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---Logopened Tue Dec 09 00:00:12 2008
00:01<pabs>filing a wishlist bug
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00:05<joe>any one here?
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00:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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00:07<Guest398>i want fun
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00:16<imperia>how do i disable ipv6? i tried adding blacklist ipv6 but now my syslog is being flooded with "modprobe: WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module ipv6"
00:25<mikegrb>why disable it?
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00:29<imperia>mikegrb: i don't use it.
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00:37<bdtiempo>hello at all
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00:41<imperia>tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults 0 0
00:41<imperia>tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0
00:41<imperia>tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0
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00:43<bdtiempo>when debian or ubuntu was installed, the /var directory, is posible clean?
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00:48<oscar>god evening
00:48<bdtiempo>good evening!
00:49<oscar>what application to convert file video
00:49<bdtiempo>and good morgning for me!
00:49<bdtiempo>what video file format do you want convert?
00:50<oscar>for my iphone
00:50<oscar>avi to mp4
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00:51<bdtiempo>i don't know, because with windows is posible, but in gnu/linux i don't know the form
00:52<bdtiempo>in, don't exists none program for convert video formats?
00:52<Norgur>oscar: sudo apt-cache search mp4
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00:53<Norgur>maybe there is a tool for your needs
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00:56<oscar>what is this
00:56<oscar>mp4 is a program?
00:56<Norgur>oscar: no, afaik not
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00:57<bdtiempo>the next hardware: motherboard Asus P5VD2 MX, graphic card: Via/S3g unichrome pro, and soundcard: realtek HDAudio, is supported by the current linux kernel version in debian 4.0r5?
00:57<Norgur>oscar: you are just searching for tools with "mp4" either in their name or description through the repos
00:57<Norgur>bdtiempo: yes
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01:00<bdtiempo>¡thank's you! if it's supported, i can install thi's version on my computer!
01:00<craigevil>oscar: if you use kde you might try soundKonverter>
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01:02<bdtiempo>but....the 4.0r5 version, can's support gnome-orca install from compilation or install from repository?
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01:02<bdtiempo>or i homework works with gnopernicus 1.0.5
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01:05<bdtiempo>hello piro
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01:06<bdtiempo>hello jm
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01:11<bdtiempo>the wine program, is programmed ussing At-Spi and GTK?, or is programmed ussing QT32, for KDE library
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03:33<kingsley>Should I be concerned that two ethernet ports on a DSl gateway appear to share the same IP address?
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03:40<ctux>!tell ctux about flash player
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03:42<s_i_m>kingsley, perhaps, these two ports are bridged?
03:43<kingsley>s_i_m: I don't know if the ports are bridged. What does "bridged" mean?
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03:44<s_i_m>kingsley, better look for a description on wikipedia, for ex.
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03:45<ctux>s_i_m: a little help please, i i did install flashplugin-nonfree but opera keeps on asking for it, even i restart pc, so any fix for it ?
03:45<jm_>perhaps it's not in a location opera looks for it in
03:46<D1ablo>did you try dpkg-reconfigure blah ?
03:46<ctux>i didnt infact
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03:49<ctux>it gives an error
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03:51<sheldonh>are there ways to force something to run with no controlling terminal without using nohup and daemon?
03:51<D1ablo>ctux it can't find the file on the server maybe server is down?
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03:52<ctux>looks like
03:53<D1ablo>can you download the file else where and dpkg -i blah?
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03:53<jm_>no, you can't use dpkg -i with .tar.gz files
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03:54<D1ablo>yeah only .deb
03:54<D1ablo>untar then install?
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03:55<ctux>i downloaded and it says open with kfmclient exec
03:55<jm_>which version of the package are you using?
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03:56<jm_>no, of the flashplugin-nonfree
03:57<ctux>its 1;1.4
03:57<ctux>from repos
03:57<ctux>from etch backports
03:57<jm_>right, you need a newer version
03:57<jm_>or install it manually
03:58<ctux>i did install the newer version but somehow opera keeps asking for flash player
03:58<ctux>im only using opera, not iceweasel
03:58<jm_>where did you install it to?
03:58<ctux>i installed it with synaptic
03:59<jm_>no, that failed because it can't download the package
03:59<ctux>i will reinstall
03:59<jm_>the installer that is
03:59<jm_>it won't help, you're not following
03:59<ctux>yes that error
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04:02<jm_>but bpo flashplugin is downloading from a different location - run /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree
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04:02<jm_>or maybe /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
04:03<ctux>i can try these
04:04<ctux>/usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree --install gives same error
04:04<ctux>404 Not Found
04:04<jm_>show me exact version of the package then
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04:06<D1ablo>swf-player - Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash)
04:06<D1ablo>did you try this one?
04:06<ctux>yes thats one tried too, no help
04:06<D1ablo>with apt-get ?
04:07<jm_>ctux: edit /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree-get-lastminute and put "set -x" as second line, without quotes
04:07<jm_>then run the command again, it should output a lot more
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04:15<ctux>same error
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04:15<jm_>ctux: doh, stupid me, yeah it just downloads another shell script, I was thinking it's the file itself
04:16<jm_>ctux: I recommend you install it manually in your home dir
04:16<ctux>yes thats the only option im left with
04:17<D1ablo>should be fun :-)
04:17<jm_>no, it's trivial, unpack .tar.gz downloaded from, cp to plugin path
04:17<D1ablo>ok time for my dinner :-)
04:17<jm_> that is
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04:19<ctux>their site is down, im getting 3kbs dl speed on 1 mb dsl
04:20<jm_>you can also find flash packages on d-m site
04:20<ctux>d-m site?
04:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
04:21<ctux>oh yes i have added this repo
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04:21<jm_>it has flashplayer-mozilla packages
04:22<ctux>i can try that
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04:24<ctux>jm_, this worked
04:24<ctux>i did see this package before, but i opted for non-free and went into all this trouble
04:24<ctux>non-free things might not be working all the times
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04:26<jm_>especially when fucktards on move files arround or remove them :)
04:28<ctux>but thanks anyways, you took lots of pains with me :)
04:28<ctux>now im looking for a download tool that can download flash movies
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04:30<jm_>clive is OK
04:30<ctux>yes looks fine
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04:30<ctux>i will try it
04:31<mihkel>Hi, in dmseg I see: sit0: Disabled Privacy Extensions and 6in4: Disabled Privacy Extensions
04:31<mihkel>What those mean
04:31<mihkel>those privacy extensions
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04:41<mihkel>and why are they disabled by default?
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04:45<valdyn>mihkel: thats some ipv6 thingie
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04:46<valdyn>mihkel: have you looked at RFC3041?
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04:49<valdyn>mihkel: they would be pointless to use with sit0
04:49<mihkel>but not with my tunneling interface
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04:50<mihkel> <- found this
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04:50<valdyn>mihkel: maybe its possible that you enable them
04:50<kon>hi, where can i find a minimal boot cd image for installing debian over the internet for x86?
04:50<mihkel>but as I understand there is some problems with boot sequence
04:51<mihkel>in ubuntu
04:51<mihkel>but in debian?
04:51<valdyn>mihkel: you understand what those privacy extensions mean?
04:51<jm_>business card CD-s are minimal, they are on the Debian CD mirrors
04:51<D1ablo>valdyn> kon> look for netinstall
04:51<valdyn>mihkel: that bug is something entirely different
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04:51<kon>isn't netboot PXE stuff only?
04:52<D1ablo>that what i use on my network
04:52<valdyn>mihkel: randomised changing of ip addresses is something entirely different than just not using physical hardware id to generate an ip address
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04:53<D1ablo>our isp has a debian mirror
04:53<kon> so this one should work for single box?
04:53<D1ablo>kon where are you located?
04:53<kon>switzerland, but i need it for a friend in australia
04:54<D1ablo>well i am in australia
04:54<D1ablo>and we have a lot of local debian mirrors
04:54<mihkel>valdyn, but to enable privacy extensions I need to add net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr=2 to sysctl.conf
04:54<D1ablo>you need netinstall not netboot
04:54<kon>oh, that's what seemd fishy to me! now it makes sense :)
04:54<valdyn>mihkel: and your tunnel broker to cooperate, i guess
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04:55<mihkel>but and ipv6 module needs to be loaded before sysctl
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04:56<valdyn>mihkel: it should be if you add it to /etc/modules
04:56<valdyn>mihkel: i wonder what the point is though
04:56<valdyn>mihkel: when your ipv4 ip is already completely not private
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04:58<kon>D1ablo, this one right?
04:58<valdyn>mihkel: ok, except that its possible to derive which nic you use
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04:59<D1ablo>yep but better here
04:59<kon>thx :)
04:59<D1ablo>kon> np :-)
05:00<boris_>hi, just curious, what's the name of the font which the console uses?
05:01<Tenchi_Muyou>Where I can put the settings for vi thats its loaded last? I mean, i tried to put the settings at every vi file I've found, but something keeps overriding my settings
05:01<scrouaf>oups, sorry boris, i thought this was another chan
05:01<valdyn>mihkel: rfc3041 was obsoleted in 2001 btw
05:01<mihkel>valdyn, honestly I'm a little confused right now. I need to meditate ;)
05:01<valdyn>mihkel: is there something else?
05:02<jm_>Tenchi_Muyou: which vi implementation?
05:02<boris_>dw scrouaf, i had a little chuckle ;)
05:02<valdyn>mihkel: err, not in 2001, but its obsoleted anyway
05:02<jm_>boris_: it would depend on how you configured it
05:02<Tenchi_Muyou>mail:/data.old/data.rsampaio/services/domains# dpkg -l|grep vim
05:02<Tenchi_Muyou>ii vim 7.0-017+8 Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor
05:02<Tenchi_Muyou>ii vim-common 7.0-017+8 Vi IMproved - Common files
05:02<Tenchi_Muyou>ii vim-runtime 7.0-017+8 Vi IMproved - Runtime files
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05:03<Tenchi_Muyou>ops, sorry
05:03<valdyn>Tenchi_Muyou: ~/.vimrc
05:04<Tenchi_Muyou>its there, but still overridden
05:04<valdyn>Tenchi_Muyou: nah
05:04<mihkel>valdyn, if it is obsolute, then why is it enabled in kernel
05:04<valdyn>Tenchi_Muyou: your issue is something else, .vimrc isnt just overridden
05:05<valdyn>mihkel: why the kernel supports obsolete stuff?
05:05<valdyn>mihkel: would you prefer they did not?
05:05<mihkel>yes :)
05:05<jm_>use vim -V
05:05<D1ablo>mihkel> is for compatibility
05:05<valdyn>mihkel: the kernel supports a ton of obsolete stuff and broken peers
05:06<mihkel>I don't know. I just want to understand what those privacy extensions mean exactly
05:06<valdyn>mihkel: theres certain bugs on internet peers, just using whats "right" would lock out a huge part of the internet
05:07<valdyn>mihkel: do you understand ipv6 autoconfiguration?
05:07<Tenchi_Muyou>valdyn: well, mine refuses to accept that... for example, if i put on my ~/.vimrc as the very last line set tw=0, when I open a file, and do :set, textwidth is still 78
05:07<mihkel>valdyn, not conclusively
05:07<valdyn>mihkel: ok, me neither, but
05:07<valdyn>mihkel: sufficiently for this
05:08<mihkel>so bottom line is
05:08<jm_>I have textwidth set and it remains set just fine after a file is loaded - what kind of file then?
05:08<mihkel>ignore what dmesg says about privacy extensions?
05:08<valdyn>mihkel: ipv6 address autoconfiguration uses the MAC to generate the part that identifies your specific device
05:09<valdyn>mihkel: which in turn means that seeing an autogenerated IP one can tell which device you are using
05:09<valdyn>mihkel: RFC3041 proposes to randomly change the MAC in order to obfuscate that part
05:09<mihkel>valdyn, ok, but when I use tunnelbroker then i does not matter, because tonnelbroken assigns me a ipv6 address?
05:09<valdyn>mihkel: literally "
05:10<valdyn>Changing the interface identifie"
05:10<valdyn>mihkel: not for that specfic addreess
05:10<valdyn>mihkel: you cant use ipv6 autoconfiguration if you didnt get a subnet
05:11<mihkel>I have /64
05:11<valdyn>mihkel: 64 is just the length of a MAC, isnt it?
05:12<valdyn>mihkel: compare this ip of my notebook: fe80::20c:f1ff:fe28:da79 and the MAC: 00:0c:f1:28:da:79
05:12<mihkel>no. It says my ipv6 network: 2001:7d0:0:f905::/64
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05:13<mihkel>it is
05:13<mihkel>no it's not :)
05:13<valdyn>mihkel: it is
05:13<mihkel>HWaddr 00:14:d1:13:22:02
05:13<weasel>3: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,10000> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000
05:13<weasel> link/ether 00:1b:78:75:3d:46 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
05:13<weasel> inet6 2001:610:1908:a000:21b:78ff:fe75:3d46/64 scope global dynamic
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05:14<weasel>compare the mac and the ipv6 address.
05:14<valdyn>weasel: some thing
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05:14<weasel>they are some parts that match.
05:14<valdyn>weasel: *same*
05:14<valdyn>all but the leading 00 is embedded
05:14<weasel>valdyn: well, link local addresses don't really count
05:15<mihkel>and my ipv6 is 2001:7d0:0:f000::1209
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05:15<mihkel>so they are not the same
05:15<weasel>valdyn: and that's what you posted.
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05:15<valdyn>weasel: oops, yes
05:15<valdyn>weasel: right, but my ipv6 would have the mac embedded the same, its just not switched on atm
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05:17<valdyn>radvd init script is somehow broken
05:17<valdyn>but uh, i dont need it so i havent even reported the bug
05:17<mihkel>my local ipv6 aadress is based on mac address, not my global
05:18<valdyn>mihkel: if you dont use autoconfiguration then rfc3041 does not apply..
05:18<mihkel> inet6 aadr: fe80::214:d1ff:fe13:2202/64
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05:39<OdyX`>Hi. From time to time, I loose my keyboard repetition (when I let one key down, I except it to repeat the letter… it does not). Known solution ?
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05:40<jm_>in x or console?
