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00:01<ninja>any girls?
00:01<ninja>how does this wokrk
00:01*goodger rolls eyes
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00:01<goodger>ninja: this is for debian-related discussion _only_
00:02<ninja>yes i am trying to operate this
00:02<ninja>so i can have such related discussions
00:02<ike>all girl are in debian-girls
00:02<ninja>thanks for tyhe info
00:03<ninja>first time
00:03<ninja>so thanks for being a prick
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00:03<goodger>oh, thank god for that
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00:03<ike>man, some people
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00:27<goodger>EkstraNet02: hello
00:27<EkstraNet02>sipa lu
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01:03<muederjoe>hi all
01:04<goodger>hi muederjoe
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01:16<LL00> <-- does the 1st link works for you?
01:17<LL00>Debian Installer customization notes <--- this one
01:17<goodger>LL00: no, there is a server error
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01:28<apostle>Will Debian ever take the steps for LSB certification with the Linux Foundation?
01:29<LL00>will lenny released for 2010? :p
01:30<LL00>back to 115 rc bugs
01:31<muederjoe>when will the server be fixed?
01:32<LL00>which server?
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01:34<goodger>LL00: it looks like it will be released in Q1-2 of this year
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01:36<LL00>Q1 = jan-march and Q2 = april-june ?
01:36<LL00>so lenny possible release for june
01:36<goodger>at the latest, I'd say...
01:37<goodger>muederjoe: what server are you talking about?
01:38<goodger>apostle: debian implements lsb 3.1, what more is necessary?
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01:38<goodger>apostle: I lie, it's 3.2
01:38<goodger>which is strange...
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01:39<muederjoe>there was a problem with the server... i did not read you previous message completely... and though there was an context... i am sorry my fault
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01:40<apostle>goodger, oh ok.... I don't see them on here
01:40<lustmord>Hey, how would I go about creating a launcher on my desktop to launch a directory?
01:40<lustmord>Is there any specific command?
01:40<goodger>apostle: etch [current debian stable] is listed under under the 3.x table... maybe an omission in the certification page?
01:41<goodger>lustmord: what desktop are you using?
01:41<goodger>gnome, then?
01:41<goodger>the command is "nautilus *directorypath*" in that case... without the asterisks
01:41<goodger>(and the quotes)
01:42<goodger>you can put ~ where you would put the path to your home directory, like so:
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01:42<goodger>nautilus ~/Desktop/
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01:43<apostle>goodger, thanks
01:43<goodger>apostle: "The intent of this package is to provide a best current practice way of installing and running LSB packages on Debian GNU/Linux. Its presence does not imply that Debian fully complies with the Linux Standard Base."
01:44<goodger>...I'm not sure what to think, now
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01:50<apostle>I'm new to the Debian distro......just reading everything I can about it.....reading some articles about people not being happy with Debian Lenny not being released....blah blah blah.....I have used other distros and Debian to me is the best.
01:50<chrisa>When I click a link in pidgin it moves my firefox window from another desktop to the same one pidgin is on. Any clue if this is caused by pidgin, firefox or openbox?
01:51<jm_>chrisa: are you sure it gets moved?
01:51<stew>chrisa: openbox. the other two wouldn't have any idea what a desktop was
01:52<goodger>chrisa: almost certainly firefox. it does that all the time to me
01:52<chrisa>I encountered this years ago, I just can't recall what I did to stop it from happening
01:52<chrisa>jm_: positive, it's the existing firefox window with the new tab
01:52<goodger>it has scant regard for window managers and seems to reorganise the user's desktop to suit itself
01:52<jm_>chrisa: that's weird, normally it would "raise" itself, must be your window manager
01:53<goodger>jm_: it's firefox, it does that to me on gnome also
01:53<jm_>goodger: no
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01:53<chrisa>I doubt it's firefox
01:54<goodger>jm_: you do not have the authority to override information from my own eyes to tell me how my computer behaves
01:54<goodger>apostle: I'm using lenny now, because I use Testing as a rolling release... it's a superlative OS in my opinion. etch pales in comparison
01:54<jm_>chrisa: tried changing browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground?
01:55<EmleyMoor>I have one machine on rolling testing and two and a half normally stable but currently on lenny
01:55<chrisa>jm_: that seems to resolve it by changing the raise event, but it's more of a workaround than a resolution
01:55<jm_>chrisa: how so?
01:56<chrisa>Even if it doesn't do it in the background, it should never be changing its own desktop
01:56<jm_>like I said, it's your WM
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01:57<goodger>chrisa: tell mozilla that... if you move a tab between two windows on different workspaces, it moves the first window to the second workspace also... it's maddening
01:57<chrisa>That's because tabs are not processes good
01:57<apostle>goodger, i'm running it on 3 systems....and will be installing it for some friends ....:)
01:57<chrisa>You're mixing up problems
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01:57<goodger>apostle: goodgood...
01:58<chrisa>I'm pretty sure Chrome is the only browser that can do what you're asking, because it's designed from the ground up for it
01:58<goodger>chrisa: it can move tabs between windows; it closes the first tab and opens a brand-new tab in the second window with the same URL
01:59<goodger>it doesn't do it gracefully a la Chrome, but it does it; and it moves the windows between workspaces while doing so, which is obnoxious
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02:20<lustmord>goodger, sorry for the late reply, "nautilis *dir* didn't work
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02:21<lustmord>Err, hang on
02:21<lustmord>Scratch that, typo ftw
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02:24<lustmord>thanks man, I'd actually tried exactly that from the console, and it didn't work
02:24<lustmord>Never occured to me that nautilus was spelled with 2 us
02:25<goodger>...erm... ok, glad to help
02:26<lustmord>Well, been awhile since I've used linux, had it as my only OS for about four or five months, then I rebuilt my system and could never understand why debian wasn't reconizing my NIC
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02:26<lustmord>Got that fixed and dove back into it, forgot that nautilus wasn't spelled nautilis
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03:12<goodger>hi morgan`
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03:40<goodger>hello RandumKiwi
03:41<RandumKiwi>I want to use debian testing, but I have a query, if I do use testing, when testing gets turned into stable, will I my version of testing still download from the testing repository?
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03:42<dondelelcaro>RandumKiwi: if you're pointed at testing, yes. If lenny, no.
03:42<RandumKiwi>... hmm, that's what I thought.
03:43<RandumKiwi>... if I'm using testing, and just kept using testing and it pointed to the right repositories, then it would stay as testing when stable comes out...
03:43<RandumKiwi>... i.e. would there be anything special I'd have to download that's new specific to testing after stable comes out?
03:44<RandumKiwi>cool, so, as long as long as I keep debian pointed to testing, all will be fine :)
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03:44<RandumKiwi>thanks :)
03:44<goodger>RandumKiwi: no, you can just continue running apt-get upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade [possibly dist-/full-upgrade at times] and it will continue happily
03:45<RandumKiwi>.. hmm, never heard of "safe upgrade"
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03:45<goodger>it's the aptitude equivalent of apt-get upgrade in recent versions
03:46<goodger>(full-upgrade being the equivalent of apt-get dist-upgrade)
03:46<RandumKiwi>oh, so it's just normal upgrade, where-as, I'd prefer to do a dist-upgrade?
03:46<RandumKiwi>i see.
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03:46<RandumKiwi>ah, I think I get what you mean.
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03:47<RandumKiwi>goodger: You're basically saying, doing a dist-upgrade in testing isn't very.. reliable.
03:47<goodger>er, no
03:47<RandumKiwi>er, that meant to have a question mark.
03:47<Yamato>My SiS 190 network chip doesn't seem to like Linux that much.
03:47<kleptog>I'd just like to say: after upgrading to lenny, suspend/hibernate work perfectly now... only bluetooth didn't come back automatically after hibernate (which I can live with)... very nice work :)
03:48<goodger>doing a safe-upgrade is safe, and doing a full-upgrade requires that you pay attention to what it's doing because it will potentially remove things
03:48<goodger>...but is not necessarily any less safe
03:48<RandumKiwi>ah, right, and full-upgrade = dist-upgrade
03:48<goodger>safe-upgrade is named for being _very_ safe
03:49<goodger>yes, when using aptitude [recommended]
03:49<RandumKiwi>.. yeah, I get what you mean, accidental restart due to power failure during dist-upgrade = an unfortunate kernel panic :}
03:49<RandumKiwi>... I've had that happen twice now, hahaha :)
03:49<goodger>that could easily happen with a safe-upgrade as well
03:50<RandumKiwi>yeah, but safe upgrade doesn't install new kernel modules ;)
03:50<RandumKiwi>I understand now, thanks goodger :)
03:50<goodger>the full-upgrade might have wanted to remove, say, GNOME, because the new version of some package had an error that made it incompatible
03:50<goodger>so you must pay attention to it
03:50<goodger>but it is usually not required and safe-upgrade will suffice
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03:51<RandumKiwi>ah, yes, I suppose that could happen too :)
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03:54*RandumKiwi wget's a testing CD
03:55<RandumKiwi>... hmm, is there something wrong with, or is it just me?
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03:56<goodger>RandumKiwi: looks OK to me... of course, Testing cds are found within the installer subproject developer site, rather than the main project download site
03:56<RandumKiwi>.. nah, it's me
03:56<jm_>cdimage has mirrors anyway
03:56<RandumKiwi>.. doing a traceroute.
03:58<RandumKiwi>I'm trying to get that, but can't.... times out.
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04:00<goodger>RandumKiwi: no problems here... what architecture are you on?
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04:00<RandumKiwi>celeron M
04:00<RandumKiwi>... er, i386 I think you peeps call it ;)
04:00<goodger>...yes. ¬.¬
04:00<goodger>use this
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04:01<RandumKiwi>... hmm, timing out also.
04:02<RandumKiwi>that's a traceroute.
