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00:02<superjet_busy>kingsley: i think it's due to cdbs as it cut down `pkg-config gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0 dbus-glib-1 --cflags` when passing vars then it failed to make
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00:41<mib_95empz>hello everybody can anybody tell me how to re mastering debian iso?
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00:50<mib_95empz>hello everybody can anybody tell me how to re mastering debian iso?
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01:03<cwe_caper>hay guys
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02:09<pde>all the pointers on how to make a bluetooth headset suggest using btsco
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02:09<pde>but btsco is no longer in debian, and other sources suggest that it is obsolete
02:09<pde>without saying what one uses in its place
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02:26<enouf>pde: the only thing i know is apt-cache search bluez
02:27<pde>enouf: heh, I have bluez installed, I've bonded the device
02:27<computer>is there a way to save my drivers(audio/video/graphics/etc) so i can install a fresh copy of debian. right now i am running debian and just want to save drivers for fresh install.
02:27<pde>I can ping it
02:27<pde>I just can't make it an audio device that skype can see
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02:28<jm_>computer: uhm what's the point? you'll reinstall them
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02:28<computer>but is there a way to save those drivers for a new install?
02:29<enouf>pde: i did say "all i know is ..." apologies
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02:30<computer>i mean it took me 2 hours to figure out how to fix my wireless and install the drivers. so for next time i do a clean install i wont have to look around for those drivers
02:30<enouf>computer: this is not windows, the kernel has most drivers
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02:30<computer>um ok
02:30<enouf>this is getting more like windows ... :-P
02:31<jm_>just remember your package selection
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02:33<blarson>You can save your package selections with dpkg --get-selections >file
02:33<computer>debian feels really clean and light-fast. but didnt find any of my drivers :( i am thinking of going back to ubuntu. ubuntu found all my drivers
02:35<computer>too much crap to configure/tweak with debian
02:36<computer>i dont mind tweaking/configureing but after a while i get tired and cranky :)
02:36<computer>plus i dont have much time left, im leaving the country for a while
02:37<computer>maybe when i come back i will try debian again for sure
02:37<pde>turns out I needed to create a ~/.asoundrc file
02:37<pde>now skype can see a "bluetooth" device
02:37<pde>but it still doesn't work :)
02:38<computer>nice atitude
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02:42<computer>why doesn't debian come with firefox?
02:43<sep>computer, it does. it's called iceweasel
02:43<computer>why is it not "firefox"?
02:43<dpkg>rumour has it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
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02:44<computer>its a fork of firefox so its not firefox
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02:45<sep>computer, it's a fork where the only difference is the name and you can get security support from debian
02:45<sep>computer, and the compyrighted icons is also different ofcourse
02:45<computer>yeah i try to install flash and dont work
02:45<craigevil>not as much a "fork" as renamed and patched by debian
02:46<craigevil>use backports or repo
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02:47<blarson>!adobe flash
02:47<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
02:47<enouf>computer: it's all pooh
02:48<computer>like poop?
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02:49<computer>i am downloading ubuntu 8.10 alternate...53% so far. :)
02:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
02:49<jm_>exciting stuff
02:50<dpkg>linux is, like, closed
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02:51<computer>does that mean?
02:51<dpkg>unix is probably a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS, is what the Internet was built on, sexy,,, a gift from the gods, a linux-like operating system
02:51<weasel>computer: start behaving, will you.
02:52<blarson>!tell computer about selftell
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02:52<dpkg>Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
02:52<computer>lol wow
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03:00<EmleyMoor>My /dev/dsp is busy and I can't see why
03:02<EmleyMoor>I can play anything I like through that card using alsa, but not using oss
03:02<jm_>not even using aoss?
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03:04<EmleyMoor>jm_: That works - how could I apply it to an app running in a chroot?
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03:05<jm_>EmleyMoor: why would that be special? you have /dev available in chroot?
03:05<EmleyMoor>Well, yes
03:07<EmleyMoor>I can't see how to make it work though
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03:07<jm_>well you'll need aoss in chroot
03:07<EmleyMoor>(of course, if I ould figure out what ha stopped it working in the first place it would be easier
03:08<jm_>it's the old one app keeping device locked issue
03:08<EmleyMoor>jm_: What package is it in?
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03:09<jm_>EmleyMoor: uhm dpkg -S bin/aoss
03:09<EmleyMoor>But what app? Try as I might I can't find it
03:09<jm_>lsof/fuser doesn't show it?
03:09<EmleyMoor>fuser -m shows lots but not the one
03:12<EmleyMoor>Trying to do aoss realplayer in the chroot gives "unable to open display"
03:13<jm_>yeah can't use pf socket to contact X server
03:13<EmleyMoor>Without aoss it runs but no sound
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03:14<EmleyMoor>Ah, hold on
03:14<jm_>hmm I also get device busy but lsof doesn't show dsp being opened
03:14<EmleyMoor>Needed -p
03:14<EmleyMoor>Still no sound though
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03:15<EmleyMoor>Obviously whateve is keeping i busy I need to shift
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03:18<jm_>this is annoying, lsof always worked for me to find them
03:18<EmleyMoor>aoss sems to be of no help with this particular problem
03:19<enouf>fuser -m /dev/snd/* ?
03:19<jm_>EmleyMoor: but you said it helped
03:19<EmleyMoor>I am wondering if the latest kernel packages may have caused a breakage
03:19<enouf>fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp ? is it using adsp? lshal | grep device_file
03:19<enouf>fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp ? is it using adsp? lshal | grep device_file | sort (even)
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03:20<EmleyMoor>jm_: It does with mpg123 but no good with realplayer
03:20<enouf>use mplayer?
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03:20<EmleyMoor>Sound only, no video
03:21<jm_>enouf: naah, tried all that, fuser -m /dev/dsp lists about 200 processes :)
03:21<enouf>heh .. righto
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03:21<EmleyMoor>enouf: Lots but nothing that seems to be the one
03:22<jm_>I wonder when this stopped working
03:22<jm_>(I know which app is it, but why is it not showing up)
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03:23<EmleyMoor>jm_: I don't know on mine
03:24<enouf>egrep 'esd|firefox|iceweasel|flash|artsd' ?
03:25<enouf>if you run alsaconf, all the snd modules will be unloaded/reloaded ... ugh
03:25<EmleyMoor>Once again, loads but nothing that seems to be the one
03:27<EmleyMoor>No esd
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03:28<jm_>for me it's audacious, but it's not showing up as keeping /dev/dsp open, so I am guessing this is some feature of ALSA drivers
03:28<EmleyMoor>1 firefox/iceweasel, which isn't blocking /dev/dsp
03:28<EmleyMoor>No flash
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03:29<EmleyMoor>No artsd
03:30<jm_>EmleyMoor: it must be the app having /dev/snd/pcm* open, like here then
03:30<jm_>so dmix + aoss helps
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03:32<EmleyMoor>Same 30 processes on each of those devices
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03:33<jm_>which is enabled by default since ALSA 1.0.9, but I am not sure if it is also enabled for dsp
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03:36<Baggy2>Is there a tool for comparing user rights in dirs and subdirs? Doing it manually is too time consuming..
03:36<jm_>Baggy2: comparing how?
03:36<kop>Baggy2 : There's 'ls -lhR' and diff. Or possibly mtree.
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03:38<Baggy2>jm_: I've got two webserver directories with lots of files and subdirs. They contain the same files, but one works while the other don't :/
03:38<EmleyMoor>Is there anything else I could try in order to fix this?
03:38<EmleyMoor>(I am almost at the "if this was Windows I'd n&p" stage)
03:39<jm_>Baggy2: see above, but I'd use find + diff
03:39<Baggy2>kop: thought of that, but the dates might be different
03:40<jm_>Baggy2: find . -printf '%p %g:%u %#m\n'
03:40<jm_>sort that and then diff it for both
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03:42<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks, that's perfect =)
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03:43<EmleyMoor>I can list all processes shown as using /dev/snd/pcmC0* if it helps - will begin to pastebin
03:45<jm_>EmleyMoor: I would bet on if you stop all of those it would work ;)
03:46<EmleyMoor>If I stop all of them a lot of stuff I a working with will vanish <g>
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03:46<jm_>indeed, so use aoss to start realplayer?
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03:51<EmleyMoor>(of course, if I could make it work I'd be happy to do that)
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03:52<jm_>right I have dmix so maybe that's why it helps
03:52<EmleyMoor>How can I have it?
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03:53<dpkg>hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See, or another sample asound.conf at, or
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03:55<enouf>EmleyMoor: is pulse audio or jack or something getting in the way?
03:56<enouf>(forgot to add those to the egrep :-P)
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03:58<EmleyMoor>pulseaudio is there
03:58<EmleyMoor>Eken without it, still no go
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04:03<EmleyMoor>Trying to get dmix to work - no joy yet
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04:05<enouf>EmleyMoor: I might be totally bonkers, but i thought dmix is used as a kind of software mixer/dsp, used when a hardware dsp is not present (most cheap onboard crap and even most sound cards)
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04:06<EmleyMoor>I'm at the "try anything no matter how bizarre" stage
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04:11<EmleyMoor>dmix works but still very much no go on sound from realplayer
04:11<EmleyMoor>This used to work - as recently as 2 weeks ago at least
04:12<jm_>enouf: indeed, that'swhy he's trying to use it because one app is blocking others from using it
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04:13<enouf>jm_: hrm ...
04:13<enouf>EmleyMoor: what soundcard is that?
04:14<EmleyMoor>ATI Azalia
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04:14<luhhh>how update amsn?
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04:15<enouf>!tell luhhh -about grounding
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04:16<luhhh>dpkg error
04:16<dpkg>The error is on line 89373
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04:17<luhhh>dpkg -i amsn_0.97.2-1.deb
04:17*dpkg installs amsn_0.97.2-1.deb into luhhh's head with a bone saw and a few screws
04:17<EmleyMoor>It usually helps to type complete sentences
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04:19<luhhh>update amsn for console
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04:19<EmleyMoor>I'd rather nnot <g>
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04:20<EmleyMoor>luhhh: Which Debian are you using?
04:20<luhhh>Debian 4.0 gnome
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04:21<EmleyMoor>(hint: use the codename - etch)
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04:22<jm_>luhhh: so what is the problem?
04:22<luhhh>Debian 4.0r5
04:23<luhhh>what code?
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04:23<EmleyMoor>The version of amsn in etch is 0.95+dfsg2-0.3
04:23<EmleyMoor>Is that adequate for you?
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04:24<EmleyMoor>If you need newer you will have to backport
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04:26<EmleyMoor>I am still at a loss on this /dev/dsp thing
04:27<luhhh>amn 0.95 no conect
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04:27<luhhh>amsn 0.95 no conect...
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04:27<luhhh>no have backport
04:27<EmleyMoor>Tell us not what doesn't happen, but what does
04:30<EmleyMoor>But what does it do when it doesn't
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04:30<EmleyMoor>Do you get an error message?
