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---Logopened Thu Dec 18 00:00:14 2008
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01:15<Ajzimm3rman>Hello. I've just installed the base system for Debian, and I was wondering why I don't have connection to the internet?
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01:18<tushon>totally random, but im trying to connect to a different irc server to get help and its just sitting on the connecting phase. i wanted to check and see if i did anything wrong.
01:18<tushon>any willing to help?
01:20<superseb>tushon: where are you trying to connect to?
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01:23<tushon>message it hangs on is "Connecting to ( port 0..."
01:26<superseb>i got redirected to that one, and got in straight away
01:27<tushon>superseb: thanks much
01:28<Ajzimm3rman>Hi. I've just installed the base system of Debian from the net install cd. Following this guide: I was supposed to add mirrors (etc); All went well with adding the mirrors, but I'm not getting a connection to the internet.
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01:29<cahoot>at least got a net interface? ip link
01:30<Ajzimm3rman>Sorry, what cahoot ?
01:30<Ajzimm3rman>I tried pinging google and it didn't work. (net install worked fine but reboot led to a non-connection.)
01:30<cahoot>ip link (or ifconfig -a) would tell if you have a working nic
01:31<Ajzimm3rman>And if it's not? cahoot ?
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01:32<cahoot>might be your installed kernel in som respect lacks essential support for your networkdevice
01:34<Ajzimm3rman>If I do the install and select a mirror, then it proceeds as it was intended to- downloading GNOME etc. And it works fine with the internet and everything. This time I didn't select a network mirror in order to install the base system and build from there cahoot. So, I was hoping I was just missing a simple command or starting a daemon.
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01:36<Ajzimm3rman>I think I've found my answer. idk. I'll be back .
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01:43<sheldonh> /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn refers to variable IF_OPENVPN. how do i manipulate the contents of that variable in interfaces(5)?
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01:44<gsimmons>sheldonh: "openvpn connection_name" as an IFACE option.
01:44<sheldonh>gsimmons: oh. is it documented?
01:45<gsimmons>sheldonh: Yep, it's in openvpn's README.Debian.
01:45<sheldonh>gsimmons: ah, doh! thanks
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01:47<sheldonh>hmmmm. gets interesting if you use network-manager :)
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01:50<sheldonh>gsimmons: given the criteria network-manager uses when it considers interfaces to manage, i don't think i can use interfaces to tie vpns to interfaces
01:50<gsimmons>sheldonh: Actually, this isn't documented in Etch's version, but works almost the same. Post-Etch versions allow multiple vpn names to be specified (eg. openvpn home office dungeon), etc.
01:50<sheldonh>gsimmons: yeah, using sid. just didn't think to check openvpn's docs
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01:57<sheldonh>gsimmons: i think i should just bootstrap openvpn, reduce verbosity, and let it grind away until it has an internet connection to play with :)
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02:01<sheldonh>gsimmons: fell in love with interfaces(5) when it came time to deploy ipv6 over my vpn
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02:02<D1ablo>sheldonh> you gonna be heart broken soon :-)
02:02<sheldonh>D1ablo: why's that? going away?
02:02<sheldonh>D1ablo: i adjust easily. used to think gentoo's conf.d/net was the only way to go
02:03<simonrvn>D1ablo: you have valid info to share, or are you just spreading FUD?
02:04*D1ablo keeps his mouth shut and grin
02:05<sheldonh>what does avahi-daemon do for me? it's very noisy :)
02:05<D1ablo>do google vp6 and packet sniffers
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02:05<simonrvn>i.e., spreading FUD.
02:06<sheldonh>D1ablo: vp6 is a video codec?
02:07<sheldonh>simonrvn: if he means ipv6, it sure sounds like bollocks to me :)
02:07<dpkg>from memory, fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or
02:08<sheldonh>D1ablo: i imagine ipv6 presents enormous security challenges, because it's something new, and requires additional thinking
02:09<sheldonh>D1ablo: but it's no more or less susceptible to plaintext attacks than ipv4 (since just about nobody's using the security extensions)
02:09<D1ablo>well tahts the odd
02:09<D1ablo>wich is in your favor
02:09<sheldonh>D1ablo: so far, the big problem for linux users seems to be "well let me just allow all v6 traffic for now, and i'll tighten up my firewall rules once i have it working" :)
02:09<D1ablo>nothing is secure IMHO well at least not 100%
02:10*D1ablo agree
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02:11<D1ablo>sheldonh > fear is good makes you paranoid with your firewall
02:11<sheldonh>D1ablo: yes. and back here on planet earth, we work with what we've got and address the concerns we can address. ipv6 doesn't present a new concern around packet sniffing, unless you're a retard and fail to consider exposure through your tunnel topology
02:12<D1ablo>whats the odd of having a cracker living next door to you?
02:13<sheldonh>anyway, seems like we're still years away from v6 being something other than a toy. tucows still don't offer v6 glue records and google's search engine has no AAAA records. pants
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02:13<sheldonh>D1ablo: high. and that has no bearing on my use of ipv6
02:14<D1ablo>sheesh you most be living at uni ?
02:14<sheldonh>D1ablo: of course it's high. i live in suburbia, surrounded by at least 4 teenagers
02:15<sheldonh>D1ablo: plus, not all crackers are human. chances are, one of my less savvy neighbours has malware on her computers, seeking out open wireless networks to vomit into :)
02:15<D1ablo>well back when wap was used on WIFI i said to myslef whats the odds? i was wrong :-)
02:15<sheldonh>D1ablo: plaintext is evil :)
02:16<D1ablo>huh! try hex key
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02:17<D1ablo>is actually weasier than you think , but back then wap was the only encryp.
02:18<D1ablo>now lets see how he did it, cloned my mac and ssid
02:18<sheldonh>D1ablo: i mean plaintext client-server communication is evil. i don't think all unencrypted layer 2 networks are evil (although vendor support for unencrypted wireless seems a bit retarded)
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02:19<sheldonh>D1ablo: wap? do you mean wpa or wep?
02:19<D1ablo>paket sniffed the key from one of my wii client
02:20<sheldonh>sounds like wep
02:20<D1ablo>yeah wep
02:20<sheldonh>wep is pants
02:21<D1ablo>then cloned one of my wifi client mac address and input wep key and he was surfing the net
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02:22<D1ablo>nice story eyy ?:-)
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02:23<sheldonh>serves you right for using wep :)
02:23<D1ablo>that was the only encryp atm
02:24<sheldonh>*shrug* when all there was was wep, i just didn't use wireless
02:24<jm_>you coul dalways use ipsec on top of it
02:24<sheldonh>it was understood to be grossly insecure pretty much before the hardware hit the mainstream
02:24<D1ablo>call me paranoid ...but nothing is safe
02:25<sheldonh>jm_: yes, there's always the "more work" option :P
02:25<D1ablo>i can turn on my wifi right now and i can see at least 12 un protected AP :-)
02:26<D1ablo>no key needed
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02:28<D1ablo>thats why my linksys runs linux :-)
02:31<D1ablo>my new ipcop router almost ready to go , to replace the old one :-)
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03:02<sheldonh>gsimmons: confirmed. openvpn does a fine job of coping with changes in active nic. two minutes of outage, then zadding!
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03:13<sheldonh>okay, it's official. avahi is pants
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03:16<simonrvn>sheldonh: yeh, old news, man hehe
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03:26<sheldonh>man, i love apt. aptitude remove ~iavahi... No, No, No, Yes. perfect dependency resolution :)
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04:00<Supaplex>how do I configure m-a to automatically recompile and install select modules when a kernel upgrade occurs?
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04:08<Supaplex>simonrvn: boo :)
04:09<simonrvn>hey, hehe
04:10<sep>Supaplex, that's not implemented afaik ; but you can allways try something like m-a list-installed | xargs m-a a-i
04:10<sep>into /etc/kernel-img.conf
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04:11<sep>using one of the hooks there
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04:12<Supaplex>hummm cool idea.
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04:15<Supaplex>duck! it's mIRC!
04:15<Supaplex>sup eraclio
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04:19<simonrvn>oh boy, get your anti-mirc scripts out ;p
04:19<Supaplex>mine is /sv. just watch.
04:19<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
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04:30<Gekz>my irssi in debian is not rendering utf8 text correctly in screen over ssh
04:30<Gekz>while it renders it correctly without screen
04:30<Gekz>leading me to believe that it is screen being mean
04:30<Supaplex>!lart screen+utf8
04:30*dpkg chops screen+utf8 in half with a free AOL CD
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04:31<petern>"works for me" .com
04:32<Gekz>does not
04:32<Supaplex>Gekz: what are you running it in/on/through? putty? xterm? konsole?
04:32<Gekz>Supaplex: iTerm
04:32<Gekz>it doesnt matter what terminal it is though
04:33<Gekz>its only inside the screen session
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04:33<Supaplex>what's echo $TERM say outside of screen?
04:34<Garda>Ubuntu used to, it may still, have a bug that would frequently stop/start the hard drive
04:34<Supaplex>humm I wonder how screen even groks utf anyway. (out of my league TBH)
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04:34<Garda>and lead to accellerated hard disk wear
04:34<petern>$LANG may be more pertinent
04:34<Garda>is that bug present on debian?
04:34<Supaplex>!tell Garda -about bts
04:35<Gekz>it says xterm outside of screen
04:35<Gekz>petern: lang is set correctlyu
04:35<Gekz>it's en_AU.utf-8
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04:36<simonrvn>Supaplex: just turn it on. CLI or .rc file
04:36<petern>both in and out of screen, i assume?
04:37<Gekz>:utf8 on
04:37<Gekz>or defutf8 on
04:37<Gekz>I've done both
04:37<Gekz>it still hates me
04:37<petern>i have en_GB.UTF-8
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04:37<petern>i don't know if UTF-8 or utf-8 matters
04:37<Gekz>I meant to capitalise it in this chatbox
04:38<petern>i've never touched any UTF-8 setting except for setting it as the default locale...
04:38<simonrvn>i turn it on via: (pastebinning)
04:38<Gekz>petern: I've enabled it _everywhere_ now
04:38<Gekz>iTerm, screen, irssi, environment variaboles
04:38<Gekz>it are hating.
04:39<jm_>Gekz: run "locale charmap" in screen
04:39<Gekz>jm_: UTF-8
04:39<Supaplex>ditto here.
04:39<jm_>Gekz: so terminal is fine then
04:39<jm_>check irssi settings perhaps
04:40<Gekz>all other variables say en_AU.UTF-8
04:40<Gekz>except LC_ALL
04:40<jm_>that's OK
04:40<Gekz>jm_: I did check irssi settings, it says the term_charmap is UTF-8
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04:40<Supaplex>simonrvn: is -U equiv to the .rc ?
04:40<petern>was en_AU.UTF-8 generated?
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04:40<Gekz>I checked that also
04:40<simonrvn>insurance ;). back when i was setting it up, it wouldn't go utf-8 on me without that -U
04:41<simonrvn>even with the .rc settings
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04:41<jm_>Gekz: how did met3or's signoff show?
04:42<jm_>Gekz: maybe it's just your font that sucks
04:42<simonrvn>like chinese
04:42<Gekz>I just launched screen with -U
04:42<petern>four hashes
04:42<Gekz>and now I want to cry
04:42<Gekz>because it worked in the other window
04:42<Gekz>some UTF8 works
04:42<Gekz>thats the weird part
04:42<jm_>so it may be the font then
04:42<Gekz>because in the other window I just loaded
04:42<Gekz>with -U
04:42<Gekz>it worked.
04:42<jm_>pound and euro is pretty standard
04:43<Gekz>and without screen, it works
04:43<Gekz>but I had set UTF8 manually
04:43<jm_>is that screen on debian?
04:43<Gekz>so it had no excuse
04:43<Gekz>jm_: yes it is
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04:43<petern>i've never needed to use -U
04:43<jm_>same here, it just works based on locale
04:43<Gekz__>it loves you
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04:44<Gekz__>if I dont do screen -drU it doesnt reenable UTF8
04:44<Gekz__>that's so uncool
04:44<jm_>does it say UTF-8 without -U in ^ai?
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04:45<Gekz>this be brain hurting
04:46<petern>cat /etc/locale.gen
04:46<petern>en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
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04:46<Gekz>mine has en_AU.UTF-8 fr_FR.UTF-8 and de_DE.UTF-8
04:46<Gekz>it has no excuses
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04:48<Gekz>oh well
04:48<Gekz>at least it works somewhat now
04:48<Gekz>no matter how painful and ugrilly
04:49<petern>"cat /etc/locale.gen
04:49<petern>en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
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04:49<petern>"I want to send an e-mail to over 1000 recipients with an 800 Kb picture"
04:49<petern>should i just stab the guy now?
04:49<EmleyMoor>Unless he can offer you a good explanation
04:49<Gekz>my ctrl key is broke
04:50<Gekz>damn french keyboard layout
04:50<Gekz>screwing with my mind
04:50<simonrvn>petern: yes, please do. quickly.
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04:51<jm_>Gekz: are you using it in login mode?
04:51<simonrvn>Gekz: that reminds me of the time my kbs was screwed up with a french layout, but was a .ca CSA keyboard; luckily i remembered some of the layout so i was able to fix it. but man, does it ever screw your head haha
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04:52<Gekz>jm_: using what
04:52<Gekz>simonrvn: lol.
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04:54<jm_>Gekz: screen obviously
04:54<Gekz>jm_: I dont know
04:54<Gekz>and I cant remember how to tell
04:55<jm_>looks like someone has a similar problem: #407584
04:56<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
04:56<jm_>third URL (without #)
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04:57<Gekz>I assumed, considering URIs hate # symbols
04:57<simonrvn>querybts 407584
04:57<simonrvn># is used to mark an anchor that's why
04:58<simonrvn>er, go to an anchor, even
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04:58<Gekz>Jan 2007
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05:01<EmleyMoor>Does the Belkin F5D7010 work in Linux?
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05:03<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Yes. AFAIK, all four (five?) revisions are supported.
