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---Logopened Wed Dec 10 00:00:14 2008
00:00<magicalmerlin>I also checked verify data
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00:09<echostorm>hi! so I vas told dis vas de place to go fur help. I am running VinXp and I vas eating dinner vhile typing to my best gurl. a Bian from my burrito fell onto de keypad and I smashed it into de enter key. How can I get rid of De bian?
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00:10*magicalmerlin looks at echostorm ilogical behaviour from echostrm
00:11*magicalmerlin form mat das hdd
00:11<magicalmerlin>hmm the Burrito or debian?
00:12<echostorm>De Bian , I ate de burrito
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00:13*magicalmerlin looks at echostorm blankedly
00:14<echostorm>in other news... well, nothing. Its freakin the middle of the week late at night and im laid off.. so this is about all the entertainment i currently have going while all my good stuff d/l's
00:15<echostorm>unless you could magically conjure ma a 30 pack?
00:15<echostorm>uh me, not ma
00:15<magicalmerlin>hmm want to caht in #moocows
00:15<magicalmerlin>sorry to hear of the lay off
00:15<echostorm>ehh it happens.
00:16<magicalmerlin>well Santa Business isn't so hot wither
00:16<magicalmerlin>*either this elf didn't make much
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00:16<echostorm>heck no... Santas gonna get robbed this year
00:16<magicalmerlin>in general it appears that ever santas are in a finacual bind
00:17<echostorm>did you just send me to the over 40's transexual club? what the heck is this?
00:17<echostorm>yeah, elf layoffs are at an alltime high
00:17<magicalmerlin>eh that is wehre I was refered to lol
00:18<magicalmerlin>I think some one has some wierd sence of humor there
00:18<magicalmerlin>here in wa were at an alitme high of 7 percnet
00:18<magicalmerlin>so don't feel to bad eco storm
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00:19<echostorm>ahh im in NWI, you know...gary- where we all voted for obama cuz we are at 11%... try more like 16 now
00:19<echostorm>oh Northwest Indiana
00:19<echostorm>sorry, doesnt make since to someone outsde chicago :))
00:20<echostorm>yeah, i waited 6 hours at the unemployment office yesterday...yay
00:20<echostorm>only to go back friday
00:20<magicalmerlin>Hmm I kinda wonder if Iam lucky or cursed to have a dissabillity.. ok heaheading to
00:21<echostorm>but thats the life of a steelworker , right? I mean, we get laid off anyway, its part of the perk of calling yourself a steelworker
00:21<magicalmerlin>oh great
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00:21<magicalmerlin>hmm yea m father was a pipe fitter
00:21<bartleby>is movie player not able to take advantage of dual cpus?
00:22<echostorm>I just do math anyway, but its nice to give the internet persona that im big, miscled bound and mustached
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00:23<magicalmerlin>you jsut described the guy on ...Myth busters lol
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00:24<echostorm>bartleby, I know vlc does, dunno about any others
00:24<magicalmerlin>is running a hyoerthreadiung system
00:24<magicalmerlin>*hyper threading
00:25<bartleby>i need x264 support though, vlc doesnt have on debian
00:25<echostorm>hyperthreading! it does nothing :(
00:25<magicalmerlin> I want to work, nad I want a job, but there are none to be had, even Burger king and fast food hasn't had any hiring signs up lol
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00:26<magicalmerlin>ya, your telling me
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00:26<magicalmerlin>echo storm I think this is more up your ally with this person needing help, I am a baby pengiune still reading a few things
00:26<echostorm>hell, i applied to gamestop/bestbuy and a sandwich shop alongside having a tech support recruiter shop me around, and trying to use my 7337 steel skills at temp agencies... its been a month now
00:27<magicalmerlin>well i am thinking aobut renewing my C-stop card
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00:28*magicalmerlin has never heard of a X264 system befor
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00:29<echostorm>bartleby, there is technically a way to compile 264 support into vlc but all i can suggest is you google that, I am completely at a loss there
00:29<bartleby>ive read that. i dont really like the idea of comiling vlc =/
00:29<bartleby>magicalmerlin, you have a hyperthreading cpu?
00:29<echostorm>yeah, it looks like a huge pain
00:30<magicalmerlin>Yes I do,
00:30<bartleby>what kind?
00:30<echostorm>I have a hyperthreading cpu also, it works... itermittently
00:30<magicalmerlin>hmm with 64 bit abillity
00:30<echostorm>AMD X2 Black Athlon 5200 here
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00:31<echostorm>2.7ghz of watching kwin take up 99% of my cpu
00:31<magicalmerlin>hmm it came with the dell dimension 5150
00:31<bartleby>ive got a pentium d 830
00:31<Supaplex>W O W
00:31<bartleby>which i think actually has two cores? i thought it was a hyperthreaded p4
00:31<echostorm>oh dang you actually need the help... let me look harder
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00:33<magicalmerlin>hmm not sure exactly waht this intell ht processor is
00:33<magicalmerlin>some say I can add a dual core some say I can't
00:33<magicalmerlin>meh, I'l wait untill I ge tmy setlemtnt hen get a nice dual core systems
00:33<echostorm>if you get bored enough to pm me the specs ill tell you
00:34<echostorm>if its not dual core now, its not dual core, they could be talking multiple-cpu configuration
00:34<bartleby>my mac is like that
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00:34<bartleby>2 cpus on a single daughtercard
00:35<echostorm>oh see you are actually posting in #offtopic, ill have to do that on silly stuff
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00:36<magicalmerlin>hmm ok here is hte low down that I have so far, it is an intell 1.6 ghz hypertrehading CPU with 64 bit abillity
00:36<echostorm>as far as I can tell, you are SOL without recompiling and adding 264 support yourseld bartleby, I am sorry I don't have a bteer answer for you.
00:37<bartleby>thanks echostorm, i think i read that somewhere but i wanted to be sure
00:37<bartleby>echostorm, do you know how i might go about getting my temp. sensors to work?
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00:38<magicalmerlin>eh I thaught that was auto matic?
00:38<bartleby>i have no idea
00:38<snick>no clue.. .all new to me.
00:38<magicalmerlin>eh that Is I tahught temp sensors were via hardware
00:39<bartleby>in my system profiler i have a sensor that says them30c
00:39<bartleby>but thats all it ever says
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00:39<bartleby>and i dont know if that the cpu or the board
00:39<echostorm>30 is pretty rediculously lol
00:40<echostorm>id say mobo or you have a killer fan
00:40<magicalmerlin>eh not sure waht the converts to in F but.
00:40<bartleby>yeah ambient is more that 30c
00:40<bartleby>so something obviously isnt working
00:40<echostorm>thats the hot ticket right there, im working off that
00:41<echostorm>trying to get it to show in screenlets as an awesome walpapered interface though... not so easy
00:41<echostorm>im about halfway to that
00:41<magicalmerlin>ah echo sotm I have that processor data
00:41<magicalmerlin>I can Im it to ya
00:41<echostorm>go for it
00:42<echostorm>incidently, its not like i know what im doing or anything, i just happen to be getting licky the past 5 min or so with stuff i do sorta know
00:44<bartleby>i wonder if this will do it for me
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00:51<bartleby>one way to find out i guess
00:51<bartleby>well, the hard drive sensor appears to be working
00:51<bartleby>unless my cpu and case really are 30c
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00:52<bartleby>that was weird
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00:53<Solver>4 lines in a row - heinous crime :)
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01:07<echostorm>this mobo
01:07<echostorm>ahh crap wrong window, sorry guys
01:08<glax>HI guys, I am trying to configure a wireless card on a compaq. lspci -nn returns this "06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card [14e4:4311] (rev 01)", I already install bcm43xx-fwcutter and do modprobe bcm43xx but still the card is not detected
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01:10<jm_>glax: try
01:12<gsimmons>glax: For that particular card, you would want to use the b43/b43legacy drivers (instead of bcm43xx) provided to you by an etchnhalf kernel, as described on the wiki page.
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01:12<glax>thanks, I am reading right now, after update-pciids lspci-nn returns
01:12<glax>06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
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01:17<glax>I follow the instruccions, I install b43-fwcutter
01:17<glax>but when I try to do modprobe b43
01:18<glax>it return FATAL: Module b43 not found
01:19<gsimmons>glax: The module isn't present in 2.6.18. You would want to install an etchnhalf kernel image ("apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf", select an appropriate package for your CPU type), then restart your system to boot into this.
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01:23<glax>gsimmons, I do this aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
01:23<glax>after doing this, I only need to reboot and load the new kernel, or do I need to do the b43 installation again?
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01:25<gsimmons>glax: You only need to reboot, as you've already installed the firmware via b43-fwcutter.
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01:25<dr|z3d>echostorm: gnome-device-manager
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01:32<glax>gsimmons, it works great
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01:37<Patricio>hey guys.......can someone please assist me in gettin the deb package for totem?
01:38<Patricio>I am wantin to play wmv files....
01:39<dr|z3d>apt-get install totem
01:39<Patricio>I have installed the w32codecs package......and on this one begins to load a player on the home page......but it stops and goes white........really need some assistance
01:39<dr|z3d>apt-cache search totem
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01:39<Patricio>would you please visit a site for me and let me know if it loads for you?
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01:41<Patricio>it is a bass fishing site that I am a member of......and we are starting tournaments here very soon.....and also we have 1/2 hours TV shows that I am going to become a part of soon
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01:41<Patricio>and would really like to get the vids workin in debian
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01:43<Patricio>anyone? please?
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01:44<Supaplex>oh look it's a web page.
01:44<Supaplex>loads fine. the non-free video box does not
01:46<magicalmerlin> nice vids clear and crisp
01:46<Patricio>how is it possible for me to get that vid to load?
01:46<Patricio>what do I need?
01:46<magicalmerlin>its running fine here
01:46<magicalmerlin>eh not sure waht I loaded
01:47<magicalmerlin> eh I loaded the adobie flash thing from adobies sight
01:47<Patricio>adobe flash?
01:47<magicalmerlin>is it mpg?
01:49<Patricio>I am really lost.......if you could please assist and help me to figure it out, would be greatly appreciated......
01:49<magicalmerlin>ok here is what I did its sorta not the debian way
01:49<magicalmerlin>but I went to adobies sight and down loaded the eh er um..
01:50<magicalmerlin>ubuntus 8.10 versin
01:50<magicalmerlin>now Iam going to get killed lol
01:50<Patricio>could you provide a link?
01:51<Patricio>I am at the site.....but not sure where it is located
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01:52<magicalmerlin>hm ok jsut a sec
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01:53<LL00>how I can drop FIN_WAIT2 state connections?
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01:53<magicalmerlin>.deb 8.04
01:53<LL00>oh I kill the services with these sockets
01:54<LL00>they are dropping
01:55<magicalmerlin>Patrico did you get taht
01:55<Patricio>I sure moment please and let me confirm ok?
01:55<magicalmerlin>Oh and to make it easier to install you may want to load k packager
01:55<jm_>LL00: kernel will do it for you after timeout expires
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01:56<LL00>I got alot FIN_WAIT2, I killed my services which got all these FIN_WAIT2
01:56<LL00>but there is have 1
01:56<magicalmerlin>Hmm Parico , that is some great video footage did you use
01:56<magicalmerlin>erg wahts taht thing call x something
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01:57<Patricio>cant get k packager
01:57<LL00>jm_, how long it's the timeout?
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01:57<magicalmerlin>ahh eh selct all open source
01:57<LL00>5 min is enough ?
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01:58<LL00>ok last FIN_WAIT2 gone
01:58<LL00>I can start my services back
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01:58<Patricio>I do a ---- dpkg -i thefilename --- I get errors back
01:58<Patricio>what am I doing wrong?
01:58<magicalmerlin>hmm wierd
01:59<magicalmerlin>go to system>>addmin>>add remove
01:59<Patricio>file name is --- install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
01:59<magicalmerlin>eh if this gets any more complicated I can't help
02:00<magicalmerlin>ewh help
02:00<Patricio>one moment k packager
02:00<magicalmerlin>ah ok whew
02:00<magicalmerlin>Iam probably doing this the verry undebian way but
02:01<magicalmerlin>I am doing what worked for me
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02:01<jm_>LL00: you can set it via sysctl (tcp_fin_timeout)
02:01<chealer>magicalmerlin: are you sure that Adobe Flash can play that video?
02:01<jm_>LL00: default is 60s or so
02:02<Patricio>have got a few moment and let me take care of those
02:02<magicalmerlin>Iam not sure but I have adobie and it is playing
02:02<magicalmerlin>but then I have a mess of other codecs aswell
02:02<magicalmerlin>eh on the free side
02:02<magicalmerlin>its opening in cafine player
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02:03<LL00>jm_, why I fot this error message with sysctrl
02:03<LL00>sudo sysctl -a | grep tcp_fin_timeout
02:03<LL00>error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.route.flush'
02:03<LL00>net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout = 60
02:03<LL00>do you have same message?
