>valdyn, can't get it to load over the ssh line :(
15:36<avtobiff>ssh hangs if i run lsmod
15:36<avtobiff>or dmesg
15:36<valdyn>avtobiff: uh
15:37<valdyn>avtobiff: sounds like serious issues
15:37<valdyn>avtobiff: run "LC_ALL=C lsmod"
15:37<valdyn>avtobiff: let me know if that one does not hang
15:37<avtobiff>it hangs as well
15:37<avtobiff>time for a memtest?
15:37<valdyn>avtobiff: you need to reboot
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15:38<Solver>box remote?
15:38<Solver>oh good
15:38<avtobiff>but it stands in a cupboard
15:38<valdyn>avtobiff: "shutdown -r now"
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15:38<Solver>I rarely endorse shutdown -r now" but I'm going with valdyn
15:38<avtobiff>valdyn, i know my way around :)
15:39<valdyn>avtobiff: ok
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15:39<avtobiff>valdyn, also, lsmod runs fine on the box, locally
15:39<avtobiff>but over ssh it is a no go
15:39*Solver gives at least a 1 minute warning except in an emergency
15:39<valdyn>avtobiff: its got to be some locale issue
15:39<avtobiff>valdyn, how?
15:39<valdyn>avtobiff: i doubt it really hangs, you should try "reset" followed by enter in that ssh session
15:39<Solver>what about ls -l ?
15:40<Solver>sometimes network fragmentation will hang an ssh session
15:40<avtobiff>valdyn, and why should that put md1_{raid5|resync} to ~45% CPU in total?
15:40<valdyn>avtobiff: a character being a control sequence instead of a visible character on the other side
15:40<Guest338>valdyn, whats dmsg ? not familar
15:40<Solver>so do: ls -lR / as root to generate output
15:40<valdyn>avtobiff: that would not
15:40<valdyn>Guest338: "dmesg" shows you the kernel log ring buffer
15:40<avtobiff>valdyn, i run en_us.utf-8 at both sides
15:41<valdyn>avtobiff: network bug then
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15:41<valdyn>avtobiff: cheap router in between?
15:41<Solver>see if the hang only occurs with lots of output
15:41<avtobiff>valdyn, a switch in between
15:41<avtobiff>valdyn, everything else works.
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15:41<valdyn>avtobiff: what is "everything else" ?
15:41<avtobiff>valdyn, i could do aptitude safe-upgrade with 1 MB/s
15:41<Guest341>I've RTFM, tweaked "xorg.conf" and still my monitor will not display at correct resolution. I haven't had this problem with *buntu. Any suggestions on where to look?
15:42<avtobiff>valdyn, every other computer and/or embedded system in the house
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15:42<valdyn>avtobiff: i see
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15:42<avtobiff>i'll check if i have a crossed tp somewhere and if the problem persists with that
15:42<cahoot>Guest341: xrandr -q doesn't list one agreeable?
15:43<Guest341>xrandr -q ?
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15:44<Guest341>does not...
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15:44<valdyn>Guest341: do you understand what modelines are ?
15:45<Guest341>need 1680x1050 (detected!) but not available..
15:45<Guest341>no. I can google that and return, though...
15:45<valdyn>Guest341: no, hold on
15:46<valdyn>Guest341: you can see modes and reasons why they are not used in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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15:46<Guest341>checking /var/log.xorg.0.log brb
15:46<LL10>someoen tell me to do that
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15:47<LL10><jMCg> Usually you would apt-get source vsftpd; wget latest version of vsftpd-source.tar.gz; tar xf vsftpd-2.0.7.tar.gz ; cd vsftpd-2.0.7; patch -p1 ../debian-patch-set; $EDITOR debian/changelog; fakeroot debian/rules binary
15:47<valdyn>LL10: that line has error(s)
15:47<LL10>I don't understand patch -p1 ../debian-patch-set part
15:47<LL10>what I should write for this
15:48<LL10>I want to compile vsftpd 2.0.7
15:48<LL10>and I got this error
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15:48<valdyn>LL10: debian distributes its "source packages" as upstream source + a diff file representing changes made by debian. ( Follow me? )
15:49<valdyn>LL10: now jMBCg wants you to apply those changes to vsftpd-2.0.7 and then build a package from that
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15:50<avtobiff>valdyn, update. it worked fine running just "dmesg" with a crossover cable
15:50<Guest341>found the modelines in /var/log.xorg.0.log
15:50<LL10>so I need to write something like that patch -p1 ../vsftpd-2.0.6 ?
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15:50<avtobiff>probably something in between the computer and my then...
15:50<valdyn>LL10: those changes are 1) patches to the software itself and 2) the debian directory that you need to build a debian package
15:50<LL10>I don't know how to patch it
15:51<LL10>I got 2.06 from debsian src
15:51<valdyn>LL10: when you do "apt-get source vsftpd" then you will get a file.diff.gz
15:51<LL10>oh ok
15:51<LL10>this one
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15:51<LL10>so patch -p1 ../vsftpd_2.0.6-1.2.diff.gz ?
