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00:00<Katt>Flash 10.
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00:00<Katt>Oh, X-less too.
00:00<MadBeef>i wasnt prepared to spend that kind of time
00:01<MadBeef>although i still dont have working bluetooth
00:01<Katt>Me neither.
00:01<Katt>Ah well, finally installed my most used software in gnome
00:01<MadBeef>i ended up finding a command to get my mouse working
00:01<MadBeef>hidd --search
00:01<MadBeef>as root
00:03<MadBeef>bit of a shock coming from decades of windows where everything pretty much works
00:04<MadBeef>but i got xp home with this netbook and hardly used it
00:04<Katt>Which linux does now pretty much too. Unless you install a minimal image without x, sound, gui, anything really.
00:05<MadBeef>it's the fragmented form of development i think that is the problem
00:05<MadBeef>the reason there is no bluetooth support in kubuntu 8.10 is because the version of bluez is too new for the kde or something
00:06<MadBeef>it doesnt come across consistent if you will
00:06<MadBeef>anyway off to bed for me, will fight with my mdadm tomorrow :)
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00:06<Katt>Nighty night
00:06<MadBeef>nice meeting you Katt good luck with lenny :)
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00:07<Dracie>anyone gotten handbrake to work in lenny?
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00:12<Dracie>another question: whats the best way to track packages with shipping numbers in linux
00:12<Dracie>like in mac os x i had some widgit in the dashboard
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00:19<u5h>hey there, can anybody who's using sid give me an http link for the package "galan"? i'm trying to extract all the .so's
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00:23<u5h>us linux users need to stick together
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00:23<u5h>the information wars are coming
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00:31<kingsley>Can one PC be a LTSP client of different servers, at different times?
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00:42<gsimmons>kingsley: Try asking in #ltsp on
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00:43<kingsley>gsimmons: Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with your resonable suggestion. In fact, I did ask on freenode. Here's the big but...
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00:43<kingsley>But, freenode is currently unstable, and users are being logged off, and back on, in droves.
00:43<brunner>Why does Xorg always end up eating over 240MB of RAM?
00:43<brunner>kingsley: but that's part of the fun!
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00:49<brunner>is this normal?
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00:51<mayank>how to play nexuiz?
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00:52<Dracie>mayank, say again?
00:52<dondelelcaro>dpkg: status
00:52<dpkg>Since Fri Jan 2 01:44:20 2009, there have been 14 modifications, 60 questions, 17 dunnos, 0 morons and 22 commands. I have been awake for 4h 8m 18s this session, and currently reference 38591 factoids. I'm using about 16444 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 9.45/0.75 child 0.01/0.01
00:53<mayank>dracie, i have installed nexuiz..its start fine but when i click start match its fre on loading..
00:53<aetheria>wow 38591
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00:54<Dracie>mayank, did you check logs?
00:54<Dracie>might give you a clue
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00:54<Dracie>all logs are located in /var/log/
00:55<Dracie>also try running nexuiz and route error output to afile
00:55<Dracie>its omething like
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00:58<jason>hello is this a good place to ask for help?
00:58<Dracie>this is the official Debian support channel
00:58<mayank>how?, dracie
00:58<Dracie>mayank, i am checking real quick
00:59<mayank>what r u checking ? dracie
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00:59<jason>is there a command or gui tool I can use to configure/detect my sound device?
00:59<dondelelcaro>jason: it should happen automatically
01:00<dondelelcaro>alsa checklist
01:00<dondelelcaro>!alsa checklist
01:00<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
01:00<Dracie>mayank, the way to route error messages to a file
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01:01<jason>will give it a try thanks.
01:01<Dracie>yeah just poke around - try launching nexuiz in a console with -
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01:02<Dracie>nexuiz 2&> erroroutput
01:02<Dracie>something likie that
01:02<jason>thanks dondelelcaro
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01:05<jason>made sound as root!
01:05<mayank>dracie, i have installed nexuiz..its start fine but when i click start match its freeze on loading..
01:05<Dracie>i know
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01:05<Dracie>the idea is to see why
01:06<Dracie>so look in /var/log/ (possibly try the user log) and direct the error output like i said
01:06<Dracie>it'll probably say what the issue is
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01:07<mayank>i have installed nexuiz..its start fine but when i click start match its freeze on loading..anyone?
01:08<Dracie>mayank, nobody has the faintest clue why, your next step would be to TROUBLESHOOT, look in your logs, look at console output while running the game, look on forums... etc etc thats all we know
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01:09<mayank>ok..anyways.. thanx
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01:09<jason>well I added myself to the audio group. I'll restart x and see what happens. Thanks for reminding me why I quit using MS years ago!
01:09<Dracie>heh i wonder if he has DRI enabled
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01:09<Dracie>jason - just login as your users
01:09<Dracie>you can just relogin
01:10<jason>Will do Dracie. I cant log in to gnome or kde as root anyway.
01:10<jason>gdm wont let me.... :(
01:11<Dracie>lol oh yeah that is annoying
01:12<newsense>i changed my /tmp dir to ext2 from ext3 earlier and forgot to change fstab entry to reflect so and didnt realize /tmp wasnt mounted, had to be there i guess
01:12<newsense>couldnt login to x though and it took me about 15 minutes to figure it out
01:13<jason>I once read up on doing it with kdm. I apt'ed kde (I love apt). even though I chose kdm, gdm was still used.
01:13<Dracie>jason, agreed, i do like slim though... even better yet, starting x from CLI
01:14<jason>ahh good idea.
01:14<Dracie>its like gdm but simpler
01:14<Dracie>but gdm is good because it doesn't need any sort of configuration
01:15<jason>I'll read up on it.
01:15<jason>gdm is pretty
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01:15<Dracie>they all can be pretty with the right theme
01:15<Dracie>its just a matter of what functionality you want
01:17<jason>Thanks again for your help. I'm gonna try some more stuff.
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01:40<vfaronov>Hi. Running etch. My Debian mirror has both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses and for some reason aptitude insists on using the IPv6 one when I have no IPv6 connectivity. I've turned IPv6 support off in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases but it doesn't help. Can I instruct apt to use IPv4 only?
01:43<mgoetze>vfaronov: well, you should really remove ipv6
01:43<vfaronov>mgoetze: how?
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01:43<mgoetze>vfaronov: try 'rmmod ipv6' for a start
01:44<vfaronov>mgoetze: it's aliased to 'off' already, it's not loaded
01:44<vfaronov>ERROR: Module ipv6 does not exist in /proc/modules
01:44<ike>what about a reconfigure?
01:45<vfaronov>ike: of what?
01:45<mgoetze>vfaronov: and lsmod|grep ipv6 returns no result?
01:45<vfaronov>mgoetze: yes
01:45<ike>good question, apt and aptitude?
01:45<mgoetze>and how do you know aptitude is trying to use ipv6?
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01:46<vfaronov>mgoetze: it tells me ""Could not create a socket for [mirror's v6 address]"
01:46<vfaronov>ike: will try now
01:46<mgoetze>vfaronov: are you running nscd?
01:46<vfaronov>hmmm... wait
01:46<vfaronov>it works now
01:46<vfaronov>_that's_ what I call weird
01:47<vfaronov>could it be some kind of a cache?
01:47<mgoetze>vfaronov: are you running nscd?
01:47<vfaronov>mgoetze: not sure, what's that?
01:48<mgoetze>vfaronov: does 'pgrep nscd' output anything?
01:48<mgoetze>vfaronov: it's an evil thing called the
01:48<vfaronov>mgoetze: no
01:48<mgoetze>"name service caching daemon"
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02:34<person>i need to know what version of debian to get for my new laptop, it has intel celeron 550 @ 2.00GHz processor and 2gb of ddr2 ram
02:35<kingsley>Which application, if any, allows one to pick which PC to open an X11 session on, much like the spawn of xdm and ssh?
02:35<mgoetze>i think debian 3.0 would run quite quickly on that
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02:36<Supaplex>uh, I'd use stable i386
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02:38<Katt>So I have another strange problem. :(
02:38<Katt>In terminals and virtual consoles, I can't seem to be able to scroll pages. Like manpages and such.
02:39<Katt>pageup/pagedown works, but not the directional keys.
02:39<cydork>mgoetze, why debian 3.0 and not 4?
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02:39<mgoetze>cydork: silly questions, silly answers
02:40<cydork>person, i would say go with etch or etch n half.
02:40<mgoetze>Katt: with "directional keys", you mean the ones with arrows printed on them?
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02:41<mgoetze>Katt: ...because i assume hjkl are working fine :P
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02:41<mgoetze>Katt: so anyway, what's the value of $TERM, and what terminal emulator are you using?
02:41<Katt>mgoetze: Not just terminal emulators
02:41<Katt>Same problem in virtual consoles
02:42<cydork>Katt, that depends on your pager.. i think you are using more at the moment
02:42<mgoetze>if page up works, he's not using more...
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02:44<Katt>I installed lenny this time by building from a businesscard-etch
02:44<Katt>(Thought it was lenny I downloade)
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02:44<Katt>And dist-upgraded, and have just been building on it since.
02:45<mgoetze>so, page up works, yes?
02:45<mgoetze>and what is the value of $PAGER?
02:45<cydork>mgoetze, does pg up works in more? i don't think so.
02:45<Katt>In a vc or xterm? Or does it matter?
02:45<mgoetze>cydork: that's my point
02:45<cydork>Kalessin2, no it does't
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02:46<Katt>Anyway, both turned out empty
02:46<Katt>$PAGER is blank
02:46<cydork>Katt, set PAGER to less, (you might have to install it..)
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02:47<mgoetze>Katt: and what does 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/pager' tell you?
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02:47<Katt>Less is not installed
02:47<stephenhudson>does anyone know how well Debian will run on a computer with only 64MB RAM?
02:47<mgoetze>stephenhudson: great
02:47<Katt>mgoetze: endre@laptopus:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/pager
02:47<Katt>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-01-01 19:40 /etc/alternatives/pager -> /bin/more
02:48<mgoetze>Katt: well i'm starting to disbelieve your claim that pageup works....
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02:48<cydork>Katt, install less, update-alternatives -c pager, and select less
02:48<Katt>Well, installing less worked
02:48<Katt>Removing to test
02:48<mgoetze>Katt: next time, provide correct information, please
02:49<Katt>Ah, sorry
02:49<Katt>I used shift + pageup
02:50<Katt>Thanks alot anyway :)
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02:56<Azoff>I have a host that should be a gateway, however, after installing etch from the netinstall cd, I can't setup a dhcpd om eth0 and have it defined with a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces
02:56<Azoff>after a few seconds of starting dhcpd, it magicaly retrieves an ip using dhcp from itself(?)
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02:57<Azoff>any ideas how to stop this bizare behaviour?
02:57<Azoff>hello matthew_
02:57<mgoetze>Azoff: well, don't run a dhcp client?
02:57<matthew_>whats your problem buddy
02:58<matthew_>yeah don't run a dhcp client
02:59<matthew_>lol whats a dhcp client
02:59<Azoff>I do *not* run it
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02:59<matthew_>i am new to linux
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03:00<mgoetze>Azoff: so, your interfaces contains the line "iface eth0 inet static"? and you have run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" since?
03:00<Azoff>this is what I got; 2 nic (eth0 LAN and eth1 WAN); eth1 configured with dhcp and eth0 with *static* ip set using /etc/network/interfaces
03:00<Azoff>mgoetze: yes
03:00<matthew_>what are some cool programs that are compatible with ubuntu 8.10
03:01<mgoetze>matthew_: wrong channel
03:01<Azoff>mgoetze: but after a reboot, eth0 is up, but without an ip and the syslog shows alot of dhclient messages for the LAN iface
03:01<matthew_>oh i am sorry
03:01<matthew_>like i said i am new to linux
03:02<mgoetze>matthew_: #ubuntu on
03:02<ogrosticlops>Hi, just dropping in with some questions about mounting an ntfs drive while using debian lenny. I can wait as long as you need.
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03:02<mgoetze>ogrosticlops: aptitude install ntfs-3g
03:02<matthew_>am i in the right place to talk ubuntu
03:02<mgoetze>ogrosticlops: and then rtfm ;)
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03:02<mgoetze>matthew_: no
03:02<ogrosticlops>mgoetze, isn't that installed by default
03:03<mgoetze>i hope not
03:03<matthew_>damn how do i change rooms
03:03<matthew_>i apologize
03:03<ogrosticlops>jesus it isn't
03:03<ogrosticlops>i'm a fool
03:04<Azoff>mgoetze: this is my interfaces file:
03:04<bartleby>matthew_, /server
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03:04<bartleby>at your console
03:04<ogrosticlops>I haven't used debian since sarge on my laptop, and used about 30 different flavors at least on my desktop. sorry about that
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03:05<mgoetze>ogrosticlops: no worries :)
03:05<Azoff>mgoetze: isn't that config correct?
03:06<ogrosticlops>time to google and man for a bit. I assumed when it showed the drive in the manager that it was there.
