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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-01-01

---Logopened Thu Jan 01 00:00:42 2009
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00:05<AndyJ>craigevil: No joy
00:06<AndyJ>craigevil: I haven't been able to download the package via Synaptic and downloading manually creates a dependency for nspluginwrapper, which doesn't seem to be available \
00:07<AndyJ>\ compatible
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00:53<Darten>Hello everyone!
00:53<Darten>How can I find out which package is responsible for a given font?
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00:54<Darten>That means, who can I find in which file lies a font of a given name?
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00:55<Darten>how, not who
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00:56<Darten>For example, 'AR PL ZenKai Uni'
00:56<Darten>Where does it come from?
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01:15<Darten>Happy New Year!
01:16<Darten>...from China, it's 2:16pm here...
01:16<Darten>I'm in the future...
01:16<Darten>Is somebody online here?
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01:17<vortex>Darten: you could check on
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01:18<Darten>Since when can search for font names!?
01:21<Darten>I just checked, it can not.
01:21<Darten>vortex: please give more details..
01:22<vortex>look for the font file on there is what i meant
01:23<vortex>not by the font name
01:23<vortex>or you can look on
01:23<Darten>But that is the source of my question: How do I get the f...... file name from the font.
01:25<vortex>hah, oops =)
01:25<vortex>whats the name of the font?
01:29<Darten>For example:
01:29<Darten>AR PL ZenKai Uni
01:33<Darten>How do you know?
01:33<Darten>How do you find out?
01:35<vortex>google =)
01:36<vortex>or you could use like i suggested, just put the name into the "Search Package Directories", select any for the distribution and select "Search on:" to descriptions.
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01:44<Darten>That means, you also don't know how to find which file provides which font (name)!?
01:50<vortex>thats how
01:50<vortex>easiest way
01:50<Darten>it would not be me, if I would be _satisfied_ with that solution...
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02:55<evertt_zufelt>If I install Lenny on my system can I install a package from Experimental?
02:56<beer>yes if you upgrade to unstable
02:57<evertt_zufelt>beer: Would it be easier then to just install unstable?
02:58<beer>I have never seen a unstable iso that I could install from
02:59<evertt_zufelt>beer: Ok, I'm very new to this. Well, I'll try Lenny and upgrading to unstable then if the package I need is not in the lenny repo.
03:00<evertt_zufelt>Any idea if there are problems upgrading to unstable on an eeepc?
03:00<beer>if you are new then I would not recoment using experimetnal,
03:00<beer>evem unstable is maybe a bad idear
03:01<jelloir>You could try running Sidux
03:01<evertt_zufelt>beer: Unfortunately I need gnome-orca 2.24.x
03:01<simonrvn>evertt_zufelt: stick to stable then, if you're new
03:01<beer>as root edit /etc/apt/source.list Everything wiht lenny (or testing) should be replaced with sid(or unstable
03:02<simonrvn>evertt_zufelt: only exp. has 2.24 stuff
03:02<evertt_zufelt>beer: Looks like it is only available in experimental. I suppose I can just build it from source, but I think that I would need to build atk, gail and at-spi too.
03:02<beer>and when you are edeting you should add contrib and non-free at the end of theline to get extra package
03:02<simonrvn>ravenbird: experimental
03:03<simonrvn>moment please
03:03<beer>and add an experimental repo as well (just copy the line with unstable and replace with expierimental)
03:03<evertt_zufelt>Ok, thanks for the heads up. I should have clarified that I am new to Debian, not to Linux.
03:03<simonrvn>evertt_zufelt: please wait
03:04<beer>to install things from experimental used this commnad: apt-get -t experimental install package
03:04<evertt_zufelt>simonrvn: Ok.
03:04<simonrvn>beer: he needs the proper sources.list entry, and relevant info first
03:05<simonrvn>evertt_zufelt: also i'd suggest using aptitude instead, it handles deps better
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03:05<simonrvn>ravenbird: experimental
03:05<ravenbird>If you want to use some certain packages in experimental, you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! do: apt-get -t experimental install foo bar
03:06<evertt_zufelt>Ok, all useful info, let's see if I can even get lenny installed. Trying to do it keynboardless on my eeepc (I am completely blind).
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03:06<simonrvn>deb ../project/experimental main contrib non-free deb-src ../project/experimental main contrib non-free
03:06<simonrvn>evertt_zufelt: ^^
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03:07<craigevil>evertt_zufelt: i run sid on my 701 works fine
03:07<simonrvn>i figured you were, asking for the newest orca ;)
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03:09<evertt_zufelt>Alright, once I get this installed I would like to contribute to the development of an accessible Live CD installer. Is there any attempt at any type of Live CD thus far?
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03:10<simonrvn>evertt_zufelt: yeh,
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03:12<tew>have anyone
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03:14<evertt_zufelt>Ok, that's an encouraging step in the right direction. As far as I see it all that would be necessary is to make sure that the gnome-orca package is installed on the Live CD and then to write a GUI installer
03:17<simonrvn>there's a gui installer already
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03:17<simonrvn>all you'd need is have orca set up and running
03:19<evertt_zufelt>simonrvn: I imagine I will also have to file some bug reports about parts of the installer that aren't quite as accessible as one might like. But, if there is a Live CD and a GUI installer the work is 80% complete. If gnome-orca is, or can be, on the CD then all that is required is to fix any accessibility bugs with the installer.
03:20<evertt_zufelt>simonrvn: very encouraging
03:20<simonrvn>yup, exactly.
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03:21<evertt_zufelt>simonrvn: And Mario Lang told me that work hadn't started on an accessible installer... but, if there is a gnome live CD with GUI Installer then work is well underway, even if they haven't given any thought to accessibility.
03:22<simonrvn>evertt_zufelt: yeh. just needs more integration. last i used it i saw no such thing going on, but i don't doubt it would be doable, and probably fairly easily.
03:23<evertt_zufelt>simonrvn: Yes, getting orca on there at the very least is a piece of cake.
03:24<simonrvn>now if i could get lighty to route to the right port on apache, i'll be happier
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03:42<alien123>hi I am trying to run Linux and 2003 images on Virtual box.Linux would be a new install and windows I have the vmdk files,Every time I try to start the VM .I get the error VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).Please advise
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03:46<petern>is vboxdrv loaded?
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03:51<alien123>Not sure of the answer.I am trying Vbox for the first time and am a new debian user.I I have loaded the virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-486 - PC virtualization solution for Linux 2.6 o ..I am running P4 intel
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03:53<damion>happy new year
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03:58<Darten>hello everyone
03:58<Darten>Second try
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03:59<Darten>How do I get from a 'kde' font name (from some dialog) to the filename?
03:59<Darten>I have one font on one computer and want to install it on the other, but I dont know the package name...
03:59<Darten>(that is an example)
04:01<Student>i have problem regarding Gnome , when i restarted my computer , after login it says cannot load applets
04:02<Student>and now my desktop cannot be loaded , all my icons are gone, no clock :(((
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04:02<Student>how can i fix this problem?
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04:02<s_i_m>Darten, look what fonts are listed in the KDE font settins.
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04:05<s_i_m>Student, that can be anything, from a broken gconf database till a broken install.
04:05<Pompey>Happy New Year !!!!!
04:07<Student>s_i_m i have installed my printer and that is all
04:07<Student>i have not changed any settings myself
04:07<s_i_m>akemashite omedeto gozaimasu, Pompey ^_^
04:07<Student>but in hope to fix the problem , i am upgrading to newer version
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04:11<Student>s_i_m am i doing fine?
04:12<Student>and what can be done to fix this type of problem in the future?
04:12<s_i_m>Student, i am not sure what you upgrading
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04:13<s_i_m>Student, before fixing something one has to narrow down the problem
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04:18<Student>s_i_m i am upgrading Gnome
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04:33<Darten>s_i_m, do you know how I can deduct the file name from a font name under KDE/gnome/whatever?
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04:37<Lenox_>what better way to start new year than with kernel updates
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04:44<Lenox_>what should a proper repositories file look like
04:45<Lenox_>I seem to have some non working urls there
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04:47<alien123>HI,any suggestions for software to remotely accessing a PC behind NAT for debian ?
04:50<kingsley>alien123: If I understand you, maybe you could ssh to the PC that on the internet and the private net, then ssh again to the PC on the private net.
04:50<kingsley>s/that/that is/
04:52<alien123>Kingsley :thanks.I am looking for a service or software like logmein or Pcanywhere available for windows and MAC.
04:52<Student>the nautilius won't open in my computer
04:52<Student>how can i fix this problem?
