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00:03<funkpuppet>I am wondering if my debian installation is completely hosed
00:04<funkpuppet>It's not booting and giving me a GRUB Error 17
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00:05<funkpuppet>Now I've done some looking around on that error,
00:06<funkpuppet>but when I start a computer using a live CD the only directories it finds in my linux partitions are lost+found and var
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00:07<funkpuppet>has anyone seen anything like this before? It's been a while since I booted the computer up, can't trace it to anything I did
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00:10<s3a>is there any software that allows me to use my webcam as a video recording device for non internet related uses?
00:10<s3a>that is in repositories
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00:12<funkpuppet>s3a -- have you looked at Cheese?
00:12<funkpuppet>I don't know how sophisticated it is but it will record video from a cam
00:12<simonrvn>camorama; cheese; gtkam
00:12<s3a>funkpuppet, thanks! ill check it out (i dont need anything sophisticated anyway)
00:13<funkpuppet>np hope it works out
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00:17<NickPresta>I'm a little confused on what will become of the 'current' testing branch. In the past, I've always used Debian Stable so when a new 'stable' version was released, I updated to that and that was the end. Now, I'm using 'testing'. What happens when Lenny becomes 'stable'? I have 'testing' in my sources.list. Do I suddenly start using the next testing repo or will I have a 'stable' system? Thanks.
00:19<s3a>NickPresta, if you want to stay with testing always then keep it on 'testing'...if you want to stay with lenny even when it is stable change the word 'testing' to 'lenny'
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00:19<NickPresta>s3a, ah okay. I wish to stay with testing, what ever that is at any given time. I will keep testing. Thanks
00:19<s3a>NickPresta, np
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00:42<enouf>s3a: might also want to mention the possible flood of issues that happens to testing, once Lenny is released as Stable - since the Freeze period kept many things from propagating down into Lenny from Sid, .. and since many less users have used the newer software, less bugs are noticed/reported/fixed .. so anyone staying on "testing" when lenny is released should expect some breakage soon thereafter ;-)
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00:42<enouf>s3a: though .. i don't know how to say that in less than a full paragraph :-P
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01:09<steves>peeps there?
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01:11<scrounch_>steves: hi!
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01:13<Acai>hi, i'm having endless problems writing to an NTFS drive. i've install a few programmes to do the trick, but none have worked. they are ntfsutils and ntfs-3g
01:13<Acai>ntfs3g says i need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.20, i'm running 18
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01:14<cahoot>so you already got the fix
01:14<Acai>what do you mean?
01:15<cahoot>need to upgrade kernel
01:15<Acai>2.6.20 doesn't seem to be in the stable repository
01:15<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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01:17<Acai>so, if i add that repository, i'll just be able to install the new kernel? i'm doing this all so i can backup my important files to a friend's ntfs portable hard drive and wipe my drive
01:17<Acai>great... a ghost
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01:19<Acai>cahoot: so, if i add that repository, i'll just be able to install the new kernel? i'm doing this all so i can backup my important files to a friend's ntfs portable hard drive and wipe my drive
01:22<cahoot>Acai: seems you need some ugrade as the errormsg implies - etchnhalf seems the least intrusive
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01:25<steves>Hey.someone, anyone :) Ive recently installed lenny on my Eeepc laptop. Installed RubyGem, and everythings seems to work fine. except that none of the gem i've installed seems to work... I guess that the system never reads the ggem's executable dir. How do I fix.
01:27<Acai>alright, thanks, i'm install now
01:29<steves>(excuse my horrible spelling and punctuation, these laptop keys are way too small :)
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01:30<kop>Ya know, the bot msg, or the referenced web pages, for etchnhalf need fixing. Etchnhalf has gone into the stable release, and I don't think any of the instructions mention that you can just install it with apt. (Some might still need a new installer. I don't know the status there.)
01:31<Acai>kop: that's what i was wondering and i searched with aptitude and am using apt to install
01:32<dmoerner>steves, don't expect gems to integrate at all with debian.
01:32<kop>Acai : The only time people will have trouble with that is if the 2.6.18 kernel does not support network access. Then they'll need to install the newer kernel with an installer.
01:32<Metatron>is the a way to add an app to the panel to be ran as root?
01:32<Acai>i'm planning on install lenny after running spinrite to fix the bad sectors of my drive
01:32<kop>(FYI, shorewall seems to be configured for 2.6.18 and does not load the right modules under 2.6.24. No suprise there.)
01:33<snogglethorpe>anyone remember the tool that allows one to tweak various detailed gtk settings? it lets you do things like reduce/increase whitespace between widgets etc (independently of wahtever theme you're using)?
01:33<kop>Metatron : No. You right click. Or gnome will let you drag and drop. (It all depends on your window manager.)
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01:33<snogglethorpe>dmoerner: no it's something more specific to tweaking theme settings
01:34<Metatron>gnome, some apps in the menu have a "run as root" beside them, i just want to mimic that
01:34<snogglethorpe>(it's nice because you can e.g., really tighten up the acres of whitesapce some gtk themes use...)
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01:35<Metatron>i see how use gksu
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01:35<kop>Metatron : Ok. I didn't understand your question.
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01:36<starnull>i'm using aptitude to install some packages and i'm getting this message
01:36<starnull>WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
01:38<fxiny>some packages ? you should know why
01:38<dmoerner>steves, yes?
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01:38<steves>hey man. got some trouble getting rubygems to work propely in debian lenny
01:38<starnull>fxiny: i don't understand. i'm not sure how aptitude verifies the authenticity of packages. am i missing something?
01:38<dmoerner>steves, i sent you a link
01:38<dmoerner>to explain why gems and debian don't play nice
01:39<steves>where the link?
01:39<fxiny>starnull: could be a gpg key : is it a bpo package you already downloaded ?
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01:39<steves>:) hehe tanx
01:39<dmoerner>start on dec 8
01:39<dmoerner>and read forward
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01:40<dmoerner>or rather first read the may 6 post by gunnar
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01:41<fxiny>starnull: anyway that is a warning , you can press y/yes to let aptitude know *you* trust that package
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01:45<starnull>fxiny: yeah. it was a tor package. keys are present.
01:46<fxiny>starnull: tor ? maybe i know what you mean . a w* package ? i trust w* , import the required key or just press y/yes
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01:50<kop>fxiny : He probably ment tor as the in the onion router.
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01:52<superjet_busy>how to change qt into qt4 with cdbs of, eg. how to pass QMAKE things into debian/rules?
01:53<fxiny>kop: afaik there are debianized packages avaiable by a well known debian developper
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01:55<fxiny>kop: last time i tried , installing tor in debian was a breeze ;)
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01:57<dmoerner>steves, yes?
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01:58<steves>hey. :) checked the link... so Ruby~Gems aint liked hehe... i need to get them working however... is there a way?
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01:59<steves>individual gems wont fire up when called
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02:01<steves>stefan@debian:~$ rails
02:01<steves>bash: rails: command not found
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02:05<dmoerner>rails: /usr/bin/rails
02:05<dmoerner>is rails installed?
02:05<dmoerner>or even in your path?
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02:07<steves>the rails excecutables is store at /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin
02:07<steves>*are stored at
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02:08<steves>but i dont know how to link em up to bash
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02:12<steves>is there a way?
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02:15<brunner>I have a server with an encrypted partition. They key to mount it is not stored on the server, so the partition can only be mounted remotely. What methods could be used to attack my box while it's still running? (assuming no passwords could be guessed or brute-forced via the keyboard interface)
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02:16<brunner>So... once the server is turned off and unplugged from the internet, the encrypted data would be pretty useless. It would have to be attacked physically while the server is still running. What methods of attack are available to an adversary in the datacenter where the server is co-located?
02:19<steves>dmoerner? you still there?
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02:20<dmoerner>export PATH=/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin:$PATH
02:21<steves>sweet tnx:)
02:21<steves>i run this in konsole right?