03:06<mgoetze>Azoff: it looks good
03:06<mgoetze>Azoff: so what address does eth0 end up getting?
03:07<Azoff>mgoetze: when I ifup the iface, it gets and that correct
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03:08<Azoff>mgoetze: however, just a few seconds after I start dhcpd, it will get something like or such
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03:08<Azoff>mgoetze: the dhcpd has a range that starts att and the logs shows that it's as source of the new ip
03:09<mgoetze>Azoff: can you see the command line of the dhclient processes with ps?
03:09<Azoff>somehow, this all comes back to that dhclient think it should control *all* ifaces
03:09<Azoff>mgoetze: if you reload the paste, therese a snippet from syslog too
03:09<mgoetze>normally, dhclient should get started as "dhclient eth1" and not interfere with eth0
03:10<Azoff>root 2097 0.0 0.1 2176 772 ? Ss Jan01 0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/ -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.leases eth1
03:10<Azoff>root 2504 0.0 0.1 2176 796 ? Ss Jan01 0:00 dhclient
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03:10<mgoetze>what's the ppid of 2504?
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03:11<mgoetze>2097 is obviously started by ifup eth1, you need to figure out where 2504 comes from
03:12<ogrosticlops>yeah, there we go.. sorry about the awful question.. i guess I overlooked the simple answer and have mounted the drive and updated accordingly.
03:12<Azoff>mgoetze: how can I get the partent pid? 'ps auxf' shows it at first level
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03:14<mgoetze>hm, ps -ef
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03:15<Azoff>it still shows as "highest" level
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03:17<mgoetze>maybe cat /proc/2504/environ for some clues
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03:17<Azoff># cat /proc/2504/environ
03:17<Azoff>SHELL=/bin/bashTERM=linuxHUSHLOGIN=FALSEUSER=rootMAIL=/var/mail/rootPATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/binPWD=/rootLANG=en_US.UTF-8PS1=\h:\w\$ SHLVL=1HOME=/rootLOGNAME=root_=/sbin/dhclient
03:17<Azoff>looks like it's from a init.d sript or something
03:18<mgoetze>maybe grep dhclient /etc/init.d/*
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03:19<Azoff>there is one more strange thing, there's an empty folder /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d that I can't find in any package
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03:20<Azoff>and just for the record, it's a friend of mines host, so I havn't got physical access to it ATM
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03:21<Katt>I can maybe help with that.
03:21<Katt>Oh whoops
03:21<Katt>Irssi got stuck up there at ntfs-things
03:21<Katt>Disregard me.
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03:38<Azoff>mgoetze: are you out of ideas?
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04:03<mgoetze>Azoff: i just took a bus to work, sorry :)
04:03<mgoetze>Azoff: have you rebooted the thing to see whether the second dhclient appears again?
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04:11<alys>Please - I have tried to find the answer to this question but 'no luck'. I live in the UK and I play DVDs (region 20 through my debian box using VLC. Would I be able to play a region 1 (NTSC) DVD without problems? Thank you.
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04:11<alys>That should be 'region2' not 'region 20', of course
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04:23<Azoff>mgoetze: I did some reboots yesterday, but I''m not realy sure the owner didn't do something strange..
04:24<sander_m>Hello. I have a problem with update-manager. I installed the binary ATI fgx drivers from the ATI website, but all the package managers want to install the ones from the Debian repository because they have a higher version number. I have already used `aptitude hold` and `dpkg --set-selections` but update-manager still lists fglrx-* packages (though they are greyed out).
04:24<Azoff>I did reboot like an hour ago, but I havn't been able to ssh to it after that :/
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04:24<sander_m>How can I make update-manager skip these packages? Right now I always have the "updates available" systray icon
04:26<Azoff>mgoetze: I'll look more into it when the owner comes back on :)
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04:28<sander_m>I have even written /etc/apt/preferences and tried to pin the packages to priority -1 but update-manager still lists them
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04:29<dpkg>somebody said hold was a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager). Always hold back packages using 'dpkg' to make sure!
04:29<sander_m>craigevil: I did use dpkg, but update-manager still lists the packages
04:30<sander_m>craigevil: They are greyed out, but listed. Now the "updates available" icon is always on an I always get the "smart upgrade" message from update-manager
04:30<craigevil>then use aptitude instead of the silly update-manager
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04:33<sander_m>craigevil: But update-manager is useful for me. Which package manager does update-manager sit on top of? aptitude? dpkg? synaptic?
04:34<craigevil>not a clue
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04:36<EmleyMoor>Why would hal-disable-polling be unable to find /dev/dvdrw / /dev/hda? It works otherwise...
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04:41<sander_m>craigevil: I found it. update-manager sits atop synaptic. So besides `dpkg --set-selections` and `aptitude hold` you also need to "lock version" in synaptic.
04:41<sander_m>Perhaps the !hold IRC bot essage can be adjusted to tell that as well?
04:42<dondelelcaro>uh... update-manager is ubuntu, not Debian.
04:43<dondelelcaro>oh, I guess we distribute it now too...
04:43<sander_m>dondelelcaro: It's installed with a vanilla Debian Lenny when you choose the "Desktop" task during install
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04:43<sep>sander_m, in that case you should include all others package managers as well no ? i am sure there are multiple.. what about kpackage
04:44<sander_m>sep: Is kpackage installed by default on Lenny? If so, it should probably be included.
04:44<craigevil>sander_m: no and neither is update-manager or synaptic
04:45<sander_m>craigevil: Yes they are. Go pick up D-I RC1, install it and pick "Desktop" when tasksel comes up. You'll get both Synaptic and update-manager
04:45<sep>sander_m, dont know. it is part of the kde and kde4 metapackage so perhaps included if you install with kde cd ?
04:46<craigevil>who the hell chooses Desktop? that installs a ton of crap
04:46<sander_m>sep: Possibly. I'm a Gnome man myself :-)
04:46<sep>craigevil, users :)
04:47<sep>if it was not for the pesky users... my life would be a glorious dance in the server room. :)
04:47<sander_m>craigevil: Then go fix it :-) Or report bugs against tasksel.
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04:48<sander_m>sep: I bet it would get dull soon, with no users. There'd be nothing to do!
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04:48<craigevil> Installed: (none)
04:48<craigevil>running KDE
04:48<sep>sander_m, nethack :)
04:48<sander_m>sep: Hehehe :-)
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04:50<sander_m>craigevil: So you didn't use the plain Debian installer "Desktop" task to install your system. Many people do and they will get Synaptic and update-manager. So, it may be nice to include those in the help.
04:50<sander_m>Who maintains the messages for the dpkg bot anyway?
04:51<sep>sander_m, you, me, everyone, (or nobody) :)
04:52<sep>sander_m, just talk to it eg something like /msg dpkg hold is also synaptic so and so
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04:53<mgoetze>hm, i can fix the problem of users by filing bugs against tasksel?
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04:56<sander_m>mgoetze: Maybe. If you can convince the rest that some packages installed by tasksel shouldn't be installed...
04:57<mgoetze>sander_m: but how will that get rid of users?
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04:59<sander_m>mgoetze: If you remove enough packages, they move to other distributions? :-D
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05:01<mgoetze>ah... but isn't it more efficient to just remove tasksel from the archive entirely? ;)
05:02<sander_m>You mean, leave them with only a base system? That would scare them off pretty quickly, yes.
05:03<mgoetze>i'll file a bug against immediatel^Won april 1st
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05:26<blunted>alright how do i make this wifi card i got work
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05:26<blunted>I used ndisgtk to load the drivers for it
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05:28<gsimmons>blunted: What wireless device are you attempting to use?
05:28<blunted>i dont understand
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05:29<blunted>its a linksys pcmcia card
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05:33<blunted>when i type modprobe ndiswrapper it says FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
05:34<gsimmons>blunted: You haven't installed NDISwrapper correctly.
05:34<gsimmons>!tell blunted -about ndiswrapper one-liner
05:34<blunted>i apt-get
05:34<blunted>dpkg sabotaged me
05:34<dpkg>blunted: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
05:35<gsimmons>blunted: There are also native drivers available for your card, which you can use in the event of difficulties with NDISwrapper.
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05:55<blunted>yo type that thing to dpkg that you typed before
05:55<blunted>my ac cord has a short and it made the laptop turn off cause the batteries dead
05:56<gsimmons>blunted: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner
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06:06<Katt>Does anyone know how I can... Eh, enable fan-control on a laptop in lenny? I installed lenny on it, but the fan runs in a constant high speed, even though the cpu haven't gone over 5% usage.
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06:06<valdyn>Katt: what's in /proc/acpi/fan/ ?
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06:07<Katt>It seems to be empty
06:07<Woet>is it possible to make a symlink which ignores chmods?
06:07<valdyn>Katt: i would give that craptop back if it does not regulate its fan automatically
06:07<valdyn>Woet: no
06:07<valdyn>Woet: what are you trying to achieve?
06:07<Woet>valdyn: not even by mounting, for example?
06:08<Katt>valdyn: It's something around 3-4 years old. :/
06:08<Woet>I got a file (/home/foo/bar.txt), and I want to symlink this to /home/bar/foo.txt
06:08<valdyn>Katt: google for your model and linux and fan etc
06:08<mgoetze>Katt: have you installed packages for acpi support?
06:08<Woet>everybody may read foo.txt, but nobody may read bar.txt
06:08<Woet>well, everybody may read bar.txt too, but nobody may enter /home/foo
06:08<valdyn>Woet: you can use a hardlink
06:08<Woet>valdyn: doesn't seem to work
06:08<koollman>Woet: changes the permissions on foo ?
06:08<Woet>it gives 'permission denied'
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06:09<valdyn>Woet: what doesn't work?
06:09<koollman>Woet: (not foo.txt, foo)
06:09<Woet>koollman: the directory /home/foo has a chmod of 700, so you can't access 'bar.txt' in it
06:09<Woet>No, I can't change the directory permissions due to security
06:09<koollman>Woet: so no one can read bar.txt already except the owner of foo
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06:09<Woet>but I want to make an exception for that specific file
06:09<Woet>but the home directory should still be secured
06:10<Woet>which is my problem
06:10<Woet>alternative is running a crontab every minute as root
06:10<Woet>but that doesn't seem the best solution to me..
06:10<koollman>hardlink would solve your problem
06:10<valdyn>Woet: you dont need to change directory permissions
06:10<Woet>i'll try a hardlink
06:10<valdyn>Woet: what exactly is giving which error message exactly?
06:10<Woet>i'll test it right now valdyn
06:11<valdyn>Woet: nm, hardlinks inherit permissions aswell
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06:12<koollman>but they would work in that case, since a hardlinked file does not require to traverse the path to the 'original' file
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06:12<valdyn>Woet: how does making the same file readable on one name and unreadable on a 2nd name make sense?
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06:13<valdyn>Woet: reading a file in a directory that you cant enter works just fine btw
06:13<Woet>valdyn: it doesn't?
06:13<weasel>valdyn: it doesn't.
06:14<koollman>oh, also you can inverse your problem. make bar.txt a symlink to foo.txt
06:14<Woet>permission of parent directories count
06:14<Woet>koollman: hmm, that makes sense
06:14<Woet>only solution I guess
06:15<weasel>Woet: what problem are you trying to solve anyway?
06:15<Woet>weasel: I just said it
06:15<koollman>Woet: not the only solution. but a simple one
06:15<Woet>[12:08:24] <Woet> I got a file (/home/foo/bar.txt), and I want to symlink this to /home/bar/foo.txt
06:15<weasel>that's not a problem.
06:15<weasel>that's your solution
06:15<koollman>Woet: he means, the higher level problem
06:15<weasel>why do you think you want that
06:15<Woet>.. because I do?
06:15<koollman>why do you need that file to be readable there ? :)
06:15<Woet>okay, let me explain some more
06:15<valdyn>weasel: it works fine
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06:16<Woet>I got a log (/home/foo/server_log.txt), and I want that everybody can read that (/home/public/server_log.txt, for example). I don't want people to be able to read /home/foo/server.cfg though!
06:16<weasel>valdyn: no.
06:16<valdyn>weasel: x allows entering, r allows reading of file in it
06:17<weasel>valdyn: no.
06:17<Woet>even with a chmod of 777 on /home/foo/server_loft.txt, it's not readable, since 'foo' is chmodded 700 (because I need secure home directories)
06:17<valdyn>weasel: yes, i just tried
06:17<weasel>valdyn: then you screwed up.
06:17<Woet>yea, you can't enter files in directories you don't have access to
06:17<Woet>which makes sense too
06:17<valdyn>dr--r--r-- 2 root root 17 2. Jan 12:14 t
06:18<valdyn>ops, i really did
06:18<valdyn>i guess i just did this on irix
06:18<weasel>valdyn: a) log somewhere else, b) make foo a+x, c) hardlink the logfile some place else, d) make foo/server_log a symlink to some place else.