04:02<RandumKiwi>... you don't want to see a ping ;)
04:02<goodger>yeah, that says... nothing to me
04:02<goodger>I will put the file on my FTP server for you...
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04:02<RandumKiwi>it's failing at some point.
04:03<RandumKiwi>... at this point:
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04:04<goodger>RandumKiwi: try in... 8 minutes, apparently
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04:05<RandumKiwi>downloading, thanks :)
04:05<goodger>from where?
04:05<RandumKiwi>your link
04:05<RandumKiwi>oh, do so in 8 mins?
04:05<goodger>you can't download from that for another 6.5 minutes
04:05<goodger>it hasn't finished uploading yet
04:05<RandumKiwi>... it was downloading something... ;)
04:06<Supaplex>wget -c ftw?
04:06<goodger>Supaplex: meh... who says he's using wget?
04:06<RandumKiwi>I did.
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04:06<goodger>oh yes.
04:06<mib_5tavib2h>does anyone know of a linux debian channel in spanish?
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04:07<jm_>not anyone no
04:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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04:09<RandumKiwi>it seems quite strange that I can't get to
04:09<RandumKiwi>... are there any different servers for that site at all?
04:10<RandumKiwi>(i.e. a direct link to an oceanic one, or something like that)
04:10<goodger>if you select NZ or australia from the dropdown box on the top-right corner, does that improve matters?
04:11<jm_>why don't you read what's on your screen? lists many mirrors
04:11<RandumKiwi>for one, I'm on this screen:
04:12<mib_5tavib2h>gracias dpkg
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04:13<RandumKiwi>jm_: The link to "testing" is to which I can't even access the webpage for..
04:13<enry>hi anybody can help me? i just installed debian etch x64 stable and i cannot mount my window partitions
04:13<jm_>RandumKiwi: well the server works fine
04:13<goodger>RandumKiwi: did you change the server to australia?
04:13<goodger>enry: what filesystem are the windows partitions, ntfs or fat32?
04:14<RandumKiwi>.. I can't see an option for that anywhere.
04:14<goodger>!tell enry about ntfs
04:14<goodger>RandumKiwi: top right corner
04:14<enry>stable doesn't have ntfs... driver?
04:14<jm_>it does
04:14<RandumKiwi>of which page goodger ?
04:14<goodger>!tell enry about ntfs-3g
04:14<RandumKiwi>I see
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04:16<enry>ok i thought they were installed by default
04:16<RandumKiwi>hmm, goodger, it would seem that the alternate servers only offer stable.
04:16<jm_>ntfs kernel modules most certainly are
04:16<RandumKiwi>goodger: the only links I can find to anywhere for testing, all point to that one domain, which I can't access...
04:17<RandumKiwi>which is weird, since I'm in New Zealand, we don't have some big firewall stopping us like China/Australia, so I don't know why it wouldn't work.
04:17<goodger>RandumKiwi: hm, looks like that... possibly there is disruption to the oceanic internet connection..? anyway, you have the ISO from my server for now
04:17<jm_>RandumKiwi: maybe it's that time of the year when all the electricity is needed for sheep care?
04:17<RandumKiwi>goodger: Well, we only have one connection to the outside world ;)
04:17<goodger>(incidentally, can I delete that now?)
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04:17<RandumKiwi>jm_: haha, no, it's summer :P
04:17<RandumKiwi>goodger: I haven't downloaded it, can I?
04:18<goodger>RandumKiwi: yeah, tell me when done
04:18<goodger>perhaps sheep-shearing
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04:18<RandumKiwi>goodger: We may have sheep in NZ..
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04:19<goodger>I mean, possibly sheep-shearing is using all the electricity..?
04:19<RandumKiwi>... but I live in auckland, and I tell ya, I don't see any sheep from my office window when I'm at work, nor my neighbour hood when I'm at home.
04:19<RandumKiwi>goodger: oh, yeah, those bloody south islanders, ya think?
04:19<RandumKiwi>... nah, we have good hydro lake levels now :)
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04:20<RandumKiwi>... we get dry around autumn and worry till mid-winter ;)
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04:20<goodger>yes, yes, national jokes FTW... along the lines of we british enjoying tea and croquet, americans all weighing 150 kilos and australians being beer-swilling louts
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04:20<RandumKiwi>... americans? I got a lot of those ones :)
04:21<RandumKiwi>goodger: The term is "bogan"
04:21<RandumKiwi>australians are "bogans" ;)
04:21<goodger>when you talk to them, do they think you're english?
04:21<RandumKiwi>we use that word here too :)
04:21<RandumKiwi>... I don't get it.
04:21<enry>i try to install the driver but libfuse is too old
04:21<RandumKiwi>oh, I got it..
04:22<RandumKiwi>goodger: I meant jokes.
04:22<goodger>no? apparently the more stupid among the American species commonly reckons that australians and new-zealanders are british
04:22<RandumKiwi>I have a lot of jokes about americans, as does everyone else.
04:22<RandumKiwi>... biggest joke in the world, after all ;)
04:22<RandumKiwi>hahaha :D
04:22<goodger>enry: what version of libfuse do you have?
04:22<RandumKiwi>goodger: oh, I get ya.
04:22<RandumKiwi>.... nope.
04:22<RandumKiwi>Aussies have a weird as accent.
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04:23<goodger>you all have weird accents
04:23<enry>goodger, 2.5.3-4.4
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04:23<RandumKiwi>they accuse us of the same though, but that goes for all countries, every speaker from every other country thinks that the other country has a weird accent.
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04:23<enry>goodger, i need new repository?
04:24<goodger>enry: you need to install the libfuse from backports
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04:24<goodger>!tell enry about
04:24<enry>goodger, i modify my repository but i don't know if i do it properly
04:24<goodger>enry: did you run apt-get update after modifying sources.list?
04:24<jm_>RandumKiwi: try
04:25<goodger>(or aptitude update)
04:25<RandumKiwi>goodger: <--- this is our only link for international bandwidth.
04:25<goodger>RandumKiwi: have you finished downloading yet?
04:25<RandumKiwi>jm_: thanks, but I'm nearly done with goodger's link.. a minute left.
04:26<goodger>RandumKiwi: that looks at least partly redundant
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04:26<goodger>6 of those cables could break and you'd still have a connection
04:26<RandumKiwi>goodger: yep :)
04:26<goodger>though 2 of them could break and the connection would die totally
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04:27<goodger>surely australia has a connection to asia at darwin?
04:27<RandumKiwi>our govt. is debating about a 2nd international network..
04:27<RandumKiwi>probably, they have more than 1, that I know for sure.
04:27<RandumKiwi>goodger: downloaded.
04:28<RandumKiwi>goodger: When it comes to networking, we started off badly, but we are surpassing australia in terms of residential networks.
04:28<goodger>well, so long as either the hawaii or alexandria links hold up, you'll be OK...
04:28<goodger>yes, I've heard about australia's appalling consumer broadband...
04:28<RandumKiwi>Our whole country will change from PSTN to VOIP by 2020
04:29<RandumKiwi>... VOIP will be turned on by 2015... PSTN closed in 2020
04:29<goodger>swedes gets gigabit ethernet as a domestic internet connection
04:29<goodger>which is one of my reasons for wanting to move there soon...
04:30<RandumKiwi>This is the current plan for NZ ;)
04:30<goodger>my area of the UK _might_ get 24Mbit DSL by 2011, but it will cost about five times as much as the swedish gigabit ethernet
04:30<RandumKiwi>... that was laid down by the last government and HAS to get done ;)
04:30<RandumKiwi>oh nice.
04:30<goodger>as it is, we have 8Mbit if lucky
04:31<RandumKiwi>goodger: ... but, the new govt we voted in plans to pledge billions into FTTN
04:31<RandumKiwi>yeah, same here goodger.
04:31<goodger>but we both beat most of the USA
04:32<RandumKiwi>April 2010 = Fibre to the cabinet :D
04:32<RandumKiwi>in my area ;)
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04:33<RandumKiwi>... I'll probably have moved by then though.
04:33<RandumKiwi>Enable the delivery of broadband connections between 10Mbps and 20Mbps to 80% of New Zealanders by the end of 2011.
04:33<RandumKiwi>... man, can you imagine how much work they have to do :|
04:33<enry>goodger, even with backport the libfuse2 is not installing
04:34<goodger>enry: pastebin the messages from the terminal
04:34<goodger>!tell enry about pastebin
04:34<goodger>RandumKiwi: yes, looks painful. still, socialist/techy governments FTW
04:35<RandumKiwi>goodger: ftw indeed.
04:36<RandumKiwi>goodger: btw, I work for the phone company... that one, to be precise ;)
04:36<RandumKiwi>I'm expendable.
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04:36*goodger rolls eyes
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04:37<RandumKiwi>hey, it pays crap, 50% of my customers hate me before even calling me, but I like doing it, it's ok.
04:38<RandumKiwi>... they hate me, because I work in the faults department :P
04:38<RandumKiwi>... so, they're calling cause something is broken.
04:38<goodger>thank you enry
04:39*goodger will do his best to understand the italian
04:39<enry>:) prbably it's that i installed x64 debian
04:39<enry>goodger, sorry :)
04:39<enry>goodger, you are from??
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04:40<goodger>enry: england
04:40<enry>at least Eurpe Union :)
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04:41<goodger>yes... us both being members of the EU makes it really easy for us to understand each other
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04:42<jm_>enry: you don't need ntfs-3g if all you need is read-only access
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04:42<enry>jm_, i have to modify my /etc/fstab?