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02:23<steves>works like a charm :) graciaz...
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02:25<brunner>so no ideas?
02:25<fxiny>brunner: yes , trying to remember
02:26<fxiny>brunner: key can be retireved from the ram in the data center , clear it up
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02:27<brunner>how would they retrieve it?
02:27<fxiny>by freezing the ram , is a known attack . ask google
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02:33<brunner>fxiny: great point, thanks!
02:33<fxiny>brunner: i have a home encryted etch , full encryupted swap included . just for fun . i've done it my way : i set the luks layer up then i've cloned a normal etch over it . easy :)
02:33<brunner>fxiny: the youtube video here is excellent on the topic:
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02:34<fxiny>brunner: you know ? starting from scratch , a new install , can be annoying , but cloning is much easier
02:35<fxiny>brunner: and performances are very good
02:36<fxiny>i mean , only one partition encryped is not enough
02:36<brunner>I only need to encrypt the mysql data and some web scripts
02:36<fxiny>i see
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02:37<brunner>if I had a dedicated server, would it be possible to create a RAM disk and repartition the hard drive remotely?
02:37<fxiny>anyway , mine is a home system , average/low hardware , i'm talking performances , and they are very good : debian rulez :=)
02:37<brunner>by working from the RAM disk?
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02:41<fxiny>brunner: never done that . how do you clone a system ? you set new partition up and you copy over . ok ? set the luks layer up from your runnig system . make the initrd in your old system , cp it over , boot and set things up . i have used scrub for sanitizing it , scrub won't cook your hd
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02:43<fxiny>i have no particular reasons for a luks system but i do not care about eyecandy , so i use avaiable resources for encryption
02:43<brunner>oh, gotit
02:43<fxiny>brunner: i can give you an url in a sec
02:43<brunner>okay, thanks
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02:45<fxiny>brunner: , iirc there is more , just browse the site
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02:48<fxiny>brunner: np
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03:06*enouf fires up the nail gun air compressor and aims it at fxiny :-P
03:08*fxiny powers the magetic shield up . collects all nails , and sell 'em on ebay
03:09<fxiny>enouf: we are the blanked generation :=)
03:10<enouf>fxiny: haha ...
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03:25<D1ablo>oh dear
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03:26<D1ablo>man my 7600GS is running at 95 C
03:27<fxiny>95 ? that's gentoo boiling point :P
03:28<enouf>email @thanks nvidia
03:28<D1ablo>this is not good
03:29<D1ablo>Mr.scotty> icrease more fan power speed
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03:29<enouf>D1ablo: why not setup a nice table fan for it - constantly blow cool air over it :-P
03:29<enouf>or .. get a case of compressed air cans :-)
03:30<fxiny>enouf: no jokes , i want the intevil i7 power saving
03:30<fxiny>i have to wait
03:30*D1ablo thinking converting the pc to hot oven pizza
03:30<enouf>fxiny: i want D1ablo 's GPU RAM!! :-P
03:30<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
03:31<D1ablo>enouf> you can have it after it reach 120 c
03:33<fxiny>enouf: compressed air cans are old technology , i use advanced tech : to clear off dust , i play with my bicycle pump :P
03:33<fxiny>no jokes
03:34<enouf>fxiny: i remember! :-)
03:34<fxiny>enouf: :)
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03:35<D1ablo>i had an old pentium pro 180mhz overclocked it to 233mhz ran copper tube through the cpu fan worked greate untill condensation started to play up
03:36<D1ablo>in the 6 month the pc turn into 1700 century relic
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03:36<enouf>you certainly don;t have any 7600GS hooked into that thing
03:36<D1ablo>s3? :-)
03:37<D1ablo>with 2mb ram ?
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03:37<enouf>my p150 has a trident w/1M ram :-p
03:38<D1ablo>thats hepa compared to my XT machine with 16k :-P
03:38<D1ablo>they also comes in 4k mono :-)
03:39<D1ablo>you be seeing things in 2 shade green in no time
03:40*D1ablo laughs at the turbo switch :-)
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03:48<computer>im downloading linux mint, hope it is as good as they say it is. burning it to a cd now... :)
03:48<fxiny>why are you telling us ?
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03:49<computer>is it worth it?
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03:51<D1ablo>computer> you should ask in #mint?
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03:52<computer>hmm dont think they have irc
03:52<computer>or server
03:52<gsimmons>!linux mint
03:52<dpkg>from memory, linux mint is a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ See <Based on Debian>., or
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03:55<D1ablo>when i installed ubuntu my system just crawled
03:55<D1ablo>went back to etch
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03:56<D1ablo>oh dear
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03:56<D1ablo>etch and a half
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04:00<craigevil>mint is just ubuntu with all the multimedia codecs/drivres and a prettier desktop, its still ubuntu which means its still crap
04:00<Supaplex>and off topic in #debian :)
04:01<Supaplex>would you like to install the real debian?
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04:09<EmleyMoor>I've been trying to backport ekiga from experimental, but can't get H263 when I do
04:10<Supaplex>have you communicated with the maintainer? they might know
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04:10<EmleyMoor>Not as yet - been upstream to no avail - but will try
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04:12<EmleyMoor>In fact, one of the people I have been in touch with is one of the maintainers
04:13<EmleyMoor>No - no need for uupdate - the version in experimental is fine - it's just getting that codec that's a problem
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04:20<EmleyMoor>Do any of you know a current market webcam that works in Linux?
04:21<cahoot>logitech 9000 seems well supported by uvcvideo
04:21<EmleyMoor>I'll look out for it
04:21<cahoot>even my logitech 5000 runs fine
04:21<cahoot>check uvcvideos site
04:22<EmleyMoor>The one I've got plugged in right now is a Logitech but not current market
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04:25<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... might be an idea to print that page before shopping
04:25<scientes__>whats the new filesystem
04:25<cahoot>they should link to bestbuy
04:26<scientes__>no btfs
04:28<D1ablo>passive heatsink man..SUX
04:28<D1ablo>95c and going up
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05:09<brunner>is there a hardware solution that handles disk encryption that is supported by linux or any of the BSDs?
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05:15<dondelelcaro> brunner why use hardware disk encryption?
05:15<brunner>to keep the key out of RAM to prevent cold boot attacks
05:16<dondelelcaro>there's nothing magical about hardware that would prevent that
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05:17<dondelelcaro>(there are a whole host of physical access to the machine attacks which can subvert encryption)
05:18<D1ablo>re we talking about laptop encryption ?
05:19<dondelelcaro>if it really matters, get a machine that follows the TCG specifications
05:20<D1ablo>oh dear
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05:20<brunner>D1ablo: no. a server.
05:20<D1ablo>dondeelbarato> you lost me!
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05:21<D1ablo>password encryption ?
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05:22<D1ablo>got myself 5 ibm 306 e servers mount rack but X series :-(
05:22<brunner>I'm looking to encrypt a partition that contains a DB and some web scripts
05:23<brunner>and I'd like to send the key via SSH or SSL after power outages
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05:24<dondelelcaro>brunner: assuming the machine has reasonable physical security, I wouldn't worry about cold boot attacks; you can use any of the software encyrption methods that are fast enough/secure enough for your procedure; see the installer documentation for details
05:24<dondelelcaro>brunner: the general method is to nnnnot bring up the database on reboot until the partition that is encrypted is mounted.
05:25<brunner>that would be the plan
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05:25<D1ablo>you can perhaps palce the key on a memory stick
05:26<brunner>I will have no physical access
05:26<brunner>which is why the encrypted partition has to be mounted remotely
05:28<brunner>fxiny: thanks
05:28<fxiny>ulocking via ssh
05:28<brunner>woah, an encrypted root partition
05:28<brunner>via ssh
05:29<brunner>I was planning on settling on just encrypting a partition
05:29<fxiny>brunner: np . all credits to debian-admin ppl
05:29<brunner>or rather, I was planning on just using a single file as the home for my encrypted partition
05:30<brunner>and now that I think about it, since this will be on a dedicated server, I don't think I'll be able to partition the hard drive
05:30<brunner>unless you know a way to do it while the box is running
05:30<fxiny>brunner: iirc someone uses a key gpg encrypted . but can't rememebr where i read it
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05:47<stickman>i got postfix working ok if it's on the same subnet as my other boxes. what hoop do i jump thru if it's on a box behind a router?