04:53<Lenox_>What should I add to my sources.list
04:53<kingsley>alien123: Perhaps you could search google's indices for x11vnc and nat.
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04:54<Student>the nautilius won't open in my computer, how i fix this problem
04:54<kingsley>Student: Have you tried opening nautilus with root permissions?
04:55<Lenox_>this is what my sources.list looks like atm
04:55<Student>kingsley i don't know how to open it with root permission, but when i log in , it says lots of applets cannot be open like time applet etc, and nautilius cannot be open too
04:56<kingsley>Lenox_: For unstable...
04:56<kingsley>Lenox_: deb unstable main contrib non-free
04:56<Lenox_>i get errors when i apt-get update
04:57<kingsley>Student: When did this start happening?
04:57<kingsley>Lenox_: Search google's indices for the exact error message(s).
04:58<Student>kingsley i just started my computer and this start to happen
04:59<Lenox_> Could not resolve ''
04:59<Student>kingsley i have shutdown properly without error
04:59<Student>kingsley b4 shutting down the computer i have installed my printer and made some print outs,
05:00<kingsley>Student: Maybe your hard drive is dying. /var/log/messages or dmesg may have a clue.
05:00*kingsley needs to go soon...
05:00<kingsley>Student: Did you install printer software?
05:01<kingsley>Student: Installing printer software may have broken nautilus.
05:01<Student>kingsley it is possible
05:01<Student>kingsley so how i fix this problem?
05:02<kingsley>Lenox_: I can't resolve either. Try a different server.
05:03<kingsley>Student: Perhaps you should turn off your computer to save the remaining data, and use another computer to research the problem through IRC and google's indices.
05:03<Lenox_>kingsley, theres more
05:03<kingsley>Student & Lenox_ I need to go now.
05:03<Student>ok kingsley , have fun
05:03<kingsley>Student & Lenox_ Good luck, and remember that there's another #debian channel on freenode.
05:04<Student>ok dear :)
05:05<craigevil>non-us? that was deprecated when Sarge was released
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05:09<Lenox_>should I have unstable there though?
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05:14<craigevil>are you still running Sarge? thats not even being supported any longer
05:14<Lenox_>man i dont even know
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05:15<craigevil>try cat /etc/issue in a terminal
05:16<Lenox_>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
05:17<craigevil>4.0 is etch the current stable, get rid of the non-us and unstable lines
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05:21<Lenox_>W: Couldn't stat source package list sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ - stat (2 No such file or directory)
05:21<craigevil>change it to say stable and not sarge
05:23<Lenox_>no errors
05:23<Lenox_>should install system updates now?
05:23<craigevil>go for it
05:24<alien123>craigevil ,I just checked mine and it is Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \...Is this unstable ?
05:24<craigevil>5.0 is lenny although if you have unstable it says that s well
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06:10<dulce>no se que es esto
06:11<dulce>alguien me puede explicar como funciona esto?
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06:12<themill>hmm.... where's dpkg gone today? Big night last night was it?
06:16<Lenox_>i cant copy text from gnome terminal
06:17<Lenox_>select the text and paste it into editor but it copyes other shit
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06:21<cahoot>toggle insert/overwrite?
06:22<cahoot>(in the editor)
06:22<EmleyMoor>hal-disable-polling is saying it cannot find my DVD writer - it is otherwise fine. What do I need to do to fix it?
06:24<Lenox_>cahoot, not helping, and its not editors fault
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09:02<yangyuchun>Happy New Year to you all.
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09:03<yangyuchun>sometimes I have to run 'sudo pon dsl-provider' manually
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09:03<yangyuchun>could anyone help?
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10:08<demo>trouble antix
10:08<demo>no sound
10:08<demo>no wifi
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10:09<cahoot>no fun
10:09<demo>can help ;e
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10:09<cahoot>antix is your distro?
10:10<cahoot>you know this is #debian?
10:11<demo>i know but i can nt install ;y drivers
10:11<gsimmons>demo: You should be asking in #mepis on instead.
10:12*themill wonders how many "based on"s it is sensible to have in the chain
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10:13<craigevil>none just use debian :)
10:13<themill>craigevil: indeed
10:13<peter_>just got ubuntu yesterday w00t
10:14<themill>peter_: wrong channel. Please try #ubuntu on
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10:14<mrvn>themill: what "based on"s per user becomes ridiculous?
10:15<themill>mrvn: you lost me on that one...
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10:16<mrvn>themill: imagine a "based on"s per user ratio of 0.1
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10:18<themill>mrvn: it would be easier for all of us if it were just 0, though
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10:19<mazze>I've the problem, that when my laptop is booting, there is a big gap/hang between second 9 and second 40. It is not clear to me what happens, but the last message before the gap is about the SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad. I've made a bootchart, but it doesn't help me as I'm not used to interprete the graph ... can anybody help me here?
10:21<Maulkin>Can you upload the bootchart?
10:21<mazze>Yes, I could. Where can I put it?
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10:22<mazze>craigevil thank you
10:23<mazze>Maulkin I will upload the bootchart to in a few minutes ...
10:23<octoserver>how can i get smartd working and check the status of drives? i cant find the packages
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10:25<octoserver>it seems they are installed
10:25<octoserver>shouldnt smartd be running or soething?
10:25<cahoot>look in /etc/default
10:26<cahoot>smartctl -a /dev/sda?
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10:28<octoserver>cahoot: what did that last command do ?
10:28<Sa[i]nT>Is there a terminal command that shows stats on my comp? Much like "dxdiag" on windows?
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10:29<octoserver>i have smartmontools in /etc/default but in the file it is not loading on startup, everything is REMed out
10:29<cahoot>octoserver: was supposed to list the info from smart
10:30<cahoot>octoserver: did you open /etc/default/smartmontools and edit to suit?
10:30<cahoot>octoserver: the comments tell you what to do - no?
10:30<octoserver>cahoot: no, i didnt, in fact if i run smartctl, i can just check the onfo stored on the disk drive?
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10:31<octoserver>cahoot: i never used smartmontools before, just assumed it was running automatically lol
10:31<amphi>Sa[i]nT: what stats? I use gkrellm here as a system monitor, but there are many
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10:32<octoserver>cahoot: oh cool, i see the overall health of my sda passed, hdb is the one I was courious about so I will see what info is on it :)
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10:33<Sa[i]nT>amphi, Comp stats, such as speed/ram/ all that.
10:33<octoserver>cahoot: is there alist of error codes to see what they are ?
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10:33<cahoot>I'd venture a look at the man page
10:34<octoserver>yea k :)
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10:34<amphi>Sa[i]nT: dmidecode gives quite a lot of info; otherwise lshw and so on
10:36<mazze>Maulkin I've put the svgz-File on . Could you please have a look at it? Perhaps you can give me a hint ...
10:38<mazze>Maulkin I've just the compressed File, and perhaps you should wget it, becaus Firefox seems to have a problem with that file ...
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10:59<mazze>Maulkin Were you able to read the svgz-File?
11:03<cahoot>mazze: why couldn't you paste an uncompressed file?
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11:04<mazze>cahoot I could, but is the compression making problems?
11:04<themill>blame udev.
11:04<mazze>you know, bootchart automatically compresses the file ....
11:05<cahoot>mazze: I'd guess most are reluctant to download
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11:05<themill>cahoot: svgz is pretty standard for svg files.
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11:07<mazze>now the uncompressed file is also available
11:07<mazze>cahoot and Firefox seems to be able to read now.
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11:08<cahoot>mazze: see themill's comment about udev
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11:09<mazze>themill could you tell me a bit more about udev making the problem? Did you have a look at the bootchart?
11:09<themill>mazze: what message do you see on screen while the long pause is happening?
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11:11<mazze>themill Last message before the gap is "input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /class/input/input7"
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11:12<mazze>But theoretically, it could have to do with the things just before, as "udev: renamed network interface wmaster0 to eth2" or ACPI-messages
11:12<mazze>or iwl3945-things
11:12<themill>yeah... not necessarily helpful. Are you running etch or lenny?
11:15<themill>It's not clear to me from the available info what's causing it to wait for so long. I suspect that it's waiting at line 273 of /etc/init.d/udev (at the "udev settle" command).
11:16<themill>But normally when things get stuck there, they wait for 3 minutes not 30 seconds.
11:18<cahoot>mazze: you have an iwl3945 and udev renames master0 to eth1 - that seems fishy
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11:19<cahoot>mazze: just for that reason I'd remove 70-persistent-network.rules
11:21<mazze_>cahoot sorry, I lost connection for short time. The last thing I got was /etc/init.d/udev at settling-time could make the problem. Why should I remove 70-persistent-network.rules?