15:51<valdyn>LL10: his patch line is where an error is though, its "zcat file.diff.gz | patch -p1"
15:51<Guest341>but there is no modeline for the resolution I need, although my monitor is correctly detected...
15:52<valdyn>LL10: no, patch only takes piped input
15:52<valdyn>LL10: so patch -p1 < file.diff, but its gzipped so zcat .... etc
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15:52<valdyn>Guest341: so Xorg.0.log is not even showing the mode you want at all?
15:53<LL10>so it's zcat ../vsftpd_2.0.6-1.2.diff.gz | patch -p1
15:53<LL10> ?
15:53<valdyn>LL10: yea
15:53<LL10>oh done
15:53<LL10>what next?
15:53<avtobiff>valdyn, the cable is borked :(
15:53<valdyn>LL10: what he told you, you dont need to but you probably should update the changelog
15:53<avtobiff>valdyn, it works perfectly with another cable.
15:53<valdyn>avtobiff: ah, nice
15:53<avtobiff>valdyn, thanks for your assistance
15:53<Guest341>No, the mode I need is not listed (1680x1050) but it is listed in xorg.config...
15:54<avtobiff>valdyn, well. somewhat yes :)
15:54<avtobiff>valdyn, now we'll just have to make another cable :)
15:54<valdyn>Guest341: xorg.conf could be wrong too, show us, use a paste site
15:54<avtobiff>enouf Bushmills, thanks for your input as well
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15:55<Guest341>paste entire xorg.cong?
15:55<valdyn>Guest341: on a paste site
15:55<LL10>valdyn, so I vim debian/changelog and add new top line with "vsftpd (2.0.7) unstable; urgency=low
15:56<valdyn>LL10: i would call it vsftpd (2.0.7-valdyn)
15:56<valdyn>LL10: but whatever you want
15:56<LL10>ok done
15:56<LL10>what next
15:56<valdyn>LL10: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
15:57<valdyn>LL10: ( i dont remember if you dont need to fix some control file too, lets see...)
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15:58<valdyn>Guest341: same for Xorg.0.log please
15:59<Guest341>whole thing?
15:59<valdyn>Guest341: yea
15:59<valdyn>Guest341: fixing your issue just from here is just more work than might be necessary
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16:01<LL10>valdyn, I got this error
16:01<LL10>parsechangelog/debian: warning: debian/changelog(l258): found eof where expected first heading
16:01<valdyn>LL10: you made a mistake editing the changelog
16:01<Guest341>sorry having trouble selecting all...using nano...
16:02<valdyn>!paste withoutx
16:02<Guest341>yea, I understand...
16:02<dpkg>withoutx: put your output on so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
16:02<dpkg>well, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about ...
16:03<LL10>valdyn, now
16:03<LL10>dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
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16:03<valdyn>LL10: you should see which depend is unsatisfied
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16:03<LL10>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs debhelper (>= 4.2.0) libpam0g-dev libcap-dev libwrap0-dev libssl-dev quilt (>= 0.40
16:03<LL10>this line
16:03<valdyn>LL10: but
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16:03<valdyn>LL10: you should have run "apt-get build-dep vsftpd" anyway
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16:05<LL10>Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage line 475.
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16:05<valdyn>LL10: chmod +x debian/rules
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16:05<valdyn>LL10: i remember that one, yea
16:05<LL10>oups show I remove vsftpd 1st?
16:06<valdyn>LL10: no
16:06<s_i_m>LL10, valdyn next time better use uscan + uupdate. vsftpd package has proper watch file.
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16:06<valdyn>s_i_m: neat, i dont know about those tools
16:06<s_i_m>no need to do so many things by hands
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16:07<LL10>compiling compiling :)
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16:07<LL10>dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file <-- I don't care about this warning?
16:07<valdyn>LL10: right
16:07<LL10>what now?
16:08<LL10>is it done?
16:08<valdyn>LL10: looks like it
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16:08<s_i_m>valdyn, install devscripts
16:08<valdyn>s_i_m: got them, im looking at the manpages
16:08<LL10>but # vsftpd -v
16:08<LL10>vsftpd: version 2.0.6
16:09<loz>Please PleasePlease help me from hanging myself with my Ethernet cable, S.O.S, i am trying to install a wifi card, i was told by the vendor that it was plug and play, it is a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185, i have installed the latest ubuntu, and my card is recognized, but does not work at all, any savior would be apreciated...
16:09<valdyn>LL10: you created to .deb files, you didnt install them yet
16:09<LL10>where is the .deb files?
16:09<valdyn>LL10: ../
16:10<LL10>ok yeah
16:10<loz>I have googled the problem, and read every post, but to no avail
16:10<LL10>so I dpkg -i vsftpd_2.0.7_i386.deb ?
16:10<s_i_m>LL10, valdyn, btw I think you forgot to change the version in debian/changelog
16:10<Guest341>valdyn: having a bit of trouble, getting frustrated. Is there a site your might direct me to? learn about modeline?