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05:49<sylarr>is there some instant-messaging client/server that doesn't allow file transfers?
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06:04<fxiny>sylarr: gui ?
06:05<fxiny>sylarr: no idea then , iirc bitlbee won't allow msn and friend to transfer files
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06:05<Lethalman>sylarr: current version of empathy doesn't support file transfer
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06:11<And1>Heya, can I rename my raids, e.g. /dev/md2 to /dev/md0?
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06:29<lloowen>Hello all! New to debian. I'm trying to download via the synaptic, but when I click 'apply' in synaptic it asks me to put in a cd. I thought I could download via the net!
06:29<fxiny>comment out the cd line in your sources.list
06:30<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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06:30<lloowen>Thanks for speedy reply
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06:56<energetix>hey loba can you see me
06:57<lloowen>Got it working thanks. If I see this statement 'cannot stat compile/svscan : No such file or directory' does that mean I am missing a package from the repositories?
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07:07<energetix11>anybody here
07:08<energetix11>oh so you can see my messages , cool i was setting this client up
07:08<energetix11>i thought since there is no activity here , no users
07:08<dpkg>Test Failed.
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07:15*energetix11 listens
07:16<dpkg>Everybody's got a water buffalo, yours is fast but mine is slow.....
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07:19<energetix812>can anybody see my messages?
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07:20*amphi can
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07:20<chealer>lloowen: when doing what?
07:20<energetix812>when chatting
07:21<energetix812>is there nobody communicating because i can't see any messages
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07:23<cahoot>it's just slow
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07:24<cahoot>energetix11: you use debian?
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07:24<cahoot>energetix11: in that case #debian on is livelier
07:24<energetix11>oh ok thanks, i thought something is wrong with my irc client , i just set it up
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07:25<And1>When I try to start X, my .xsession-errors says: "mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied"
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07:26<cahoot>And1: what does ls -ld /tmp return?
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07:27<And1>drwxr-xr-t 5 root root
07:27<cahoot>And1: debian?
07:27<And1>cahoot: Yup.
07:28<cahoot>try as root chmod 1777 /tmp
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07:28<KiDFlaSh>which version of flash do you have?
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07:29<And1>Yeah... that was easy, hehe. Thanks cahoot. =) Do I also have to do the same with /var/tmp?
07:29<cahoot>no don't
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07:30<cahoot>And1: you mean /var/tmp also has those perms?
07:30<cahoot>drwxr-xr-t 5 root root
07:30<cahoot>how come?
07:30<cahoot>drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4096 26 okt 00.17 /var/tmp here
07:30<And1>Dunno. What permission should it have? - Ah ok.
07:31<And1>The permissions were like that after changed to new hdds and cloned my old system on the harddrives.
07:31<KiDFlaSh>does your flash work?
07:32<cahoot>And1: wonder what else perms are messed up then
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07:32<And1>cahoot: I hope none. :P The only change, /tmp and /var/tmp are separate partitions now, it wasn't like that before.
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07:32<cahoot>And1: ok
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07:34<fxiny>KiDFlaSh: running etch ?
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07:37<And1>Anyone knows how I can rename raid-devices?
07:38<superjet_busy>!udev rule
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07:39<dpkg>well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
07:40<KiDFlaSh>!adobe flash
07:40<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
07:40<craigevil>KiDFlaSh: take a look at
07:41<KiDFlaSh>i have lenny
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07:44<And1>superjet_busy: Was that for me?
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07:47<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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07:48<superjet_busy>And1: yes, you can write one udev for your device
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07:49<And1>superjet_busy: Mh, where would I have to do this, any link to a documentation?
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07:51<And1>superjet_busy: Raid md0 and md1 don't exist anymore, so I want to rename md2-md6...
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07:52<superjet_busy>And1: just google `udev write rule md0`
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07:52<And1>superjet_busy: Thanks. :)
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07:53<superjet_busy>And1: what's md0-1 point to now?
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07:53<And1>superjet_busy: Shall I see it in dev?
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07:55<And1>There they are not listed anymore.
07:55<superjet_busy>And1: you may use udev-info to get more information
07:55<superjet_busy>And1: do you mount them now?
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07:56<And1>superjet_busy: md0 and md1 where my old raids, I don't use it and its drives anymore.
07:57<superjet_busy>there is no /dev/md0 now?
07:58<superjet_busy>udev will create them automatic if they exist
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07:59<superjet_busy>what's you want? does udev recognize them now?
08:00<KiDFlaSh> i get this output
08:00<KiDFlaSh>the repos dont work?
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08:00<And1>I want md2 to be md0, md3 to be md1, ...
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08:02<superjet_busy>And1: write udev rule to rename them or just symlink them into md0 and md1
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08:03<KiDFlaSh>. whats up there?
08:04<superjet_busy>KiDFlaSh: import the site's key
08:04<And1>superjet_busy: Uh, writing a udev rule seems to be complex. :P
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08:05<KiDFlaSh>superjet_busy, where can i find the key?
08:05<simonrvn>on their web site....
08:05<superjet_busy>And1: it's simple indeed, just match them uniq will be ok
08:06<KiDFlaSh>you mean i have to install the keyring?
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08:07<simonrvn>apt-key add
08:07<simonrvn>!apt-key add FOO
08:07<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys add FOO ; gpg --export add FOO | sudo apt-key add -
08:07<simonrvn>the foo is the keyid
08:08<ferdo>help trouble with antix
08:08<superjet_busy>KiDFlaSh: install debian-multimedia-keyring
08:08<KiDFlaSh>thank you
08:08<KiDFlaSh>i downloaded it
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08:09<craigevil>KiDFlaSh: sudo dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16.deb
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08:10<simonrvn>better yet ^^^
08:10<simonrvn>!tell ferdo -about ask
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08:10<And1>superjet_busy: Hrm, I hope I'll find an example on google... :-o
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08:11<KiDFlaSh>i know how to install .deb craigevil
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08:12<fxiny>debian-multimedia key is 1F41B907
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08:14<KiDFlaSh>thx for help
08:14<KiDFlaSh>it work
08:14<superjet_busy>adama: lots of them in the web, like
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08:23<And1>superjet_busy: What if I just modify my /etc/ Found it while greping for "md0"...
08:25<superjet_busy>And1: it's autogened so you'd better to div for you udev rule ;-)
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08:27<And1>superjet_busy: I see. =)
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08:34<enouf>And1: also note; /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and /etc/default/mdadm
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08:35<KiDFlaSh>some one is running gnome 2.24 on lenny?
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08:57<ferdo>help please
08:57<And1>enouf: Hrm, there's nothing relevant in /etc/default/mdadm, mh?
08:57<abrotman>ferdo: you have to ask a question
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09:24<enouf>And1: likely not, just noting it to avoid gotchas
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09:53<Xeross>hey, somehow my rc.local doesn't get run, because i've put the apache and ftp start commands in there but they don't get started
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09:53<Xeross>when i reboot/start the server
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09:57<faissal>Is there any document that can help me to get involved into the devlopment of debian and give some help to debian?
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10:09<compgeek3232>hello, I've got a quick question. I just compiled my kernel and successfully installed the modules. I'm to the point of editing the menu.lst file, but need to create my initrd. mkinitrd doesn't seem to be installed, what package is this in?
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10:09<azeem>compgeek3232: has a search feature for that
10:10<compgeek3232>"Sorry, your search gave no results
10:10<compgeek3232>"Sorry, your search gave no results"
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10:11<azeem>compgeek3232: works for me
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10:11<azeem>compgeek3232: maybe you used the wrong search form on that page
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10:12<cahoot>isn't the name changed? initramfs?