06:18<weasel>Woet: a) log somewhere else, b) make foo a+x, c) hardlink the logfile some place else, d) make foo/server_log a symlink to some place else.
06:19<Woet>weasel: how would B or C work?
06:19<weasel>Woet: make the dir 711.
06:19<Woet>hardlinks honors permissions too, so I don't see how C should work
06:19<Woet>weasel: that allows others to access it, right?
06:19<weasel>enter it, yes.
06:19<valdyn>Woet: hardlink circumvent that the directory is locked
06:19<Woet>valdyn: let me test it then
06:20<weasel>if you think that breaks your "security" then either you have very, very special needs, or you are doing something wrong anyway
06:20*themill votes for the latter
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06:20<Woet>weasel: My customers tend to chmod everything to 777
06:21<weasel>I fail to see how that is relevant
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06:21<Woet>so if I allow others access to their home direcrotires, they'll be able to fuck up massively
06:21<Woet>directories *
06:21<valdyn>Woet: they cant chown if they are not root
06:22<weasel>(or own the file)
06:22<Woet>valdyn: I know that
06:22<valdyn>Woet: and they cannot chmod if they dont own the file
06:22<Woet>but they can read the files
06:22<Woet>and edit them
06:22<weasel>edit requires +w
06:22<weasel>read requires +r
06:22<Woet>so what can they do once they entered the directory?
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06:22<Woet>i'll try, hang on
06:22<weasel>are you sure you understand file/dir permissions?
06:22<mgoetze>if a directory is 711, others can't even tell there are any files in there
06:22<valdyn>Woet: you mean that your customers 777 their own files?
06:22<Woet>they do
06:23<mgoetze>i have some customers who do that, too
06:23<valdyn>Woet: thats not stupid anymore, thats them fucking themselves, np, screw them ;)
06:23<Woet>mgoetze: I just noticed, 711 seems okay
06:23<weasel>755 is probably just as ok
06:23<Woet>valdyn: I unfortunaly tend to keep my customers
06:23<Woet>and telling them it's their own fault isn't one of the possible answers
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06:23<mgoetze>Woet: you're doing something wrong, then. it's the standard answer for me :)
06:23<Woet>it's like giving a 2 year old a loaded shotgun, really
06:24<Woet>I sell VPSes
06:24<Woet>(linux based)
06:24<valdyn>maybe chmod should be deleted then
06:24<Woet>people tried logging in using remote desktop, people chmodded every possible file to 777 since they got annoyed by permissions
06:24<mgoetze>valdyn: it's enough if you chmod 744 chmod
06:24<Woet>people said their VPS froze because they didn't see asteriks at passwd
06:25<valdyn>mgoetze: yea, well, if it was not vps
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06:34<tghy>Well hello to all!
06:34<tghy>I have a bit two troubles with Debian...
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06:37<tghy>First: when i power off my PC, Debian (lenny) show me this one
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06:37<tghy>And wont turn off automatically
06:38<tghy>Second: when i work in black shell, my strings may run under screen
06:38<dpkg>If your older system doesn't power off after `shutdown -h now', append "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel's command line. See for more information.
06:40<tghy>Thx ill try. But i think im tried this one already and no result.
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06:41<tghy>Appended. Checking.
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06:56<tghy>Im tried to append acpi=off and apm=power_off and it show me this
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06:58<tghy>My Debian lenny wont turn off automatically
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06:59<tghy>I think im ruined my init layers
06:59<tghy>And what a hell is shell showing disabling of bluetooth when im not using it
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07:03<pietro>qualcuno sa dirmi come posso
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07:03<pietro>installare openoffice 3.0
07:03<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:04<tghy>My Debian Etch doeant turnd off automatically too!
07:04<tghy>And when i got new lenny it still be buggy too
07:04<tghy>I already cant do it manually.
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07:05<tghy>And i cant wait and see when Debian shutdown BLUETOOTH which not using!!
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07:07<tghy>PERHabs im ruined my init levels!! But i dont know default settings!!!
07:07<tghy>No anywhere simple any manuals for simple troubles
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07:10<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead., or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>
07:10<s_i_m>tghy, let me guess, if you speak russian try #debian-russian on Freenode
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07:11<tghy>I know what each level mean. But what default apps should have each level...
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07:11<mgoetze>tghy: why od you plan to use more than 1 level?
07:12<tghy>Okay. Tell me default apps for level 2. Understand now?
07:12<mgoetze>tghy: ls /etc/rc2.d
07:13<sep>tghy, debian does not separate by runlevels like redhats do. everything runs in run level 2-5
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07:14<tghy>Ohh. U just doesnt understood my problem. Give me a sec
07:14<tghy>Tell me what output ls /etc/rc blabla 2 on FRESH installed lenny?
07:15<sep>tghy, that is hard to define, since i would not install the same packages as you would....
07:16<tghy>Im just got much trash in my levels by installing (FOR LOOK) many apps
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07:17<sep>purge those you do not need then.
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07:20<tghy>But anyways lenny wont turn off automatically
07:20<tghy>I shown logs
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07:29<screenn>had anyone tried bandwithd for monitoring traffic usage?
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07:30<mgoetze>i expect someone has. maybe the guy who wrote the program?
07:31<screenn>mgoetze have a good humor :)
07:31<screenn>I believe he has,
07:32*screenn need a simple way to count ip traffic on ppp0 interface
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07:38<dondelelcaro>screenn: look at ifconfig ppp0;
07:38<dondelelcaro>(if you need more usefull methods, see munin et al.)
07:38<mjk>screenn: Dunno if that's helpful, but the graphical monitor collection "gkrellm" counts traffic per day/week/month etc.
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07:40<screenn>I want to count my traffic, think bandwithd has all what I need
07:40<screenn>but can't start it yet
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07:41<screenn>I have just clear index page of that without traffic information on my apache server
07:42<screenn>don't know whay that isn't count the traffic, so, I'll search in google again
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07:45<screenn>I no use ifconfig ppp0 way, because have closed ppp0 connections often, I need something what will be count my traffic automatically
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07:46<|\|4|\|0>salut !
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07:47<|\|4|\|0>are you english ?
07:47<cahoot>try a less cumbersome nick?
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07:47<mjk>|\|4|\|0: This channel is English speaking.
07:48<|\|4|\|0>i'm french but my english is very bad :(
07:48<mjk>|\|4|\|0: And your nick is indeed awkward to type.
07:48<|\|4|\|0>a ok i'm sorry i'm new user o IRC
07:48<mjk>|\|4|\|0: I'll forgive you for a moment. ;-)
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07:48<mjk>|\|4|\|0: There is #debian-fr btw.
07:48<|\|4|\|0>indeed ? i dont know
07:48<|\|4|\|0>a ok thx
07:49<mjk>|\|4|\|0: indeed = in fact
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07:51<imperia>hello. which program can i use to blacklist ssh bruteforce scanner's ip.
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07:52<cahoot>imperia: switch to keybased login?
07:52<screenn>mjk I think gkrellm isn't informative as bandwidthd, but thanks anyway
07:52<mjk>screenn: np =)
07:53<imperia>cahoot: i red that keybased login is nice. but i cant always bring my key with me or cant always use it
07:53<screenn>mjk have you seen screenshot's of it, I think it's really good counter, and wonder why nobody knows how to run that in debian :)
07:54<mjk>screenn: *checking* ...
07:54<mjk>screenn: Looks nice at least. =)
07:54<mjk>screenn: But for me, it's useless, as I have a flat rate.
07:55<imperia>fail2ban maybe?
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07:57<screenn>mjk so, anyway I've started to try that, and I hope I'll end someday =)
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07:58<mjk>screenn: Don't get addicted to stats! =)
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07:59<screenn>mjk ok, I'll try, thanks!
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08:41<metheocrite>I was wondering something : afaik, the last linux kernel used in lenny is the 2.6.26. Also lenny is frozen. So it means that theorically, when, lenny will be the stable branch, linux 2.6.26 will be used, at least for a while (until lenny-and-half or something).
08:41<metheocrite>Am I right ?
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08:41<themill> will start backporting selected packages from squeeze to lenny at some stage (e.g. 2.6.27, ...)
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08:42<metheocrite>So there is no chance that I'll be able to use ext4 on my servers at work, grmbl.
08:42<themill>You want to use ext4 already?
08:42<metheocrite>themill this will be hard to explain to my boss, he'll be scared :)
08:43<themill>Won't he be even more scared about the thought of using a development filesystem?
08:43<metheocrite>Ted T'so removed the -dev flag and I think that we still have like 3 or 4 month before lenny is stable. So I guess people will use it durring the next months.
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08:44<metheocrite>Especially people using sid or fedora or gentoo etc.
08:44*themill won't be using it any time soon
08:45<metheocrite>themill, or maybe I'm just a crazy kamikase. I didn't really think about it. I would think about it if it was possible, but it's not. So there is not even a question. :)
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08:45<metheocrite>Thanks for your answers. I'll wait for lenny+1 and btrfs then. Or lenny-and-half.
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08:55<jeff008>maybe lenny with zxf ;)
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09:04<k6>hi, is there a way to ignore a SIGSEGV signal in C?
09:04<mrvn>catch it
09:04<k6>like std::signal(SIGSEGV, SIG_IGN); ?
09:05<abrotman>there is a ##c on
09:05<mahogny>ehr. you're really doing strange stuff :P
09:05<mrvn>that would resume the code at the opcode that threw the signal and just throw it again.
09:05<k6>but I cannot try catch it
09:05<mrvn>You have to catch it and do something meaningfull to resume at a sane point in the code.
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09:06<mrvn>For example in c++ you could convert it into an exception and jump into the exception handler.
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09:08<mrvn>wenn du sie eh hast
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09:34<AltD-Mobile>sameone Brasilian here?
09:34<AltD-Mobile>someone Brasilian here?
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09:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:06<blueice>Does anyone know the proper name for the screen with graphics and a progress bar that how during boot instead of text?
10:07<blueice>.... bar that show during...
10:07<Pryon>splash screen?
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10:10<blueice>Pryon, I thought so. I want to install one but I have only found references to splash screens in Gnome and the boot process is pre-X environment
10:10<blueice>Pryon, where can I find instructions on how to install a boot splash screen?
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10:11<pippo>open office for xubuntu amd64 bit ?
10:12<mrvn>Is this #xubuntu?
10:12<pippo>yes , it s
10:13<pippo>but i dont found ooffice debian package
10:13<EmleyMoor>Is moonlight easy to get for Debian?
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10:14<pippo>where is ooffice for 64 bit archture ?
10:15<EmleyMoor>pippo: If you are using xubuntu, we wouldn't know
10:15<Azoff>mgoetze: just wanted to let you know that the problem I had with dhclient were all user related. My friend had run 'dhclient -r; dhclient' and gave me the ip it reported, this was wrong as you see ;)
10:16<pippo>who i ask
10:16<Azoff>mgoetze: thanks for your help anyway!
10:16<themill>pippo: please ask #ubuntu on
10:16<EmleyMoor>#xubuntu perhaps
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10:16<mgoetze>Azoff: np :)
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10:20<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: It is packaged in Debian Multimedia, but this has known problems. See bug #501190 and
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10:20<themill>EmleyMoor: there's work on an official debian package that doesn't have those problems too
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10:21<blueice>So the graphical boot screen that shows instead of text is called a splash screen. I think this lies between Grub and Gnome so it's not a Grub splash screen or a Gnome splash screen. So what kind is it?
10:22<EmleyMoor>I have installed it but it is not ready - how do I make it so?
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10:23<themill>EmleyMoor: apparently the moonlight package will hit the NEW queue again some time RSN.
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10:24<blueice>mrvn, thanks
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10:24<EmleyMoor>ITV site won't let me use it anyhow
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10:30*EmleyMoor must look at BBC iPlayer again son
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10:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... might not be easy with AMD64
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11:16<evertt_zufelt>I am currently installing sid with debootstrap onto a partition of my eeepc. Any resources to find the correct packages to get the entire gnome desktop installed?
11:16<evertt_zufelt>I guess I need xorg too.
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11:17<JordiGH>"aptitude install gnome" not good enough?
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11:18<evertt_zufelt>JordiGH: I'll give that a try, I wouldn't have thought it to be that simple.
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11:19<JordiGH>I *think* that also pulls in xorg... but in case it doesn't, "aptitude install xserver-xorg".
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11:19<stew>it wouldn't, and one would want to install the xorg package, not just xserver-xorg
11:20<JordiGH>I hope you have enough room for all of those packages on your EeePC... I couldn't fit them into my 700.
11:20<JordiGH>(which only has two gigs)
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11:21<craigevil-eee>kde/lxde fit on my701 and only use 1.9gb of the 4gb ssd
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11:21<craigevil-eee>wouldnt gnome-desktop-environment be a better choice than gnome
11:22<JordiGH>craigevil: Crazy, KDE uses less space than Gnome nowadays?
11:23<craigevil-eee>i dont have things like the kde games
11:24<evertt_zufelt>craigevilDoes gnome install things that I won't want?