11:21<cahoot>mazze: just for that reason I'd remove 70-persistent-network.rules
11:21<cahoot>mazze: you have an iwl3945 and udev renames master0 to eth1 - that seems fishy
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11:22<cahoot>mazze: by default iwl* devices get to be named wlan*
11:22<mazze_>cahoot Perhaps I'm not up-to-date with state-of-the-art Debian Technique: Where or what is 70-persistent-network.rules?
11:23<cahoot>mazze: /etc/udev/rules.d
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11:24<mazze_>cahoot Okay, I'll try to remove that file (it seemed to be generated automatically by write_net_rules)
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11:26<mazze_>cahoot This problem seems to be solved for now!
11:26<mazze_>Thank you all for your help!
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11:28<mazze_>Now, there is a different, much more difficult and annoying problem: After some random amount of time, the hald-instance that polls /dev/hdb (the cdrom-drive) runs crazy and freezes the machine nearly completely. You have to switch off the laptop.
11:28<mazze_>What could be a possible solution, apart of deactivating HAL completely?
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11:30<cahoot>one can disable polling for a specified device (powertop can tell you how) I don't know the syntax
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11:31<themill>take a look at hal-disable-polling (and its man page)
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11:31<asnoka>hello,anyone use xfce4?
11:31<Hideo>what is the point of hal btw, the first thing I always do is remove it, and I live just fine without hal
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11:33<jackyf>asnoka: I
11:34<asnoka>aha,jacky?i have compiled the xfce4 from source,but there is some menu without icons...
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11:37<tnks>hello all. What's a good command-line tool to fetch lyrics for a song?
11:37<tnks>(trying to set up a hook fora shell audio streamer)
11:38<mazze_>cahoot thank you. I tried now to stop HAL from polling /dev/hdb. Time will tell if this helps the problem going away.
11:38<mazze_>cahoot have a good time!
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11:53<enouf>try /Nickserv identify help or something
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11:54<enouf>Vixie: do /ns identify <your-password>
11:55<enouf>Once you're registered ofcourse
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11:58<mgoetze>depending on your irc client, that might be /quote ns instead of /ns
11:58<enouf>or just /NICKSERV ....
11:58<mgoetze>you mean /msg nickserv
11:58<enouf>when i recently just did above /ns identify <my-passwd> i noticed i got a +R for mode
11:59<enouf>right - my bad mgoetze
11:59<mgoetze>yes, now go try it with various other irc clients ;)
11:59<enouf>which under freenode options, means;
11:59<enouf>+R (quiet unidentified) This mode prevents users who are not identified with NickServ from speaking in the channel. Users will receive a server notice explaining this if they try to speak.
12:00<enouf>[11:52:39] Mode change "+R" for user enouf by enouf
12:00<mgoetze>i don't quite see how freenode is relevant here, they don't have the same ircd software
12:00<Hydroxide>yeah, modes other than the most standardized ones are different here
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12:01<mgoetze>anyway, please try to refrain from giving out advice which only works with your irc client on freenode
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12:07<Carlos>hay alguna chava a qui
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12:12<deref>Hi, does anyone know id the GATOS project for ati all-in-wonder cards is still being worked on? If not, is there a successor project?
12:13<grig>I have a new laptop. its wifi card (intel 5100) is supported by the kernel 2.6.27+
12:14<grig>what shoul I do? conpile my own kernel?
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12:15<deref>I'm pretty sure my laptop has the same wifi and I got it running with the latest testing version of etch
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12:16<grig>hmm. I have installed debian from NetInstall beta2 (kernel 2.6.26)
12:16<deref>I'm using 2.6.26-1-amd64
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12:17<deref>Did you get an HP?
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12:17<grig>dell studio 1737
12:18<mgoetze>deref: the latest testing version of etch became stable quite a while ago
12:18<mgoetze>deref: the current testing distribution is called lenny
12:20<RichiH>what's the syntax for telling BTS i can confirm bug #123 in version 3.2.1?
12:21<themill>[17:20] <dpkg> it has been said that iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Also ask about <iwlagn firmware>. Use a Debian kernel snapshot to acquire for <testing> systems.
12:21<RichiH>found #123 3.2.1, innit?
12:21<deref>mgoetze, thanks for that, i'm sorry that's what I meant. grig I'm using lenny
12:21<grig>deref: me too, that's what NetInstall beta2 is based on
12:21<Hydroxide>RichiH: has a link to the syntax guide. found is the right command, which you send to control@. you'll need to check that guide for the exact syntax.
12:22<grig>deref: is there a 'iwlagn' string in your lsmod output un kernel 2.6.26?
12:22<mgoetze>now, where is dpkg so i can tell it to tell grig how to compile his own kernel?
12:23<themill>RichiH: leave out the #. See
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12:23<Hydroxide>themill: yeah, I had forgotten the exact URL but knew it was a click away from the URL I gave. thanks for looking it up :)
12:23<RichiH>Hydroxide, themill: thanks
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12:24<themill>mgoetze: dpkg had a big night last night and didn't show up for work today. Who knows where he ended up.
12:24*RichiH never knew how much work triaging a whole software product is when compared to mere feature/topic-specific triage
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12:25<deref>grig: did you install the firmware-iwlwifi package?
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12:26<grig>deref: no. is it required for the module to load?
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12:27<mgoetze>firestone: i got it first :P
12:27<RichiH>firestone: /part
12:27<deref>I'm pretty sure that's the debian package that contains all the intel wireless wifi drivers. Before lenny, I had to install the drivers from
12:28<mgoetze>RichiH: are you still doing zsh?
12:28<themill>grig: what's lspci -nn for that card?
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12:30<themill>grig: In that case there is nothing in debian that will make that card work -- no kernel modules and no firmware. yet. Follow the instructions at to get it working.
12:30<grig>themill: thanks a lot
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12:32<themill>no worries
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12:36<deref>Anyone know if there is any current support for the ATI All-In-Wonder tv tuner cards? I found the GATOS project, but it looks like it is dead. I'm wondering if there is a current project that has taken over. If not how would I go about trying to get that project rolling again (I am experienced in C/C++, but not with drivers)?
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12:37<ThibG>I was trying to install debian testing on a laptop from a netinst image on an usb key
12:38<ThibG>the wireless card was discovered, and the debian installer asked me a firmware: isl3886
12:39<deref>... If I am in the wrong channel or am not asking my question correctly can someone point me in the right direction (I am rather new to Linux in general)?
12:40<ThibG>then, I've found the file on the internet, and it didn't work...
12:40<Tarcas>deref: If nobody answers, it may be that nobody knows the answer. You might look for a development channel who would know more about the process, but my recommendation for the answer to support is to google it.
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12:41<ThibG>so, the installer loaded the firmware, but it didn't associate with the AP
12:42<deref>Thank you Tarcas, I'll keep looking then.
12:42<ThibG>the network card is a CardBus WG511
12:42<Tarcas>deref, sorry I couldn't be more help. Good luck.
12:43<ThibG>I've googled, found 2 others firmware, tried each one, and it didn't work
12:45<deref>That's ok Tarcas, I'm just looking to contribute to debian in some way... I think it's the best!
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13:11<Katt>I have some strange problems with debian I have no idea how to fix. I wondered if I could get some help here.
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13:13<ThibG>what kind of problems ?
13:14<Tarcas>...what happened to the dpkg bot? Anyway, go ahead and ask your question Katt. There's no reason to ask for permission to ask.
13:14<abrotman>bot is taking the day off
13:14<Katt>Well, seems like I just fixed one of them, but the other one is still puzzeling
13:14<Tarcas>on holiday? ;-)
13:14<Katt>Forgot I had mac filtering on our home network, but anyway
13:14<Tarcas>What's the matter?
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13:15<Katt>I just installed lenny on my laptop. I've been using lenny a long time on my workstation, but I've used Mint 4 for quite some time on my laptop. Decided it was time to get lenny on it too. It's got no cd-rom and the internal wireless is broken, litteraly. I have a usb-dongle though, which worked perfectly in mint 4, but lenny seems to just not load it at all.
13:16<Katt>I know the drivers to the wireless dongle is in the kernel
13:16<mgoetze>hm? what's mint 4?
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13:16<abrotman>mint is a distro based on ubuntu
13:16<Katt>Linux Mint, based on ubuntu
13:16<Katt>Quite nice
13:16<Katt>Used it a long time ago
13:16<abrotman>Katt: do you know the chipset in the usb device?
13:17<Katt>abrotman: I know the exact name of the driver
13:17<abrotman>which is?