02:03<magicalmerlin>Yeah Chealer is is running therough Kaffine jsut a sec heading there using ice weasle
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02:04<Patricio>hey chealer.......nice to see u again.....
02:04<Patricio><----- been gone for a while
02:07<jm_>LL00: yes
02:07<jm_>LL00: it's because it is not readable
02:08<magicalmerlin>well Ice weasle played it then its crashing lol
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02:09<magicalmerlin>ok in Ice wealse itis opening with Movieplayer
02:09<magicalmerlin>hmm theses are in high def
02:10<magicalmerlin>or something
02:10<magicalmerlin>208 megabytes that some seriouse band width
02:10<sheldonh>i've searched the source of dpkg, apt and aptitude for DEBIAN_FRONTEND and can't find it. what's the package that cares about this envar! :)
02:11<Patricio>magicalmerlin - there is a link on the homepage for "streaming videos"..........
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02:11<jm_>sheldonh: debconf
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02:11<sheldonh>jm_: argh! ok good. so that means dpkg will honour it too. awesomeness abounds
02:11<magicalmerlin>yeah I see it, how ever I am doing some trouble shooting seeing how it froze
02:12<magicalmerlin>I t hink my cable system is gltiching
02:12<magicalmerlin>eh ISP privider that is
02:12<magicalmerlin>hmm I wonder if My PS3 can view this sight
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02:14<magicalmerlin>eh I don't recomnd full screen lol, some pixelisation but better then MSN
02:14<oigres>Is there a text cmd to see the intensitivity of a wireless network?
02:15<oigres>s/intensitivity/signal level/
02:15<magicalmerlin>eh, that should be.. oh wait I had taht happen to me in KDE
02:15<magicalmerlin>gnome had a sensetivity thing in it
02:15<gsimmons>oigres: iwconfig
02:15<Patricio>ok....finished with k packager, got a RESULT=0 ---- but still wont load
02:16<magicalmerlin>eh have you haffine?
02:16<magicalmerlin>eh KAffine
02:16<oigres>gsimmons, other than that?
02:17<oigres>magicalmerlin, something not graphical, but text ...
02:17<gsimmons>oigres: How many do you need?
02:17<oigres>gsimmons, just one :=)
02:17<magicalmerlin>try adding kaffine
02:18<Patricio>apt-get install kaffine
02:18<magicalmerlin>what codec is his sight running?
02:18<Patricio>not sure
02:19<magicalmerlin>thats whats making this difficult
02:19<Patricio>am install it now
02:19<Patricio>what browser where you in and it loaded ok?
02:19<Patricio>which one?
02:20<magicalmerlin>ah got the coding it is WMV FFMPG
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02:20<magicalmerlin>Konqueror was the browser taht it ran in
02:20<Patricio>one sec
02:21<bartleby>how on earth am i getting a permission denied message when im trying to ./configure as root?
02:21<bartleby>and when root is the owner of the script?
02:21<Patricio>tells me 'unable to open netscape plugin'
02:22<Patricio>kaffeine is still installing though
02:22<chealer>hi Patricio. yes, it must be a while.
02:22<Patricio>ty chealer
02:22<magicalmerlin>ok Patiorco, it is Audio windows media audio (ffmpg) and then it is windows media video9 ffmg
02:22<bartleby>what is the command again to see what shell im using?
02:22<magicalmerlin>eh ffmpg
02:23<magicalmerlin>you may need to get the codecs for viewing windows media file
02:23<jm_>bartleby: echo $0
02:23<Patricio>I did
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02:23<magicalmerlin>I think that is or was in the add remove area
02:23<magicalmerlin>ah ok
02:23<magicalmerlin>are you running lenny by chance?
02:23<bartleby>i am
02:24<magicalmerlin>eh oh its set for 640x480
02:25<Patricio>IT WORKS
02:25<magicalmerlin>YAY, I finaly helped som one
02:26<Patricio>I clicked the link for the streamin vids.....and it crashed
02:26<magicalmerlin>well I was a bit unorhtadoxed but
02:26<magicalmerlin>eh run it in Konqueror
02:26<Patricio>I am
02:27<magicalmerlin>eh er try ice crashed on me big time in ice weasle
02:27<Patricio>it wont run in ice weasel
02:27<magicalmerlin>ah well there is a comon thing there
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02:28<Patricio>everytime I go to home page.....the vid loads....and and audio work great.....but I click on a link and it crashes
02:28<Patricio>my thoughts too
02:28<magicalmerlin>well hmm
02:29<Patricio>are you able to browse the site?
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02:29<magicalmerlin>mine crashes in Ice weasle but is ok in the other.. hmm any one have any thuaghts
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02:29<magicalmerlin>hmm well try restarting the system..
02:30<magicalmerlin>can't hurt
02:30<Patricio>let me do that.....will brb k?
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02:35<magicalmerlin>merlins cauking his head at the turky calls lo
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02:38<Patricio>I can watch the streaming vids........once I get to the homepage and click on "watch TV shows", the new window will open and I can open any of the vids I want, and they play perfectly.........but I must close the browser that has the homepage before doing may require a not really know
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02:39<magicalmerlin>hmm is there an update thing?
02:39<Patricio>the crash handler says it had caused a 'signal 11'....whatever that is
02:39<magicalmerlin>showing up?
02:40<Patricio>just the 'crash handler'
02:40<jm_>it means the application crashed
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02:40<Patricio>you like bass fishing?
02:41<magicalmerlin>hehe, I like a few things :) havnt bass fished, but, I have done some fishing
02:41<magicalmerlin>benn hunting and camping
02:41<magicalmerlin>erg not hunting
02:42<Patricio>I go fishing every chance I get
02:42<Patricio>or when the wife says I can........
02:42<magicalmerlin>well, Iam going to go fhisng with my step dad when I get a chance
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02:43<Patricio>come to east TN ---- best smallmouth fishing anywhere ---- especially in the winter time
02:43<magicalmerlin>eh heading to offtopic
02:43<Patricio>back to update
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02:43<magicalmerlin>ok Patrico in oftopic
02:43<Patricio>am just doing regular update and upgrade........checking that to see if it helps any
02:44<magicalmerlin>hmm taht could helpo
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02:44<Patricio>trying other browsers
02:45<Patricio>epiphany ---- no go
02:45<magicalmerlin>waht is ctcp?
02:45<Patricio>iceweasel --- it started to then it stopped.....not sure bout that now
02:46<magicalmerlin>yeah the same thing with mine
02:46<magicalmerlin>I think i has something to do with ice weasle , I'll leave taht to so me that knows more of that
02:46<Patricio>ctcp --- client to client protocol
02:47<magicalmerlin>stop waht bunchal?
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02:48<team>bhunchal - bot?
02:48<magicalmerlin>not sure it jsut said stop
02:49<magicalmerlin>never head a bot say stop befor
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02:50<magicalmerlin>hmm team you human or bot?
02:50<team>maybe he means invoke-rc.d bhumchal stop ?
02:50<magicalmerlin>never mind
02:50<magicalmerlin>i am half asleep
02:51<magicalmerlin>ah what does that mean?
02:51<jm_>man invoke-rc.d
02:52<magicalmerlin>eh ok that was my first time hearing of that command reference
02:52<magicalmerlin>well, i am getting sleppy, i am heading off line
02:53<Patricio>thanx for your help
02:53<magicalmerlin>np, maybe some one here can help you get you up and running bewtter then me :)
02:54<magicalmerlin>I asm just a fledgling penguin :)
02:54<magicalmerlin>night all:)
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02:55<bartleby>anybody here have dual cpus or dual cores?
02:55<Patricio>u mean dual boot sys?
02:56<jm_>no doubt some people have it
02:57<bartleby>im getting this really strange pattern of cpu activity during certain tasks and i wanted to see if other people have observed it also
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03:00<bartleby>the graphs of activity for the two cpus are the inverse of one another
03:00<bartleby>and sometimes they cros and alternate
03:04<bartleby>does that make sense?
03:05<bartleby>the plots are like mirror images of one another
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03:06<jm_>you mean when one goes up, the other goes down, and vice versa?
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03:17<jm_>that's just scheduler moving it from one core to another I suppose
03:18<bartleby>i thought they were supposed to work together
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03:20<jm_>they do - if you have more tasks that need CPU, they will be delegated to each core
03:23<bartleby>do you know how i can tell if my gpu supports opengl? i mean, i know it does but i dont know how to check in debian if its actually enabled
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03:28<jm_>bartleby: run glxgears
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03:29<bartleby>what does it do?
03:30<bartleby>is it just a test?
03:30<bartleby>mesa is what actually provides opengl functionality on debian right?
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03:36<jm_>yeah it's a demo app
03:36<jm_>it depends on your hardware
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04:02<Bomfunk>hello guys. does somebody knows how to change scroll speed? it seems to be too fast.
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04:05<jm_>scroll speed for what?
04:05<jm_>you mean pointer movement or what?
04:06<Bomfunk>no, I mean scroll speed
04:07<Bomfunk>there is a line on touchpad that allows to scroll as wheel on mouse
04:07<Bomfunk>but it is too sensitive
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04:07<jm_>synaptics driver has many tuning knnobs if that's what you're using
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04:08<simonrvn>there's utilities for that
04:08<jm_>man synaptics synclient etc.
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04:08<Bomfunk>ok, I'll try that, thanks.
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04:23<Osaris>how do i search for something like this in grep
04:23<kon>grep 'something like this' file
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04:24<Osaris>Dec 09" ""
04:24<Osaris>i tried zgrep *"Dec 09" |zgrep "" /var/log/mail.log
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04:26<simonrvn>grep -E "(Dec 09|" /....
04:26<jm_>zgrep 'Dec 09.*' bla
04:26<jm_>or simonrvn's version, no idea what you actually want
04:26<blockowitsch>jm_: isn't grep too greedy to match this?
04:26<simonrvn>i suspect he wants your version
04:27<jm_>glark can also be used to search with more powerful conditions
04:27<jm_>blockowitsch: ehh?
04:27<kon>also the question is if the quotes are part of what you want to match
04:27<blockowitsch>wouldn't the .* already consume the
04:27*simonrvn didn't see the point of using zgrep on an un-gzipped file
04:28<jm_>blockowitsch: naah
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04:30<blockowitsch>true, just tested it :D
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04:30<blockowitsch>i thought grep would be greedy
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04:31<Osaris>thanx guys
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04:41<Osaris>zgrep cause in actual its a .gz file
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04:43<Osaris>with zgrep -E "(Dec 9|" "mail.log."* i till get some unwanted results
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04:45<Osaris>what i need is all the mail logs for on Dec 9
04:45<Osaris>but am gettting all that happened on Dec 9
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04:49<blockowitsch>try jm_'s regex
04:52<kon>| is used for alternation
04:52<kon>so it matches either Dec 9 or
04:52<kon>sorry | :P
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04:53<|>It's surprising how little I'm highlighted with this nick... I'm joined to quite a few coding channels.
04:53<|>irssi highlight perlfu ftw. ;)
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05:07<mohammed>hi there, I am asking about Debian on Itanium, is it stable enough to be deployed for heavy production environments
05:07<jm_>why wouldn't it be?
05:08<mohammed>is it comparable to Debian on SPARC, I already have SPARC machines that runs solaris
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05:19<Internat>its possible to mount a flatfile as a file system right? dd a file to say 10gig, and then put a fs in it, and then mount that right?
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05:21<Internat>so woudl it therefor be just as possible to make that fs encyrpted via dm-crypt or something simular?
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05:22<jm_>look at loop-aes for example, or truecrypt
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05:35<Internat>hmm 2.6.18.. time to upgrade me thinks
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05:38<sheldonh>i wish the author of proftpd would declare himself a nazi or kill his wife or something
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05:55<paddy>a sorry to all people who would feel like accepting an appology from a person like me
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06:04<enouf>sheldonh: maybe you can convince them to use windows .. or worse... embrace the bsd licensing nonsense :-P
06:05<sheldonh>sadly, a bsd license would not deter use
06:05<sheldonh>with proftpd, can i only chroot for users who authenticate using mysql, and do no chroot for users who authenticate using pam/unix?
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06:12<sheldonh>*sigh* nope. this insane environment will need mod_vroot
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06:18<enouf>sheldonh: is schroot any help?
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06:20<sheldonh>enouf: never heard of it?
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06:21<enouf>!info schroot
06:21<sheldonh>enouf: can proftpd exec an arbitrary chroot wrapper, though?
06:21<enouf>no idea
06:21<dpkg>schroot: (Execute commands in a chroot environment), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 633 kB, Installed size: 1684 kB
06:22<enouf>po' dpkg .. using find and info with her really seems to be .. er taxing :-/
06:22<kon>sheldonh, proftpd chroot should also work without the mysql backend!