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05:41<il_grillo>devo andare torno dopo
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05:42<OdyX`>jm_: X1
05:43<OdyX`>I don't know at all where I could start my search from
05:44<jm_>xset q will show you repeat status for keys
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05:47<OdyX`>auto repeat: on key click percent: 0 LED mask: 00000002
05:47<OdyX`> auto repeat delay: 660 repeat rate: 25
05:47<OdyX`>seems on...
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05:47<OdyX`>xset r off && xset r on
05:47<OdyX`>does not work
05:48<OdyX`>Well... Have to go (eating time). Seeyall later!
05:48<jm_>also check the mask
05:49<enouf>man kbd kbd-config kbd_mode kbdrate ? maybe?
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05:51<jm_>enouf: for X? I don't think so
05:52<enouf>hrm .. perhaps not then jm_ .. then you have all the person's DE config/settings .. ugh
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05:53<enouf>'time to time' sounds to me like the CPU is busy, and perhaps X is not (un?)niced enough
05:54<bren>i like pie
05:54<bren>do you like pie?
05:54<enouf>ala mode
05:54<themill>bren: wrong channel
05:54<bren>no u
05:55<themill>enouf: I have that happen "from time to time" too when using synergy. nfc why. Reenable repeat in KDE control centre and all is well. Only happens once every couple of months so I've never really tracked it down.
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05:56<jm_>themill: check repeat status with xset q
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05:56<themill>jm_: will do next time!
05:58<sheldonh>DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip" for the win
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06:01<enouf>themill: good point .. interesting info - i knew i wasn't bonkers :-P
06:02<enouf>sheldonh: you found it? .. finally?
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06:05<sheldonh>enouf: didn't take too long. now i have very little to miss bsd for :)
06:06<enouf>sheldonh: ahh
06:07<enouf>jm_: that xset -q is a nice little command for info indeed
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06:20<craigevil>playing funguloids unchecks the key repeat in kde
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06:45<OdyX>themill: I'm using KDE too. It works !
06:45<OdyX>Many thanks !
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07:11<themill>OdyX: no worries. I love solving people's problems by accident!
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07:15<Luffy1980>Why does my debian system tries to automatically mount my extended partition(which obviously cannot and shoundn't be mounted)? Is there any option to set to stop this?
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07:15<jm_>Luffy1980: did you add it to fstab?
07:15<Luffy1980>jm_: obviously no
07:16<jm_>Luffy1980: how is it obvious?
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07:17<Luffy1980>jm_: it wasn't a critique, it's just that I'm not a total beginner
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07:18<jm_>Luffy1980: what is obvious to you, is not obvious to a person who is trying to help you and can't check the same things you can - keep this in mind when asking for help
07:18<jm_>Luffy1980: where do you see that mount attempt occurs?
07:18<Luffy1980>jm_: on dmesg
07:19<jm_>Luffy1980: is there anything else in logs that correlates to it?
07:20<Luffy1980>[21930.124512] ReiserFS: sda4: warning: sh-2006: read_super_block: bread failed (dev sda4, block 8, size 1024)
07:20<Luffy1980>[21930.124550] attempt to access beyond end of device
07:20<Luffy1980>[21930.124554] sda4: rw=0, want=130, limit=2
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07:20<jm_>I meant other logfiles
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07:21<Luffy1980>jm_: ah, like what?
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07:22<jm_>Luffy1980: I have no idea, something that correlates to the same time frame
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07:23<Luffy1980>jm_: I guess there aren't. I tried this : grep xfs * 2> /dev/null on /var/log, but nothing interesting appeared
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07:23<jm_>Luffy1980: just check the same time frame in logs
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07:26<Luffy1980>jm_: the same messages apear in kern.log, messages and syslog
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07:28<Luffy1980>jm_: sorry, my mistake,non in messages, only the other 2
07:28<jm_>Luffy1980: yeah that should make it easy to search all the logs for given timeframe (+/- 5s or 10s I suppose)
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07:30<Luffy1980>jm_: disregard my last post, the _same_ messages are logged in those 3 logfiles. except that messages has a different way to put them
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07:30<Luffy1980>messages:Dec 9 12:37:25 debian-hell kernel: [21930.089615] attempt to access beyond end of device
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07:30<Luffy1980>messages:Dec 9 12:37:25 debian-hell kernel: [21930.089623] sda4: rw=0, want=4, limit=2
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07:30<jm_>so check dec 9, 12:37:15-12:37:35
07:32<Luffy1980>jm_: I just need to understand which process is trying to guess how to mount my extended partition, because I already know what's happening.
07:32<Luffy1980>jm_:syslog:Dec 9 12:37:25 debian-hell kernel: [21930.813261] You didn't specify the type of your ufs filesystem
07:33<Luffy1980>jm_:syslog:Dec 9 12:37:25 debian-hell kernel: [21930.813262] mount -t ufs -o ufstype=sun|sunx86|44bsd|ufs2|5xbsd|old|hp|nextstep|nextstep-cd|openstep ...
07:34<Luffy1980>jm_: there's a process which is systematicallt trying all the fs to mount my extended partitions
07:34<jm_>Luffy1980: well duh, that's what I'm trying you to find out - if there's anything relevant in the logs, if there isn't, it's just guess work
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07:35<Luffy1980>jm_: yeah, I was giving more info
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07:35<wo0f>how does sed work?
07:36<Luffy1980>jm_:which process is responsible for the automatic mounting of partitions on gnome?
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07:36<wo0f>i.e. can i sed -e grep REGEXP - grep etc etc
07:37<jm_>wo0f: what are you tryin gto do?
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07:38<dr|z3d>Luffy1980: Gnome-vfs, possibly.
07:38<jm_>Luffy1980: hmm gnome, I am not familiar with that - possibly gnome volume manager
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07:40<Luffy1980>jm_: it's really strange that it cannot distinguish between a normal partition and an extended one, it seems like a bug, I'll see if a find some on the bug list of those processes
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07:41<jm_>Luffy1980: yeah better find out which process it is first
07:41<pexy>how to deny SSH passwordless connections (rsa keys) for all users but one. logon with password should still be available for all users.
07:42<jm_>pexy: by specifying AuthorizedKeysFile in config file perhaps
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07:46<Luffy1980>jm_: gnome volume manager is the one responsible for automatically mount partitions, through listening to hal events. removed it,solved the problem
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07:46<jm_>Luffy1980: but if something else tells it to mount it, then it's not GVM problem
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07:51<pexy>jm_: so i should set "AuthorizedKeysFile /home/user1/.ssh/authorized_keys" in sshd conf? what if i want only two users to be able to create passwordless SSH connections?
07:51<Luffy1980>jm_: it listens to hal events, but the fact that an hal events get logged for an extended partition, doesn't mean that the volume manager should blindly mount it. or the hal event was buggy or the volume manager is buggy, currently the one which I can painlessly live without it the gvm, so I uninstalled that
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07:51<wo0f>jm_: i want to select lines from a file and then > them into another file
07:52<jm_>pexy: no, I was thinking more like /my/special/place/%u/blabla
07:52<jm_>wo0f: you don't need sed for that, grep will do
07:52<jm_>Luffy1980: fair enough I guess
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07:52<wo0f>jm_: what is sed actually used for?
07:52<jm_>wo0f: to play sokoban!
07:53<Luffy1980>jm_: yeah, I guess so:). thanks for the help
07:53<petemc>and sometimes editing streams
07:53<wo0f>? :P
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07:53<jm_>wo0f: - info sed
07:53<wo0f>well i want to edit line by lines, >ing to different files depending on what lines have met the regexp
07:54<pexy>jm_: thanks, i got it now
07:54<wo0f>so iv got 3 greps selecting the lines i want
07:55<wo0f>i just needed to know if you can nest these inside a sed statement with -e to go thru the source file line by line
07:55<jm_>yes, sed supports blocks, you can also specify -e multiple times on command line
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08:04<arya>i am using phplist with drupal 5. How can i send newly created newsletter information to all users?
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08:06<walvarez>there is a known issue compiling nvidia module for linux-2.6.27? i did compile it on 2.6.26 but i couldn't do it on 2.6.27
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08:08<jm_>wait, I lie, I am still using 2.6.26 :P
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08:10<jm_>177.80 driver should work
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08:12<walvarez>ok but i'm using module assistant
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08:14<devzero>hi, do i need to run pcscd if all I use is an external USB card reader? Isn't that handled by usb_storage?
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08:15<devzero>USB card reader=xx-in-1 (SD, mem sticks, CF, etc.)
08:15<jm_>you can use m-a to build that version
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08:16<devzero>I have the module up and running, but does it require pcscd?
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08:16<jm_>that was for someone else
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08:17<jm_>devzero: have you tried it without pcscd?
08:18<devzero>jm_: um, not yet. but let me.
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08:24<devzero>jm_: that dont seem to make a difference, might be because i have usbstorage built into my kernel
08:25<devzero>thanks anyway :)
08:25<jm_>devzero: you mean no difference as in it works without pcscd installed?
08:25<devzero>jm_: pcscd running
08:25<devzero>it's installed
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08:28<devzero>kernel messages show the sd* devices from the reader being picked up, irrespective of pcscd running or not
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08:28<jm_>devzero: I thought you wanted to try without it
08:29<devzero>so, i guess I have my answer :)
08:29<devzero>thanks again :)
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08:32<jm_>no worries
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08:34<freddy__> hi - I try to install sarge on etch with this command 'cdebootstrap sarge'. But I get the following error: Couldn't download Release.gpg ??
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08:37<gsimmons>freddy__: Sarge has been removed from the mirrors. You would want to use "" for the mirror instead.
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08:38<freddy__>gsimmons, aah ... I'll try that
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08:40<freddy__>gsimmons, cdebootstrap sarge . stops 4 lines further with E: Could not download Release ?
08:41<valdyn>freddy__: which arch?
08:42<valdyn>freddy__: tried debootstrap instead, btw?
08:43<freddy__>valdyn, Linux compaq2 2.6.18-6-amd64
08:43<jm_>well doh
08:43<valdyn>freddy__: theres no amd64 sarge release
08:43<jm_>good spot
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08:43<freddy__>jm_, well ... ok, thanks
08:43<valdyn>but i can reproduce his error, i get E: Unknown suite sarge
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08:44<jm_>freddy__: you should thank valdyn, not me ;)
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08:45<valdyn>freddy__: you are not running debian/amd64 even though you have an -amd64 kernel
08:46<freddy__>valdyn, actually I'm not sure why I have this - how do I find out which arch hardware I have ?
08:46<valdyn>freddy__: i dont care about your hardware
08:46<jm_>freddy__: dpkg --print-architecture
08:46<valdyn>freddy__: output of "arch" is what i wanted
08:47<valdyn>jm_: and what jm_ said
08:47<freddy__>valdyn, amd64
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08:47<valdyn>i dont understand you error then
08:48<freddy__>valdyn, no sorry arch says: x86_64
08:48<valdyn>but debootstrap is better
08:48<valdyn>and defenitely gives more useful error messages
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08:50<freddy__>valdyn, so debootstrap sarge /sarge-root gives me 'Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages'
08:51<valdyn>freddy__: uh, thats the same thing, theres no sarge/amd64
08:51<freddy__>valdyn, so that simply impossible on this machine ?
08:51<valdyn>freddy__: why are you insisting on using sarge?
08:52<freddy__>valdyn, I have some specific scientific sw that has to run sarge
08:52<freddy__>valdyn, it is not ported to etch or other places
08:52<valdyn>freddy__: well, that software has to be 32-bit, so why dont you try sarge/i386
08:53<koollman>also, you should consider porting it somehow
08:53<koollman>I mean, really.
08:53<valdyn>"porting" = recompiling
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08:53<valdyn>if its *somewhat* sane software
08:53<koollman>it can be as simple as giving it the libc it expects
08:53<valdyn>but ive seen alot of shit too, so that may not be viable
08:54<freddy__>valdyn, so you mean just to do the command : debootstrap sarge/i386 /sarge-root ?
08:54<valdyn>freddy__: i doubt thats the right syntax for that command
08:55<freddy__>valdyn, it is :-(
08:55<valdyn>freddy__: i wonder why i see the --arch switch as first OPTIONS then in the manpage
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08:59<enouf>what's specific to sarge? that won't run on etch? yet you're using a 2.6.18 kernel?
08:59<valdyn>enouf: that is not his sarge system
09:00<enouf>oh .. my bad then - still .. must be some gcc/glib/libc6 issue?, unless 2.4 issue?
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09:01<valdyn>probably just libc6 versioned linkage
09:01<valdyn>which is probably silly in itself
09:01<koollman>not really. could be linked to old enough libc and fails on some basic tests
09:02<valdyn>sarge isnt that old..
09:02<koollman>still not the same libc
09:02<koollman>and glibc does tests its own version
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09:02<valdyn>!info libc6 sarge
09:02<valdyn>!info libc6 etch
09:03<dpkg>libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 10808 kB
09:03<valdyn>to bad, cant query sarge anymore
09:04<freddy__>if I do a: debootstrap -archi386 -v sarge /sarge-root I get no errors :-) . But I expected it to download a whole system
09:04<valdyn>freddy__: what is a "whole system"?
09:04<koollman>often, export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=somevalue can help
09:05<freddy__>valdyn, a whole sarge debian system
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09:05<b52laptop_>ppl what do yu recommand like minimal windowd manager for a server ?
09:05<valdyn>Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6
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09:05<koollman>b52laptop_: hm ... none ? :)
09:05<valdyn>freddy__: no kernel, no bootloader
09:05<b52laptop_>i just want to have multiple window :d
09:05<b52laptop_>koollman, :)
09:05<koollman>b52laptop_: fluxbox
09:05<b52laptop_>hm ok
09:06<valdyn>freddy__: but enough to chroot into that system and apt-get install stuff
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09:06<freddy__>I follow this: # 8.6.35 and there it says: watch download the whole system
09:06<valdyn>freddy__: who is defining what a "whole system" is?
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09:07<koollman>freddy__: well, is there anything in the folder now ?
09:07<valdyn>freddy__: i certainly dont need a kernel or bootloader in my debootstrapped experimental chroot
09:08<freddy__>yes the folder contains four folders: debootstrap, lenny, sarge, var
09:09<valdyn>freddy__: im surprised that you got no error btw
09:09<valdyn>freddy__: -archi386 isnt a valid switch
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09:09<freddy__>valdyn, ok ...