10:12<compgeek3232>I found mkinitrd, but it's not available through apt.
10:12<compgeek3232>it was in initrd-tools
10:13<azeem>which that search is for to find out
10:13<compgeek3232>it was in initrd-tools, but apt doesn't have that... I'm looking for an alternate package.
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10:14<compgeek3232>any idea what package replaced initrd-tools?
10:14<azeem>why don't you search in what package that file is for your version of Debian?
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10:15<compgeek3232>AzaTht: are you trying to be unhelpfull today? I just did a search. It just told me it was in initrd-tools. I tried downloading that, and that package does not exist.
10:15<azeem>compgeek3232: then maybe you didn't search for your version of debian?
10:15<AzaTht>compgeek3232: uh?
10:15<compgeek3232>I found that... seems to be a different system. I'll have to play with it.
10:15<compgeek3232>AzaTht: sorry. wrong name completion. :)
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10:31<donny>can anyone tell me about the Etch package oss-compat? it installs a shell command in /lib/oss-compat/linux and nothing else meaningful
10:31<donny>the shell command itself fails
10:31<donny>install: unrecognized option `--ignore-install'
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10:46<aetheria>no, it does some modification of which sound modules get loaded
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10:47<aetheria>it sets up a symlink in modprobe.d
10:48<aetheria>that syntax is probably used by whatever system uses modprobe.d
10:48<donny>oh i see
10:48<aetheria>udev or something i would guess
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10:49<donny>audio on linux has never been something i learned anything about unfortunately, it's all very mysterious to me (althoguh i suppose that's not really related to the confusion i came here to resolve)
10:49<aetheria>!tell donny about alsa checklist
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10:52<aetheria>try aplay -l to list devices
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10:54<donny>i'm sorry, my audio works fine (except that i don't run a mixer so only one application can play sound at a time)
10:54<donny>i'm just investigating a problem with some software that seems to use OSS for sound output
10:55<donny>it's throwing errno 16 (device/resource busy)
10:55<donny>but i'm not really sure what device node it might be trying to open
10:55<donny>it's not as if i can ask lsof files which have failed to be opened
10:55<aetheria>it sickens me that, in 2008, there are still apps using oss
10:55<donny>it's from 2006 ;)
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10:55<aetheria>alsa has been the standard for what, 8 years now?
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10:57<aetheria>donny: try lsof |grep snd (as root)
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10:58<aetheria>donny: you could try to use strace with it
10:58<aetheria>e.g. strace -s 128 -o /tmp/strace.out myapp
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10:59<donny>well fwiw, i've found several bugs in PyMedia already (on windows) and the author seems very disinterested in doing anything about them
11:00<donny>aetheria: mixer_app had /dev/snd/controlC0 open, but i don't think that should hurt
11:00<donny>i killed it anyway, no change in pymedia behavior
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11:01<donny>to be honest though, i'm evaluating PyMedia as an API to use in my software, so this seems like a vote to not use it
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11:01<donny>still i'd like to take this opportunity to learn a bit about linux audio
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11:01<aetheria>donny: look into aoss perhaps
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11:02<donny>airstation one-touch secure system?
11:02<cahoot>donny: oss apps use /dev/dsp
11:02<donny>ah no i found it
11:03<donny>cahoot: not lsof results for dsp
11:03<cahoot>as root fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
11:03<And1>Heya... ls -alF /home says, home belongs to 1001:1001... why that and not root:root?
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11:04<donny>cahoot: also nothing. any reason lsof isn't good enough? (although i can see why fuser would be faster)
11:04<cahoot>no just habit
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11:05<donny>aetheria: naive invocation of aoss also caused no changes. i think i may just ditch PyMedia altogether. i've already written a lot of C code with ffmpeg's libs, i'll just have to continue using C for that part of my software i guess
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11:07<saint>Where can I get a list of the lastest debian repos?
11:08<cahoot>saint: latest in what respect?
11:08<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
11:09<And1>Can I just do "chown root:root home/"?
11:10<fxiny>home is root.staff
11:11<cahoot>drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 7 nov 2007 /home
11:11<saint>Well, I mean current.
11:11<cahoot>current is etch
11:12<cahoot> saint
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11:12<fxiny>bloody *dell* : i still have root.staff :P
11:12<And1>Thanks guys. =)
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11:14<And1>'mount -a' tells me: "mount: special device proc does not exist", /srv/sid/proc that is, my chroot-proc-directory... it exists.
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11:15<donny>And1: what does mtab tell you?
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11:16<And1>Uh, command not found. :P
11:16<And1>You mean m<TAB>? =)
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11:17<cahoot> cat /etc/mtab
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11:18<And1>Mh, it does not list a second proc (for chroot)...
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11:19<donny>And1: i don't know much about chroot -- does it get its own $chrootpath/etc/mtab ?
11:20<And1>Mh, yeah, this file exists. There's proc, sysfs and smbnetfs in it.
11:20<And1>"proc /proc proc rw 0 0"
11:20<donny>hmm, but mount -a insists it doesn't exist when run within the chroot environment?
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11:21<And1>I run mount -a in my normal environment.
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11:22<donny>oh, that's what's giving you the error about no proc?
11:22<And1>Yup. Sorry I did not tell you. :P
11:22<donny>that's extremely weird
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11:29<mihkel>Hi, question about umask
11:29<mihkel>in debian default umask is 022
11:29<mihkel>will anything break if I change it to 077 or 027?
11:29<mihkel>this machine is not a server
11:30<Nazcafan>how do I ask make-kpkg to use the two cores of my computer?
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11:32<cahoot>Nazcafan: man make-kpkg - see CONCURRENCY_LEVEL
11:32<Nazcafan>cahoot, aah, thanks
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11:33<Nazcafan>what a joke
11:33<Nazcafan>it finished compiling just when I was about to set the option
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11:39<enouf>heh, even newer dpkg-buildpackage have a -j option ;-)
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11:50<alprincenofl>any body there ?
11:50<enouf>what's up
11:50<enouf>no, nobody here
11:50<alprincenofl>what is this chat ?
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11:53<saint>Hormonal Disorders.
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11:56<fxiny>enouf: hey
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11:58<dpkg>one warez list being sent to wellaaa
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12:11<hollo_>im looking for the ability to build many small networks on a existing ip range.. ex. is my network.. i want to split it into a bunch of minor networks, which i would like to block on a port basis in a switch.. do anyone know if such hardware exists.. or will i have to use a router and a switch for that? pretty much what bigger ISP operators are doing
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12:14<abrotman>hollo_: you might want to ask #networking on freenode
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12:14<hollo_>abrotman, thanks.. a was looking for a group called #network on different nets.. thanks
12:16<pioruns>hey guts do you know polish speaking irc channel about debian?
12:16<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:18<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
12:19<hypnotic>Hi, I am not a 3d gamer and I want to setup a dual videocard pc, I want to use it for vdpau and 2 or 3 monitors + a tv, I am thinking on to combinations, 2x 8600gt or 1x 9800gt and 1x 8600gt, any advise on this setup?
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12:20<hypnotic>i also use photoshop and gimp, dont know if it makes any difference
12:20<pioruns>thanks dpkg
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12:21<hollo_>hypnotic, hmm.. any suggestions? what are you thinking about? i have 2 dell monitors and a nvidia 6000 series card.. works really well with 2 monitors.
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12:23<hypnotic>hollo: well i read a ton of reviews, but they are all for windows and 3d, its hard to find benchmarks and specs on the issues i find important and thats hd video decoding, video acceleration on all monitors (7600gt only allows 1 monitor to have this) and some 3d for compiz and maybe casual gaming
12:24<hollo_>hypnotic, ohh.. well im not that much into the performence, i use openbox.. and thats all.. i can play xmoto on both monitors tho.. thats pretty much all that i know :/
12:24<hypnotic>hollo: aha ok
12:25<hollo_>hypnotic, im sorry that i cannot help you with the hd thingie, i have never worked with films.. but i know that nvidia cards are very well supported in linux, and dual monitor is not a problem at all..