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05:07<EmleyMoor>Just bought one to overcome a problem getting my laptop's built-in wireless to work at my in-laws' in Windows, but if I can make it work in Linux too. even better
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05:15<freddy__>hi - i'm installing a perle serial card and get this from the documentation: For the 2.6 kernel, a configured kernel source tree with a set of makefile
05:15<freddy__> rules describing how modules are built is required. How do I find out if I have that ?
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05:16<petern>Gekz, not many comments on that report, not least that lots of people never need to specify -U :o
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05:34<jm_>freddy__: you need linux headers
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05:39<enouf>and build-essential (and module-assistant?)
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05:48<bcochofel>does anybody know a powerpoint converter to video?
05:48<jm_>bcochofel: you could record it with regular screencast apps
05:49<jm_>or: videoporama - application to make video of image slideshow
05:49<bcochofel>jm_: I need to convert using only console
05:49<bcochofel>jm_: don't have X
05:49<jm_>bcochofel: in that case fake X servers can be used
05:50<bcochofel>jm_: how come?
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05:51<jm_>bcochofel: what do you mean how come?
05:52<bcochofel>jm_: how can I fake X servers and what could I use to do the conversion?
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05:53<freddy__>jm_, like this : apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` -s
05:53<jm_>freddy__: yeah, but why -s?
05:53<jm_>bcochofel: now comes the hard part where I have to remember the package name ;)_
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05:54<freddy__>jm_, he he, just to make sure doing correct things
05:54<jm_>bcochofel: right, xvfb
05:54<sasi>hi can anyone tell me about how to change the gdm language while making a distro
05:55<jm_>sasi: no not anyone can
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05:55<enouf>!dbugs 407584
05:55<dpkg>#407584:W[screen] screen should assume -U if locale is a .UTF-8 (); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:18:14 UTC []
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05:56<bcochofel>jm_: ok, that gives me a DISPLAY env, right? so I can use it with GUI apps
05:56<freddy__>jm_, now linux-headers are installed. When calling make I get: make: cc: command not found ?
05:57<jm_>bcochofel: yeah, I would also check ppthtml and then combine it with videoporama if it's doable
05:57<jm_>!b-e freddy__
05:57<dpkg>freddy__: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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05:59<MotoHoss>my update-local-apt-mirrors script(deb-mirror) is failing last couple days attempting to sync to error msg(s) "dists/lenny/Contents-i386.gz failed 500 Can't connect to (connect: timeout)"
05:59<freddy__>jm_, sry have no idea what that means..
05:59<MotoHoss>any ideas on how to fix/resolve the problem?
06:00<enouf>MotoHoss: try http instead?
06:00<jm_>freddy__: apt-get install build-essential
06:01<MotoHoss>enouf: I was thinking about that but the "Contents-amd64.gz" section works just fine.
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06:02<freddy__>jm_, ok - thanks - now it works - thanks your help is appreciated!
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06:06<jm_>freddy__: no worries
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06:34<fly4l>someone here who could help me with a subdomain problem with bind9 or apache vhosts
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06:37<chahibi>My wifi on Debian doesn't work
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06:38<gsimmons>!tell chahibi -about doesn't work
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06:41<erenzone>apt-get install build-essential
06:42<erenzone>every body
06:42<mordy_>uh 'lo
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06:44<MotoHoss>enouf: I just saw the blurb about , me thinks that may be part of the problem... perhaps a temporary load spike on the mirror... (though it's been happening for a couple days...)
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06:45<erenzone>i'm not sure ,maybe this problem is so so
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06:47<squid>how to block ip from remote host?
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06:48<erenzone>Is there any Chinese in this room?
06:48<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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06:49<erenzone>stop the internet service
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06:50<squid>.tw is china?
06:50<mordy_>well, it's the "Republic of China"
06:51<mordy_>as opposed to .cn which is the "People's Republic of China"
06:51<squid>veryu good i like Chinese flash drives
06:51<erenzone>I agree with mordy_
06:51<gsimmons>chahibi: You'll need to more specific about your problem, if you're after support from this channel. Details regarding your device (eg. model/revision) and what you're attempting to do with it would assist.
06:51<squid>what now Max Gb on flash ? 32 or 64 or More?
06:52<jm_>squid: this isn't generic chat channel - some companies have announced much larger SSD drives
06:52<squid>io have 8 gb flash and want linux on it to boot into mem w/o hddd
06:52<chahibi>gsimmons, it is 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
06:52<jm_>you can install debian, or even better, see debian live project
06:53<chahibi>gsimmons, the b43 is installed and loeaded
06:53<chahibi>gsimmons, the b43 is installed and loaded
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06:53<chahibi>gsimmons, still the wifi led is orange (off)
06:53<squid>jm_ debian to boot from flash ? right?
06:53<jm_>squid: yes
06:54<gsimmons>chahibi: You'll also require firmware for that device. See for more information. Essentially, install the 'b43-fwcutter' package from contrib.
06:54<chahibi>gsimmons, it is installed too
06:55<EmleyMoor>Is the rtl8180 driver in lenny?
06:55<gsimmons>chahibi: Raise the interface (eg. ifconfig wlan0 up) and check dmesg.
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06:55<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Yes.
06:55<jm_>EmleyMoor: yes
06:56<chahibi>b43-fwcutter is already the newest version
06:56<chahibi>gsimmons, wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
06:56<EmleyMoor>Great - it will work with this wireless card according to some
06:57<EmleyMoor>(nothing wrong with the built in one in Linux - but it is only an 11b)
06:57<chahibi>gsimmons, I am using SID
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06:57<gsimmons>chahibi: Make sure you're referencing the correct device, use iwconfig with parameters to verify the interface name.
06:58<chahibi>gsimmons, iwconfig says there is no wireless extension
06:58<EmleyMoor>(quite honestly, if this were my laptop rather than work's I'd have scrapped it)
06:58<mordy_>also make sure there's an entry for the device in /etc/network/interfaces
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07:01<chahibi>gsimmons, how can I make sure the firmware was extracted?
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07:02<chahibi>gsimmons, [ 12.759994] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
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07:05<EmleyMoor>Are there wireless cards that don't need firmware on the system?
07:05<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Yes.
07:06<EmleyMoor>Is my new one one of them?
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07:06<gsimmons>chahibi: Subject to your confirmation, these are fetched and extracted upon installing the 'b43-fwcutter' package (see /lib/firmware/[b43|b43legacy]/ directories). But you should have an interface present regardless of their availability.
07:06<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Realtek? I believe so, haven't seen any that require a userspace firmware requirement.
07:07<EmleyMoor>It's a Belkin F5D7010v7 - will try it
07:07<chahibi>gsimmons, what can I do?
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07:08<gsimmons>chahibi: Any kill switch active? (/msg dpkg killswitch). Otherwise, provide your dmesg output at a pastebin.
07:09<chahibi>gsimmons, the key to toggle the wifi can not be changed
07:09<chahibi>gsimmons, it always remain off
07:10<chahibi>gsimmons, along with the other multimedia buttons
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07:11<alteoma>simonrvn: i am back with the fuse / kernel / lenny problem. i have added the devicemapper now i get the followin message after running truecrypt --mount ... Error: device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument
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07:17<casper>do these messages indicate somehow a broken vid card? [ fglrx ] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset: ff7300, size: 88000
07:17<gsimmons>chahibi: Your system is loading the ndiswrapper module. Have you previously installed NDIS drivers for your device's chipset? Are these still present?
07:17<casper>[ fglrx ] Reserved FB block: Shared offset: 0, size: 1000000
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07:18<chahibi>gsimmons, yes, they are
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07:18<chahibi>gsimmons, I am removing them
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07:19<chahibi>gsimmons, but I haven't installed any ndis drivers
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07:20<Scurz>I've problems with the DNS, when I put my DNS in /etc/resolv.conf, at each time, the DNS commes back to nameserver, why ?
07:20<jm_>Scurz: are you using DHCP?
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07:21<Scurz>yes, I do
07:21<Scurz>but with another computers thats users DHCP, there's no problem
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07:21<jm_>you can configure DHCP client to not touch resolv.conf, or to write predefined value
07:22<Scurz>how ? (for your first solution)
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07:25<casper>does anyone know how to fix my video card? i shut ubuntu 8.10 down before proper closing down
07:25<jm_>casper: ubuntu is supported elsewhere
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07:54<titan_around>hi, may i ask for some help?
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07:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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07:55<titan_around>LOL, thanks, so i don't know where to go, i have a problam refreshening the packages on my machine, it says times out
07:56<Maulkin>Sounds like is offline
07:56<titan_around>i know i could use other ftp or something :) but i think not i'm the only one who uses it
07:56<titan_around>so do you know who maintains the hungarian ftp?
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07:57<Maulkin>Not really, sorry. You could try emailing
07:57<titan_around>wow, thank you very much, i'll try it
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08:08<mixter>hi! we migrated our mailserver yesterday to new hardware. it's running etch with qmail (from sources) and pop, imap etc. today we experienced some problems. suddenly a lot of the smtp-daemons stopped accepting connection, imap-sessions were disconnected and we got an error from ntpd in syslog saying it couldn't connect to any servers. it seemed like a lot of the network traffic stopped for a few minutes (i could see other clients connecting meanwhil
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08:13<EmleyMoor>I wish I could do my work entirely on Linux
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08:18<Tengu>hi! just one question : how many years will Etch be supported ?
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08:18<stew>Tengu: one year after lenny is released
08:18<Tengu>koollman: finally, it was a problem with the OS... we splitted our DAS in some partitions, without lvm, just mounted in some directories.
08:18<Tengu>stew: thanks.
08:19<Tengu>and... when will Lenny be released ? :D
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08:19<koollman>Tengu: 'soon'. or, 'when it's ready'.
08:20<koollman>Tengu: if you are about to put in production some long-lived system, I would suggest strongly to use lenny
08:20<Tengu>koollman: hehe, ok. was about to think about it. but I heard it's freeze for debug/correction for 1-2 months, right ? so should be out in some months.
08:20<Tengu>koollman: oh, ok.
08:20<OdyX>Tengu: the plan is "release of debian-installer" + 2 weeks
08:21<Tengu>OdyX: ok.
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08:26<Garda>is anyone around?
08:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:27<Garda>lenny is at RC1
08:27<Garda>does that mean release is imminent?
08:27<stew>Tengu: lenny has been frozen since july
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08:27<stew>lenny will be released when it is free of rc bugs: /msg dpkg rc bugs
08:27<Tengu>thanks :)
08:28<stew>there is also currently a vote going on to decide if some of these rc bugs can be ignored:
08:28<Tengu>mmm.. is the removal of bnx2 firmware from the netinstall cd considered as a bug ?
08:28<stew>Tengu: no, it was done purposfully
08:29<Tengu>that's _really_ annoying.
08:29<stew>Tengu: that is part of the subject of this vote
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08:29<Tengu>so I'll vote if I can.
08:29<stew>Tengu: you can't
08:30<stew>only debian developers can
08:30<Tengu>hm... sounds like "users, just do as WE want, don't have a word"
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08:31<stew>Tengu: do you understand why the bnx2 firmware was removed?
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08:31<Tengu>stew: yeah. but I understand that it really sucks when you have "some" server to install...... and when they all need this firmware to work.
08:32<stew>Tengu: debian still provides the firmware in the firmware-bnx2 package, it just can't currently be included in debian
08:32<Tengu>have to create my own initrd to include this firmware, so that it can use a preseed, and automatically install all debian [including the activation of non-free part in apt]
08:33<Tengu>so, as there's few chances it will be back in lenny, I guess, I'll keep my script in a warm place. it fetch latest lenny initrd, patches it, and create my ISO...
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08:34<Tengu>-> don't propose netinstall if we can't install debian through it because of the lack of network support of one of the most common network card on dell poweredge servers...
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08:45<mixter>Tengu: stew: does this means that it will not be possible to install lenny on server with bnx2?
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08:46<mixter>Tengu: stew: we use ibm servers (have about 40-50 with debian etch), wich also use bnx2 as the network chipset, so this would be a major problem for us...
08:46<Tengu>mixter: seems like that.... here at work, I've created a simple bash script which will patch my initrd.
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08:47<mixter>Tengu: the initrd on the netinst-cd that is, or?
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08:47<Tengu>mixter: we have our own netinstall cd in fact.
08:48<mixter>Tengu: ok... we'll have to fix our own too then i guess :/
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08:48<Tengu>mixter: I'm affraid of that yeah. or maybe force bnx2 to be a free firmware :->
08:49<simke>io parlo italiano o serbo....!
08:49<stew>mixter: it means that in order to use the bnx2, you'll need to install a package from non-free, and this package would not be on any of the CDs
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08:50<stew>mixter: it would not prevent you from installing debian unless you need the bnx2 network card to be active during the install, and you couldn't load the firmware from some other media, such as a usb drive
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08:50<Tengu>stew: and ermmm.. without network, how do you install this package, if it's not on any cd.... ?
08:50<mixter>stew: hmm... ok... that makes it a little harder since we mostly use netinst-cd's today. but i'll guess we'll find a way around it. would it be possible to load the package from usb during the install?
08:51<Tengu>that's a nice question.
08:51<Tengu>mixter: have to put the firmware on the right place, but yeah, you can.
08:51<Tengu>mixter: and then load kernel module [or unload/reload], and that's it.
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08:51<Tengu>I prefere patching initrd.... faster method.
08:52<Tengu>and doesn't need any human intervention.
08:52<stew>Tengu: you put it on cd, or a floppy or a usb thumbdrive
08:52<stew>mixter: yes it is possible to load them from usb during the install
08:52<Tengu>stew: it's included in our initrd...
08:54<mixter>stew: that would be a decent workaround then... to load from usb during install that is
08:55<Tengu>speed way to create a bnx2-compatible netinst-cd
08:55<mixter>Tengu: stew: do you know what would happend during an upgrade from etch to lenny? would one have to include no-free to apt sources before upgrading?
08:55<mixter>Tengu: thanks! i'll look at that!
08:55<Tengu>mixter: shouldn't be too nasty. BUT keep in mind you HAVE to activate non-free debian repository.
08:56<Tengu>mixter: my preseed do that, when we install Lenny : activate non-free, apt-get update, then install bnx2 firmware package.