06:23<sheldonh>kon: erm, yes. that's not the issue
06:23<sheldonh>kon: basically, someone smoked a lot of crack and designed an ftp solution that effectively forces the use of mod_vroot\
06:24<sheldonh>kon: i was hoping to avoid it. but it appears today is not my lucky day
06:24<sheldonh>kon: tomorrow's not looking good either
06:24<kon>if you ask me i wonder why the ffff ftp even still exists :P
06:25<kon>it's like a punch in the face everytime i have to use it
06:25<sheldonh>kon: tell me about it
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06:37<enouf>sheldonh: so i gather vsftpd is not a viable alternative?
06:38<sheldonh>enouf: oh, it's on the cards. just not in this sprint :)
06:39<enouf>i see
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06:40<stevecotton_>sprint? Are you doing agile development without the agility to change the tools used?
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06:42<sheldonh>stevecotton_: nope. we're doing agile development with a mountain of technical debt to deal with. in this sprint, we're "securing proftpd" (hahaha). in a later sprint, we'll rip apart all the infrastructure that got built up around proftpd and put vsftpd in (or convince marketing to discontinue ftp) :)
06:42<sheldonh>stevecotton_: dunno if "development" is the word for this. system engineering? *shrug* whatever, i think we're on the same page :)
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06:43<sheldonh>stevecotton_: scrum works surprisingly well for proactive system administration. the reactive guys are having trouble adapting it for their workload
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06:58<digitaloktay>can i use iceweasel-2 on unstable
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07:02<digitaloktay>jm_: or can i use debian backports
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07:02<jm_>digitaloktay: what are you trying to do?
07:03<digitaloktay>iceweasel-3 is hanging up my system
07:03<blockowitsch>digitaloktay: is it freshly installed?
07:03<onur>Hi. I am trying to use dget for my package pem in mentors. When i trying to: dget It's saying: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Validation FAILED!! After downloaded dsc file i am verifing with gpg it's working fine: gpg: Signature made Thu 30 Oct 2008 10:47:54 PM EET using DSA key ID 900CB80C gpg: Good signature from "Onur Aslan. Why dget doesn't working?
07:03<digitaloktay>i have a PIII, 1 Ghz, 1,5 GB Ram
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07:04<blockowitsch>check if ~/.mozilla has proper owner and group
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07:04<blockowitsch>digitaloktay: in lenny i always had the problem that ~/.mozilla was owned by root
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07:05<blockowitsch>onur: are you registered at debian mentors and do you use correct key?
07:06<onur>blockowitsch: i registered mentors 2 years ago and i changed my key in this time
07:06<blockowitsch>digitaloktay: or do you mean that it's just slow?
07:06<blockowitsch>digitaloktay: maybe i understood that wrong
07:07<blockowitsch>onur: then you propably have to update your key on debian mentors
07:07<onur>ok thanks blockowitsch
07:07<digitaloktay>blockowitsch: its slow and my system is hanging up when i visit a flash site
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07:08<jm_>digitaloktay: firefox 2 is only available in oldstable
07:08<digitaloktay>in etch
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07:09<jm_>no, etch is stable, not oldstable
07:09<digitaloktay>sarge is oldstable
07:09<jm_>ahh no I am a moron, yeah it's in etch
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07:10<sheldonh>suggestions for a cool ipv6 aware version of ipcalc?
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07:11<jm_>try sipcalc
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07:14<sheldonh>jm_: ah. a search for ~Gprotocol::ipv6 revealed it in the list, but i assumed it was voip-related :(
07:14<turban>digitaloktay, have you installed some add-on of iceweal?
07:15<sheldonh>jm_: perfect, thanks
07:15<digitaloktay>turban: no addons, only plugins
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07:16<turban>digitaloktay, you can try to purge remove iceweal, and then reinstall. The crash may be caused by some plugin, just my guess.
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07:19<enouf>digitaloktay: you might want to try midori since you are using unstable - also - yeah, likely some flashcrapoopshit issue - /msg dpkg flashplugin-nonfree
07:19<digitaloktay>turban: these are my plugins, Shockwave Flash, Adobe Reader 8.0, Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_10-b33, Helix DNA Plugin: RealPlayer G2 Plug-In Compatible, DivX Browser Plug-In, QuickTime Plug-in 7.4.5, RealPlayer 9, Windows Media Player Plug-in, mplayerplug-in 3.55,
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07:19<enouf>or ... just use windows already .. heh
07:20<jm_>digitaloktay: try the bare browser without any of those, if it doesn't hang, you know where to look
07:21<themill>also try a fresh profile.
07:22<turban>digitaloktay, I have no idea about these plugins, I used to install a filter plugin which always cause crash of iceweal.
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07:26<sheldonh>i hope the people behind APT get virgins in heaven
07:26<sheldonh>or whatever they're into
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07:29<digitaloktay>iceweasel cpu usage 73.9 % :S
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07:39<enouf>bloat bloat bloat your bloat .. gently down bloat stream ...
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07:40<sep>sheldonh, i think that's pretty much guaranteed
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07:45<Baggy2>Hey guys! How do I remove a debootstrapped chroot? I tried deleting the directory, but the proc dir wont be removed.. suggestions?
07:45<jm_>umount it?
07:46<enouf>how and when did you mount /proc? during the chroot? or did you bind mount it prior?
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07:49<Baggy2>jm_ & enouf: Thanks, I got it now =)
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08:00<dennis>heh guys
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08:02<sheldonh>not a whole lot of documentation out there on ip6.addr zone files :)
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08:08<petemc>the oreilly dns and bind book covers it
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08:32<supaman>hey, I can't start X any more after a dist-upgrade in sid ... the xorg log file with the fail is at
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08:33<supaman>and my xorg.conf file is at
08:33<supaman>I have tried both the i810 and intel drivers, same result
08:34<supaman>any idea if this is a known problem (and then with a solution)?
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08:34<kon>supaman, try putting those options in your device section:
08:35<kon>let me know if it solves the lockup
08:36<[c0re]>anyone can help me with ??
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08:37<supaman>kon: does it go in the module section or the device section?
08:37<supaman>device section :)
08:37<kon>correct :)
08:37<supaman>I should read before I ask :)
08:37<[c0re]>anyone can help me with ??
08:37<gsimmons>[c0re]: You need help with a 3 year old problem on Fedora?
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08:38<[c0re]> % glxgears
08:38<[c0re]>NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied).
08:38<[c0re]>NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied).
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08:38<[c0re]>i am getting this error on debian
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08:39<[c0re]>when i chmod its got fixed
08:39<jm_>[c0re]: debian's nvidia packages fix this in /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel - i.e. add yourself to group video
08:40<supaman>kon: nope, did not work
08:40<[c0re]>jm_, i am member of video grub
08:41<[c0re]>jm_, do i need to modify /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel?
08:42<jm_>[c0re]: what are permissions/ownership on the files then (/dev/nvidiactl)?
08:42<[c0re]>jm_, same as this
08:43<[c0re]>every time i do chmod go+rw /dev/nvidia* to make it work without root
08:43<jm_>[c0re]: run "/etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel start"
08:44<jm_>did it fix permissions?
08:44<[c0re]>crw-rw-rw- 1 root 44 195, 255 2008-12-10 18:18 /dev/nvidiactl
08:45<jm_>why does it say 44 and not video? and the script sets it to 660 - what is in /etc/default/nvidia-kernel ?
08:45<jm_>ahh no of course, it only does that if files don't exist
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08:45<jm_>[c0re]: if it changes once you fix it, then you need to find out when that happens
08:46<jm_>[c0re]: your file has wrong ownership
08:46<enouf>[c0re]: did you use installer? or the debian way?
08:46<[c0re]>debian way
08:47<jm_>that looks fine, I recommend you remove the files an run the init.d script again
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08:47<[c0re]>sorry the video group's id was 1001
08:47<[c0re]>i changed it to 44
08:47<[c0re]>crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 195, 255 2008-12-10 18:18 /dev/nvidiactl
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08:48<jm_>right, if that ever changes you need to figure out when it happens
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08:48<[c0re]>i created that group by myself
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08:49<[c0re]>jm_, should i restart to check?
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08:49<jm_>[c0re]: you just added group video?
08:49<blockowitsch>is it somehow possible to view the raw mouse (touchpad) events that come in from the hardware?
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08:50<[c0re]>with group id 44
08:50<blockowitsch>my left touchpad button stopped working some weeks ago and i would like to know if it's a hardware or software problem
08:50<jm_>group video should exist already, your system must be really messed up
08:50<[c0re]>i guess
08:50<jm_>blockowitsch: you can use evtest or xev
08:50<[c0re]>maybe after sudp apt-get upgrade :P
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08:51<blockowitsch>jm_: where to find that?
08:51<[c0re]>ok brb
08:52<[c0re]>gotta restart
08:52<blockowitsch>can't find a package that is named like that
08:52<jm_>!tell blockowitsch -about search
08:52<jm_>blockowitsch: those are file names, not package names, so make sure to use the right search tool (you most likely have xev installed already)
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08:53<blockowitsch>jm_: sorry, you're right i already have that
08:54<nethunter>I'm a bit stuck with trying to learn how to make Debian packages... They always end up empty.
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08:55<jm_>!tell nethunter -about nmg
08:55<deniz>im using etch and would just like to no if it is possible to change the gnome foot logo to the debian logo for the menu
08:55<nethunter>jm_: Thanks.
08:55*nethunter goes to read some more
08:56<jm_>nethunter: feel free to ask specific questions if you have them
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08:57<nethunter>jm_: OK, a specific question, in debian/rules, I see some packages put dh_installdirs commands in the install: section, after the make install. Do I need to do that? I generated the package with dh_make
08:58<nethunter>jm_: Tried adding dh_installlibs usr/libs, but still the package has no data, though debian/tmp/ has the whole source compiled and installed.
08:58<sep>nethunter, tried man debhelper ?
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08:59<nethunter>sep: nope, gonna try that.
08:59<[c0re]>thanks its working now :D
08:59<jm_>nethunter: that depends on how your software installs stuff
08:59<nethunter>jm_: It uses jam instead of make...
09:00<[c0re]>12228 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2445.527 FPS
09:00<nethunter>jm_: What do you mean how it installs stuff?
09:00<[c0re]>XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
09:00<[c0re]> after 76 requests (76 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
09:00<[c0re]>i am getting this error now
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09:05<jm_>nethunter: for example, your install target may use install -d ... or if it doesn't you can use dh_installdirs, you can also use it to create additional dirs not created by install target, but that are needed by your package
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09:05<jm_>nethunter: man dh_installdirs - those docs that dpkg mentioned will also discuss this
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09:07<nethunter>jm_: thanks
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09:08<Patricio>I know to some this may be something very simple, but I am having a difficult time figuring it out. I am wanting to set kaffeine as my default player, the file I am wanting to open is giving me a prompt that tells me that the file is likely a video-xs-wmv file and also says that the default player is 'movie player'.......I have went into control center and set kaffeine to be the top choice for that particular file type, but in
09:08<Patricio>the prompt it is still telling me that default player is movie player......can someone help me out?
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09:09<jm_>are you using KDE?
09:09<Patricio>yes I am
09:09<jm_>you can also ask in #debian-kde
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09:13<polywaffle>I scoff at CD Audio protection
09:13<polywaffle>CD2OGG ftw
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09:13<polywaffle>CDDA2OGG I mean
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09:13<cahoot>not abcde?
09:14<Patricio>no help there
09:15<cloffy>Hey, guys, I installed compiz on my Lenny "apt-get install compiz", but it was weird and I want to remove it. I sort of did "apt-get remove compiz" and everything else that is "compiz*", but still "locate compiz" gives me a long list of files
09:15<cloffy>how do I remove all of it? (*noob alert*)
09:15<blockowitsch>try to purge it
09:15<cloffy>umm... what? :p
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09:16<polywaffle>why that cahoot?
09:16<blockowitsch>apt-get purge compiz
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09:16<cahoot>polywaffle: just a personal favourite
09:16<shankazulu>cloffy: dpkg -l | grep "compiz" follow by apt-get remove "compiz-packages"
09:16<blockowitsch>cloffy: it will also remove things like configuration files
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09:16<polywaffle>oh ok
09:16<kon>it's apt-get remove -purge
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09:17<cloffy>thx, shankazulu, blockowitsch , let's try that
09:17<cloffy>purge don't work
09:17<shankazulu>use --purge option as well
09:17<polywaffle>thanks for the tip cahoot
09:17<jm_>cloffy: don't forget that locate may be reading from old database
09:17<polywaffle>looked it up in aptitude
09:18<shankazulu>do as root, updatedb and run locate
09:18<cahoot>polywaffle: simple and trustworthy
09:18<cloffy>shankazulu, nope, still there
09:18<deniz>is there a way to convert normal images to .svg so that i can use them as icons on my panel?
09:18<polywaffle>just some of the gui front ends are no good
09:18<shankazulu>what kind of files?
09:18<polywaffle>so I avoid front ends cahoot
09:18<polywaffle>ive started using cli type tools
09:19<kapil>deniz: try potrace
09:19<deniz>o wait it DOESNT have to b svg tho?