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09:10<valdyn>freddy__: it just returns from that line and does nothing
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09:11<valdyn>freddy__: where are you getting that -v switch from?
09:11<valdyn>!unix lessons
09:11<dpkg>i guess unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be
09:13<freddy__>valdyn, ah .. I thought it was short for verbose ..
09:13<valdyn>freddy__: its not in the manpage
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09:14<valdyn>nice violation of "no output = no error" by debootstrap =/
09:15<freddy__>here we go: debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose sarge /sarge-root seems to be the correct one :D
09:15<valdyn>freddy__: if you are lucky
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09:15<valdyn>freddy__: --arch=ARCH what is in the manpage
09:15<valdyn>freddy__: that implies that you miss =
09:17<freddy__>valdyn, in my manpage it says --arch ARCH
09:17<freddy__>now it says: Base system installed successfully
09:17<valdyn>freddy__: quite fast
09:17<freddy__>valdyn, yeah
09:19<freddy__>valdyn, thank you so much - I appreciate your help.
09:19<valdyn>freddy__: welcome
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09:30<zaperr>como veo una lista de los canales
09:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:44<sheldonh>i reckon unix lessons has to cover 90% of problems, at least
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09:45<sheldonh>busy dealing with the stroke of genius in which you hand-compile a custom proftpd, write it over the binary installed by debian's proftpd package, fail to mark the package held or pin it in any way, and then throw away the source code you used to produce your custom binary. oh, and don't document what you did
09:46<sheldonh>lessons 2, 3, 5, 6, 10 clearly apply, with 11 being debatable ;)
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10:03<apostle>Thanks for the help. I now have Debian Lenny running on 3 machines in my house and loving it....Only to PC's left to install it on.....If only they ported World of Warcarft to Linux.
10:03<apostle>to = two (shame on me)
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10:08<sheldonh>apostle: think how much more you'll learn without it :)
10:09<apostle>sheldonh, I don't understand
10:09<sheldonh>i reckon at least 25% of wowzers could become competent kernel hackers with the time they've invested in wow :)
10:09<apostle>hey I was in an different viewport and the message came across the that's cool I love this OS
10:09<sheldonh>i could have written an operating system with the time i invested in nethack :)
10:09<apostle>sheldonh, I hear you I don't play it at all its for my brother but I can't get rid of windows until there is a WOW for Linux system
10:10<sheldonh>apostle: looks like you're stuck with windows. just keep it well firewalled and traffic shaped and all will be well. :)
10:10<sheldonh>apostle: incidentally, if you introduce as little as 10% packet loss, you'll probably find he loses interest in the game altogether ;)
10:11*dr|z3d laughs.
10:12<apostle>sheldonh, I have a friend who has even earned a computer science degree and he always defends microsoft....its come to the point where I don't even want to bother discussing anything related to computers with him....Have you come across these type of characters...Somebody tell me that I'm doing the correct thing by avoiding him.
10:12<sheldonh>apostle: often, i defend microsoft. depends on the attack
10:13<sheldonh>apostle: i have 3 microsoft licenses. i play it to its strengths. counter-strike source, oblivion, fallout, far cry, that sort of thing :)
10:13<apostle>saying linux is not secure and stable as microsoft and that one can actually learn everything about computers with the Windows OS
10:13<sheldonh>apostle: and my wife loves windows.
10:14<apostle>sheldonh, thats the person I am talking abouts argument
10:14<sheldonh>apostle: hmmm. usually people who compare "linux" with "microsoft" don't know what they're talking about. there are many linuxes distros and many microsoft operating systems :)
10:15<apostle>I live in Ottawa Canada...I am surprised how much this government will not invest in Linux Professionals and start designing systems that don't require giving MS so much money.
10:15<sheldonh>yeah, it's weird like that. but getting better, slowly. anyway, gotta run. have fun!
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10:46<apostle>problem with doc-central....Apache2 returns that my user has no permissions to view the docs...Where do I set this in apache.conf
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10:51<paddy>everything ok for you guys?
10:51<mikos>Hello, I am using debian on Xen based virtual server and I don't have installed udev. If I create device manually (with mknod), it is removed after reboot. So I assume that /dev (which is mounted as tmpfs) is repopulated from somewhere...
10:51<mikos>So what is the right practice to have static /dev is Debian (Testing)?
10:52<carbono>alguien habla español
10:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:33<apostle>problem with dvds playing....what is the correct url for installing the packages I need?
11:34<gsimmons>!tell apostle -about dvd playback
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11:40<PaulK>Hello.. Did somebody speak french ? I would like to answer somebody !
11:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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11:41<PaulK>ok, thank-you
11:42<apostle>gsimmons, still can't decrypt after installing the player is vlc?
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11:43<apostle>gsimmons, ignore me I have not regioned set my dvd...doing so now.
11:46<apostle>gsimmons, ok now I have done all the steps and no playback?
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11:48<Bleupomme>hello how can I find out which module is used for my ethernet card?
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11:49<cahoot>the module it uses or the module it needs?
11:50<enouf>apostle: mplayer?
11:50<enouf>try #videolan on maybe - but it should work fine
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11:51<enouf>apostle: try other dvds as well
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11:51<Bleupomme>cahoot: the module it uses. And possibly the module it would need :)
11:51<enouf>apostle: install and use eject /dev/name, eject -t /dev/name to reinitialize the dvd in the tray too :-P
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11:52<enouf>Bleupomme: silly
11:52<cahoot>Bleupomme: look it up in lspci -vv
11:52<enouf>lspci -k if lenny or up
11:52<Bleupomme>ok thank you
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11:53<cahoot>Bleupomme: google its pciid for the second question
11:54<apostle>ok so I got a different one playing but very choppy?
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11:55<enouf>apostle: slow puter?
11:56<enouf>apostle: do you have 'xv' installed and using it?
11:56<apostle>enouf, no this has worked fine with other distros
11:56<apostle>enouf, checking now
11:56<enouf>apostle: try xvinfo - pastebin
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11:56<cahoot>apostle: just for kicks: cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
11:56<cahoot>err change sda to the dvd
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11:56<enouf>ooo .. hdparm -i /dev/name | grep udma :-)
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11:59<apostle>enouf, hdparm did not help
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12:00<apostle>enouf, what is correct package for xv?
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12:00<cahoot>xv sill alive?
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12:01<enouf>apostle: good question - but then i suppose .. er .. using X driver for your video card? I believe libgl1-sw*-glx ? apostle: install mplayer :-) do "/msg dpkg dmm"
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12:03<enouf>cahoot: that's what i'm told - even with these 3D direct rendering Video cards and Binary Blobs - DVD playback, in mplayer anyways, still will (should) use 'xv'
12:03<daci>i have plug n play screen ,and nvidia 7200 GS,my screen and my nvidia has been detected 100%,the problem in my GDM resolution it's too big but my desktop resoltion so good ....any ideas to fix GDM resolution
12:03<cahoot>enouf: oh I was think of the picture displaying app called xv (IIRC)
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12:04<apostle>enouf, the video works fine with mplayer but not with vlc
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12:04<enouf>apostle: i don't know - but i guess it's one of these pkgs libxvidcore4 libxv1 x11-utils (for xvinfo)
12:04<cahoot>as usual mplayer comes up on top
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12:04<enouf>apostle: ok - that's a VLC config option i'd guess
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12:05<apostle>enouf, looking into it now
12:05<tmeedendorp>I think all vlc codecs are in the vlc package
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12:06<daemon>hey guys, if I add: IN CNAME to my file for bind whoever visit should get pushed to is that right?
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12:07<enouf>apostle: the particular package one might need (not certain at all) if they are using a 3D binary blob (think ati, nvidia) and do not have the libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} pkgs, would be --> libgl1-mesa-swx11 (again - all very vague)
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12:08<enouf>but .. that might only be used/needed for "cool" desktop effects or something - not streaming video and such ... i dunno man
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12:17<valdyn>apostle: mplayer has alot more video playback modes than vlc
12:17<valdyn>apostle: you want to know which mode does not work = is vlc trying to use and/or which mode mplayer is using
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12:19<raptornv>solo se escribe en ingles aqui?
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12:20<raptornv>solicito ayuda configurando mi apache2
12:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:20<raptornv>me sale el siquiente error : * Restarting web server apache2 apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
12:20<raptornv> ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
12:20<raptornv> [ OK ]
12:20<valdyn>raptornv: dont paste like that in here
12:21<raptornv>sorry valdyn
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12:22<norbert->hi there, can anyone here point me to documentation on how to increase the SYN ACK queue and decrease the time-out waiting for the three-way handshake on a Debian box?
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12:23<valdyn>norbert-: tunables are in /proc/sys/net
12:23<fxiny>enouf: firebug crashed : not enough resources , i'm running some scripts : load average 5 :)
12:24<norbert->valdyn: thanks
12:24<valdyn>tcp_max_syn_backlog ?
12:25<norbert->256, apparently
12:25<norbert->I'll look up information about the /proc/sys/net directory
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12:26<norbert->"The tcp_max_syn_backlog variable tells your box how many SYN requests to keep in memory that we have yet to get the third packet in a 3-way handshake from."
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12:31<enouf>apostle: as valdyn was explaining, i think mplayer defaults to xv, ensure in vlc, you have xv selected for video playback, not x11 or any other
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12:38<nessa>boa tarde
12:38<nessa>tudo bommm
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12:39<aBs0LuTe>i need help, want to block all downloads in iptables, as I do?
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12:40<Resicons>someone know how to install flash plugin for Epiphany?
12:40<valdyn>aBs0LuTe: what is a download?
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12:42<aBs0LuTe>valdyn: i have a server counter-strike, but he did not want to upgrade, he is doing downloads automatic, want to block the iptables does my computer take downloads.
12:42<valdyn>aBs0LuTe: why cant you stop that automatism?
12:42<valdyn>aBs0LuTe: now I still dont know what a download is
12:43<d3co>looking for port!
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12:44<aBs0LuTe>valdyn: because the update to the server is always lag. Lock all types of downloads.
12:44<valdyn>aBs0LuTe: cant you ask in a forum of your native language?
12:45<aBs0LuTe>valdyn: i have not had success in forums, I need a rule in iptables to block all downloads on your computer.
12:45<valdyn>aBs0LuTe: or in a counterstrike specific forum, because as it is, people in here usually dont know what a "download" on that system you are running is
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12:46<valdyn>aBs0LuTe: you cant tell what a download is in network terms -> i cant help you
12:46<aBs0LuTe>valdyn: i do not speak english, i'm using the google-translation
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12:47<aBs0LuTe>valdyn: i need a rule in iptables to block any kind of downloading the file on your computer.
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12:50<d3co>INPUT :)
12:50<sqtux>heh guys
12:51<sqtux>what pdf reader do you prefer when using windowmanagers like xmonad , wmii oder ion3 ? i searched someone with "cut out" function like KPDF
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12:53<Resicons>I want to install flash player plugin for default browsers in debian but it seem do not work anyway, someone can tell me what can i do
12:54<newsense>!tell Resicons about flash
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12:54<Resicons>oh, thanks guy, try to read :)
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13:04<d3co> Resicons: I work this way, get the plugins copy here /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
13:04<Resicons>i did, d3co
13:04<Resicons>but not work
13:05<Resicons>i try to download flashplayer plugin from and extract the package and cp this file to this destination folder, but nothing happen
13:06<d3co>mm well i going to eat! :) come back! :)
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13:07<valdyn>Resicons: restart epiphany-browse
13:07<valdyn>Resicons: restart epiphany-browser
13:07<Resicons>yes, i did, valdyn, I also restart my computer
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13:07<valdyn>Resicons: read about:plugins
13:08<Resicons>yes, i also read it, but cant see flashplayer in this page
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13:08<valdyn>Resicons: what else is there?
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13:09<valdyn>Resicons: differernt plugin for .swf or .spl files?
13:09<Resicons>something like swfdecoder, wmp...
13:09<valdyn>Resicons: so what
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13:09<valdyn>Resicons: and now install flash the debian way
13:09<leoTam>#join joomla
13:10<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
13:10<valdyn>Resicons: from ^^^
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13:10<valdyn>Resicons: and flashplayer-mozilla is the package name
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13:11<valdyn>Resicons: and copying anything manually to /usr is very stupid
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13:11<Resicons>:valdyn so i must install flashplayer-mozilla?
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13:13<Xande>alguém ai do Brasil?
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13:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:15<fxiny>flash path is in pluginreg.dat
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13:15<fxiny>you can change it or just check where it points
13:16<fxiny>of course dmm can do it for you
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13:17<Resicons>:valdyn here's my probs: I try to download package from adobe page and extract things, then execute sh file, ok, it go to terminal and tell me what to do next, installer tell me that "you must enter the location of browser such as Opera, Nescape, etc...", I thing Eq and Ice based on Mozilla brows so i try to point to /usr/lib/... bt installer say that this location does not correct. So I copy .so file to that place, restart brows ro restart my com
13:18<stew>Resicons: why not use the debian packages which install it to the right location for you?
13:18<Resicons>:fixiny thanks, i will check this
13:19<fxiny>it was in many places : /usr/lib/mozilla iceweasel firefox mozilla-firefox
13:19<Resicons>:stew which?
13:19<fxiny>a mess
13:19<stew>Resicons: flashplugin-nonfree
13:20<Resicons>:fxiny sr, where's pluginreg.dat fxiny?
13:20<fxiny>Resicons: adobe last version don't work in etch so i think dmm is a better solution
13:20<fxiny>enouf: in ~/.mozilla/firefox
13:20<fxiny>Resicons: ^^^
13:21<Resicons>yes fxiny
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13:23<Resicons>:fxiny yes, i see it, so I need to put the path of to this dat file, right?
13:24<fxiny>Resicons: no . you've benn told already how to do it . debian package set things right including adobe version , i think . not 100% sure cause my lenny's progress and i have installed no browser yet , but i know last version can't work in etch
13:24<Resicons>:stew I aready installed nonfree package but it' not work
13:25<Resicons>yes, you're right, at least it's not for me :(, etch
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13:26<fxiny>Resicons: you running etch ? so i am right
13:26<Resicons>yes, i'm using etch version here
13:26<fxiny>Resicons: seen ? get the debianized flash
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13:28<fxiny>i'm using 9.0 r124 . dunno if is ok and anyway i keep flash most of the time off
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13:29<Resicons>:fxiny fxiny, i cant understand this sentence :(
13:29<LL00>someone if option ntp-servers in dhcpd.conf will update /etc/openntpd/ntpd.conf ? or only /etc/ntp.conf ?