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08:56<mixter>Tengu: stew: thanks to both of you! always good to know things like this a little in advance! :-)
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08:56<Tengu>mixter: I crashed my nose on this problem 1 month ago :D
08:57<Tengu>mixter: and decided to create my own initrd... my colleagues wanted me to open the server, put a third NIC in it, install lenny, then remove this third NIC....
08:57<Tengu>so much lost time... my script was made in 5 minutes :D
08:58<mixter>Tengu: oh! that sounds like another way of doing it... ;-)
08:58<mixter>Tengu: a simple script feels a little easier :-)
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09:00<stew>mixter: in upgrading from etch to lenny you'd need to install the firmware-bnx2 package from non-free when you upgrade the kernel
09:00<mixter>stew: ok! thanks... i'll try to remember that.
09:03<Tengu>mixter: that's what I gave you. it was cut, but you can reuse it. you just have the "get the initrd, patch it" :->
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09:07<mixter>Tengu: i saved that unit lenny is released. will look into it more later. thanks again!
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09:12<Tengu>mixter: np ;)
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09:28<avtobiff>hi. i have a soundblaster audigy se, which have worked on a debian lenny install (the digital out). but suddenly it stopped working. we then tried the card on a windows box (sigh) and the digital out worked there. what can i do to debug and fix this?
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09:32<Tengu>avtobiff: maybe check if you have the correct modules loaded... there are some for usb audio devices [I guess this audigy is an external card, right ? ]
09:32<dr|z3d>Anyway to easily blow away my current (borked) alsa configs? I see at boot-time that they're loading, and the result is no sound.
09:34<avtobiff>Tengu, the correct modules are loaded (snd_ca0106) and it is an internal card
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09:35<sheldonh>hmmm... any "no, that's horrible stuff" in response to the suggestion to migrate from proftpd to pureftpd? (whole architecture built around vroot feature not available in vsftpd)
09:35<MotoHoss>ok ready for the setup , which web streaming sw is the most stable/reliable (did I mention I am using debian?)
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09:38<avtobiff>MotoHoss, web streaming? netcat?
09:38<avtobiff>it is pretty good
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09:38<MotoHoss>yep web streaming.
09:39<avtobiff>streaming what?
09:39<Tengu>avtobiff: and... it's not muted ? :D
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09:39<avtobiff>Tengu, no.
09:39<avtobiff>Tengu, it is not muted.
09:39<avtobiff>Tengu, :)
09:39<avtobiff>Tengu, the strange thing is that it has worked. then suddenly the next day it stopped
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09:40<MotoHoss>avtobiff: webcam for tech-support
09:40<U-boot92>hello everuone
09:40<avtobiff>and the only thing that we changed was that we turned on the computer and then turned it on again
09:40<Tengu>avtobiff: kernel upgrade ?
09:40<avtobiff>MotoHoss, ekiga maybe
09:40<avtobiff>Tengu, no upgrade what so ever.
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09:40<Tengu>mm. strange.
09:40<U-boot92>I wrote several days in the channel with a problem with iceweasel 3 a-a
09:40<U-boot92>I tried konqueror,
09:40<U-boot92>it was nice
09:41<U-boot92>but did not render some pages properly
09:41<MotoHoss>ekiga? naah I want the remote user to be able to view a protected url even when I am not here...
09:41<Tengu>MotoHoss: vlc ?
09:41<U-boot92>does anyone know how to disable anti-aliasing in iceweasel3 /
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09:42<Tengu>U-boot92: isn't it a font choice ?
09:42<avtobiff>Tengu, indeed
09:42<MotoHoss>I'll start doing some more definitive reading. I am a total dweeb when it comes to multimedia...
09:42<U-boot92>the problem is not only with fonts.. images too
09:43<U-boot92>Tengu, kde options won't do
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09:43<U-boot92>this is something with the weasel...
09:44<Tengu>U-boot92: mmm, default fonts in firefox/iceweasel
09:44<U-boot92>I have set the default font in iceweasel Bookman Old
09:44<Tengu>MotoHoss: -> read about vlc and streaming.
09:45<U-boot92>*Bookman L
09:45<Tengu>is it an antialiased font ?
09:45<MotoHoss>Tengu: will do.
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09:46<Tengu>MotoHoss: and maybe mplayer/mencoder can do that too.
09:46<Tengu>s/maybe/I guess/
09:46<Tengu>I meant : MotoHoss: and I guess mplayer/mencoder can do that too.
09:46<U-boot92>it is
09:46<U-boot92>if it I set in not to be
09:46<U-boot92>that won't help
09:47<U-boot92>if I go to kde control center and disable a-a fonts
09:47<MotoHoss>that helps. thanks ...
09:47<U-boot92>that won't work
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09:49<U-boot92>so no-one has a clue
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10:11<untitled>I am using ubuntu 8.10 and xchat 2.8.6, common one, not gnome, and kde4.1.3, xchat icon in the tray is surrounded by a white box, can i get rid of it?
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10:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:12<Bushmills>untitled: why would you think a debian channel knows about your ubuntu problem?Ü
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10:13<untitled>may because: "Ubuntu is based on Debian"
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10:14<untitled>and in my case it uses the same software..
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10:15<Bushmills>ask your coal cellar then, because humans are based on carbon,
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10:16<craigevil>the lump of coal i received in my stocking last christmas refuses to answer any questions about Debian
10:16<Bushmills>could be the lump didn't know?
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10:18<skule>And I thought ubuntu was just yet another debian distribution
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10:20<amphi>skule: I believe it was once little more than a sid snapshot, but it has mutated
10:20<Bushmills>skule: we had the case already that ubuntu users, asking here, ended up with unbootable systems, because they used debian answers without reflecting that they might not work for ubuntu
10:20<craigevil>skule: if it was it would use debian repos, like sidux, knoppix and all the other debian based distros
10:21<dr|z3d>skule: If you want to see for yourself, try supplying debian repositories in Ubuntu and updating your system :)
10:21<dr|z3d>skule: Hint. Don't bother, unless you want a totally borked system ;)
10:22<skule>hehe I see
10:22<Bushmills>dr|z3d: speaking from experience, iirc
10:22*dr|z3d knows, me tried.
10:23<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Your memory serves you right.
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10:24<Bushmills>dr|z3d: at least you did that yourself, not by blindly following advice from the channel.
10:24<Solver>yeah that would break an Ubuntu install rather well
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10:37<sheldonh>no ipv6 support in ddclient? :(
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10:37<simonrvn>none AFAIK
10:38<dr|z3d>Any way to easily blow away my current (borked) alsa configs? I see at boot-time that they're loading, and the result is no sound.
10:38<sheldonh>sadness abounds
10:38<sheldonh>on to the next one :)
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10:50<dr|z3d>No one have a clue about resetting alsa to default?
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10:51<cahoot>dr|z3d: what do you mean?
10:51<marija>vac men
10:51<cahoot>resetting what device alsa sees as default?
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10:51<dr|z3d>cahoot: alsa's loading custom configs at boot-time which render my system soundless. I want to nuke those settings and restore the defaults.
10:51<marija>alaviju bejbi
10:52<dr|z3d>marija: English, please.
10:52<cahoot>dr|z3d: remove ~/.asoundrc*
10:52<marija>aj du
10:52<dr|z3d>cahoot: Thanks, will try.
10:52<marija>od dakle si
10:52<EmleyMoor>Doesn't look like it
10:53<dpkg>hmm... mk is Macedonia
10:53<marija>i jasa iz makedonniju
10:53<amphi>we know ;)
10:54<dr|z3d>marija: English, please.
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10:55<dr|z3d>Somehow I get the impression marija isn't looking for debian support.
10:55<marija>dali razumes srpski
10:55<dpkg>sound blaster is probably a family of sound cards produced by Creative Technology (aka Creative Labs). Ask me about <sblive>, <sblivedell>, <extigy>, <x-fi>, <sblive spdif>, <sblive install>,
10:56<dr|z3d>dobre. Now, English, please, marija.
10:56<marija>sega kad se nalazis
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10:57<mordy_>what do i do about this? - i'm getting it when trying to run X from a chrooted system -
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10:58<mordy_>i get this even when trying something like startx :1
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11:16<And1>I'm looking for a regexp, which gives me the content of /etc/debian_version - e.g. "lenny/sid" - without the newline character... any ideas?
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11:18<[machine]>and1: chomp($string)
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11:26<And1>[machine]: Hmm, how do I use that, that's not a regexp, mh?
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11:29<[machine]>and1: you have the contents of /etc/debian_version in a variable?
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11:30<[machine]>and1: chomp simply removes the trailing \n from the variable $string
11:30<And1>[machine]: Mh, no, don't have a variable.
11:30<[machine]>and1: perldoc -f chomp from the command line for more information
11:30<[machine]>and1: ah, you haven't read the file?
11:31<And1>[machine]: Huh, which file?
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11:33<[machine]>and1: /etc/debian_version presumably
11:33<And1>[machine]: Yeah, there's "lenny/sid" in it.
11:34<[machine]>yeh, so do you know the perl to open the file and read it?
11:34<[machine]>s/perl/any language/g
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11:35<And1>I have this line in a perl-script. "push @distros, ["Debian", "/etc/debian_version", "(.*?)"];"
11:35<@weasel>so you push an array refernce onto an array?
11:36*[machine] sigh
11:37<And1>Guys I'm sorry, I have no idea, I'm just trying to edit that script/searching an regexp which prints the content of the file without \n. =)
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11:37<[machine]>okay, something like open($filehandle, "</etc/debian_version"); $debian_version = <$filehandle>; close($filehandle); chomp($debian_version);
11:38<[machine]>at that stage $debian_version will hold whatever is in the file (minus any trailing \n)
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11:39<And1>Ah ok, thanks. :)
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11:56<Zalewa>Can anyone tell me where X saves cfg of currently selected resolution/depth?
11:57<cahoot>unless autotdetected it's defined in /ec/X11/xorg.conf
11:57<simonrvn>conf is in /etc/X11 ... if it's not in the xorg.conf then it's determined automagically
11:57<Zalewa>xorg.conf contains info about available resolutions but not about the current one
11:57<Zalewa>I just set it to 1600x1200 and now X won't start...
11:57<fxiny>read x log
11:57<simonrvn>check the log
11:58<Zalewa>log says "loading lot's of .so"
11:58<Zalewa>and then "no screen found"
11:58<simonrvn>look for (EE)
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12:00<FTF3k3>Do you know why a "crontab -l" being root returns me "no crontab for root" ?
12:00<cdlu>because root has no crontabs
12:00<cdlu>crontab rather
12:00<FTF3k3>But it has cron jobs, non ?
12:01<cdlu>if you do 'crontab -e'
12:01<cdlu>does it give you a blank file?
12:01<FTF3k3>I saw lots in /etc/cron.* directories
12:01<FTF3k3>Yes it is blank
12:01<cdlu>those don't belong to root
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12:01<Zalewa>"open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory"
12:01<cdlu>if it's blank, you have no crontab
12:01<simonrvn>FTF3k3: that's not root's crontab
12:01<Zalewa>then it says fatal error and no screens found
12:01<simonrvn>Zalewa: using fb console?
12:01<simonrvn>(problably not ;)
12:02<Hydroxide>FTF3k3: crontab -l only shows the ones that are set up with the crontab command and stored in /var/spool/cron
12:02<FTF3k3>This jobs belong to whom ?
12:02<Hydroxide>cdlu: wow, you're in #debian. hi :)
12:02<FTF3k3>My user crontab is empty too
12:02<fxiny>mine is not
12:02<Hydroxide>FTF3k3: stuff in /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.hourly, and the like run as root
12:02<cdlu>hydroxide, heh. I've been in #debian (on opn, then here) since 1999, tyvm. :)
12:02<fxiny>feel free to use it :)
12:02<Hydroxide>FTF3k3: except /etc/cron.d/* and /etc/crontab where every entry specifies the user it runs as
12:02<Hydroxide>(I think)
12:03<Hydroxide>cdlu: well, I've never heard you say anything here, especially in a helping-out sense.
12:03<cdlu>1998 actually
12:04<FTF3k3>Thanks Hydroxide
12:05<Zalewa>Ok, fuck this.
12:05<Zalewa>I'm installing Vista
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12:05<simonrvn>Hydroxide: yes, system-wide crontab has a user, the others /etc/cron.* are scripts ;)
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12:09<fxiny>root is a user so has a crontab like any user
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12:11<FTF3k3>By default it is empty, that's what I found weird
12:12<fxiny>why ? is correct
12:12<FTF3k3>Yes, that's what Hydroxide explained
12:13<Hydroxide>simonrvn: the files in /etc/cron.d/ also have a user in addition to systemwide crontab (/etc/crontab)
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12:14<FTF3k3>Cron has a job to launch anacron am I right ?
12:14<Hydroxide>simonrvn: but yes, the ones in /etc/cron.??* (more than one character after the period) are scripts run on the schedule specific to each directory
12:14<simonrvn>doh! of course
12:14<Hydroxide>FTF3k3: yep. /etc/cron.d/anacron
12:14<indu>hi there how do I write a file in a directory that is owned by a group I am in but that is not my main group?
12:14<FTF3k3>So why is there a script in /etc/init.d to run it ?
12:15<FTF3k3>I saw that with sysv-rc-conf
12:15<FTF3k3>A cron job is not enough ?
12:15<Hydroxide>FTF3k3: the one in /etc/cron.d/ just runs the init.d script
12:15<Hydroxide>FTF3k3: in other words, it runs once at startup and then periodically while it's up
12:15<FTF3k3>Ok, get it :)
12:16<Hydroxide>(apparently at 7:30 AM local time each morning)
12:16<indu>was my question obscure?
12:16<Hydroxide>(by default)
12:16<fxiny>FTF3k3: i think you want /etc/crontab
12:16<fxiny>just huessing
12:17<fxiny>amphi: hey
12:17<amphi>another e-thug ;)
12:17<FTF3k3>Indu, I guess you have to set the file permissions and allow group write
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12:17<indu>I am in group a
12:17<fxiny>amphi: have you noticed ? this year even the sun will *wait* for the decision : good omen for the 21st vote ...