09:19<polywaffle>like for burning isos I used wodim
09:19<cahoot>polywaffle: no need for else
09:19<kapil>svg if you want your icons to be scalable.
09:19<jm_>[c0re]: what about it?
09:19<polywaffle>tbh im sick of all the crappy gui front ends cahoot
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09:20<[c0re]>jm_, is there any error on log?
09:20<cloffy>shankazulu, it finds compiz-gtk and compiz-plugins as still installed, but trying to apt-get remove them, apt says they are NOT installed :-/
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09:20<polywaffle>I mean im using Xchat for this
09:20<polywaffle>but id sooner use irssi if I didn't have X
09:20<cloffy>"Package compiz-gtk is not installed, so not removed"
09:20<polywaffle>I really only have X for emails and Openoffice
09:20<blockowitsch>cloffy: as jm_ said, update your locate db before you continue.
09:21<cloffy>I did
09:21<blockowitsch>ah ok
09:21<shankazulu>cloffy: run dpkg -l | grep "compiz" to see what is installed
09:21<cloffy>shankazulu, compiz-gkt and compiz-plugins
09:21<cloffy>but apt won't REMOVE them
09:21<cloffy>it says there are none
09:21<shankazulu>what's the output?
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09:22<cloffy>cloffy@ipek:~$ dpkg -l | grep "compiz"
09:22<cloffy>rc compiz-gtk 0.7.6-7 OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk
09:22<cloffy>rc compiz-plugins 0.7.6-7 OpenGL window and compositing manager - plug
09:23<polywaffle>pastebin mate
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09:23<cloffy>cloffy@ipek:~$ sudo apt-get remove compiz-gtk
09:23<cloffy>Reading package lists... Done
09:23<cloffy>Building dependency tree
09:23<cloffy>Reading state information... Done
09:23<cloffy>Package compiz-gtk is not installed, so not removed
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09:24<carbono>alguien habla español
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09:24<jm_>[c0re]: nothing major no
09:24<polywaffle>lesson learned?
09:24<polywaffle>hey jm_
09:24<[c0re]>hmm thanks jm_
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09:24<shankazulu>cloffy: your files are not installed
09:25<craigevil>cloffy: try apt-get purge compiz*
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09:25<shankazulu>there are no "ii" in your dpkg -l
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09:25<craigevil>the files showing up are just the config files, if you removed compiz its gone
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09:26<polywaffle>why not just remove any file referring to compiz???
09:26<nethunter>jm_: Thanks a lot, I think I figured it out.
09:26<cloffy>shankazulu, what do you mean - "not installed" - what do I do about it then? :p
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09:26<shankazulu>cloffy: "ii" - installed package, "rc" - configuartion files
09:26<cloffy>polywaffle, is that a good idea?
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09:26<polywaffle>well if u do it in a controlled manner, I guess so
09:26<polywaffle>i.e. know what u are deleting
09:26<shankazulu>hey craigevil lol
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09:26<blockowitsch>don't remove it by hand if you can do it the right way with apt-get
09:27<polywaffle>yes, blocko is right
09:27<polywaffle>do it that way first
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09:27<[c0re]>please read
09:27<polywaffle>purge *should* do it
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09:27<cloffy>well, purge dropped a billion lines about "Note, selecting fort77 instead of fortran77-compiler" and the like...
09:27<blockowitsch>cloffy: as already said several time by several users ;) --> apt-get purge compiz-gtk
09:27<craigevil>better yet just dont worry about it, they are just config files
09:28<blockowitsch>and apt-get purge compiz-plugins
09:28<cloffy>blockowitsch, "Package compiz-gtk is not installed, so not removed"
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09:28<blockowitsch>when doing apt-get remove or apt-get purge?
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09:29<blockowitsch>and with compiz-plugins?
09:29<deniz>i have a file in a certaain location and want to copy paste it to another location using terminal: how exactly do i use cp to do that?
09:29<blockowitsch>cloffy: can you show us the output of locate (use a paste board)
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09:30<cloffy>sorry, what is "a paste board"? (plain ctrl+v will kick me)
09:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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09:30<deniz>o nvm i got it it's cd to location the cp filename directoryyouwanttopasteito
09:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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09:31<shankazulu>cloffy: your dpkg -l output showed the two compiz packages as being removed and only configuration files remaining, i.e. "rc"
09:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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09:31<cloffy>shankazulu, that might be it
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09:32<cloffy>I'm too stoned right now :D I just realized that many of the files on "locate" are from another partition, from my Ubuntu :D
09:32<sheldonh>"ignoring out-of-zone data" from bind isn't quite so easy to diagnose as it used to be with ipv4 :)
09:32<cloffy>but still - apt-get remove compiz<TAB> gives me gtk and plugins
09:32<Miles_Teg>good afternoon, I have a problem starting XP 32 under grub2 in Lenny/Sid AMD64. No help from the web until now
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09:32<cloffy>compiz-gtk and compiz-plugins that is - as options
09:33<Miles_Teg>first it recursed the own grub in the chainloader
09:33<craigevil>thats just bash history
09:33<Miles_Teg>now it just reboot the machine
09:33<cloffy>cool, thx
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09:34<cloffy>umm... and another thing - Thunderbird isn't in the Debian repositories, is it?
09:34<craigevil>Miles_Teg: why are you using grub2?
09:34<craigevil>cloffy: its called icedove
09:34<cloffy>iceweasel... ok
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09:35<polywaffle>that is a case for RTFM isn't it with GRUB?
09:35<cloffy>btw, is it normal that a fresh Debian standard install is like 3GB or smth? I expected it to be smaller
09:35<cloffy>or is it gnome who's that fat?
09:36<craigevil>cloffy: with gnome that probably about right although you probably have a lot of crap you could get rid of
09:36<craigevil>my debian lenny install on my Eee with kde is a little over 2gb
09:36<cloffy>btw, how do I uninstall parts of openoffice?
09:36<Miles_Teg>good question, I give it a try in the reinstall, but grub too is broken here, even after I completely purged grub2 grub-pc and grub common, and hand deleting the eventual folders remaining
09:36<cloffy>like Calc and Base and crap I don't need
09:36<shankazulu>full gnome standard install is probably less than 3GB
09:37<cloffy>shankazulu, well, a bit less
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09:37<craigevil>yes but choosing things like desktop,base. etc add to the size
09:37<craigevil>cloffy: my suggestion would be to use synaptic
09:37<cloffy>I installed the system on a flash drive and gave the system a 3.6GB partition and was surprised to find only like 700 something MB free after install
09:38<cloffy>craigevil, thx, let's see
09:38<shankazulu>craigevil: don't let rickh hear your suggestion! lol
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09:38<craigevil>one of these he will get banned form for being the ass that he is
09:39<cloffy>btw, how do synaptic's "remove" and "complete remove" differ?
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09:39<craigevil>competly remove purges
09:39<cloffy>how does "complete removal" judge what else to remove?
09:39<cloffy>excuse my noobness, but - what does purge do?
09:39<cahoot>conffiles too?
09:39<craigevil>it does the same as apt-get purge, apt=get remove leaves config files purge gets rid of them
09:40<Miles_Teg>yes, purge remove everything, including the configurations
09:40<cloffy>hey, when I attempt to remove, say, Calc, synaptic says it needs to uninstall as well - wtf!
09:40<cloffy>thx, craigevil
09:41<craigevil> is just a metapackage let it go
09:41<cloffy>let's try
09:41<craigevil> Installed: (none)
09:42<Miles_Teg>well, back to the searching and thinking. This issue of mine is a common one, it seems. have a good day everyone
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09:43<cloffy>how sad, removing all those parts of openoffice only removes about 37MB
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09:44<craigevil>cloffy: try using debfoster and deborphan to get rid of junk you dont need
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09:45<cloffy>craigevil, those are installable packages?
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09:48<craigevil>cloffy: you might also take a look at
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09:49<cloffy> craigevil, interesting.. thx
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09:49<nethunter>If packaging a library, do I need to package the .dbg files?
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09:51<shankazulu>cloffy: also
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09:52<cloffy>shankazulu, thx, I'll try and check it all out
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09:54<craigevil>hm fine tuning,, speeding up>
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09:56<cloffy>btw, craigevil, if one was to uninstall GNOME to put up another window manager up, would that mean that all the applications also have to go?
09:57<craigevil>gnome apps with work in kde/xfce etc
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09:58<craigevil>if your worried about space/speed you should try something light like lxde/openbox
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09:58<AndreMilton>hy all
09:58<cloffy>craigevil, I used to think that I would go hardcore on efficiency, but I discovered that I DO enjoy having a nice desktop :D
09:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 400] by debhelper
09:59<AndreMilton>anybody know how to navigate through the rows with the top command
09:59<AndreMilton>sorry not the rows the lines :)
09:59<craigevil>lxde is very nice and a lot lighter than gnome/kde, im a kde whore its all i use on my desktops but on my Eee i use lxde its lighter and faster
10:00<cloffy>craigevil, but can you tweak it around as nice as gnome? I like to customize the looks a lot :)
10:00<shankazulu>cloffy: if reinstalling, i suggested that you do a minimal installation and do not check the "standard" in the task list. after installation install xorg and a light weight wm like fluxbox, openbox etc
10:00<cloffy>yeah, shankazulu ...
10:01<shankazulu>cloffy: all of that will be less than 2GB
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10:03<cloffy>shankazulu, but I'm so noob I'm afraid I won't find my way around in the not-that-popular DMs
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10:03<cloffy>I mean - help online and such
10:04<cloffy>yeah, and it's a shame that even GNOME doesn't have true transparency :p
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10:06<shankazulu>there is true transparency in Enlightment (E17) wm. well it's strictly not a wm, it's a shell and it's very fast
10:06<cloffy>and I'm not sure if I want to have my desktop look like an 80's TV show computer
10:06<Baggy2>Is it possible to figure out what version of glibc a library has been compiled agains?
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10:07<Baggy2>and also what version libc.a is?
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10:07<Baggy2>when the file is copied from a different system
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10:08<cloffy>OK, if I get my courage to do it - after the minimal install, do I just apt-get install icewm or lxde or such?
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10:08<craigevil>lxde is not in etch, but if your installing testing its there i think
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10:09<cloffy>I'm on lenny
10:09<shankazulu>Blaggy2: do like apt-rdepends –reverse –follow=nano nano
10:09<cloffy>because etch's apps seemed way old
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10:09<shankazulu>Blaggy2: to check version: apt-cache policy nano
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10:12<cloffy>and... do all the standard applications like ... XChat, openoffice, firefox/iceweasel and such run on the lightweight DMs?
10:12<shankazulu>cloffy: yes
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10:14<cloffy>and when installing, say, lxde, it is going to install all the buch of it's "included" apps, won't it?
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10:15<craigevil>it doesnt have many apps, just things like lxpanel lxappearance etc its really light
10:15<erKURITA>normally, it would
10:15<cloffy>normally... and how do you bypass the "normality"?
10:15<cloffy>or is there no need to do that?
10:16<shankazulu>cloffy: personally i use fluxbox and sometime awesome window managers.
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10:17<cloffy>huh, the fake transparency annoys me :p
10:18<erKURITA>you guys hooked me up on trying lxde
10:18<erKURITA>I'll be back in a sec, probably
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10:18<cloffy>shankazulu, aren't things like Fluxbox impossible for noobs, who won't get they way around without fancy menus?
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10:19<shankazulu>cloffy: it's not impossible. see:
10:19<erKURITA>wait wait
10:20<erKURITA>it's using GDM ?
10:20<shankazulu>GDM is just a login manager
10:20<shankazulu>GDM = Gnome Display Manager
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10:21<cloffy>I guess there is no real way to choose between the DMs without having used them all, now is there?
10:21<erKURITA>I thought it would have its own display manager
10:22<erKURITA>I don't like the task bar at all :X
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10:23<shankazulu>i don't think that lxde has its own DM...but if you want one, you can install GDM (or KDM etc)
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10:24<cloffy>shankazulu, this I didn't understand. WHat do you mean - it doesn't have it's own DM? Isn't it a DM itself? :-/
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10:24<cloffy>what is it then
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10:24<erKURITA>It's a desktop environment
10:24<shankazulu>DM is just a login manager to login in X sessions
10:24<sd_>Hello! Pls help me with Samba. The problem is I need to migrate from FC7 to Etch. I configured Samba accordingly like it was in old system, but it doesn't work like it should. We have no NT domain controller, just simple workgroup and usernames and passwords on win-machines are corresponding ones on Etch system. When I look through /var/log/samba/log.smbd, there are messages like: create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create Administrators, create_bu
10:24<sd_>iltin_users: Failed to create Users. I googled some workaround like: # net sam createbuiltingroup Users, but I receive: Creating Users failed with NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. Pls give me a clue. Thank you reading this..