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04:43<jm_>enry: well if you want it done automatically for example
04:43<Shendelzare>Hello, if i have 2 different partitions, one for root and one for /home directory, what will happen if i install ubuntu into first one
04:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:44<enry>ubuntu :)))))
04:44<goodger>enry: please pastebin your /etc/sources.list
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04:45<Shendelzare>now I have Debian :)
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04:45<enry>goodger, i resolve my problem
04:45<goodger>enry: oh, good
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04:46<enry>goodger, i use this command apt-get -t etch-backports install libfuse2
04:46<goodger>enry: that'll do it :)
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04:46<Shendelzare>what will happen if i install Debian Sid into first partiotion?
04:46<enry>i have two more question....why debian don't use firefox?
04:47<Shendelzare>will my files at /home remain ? xD
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04:47<enry>Shendelzare, if y format i think not
04:47<sheldonh>is there a published minimum disk space for a lenny install? with a 2GB disk, the installer makes /var too small to complete the install :)
04:47<Shendelzare>enry, u van use firefox
04:47<goodger>enry: firefox is called Iceweasel in debian, because mozilla will not allow the trademark Firefox to be used in debian
04:47<sheldonh>goodger: they will. they just won't allow us to extend that right to others :)
04:47<goodger>sheldonh: I recommend a minimum of 5G... and yes, you're right, but this is the same thing
04:48<enry>goodger, yes but it's a bit old :(
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04:48<Shendelzare>Use Opera :)
04:48<Shendelzare>and be happy with it :)
04:48<sheldonh>goodger: thanks. the reason i ask about documented minimum is that this may be worth filing a bug for
04:48<goodger>enry: Etch is a bit old, so the software in it is old also :P
04:48<goodger>enry: I think a more recent iceweasel is in backports
04:48<enry>and flash is working with Opera?
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04:49<Shendelzare>I still can't watch tube
04:49<enry>goodger, how to upgrade from back?
04:49<Shendelzare>or listen to music in facebook
04:49<Shendelzare>but I can watch flash ads xD
04:49<enry>eheheh so it's useless for me :)
04:49<Shendelzare>but this means only wat it means
04:50<Shendelzare>i didn't bother about it
04:50<jm_>sheldonh: from the docs: You should usually allocate at least 200MB for /var, and a lot more if you install a graphical desktop environment.
04:50<Shendelzare>so I actually could make this flash plugin work correctly :)
04:50<goodger>sheldonh: not likely. there is no specific minimum, as this system is practically infinitely customisable... though it may be worth mentioning somewhere that the standard configuration will typically need about 5G...
04:51<enry>sorry i cannot mount my partition how to modify fastab?
04:51<goodger>enry: sorry, I was wrong. there is no iceweasel in backports
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04:51<craigevil>5g? debian with kde and lxde on my eee only takes up 1.9gb
04:51<jm_>enry: how did you try it?
04:51<enry>goodger, help me to mount my partitions
04:52<sheldonh>goodger: ja, i reckon. i just accepted the default "Standard system", with no "Desktop system" or anything else accepted. what _wasn't_ default was that i asked for multiple filesystems, but i accepted defaults there too
04:52<enry>double click over disk icon
04:52<goodger>craigevil: my system uses 4.7G (but there is a lot of software)
04:52<enry>jm_, double click over disk icon
04:52<sheldonh>craigevil: the problem is not total space consumption
04:52<jm_>enry: try mount command manually
04:52<sheldonh>craigevil: it's how much space debian creates for /var
04:52<sheldonh>craigevil: which is a function of total space, i think
04:52<enry>jm_, i don't remember the command
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04:52<enry>jm_, mount /dev/sda1?
04:53<sheldonh>anyway, 200M /var is too small to install lenny :)
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04:53<goodger>meh, I allocated it 10G to play in, so it has plenty of space...
04:54<goodger>oh, no, 9.2G. whatever
04:54<sheldonh>jm_: hapyp new year! :)
04:54<OdyX>Hi ! Has anybody heard about key 58522DBD02AA9A04 ?
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04:55<jm_>sheldonh: thank you, the same to you!
04:56<jm_>enry: no, mkdir /tmp/mnt && mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/mnt
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04:56<goodger>too late, jm_
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04:57<goodger>what's the betting he is able to return? :S
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04:57<jm_>why did he reboot anyway?
04:57<goodger>god only know
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04:59<sheldonh>OdyX: search for it on a pki server?
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05:00<Tengu>hmm... reboot is an old windows-user relfex, I guess... when it doesn't work, just reboot :D
05:01<goodger>Tengu: works on linux too
05:01<Tengu>hm..... never have to reboot because of a failed thing...
05:01<Tengu>moste of the time, a simple X restart helps.
05:01<goodger>no, but it often fixes things
05:01<Tengu>:D my system almost never break....
05:02<goodger>to quote slashdot, "newbies often reboot on Linux. only power users get to keep their uptime, even when upgrading kernel modules"
05:02<sheldonh>goodger: okay, i think i know what the bug report should be. not so much that the installer makes /var too small in some cases, but that "Out of space on device" doesn't bubble up to the user :)
05:02*petern watches huge trucks go past really slowly
05:02<goodger>sheldonh: goodgood
05:02<Tengu>goodger: :D
05:02<goodger>petern: wha?
05:03<petern>due to the snow
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05:03<goodger>er, ok
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05:04<petern>oh, sorry, lorries. i've been playing games too much...
05:05<goodger>snow falls, aylesbury is invaded by soviet union
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05:06<petern>in soviet russia... no, let's not
05:06<goodger>in soviet russia, you fall on snow? that's terrible
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05:09<petern>what's the latest on lenny? ;)
05:09<petern>i heard some talk about binary firmware
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05:09<mgoetze>the latest is that there are still a bunch of bugs
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05:11<goodger>just 62, eh?
05:12<Lethalman>TU are 43
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05:12<mgoetze>goodger: now if you and petern both fix one per day we can release next month :)
05:12<goodger>mgoetze: indeed, but I'd have to learn to program and become a debian developer first
05:13<goodger>which is a shame
05:13<Lethalman>goodger: not needed to become debian developer
05:13<goodger>well --- the "learn to program" part is still the more pressing issue
05:13<petern>depends on the bug
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05:13<petern>it may not involve programming at all
05:13<mgoetze>yeah just put patches in the BTS, someone will upload them for you
05:14<Lethalman>do you have links for bug plots?
05:14<goodger>bug 536732 --- goodger (developer) --- "goodger cannot program" (confirmed/rc)
05:14<goodger>resolved--- wontfix
05:15<Lethalman>goodger: that sounds like a bugzilla bug
05:15<petern>can't or won't? ;-)
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05:16<goodger>petern: will, but it will have to wait until my 20s
05:16<goodger>Lethalman: yeah, I'm most used to dealing with them (don't deal with debian very much at all really)
05:19<goodger>510764 appears to continue to exist due to inaction rather than any genuine problem
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05:20<goodger>510774 is... ludicrously petty
05:20<Lethalman>goodger: solve it... :)
05:21<petern>"gcompris: Should also depend on gstreamer0.10-plugins-good" < why?
05:21<goodger>petern: it needs to be able to play wavs
05:21<goodger>I'd love to fix it, but while I'm aware that setting a package's dependencies is comparatively easy, I would not have any idea of how to do so
05:22<goodger>Lethalman: 510774
05:22<petern>does it not work without it?
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05:22<goodger>petern: the reporter considers this Important, which I think is legitimate since gcompris is greatly enhanced with sounds
05:23<petern>i've never used it
05:23<goodger>think teletubbies...
05:23<petern>if it really needs sounds then sure
05:23<goodger>then think of teletubbies with subtitles
05:23<petern>otherwise, i'd say recommends
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05:23<petern>but then, i'm just a debian user ;)
05:24<Lethalman>petern: it depends on the sources
05:24<goodger>recommends would be better...
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05:24<Lethalman>if the sources don't support "optional" sounds, you can't say it's recommends
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05:25<tassilo>0800 144 14 11 - 51088513 .
05:25<goodger>I get the impression that if it can't play sounds it fails silently and functionality is not diminished to the point of the purpose of the app being ruined
05:25<goodger>...but that sounds greatly enhance said functionality
05:25*xingu bridges tassilo's conference across to the talking clock
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05:25<goodger>Guest105: welcome back
05:26<petern>hmm, in the bug report, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good is already listed as a depends...
05:26<petern>i don't get it :(
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05:26<goodger>let's see
05:27<Lethalman>petern: plugins-base
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05:27<goodger>the gcompris/lenny binary package is listed by as depending on plugins-base and audiosync only
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05:27<enry>goodger, can y post to me your fstab?
05:28<goodger>enry: I don't have any NTFS drives in it, so it wouldn't help you
05:28<Lethalman>but that's not an RC bug then
05:28<enry>i corrupt everithing
05:28<enry>how to restore the standard fstab??
05:29<goodger>enry: there is no standard fstab. you can have mine but it won't help you
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05:29<kleptog>If I do "python -m gtk" it complains about missing module cairo... seems like a bug but in what? python-cairo is installed
05:29<jm_>enry: lesson learned - make backups
05:30<dondelelcaro>since almost every script assumes that root is 0, and uses the name instead of the uid
05:30<enry>can i pastebin mine?
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05:30<goodger>enry: that might help
05:30<jm_>kleptog: which version of python are you running?
05:30<goodger>Lethalman: the developers seem to think it is RC
05:30<Lethalman>kleptog: doesn't happen only for gtk
05:31<kleptog>jm_: python -v claims 2.5
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05:31<Lethalman>so don't worry about
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05:31<jm_>kleptog: hmm mine complains about gdk
05:32<enry>goodger, pleaseee help!!!
05:32<Lethalman>goodger: which developers
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05:32<kleptog>Lethalman: I don't understand... If I have a python script that uses gtk, shouldn't that just work?
05:32<enry>goodger, i deleted all that 1 and 0
05:32<goodger>Lethalman: I think the reporter of this bug is an upstream developer (?)