12:18<indu>but my main group is b
12:18<indu>if the directory is owned by a 770
12:18<indu>I can't write to it
12:18<FTF3k3>Yes you can
12:18<indu>cos my bash or watherver process has me.a permissimo
12:18<FTF3k3>If your in the owner group I guess
12:19<indu>I am but my bash is not running with that process
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12:20<FTF3k3>Strange, sorry I cannot tell you more
12:20<stew>indu: does "groups" list a?
12:21<indu>stew: I need to relogin
12:21<indu>I needed to relogin
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12:21<stew>indu: yeah, adding a user to a gruop won't affect already running processes
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12:24<indu>stew: FTF3k3 sorry
12:24<indu>my fault
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12:29<vonsp>how can i fix this problem: gnome volume applet refuses to show mixer, but rhythmbox plays sound and alsamixer works as well ? it says something about missing gstreamer or audio mixers. gstreamer is installed, but i have no clue about package with such mixers. can anyone suggest any ?
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12:33<metalqga>try setting the volume with alsamixer in terminal
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12:38<loner>hello. I've jsut installed debian etch with DVDs. However I can't access the internet. If I type lspci, it detects my ethernet card but I'm unable to configure my network :/
12:38<amphi>loner: does ifconfig -a show the interface?
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12:39<damiano>how are you all?
12:40<loner>amphi, it shows "eth0" and "lo" (I'm on another computer)
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12:40<Halitech>loner, if you do dhclient eth0 what happens?
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12:41<loner>Halitech, it keeps sending DHCPDISCOVER but there isn't any response
12:42<Halitech>loner, I know this is something obvious but have you checked the cable to make sure it is plugged in on both ends? also, is the router set to give IPs?
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12:42<loner>Halitech, yes
12:43<Halitech>loner, what kind of card do you have?
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12:43<loner>Halitech, "Agere Systems ET-131X PCI-E Ethernet Controller (rev 02)
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12:44<gsimmons>loner: That device isn't supported in Etch's 2.6.18 or 2.6.24 kernels.
12:44<dpkg>hmm... et131x is the driver for the Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet controller ( To install driver for Debian stock kernels in Lenny: "aptitude install et131x-modules-`uname -r` && modprobe et131x". Etch users: Install a 2.6.24 kernel image (ask me about <etchnhalf>) prior to compiling et131x 1.2.3-3 or SVN sources.
12:44<vonsp>metalqga, i said that alsamixer works )
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12:44<gsimmons>loner: Sorry, not by "default", anyway.
12:45<loner>Halitech, the cable works fine on Windows but not in linux
12:45<vonsp>it is only gnome volume applet problemm, but i don't know how to fix that
12:45<loner>gsimmons, then I need to install a newer kernel?
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12:46<gsimmons>loner: With respect to Etch, yes. See dpkg's message above.
12:47<metalqga>vonsp great! :D
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12:48<Halitech>loner, try this sudo modprobe -r et131x and then sudo modprobe et131x in the terminal
12:49<loner>Halitech, I don't have an internet connection. I'm typing from another computer
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12:51<FTF3k3>Since I changed my motherboard, eth0 don't exist anymore and has been replaced by eth1.
12:51<FTF3k3>Do you know why ? How can I change that ?
12:52<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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12:52<loner>!2.6.24 kernel image
12:53<FTF3k3>And you know how it chooses interface's name ?
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12:54<FTF3k3>Ok, my former Ethernet card is still in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
12:54<Halitech>loner, I understand that, do it on the system thats not connecting :)
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12:55<loner>Halitech, I'm using Ubuntu on this computer. Will I get any problems with that?
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12:56<Halitech>loner, Ubuntu is based on Debian so *most* commands are the same
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12:56<Halitech>loner, the one that doesnt work, is it debian or ubuntu?
12:56<loner>Halitech, it's done. but there was no outpout
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12:56<loner>Halitech, debian
12:57<mutante>uhm, just a quick reminder please, where would i tell the system to execute dhclient eth0 automatically during / after boot
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12:57<Halitech>loner, ok, no output is good, means no errors running the commands. try checking the ip again
12:57<cahoot>mutante: man interfaces
12:57<Halitech>mutante, /etc/network/interfaces
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12:58<chealer>gsimmons: et131x doesn't seem to be in linux-2.6.24. is it?
12:58<loner>Halitech, dhcpcliente eth0?
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12:58<gsimmons>chealer: It's not.
12:58<loner><Halitech> loner, ok, no output is good, means no errors running the commands. try checking the ip again
12:58<Halitech>loner, dhclient eth0
12:58<fxiny>could it be on a 2.6.26 bpo kernel ?
12:58<FTF3k3>Could somebody paste his
12:59<FTF3k3> /etc/network/interfaces, by the way
12:59<chealer>gsimmons: oh
12:59<Halitech>loner, I think gsimmons just gave us an answer
12:59<gsimmons>I only mention a dependency of the 2.6.24 kernel in order to compile the et131x driver.
12:59<chealer>fxiny: presumably not, because it's not in vanilla 2.6.26
13:00<chealer>gsimmons: yeah, I misinterpreted that
13:00<fxiny>chealer: ok
13:00<loner>Halitech, for that I need to install a newer kernel right?
13:00<Halitech>loner, I would say so
13:00<mutante>well, i already was in /etc/network/interfaces, i was just wondering why it says "auto eth0-home" there, and i dont have any eth0-home, but just the regular eth0
13:00<cahoot>edit it?
13:00<loner>Halitech, would you guide me? :)
13:01<mutante>cahoot: sure, just wondering where the "-home" came from
13:01<Halitech>loner, would be the blind leading the blind my friend :)
13:01<loner>I've tried that before however due to dependancy problems I couldn't isnstall the deb package
13:01<cahoot>someone on your system
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13:02<chealer>could "Etch users: Install a 2.6.24 kernel image (ask me about <etchnhalf>) and then compile et131x 1.2.3-3 or SVN sources." be clearer?
13:03<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
13:04<chealer>Where is et131x 1.2.3-3?
13:04<gsimmons>chealer: Sure, feel free to revise. I had thought the would "compile" would be somewhat of a clue, though.
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13:05<loner> <--- No searches found :|
13:05<chealer>gsimmons: I thought the sentence meant that 2.6.24 has support for the card, so that people should try 2.6.24 before compiling et131x
13:05<gsimmons>loner: You'd want to use "linux-image-2.6.24" as the keyword.
13:05<dpalacio>loner: linux-image-2.6.24
13:06<loner>my bad
13:07<gsimmons>chealer: Understandable. I'll make this more explicit in the factoid.
13:07<sylar>I want to know what processes use my network
13:07<sylar>is there some htop for network bandwidth?
13:07<fxiny>chealer: found this one > eth16i.ko
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13:08<loner>Should I download the dependancies as well?
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13:09<OdyX>loner: just choose it in your package manager...
13:09<loner>Odyx, I don't have an internet connection in the laptop I want to install it :)
13:10<OdyX>OKay… sorry
13:10<chealer>fxiny: that talks about ICL EtherTeam cards
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13:11<fxiny>chealer: is not in 2.6.26 bpo kernel , as yous said
13:13<chealer>gsimmons: thanks. also, is the old version (-3) needed?
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13:15<loner>this is ridiculous. I need to manually install all the dependencies packages for me to get the kernel 2-6.24 linux image?
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13:16<dpkg>somebody said et131x was the driver for the Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet controller. Not included in mainline or Debian kernel images. Lenny users: "aptitude install et131x-modules-`uname -r` && modprobe et131x". Etch users: Install a 2.6.24 kernel image (ask me about <etchnhalf>), then acquire driver sources from and compile/install, then modprobe et131x.
13:16<stew>loner: why not just something like "aptidue install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686"
13:16<loner>stew, I don't have an internet connection in the laptop I want to install it :)
13:16<gsimmons>chealer: I thought -3 was the latest. But any version available appears to compile cleanly on 2.6.24.
13:16<stew>loner: have a look at the apt-zip package then
13:17<chealer>loner: not necessarily. you only need to make sure they're all installed.
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13:17<stew>loner: apt-zip is a package that would help automate the downloading of all the packages you needed from another computer
13:17<fxiny>loner: what dependencies ? is just one package
13:18<stew>judd: depends linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
13:18<judd>stew: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 -- Depends: module-init-tools, initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | yaird (>= 0.0.12-8) | linux-initramfs-tool
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13:18<stew>yeah, just module-init-tools and initramfs-tools, both of which he should already have
13:18<fxiny>loner: this is my record : 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. > Inst linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6
13:19<fxiny>on my etch
13:20<loner>frxiny, I'm going to download the package of the kernel then I'll show you what happens
13:21<chahibi>fxiny, خ?
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13:22<chealer>gsimmons: yeah, I never saw such versioning. and why not suggesting to compile from lenny's et131x-source?
13:23<fxiny>chahibi: mrxvt/screen/irssi matrioska here , no utf8 : can't read it . what's that ?
13:23<loner>fxiny, the instalation was successful
13:23*loner is an idiot
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13:24<gsimmons>chealer: Ah yes. I'll uh, test this and revise it again.
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13:25<chahibi>fxiny, nevermind, it is a bug in XChat
13:26<fxiny>loner: btw : why not just installing lenny ?
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13:26<fxiny>chahibi: time to join the cult (read irssi) :)
13:27<loner>fxiny, I'm not in the mood to download and install lenny. I prefer configuring my ethernet card in etch then upgrade to lenny
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13:28<fxiny>loner: lenny runs 2.6.26 . if i'm not wrong you gonna do it all again
13:29<fxiny>and the solstice will tell us (users) more ;)
13:30<loner>fxiny, yes I know. But still I rather do this way instead :)
13:30<enouf>fxiny: there's a etch-backports .26
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13:31<fxiny>enouf: that's what i'm running right now , but as chealer said (and i have double checked it) no driver for looner ;)
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13:31<enouf>oh .. looks like he already got a lot of help
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13:35<fxiny>enouf : i've checked etch point release 4.0r6 ugrade on a 2.6.26 to see if xmms2 still breaks . no more core dumps , it played some tracks . i'll see after a reboot
13:36<fxiny>i'll leave xmms2 gonzo version soon ;)
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13:36<fxiny>btw , another great job this point relase : perfect
13:37<enouf>fxiny: what OS are you running, Windows? :-P
13:37<loner>fxiny, now I must compile the et131x driver?
13:37<gsimmons>loner: Yes.
13:37<fxiny>enouf: wt4x ! i though we were *good* friends !
13:38<dpkg>from memory, et131x is the driver for the Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet controller. Not included in mainline or Debian kernel images. Lenny users: "aptitude install et131x-modules-`uname -r` && modprobe et131x". Etch users: Install a 2.6.24 kernel image (ask me about <etchnhalf>), then ask me about <et131x etch>.
13:38<chealer>!et131x etch
13:38<dpkg>"aptitude install build-essential module-assistant debhelper". Manually acquire 'et131x-source' from lenny (, then: "dpkg -i /path/to/et131x-source*deb". Build and install 'et131x-modules-*' package: "m-a prepare && m-a a-i et131x && modprobe et131x".
13:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
13:39<KiDFlaSh>!lenny status
13:39<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>., or
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13:40<chealer>!beer gsimmons
13:40*dpkg deftly decants a fine Guinness for gsimmons
13:40<gsimmons>chealer: Cheers.
13:40<dr|z3d>Guinness, no less. My my.
13:40*dr|z3d chuckles.
13:41<gsimmons>loner: Add "quilt" to that list of packages to be installed via aptitude, too.
13:41<dr|z3d>Technically a stout not a beer, but still ;)
13:41<chealer>gsimmons: I'm sorry, I have no keg here.
13:41<stew>dr|z3d: why not?
13:41<fxiny>enouf: i've done postfix confs today : f* ipv6 syntax ! > [::ffff:]/104 [::1]/128
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13:42<dr|z3d>stew: Some consider beer (ale) and stout separate drinks. Different brewing process, for starters.
13:42<dr|z3d>Well, different component ingredients.
13:42<stew>dr|z3d: no, stout is an ale that is top fermented like (practically) all other ales, and its the exact same brewing process
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13:43<loner>gsimmons, quilt build-essential and module-assistant helper?
13:43<stew>dr|z3d: and lager is beer but is not ale
13:43<dr|z3d>A stout uses toasted hops. That makes it different to normal ales.
13:43<fxiny>enouf: but luckily lenny postfix can run etch confs , still i'm puzzled how it generated that ipv6 line . reconfiguring gave me no clues
13:43<stew>dr|z3d: no, it doesn't, some of the barley is roasted, but that can be true of other ales and lagers
13:44<gsimmons>loner: s/helper/debhelper/ , but that looks right.
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13:44<fxiny>i think it just ignores it cause i set it not to "all or ipv6" but to ipv4
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13:45<dr|z3d>stew: stouts and porters are not ale. That's my view, anyways. We might have to agree to differ :)
13:45<Guest161>can some please tell me where is the sldap database, i want to delete it
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13:46<chealer>!start a beer war
13:46*dpkg removes the guinness taps and starts spraying Black Label everywhere
13:46<stew>dr|z3d: they are ale's becuaes they are top fermented as opposed to lagers which are bottom fermented. and trust me they are made using the same process, so far this year i've brewed about 10 gallons of stout 5 of porter and 20 of other assorted ales
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13:46*dr|z3d laughs.
13:46<chealer>hummm...Black cheaeaeap...
13:46<enouf>dr|z3d: vodka ..and say scotch are distilled and made from entirely differently methods, but yet, they are both liquors ;-)
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13:46<fxiny>a beer war ? cant't be : beer adds happiness
13:47<amphi>'spaten optimator' must be one of the most delightful names for beer
13:47<KiDFlaSh>how can i see which version is running?
13:47<KiDFlaSh>in the shell
13:48<amphi>version of what?
13:48<fxiny>i started with heineken
13:48<amphi>!pity fxiny
13:48<dpkg>I pity da fool fxiny!
13:49*loner brb
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13:49<KiDFlaSh>version of debian
13:49<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
13:50<KiDFlaSh>is lenny already released?
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13:51<dvd>hi, i have a brand new thinkpad sl500 with an intel 4500 graphics and i'm running lenny beta 2 on it the current version of the xserver-xorg-video-intel does not support my video but it is supposed to be supported by version 2.4.2. any idea how to get a later version working or when the repo version will upgrade?