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04:35<EmleyMoor>Don't paste at me - especially if it's not in English
04:35<EmleyMoor>Is that Portuguese?
04:35<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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04:37<luhhh>no portuguese
04:37<luhhh>yes brasileiro
04:38<virus1824>cerveze muy bien
04:38<EmleyMoor>OK - /join #debian-br
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04:40<PARROT>ciao a rurri
04:41<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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04:43<dpkg>one warez list being sent to parrot
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04:50<EmleyMoor>Is there anything that can play what realplayer plays (audio and video, files and streams) in alsa?
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04:51<EmleyMoor>cahoot: It seems not (no video, no streams)
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04:51<EmleyMoor>(intended for realplayer, that is)
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04:53<enouf>EmleyMoor: i don't seem to have an issue with streaming rm/ram files in mplayer - ask in #mplayer on freenode what's possible
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04:53<EmleyMoor>This is why I need /dev/dsp accessible - will try there though
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04:59<enouf>EmleyMoor: the #mplayer people are a bit biased .. but oh well - /msg dpkg dmm and install those pkgs
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05:00<enouf>EmleyMoor: they'll want you to compile from svn before they really put in an effort
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05:01<EmleyMoor>enouf: Am I looking 32-bit only for any of this?
05:01<enouf>EmleyMoor: i'm not sure - why?
05:02<EmleyMoor>Can't see w32codecs in 64
05:02<jm_>EmleyMoor: realplay works for me with aoss
05:02<EmleyMoor>I hate to say this again but it desn't wopk for me
05:02<EmleyMoor>enouf: I have it already
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05:03<enouf>EmleyMoor: have what? you asked me about ARCHes
05:03<enouf> <EmleyMoor> Can't see w32codecs in 64 <-- /me missed that
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05:03<jm_>did you enable dmix for alsa and for oss?
05:04<EmleyMoor>jm: Yes
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05:04<enouf>i don't think even mPoop has 64bit codecs - aren't you within a 32bit chroot anyway?
05:04<jm_>EmleyMoor: ahh then it may be because those apps were started before you enabled dmix - did you test that? how did you enable it?
05:04<EmleyMoor>enouf: I can be
05:04<enouf>] <Kovensky> EmleyMoor: then grab the codecs at
05:05<EmleyMoor>jm_: It is not the case
05:05<cahoot>what version of realplayer?
05:05<jm_>EmleyMoor: how do you know?
05:05<EmleyMoor>Because I made sure they weren't running
05:05<cahoot>isn't dmix enabled by default?
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05:06<cahoot>sinc 1-2 years
05:06<jm_>since alsa 1.09rc2
05:06<jm_>well it WFM so ...
05:06<enouf>EmleyMoor: heh "w64codecs"
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05:07<enouf>who'd've guessed eh?
05:07<enouf>fwiw - i found this useful at times
05:08<EmleyMoor>jm_: Swap systems? <g>
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05:08<jm_>EmleyMoor: this is my asoundrc
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05:11<Bleupomme>Hello we are using a program that mounts a cd or dvd. We would like this program to mount an iso instead. Is it possible to transform an iso into a block device (I know how to mount the iso with the loop option)
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05:12<jm_>Bleupomme: losetup gives you block device
05:12<EmleyMoor>When I try to play a stream with mplayer all I get is the cahe filling thten eof
05:12<EmleyMoor>Video files work now though
05:13<cahoot>EmleyMoor: got an url?
05:13<Bleupomme>jm_: thank you I will give it a try
05:14<jm_>EmleyMoor: download .ram file, mplayer URL in .ram file
05:14<Bleupomme>jm_: Yes that's exactly what I was looking for thank you
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05:15<EmleyMoor>jm_: Ah - thanks :-)
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05:16<EmleyMoor>Sun Java seems to be my chroot requirer now
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05:16<jm_>Bleupomme: no worries
05:16<enouf>EmleyMoor: er.. for .ram you pass mplayer the -playlist option usually
05:17<EmleyMoor>enouf: Will try that next time
05:17<jm_>does that work?
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05:17<EmleyMoor>jm_: Your way is working
05:17<jm_>it does indeed
05:17<enouf>EmleyMoor: Playing rtsp://
05:18<enouf>that's the real url if you leave off -playlist
05:18<EmleyMoor>Good old Radio Birmingham as it was
05:18<enouf>~$ mplayer -playlist
05:18<EmleyMoor>I will come up with ways to call on it, Sheffield and more
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05:19<EmleyMoor>Radio reception is poor here so even London and the nationals would be good
05:21<enouf>jm_: just curious, are you using amd64 arch? chroot into 32bit for mplayer? or . using w64codecs?
05:21<EmleyMoor>Wonder how it would cope with congestion
05:21<EmleyMoor>amd64, w64codecs
05:21<jm_>enouf: I am still using x86 releases
05:22<enouf>jm_: hrm ... isn't amd64 an x86 release? :-)
05:22<EmleyMoor>x86_64 rather than x86_32 which is what jm_ meant
05:23<enouf>EmleyMoor: have you setup an ~/.mplayer/config file yet? copy over a template from /etc/mplayer/ and edit
05:23<enouf>EmleyMoor: ypi
05:23<EmleyMoor>Not yet but I will - maybe this evening
05:23<enouf>EmleyMoor: you're sure?
05:24<EmleyMoor>Sure aout what?
05:24<enouf>EmleyMoor: about what jm_ meant
05:24<jm_>enouf: in terms of how d-i calls it
05:24<EmleyMoor>Well, I can't see what else it could be
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05:52<wretched_dutchman1>I have some problems with creating a new disklabel for my new 750GB HD. It's in a sparc64 running debian/etch CLI only. Can anyone help me with this problem?
05:52<wretched_dutchman1>fdisk recognises the disk correctly, but the number of cylinders given by fdisk -l (91201) is above the maximun allocatable by fdisk (65535)
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05:54<itkey>hello again guys
05:55<wretched_dutchman1>can you help me with some disklabel problems?
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05:55<itkey>problem: apache2 update and apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
05:56<itkey>browsed the web and /etc/hosts already checked
05:57<jm_>what is your problem then?
05:57<itkey>apache fail to start with that error
05:57<jm_>isn't that just a warning?
05:57<itkey>it seems not
05:58<itkey>nothing listening on port 80
05:58<jm_>check /var/log/apache2/error.log
05:58<blockowitsch>itkey: you should check the error logs
05:58<enouf>wretched_dutchman1: try #debian-sparc?
05:58<blockowitsch>that is just a warning that i also have all the time
05:58<jm_>yeah that shouldn't make it stop
05:58<itkey>yes i remember that, so this is just a warning and real error should be in the log?
05:58<enouf>wretched_dutchman1: or atleast see what some other partitioners say about it? try parted, sfdisk even
05:58<blockowitsch>hopefully :D
05:59<itkey>k checkin
05:59<wretched_dutchman1>thnx :)
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06:03<sylar>I see in lsof device 0xf1d33100
06:04<sylar>is that port 3310?
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06:09<sylar>does lsof shoes listening ports that are not connected?
06:10<sylar>I did : nc -z -v localhost 1-100000
06:10<sylar>and this shows me a few ports that I don't know but when I search them with lsof, I don't find these ports
06:11<petemc>my answer was based on the fact i use lsof -i :NUM to test for listening daemons etc
06:12<frank>why not simply use netstat?
06:12<sylar>petemc, doesn't work for me
06:12<sylar>petemc, unless there is a connection to that port
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06:13<petemc>sylar: thats not the case here
06:13<petemc>it shows ports in LISTEN
06:14<frank>sylar: are you root, when calling "lsof -i"
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06:38<nah>hi, what is the port to connect with ssl?
06:39<_phoenix_>how do i install a flashplayer on debian?
06:39<Baggy2>I need to configure kernel version 2.6.22 based on a .config file for 2.6.24. Can I just use the config file for 2.6.24 or will that mess everything up? I need to keep the old kernel as I no longer have the patches n stuff that was used on the old kernel..
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06:40<petern>nah, that rather depends on the protocol...
06:40<_phoenix_>how do i install a flashplayer on debian?
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06:41<nah>i mean, here in IRC. i am using irssi, i guess the port is 6697
06:41<OdyX>_phoenix_: aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash
06:42<OdyX>!tell _phoenix_ about flash
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06:42<koollman>nah: depends of the irc server. common ports for that are 6697 , 994, 6668
06:42<_phoenix_>OdyX gnash is unstable and not for ephipany
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06:43<_phoenix_>I am useing debian and not sidux
06:43-!-nah_ is now known as nah
06:43<nah>:) seems so, 6697
06:43<OdyX>_phoenix_: gnash is in testing too...
06:43<OdyX>but ACK.
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06:43<_phoenix_>Odyx what means that it isnt working jet
06:44<OdyX>? testing is working…
06:44<OdyX>Have you read what dpkg told you ?
06:45<_phoenix_>odyx testing means that it has bugs
06:45<OdyX>_phoenix_: stable has bugs…
06:45<_phoenix_>stable has bugs??????
06:46<OdyX>_phoenix_: stable has more rc bugs than testing:
06:46<OdyX>_phoenix_: it is _IMPOSSIBLE_ to make a software bundle as big as Debian bug-free
06:46<OdyX>but it's worth the try !
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06:49*petern ponders upgrading to lenny
06:50<TwistOfFate>lenny is testing right?
06:50<koollman>OdyX: stable has bugs, but worked for ... two years, now. testing might have less bugs, but they might be blocking something different\
06:50<amphi>petern: lenny works well
06:50<sylar>frank, not root, will try root then
06:50<OdyX>koollman: ACK...
06:51<nah>another question: we are organizing a meeting for the next year (march 7th) same as debian day, but just for women, and we'd like to get some contacts with women of debian // global // as we don't know some in brasil to participate
06:51<koollman>(of course I think lenny works well enough now. but, it's not yet released...)
06:51<OdyX>I justed wanted to point that stable != 0 bugs and testing != Inf bugs
06:51<nah>btw, we are based in goiania, brasil. if someone has any contacts, please ping me :)
06:51<TwistOfFate>if you move to testing though, you don't get any security updates right?
06:51<koollman>yep. 'any large software aggregate' != 0 bugs ;)
06:52<petern>amphi, i'm already using its kernel, as etch's did not work well for me
06:52<amphi>petern: newish hardware?
06:52<sylar>petemc, OK, being root fix this
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06:53<petern>some oddity with 4gb ram and pae on a 32bit system caused etch's kernel to run very slow
06:53<mordy_>i don't think 4GB works too well with 32 bit
06:54<petern>it works perfectly well with lenny's kernel
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06:54<koollman>I wouldn't call PAE 'perfect'
06:54<sylar>why do I have hplip?
06:55<noflash>nah, have you tried #debian-women ?
06:55<petern>koollman, 'perfectly well' as in, with no problems
06:56<nah>noflash, i didn't even know about this channel. i'll try there, thnks!