16:10<LL10>should I remove vsftpd 2.0.6 installed 1st?
16:11<valdyn>LL10: no
16:11<LL10>ok so I dpkg -i
16:11<loz>Please PleasePlease help me from hanging myself with my Ethernet cable, S.O.S, i am trying to install a wifi card, i was told by the vendor that it was plug and play, it is a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185, i have installed the latest ubuntu, and my card is recognized, but does not work at all, any savior would be apreciated...
16:11<loz>I have googled the problem, and read every post, but to no avail
16:11<valdyn>Guest341: nah, its not that hard
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16:11<valdyn>Guest341: but seeing the log could have cut this shorter
16:11<LL10># vsftpd -v
16:11<LL10>vsftpd: version 2.0.7
16:12<LL10>thank you valdyn
16:12<valdyn>Guest341: you need to make sure that 1) such mode is found 2) driver thinks that monitor is capable of that mode
16:12<loz>woopppsie, sorry guys
16:12<valdyn>Guest341: monitor specs can be overriden as documented in man xorg.conf, Monitor Section
16:12<valdyn>Guest341: and modelines can be generated using "videogen" if no such mode is "found"
16:12<LL10>lol good filezilla 3.1 works with vsftpd ftps mode :)
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16:13<stephan>Hi, I'm using a Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E. It has been fine for ages, but since updating to a new kernel today (linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-11) it isn't working. I'm using Debian Lenny.
16:13<dr|z3d>stephan: Time to step down to your previous kernel, perhaps.
16:13<stephan>It's at a hosting company, they're giving me IP KVM access tomorrow so I can check it out fully, but has anyone had any problems with this latest kernel?
16:14<valdyn>Guest341: assumed or found monitor specs are in the log file, just aswell as assumed or found modes
16:14<stephan>Yeah, they rebooted my server and put me onto the last one I had, which is actually from Etch and needs kernel modules for the network card
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16:15<valdyn>stephan: how do you know its "not working" ?
16:15<stephan>It's pretty annoying :-( Could it be that with this latest kernel (which I just updated to for bugfixes + security reasons), the support for my card was accidently not included, or is that quite unlikely?
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16:15<Guest341>The correct monitor is shown in both the log and the xorg.config file but not the correct mode. I'll run videogen as root, then?
16:15<valdyn>Guest341: no
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16:15<valdyn>Guest341: videogen as a user, you give it monitor specs, it does not "detect" anything
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16:16<stephan>I don't unfortunately. It wasnt pingable though. I asked the guy (remote hands) to look, he didn't seem sure and rebooted into the previous kernel. I do see messages that seem new though - "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" and "r8169: eth0: link up" are repeated quite a bit
16:16<valdyn>Guest341: and adding a Modeline is also documented in man xorg.conf
16:16<kingsley>Why would outbound ping and ssh fail on a newly installed box, when inbounds work, and DNS works?
16:16<Guest341>man videogen. brb
16:16<valdyn>stephan: that just means that the cabling is bad
16:16<stephan>Checking back in the logs, I don't see anything else like that from before the kernel update. "eth0 : link up" kind of suggests it is working somewhat though
16:16<valdyn>stephan: but if its not to bad its probably not a big deal
16:17<Guest341>gonna read man xorg.conf
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16:17<stephan>Ah yeah, that's good thinking. So it might just be up/down/up/down due to a loose cable? It does explain why it worked with pretty-much the same kernel before (same version number anyway)
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16:18<stephan>I guess I'll ask him to replace the cable then, connect up the remote KVM thing and I'll come back here and bug you all tomorrow :-)
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16:18<valdyn>stephan: those watchdog messages should be visible easily to whoever is messing around with it
16:19<valdyn>stephan: just to diagnose...
16:19<stephan>I have the last kernel image in /var/cache/apt/archives so could possibly reinstall the last kernel
16:19<Guest341>thanks valdyn...gonna do some reading! Thanks!!!!
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16:19<stephan>They would appear on the actual screen perhaps valdyn? Hmm. He never said...
16:20<stephan>Well, I guess I'll see tomorrow when I have proper access. Thanks for the tips.
16:20<valdyn>stephan: by default, if hes in a virtual console, yes
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16:20<valdyn>stephan: if im wrong, then tail -f /var/log/kern.log would show it too...
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16:22<Andrea__>Hello fxiny!
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16:23<stephan>Just before I go, is "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" a pretty generic error that could happen in lots of situations, or is it quite often a bad cable?
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16:24<stephan>They did have some kind of power incident (no details yet), so I wonder if they might have been physically round the back of the rack doing stuff
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16:25<valdyn>stephan: its always a hardware issue
16:25<stephan>Excellent :-) Well I feel much better about this now. I was pretty annoyed earlier on, it was so frustrating
16:25<stephan>Thanks again.
16:25<valdyn>stephan: cable or switch or the outside facing part of the nic..