11:24<craigevil-eee>no gnome is what you want
11:24<amdgoon>evertt_zufelt: have you considered using xfce for a desktop?
11:24<craigevil-eee>gnome-desktop-environment will pull in everything gnome
11:25<evertt_zufelt>JordiGH: I have an hdd based eeepc (900ha)
11:26<JordiGH>evertt_zufelt: Lucky.
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11:26<evertt_zufelt>craigevilif I install gnome-desktop-environment do I need to install xorg and / or xorg-server first?
11:26<Woet>My server keeps freezing, and once I finally got on, it reported a very high load (20.0). Are there any logs to find out what used so much CPU?
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11:27<screenn>mjk it works now ;)
11:27<amdgoon>evertt_zufelt: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment will list what it is going to install.
11:27<JordiGH>evertt_zufelt: Since theoretically you could install Gnome and X-forward all of it to another machine, you don't strictly speaking need an xserver on the machine with Gnome.
11:27<petemc>Woet: you didnt get a look at top? have a look in syslog/messages
11:28<Woet>petemc: I did, nothing there
11:28<petemc>there wouldnt be, unless the oom killer was triggered
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11:28<petemc>you would need to have some sort of accounting in place to log stuff like memory usage
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11:29<screenn>sometimes the reading of the README in docs is assists!
11:29<macrut>I have just installed an hex editor
11:29<macrut>for understand how it runs
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11:29<macrut>and I don't get it
11:29<macrut>what can you dou with that program?
11:30<petemc>read binary files
11:31<petemc>what would you like to be able to do with a hex editor?
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11:39<evertt_zufelt>JordiGH: Ok, well I've installed sid with debootstrap and now I'm installing gnome-desktop-environment. Do you know if I will have to install anything else to get gnome up and running on this install? Do I need to change the default runlevel?
11:40<JordiGH>evertt_zufelt: Nah, apt takes care of all those boring details.
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11:42<evertt_zufelt>JordiGH: This has been quite a long way around to get debian installed... but it seems like it will work.
11:42<JordiGH>(well, technically dpkg, I guess)
11:42<petemc>you'll need to specify xserver-xorg as well
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11:43<evertt_zufelt>petemc: Can you explain that a little better, I've never had to install linux like this before.
11:44<petemc>gnome doesnt depend on xorg, so you'll want to install it as well
11:44<petemc>unless you're running x on another box
11:45<evertt_zufelt>petemc: So far I have: 1. created a partition in Ubuntu and formated it with the ext3 fs. 2. mounted the filesystem. 3. used debutstrap to get sid onto that filesystem. 4. chroot to the filesystem. 5. apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
11:46<evertt_zufelt>petemc: so I need to do an apt-get install xserver-xorg ?
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11:46<mrvn>evertt_zufelt: better x-window-system
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11:46<JordiGH>evertt_zufelt: In Debian, use aptitude.
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11:47<JordiGH>Unless you have good reason not to. If in doubt, you don't have a good reason. ;-)
11:47<evertt_zufelt>JordiGH: Have I messed something up by using apt-get for gnome-desktop-environment?
11:48<evertt_zufelt>JordiGH: Should I stop it and redo it with aptitude
11:48<JordiGH>evertt_zufelt: Nah, you're just not gonna get recommends, which you want most of the time.
11:48<mrvn>JordiGH: sure he does
11:48<JordiGH>evertt_zufelt: aptitude is generally smarter than apt-get in other ways.
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11:50<evertt_zufelt>JordiGH: Ok, in the future I'll use aptitude. And after gnome-desktop-environment I'll install x-window-system and gnome-orca, we'll see how far that takes me.
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11:53<petern>gah, automatically installing recommends annoys me
11:54<petern>like when something recommended a separate kernel driver... so it wanted to pull in all the kernel sources and a compiler chain... for something i didn't need :o
11:54<taziden>petern: you can disable this in aptitude options
11:54<JordiGH>petern: Well, then you have a good reason to not use aptitude in its default state. ;-)
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11:55<mrvn>or just unselect the extra stuff in the TUI.
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11:56<fxiny>or use debfoster , from the beginning ...
11:57<koollman>or just use aptitude -R
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11:57<craigevil>nah just add APT::Install-Recommends "0"; and APT::Install-Recommends "0"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf
11:58<EmleyMoor>evgeniy: hedge? <g>
11:58<fxiny>since aptitude improved so much , i'm letting it installing recommended
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11:59<cahoot>with modern hd sizes why bother?
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12:00<Woet>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 Jan 2 12:26 samp.ban -> /home/agentlopez/server1046/samp.ban
12:00<Woet>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 Jan 2 12:27 server_log.txt -> /home/agentlopez/server1046/server_log.txt
12:00<Woet>why does this show up as folders at FTP?
12:00<Woet>they're just files :/
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12:00<evertt_zufelt>Can someone send me an example of the grub menu entry for sid, or direct me somewhere that I can find an example?
12:02<fxiny>i get space back by installing localepurge , wish i could purge useless fonts ...
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12:03<fxiny>most of the time i don't even know some recommened packages exist
12:03<fxiny>so why not installing them if i am so ignorant ?
12:04<EmleyMoor>I,ve found out about things that way too
12:04<EmleyMoor>I'll reach better for the ' as time goe on
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12:07<fxiny>and i have debfoster taking notes . if only debofoster could keep "keepers" backups at every new apt/aptitude run . i do it manually.
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12:10<mrvn>fxiny: write an apt hook.
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12:12<amdgoon>does syaptic also install recommends in its default configuration?
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12:14<fxiny>mrvn: there are two more things missing : detailed aptitude logs (with packages versions and repo source "a la apt-get install") , and a specific command to delete only reduntant packages version from the cache
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12:16<chealer>amdgoon: yes
12:16<amdgoon>ok, thanks
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12:21<amdgoon>thanks chealer
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12:32<kleptog>quite bizarrely I lost "locate" during my etch->lenny upgrade... must have done something wrong
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12:34<amdgoon>kleptog: apt-get install slocate
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12:35<amdgoon>or package findutils
12:35<kleptog>installing locate works, slocate might have been better though.... still getting used to the new desktop look
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12:36<Light_yagami>Guitar Hero!
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12:37<upsy>kleptog: you probably didn't do anything wrong, it just happens
12:37<upsy>iirc i lost gdm on etch-> lenny
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12:40<themill>!missing locate
12:40<dpkg>locate is no longer in the findutils package and is now in the packages locate, slocate or mlocate (and /usr/bin/locate is managed using the alternatives system). For more information, look at the changelog and README.Debian files for findutils (or locate) versions 4.2.31-2 or later.
12:40<themill>mlocate is an excellent replacement
12:40<kleptog>I lost my wireless during the upgrade (not totally unexpected I suppose) and it now pauses 30 seconds during boot doing nothing
12:41<kleptog>but other than that pretty smooth
12:41*fxiny uses find
12:41<kleptog>HTML::TreeBuilder not giving UTF-8 output anymore, that's more annoying
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12:42<themill>fxiny: find is fine as long as you've got a small search space. If you don't (even $HOME is too large for me to use find on), then locate is better.
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12:44<fxiny>themill: of course locate is better , but i use find , usually on a specific tree . i'm so used to i always forget locate even on a large search
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12:48<kleptog>Package slocate is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source... obviously today not a good day to upgrade :)
12:49<themill>!why is slocate not in testing
12:49<dpkg>slocate is not in testing for the reasons listed in
12:49<amdgoon>sorry kleptog, my system is a bit stale now. The packge with locate has a new name
12:49<themill>kleptog: just use mlocate :)
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13:16<kleptog>another thing that changed after upgrade: if I stick a usb stick in, it no longer mounts it
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13:35<vyrgozunqk>its so quiet
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13:48<kdas>can some one help me out with nvidia drivers and new kernel ?
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13:49<mcprtk>hello ppl
13:49<jaybocc2>whats goin on
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13:49<anthonyplay>is there a fast server to download debian testing ?
13:50<Pryon> ?
13:50<mcprtk>whr r u frm? i use the japanese server!
13:50<anthonyplay>i'm french
13:51<anthonyplay>i'm downloading testing at 40ko/s max now :(
13:51<mcprtk>on the top right corner, select france. should give u better speed
13:52<anthonyplay>no it selects french servers just for stable release
13:53<anthonyplay>i'll test torrent, maybe it's fast
13:53<vyrgozunqk>yep, use the torrent its much faster
13:53<vyrgozunqk>or use jigjo
13:53<mcprtk>at the bottom, there are testing isos
13:55<anthonyplay>vyrgozunqk, what's jigjo ?
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13:55<mcprtk>thats jigdo
13:55<jaybocc2>torrent is the fastest you will find. TONS of people seed it
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13:56<vyrgozunqk>yep jigdo i met
13:56<jaybocc2>i run at least 1.5mB/s torrenting releases
13:57<kdas>so is there any nvidia users ?
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13:57<shze>how do I start a KDE session from within gdb? (bug #510181; the startx|startkde scripts cannot be started in gdb)
13:57<mcprtk>nvidia user here :-D
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13:58<mcprtk>anyone knows when lenny is gonna be stable?
13:58<mcprtk>hey greg
13:58<jaybocc2>as long as it takes
13:58<kleptog>when it's ready?
13:58<kdas>mcprtk, i have a few questions: 1. i get a beeping noise sometimes when i log on (only in linux) 2.sometimes (windows & linux) when i boot up i get a red hazy screen and it resets. any ideas?
13:59<greg110774>sorry it's the first time that I come on irc
13:59<greg110774>what about irc?
13:59<jaybocc2>kdas : that sounds like a video card going bad to be honest.
13:59<kdas>jaybocc2, this is a new damn laptop :((
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14:00<kdas>jaybocc2, i guess i will get replacement or something
14:00<mcprtk>kdas check for cpu temperature/ fan speed........
14:00<kdas>mcprtk, how ? and what am i looking for ?
14:00<greg110774>allright... I think linux is a good hobbie, i'm belgian, my english is not very good
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14:01<mcprtk>while booting, press del or something which lets u enter the BIOS settings, from there, u can check fan speed.
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14:01<jaybocc2>kdas : there are a lot of tools to monitor that in windows... motherboard monitor is a good one, speedfan, and coretemp are others
14:01<mcprtk>as well as cpu temp.
14:01<greg110774>somedy speak french to help me please? happy new year everybody
14:01<jaybocc2>or you can check in the bios as mcprtk stated.
14:01<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
14:01<vonsp>where debian package system puts examples of configuration files for warsow-server package ?
14:02<greg110774>thank you, it's fabalous ... speed and speed
14:02<valdyn>vonsp: did you look at /usr/share/doc/<packagename> ?
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14:02<themill>apt-file show warsow-server
14:02<kdas>damn sorry did any one write to me ?
14:02<vonsp>valdyn, yes, nor in warsow-data, nor in warsow-server no configuration files (
14:03<jaybocc2>kdas : there are a lot of tools to monitor that in windows... motherboard monitor is a good one, speedfan, and coretemp are others
14:03<jaybocc2>or you can check in the bios as mcprtk stated.
14:03<vonsp>also no in /usr/lib/games/warsow/*
14:03<vonsp>and no in user ~/.warsow directory
14:03<jaybocc2>i'm not sure of linux based monitoring tools
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14:03<themill>vonsp: apt-file show warsow-data
14:03<valdyn>vonsp: what about default configuration in /etc ?
14:04<greg110774>is it possible to have the same like terminator on Xp... to do the same on linux and xp inthe shell
14:04<themill>vonsp: or dpkg -L warsow-data
14:04<kdas>mcprtk, jaybocc2, ok one last question how the heck do i get nvidia drivers to work with newest kernel 2.6.28 ?
14:04<valdyn>kdas: not at all
14:05<vonsp>valdyn, it is a game server and yet, finding 'warsow' in /etc - no results
14:05<vonsp>themill, thanks, it helps
14:05<vonsp>they are was in /usr/share/games/warsow/cfgs
14:05<jaybocc2>kdas, there should be drivers available on the nvidia website that are compatable with linux
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14:06<valdyn>they dont have drivers for 2.6.28 on the website.
14:06<mcprtk>kdas, i havent tested 2.6.28, since im on 2.6.26. download nvidia binary drivers from the site, then install build-essential, linux headers and kernel source packages
14:06<kdas>jaybocc2, is there not a debian way?
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14:07<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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14:07<greg110774>goodbye the cyberpunks:) rock'n'roll is not dead
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14:08<valdyn>kdas: theres a new beta driver 180.17, that one should work
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14:08<valdyn>kdas: but dont ask me for assistance installing it or fixing anything
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14:09<kdas>valdyn, ok, i was just hoping to do it debian way
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14:09<Valtiel-ASD>why k3b don't writing a disk from bin/cue image file
14:10<kdas>valdyn, ok, i was just hoping to do it debian way
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14:10<Valtiel-ASD>no permissions for open device
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14:10<mrvn>Valtiel-ASD: bin/cue, bin/cue, bin/cue or bin/cue?