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12:25<saavedra>hello everybod
12:26<hollo_>hypnotic, i dont think im that helpful.. but i just want to say that i have good experiences with nvidia
12:26<enouf>hypnotic: this is not exactly what you're asking about, and if you mean 2x or 3x Video cards in one Box/PC .. then take a gander at this anyway;
12:26<enouf>er .. did i mean hollo_ ?
12:26<hypnotic>hollo: dual monitor works pretty good with my 7600gt, tv recognition is lame (tv has to be off when drivers initialize) and its annoying that you cannot have 2 monitors and a tv on 1 gpu
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12:28<hypnotic>enouf: hi enouf, nice to see you again, its hypnotic but my name was already in use
12:29<hypnotic>enouf: nice link, i dont want different desktops for multiple users but its nice for getting an idea how the hardware works
12:29<enouf>have you gandered at xinerama? how about ? though the latter concerns using 1 pc per card ... maybe some ideas, or maybe the project is dead - you should be asking about in radeon, nvidia, xorg related channels
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12:29<hypnotic>enouf: xinerama? I use twinview at the moment
12:29<enouf>hypnotic: nice to see you too ;-)
12:29<enouf>hypnotic: ahh .. binary blobs .. ok
12:29<clinX>#ubuntu es
12:29<hypnotic>enouf: i just want 1 big desktop
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12:30<hypnotic>enouf: o i see my name is correct in this chatroom, other room i had a generic name
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12:30<enouf>hypnotic: heh
12:31<fxiny>hypnotic: like this one ?
12:31<hypnotic>enouf: i am finally getting a new pc after those ram troubles and now i am little stuck at deciding on a videocard solution
12:31<hypnotic>enouf: yes
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12:32<enouf>i see
12:32<enouf>i think you meant to say yes to fxiny, hypnotic ;-)
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12:33<hypnotic>enouf: with 2 vcards i can connect my 2 lcds and my tv and have them all working at the same time, i read a lot on the geforce 9 series but i think i am not gonna use all of that speed an stuff (execfpt for vdpau, i am really curious about that)
12:33<enouf>hypnotic: all i know is lot's of new things are able to be done using xrandr in lenny and up
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12:33<hypnotic>fxiny: hi fxiny, yes thats what i mean :p
12:33*enouf has no idea what "vdpau" is
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12:34<hypnotic>enouf: purevideo for linux
12:34<fxiny>hypnotic: ask xmonad ppl then
12:34<dpkg>hmm... v4l is video for linux.
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12:35<dpkg>hmm... v4l2 is
12:35<enouf>!dual monitors
12:35<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See,, Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>
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12:36<enouf>for nvidia specific things, try #nvidia on
12:36<hypnotic>enouf: i think its easier to use twinview from nvidia
12:36<enouf>also, maybe #v4l ? or similar?
12:37<hypnotic>nvidia does support the present xrandr but not the 1.2
12:37<hypnotic>enouf: no its not v4l
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12:37<enouf>well .. i thought you were talking about 3 monitors with 2 video cards ... and wasn't sure until now about binary blobs .,,
12:37<hypnotic>binary blobs?
12:38<dpkg>blob is, like, a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See:
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12:39<hypnotic>enouf: is this bug still in the nvidia drivers?
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12:42<enouf>hypnotic: i think not ..
12:43<enouf>hypnotic: i think it's been resolved, but shows how these things cannot be found and fixed by the community - hence the evilness of using binary blobs
12:43<fxiny>nvidia releasing lots of drivers
12:44<hypnotic>enouf: i know i know, and i hope my next card will be an ati with open source drivers, but its not an option at the moment
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12:45<hypnotic>enouf: i am going closed source for now
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12:45<enouf>hypnotic: you;d be in for a real headache if you bought an ati right now without researching thoroughly how far which drivers are along with using which cards and which Xorg versions, etc
12:46<hypnotic>enouf: i did and thats why i going for nvidia at the moment ;)
12:46<enouf>for ex; /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd
12:46<hypnotic>enouf: but ati is very promising
12:46<hypnotic>enouf: so maybe next chrismas i will have an ati ;)
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12:47<enouf>and i support their open sourcing of the code ... but it still takes tons of work and time, and i think i recall them still keeping fglrx for new things, experimental, IOW, fglrx will always be atleast one step ahead or something
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12:49<hypnotic>enouf: i am curious on how 8600gt and 9800gt work under debian, someone told me that from gefroce 8 all monitors have video acceleration, i like that, some say geforce 9 has a new purevideo compared to the 8 serie but wiki says the both have 2nd generation and i dont even know if it makes a difference (1st, 2nd and 3rd generation purevideo) on linux
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12:50<hypnotic>enouf: that documentation is hard to find
12:50<enouf>hypnotic: no idea - try #nvidia and ##linux on freenode
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12:51<hypnotic>i did no response
12:51<enouf>hypnotic: i was hoping for openchrome to hit like bricks .. but .. well
12:51<hypnotic>enouf: openchrome is?
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12:52<dpkg>OpenChrome is a project for the development of free and open-source drivers for the VIA UniChrome video chipsets. Please see for a more detailed explanation. Only for Lenny and above, so far
12:52<hypnotic>enouf: oooo thats the open source vcard right?
12:52<enouf>XvMC got removed, but there was supposed to be a complete rewrite of those X functions anyway? ...
12:53<enouf>yeah .. something like that
12:53<hypnotic>enouf: and did you read the article on the development of an alternative on xorg?
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12:54<enouf>hypnotic: nope
12:54<hypnotic>enouf: replace xorg, ditch alsa for oss4 and a ati with fully functional os drivers and we are there
12:54<hypnotic>enouf: what does OS X use?
12:54<enouf>hypnotic: but the xorg folk have figured out it's best to deal directly with the kern devs and get their code into it
12:55<enouf>ask apple
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13:00<octoserver>is there a program that can tell me what filesystem is on a partition?
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13:04<sth>hi, i've been trying here to connect my box to a wireless lan. Manufacturer: Actiontec. Driver: linux-wlan Bus: usb
13:04<sth>modprobe loads the prism2_usb module without problems
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13:04<cahoot>sth: I'd try google on its usbID
13:05<sth>but when i run #'wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable'
13:05<EmleyMoor>Have any of you got early access to Sun JRE 6u12?
13:05<sth>i only get 'wlanctl-ng: No such device'
13:06<sth>i already google'd it but nothing useful came out
13:06<cahoot>wlan0 nonexistent? ip link would tell
13:06<sth>ifconfig only shows loopback and eth0
13:07<sth>so, i never get wlan0
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13:07<cahoot>sth: unload and reload the module and check dmesg
13:07<sth>ok, i'll try. Thanks!
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13:10<sth>i'm back ... same thing
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13:10<cahoot>sth: already read this? need a firmware upgrade?
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13:10<sth>ok, let me see. Thanks again!
13:10<cahoot>sth: is your device listed under supported?
13:11<sth>it's not very common as i see, but it's listed as supported
13:12<cahoot>sth: no complaints about firmware in dmesg?
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13:12<sth>not at all
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13:13<sth>it's kind of ironic, but even lsusb shows it
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13:13<hahnp>hi guys whats aup
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13:16<sth>dmesg shows the usb port in which the wireless card is connected to, and the device number
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13:17<Alexplay>what's the path for my cursor icon? just the image
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13:20<cahoot>Alexplay: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme ?
13:20<Alexplay>cahoot, i want the image of it
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13:23<fgh>im searching for a small, simple and secure ftp-server. any ideas?
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13:26<hahnp>hellooo :)
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13:27<saavedra>how are you
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13:32<Tuplad>How do I put a program that has to be executed through console in autostart ?