13:17<abrotman>oh ffs
13:17<abrotman><dpkg> from memory, zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets ( Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package in <non-free>). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. #zd1211 @
13:17<Katt>So yeah, it's in the kernel.
13:18<abrotman>you need to plug your system into the network to get the firmware
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13:18<abrotman>or put that package on a CD/USB drive
13:18<Tarcas>Try modprobing it. Just because it's available doesn't mean that the distro includes it by default.
13:18<abrotman>judd: versions zd1211-firmware
13:18<judd>abrotman: zd1211-firmware -- etch/non-free: lenny/non-free: sid/non-free:
13:18<abrotman>it needs the firmware
13:18<Katt>I see it now
13:18<Katt>Mint uses non-free drivers
13:18<Katt>Just a minute, gonna fetch it
13:19<Katt>Had to plug the laptop into the router with cable
13:20<abrotman>good plan!
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13:20<Tarcas>Always the best way to get reliable networking. Copper FTW
13:20<Katt>I love cable
13:20<Katt>I would never switch to wireless on my workstation
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13:21<Tarcas>Ditto. And I'm a CCNA... or was this time last year.
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13:21<Katt>I've been struggeling with another problem for ages now which I just fixed
13:21<Katt>Only got lan, no wan
13:21<mgoetze>i did, i'm too lazy to run a cable around my doorframe
13:21<Katt>Untill I remember my network filters mac-adresses
13:21<abrotman>wlan you mean ?
13:21<Katt>And I've never used my laptops ethernet
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13:23<Katt>Ok, driver loaded
13:23<Katt>Seems like it works so far
13:24<Tarcas>yay for having non-free available. Boo for not having any warning that you may need it, or how to add the sources if you don't know already.
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13:24<Katt>Yeah. Breaks installing too.
13:24<Katt>From miniimages
13:25<Tarcas>what does?
13:25<abrotman>lack of firmware in the installer
13:25<Tarcas>ah. Does it at least show a useful message telling you why it failed?
13:26<Katt>Error -2
13:26<Katt>Is all I got.
13:26<Katt>Which said pretty much nothing.
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13:26<Katt>Hmm, my usb-dongle says it's eth2
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13:26<Katt>Does not sound very right
13:27<Tarcas>useful... Somebody needs a Human-Computer Interaction class.
13:27<Katt>Gonna reboot
13:27<Tarcas>Good luck.
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13:28<Katt>Quite fast boot
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13:35<dima1236>hello all
13:36<dima1236>anyone could help me with iptables in debian ?
13:36<pshlos>hi all. is there any way to mount a k770i mobile?
13:36<dima1236>i am trieng to do POSTROUTING , that all traffic matching uid will go trhow specifiec ip
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13:37<mgoetze>pshlos: try apt-cache search bluez
13:37<mgoetze>dima1236: now check that last sentence and see how it contradicts itself
13:37<mgoetze>dima1236: especially the word "POSTROUTNIG" and the latter bits
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13:40<Aidono>i'm using 2.6.26-1-ixp4xx
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13:40<Aidono>i'm on a linksys nslu2 with two usb ports
13:40<Aidono>( hi all by the way)
13:40<Aidono>i'm trying to modify fstab to use label or uuid, but i'm a bit stuck
13:40<pshlos>mgoetze : is there anyway without bluetooth? i'm on a desktop without bluetooth/wifi
13:40<Aidono>problem is when i startup with flash (boot , with root fs) AND hdd plugged in, my system doesnt boot
13:40<Aidono>i hope modding fstab would fix this
13:41<dima1236>mgoetze i dont know what is POSTROUTING is , i just find guide that says it does what i need , but acutally it doesnt
13:41<Aidono>can someone lend a hand
13:41<dima1236>could you help me ?
13:41<mgoetze>dima1236: POSTROUTING only applies when the kernel has already decided where the packet is going
13:42<mgoetze>dima1236: anyway, you need to give a better description of your problem
13:42<dima1236>mgoetze i have 2 lan cards
13:42<mgoetze>Aidono: so, have you labelled your filesystems?
13:43<dima1236>each card have its own ip
13:43<Aidono>yes i did
13:43<dima1236>i just need to split half users to one lan card and half to other
13:43<Aidono>there are four partitions ;two on flash and two on hdd
13:44<Aidono>flash is ext3 and swap; hdd is ext3 and ntfs
13:44<mgoetze>Aidono: then just replace "/dev/sda1" or whatever with "LABEL=root" or something like that
13:44<mgoetze>dima1236: for loadbalancing, or is it a policy issue?
13:45<enouf>!split access
13:45<enouf>!shared access
13:45<mgoetze>dima1236: you shouldn't do that with iptables, then
13:45<dima1236>i dont know how do it
13:45<dima1236>at all
13:46<Aidono>mgoetze :
13:46<enouf>!split access
13:46<enouf> [dpkg] from memory, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing,, or
13:46<Aidono>this is my fstab
13:46<Aidono>I changed to uuid because it got nowhere with Label and I wasn't sure about the label of the ntfs-partition
13:47<mgoetze>Aidono: so, what does it do if you 'mount -a'?
13:47<dima1236>mgoetze any ideas how to do it ?
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13:48<mgoetze>dima1236: see those links from enouf
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13:49<Aidono>mount -a : everything gets mounted :)
13:49<mgoetze>well, that sounds good then, what's the problem?
13:49<Aidono>but should i reboot now, i"m shure it doesn"t work
13:49<Aidono>i will try now, moment
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13:50<Aidono>are there any bootlogs i can activate before i reboot ?
13:50<mgoetze>well, will the root= parameter you pass to the kernel work?
13:50<mgoetze>i think you can also pass it root=UUID=something
13:51<Aidono>and all this in fstab you mean, right ?
13:51<mgoetze>that's in your bootloader
13:51<mgoetze>i think the nslu uses redboot?
13:51<mgoetze>anyway, i know very little about it
13:51<Aidono>yes, redboot
13:52<mgoetze>you might want to have a look at the nslu2 wiki
13:52<Aidono>but i will try, just doing a fast backup op my flash memory first
13:52<Aidono>i started with the wiki where i found info about labels and uuid, but now im stuck
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13:54<Aidono>rebooting now
13:55<Aidono>thats a good tip, i'll google redbook also some if needed
13:55<Aidono>reboot didn't work, device just sits there, i'm gonna unplug hdd and reboot
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13:58<dima1236>how do i check version of the kernel ?
13:58<blarson>dima1236: uname -a
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13:59<abrotman>cat /proc/version
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14:07<Aidono>about the backup : i just did "cat /dev/mtdblock? > mtd-backup"
14:07<Aidono>how do i locate the backupfile 'mtd-backup' ?
14:07<Aidono>its not in root or /dev
14:08<ONE_PATE>do you think debian will work on a PEntium 1 with 133 mhz, and 16 mb ram??
14:08<mgoetze>well, what directory were you in when you did that
14:08<mgoetze>ONE_PATE: yup
14:08<Aidono>ok, thx,will go ther
14:08<mgoetze>ONE_PATE: i wouldn't install GNOME or KDE, though ;)
14:08<ONE_PATE>mgoetze, yes this was my next question, wicht desktiop envirnment will work
14:09<abrotman>ONE_PATE: 16MB not so much
14:09<mgoetze>ONE_PATE: well seriously i think 16mb is not enough for a graphical interface
14:09<abrotman>AFAIK .. etch installer may not kick off on 16MB
14:10<ONE_PATE>abrotman, that mean i cant install debain?
14:10<mgoetze>sure you can still install debian
14:10<ONE_PATE>mgoetze, yes but windows 98 work with an great gui
14:10<abrotman>you just might need to use an older version and then upgrade from there
14:10<ONE_PATE>and there will be somethin in linux maybe to
14:10<abrotman>win98 does not work great with 16MB
14:11<mgoetze>find a live cd that boots and do a grml-debootstrap
14:11<abrotman>mgoetze: you assume a p133 can boot off a CD
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14:12<Aidono><mr goetze> thx for feedback, i'm also in #debian-arm and i got some instructions about updating the kernel
14:12<mgoetze>well, i seem to remember being able to boot from CDs around then, but maybe it was already the 450MHz era, dunno
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14:12<Aidono>fingers crossed
14:12<mgoetze>Aidono: sure, np
14:12<abrotman>it's bios dependent
14:12<ONE_PATE>ok a gui is not important
14:12<ONE_PATE>when i have the bash and internet then al is perfekt :-)
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14:12<Aidono>just saying : i'm running debian on an arm-processor 266Mhz with 32MB ram
14:12<mgoetze>anyway, on my lenny desktop, the X server has an RSS of 36MB, so...