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13:51<chealer>KiDFlaSh: no, but it's relatively close, and there are technical issues, that mean some time before the release testing users get the impression they're running the next stable release from looking at debian_version.
13:51<fxiny>amphi : pity a 4x ! i was in amsterdam and i can tell you that heineken was f* good !
13:52<enouf>judd: versions xorg
13:52<judd>enouf: xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.3+18 experimental: 1:7.4~4
13:52<enouf>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
13:52<judd>enouf: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 sid: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 experimental: 2:2.5.1-1
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13:53<fxiny>amphi: you see ? i can't forget my first beer :P
13:53<enouf>fxiny: ;-)
13:54<fxiny>enouf: ;)
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13:55<fxiny>enouf: look up
13:55<enouf>fxiny: partly sunny
13:56<dr|z3d>heineken is a bland euro brew. Nothing special.
13:57<dr|z3d>If you want special, look to the Belgians, not the Dutch ;)
13:57<KiDFlaSh>chealer, when lenny becomes stable, will there be a new testing?
13:57<stew>KiDFlaSh: yes, named 'squeeze'
13:57<enouf>!start a war between southern trailer-park trash and eurotrash
13:57<KiDFlaSh>and whats aboud sid?
13:57*dr|z3d laughs.
13:57<stew>KiDFlaSh: sid is always 'unstable'
13:58<KiDFlaSh>squeeze will, be 6.0?
13:58<KiDFlaSh>in the future
13:58<stew>KiDFlaSh: the version number for squeeze has not yet been determined
13:58<KiDFlaSh>but its logical that the number will be 6.0 or?
13:59<stew>or 5.1
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13:59<KiDFlaSh>hmm. good point
13:59<stew>at the whim of the release team
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14:02<KiDFlaSh>will squeeze be, harder to use, at the beginning?
14:03<KiDFlaSh>because i have lenny now, but it feels like a stable version
14:03<fxiny>dr|z3d: i remember heineken yeahh , and my first electric soup ;P
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14:03<KiDFlaSh>no problems
14:03<dr|z3d>fxiny: Ever tried Leffe? Now *there's* a decent eurobrew :)
14:04<stew>KiDFlaSh: when a testing release is first created, it gets a flood of new packages as all the packages that have been held out of testing because of the freeze start flooding in, which is usually quite a rough period for testing
14:04<KiDFlaSh>ok i understand
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14:05<KiDFlaSh>should i update then to testing? because im not very skilled, but i try to learn, maybe its a good expierience
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14:05<stew>KiDFlaSh: you already have testing
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14:06<KiDFlaSh>so lenny becomes automaticly, squeeze?
14:06<fxiny>dr|z3d: nope , i am very ignorant about beer . i like it cause it makes me happy .
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14:06<KiDFlaSh>after its stable
14:06<stew>KiDFlaSh: no, lenny becomes stable, testing becomes squeeze
14:07<KiDFlaSh>ahh ok
14:07<KiDFlaSh>so my system will be squeeze
14:07<dr|z3d>fxiny: Leffe Blonde. 6.4%. Formerly made by monks. Top gear!
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14:07<stew>KiDFlaSh: if you have "lenny" in your sources.list you will stay with lenny when it releases, if you have "testing" in your sources.list, you will be on squeeze after lenny releases
14:07<KiDFlaSh>i understand
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14:09<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
14:09<stew>KiDFlaSh: you can /msg the bot
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14:10<fxiny>dr|z3d: i learned the basic : how not to get drunk drinking from 12 on sunday all way to the bell . the IO stream . ahhh lovely : that's what makes beer unique ;)
14:10<KiDFlaSh>stew: its ok if i change the word lenny, in testing?
14:10<KiDFlaSh>everything will still work?
14:11<stew>KiDFlaSh: yes, it won't make a difference until lenny releases
14:12<KiDFlaSh>now its like this:
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14:15<sylar>how do i monitor network bandwidth usage by process?
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14:16<sankalp>anyone please help me in making debian package from python file
14:19<sylar>my bandwwidthis 90% according to gnome-system-monitor
14:19<kristianpaul>sankalp: check #debian-mentors
14:19<KiDFlaSh>stew: its ok now?
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14:21<amphi>fxiny: ;)
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14:23<stew>KiDFlaSh: i don't know about debian-multimedia, but the rest is correct. "aptitude update" will complain if debian-multimedia doens't work that way
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14:33<nouge>entre os amigos online tem alguem que pode me informar com se localiza virus no linux...e como se proteger
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14:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:33<dvd>nouge: clamav
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14:36<dvd>it moght be a silly question but how can i add the experimental repository... i tried just adding the word 'experimental' to the line before main, contrib and so on but it didn't work
14:38<sylar>I am trying to run ntop and each time it complains that it can't create some file or dir at /var/lib/ntop
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14:43<dpkg><greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes.
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14:44<dvd>can you tell me how to install xserver from experimental
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14:46<rik_>dvd: add experimental to your sources.list file and aptitude -t experimental install xserver-xorg ?
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14:46<rik_>haven't tested this though
14:47<dvd>rik_: testing it now
14:47<dvd>rik_: :)
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14:49<dvd>rik_: aptitude -t or aptitude install -t (i use apt-get usually)
14:49<rik_>dvd: apt-get -t experimental should also work
14:50<dvd>rik_: but doesn't solve dependency problems?
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14:51<rik_>apt-get should also solve dependency problems
14:52<rik_>might use a different logic
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14:54<dvd>rik_: well i messed it all up and i'm waiting proudly for the result ;)
14:55<rik_>ouch, /me ducks
14:56<dvd>rik_: doesn't seem to work... downloading from lenny repo not experimental :-|
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14:57<rik_>what does apt-cache policy xserver-xorg say?
14:57<rik_>did you do an apt-get update ?
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15:00<dvd>rik_:it seems that i hadn't (:-|) well now it works (or looks like it does :) )
15:01<bremner>is iceweasel 3.0.4-1 (lenny) borken for others on amd64? It won't start at all for me. ltrace:
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15:04<U-boot92>hello, I have got a probably stupid q : I have envoked reportbug through a terminal and I have reaceh the point where I have written the report.
15:04<dvd>bremner: did earlier 3.x work?
15:05<U-boot92>How do I send it
15:05<chealer>bremner: did you check the BTS?
15:05<bremner>dvd: first install on this machine
15:06<bremner>chealer: BTS for iceweasel is depressing. But yes, I checked it. Nothing jumped out at me.
15:06<dvd>bremner: first iceweasel at all? or firts upgrade?
15:06<bremner>dvd: first iceweasel on this machine
15:06<U-boot92>excuse me, I found the solution.. good night :)
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15:08<bremner>I have been using conkeror, which uses the same backend I guess
15:08<dvd>bremner: strange... i have a pc which is running a strange mess of lenny, sid and a piece of sidux and i couldn't get iceweasel 3 working... but i've installed a couple of brand new lennies straight with 3.0 and no problems
15:09<bremner>dvd: yeah, this is one of those "strange mess" machines
15:09<bremner>freaky, root owns my .mozilla. WTF?
15:10<chealer>bremner: you can assume it isn't broken for all others
15:10<bremner>chealer: thanks, I was trying to figure out if was my machine. Looks like it might be.
15:11<bremner>well, that was therapeutic. It turns out that having root own your .mozilla is not a good idea. No idea how that happened.
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15:20<dvd>bremner: now this is freaky, i just upgraded to 3.0.4 (hadn't tried it before) and it's ok (and .mozilla was owned by me not by root) but anyway it works!
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15:20<bremner>dvd: glad to be of (indirect) service :-)
15:21<dvd>bremner: :)
15:22<dvd>bremner: i am very happy because i got my 3d going with the absolute impossibility of doing it :)
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15:33<Bushmills>dvd, finite or infinite impossibilty?
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15:41<cakemeister>who are all you people anyway?
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15:47<ringo>how do I get a simple script file to automatically execute?
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15:49<hochron>how do I get a simple script file to automatically execute?
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15:50<barnes>hochron crontab -e
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15:50<stew>hochron: when do you want it to execute?
15:50<hochron>it keeps giving me the option of displaying it or running it. When I double click on it
15:51<hochron>I want it to run... I am using gnome
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15:54<cahoot>hochron: you made it executable?
15:54<hochron>it is tightvnc and I dont want it to run after I click in the middle of the screen, yes
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15:54<hochron>er.. vncviewer
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15:57<hochron>is there a way to do it in gnome?
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16:00<hochron>maybe I should just go back to KDE....
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16:02<hochron>anyone got any ideas?
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16:04<hochron>could it be a feature of bash?
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16:06<hochron>hmmm when I archive it it changed the file permissions
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16:08<don>hey guys newb here... would anyone care to answer i question i have?
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16:09<hochron>it still is doing it after I chmod 777 it
16:09<adama>hochron: I recommend to put your script somewhere else and make a "Desktop Entry" to run it
16:09<adama>I've run into that problem
16:10<hochron>adama: ok thank you
16:10<hochron>adama: a link?
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16:11<hochron>adama: how do I go about doing that?
16:12<adama>the easiest way is to create a shortcut to e.g. firefox on the desktop, then open a terminal, then "cp Desktop/firefox.desktop Desktop/vncviewer.desktop" then "vi Desktop/vncviewer.desktop"
16:12<adama>that's how I did it
16:12<hochron>adama: thanks
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16:13<adama>I have "connect to HTPC" on my laptop Desktop; I'll pastebin the file itself
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16:17<adama>hochron: ...modify as needed
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16:18<adama>that last line is a comment for clarification
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16:19<adama>basically put Exec=/path/to/your/script
16:20<hochron>adama: thank you
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16:26<dvd>hi again! Now I have the following problem: to get my 3d acceleration working I have to upgrade the xserver from experimental, unfortunately with this upgrade my keyboard gets messed-up(my up-arrow takes a screenshot and I can't go to a different terminal using Ctrl+alt+F1,2,etc.), can you help me to configure it?
16:28<dvd>I don't know where the configuration stays (/etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty with this version of xorg)
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16:28<bremner>dvd: it has something to do with xkb, I think. I'm trying to remember how I fixed this
16:29<bremner>dvd: is there maybe a faq on the debian X11 team website?
16:29<dvd>bremner: i will check
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16:31<glax>Hi guys, how can I see the folders mounted with sshfs?
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16:38<bremner>dvd: sorry, the magic incantation is escaping me, but maybe if you asked nicely in #debian-x
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16:41<adama>glax: what is the problem?
16:42<newsense>anyone know of a good howto on getting a wireless card to associate at boot , tried to get it working a week ago but gave up
16:42<dvd>bremner: I'll try that because I could not find anything else
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17:23<panagos>one question about networking: if i have an ethernet network, where i have a router and two computers connected to a switcher, and the computers know each other by their ip addresses, but the switcher doesn't run the ip protocol, does traffic between the two computers pass through the router? or is there some kind of arp/rarp/etc magic involved which makes direct communication between the two possible?
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17:37<KiDFlaSh>i changed the name in the repos from lenny to testing, can there be some issues?
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17:40<amjad>I installed xen on etch and when rebooted, it says screen not found as soon as I run startx
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17:43<KiDFlaSh>i changed the name in the repos from lenny to testing, can there be some issues?
17:44<amjad>I installed xen on etch and when rebooted, it says screen not found as soon as I run startx
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17:47<mordy>i'm trying to get cellwriter to appear on the login screen, i have a line "cellwriter &" on the bottom of /etc/kd3/kdm/Xsetup" - and ps -A shows that cellwriter is running, but i can't see it in the login window
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17:51<enouf>mordy: you might need a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/apps/kdm/ or someshit .. ask kde channels
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17:51<mordy>i'm in the kde channel - nobody's answering
17:51<mordy>never liked KDE
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17:51<mordy>target age for this computer is 3-5 btw lol
17:51<mordy>that's why i'm running kde on this thign
17:52<enouf>mordy: is cellwriter like an x-window-manager?
17:52<mordy>cellwriter is an onscreen keyboard
17:52<enouf>mordy: how about update-alternatives?
17:52<mordy>it's a slate tablet that doesn't have a hardware keyboard
17:53<mordy>got it for $100 from ebay
17:53<enouf>like xvkbd
17:53<mordy>let me see if that works,, xvkbd should do the same thing
17:54<mordy>ahh it works with xvkbd
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17:54<enouf>mordy: might add the entry to an ~/.xsession file ?
17:54<mordy>the problem is that it worked with cellwriter as well, but when i restarted it, it didn't work anymore
17:54<nicholas>good program for wireless networks
17:54<mordy>let me restart this thihng as well
17:54<mordy>nicholas, what do you mean?
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17:55<nicholas>a program to enable wifi i allready have a wireless card just need to get it going
17:55<mordy>ifup wlan0?
17:55<mordy>and maybe a driver as well
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17:56<nicholas>anyone spicific program i know kwifi works but now for some reason the new versin of XUbuntu got rid of it
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17:57<mordy>this is not an ubuntu channel, but i like to use wifi-radar for wireless networks
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17:57<nicholas>thanks i am a little new to Xubuntu
17:57<mordy>but you may wish to ask in #ubuntu
17:58<KiDFlaSh>i changed the name in the sources.list from lenny to testing, can there be some issues?
17:58<nicholas>k i will try it thanks
17:58<mordy>kidflash - when lenny will switch to stable you'll have issues
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17:58<KiDFlaSh>because i get the new testing then, or?
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17:58<mordy>pretty much
17:58<KiDFlaSh>ok thats what i want
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17:59<enouf>KiDFlaSh: you'll get tons of all newer, possibly slightly/very buggy pkgs once lenny releases and becomes stable (once you update/upgrade)
17:59<KiDFlaSh>but now, there will be no issues till lenny is stable
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17:59<mordy>lenny is going to be stable yesterday
17:59<KiDFlaSh>should i wait till, i use the new testing?
18:00<mordy>up to you i guess
18:00<enouf>KiDFlaSh: the people whom might be a bit frightened should wait a few weeks till after lenny releases
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18:00<mordy>ugh, another X question
18:00<enouf>KiDFlaSh: to make the switch you just made (replaced lenny with testing)
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18:01<enouf>i guess then, you could replace lenny with squeeze ;-)
18:01<mordy>is it possible to emulate right click by holding the stylus down for x amount of seconds?