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13:30<LL00>I want to use openntpd instead of ntp
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13:31<fxiny>Resicons: last flash version you dowloaded can't work in etch . you want an etch version . install it from dmm
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13:31<fxiny>or move to lenny
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13:32<newsense>i got flash problems in lenny using dmm myself, wouldnt try that
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13:32<fxiny>Resicons: for your reference i told you the version i'm using in etch
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13:33<newsense>unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ a symlink to /etc/alternatives/ No such file or directory
13:33<Resicons>yes, i'll try now, fxiny
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13:35<fxiny>using dmm debs can help in pinpoint this annoying adobe flash problems , just report
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13:39<newsense>unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ a symlink to /etc/alternatives/ No such file or directory
13:39<newsense>sorry ignore that
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13:39<Resicons>fxiny: it's difficult to me, I try to ques google but i think i can understand what does dmm mean, so can you explain a litte
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13:40<newsense>debian multimedia repo
13:40<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
13:40<fxiny>Resicons: add it to your sources list and run aptitude update
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13:41<Resicons>fxiny: do you mean "apt-get update" command?
13:42<amphi>!tell Resicons -about why aptitude
13:42<Resicons>thank amphi
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13:43<baatr>please give me link on the russian partishion
13:44<fxiny>i will certainlny use dmm in lenny for flash instead of cping it over down /var like i did in woody , sarge and etch . i use Marillat repo since ages and i am fed up of all adobe bugs and versions , so dmm will take care of flash like it does with acroread
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13:45<baatr>please link
13:46<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
13:46<baatr>thank you
13:47<fxiny>who remembers compiling lame ? i still have it on /usr/local . dmm helps so much
13:47*amphi does not recall
13:47<fxiny>not just mplayer
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13:48<fxiny>amphi: /usr/local/ and
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13:49<Resicons>fxiny: so there're some diffirent things from packages of dmm and packages of
13:49<fxiny>Resicons: licences
13:50<Resicons>fxiny: dmm's not GNU ?
13:50<fxiny>Resicons: no
13:51<stew>Resicons: dmm is mostly things that debian doesn't distribute for legal reasons, most of them being patent problems. many of these softwares on dmm are GNU, some are not
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13:52<newsense>while were on the subject, anyone know a fix to install flashplayer-mozilla from dmm on lenny ?
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13:53<stew>Resicons: wait, sorry, i don't know if anything on dmm is actually from GNU, some is GPL though, i was confusing the two abbreviations
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13:54<Resicons>stew: thank, do not sorry me, you dont have any mistake
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13:55<Aura_Cabarcas>i could partially fix the flash problem in etch by downloading and compilling a previous version: fp9, and it worked fine.
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13:56<Resicons>Aura_Cabarcas: really?
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13:57<Aura_Cabarcas>i mean: i downloaded the previos version and did the same thing as though it were the last one and it worked.
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13:57<Aura_Cabarcas>i red in in a forum.
13:58<Resicons>Aura_Cabarcas: it's awesome, can you share this ver for me?
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13:58<Aura_Cabarcas>one moment. and yes: it's awesome.
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14:00<Resicons>fxiny: i go to page, and try to find flashplayer package, there's something wrong with my head
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14:02<fxiny>Resicons: add deb etch main to your /etc/apt/sources.list . run aptitude update
14:03<echostorm>hey guys. I am running debian lenny (using kde) I need to install vmware (just the workstation i think) but cannot find ANY decent info on how to do it properly, and its not in any of my repositories... can anyone help?
14:03<fxiny>Resicons: after that you can install packages from dmm as you do with
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14:04<Resicons>fxiny: yes, fxiny
14:04<petemc>echostorm: you need to work on your searching, there are many, many guides
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14:05<echostorm>perhaps i am being stoo specific. i was googling vmware debian lenny kde install
14:06<petemc>it wouldnt be kde specific, remove that element
14:07<Halitech>echostorm, why not use virtualbox instead?
14:07<fxiny>Resicons: this repos are for helping people
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14:08<Resicons>fxiny: yes, i see, try to do this now, fxiny
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14:11<echostorm>isnt virtualbox the one that runs both at the same time?
14:11<Halitech>echostorm, so does vmware
14:12<echostorm>I remok wait a sec... i am a little confused because of an article i read a while back. is virtualbox the same as vmware? or is it an entirely different entity
14:13<echostorm>meaning function wise
14:13<Halitech>echostorm, they are the same type of thing, they both allow you to run another operating system in a virtual environment but they are developed by different companies
14:13<Gathond>both are virtual machine systems if that is what you mean
14:13<echostorm>ahh ok, ill check that out then
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14:17<echostorm>ahh, this actually looks like a much easier and more straightforward install. thanks guy!
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14:17<Dracie>hi< i just installed debian, got grub to boot the partition, but now I can't seem to get networking to work, can't even ping my router..
14:17<Halitech>question, is it hardware or software. I have an old compaq armada M700 running etch n half. it seems to lock up at about the 15 minute mark every time. I've tried both single user mode and normal user with same results
14:18<Dracie>Works fine is ubuntu and arch
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14:19<petemc>Halitech: can you try a live cd?
14:19<Halitech>I've tried disabling dma - ide-nodma- and acpi -acpi=off
14:19<petemc>Dracie: does the interface have an address? can you see if theres a link detected
14:19<Halitech>petemc, I wish I could but unfortunately no cd rom and will not boot from usb
14:19<Dracie>like a mac adress? it appears in ifconfig
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14:20<Dracie>Halitech - boot floppy to usb?
14:20<petemc>Dracie: not mac address, but that does at least indicate the interface is recongnised
14:21<petemc>Dracie: do you use dhcp ?
14:21<Halitech>Dracie, if I could make a boot floppy I would but thats the only system I have at the moment with a working floppy
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14:21<Dracie>uh, i hope to use dhcp, static ip i can't get to work either... where is the config for networking atkin to rc.conf is other distros?
14:22<petemc> /etc/network/interfaces
14:22<Dracie>oh thx
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14:23<Dracie>this makes it a ton more straight forward..
14:23<Halitech>I also tried running an update and got this for a response E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
14:23<Resicons>fxiny: it did fxiny :)
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14:23<Dracie>best way to install ati catalyst - from ati website or is there a package?
14:24<petemc>Halitech: do you see anything in the logs?
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14:25<Halitech>petemc, no I don't
14:25<Halitech>petemc, unless I'm looking at the wrong one
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14:26<petemc>Halitech: which are you looking at?
14:26<Dracie>ping my router, host unreachable
14:27<Halitech>petemc, /var/logs/something, don't remember which one now, trying to boot it back up
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14:27<fxiny>Resicons: good . what app are you using for watching movies ?
14:27<Resicons>i try to do following to the way that fxiny told me, try to install flashplayer-mozilla from dmm and now i can see File "name: Shockwave Flash 9.0 r151" in about:plugins page. can run now :), thanks fxiny
14:28<petemc>Dracie: do you have an address?
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14:28<fxiny>Resicons: someone else told you . i told you about flash version
14:28<Resicons>fxiny: i'm using gxine, xine, mplayer and real player 11
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14:29<Resicons>fxiny: you're right fxiny
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14:30<fxiny>Resicons: in case you missing codecs or fonts . from the same repo you can install mplayer
14:30<Halitech>petemc, which log should I look at?
14:31<petemc>Halitech: dmesg , syslog, messages
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14:31<Dracie>hey petemc, i'll be back in about 20 min I have a meal waiting for me
14:32<Resicons>fxiny: i dont understand, fxiny, what's repo?
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14:32<fxiny>Resicons: dmm
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14:32<fxiny>Resicons: run : apt-cache policy mplayer
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14:33<enouf>ass opposed to suppository
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14:34<fxiny>enouf: heheeh
14:34<echostorm>ok im confused...
14:34<echostorm>Adding user `echostorm' to group `vboxusers' ...
14:34<echostorm>Adding user echostorm to group vboxusers
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14:35<echostorm>wow flooded and kicked haha sorry
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14:36<Torsten_W>echostorm: u need to relogin, after adding to a group
14:36<echostorm>ahh! thanks a ton, i seiously would never have known that
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14:38<Resicons>fxiny: when i try to open VCD using MPlayer, i encounter this fatal error: "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out(-vo) device". it's that you mean, fxiny?
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14:39<enouf>try -vo xv
14:39<Resicons>enouf: is that for me?
14:39<enouf>Resicons: yes
14:40<Dracie>got any more things i should check about my networking?
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14:40<EmleyMoor>What are the chances of getting ekiga 3 packaged for lenny? Alternatively, is there a way to remove ekiga 2 and keep the rest of gnome-desktop-environment?
14:41<Resicons>enouf: i try this command in terminal, but it'not work, so it's not that way enouf?
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14:41<enouf>Resicons: mplayer -vo xv vcd:// {cdrom-device /dev/sda} .. man mplayer
14:42<enouf>Resicons: show us
14:42<valdyn>EmleyMoor: thats what backports does, or backport it yourself if theres a package
14:42<EmleyMoor>There isn't a package
14:42<Resicons>enouf: oh, i opened MPlayer from GUI before
14:42<Dracie>EmleyMoor - get it from unstable or something
14:42<Resicons>yes, i see
14:43<EmleyMoor>It's not in unstable eithel
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14:43<Dracie>checkinstall from source?
14:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: theres one in experimental, feel free to backport it..
14:44<EmleyMoor>I will see - thanks
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14:44<EmleyMoor>I will check dependencies
14:44<petemc>Dracie: how did you get the address you currently have?
14:45<Dracie>i think...
14:45<Dracie>i forgot, how do i restart the interface
14:45<petemc>so that would indicate the interface works
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14:45<petemc>ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0
14:45<petemc>or /etc/init.d/networking restart
14:46<EmleyMoor>Is experimental kept much the same as sid?
14:46<valdyn>EmleyMoor: no
14:47*Dracie is restarting networking
14:47<fade>Hi. Maybe a stupid question, but does anyone know if I can use MSN through Wine? I know there are alternatives, but the file transfer sucks with those. And I also like the Winks etc. (for my child) aMSN supports winks, but you have to install them and I can't get that done. Plus when i want to use certain plugins with aMSN it says I need the tk-tile package. I installed it, bt still doesn't load properly (at all)
14:47<EmleyMoor>As in is it retrievable in the same way?
14:47<Halitech>petemc, dmesg
14:47<petemc>Halitech: you need to read through it yourself
14:47<enouf>yep, afaik
14:48<Dracie>No DHCP offers recieved
14:48<Halitech>petemc, I have, all 3 and nothing really jumps out at me
14:48<valdyn>EmleyMoor: whatever that means.
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14:49<enouf>sources.list wise?
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14:49<petemc>Dracie: unplug the cable then plug it back, then look in dmesg to see if the link is up
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14:49<valdyn>EmleyMoor: experimental has no build daemon -> packages are built against whatever system the maintainer felt like building -> might not want to get binaries from experimental
14:49<EmleyMoor>enouf: That is indeed what I mean
14:50<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I'll be using source
14:50<Dracie>link down
14:50<enouf>EmleyMoor: valdyn knows more than i about that
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14:50<Dracie>and says (probably when i was restarting networking) link not ready
14:50<Dracie>along w/ link down
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14:51<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i dont know about any rule that would regulate experimental, except that you probably need to be a debian developer to upload
14:51<enouf>EmleyMoor: there's always pdo anyway
14:51<petemc>Dracie: if theres no link up, then the interface wont work
14:51<Dracie>how do i link it up?
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14:51<petemc>Dracie: if it has a working cable to a working switch/whatever, the link will come up
14:52<enouf>!tell EmleyMoor about pdo
14:52<petemc>and obviously a working driver for the interface
14:52<Dracie>led that says its connected it on in back
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14:52<EmleyMoor>I see - just about
14:53<enouf>EmleyMoor: you can retrieve anything debian currently offers through there
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14:53<enouf>EmleyMoor: as in wget{table} ;-)
14:53<Dracie>have the module loaded that i need,r8169
14:53<Dracie>is dmesg it says r8169: link not ready
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14:54<valdyn>Dracie: that means that cabling is broken
14:54<Dracie>it works
14:54<valdyn>Dracie: or the peer/switch has no power
14:54<Dracie>i was just using it 5 mins ago in ubuntu
14:54<enouf>ifconfig ethX up?
14:54<valdyn>Dracie: ops, is that wlan? nm then
14:54<Dracie>connectivity light is on both ends
14:54<Dracie>no, eth0
14:55<enouf>X is a $VARIABLE there
14:55<EmleyMoor>There is a "requires but is not available" for ekiga S[(
14:55<enouf>so, replace it with 0
14:55<Dracie>as in a gigbite ethernet device
14:55<valdyn>EmleyMoor: which is ?
14:56<AzaTht>gah, too much "magic" in apt-pkg :(
14:56<AzaTht>magical global variables :(
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14:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i thought you were going to build from source
14:57<AzaTht>having to "reinvent" portions of apt-get to make it usable for a system
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14:57<AzaTht>to make pasreable output
14:57<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Backport from source package
14:57<AzaTht>and someone forgot to document the apt-pkg source :(
14:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yes, sure, built successfully but still depends on a library that is not installed?
14:58<Resicons>enouf: when i executed the command, i got this mess: "Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll", there's something wrong with installer?
14:58*enouf nominates .... you ;-)
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14:58<enouf>Resicons: nopr
14:58<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Not yet - pdo shows the fact
14:58<enouf>Resicons: nope
14:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: such library depends are generated
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14:59<enouf>Resicons: i've seen that error many times
14:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: they're why you backport
14:59<EmleyMoor>Ah, right
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14:59<Resicons>enouf: so i must cp avisynth.dll to these 3 locations?
14:59<enouf>Resicons: i think you might need avidemux? pkg? or ffmpeg?
15:00<enouf>there isn't/arent any
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15:00<Resicons>enouf: ok, i will try
15:01<valdyn>Resicons: aptitude install w32codecs?