14:13<abrotman>Aidono: right, and i have a 486 with 36MB running debian also .. notice something in common? more than 16MB of ram
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14:14<ONE_PATE>and the next problem how i bring debain on this mashine because it hasnt a cd rom or so
14:14<ONE_PATE>but i can built out the hd and connect with an ide-->usb adapter
14:14<ONE_PATE>on a other pc
14:14<mgoetze>ONE_PATE: google for grml-deboostrap
14:15<mgoetze>er, grml-debootstrap
14:15<ONE_PATE>what is it?
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14:15<ONE_PATE>grml is a live cd i know but what is -deboostrap
14:16<mgoetze>debootstrap is a program for unpacking a debian base system
14:16<mgoetze>grml-debootstrap just adds a bit of configuration
14:16<ONE_PATE>hm and what i have to do exactly
14:16<ONE_PATE>my englsih is not so god
14:17<mgoetze>google will tell you
14:17<mgoetze>und wenn du fragen hast probier
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14:18<ONE_PATE>ok cool bist du da auch? oder kannst du mir im query helfen?
14:18<mgoetze>bin auch da
14:20<Aidono>(mr goetze) just info : everyting ok now; the bootimage got updated and my device reflashed with it
14:20<Aidono>thx again
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14:28<pshlos>how can i mount my k770i mobile phone via usb cable?(i don't have bluetooth on my pc)
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14:29<mrvn>pshlos: does it show up as usb storage device? then mount /dev/sdXY
14:30<pshlos>almost all sony ericsson don't. they show as modem devices
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14:31<mrvn>probably helps when you want to use the internet over them :)
14:31<GNR>I think they both work, modem + storage dev
14:32<pshlos>but there's another prob then. i don't see any sdXY device in /dev dir . Y?
14:32<lvdave>Question: Am running Debian4, have installed build-essential, need to build something that requires automake 1.10. Did apt-get install automake, apt-get reports the automake I installed WAS 1.10.. however when I run the script, it tells me I have 1.9.6 and need 1.10.. Have apt-get remove/apt-get installed several times, did a find on the system to see if the other version is in the path.. only finds the apt-get'ed one... What AM I doi
14:32<pshlos>i can't even mount my usb flash stick
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14:33<GNR>pshlos what desktop enviroment do you use
14:33<mrvn>lvdave: you might need to call automake-1.10 if you need a specific version
14:33<pshlos>blackbox. but don't think this has something to do with that
14:33<lvdave>mrvn: you mean compile automake from source>
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14:34<GNR>pshlos, it is just that gnome automatically mounts fat/ntfs devices from usb
14:35<abrotman>lvdave: update-alternatives
14:35<pshlos>GNR: there must b a device 1st to mount it.
14:36<Hideo>pshlos: fdisk -l ?
14:36<lvdave>apt-get update-alternates??
14:36<GNR>yes, does it appear in lsusb as storage?
14:36<abrotman>lvdave: it's a command .. man update-alternatives ..
14:36<U-boot92>happy new year
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14:46<christoph>Hi all! I have set up trac (SCM) on my server and this is now somewhat messed up. I moved the tracenv to my local box to check it there (both are running lenny) and locally everythings fine
14:46<christoph>so I purged and reinstalled trac on the server as the error was not in my local config but this did not help
14:46<christoph>any ideas?
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14:48<mgoetze>christoph: maybe a problem with your webserver configuration?
14:48<christoph>both stock apache2
14:48<charlotte>Hello. I have a problem with sound on Debian Lenny. My soundcard isn't recognised on boot. When I run alsaconf and select the correct card, I do have sound. But after a reboot it's gone again
14:49<charlotte>How do I make sound work even after a reboot?
14:49<cahoot>alsa-utils installed?
14:49<christoph>mgoetze, I could diff both configs I guess
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14:50<cahoot>charlotte: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one ?
14:50<charlotte>cahoot: No, two
14:51<cahoot>charlotte: run asoundconf and set the one you want as default
14:51<charlotte>cahoot: as root I presume?
14:52<christoph>mgoetze, apache config is bit-identical
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14:53<charlotte>cahoot: And after that, do I `/etc/init.d/alsa force-reload` or something?
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14:53<cahoot>charlotte: no need
14:55<charlotte>cahoot: After running `asoundconf set-default-card` it still doesn't work. Should I first use alsaconf to get sound working, then asoundconf to mark it as default?
14:55<christoph>mgoetze, the only difference is the SSL setup online
14:55<cahoot>charlotte: what two cards are there?
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14:56<christoph>but it once worked (until some coadmin flooded the hdd)
14:56<charlotte>cahoot: asoundconf says HDMI and UART
14:57<cahoot>charlotte: what two cards are there - cat /proc/asound/cards
14:57<k6>Hi, I can't understand why I can't get any symbol from my : nm: /lib/ no symbols
14:57<charlotte>HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI and MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART. Strange thing is that alsaconf says there are four soundcards in my system. When I pick the Nvidia one it works
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14:59<cahoot>charlotte: so only after choosing nvidia in alsaconf you get a working sounddevice?
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15:00<charlotte>cahoot: Yes
15:00<cahoot>charlotte: I wonder waht device offers HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
15:00<charlotte>cahoot: I have no idea. I have an ASUS A8N-SLI motherboard
15:01<charlotte>cahoot: I have no separate soundcard. I use the on-board stuff
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15:01<cahoot>charlotte: I *guess' the onboard is the nvidia thingie
15:02<charlotte>cahoot: I think so too, but why isn't it there after a reboot?
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15:02<cahoot>charlotte: I guess some other device also loads snd-hda-intel
15:03<cahoot>charlotte: or makes the system load snd-hda-intel
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15:04<charlotte>cahoot: This is weird. I just ran alsaconf and picked the Nvidia soundcard. Sound now works. /proc/asound/cards now says NFORCE - NVidia CK804
15:04<cahoot>charlotte: which then gets to be the default soundcard
15:04<charlotte>cahoot: The other soundcards have disappeared
15:04<cahoot>charlotte: as the only card?
15:04<charlotte>cahoot: `asoundconf list` also only lists the CK804 now
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15:07<cahoot>charlotte: no tv card or such?
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15:08<charlotte>cahoot: No, none.
15:10<cahoot>cat /proc/asound/modules - only hda-intel?
15:10<charlotte>cahoot: it says " 0 snd_intel8x0"
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15:12<cahoot>wonder where your HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI and MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 came from - I'm confused
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15:13<charlotte>cahoot: me too. It used to work out-of-the-box on Etch
15:13<cahoot>charlotte: as you understand I've no real solution to the original problem you had
15:14<charlotte>cahoot: Even stranger, I have another Lenny install made a couple of months ago (d-i alpha 1 IIRC) that also work OOB
15:14<charlotte>cahoot: I'll try a mailinglist then. Thanks anyway!
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15:15<enouf>charlotte: poke through the files in /etc/modprobe.d/* .. like sound - what's in them
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15:15<Zoup>xterm question , with scrollTtyOutput turned off terminal does not reset to exact buttom of page , but just miss place on outputs , how to avoid this ?
15:16<charlotte>enouf: Thanks. Will do.
15:16<enouf>charlotte: ensure alsa-utils and alsa-oss are installed and snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss are loaded in lsmod
15:16<charlotte>enouf: I have to visit my parents now so I'll have another look at it later
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15:16<enouf>charlotte: ok, i gotta run too ;-)
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15:22<oscar>how can i to test if my card graphic has a good service
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15:26<oscar>why when i execute the compiz , the windows lost the edge
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15:29<oscar>i want to use the monitor with my tv
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15:51<rajeshsr>is it possible to get a public host name for my home system?
15:52<blarson>rajeshsr: Do you have a static IP?
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15:52<rajeshsr>no via dhcp
15:53<rajeshsr>blarson: I mean the address is assigned via dhcp and hence dynamic
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15:54<rajeshsr>googling about it also didn't help much!
15:54<blarson>rajeshsr: Then the best you could do is via dyndns or it's compeditors.
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15:55<mgoetze>you can get a static IPv6 easily
15:55<blarson>(assuming your isp isn't always giving you eth same ip via dhcp.)
15:56<rajeshsr>blarson: I will check that site. thanks.
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15:56<rajeshsr>mgoetze, can you enligten more on this?
15:57<mgoetze>note, however, that most people won't be able to reach you via IPv6 yet...
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15:58<rajeshsr>mogoetze, well am not so very much aware about networking. Am actually experimenting with networking! So woudl definitely check that!