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07:25<_phoenix_>how do i get a stable flashplayer in epiphany
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07:27<_phoenix_>how do i get a stable flashplayer in epiphany
07:27<_phoenix_>how do i get a stable flashplayer in epiphany
07:28<petemc>dont repeat
07:28<_phoenix_>help me
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07:28<petemc>you'll probably find most people dont use epiphany
07:29<petemc>also, flash is closed source, so the troubleshooting people can offer is limited
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07:29<SlimeyPe1e>we can only help you if we know the answer. Presumably, none of the people who are paying attention at the moment know the answer.
07:30<jm_>dosn't it look in ~/.mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
07:31<_phoenix_>i dont have mozilla
07:31<amphi>perhaps it wants MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH set
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07:32<Stephen>anyone with experience of pidgin and jabber servers?
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07:32<amphi>setting that var lets midori use flash, when I tested it
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07:34<virus1824>pidgen server
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07:35<Stephen>virus1824: sorry?
07:35<_phoenix_>is there any posipility to get a flashplugin in epiphany whthout unstable software?
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07:35<avu>Stephen, there is no such thing as a 'pidgin server'
07:36<Stephen>anyone with experience of pidgin, and jabber servers?
07:36<Stephen>-of +in maybe?
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07:37<avu>ah, you mean using XMPP in pidgin.
07:37<avu>just ask your real question..
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07:37<Stephen>yeah, although i think i have located the issue
07:38<Stephen>i was having difficulty connecting to a custom jabber server with one machine, when another could
07:38<_phoenix_>what ist contrib?
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07:38<_phoenix_>is contrib stable?
07:38<Stephen>that was until i realised that the machine that could has an ethernet connection, and the one that couldn't, doesn't
07:38<amphi>!tell _phoenix_ -about contrib
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07:39<_phoenix_>!tell _phoenix_ contrib
07:39<amphi>!tell _phoenix_ -about selftell
07:40<_phoenix_>!tell amphi -about selftell
07:41<amphi>_phoenix_: fuck off
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07:44<_phoenix_>then tell me how do i get a flashplugin in the fucking epiphany
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07:46<virus1824>install flashplugin-nonfree
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07:47<virus1824>and dont use epiphany
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07:50<amphi>virus1824: that's not overly helpful ;)
07:50<virus1824>and why not
07:51<amphi>virus1824: answering "don't use foo" to "how do I get foo to do bar?" is not a useful answer IMHO
07:51<virus1824>use the package myself and it worked on every browser i used. didnt test it on epiphany though i dont use that
07:52<virus1824>that wasnt part of my answer that was an added comment
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07:52<amphi>virus1824: unless the question is something like "how do I get gimp to check my filesystem for errors?" or some such, of course ;)
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07:53<virus1824>i stick with above
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07:59<MotoHoss>_phoenix_: "+debian flash player epiphany" gives Results 1 - 10 of about 16,800- surely in the first 3 pages you will get it working. <btw> good questions, get good answers, some times.
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08:01<tuxcrafter>hi all i was doing some reading on wikipedia and found the some docu that debian stable is not an rolling release is this true? I was under the impressesion that I can install debian stable repo and never ever need to change the repo and always have an up to date stable distro .... ??
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08:02<amphi>tuxcrafter: you can do a dist-upgrade after each stable release
08:02<amphi>tuxcrafter: testing is 'rolling', except before a release, like now, when it's frozen
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08:03<amphi>!tell tuxcrafter -about stable
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08:05<tuxcrafter>amphi: hmm ok
08:05<tuxcrafter>amphi: but testing also need dist-upgrades
08:05<tuxcrafter>but is is a rolling release"?
08:05<_phoenix_>motohoss no anwer found
08:06<_phoenix_>motohoss you get a plugin for mozilla but not for epiphany
08:09<MotoHoss>_phoenix_: i don't use epiphany. google is the only suggestion I have for you.
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08:17<_phoenix_>motohoss okey... how do i get a stable flshplayer for mozilla
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08:18<FILLVAIO2_temp>Hello for everyone!
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08:19<FILLVAIO2>Is there in Debian etch packages any util for manage users and groups?
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08:19<FILLVAIO2>jm_: in what package. Can you tell me?
08:20<jm_>FILLVAIO2: adduser, passwd (please don't ask yes/no questions)
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08:21<FILLVAIO2>jm_: any visual application?
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08:26<jm_>FILLVAIO2: hmm no idea if GNOME or KDE can do it, other than that there are various control panels
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08:31<FILLVAIO2>jm_: ok. thanx. i have ISPmanages but it's not enought.
08:31<MotoHoss>FILLVAIO2: gnome?
08:32<jm_>!tell FILLVAIO2 -about free whcp
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08:35<FILLVAIO2>MotoHoss: i have a server. Not workstation
08:36<FILLVAIO2>MotoHoss: may be i need some aplication like [aptitude] for [apt]
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08:43<_phoenix_>is ther any chance to get a flash player plugin without useing testing or unstable?
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08:43<Kedryn>hi... anyone here with skills in postfix-amavis, that i have a chat with for a problem i have?
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08:46<_phoenix_>is ther any chance to get a flash player plugin without useing testing or unstable?
08:46<jm_>_phoenix_: stable has it too ... and stop repeating
08:46<_phoenix_>what ohe
08:46<_phoenix_>what do i have to install?
08:47<FILLVAIO2>Is there possible to create user without own group, and put it into other group? I need it for ftp accounts. Now, user uploaded file create it with permisions group/user it's own name. ?
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08:48<jm_>FILLVAIO2: some ftp daemons have settings for uploaded file permissions etc.
08:48<OdyX>!tell _phoenix_ about adobe flash
08:49<jm_>FILLVAIO2: for regular users, that should be username:primary group
08:49<FILLVAIO2>jm_: but now i have user1 in 2 groups, 1. user1, 2. www-data. ANd all files uloaded with user1 group
08:49<Baggy2>Are there any checkpoint restore mechanisms in Debian? I need to take snapshots of running processes, send it over the network and continue the process there if the other process should fail..
08:50<Kedryn>anyone knows why, on a new machine with postfix+amavis and multiple domains, i get emails to: changed to a single user of one of those domain? i have in the amavis log a line with RCPT TO: <my email> ORCPT:<original destination mail address>
08:50<jm_>FILLVAIO2: that's because primary group is user1
08:50<jm_>Baggy2: those feature are in the design phase for Linux kernel AFAIK
08:51<FILLVAIO2>FILLVAIO2: is there possible to change primary group without any problem later?
08:51<_phoenix_>odyx how do i use backborts?
08:51<jm_>FILLVAIO2: if that was meant for me, yes you can use usermod
08:51<jm_>initial login group as it's called
08:51<OdyX>!tell _phoenix_ about backports
08:51<OdyX>!tell _phoenix_ about
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08:52*OdyX loves dpkg.
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08:53<jm_>FILLVAIO2: if I were you, I wouldn't do that for www-data though
08:53<Baggy2>jm_: I've tried googling the topic, but I can't find exactly what I need. I had a discussion last month with a guy that said he had tested it, but I think he's gone on vacation or something. Do you know where I can find linux or debian specific info about the topic?
08:54<_phoenix_>how do i burn a iso?
08:54<jm_>Baggy2: really? interesting, perhaps some openvz thing or similar, but in general, process freezing is not done yet, which is a first step needed to do this - but I just found cryopid
08:54<cahoot>wodim my.iso
08:55<cahoot>_phoenix_: ^ try that
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08:56<FILLVAIO2><jm_> Why? Can you explain? I just need to add other users in group www-data, and do it for users may create files under group www-data, and do not change permissions later for this files.
08:58<jm_>FILLVAIO2: but why? apache can read files if they are readable for others (as for www-data, so that files are not writable by apache)
08:59<Sadox>does anybody know what this really means? Dec 17 15:51:47 Sadox kernel: [ 7139.906440] cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! i burned a dvd with the laptop's dvd-rw (pioneer) and it can't read it... and can't boot from it and today i saw that this pioneer dvd-rw doesn't read anymore any cd or dvd that i have except vista dvd... and the laptop is 3 months old... i burned a dvd without problems first time i used the laptop... and that wa
08:59<Sadox>s the only time
08:59<jm_>Sadox: how do you burn it?
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09:00<Sadox>first i burned a dvd with debian from windows xp with nero... and pioneer didn't read it
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09:00<Sadox>and then i burned another one from laptop with pioneer with k3b
09:00<jm_>well then the drive may be toast
09:01<Sadox>it's new :(
09:01<jm_>even better - you can still get it replaced
09:01<cahoot>try wodim -prcap
09:02<FILLVAIO2><jm_> but if file created by apache2/php if some jpeg. Permissions for this www-data/www-data. And no one user can't change it exept root and same www-data. What to do? Add user1 into group www-data? But for this case, files created by user1 can't be deleted by apache2/php user www-data?
09:02<jm_>did you try tools like cdck?
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09:02<Sadox>command wodim -prcap has a large output
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09:03<jm_>FILLVAIO2: well perhaps you need to rethink the whole strategy
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09:06<blu_falcon>hi everyone :D
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09:13<averule>hi to all, i want to take output of grub>find /boot/grub/stage1 in my shell can i get it??
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09:15<jm_>averule: use grub-emulator
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09:16<perez>hi, someone knows how to configure pnp with nagios
09:16<averule>jm_:what is grub-emulator there is no package or command ..
09:16<averule>named as grub-emulator
09:16<jm_>averule: /usr/sbin/grub or /usr/sbin/grub-emu, depending on which GRUB you have installed
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09:17<averule>jm_:yes i am having grub command in /usr/sbin
09:18<averule>jm_:but no emulator command
09:18<jm_>that is grub emulator
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09:19<averule>jm_:but how can we gate output of grub>find /boot/grub/stage1 to some file or in variable??
09:20<jm_>averule: check grub-install script - it uses that
09:21<Kedryn>anyone here tha can help me with postfix^?
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09:22<OdyX>!ask Kedryn
09:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:22<OdyX>don't look for people, look for answers
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09:24<Kedryn>i have a problem with postfix+amavis. I have a machine set up for internet , with apache and postifx+amavis. I've setup other machines like this in the past without problems. I've setup a vhost with my domain,, and it works. Then i've added another domain, like, and all mails for that domains are placed in my mailbox, and i don't know why
09:25<Kedryn>this is the same for other domains i've placed in that machine
09:25<OdyX>all mails go to ?
09:26<Kedryn>i've put amavis in debug mode
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09:26<Kedryn>(just sec and i'll post a line from the log)
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09:28<Baggy2>jm_: If you're interested in Checkpoint/Restart for Linux, take a look at the implementation of Berkeley Labs. I'm downloading the source tarball as I write =) It should work even without patching the kernel.
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09:30<Kedryn>damn..i have to wait for greylist
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09:52<Jahman>what is the best filesystem for a nfs server plz?