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13:33<path>autostart from your X session?
13:33<EmleyMoor>Why has it to be eqecuted through console?
13:33<Tuplad>It's conky
13:33<Tuplad>and if it starts, I want to daemonize it
13:34<Tuplad>conky -d it is
13:34<Tuplad>I am using Gnome
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13:34<Tuplad>and I would like to get these 2 executed: hddtemp -d /dev/sda as root and conky -d as user
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13:36<Tuplad>Anyone ? ^^
13:37<EmleyMoor>I don't know conky... why does it need console?
13:37<Tuplad>EmleyMoor: dont know :\
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13:43<deniz>how do you change the time in gnome? right clicking on the time doesnt have an adjust time feature
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13:44<EmleyMoor>deniz: What is the nature of the change you wish to make?
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13:45<hahnp>man date
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13:45<EmleyMoor>System > Administration > Time and Date ?
13:45<deniz>EmleyMoor, theprogram anki wants me to change the time cuz it said its wrong by 310 seconds and id like to have the exact time anyway but never bothered because it wasnt that important
13:45<deniz>EmleyMoor, ill check that
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13:46<deniz>EmleyMoor, Desktop-->Administration (im using etch) has no such feature
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13:49<TheKnight>hi guys, i've two lenny machines with the same video chipset (intel 945GM). on desktop all works fine, in particular scientific software like qtiplot (i need it to work). on laptop qtiplot is really slow, in particular managing graphs and more the graphs more the slowness
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13:49<TheKnight>i really can't understand where's the trick
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13:52<hahnp>is it the exactly same system?
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13:52<hahnp>same ram?
13:52<hahnp>same cpu
13:52<hahnp>same i dont know
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13:52<azeem>TheKnight: run "glxinfo |grep direct" on both
13:54<deniz>lol nobody here knows how to change the time in etch (gnome)?
13:54<colorado>deniz: How about System > Administration > Time and date
13:54<TheKnight>hahnp, someone suggested me that it doesn't matter...however they're different but not one older than the other...the desktop is an intel pentium core duo, 2 GBram...the laptop is a new asus eee1000H with intel atom and 1GBram
13:54<TheKnight>azeem, i can do it only on my laptop 'cause the desktop is at work..
13:54<deniz>colorado, it doesnt have that in my menu
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13:54<azeem>TheKnight: then it's pretty difficult to help you
13:55<colorado>what window manager? xfce, gnome?
13:55<TheKnight>azeem, glxinfo |grep direct returns direct rendering: Yes
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13:55<deniz>colorado, is it possible i removed something and need to apt-get it back to change time?
13:56<abrotman>!set the time
13:56<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
13:56<deniz>colorado, because when I use to use aptitude, it removed a lot of things by force
13:56<TheKnight>azeem, isn't it sufficient?
13:56<azeem>that's fine at least
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13:57<colorado>try dpkg idea tzconfig.
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13:57<TheKnight>azeem, so any suggestion?
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13:58<TheKnight>azeem, ok thank you
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14:00<abrotman>TheKnight: that's a pretty big difference in hardware
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14:01<TheKnight>abrotman, qtiplot runned also on my old thinkpad T42, with an ATI RADEON 32MB and 512MBram...but all worked fine.. :(
14:01<TheKnight>do you think it's somehow physiological?
14:01<abrotman>any different if you run it from the console ?
14:02<TheKnight>abrotman, i dunno...i've never tried...just wait few seconds, i'll try
14:03<TheKnight>abrotman, no difference
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14:06<Tuplad>I would like to get these 2 executed at startup: hddtemp -d /dev/sda as root and conky -d as user. How can I accomplish that ? I am using debian, gnome.
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14:07<hahnp>write a script and use the runlevel
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14:11<deniz>someone please help because i still cant change the time in gnome etch
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14:12<hahnp>whats the problem?
14:12<hahnp>go to the console
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14:14<abrotman>deniz: did you checke the time in a terminal ?
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14:14<deniz>abrotman, i have no idea how to change time using terminal
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14:15<abrotman>just check the time
14:15<deniz>abrotman, im lost
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14:16<abrotman>type 'date' in the terminal
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14:17<GNR>Anyone knows why the Synaptic Repository options window works/looks different in debian testing i386 and amd64?
14:18<deniz>hahnp, thx
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14:29<janvdl>evening :)
14:30<janvdl>anyone an expert with the xserver configuration?
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14:32<abrotman>janvdl: just ask
14:33<janvdl>i have debian 4.0 etch
14:33<janvdl>but i just cant set my resolution to 1440x900
14:33<abrotman>which video card and which driver?
14:33<janvdl>ati hd3450.
14:33<janvdl>the ati driver just messes everything up.
14:33<janvdl>i downloaded it from yesterday
14:33<janvdl>but its useless
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14:34<janvdl>i've tried googling
14:34<janvdl>someone said its a prob when you use vesa. and you should use radeon. but radeon isnt in my xserver config list.
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14:55<hahnp>janvdl, have you installed the xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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14:55<hahnp>then you should be able to use it in your xorg.conf
14:57<GNR>i dont think that the radeon driver supports hd3450
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14:58<dvs>I just installed an HD 3650 (AGP) and it works with
14:58<GNR>with the radeon driver?
14:58<GNR>or vesa
14:59<dvs>GNR: fglrx driver
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14:59<janvdl>how would i go about installing the radeon one?
15:00<hahnp>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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15:00<janvdl>the package could not be found :(
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15:01<GNR>if you have HD3xxx or HD4xxx card you can either use fglrx (from ATI site, needs kernel headers) or install from the xorg radeonhd driver 1.2.3 from xorg site and also build from sources (need xorg dev packages). You have no other option afaik
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15:01<janvdl>the ati driver only messes things up more
15:01<GNR>I have a 4850 fglrx works for me
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15:02<GNR>it is also the only driver to have tear-free video playback
15:02<hahnp>which repository do you use?
15:03<GNR>latest ATi Driver need to be installed manually, pm me if you want how to
15:03<janvdl>okay, in the synap pack mgr i see the following: fglrx -control -driver -driver-dev -kernel-src
15:03<janvdl>should i select fglrx-driver?
15:03<hahnp>maybe you can use the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
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15:04<GNR>no dont install any of those, you must install driver the latest one from ATI site
15:04<janvdl>i downloaded it yesterday and it messed things up more.
15:04<GNR>what was your problem
15:05<janvdl>well the screen looked like it was squashed to a broad strip at the top of the screen, while 90% of the screen was black
15:05<GNR>then try the radeonhd driver
15:06<janvdl>Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
15:06<GNR>you use debian etch?
15:06<janvdl>yes debian 4.0 etch
15:06<GNR>You need build from sources
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15:06<janvdl>erm, how do i do that? im a noob, sorry
15:06<GNR>pm me
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15:07<abrotman>you can do it in the channel
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15:13<donny>hi all. frequently i have multiple versions of multiple libraries built and installed in places like /usr/local/lib and /opt/local/lib, this is in addition to the /usr/lib populated by pacakges installed via apt. but this makes linking with flags like -L and -l a pain in the ass. any non-obvious advice?
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15:16<debacle>hi all, is there a raid5 expert here please ? I've setted up a SATA raid 5 software using mdadm. Now top command show a process "md1_raid5" using about 20% of CPU even if i'm not writing/reading from md1. Is this normal ?
15:17<herby>having problems with LILO on a Toshiba Laptop Satellite A200 (Debian Lenny installed) - anyone can help ?
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15:18<debacle>donny: you can use links. But I think this isn't a 'best pratice'
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15:20<donny>debacle: i was thinking a good solution might be to specify any libs which might have potential conflicts using full path names, and just omit the -L -l flags
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15:20<donny>debacle: but any project build with autotools wants to use -L and -l and it's a lot of leg work to convince it otherwise
15:21<herby>LILO (Toshiba A200) problem: LILO loads the kernel-image very slowly - can I change this behavour ?