05:33<goodger>from the tone
05:33<Lethalman>goodger: boh i don't know
05:33<Lethalman>kleptog: it works when you import gtk, doesn't work with -m
05:34<Lethalman>-m is not an import
05:34<Lethalman>read the manpage
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05:35<goodger>oh, no, he's from
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05:35<goodger>I would say "give him what he wants"
05:35<enry>goodger, ???
05:36<kleptog>Lethalman: right, but it also happens when you do: echo "import gtk" | python
05:36<goodger>and I have no idea where to begin making that change to the dependencies
05:36<goodger>enry: I'm looking at your fstab
05:36<goodger>enry: what part of it doesn't work?
05:36<Lethalman>goodger: i'm looking into it
05:36<kleptog>I just used -m because it triggered the same error and figured it might be obvious to someone
05:36<goodger>Lethalman: thanks ^_^
05:36<enry>line 4
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05:36<Lethalman>kleptog: ok thanks wrong then
05:37<enry>goodger, how can i check if it works?
05:37<Lethalman>kleptog: paste the error
05:37<Lethalman>enry: why do you think 1 and 0 are no needed when they are needed?
05:38<goodger>enry: delete line 5 and change line 4 to:
05:38<goodger>/dev/hda2 /media/dati ntfs-3g silent,umask=0,locale=it_IT.utf8
05:38<Lethalman>kleptog: what if you echo "import cairo"|python
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05:38<goodger>enry: mount -a will mount everything in fstab
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05:40<kleptog>also: "No module named cairo", interestingly I have /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/cairo/ but no corresponding
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05:40<goodger>#510749 is very easy also --- and again I have no idea how to patch it
05:40<enry>goodger, Deficient Linux kernel detected. Some driver features are
05:40<enry> not available
05:41<enry>i have to change kernel?
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05:41<kleptog>Lethalman: for 2.4 it has both... ah, with python2.4 it works, but python2.5 it doesn't, so the automagic python compile bit has broken somehow....
05:42<goodger>enry: run aptitude -f install , do ++NOT++ press Y when it asks you whether to continue, and pastebin it
05:42<enry>i hope i would resist to press Y
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05:43<enry>goodger, it's all ok
05:44<goodger>oh, OK
05:44<goodger>please pastebin the full result of:
05:44<Lethalman>kleptog: argh, definitely
05:44<Lethalman>kleptog: try aptitude reinstall python-cairo
05:46<kleptog>Lethalman: yeah, that fixes it, thanks
05:46<Lethalman>kleptog: have you upgraded cairo recently? check your dpkg logs
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05:47<Lethalman>or python-support/python-central...
05:47<goodger>enry: pastebin "uname -r"
05:47<petern>uname -r needs a pastebin? :p
05:47<goodger>ah, yes, good point.
05:48<kleptog>Lethalman: I did a etch->lenny upgrade two days ago, so no doubt it was something in there...
05:49<Lethalman>kleptog: definitely, you might want to look for upgrading notes, bugs and so on then report a bug if necessary
05:49<goodger>can anyone tell me whether 2.6.18 on etch should be naming devices /dev/hd* ?
05:50<jm_>goodger: no not anyone can!
05:50<kleptog>Lethalman: ok
05:50<goodger>I think it shouldn't be doing that
05:50<goodger>...but apparently it is, so let's move on
05:50<jm_>goodger: it depends on the driver being used
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05:50<goodger>oh, ok
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05:51<goodger>enry: pastebin (in a fresh pastebin, not as a comment to that old one) the result of "umount /dev/hda2"
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05:52*petern ponders upgrading to lenny just to see if any bugs crop up ...
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05:52<goodger>petern: good idea... I've been running testing since the middle of the etch freeze, and it's never misbehaved, but maybe the upgrade path is a tad off
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05:54<enry>goodger, /dev/hda2 is mounted
05:54<goodger>enry: I said _u_mount
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05:54<goodger>if it gives no response, that is good
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05:55<enry>goodger, it's said nothing
05:55<goodger>ok, now "mount /dev/hda2 /media/dati -t ntfs-3g -o umask=0,locale=it_IT.utf8" and pastebin the whole thing
05:55<enry>now can i write over that disk or only read?
05:56<enry>i need a new kernel
05:56<goodger>apparently so.
05:57<petern>nice message
05:57<jm_>!tell enry about etchnhalf
05:57<enry>goodger, but now i can see that partition
05:57<enry>im whatching a film
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05:58<goodger>the message says you have write access but it's not safe to unmount (!)
05:58<goodger>so, yeah, I'd go with what dpkg has just told you
05:59<goodger>otherwise there is a 2.6.26 kernel in backports. but I'm not sure that's advisable
05:59<enry>goodger, i have install no driver and i can watch all my fim why??
06:00<goodger>enry: you did install the driver (libfuse, ntfs-3g)
06:00<enry>even mp3???
06:00<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
06:00<goodger>the file format is not a factor when deciding whether debian can read it or not :)
06:01<enry>no i said that i can rea mp3
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06:01<goodger>enry: and? :S
06:01<gl0in_>hello everybody
06:01<goodger>hello gl0in_
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06:02<gl0in_>unable to use sendmail after debian upgrade... NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: daemon MTA: cannot bind: Address already in use
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06:02<gl0in_>Jan 5 11:47:05 asterisk sm-mta[24542]: daemon MTA: problem creating SMTP socket
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06:05<goodger>enry: it is very important that you upgrade your kernel or else your NTFS filesystem may become corrupted
06:06<jm_>gl0in_: something already holds it then
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06:08<petern>sendmail? how quaint...
06:08<goodger>petern: does what it says on the tin
06:08<gl0in_>jm_: i checked ps and netstat but i cant find anything related to it or binding the sMTP socket
06:08<jm_>gl0in_: check for port 25
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06:16<Tarcas>netstat -an|grep 25 will tell you whether it's listening on the port, gl0in_
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06:18<enry>goodger, ??
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06:20<goodger>enry: you must upgrade your kernel to >2.6.20 or else your NTFS may be corrupted/broken by ntfs-3g
06:20<enry>hpw can i do it?
06:21<petern>!tell enry about etchnhalf
06:21<petern>(as jm_ said)
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06:22<goodger>enry: or install linux-image-2.6 from backports
06:23<enry>there are so many
06:23<enry>which i have to choose??
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06:24<Shendelzare>hui t atam
06:24<goodger>enry: linux-image-2.6-amd64
06:24<Shendelzare>диск который прислали
06:24<Shendelzare>из убунту
06:24<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
06:25<buffoon>hi! by which user is dhcp3-server running by default? Or how can i discover that?
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06:25<goodger>enry: sorry, linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-amd64
06:25<jm_>buffoon: ps will tell you
06:25<goodger>petern: probably easier to go with the backports since fuse and ntfs3g were already done through that
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06:26<buffoon>omg, how easy =) thx jm_
06:28<Shendelzare>window :)
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06:29<goodger>that was intriguing at least
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06:36<enry>all done
06:37<goodger>enry: did you get any further messages about deficient kernels?
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06:40<enry_>goodger, no message all ok
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06:40<goodger>enry_: and your NTFS filesystem is not broken?
06:41<goodger>enry_: good. enjoy
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06:41<petern>now switch to a decent FS ;)
06:42<petern>^ as if
06:42<goodger>petern: which of the 0 filesystems besides NTFS that windows supports would you have enry use? :P
06:42<petern>i prefer ext3
06:42<jm_>it supports vfat :)
06:43<petern>although admittedly i only have an ext2 driver for windows
06:43<goodger>jm_: vista doesn't...
06:43<jm_>goodger: it sure does
06:43<petemc>sure it does
06:43<enry_>i have to use windows for office suite
06:43<petern>open... office...
06:43<goodger>well, you can't install vista into vfat, just as you can't install vista/xp into ext2/3
06:44<goodger>besides, vfat is even more ancient than ntfs
06:44<goodger>enry_: take a look at
06:44<petemc>its about the most commonly supported fs in existence
06:44<enry_>goodger, i cannot
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06:44<goodger>enry_: why not?
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06:45<enry_>my company use office standard
06:45<goodger>enry_: openoffice supports office file formats very well
06:45<enry_>when i have to do a document i have to youse their format
06:45<simonrvn>ooo can read/write that crap.
06:46<jm_>it often fucks it up when writing for m$ products though
06:46<goodger>enry_: OOo can save to .doc and .xls
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06:49<hjb>which one should i install: gnash or gnash-opengl?
06:50<simonrvn>whichever one you want?
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06:51<hjb>simonrvn sure :-) is one recommended over the other? i mean, which ones renders faster, is more stable ...
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06:52<simonrvn>i don't know
06:53<hjb>ok, i'll just install both and compare
06:55<hjb>hmm, both are rendering unusable slow :-(
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07:00<petern>ah, flash player... does it actually work? heh
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07:05<hjb>petern it worked on three of five sites i've tested
07:05<hjb>petern but slooow
07:05<hjb>it's a pity that flash is so omnipresent
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07:06<goodger>petern: gnash just about works so long as you don't ask it to play real-world content
07:06<Norgur>hjb: why don't you use flashplugin-nonfree ?
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07:07<Norgur>goodger: signed^^
07:07<hjb>Norgur just wanted to check for free alternatives
07:08<sheldonh>anyone using openvas' NVT feed to track DSAs and happy with it?