09:52<Bushmills>Jahman: doesn't really matter. don't use reiserfs, fat, ntfs.
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09:54<Bushmills>(unless you do nfs over gigabit ethernet, and a lot of it, then you might want a fs with low cpu load. jfs for example)
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09:54<Jahman>okay thx Bushmills
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09:55<Bushmills>Jahman: i suppose choices would currently be one of ext3, xfs, jfs.
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09:55<keviN>i have a problem enabling "direct rendering" on my aramada e500 notebook with an ati Rage Mobility P/M 8MB interal graka
09:56<keviN>xorg is using 16bit and 1024x768 px
09:56<keviN>the driver module is "ati"
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09:57<keviN>im using 2.6.26 kernel
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09:57<keviN>when im compiling DRI for this card, it doesnt work (problems in *.c files)
09:58<Solver>Bushmills: I'm a big fan of xfs for servers but I'm going to looking at jfs too
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09:58<Solver>it's improved a lot in recent years
09:58<Bushmills>Solver: no, not really. has been good for quite a while
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09:59<Bushmills>Solver: it is one of the older, possibly oldest, journalling file systems around
09:59<Solver>Bushmills: well the last time i looked seriously at jfs on Linux was a number of years ago and there were performance problems
09:59<Solver>that's true but the Linux implementation seemed to have performance issues for a while
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10:00<Bushmills>with many files in deep directories, it still has. but on the positive side, it is very robust,
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10:00<Solver>yeah the robustness attracts me
10:00<Solver>can't say I've had a serious issue with xfs though
10:01<nething>Is there a reason why df reports seemingly wrong values for free disk capacity? - how come 1K-blocks - used != available?
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10:01<Bushmills>nething: ext2/3?
10:02<tuxcrafter>hi all why cant i do an debootstrap --arch i386 testing ... ?
10:02<tuxcrafter>why only with the codename
10:02<Bushmills>nething: 5% are reserved
10:02<tuxcrafter>like sid lenny
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10:02<Solver>nething: you can changed the reserved capacity but I wouldn't reduce it to 0%. some people argue 5% is too big on today's large filesystems
10:02<petemc>tuxcrafter: check /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts
10:03<Solver>you could do tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sda9 to reduce it to 1% for example
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10:04<nething>solver: would I be right in thinking I should only do that on an unmounted fs?
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10:04<Bushmills>Solver: look at df output, there's a 256 mb partition, and 2 with less than 3 gig
10:05<tuxcrafter>petemc: nah stable and testing and unstalbe are not there :-(
10:05<Bushmills>Solver: i'd not suggest to reduce reserved space on partitions of that size
10:05<Solver>nething: No, I've done it on filesystems mounted read-write.
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10:05<petemc>tuxcrafter: if you're that keen to use alternate names, you could try symlinks
10:05<amjad>How can Install thunderbird?
10:06<nething>ok, just as long as I know why that is. bit annoying that net-snmp doesn't seem to account for reserved space so most monitoring tools wind up giving you the wrong info
10:06<amjad>instead of icedove
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10:06<petemc>amjad: whats the difference?
10:06<Solver>nething: true, you may need to take it into account when setting thresholds
10:06<Bushmills>nething: those (default) 5% are used for 2 purposes. 1. helps defragmentation, 2. to give root some slack when cleaning up a full partition (for example, holding temporary compressed files)
10:06<amjad>petemc, with thunderbird, i will get the latest version
10:07<nething>that's what I've done - probably quicker and easier than trying to persuade the good people behind net-snmp to significantly alter their code to account for such things.
10:07<petemc>amjad: thats not necessarily true
10:07<Solver>nething: especially when other Linux filesystems don't do this which would mean net-snmp would need to be able to detect the FS type
10:07<nething>thanks for your help, Solver.
10:08<Solver>nething: np :)
10:08<amjad>dont you think if i download thinderbird from mozilaa's site, I will get latest one
10:08<keviN>hm, is there an configure script like "xorgconfig" in gentoo to configure xorg in lenny?
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10:08<petemc>jthomas: xorg in lenny should do automagic configuration
10:08<petemc>keviN: ^^^
10:08<amjad>Actually, I want that thunderbird's style notification when new mail arrives
10:08<amjad>if I could that with icedove, i dont care
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10:09<amjad>popup notification
10:10<keviN>petemc: hm, in lspci my grafic card is shown up, but in xortg.conf, there is something like that: "Identifier "Configured Video Device""
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10:11<petemc>keviN: yeah, they're essential blank due to the automatic configuration, if you want to specify a particular driver/resolution/etc, you'll need to add entries to xorg.conf yourself
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10:12<keviN>oh okay thanks. cause my problem is, xorg uses the mach64 driver for my ati Rage Mobility P/M card, but all is very slow :/
10:12<keviN>its like windows with in standard vga drivers
10:13<petemc>its great when it works, when it doesnt, not so good
10:13<petemc>bit of a truism, there
10:16<keviN>what is direct rendering? is this maybe the reason why xorg is slow?
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10:17<vev>keviN: direct rendering myst be on, or you have software accelleration, aka slow
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10:19<keviN>ah okay thanks
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10:20<keviN>thats the reason
10:21<keviN>i heard about ati was removing ati drivers from the kernel source. at what version was that?
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10:26<tuxcrafter>what is the apt archive gpg key id?
10:26<tuxcrafter>for sid
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10:28<paddy>Hi guys,
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10:32<Kedryn>OdyX ? still here?
10:32<Kedryn>from the mail.log i got this
10:32<Kedryn>Dec 17 15:50:17 DarkNet2 postfix/smtp[17428]: D04493DC0E5: to=<>, orig_to=<>, relay=[]:10024, delay=11, delays=11/0/0/0.26, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=16969-05, from MTA([]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 25B243DC0E6)
10:32<Kedryn>the mail was for
10:32<OdyX>it has been forwarded to
10:33<OdyX>sorry, I can't help you more…
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10:33<Kedryn>yeah... what i don't understand is why all mails on that server gets forwarded to
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10:35<OdyX>Kedryn: <- read that ?
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10:35<Kedryn>i have a problem with postfix+amavis. I have a machine set up for internet , with apache and postifx+amavis. I've setup other machines like this in the past without problems. I've setup a vhost with my domain,, and it works. Then i've added another domain, like, and all mails for that domains are placed in my mailbox, and i don't know why. this is the same for other domains i've placed in that machine.
10:35<Kedryn>Dec 17 15:50:17 DarkNet2 postfix/smtp[17428]: D04493DC0E5: to=<>, orig_to=<>, relay=[]:10024, delay=11, delays=11/0/0/0.26, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=16969-05, from MTA([]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 25B243DC0E6)
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10:36<Kedryn>i've reposted the question for others
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10:44<Azeazezar>Can anyone tell me how to disable my imacs build-in screen and use a external one?
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10:53<keviN>how can i find out, what video driver is used?
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10:54<vev>keviN: look in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
10:54<keviN>i did, there is no "Driver" Section
10:55<keviN>The problem: My video card works fine with the newest ubuntu, and i want to know, what driver ubuntu uses
10:55<keviN>so that i can install this driver for debian
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10:56<ehnvis>keviN: that depends on which video card you have
10:57<keviN>i have an old Ati Rage card
10:57<Azeazezar>well, can anyone help me getting my external monitor running on my imac?
10:57<keviN>should be mach64, but this driver isnt loaded at ubuntu
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10:57<keviN>there is just "video", "videodev", "intel_agp", "agppart"
10:57<keviN>but what the heck is "video"?
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10:59<ehnvis>keviN: check which driver ubuntu loads by looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that might give you an idea
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11:00<keviN>ah thanks, i will look
11:01<keviN>its the mach64 driver
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11:03<keviN>i think, i should compile a new kernel :-)
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12:12<mordy_>is there a way for dhcpd(?) to force a client to send a hostname?
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12:13<enouf>mordy_: huh?
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12:13<petemc>mordy_: unlikely
12:14<stew>mordy_: no
12:14<mordy_>ok thanks
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12:26<enouf>welp, that explains that :-p
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12:26<Tengu>I have a "little" problem with debian etch, using a transtec DAS.... it seems my debian can't see the real size of the LUN (about 4TB).... and shows only 610 GB
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12:30<Tengu>hm... nobody can help me ? if there's a lack of information, just ask..
12:30<petemc>Tengu: i know nothing about those devices, but which kernel are you using?
12:31<enouf>IINM there's some sort of proprietary software/hardware issue concerning your controller
12:31<Tengu>mmm... it's a LSI controller, I think... wait 1s.
12:31<koollman>Tengu: first, have you tried with a recent enough kernel, or a different distribution / OS ? (that is, does the DAS work?)
12:31<Tengu>oops, adaptec. 03:06.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7892A U160/m (rev 02)
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12:32<Tengu>koollman: well, it works, we have another LUN, about 1.9TB and it's all fine.
12:32<koollman>Tengu: on the same system ?
12:32<Tengu>maybe it's an OS limitation...
12:32<Tengu>koollman: yep
12:32<Tengu>on the very same computer
12:32<koollman>there's a linux limit around 2TB ... need some kernel options to go higher, I think
12:32<Tengu>mmm... maybe a linux-image-xxx-bigmem ?
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12:33<mordy_>sometimes i accidentally run search operations on binary files and my terminal becomes garbled - is there anyway to restore it? i've read to use "clear" but that doesn't help
12:33<Tengu>but in fact, the limitation is in fdisk, I read somewhere on the net...
12:33<petemc>mordy_: reset
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12:33<mordy_>hmm that doesn't work either :|
12:34<petemc>should do..
12:34<Tengu>mordy_: exec bash ?
12:34<Tengu>sometimes I have th same problem... and close and re-open a term
12:34<mordy_>let me try
12:34<Tengu>anyway.... will try to create some logical volumes of 2TB...
12:35<Tengu>that's bad, as we need more than 2TB for our backups -.-
12:35<mordy_>i need to get the garbage back again - i'm using xfce terminal, and the "Reset and Clear" option from the menu works - but not the command when typed
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12:35<koollman>Tengu: I would first try with a linux-image 'etchnhalf'
12:35<Tengu>koollman: I just saw it and was about to ask "what is it??" :->
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12:36<Tengu>koollman: it's a sort of backported kernel ?
12:36<koollman>Tengu: exactly
12:36<Tengu>nice :D
12:36<Tengu>let's try
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12:36<Tengu>koollman: and what about "bigmem" ? is it only for RAM over 4GB ?
12:36<koollman>Tengu: yes
12:36<petemc>Tengu: limitations would be imposed by the filesystem, and with the 'normal' filesystems you should have no problem with creating volumes > 2TB
12:36<Tengu>so useless.
12:36<koollman>Tengu: in your case, yes
12:36<mordy_>hmm exec bash doesn't work - i guess the only thing i can do is close the terminal
12:37<petemc>or not mess with binary files,...