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16:26<valdyn>stephan: ethernet failure.
16:28<randomcake>Hi, I just installed Debian and am trying to install 'ipw3945-modules' so I can use my Intel wireless card, but the package doesn't seem to exist, I've added the repositories and they don't seem to have the packages mentioned in tutorials :S (but the tutorials all seem to be old), what do I need to do?
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16:31<chealer>randomcake: which Debian suite did you install?
16:32<randomcake>unstable chealer
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16:34<chealer>randomcake: if you don't mind, you may want to reinstall another suite, either stable or testing. unstable is for people who know Debian well.
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16:40<randomcake>oh, hang on chealer, it must be testing then! lol
16:40<chealer>randomcake: OK. what is your Intel wireless card?
16:41<randomcake>just double checking, don't want to give the wrong info again!
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16:43<randomcake>an Intel® Pro Wireless 3945 802.11A/B/
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16:45<chealer>randomcake: a driver for this card was integrated in vanilla Linux since Etch was released. you don't need to install out-of-tree LKMs to use this card now. you only need a firmware.
16:45<chealer>!tell randomcake about ipw3945
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16:51<standalf>can you give me an advice where to get fireglx?
16:51<standalf>it should help my ATI graphic card
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16:54<randomcake>okay, thanks chealer, clears things up a lot! Giving it another shot now :)
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16:55<chealer>!tell standalf about fglrx
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16:56<standalf>apt-get tells me some of them cannot be installed :/
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16:58<standalf>Závisí na: xserver-xorg-video-r128 but cannot be installed
16:58<standalf>Závisí na: xserver-xorg-video-mach64 but cannot be installed Závisí na: xserver-xorg-video-radeon but cannot be installed
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16:59<standalf>if I try to install individually, it tells me that it doesn't have any candidate
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17:00<standalf>don't you know what's the problem? I tried even -f parameter...
17:00<chealer>!lozalized errors
17:00<chealer>!localized errors
17:00<dpkg>rumour has it, localized errors is it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else. LANG=C command
17:00<dr|z3d>What's the recommended ftp server these days? proftpd seems to be out of favor.
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17:00<standalf>I translated to EN :/
17:01<standalf>ah, zavisi na: = depends on... I forgot
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17:01<dr|z3d>pureftpd pass muster?
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17:04<randomcake>chealer, I think I'm doing something really stupidly wrong, I'm guessing I've somehow mis-understood the repository entries needed, can you confirm?: sorry to be such a noob...
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17:06<barnes>drz3d whats wrong with proftpd?
17:07<dr|z3d>barnes: Someone in here suggested it wasn't up to scratch. No longer maintained or something.
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17:08<barnes>its still in lenny so I assume its maintained
17:08<chealer>randomcake: "deb lenny main contrib" contains 4 "fields", "deb" (binary APT source), the repository URL, "lenny" (suite) and "main contrib" (components). The components is a set. you don't need several entries with the first 3 fields as you have on lines 3 and 4. merge this in a one line with a components set of "main contrib non-free".
17:09<chealer>randomcake: you'll want the same components for lenny/updates as for lenny.
17:09<barnes>dr|z3d latest version is 1.3.2rc3 released 20nov2008
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17:12<barnes>dr|z3d i have proftpd-mod-mysql running here works fine otherwise i whould use vsftpd
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17:16<debacle>Hi all, can anyone help me please ? i'm trying to build a driver for a SATA controller. I've downloaded the TGZ file but thereis no configure in it ...
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17:17<debacle>if i simply run make i got this error: make: *** No targets. Stop.
17:17<barnes>debacle read the readme file and install
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17:17<debacle>the readme file says nothing about building
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17:18<debacle>if you do not trust me :
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17:18<debacle>also no install file in tgz
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17:19<debacle>barnes: may you help me please ?
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17:22<barnes>sry need to go to bed check the homepage
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17:23<debacle>barnes: thanks anyway
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17:24<debacle>is there any one can help me plaese ?
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17:27<adama>debacle: do "make all"
17:27<debacle>already tryed make all
17:27<debacle>make: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop.
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17:28<debacle>adama: anyway makefile contains something ... i'm not a linux devel expert so i can't understand what to do ... and the README file says nothing about building
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17:30<adama>hmm it looks like this is too old to build on modern kernel
17:30<adama>it's talking about GCC v.2.96 ???
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17:32<debacle>adama: and ... so ... what sould i do ? i 've bought this card a week ago ...
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17:32<stew>debacle: what is wrong with the aacraid driver that is already in the kenrel?
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17:32<adama>what card is it? is it not working?
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17:32<starnull>hi. is there a way to use the rescue mode of the installer to install grub?
17:33<debacle>adama: the car is adaptec AAR-2410SA
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17:34<adama>that should "just work" on newer Linux
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17:35<debacle>adama : excuse how can i check if it's working
17:35<stew>debacle: the debian kernels alreaday come with a aacraid driver. have you tried this driver?