15:01<valdyn>!tell Resicons -about search
15:01<Resicons>thank valdyn
15:01<enouf>Resicons: just a FYI - try #mplayer on when nobody here can help .. i've gotten that error as i mentioned, they stopped though, and it wasn't b/c of w32codecs, IINM
15:01<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages.
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15:02<Resicons>i've not installed w32codec yet
15:02<enouf>because, i recall having that all installed .. that wasn't the issue .. not sure why i ever even got those errors - oh well - install that too anyway
15:03<enouf>IOW .. there is no avisynth.dll i was told - that's a windows only file or something
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15:03<Resicons>yes, u right
15:03<Resicons>i cant see avisynth.dll in w32codec package
15:03<Dracie>try google about it?
15:04<enouf>Resicons: still .. install the w32codecs pkg .. for other stuffs
15:04<enouf>install ffmpeg as your friend ;-)
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15:04<enouf>Resicons: IIRC, might've had something to do with the Debian compilation options for use in WINE ?
15:05<enouf>(where, one can indeed use DLLs :-P)
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15:05<Resicons>enouf: so you mean i must find another codec pack ?, or just install ffmpeg
15:06<echostorm>wow heres a crappyy error i dont know how to fix kedit: cannot connect to X server :0.0
15:06<echostorm> it does it with gedit, kwrite, etc
15:06<Resicons>no, i have had w32codec aready in my computer, and i cant see the dll file
15:06<enouf>Resicons: but listen up - you need/want to setup your own ~/.mplayer/config file - cp the one from /etc/mplayer/config* into your ~/.mplayer -edit according to your likings
15:06<stew>echostorm: are you running them as root? or as the user that is running X? or some other user?
15:07<enouf>Resicons: i told you the file doesn't exist, however, in WINE, one installs files from windows apps? no?
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15:08<foobat_>how do I know whether or not my xorg has DRI enabled?
15:08<echostorm>ahh... apperently i was root... that was the prob
15:08<foobat_>thanks enouf
15:08<enouf>glxinfo foobat_
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15:08<foobat_>enouf: I have no instances of 'dri' or 'DRI' in glxinfo. What does this mean?
15:08<enouf>foobat_: it'll say direct rendering : no/yes
15:08<EmleyMoor>Should I build v4l or v4l2 plugins?
15:08<foobat_>ah ok
15:09<Dracie>glxinfo | grep direct
15:09<foobat_>ok I do have it
15:09<foobat_>let's start at the beginning then
15:10<simonrvn>EmleyMoor: i suppose that would depend on your gear ;)
15:10<enouf>EmleyMoor: no idea - but those are video4linux yeah? hrm .. they too have their own channels (either here on or on
15:10<enouf>or both
15:10<Dracie>ethernet works, ubuntu with the same driver module is working just fine w/ dhcp, so it stumps me why debian isn't
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15:10<EmleyMoor>I will try v4l2 first
15:10<simonrvn>like my webcam needs a v4l1 driver
15:10<enouf>Dracie: are there conflicting 8139 drivers loaded? the 8139too AND the 8139cp ?
15:11<enouf>er .. 81<whatever>
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15:11<avtobiff>doesn't installer testing come with rtl8101 bundled?
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15:11<avtobiff>and if not, how do i fix it?
15:11<Dracie>i only noticed r8169 in both
15:11<foobat_>I am coding an application in SDL with OpenGL. When I create an SDL instance with SDL_OPENGL enabled, SDL crashes in SDL_SetVideoMode(). It actually Segmentation Faults, does not return from that function. But - it only does this SOMETIMES. This program does not have those problems in Windows, or on another Debian computer running xorg with a Nvidia video card. This one is using an ATI Radeon 9600 with the FGLRX drivers. Has anyone heard of s
15:11<enouf>!listvals rtl81
15:11<dpkg>Factoid search of 'rtl81' by value (9): 2.4.5 ;; scyld ;; dwl-610 ;; 8139 ;; rtl-wifi ;; tew424ubv3 ;; realtek ;; rtl-wifi 2.6.24 ;; rtl8139.
15:12<Dracie>what are you trying to point out?
15:12<enouf>oh well - heh - one of those might be pertinent avtobiff
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15:12<avtobiff>it is a wired card
15:12<enouf>avtobiff: if it's in the debian .26 kernel, should be ...
15:12<avtobiff>can i just add the module somehow?
15:13<enouf>unless - there have been some weird exceptions (sata_marvell? something ..)
15:13<avtobiff>it is in the .26 kernel, my googling skills gave me that ubuntu didn't ship with it either
15:13<enouf>find out why not ...
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15:13<enouf>oh .. it is in the .26? then it should be available within the installer .. checked debian BTS?
15:14<enouf>avtobiff: you could ask or mail debian-boot for clarity
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15:15<avtobiff>enouf, i'll do that. i am somewhat carefull asking in devchans
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15:15<enouf>foobat_: i'm going to take a really wild assed guess .. on that system, lsmod | grep edac
15:15<enouf>avtobiff: attaboy ;-)
15:15<avtobiff>one never knows if it applys to that contekt
15:15<chealer>foobat_: your message was truncated at "Has anyone heard of s"
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15:15<avtobiff>and i got a "this is a dev chan, go to user help chan" one time
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15:16<enouf>foobat_: if so, i bet no /dev/agpgart exists either (IIRC) .. anyway, you'll want to blacklist the two edac modules - although, now IIRC, when the edacs were the issue, direct rendering would say no?
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15:18<enouf>foobat_: seems i82875p_edac and edac_mc would be the culprits in my scenario above
15:19<enouf>now, i wonder if you already have those blacklisted (so, you can have DRI/DRM), and that's causing the issue? anyway - some info 1)
15:19<enouf>bookmark 2) seems dead
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15:19<chealer>avtobiff: what is rtl8101?
15:20<avtobiff>chealer, a wired network card/chipset, usually present on motherboards
15:21<simonrvn>enouf: "i'm a doctor, not a web site maintainer!"
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15:21<chealer>avtobiff: well...the installer doesn't come with cards and chipsets
15:21<EmleyMoor>I've started to seb what this needs
15:21<enouf>simonrvn: Connection Refused! O_o
15:21<avtobiff>chealer, ... are you kidding me? :)
15:22<avtobiff>chealer, the driver is missing from the ramdisk that the installer ships :)
15:22<simonrvn>avtobiff: aka, kernel
15:22<avtobiff>or "kernel module" if you will
15:22<Dracie>hah i found the answer to my issue!
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15:22<chealer>avtobiff: no, I'm just asking what you mean by "rtl8101" (of course you didn't mean a chipset).
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15:22<enouf>which in brief says?
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15:23<avtobiff>chealer, ok. i don't know what state we are in now.
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15:23<enouf>we now need hardware secrets? i though secret hardware was sooooo non-GNU ;-)
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15:23<aaron_>problems with dvd playback....dvd is choppy DMA and XV are working?
15:24<avtobiff>chealer, are we ok?
15:24<enouf>aaron_: in which application? are you asking if DMA is enabled and if xv are working?
15:24<avtobiff>simonrvn, btw. that is my usual response to requests about handling web pages "i am a computer scientist, not a web page maintainer!"
15:25<avtobiff>although, doctor would be nice to say instead.
15:25<oz123>hi, after my last system update i'm getting this error 'Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale.
15:25<aaron_>enouf, vlc they are enabled and the playback is choppy what else can it be....I have an 8800 GT and the drivers are installed
15:25*avtobiff going to fetch another nic. bye. thanks. :)
15:25<chealer>avtobiff: not really. are you talking about a driver for the RTL8101 chipset, or what?
15:25<oz123>can any help me solving this issue with locales?
15:25<simonrvn>avtobiff: hehe (mine was a star trek reference too ;)
15:25<EmleyMoor>I don't actually like backporting but it is certainly the best of the available options
15:25<avtobiff>simonrvn, oh. of course :)
15:25<enouf>aaron_: install and try mplayer
15:26<enouf>!tell aaron_ -about dmm
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15:26<aaron_>enouf, mplayer is installed and the same chopyness
15:26<enouf>aaron_: mplayer -vo xv dvd://
15:26<avtobiff>chealer, yes. my computer has a rtl8101 chipset in it, a chipset which lacks support in the .26 kernel that debian installer ships with.
15:26<avtobiff>chealer, now?
15:27<enouf>aaron_: got ffmpeg and libdvdcss* stuffs installed? See what percentage of CPU/Ram top/htop shows when playing back
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15:28<chealer>avtobiff: do you know the driver's name?
15:28<enouf>aaron_: only other possible thing is .. binary blob shit? you have libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} installed? .. i think they are not needed when blobs are present - but then, libgl1-mesa-swx11 should be (or something)
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15:29<aaron_>enouf, the mplayer command plays choppy too
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15:30<enouf>aaron_: choppy? what's your CPU? .. well, with an 8800 GT i imagine not too shabby :-P Is the DVD encoded as er .. 1080p or something?
15:31<enouf>aaron_: ask in #mplayer on then .. you sure no SDL is in the way? You have a lot to answer now ;-)
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15:32<enouf>avtobiff: i thought you said ubuntu does not ship with the rtl8101 module, but debian's .26 does indeed have it? Yet .. you're saying it's not available within the installer kernel modules? it's possible
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15:32<aaron_>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
15:32<aaron_>dvd is not encoded with 1080p
15:33<aaron_>how can I make sure SDL is not in the way? I did install several packages to try and get some gaming stuff working
15:33<enouf>i seem to have the 8180, 8187 and the usb 8150 here on my .26-1-686
15:33<Resicons>anyone's using stardict here?
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15:35<Resicons>and festival
15:35<enouf>aaron_: learn to use top and htop and even vmstat, and iotop .. always start it (mplayer) from the xterm so you can see the messages - sometimes suggestions are given .. such like trying various lavdopts and vf options and such
15:35<EmleyMoor>I use festival
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15:35<Resicons>EmleyMoor: yes, Emley
15:36<enouf>aaron_: so .. 'hdparm -i /dev/name | grep udma' shows that atleast *udma4 has the asterisk?
15:36<EmleyMoor>No ida about stardict though
15:36<Resicons>EmleyMoor: i try to find the fesfival-gui package because i'm new one, and command's difficult to me
15:37<EmleyMoor>Don't know of one
15:37<enouf>aaron_: are you playing an actual DVD? or is it a file on your HDD? over the network?
15:37<Resicons>yes, no one using stardict here
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15:37<enouf>!coffee me and simonrvn
15:37*dpkg decants a fine brew of organic International Roast Caterers Blend for me and simonrvn, courtesy of enouf
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15:38<aaron_>enouf, actual dvd
15:38<foobat_>enouf: good idea, but /dev/agpgard exists and edac does not
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15:39<aaron_>enouf, elijah:/media/disk/Movies/MotionPictures# /sbin/hdparm -i /dev/hdc | grep udma
15:39<aaron_> UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4
15:39<ranix>I am going to chalk it up to ATI driver failure
15:39<Norgur>did anyone experience problems with the flash player since the new update to version 10?
15:39<enouf>aaron_: ok .. one qquestion down - only 19 more to go (j/k)
15:39<enouf>no idea then mate
15:39<Norgur>since i updated, it is simply not working anymore
15:39<enouf>!blame ati
15:39*dpkg blames SharkMa-san and ati for all the evil in the world
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15:40<Resicons>Norgur: i think you should use the old version, a guy told me that new version doesnt work correctly
15:41<Resicons>and it's right to me
15:41<adb>Norgur: logout/login ? here 10 is ok
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15:43<Dracie>hi I just compiled a kernel module for my networking, but it says error inserting r8168.ko -1 invalid argument
15:43<Dracie>compiled with no complaints
15:43<Dracie> the instructions I am following
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15:44<Dracie>oops invalid module format i meant
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15:45<enouf>aaron_: do you notice overall system slowness? just for kicks, glxinfo | grep direct (yes? no?) -- using nvidia binary blob?
15:45<dpkg>No Offense
15:46<simonrvn>enouf: ty
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15:46<Resicons>enouf: i ques google and take some answers, they say the dll is not important, but i still encounter the error (vo). Yes, I'm learning to use wine, but it's difficult to me
15:46<TheKing>can somebody tell me how to host my website on my VPS?
15:46<TheKing>using apache web server
15:46<aaron_>enouf, aaron@elijah:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
15:46<aaron_>direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
15:46<enouf>Resicons: there's no reason to learn wine ;-)
15:46<aaron_>enouf, this seems to be a problem?
15:46<enouf>aaron_: well - it depends
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15:47<enouf>aaron_: with Xorg driver, no - since it doesn't do 3D hardware acceleration - dpkg -l libgl1-mesa | grep ^.i (pastebin)
15:48<Norgur>seems to have something to do with amd64bit and flashplayer10
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15:48<aaron_>enouf, there must be a problem then I just turned of compiz and only get 700 fps with glxgears when I should get over 10000
15:48<Dracie>sorry my irc chat program crashed
15:49<EmleyMoor>aaron_: What make of card?
15:49<aaron_>nvidia 8800 GT
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15:49<TheKing>can somebody tell me how to host my website on my VPS?
15:49<TheKing>using apache web server
15:49<EmleyMoor>Have you run nvidia-xconfig?
15:50<aaron_>dri,,,How do I enble this?
15:50<EmleyMoor>... and restarted X?
15:50<dr|z3d>TheKing: Edit apache's conf to reflect where the root of your site is.
15:50<TheKing>..yes, but
15:50<Dracie>I just made a kernel module for my ethernet controller, but it won't let me insert the module, sayings its the wrong module format -
15:50<TheKing>I don't know HOW
15:51<TheKing>I've done it before, but not recently and I cant remember
15:51<Dracie>TheKing - documentation my friend
15:51<dr|z3d>TheKing: Or alternatively move your site to the designated location., whatever suits.
15:51<dr|z3d>TheKing: Yup, plenty of Apache docs online.
15:51<dr|z3d> from memory.
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15:53<enouf>Dracie: you made it wrong .. use module-assistant for that sort of stuff
15:53<dpkg>module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare
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15:54<Resicons>i hate MPlayer, i cant understand what it want from me :(. need more time for trying
15:54<Dracie>so debian doesn't allow one to insert modules the modprobe or insmod way?