14:10<mcprtk>any assistance on installing cs46xx based soundcards in debian testing? they work fine on etch, but dont work at all in lenny
14:10<Valtiel-ASD>but iMac write it no problem
14:10<Valtiel-ASD>on toast titanium
14:10<Valtiel-ASD>why ?
14:11<Valtiel-ASD>bin image with cue file
14:11<Valtiel-ASD>mdf and mds
14:11<Valtiel-ASD>like alkohole 120% on windows
14:11<Valtiel-ASD>bin 600 mb sized
14:12<Valtiel-ASD>and 65 kb cue file with information about bin i think
14:12<fxiny>Valtiel-ASD: convert it to iso
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14:12<valdyn>Valtiel-ASD: k3b should do this just fine
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14:12<Valtiel-ASD>but k3b support it in mebu
14:12<Valtiel-ASD>iso bin/cue and more
14:13<fxiny>Valtiel-ASD: bin2iso , anything2iso , ask google
14:13<valdyn>Valtiel-ASD: maybe you dont have cdrdao installed
14:13<avu>20:10 < Valtiel-ASD> no permissions for open device
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14:13<avu>sounds more like there is, well, a permission problem :)
14:13<Valtiel-ASD>iso writing without problems
14:14<Valtiel-ASD>and i chek i'm in group cdrom
14:14<valdyn>Valtiel-ASD: what is the error message?
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14:15<Valtiel-ASD>error no permissions for open device
14:15<Valtiel-ASD>i can't remember
14:15<jaybocc2>Anybody: What is a good log parser for general system use that i can use remotely with ease through a dump email or whatever?
14:15<Valtiel-ASD>cdrdao is installed
14:15<valdyn>Valtiel-ASD: dont expect us to guess when you are lazy to get the actual error message
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14:19<s_i_m>jaybocc2, logcheck maybe?
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14:20<jaybocc2>thanks s_i_m.
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14:20<Valtiel-ASD>valdyn: i don't have a disk right now
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14:36<glu>if anyone have time... i have many questions about linux...debian...
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14:38<h2>happy new year debianers. I'm debating switching my main desktop from sidux/sid to straight debian, but I'm wondering about what the major differences in day to day operation you find between running straight sid and running testing
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14:38<h2>I already run some etches for boxes I don't want to really change or be exciting, but stable takes a tad too long between releases to use as my main box
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14:39<amphi>testing has long worked well for me, with hardly a glitch - I don't run sid, so I can't compare
14:39<h2>I'm aware of a few minor things, like flash being only available from marillat for testing, but what other things have you found to be missing in testing? stepping away from the breaks of sid is tempting
14:40<h2>amphi: yes, I have little doubt that testing would work well
14:40<amphi>nothing that springs to mind - I don't have flash installed here in any case
14:40<glu>h2 is sid really unstabe?
14:40<h2>I do web dev so I need certain things to work
14:40<h2>glu: in my opinion yes
14:40<avu>h2, I've switched my laptop from sid to testing a while ago as it became my main work machine at home and haven't noticed any regressions
14:41<glu>like windows? lol
14:41<avu>h2, I just have to do a few more backports than before
14:41<h2>avu: that's exactly the type of feedback I'm interested in
14:41<h2>avu: ah, ok, that's my real question: which backports did you need to use?
14:41<h2>glu: I support about 5000 sid users, give or take, could be 10k
14:42<avu>h2, at the moment, die only packages I have backported from sid are mpc, mpd, libmpd and gmpc
14:42<h2>I have a fairly good idea about the real world issues with sid
14:42<avu>the, not die :)
14:42<avu>a little German creeping in there :)
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14:42<h2>what are those apps?
14:42<h2>I don't know them that well
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14:42<h2>testing I have to admit feels nice
14:42<avu>h2, mpd is the music player daemon
14:42<h2>oh, that one, ok,
14:43<avu>h2, the others are clients for said daemon
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14:43<h2>yes, that's the kind of thing I guess I wonder about
14:43<avu>h2, and there's git, which I have backported from experimental though
14:43<h2>ok, so you do find some stuff
14:43<avu>of course
14:43<h2>I have too, but it's not a lot
14:43<avu>especially at the moment, where testing is frozen
14:44<h2>right, this is an odd time
14:44<avu>if it isn't it's just a matter of waiting 10 days in most cases
14:44<h2>not really representative, but also I find an excellent time to develop or do new things
14:45<h2>avu yes, what you're saying is what I'm leaning towards, though I'd maintain at least a few sid or sidux boxes for testing and debugging
14:45<h2>and moving to sid isn't very hard anyway
14:45<h2>from testing
14:45<avu>exactly. so even if you're not happy with your choice, it's easy to change :)
14:45<h2>very tempting
14:45<h2>my current setup has had a few too many alpha development tests done on it
14:45<glu>so the best.. is to take testing with backports of unstable?
14:46<h2>has too many glitches
14:46<h2>glu: is backporting from sid easy to do?
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14:46<h2>that would be appealing
14:46<avu>glu, it's what I do, that doesn't mean it's *best*
14:46<avu>h2, sure
14:46<h2>that sounds like the best of both worlds
14:46<avu>h2, in most cases, it's just a matter of getting the source package from sid and building it
14:47<h2>hmm, lol
14:47<h2>I might not be doing thast
14:47<avu>how else would you do it? :)
14:47<h2>don't know
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14:47<h2>that's why I'm asking now
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14:47<glu>Are there any page with software list to use in linux because im new... I mean some basic software everyone needs... like audio-video player, converters,....
14:48<h2>here's a slightly unrelated question re the debian installer, in expert mode, is there a way to make it NOT format the partitions you select for install?
14:48<h2>especially swap
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14:48<avu>glu, you can have a look at the popcon stats to see what's popular :)
14:48<avu>h2, you don't even need expert mode for that iirc
14:48<glu>avu popcon stats - explain please
14:48<dpkg>from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
14:49<h2>avu I always use the expert mode, I need it for the type of install I do, clean business card with no desktops
14:49<mrvn>avu: going by popcon more people have ia32-libs installed than dpkg. :))
14:49<h2>but I couldn't find a way to make it not format the partitions
14:49<h2>doesn't really matter, it's not hard to redo the stuff,
14:50<avu>I know I did several installations keeping the /home partitions in tact
14:50<glu>cool thanks
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14:51<h2>avu: but telling the installer to use them?
14:51<h2>maybe I just missed something
14:51<avu>mrvn, well of course, dpkg is for neophytes anyway. a real man uses ar and vi to install his packages
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14:51<avu>h2, by telling the partitioner in the installer not to format the partition I shose for /home, yes
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14:52<h2>I'm going to have to look again, I thought when I told it to not partition it would just loop back
14:52<h2>maybe I misread an option
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14:52<glu>how can I modify gnome style? are there any tutorials... or... something similar?
14:52<Dracie>anyone here have one of them new apple keyboards?
14:53<h2>ok, thanks for the infos
14:53<Dracie>glu, you can modify themes the way they were made, or you could use gnome appearance manager to modify theming to an extent
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14:54<mrvn>nicht eher read-to-recieve?
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14:55<glu>Dracie is there any script that I can use so I do it my style from 0?
14:56<Dracie>glu, i really don't know... has some very good resources
14:56<glu>ok thanks
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14:57<glu>why compiz doesnt work on debian? I installed it with synaptic everything was ok... and when I make settings nothing hapenes...
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15:11<And1>Heya. How can I have gdm start on :0 and :1 (I mean the displays CTRL-ALT-F7 and F8)?
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15:18<southafrikanse>Hello. My friend has a problem. He's unable to copy a large file from a pen drive to ubuntu. It says "No space left in hard drive", however he does has space. Any thoughts about that?
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15:22<h2>southafrikanse: what size file on the pen drive, and what formatting on the pen drive
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15:22<theocrite>Is there a benchmark about the use of a computer with and without encription of the / ? I used the automatic encrption+LVM proposed by the installer and it seems *way* slower.
15:22<h2>if it's fat, I think it has a 2 gig limit
15:22<southafrikanse>h2, I guess it's a new pen drive
15:23<southafrikanse>so maybe it is fat
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15:23<southafrikanse>h2, so that would be the problem? I don't remember seeing that problem anywhere else
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15:23<h2>southafrikanse: yes
15:24<h2>depends on the file size
15:24<h2>and the usb stick formatting
15:24<h2>I prefer ext2 for such things
15:24<southafrikanse>h2, thanks
15:24<h2>or 3 if I want to make sure about data loss
15:24<h2>fat32 has I believe a < 4 gig limit, fat I think is < 2 gig
15:24<vonsp>how can i use non-demonising application in debian init.d initscripts ? i modified skeleton, so it runs and works well, but in foreground... is there any way to send it to bg from this initscript and not to broke debian demon-control system ?
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15:27<southafrikanse>I have a problem on debian. After a while my screen turns black and I'm unable to do anything. It looks like it's starts blinking or something like that
15:28<southafrikanse>I don't have the screensaver activated
15:28<svend>vonsp: Try using start-stop-daemon with --background
15:28<And1>Hey folks, what's wrong about this .desktop file?
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15:30<svend>southafrikanse: Is your computer frozen (caps-lock doesn't change the LED), or is the screen just blank?
15:30<southafrikanse>svend, the screen only
15:30<southafrikanse>why do you ask?
15:31<svend>Different problems.
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15:31<svend>Are you running X?
15:31<southafrikanse>svend, yes
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15:32<svend>You could try disabling DPMS, either in xorg.conf, or using xset.
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15:32<southafrikanse>svend, what is DPMS?
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15:33<southafrikanse>can you guide me? And why should I disable it?
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15:33<Supaplex>southafrikanse: it's power management. just a google click away.
15:34<svend>southafrikanse: 'xset -dpms' should disable it. Check the xset man page for xset usage.
15:34<vonsp>svend, thanks!
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15:35<southafrikanse> -dpms The -dpms option disables DPMS (Energy Star) features.
15:35<southafrikanse>svend, isn't this when I'm not doing anything on my laptop?
15:36<southafrikanse>Even if I'm on the laptop it happens.
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15:36<svend>DPMS screen-blanking shouldn't kick in when you are using the keyboard or mouse.
15:37<southafrikanse>svend, thanks
15:37<southafrikanse>hope that will fix the problem
15:37<svend>If you switch to a text console using ctrl-F1 or ctl-F2, does the screen come back on?
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15:43<southafrikanse>wrong tab
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15:50<jeffpc>I upgraded, and now hald is ignoring my /home (xfs on LVM) which confuses amarok. is this the place for this? or is there a debian/hal-specific channel?
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15:58<newsense>hey how can i edit an encrypted file ?
15:58<Dracie>newsense, unencrypt it
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15:59<newsense>ahh ok simple as that, shoulda figured
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16:00<svend>newsense: Depending on the encryption and the editor, there may be a plugin to automate the decryption/re-encryption. I use a gnupg plugin for vim.
16:00<newsense>heh says no pgp data found
16:01<newsense>i install harden and it installs tripwire but i wat to move the db to a sd card however the config file is encrypted and i cant edit it
16:02<newsense>im reading the man now so im sure ill eventually get there
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16:15<goodger>hello, quick question: where are logs from NFS written on etch?
16:16<abrotman>weasel: these are normally text files where information about things that have happened on the system
16:16*abrotman hides
16:17<goodger>yes. I am trying to find additional information to assist a kernel developer who contacted me about the new year's crash
16:17<abrotman>goodger: what kind of logs, storing what kind of information?
16:18<goodger>this machine appeared to hang completely at 23:59:59 and required a hard reset. no further logs were written. I want to know from my NFS server whether it continued operating my NFS mount after this time
16:18<goodger>this is poorly phrased
16:18<weasel>goodger: which TZ are you in?
16:18<goodger>¬.¬ why?
16:19<weasel>because it means that this was the time of the leap second :)
16:19<petern>i've never known nfs to log :o
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16:19<petern>although i've not used it for years...
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16:20<goodger>weasel: well, yes, precisely... I am trying to determine the exact nature of the crash, since it is of interest to the kernel devs apparently, and I was careless enough to just hit the reset button immediately after trying ctrl-alt-back a couple of times
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16:23<Aquarina>has anyone installed debian on a mac oldworld using quik as the boot manager?
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16:25<abrotman>ppc or m68k? there are channels for both
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16:26<Aquarina>abrotman, noone answers on debianppc
16:27<abrotman>don't forget it's friday afternoon/evening
16:27<abrotman>i've only used .. uhm .. yaboot i guess
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16:29<kingsley>Which package, if any, distributes processes across a local network, is a daemon, and doesn't require applications to be recompiled?
16:29<glu>is it normal that when I refresh synapric manager i get fail links?
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16:30<Aquarina>abrotman, yaboot is for newworld only, tks
16:30<abrotman>yeah, just sharing :)
16:30<Aquarina>i realy need quik (i suppose)
16:31<Xgamerz>what a kerenel of debian 404 ? 2.6 ?