17:35<adama>plug drives into it, and see if something like "ls -l /dev/sd* " shows the drives
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17:37<debacle>adama: yes ... sdb1/sdb5 ... and so on ...
17:38<debacle>adama: so is it already working ?
17:39<debacle>adama: sorry, sdb ir the master internal RAID ... i should see as sdc
17:39<debacle>adama: sorry, sdb is the master internal RAID ... i should see as sdc
17:39<debacle>adama: and no sdc deices are found
17:40<debacle>they support only redhar and similar distros
17:41<adama>well I don't know how your drives are set up, you could mount any unmounted partitions and see if they have what you want on them
17:43<debacle>adama: i can not unmount any drives because drives are part of a raid5 set
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17:43<debacle>on the adaptec card there are 4 1TB new disks
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17:48<seanius>debacle: what exactly is the problem?
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17:50<dr|z3d>barnes: I think stew is the fear mongerer, if memory serves me right (unlikely).
17:50*dr|z3d chuckles.
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17:51<gravity>beer mongerer may be more accurate, if memory serves
17:51<stew>beer nomnomnommer
17:52<stew>oh, proftpd? i'm not the one, though its not had the best history
17:52<debacle>seanius: i've installed a new raid adaptec card and i cant say if it's working
17:53<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
17:53<valdyn>!which driver
17:53<dpkg>i guess driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
17:53<valdyn>debacle: tried ^^^ ?
17:53<valdyn>debacle: or do you already know that theres no driver in mainline kernels?
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17:54<debacle>valdyn: not done. Just a second and i'll post results !
17:54<_phoenix_>how do i start perl in apache?
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17:56<seanius>debacle: ideally you should only see one disk, assuming you have the disks configured that way
17:56<seanius>debacle: though from my experience there has been a few cases where the raid card would show both the physical disks and the logical disk
17:57<_phoenix_>how do i start perl in apache?
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17:59<_phoenix_>HELLO?!? ANYONE HERE???
17:59<stew>_phoenix_: why does perl need to be 'started'? do you just mean enable mod-perl perhaps? what exactly are you tryingo to do?
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18:00<_phoenix_>cause i wanna use per-scrips with my apache server
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18:01<stew>_phoenix_: do you intend to run them as a cgi or with mod-perl?
18:01<_phoenix_>i am makeing a homepage and so i wanna make a guest book with perl
18:01<stew>_phoenix_: if you just want to run them as a cgi, you need to enable ExecCGI
18:02<_phoenix_>i would aprichiate mod-perl more
18:02*gravity wonders if it's the late 90's again
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18:03<stew>_phoenix_: mod-perl is in the libapache2-mod-perl2 package
18:04<debacle>seanius: ok the card seems to be supported by the 2.6.25 kernel (i'm using 2.6.26 lenny/testing).
18:04<debacle>seanius: the card is Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA and it uses aacraid driver
18:04<_phoenix_>stew what i have already installed
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18:05<stew>_phoenix_: "a2enmod perl" to enable it, if you ahven't already
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18:06<_phoenix_>i havent but it was automaticaly
18:06<_phoenix_>may i am too stupid to write a perl script
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18:07<debacle>now: how can i know if it's working ? i can't see any sdg disk and (from sda to sdf are already in use).
18:07<_phoenix_>i have to save it as /var/www/ do i?
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18:08<_phoenix_>i have to save it as /var/www/ do i?
18:09<_phoenix_>i have to save it as /var/www/ do i? stew
18:09<valdyn>debacle: dmesg
18:09<valdyn>debacle: /sys
18:09<valdyn>debacle: or just lsmod
18:09<debacle>valdyn : ok . just a sec please
18:10<stew>_phoenix_: i don't know, i've only run perl scripts as cgi
18:11<debacle>valdyn: scsi_mod 160760 6 sg,sr_mod,usb_storage,sd_mod,libata,aacraid
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18:11<_phoenix_>stew how do i that?
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18:14<_phoenix_>thats exactly that side i had already open by googeling - . -
18:14<_phoenix_>now i have it open twice and no idea how i can enable perl...
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18:17<valdyn>debacle: looks like 6 disks are on that aacraid?
18:17<valdyn>debacle: err nm
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18:17<gravity>_phoenix_: There's a zillion tutorials for doing CGI with perl
18:17<_phoenix_>stew ?
18:17<gravity>Try "the internet"
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18:17<_phoenix_>philipp@hufi-laptop:/var/www$ ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/
18:17<_phoenix_>bash: ScriptAlias: command not found
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18:18<kristianpaul>hi all
18:18<debacle>valdyn: the first raid (already working has 6 disk the second (new) adaptec has 4 disks
18:18<valdyn>debacle: same driver?
18:18<kristianpaul>i running debian lenny, but i cant see international clock on the gnome-desktop, any idea?
18:18<_phoenix_>bash: ScriptAlias: command not found
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18:19<stew>_phoenix_: ScriptAlias is an apache directive, not a command youd type into a shell
18:19<valdyn>debacle: what is driving the other adapter?