12:37<koollman>Tengu: oh, and how is that device partitionned ? 'pc-style' partitions can't handle 2TB either
12:37<Tengu>petemc: well... xfs and ext3 do the same. and parted shows me 600GB.
12:37<m_vrik>how can I turn off my laptop monitor, Debian Lenny, and use only an external monitor?
12:37<Tengu>koollman: should be "GPT" or something like that. wait.
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12:38<metalqga>can I put a kind of a blacklist of packages that I don't want to be updated by apt?
12:38<petemc>m_vrik: xrandr should be able to do that
12:38<Tengu>metalqga: maybe using "/etc/apt/preferences" file.
12:38<koollman>Tengu: it's fine, then
12:38<petemc>metalqga: /msg dpkg hold
12:38<Tengu>koollman: yup. rebooting on new kernel, I'll see.
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12:39<Tengu>koollman: I read on we have to put GPT support in kernel. I guess/hope it's already the case in debian kernels.. ?
12:39<m_vrik>do you just type "xrandr" from CLI?
12:40<metalqga>thanks Tengu and petemc
12:40<enouf>!dual monitors
12:40<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See,, Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>
12:40<petemc>m_vrik: no, you read the docs on xrandr
12:40<koollman>Tengu: and I just found requirements : 'Kernel 2.6.19+'. ;)
12:40<Tengu>koollman: oh, thank you :)
12:40<mordy_>m_vrik, you probably want something like xrandr --output lvds off
12:41<m_vrik>thanks petemc I'll do my homework
12:41<mordy_>or LVDS
12:41<Tengu>grmbl..... 600GB
12:42<m_vrik>Thanks for all your comments. I got to go study xrandr!
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12:45<koollman>Tengu: hmm. how do you get that size ?
12:45<koollman>Tengu: creating a fs, and then df ? or something different ?
12:46<Tengu>koollman: just doing : gparted /dev/sdc ; mklabel gpt ; mkpart primary 0 3001G [a 3T partition]... and it tells me it's over the size of hard drive...
12:47<Tengu>but here, on the DAS : x 1 x49E2ADD4xNAxRAID5x 4768045x GOODx x x7xBx 6x 0x 0x the 4768045x is the size in MB
12:47<Tengu>and it's correct [6 disks of 1T each, raid5...]
12:48<koollman>Tengu: try mkpart primary 0 -0
12:48<koollman>Tengu: should make the biggest possible partition
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12:49<Tengu>koollman: still the wrong one :/
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12:52<Tengu>it's like the size is divided by 10 in fact... -.-'
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12:53<koollman>Tengu: is there some kind error messages ? (in parted or in dmesg)
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12:54<koollman>Tengu: actually, what's the output of 'print' in parted?
12:54<Tengu>no error
12:54<koollman>in particular, the 'Disk /dev/sdc : XXX' part ;)
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12:56<Tengu>Number Start End Size File system Name Flags 1 17.4kB 602GB 602GB ext3 primary
12:56<Tengu>well, no error, but the size is wrong..
12:56<enouf>zero that sucker out
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12:56<koollman>Tengu: that's the partition, though. anything before that ?
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12:56<Tengu>wait, I'm rebooting the server, have created 2 partitions on the DAS...
12:56<Tengu>koollman: nope
12:57<koollman>Tengu: hmm. my version of parted show the whole block device size, too.
12:57<Tengu>koollman: well, nothing in particular :
12:57<Tengu>no error, that is. size are wrong.. but we can see it in the partition part.
12:57<koollman>Tengu: right. so, anything in the logs about sdc (at detection time)
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12:58<Tengu>rebooting :D wait a minute... it's a bit..... slow
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12:58<koollman>well, right now I have to go. $boss offering us champagne in some nice place. work, work. ;)
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12:59<koollman>Tengu: 'sdc: unknown partition table'. looks like GPT support is missing
12:59<koollman>(And the size is right)
12:59<Tengu>koollman: mmm....
12:59<Tengu>digging on the side of gpt :->
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13:00<Tengu>ermm.. is there a name I can search for a kernel module ? :S
13:00<koollman>you need to rebuild a kernel. or use some other abstraction to get that big device, like lvm
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13:00<koollman>partition is hardcoded, not module. EFI_PARTITION
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13:01<koollman>(and you need PARTITION_ADVANCED to see it in kernel config)
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13:01<Tengu>thank you :D
13:01<koollman>but, alternative solution : install lvm2, pvcreate and such.
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13:01<koollman>now, champagne for me. bye ;)
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13:02<Tengu>koollman: thanks a lot for your tips
13:02*fxiny takes the saber off and chops the widow magnum
13:03<fxiny>enouf: you want a sip ? :P
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13:04<enouf>fxiny: !!
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13:06<enouf>Tengu: might try an etch-backports .26 kernel , in my Lenny/Sid .26 i have =y for both those PARTITION options
13:07<Tengu>enouf: oh ??
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13:08<enouf>i mean, rather than compiling, just grab the kernel
13:08<fxiny>2.6.26 ? i'm using it
13:08<enouf>the -bigmem are for over 4G RAM on 32bit, and has PAE support
13:09<enouf>Tengu: i'm on 2.6.26-1-686
13:09<Tengu>hmmm... it's in my config-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
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13:09<Tengu>so it's ok on this booted kernel
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13:10<enouf>Tengu: there's also a LARGE_DISK support option somewhere, IIRC ... in the FS section .. hrm
13:10<enouf>large volume or something
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13:10<oompa_loompa>is anyone currently having issues with flash player on etch?
13:11<fxiny>i bet you are using the latest
13:11<Tengu>enouf: mmm, nothing like that...
13:11<stew>oompa_loompa: pretty much always
13:11<enouf>bool "Support for Large Block Devices"
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13:11<oompa_loompa>stew, it was working before but after this fresh install I cant get it to work
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13:12<enouf>~$ grep LBD /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686
13:12<ehnvis>quick question, why does kismet have wireshark and a bunch of gnome apps as dependency?
13:12<fxiny>oompa_loompa: fresh ? very last version ?
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13:12<oompa_loompa>fxiny: by fresh install I mean I reinstalled etch
13:12<Tengu>enouf: same here
13:13<enouf>but .. sigh, i personally think you need to zero out everything, and start from scratch, including the setup for the adaptec scsi controller
13:13<fxiny>oompa_loompa: oh , no direct adobe download then
13:13<Tengu>enouf: already done
13:13<Tengu>enouf: my LUN is clean, just created today
13:13<oompa_loompa>fxiny: I tried that, but it isnt working
13:13<oompa_loompa>it copies and everything
13:14<oompa_loompa>but then it when I open iceweasel the browser sayas I still need the addon
13:14<enouf>there is an issue with earlier FStypes and support for over 1.5-2TB FSs .. are those Hitachi 1TB HDDs Tengu ?
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13:14<Tengu>enouf: samsung 1TB HDDs
13:15<enouf>er s/FSs/Volumes
13:15<Tengu>with three it worked fine...
13:15<Tengu>[3 in raid5]
13:15<craigevil-eee>oompa_loompa: try using
13:15<Tengu>but 6 in raid5.... seems to be too big
13:15<oompa_loompa>craigevil-eee: I have it on my sources.list is flash player under that repo?
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13:16<craigevil-eee>yes its flashplayer-mozilla
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13:16<oompa_loompa>craigevil-eee: Im trying that hopefully it will work
13:17<enouf>Tengu: you had setup 3 in raid5 on that exact LUN/COntroller? or are you referring to your other DAS?
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13:17<oompa_loompa>yeah it seems like that worked
13:20<Tengu>enouf: we have only one DAS.
13:20<Tengu>enouf: and thus, those 3 were on this DAS. it was before we bought some other TB hdd ;)
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13:21<Tengu>enouf: I'm digging on google, maybe there's a limitation on the controller side...
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13:23<Tengu>enouf: aahh... can we say that >2TB hdd are "really large drives"
13:24<carmenrm>cuantos años tienes
13:24<enouf>and, fwiw, this is that newer Hitachi drive issue though doesn't seem applicable to your situation .. hrmm
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13:26<Tengu>mmm... but it's in "old" driver...
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13:35<m_vrik>the xrandr command that turned off the laptop monitor was <xrandr --output LVDS --off>. Thanks for the help! The command <xrandr> without an option listed the specs for both monitors and the laptop was designated as "LVDS" rather than "lvds."
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13:42<enouf>low voltage differential signalling, a reference to pci-express
13:43<enouf>Tengu: I don't know whether it's a controller issue (it's BIOS or Driver or Setup or what), a GPT issue, a FStype/version issue - so, might need to get devicemapper involved - see lvm2 ;-)
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13:48<MotoHoss>platform=2.6.26-1-amd64; wecam=Logitech-QuickCams5500 works with "cheese" fails with "camorama" 'could not connect to video device (/dev/video0).' What else do I need to do to get it working?
13:49<Tengu>enouf: if we can avoid it... ;)
13:49<Tengu>going to try latest lenny build in rescue mode. maybe it will show me the Light
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13:50<amjad>How can I move openssl certificates to keytool store?
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13:52<enouf>Tengu: hrm, i noticed from your pastes, parted output shows 600GB, whilst the dmesg/syslog shows 300GB only for sdc -> sd 1:0:1:1: [sdc] 587509760 512-byte hardware sectors (300805 MB)
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13:54<enouf>Tengu: might there be some underlying scsi/sg mapping limitation? .. and hrm, why sdc? or is that how hardware raid presents itself, as opposed to /dev/md0 (mdadm), and /dev/VG00-01/LV00-01 or /dev/mapper/VGxxxx(lvm2/dmraid/etc) ...
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13:55<pgimeno>is libglib1.2ldbl fully compatible with libglib1.2 in i386? IIRC the change was in a different platform (maybe a 64bit one) and I have a lot of "obsolete" packages that depend on libglib1.2
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13:56<enouf>Tengu: in parted, (hit h for help), but hit 'U' for units, then 'B' for bytes, then 'P' for print (then 'q' or 'quit') - whatcha got?
13:57<enouf>Tengu: and now, for the really silly question, your ext3 FS is not using 1K blocks, is it? :-P
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13:58<Tengu>enouf: there are no parted on lenny install cd....... only fdisk, and it's not very happy with GPT/EFI :D
13:58<enouf>heh.. the installer has a customized partman/libparted IIRC
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13:58<Tengu>enouf: tried with xfs and ext3, default options
13:58<Tengu>yeah, "parted_devices"
13:58<enouf>well, default should be 4K blocks
13:58<Tengu>shows me 610G for my DAS....
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14:01<enouf>Tengu: so 6x 1TB disks attached to an Adaptec AIC-7892A Controller (setup for raid5, and shows as /dev/sdc) yields ~100G per disk? or ..are some disks missing you think?
14:01<Tengu>enouf: DAS shows me all is online and configured.... and with the correct size...
14:01<enouf>Tengu: and yet, see my above 300G comment
14:02<enouf>DAS == Some sort of proprietary garbage?