15:55<Dracie>Resicons - build MPlayer from source with support for all codecs
15:55<linux>install firefox on debian
15:55<helmut>Dracie: it does, m-a is for building modules
15:55<enouf>Resicons: if you like GUIs for that - might try totem and xine as well - but mplayer is the schiznitz :-P
15:55<enouf>Resicons: there's also kmplayer (if using kde) and gmplayer (as i think you said you used before)
15:56<Dracie><3 apt-cdrom
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15:56<enouf>Dracie: you'll never get mplayer to build with support for all codecs - most? yes - all .. not when i tried :-P
15:57<Resicons>Dracie: I got this soft from snaptic
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15:57<Dracie>well everything but propietary codecs
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15:57<enouf>Resicons: you got it hopefully from debian mirrors through using synaptic as a GUI frontend to dpkg
15:58<enouf>Resicons: although dmm is the one official mirror (besides that most of us will recommend as well
15:58<enouf>er s/official/unofficial
15:58<Resicons>enouf: yes, i'm using toterm now, gxine, and xine, i want to use command line rather than gui, but now i cant, i'm a new one in linux, trying :)
15:59<enouf>!tell Resicons -about bash faq
15:59<echostorm>finally got virtualbox working... geez. I dont suppose i could run leapord on it? I have pc hardware... i would be doing much better in my life to know how to use it
15:59<echostorm>ive lost 3 job opportunities because I only know 10.2
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16:00<Resicons>many things to learn :), thanks enouf
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16:01<enouf>Resicons: and for debian specific do '/msg dpkg grounding' and '/msg dpkg msgthebot'
16:01<Resicons>enouf: yes, i added dmm to source.list as fxiny told me before, it's good one, i think so, too
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16:01<enouf>Resicons: yes .. tis indeed
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16:03<enouf>echostorm: is there something called parallels for macintosh or something? .. i'm not sure whether you want something like QEMU or (VMWare or VirtualBox) or openvz, or xen, kvm, etc etc .. i think you'd need qemu?
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16:05<echostorm>yeah, ill have to look... this isnt a mac, but i was hoping i ccould get it to work in vm... its not looking likely though, ill keep researching
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16:14<apostle>enouf, I re-installed my linux driver
16:14<apostle>and dri is working now
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16:15<Villarroel>Everytime I reboot, "/etc/dsp" dissapears, I have to --reinstall oss-compat to make it work again.
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16:19<Resicons>i want to install javascript for mozilla-based browser, so i should install entity-javascript, right?
16:19<Resicons>anyone help me
16:20<stew>Resicons: javascript comes with the browser, there should be no need to install any additional packages
16:20<Dracie>don't you mean java?
16:20<Dracie>javascript is included in iceweasel i think
16:20<Resicons>stew: i think it's not
16:20<Resicons>Dracie: no, i mean javascript Dracie
16:20<stew>Resicons: which browser are you talking about?
16:21<stew>Villarroel: add "snd-pcm-oss" to /etc/modules to have it loaded automatically at boot
16:21<apostle>enouf, I mean I re-installed my nvidia driver and dri is working and the video is playing better
16:21<Resicons>i'm using Epiphany
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16:22<Resicons>so javascript's not listed in about:plugins page?
16:22<stew>Resicons: javascript isn't a plugin, its built in
16:23<Resicons>stew: oh, really?
16:23<Resicons>stew: thanks, i will remember this
16:24<Resicons>when i try to open this page
16:24<Resicons>this is a music site
16:24<dr|z3d>Resicons: You might want to install NoScript.
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16:24<Resicons>and i click to a song, it doesn't play
16:25<dr|z3d>It's a Firefox/IceWeasel addon. Very handy.
16:25<dr|z3d>Blocks javascript/flash/java etc until you explicitly allow it.
16:26<dr|z3d>You can whitelist sites you trust.
16:26<Resicons>yes, searching it
16:26<dr|z3d>And blacklist those you don't :)
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16:27<dr|z3d>As a side effect, you'll probably find your browsing speeds up. Less crap to load on pages.
16:27<Lenhix>NoScript is great
16:27<dr|z3d>It is, pretty much an essential addon.
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16:29<razed>Has anyone here ever used mono and apache2 to run ASP.NET web apps?
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16:33<Mat3>Hey, would anyone be able to help me with a problem that I have with Debian?
16:33<enouf>apostle: wonderful, but .. had you done the nvidia driver install the Debian way? (/msg dpkg nvidia) either time?
16:33<dr|z3d>Mat3: Just ask your question.
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16:34<dr|z3d>We don't know until you state what your problem is..
16:34<apostle>enouf, now I did not...I installed the driver from there website....which is the better on?
16:34<apostle>now = no
16:34<Mat3>Well, on startup it gives me the error Volume group "my hostname" not found
16:35<Zathras>Hi. How can I force a broken package (dependencies) in aptitude to maintain to be installed and let apt/aptitude stop wining about it?
16:35<Mat3>and also says my SATA link is down.
16:35<Mat3>right before it asks me for my passphrase.
16:36<Mat3>Once I type it in it goes along until it should go to the login prompt but it just sits there and loads.
16:36<dr|z3d>Zathras: Tried "apt-get upgrade -f" ?
16:36<Mat3>and doesn't display anything.
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16:36<Resicons>I have a problem with totern, when i open a music website, totern try to play music, but it told: "Can't parse that, no file", what's going on here?
16:37<enouf>apostle: well .. usually we tell people if they install and use their .run file or whatever, to go ask #nvidia channel for help - otherwise if you do it the debian way - many here will hlp
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16:37<Resicons>anyone can help me
16:37<enouf>s/will help .. if they can
16:37<apostle>enouf, makes sense
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16:38<apostle>enouf, I just joined the nvidia channel there is no one there
16:39<igduf>hey guys, i got a question ive got a amd turion 64 x2 laptop where i wanted to install debian-40r5-amd64-DVD-1.iso on... i burned the image correctly, but it just wont boot, is that image not bootable?
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16:39<dr|z3d>apostle: At a guess it's on a different network.. possibly freenode?
16:39<dr|z3d>apostle: At a guess it's on a different network.. possibly freenode?
16:39<apostle>dr|z3d, thanks
16:40<hal>cmom puedo canviar de canal?
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16:40<Mat3>So, any ideas?
16:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:40<Zathras>dr|z3d, will that not uninstall the broken package? (which I do not want as it is not truly broken)
16:40<apostle>enouf, what is your irc chat application? xchat
16:40<apostle>just curious if there is a better one out there
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16:40<dr|z3d>apostle: Some prefer irssi
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16:42<adb> gay ?
16:42<hal>como canvio decanal?
16:42<dr|z3d>hal: Are you coming out of the closet? There are better channels..
16:42<Resicons>igduf: i didnt use dvd but i think u should check your disk quality
16:42*dr|z3d winks.
16:43<adb>!tell igduf about laptop
16:43<dr|z3d>!tell hal about debian-es
16:43<hal> /join #gay
16:44<adb>this way ==>> exit door
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16:46<Zathras>dr|z3d, were 3 versions of libjdom-java in Debian. 1 is removed so all packages depending on it have an issue according to apt. Yet if one of the other 2 flavors of this lib are installed the packages are ok unlike what apt thinks
16:46<Zathras>btw. I am running Lenny
16:46<Zathras>so I want apt/aptitude just to shut up about this particular dependecy
16:47<dr|z3d>I guess you could try clearing out apt's cache.
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16:48<igduf>Resicons the disk quality should be fine worked for everything else too, but mayb i should wait for a friend to come online who installed this image just a week ago ;)
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16:50<Villarroel>stew: Thank you very much!
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16:54<Zathras>apt is stull fubar
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16:58<stew>Zathras: so yo uinstalled a piece of software without using a package, and you want the package manager to know this?
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16:59<stew>Zathras: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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17:00<Zathras>Hi *really* need JSPwiki which depends on (among other things) libjdom-java. so I downloaded JSPwiki .DEB from regular debian repository and dpkg -i --force-depends installed it
17:00<Zathras>now apt is fubar
17:00<Zathras>I just want to pin this package
17:00<Zathras>libjdom-java is a mess
17:01<Zathras>libjdom0-java and libjdom1-java exist too
17:01<stew>Zathras: "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f instll" will download and install the missing dependencies
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17:01<Zathras>installing one of them (preferably libjdom0-java) will allow depending sw to run ok
17:02<Zathras>this is a know issue in Debian testing (and others)
17:02<Zathras>libjdom-java is removed to be never added again until the issue of the 3 lib versions is resolved
17:02<Zathras>so it is no longer available to apt
17:03<Villarroel>Bye bye.
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17:07<kingsley>What's a good way to diagnose why an intermediate computer is dropping ping packets?
17:07<avtobiff>enouf, debian .26 has it?
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17:07<avtobiff>enouf, i cant find it
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17:08<avtobiff>enouf, i try find -name "*8101*" and it returns nothing
17:09<enouf>avtobiff: modprobe -l | grep rtl81
17:09<enouf>avtobiff: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8187.ko /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8180.ko /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/usb/rtl8150.ko
17:09<avtobiff>enouf, i can find 8180 8187 and 8150 there, all wireless. no 8101
17:10<avtobiff>but no 8101
17:10<enouf>i said that earlier
17:10<enouf>i know
17:10<avtobiff>which also is wired
17:10<avtobiff>oh, sry. didn't check the backlog just the hilight
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17:11<enouf>avtobiff: guess i was following up and forgot to highlight <enouf> i seem to have the 8180, 8187 and the usb 8150 here on my .26-1-686
17:11<avtobiff>enouf, no problem. thanks for all the help and input.
17:11<avtobiff>night :)
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17:29<lumoro>sera a tutti
17:29<dpkg>one warez list being sent to lumoro
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17:58<TheKing>How do I flush the DNS cache?
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17:59<stew>TheKing: which dns cache?
17:59<TheKing>all of them
17:59<TheKing>internet cache.
17:59<stew>TheKing: are you running a dns server?
17:59<stew>TheKing: restart your browser
17:59<TheKing>I need to flushdns
18:00<debacle>Hi all, i'm planning to by a SATA controller how can i know if it's supported by debian lenny ? (here is the product page
18:00<stew>TheKing: there isn't a dns cache, unless some appliaction you are using has one
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18:05<chealer>debacle: if and only if it is supported Linux 2.6.26, it is supported by lenny.
18:05<chealer>s/Linux/by Linux/
18:06<debacle>cheather: ok but how can i know if SiI3124 chipset is supported y 2.6.26 kernel ?
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18:08<chealer>debacle: you can use nickname tab-completion to avoid mangling the recipient's nickname. which driver(s) supports that chipset?
18:09<debacle>chealer: sorry !!
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18:33<Aura_Cabarcas>au revoir a tout le monde!!
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18:37<razed>mhutch: When trying to upgrade following the instructions on the mono-project site, I get this error: W: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
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18:43<Khwerz>razed: you need to add the signature or w/e
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18:44<stew>razed: if you want to verify those packages, follow the instructions on the instructions page on
18:44<Khwerz>razed: read the backports faq it has the instructions clear as day
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18:44<razed>Thanks, I'm new to linux... sorry.
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18:46<dr|z3d>razed: Easiest way is to download the pgp key and add it to your apt sources using synaptic, authentication section. Generally speaking. Or there's command line fu to dp the same.
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18:58<LL00>which CLI web browser you like ?
18:59<EmleyMoor>ekiga 3 ran but would not perform correctly so I rolled back
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19:12<bartleby>for some reason debian is seeing my motherboard as an intel g33 instead of a g31. is this worth worrying about?
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19:14<dr|z3d>bartleby: Seeing anything dysfunctional there?
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19:15<dr|z3d>bartleby: Put it another way, is debian working as expected?
19:16<bartleby>the internal computer speaker doesn't work, which isn't a big deal. audio is working right now but i cant see the audio card in lspci. also, audio stops working when i upgrade to lenny. im using etch at the moment.
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19:38<D1ablo>does anyone had experience with debian on sun gear?
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19:39<D1ablo>i am trying to restore a V880 :-) no is not a car
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19:41<adama>try pouring a little bit of gas in the carburetor
19:41<adama>oh wait, NOT a car
19:41<adama>never mind then
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19:48<panagos>hello, i have this problem, my opengl drivers are working fine for native code, but wine can't find it! it all happened when i installed a different version of the nvidia driver. i tried ldconfig, but it's still not working. any ideas?
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20:05<Dracie>hi, how do i rebuild my sources list?
20:05<petemc>its just a text file
20:05<petemc> /msg dpkg sources.list
20:06<Dracie>I know, but I think I deleted some lines
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20:06<Dracie>so yhea...
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20:07<craigevil>Dracie: what release are you using?
20:08<craigevil>Dracie: take a look at the Stable part
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20:12<Dracie>yeah i was missing everything but security updates
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20:15<Dracie>grrr, now resolv is haunting me, how do i set custom DNS server while using DHCP in debian?
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20:16<magicalmerlin>has any one else had issues with loading form the testing DVD?
20:16<magicalmerlin>also noticed that there are 2 testing repos which is confusing, 1 for Nov and 1 for dec
20:17<Dracie>ugh, where do i get pidgin from?
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20:17<panagos>ok, false alarm, i hadn't installed nvidia-glx-ia32 :|
20:18<magicalmerlin>hi Dracie, I am new but you can get pigion for the add remove programs
20:18<Dracie>oh, thats weird... i must not have that repo in my sources.list
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20:18<magicalmerlin>it would be system>admin>add remove programs
20:19<magicalmerlin>hmm once you down load sometimes you have to up date it
20:19<magicalmerlin>eh you have no repos?
20:19<magicalmerlin>hmm that is beyond my abillties
20:19<craigevil>pidgin is in lenny and sid, perhaps in backports in etch its gaim
20:20<Dracie>really old version?
20:20<magicalmerlin>ah ok
20:20<magicalmerlin>Darcie did you do a net install?
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20:21<IceGuest_75>This is annoying me.
20:21<IceGuest_75>I can't install php
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20:21<Dracie>nope, i did a full local install - all from disk, the default debian kernel didn't have my networking drivers, and i can't get my module i built to insmod correctly so I decided to find another ethernet card, so i am using a different one
20:21<magicalmerlin>the same thing happend to me once when I used a program called unetbootin
20:22<Dracie>yeah, it can be really annoying
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20:22<magicalmerlin>hmm well, I went for the tsting with leny
20:22<magicalmerlin>and did the net isntall
20:22<magicalmerlin>I fianlly had everything
20:23<magicalmerlin>save for my wireles card
20:23<Dracie>for school i was given a laptop i cannot hook up to their network so tahts why i have a 3 dvd set
20:23<IceGuest_75>Is there any way to install php, lighttpd and mysql?