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18:19<debacle>i do not know the fisrst (6 disks) a mainboard raid
18:19<_phoenix_>stew so where do i have to enter it?
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18:20<randomcake>chealer, I've sorted it, and it looks like the package I wanted was in fact firmware-iwlwifi
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18:20<valdyn>debacle: paste dmesg output on a paste site
18:21<stew>_phoenix_: it would be recommended that you add it to a virtual host in a file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ; but do you really have a /usr/local/apache2 directory?
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18:22<_phoenix_>i have
18:22<LL00>hum during debian installation how I can setup to use my apt-catcher server?
18:22<debacle>valdyn: here is dmsg output and lshw output
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18:23<LL00>during mirroir setup? I write my apt-cacher ip?
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18:24<valdyn>debacle: driver found 4 x ST310003 40AS, thats ok?
18:24<LL00>hum I don't think it's for apt-cacher
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18:24<debacle>valdyn: look at line 11007 ... it seems recognized
18:24<debacle>valdyn: yes !
18:25<_phoenix_>stew that?
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18:26<debacle>valdyn: so it's working ! and may i ask how can i format tath disks ? on wich dev can i found them ?
18:26<_phoenix_>why is it sooooooo much harder to enable perl as enable php?
18:26<valdyn>debacle: its finding all your 10 generic scsi devices
18:27<valdyn>debacle: but theres nothing set up on your raid controller, so its not showing any disks
18:27<valdyn>debacle: maybe use: dpt-i2o-raidutils - Adaptec I2O hardware RAID management utilities
18:27<stew>_phoenix_: its no different at all
18:29<_phoenix_>stew? what????? when i enabled php it was done in 5 min and now i try desperately to activate perl since more than 2 hours
18:29<_phoenix_>so how do i have?
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18:33<stew>_phoenix_: when you installed apache, it was already ready to run perl cgi scripts (or php cgi scripts, or cgi scripts writin in C / bash or whatever) out of /usr/lib/cgi without you having to modify anything. you also enabled both mod-php and mod-perl to be run by installing libapache2-mod-php5 and libapache2-mod-perl2 packages
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18:34<_phoenix_>so it sould already run?
18:34<debacle>valdyn: with your help i can say controller is recognized by linux. and this is the first point. Now it too late , i have to go sleep ... but firs of going to bed i HAVE TO SEND YOU A MILLION OF THANKS for you help.
18:34<stew>_phoenix_: what is "it", how are you trying to run "it"?
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18:36<debacle>valdyn: thank you again to you and all the people in the irc helpied me !
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18:37<ansgar>_phoenix_: Maybe continue reading the tutorial you found?
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18:38<_phoenix_>yea... youre right... thats only 2 hours to read for something that should run automaticaly
18:39<stew>_phoenix_: you need to configure your apache to somehow know that is a script that is allowed to be executed as a cgi, either with ScriptAlias or ExecCGI
18:39<stew>_phoenix_: no, it should not run automatically
18:39*D1ablo is slave to the machine !
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18:40<stew>_phoenix_: it would not be a good idea to have apache come ready to automatically execute any script anywhere on your machine
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18:45<_phoenix_>stew ok lets try to find the problem
18:45<_phoenix_>a2enmod perl is running
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18:46<_phoenix_>so it should acept perl right?
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18:48<stew>_phoenix_: as I said, i've never used mod_perl, i find it unnecessary since perl scripts can easily be executed as CGI (if you enable ExecCGI for the directory containing the script, or enable it with something like mod_rewrite)
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18:48<stew>_phoenix_: the url i gave you explains ExecCGI
18:49<_phoenix_>stew yes PLENTY of explains...
18:50<stew>_phoenix_: ok, so did you somehow enable ExecCGI for this script? or are you still intending to use mod_perl?
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18:51<_phoenix_>guess i take execgi
18:51<_phoenix_>i dont realy care about the way as long as it work
18:52<ansgar>_phoenix_: Save your script as /usr/lib/cgi-bin/whatever and use http://localhost/cgi-bin/whatever
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18:52<ansgar>-> no extra configuration required at all.
18:55<_phoenix_>The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
18:56<stew>_phoenix_: check the error log for a more specific error
18:56<_phoenix_>no i am done
18:56<_phoenix_>i go to bed
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18:59*gravity is amazed at stew's patience
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18:59*ansgar as well :_)
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19:00*D1ablo no clue
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19:02<D1ablo>valdyn> ewww
19:03<D1ablo>scsi0 : LSI Logic MegaRAID D 254 ........ 16 ...±. 5 ..... 7 ....
19:04<D1ablo>scsi0: scanning scsi channel 0 for logical drives.
19:05<D1ablo>scsi0: scanning scsi channel 4 [P0] for physical devices.