10:25<erKURITA>or as a Win$ux user would say "a theme of sorts"
10:25<cloffy>DE.. right! i got 'em confused
10:25<erKURITA>which it's not
10:25<cloffy>sorry bout that
10:25<erKURITA>it's ok :p
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10:26<cloffy>now I am a bit inspired to dig through all the tip pages and reinstall a new system. I hope my buzz won't destroy it all eventually :D
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10:26<sd_>Oops, it doesn't fit here. Sorry for long msg... Pls help me with Samba. The problem is I need to migrate from FC7 to Etch.
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10:28<cloffy>btw, if I wan't to have m$ fonts like "Times New Roman" on my Debian, I am not gonna find them in the Debian repos, am I?
10:28<b52laptop_>any desklet monitoring written in or ruby ?
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10:29<erKURITA>well, it didn't convince me :X
10:29<erKURITA>I'm back to Gnome
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10:30<kon>gui no one might enjoy
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10:30<cloffy>btw, is lxde (if I go for that one) in the debian repos?
10:30<shankazulu>cloffy: you might try the package: msttcorefonts - it's in contrib and non-free section of debian repository
10:30<cloffy>and is it as easy as "apt-get install lxde" or is there a catch?
10:31<cloffy>yeah, shankazulu, thx
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10:32<erKURITA>maybe another day I'll give it a chance
10:32<cloffy>btw, does any DE have true transparency (without compiz or such)?
10:33<koollman>cloffy: why 'without compiz' ?
10:33<cloffy>although one might do without it
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10:33<cloffy>koollman, dunno, I have this feeling that it bloats things up and has loose ends that get messy
10:33<koollman>the whole point of having a composite manager is to do that kind of stuff, that can't be done without it
10:33<cloffy>koollman, yeah, thought so
10:35<shankazulu>i only know of Enlightment E17 which will have true transparency, at the moment it has a module called Bling which confer true transparency.
10:35<koollman>transparency require accessing more than one windows output buffer to create the actual output
10:35<koollman>and that's exactly what a composite manager can do
10:35<cloffy>so which DE do you think is pretty (doesn't have Win 3.1 style buttons), customizable (not to have default blue/grey horror) and light?
10:35<koollman>and what a 'simple' window manager can't
10:36<koollman>cloffy: maybe xfce, or enlightment
10:37<cloffy>lxde looks kinda smooth, but I'm not sure yet if it's customizable beyond the basic looks
10:37<petern>metacity's compositing is quite... subtle
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10:39<cloffy>enlightenment screenshots seem nice
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10:42<shankazulu>cloffy: here's and old E17 FAQ about transparency:
10:43<shankazulu>you can find E17 webpage:
10:43<cloffy>I am looking at screenshots now
10:43<cloffy>and xfce seems to have implemented composing (sp?)
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10:45<erKURITA>xfce seems to have changed eversince I stopped using it
10:45<erKURITA>(it fuxxed up my home, somehow :( )
10:45<cloffy>I installed xubuntu on a laptop recently, but I didn't like it
10:45<cloffy>erKURITA, what do you mean?
10:45<cloffy>what did it do?
10:46<dr|z3d>cloffy: Why not?
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10:46<erKURITA>don't ask me, but one day I logged in and everything had gone haywire
10:46<cloffy>dr|z3d, well, it seemed uncustomizable and generally poor
10:46<erKURITA>so I quit on it and went to Gnome
10:46<erKURITA>where I'm at now
10:46<cloffy>erKURITA, was that a long time ago?
10:46<cloffy>maybe things are better now?
10:47<cloffy>with xfce
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10:48<cloffy>enlightenment screenshots are nice, xfce is fine... what else... IceWM(?) looks a bit scary though
10:48<shankazulu>you might be better off getting a fembot called Aiko and load debian in her. just google fembot+aiko lol
10:48<cloffy>awesome seems too hardcore for me
10:49<cloffy>shankazulu, I'm not *hopeless*, i'm just new to this
10:49<erKURITA>cloffy uhm, yeah
10:49<erKURITA>1 1/2 years ago
10:50<cloffy>ok, so this puts me on the brink of throwing a coin for xfce or enlightenment
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10:50<shankazulu>xfce4 is easy to install - just apt-get install xfce4, OTHO E17 you have to get it from SVN
10:51<dr|z3d>Xfce is a better choice, possibly.
10:51<cloffy>there is also lxde, but the official screenshots are suspiciously similar
10:51<dr|z3d>Easier to configure.
10:51<shankazulu>E17 is still in development
10:51<dr|z3d>And easily maintained/tweaked.
10:51<cloffy>ok... I better write this down :p
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10:51<erKURITA>just save the log ._.
10:51<cloffy>erKURITA, huh?
10:51<dr|z3d>LXDE is a but anaemic, feature-wise. At least, it's not as easy to tweak/configure at Xfce. And it doesn't look as good/polished.
10:52<erKURITA>why write it down while you can save the chat log?
10:52<dr|z3d>IceWM is shit.
10:52<craigevil>lxde is fast though, using it my Eee boots in 20 seconds :)
10:52<dr|z3d>If you like your system to look like Win95, go right ahead with IceWM.
10:52<dr|z3d>Xfce is ALSO fast.
10:52<craigevil>actually icewm+rox can be cool
10:52<cloffy>dr|z3d, lol, scary
10:53<mike>Can anyone help me? My X server won't start, saying: "FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing."
10:53<dr|z3d>Xfce + Compiz if you got the grunt.
10:53<mike>It seems a coincidence, but maybe it's not, but... I installed VMWare the boot before this started :-(
10:53<mike>(VMWare Server 2)
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10:54<rizha_>please help... my setting sound (sorround and front) minimize again when debian restarting, how to make sound permanent setting if i set full
10:54<dr|z3d>cloffy: Xfce is very close to Gnome, without the bloat, both feature-wise and, if you want, in look and feel.
10:54<rizha_>someone please do somthing
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10:54<cloffy>dr|z3d, cool
10:54*dr|z3d uses Xfce.
10:55*dr|z3d does starjumps.
10:55*cloffy applauds
10:55<dr|z3d>rizha did ask ;)
10:55<erKURITA>enlightenment looks nice
10:55<erKURITA> <= specially this one
10:55<cloffy>erKURITA, yeah, it does
10:56<dr|z3d>enlightenment *looks* nice, but feels like driving a car with a puncture.
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10:56<shankazulu>for E17, there is a simple script that you can use:
10:56<dr|z3d>You can run enlightenment's wm with Xfce fine if you want to play :)
10:56<shankazulu>very easy to install *and* update. this script update from SVN branch
10:57*dr|z3d laughs.
10:57<cloffy>ok, so this has narrowed me down to REINSTALL minimal system and apt-get install xfce4
10:57<dr|z3d>Anything from apt is very easy to maintain and update. No script jizzery required :)
10:57<cloffy>dr|z3d, that's why I went for Debian on this fresh install I did now
10:58<dr|z3d>cloffy don't forget apt-get install xfce4-goodies
10:58<cloffy>dr|z3d, is that the proper name of it? :)
10:58<cloffy>and what *are* the "goodies"? :)
10:59<shankazulu>just run apt-cache search xfce4 to find the goodies
10:59<erKURITA>apt-cache show xfce4-goodies
10:59<dr|z3d>xfce4-goodies - enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
10:59<dr|z3d>Extra plugins, themes, etc.
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10:59<cloffy>fun :) ok..
11:00<shankazulu>xfce4 by itself is just a meta-package
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11:00<erKURITA>shankazulu touché
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11:00<dr|z3d>Yeah, xfce4 will pull down the essentials.
11:01<cloffy>times like these I wish I had a super-portable printer to have all the tips on paper, when the system is down
11:01<cloffy>ok, so a fresh basic system install and apt-get install xfce4 will get me going?
11:01<dr|z3d>want some more recommendations for stuff to install?
11:02<dr|z3d>General handy tools.
11:02<cloffy>well, dr|z3d, what do you suggest?
11:02<dr|z3d>apt-get install bum startupmanager gnome-device-manager bootchart conky
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11:02<shankazulu>check for some multimedia stuff. also handily if you have debian-multimedia in your repository
11:03<cloffy>gnome-device-manager on xfce?
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11:03<dr|z3d>Gnome and Xfce both use gtk, so using gnome stuff in Xfce is fine.
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11:04<dr|z3d>If you want tabs on your text editor. apt-get install gedit
11:04<dr|z3d>If you want tabs on your file manager: apt-get install pxmanfm
11:04<dr|z3d>pcmanfm sorry
11:05<shankazulu>Fluxbox has tabbed window feature
11:05<dr|z3d>If you want split-screen terminals, apt-get install terminator
11:05<cloffy>I'd enjoy a decent TotalCommander port though
11:05<dr|z3d>Yeah, fluxbox does. I'm pushing for Xfce to get window tabs.
11:06<dr|z3d>Fluxbox feels a bit unpolished, though. Needs work.
11:06<erKURITA><3 Terminator
11:07<cloffy>allright... guess I have the basic tools to get going on my new install
11:07<erKURITA>oh and, as a side-kick and great monitor: gkrellm
11:07<amphi>dr|z3d: openbox for polish
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11:08<shankazulu>i don't need any polish - i like it unvarnished, wart and all
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11:08<erKURITA>you like it raw huh
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11:09<shankazulu>just a wallpaper, thin toolbar and a couple of stuffs in left click menu
11:09<amphi>that's pretty varnished IMHO
11:10<amphi>just a bg, a keybinding for a term, and a keybinding for a run box should be enough for anyone ;)
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11:11<shankazulu>i do keep one with almost nothing on as well. here's one screenshot of my debian+fluxbox:
11:11<shankazulu>i hardly use menu, just keybinds using xbinfkeys
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11:12<cloffy>shankazulu, your link is dead, i guess
11:12<amphi>aye; menus don't work well IMHO, too laborious
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11:13<cloffy>Address Not Found
11:13<cloffy>Iceweasel can't find the server at
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11:14<shankazulu>just copy & paste the link
11:14<amphi>heh, Moriarty
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11:15<cloffy>won't work for me (
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11:16<upsy>shankazulu: you use xbindkeys in fluxbox?
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11:16<shankazulu>upsy: yes
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11:16<upsy>shankazulu: but it has keybind stuff of it's own
11:17<shankazulu>not the fluxbox keys
11:17<shankazulu>i use it in addition to fluxbox keys for example to launch applications
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11:18<shankazulu>e.g F1 will open rxvt-unicode-lite terminal, F2 will open Thunar, F8 will open mythtv etc
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11:19<FREEERt>como instalar o adobe flash player no debian
11:19<shankazulu>sorry if the link to screenshot doesn't work - maybe it's been removed as it's an old link
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11:22<shankazulu>later guys, i have to go.
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11:23<cloffy>umm, how do I install a bootloader on flash drive's MBR?
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11:25<cloffy>ok, thx cahoot
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11:34<FREEERt>como instalar o flash no firefox
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11:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:37<nethunter>How can I exclude a file from a package.install list?
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11:39<cloffy>Thank you guys so much, I will try now to have my Complete Reinstall
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11:40<kapil>nethunter: look at dpkg-divert
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12:01<erKURITA>woot, I finally configured mplayer to properly play mkv files with soft subs :D
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12:02<Guest645>who are you?
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12:15<vx>HELLO WORLD
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12:21<magicalmerlin>ahh baack to nice stable system
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12:25<magicalmerlin>hi amphi
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12:28<magicalmerlin>hmm amphi I was wondering what emu will help me the best, I have one program for editing videos for windows, unfortuantely, I already started editing family vids a while back. so I am wonderign waht the best emu for that would be..note after I am finsihed with my video editing , windows is going byebye
12:29<amphi>vbox perhaps? I think it supports more virtualisation than qemu (but I could be wrong)
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12:32<magicalmerlin>hmm nevermid I found Virtual box :)
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12:32<magicalmerlin>yeah I jsut found it amphi lol
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12:36<magicalmerlin>hmm, amphi how do I use that?
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12:45<magicalmerlin>amphi, com on don't leave me in the dark lol how do I use Vbox?
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12:46<magicalmerlin>ok ok
12:46<magicalmerlin>I get
12:46<fxiny>magicalmerlin: polish your crystall ball : amphi's gone :)
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12:47<magicalmerlin>eh yeah I noticed
12:47*magicalmerlin sprays windex on his magic cystal ball
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12:49<razed_>i'm trying to install MonoDevelop to help get my ASP.NET stuff working on my apache server... problem is, when i run make on the addins (the first thing they say to install), it fails with an error... CS0246: The type or namespace name 'Exception' could not be found. Are you missing a using directive or an assmply reference? any suggestions?
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13:14<adama>I'm getting a lot of these in dmesg, and file access is locking up...