07:08<Norgur>hjb: i do not know any free alternative that actually works ;)
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07:09<hjb>Norgur there are none :-)
07:10<ike^>crap, crap crap, the m68k kernel cant find the 3com 3c589c
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07:11<petern>if youtube and iplayer don't work, it's pointless
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07:18<Wesley>Hello. Is there a way to make a dump of a file in the memory? someone ran a process then deleted the file. the process is sstill active
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07:18<petemc>Wesley: look in /proc/PID/
07:18<petemc>there should be links to files there
07:18<Wesley>ahh thanks
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07:18<jm_>Wesley: yeah
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07:19<jm_>ls -l the fd dir and it should be obvious
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07:23<gl0in_>jm_: checked with netstat i cant find anything listening on port 25
07:23<gl0in_>checked ps sendmail running
07:23<jm_>gl0in_: then it may be complaining about something else
07:23<jm_>gl0in_: how did you verify it?
07:23<gl0in_>tried to telnet on localhost 25 connection refused like in the maillog
07:23<gl0in_>netstat -af | grep 25
07:23<jm_>gl0in_: use netstat, not telnet
07:24<jm_>gl0in_: strace shell tell you why it fails
07:24<gl0in_>used netstat nothing listening on 25
07:24<gl0in_>what? trace shell?
07:24<jm_>no, the process that reports the error (it should say strace shall)
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08:04<Grab>what irc client you use most?
08:04<dpkg>i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
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08:36<tuxcrafter>somebody knows how to get xargs working with muine
08:36<tuxcrafter>xargs --verbose --null --arg-file="$filename" muine
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08:36<tuxcrafter>in the file is a list with music files that still needs "" around them
08:37<sheldonh>but it's probably line-delimited instead of null-delimited
08:37<simonrvn>why use muine to do this?
08:37<themill>tuxcrafter: you want to specify \n for the delimiter not null. see the --delimiter option for xargs
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08:42<tuxcrafter>themill: thanks! xargs --verbose --delimiter=$'\n' --arg-file="$filename" muine
08:43<themill>tuxcrafter: just make sure you don't have \n in any file names... (it is a valid character in a file name, after all)
08:44<tuxcrafter>themill: cant make sure about that :-p
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08:45<icerider>-bash: dch: command not found - how do i install dch?
08:47<jm_>the same way you install other stuff
08:47<koollman>icerider: what are you running to get that error message? (dch would be in the devscripts package)
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08:47<icerider>dch -v
08:48<icerider>apt-get install dch not working
08:48<petemc>!tell icerider about search
08:48<jm_>dch is a file name, not a package name
08:48<icerider>i search with apt-cache but in what package is?
08:49<petemc>read what dpkg just told you
08:49<jm_>dpkg told you how to find it in the future (9 lines up you can find your answer)
08:49<dpkg>jm_: You are moron #1
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08:49<themill>icerider: apt-file is your friend. (or use
08:50<themill>aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/dch
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08:53<goodger>...whoever programmed dpkg to do that deserves some sort of culinary remuneration
08:53<icerider>themill: thanks... (apt-get install devscripts)
08:53<goodger>since money has gone out of fashion around debian nowadays
08:54<themill>icerider: indeed. :) You'll also find apt-file is useful for finding what package contains foobar.h when you're trying to compile things.
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08:56<themill>Only one moron for dpkg? I find that hard to believe.
08:56<themill>dpkg status
08:56<dpkg>Since Fri Jan 2 01:44:20 2009, there have been 24 modifications, 487 questions, 104 dunnos, 1 moron and 180 commands. I have been awake for 3d 12h 11m 53s this session, and currently reference 38600 factoids. I'm using about 16672 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 132.36/8.85 child 0.01/0.01
08:57<themill>There we go... jm_ you should be proud to be the first in the last 3 1/2 days :P
08:57<jm_>indeed, first of the year!
08:57<goodger>wow, only 16M
08:57<goodger>that's an efficiently designed AI ;)
08:57<themill>(not on freenode though... there's already been 11 morons there)
08:57<goodger>dpkg: you smell
08:57<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
08:58*goodger smirks quietly to self
08:59<themill>where's the love :(
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09:07<gl0in_>saying goodbye to deb... c ya
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09:08<goodger>84% humidity apparently
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09:09<goodger>also, brake dust does not taste good
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09:16<ranix>themill: what does "1 moron" in the dpkg status mean?
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09:16<goodger>ranix: it has dispensed one pronouncement similar to "jm_: You are moron #1"
09:16<ranix>goodger: ah, thanks
09:16<goodger>during the three days it has been running
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09:17<themill>ranix: when dpkg get something that is utterly unintelligible, it calls the person a moron (just like it did to jm_). It does this when it thinks you're trying to teach it something but never used a declarative statement (foo is bar) because you forgot the "is".
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09:18<ranix>I see, I see
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09:24<SammyTheSnake>Can anyone recommend an imap server suitable for connecting to a homegrown system so we can provide imap access to our system's emails?
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09:26<SammyTheSnake>petemc: can I get it to talk to our homegrown code?
09:26<aptituz>that depends on weither you commit to standards
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09:27<SammyTheSnake>petemc: I have emails in a database and want to avoid writing an imap server from scratch, so I was thinking of something along the lines of a back-end plugin...
09:28<SammyTheSnake>petemc: the aim is specifically to provide standards compliant access :-P
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09:29<petemc>not sure if dovecot supports using a db as the mail spool
09:29<petemc>the source code is there, anyway
09:29<SammyTheSnake>there may come a point where we decide implementing IMAP from scratch is the right option, but I'd like to find shalower solutions if there are any :-P
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09:35<Lenhix>Hi ppl. Haven't seen you in a while
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09:54<FTPeed>Hi all, has anyone built an etch system with RAID10? I've setup a server but when booting it complains about not finding the volume group, in a rescue system the RAID10 array is recognised and the volume groups are mountable
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09:59<tuxcrafter>does somebody know a nice simple fast but usable gtk based music player? i have tested the following and non fits my needs:
10:00<tuxcrafter>i am building music player system for computer leek
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10:10<Lenhix>Seems a complicated set of requirements, tuxcrafter
10:11<ndoodle>Need some help on a debian powerpc imac g4 . My x server does not start with the default configuration
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10:13<tuxcrafter>Lenhix: maybe be complicated to build a simple music player :-D
10:13<tuxcrafter>i see to much overcomplicated stuff
10:13<tuxcrafter>i use commandline players myself
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10:14<tuxcrafter>Lenhix: i gave some users a quodlibet based system
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10:14<tuxcrafter>spent 2 hours explaining the simplest things like selecting a album and play it
10:14<ike^>ndoodle, do you have mdetect and and probe-whatever?
10:14<tuxcrafter>but after 2 weeks they came back that is was all to complicated
10:15<tuxcrafter>so now building a muine based system
10:15<tuxcrafter>but it does not do autoplay on startup
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10:15<tuxcrafter>and it is slow
10:15<ndoodle>ike^ I have an mdetect no probe-whatever
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10:16<ike^>ndoodle, i think its discover rather
10:16<ike^>mm , and x-resprobe or something
10:17<ndoodle>ike^ I apt-got probe-whatever how do I use them?
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10:18<ike^>try restarting gdm if you have x-resprobe and all those discover things, not sure which does the magic but one of them do ^^
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10:18<ike^>maybe all of them
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10:20<ndoodle>^ike working on it ...
10:21<ike^>k, that worked on the ps3 so restarting gdm afterwards should do it
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10:24<tuxcrafter>wtf /var/lib/munin.exe and 40% cpu load playing mp3
10:24<tuxcrafter>mono .. :-D
10:24<Tengu>munin... what's that ?
10:24<Tengu>.exe.... that's EVIIIIIILLLL
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10:27<ndoodle>ike^ no x-resprobe ? installed discover, mdetect and probe-whatever. Failed to restart x server.
10:27<tuxcrafter>we ship .exe files in debian that is new :-p
10:27<ike^>xresprobe - X Resolution Probe
10:28<themill>no it's not. and exe is just an extension -- these are mono assemblies not PE files
10:29<nosklo>tuxcrafter, xmms
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10:31<xlotlu>any idea what might be the reason for "BAR 0 collisions"?
10:32<tuxcrafter>nosklo: isnt that a daeomon server structure? i tested gxmms2, not default gtk buttons
10:32<ike^>and xmms
10:32<ike^>those will play anything you an throw at them
10:32<ike^>well, just about
10:33<nosklo>tuxcrafter, no. I mean common xmms
10:33<nosklo>tuxcrafter, not those new stuff they are building on it
10:33<nosklo>tuxcrafter, xmms is very simple, and has all the features you need.
10:33<ike^>xmms crashes here if i double the size of it :S
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10:33<ndoodle>ike^ I got xresprobe. Still failling with /etc/init.d/gdm restart
10:33<tuxcrafter>is xmms gtk based ?
10:33<nosklo>ike^, does not here
10:34<tuxcrafter>i mean the gui rendering
10:34<tuxcrafter>with gtk api
10:34<ike^>i think i had to build it from source to get it working even, cant remember the exact error , but its probably with my setup
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10:34<ike^>nosklo, what does the log say then? no screens detected ?
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10:35<nosklo>ike^, when I double xmms size by clicking on the "D" button? It doubles size,no info on log.
10:35<ike^>ops wrong n
10:35<ike^>i meant ndoodle
10:35<ike^>havent slept yet ...
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10:36<tzafrir_laptop>ok, a really silly question: how can I temporarily disable disk caching as much as possible?
10:37<sheldonh>i think you boot with as little memory as possible as a first step
10:37<tzafrir_laptop>reason: gpg --gen-key takes really long
10:37<ndoodle>The error is : Caught signal 11: XIO fatal IO error 104
10:37<tzafrir_laptop>this is a vserver
10:38<tuxcrafter>nosklo: i tried xmms but not someting you like to give to a computer leek and give warranty on support :-)
10:38<ays>I got one small and quite short question... since I'm already running dual-boot of Win and Fedora and I want to install Debian... so my question is will Debian overwrite automatically both Fedora partions(which Fedora uses) ?