19:05<D1ablo>seems linux always scan for logical and physical drives
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19:12<echostorm>hey guys, I am running kde for the first time....ever (lenny) and I was wondering if there were any special repositories i should enable ... I previously used ubuntu, so i am a little perplexed as to the correct repositories for things like flash, totem-xine etc. google is suprisingly not helping, theres alot of outdated info
19:12<themill>dpkg: tell echostorm about dmm
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19:13<D1ablo>echostorm > why kde??
19:14<echostorm>I figured id try something different. See how the other half lives
19:14<D1ablo>gnome is faster and more reliable and is a slim jim
19:14<themill>D1ablo: hardly.
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19:14<echostorm>a slim jim?
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19:15<kingsley>When a system has more than one network interface, how does dnsmask know which IP address to give out for itself?
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19:16<D1ablo>kingsly> ip's is allocated by dhcp server or manually
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19:18<echostorm>cool dmm setup without a hitch :)
19:19*D1ablo has 4 nics in one pc :-)
19:20<kingsley>D1ablo: Does your computer have a DNS server?
19:20<D1ablo>dns cache
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19:21<D1ablo>thats my main internet router
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19:22<kingsley>D1ablo: How does your 4 nic computer know which of its four IP addresses to give out when someone asks its DNS server for its address?
19:23<D1ablo>every nic is on different subnet
19:24<D1ablo>when you run the service you tell it to listen on the ip number you give
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19:25<D1ablo>red (internet)
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19:25<D1ablo>green (lan)
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19:25<D1ablo>blue (wifi)
19:25<D1ablo>orange (dmz)
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19:26<echostorm>that sounds exceedingly complicated
19:27<kingsley>D1ablo: Is my understanding correct that your DNS server is configured to give out different IP addresses for itself to different subnets?
19:27<echostorm>but its probably more fun to set up than constantly switching os's
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19:28<D1ablo>kingsley > yep
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19:28<D1ablo>dns server doesn't give ips though dhcp does
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19:29<D1ablo>kingsley> you do know what dns does?
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19:30<kingsley>D1ablo: Yes. Thanks.
19:30*abrotman wonders about this DNS thing
19:30<stew>D1ablo: when he said "gives out different ip address" he means "translates a given name to a different ip address..."
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19:31<D1ablo>stew> there's a big difference :-)
19:31<stew>D1ablo: no, there isn't
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19:31<stew>D1ablo: i'm telling you that in this case they are both meant to mean the exact same thing
19:31<D1ablo>stew> not in my brain !
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19:32<D1ablo>it doesn't matter what he does he has to cache the list from somewhere or make his own
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19:33<D1ablo>hosts will be of binifit if the list is small
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19:34*D1ablo dislexic
19:34<LL00>after installed xserver-xorg-video-vmware, how I launch Xorg ?I don't find startx or xinit
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19:35<gravity>LL00: You need the xorg package
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19:35<gravity>LL00: -vmware is just the driver
19:36<upsy>LL00: install xinit
19:36<LL00>this one?
19:36<gravity>LL00: No, xorg
19:37<LL00>is it possible to laucnh X without xinit?
19:37<gravity>But there's a reason why startx exists, so you should use it
19:37<gravity>Again, you should install xorg
19:38<LL00>hehe xorg crashed :)
19:38<D1ablo>good for you :-)
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19:39<D1ablo>lloo> you have pluged a mouse?
19:39<LL00>I run startx as user right?
19:39<LL00>not with root
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19:40<D1ablo>lloo>what the crash message say?
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19:43<Supaplex>where are the unix sockets for xorg clients?
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19:44<gravity>Supaplex: /tmp
19:44<gravity>Supaplex: They get created in /etc/init.d/x11-common
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19:48<LL00>how I can put all error message in text?
19:48<LL00>with xinit
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19:48<LL00>log file doesn't have all error messages
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19:54<LL00>hum X
19:54<LL00>the command X works
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19:59<LL00>I can run /usr/bin/X
19:59<LL00>but startx crashed
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20:08<starnull>anyone use putty?
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20:10<LL00>yes I'm using putty
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20:10<LL00>hum last xorg messages are :
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20:10<LL00>[config/hal] couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null))
20:10<LL00>(II) VMWARE(0): Terminating Xv video-stream id:0
20:10<LL00>FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
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20:11<echostorm>arrgh i cannot get flashplayer working in konquorer to save my life :(
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20:13<echostorm>anyone successfully pulled this off?
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20:15<starnull>flash player?
20:15<starnull>dont bother
20:15<starnull>what are you watching?
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20:23<abrotman>starnull: that wasn't very helpful
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20:29<LL00>someone can help me about my xorg
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20:29<LL00>somone talk me about hald
20:30<LL00>which package I can find this hald
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20:31<aktiwers>after I got my new PC the Debian Lenny installer can't find my CD-rom drive.. And it does not seam to show up in /dev/
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20:39<starnull>abrotman: knee-jerk reaction. not really noob friendly i suppose
20:40<starnull>IDEA vs BlowFish?
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21:55<lars>good evening guys and perhaps gals too if they exist in this weird complex geeky world
21:55<lars>is anyone there?