18:01<KiDFlaSh>i think its better
18:01<Lenhix>Hey guys, does anyone know how the sysmonitoring applet for KDE panel is called? I'm on etchnhalf and installed just kdebase but I want that lil bars back, hehe
18:02<enouf>mordy: if nobody here responds after a while, try ##linux and #xorg (freenode?)
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18:03<enouf>!tell Lenhix -about search
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18:03<mordy>enouf - debian channels have been the most helpful to me always
18:03<Lenhix>I did that, enouf... but ksysguard doesn't include the applet
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18:04<Lenhix>I also did apt-get install kde (but choose 'no') to see the list of packages and have tried with many, but no luck
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18:04<chealer>Lenhix: ask #debian-kde
18:05<enouf>Lenhix: ~$ apt-cache search kde | grep monitor
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18:06<enouf>Lenhix: are even sure it's kde related? sure it wasn't conky or something?
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18:07<Lenhix>I think it's KDE because when I used the etch-KDE-CD1 it was available, without installing anything else
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18:10<D1ablo>am i crazy to run debian on one of those ?
18:12*D1ablo need Bob the builder to shift it
18:12<amphi>what is it?
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18:13<D1ablo>is a HP mainframe look sideway
18:13<KiDFlaSh>do someone use experimental packages and can recommend them?
18:13<mordy>looks like an air conditioner
18:14<D1ablo>that was my first impression
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18:15<Lenhix>enouf: I tried the "| grep monitor" thing and got nothing useful. A guy at #debian-kde told me that the package is named kicker-applets and now I have it :)
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18:15*mordy wishes he could kick kde
18:16<D1ablo>mordy> u pushing your luck
18:16<Lenhix>D1ablo: those look like they have a 5 1/4 diskette drive XD
18:16<enouf>Lenhix: ahh .. panel, kicker .. yep
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18:16<mordy>meh, i can see KDE being pretty nice, but it comes so bloated in its initial state and i find it too much work to trim it down
18:16<D1ablo>lenhix no is a modern mainframe came from insurance company
18:16<KiDFlaSh>when do you think, will lenny be released?
18:17<D1ablo>they wont allow me to come near it to get the ref number
18:17<enouf>Lenhix: maybe now they'll alter the description (or expand on it) so that searching for kde and filtering for 'monitor' will locate it
18:18<Lenhix>mordy: I think the same, that's why I installed just the base system and then apt-get install kdebase
18:18<enouf>!siyh KiDFlaSh
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18:18<D1ablo>enouf> i found apt-cache less honest when it comes to piping
18:18<Lenhix>Of course, I've had to install many apps manually, but I have just what I want
18:18<KiDFlaSh>enouf, ?
18:18<enouf>D1ablo: works for me - but i also use regex a tad
18:18<enouf>KiDFlaSh: it was supposed to say "Sooner if you help KiDFlaSh"
18:19<ty>why does debian use less ram than ubuntu
18:19<D1ablo>enouf> it works most of the time but not 100%
18:19<KiDFlaSh>but im newbie, i cant help, and i have no bugs. so i cant report anything
18:19<enouf>D1ablo: nothing works 100% :-p
18:19<Lenhix>yep ty, at least using gnome
18:19<D1ablo>amen bro!
18:20<Maulkin>ty: No idea. We probably focus on efficeincy rather than everything working 100% for everyone
18:20<Lenhix>I think that's because Ubuntu comes with a lot of apps to make the user's life easier but most of them are not needed all the time
18:20<enouf>KiDFlaSh: well, idf you have no issues, there's no need for you to worry about lenny releasing ;-)
18:21<KiDFlaSh>i wanted only to know
18:21<ty>well, how is it so fast when it uses less ram, and ive installed a bunch of apps on debian and taken ubuntu down to minimal, still debian ran lots faster?
18:21<chealer>ty: Debian doesn't always use less RAM than Ubuntu
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18:21<enouf>ty: there might be more services enabled via default to run at startup .. though, they shouldn't use much of anything if they're not being used - even something like X can sit there, if not used, and not use much resources
18:21<ty>which one should i choose for webserving? debian or ubuntu?
18:22<chealer>!tell KiDFlaSh about wwlr
18:22<enouf>perhaps a default firewall running? apparmor?
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18:23<amphi>ty: I suspect most here would say 'debian'
18:23<ty>ill ask ubuntu people!, lol
18:23<enouf>or .. "it's your choice" :-P
18:23<Lenhix>ty: Ubuntu server is nice
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18:23<mordy>enouf, btw, fb rocks
18:23<Lenhix>But you could try a just base-system debian isntall
18:24<enouf>personally; i'd have to say, "if you're a wintendos weenie, please see #ubuntu" :-P
18:24<Lenhix>Personally, I'd choose last stable release of Debian and install just the base system
18:24<enouf>mordy: yes it does :-)
18:24<mordy>and #kde
18:24<ty>Lenhix: i use ubuntu server!
18:24<mordy>@ windows weenie
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18:25<ty>i have noticed that debian sucks at wireless drivers, the newest version couldnt find a driver for my laptop, when ubuntu 5.10 could
18:26<amphi>ty: what card?
18:26<ty>atheros ar2413
18:26<mordy>ii don't think atheros works best wiht linux
18:26<ty>i had to use stupid windows drivers
18:26<mordy>best thing is ralink
18:26<chealer>ty: please watch your language
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18:26<Lenhix>ty: install a newer kernel
18:26<amphi>ty: madwifi supports that? or compat-wireless?
18:26<Lenhix>That's why I installed etchnhalf
18:26<ty>it was the newst one!
18:27<ty>ndiswrapper worked though
18:27<mordy>ralink is also generally cheaper
18:27<Lenhix>well, gotta go
18:27<[machine]>ty: perhaps, debian doesn't suck... but just has different goals
18:27<amphi>intel cards work well IME, pace evil fw blobbery
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18:27<Lenhix>they are shutting down the lights!!
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18:28<mordy>intel is expensive
18:28<mordy>ralink is the best
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18:28<mordy>!wifi war
18:28<enouf>Ok folks - real printing issue here - 1st off, i do have k control center and have gone through the motions of adding this Lexmark USB Printer to it - i've also installed and enabled CUPS/cupsys (-common, -client, etc) and cupsysd is running, i even tried enabling 'portmap' (i don't know) .. In k control, i chose CUPS .. this frigging thing says "Test page printed successfully" about 6 different ways .. but nothing ever happens! (nothing is
18:28<ty>ok i didnt mean to hurt debian users feelings! debian doesnt really suck, it just make me sad when i cant find drivers
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18:29<amphi>enouf: did you say 'Lexmark'??? ;)
18:29<mordy>lol amphi
18:29<enouf> - and even appears to work when i go through http://localhost:631/ .. i've set it up, managed, etc - but My Manu name is not in hte list, so i chose Generic once, and RAW, them PostScript Driver another time, but there's No File i know of to feed it :-O
18:29<enouf>amphi: yessir
18:29<amphi>enouf: I'd always thought better of you *sniff*
18:29<enouf>amphi: i borrowed it - i need to print out like 5 friggin pages!
18:30<amphi>did you try cups via it's web interface? that's worked well for me, on the few occasions I've wrestled with printers
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18:30<kevind23>I'm trying to get X setup on a new laptop, and someone on freenode's #debian advised me to compile xf86-video-intel from source, but now it won't even load the 'intel' driver from source.. any help? here's the log/config:
18:31<amphi>kevind23: what is the card?
18:31<enouf>Also folks, dmesg | tail shows the printer recognized and loaded, (usblp0) .. and i see i have a /dev/usb/lp0 .. i've restarted cups and lpd .. all to no avail
18:31<kevind23>amphi: intel 4500MHD
18:31<enouf>Do i need a proprietary Driver? is that the issue? oh. lsusb also sees it fine
18:32<kevind23>eventually I'd like compositing for compiz, but I'd like to get my 1600x900 resolution first (vesa works, but only with 800x600 or similiar)
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18:32<amphi>enouf: /
18:32<chealer>kevind23: if you don't mind, why did that person advise you to compile?
18:32<enouf>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 043d:0078 Lexmark International, Inc. InkJet Color Printer <-- maybe i need to load a certain kernel module matching the Device/ProductIDs ?
18:32<enouf>amphi: aye - i'm there next ;-)
18:32<kevind23>chealer: because the version in testing doesn't support the card yet
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18:33<enouf>amphi: just thought someone might know about needing a binary blob or note
18:33<kevind23>I don't mind compiling, but I'd like things to work >.>
18:33<amphi>enouf: I doubt it - perhaps gutenprint or foomatic or some such
18:33<enouf>amphi: aye .. i'll start loading the bloat now :-P
18:33<amphi>enouf: you can't just make a pdf and take it somewhere? ;)
18:33<enouf>amphi: (in this case, bloat just refers to many unneeded pkgs, to find the correct one needed ;-))
18:33<amphi>printing is teh sukc
18:34<mordy>amphi - i plugged in my printer and it worked without any configuration
18:34<enouf>amphi: i guess i could burn the files to CD or DVD :-) and let the other suckers print it out
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18:34<enouf>amphi: or .. i could reboot into win98 O_o
18:34<amphi>no usb stick?
18:34<mordy>and i'm surprised since last time i tried, it (a few months ago) i needed a proprietary driver
18:34<D1ablo>amphi> i thought i was the only dis;exic in this channel :-)
18:34<amphi>mordy: it is not lexmark, I'll hazard the guess ;)
18:34<enouf>amphi: it's not ;-)
18:34<enouf>JingleMold or someshit
18:35<enouf>manel: show 'em :-p
18:35<mordy>enoug, that isn't JingleMold lol
18:35<mordy>that entry was from something else, don't know what
18:35<enouf>mordy: i meant you, not manel
18:35<mordy>but ok
18:35<amphi>D1ablo: eh?
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18:36<mordy>enouf, amphi: Bus 005 Device 014: ID 05af:0408 Jing-Mold Enterprise Co., Ltd
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18:36<mordy>i can just imagine "#23 Jingle Mold Corporate Center"
18:36<mordy>in the heart of err... Beijing
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18:37<chealer>kevind23: if you don't mind, the fact that the version in testing doesn't do something you want isn't a good reason to compile.
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18:37<kevind23>well chealer, I'd like to use X on my laptop
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18:38<amphi>kevind23: that's just pathetic
18:38<amphi>fbcomsole should be enough for anyone
18:38<amphi>console even
18:39<mordy>i guess it's not supported
18:39<kevind23>not when your screensize isn't supported by vesa/vga, amphi, it's actually very annoying to use an 800x600 display on a 1600x900 screen
18:40<mordy>i'm sure you can configure xorg.conf to trim the screen and not scale it
18:40<mordy>well, i *think*
18:41<amphi>kevind23: sure, I joke
18:41<mordy>vesa supports higher modes than that
18:42<mordy>and you may wish to look here:
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18:44<franck_>hye happy users !
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18:45<franck_>french here ?
18:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
18:45*enouf has to run - bbl (hour or more) .. thanks guys
18:46<franck_>tks amphi :)
18:46<mordy>can someone give me a checklist or pointers on setting up a splash image?
18:46<mordy>i.e. for booting and shutdown
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18:54<D1ablo>mordy> splash image or splash screen image?
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18:54<adama>apt-cache search shows me that a certain package is available. How can I see what repository it will come from
18:55<adama>I want to install the package on a different box, but I don't know what repo to add to the sources.list
18:55<D1ablo>where the box located?
18:55<mordy>d1ablo, what's the difference?
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18:55<D1ablo>one of them is embeded :-)
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18:57<D1ablo>adama you're in australia?
18:57<adama>D1ablo: no. why?
18:57<D1ablo>just choose local mirror
18:57<D1ablo>add it to your source list
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18:58<D1ablo>my isp has free traffic to local debian mirror
18:58<mordy>embedded into BIOS?
18:58<mordy>lol, i thihnk i'm talking crap now
18:58<kurumin>what is this?
18:58<D1ablo>mordy > some they do
18:59<D1ablo>some in a file
18:59<kurumin>in a file too
18:59<mordy>d1ablo, i'm talkingn about a splash image when grub loads
18:59<D1ablo>yeah like windows splash screen
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19:00<adama>mordy: I think apt-get install splashy
19:00<kurumin>you speak portuguese?
19:00<mordy>i'm trying to set up a computer that would be as appealing as possible to little kids
19:00<D1ablo>they usually point to a image file
19:00<D1ablo>just replace the image file with the one you want
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19:02*D1ablo was going to make a sick joke to mordy :-)
19:02<mordy>d1ablo, it's for my mother, she works in special ed
19:02<mordy>lol, i was sensing a joke
19:03<D1ablo>mordy> dos is the best then :-)
19:03<mordy>DOS? lol
19:03<D1ablo>few basic program and menu
19:03<mordy>well, when i was a kid, dos was the best
19:03<mordy>but this computer doesn't have a keyboard
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19:03<mordy>well, when i was a kid, dos was pretty much all there was around
19:04<D1ablo>mordy> dos do understand mouse
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19:04<D1ablo>there's alot of educational prog for kids in dos :-)
19:05<mordy>it's a tablet pc - besides, the age range is 2-5
19:05<D1ablo>my son had dos running on 386sx with a menu with 25 educational prog
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19:06<D1ablo>used mouse only to navigate
19:06<mordy>i guess i could run dos with WINE too, no?
19:06<mordy>yeah, here a mouse is the primary mode of input
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19:06<D1ablo>apt-get serach dosemu
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19:06<D1ablo>apt-cache search dosemu
19:07<mordy>yeah, installing it now
19:07<MrMiffy>guys whats the command to show what storage devices is installed? and for showing space available?
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19:08<MrMiffy>tx man
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19:10<D1ablo>anyone remember ABBA song money money money!?
19:10<D1ablo>well i keep sining SCSI SCSI SCSI...
19:10<mordy>well great, xvkbd has some weird input problems with dosemu
19:10<mordy>it enters every key twice :(
19:11<D1ablo>echo off?