10:38<sheldonh>tzafrir_laptop: also, i think you can fiddle with vm.vfs_cache_pressure. as a once-off, you can punch vm.drop_caches
10:38<nosklo>tuxcrafter, I disagree, I find it very stable and trouble-free
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10:38<tuxcrafter>nosklo: i cant find a gui for the users
10:39<koollman>tzafrir_laptop: how would disk caching change anything about the generation of a gpg key ?
10:39<tzafrir_laptop>koollman, bits for the random pool
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10:39<koollman>tzafrir_laptop: right ... how are the two related ?
10:39<nosklo>tuxcrafter, xmms has only one gui. Not xmms2. It is not on debian repositories, you must install it separately
10:40<koollman>tzafrir_laptop: that is, bits in the random pool, and disk cache
10:40<koollman>hmm. ok, I understand what you are thinking about.
10:40<tzafrir_laptop>koollman, make the disk work harder
10:40<ike^>hm, xmms not in the repo?
10:40<koollman>I'm not sure a vserver would receive these bits. that might be your problem
10:40<tuxcrafter>nosklo: nosklo ah ok i installed xmms2 xmms indeed was not availible but i am not going to install stuf that is not in the debian repo :-p
10:41<Lenhix>ays: what do you exactly mean? Debian instalerl gives you the option to partition the disk (if necesary) and to select which directory of Debian will be associated with each partition
10:41<ike^>its in the repo here :S
10:41<tzafrir_laptop>koollman, it does seem to have an independent random pool size
10:41<Lenhix>You can share /home and have independent /'s
10:41<nosklo>tuxcrafter, too bad, it seems exactly what you've described.
10:41<ike^>i have stable testing and unstable in my sources.list tho
10:41<koollman>tzafrir_laptop: but maybe the random source does not include the shared ressources .. as a disk.
10:42<nosklo>ike^, which debian version
10:42<nosklo>ike^, it is removed from lenny
10:42<koollman>tzafrir_laptop: anyway, reduce dirty_ratio, and vfs_cache_pressure, and set drop_cache to 1 from time to time
10:42<ays>Lenhix well, what Im asking is it possible for Debian installer do something like, what Fedora did when I installed it... I had ubuntu before it and Fedora simply found ubuntus partions(2 to be precise, 1 swap and 1 other)
10:43<koollman>tzafrir_laptop: it might be easier to simply saturate the cache. (running find / and similar things)
10:43<ays>and even more simplier... it formatted them and installed itself on those same partions
10:44<Lenhix>ays: Debian installer will found all partitions on your disks, but I cannot assure it will tell you to which OS they belong
10:45<ays>I tried last night, it recognizes Linux partions... but, I kinda got stucked at that installation step and well... I dont know how, but GRUB got messed up...
10:45<goodger>ays: however, it will be able to tell the difference between a swap partition and an ext3/reiserfs/etc partition
10:45<ays>it did... thats my point
10:46<ays>but when I tried to go to the next step in the installation
10:46<ays>I got some error
10:46<ays>GRUB got all messed up and then I wasn't able to do anything
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10:46<goodger>ah... we will have difficulty telling what the problem was unless you quote the error, I'm afraid
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10:47<Lenhix>Try pasting your menu.lst (@ pastebin, of course)
10:48<ays>hm... how about I simply use fixmbr(which will delete grub) and simply format partions which Fedora uses
10:48<ays>and then start over with Debian?
10:48<ike^>you can boot linux from the windows bootloader too
10:48<ike^>i've done it once
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10:48<ays>had bad experience with that
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10:49<ike^>what about just popping in the cd and using rescue or recover?
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10:49<ays>its all working fine now... but Im not there yet... I still have Fedora and not Debian installed
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10:50<Lenhix>ays: excuse this question: ayre you trying to overwrite fedora with Debian? or do you want to have them both?
10:50<ays>first one... fedora out - debian in
10:50<ays>Win gotta stay
10:52<tzafrir_laptop>koollman, right. Eventually I needed to created randomness on the server
10:52<Lenhix>Ok. I'd do this: boot into Fedora, do fdisk -l and df to have a list of partitions in the disk and which ones is fedora using. Then, when installing Debian, select the Fedora partitions to be used by Debian
10:52<tzafrir_laptop>cat /dev/sda1 >/dev/null saved me typing
10:53<xlotlu>debootstrap ftw
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10:53<ays>I'll try that... again, thanks Lenhix
10:54<ays>we'll see later when I finish or wont see again xD
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10:54<ndoodle>any x server specialist for imac g4?
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10:55<ike^>ndoodle, can you stuff your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in pastebin ?
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10:57<ndoodle>ike^ what do you mean by pastebin?
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10:58<goodger>!tell ndoodle about pastebin
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11:01<ndoodle>ike^ thanks, need some time to get it done.
11:01<ike^>np, i'll be here, installing debian on my amiga
11:02<ike^>hrm, linux doesnt like sfs it seems
11:02<goodger>I think GNOME is slightly better than workbench...
11:02<ike^>even 3.9 ? :D
11:02<ike^>or 4.1?
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11:03<ike^>4.x is strictly ppc tho
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11:03<goodger>last I used was 3.2...
11:03<goodger>and that was when I was, oh, nine...
11:03<ike^>something tells me gnome wont be too happy with 32 megs of ram and aga
11:04<goodger>it will be amusing watching the system try to swap out the other 250M to disk
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11:04<ike^>yep, got a write speed in amigaos of 700 kb's
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11:04<ike^>but thats with patches, and sfs
11:05<goodger>I never did much with my amiga
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11:05<ike^>i dug mine out a few years back and joined #amiga on efnet... i've been hooked since =)
11:05<ike^>got it displayed using tvtime in linux
11:06<ike^>enabled me to do some fancy modes
11:06<ike^>without flickering
11:06<goodger>the nostalgia wore off after I realised that amigaBASIC was the same as BBC BASIC but with a crappy GUI
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11:06<goodger>and shortly thereafter I returned to the world of the PC
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11:07<ike^>i ran the other way, bought a dead a4k for cheap and a dead cyberstorm ppc ( still dead) then got an 1200, as i got sic of waiting for the a600 cpu expansion to get made
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11:07<ike^>theeen, bought a 68060
11:08<goodger>very well
11:08<ike^>found geekgadgets very handy
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11:09<ike^>and ixemul, basically cygnix for amiga
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11:09<goodger>I have a sneaking suspicion that the wireless optical mouse on my desk has more processing power than an amiga... which is worrying
11:09<goodger>certainly my mobile phone does
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11:09<ike^>probably, this is a 50 mhz 68060
11:09<valdyn>not just a bit more
11:09<goodger>...actually the mobile phone has a higher-resolution display than my PC as well, so perhaps the mobile phone is not a good comparison
11:10<ike^>the later 060's go up to 80-100 mhz
11:10<ike^>which is total overkill for the amiga
11:10<goodger>first computer I ever used had a P75...
11:10<ike^>totally insane that this thing boots using under 2 megs of ram
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11:11<jaybocc2>i still have 2 p133's at home ;)
11:11<ike^>i remember my 486dx-2 80
11:11<goodger>I wish I hadn't thrown out my BBC B
11:11<ike^>still have the cpu, one missing pin toh
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11:12<ike^>and ofcourse the obligatory windows95 crash and reinstall cycle
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11:13<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! cydork has returned!
11:13<goodger>ike^: that cycle has been kept in pretty much all windows versions since the dawn of time... except the NT variants don't crash, they just become slower and more unusable over a period of 18 months
11:14<ike^>and thats a fact
11:14<enouf>don't crash? .. you're too funny
11:14<ike^>i havent seen/had a windows system that sooner or later doesnt collapse totally
11:14<petemc>they dont
11:14<ike^>something like two years is the most
11:14<petemc>im using NT4 right now, has never crashed in the 10 years ive been using this box
11:14<goodger>enouf: they don't BSOD unless you a) have faulty hardware, b) have faulty hardware drivers, or c) run Half-Life 2
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11:15*enouf considers drinking the koolaid that others seem to have swallowed
11:15<goodger>(and HL2 doesn't make it BSOD, it just hangs)
11:15<ike^>and i did something to that xp install i've never managed to do again, have it boot as fast as it did fist install, but it also forgot all settings, like wlan passwords
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11:15<goodger>enouf: I've literally never had XP BSOD unless by faulty hardware...
11:15<enouf>goodger: i can make any Micropoop machine crash from general usage
11:15<enouf>rather easily too
11:15<diego>hi there, all my programs thinks they need to record audio from "digital" instead of "capture"
11:16<diego>how can I change that
11:16<valdyn>diego: thats up to each program
11:16<valdyn>diego: or uh, are you talking about cdaudio or just line-in ?
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11:16<diego>so, when I open sound recorder it tells digital and I can change to capture
11:17<diego>in the input
11:17<diego>"record from input"
11:17<diego>but there is no such option in skype
11:17<valdyn>diego: no?
11:17<diego>if I only knew the devices maybe I can hack that with a symlink
11:17<valdyn>diego: skype lets you pick among all available alsa devices..
11:17<hjb>diego have you tried gnome-sound-properties
11:18<diego>I dont see where in skype menu
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11:18<goodger>well... skype is closed-source and not a part of debian, so is utterly beyond control
11:18<valdyn>diego: "Audio Devices"
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11:19<enouf>install alsa-oss?
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11:19<valdyn>skype uses alsa
11:19<valdyn>theres an oss version too
11:19<squid>is skype for linux?
11:19<diego>ok, I will try installing oss
11:19<diego>squid: there is skype for linux
11:19<valdyn>funny thing it needs 2 versions for this
11:20<petern>skype is available for linux. it still sucks though.
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11:20<diego>petern: yeah, it sucks, but it lets me call USA toll-free numbers :P
11:20<diego>for free
11:20<hjb>is there a free client available as replacement? haven't used skype for a long time...