14:02<Tengu>DAS = Direct Access Storage or something like that, our is made by Transtec...
14:02<enouf>Dxxx Attached Storage?
14:02<Tengu>well yeah, Attached.
14:02<enouf>i mentioned that - 1st thing
14:02<enouf>get rid of that crap
14:02<Tengu>well... we can.t
14:03<Tengu>and as it shows as our 1.9 LUN....
14:03<Tengu>shouldn't mess up.
14:03<enouf>yes ... you can ;-) but seriously, when i say zero out, i mean write zeros to all drives involved
14:03<Tengu>and there are no error when i configure the LUN....
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14:04<enouf>LUN, are you using iSCSI?
14:04<Tengu>enouf: yeah. with the adaptec controler.
14:04<enouf>Tengu: what does the controller BIOS tell you? have you tried JBOD option?
14:05<Tengu>can't access this #@# controller bios, it's all bugged
14:05<enouf>heh.. sigh
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14:05<enouf>don't you think that might have something to do with it?
14:05<Tengu>don't know.... maybe, but as it's the first time I access it... -.-
14:06<enouf>You might need some sort of compiled custom driver for that - there have been changes made (to those controllers specifically) in that regard, IIRC
14:06<Tengu>it's a _really_ old card
14:06<Tengu>and a really old DAS [something like 5 years old]
14:06<enouf>poke about on for that aic7xxx info
14:07<enouf>lastly, shoot an email to maybe debian-kernel, debian-boot mailing lists ... not sure what else to tell you .. i don't have that kind of gear to toy with :-P
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14:09<Tengu>seems to be free, this aic7xxx
14:09<Tengu>bsd licence
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14:12<ranix>this is a little off topic, but not much. I'm running Debian, and I have a CD-rom with a bad superblock. Looks like a scratched disk or a failed write. Is there any way to recover the data from this CD?
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14:12<cahoot>tried cdparanoia already?
14:12<ranix>not yet, google didn't turn it up. I'll give it a shot cahoot
14:12<enouf>Tengu: lsmod | grep aic7xxx
14:13<And1>Using compositing with xcompmgr, when I resize a window with my mouse and I release the mouse-button, my X crashes every time. - No errors/messages in X.log or xsession-errors... any ideas?
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14:13<ranix>oh this is a data CD cahoot, is cdparanoia still applicable?
14:13<ranix>more appropriately, I don't exactly know what is on it
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14:13<cahoot>ranix: hmm - no idea
14:14<enouf>Tengu: my .26 has 2 choices, the aic7xxx _old and just aic7xxx - there's also a aic79xx, but yours is 78xx
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14:14<ranix>it seems to be some kind of slideshow from the boss' trip to the Galapagos
14:14<enouf>ranix: you could try the readcd/readom apps
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14:15<enouf>ranix: or see if some tools like isomanager can help .. but i think readcd -c2scan option is more for audio only, not sure
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14:17<enouf>ranix: also - there is another dvdrecovery or something called app, not sure if applicable - ask ppl in ##linux on freenode, if you can't find it, and i can't recall the name
14:19<ranix>enouf: thanks, I now have a bunch of things to inspect and try thanks to your suggestions
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14:20<enouf>ranix: np - note in debian readcd is replaced by readom, it;s the entire cdrkit/cdrtools thing with wodim/genisoimage replacing cdrecord/mkisofs - "/msg dpkg wodim" for more info
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14:21<pgimeno>According to the reasons given here: , on i386 the libglib1.2ldbl binary should be binary-compatible with libglib1.2, is that correct? if so, I'll force my packages to stay
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14:21<Tengu>enouf: and it's the "released" one which is auto-loaded... honnestly, I don't have any idea now... will go back home, eat, and sleep. tomorrow is another day :D
14:21<Tengu>enouf: thanks for your time :)
14:21<Tengu>see you
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14:25<enouf>pgimeno: might you be better off asking in #debian-devel or #debian-mentors ?
14:25<pgimeno>enouf: I will, thanks
14:25<pgimeno>what's debian-mentors?
14:26<dpkg>it has been said that nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
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14:26<dpkg>i heard mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see #debian-mentors on, and
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14:27<tuxcrafter>does somebody know a nice trick to have some sort of dependeny tree view when isntalling a list of programs with apt-get
14:27<pgimeno>enouf: great, thanks
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14:27<tuxcrafter>so it list all the deps under some headline of the program that needs them
14:28<ranix>sounds more like an aptitude thing to do
14:28<enouf>tuxcrafter: well .. you can toy about with apt-cache {r}depends i guess, or try aptitude why packagename
14:28<ranix>(it's more correct to refer to apt packages as 'packages' rather than programs)
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14:29<tuxcrafter>ranix: true packges indeed
14:30<tuxcrafter>enouf: not some trick that list theme while installing?>
14:31<enouf>tuxcrafter: well, i use the -s option many times - especially when i'm uncertain of what will be pulled in, not sure what you mean though
14:31<ranix>I believe tasksel can do something similar
14:31<ranix>but, kind of less useful than apt
14:32<enouf>tuxcrafter: and ... if you think too many other pkgs are being pulled in, maybe you want to disable the Autoinstall Recommends setting
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14:49<jacek_mend_ptrasd>hello there, anyone to answer a question about scripts on systemV / init.d?
14:50<stew>jacek_mend_ptrasd: just ask the question
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14:52<jacek_mend_ptrasd>is it possible to use update-rc.d in a script inside /etc/init.d? e.g. I have a script at /etc/init.d/resetMachine, it is properly linked to all runlevels (added using update-rc.d ... defaults).
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14:53<jacek_mend_ptrasd>Is it possible to use update-rc.d -f resetmachine remove inside the same resetmachine script?
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14:53<jacek_mend_ptrasd>currenty it is not working
14:54<cesurasean>can someone tell me what this means from postfix? status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to[]: Connection refused)
14:54<stew>jacek_mend_ptrasd: that sounds like an odd thing to do. what is the use case?
14:54<jacek_mend_ptrasd>I need to run a script only once on boot-up
14:55<jacek_mend_ptrasd>after it is run, it should be disabled. It is a script to be run after a virtual machine is copied.
14:55<jacek_mend_ptrasd>I need to run a script only once on boot-up -> after it is run for the first time, in the next boots/shutdowns it should never run again
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14:56<hahnp>why dont you run it one manually
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14:58<Jacek_m>running manually is not an option - no one can count on users. Besides, it is a problem related to udev/rules.d - everytime a virtual machine is copied, it get a new mac address... so, there is no valid net config for the new net interface
14:58<tuxcrafter>enouf: my auto recommands suggest and pdiff are off
14:59<tuxcrafter>i will checkout tasksel
14:59<tuxcrafter>i thing zenity pulls in to much stuff
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14:59<tuxcrafter>i have to check it out
14:59<tuxcrafter>someobody know a gtk alternative for rhythmbox
14:59<hahnp>oh Jacek_m i think i understand your problem
14:59<tuxcrafter>i am building a media system only to play music
14:59<amphi>tuxcrafter: quodlibet ? (pygtk)
14:59<tuxcrafter>i need an app as main frontend
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15:01<hopeful>Hello ppl. Can anyone point me to a solution for nautilus and root? Specifically I'd like a 'gksu nautilus' method. Gksu is installed but fails gnome authentication layers...
15:01<enouf>tuxcrafter: oh yeah! .. you were the one that pointed out my misuse of '=' issue in the apt.conf file :-P
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15:01<hahnp>Jacek_m, if i understand correctly you start a script to change the mac configuration and mabe something else... why dont you just remove the script at the end of the script? by remove it in /etc/rc.*
15:02<hahnp>hopeful, errormessage?
15:02<hopeful>ok hang on...
15:03<hopeful> 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.)
15:03<Jacek_m>currently no error message, it is just that the update-rc.d does not show the typical update " Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/basicvm-first-boot ..."
15:03<Jacek_m>you mean placing the script inside /etc/rc.local ?
15:03<hopeful>That was running gksu nautilus from terminal for error output
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15:04<hahnp>and just remove the link to the script in /etc/rc.*
15:04<Jacek_m>hahnp: it sounds like a good idea
15:04<Jacek_m>i will try it
15:05<Jacek_m>give you an update in 10 min
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15:06<EmleyMoor>What kinds of streaming media will play on mplayer with w64codecs?
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15:11<Jacek_m>hahnp: /etc/rc.local is a file, not a directory
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15:12<Jacek_m>hahnp: I though /etc/rc.local would be a directory. so that I could create symlinks to my script and remove
15:13<hahnp>can you explain me your work a litl bit more
15:13<hahnp>you want
15:13<hahnp>you create a virtual mashine
15:13<hahnp>and on startup of the vm
15:13<hahnp>you want to start a script to "repair" the mac things
15:13<hahnp>is that correct
15:14<hahnp>after "repairing" you want to remove this script
15:14<tuxcrafter>somebody knows how to remove podcast and radio support from the rhythombox
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15:16<Jacek_m>it's more or less like you described. but all I want to do is to repair this mac thing by removing the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules file and rebooting the machine. when the machine reboots, the script should not run again, because the newly generated /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules will be fine.
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15:16<Jacek_m>this script I want to run only once is like an initialization script for my virtual machines.
15:16<hahnp>then you just have to remove the script on end of the script right?
15:17<hahnp>where is the problem ? :D
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15:18<Jacek_m>and also reboot the machine as soon as possible, so that it gets an ip address via dhcp with the corresponding config in /etc/networking/interfaces
15:18<hahnp>is restarting the network not enough?
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15:18<Jacek_m>removing the symlinks with update-rc.d seems not to work, and to schedule this reboot it is also problematic
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15:19<hahnp>where is the script placed?
15:19<sentinel>hi all
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15:19<hahnp>in the runlevels ?
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15:19<Jacek_m>" /etc/ctf/basicvm-first-boot"
15:19<hahnp>and how do you start it?
15:20<hahnp>via runlevel-symlink?
15:20<Jacek_m>update-rc.d basicvm-first-boot defaults
15:20<hahnp>why not place a symlink directly in i.e. /etc/rc.4
15:20<hahnp>and remove the link at the end of script
15:21<Jacek_m>well that's not how I learned it.
15:22<Jacek_m>that is the point of my frist question. If it is possible to use update-rc.d for a script to disable itself on the first run
15:22<hahnp>update-rc.d is also just a script which doese exactly the same thing
15:22<hahnp>i think its just removing the symlink in the runlevel
15:23<hahnp>it should be no problem to do that
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15:23<hahnp>also via update-rc.d
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15:24<Jacek_m>and would you have an idea how to schedule a reboot for 15 secs ? "shutdown -r -t 15 now" happens immediately
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15:25<hahnp>shutdown -t sec
15:25<Jacek_m>hahnp: I am going to eat something, thank you for the nice chat and the nice ideas. I will be back in 40 min if you're still there.