15:59<mgoetze>have fun :)
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16:07<Zoup>how can i fix alt + cursor key issue with xterm ?
16:07<Zoup>( eightBitInput is off )
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16:12<blal>Can I set up my Atheros-using Debian box as a WPA2 access point *without using hostapd*?
16:13<mrvn>.oO( Now can I try flying without parachute? )
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16:14<blal>An alternative to hostapd is fine with me, smartass. hostapd isn't compatible w/ madwifi drivers. I get EAPOL-Key timeouts instead of successful 4-way handshakes.
16:16<k6>Where can I find libc symbols?
16:16<grig>is there any reason to take the trouble to build fglrx packages? I'm not going to play games.
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16:17<grig>maybe I'll install compiz, to demonstrate the level of eye-candy under Linux
16:17<mrvn>k6: nm, objdump
16:17<amphi>k6: libc6-dbg you mean?
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16:19<k6>I have : nm: /lib/ no symbols
16:19<mrvn>That is a linker script
16:19<k6>mrvn, so where can I find system symbol?
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16:21<mrvn>sorry, confused that with /usr/lib/
16:22<mrvn>objdump -T /lib/
16:22<mrvn>lots of symbols there.
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16:22<mrvn>or nm /usr/lib/libc.a
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16:23<reece>hey how can i get access to my windows hd from debian lenny
16:23<k6>mrvn : oh, thank you a LOT :)
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16:24<mrvn>reece: apt-get install ntfs-3g
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16:24<reece>already done that
16:24<reece>hmmm will it matter that i havn't restarted?
16:24<mrvn>then just mount it.
16:25<reece>just says invalid operation when trying to mount
16:25<mrvn>you might have to specify the filesystem type on mount though
16:25<reece>Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume
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16:25<barnes>reece that restart thingy you got use to with windows is not needed on linux if you havent updated the kernel
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16:26<mrvn>reece: what is your commandline?
16:26<k6>hm I needed the nm -D option
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16:27<mrvn>no, the command you type in
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16:28<reece>mkdir -p /mnt/windows
16:28<reece>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
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16:28<mrvn>reece: 22:25 < mrvn> you might have to specify the filesystem type on mount though
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16:29<mgoetze>i thought ntfs-3g isn't meant to be used with the mount command
16:29<mgoetze>it being some fuse thingy
16:29<mgoetze>so just rtfm ;)
16:29<mrvn>mgoetze: it provides a mount plugin
16:30<reece>now i dont have permission to view the windows folder
16:30<mrvn>Die koennten trozdem schon bei der Abreise einen abweisen.
16:31<mrvn>reece: obviously. only root has unless you say otherwise.
16:31<reece>when I go to computer when windows isnt mounted i can see the hd there just not access it
16:31<mrvn>RTFM for all the options you want/need
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16:46<chowduh>hey. any way to save an audio stream?
16:47<Knorrie>vlc? mimms?
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16:58<Tarcas>chowduh, you could probably redirect it to a file.
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16:58<chowduh>redirect what?
16:59<Knorrie>chowduh: vlc can save everything you play
16:59<chowduh>oh... i cant seem to get it installed
16:59<chowduh>broken dependencies
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17:02<Tarcas>Chowduh: Get what installed? You were asking about saving an audiostream.
17:03<Tarcas>oh, n/m. I hadn't read Knorrie's line
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17:13<Vanished>Hi there, I'm in search of a program wich can make us able to advance a movie picture per picture (like virtual dub for example) ?
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17:15<CR_>not sure: cinelerra, blender
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17:16<amphi>Vanished: frame by frame? mplayer can do that (.)
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17:18<Vanished>mplayer can do this ? Isn't 10sec by 10sec ?
17:18<amphi>. is frame by frame if I recall correctly
17:19<amphi>yeah, single frame - I checked the man page
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17:20<mory>ciao a todos
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17:25<Vanished>yes amphi you're right ^^, thank's for your answers
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17:38<kuber>I'm trying to add a user to the adm group, but after I do it (using usermod -a G) the user is shown in the groups file, but the 'groups' command doesn't show the new group, and i cant access files which require this group.. it's the adm group
17:38<jkoenig>you must log out and back in
17:38<kuber>ah, even from x?
17:39<jkoenig>yes, the group memberships are granted at that time.
17:39<kuber>thanks :)
17:39<stroyan>newgrp could also be used to change groups to ones that you allowed.
17:40<Knorrie>stroyan: nice, didn't know that cmd
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18:54<enouf>amphi: mia since much earlier :-/
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18:56<tracy>i need help
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18:58<abrotman>tracy: so ask away
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19:01<amphi>enouf: today? or since days?
19:01<enouf>amphi: not sure here on
19:02<amphi>this is here
19:02<tracy>ok well i need to know how to set up an ftp to go to my database
19:03<mgoetze>databases don't do ftp, generally speaking
19:04<abrotman>i think he means an ftp server that would use a database for authentication
19:06<mgoetze>in any case some details would be appropriate
19:06<mgoetze>(as in, what database...)
19:06<abrotman>unless they mean to store files in a database
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19:10<tracy>ya thath
19:11<enouf>amphi: sorry - phone, i meant i haven't tried for a while here until a few hours ago (or more)? earlier today .. so i'm not sure when dpkg signed off "here"! :-)
19:11*mgoetze has a feeling tracy doesn't really want any help
19:11<abrotman>did anyone tell don ?
19:12<mgoetze>dpkg left about 21 hours ago, after being connect for just 2 and a half hours
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19:16<themill>abrotman: he's away.
19:16<abrotman>that doesn't mean you can say "don: the bot died a long time ago" .. at least once
19:18<mgoetze>dondelelcaro: ^^
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19:22<octoserver>what bot do we use in here?
19:23<themill>octoserver: the one that's still hung over from last night's celebrations
19:23<octoserver>bobot++? blootbot?
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19:27<customer>do they have a support chat for debian 5.0 yet
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19:27<mgoetze>customer: who is "they"?
19:28<themill>abrotman: aiui, the projects have merged back with the blootbot codebase being adopted with the infobot name.
19:28<abrotman>customer: this is it
19:28<customer>like this one
19:28<abrotman>themill: dpkg is still a blootbot
19:28<customer>ok sorry
19:28<themill>abrotman: /msg dpkg what are you
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19:29<octoserver>the blootbot data base is mysql right ?
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19:30<mgoetze>linuxman410: anyway, if you need any support, you'll have to ask a question
19:30<abrotman>that's crazy talk!
19:31<octoserver>you hae to have the data base set upand ready to connnect to before you can --configure blootbot it seems right?
19:31<abrotman>don't think you have to .. been awhile since i mucked with it
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19:32<octoserver>are there generic databases for it that you can use and play around with?
19:32<abrotman>when you isntall it, it should create the DB . then you can play with it all you like
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19:40<octoserver>do i have to have mysql-server installed first before usnig the bots database right ?
19:40<newsense>is it better to have /tmp on an ext2 partition over ext3 ?
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19:42<linuxman410>flash is in debian 5.0 but video will not play
19:43<linuxman410>any suggestion on how to fix
19:43<deniz>how do i make a touchpad mouse only click when I press the click button? (I want to disable the click feature of when i touch the touchpad without motion to move the cursor)
19:43<Tarcas>newsense: Depends on how you use /tmp. ext2 is a little faster, and since you don't care how stable /tmp is, that might be a good tradeoff.
19:44<linuxman410>computer is p4 1.8 and 256 ddr ram
19:44<newsense>just reading some docs and it was suggested just wondering what the wrld of debian thought of this, thanks
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19:45<Tarcas>I don't know what the official stance is. I use ext3 for mine, of course it's on the / partition anyway.
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19:53<Garp>Question: Seems that I'm not the only one to have seen hios machine hanging on the last leap second insertion... Does anybody have any news about this? Thanks.
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19:57<oipunx>where is dpkg ? :(
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19:59<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: your babies are MIA
20:00<enouf>oipunx: whatcha want to know?
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20:01<canros>hey guys
20:01<oipunx>enouf: thx, what is the difference between nvidia-glx-ia32 and nvidia-glx?
20:02<oipunx>ia32 is for itanium?
20:02<mgoetze>itanium is 64-bit
20:02<enouf>oipunx: well ... the -ia32 is likely meant for the amd64 arch
20:02<enouf>oipunx: no
20:03<enouf>ia64 arch is itanium only - ia32 means x86_32 basically
20:03<enouf>oipunx: there;s an ia32-libs pkg for the amd64 arch - amd64 arch is x86_64/em64t .. same same
20:04<enouf>>enouf< search dpkg
20:04<enouf>[19:59:20] [dpkg] Pick my brains at or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
20:04<gsimmons>deniz: Set MaxTapTime to 0 for the synaptics driver in xorg.conf.