11:20<enouf>petemc: i've used win98 for 10 years - never crashed - what's your point?
11:21*squid 14 118 324 users !!! in skype!!! fun
11:21<petern>no, it's still rather closed and proprietory as far as i know
11:21<petemc>enouf: thats surprising, 98 isnt stable at all
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11:21<squid>seems online now
11:21<goodger>hjb: a search for "skype" reveals no alternative clients
11:21<enouf>petemc: no, Microsoft OSes aren't stable at all
11:21<goodger>enouf: I'm rather shocked by that, win9x can't generally be relied upon to crash less than once a week
11:21<petemc>enouf: you're biased about a lot of things, its impossible to have a conversation with you
11:21<petemc>so im not going to
11:22<enouf>goodger: you have to know how to set it up and rip shit out of the registry that causes the crashes
11:22<cahoot>diego: tried alsamixer and enable capture there?
11:22<enouf>petemc: right - and you're not biased
11:22<goodger>calm down, children!
11:22<diego>seems oss solves the problem
11:23<koollman>enouf: I have data about windows servers, and linux servers. so far, both crashes ... when the hardware fails. other causes are rare enough to not be statistically significant
11:23<petern>i think some asterisk to skype gateway was in the works
11:23<koollman>as a desktop OS, I'm quite sure numbers might be different, though
11:23<squid>where is some kind Voip proggy in KDE
11:23<diego>well , not sure really lol
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11:24<enouf>koollman: fair enough assessment - however, i'm led to believe that 'other causes' many times involves 'users' and 'PEBKAC'
11:24<hjb>petern i think there's a development lib availabe. iirc someone at my school has created a skype-based terminal service using it
11:24<koollman>enouf: well, just wait until the 'average user' start using linux more. it started a bit already. ever read an ubuntu forum ? :)
11:24<valdyn>windows is crippled, not unstable, i cant even "mplayer /dev/dvd"
11:24<enouf>koollman: eww ... :-p
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11:25<diego>mmm, guess I will keep trying
11:25<koollman>enouf: so, with intelligent users, the OS isn't a problem. pebcak, for the two OS, I would say ;)
11:25<diego>does someone knows any alternative to skype
11:25<petern>ah, there's a "skype for asterisk" beta program or somesuch
11:25<diego>I just wanna call toll free numbers (bank of america)
11:26<diego>from another country Im living
11:26<valdyn>diego: theres many, but theres none that you can use to call skype users for free
11:26<enouf>petemc: windows NT is not a PnP OS, so maybe that might be somewhat attributed to your usage, and non-crashes over time
11:26<diego>I dont care, I wanna call an 1800
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11:26<squid>how to call 1-800 via skype?
11:26<enouf>petemc: the 4.x versions, and earlier - but sigh, i really don't give a rats ass
11:26<mgoetze>squid: wrong channel
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11:27<goodger>enouf: "I wonder why Microsoft removed interruptive multitasking from windows vista" ~ mock review
11:28<hjb>hmm i wonder why noone has used the skype api to implement support in programs like ekiga or something
11:28<squid>goodger how msoft call multitasking in Vista now?
11:28<valdyn>hjb: because you cant do that
11:28<squid>hjb yep i meant ekida !
11:28<ike^>i wonder why microsoft bother developing their dead mad cow infected malware bloated irritating os
11:28<valdyn>hjb: except if you use skype as part of the solution
11:29<goodger>squid: it's still interruptive, but it behaves like cooperative because it's so badly done
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11:29<enouf>ike^: biased a bit? :-P
11:29<ike^>you think? ^^
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11:29<hjb>valdyn oh, so you need to run the skype client to use the api? what a crap...
11:30<hjb>i thought it was a standalone lib
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11:30<ike^>what ms should do is drop windows and devote all their resources into making wine 110% compatible
11:30<valdyn>hjb: exactly
11:30<enouf>ike^: anything for the almighty $$$ .. i've learned from bill though, i regularly dumpster dive :-) (actually, i find things at the curb :-p)
11:30<valdyn>hjb: oh, that "standalone lib" wouldnt make a difference
11:30<petern>the api is like a remote control rather than anything useful
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11:30<ike^>bits of discarded code in the dumpster? :D
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11:30<goodger>ike^: the way to save Windows will indeed be to make an OSX-style proprietary UNIX with the windows shell, with a compatibility layer
11:31<petern>or windows 7
11:31<enouf>yeah ; let's setup a nice new Framework ... ugh
11:31<goodger>petern: windows 7 is microsoft's blatant attempt to shed the name Vista before it kills them
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11:32<ike^>yep, apparently they stripped everything out, including the browser
11:32<hjb>valdyn oh right, it's even availabe as a standalone lib, but only remote control
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11:32<ike^>probably hunting for that one bit of 80's code that slows the entire thing ^^
11:33<goodger>ike^: they can find that by pressing ctrl-a
11:35<ike^>funny how wine is more legacy windows compatible then windows
11:35<goodger>to a certain extent, yes
11:35<goodger>the original CALC.EXE from windows 1.0 runs perfectly unchanged on vista...
11:35<ike^>wine actually provided a valid windows code for downloading stuff from when that was in
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11:38<squid>i wonder is MacOSx debian based?
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11:38<squid>ike^ debian older than freebsd?
11:39<dpkg>rumour has it, bsd is read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or dying
11:39<valdyn>squid: bsd is alot older
11:39<ike^>and bsd is directly based on unix
11:39<[machine]>os x isn't freebsd based
11:40<valdyn>squid: freebsd can be called a bsd fork, enabled by resolved license issues
11:40<ike^>not exactly based no
11:40<[machine]>it has a mach kernel + a userland that includes a bunch of freebsd binaries + lots of other stuff
11:40<squid>from from freebsd manual ... 1993 development ... dont remember linux comes up in 1991?
11:40<goodger>squid: OS X is a proprietary BSD-like OS composed of freeBSD components with the Apple Mach kernel
11:41<enouf>squid: debian was born in 1993, iinm
11:41<squid>goodger MacOS developers just get freebsd src ans made MaSosX right? and sell it for $$$?
11:41<ike^>still funny how you have to tell mac users how to solve problems with the unix backend while they are frantically hunting for a gui based solution
11:41<goodger>squid: you could think of it that way for rhetorical purposes, but in reality it's much more complex
11:42<ndoodle>ike^ my /var/log/Xorg.0.log on
11:42<goodger>ike^: yeah, I'm sure the terminal emulator that ships with it is xterm...
11:43<ike^>hehe, not sure actually , but its hidden away in the system folder
11:43<ike^>ran osx86 for a while, and that was about the first thing i dug out
11:43<petemc> is in applications/utilities
11:43<squid>so tcp/ip comes out from BSD?
11:43<goodger>of course, on OS X, a GUI solution exists for everything; and there are trillions of little shareware utilities that do only one function, and take up about 15M each on disk
11:44<goodger>...and have huge nag screens, of course
11:44<squid>apple think iphone ...
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11:45<ike^>that thing'd be great if it had a full keyboard ...
11:45<squid>skype = iphone
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11:45<goodger>ah, yes, the iphone... the iphone differs, because instead of trillions of shareware programs with nag screens, there are trillions of commercial programs that you have to pay for, and _still_ don't do anything useful
11:46<squid>yea tru
11:46<ike^>dont forget they all have to get the apple approval stamp
11:46<ike^>but it runs linux
11:46<@Ganneff>now, could you please come back to topic, which is debian support? you might want to continue your discussion elsewhere, like in #debian-offtopic. thanks
11:46<enouf>for gadgets, the ipod and iphone are marvels
11:46<ike^>yeh, linux for the iphone
11:46<goodger>no it doesn't... it runs a tiny version of OS X
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11:47<ike^>yep, but some smart brain out there managed to install linux on it
11:47<goodger>Ganneff: I don't see that the topic should be enforced unless there is simultaneous on-topic conversation
11:47<@Ganneff>goodger: fine. see what you want, but the request still stands.
11:48<goodger>¬.¬ very well...
11:48<goodger>who'll join me in #debian-offtopic?
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11:49<Thornley>Hello, I'm trying to play an .avi video on mplayer (debian lenny), but the output is missed up; there's a thick vertical green line on the left side of the screen and the RGB is out of sync. Has anyone experienced anything like this?
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11:49<petemc>Thornley: does it play with other apps, or on other machines?
11:49<Thornley>I asked this question last night and someone suggested that it may have something to do with use of the debian-multimedia repository; unfortunately I lost my internet connection before this person could explain further.
11:49<valdyn>Thornley: play with -vo xv , -vo x11 , -vo gl
11:49<Thornley>petemc, yes I tested it on another computer and the file plays fine on it.
11:49<valdyn>Thornley: green bar usually means that the area to display is to big
11:50<valdyn>Thornley: xv has limitations in size
11:50<Thornley>valdyn, I tried those and it still has the problem.
11:50<Thornley>valdyn, but the file plays just fine on another debian machine.
11:50<enouf>Thornley: do you have a ~./mplayer/config file? what else is in that dir/ ?
11:50<Thornley>enouf, moment, I'll check that.
11:51<Thornley>enouf, No, i've no ~./mplayer directory.
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11:51<enouf>Thornley: crap, tpyo
11:51<enouf>Thornley: do you have a ~/.mplayer/config file? what else is in that dir/ ?
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11:52<Thornley>enouf, there's config, gui.conf, gui.history,, and gui.url.
11:52<Thornley>The config file is empty, enouf .
11:54<Thornley>enouf, as I said a moment ago, a gentleman with whom I was discussing this problem with last night seemed to believe it caused by use of the debian-multimedia repository. That's where I installed mplayer from, as it wasn't available in the lenny repository at the time I wished to install it. He suggested that I remove everything from debian-multimedia.