21:56<lars>good answer
21:56<lars>actually not witty and relatively shit
21:56<lars>got any better?
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21:58<lars>alien from outerspace calling to earth
21:58<lars>has the apocalypse come already?
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22:02<Solver>yes the apocalypse has come already
22:02<Solver>sorry for the inconvenience
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22:11<D1ablo>u mean hey?
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22:11<abrotman>you mean 'you' ?
22:11<D1ablo>no i meant me
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22:12<cow>what do u mean??
22:13*D1ablo confused
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22:14<cow>i'm sorry "hai" is indonesian in english is "hi"
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22:16<echostorm>if anyone cares, radioshack sells computer accesories named gigaware... they are apperently rebranded logitech. hooray, it only toolk me an hour to figure that out. which is why i am sharing
22:16<echostorm>i hope you all can sleep peacefully tonight knowing this
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22:17<RIVE>I'm looking for a web cam for my lap, will considere that.
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22:24<D1ablo>echostorm> RS sux...End of the story :-)
22:25<aetheria>check out the linux uvc project for webcam support
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22:25<aetheria>the module can be installed with debian's module-assistant
22:25<echostorm>diablo, i agree .. but it was a 15$ keyboard, and I refuse to shop at walmart... everything else was closed
22:26<echostorm>actually its a pretty decent one to, ive had it about 6months... a rebranded logitech internet pro it seems
22:26<D1ablo>echostorm> we don't have walmart overhere..thank god :-)
22:26<echostorm>your lucky... my town suffered the walmart curse.
22:28<D1ablo>RS used to be in OZ but got swollowed by tandy wich in turn got swollowed by DSE which in turn got swollowed by Fruit and veggies Woolworths
22:28<RIVE>Thanks aetheria.
22:28<D1ablo>so now you can buy a banna with a fuse :-)
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22:29<echostorm>i briefly worked at rs back in the 90's when they still sold stuff to make radios with
22:30<echostorm>now its just false advertising
22:30<echostorm>unless of course you like sony
22:30<echostorm>so is anyone else running kde by chance?
22:30<D1ablo>they all do even big name all made in china now
22:30<echostorm>I want to make it less ugly
22:31<echostorm>not sure if compiz is the way to go here
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22:31<D1ablo>try gnome
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22:31<echostorm>:) im coming from gnome... I have gnome- we talked earlier, but im determined to make kde work... ive heard so much good about it.
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22:32<abrotman>echostorm: ?
22:33<echostorm>yeah i figured, wasnt sure if there was something specific i had to do.
22:33<D1ablo>now gents if you don't mind me i need to move about 1200 briks :/
22:33<D1ablo>by hand
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22:34<D1ablo>don't try that with KDE :-))
22:35<echostorm>im not sure how kde would react to accidently opening 200 something copies of totem at once.... accidently did that yesterday on suse :))
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23:13<sls>is there a guide anywhere no how to setup an NFD share so the files actualy show up in the mounted share?
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23:36<Luffy1980>Is there anyone here who knows how to create a bootable grub cd to boot debian on my hd? Basically, I just want to bypass the mbr of my hd and boot debian on my hd from the cd. I know how to do that on grub-legacy, but does anybody know how to do that on grub2?
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23:39<Atomo64>Luffy1980: do you really need that? why don't you just download and burn a live cd? :)
23:42<Luffy1980>Atomo64: Unfortunately I do need that, because I have bios problems. Yes, a live cd is an option, but I could do something similar even with some basic commands of grub 2. I'd like to create a bootable cd to have a working graphical multichoice boot menu, as if my bios was working.
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23:43<pabs>is there any way to influence which of Packages, Packages.gz, Packages.bz2 apt prefers to use?
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23:44<pabs>I'm using a slow machine (OpenMoko FreeRunner) and bzip2 decompression takes a long time
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23:49<Atomo64>pabs: apt.conf(5) mentions PDiffs, but there's no mention of bzip2
23:49<pabs>yeah, the configure-index doesn't either. /me files bug
23:50<Atomo64>pabs: this may work: Dir { Bin { bzip2 "/bin/false"; }; };
23:51<Atomo64>not sure, you would just be telling apt that bzip2 is /bin/false; I expect that to do something
23:52<pabs>yeah, that just makes if fail rather than try Packages.gz
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23:54<Atomo64>pabs: what about /bin/true? :D
23:54<Atomo64>it should treat the Packages.bz2 file as empty, and move on to something else
23:54<Atomo64>or at least that's the behaviour I would expect :d
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23:55<dmb>hello, is there a way to bring back the package selection screen (web server, desktop env, etc) after the installation is finished?
23:56<gsimmons>!tell dmb -about tasksel
23:56<dmb>gsimmons, ah, thanks a lot
23:56<dmb>i have a bad memory :P
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23:58<pabs>Atomo64: true gives this: Hash Sum mismatch
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23:59<Atomo64>pabs: and it doesn't go over? you are not lucky at all
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