20:04<oipunx>enouf: so I want the ia32 package for and intel quad4?
20:04<enouf>oipunx: you see what i just pasted?
20:04<oipunx>enouf: yes
20:04<enouf>oipunx: only if you install/use the amd64 arch on installation AND want to use the 32bit nvidia blob
20:05<enouf>oipunx: is my best guess
20:05<abrotman>ia32 isn't amd64
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20:05<enouf>oipunx: see
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20:05<enouf>ofcourse it isn't
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20:07<deniz>gsimmons, where is xorg.conf ? i dont think it's etc/xorg.conf
20:07<oipunx>enouf: that wiki does not mention anything about 64 bit, and I'm kinda confused about what nvidia package to install
20:07<gsimmons>deniz: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:08<deniz>gsimmons, thx
20:08<enouf>* dep: ia32-libs ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems
20:08<enouf>oipunx: which arch is installed? uname -r says?
20:09<deniz>gsimmons, i add MaxTapTime=0 at the bottom?
20:09<oipunx>enouf: amd-64
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20:09<enouf>oipunx: you can search the wiki too ;-)
20:09<oipunx>I did search for nvidia on the wiki
20:09<enouf>oipunx: i'm pretty sure there's a 64bit version (amd64) of the nvidia driver
20:10<enouf>and .. note, somethings that are x86 can and do run on ia64 (through an emulation mode of sorts .. but it's rare, IINM)
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20:12<oipunx>enouf: thx for the pointers I'm reading now :)
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20:13<gsimmons>deniz: No. Include within an "InputDevice" section specifically involving the synaptics driver. If you don't have one, you'll need to add it yourself; the synaptics driver does not support auto-configuration at this time. See /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.Debian.gz.
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20:15<enouf>oipunx: if you look at "Package nvidia-glx-ia32" here§ion=all , you'll notice it's only available for the amd64 arch
20:16<enouf>oipunx: same for all -ia32 pkgs listed on that page
20:17<oipunx>enouf: ok, but I still don't get which one to install, the normal glx or the glx-ia32
20:18<amphi>oipunx: apt-cache shows nvidia-glx here, on amd64 - that would appear to be the correct one
20:18<amphi>although I'm naive WRT matters of such high blobbery
20:20<amphi>binary blob drivers and so on
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20:27<oipunx>can someone clarify this sentence for me, "Please also note that using a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland won't let NVidia drivers work properly. "
20:27<oipunx>what do they mean by 32 bit userland?
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20:27<oipunx>I'm reading that from
20:28<oipunx>32 bit userland as in the 32 bit glx driver?
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20:29<enouf>oipunx: yep - kind of
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20:30<oipunx>enouf: so from what I understand reading that section, if I compile my own kernel, the only package I would need would be nvidia-kernel-source, correct?
20:30<enouf>oipunx: it means ... if you have a 64bit capable CPU, and you install the i386 arch (which you did *not*) , you could use a amd64 kernel - but your i386 arch makes all your EXE (binaries, ELFs) 32bit == userland ;-)
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20:31<enouf>oipunx: it means ... if you have a 64bit capable CPU (which you do have), and you installed the i386 arch (which you did not do) , so don't worry about it ;-)
20:31<enouf>oipunx: file/bin/ls says?
20:31<oipunx>enouf: ok I understand that now, thanks :)
20:32<enouf>oipunx: er file /bin/ls says?
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20:32<oipunx>enouf: 64 bit :P
20:32<enouf>oipunx: mine's 32bit (i386)
20:32<enouf> /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
20:32<oipunx>yep, mine's 64 :)
20:33<oipunx>enouf: now so from what I understand reading that section, if I compile my own kernel, the only package I would need would be nvidia-kernel-source, correct?
20:33<enouf>er .. no .. you need the -glx stuff too .. but ..
20:33<oipunx>it would build the package nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx for me
20:33<oipunx>according to that paragraph
20:34<enouf>oipunx: the -glx stuff is the opengl userland libraries - the other is the kernel module
20:34<oipunx>enouf: "Install the created nvidia-kernel-*.deb, nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev to get everything setup correctly."
20:34<oipunx>it says the created
20:34<oipunx>so I assume it builds for me
20:34<enouf>oipunx: well, yes, using module-assistant will create a nice .deb for you
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20:35<oipunx>ah ok
20:35<enouf>however it can also a-i (auto install)
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20:36<oipunx>enouf: thanks for making it clear :P
20:36<enouf>oipunx: ;-)
20:37<enouf>you better not be using ubuntu
20:37<oipunx>enouf: hell no
20:37<octoserver>what was the command to reconfigure a package like it does during install ?
20:37<enouf>(nor some other mutant variant ;-))
20:37<enouf>octoserver: dpkg-reconfigure <something>
20:38<octoserver>oh yea thanks :)
20:38<enouf>octoserver: install the configure-debian pkg ;-)
20:38*gravity blinks
20:38<enouf>octoserver: it'll list all the pkgs that can/are configured through debconf that way
20:38*enouf waves ;-)
20:39<enouf>you da man!
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20:45<oipunx>wb dpkg
20:45<oipunx>or ...
20:45<oipunx>dpkg: wb
20:45<dpkg>thanks, oipunx. It's good to be back.
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21:24<k6>What is the difference between /lib/i686/cmov/ and /lib/ ?
21:25<k6>ok ! :)
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21:25<k6>thanks :)
21:27<k6>How can I know which libc my system is using ?
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21:30<enouf>k6: dpkg -l libc6
21:30<enouf>k6: notice
21:30<enouf>~$ ll /lib/i686/cmov/
21:30<enouf>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2008-09-07 09:38 /lib/i686/cmov/ ->
21:31<enouf>optimization .. haha
21:31<mgoetze>enouf: uhm, your point?
21:31<k6>... I think enouf is misunderstanding
21:32<mgoetze>k6: have a look at the manpages for ldconfig and ldd
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21:32<k6>mgoetze, i ll take your advice, thanks
21:33<enouf>mgoetze: how is it an optimization?
21:33<enouf>they;re both symlinks
21:33<mgoetze>enouf: it uses cpu instructions not available on, say, a 486
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21:34<mgoetze>enouf: and most files in lib directories are symlinks, i don't see how that has anything to do with it
21:34<amphi>mgoetze: ah, thus its absence on amd64
21:34<enouf>mgoetze: my bad, i finally ran readlink -f and followed each
21:35<enouf>mgoetze: ahh.. the cmov flag - i see now
21:35<mgoetze>amphi: don't worry, i'm sure amd64 will have something similar in 10 years or so ;)
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21:37<enouf>mgoetze: and one day, intel will decide to put the memory controller ondie :-P
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21:39<amphi>mgoetze: no doubt ;)
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21:47<ike>is there a chan for ppc/ps3?
21:47<ike>im having some minor difficulties
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21:48<ike>like the kernel not booting
21:48<gsimmons>ike: Try asking in #debianppc on this network.
21:48<ike>self compiled on that is
21:48<ike>k thanks
21:50<k6>mgoetze, sorry to bother you but I can't determine why my system prefer using cmov libc instead of base libc ?
21:52<k6>I do a basic "ldd myprog", it shows me " => /lib/i686/cmov/". <= where this information comes from?
21:52<abrotman>k6: dpkg -l libc6* .. how many do you have ?
21:52<mgoetze>from /etc/
21:53<k6>mgoetze, thanks again :)
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21:53<abrotman>or don't answer me ..
21:54<mgoetze>abrotman: i'm guess he has two, see backlog
21:55<abrotman>nope .. not caring anymore :)
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22:04<RIVE>Hi, good evenning.
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22:05<RIVE>Supaplex, enjoy 2009 :-)
22:06<Supaplex>I will really enjoy it in about 55min when I'm off work.
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22:06<bono>for snacker coffe
22:06<RIVE>Will be a little late, but enjoy.
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22:21<tracy>im bored
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22:25<tracy>hey are any of you gusy in the internet security field
22:26<mgoetze>no, the internet was deemed secure last month, everyone who was working on it is now unemployed
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22:26<tracy>your so stupid i hate sarcasm
22:27<mgoetze>i hate people incapable of forming grammatically correct sentences
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22:27<tracy>Ya, well I'm sorry your hinessssssssssssse.
22:27<abrotman>mgoetze: you forgot punctuation :)
22:28<abrotman>tracy: ask a real question, polls suck
22:28<tracy>So what I'm not addressing royalty I'll try to type better.