20:23<IceGuest_75>When I do it, I get depency errors
20:23<magicalmerlin>I feel for you Darcie
20:24<Dracie>yeah, IceGuest_75 what errors?
20:24<IceGuest_75>something like mime-support [unavailable]
20:24<magicalmerlin>I couldn't , load for any of the dvds, kept getting errors and I burned em at a super low speed to
20:25<Dracie>oh, thats unfortunate
20:25<magicalmerlin>sound like you got sarge?
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20:26<magicalmerlin>Well, the first tiem taht I down loaded was from Ubotinit, and it gave me was a realy old OS
20:27<magicalmerlin>eh Uboot in it
20:27<magicalmerlin>I kewpt having al kinds of issues very much like you are having
20:28<Dracie>what is Uboot for?
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20:28<magicalmerlin>it was for an online instalation from either other linux OS or windows OS
20:29<magicalmerlin>yeah, and it booted me into the net installer and I thaugh all was going great until I was finished
20:29<enouf>i would imagine the u stands for universal
20:29<IceGuest_75>mime-support seems to be a package that's not available
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20:29<Dracie>IceGuest_75, maybe its in another repo?
20:30<IceGuest_75>...and how do I get another repo?
20:30<enouf>Dracie: use modprobe for inserting/removing modules, insmod is deprecated - doesn't handle module.deps
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20:30<magicalmerlin>any how, the way it worked is that oyu could select the OS you wanted adn then it would down load the interset isntallation for that OS and , well, it tursn out that the links were way old
20:30<Dracie>modprobe didn't work either
20:31<Dracie>FATAL: Error inserting r8168 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/net/r8168.ko): Invalid module format
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20:31<Dracie>at least i have networking now
20:31<Dracie>since i'm using some other card
20:32<enouf>Dracie: right - but we went over that before .. and i suggested you built the module wrong, and to use module-assistant
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20:32<lfaraone>Hi, is it possible to run sshd inside a chrooted system?
20:32<magicalmerlin>Darcie are you running debian or ubuntu?
20:32<enouf>so .. modprobe over insmod in that case wouldn't help
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20:33<lfaraone>(I'm trying to test an untrusted PAM module on a demo server)
20:33<enouf>lfaraone: it's possible to run toasters and jacuzzis - i don't see why sshd would be any different :-)
20:33<Morty>When one installs expect and expect-dev under Debian, why do scripts that come with get installed with an "expect_" prefix? For example, if one installs from source, one gets the script "unbuffer". If one installs from the Debian repository, it shows up as "expect_unbuffer". This breaks scripts that need to be cross-platform.
20:33<Dracie>yeah... i should spend some time getting fammilar with m-a
20:34<IceGuest_75>Hm, what file in etc do I edit to enable other repos?
20:34<Dracie>I'm running debian
20:34<Dracie>run apt-get update after you add or remove a source
20:34<lfaraone>enouf: lol.
20:35<Dracie>lol yeah, he did mention it to me earlier today
20:35<IceGuest_75>I need to get php5, mysql5 and lighttpd installed asap
20:35<lfaraone>enouf: spesifically, I start the daemon on port 2200, ssh in, authenticate, and then the connection is reset by the dreadded Peer. :)
20:35<IceGuest_75>It's just not wanting to install...
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20:36<lfaraone>Morty: because there are other applications that use that command.
20:36<enouf>lfaraone: howto explicitly - i can't say offhand .. without much consternation
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20:37<Morty>lfaraone: no, there aren't. apt-file update; apt-file search bin/unbuffer says no other packages use that file name.
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20:38<lfaraone>Morty: because the packager decided that he liked it that way.
20:38<echostorm_>hooray... my pc is running TOTALLY stable... Im so happy. everything works, so now its time to screw it all up. what do you guys hear about kde 4.2?
20:38<Morty>lfaraone: heh. OK, so is it *supposed* to be that way, due to some mystical Debian philosophy, or should I file a bug report?
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20:39<chealer>Morty: as lfaraone, there are other applications that use the same commands. for example, mkpasswd
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20:39*magicalmerlin looks at echostorm blankly and then says, its rather intersting
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20:40<Dracie>whats new in 4.2?
20:40<echostorm_>thats um....
20:41<echostorm_>supposedly a ton of bugfixes
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20:41<Morty>chealer: isn't that what the alternatives system is for?
20:41<echostorm_>from 4.1
20:41<Dracie>I can't remember if i had used it
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20:41<Dracie>how new is it?
20:41<magicalmerlin>echostorm the newer version is rather, more beautifull then the older version but still buggy
20:41<Morty>chealer: meanwhile, other packages *don't* use unbuffer, so I'm stuck having to do hackery just to use unbuffer.
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20:41<echostorm_>ahh, so trying to use it everyday would make me tear my hair out?
20:41<Dracie>is 4.2 in the repos?
20:42<IceGuest_75>There's no more repos
20:42<echostorm_>no, its not going into experimental until final... its on beta2 currently
20:42<chealer>Morty: I don't know. does expect_mkpasswd provide the same functionality as mkpasswd?
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20:42<magicalmerlin>hmm only if you have an ATI card, if you want the full bennifits of hair pulling teeth nashing, anger and then getting ptsd on top of it, well then go with and ati radeon video card
20:42<dpkg>from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
20:43<IceGuest_75>!dpkg stable
20:43<dpkg>rumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r5), or ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
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20:43<IceGuest_75>This is confusing.
20:43<magicalmerlin>aside formt hat, it work ok while I was using my navtive video card
20:43<echostorm_>ahh, i have a geforce 7900gtx in here currently but theres a radeon 3850 laying around somewhere... i could throw it in instead, if it will really make my experience that much less enjoyable
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20:44<magicalmerlin>hmm in truth I haven't tried, using KDE 4.0 since I changed over to debian
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20:45<Morty>chealer: apparently not. So should the conflict for mkpasswd spill over into unbuffer?
20:45<echostorm_>my main concern is this... can i run it and keep kde or it going to destroy 2 days of hard work?
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20:45<echostorm_>and break all my packages
20:45<echostorm_>im guessing the latter
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20:46<Morty>chealer: and if so, isn't there some other, cleaner mechanism to deal with this? Like maybe diversions?
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20:46<echostorm_>and i swear the guys in #debian-kde are zero help, im starting to think its a freakin botnet for all the activity I see.
20:47<magicalmerlin>ps I think I totaly screwed up my graphics after trying my ati radeon card......Cube gives me white screen only :(
20:48<echostorm_>ok.. that at least settles it, ill just wait and keep 3.5
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20:48<magicalmerlin>eh out on sever, and getitng breaking dishes sound
20:48<chealer>Morty: if not, then that's not what the alternatives system is for. it seems there are other issues such as weather. in the end the package doesn't seem to care much about namespace pollution, which is certainly part of the reason why they were renamed in batch (to stay consistent).
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20:49<magicalmerlin> ? eh ut on server any one else getting htat?
20:49<magicalmerlin>grr time out that is
20:50<echostorm_>no... i got there
20:50<chealer>Morty: diversions is also for files that provide a similar functionality
20:51<magicalmerlin>Failed to Connect.Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at
20:51<magicalmerlin>hmm interesting
20:51<chealer>Morty: there is no clean mechanism for that, because whatever you do, the problem that the binary's functionality is uncertain remains.
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20:54<magicalmerlin>hmm eh there is 4.1 or something for KDE now?
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20:55<craigevil>magicalmerlin: there is a backport for lenny and for sid you can install from experimental
20:55<echostorm_>heres 4.2
20:55<echostorm_>which was the scary thing i was thinking about
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20:57<echostorm_>you know... winxp really works great for video encoding through virtualbox... like WAY better than it does standalone... I dont know how this is possible, but it is
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21:01<Morty>chealer: OK, then mkpasswd has a conflict. That's still no reason to pick on unbuffer.
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21:02<echostorm_>unbuffer has a funny haircut
21:02<chealer>Morty: if there are several binaries to rename, it probably becomes better to rename them all for consistency.
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21:03<Dracie>can i have both kde 3.5 and kde 4 on the same machine?
21:04<chealer>Dracie: ask #debian-kde
21:04<Dracie>k thx
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21:05<echostorm_>the answer is looking like no, sadly
21:05<echostorm_>its an upgrade, not a seperate environment... I was researching the same thing
21:05<Morty>chealer: consistency is nice and all, but breaking existing cross-platform compatibility is bad. Other platforms name "unbuffer" as "unbuffer".
21:06<Resicons>anyone logined IRC using Gain IM ?
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21:08<Morty>chealer: thanks. Our conversation has convinced me that this is not an obvious "of course it should be this way per Debian policy" kind of thing. So I've submitted a bug report, #508320.
21:10<chealer>Morty: it seems there are yet more problems with expect. at one point it becomes better to change all binaries for consistency, and so users realize that expect doesn't feature such cross-platform compatibility.
21:10<IceGuest_75>gaim is outdated. get carrier instead.
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21:11<chealer>Morty: note that having a binary name other than upstream's isn't a bug.
21:12<Resicons>i have a problem with stardict, this dic has a function that it can pronounce the word, but it's not work, mean i cant hear anything when try to click on the button pronounce. now, I use festival package to substitute this function, still i have many probs with linux, anyone can help?
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21:25<Morty>chealer: as a user, I (1) want cross-platform consistency; and (2) expect the binaries to have the same name as upstream. :)
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21:26<Morty>chealer: why should I have to code scripts to deal with "unbuffer" on most OSs and "expect_unbuffer" on Debian? That's bizarre.
21:27<Morty>chealer: IMHO, unbuffer is so bloody useful that it should be part of the main "expect" package or even its own "unbuffer" package instead of being relegated to "expect-dev".
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21:37<Resicons>A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept.
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21:39<Resicons>have a good day everybody
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21:39<abrotman>Resicons: do you have a Debian question?
21:40<Resicons>abrotman: no, abrotman, I have many questions more than one :(
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21:40<abrotman>are any of them about debian ?
21:40<Resicons>I'm try to use linux, specially debian
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21:41<Resicons>yes, I have prob with stardict
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21:42<Resicons>the version's 2.4.8, it can't pronounce the word fron the dicts
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21:52<Resicons>I have an old computer, and it has an inner megaphone, I like the Switches function in debian (Headphone jack Sense), use this I can hear the sound from megaphone, also from headphone, windows does not have this function, or it have, but I can't see it :)
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21:54<Resicons>debian's the first distro that I used, and I've used it 1 week, not have any experience
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21:59<Resicons>can anyone tell me what's the main diffirence between debian and ubuntu? ubuntu's based on debian, right?
21:59<astronut>i beleive the word you're looking for is "speaker" not "megaphone"
21:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:59<astronut>! tell Resicons about based on debian
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22:00<Resicons>yes, speaker :), sr astronut, I'm learning english now :)
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22:00<Resicons>thank for telling
22:00<astronut>its fine, you were understood
22:00<Morty>Resicons: quite impressive for English as a foreign language. :)
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22:01<Resicons>I'm try Morty :), hope I can understand from you all
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22:02<Flinx>I've decided that Google isn't helping me
22:02<Flinx>I'm trying to check if there are better drivers for my Intel 82945G/GZ
22:02<Flinx>I'm looking for 3D
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22:06<abrotman>Flinx: which driver are you currently using ?
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22:07<chealer>Morty: I don't know about expect. (2) is reasonable, but unfortunately not always fulfilled. The goal of the Debian maintainers is not to break cross-platform consistency. Ideally, all platforms would use the same name.
22:07<Flinx>trying to figure that out
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22:10<abrotman>Flinx: dpkg -l *intel* .. you're either using the intel or i810 driver
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22:11<Flinx>I got a strange looking outout
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22:12<Flinx> -- the output
22:13<abrotman>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
22:13<judd>abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 sid: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 experimental: 2:2.5.1-1
22:14<abrotman>okay, so you're using lenny .. or sid ..
22:14<abrotman>did you check the man page for your driver?
22:14<Flinx>I'm using Lenny
22:14<Flinx>I forgot to mention that before >.<
22:14<abrotman>The driver supports hardware accelerated 3D via the Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI), but only in depth 16 for the i810/i815 and
22:14<abrotman> depths 16 and 24 for the 830M and later.
22:14<abrotman>sounds like if you let it run to 32bit, you won't get DRI
22:14<abrotman>(that's a bit odd)
22:15<Flinx>Yeah that is weird >.<
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22:17<Flinx>thanks abrotman!
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22:18<abrotman>though i thought it defautled to 24bit
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22:19<Resicons>anyone can tell me how can I found the system information such as sound driver, vga driver, network driver, etc... in debian like device manager in Windows?
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22:19<dr|z3d>Resicons: Install Gnome Device Manager. Job done.
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22:19<Resicons>thanks drjz3d
22:20<Resicons>can I use command to do this job?
22:20<dr|z3d>That's as close as it gets to Windows device manager, except all info is for display purposes only on Gnome's.
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22:21<dr|z3d>synaptic and then search for gnome device manger
22:21<dr|z3d>Easiest way.
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22:21<Resicons>you mean all info point to Gnome instead of system?
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22:21<Resicons>yes, I'm searching in synaptic
22:21<dr|z3d>No no.
22:22<dr|z3d>I mean you can't edit any values there. Just view them. No driver configuration.
22:22<dr|z3d>But you get a similar stock view of your system and its components.
22:22<Resicons>yes, I see, just a viewer
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22:23<chealer>Resicons: you could check KInfoCenter
22:23<Resicons>chealer: yes, chealer
22:24<chealer>Resicons: the video driver may be more complicated
22:25<Resicons>drjz3d: I found only 3 pakages in synaptic: evolution, gnome-mount and gnome-volume-manager, the keyword is: "gnome device manager"
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22:26<Resicons>chelaer: yes, chealer, I will pay attention to this point
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22:27<dr|z3d>I sec, Resicons, I shall hunt down more precise co-ords.