15:26<hahnp>shutdown -t 15 should reboot in 15 secs :D
15:26<hahnp>öhm... -r
15:26<hahnp>shutdown -r -t 15
15:26<hahnp>i think
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15:36<flash600>hi all! I've a question: can I reonnect a ssh session without screen?
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15:37<petern>you can't
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15:40<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
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15:41<carmelo>ma coem si fa?
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15:48<bidouille>newbie question - tried to make etch + xen + HP RAID CCISS to work - get "waiting for root filesystem" while etch without xen boot like a charm on same HW/same config
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15:49<mlu1109>hello guys, I don't know what to do
15:49<mlu1109>I accidently put on a screen resolution that my monitor couldn't handle and now I can't run gnome anymore
15:50<mlu1109>I've tried editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf but for some reason there's nothing about my monitor
15:50<ranix>mlu1109: alt-control-f1, login, and try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:50<hahnp>can you show your xort.conf
15:50<bidouille>cciss.ko is present in initrd xen, I definitively missed something. Googled all around, did not found related issue, I'm search since 2 days.... grrrr...
15:51<mlu1109>hahnp, sorry I can't I
15:51<mlu1109>'m using this failsafe terminal and there's only one
15:51<hahnp>hm kay
15:51<mlu1109>(currently busy with Xchat)
15:51<mlu1109>but there's nothing about screen resolutions in there
15:51<hahnp>then you should run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:51<hahnp>maybe this would help
15:52<mlu1109>okay, I did that before and I didn't get anything exept that it reseted my xorg.conf file
15:52<ranix>it's the re-configurator
15:52<mlu1109>but there's still no resolutions in xorg.conf
15:52<ranix>mlu1109: you could apt-get remove xrandr
15:52<ranix>mlu1109: that would probably axe the problem
15:53<ranix>mlu1109: careful for dependencies and don't do that if it is going to uninstall like crazy ass shit
15:53<mlu1109>I wasn't planning to remove it
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15:53<mlu1109>why did Ubuntu take out resolutions from the xorg.conf?!
15:53<mlu1109>and now what...
15:53<hahnp>how did you put on the screen resolution?
15:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:53<hahnp>via gnome?
15:53<mlu1109>hahnp, yeah
15:54<mlu1109>okay, ranix fuck you - I hate geeks like you trying to prove that you are something online, you fucking e-thug
15:54<ranix>mlu1109: are you running ubuntu
15:54<mlu1109>thanks for your help hahnp I'm going to look for an Ubuntu channel
15:54<mlu1109>fuck off
15:54<ranix>mlu1109: then gtfo
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15:55<ranix>enouf: I am an e-thug
15:55<ranix>they see me thuggin', they hatin'
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15:56<the-me>bidouille, hmm I could just agree with you, that HP smartarrays are working well with etch and lenny (cciss ones) - I think this may be a xen kernel specific bug then
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15:59<bidouille>the-me: huh... not nice, I'm using a ML370G3 with a SA532 which is a pretty old one and seems supported since a while... I saw several post about incompatibilities with Hyperthreading or missing modprobe in the initrd image.. could be something like taht?
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16:00<the-me>bidouille, hm okay that one we do not use. we are using all the ones from the e* and p* smart array series without problems on debian
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16:05<uva>is there some init.d script to initial svn server?
16:06<uva>i apt-get install svn and found there is no added script for svn server
16:07<hahnp>maybe something in subversion-tools
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16:11<bidouille>the-me: thanks anyway for your time answering my #@$! problem... :-). I will try maybe a last thing: extract the initrd img and compare the xen version with the non-xen version...
16:11<tuxcrafter>hmm somebody knows a way to add multiple songs with the mouse only with the quad libet application?
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16:12<dr|z3d>tuxcrafter: Try holding down ctrl as you select more than one..?
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16:13<tuxcrafter>dr|z3d: ctrl is not part of the mouse
16:14<dr|z3d>tuxcrafter: Thanks for telling me that. I would never have known.
16:14<tuxcrafter>dr|z3d: hihi sorry :-p
16:15<tuxcrafter>dr|z3d: my question was with the mouse only :-p
16:15<tuxcrafter>rhytmbox seem to have the same limitation
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16:17<dr|z3d>tuxcrafter: Without keyboard modifers, like ctrl, shift and alt, you'll often find you cannot do what you want.
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16:21<tuxcrafter>ah rhytmbox has the same plugin bugs as totem when a plugin can not be loaded and is enabled by default I can not disable it in the plugin dialog
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16:30<tuxcrafter>quad libet is pretty nice
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16:30<tuxcrafter>to bad of the strange name
16:30<tuxcrafter>quod libet
16:31<tzafrir_laptop>I'd like to build myself a home riuter box. But for the extra fun factor I'd like it not to be x86
16:31<tzafrir_laptop>router box, that is
16:31<dr|z3d>tzafrir_laptop: Have a look at
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16:35<tzafrir_laptop>dr|z3d, thanks. Looks just like what I want. Is it known to play well with Debian?
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16:37<alteoma>i have compiled kernel and fuse2.8 pre and installed it on lenny, but there was no fuse.ko build. in the changelog is written that the kernel module was removed. how can i get fuse to work?
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16:40<simonrvn>alteoma: it's been part of the kernel for a while now
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16:41<alteoma>simonrvn: ok, how can i enable it. i have make menu config open...
16:41<simonrvn>under filesystems
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16:45<alteoma>simonrvn: i found it, perfect. does that mean that i dont need the files from anymore?
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16:45<tomtomt>hi there, im having problems with a new kernel compile. when booting up with the new kernel, it get scrolling text with msgs of udevd[2108] get_netlink_msg: unable to receive kernel netlink message: socket operation on non-socket. after googling only suggestions is my /dev is missing something, but i did not do a copy of from a live cd, which is where others have exerperienced this
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16:47<simonrvn>alteoma: yes
16:48<amjad>i need to install trusted certficate for sslexplorer, does anyone has any idea how can I do that/
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16:50<simonrvn>stick it in with the other certs...?
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16:53<oompa_loompa>hi, how can I upgrade nm-applet on etch? I connect to a different network via openvpn, and I'd like to use nm-applet to do so, can anyone give me any hints on this?
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16:53<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r5>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
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16:54<zobel>dpkg: no, Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
16:54<dpkg>zobel: okay
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16:54<dpkg>i guess etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
16:55<zobel>dpkg: thanks
16:55<dpkg>zobel: sure thing
16:55<simonrvn>!tell zobel -about msg the bot
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16:55<zobel>simonrvn: i know how it works, but thx.
16:55<oompa_loompa>any ideas?
16:55<simonrvn>esp. modding a factoid, it gets spammy
16:56<zobel>simonrvn: it now looks perfect.
16:56<simonrvn>oompa_loompa: dist-upgrade to lenny? i'm guessing this is a desktop/laptop box
16:56<simonrvn>zobel: :)
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16:57<zobel>also, don't you want to know that we are currently releasing r6? :)
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16:57<oompa_loompa>simonrvn: it is, but I'd rather not do that
16:57<simonrvn>zobel: no :P hehe
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16:58<simonrvn>zobel: congrats on another release for etch then
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16:59*simonrvn is dreading the move to lenny
16:59<blarson>zobel: topic needs changed too.
17:00<@Ganneff>we arent dont yet
17:00<zobel>blarson: as soon as it is pushed out
17:01<@Ganneff>so tomorrow unless i do an extra push after i finished the release.
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17:06<oompa_loompa>is there a way to add openvpn support to nm-applet on etch
17:07<alteoma>simonrvn: ok, i am rebuilding the kernel now. i used fuse 2 ways: 1.) truecrypt and 2.) owfs - can i also skip the fusebuilding when i needed the fuse libs for owfs?
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17:08<simonrvn>alteoma: if you build the kernel headers package too then you're golden
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17:09<tomtomt>does anyone know which kernel options must be enabled so udev doesnt freak out upon boot ?
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17:12<alteoma>simonrvn: i use a vmware to build all my kernels(5 versions) and addional deb files(like owfs with checkinstall). i think therefore i dont need the headerfiles, because i have all under /usr/src while building the debs. could that be?
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17:21<amjad>i need to install trusted certficate for sslexplorer, does anyone has any idea how can I do that/
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17:22<simonrvn>alteoma: you building without make-kpkg then?
17:23<chealer>!tell zobel about 4.0r6
17:23<zobel>chealer: why do i want to know?
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17:24<chealer>zobel: you don't, but users than will ask about 4.0r6 will :)
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17:29<alteoma>simonrvn: the kernel is build with make-kpkg, but owfs and until now the fuse module was build with checkinstall
17:29<simonrvn>mm, ok.
17:29<alteoma>mm? is there a more easy way? can i build owfs also the "debian" way?
17:34<oompa_loompa>can vpnc connect to an openvpn server?
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17:38<simonrvn>alteoma: sure. is it in debian? if not then you could debianize it or keep using checkinstall
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17:46<alteoma>simonrvn: yes it is in debian. have you made owfs the debian way? before i had to build the kernel, then the fuse kernel module - that depended on the kernel and then ows that depended on this fuse version.
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17:48<chealer>oompa_loompa: not according to its manpage
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17:49<chealer>oompa_loompa: (it's not stated explicitly though)
17:49<oompa_loompa>chealer: is there anyway to add openvpn support to nm-applet on etch?
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17:49<chealer>oompa_loompa: I don't know network-manager besides some of its bugs
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17:57<alteoma>simonrvn: new kernel is build, i tried to run truecrypt but it fails :-( Error: /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel? Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.27 (2008-06-25)(compat) and kernel driver
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17:58<the-me>oompa_loompa, do you mean with vpnc "kvpnc"?
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17:58<the-me>oompa_loompa, the nm-frontends could handle ovpn connections, but this is realy misserable..
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17:59<the-me>alteoma, why do you not use the debian kernel?
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17:59<the-me>there is everything in it what you need (also for truecrypt=
17:59<simonrvn>alteoma: you have it?
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18:00<alteoma>the-me: i use for example 3ware 9650, the standard kernel was not working with it, therefore i started to build it manually
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18:00<alteoma>simonrvn: i build the kernel with fuse in it, but when i run truecrypt it shows that message from above
18:01<the-me>alteoma, I still have got one server with this controller and it worked out of the bix
18:01<the-me>now I just could not remember if it was on etch or lenny..
18:01<simonrvn>you obviously need device-mapper module...
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18:01<alteoma>the-me: ok, with lenny, probabbly, but before with etch it was not very nice ....
18:02<alteoma>simonrvn: device-mapper? any hint for that. again a kernel thing?
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18:02<simonrvn>well, your true-crypt is asking for it...
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18:03<alteoma>here the write that its a thing of lilo
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18:03<alteoma>simonrvn: ok, how can i get it? any hint?
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18:04<simonrvn>by building it, or modprobe it if it is
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18:09<alteoma>simonrvn: the module is not there, that means again building, i found under device-drivers, userspace IO drivers. is it that? or do i need something else. sorry for asking but after hours my nerves are blank ...