16:31<abrotman>there is also a #debianppc on
16:31<Aquarina>well... no luck then
16:31<Aquarina>abrotman, i'm in there
16:31<abrotman>Xgamerz: 4.0r6 has a 2.6.18 and a 2.6.24
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16:48<evanklug>r u there???
16:49<evanklug>where are you???
16:49<jaybocc2>no we are not.
16:49<evanklug>why won't you talk 2 me?
16:49<barnes>god is not here if that who you are searching for
16:49<jackyf>evandar: you haven't asked
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16:49<evanklug>what the fuck
16:49<jackyf>evanklug: ^^
16:49<Hydroxide>evanklug: this is not a general chat channel
16:49<evanklug>its not?
16:49<Hydroxide>evanklug: this is a channel for people to ask technical support questions related to Debian
16:50<evanklug>but im not leaving
16:50<Hydroxide>evanklug: you're welcome to be here, but please do your general chatting elsewhere
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16:50<evanklug>where though
16:50<abrotman>evanklug: #debian-offtopic
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16:50<Hydroxide>evanklug: that's up to you, and the rules for whever else you go.
16:51<evanklug>where else should i chat then??
16:51<abrotman>evanklug: #debian-offtopic
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16:51<Hydroxide>oddly impatient...
16:51<gungan>has anyone here worked with creating a debian cd with the amd64 arch?
16:52<abrotman>you mean burning the ISO ?
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16:52<gungan>creating the ISO
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16:53<evanklug>anyone here?
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16:53<abrotman>evanklug: #debian-offtopic
16:53<io_>ciao ubuntu italia<?
16:53<abrotman>io_: #ubuntu on
16:53<gungan>I've been hanging out in debian-custom but have not had any replies. So I'm checking just in general if anyone else has had experience with it
16:53<evanklug>i m NOT leaving
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16:53<abrotman>io_: or #ubuntu-it
16:53<Hydroxide>evanklug: nobody is trying to make you leave.
16:53<abrotman>evanklug: go to #debian-offtopic if you want a general chat
16:53<evanklug>u did b 4
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16:53<abrotman>evanklug: if you want to talk about Debian, this channel is fine
16:53<Hydroxide>evanklug: just please keep conversation in here limited to Debian-related technical support issues
16:54<Hydroxide>evanklug: you're welcome to stay and listen regardless
16:54<evanklug>are you in heaven and why did you die?
16:54-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
16:54<evanklug>my cousin 4 year old made me say this
16:54-!-mode/#debian [+q evanklug!*@*] by weasel
16:54<abrotman>he can still watch!
16:54*Hydroxide nods
16:55<goodger>well, I didn't find any logs on my etch system
16:55<goodger>but I was still able to submit a lengthy and hopefully useful report on the crash
16:57<goodger>it was odd. the system just stopped, as if the ALU was in an infinite loop...
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17:30<mib_jhuritlq>hi guys. Does anyone know if I can make postgres on Ubuntu use another directory than /var/run/postgresql for its .lock files? I try to run postgresql as a non-root user and get permission denied on startup for a lock file in that directory
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17:30<mib_jhuritlq>"could not create lock file "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.65432.lock": Permission denied"
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17:31<mib_jhuritlq>65432 is the port so it's some kind of socket lock mechanism I guess
17:31<Gathond>postgresql should iirc be run as the postgres user
17:31<abrotman>mib_jhuritlq: #ubuntu on please
17:31<mib_jhuritlq>someone suggested unix_socket_directory='/tmp' but that does not seem to do it
17:32<mib_jhuritlq>abrtoman: ok, I tried there but got drowned out
17:32<Gathond>at least that is the default setup in debian (although root initially starts It I assume)
17:32<weasel>/etc/init.d/postgres* start?
17:32<mib_jhuritlq>Gathond: Actually I need to run a postgres instance as a normal user
17:33<mib_jhuritlq>weasel: I start it up manually, not as a service
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17:35<Gathond>so give that user access to /var/run/postgresql, well or change the configuration you use when you start it to point somewhere else
17:35<andrei>Hi, is there a way to check the integrity of all the packages of a system (I'm wondering if any files got overwritten)?
17:36<mrvn>andrei: check out debsums
17:36<amdgoon>andrei: yes
17:36<goodger>andrei: also investigate rootkit testers that check for the integrity of key files --- can't remember any names atm, run an APT search for "rootkit"
17:37<andrei>Thank you
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17:39<goodger>weasel: thank for you alerting me to debsums BTW, it looks most useful
17:39<hdon>hi all. i'm using gcc 4.1.2 from the etch repository. are there any known problems with dereferencing assignment? i'm getting SIGILL and I don't know why!
17:40<kilaung>is an idiot.
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17:40<goodger>kilaung: the syntax is "/me is an idiot"
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17:40<kilaung>really? but my username makes it a full sentence.
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17:41<nesro>Hello form Czech republic :-)
17:41<kilaung>hello from krakhozhia.
17:41<goodger>your username is not considered part of the message body, and may well be omitted or displayed somewhere apart from the immediate left of the message body
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17:42<kilaung>oh, your right!
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17:42<kilaung>like: GOODGER is an idiot.
17:42<nesro>i am little scared
17:42<andrei>I just upgraded a system from Etch to Lenny, and my keyboard when running X is acting oddly. It spews out garbage instead of characters; although only when I press something, it never does the right thing and is unusable. (I'm asking about the integrity checks not due to a rootkit issue but because I'm wondering if I overwrote a library after I installed, although that's unlikely)
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17:42<abrotman>kilaung: do not call people names
17:43*goodger nods
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17:43<andrei>I tried running xinput from outside X with DISPLAY to see what the settings are, but it crashed X and my keyboard stopped working
17:43<nesro>Tak se mějte, za chvíli půjdus spinkat. Dám si ještě díl HIMYM a jdu :-) Dobrou. Xubuntu je nej :-)
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17:43<abrotman>nesro: #xubuntu on
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17:44<nesro>Thanks :-) goodbye
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17:51<dima1236>anyone here could help me with bonding 2 nic cards ?
17:51<dpkg>from memory, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package See for some general info (beware, it's older, note the Date)
17:52<mrvn>It helps to have a bonding capable switch and a module that supports that switches bonding format
17:52<mrvn>Unless you want to to point-to-point bonding between 2 linux systems
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17:53<dima1236>i got a box with 2 lan cards and 2 internet ips
17:53<dima1236>i need to balanace traffic
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17:53<dima1236>what is the best solution ?
17:53<weasel>read the lartc howto
17:54<mrvn>dima1236: why do you need to balance traffic?
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17:55<Supaplex>dima1236: your packets could of had a v8
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17:57<mrvn>Der besitzt duerfte doch unter fair use fallen.
17:57<weasel>mrvn: ewin.
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18:02<dima1236>i got 2x100mbps ports
18:03<dima1236>i need to balance it
18:03<dima1236>because at the moment 1 is 100% in use
18:03<dima1236>and other is 0%
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18:04<mrvn>So you need to balance the ethernet ports. That's what bonding will do for you.
18:04<dima1236>thats what i did
18:04<dima1236>now still only 1 lan card is 100%
18:04<dima1236>and allso some dns problems
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18:04<dima1236>and sockets
18:04<dima1236>all internet progies started to be slow
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18:05<dima1236>any ideas?
18:05<mrvn>you did the bonding wrong.
18:06<dima1236>i did it by the guide
18:06<mrvn>Have you configured the switch to do bonding on the 2 ports yet?
18:06<dima1236>i dont have access to the switch
18:06<mrvn>dima1236: it won't configure itself.
18:06<dima1236>i used balance-alb it says it dont need special switch config
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18:07<Zone2>am I in the right place to ask a question ?
18:07<mrvn>dima1236: what if the switch has vlans configured so it will only accept one IP on each of your ports?
18:08<mrvn>Zone2: that already was a question
18:08<Zone2>good point
18:09<dima1236>mrvn dont really know what you talking about
18:09<mrvn>dima1236: you should talk to the person that controls the switch.
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18:09<Zone2>I do not want to bother anyone if i am in the wrong place. I need some assistance with my game box. I am trying to ditch XP and hit a stump with nvidia drivers. Can I find such assistance in this chat?
18:10<abrotman>Zone2: what OS are you using?
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18:10<Zone2>Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
18:10<abrotman>Zone2: you want #ubuntu on
18:10<Zone2>cool ty
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18:11*goodger throws up arms in disbelief
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18:11<goodger>serious question --- how on earth do so many ubuntu users manage to get in here?
18:11<mrvn>I was wondering the same thing.
18:12<goodger>I know for a fact that ubuntu defaults to #ubuntu, so unless they have sadistically patched all the IRC clients to very very occasionally go to #debian...
18:12<themill>because of things like which are still not fixed.
18:12<abrotman>goodger: not all clients in *buntu do
18:13<goodger>that's colossally stupid
18:13<mrvn>Debian should patch them to use lsb_release to find the irc channel to use. :)
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18:13<andrei>I just upgraded a system from Etch to Lenny, and my keyboard when running X spews out garbage instead of characters; although only when I press something, it never does the right thing and is unusable.
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18:14<mrvn>andrei: have you checked that it uses the right keymap?
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18:15<goodger>andrei: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
18:16<andrei>mrvn: goodger: It spews garbage (non-deterministic data), not the wrong characters
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18:17<dima1236>mrvn bonding works now
18:17<dima1236>but what could be the delay problem ?
18:17<dima1236>like it takes some time to resolve dns
18:17<dima1236>or wget
18:17<dima1236>or wine
18:17<dima1236>it happend after bonding
18:20<mrvn>dima1236: it tries on the 2nd port, the switch drops it because the MAC is wrong, it times out, it retries on the right port.
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18:20<mrvn>dima1236: or any number of other problems.
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18:22<andrei>goodger: mrvn: Did that and there's no difference
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18:23<braton>hello, i have install a printer to my machine...when i go to print o file, nothing happens,
18:24<braton>i see in Print Status that the file i just send for print is in status Completed
18:24<braton>and in the /var/log/cups/error_log i see this error
18:25<mrvn>andrei: then I guess it is time for reportbug
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18:25<braton>cupsdAuthorize: Local Authentication certificate not found
18:25<braton>can anyone tell me how to fix this problem?
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18:30<Txt-file>I have a problem with the propritary AMD radeon-driver. Would someone try to help me?
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18:36<Txt-file> if I try to install the driver via aptitude or if I try to install via the ati-driver-installer
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18:36<sander_m>Hi all. I have just bought a new HP LasetJet M1120n (all-in-one). It is supported by hplip 2.8.9 and newer, but Lenny ships with 2.8.6. What is the recommended way to get a newer hplip in order to get my printer/scanner working?
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18:41<sander_m>Txt-file: So, you recommend I install it from experimental?
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18:44<abrotman>sander_m: you can try the source package
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18:45<Txt-file>sander_m: this would be a way. I use many experimental-packages but I love it to try new things. you can test it. in the worst case you can crash your system.
18:46<sander_m>abrotman: Can you be a bit more specific? Do you mean 2.8.12 from Or do you mean getting the source packages for the Debian experimental packages and using debuild to build it for my system?
18:46<dima1236>mrvn could i do balancing with iptables?
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18:47<sander_m>abrotman: Okay, I'll gove it a go :-)
18:48<syntax___>MotoHoss: greetings. I would like to learn C programming, however, I have no experience in any other real languages other than some basic scripting. are there any web sites out there with online material for beginners such as I that can take me through some basics to intermediate courses to learn?
18:48<syntax___>gah, that wasn't meant for MotoHoss, it was supposed to be prefixed with OT (Off Topic)
18:48<syntax___>evil IRC script
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18:52<h2>forgot another question: does aptitude have an equivalent to --assume-no
18:52<h2>in other words, I want to parse the output of aptitude something then have aptitude exit
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18:53<Tarcas>there's a command to do a dry run I believe.
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18:53<h2>not dry run
18:53<Tarcas>I don't know it off the top of my head... you'd have to check the man page.
18:53<h2>I just need it to exit where it says: hit y to continue or n to exit
18:53<blal>aptitude says something about many uninstalled packages being from an untrusted source. wtf? (i.e. do I have to do something with PGP keys?)
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18:54<blal>Should /etc/apt/secring.pgp be empty?
18:54<h2>is the apt-get command
18:54<h2>which wasn't at all obvious but it does the trick
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18:55<Tarcas>not at all obvious.
18:55<andrei>mrvn: Fixed, turns out we had a stray file in /usr/local/lib when building the nvidia drivers and somehow they statically linked against it
18:55<syntax___>why not use apt-get?
18:56<h2>syntax___: it's for a script that supports both apt-get and aptitude
18:56<h2>I do use apt-get for people who use it
18:56<h2>but I'd like the feature to work for both
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18:56<syntax___>so you want it to do the equilivant of apt-get upgrade or install but exit at the y/n?