15:21<polywaffle>hi, I am having issues with a dvdrw disk that I decided to erase by using the command dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda, now I cannot erase the disk properly
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15:22<barnes> herby why are you useing lilo?
15:23<herby>hello barnes: using LILO because of having it installed on MY Debian machine (old one !) since more than 4 years
15:23<debacle>donny: you can make a dir and ln (link) all libs you need in it ... and then pass that dir to your configure script... as said it's not a best pratice ... but can help
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15:24<herby>to polywaffle: why do you want erase a DVD with <dd> command ? Isn't it better to use k3b or similar
15:24<polywaffle>i was experimenting herby
15:24<barnes>herby tried installed grub instead?
15:24<polywaffle>now I am afraid I might have done something nasty to the disk
15:25<herby>to polywaffle: don't know exactly dd-using, but /dev/hda is not the DVD-device I think (it is the 1st HardDrive)
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15:25<donny>ls /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib64/libvorbisenc.a
15:25<donny>i thought that command would iron out the ../ parts (reconcile them with specified parts of the path)
15:25<donny>but it didn't
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15:25<donny>what command does?
15:25<polywaffle>im using lenny, an it has been mounting disks on /dev/hda for some reason
15:25<polywaffle>at the moment it wants to use /dev/dvd I think
15:25<donny>i don't want to have to write a script to do it myself :P
15:25<herby>barnes: It is the Laptop of my sun, I invested hours of setting up correctly - seems to be a problem of SCSI-Disk with LILO ?
15:28<donny>anyhow, has anyone tried usnig the x86_64 libs in Etch for libogg and libvorbis? trying to link against them insists:
15:28<donny>relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
15:29<jackyf>donny: has you passed '-fPIC' to your program?
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15:30<donny>jackyf: i thought that was telling me to rebuild the _lib_ with -fPIC, but i just tried it your way, and the same error results
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15:31<jackyf>donny: the libs must be built with -fPIC already
15:31<jackyf>donny: pastebin full build log
15:31<herby>to polywaffle: I fear, you have overwritten your HDD-Drive with random-numbers !
15:31<polywaffle>nah, I am more careful than that herby
15:32<polywaffle>im just writing an image to that dvd in k3b now
15:32<debacle>donny: just a sec ... have you tryed apt ? i remember there was away to auto resolve dependencies ... i thnik its apt-rdepends or apt-dep or something ...
15:32<polywaffle>but im a bit dissatisfied, because I wanted to fix it via the cli
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15:34<herby>nobody else here for my LILO-problem - :)
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15:36<donny>jackyf: sorry i no longer have access to the information. i just linked the program to other builds of the libs and it worked. i was just doing it for a friend. but if somebody here with a x86_64 cpu wants to try to build ffmpeg from svn too, be my guest :)
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15:37<donny>oh, maybe i'll have access again in a minute, he needs to rebuild ffmpeg for some reason
15:37<jackyf>donny: Debian experimental have quite recent libav* libs, so :)
15:37<donny>jackyf: he's using Etch!
15:38<donny>jackyf: but it's possibile his libav* stuff came from another repo that i'm unfamiliar with
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15:38<donny>it was like... or something
15:38<donny>was added to his sources.list
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15:38<jackyf>donny: hm... stable distribution and ffmpeg from svn :)
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15:40<polywaffle>why do people use LILO?
15:41<herby>why not - if it runs best for me I have no reason to change :)
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15:42<donny>jackyf: hey, i have ffmpeg from svn too, ffmpeg's docs recommend using svn since they rarely put together a release
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15:43<jackyf>and Debian docs just recommend to look to at least official repos bebore building something from source :)
15:44<jackyf>maybe... not quite docs
15:44<jackyf>but it makes sense
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16:09<Joey_>why when i use tzconfig i get a time that is totally wrong?
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16:12<adb>Joey_: BIOS time is correct ?
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16:12<Joey_>it's a virtual private server
16:12<Joey_>i hope the bios time is correct lol.
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16:13<dsfdsf> please do me a favor and click the link it gets me money in a game xD
16:14<barnes>dsfdsf go to hell moron
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16:18<luke1704>Hi everybody! I am wondering if a good tiling tool for Debian KDE desktop exists. I have found a very useful tool for Windows XP (
16:18<luke1704>I would like to have something similar using Linux
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16:19<polywaffle>very hot in Perth, Australia right now.
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16:20<luke1704>very cold in Heidelberg, Germany right now :(
16:20<feddsagg>Heidleberg rox! :) im outta rostock but i like heidelberg :D
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16:21<luke1704>;), I don't know what to say. Unfortunately, I have never been to the north (e.g. Rostock)
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16:21<feddsagg>well i love it right here =)
16:22<luke1704>But I think Rostock rocks as well
16:22<feddsagg>but i think theres a lot of good old skool music comming outta heidelberg too =)
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16:22<luke1704>That's true
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16:23<feddsagg>i really like those ol rapmusic n all other old music
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16:24<feddsagg>i think the music u hear nowadays is just fake-a** image music ...
16:24<luke1704>A lot of new-commer band started their carrier in Heidelberg when they got discovered in one of the countless student clubs
16:24<feddsagg>yeah if u wanna start your carreer just go to heidelberg
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16:25<luke1704>Seems nobody can help me out with my tiling problem.
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16:26<hahnp>you also can organize your windows on your own :D
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16:26<luke1704>yes, but this is stupid task I would like to overcome
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16:27<luke1704>A short cut to arrange e.g. two windows 2x1 would be such a helpful thing
16:28<hahnp>i would say awesome - dynamic floating and tiling window manager is something for you
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16:28<luke1704>the package name is "awesome"?
16:28<hahnp>but i never tried
16:29<hahnp>now you made me curious i will try also :D
16:30<luke1704>I have never heard about it, I'll have a look at it
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16:32<luke1704>oh yes, this seems exactly to be what I am looking for
16:32<luke1704>Thank you!
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16:33<haxi>any idea of when amarok2 will be avaible on lenny?
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16:35<adb>haxi: never ?
16:35<luke1704>unfortunately not! Do you have any idea when lenny will be stable?
16:35<haxi>adb: why not?
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16:36<adb>lenny is freeze
16:36<adb>so no any new packages come in
16:37<luke1704>so they don't include new packages, but are still struggling to fix bugs
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16:37<haxi>well I should update to unstable ? Oo
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16:39<adb>try backports , if amarok2 is available
16:39<luke1704>An early announcement was that the stable release will be available in autumn 2008
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16:40<haxi>long time I ain't edited my sources.list mh.
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16:43<sarrafo>I am trying to config a webcam in a note acer 7520, in ekiga the image is not in camorama
16:43<sarrafo>using lenny
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16:46<aetheria>you have to find out what driver supports it. it could be linux-uvc project or gspca.
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16:47<luke1704>I am leaving, bye!
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16:47<aetheria>then you can build the module with module-assistant
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16:48<sarrafo>emgy, in ekiga work
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16:50<aetheria>maybe create a symlink to the video device that camorama wants
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16:50<aetheria>i think it may want /dev/video0
16:51<aetheria>launch it from a command prompt to see error output
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16:52<aetheria>some apps want /dev/video, others /dev/video0
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16:54<sarrafo>yes i use te m-a
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16:54<sarrafo>you say camorama /dev/video0
16:54<sarrafo>not work
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16:58<sarrafo>could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) please check connect
16:58<sarrafo>I do not understand why it works in ekiga
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16:59<aetheria>add yourself to video group, log out and back in
17:01<sarrafo>exemple please
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17:05<sarrafo>in ekiga, say the device 0 open success
17:06<sarrafo>sorry i say channel no device
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17:11<rootkit_t>anyone know howto enable ssl in squid?
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17:15<rootkit_t>anyone know where is the OpenSSL headers or howto get it?
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17:17<rootkit_t>thx a lot
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17:29<KiDFlaSh>why debian supports old cputypes like ? 1386?