18:10<alteoma>the-me: i think it is lenny, because on etch you need a special bootdisc from 3ware to get it up.
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18:14<alteoma>simonrvn: i found under multidevice device mapper support :-)
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18:58<nagash>hola a todos
18:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:58<nagash>ciao a tutti
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18:58<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:47<tobi392>hey guys, any apache freak out there?
19:48<smash>well just ask and lets see what we can do for ya
19:48<Bushmills>tell tobi392 -about ask
19:49<Bushmills>!tell tobi392 -about ask
19:49<tobi392>oh thanks
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19:51<tobi392>i´m configuring my webserver an have problems with the vhosts. any subdomains i configure will link to the domain´s target
19:52<smash>well first of all, is your dns configured properly?
19:52<smash>I guess so
19:52<tobi392>also subdomains i did not configure, like wildcards will link to it
19:52<smash>you might show us the relevant part of your apache config (the vhost part tho)
19:53<tobi392>yeah maybe, i registered my domains at and added a-records to my ip, could this be a mistake?
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19:54<sliggy>Anyone mind helping me out with an apache hating me issue?
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19:54<Bushmills>tobi392: no. if the name resolves to the ip of your web server, the problem should be your apache config
19:55<debacle>hi all, is there any netatalk user here ? i need your help
19:55<tobi392>okay, i heard something that the webserver cannot handle those domains
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19:56<sliggy>For some reason, I decided to install websvn through apt-get, which uninstalled phpmyadmin and somehow broke php itself, now I can't get any php scripts working, even after install php5 (including every single php-x package I could find). Any ideas as to what could be wrong?
19:56<Bushmills>!tell debacle -about anybody
19:56<tobi392>can i paste my vhost config here?
19:57<Bushmills>!tell tobi392 -about paste
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19:59<debacle>i 've installed netatalk (it's an apple talk like server) it works but mac os 10.5 client refuses to login they say user/pass error ... but user/pass are right. Can anyone help please ?
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20:01<tobi392>or is there any apache paramter to handle any subdomain?
20:02<Bushmills>tobi392: "(01:52:39) smash: you might show us the relevant part of your apache config (the vhost part tho)"
20:03<tobi392>how can i paste multiple lines?
20:03<Bushmills>tobi392: "(01:57:24) Bushmills: !tell tobi392 -about paste"
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20:06<tobi392>!tell tobi392 -about paste
20:06<tobi392>i´m new to irc
20:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:08<tobi392>yeah, i sent it
20:08<adama>dpkg has told you that in a private message. How that is displayed depends on your IRC client
20:08<dpkg>that's too long, adama
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20:11<Bushmills>tobi392: did you do anything besides editing the VirtualHost file, such as using a2ensite to enable it?
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20:13<tobi>sry, i were offline shortly
20:13<Bushmills>tobi, did you do anything besides editing the VirtualHost file, such as using a2ensite to enable it?
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20:15<tobi>i did a restart, is that what you mean
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20:16<Bushmills>no. i meant "using a2ensite to enable it"
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20:18<tobi>no, i did not, whats a2ensite doing? for understanding, i want to use syscp webserver management and this command is not necessary through installing and using
20:19<Bushmills>for using syscp, you're on your own
20:20<tobi>but the problem should be the same
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20:20<Bushmills>ok, if it is the same, then use a2ensite
20:21<Bushmills>syscp is neither a debian package, not do i know it.
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20:23<tobi>okay, thanks for the first - i will try for my own
20:23<Bushmills>(and i think those web config frontends lock one in, by not letting them know how to do things without the particular configuration frontend)
20:23<tobi>okay, i´m thinking about ist and maybe i starting from beginning again
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20:25<snogglethorpe>tobi: probably better to use utf-8 rather than latin-1 as your irc encoding
20:25<Bushmills>imagine a different provider, with same apache but different front end. in case of relying on frontend, you need to relearn. had you dealt with apache directly, all you know can be reapplied.
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20:59<Halitech>hi folks, got one thats not making much sense to me, I install lm-sensors and added the sensors output to my panel and it is reading my cpu usage at 100% but conky is showing maybe 20-25%. top shows 75-80% being used by wa. any idea what wa is?
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21:05<Halitech>ok, after doing man top I found out wa is Amount of time the CPU has been waiting for I/O to complete. anyone know what exactly that means?
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21:10<chealer>Halitech: exactly what it means...or the time the CPU has been blocked on I/O, if you wish
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21:11<Halitech>chealer, kinda gathering that but how do I tell what process it seems to be waiting on?
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21:14<chealer>Halitech: which Debian suite do you use?
21:15<Halitech>lenny with xfce4
21:15<chealer>Halitech: did you check iotop?
21:15<Halitech>no I didn't, give me a sec and I will
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21:18<deniz>can someone please tell me how to put an image as a backround in impress (=powerpoiint)?
21:19<Halitech>chealer, ok, have iotop running and other then bit torrent writting to the drive every now and then, nothing is jumping out at me but then again, not exactly sure what I'm looking for
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21:23<hero77>ciao ragazzi
21:23<hero77>ci siete?
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21:23<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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21:24<chealer>Halitech: the manpage doesn't help, but I suppose you look for a process with high IO
21:25<Halitech>chealer, everything was at 0 except the odd time that bit torrent and syslogd wrote something
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21:27<Halitech>chealer, kjournald seems to write some as well
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21:28<deniz>can someone please help me with backrounds and impress?
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21:28<chealer>deniz: did you ask ?
21:28<chealer>Halitech: what does syslog write?
21:29<deniz>chealer, there is such a channel?
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21:29<chealer>deniz: yes (on freenode)
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21:31<chealer>Halitech: a larger extract would help, but that's suspicious
21:32<Halitech>chealer, I didn't think it looked right to me
21:32<deniz>chealer, is OFTC NOT freenode?
21:32<chealer>deniz: no. freenode is PDPC
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21:33<deniz>chealer, how do i go on freenode on etch's xchat?
21:33<Halitech>chealer, how much do you want?
21:33<sliggy>For some reason, I decided to install websvn through apt-get, which uninstalled phpmyadmin and somehow broke php itself, now I can't get any php scripts working, even after install php5 (including every single php-x package I could find). Any ideas as to what could be wrong?
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21:34<chealer>!tell sliggy about doesn't work
21:35<chealer>Halitech: at least the complete "message"
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21:35<chealer>Halitech: the whole file isn't supposed to be that big
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21:36<chealer>deniz: I didn't use xchat since a long time, I can't say by heart
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21:38<Halitech>chealer, well, it looks like it is
21:39<chealer>Halitech: the file is bug or the message is complete?
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21:42<Halitech>chealer, the file is long, was just looking through it as it goes back a couple of days but seems like it might be an issue with k9copy dying
21:42<chealer>Halitech: OK
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21:46<Halitech>chealer, I'm seeing alot of k9copy and hald-addon-stor blocked for more then 120 second messages, k9copy is not showing running and I dont know about killing hald-addon-stor
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21:49<chealer>Halitech: I don't know k9copy and can only guess, but there might be a deadlock between those 2
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21:50<Halitech>k9copy is like dvdshrink and it seemed to lock up on me so maybe its still holding on, gonna try a reboot and see what happens
21:52<chealer>Halitech: I've never seen such a situation though, and I'm not sure what each process could be monopolizing besides your ODD
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21:54<Halitech>chealer, me either, gonna reboot, give me 2 and I'll be right back
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21:59<Halitech>chealer, back and whatever it was seems to have been cleared
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22:01<icf7>I want to test a kernel module patch, so I unpacked kernel-source-2.6.26.tar.bz2, patched and called make bzwImage, make my/module.ko. Although I run the stock sid kernel (2.6.26, same version number!), insmod my/module.ko yields "-1 Invalid module format". What am I doing wrong?
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22:03<superjet_busy>!kernel module
22:03<enouf>icf7: wow. you did about 5 things wrong :-)
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22:04<enouf>icf7: kernel-source-xxx.tar.bz2? from where? .. patched? how? with what? ... do /msg dpkg kernel-package
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22:05<enouf>icf7: insmod is deprecated, use modprobe, and run depmod -a ... to make modules, use m-a
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22:08<superjet_busy>icf7: you need compile it according to your running kernel not the source
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22:12<icf7>enouf: kernel-source- from the debian package kernel-source-2.6.26. The patch should not matter, i.e. adding whitespace. modprobe is not useful here as I want to load a kernel module in cwd. depmod -a is not needed as no other module uses mine.
22:13<icf7>superjet_busy: How do I do that?
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22:14<enouf>icf7: i recoiled, b/c is it's called linux-source-xxx, not kernel-source
22:15<icf7>enouf: yes, you're right. Sorry for mixing those. I did indeed only use linux-source, mistakenly transcribed kernel-source
22:15<enouf>icf7: and .. patch doesn't matter? well, since it's debian source, correct - however if it was vanilla, you'd be way way off
22:15<superjet_busy>icf7: read kernel documentation about kbuild
22:17<enouf>icf7: and wtf with make bzimage?
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22:26<icf7>enouf: you're right, bzImage has no effect on what I want to achieve. However, the URL doesn't apply here, does it? I want to rebuild just a single module, not the entire kernel, and certainly not repackage it
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22:30<icf7>Found it. For the logfile: Just call make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` in the directory of the module. That's it.
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22:33<icf7>ammendment to my solution: and modprobe -r, modprobe it, of course ;)
22:33<enouf>icf7: yes, make -C is more apropos, but the debian way is via using module-assistant
22:33<icf7>anyway, thanks for your helpful pointers, enough, superjet_busy.
22:34<icf7>enouf: well, I just want to test the patch
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22:54<grendelson>I recently ran an update/upgrade (testing - testing) and now I have an /sbin/vgscan that is in an Uninterruptible SLeep state in ps. It hung the first time lvm2 ran and tried to scan lvm's /... What is an uninterrutible sleep and how do I stop it without losing data ?
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22:54<grendelson>Is a reboot my only option
22:55<grendelson>enouf, I got a full backup with my backupninja working again....
22:55<grendelson>Now I'm troubleshooting the actual problem and narrowed it down to the hung /sbin/vgscan task....
22:55<grendelson>Uninterruptibel sleep states tend to be IO related - but I'm not sure where to see what IO is hung or not responding etc....
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23:10<enouf>grendelson: i mentioned your issue to some resident channel devs, so try back again when they are free - possiblt ~8-12 noon EST
23:11<grendelson>8-12 Noon EST hmm that is 7-11 my time... ill have to get an IRC client on my work pc and try again tmrw - THanks!
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23:13<grendelson>enouf, I got backupninja working again... so at least my backups are good again... Now I really want to get to the root of this vgscan before I reboot - part of me jsut says reboot adn free up the lock, part of me is too scared :-)
23:13<grendelson>Of course if the power goes out the decision will be made for me....
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