13:14<adama>[589326.008012] hda: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
13:14<adama>[589326.008020] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
13:14<adama>[589326.056010] ide0: reset: success
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13:15<adama>also "[509817.109371] hda: drive not ready for command" sometimes
13:16<jthomas>Does anyone know a good, scriptable FTP client that is available in Cygwin? Currenlty we're using 'lftp' but it bombs out when we try to "mget * " for thousands of files :(
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13:17<adama>failing hard drive?
13:17<jthomas>sorry, asking now in freenode#cygwin
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13:21<fxiny>adama: i'd run smartctl from smartmontools
13:21<chealer>adama: hda a hard drive?
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13:25<adama>chealer: yes
13:25<adama>fxiny: thanks, I'll try it out
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13:27<fxiny>adama: np
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13:41<laurent_>Pb /media/usb/ ...
13:41<laurent_>quelqu'un peut il m'aider?
13:43<laurent_>mon / est concidéré comme plein car le /media/usb monte mon /home d'une autre partition sans que je lui demande...
13:43<blarson>!tell laurent_ about fr
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13:44<laurent_>oupsss, it's an english channel?!?
13:46<adama>well, smartctl is not giving me any good news...
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13:46<adama>note that I ran it twice, 50% success rate
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13:47<adama>if success is "output besides No Information Found"
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13:48<fxiny>adama: smartctl -l selftest /dev/ice ?
13:49<[c0re]>how to access sudo without password???
13:49<Curan>hello, does anybody have clue what I'm doing wrong, if I start vncviewer in »-listen« mode, I get a connection and no screen of the remote system comes up?
13:49<cdlu>core, that kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?
13:49<adama>ahhh, ok
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13:51<adama>Error SMART Status command failed
13:51<adama>will try again
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13:53<fxiny>adama: you had some errors one hour ago ?
13:54<fxiny>adama: could be this "Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging"
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13:55<fxiny>try smartctl -t short
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13:56<adama>hmm, now it's saying "SMART support is: Ambiguous - ATA IDENTIFY DEVICE words 82-83 don't show if SMART supported."
13:56<adama>"A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options."
13:56<adama>but it's returning right away, it was waiting like 1 minute to return any output before
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13:57<adama>ooo now smartctl -t short /dev/hda has succeeded
13:57<adama>Testing has begun.
13:57<adama>Please wait 1 minutes for test to complete.
13:57<fxiny>and > smartctl -H
13:59<adama>how do I see the results, smartctl -H /dev/hda?
13:59<adama>SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!
13:59<adama>Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.
14:01<fxiny>adama: how old is it ?
14:03<adama>not sure... probably quite old... it's in a Dell GX270 that my work gave me to build this project with...
14:03<adama>but the drive came from somewhere else before that
14:03<fxiny>no refund then
14:04<adama>SAMSUNG SP0802N
14:04<adama>nope, no big deal though, I'll be able to get a bigger one now :)
14:04<adama>it's only 80G
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14:05<fxiny>adama: hddtemp /dev/hda ?
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14:06<[c0re]>how do i apply same themes as i am using to root?
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14:06<[c0re]>ln -i blah blah
14:06<adama>gnome themes??
14:06<[c0re]>but i dont know which file
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14:07<adama>it isn't recommended to let root login to the gdm, why are you doing that?
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14:08<adama>fxiny: 35°C
14:08<adama>no problem
14:08<[c0re]>how do i apply same themes as i am using to root?
14:08<fxiny>why ?
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14:09<[c0re]>fxiny, are you asking me
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14:09<fxiny>you loggin in as root ?
14:10<adama>fxiny: oh well, I'll re-connect the drive cables and try again, if that don't work I'll replace the drive, thanks for the commands :)
14:10<[c0re]>fxiny, no
14:11<[c0re]>when i use sudo to run a gui program... its looks su*ks
14:11<fxiny>adama: np . good luck
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14:13<[c0re]>how do i apply same themes as i am using to root?
14:14<adama>[c0re] how are you running these programs exactly?
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14:15<adama>when I do "gksu gedit /etc/shadow" the theme is the same
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14:16<adama>I dunno, I don't really do that kind of thing
14:16<stricken>anyone know how to listen to mp3/wav format on linux debian ver 4.0
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14:18<stricken>anyone know how to listen to mp3/wav format on linux debian ver 4.0
14:18<fxiny>stricken: you should be able to listen to wav , about mp3 : is lame installed ? apt-cache policy lame
14:18<Torsten_W>why lame?
14:18<Torsten_W>lame is a encoder, not needed for listening mp3
14:19<fxiny>oh right
14:19<Nemoder>straw: audacity will load them
14:19<stricken>lame installed (none) candidate (none) version table :
14:20<Nemoder>er stricken, sorry
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14:20<adama>I think he needs libmpeg2 ?
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14:21<stricken>im not sure i can becuase i often come across alot of mp3 files that i need to listen to and i cannot becuase of 1 plugin after another but im not sure exactly how to isntall these just yet
14:21<adama>stricken: what media player do you have?
14:21<Nemoder>er, are you talking about wavs and mp3s or wavs encoded with mp3?
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14:23<stricken>im not entirely sure nemoder becuase im not exatcly up toi scratch on that aspect of things. i have a few apps already installed which come with the debian os installation at the time
14:23<stricken>but when i click on a website to listen if its mp3 format i cannot
14:23<Nemoder>if you are just looking for a music player try audacious or rhythmbox
14:24<fxiny>stricken: clicking in iceweasel ?
14:24<dpkg>rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
14:24<stricken>i have rythmbox music player
14:24<stricken>what is iceweasel i have that too
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14:25<Nemoder>iceweasel is debian's version of firefox web browser
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14:25<stricken>right thats intresting thanks ill just test something brb
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14:26<apostle>problems when running aptitude update....error returned W: GPG error: lenny Release: The do I correct this?
14:27<Nemoder>apostle: install debian-multimedia-keyring
14:28<stricken>Is it possible to install Adobe flash player for linux debian 4.0 version?
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14:29<apostle>Nemoder, excellent...What did this package just do?
14:29<stricken>Browser: Firefox, Mozilla, SeaMonkey is what they accept
14:29<Nemoder>apostle: it gives you the key used to sign packages from dmm
14:29<apostle>Nemoder, thanks
14:30*Sadox :)))))))))))
14:32<Nemoder>!adobe flash
14:32<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
14:32<stricken>basically i need something to listen to music now anyone know what i can do for a quick way to listen to music on the net with what ive already got or what i can install with apt-get
14:34<Nemoder>I use streamtuner for net radio
14:34<stricken>yep but its different song i want to listen to right now songs i choose
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14:34<stricken>im have a few beers and fancy listening to some of my favs
14:34<fxiny>i use xmms2 or mpd
14:35<fxiny>cli addicts :P
14:35<stricken>winamp for windows by the way?
14:35<fxiny>that's xmms
14:35<stricken>winamp is xmms?
14:36<fxiny>the other way round : xmms is like winamp
14:36<stricken>right does it allow mp3 and wav format?
14:36<fxiny>kde amarok is a very nice player
14:37<stricken>right does it allow mp3 and wav format too?
14:37<fxiny>xmms can play even ape
14:37<stricken>right does it allow mp3
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14:37<fxiny>stricken: flac is much better then mp3
14:38<stricken>i know but some songs i want is only mp3
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14:38<apostle>my debian lenny system is running very well....How would I make an image of the current system?
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14:39<fxiny>apostle: dd or partimage ? partimage makes it smaller
14:40<stricken>g2g bye ty
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14:48<apostle>fxiny, how do I restore from dd......can I make an entired image of my harddrive then install it on another harddrive and have it boot?
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14:56<nubbun>apostle: gzip is an option
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15:00<nubbun>apostle: to back up sda to /usr/local/backup.gz : gzip </dev/sda >/usr/local/backup.gz
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15:04<apostle>nubbun, so I would have to log in with a live cd for example back up the sda drive to another drive?
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15:05<nubbun>apostle: actually it can be mounted read-only. so you can boot in single user mode
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15:05<nubbun>is irc under barrage or what?
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15:05<nubbun>apostle: to remount something as readonly: mount -oro,remount /
15:05<apostle>nubbun, so I would boot up into single usermode and run the gzip command saving the back up images on another drive....then to restore it I would do this from the same live cd
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15:05<nubbun>apostle: I've backed up other OSs with gzip as well. The catch is that the disk or partitions must be the same configuration.
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15:05<nubbun>apostle: more flexible backup is tar or cpio
15:05<nubbun>apostle: the ones I'm telling you are old command line tools. Maybe there is something with a nice GUI, but I don't know it. If you find out something nice, I'd like to hear about it.
15:05<apostle>so if I have it clear...I can back up my debian system into an image and then use this image to install on another drive and it will boot...what steps am I missing?
15:06<nubbun>presuming other disk is same size, yes you can.
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15:06<nubbun>same size and same order of disk (sda, sdb, sdc, etc.)
15:06<apostle>same size only or can it be bigger or a bigger driver partitioned accordingly
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15:06<nubbun>I don't know.
15:07<nubbun>I think it could be bigger, but I'm not certain.
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15:09<nubbun>apostle: if you do the whole drive, it will capture partitioning as well.
15:10<apostle>nubbun, excellent
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15:10<apostle>its just a nice way of having an image with the system at a prestine state
15:10<apostle>my debian system right now is running very well just as it is :)
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15:11<nubbun>I never back up everything. Only the configuration files I alter and /home
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15:13<nubbun>If /home is device /dev/sdb2, you can do - wodim dev=/dev/sr0 driveropts=burnfree /dev/sdb2 - to burn it to DVD
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15:19<apostle>nubbun, so another way of going about it....back up the config files and home directory and then reinstalling packages...this seems pretty straight forward.
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15:21<nubbun>apostle: it is. Just need to keep track of which config files you alter which are not under /home.
15:22<apostle>nubbun, what version of Debian are you running?
15:22<nubbun>testing. When lenny goes stable, I'll run the successor testing.
15:23<nubbun>with a backup copy of stable in case something goes too wrong.
15:24<nubbun>so far, I haven't seen anything go too wrong.
15:25<apostle>nubbun, cool I am running Lenny too
15:25<apostle>nubbun, where you from man?
15:26<nubbun>I'm surprised you're interested.
15:27<apostle>nubbun, whys that
15:27<apostle>nubbun, i'm in ottawa canada
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15:27<apostle>they have a linux users group here...not the friendliest group
15:28<nubbun>sorry to hear that. Are they just not open?
15:28<nubbun>open socially.
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15:31<apostle>apostle, quite frankily I think some get there whole self esteem from thinking they are really special.....but when you ask them about discussion about linux install fests and interest what so ever...interestingly enough when you find the guys who really know there stuff they are most help full
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15:31<nubbun>Most linux users i know readily talk about linux, but not necessarily other topics.
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15:34<cesurasean>does anyone know why my postfix is sending emails as USER@DOMAIN.COM@PHOENIX.SEITON.COM instead of just USER@DOMAIN.COM?
15:35<apostle>nubbun, its weird I meet tons of people that don't like talking about linux and don't have any passion or excitement about opensource...especially in Ottawa...funny cause the Linux Kernel Conference was in Ottawa for so many years...I think I just don't know the right people
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15:35<apostle>nubbun, are you a programmer?
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15:36*nubbun grins.
15:36<nubbun>apostle: you have an idea?
15:37<apostle>nubbun, I don't understand?
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15:37<dpkg>hmm... idea is meaning you don't know.
15:37<fabio>NON SO L'INGLESE
15:37<apostle>nubbun, no I don't
15:38<fabio>NO SPIKE INGLISC
15:38<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:38<apostle>nubbun, I would infer that you might be a developer working on the debian project...but as to where I don't the community all that well yet...thou I find this channel much better then others I have been on
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15:39<nubbun>apostle: I am a programmer with no time to program outside of work. Actually I don't have time to participate in the IRC channel either strictly speaking, but I've gotten help here and am glad to put help back in.
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15:40<apostle>nubbun, cool
15:40<nubbun>I like the debian project. I've tried others and like debian best.
15:41<apostle>nubbun, I have it installed on 3 systems now and I really like it.
15:41<nubbun>I dislike Gentoo. I wanted to help them fix and debug their SPArc distribution, but got a cold shoulder.
15:41<apostle>nubbun, I'm thinking to installed it for some friends :)
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15:42<apostle>nubbun, thats the perfect way to explain some people in the community 'cold shoulder'
15:42<fabio>WHO ARE YOU?
15:42<simonrvn>fabio: we could ask the same of you
15:42<apostle>how ever I Find the debian project people different
15:43<cesurasean>anyone got a clue why my email server is doing that?
15:43<simonrvn>fabio: /join #debian-it
15:43<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:44<nubbun>apostle: there have been things in debian which are worthy of criticism, but I find it less so than all distros of similar scale. Ubuntu strikes me as good, but I don't like their distribution so much.
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15:45<fabio>I DON'T UNDERSTAND
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15:45<nubbun>and then there is GNUSense, but I would prefer Debian for the same reasons.
15:45<nubbun>fabio: what language?