22:28<abrotman>or not ...
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22:31<tracy>stfu i swear you must be a frkin english teacher or something im not trying to be tought
22:32<abrotman>do you want me to correct all the errors?
22:32<abrotman>tracy: ask a real question, polls suck
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22:32<tracy>good by
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22:51<mgoetze>/bin/zgrep: -r: option not supported
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22:51<mgoetze>so how can i search through the linux-doc package?!?
22:51<abrotman>find ? xargs ?
22:53<mgoetze>i guess... ugh
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22:55<Supaplex>zgrep foo (dpkg -L <package> | while read n ; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n ; done | grep .gz$)
22:56<Supaplex>zgrep foo (dpkg -L <package> | grep .gz$ | while read n ; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n ; done) more efficent.
22:56<mgoetze>i settled for: find -type f -exec zgrep -Hi geode '{}' ';'
22:56<mgoetze>unfortunately, no information on geode_aes or geode_rng
22:56<abrotman>the cpu ?
22:57<mgoetze>so if anyone could point me to some basic docs on those, that would be greatly appreciated
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22:57<mgoetze>yes, an amd geode cpu, it has a crypto accelerator
22:58<abrotman>if it's not in there, not sure
22:59<Supaplex>so what are you trying to do anyway? you're apparently researching that to ...
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22:59<mgoetze>i'd like to have crypto acceleration in, well anything, but specifically with lftp (which uses gnutls)
22:59<abrotman>make eggs!
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23:00<mgoetze>it would be nice to have for stuff like ssh as well, of course
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23:00<abrotman>is it a PCI device or part of the CPU ?
23:01<mgoetze>i think not directly part of the cpu, but definitely onboard
23:01<Supaplex>mgoetze: ahh. so load the kernel models, and if they complain it's not supported, perhaps that SoC has no support for such features in Linux yet. You could try rolling your own kernel. /msg dpkg <kp>
23:01<mgoetze>the kernel modules are loaded just fine
23:01<mgoetze>but afaik that doesn't mean they actually get used
23:02<Supaplex>the geode family is usually SoC. scarry amount of stuff on one die, and usually no heat sink required. (except at maximum speeds)
23:02<mgoetze>for starters i'd have to force things to use AES, and even then i'm not sure it's used by default
23:02<Supaplex>right. libs need to take advantage of kernel support too.
23:02<mgoetze>yes, i'm using it as a router, works very nicely and totally quiet
23:02<Supaplex>I have one as a router too :)
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23:03<mgoetze>how long is your /etc/network/interfaces? mine is 28 lines not counting empty and auto :)
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23:04<abrotman>oh .. waving commence
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23:04<mgoetze>anyway, would you believe "geode_aes gnutls" turned up all of one hit on google?
23:05<Supaplex>mine happens to be running openwrt. I plan to use debian after the 8gb cf card is installed. I'm waiting for lenny to release before I bother. let's just say my /etc/hosts or /etc/dhcp3d/dhcp3d.conf is far longer than my equivilent interfaces file.
23:05<Supaplex>mgoetze: I'd research how the md5 digest in the kernel accelerates any userspace function. maybe you can start making a connection between that and other utilities.
23:05<mgoetze>i'm running etchnhalf on a mere 2gb of flash
23:06<Supaplex>my 8gbcf's were dirt cheap. :}
23:06<mgoetze>yeah i should probably buy a new one next time i'm in china
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23:12*Supaplex <3's rebates
23:12<Supaplex>anyway. time to head home. laters.
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23:28<UKMadBeef>anyone good with mdadm?
23:28<UKMadBeef>im a bit of a noob but i got a situation where i have an mdadm raid1 no problems, except when i reboot it ends up degraded again (ie one of the drives is missing)
23:29<UKMadBeef>i think this is because i have each drive on a separate controller with a separate driver, so the drives appear to the system at different times, and mdadm chooses the one it finds first to run with
23:29<UKMadBeef>any ideas?
23:30<mgoetze>uhm, go have a look what your kernel has to say about it?
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23:30<UKMadBeef>already looked at dmesg, shows the 1st controller coming up, then the raid coming up, then the 2nd controller
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23:31<UKMadBeef>tried specifying devices explicitly in mdadm.conf but that only seems to mean "here are the potential devices you may find a raid volume, keep an eye on them all"
23:31<kdas>can some one tell my that why is it that sometimes when i boot up i get a funky ringing noise? i am sure its my graphics card (nvida 9300go) also some times, once in a blue moon, when i boot up the screen goes all red and then resets
23:32<UKMadBeef>you booted into vista by mistake
23:32<kdas>i don't have vista
23:32<mgoetze>isn't there an option to tell mdadm to wait somewhere?
23:32<UKMadBeef>not that i'm aware of mgoetze
23:32<UKMadBeef>either on or off
23:32<UKMadBeef>and off would be a bad idea as i am booting off it
23:33<UKMadBeef>thought i'd see if anyone can help before i break it as i just got it the way i like it
23:33<Katt>Is gdebi still broken in lenny?
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23:34<UKMadBeef>oh yeah the machine is running lenny btw
23:34<mgoetze>hm isn't there an option you can pass to the kernel... rootdelay?
23:34<UKMadBeef>dunno but google might
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23:36<mgoetze>try booting your kernel with rootdelay=20 or something
23:36<UKMadBeef>there appears to be one but dont know whether it's implemented in lenny
23:36<UKMadBeef>worth a try though
23:36<mgoetze>according to google it got accepted into 2.6.11
23:37<UKMadBeef>cool thanks for finding that :)
23:37<mgoetze>if that doesn't help, you'll have to go digging in /etc/initramfs-tools or whatever you use to create your initrd
23:38<UKMadBeef>so where i have the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst just add rootdelay=20 on the end?
23:39<UKMadBeef>done ... here goes (it's my firewall so brb hopefully)
23:39<UKMadBeef>thanks mgoetze :)
23:39<mgoetze>good luck :)
23:39<UKMadBeef>well if i dont come back you know why
23:39<UKMadBeef>hahah :)
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23:44<MadBeef>nope :(
23:44<Katt>Could anyone help me with nm-applet?
23:44<Katt>I can't start it as a regular user.
23:45<kdas>no one else has a ringing nvidia card?
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23:45<Katt>I get this error message repeatedly
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23:45<Katt>** (nm-applet:17328): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.34" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file'
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23:47<MadBeef>Katt: i know nothing about your problem but I've just had a look (on my kubuntu netbook) at /etc/dbus-1/system.d/
23:47<MadBeef>in there, you should find a file called org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo
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23:48<Katt>Not really
23:48<Katt>There's 2 files related to nm-applet though
23:48<Katt>NetworkManager.conf and nm-applet.conf
23:48<MadBeef>try those
23:49<MadBeef>the files seem to be kinda xml, and indicate which users are allowed to do certain things
23:49<MadBeef>it might be worth copying the part of the file that deals with root
23:49<MadBeef>and copying it so it applies to your username
23:49<kdas>anyone know a good light weight network manager?
23:50<MadBeef>make sure you do a backup :)
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23:50<MadBeef>and bear in mind i'm tired, a linux noob, and on my 2nd beer
23:50<Katt>Better than nothing
23:50<MadBeef>+ cant even get my raid 1 working
23:50<Katt>Atleast I've got some files to read. :)
23:51<MadBeef>that may be the alternative
23:51<Tembol>3H B0l3h gaUng g?
23:51<Katt>I think I might just make a new policy for a group I'm a member of
23:52<MadBeef>yeah that would probably be a more adult way of approaching it
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23:52<MadBeef>but try it first, we might be wasting our time with that file anyway
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23:54<Katt>Why don't I just cross-check with my workstation? :/
23:55<Katt>Solution: adduser user netdev
23:55<MadBeef>if that works, that would be good :)
23:55<Katt>It worked
23:55<MadBeef>glad you got it fixed :)
23:56<Katt>Yeah, me too. :)
23:56<Katt>Now for the really annoying part
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23:57<Katt>I can now even copy-paste inside terminals.
23:57<Katt>With the keyboard. For some reason, it did not work at first.
23:58<MadBeef>works out the box here but i'm on kubuntu 8.10 here
23:58<MadBeef>still full of bugs though :)
23:58<Katt>Yeah, but my lenny atm isn't exactly out of the box :P
23:59<MadBeef>yeah i tried it on this machine but too much work for me to get it to what i want
23:59<MadBeef>i'm still a noob particularly on the desktop side of things
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23:59<Katt>Finally, the whole reason I've been stuck with a networkless wirelessless laptop the last 12 hours
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