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18:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:57<h2>--assume-no would be the perfect command, which sadly doesn't exist
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18:58<syntax___>what happens with the -P flag?
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18:58<Thornley>Hello, I'm trying to remove a package but apt is giving me an error. I've posted the error here: --- Could anyone offer me some help?
18:59<h2>syntax___: it dutifully prompts
18:59<h2>even -s doesn't work
18:59<syntax___>prompts for y/n?
18:59<h2>-s also prompts
18:59<h2>actually -s if it didn't prompt would work well
18:59<syntax___>try echo n | aptitude cmd here
18:59<abrotman>lay off the enter key
19:00<h2>syntax___: damn
19:00<h2>you're a genius
19:00<h2>I never would have thought of that method
19:00<h2>it works
19:00<themill>A script that calls apt-get or aptitude sounds suspiciously like something like something I never want to meet.
19:00<h2>themill: oh yes
19:01<h2>it's not written for debian core guys
19:01<h2>you guys don't need this type of stuff
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19:01<syntax___>leanred that from old DOS batch scripting
19:01<h2>syntax___: that is very slick, so the actual command works
19:01*syntax___ bows.
19:02<syntax___>Thornley, does /usr/share/games/FlightGear exist?
19:02<h2>themill but it's nothing horrible like that ubuntu thing, what's it called... that messy install script
19:02<h2>the name slips my mind
19:02<abrotman>debootstrap ?
19:03<h2>yes, that's the one
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19:03<syntax___>well, aptitude and apt-get only works as root or with sudo access, so if someone uses a script that calls upon that and it screws up their system, that's their fault
19:03<h2>I go to great lengths and pain to avoid making those invasive mistakes and errors
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19:04<h2>syntax___: it's worked pretty well for many
19:04<h2>few complaints
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19:04<h2>ok, thanks a lot
19:04<syntax___>I don't see why someone would want to use a script that uses the Debian package manager
19:04<blal>aptitude says something about many uninstalled packages being from an untrusted source. wtf? (i.e. do I have to do something with PGP keys?)
19:04<syntax___>no problem
19:04<h2>syntax___: no
19:05<syntax___>blal: do you have 3rd party sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
19:05<themill>blal: try pastebinning the output to save us guessing what it is
19:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:05<h2>that was why this got so popular, there's a sigificant gulf between how high skill debian types see things and how smart but less computer focused individuals see things
19:05<blal>syntax___ : Yes. That may not be hte problem... Should /etc/apt/secring.gpg be empty?
19:06<themill>blal: yes, it can be
19:06<syntax___>what themill said
19:06<h2>if you guys want a fun utterly non invasive one though, check out inxi
19:06<h2>it's a sys info script
19:06<h2>lots of ins and outs
19:06<syntax___>and he's not commenting on secring.gpg, he's referring to the 3rd party sources i n y our sources.list
19:06<h2>we just finished that one up
19:06<h2>works on irc
19:06<h2>but I won't use it here because I know you guys don't like excessive irc output
19:07<syntax___>h2: I don't find apt-get that tough to use, nor dpkg
19:07<h2>syntax___: nope
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19:07<syntax___>learning just the basics of them is not much to learn at all
19:07<h2>I dont' find many things tough either but for some reason my friends who don't work with computers do
19:07<h2>not arguing, just saying
19:07<h2>that's how it is
19:07<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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19:08<blal>themill: syntax___ : there is no output per se. Not Installed Packages -> admin -> main -> acct's description begins with "WARNING: This version of acct is from an untrusted source. (bla bla)
19:08<syntax___>people that don't put in the effort to learn basics will always need their hand held to type an e-mail
19:08<h2>oh, heh heh
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19:08<h2>syntax___: again, I'm not arguing, but many people have lives that do not include mastery of core systems in computers, and can do things we cannot do because of that
19:08<syntax___>blal: 3rd party sources in your sources.list are untrusted sources which can not be guarenteed
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19:09<themill>blal: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update ; apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy acct"
19:09<h2>those are my target audience more or less, not debian types who can be found here offering helpful advice
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19:10<syntax___>h2: there are GUI based front-ends to dpkg that work nearly as identical as Windows Update
19:10<blal>themill: (that was /etc/apt/sources.list; will paste your output in a sec)
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19:10<h2>syntax___: I'm not a fan of gui tools, lol
19:10<blal>syntax___ : uh yeah. I know that. Dig deeper plz.
19:10<syntax___>blal: good luck
19:10<h2>too hard to develop in them, add features, too restrictive for my personal dev taste
19:11<syntax___>blal: I find it difficult to assist people with attitudes such as yours
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19:11<h2>syntax___: but thanks a lot for pointing me in a direction I would never have considered
19:12<syntax___>h2: no worries, good luck
19:12<syntax___>happy new year, #Debian
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19:15<blal>themill: done did it:
19:16<blal>themill: i ran variants of your commands. the command is listed before its output. have a look; u'll get it.
19:17<themill>blal: and what's the output you get from "apt-get install acct"?
19:18<blal>themill: I don't need to install acct; that was a random example of a package not installed that is rather likely to be from an authentic source... Is it going to be educational to install acct and log the output?
19:18<blal>themill: Isn't there a list of GPG keys somewhere I should check or update?
19:18<blal>themill: indeed, how does apt determine which sources are trusted?
19:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 351] by debhelper
19:19<themill>blal: you may as well make sure you've got the debian-archive-keyring debian-backports-keyring and debian-multimedia-keyring packages installed.
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19:19<themill>!sercure apt
19:19<themill>!secure apt
19:19<dpkg>i guess secure apt is
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19:19<themill>dpkg, you're stupid
19:19*dpkg goes and sulks in the corner
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19:20<themill>blal: apt has a list of trusted keys -- see them with the command "apt-key list"
19:20<Tarcas>lol, themill
19:20<goodger>he has an answer for that, I think
19:23<blal>The messages are gone after
19:23<blal>themill: the messages are gone after installing the backports keys package... Not sure what to think about that.
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19:24<blal>themill: mainly coz acct doesn't have a backport
19:24<themill>blal: probably means that you didn't follow the instructions on the website about adding their key.
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19:25<blal>themill: Really. I didn't change anything in sources.list and did "aptitude upgrade" many many times w/o encountering the untrusted message.
19:26<blal>Whatever. Problem solved. Thanks, you guys!
19:26<sander_m>abrotman: Thanks for your help. hplip from experimental built and installed flawlessly on my Lenny system. hp-setup was then able to download the driver and setup the printer without any trouble.
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19:39<h2>works perfectly, thanks guys, echo 'n'...
19:39<h2>have a good new year if possible
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20:09<And1>When I'm starting my window manager with gdm, my .xsession-file (and also .xinitrc) aren't read/loaded. Any ideas?
20:09<And1>Usind Lenny here.
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20:22<jaybocc2>anybody know what the max capacity useable for debian 4.0r6 is? in a raid
20:22<jaybocc2>like 2TB or more
20:22<jaybocc2>32bit system
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20:22<goodger>do you mean what size volume does the filesystem you are using support?
20:23<jaybocc2>well i'm building a raid filesystem... got an adaptec hardware raid card with 256mb ddr2 cache that can handle 4 drives
20:24<jaybocc2>lookin to figure out what my max capacity so i don't buy too much space i can't use.
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20:25<goodger>well, ext3 will support ">16 TiB" with an 8 KiB block size.
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20:25<Guest42>I have no nickname
20:26<goodger>but that is only supported on specific architectures
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20:27<jaybocc2>using 32bit p4
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20:28<jaybocc2>Intel Pentium 4 (2.4Ghz) CPU 800Mhz FSB 512K L2 cache with Hyperthread technology
20:28<goodger>are you actually using ext3?
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20:30<jaybocc2>everything is using ext3 FS
20:30<goodger>I would not exceed a filesystem size of 2 TiB. but I'm the cautious type
20:31<goodger>I can't find enough information to give you more specific instructions, the lowest-common-denominator seems to be 2 TiB
20:31<jaybocc2>what about multiple 1TiB partitions?
20:32<jaybocc2>i thought i had read a few places that more than 2TiB was risky just wanted to confirm it
20:32<goodger>that would be fine, so far as ext3 is concerned. I have a terabyte-sized ext3 filesystem running on this system now, with lvm
20:33<jaybocc2>well yea, but how about 3x 1TiB partitions?
20:33<goodger>the partition size is largely irrelevant AFAIK. the filesystem size is the important factor
20:34<goodger>linux can easily mount three 1 TiB filesystems simultaneously, but you should not try to combine three partitions into one with LVM or something and then create a 3 TiB filesystem that exists across all three partitions
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20:36<goodger>which is inconvenient. which is one of the reasons ext4 was created, but the 2.6.28 kernel (with ext4) was released on christmas day, and is therefore not in many distributions; and it is not backward-compatible in this respect
20:36<drakeb>this might be of some help
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20:40<jaybocc2>thats a lot of help
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20:41<jaybocc2>and why is doing that with LVM bad? as i understood it that was a main benefit of LVM...
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20:41<goodger>jaybocc2: that's precisely what LVM is for
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20:41<goodger>the bad part is creating a 3 TiB ext3 filesystem, which we are treating as a bad idea
20:42<jaybocc2>ok, yea.
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20:42<goodger>if, however, you pick a larger block size for your ext3 filesystem, you can have larger filesystem sizes; but I cannot reliably determine which architectures support this
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20:43<jaybocc2>by architecture you mean hardware?
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20:43<goodger>processor type
20:43<jaybocc2>ok... as in 32bit vs 64bit?
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20:43<goodger>yours is i386, mine is amd64, others include ia_64 and alpha
20:43<goodger>yes, precisely
20:44<goodger>you can set your block size to 8 KiB and this will allow, for the filesystem, <32 GiB filesystem sizes. but your processor architecture may not support it
20:44<goodger>I will revise my previous recommendation, and say that an 8 TiB volume is probably going to be OK; but I cannot tell
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20:45<jaybocc2>i found a manual that states ext3 using 2.6 kernal limits filesystem size to 8TB with a theoretical limit on i386 having 16TB limit with 2.6 kernel
20:45<jaybocc2>thats slightly confusing lol
20:45<goodger>interesting. URL?
20:46<jaybocc2>i'm not 100% sure it applies to debian but it says linux VFS and VM
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20:46<goodger>ya, debian == linux in this regard, primarily
20:47<goodger>not sure what OST or MDT refers to here...
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20:49<jaybocc2>lots of things that could refer to
20:49<goodger>if it comes down to it, you can of course continue adding disks until it breaks, and then remove the last disk and use it elsewhere.
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20:51<goodger>(removing the disk, or perhaps trying to expand into it, will likely corrupt the filesystem, so you'd have not put any data in it)
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20:52<jaybocc2>yea i'm building a hardware raid5 setup
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20:53<goodger>depending on what RAID features you use, the filesystem size of the combination of the disks could be smaller than the sum of the capacities of the disks
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20:54<goodger>i.e., redundancy features
20:54<jaybocc2>yea raid5 is (n*drivecapacity)-1*drivecapacity
20:54<goodger>(n-1)*capacity then
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20:55<jaybocc2>err yea
20:55<goodger>are you not using redundant raid?
20:55<jaybocc2>i fail at math i guess.
20:55<jaybocc2>raid5 is redundant
20:55<goodger>where is the redundant data stored?
20:56<goodger>forgive me, I don't know much about RAID, but I thought that redundant RAID should halve the amount of space available because everything is doubled
20:56<goodger>so it should be (n/2-1)*capacity?
20:56<jaybocc2>raid 1 halves the capacity
20:56<jaybocc2>cuz it mirriors
20:56<jaybocc2>is 3 disk minimum
20:57<jaybocc2>RAID 5 (striped disks with parity) combines three or more disks in a way that protects data against loss of any one disk; the storage capacity of the array is reduced by one disk.
20:57<goodger>that's clever
20:57<jaybocc2> specifically
20:57<goodger>thank you
20:58<jaybocc2>but yea its real nice
20:58<goodger>erm, ok, so RAID would probably have no significant effect on the filesystem size requirement as a function of the number of disks
20:58<jaybocc2>since its hardware raid linux should just see one drive
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20:59<jaybocc2>at least thats what i experience with raid1 or raid0 on our servers at work
21:00<goodger>yeah, if they're being striped --- is that the word --- wherein the disks are combined into one volume
21:00<goodger>so you will hit the filesystem size problem if you stripe them all into one volume.
21:00<goodger>is it possible you could use a different filesystem?
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21:01<jaybocc2>i wouldn't be opposed to it... but a simple solution would be to just make multiple partitions on the array
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21:02<goodger>well, it depends on the end use, but generally I would endeavour to have as few volumes as possible to avoid space allocation and waste issues
21:03<goodger>I have 10G allocated to /, of which 5.5G is used. the rest is wasted, and further the system can expand by only 4.5G more before I have to do a lot of inconvenient messing-about
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21:03<jaybocc2>true... as it stand my maximum capacity would be 3TB anyway. due to a 4disk maximum imposed by my raid controller and 1TB drives being the largest relatively inexpensive drives out atm
21:03<goodger>which, on a larger scale, is likely to be the situation if you implement multiple volumes in a server context
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21:04<jaybocc2>the system will be booting and running from a single 80gb PATA drive.