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22:28<dr|z3d>Hmm, system just flaked. Try Gnome Device Viewer.
22:28<echostorm>ooh i have a good one... aside from the usual compiz bug (disappearing title-bars) I am having a really interesting issue with kwin eating up 99% of one of my cpu's ... for no real reason, it requires a kill when I login, and occasionally ill notice it has come back and needs to be killed again.
22:28<dr|z3d>echostorm: Time to give Xfce a spin, perhaps.
22:28<Resicons>can't found Kinfocenter in synaptic :(
22:28<echostorm>however i am using compiz/emerald so where kwin even comes into play is beyond any skill,reasoning or experience i may havr
22:28<echostorm>what is xfce?
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22:29<echostorm>forget it i have google
22:29<Resicons>also not found driz3d
22:29<echostorm>isnt xfce WAY behind gnome and kde ?
22:30<dr|z3d>echostorm: Works great with Compiz, doesn't get in the way. And no.
22:30<dr|z3d>Xfce is very lightweight, yet fully featured.
22:30<Resicons>I found one, the hal-device-manager pakage
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22:32<echostorm>hmmn... how well does it play with gnome/kde apps?
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22:32<Resicons>morning paddy
22:33<Resicons>also morning here
22:33<abrotman>echostorm: how well do kde/gnome play with each other
22:33<astronut>did chrome ever get released for linux?
22:34<Resicons>oh, HAL device manager's work, drjz3d, thanks
22:35<astronut>dpkg: chrome is also an open source browser by google
22:35<dpkg>okay, astronut
22:35<dpkg>rumour has it, chrome is mozilla's version of "theme" or "skin", or an open source browser by google
22:35<abrotman>astronut: to be fair .. there are quite a few other webkit based browsers in linux
22:35<astronut>the thread/tab is interesting
22:35<abrotman>i suppose
22:36<astronut>abrotman: it has had significant media coverage
22:36<echostorm>true... I mostly use fire/weasel , k3b, deluge, kopete, many many sound appz (hydrogen/audacity/amarok/ardour), i am doing alot of video conversion on winxp through virtualbox, devede, and I play warcraft, use open office. any experience with these in xfce?
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22:36<abrotman>astronut: and? it's a wrapper around webkit
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22:37<astronut>abrotman: *shrug* - it's not any more relevent than the existing one - but feel free to drop it
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22:37<echostorm>as a side not, the addon for weasel is awesome, i highly recommend, if you dont mind moving stuff to fit the extrra controls
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22:38<abrotman>astronut: i'm just saying that if you tell someone that the underlying technology of Chrome is webkit and that Epiphany/Konqueror/Kazehakase (very buggy) all use webkit .. does it really matter?
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22:39<echostorm>abrotman, see above sorry forgot to name names :D
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22:41<echostorm>dr|zed, dang nabbit i meant you... Im slow today
22:41<abrotman>echostorm: but uh .. lastfm goes to the systray in gnome
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22:43<bartleby>can someone help me iron out a few issues with my lenny install?
22:44<echostorm>i was not aware of that... same effect, different solution.
22:44<bartleby>the resolution is wrong at the login screen. after i log in, it goes to where i set it at though
22:44<echostorm>that one makes more sense
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22:46<bjorkLinux>ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
22:46<bjorkLinux>what gives?
22:47<abrotman>did you install openssh-server ?
22:47<bjorkLinux>it doesn't let me connect OUT either.
22:48<bartleby>by looking at the xorg.log it seems that the monitor is not being detected correctly.
22:49<bartleby>im not sure though
22:49<abrotman>bjorkLinux: did you setup a firewall ?
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22:49<paddy>sorry to interrupt, guys. but i was following the post #25116 on the debian forum which is nicely explained but i still fail to play sound. and i was assuming that my "apt-get install", "alsaconf" and "dpkg-reconfigure" magic is suitable. could somebody offer a bit more guidance please?
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22:50<bjorkLinux>why the hell would i need one just to access the box sitting next to it?
22:50<abrotman>bjorkLinux: i asked if you set one up .. not that you need one
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22:50<abrotman>bjorkLinux: is one on wireless, and one wired ?
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22:50<bjorkLinux>everything's running off the same router.
22:51<abrotman>bjorkLinux: and both can browser the intarweb ?
22:51<bjorkLinux>i'm able to connect from my bsd box without a problem...
22:51<abrotman>but ssh fails miserably ?
22:51<bjorkLinux>ssh from linux to * fails completely.
22:51<bjorkLinux>ssh from bsd to bsd works without a problem.
22:52<abrotman>did you try `ssh -v <host>` ?
22:53<bjorkLinux>debug1: Connecting to [] port 22.
22:53<bjorkLinux>debug1: Connection established.
22:53<bjorkLinux>and then it just sits there.
22:54<abrotman>how long did you wait?
22:55<bjorkLinux>it normally should take a second or two.
22:55<bjorkLinux>it's still sitting there.
22:55<abrotman>that's not what i asked ..
22:55<abrotman>even if it were an rdns error .. it shouldn't take more than 30 seconds or so
22:56<bjorkLinux>it's been at least 5 minutes.
22:57<paddy>bartleby: do you have a tech doc sheet handy that came with your monitor?
22:57<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
22:57<paddy>hi RIVE
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22:59<bjorkLinux>what couild be causing it to hang?
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23:00<abrotman>bjorkLinux: see if you can get another service to work
23:00<bartleby>no i dont. etch is able to identify the monitor just fine though
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23:01<bartleby>lenny seems to be able to retrieve the maker and nothing else
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23:01<drakeman>good night people.
23:02<RIVE>Good nite drakeman.
23:02<stew>bartleby: show your your Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
23:02<bartleby>stew, ok hold on
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23:06<stew>bartleby: xorg.conf? what resolution is the correct resolution?
23:06<bartleby>i think the wrong video driver is being loaded
23:06<bartleby>1024x768 @ 75 hz is correct
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23:07<stew>bartleby: its using the 'intel' driver, which apears to be correct
23:07<bartleby>my chipset is a g31 and its saying g33
23:07<bartleby>i dont know if that really matters much though
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23:08<stew>the 'intel' driver covers all intel chips that are at all supported
23:08<stew>bartleby: this is a fresh lenny install? or an upgrade from etch?
23:08<bartleby>fresh of the downloaded cd
23:09<stew>bartleby: it appears that you have a more specific xorg.conf than would normally be installed, have you configured it by hand? or with X -configure or something?
23:09<bartleby>i haven't touched it
23:09<stew>hard to tell for sure though, since I haven't actually seen it
23:10<bartleby>other than setting the resolution to 1024*768 in gnome after my first login
23:10<stew>bartleby: can you show us your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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23:10<bartleby>it maintains that setting everytime i login
23:10<bartleby>stew, sure 1 sec
23:11<echostorm>ok so yeah, fresh install with xfce obviously. i have so many apps that i dont even know where the xfce ones are
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23:11<echostorm>so now it boils down to kde 4.2 or xfce... if it can really run compiz without ANY errors
23:12<stew>(II) intel(0): Output VGA using initial mode 1440x900
23:12<stew>bartleby: do you have multiple monitors?
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23:13<bartleby>only one monitor
23:13<bartleby>its just a little 15" lcd
23:13<bartleby>with a vga plug
23:14<stew>bartleby: yeah so for some reason, it seems to thin that your monitor is 1440x900 instead of 1024x768. the monitor is unfortunately not giving it much help
23:15<stew>bartleby: i'd recommend running "X -configure" to generate a more specific xorg.conf to try, which would have things like actual resolutions, instead of this rather empty one which causes X to try to detect stuff at runtime
23:15<bartleby>like i said, in etch it identified the monitor correct so i dont think the monitor is the issue
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23:16<stew>bartleby: yeah, it asked the monitor "what can you tell me about yourself" and instead of saying "im a 1440x960 monitor with a 60hz refresh rate", your monitor said, "my name is GEM"
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23:16<bartleby>but when etch asks its gives all the infor
23:17<stew>bartleby: right, the lenny x server doesn't, becuase for most people, it can all be determined at runtime automatically
23:17<stew>bartleby: if you have a working xorg.conf from etch, you could use it here
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23:18<stew>bartleby: if not, use 'X -configure' to generate one, then edit it as needed (if, for instance, X -configure sets it to 1440x960. you'll at least have a starting point to edit)
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23:18<bartleby>ill try that. brb
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23:23<magicalmerlin>hi stew
23:24<magicalmerlin>ist it me doing something wrong or, are some of the lenny debian dvds tricky to load and or burn?
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23:25<magicalmerlin>and yes I burn em at the lowest rate possible
23:25<devious>magicalmerlin: What do you mean by "tricky"?
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23:26<magicalmerlin>well, I down loaded debian testing DVD and Every thing burns correctly , even the checksum pans out but when it comes to the actual loading there of, well taht is hwere things fall apart
23:27<devious>magicalmerlin: It won't boot?
23:27<bartleby>when i did X -configure it identified the monitor and chipset correctly but i didn't know what to do from there so I made it my new xorg.conf but nothing changed
23:27<magicalmerlin>no it boots but then afew minutes in to the process it comes up with corupt files of variouse srts
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23:28<magicalmerlin>I am aobut to try it again here in a few minutes, it usualy happens right after the formatting process
23:29<magicalmerlin>I can reload net style if need be, could my dvd burner be dying?
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23:29<devious>magicalmerlin: Possible, but if the md5 checks out post burn that's not likely.
23:29<bartleby>it looks like maybe i need to manually enter a range of resolutions for screen:0?
23:29<stew>bartleby: now edit the xorg.conf to make 1024x768 the default resolution
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23:30<magicalmerlin>hmm ok well, Ill try it on a secondary drive and see what happens
23:30<devious>magicalmerlin: Out of curriosity are you unable to use a netinstall CD?
23:30<magicalmerlin>no I can use net instal perfectly fine
23:31<bartleby>its not showing any resolutions anywhere
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23:31<bartleby>but i think i can tinker with it from here
23:31<magicalmerlin>I know that is the way to go normally, but, if I get in into an area where I need to load form the DVD, then ouch
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23:31<devious>magicalmerlin: Maybe try that. At the very least it will save you time between burns and you can see if it's your burner or something else.
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23:32<aday>hello .verybody
23:32<bartleby>this is what X -configure yielded
23:32<devious>magicalmerlin: If you have a reliable internet connection you shouldn't need the DVD at all.
23:32<magicalmerlin>ok, well almost finsished with the 4.4 gig down load
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23:33<magicalmerlin>ah ok, yeah, I have a relaibel net connection but some freinds of mine do not
23:33<devious>magicalmerlin: Ah, okay.
23:33<magicalmerlin>eh also I realy mucked up the system trying to install my ATI drivers, Never again once I get my system back to stable will I ever use ati ever again
23:34<magicalmerlin>hmm is there a card you can recomned for under 100 bucks?
23:34<drakeman>hey guys, i really like debian, im newbie yet, but i starte with ubuntu because everyone talks about ubuntu, but debian wow, is great, im newbie yeah, but debian feels so comfortable, stable, secure, i dont had that feeling with ubuntu... dont know why, but i really like it, im using lenny right now as mhy primary os right now, with 0 problems!
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23:34<magicalmerlin>ooh ... we have a new convert
23:34<drakeman>i got answer for almost everything i need from google, or in forums, or chats like this...
23:35<stew>oh, now they are making x -configure smarter
23:35<drakeman>this is my first days in this chat, hehe..
23:35<magicalmerlin>well, this cahat is an help area, #moocows is the regualr chit chat line :)
23:36<magicalmerlin>now remeber not to tease the cows :)
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23:36<stew>bartleby: add 'Modes "1024x768"' to the Display subsection of the Screen section
23:36<magicalmerlin>and welcome, to I am a bit of a newby myself
23:36<devious>magicalmerlin: Intel cards should work "out of the box" in Debian. I run a GMA 945 on my machine. It's an itegrated card, but does just fine for most tasks.
23:36<stew>bartleby: at least to 24 and 16 bit subsections, i'd assume you are using one or the other
23:37<magicalmerlin>ah ok..yeah I have an ontergreated card as well. though dell hasn't much memory in there cards lol
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23:37<bartleby>stew, that's what i was thinking. thank you. also, my system profiler says that there is no opengl or dri for this chipset
23:38<bartleby>i thought there was though
23:38<drakeman>magicalmerlin: thanks
23:39<magicalmerlin>hmm should I recomend the following reading
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23:39<magicalmerlin>the Debian resource ok brains fried whats it called?
23:39<drakeman>i use debian to sleep too :D streaming music with audacious, and use a timed shutdown command hehehe
23:40<magicalmerlin>hehe I had mine talking once
23:40<magicalmerlin>eh fergot how I did it though
23:40<magicalmerlin>at any rate.
23:41<magicalmerlin>1:45 left ..Iam glad I have 2 hdd
23:41<magicalmerlin>to abd it can
23:41<magicalmerlin>to bad it can't make me beter at the keyobard
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23:42<magicalmerlin>hmm that is one thing I am surpirsed at no speech recognition yet
23:42<magicalmerlin>or is there?
23:43<drakeman>speech recognition where? debian?
23:43<magicalmerlin>I don't know, I was aksing the question if it even exhists?
23:44<magicalmerlin>well, hmm some ones probably coding it
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23:47<magicalmerlin>you beat me to the p unch only I found a thing with reguards to a few buggs in it
23:47<magicalmerlin>brb I have to cook an iso
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23:47<drakeman>i have to sleep
23:48<drakeman>bye bye debianist
23:48<magicalmerlin> /me waves a flipper
23:48<drakeman>mmm thats the correct way to call the people who uses debian?
23:48<drakeman>i dont know
23:48*magicalmerlin waves a flipper
23:48<drakeman>well, have to goo! good luck with the iso
23:49<magicalmerlin>gee wehre did that flipper comformMutatiting
23:49<magicalmerlin>I am mutating ergles
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23:50*magicalmerlin has lost his wirels mouse ?
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23:51<magicalmerlin>Oh tis is intersting, I see that they added a down load folder?
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23:52<bartleby>woot! problem #1 fixed! thanks guys!!
23:54<magicalmerlin>hmm I guess it would help if I had K3b
23:56<magicalmerlin>ok checking the checksum
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23:59<magicalmerlin>erg, ok I chose last used settings
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