15:46<fabio>I SPEAK ITALIAN
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15:46<simonrvn>we know, now /join #debian-it
15:46<simonrvn>/ignore -replies fabio
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15:47<deniz>how do i make firestarter start and be in panel tray thing wen i open the computer and not have to always open it manually?
15:47<deniz>(im using etchnhalf)
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15:48<apostle>nubbun, I saw Greg Hartmans talk at the Linux Plumbers Conference...I don't see why Ubuntu does not give back to Linux....thou even saying this I don't think is accurate....I think Gregs point is that they don't contribute to Linux Plumbing.
15:50<nubbun>If that is the speach i think it is, there are so many programs as part of a GNU based system that linux is a small part. Ubuntu hasn't made a profit in any year yet, so I'd not be harsh on them. They've given substantially. Think of Bazaar and Launchpad and I'm sure there's more I don't know of.
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15:52<nubbun>besides that, Hartman works for Novel(SUSE). Shuttleworth invited SUSE devs to quit Novel and join Ubuntu after Novel made a deal with MS to pay MS equivalent of license fees. I'm sure there are some people at Novel who are sore about that.
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15:53<nubbun>Also Hartman seems to have contradicted himself on the degree of contribution of individuals
15:54<@Ganneff>i guess you want to join #debian-offtopic
15:54<@Ganneff>as thats not about debian support, which this channels primary topic is
15:54<nubbun>@Ganneff, yes, it has gotten to that point.
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15:54<nubbun>@Ganneff however given the lack of other traffic, I'd also say it's a moot point.
15:55<apostle>Ganneff, thanks I will add the channel
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15:55<cesurasean>who speaks english? :)
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15:56<nubbun>cesurasean: all here
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15:56<nubbun>cesurasean: or was that a joke?
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15:57<cesurasean>not if you know how to use postfix :)
15:57<cesurasean>or can figure out my problem
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16:00<apostle>What is the best way to make shares between 2 Debian Systems?
16:00<petemc>smb or nfs
16:00<petemc>not necessarily in that order
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16:01<nubbun>apostle: nfs or ... I forget. 1 moment. KDE also has an easy 'shares' thing I've never used.
16:02<petemc>fish ?
16:02<apostle>petemc, I have smb installed but when I click on network I don't see my other machine
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16:11<nubbun>petemc: that wasn't it, but that's good too!
16:11<Tuplad>running net view on a windows box xD could that be illegal ?
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16:12<petemc>when everyone used windows 98 net view was a powerful tool
16:14<Tuplad>but like
16:14<Tuplad>on vista/xp
16:14<Tuplad>if you've got the rights to as a user, would that be illegal ?
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16:14<Tuplad>oh, I know this is the wrong channel, but I dont know anyone who knows better :D
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16:16<Tvistamx>For example, nniigggeerrss and humans may have evolved from a common ancestor. Those that left Africa grew into modern humans with low aggression and large cranial capacities. Those that remained devolved into retarded ape human hybrids. Join us at For more info, ask in our Guest Forum.
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16:17<overflow>let me kick him! me! me! me! o/
16:17<Tuplad>"o/" lol
16:17<nubbun>whoah: Sun rules them now. Sun is good.
16:17<simonrvn>!ops Tvistamx
16:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Tvistamx
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16:18<paddy>good day to all of you
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16:18<simonrvn>thanks you
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16:19<overflow>:) great!
16:19<paddy>uhhh, me silly forgot to setup the identd after enabling the port forwarding
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16:19<lfaraone>Where can I find the debian lenny netinst cd?
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16:19<dpkg>from memory, cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory
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16:20<meoblast001>dpkg saying my last name led me to come in here
16:20<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, meoblast001
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16:22<overflow>Hello, Im trying to avoid the "No network interfaces detected
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16:22*paddy thinks
16:24<overflow>Im trying to preseed the "No network interfaces detected" using "d-i netcfg/no_interfaces seen true" but with no results.. any idea?
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16:26<overflow>I've been trying to fix that since 2 weeks ago..
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16:27<overflow>please I really need help with this
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16:30<esop>overflow: put a network card in your system?
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16:46<dgodfather>Hi all, can you check out that script i took from the net and tell me if it's honest and safe to use for oracle xe? ->
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16:47<petemc>dgodfather: that wouldnt work on debian
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16:48<dgodfather>petemc: why? is it c shell?
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16:49<petemc>dgodfather: uses chkconfig, a red-hat-alike tool
16:50<dgodfather>ohhhh well i need some kind of script for it to be able to start and stop (the oracle server i mean)
16:50<petemc>dgodfather: actually, it might
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16:50<petemc>dgodfather: tho, there should be an init.d script for oracle on debian
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16:55<dgodfather>petemc well there is but it looks for another one called functions for some reason
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17:06<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know whether "dpkg-reconfigure dnsmasq" runs a user friendly an interactive script that prompts the user for simple answers?
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17:27<bjorkLinux>is pidgin no longer a debian pkg?
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17:28<stew>bjorkLinux: it is still a debian package
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17:31<bjorkLinux>why doesn't apt-get know what it is then?
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17:33<stew>bjorkLinux: what version of debian are you running?
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17:34<bjorkLinux>Linux korolev 2.6.18-6-powerpc #1 Thu Oct 16 21:52:47 UTC 2008 ppc GNU/Linux
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17:35<valdyn>bjorkLinux: gaim is in etch
17:36<bjorkLinux>i tbought they had changed the name ..
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17:39<sprok>i used make-kpkg to create my custom kernel... but no initrd was created in /boot/
17:39<sprok>after i installed
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17:46<stew>bjorkLinux: yes, they changed it, but after etch was already frozen. if you want pidgen for etch, you should be able to get a backport: /msg dpkg bpo
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17:53<apostle>anybody know where I can get cairo dock for debian lenny
17:54<bjorkLinux>from egypt... go to the nile.
17:54<bjorkLinux>there, you'll find a dock.
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18:04<jt_>XF: I think 2.6.2 according to the webite
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18:24<rootkit_t>anyone konw howto edit file under busybox when installing debian?
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18:26<stew>rootkit_t: vi /path/to/filename
18:26<rootkit_t>stew: there is no vi in busybox.
18:27<stew>rootkit_t: there is here
18:28<stew>exists in busybox in both stable and testing
18:28<stew>i guess perhaps the installer could have stripped theirs down
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18:34<billsex_tt>anyone konw howto restart network when installing debian?
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18:35<nubbun>billsex_tt: perhaps you mean /etc/init.d/network restart
18:35<nubbun>or not
18:36<billsex_tt>nubbun these is still no /etc/init.d/network,the installing is not finish.
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18:38<billsex_tt>anyone konw howto change network config when installing debian 4?
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18:39<arctica>someone here=?
18:39<streuner>via interfq
18:39<streuner>via interfaces (/msg dpkg interfaces)
18:40<streuner>just install basic system, _then_ change interfaces
18:40<billsex_tt>streuner there is no interfaces in busybox
18:40<petemc>ifconfig works
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18:48<rootkit_w>anyone konw howto change gateway when installing debian 4?
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18:48<rootkit_w>anyone konw howto change gateway when installing debian 4?
18:48<petemc>rootkit_w: route del foo ; route add default gateway bar
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19:02<bjorkLinux>does anyone here use hydrogen?
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19:02<rootkit_t>anyone konw howto ping when installing debian 4?
19:03<lnievas>bjorkLinux, yes me, for my car.. ji ji..
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19:03<petemc>rootkit_w: theres no ping, you can use wget
19:03<bjorkLinux>funny man.
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19:04<petemc>bjorkLinux: really, theres no ping, use wget to test network ability
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19:06<bjorkLinux>i was referrng to lnievas
19:06<petemc>yeah, sorry
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19:09<windio00>will lenny stable be ready for christmas?
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19:10<windio00>do they need any french english translators?
19:11<Slackman>I have setup Postfix and courier as my mail servers. It uses mbox by default. I have downloaded and converted the mbox to Maildir using mbox2maildir script. However, any new email is stored in mbox and not Maildir. How can I migrate permanently?
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19:12<Slackman>anyone can help moving from mbox to Maildir?
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19:13<abrotman>!info mb2md etch
19:13<Slackman>!info mb2md etch
19:13<dpkg>mb2md: (Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format), section net, is optional. Version: 3.20-2 (etch), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
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19:13<dpkg>mb2md: (Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format), section net, is optional. Version: 3.20-2 (etch), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
19:13<abrotman>once is enough
19:13<Slackman>I am new here
19:14<Slackman>I used the converter but all new emails are saved in mbox. My guess is I have to reconfigure something to ditch the old format
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19:16<abrotman>uh .. yeah
19:17<Slackman>still patiently googling
19:17<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure postfix , perhaps
19:18<Slackman>let me try
19:21<Slackman>nop. I will try courier config files
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19:22<abrotman>you have to configure postfix to deliver to a Maildir
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19:22<petemc>debconf doesnt cater for that?
19:23<abrotman>not that i'm aware of
19:23<abrotman>i don't think it does for any MTA
19:23<rootkit_t>finally finished,thx for all the help.
19:24<Slackman>the postfix reconfigure didn't ask for that..the only close question was whether to use Procmail for delivery or not
19:24<abrotman>it's pretty easy to find on google
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19:24<petemc>i think debians exim config asks if you want to use maildir
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19:25<abrotman>not that i've never seen
19:25<Slackman>I swapped exim for courier/postfix
19:25<Slackman>followed the ISPConfig guide
19:25<panagos>hi, i noticed that /proc/cpuinfo says my CPU is running at 1GHz, but dmidecode says it's running at 2.1GHz! how can i know for sure what the CPU frequency is? i have an AMD athlon x2 4000+, and am running the 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel
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19:30<dpkg>i heard lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package. #linux-sensors @
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19:34<mike>Can anybody help me with an X issue? startx fails, but sudo startx nautilus or startx /usr/sbin/gdm both work fine.
19:35<abrotman>do you have a window manager installed ?
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19:36<mike>I do. This has worked before, it used to start in Gnome.
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19:36<mike>The issue began the same night I installed VMWare, so I uninstalled it, but it didn't seem to remedy the issue.
19:36<mike>(VMWare Server 2.0, that is)
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19:49<Slackman>I think I am close
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19:50<Slackman>found this line in login.defs
19:50<Slackman>MAIL_DIR /var/mail
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19:57<James119>Hi. Neither #xchat or #openssl (on freenode) seem to be able to answer my question, so I figured I'd try. I'm trying to get xchat to accept a self signed certificate. I have the certificate in /etc/ssl/certs/foo.crt
19:59<James119>openssl s_client confirms that I have the correct cert.
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20:06<kapil>James119: have you provided the cert to xchat via its config file
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20:07<Slackman>i give up for tonight
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20:08<James119>kapil: There doesn't look to be a way to do that.
20:08<James119>I think it (through the use of openssl) looks in /etc/openssl/certs/
20:10<kapil>James119: have you created a "hash link" to the cert?
20:10<James119>It is fine with's cert. Presumably because they have a cert signed by a CA in ca-certificates
20:10<James119>is a hash link one of those 21921jfj9f.0 files in /etc/ssl/certs ?
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20:10<James119>If so, no. I'll do that. Do you know which hash I use? (and what I hash)
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20:11<kapil>you use "openssl x509 -noout -hash -in cert.pem" to generate the name
20:12<James119>Ok, thanks :)
20:12*James119 puts md5sum away.
20:13<kapil>i'm not sure this will solve your problem but i think the ssl library searches through /etc/ssl/certs using the hash names rather than getting all the certs in there.
20:13<James119>It solved it. Thanks again :)
20:14<kapil>you're welcome.
20:14<James119>I was going to ask what would happen in the case of a hash collision, but I guess that's what the .0 at the end is for.
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20:15<kapil>i'm not sure that's what it is for.
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20:18<kapil>the hash is the hash of the subject name (i.e. the name which is being certified). so a .1 .2 etc would indicate additional certificates for the same name.
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20:18<James119>A hash isn't a 1-1 function. It's a many-1 function. So hash(foo) may equal hash(bar).
20:19<James119>I suppose additional certificates is more likely though.
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20:19<kapil>they haven't taken care of clashes. ;>
20:19<James119>Ah. :\
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20:20<James119>I guess it isn't so bad. Changing the name of the cert file isn't so bad.
20:20<kapil>however, given that subject names are generally rather limited in size, the clash is extremely unlikely.
20:21<magicalmerlin>hmm , eh is a clash in Debian where to programs contradict one aonther or, is clash and acrpnym for something..just not sure how to google "calsh"
20:21*magicalmerlin *clash
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20:22*magicalmerlin aconym
20:22<kapil>not the name of the cert file the subject name. check the output of "openssl x509 -in cert.pem -noout -text" and the field "Subject:"
20:22<James119>Ah ok.