21:04<jaybocc2>the raid system will be purely storage
21:05<goodger>well, the majority of that PATA disk will be wasted, if you put /home on the RAID
21:05<jaybocc2>maybe someday i'll buy a 16gb SSD ;)
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21:06<jaybocc2>it was really the only reliable (read: new) drive that had the smallest capacity i had around.
21:06<goodger>yes, that's annoying
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21:08<jaybocc2>i think i've answered my question...
21:09<jaybocc2>my theoretical limit of 8TB is limited by my hardware to 3TB so i'm safe?
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21:10<goodger>well, we don't know your theoretical limit, but yes, I think so
21:10<jaybocc2>err i misspoke... limit by ext3 on 2.6 kernels of 8TB
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21:11<goodger>well, yes, if you believe sun microsystem's document, 8T is the one
21:11<goodger>wikipedia reports it is either 2T, 4T, 8T or 6T
21:12<jaybocc2>they know more then i do ;)
21:12<jaybocc2>i think that is also related to the blocksize when creating the filesystem.
21:12<goodger>true, but it may be outdated. it was last updated in november, but we don't know what they updated
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21:12<goodger>yes, it is
21:12<goodger>I suppose they mean that 8T is the maximum size supported by i386, but I wish they'd said that explicitly
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21:12<goodger>so... carry on. :)
21:13<jaybocc2>i'll test the filesystem either way before i put any critical data on there.. (like i have any anyway... lol)
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21:40<andres>buenas noches
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21:41<andres>como esta todo
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21:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:45<andres>que tal
21:46<andres>podria alguien informarme cuando se libera debian 5.0 lenny
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21:49<enouf>andres: when lenny? do; "/msg dpkg wwlr"
21:49<simonrvn>andres: ^^^
21:49<enouf>see the debian-es channels
21:50<Katt>Good evening, channel.
21:51<andres>tank' s
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21:51<Katt>I still have problems with my laptop... :/
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21:53<Katt>I figured that the fan control is working, I put it temporary in the freezer, and it speeded down. Since the cpu and ram-usage is at minimum, I figured it might be the harddrive, so I installed hdparm and such so the laptop_mode would speed it down. The harddrive speed is now at minimum, but the laptop still holds an average 60 C and the fan is working as hell.
21:54<Katt>I have no idea why. The laptop uses minimum power, harddive is slowed down, cpu is at mimimum, but it still goes hot.
21:55<Katt>The room temp is around 20 C, and my workstation is dead silent.
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21:56<blunted>i have a usb bluetooth thing how do i figure out what device it is like /dev/whatever
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21:58<blunted>!dpkg bluetooth
21:58<dpkg>[bluetooth] a wireless communications protocol, or or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root.
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22:01<blunted>ok that actually helped
22:02<blunted>it told me to do hcitool dev to see if i installed it properly
22:02<blunted>and it only says Devices:
22:02<blunted>and nothing else
22:02<blunted>so like what did i not do
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22:03<jaybocc2>ur pc is not seeing the bluetooth device.
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22:03<blunted>I swear it was there earlier :\
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22:04<blunted>its plugged into the usb port
22:04<jaybocc2>does it see the bluetooth radio plugged into the usb?
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22:04<jaybocc2>type lsusb
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22:04<blunted>Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0a5c:2101 Broadcom Corp. A-Link BlueUsbA2 Bluetooth
22:05<blunted>I would say so
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22:05<jaybocc2>it does... the drivers are not properly installed would be my guess
22:05<newsense>blunted, you stoned's lil brother ?
22:05<jaybocc2>or whatever app for bluetooth interfacing (i've never tried to setup bluetooth on a pc)
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22:06<blunted>i am not
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22:07<goodger>do I get to say "jokefail" or is this deemed too leetish?
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22:09<blunted>a box just popped up and said I had a kernel failure
22:09<newsense>anyone kow how i can move triware db to a removable media and have it still function ?
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22:11<goodger>blunted: on this machine? but it is still running. pastebin please :S
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22:13<jaybocc2>anybody know the equivalent of a windows domain service for linux that i could install? ( even better if it works for both systems)
22:14<blunted>i broke linux
22:14<goodger>jaybocc2: you want LDAP, I suspect
22:14<jaybocc2>ldap... i will research, ty
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22:15<goodger>no problem...
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22:31<komani>anybody using virtualbox 2.1 non-ose under Debian Lenny?
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22:36<Supaplex>is this a trick question, or just a survey?
22:36<komani>hahaha no
22:36<komani>just that I wan't some feedback on an issue i'm having
22:37<andres>hello. howto install flash player in debian lenny/sid AMD64
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22:37<andres>the driver for 32bits has been deleted from macromedia page
22:37<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
22:38<komani>Supaplex, you see. I'm experiencing problems trying to get the USB devices i have attached to my laptop to be loaded in a windows XP virtual machine
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22:40<gomc>Can anyone tell me if ingo molnars relatime patch is in/will be in the debian kernel. if so, from which version
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22:41<Supaplex>is it in mainstream?
22:42<gomc>truthfully, i have no idea. i was Stumbling and came across a thread that spawned. and since i run debian i was interested in testing the concept
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22:43<blunted>can someone tell me what i am doing wrong with this usb bluetooth thing
22:43<blunted>why cant it just work
22:44<blunted>its gotta be some minor thing im not doing
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22:46<gomc>was there an associated driver/kernel module u need to load?
22:47<enouf>gomc: i think the BTS has some info about that
22:47<gomc>enouf: BTS? checking link...
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22:48<enouf>!tell gomc -about bts
22:48<gomc>cheers :-)
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22:53<anxious>hows everyone today?
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22:54<gomc>good thanks, u
22:54<jaybocc2>doin alright anxious, how about you?
22:54<anxious>OK here. Lenny running like a champ
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22:56<jaybocc2><<< good old stable ;)
22:56<Supaplex>old-stable is scarry!
22:56<jaybocc2>new stable then?
22:57<Supaplex>etch? just stable.
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22:57<jaybocc2>etch yes :)
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22:58<anxious>lenny is stable
22:59<anxious>from what I see anyway
22:59<jaybocc2>i'm sure its not bad, but its not server environment ready for me...
23:00<anxious>ah. good point. I just run it on a desktop
23:02<anxious>I was reading earlier some clown in a linux forum was saying how gentoo is the beast and Debian the worst
23:02<anxious>right then I knew this person was a bozo. had no clue what he was talking about
23:03<anxious>gentoo is OK in my opinion, but I think they are close to toast
23:04<anxious>besides, I am a developer which means I am lazy which means I dont wanna sit around compiling all week
23:05<goodger>I also believe they are close to toast --- indeed, they have been close to it for some years, but have not actually stopped doing things, so perhaps it doesn't matter
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23:06<anxious>yep, too bad
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23:06*goodger is running lenny on this machine atm. it is very stable and high-quality software
23:07<jaybocc2>even slackware has a binary package utility now that even fetches dependencies
23:07<anxious>yes, I read that
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23:07<anxious>I have played a lil with Slack. Not a bad distro
23:07<goodger>I wish there was a combined sid/testing that did not freeze, thereby keeping up to date all the time, but had a 10-day buffer like testing, thereby not occasionally ruining itself
23:08<jaybocc2>server running a bare 4.0r6 with just a select few services
23:09<goodger>possibly there is some way of producing a bastard hybrid for my specific personal use, on my end of things, but I do not care to attempt it
23:09<anxious>I have ran a mixed testing/sid for a couple of years now. Have had little trouble
23:09<jaybocc2>and some desktop 4.0r6 boxes that need the security because of the... lax users on them.
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23:10<anxious>well, gotta run. you all have a good day (or night).
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23:10<goodger>the only problem with testing I can see is the fact that it freezes occasionally. if lenny were branched for testing prior to release, and testing continued independently, it would be better for me (but worse for the project, as fewer people would be using the frozen version)
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23:16<goodger>after I receive a 2.6.28 kernel from the debian repositories, I am considering moving to ext4 (from ext3). does anyone have any opinion of this?
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23:18<goodger>according to an article, I read, grub does not support loading kernels from ext4 partitions, but this conflicts with my conception of ext4 being backward-compatible
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23:20<amdgoon>a new grub release will fix that, I read.
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23:21<goodger>does anyone have any opinions on me using ext4 for general use, provided grub works with it?
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23:21<amdgoon>I believe that you have to keep /boot as ext3. I was wondering if / has to be too. I'll try to find that article.
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23:22<goodger>it says that /boot must be kept as ext3 because at the time of writing (october 17) grub does not support ext4
23:23<goodger>however, my /boot is not separated from my /, which is the volume I plan to migrate
23:23<amdgoon>hmmm, that is a different article than the on I saw. Same advice on /boot.
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23:25<amdgoon>goodger: here it is:
23:25<craigevil>boxedj: the bird is the word
23:25<goodger>so what about using the filesystem for general purposes? it appears to provide performance enhancements, nanosecond granularisation, and anti-fragmentation features
23:26<goodger>I am not sure whether I should jump to it as soon as possible for these enhancements, if it has only just been flagged stable in the main kernel
23:26<goodger>thank you for the link, am
23:26<goodger>damn! amdgoon
23:27<goodger>I think I will mount my existing FS as ext4 without explicitly converting it, for a while
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23:30<amdgoon>Maybe you could put an old drive in and format it ext4 for testing?
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23:34<jaybocc2>god ldap is confusing
23:34<goodger>jaybocc2: sorry, forgot to warn you
23:34<goodger>fedora made a web-based admin tool for it somewhere
23:35<goodger>I encountered it while I was trying inadvisably to make an enterprise linux for schools, when I was sixteen...
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23:36<jaybocc2>i'd like to think i'm not dumb and i pickup on stuff quick... but it seems like the ldap configs are just in a foreign language... nothing is really explaind very easily
23:36<goodger>many things are like that --- try configuring sendmail
23:36<jaybocc2>i use postfix lol
23:36<goodger>probably a good idea considering sendmail's config file
23:37<jaybocc2>and shorewall instead of iptables (another one that hurts my brain looking at it)
23:37<goodger>ah, we have firestarter for that...
23:37<jaybocc2>no gui here
23:37<jaybocc2>shorewall is quite nice actually
23:37<jaybocc2>i feel its very well documented
23:38<jaybocc2>even in just the config files
23:38<goodger>good luck with it
23:39<goodger>I am the sort of person who operates on the principle of being able to buy in some skills, such as plumbing and tiling and advanced car maintenance and sendmail configuration
23:40<jaybocc2>me too... i don't mess with iptables, sendmail, and i'm about to add ldap command line config to that list too
23:40<goodger>(listed in ascending order of unpleasantness and difficulty)
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23:43<jaybocc2>hmm i cound phpldapadmin...
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23:46<jaybocc2>oh... i have a very strange issue
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23:47<jaybocc2>i installed foo2hp driver to my server and am able to print fine to the printer from the server
23:47<jaybocc2>as well as any windows box
23:47<goodger>Guest68: do not PM without permission, ask the channel
23:47<jaybocc2>but trying to use a networked debian stable box won't print
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23:48<jaybocc2>in fact, when i try to print from the debian stable box to the debian print server, i have to power cycle the printer to be able to print from windows box's or the server again
23:48<jaybocc2>it is strange.
23:49<goodger>investigate with the CUPS web interface (server:631)?
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23:50<jaybocc2>i have issues using remote access into the servers cups web interface
23:50<amdgoon>jaybocc2: print server is running cups?
23:51<jaybocc2>mostly default config
23:51<goodger>jaybocc2: it needs the root password, I fear
23:51<jaybocc2>what does?
23:52<amdgoon>Try setting LogLevel to debug in cups.conf, then check the logs for cups.
23:52<amdgoon>oops cupsd.conf
23:53<jaybocc2>should also note, that even tho browsing is enabled on the print server, the linux client can't "see" it
23:54<goodger>the CUPS admin interface needs the root password, if that was your issue with remove access
23:55<amdgoon>the client's browsing has to be on in its cupsd.conf, AFAIK.
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23:57<amdgoon>or do you mean pointing your browser at server_IP:631 gets nothing back?
23:57<jaybocc2># Restrict access to the admin pages...
23:57<jaybocc2><Location /admin> Encryption Required Order allow,deny Allow localhost Allow
23:57<jaybocc2>when i point it there
23:57<jaybocc2>i can get in
23:57<jaybocc2>but then i start to get errors
23:58<jaybocc2>i have no real issue with administering it via command line, thats not bad... turning on logging now then gonna print something
23:58<jaybocc2>1 sec
23:59<jaybocc2>403 Forbidden when i try to webadmin cupz remotely
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