19:11<D1ablo>does dosemu still need to download freedos ?
19:12<D1ablo>haven't used it form yonks
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19:12<mordy>let me see
19:12<D1ablo>i still have a dos machine is a 386sx :-)
19:12<D1ablo>with 5.25" 360k drive
19:12<mordy>yup, pulled in freedos as well
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19:13<mordy>it's not echo - i don't know why this happens
19:13<mordy>it only doubles with lower case letters
19:13<D1ablo>just check locals
19:13<D1ablo>might be font problem
19:13<D1ablo>try utf-8 :-)
19:14<franck_>please, i have remove all the /var/lib/ldap directory by mistake.. i need to reinitialize totaly my ldap database ! can someone help me, ?
19:14<mordy>yeah this system doesn't have a default locale
19:14<glax>Hi guys, I have a ftp server running with pureftp. What I want to do that when you go to on any browserit forward the connectio to and ask for the user and password, right now I have to write
19:14<mordy>how do i get it to do all the debconf stuff like in a regular installation?
19:15<mordy>never did it since it was debootstrapped
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19:17<D1ablo>franck_ try apt-get check see if it helps
19:17<franck_>nothing !
19:17<D1ablo>glax> had trouble with pure ftpd too try vsftpd
19:18<abrotman>glax: and what?
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19:19<glax>abrotman, what I am trying to do is to avoid writing ftp://user:passwd@domain every time I need to access by a browser
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19:19<abrotman>you have to login somehow
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19:19<D1ablo>not if he use anonymus
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19:20<franck_>glax use knetattach
19:20<D1ablo>vsftpd worked for me :-)
19:20<glax>I don't allow anonymous. What I want to do is that when you access lo load a windows asking for the user and passwd
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19:21<abrotman>glax: which browser are you using to access it ?
19:21<D1ablo>glax > u r not making sense
19:21<glax>IE and Firefox
19:21<abrotman>glax: IE7?
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19:21<abrotman>glax: i've used vsftpd and proftpd and they've both prompted me for a login
19:22<glax>on firefox it status bar shows "Beginning FTP Transaction"
19:22<D1ablo>glax> no ftp server will allow you in withuo name and password unless is anonymous
19:23<D1ablo>even anonymous has username and password
19:23<D1ablo>but is not auth.
19:23<aqwa>i'm new there, ravi de vous connaitre
19:23<glax>Diablo, I have the users created, what I want to do is that pureftp prompt asking for the user and the passwd
19:24<D1ablo>glax> thats notf p server issue thats a client issue in this case is the browsers
19:24<petern>its the browser that needs to prompt
19:25<aqwa>glax : do you use a mysql connection ?
19:25<Tenchi_Muyou>glax: unfortunally both browsers if you dont type it as ftp://user:password@domain they will assume you want to login with anonymous and wont ask you for a user/password
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19:25<Tenchi_Muyou>glax: complain to the browser makers
19:25<glax>strange, try different server with same browser and it prompt
19:26<Tenchi_Muyou>some will accept if you type just the user
19:26<D1ablo>or use a proper ftp client
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19:26<glax>I connect to a server running Microsoft FTP Service (Version 5.0) and it prompt on both firefox and IE
19:27<KiDFlaSh>can i install kde even if i have already gnome
19:27<KiDFlaSh>or will this break the system?
19:27<amphi>KiDFlaSh: you can
19:27<glax>I though it was a pureftp configuration that needed to be done
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19:28<aqwa>glax : and it do the same with a ?
19:28<D1ablo>glax> look for an add on for firefox that deal with your issue
19:28<abrotman>D1ablo: how does that make sense ?
19:28<petern>well, disable anonymous might do it
19:29<glax>aqwa, prompt for the passwd
19:29<petern>or just give you a failure
19:29<glax>petern anonymous is not enabled
19:29<KiDFlaSh>amphi, and they will not interrupt each otherß
19:30<amphi>KiDFlaSh: you must run one DE or the other, but you can run gnome programs in kde, or vice versa
19:30<D1ablo>abrotman> there is weird add ons for firefox out there he might get lucky
19:30<KiDFlaSh>what do you recommend, full kde installation?
19:31<abrotman>and which add-on for IE should he get to fix it?
19:31<amphi>KiDFlaSh: I don't use either, myself
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19:31<KiDFlaSh>hmm, i understand
19:31<D1ablo>abrotman> if i knew i would have told him already, you started to sound like you have an axe to grind
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19:32<abrotman>D1ablo: you're not making any sense .. two different browsers respond the same ..
19:32<amphi>KiDFlaSh: if it's just a particular kprogram you want, just install it - it'll pull in whatever kstuff it needs
19:33<D1ablo>abrotman > read above , by defauilt browsers assume you're trying to log in as anonymous if you do not supply user name and password
19:33<aqwa>everybody's using debiaaaaaaan with x11 there ?
19:33<KiDFlaSh>i dont need some special kprogram, wanted to try kde
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19:33<amphi>KiDFlaSh: then install the whole shebang
19:33<abrotman>D1ablo: no, they try it and if it fails they hsould prompt
19:33<chealer>KiDFlaSh: if you want to try KDE, I recommend installing the kde package
19:33<D1ablo>abrotman> that doesn't work all the time
19:34<abrotman>D1ablo: but the FF plugin will ?
19:34<D1ablo>due to timeout and failed retries
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19:34<D1ablo>abrotman> is possible
19:35<amphi>D1ablo: consider the first law of holes ;)
19:35<abrotman>he's gone now .. and probably thinks it's a browser problem .. great plan
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19:36<D1ablo>abrotman> why you holding up?
19:36<D1ablo>spill the beans
19:36<abrotman>Users might have trouble connecting through Internet Explorer. This is because IE, among others, tries to connect anonymously and may not give pure-ftpd the proper chance to request a username and password. One can, in the pure-ftp.conf file change the line BrokenClientsCompatibility from no to yes. This might or might not work, it seems to depend upon what version of IE that someone is using.
19:36<D1ablo>for the benefit of others
19:36<aqwa>what a prehistorical-NTIC preiod where're leve in!
19:36<abrotman>yeah .. plugin .. great plan
19:37<D1ablo>abrotman> is clear , is a browser issue
19:37<D1ablo>read it
19:37<abrotman>but you don't fix it in the browser
19:37<abrotman>oh .. unless you have the IE source code ...
19:37<D1ablo>it say it may and it may not works
19:37<D1ablo>so is still a browser issue
19:37<D1ablo>i don't use IE
19:37<abrotman>so give him your IE source code to fix it
19:38<abrotman>otherwise .. fix the ftpd
19:38<D1ablo>i suggested a add on for FF
19:38*abrotman checks to see if it's sunday
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19:38<mordy>i'm trying to follow a howto and it tells me to edit something in /etc/grub.conf - what's the equivalent of that file in debian? menu.lst?
19:38<abrotman>mordy: which version of grub is this for?
19:38<amphi>mordy: yes
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19:39<mordy>abrotman - doesn't say - it's just for a splash image
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19:39<aqwa>I haved the same conflict this week, "correcting" a html file w3c validated, but without display in IE. So wa hace to corrupt our file to be IE viewable :|
19:39<abrotman>mordy: i meant which one do you have installed ..
19:39<apostle> package manager was working great and all of the sudden its trying to remove 200 packages? Is there a command I can run to fix this?
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19:39<abrotman>apostle: aptitude? what did you remove to do that?
19:39<mordy>"ii grub 0.97-47 GRand Unified Bootloader (Legacy version)"
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19:39<amphi>aqwa: last I heard, IE scored I think 21 on acid3
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19:40<abrotman>mordy: then yes, /boot/grub/menu.lst
19:40<D1ablo>you need to do updategrub mordy FM
19:40<D1ablo>will double check it
19:40<aqwa>amphi: I don't speak english very well. what do you mean ?
19:41<amphi>aqwa: not important (or on-topic ;)
19:41<D1ablo>water please
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19:41<mordy>i should place all options before the kernel list?
19:41<D1ablo>aqwa ardiente please
19:42<abrotman>aqwa: ignore him
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19:42<aqwa>who lol, i'm newbee there, sorry
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19:42<D1ablo>aqwa> he's tellin you to ignore me
19:43<D1ablo>aqwa is water in porteguese right?
19:43<aqwa>I suppose ^^ I' don''t know
19:44<franck_>agua !
19:44<D1ablo>agua is in spanish and agua ardient is a famous south american drink
19:44<mordy>ok, well that works - now how do i make the splash image extend beyond grub?
19:44<franck_>agua in portugese too trust me
19:45<mordy>does the kernel accept a splash image as an argument?
19:45<abrotman>mordy: that's different .. grub splash is different than an init splash
19:46<abrotman>mordy: which version of debian ?
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19:46<aqwa>I've learn 1001000111 informations reaching my login!
19:46<abrotman>judd: splashy lenny --arch i386
19:46<judd>abrotman: Error: "splashy" is not a valid command.
19:46<abrotman>!info splashy lenny
19:46<abrotman>judd: info splashy lenny --arch i386
19:46<judd>abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]"
19:46<abrotman>judd: info splashy --release lenny --arch i386
19:46<judd>abrotman: splashy (graphics): is optional; Version: 0.3.10-2.1; Size: 1173.9k; Installed: 1592k -- A complete user-space boot splash system
19:47<dpkg>splashy: (A complete user-space boot splash system), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.3.10-2.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1173 kB, Installed size: 1592 kB
19:47<mordy>judd is the bot?
19:47<judd>mordy: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
19:47<abrotman>yes, judd is one bot here
19:47<aqwa>me too
19:47<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
19:47<abrotman>mordy: if you want a pretty boot like some other distros have, splashy is more like what you're looking for
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19:50<apostle>abrotman, what command can I run to fix my index?
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19:50<abrotman>your who ?
19:50<abrotman>apostle: i asked you questions you didn't answer
19:50<aqwa>do anyone have rain around is machine ?
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19:51<apostle>abrotman, sorry I don't recall uninstalling anything......
19:51<apostle>I'm looking at my log now
19:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:52<apostle>abrotman, I don't know what package was aptitude is installing 233 packages....what can I do to stop this cycle?
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19:52<aqwa>abrotman : m?fi! a dog is watching ^^
19:52<abrotman>a what ?
19:52<abrotman>apostle: paste the output in the pastebin above
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19:53<aqwa>abrotman: I think sincirely that dpkg is a dog turning around! Take care
19:54<abrotman>aqwa: you too!
19:54<mordy>is it a big hassle to get a progress bar with splashy too?
19:54<aqwa>That's what I do ^^
19:55<amphi>mordy: do you have nothing better to do? ;)
19:55<mordy>amphi - i'm dead tired now lol, ordinarily i wouldn't dabble with it
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20:00<mordy>do i need to regenerate initrd for splashy?
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20:03<aqwa>h?! a monty python spirit like there :)
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20:04<aqwa>touanf! (ping with an extreme reverse-ball control)
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20:05*aqwa LIKES ping/pong OUAAAAAHHHH!
20:05<mordy>well, splashy works
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20:06<aqwa>splashy... arf!!! freetranslation pffffffffffffffffffffffff
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20:07<apostle>abrotman, sorry for taking so long....had to wait to get over 200 packages there anything I can do to fix the last error?
20:08<abrotman>apostle: touch /usr/share/cdd/cdd-utils ... try again
20:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
20:09<apostle>abrotman, touch: cannot touch `/usr/share/cdd/cdd-utils': No such file or directory
20:09<abrotman>apostle: ls -ld /usr/share/cdd
20:09<apostle>abrotman, ls: cannot access /usr/share/cdd: No such file or directory
20:10<abrotman>apostle: mkdir -p /usr/share/cdd && touch /usr/share/cdd/cdd-utils
20:10<aqwa>apostle: cd or net install ?
20:11<apostle>net install but quite awhile ago and the system has been running perfectly
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20:11<aqwa>from ssh ?
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20:12<abrotman>apostle: did that fix it ?
20:12<apostle>abrotman, no
20:12<abrotman>apostle: what's the error now ?
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20:13<apostle>abrotman, the last thing I remember doing before everything started to go like this.....I killed a process called wishlist and then funny things started happening
20:14<abrotman>did you get an error from the command i gave you ?
20:14<apostle>abrotman, no I did not
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20:14<abrotman>apostle: ls -l /usr/share/cdd/cdd-utils
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20:15<apostle>abrotman, that works fine now the last command
20:15<abrotman>apostle: and if you try the dist-upgrade again ?
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20:18<abrotman>apostle: what is line 14 of your /etc/cdd/cdd.conf ?
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20:19<apostle>abrotman, . ${SHAREDIR}/cdd-utils
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20:19<aqwa>abrotman : are you the debian administration guru ?
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20:21<abrotman>apostle: is there a /var/lib/dpkg/info/junior-math.postrm ?
20:22<apostle>abrotman, I did a aptitude safe-upgrade and things looking better stand by
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20:25<apostle>abrotman, yes there is
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20:25<abrotman>apostle: edit the file .. and after the first line, put an 'exit 0'
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20:28<lobo>sorry how add new channel I am new in ubuntu...
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20:29<aetheria_>anyone know how to do accented e on a de keymap?
20:29<abrotman>lobo: you want #ubuntu on
20:29<lobo>yes I want add irc-hispano
20:30<aqwa>I've just intall my lamp since yesterday
20:30<lobo>but I aren't know how...
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20:31<abrotman>lobo: you want to `/server` .. and after it connects `/join #ubuntu`
20:32<lobo>but how I doing that?
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20:33<lobo>it's my imagination or no body is here?
20:34<lobo>dpalacio your speak spanish?
20:34<lobo>hola palacio
20:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:35<lobo>quiero juntarme en donde hablen español pero como agrego un nuevo canal si me puedes ayudar dpalacio
20:35<dpalacio>escribe /join #debian-es
20:35<lobo>a ver
20:36<lobo>haa gracias
20:37<aqwa>c'est qu'il est multilingual ce canal!
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20:40<aqwa>asta siempre!