17:29<KiDFlaSh>they are tooo old
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17:31<stew>KiDFlaSh: debian doesn't support 386
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17:33<tark>hi everyone does anyone know how to get Intel WiFi 5100AGN working in debian lenny ?
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17:39<amphi>tark: you may have to build the compat-wireless module
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17:40<tark>amphi how should i do that ?
17:40<dpkg>well, wireless tree is the latest experimental wireless drivers are in the wireless-2.6 GIT tree. See for more information on how to use it. Note that a kernel version >= 2.6.22 is required, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <bpo> to acquire 2.6.24 or 2.6.26 (respectively) for Etch systems.
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17:43<tark>amphi unfortunately they don't seem to support iwl5000 as for now
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17:49<amphi>tark: no? isn't that supported by iwlagn ?
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17:59<KiDFlaSh>stew: where can i find the build-settings
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18:00<KiDFlaSh>i wanna know, if debian use the new cpu-architecture
18:00<KiDFlaSh>like 1686
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18:04<polywaffle>you know sometimes I wonder why libdvdcss ver 1.2.10-0.2 is broken
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18:05<D1ablo>kidflash> what do you mean?
18:05<D1ablo>Try `uname --help' for more information.
18:05<D1ablo>Linux HP-LH3 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 13 16:13:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
18:06<D1ablo>is i686
18:06<polywaffle>does anyone here use libdvdcss?
18:07<graytron>polywaffle: if it's legal, yes, otherwise no
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18:07<polywaffle>well does anyone know why the version I have indicated above is broken?
18:07<KiDFlaSh>D1ablo, its only the kernel
18:08<KiDFlaSh>not the packages
18:08<Garda>polywaffle: is that libdvdcss version 1?
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18:08<polywaffle>it is the newest one from debian-multimedia
18:09<polywaffle>for lenny
18:09<polywaffle>it just simply doesn't work
18:09<graytron>polywaffle: no idea, sorry
18:09<polywaffle>and I am wondering why they package it, if it doesn't work
18:09<polywaffle>no worries, what about Garda?
18:10<polywaffle>so instead I have to find from the web
18:10<polywaffle>and run that script
18:10<polywaffle>which uses an older version, that works
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18:11<Garda>polywaffle: no
18:11<Garda>the version of dvdcss that you have is fine
18:12<Garda>it's probably something else that's not working properly
18:12<polywaffle>but when I install the other, it works fine
18:12<polywaffle>so I really don't understand
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18:12<tark>amphi it seems compat-wireless-old which is required in lenny isn't available anymore
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18:12<KiDFlaSh>debian does compile theyre packages for i368
18:12<tark>any idea where i could find it ?
18:13<KiDFlaSh>only the kernel is, compiled for i686
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18:14<amphi>tark: eh? you mean it won't build against the kernel in lenny?
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18:15<tark>amphi i mean the tarball isn't available anymore
18:17<amphi>tark: is no good?
18:17<tark>says my kernel is too old (2.6.26)
18:19<tark>if only i could get a hand on compat-wireless-2.6-old.tar.bz2 my problems would be solved i guess
18:19<amphi>you could try one of these,
18:19<amphi>or build a more recent kernel
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18:19<tark>amphi thx i'll try that
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18:28<tark>amphi any idea when kernel 2.6.27 first appeared ?
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18:32<amphi>tark: you could find out at
18:33<tark>didn't find clearly but august 2008 compat-wireless seems to be ok
18:35<Garda>!no public key
18:35<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at
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18:52<stew>KiDFlaSh: you can get the source of a package by running "apt-get source packagename" the compilation settings would typiclaly be in the 'debian/rules' file
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19:08<D1ablo>kidfish> the heart and sole of any os is the kernel, if the kernel does it so does the os
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19:17<D1ablo>gravity> sol/sole/soul/saul language is a mind trick :-)
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20:02<twb>Sigh. I ran out of disk space when upgrading Emacs. Now when I try to "aptitude reinstall ~i~nemacs", I get
20:02<twb>E: I wasn't able to locate file for the emacs package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
20:02<twb>How do I "fix" a package if not by reinstalling it?
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20:18<bighornram>hi I would like to troubleshoot gtkpod-aac // how can I watch what is happening when the program is open? When I highlight my iPod, it takes a very long time to read the contents of the iPod.
20:19<abrotman>and/or ltrace
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20:25<Karzy>So i'm having this problem with postfix where I can't receive mail from outside houses but I caan from localhost. Recipient address rejected: Access denied; Is what I keep getting....
20:26<Karzy>anyone had this issue or know the best place to look to resolve it?
20:28<Supaplex>the full error message, even if you have to replace domains with "" and user1 user2 etc. What version of postfix? What release of debian?
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20:30<Supaplex>and /msg dpkg paste if you're unaware of that too.
20:30<nicholas>hi can someone tell me what this is
20:30<Supaplex>this is IRC.
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20:30<Supaplex>it's like the twilight zone, but without us controlling the audio. ;)
20:31<nicholas>is it like pigeon?
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20:33<dpkg>rumour has it, irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels:
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20:34<Supaplex>IRC predates pigeon, but it may be able to connect here.
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20:36<abrotman>yes, pidgin can do IRC
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20:40<Karzy>Linux version ( (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:34:53 UTC 2008
20:40<Karzy> -- I'm an idiot.. sorry Supaplex
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20:43<Supaplex>I don't think you're (completely) configured to accept mail for your domain. I don't have my postfix notes anymore, but postconf can show you the differences in your config from the defaults.
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20:47<Supaplex>bleh. why can't google calendar create reminders for 10 weeks from now? I'm annoyed to do it by hand.
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21:22*Sadox :))
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21:44<dpkg><veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is.
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22:29<LutiusVeratius>how can I unpack rar archive?
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22:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
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22:33<Sadox>sadox: > apt-cache search unrar |grep rar
22:33<Sadox>unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files
22:33<Sadox>unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
22:33<Sadox>sadox: >
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22:35<panagos>seems i'm not the only one awake :D
22:36<Sadox>no you aren't :P
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22:43<valessio>Hi All, good night… I'm needing a list with name of the DD and DM of project. Somebody knows as can obtain?
22:46<abrotman>of what?
22:47<valessio>Debian project
22:47<valessio>all packages
22:48<valessio>for ii in `dpkg --list`; do ..... sniff.. I'm very slow.. hard.. difficult.. ;done
22:48<valessio>A command or script get names em package info... or link web with all names.
22:49<valessio>sorry my english.. :-
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22:49<abrotman>you just want a list of all maintainers?
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22:49<valessio>abrotman: I make Art ASCII
22:49<abrotman>you make ascii art with DD names ?
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22:50<valessio>abrotman: yes!
22:50<abrotman>valessio: grep Maintainer /var/log/dpkg/status | sort | uniq .. enjoy
22:50<valessio>abrotman: swirl Debian, with DD names.
22:50<valessio>abrotman: great! thanks
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22:52<valessio>s/log/lib/ ok!
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22:52<kristian>just installed on an eee
22:52<kristian>grub would not install, so I went for lilo
22:53<kristian>now I get: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) ...
22:53<kristian>any hints on what to do?
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22:57<dpkg>i heard eee is see, or #debian-eeepc on, or see See also <atl2> and <atl1e>.
22:58<kristian>yes, it is
22:58<kristian>but this seems to be a general debian problem
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23:18<camel__>is there a way I can force a redownload, and reinstallation of every package installed on my lenny system?
23:18<camel__>I have had a hardware failure that has corrupted some data, but apt-get/dpkg still seem to function OK, so i'd like to reinstall everything just to be on the safe side
23:19<dpkg>i guess reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
23:20<abrotman>actually .. probably `aptitude reinstall "~i!~M"` might be better (or something close tot hat)\
23:20<camel__>abrotman: I've never used aptitude (but have heard of it) - i'll give that a try now and cross my fingers :) hang on!
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