20:23<kapil>magicalmerlin: two programs in Debian are arguing? :)
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20:23<magicalmerlin>ah ok jsut as I thauhgt then :) thanks kapil. hmm, well, Hmm I havn't came across that as of yet
20:24<kapil>do you mean two packages that are trying to install the same file? have a look at alternatives.
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20:25<magicalmerlin>for example if I were to use adobie and I had gnash, those 2 would argue?
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20:25<magicalmerlin>hmm so my gut feeling install one or the other served me right
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20:25<kapil>but they do not try to install the same file. it would be up to the user/firefox to choose one over the other.
20:26<magicalmerlin>ahh ok
20:26<magicalmerlin>erg I can see how that cna create a mess.
20:26<kapil>alternatives are for things like nvi,vim,elvis which all try to install /usr/bin/vi
20:26<James119>magellanino: Look at alternatives. It's really quite cool. /etc/alternatives/ and `man update-alternatives`. It's probably covered in the manual or wiki too.
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20:26<James119>alternatives is used for flash plugins too.
20:27<James119>magellanino: Sorry. Wrong person.
20:27<kapil>oh. i didn't know that flash-plugins used alternatives.
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20:28<magicalmerlin>neither did I, geses one learns alot while using Linux
20:28<magellanino>James119: ^_^ dont worry
20:28<magicalmerlin>eh Gese
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20:29<magicalmerlin>I am finding out how litle I truely know about computers
20:29<kapil>alternatives are also for things like /usr/bin/x-window-manager which sets the system-wide default window manager.
20:30<magicalmerlin>system wide defualt?
20:30<kapil>if you are using irc you already know a lot! in fact, if you are using a computer _as_ a computer you already know a lot!
20:31<magicalmerlin>hmm ok, eh ok I been Ms'd for to long and gew lazy lol
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20:32<magicalmerlin>hmm now there is a term I never heard befor using a computer as a computer
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20:32<kapil>a user can decide to use a different window manager but the system administrator picks one that most user's would like.
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20:32<magicalmerlin>ah ok EI like gnome versus KDE?
20:33<kapil>well. with the world wide web and social networking it is easy to use a computer more or less like a telephone or tv.
20:34<magicalmerlin>I jsut reloaded, still working on re-aplying my settings
20:34<magicalmerlin>Well, I can testify to one thing, basically all the issues that have cropped up were my own doing and not linux
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20:35<magicalmerlin>nor Debians Fault
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20:36<magicalmerlin>oh mother got an acer note has no idea what linux came on it
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20:36<magicalmerlin>kinda nervouse, she said when it showed up it was in a sony box
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20:37<magicalmerlin>but eh sony, doesn't sell acer and I fear mom may have been...
20:37<magicalmerlin>well you know the saying
20:37<magicalmerlin> I am going to take a look at it tomarow
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20:38<magicalmerlin>She has an Acer Note book 1
20:39<kapil>magicalmerlin: you mean acer aspire one?
20:39<magicalmerlin>maybe that is what she meant to say, I havn't seen it
20:39<magicalmerlin>she paid 384 for it
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20:41<magicalmerlin>she said she is having a hard time with the wirelss
20:41<magicalmerlin>It is the aspire one
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20:43<amphi>magicalmerlin: IIRC, those run something called linpus
20:43<amphi>!tell magicalmerlin -about laptop
20:44<amphi>you may find some useful info at one of those urls
20:45<magicalmerlin>ok ty
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21:02<asteroid>did somebody mess with Xorg?
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21:04<abrotman>asteroid: you?
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21:04<asteroid>haha, no
21:05<asteroid>ok, so there's no known problem?
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21:06<asteroid>i guess it's amarok which is causing the problem then
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21:08<saint-takeshi>hey all
21:08<incal>when I move a window in Gnome, is it possible to only see a square not the entire window until you drop it?
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21:08<abrotman>asteroid: that was so vague .. you qualify for a trip to the UN
21:09<abrotman>incal: yes i believe it is .. let me look
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21:09<saint-takeshi>trying to install debian from a usb flash drive (apparently laptop optical drives weren't designed to withstand the wrath of an angry toddler)
21:10<saint-takeshi>but it keeps talling me it's "not a bootable disk" and then booting back to ubuntu
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21:11<asteroid>intermittently the mousepointer reacts with delay
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21:11<asteroid>no cpu, network or memory problem
21:11<craigevil>saint-takeshi: you might try
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21:13<abrotman>incal: i can't find it, it might be a WM property
21:13<incal>ok thanks anyway i'll look into it
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21:14<abrotman>incal: you're looking for some kind of "Show window contents while moving" or "Wireframe while moving"
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21:15<superjet_busy>failed to fire up conky and cups with same error: Inconsistency detected by ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 550: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed! , what's the problem?
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21:19<ubuntu>hello everyone
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21:19<zell0x>c'è nessuno
21:20<ubuntu>kinda quiet in here
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21:22<amphi>!tell zell0x -about it
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21:22<saint-takeshi>craigevil: thanks a lot, that looks brilliant!
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21:37<magical>amphi, or anyone, I seriosuly need to know where I can get a linux disk that will write zeros to a hdd I think mothers one lap top may have been compromised, kids down loaded runse scape and a few other freebies...maybe I am over reacting..her system is sluggish, and having major issues
21:37<magical>I had a disk once but can't find it
21:37<magical>but I am thinking she may have a few owrms and zombies
21:38<magical>eh thisi sn the new lap top that she has, its new and never been used
21:38<amphi>magical: iso is a handy one; dd can write zeroes all over the disk
21:38*magical isnt
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21:38<magical>ok, thanks.
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21:39<magical>OH THAT IS THE DISK IHAD lol
21:39<dpkg>dban is probably Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction.
21:39<magical>thank you dpkg
21:39<magical>I meant abrotman
21:40<magical>and amphi
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21:43<deniz>i have 384 mb ram and ~600MB swap and get this (convert: unable to extend cache `/tmp/magick-XXDKFH5x': No such file or directory.
21:43<deniz>) when i try to convert a 145 page pdf to jpeg...after the 51st page, it starts to have jpegs that are either ruined or do not work, the first 50 work perfectly
21:43<deniz>(using imagemagick)
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21:44<magical>yeah deabn was the one I had thanks
21:45<abrotman>deniz: it's possible the PDF is mildly messed up .. try to split the PDF and convert in pieces
21:46<deniz>abrotman, i have no problem with the pdf like viewing all the pages
21:46<deniz>abrotman, do i need to make my swap bigger?
21:47<abrotman>deniz: if you split it, you could convert in pieces
21:47<magical>oops eh deban , yeah I was goolging around searching for a way to wipe my HDD from a virus, and came up with hour later I was able to reload..
21:47<deniz>abrotman, cuz it said "unable to extend cache"
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21:47<deniz>abrotman, ya id hate larger swap would solve the problem shouldnt it?
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21:47<deniz>abrotman, if i go from 600 to 2048mb swap lets say
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21:48<abrotman>just freaking try it
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21:48<abrotman>you can also make a swap file so you dont' ahve to create a new partition
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21:59<magicalmerlin>hmm not sure if thi is the place to ask or not, but this game called runescape, I have heard tales it is infected with there any truth to this?
22:00<craigevil>lol even if it was it wouldnt affect linux, my kid plays it all the time
22:00<magicalmerlin>on linux?
22:00<craigevil>yes in firefox plays just fine
22:01<magicalmerlin>well that is cool
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22:01<magicalmerlin>ah ok.. now the next question
22:02<magicalmerlin>mother found a rather vulgar file that says all I want to do is play beeing warlords
22:02<magicalmerlin>eh bleeping
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22:02<magicalmerlin>I never heard of war lords
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22:03<abrotman>yes, wrong channel
22:03<magicalmerlin>hmm were can i go to get edumacted lol
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22:04<magicalmerlin>eh never mind Ill gogole it
22:04<magicalmerlin>see waht it comes up with
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22:09<Flinx>Could anyone tell me why the package "eclipse-cdt" (Eclipse for C/C++) require Eclipse for Java packages?
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22:10<abrotman>because eclipse runs on java ?
22:10<Flinx>Shouldn't it just need the JRE?
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22:12<Flinx>I'm only planning on using Eclipse for some C/C++ dev (which I can get direct from the site)
22:12<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
22:12<Flinx>but I figured that it's usually more efficent to use a Debian package.
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22:14*abrotman would just use anjuta
22:14<abrotman>judd: info anjuta --release etch
22:14<judd>abrotman: anjuta (gnome): is optional; Version: 1:1.2.4a-5; Size: 912.5k; Installed: 2040k -- A GNOME development IDE for C/C++
22:15<Flinx>I'm looking at Eclipse because it has a plugin for LSL
22:15<abrotman>Life Size Legumes ?
22:15<Flinx>otherwise I appreciate suggestions
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22:15<Flinx>Linden Scripting Language
22:15<abrotman>nope .. can't help there
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22:16<Flinx>I found plenty of resources for LSL
22:16<abrotman>how are you installing eclipse-cdt ?
22:16<Flinx>I was checking dependencies with Synaptic
22:17<abrotman>is there an option to not install recommends ?
22:17<Flinx>but I usually do "aptitude install -package-"
22:17<Flinx>lemme look
22:18<abrotman>did you try -R ?
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22:19<Flinx>what does -R do?
22:19<abrotman>man aptitude
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22:19<Flinx>shoulda known better ;)
22:20<magicalmerlin>Wow they fixed the bug in ice weasle
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22:20<Flinx>lemme try that
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22:24<abrotman>Flinx: any better?
22:24<Flinx>abrotman, There are still a lot of questionable dependencies
22:24<abrotman>Flinx: it's java
22:24*abrotman hides
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22:26<Flinx>abrotman, why hides?
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22:26<abrotman>to not incur the wrath of someone
22:26<Flinx>abrotman, I just get suspicious of things being installed that I don't know what they are/do
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22:28<Flinx>I should stop bothering people now >.>
22:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
22:31<Flinx>apparently... I just download and run the thing... that makes me wonder what aptitude is installing >.<
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22:31<abrotman>stuffish type thingies
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22:32*Flinx refuses to believe what aptitude says
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22:35<Flinx>thanks abrotman ! you seem to be a never-ending font of info for me :D
22:35*abrotman gushes
22:36*magicalmerlin had to much sugar is having difficulty focussing
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22:36<magicalmerlin>Well, I did a fresh net install, Iceweasles been fixed :)
22:37*Flinx gets a bucket for abrotman ?
22:37<Flinx>Iceweasel was broke?
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22:37<magicalmerlin>yeah I did a fresh net install and that security thingy is no more
22:37<enouf>speak english and coherently
22:37*magicalmerlin has had way to much sugar
22:37<enouf>your j0'm0mma is borke
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22:38<magicalmerlin>Well, before I reinsatlled I kept getting your browser is out of date you need to up date
22:38<Flinx>that wasn't English or coherent?
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22:39<Flinx>heh... magicalmerlin thats because the homepage is/was out of date
22:39<magicalmerlin>eh oh
22:39*magicalmerlin scmpers to a corner
22:39<Flinx>magicalmerlin, I did the -exact- same thing ;)
22:40<Flinx>but it just happens to be like that an out-of-box Lenny install
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22:40<magicalmerlin>hmm I guess it was all in timng * sigh
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22:41<Flinx>just as an FYI tho... Iceweasel (Lenny) is version 3.0.4 and I think the latest is 3.0.5 *shrug*
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22:41<magicalmerlin>hmm well, I tried the dvd install, eh one tiny isue, I couldn't figure out why it only updated from the cd which did not have conversation
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22:42<magicalmerlin>wonders how to install the latest weasle the easy way
22:43<magicalmerlin>well at least I am stable now, won't ever stick that ati thing in my pc ever again
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22:43<Flinx>did you fix the Update issue?
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22:44<Flinx>because that has an easy solution ;)
22:46<magicalmerlin>lol ehI jsut net loaded that fixed it eh brb laundry
22:47<Flinx>In future (for DVD installs) you need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list ;)
22:47<Flinx>and I was wrong, it looks like 3.0.4 is the latest stable Iceweasel
22:48<Flinx>anyways... time for me to sleep.
22:48<Flinx>Gnight all!
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23:05<enouf>use midori if you want FF like crap - without the bloat - (no gecko bloat engine - uses webkit and tcl/tk - lighweightish like epiphany-browser)
23:06<enouf>i don't even recall what dumbass was talking about iceweasel/firepoop
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23:14<Joseph>alguien aqui?
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23:52<drakeman>hey debianist, how r u guys
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23:56<eljefe>My XOrg (server I believe) crashes when I try to watch video, usually when Kaffeine starts the second clip if I have a series of them, but sometimes with the first clip even if its opening from my file manager. I think its related to this bug . Mostly I am on Sid with some KDE4 from Experimental, using the closed fglrx (ATi) driver. Is it OK to remove the packages "xserver-xorg-video-
23:56<eljefe>all" and "xserver-xorg-video-mga" or will that pretty much kill my X and driver setup?
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