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20:44<apostle>what ever happened was fixed with the aptitude safe-upgrade
20:44<apostle>and so far so good
20:44<apostle>abrotman, thanks
20:45<apostle>abrotman, I'm trying to track down what happened.....I was reading.....perhaps something to do with tasksel
20:46<Bushmills>ah. the dangers of reading :P always happens that the system behaves funny when one reads.
20:47<Bushmills>(given its destructive potential, one should write a howto which recommends not to read)
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21:16*enouf needs a bozo to pick on
21:16<enouf>any volunteers? :-p
21:16<abrotman>stop calling people names
21:16<enouf>what people?
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21:16<abrotman>don't attempt ignorance
21:17<enouf>ok, which people
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21:18<avu>the proud wich people of nothern ireland of course
21:18<avu>oh, this isn't even -offtopic :(
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21:21<lucas_amorim>hello, how do I use apt-cache to find out which package provides the file fancyheadings.sty ?
21:22<abrotman>!tell lucas_amorim about search
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21:25<bremner>!tell lucas_amorim about apt-file
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21:26<enouf>any responses about my stupid lexmark crap printer issue?
21:27<enouf>i have to install some foomatic bullshit?
21:27<petemc>which wich people of northern ireland?
21:28<lucas_amorim>bremner: I am installing apt-file lol
21:28<petemc>would i know them?
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21:28<lucas_amorim>bremner: it takes too long to update, doesn't it?
21:28<bremner>lucas_amorim: it is very slow, yes
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21:30<abrotman>lucas_amorim: texlive-latex-base
21:32<enouf>ok - so ~$ sudo apt-get install foomatic-db-gutenprint foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db foomatic-filters foomatic-filters-ppds
21:32<amphi>enouf: wots not of the horrid thing?
21:33<enouf>amphi: not useful .. checked it out .. even had to fire up midori to get the javashit to work
21:33<lucas_amorim>abrotman: thanks ;)
21:34<amphi>enouf: ;)
21:34<enouf>amphi: i'm just going to use BF&I to get me through this for now ;-)
21:34*amphi is building webkit again, as though by chance
21:35<enouf>BF&I == Brute Force and Ignorance (abrotty loathes when i do that :-P)
21:35<abrotman>stop acting like Nyle
21:37<enouf>amphi: i still have this XP Pro PC hanging on my LAN for weeks now in Sleep mode .. i refuse to press the power button to awaken it - i've been try various etherboot methods .. it deosn't respond ... so it'll flounder like a fish in the sahara ;-)
21:37<amphi>perhaps you must kiss it
21:37<enouf>i have other things to kiss .. thanks ;-)
21:38<enouf>and they're warm and moist O_O
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21:39<enouf>amphi: i might "bless" it soon though ;-)
21:40<enouf>amphi: a eulogy prior to descention into the glory hole ;-)
21:40<amphi>the traditional mallet blessing/
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21:40<enouf>burn babay burn -- a witch's tale ;-)
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21:42<enouf>whoa ; Need to get 25.4MB of archives.
21:42<enouf>After this operation, 93.3MB of additional disk space will be used.
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21:43<amphi>damn midori starts up fast, almost instantly, with a session of 84 tabs
21:45<enouf>amphi: that should be attributed to the NSA contributing to 25% of kernel patches - as it involves cache ;-)
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21:46<amphi>enouf: not really - both webkit and midori new-built
21:46<enouf>do you really trust that engine from hell?
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21:47<enouf>links2 is a single binary, that will behave only within a certain set of rules - midori (atleast the sid version) allows all sorts of nefarious code to whiz around via default
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21:49<enouf>amphi: you sure you weren't "walt disney'd"? Need to get 25.4MB of archives.
21:49<enouf>After this operation, 93.3MB of additional disk space will be used.
21:49<enouf>crap .. sorry
21:49<enouf>thanks to fxiny ;-)
21:49<amphi>enouf: eh?
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21:50<Dragon>i need help logging into root from the login screen
21:50<enouf>amphi: walt is .. on ice ;-)
21:51<Dragon>ok then
21:51<enouf>(well, atleast his head is)
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21:52<lestat>!just need a advice
21:52<lestat>Hi people...
21:52<bremner>Dragon: why not su? or switch to non-X11 VT (alt-F1)
21:52<amphi>enouf: he is?
21:52<Dragon>because there are some stuff i can not change
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21:52<lestat>I want to use a web proxy to anonymal navigation and hide my ip...
21:53<enouf>amphi: yep ;-) .. and note; (scotch makes me more .. er .. apt to anger ;-))
21:53<bremner>Dragon: you will have to be more specific, or wait for someone more psychic
21:53<lestat>what´s the debian package can i use for a high performance?
21:53<Dragon>there used to be a setting on there for to be able to log into root
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21:54<enouf>amphi: that dumbass is on LO2, or LN2 or whatever they use ;-)
21:54<Dragon>ok, i am trying to to install elisa media center
21:54<Dragon>and i need to edit the source list
21:55<bremner>Dragon: and you can't do that on a text console?
21:55<enouf>Dragon: nobody ever heard of that crap - clarify
21:55<Dragon>i hating using that
21:55<Dragon>plus i forgot how to do it lol
21:56<abrotman>!tell Dragon about sources.list
21:56<abrotman>Dragon: which version of linux are you using?
21:56<enouf>talk about inapropos
21:56<Dragon>Debian Lenny
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21:56<amphi>what's wrong with mplayer media centre?
21:57<Dragon>look it up
21:57<Dragon>Elisa Media Center
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21:57<bremner>Dragon: can you log in as a normal user?
21:57<abrotman>Dragon: then you can look up how to change your sources
21:57<Dragon>i am logged into normal user
21:57<bremner>start a terminal, su root
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21:58<Dragon>i know how to use root in console
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21:58<bremner>err, so why are you here?
21:58<Dragon>i want to log into root through the gui
21:59<kevind23>dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers// undefined symbol: PictureScreenPrivateIndex << anyone here know what that means?
21:59<lestat>I want to use a web proxy to anonymal navigation and hide my ip...
22:00<lestat>I want to use a web proxy to anonymal navigation and hide my ip...
22:00<lestat>what´s the debian package can i use for a high performance?
22:01<dpkg>The Onion Router - a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see or not allowed on #debian, see, or not in etch, see, or #tor @
22:02<bremner>Dragon: then you need to change the configuration of your display manager (gdm or kdm) but I don't know the details.
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22:04<lestat>understood... tanhks superjet_busy and dpkg
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22:04<superjet_busy>lestat: np
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22:08<stindy>hi y'all, i'm running debian etch and i'm having trouble installing a .run file. i tried apt-get install *filename* but it says it can't find the pkg, and i tried ./*filename* but that gives me permission denied. any ideas?
22:08<abrotman>which package is this?
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22:09<stindy>it's the virtualbox guest additions .run package
22:10<stindy> is the name
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22:12<enouf>kevind23: try #intel-gfx maybe .. not sure which network, if not here, try freenode
22:12<kevind23>they don't respond
22:12<kevind23>it's fixed though
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22:13<enouf>kevind23: wonderful - any info you can share?
22:13<stindy>abrotman: not sure if you're familiar, but what it does is adds communication between the Sun's VM virtualbox and the guest computer; in this example Etch is the guest OS
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22:14<kevind23>enouf: yeah, apparently my development package for xserver-xorg-dev didn't match with the experimental version of xserver-xorg
22:14<enouf>kevind23: ahh .. simple easy mistake .. even i would've made it
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22:15<enouf>kevind23: although at your stage .. i'd likely would've tried git, etc .. see
22:16<kevind23>are you referring to my display problems?
22:16<enouf>no, i'm referring to General Tso's Chicken
22:16<kevind23>still haven't fixed those.. I'm getting somewhere, but X crashes now, rather than producing a glitchy white screen
22:17<kevind23>the 2.5.1 version of xserver-xorg-video-intel/experimental supports the card so I don't need to bother with git
22:17<kevind23> << now I get that wonderful mess
22:17<Bushmills>stindy: . filename
22:17<enouf>you've now entered bug reporter status ;-)
22:18<chomwitt_>i have etch i386 in intel quad and i want to upgrade to lenny but in AMD64 (to be able to use the inter 64 cpu characteristics). Can i do that upgrade? is it a matter of kernel or all the application are compiled differently ?
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22:20<snogglethorpe>enouf: is that the "deep fried chicken fat" thing that's popular in takeout joints?
22:21<stindy>Bushmills: my terminal window closed when I tried that.
22:22<Bushmills>stindy: right. when execution was complete.
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22:22<Bushmills>to prevent, and see output, . filename ; read , or chmod the run file
22:24<blarson>chomwitt_: You need to reinstall to change from i386 to amd64.
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22:25<stindy>Bushmill: hmmm i dumped the output to a file and it only read verifying integrity...
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22:26<chomwitt_>blarson: :-( , couldnt that name change? AMD64 is very misleading (at least to me.. )
22:26<dpkg>amd64 is probably the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64>
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22:27<blarson>!why amd64
22:27<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
22:27<abrotman>blarson: you can use !tell foo about bar
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22:32<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
22:33<paddy>!why amd64
22:33<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
22:33<paddy>pft, its much simpler than that: it rocks!
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22:35<RIVE>amd64 works great, i'm using that in a AMD64 cpu and in a Core 2 Duo.
22:35<paddy>a few months ago i was not so happy with it, but now that Lenny is kind of ready ... i love it
22:36<RIVE>Yes, is more polished.
22:36<paddy>default settings almost everywhere and it just works
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22:36<D1ablo>coold would that make xeon rocks too ?
22:36<D1ablo>i have a quad xeon
22:36<paddy>i never used xen, i either use vmware or virtualbox
22:36<RIVE>I have a quad Xeon mechine as a server, still with Etch, works great.
22:36<paddy>(so far)
22:37<D1ablo>is it a dell ?
22:37<RIVE>Yes a Dell.
22:37<D1ablo>dell power server
22:37<snogglethorpe>isn't xeon a rather generic name, covering many generations of intel cpus?
22:37<D1ablo>xeon is a cpu
22:37<abrotman>snogglethorpe: google/wikipedia
22:37<D1ablo>just like pentium D
22:37<RIVE>Poweredde SC1430.
22:37<D1ablo>is 64bits capable
22:38<RIVE>Yes, Etch AMD64 in it.
22:38<snogglethorpe>hmm wikipedia agrees with me... "The Xeon brand refers to many families of Intel's x86 multiprocessing CPUs"
22:38<D1ablo>rive> just adquiered few dell servers form inssurance company didn't have chance to look at
22:38<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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22:39<RIVE>Sorry abrotman.
22:39<D1ablo>we still on topic as we discussing running debian on powerserver
22:39<ameyer>seriously, I think a xeon can be anything from an expensive Pentium 2 to an expensive core2
22:40<ameyer>maybe even an expensive core i7 or whatever they're calling the new ones
22:40<snogglethorpe>there is this note: "Older models added the Xeon moniker to the end of the name of their corresponding desktop processor, but more recent models used the name Xeon on its own. "
22:40<snogglethorpe>but still, the name "xeon" in conversation is a kind of vague unless it's clear what you're referring to
22:40<snogglethorpe>(i guess since he said quad-core though, that narrows it down)
22:41<D1ablo>lets call them by what they are ....64bitrs capable
22:41<ameyer>ok, the core i7 ones aren't out yet. Anyway, I *think* the quad-core ones are all core2
22:41<ameyer>which would mean 64 bits
22:41<D1ablo>ameyer> u r right though i have seen some early pentium iii xeon
22:42<ameyer>although hypothetically speaking, we potentially could be talking 2xdualcore or 4xsinglecore
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22:43<D1ablo>well this a quad CPU not quad core
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22:43<snogglethorpe>meaning 4 chips?
22:43<D1ablo>which make it 8 core would debian etch see the 8 logical cpus?
22:43<abrotman>meaning .. #debian-offtopic
22:43<ameyer>although all dual-core xeons seem to do 64 bits
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22:44<ameyer>err, maybe not
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22:48<D1ablo>there's a light at the end of the tunnel as james sang
22:48<D1ablo>linu on a mainfram
22:48<D1ablo>linux on mainfram now is it possible to use debian
22:49<ameyer>you may need to compile a new kernel to support all your cores
22:50<ameyer>(or you may not, I'm not sure. Linux supports up to 256 cores, I think)
22:50<stindy>Bushmills: still no dice, it just closes the window without completing the install. not sure what to try next
22:51<D1ablo>forget linux on mainframe ....
22:53<blarson>s390 has been supported for years
22:54<blarson>!tell D1ablo about s390
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22:54<D1ablo>yeah i know but can't find s390
22:55<D1ablo>this is hp and am not sure of the ref...
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22:56<D1ablo>blarson >
22:56<abrotman>that's not a mainframe
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22:58<D1ablo>am not allowed near it...took the shot from 10 mtrs
22:59<D1ablo>thats what listed under
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23:35<RIVE>¿Quienes son todos?
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23:38<D1ablo>los malos del passeo
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23:40<RIVE>Ups, wrog window.
23:40*D1ablo point that he's not latino or spanish
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23:40<D1ablo>rive> where are you located?
23:41<D1ablo>ahhh vicente frernandez come to mind
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23:42*D1ablo offer teckila sunrise to everyone on the channel
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23:47<paddy>D1ablo: haha, thank you. but i think my dad will be pissed when he visits me at 07:00 and i drink alcohol now, at 05:47
23:47<paddy>Fri Dec 19 05:47:11 CET 2008
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23:48<D1ablo>Fri Dec 19 13:48:11 WST 2008
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23:49<D1ablo>is there an optemized version of debian for diskless Xstation?
23:49<D1ablo>off course with NB
23:51<D1ablo>oh god
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23:52<D1ablo>paddy> at that time when i was young i was still drunk :-)
23:52<D1ablo>now am not allowed even to smell the beer
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23:55*enouf picked up a xeon server at the curb
23:56<bacon665>hi i have an ibook G3 and when i installed debian on boot the graphics are messed up it shows the bottom corner 4 times divided by a snowy cross
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23:58<paddy>D1ablo: haha :P
23:58<paddy>i am not so young anymore either, i have 33 years now
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23:58<enouf>try #debianppc
23:59<enouf>bacon665: maybe -ppc .. also on freenode
23:59<enouf>or -powerpc
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