11:54<ike^>ndoodle, uhm , well, the screen res and everything is ok, something else is very wrong
11:54<valdyn>Thornley: did you really use all those -vo options?
11:54<hjb>Thornley then, have you tried that?
11:55<hjb>Thornley installing from lenny rep?
11:55<valdyn>Thornley: it does absolutely not make sense that the green bar stays
11:55<Thornley>hjb, I would but I don't know how. I lost my internet connection before the guy could tell me; but I did catch something about "pin" something to "1001" or something of that nature.
11:55<Thornley>valdyn, yes I believe I have, but I'll try all of them again.
11:55<ndoodle>ike^ so what is the very wrong?
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11:56<ike^>ndoodle, well, eh, x crashed
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11:56<Thornley>valdyn, yes.
11:56<hjb>Thornley hmm, do you have any other packages from debian-multimedia installed?
11:56<ike^>ndoodle, im tempted to suggest that you put unstable and testing in /etc/apt/sources.list
11:57<Thornley>I believe just mplayer hjb, but how can I be sure?
11:57<ike^>then do an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
11:57<hjb>i don't know
11:57<enouf>Thornley: ok .. well - hrm, those are gmplayer related - but just note, you can cp a template of config from /etc/mplayer/ into (as your) ~/.mplayer/config and then tweak it to your liking - command line options will override those settings though
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11:58<Thornley>enouf, where could I get a configuration template?
11:58<enouf>Thornley: i mentioned; in /etc/mplayer/
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11:59<ndoodle>ike^ I am running debian 4.0_r6 etch out of the box and x crashes. I did try it with Ubuntu and it worked for the same hardware
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12:00<ike^>its not a driver issue, something else has gone horribly wrong
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12:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:00<ike^>ndoodle, i pasted you something in pm
12:01<ndoodle>ike^ sorry but what do you mean by pm?
12:01<Thornley>enouf, could you give me that command again? It didn't work...
12:01<ike^>private message
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12:01<ike^>look for the blinking ike^^
12:01<Thornley>enouf, I don't have a program called "grep-status"
12:02<ndoodle>ike^ thanks got it
12:03<enouf>Thornley: you have aptitude?
12:03<enouf>Thornley: do you use it?
12:03<Thornley>enouf, Yes. I generally just use "apt-get"
12:03<enouf>Thornley: grep-status is in pkg grep-dctrl
12:03<sputnick>is anybody have problems to enable "fn" touch on a laptop + lenny ?
12:03<Thornley>I'll install that then... and re-run the command.
12:04<enouf>Thornley: well - install grep-dctrl then - aptitude wouldn't (might not) work right - i too use apt-get
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12:05<themill>sputnick: depends on what they control and how they control it. /msg dpkg multimedia keys
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12:05<Thornley>enouf, the package "grep-dctrl" may cause aptitude to not work correctly?
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12:06<enouf>Thornley: no, meaning; if you don't use aptitude regularly, using it instead of grep-status might not produce the desired results (since it's databse might not know about many installed pkgs)
12:06<Thornley>Oh okay, thanks.
12:07<enouf>Thornley: atleast, i notice, i get differing results between the two, and i never use aptitude (though i did try to many moons ago)
12:07<themill>enouf: aptitude, apt and dpkg share the same db for everything except hold information in lenny and with the exception of auto-install info in etch.
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12:08<enouf>themill: well, my system says otherwise ;-)
12:09<themill>enouf: then you have severe borkage.
12:09<enouf>themill: perhaps - but it's also a rough mix :-P
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12:12<enouf>Thornley: hrm, at 1st glance, looks ok - what codec/format is the file giving you issues?
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12:12<Thornley>enouf, it's an .avi file.
12:13<enouf>Thornley: when mplayer fires up, you'll see which codec it uses/needs
12:13<enouf>there's also options like -vo null -ao null to just see, instead of playing it
12:14<Thornley>enouf, Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
12:14<Thornley>Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
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12:16<enouf>Thornley: ok, there is an #ffmpeg here, and also an #mplayer - however, they might ask you to build from their svn instead - one more thing, show me output of "dpkg -l ffmpeg | grep ^.i"
12:16<enouf>Thornley: gah - i meant on , not here on
12:18<Thornley>enouf, I'm confused... what do you mean not here on
12:20<enouf>Thornley: / is the server your client is logged into - the channel is #debian -- there are many other IRC Server Networks, one is
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12:20<Thornley>enouf, I don't understand what you mean... I understand there are different server networks... but why are you telling me this?
12:22<enouf>Thornley: well, i just noticed you're using sid, which is ok .. for some ;-) but i'm telling you to visit those channels i mentioned on the network
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12:22<enouf>Thornley: ffmpeg (with a leading or two) imples the channel named #ffmpeg
12:24<Thornley>enouf, OH! okay I understand now. I'm using lenny by the way, not sid.
12:24<petern>enouf's client's gone mad :o
12:24<petern>either that or my irssi has
12:25<goodger>petern: mine has also, it's the hashes
12:25<enouf>themill: heh - getting much better than it used to be ;-)
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12:25<enouf>petern: heh, your client accepts mirc style color-{en}coding formatting ;-)
12:26<enouf>Thornley: well, you have many sid versions of pkgs installed - although some pkg versions are the same version (in both Lenny and Sid)
12:26<petern>well, #ffmpeg (with a leading # does not get highlighted
12:27<enouf>petern: right - it's only when two # are used - what's in between gets nailed
12:27<goodger>petern: try putting a pair of hashes
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12:27<enouf>he just did, however, i don't see any backgrounded/highlighted coloring
12:28<enouf>i do with mine though
12:28<goodger>this should not be highlighted; #this should be#
12:28*fxiny puts some shades on
12:28<goodger>does that do anything?
12:28<fxiny>enouf: !!!
12:28*enouf alters composing method from XIM, to Simple Composing Input Method - no idea if that'll help - i have my client set to NOT accept mIRC cloring and shit
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12:29<enouf>fxiny: !! no porbs!
12:29<enouf>goodger: yours does not here
12:29<fxiny>enouf: heheh
12:29<enouf>goodger: this should be
12:29<enouf>and it IS here
12:29<goodger>ah, there we are
12:29<goodger>what did you type?
12:29<themill>enouf: I suspect that your client is sending the bolding as no-one else's ##foo## come over bold here.
12:29<enouf>literally what you did goodger
12:29<fxiny>enouf: that's good for xrays i can see my bones :P
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12:30<enouf>themill: i was told it's a client side thing, so if your client accepts it - oh well :-p
12:30<OdyX>##bold## ?
12:30<enouf>OdyX: nope, not here
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12:31<enouf>i mentioned - i disabled it - but maybe it doesn't disable it for my client/self/to self/whatever
12:31<enouf>fxiny: i got the poWAH!
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12:31<themill>enouf: accepting it and sending it are two different things. Your client is converting ## into "make me bold markup". Whether a client chooses to render the bold or not is one thing, but your client is not sending what you think it is. Me turning off bold/colours/etc won't put the #s back in what you sent to the channel.
12:33<fxiny>enouf: nothing is displayed after "with a leading"
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12:34<mcprtk>hey people
12:34<oipunx>has anyone successfully get the new java plugin for 64bit to work?
12:34<fxiny>themill: i now how to make you happy : ¤¤¤¤¤ :)
12:34*themill re-encodes fxiny
12:35<enouf>themill: well, the client is perl-based :-)
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12:35<enouf>themill: i don't know how to disable it, but i do know how to alter what you see from CTCP'ing me ;-)
12:35<themill>indeed :P
12:35<fxiny>oh btw went git
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12:37<fxiny>enouf: pirc ?
12:37<goodger>"I'm an egotistical bastard, and I name things after myself: first Linux, now git."
12:37<enouf>fxiny: something like that
12:38<mcprtk>to everyone: how to install compiz-fusion in Debian Lenny? Any help will be appreciated.
12:38<enouf>git == git is torvalds?
12:38<goodger>enouf: he's referring to himself as a git in that quote, yes
12:39<erKURITA><fxiny> oh btw went git <= I heard it's been two weeks since then
12:40<enouf>recursive acronyms; the 21st century weoponry :-p
12:40<erKURITA>awesome nonetheless
12:40<enouf>er weaponry
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12:40<fxiny>erKURITA: two weeks ? lemme purge some bookmarks !
12:40<enouf>recursive acronyms; the 21st century weoponry of old balding fat 20th century hippies O_o
12:41<dpkg>from memory, qotd226 is -<-Freenode-staff-member->- [Global Notice] Hi all, terribly sorry to bother you again but regardless of how much hairdye I go through, I can't get away from being blonde. Needless to say, my previous global resulted in inadvertedly ddosing the machine hosting the blog and website. Please try again later and for now, call me Homer and watch me Doh!
12:41<erKURITA> <= 12/22/2008
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12:43<ubuntoil>sooo goood
12:43<fxiny>erKURITA: that's right : timestamp > "Updated by ... on Dec 22 12:46am"
12:45<fxiny>erKURITA: this one :
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12:47<fxiny>21 years ...
12:48<fxiny>how ? #use strict; :P
12:49<goodger>git is actually not an acronym whatsoever
12:50<OdyX> <-
12:52<enouf>goodger: it is now :-p
12:52<fxiny> > nirvana lyrics :P
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12:53<enouf>themill: but how come i see the bold in the dev channels, ya know messages from CIA1 and such
12:53<enouf>[11:57:29] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r57088 packages/partman/partman-md/ (debian/changelog init.d/md-devices):
12:54<enouf>that didn't appear bold here when i pasted it, however it does when i view that in the dev channel
12:54<enouf>wait, let me take a whole/entire one - short
12:54<enouf>[08:37:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: fjp * r57086 packages/partman/partman-base/choose_partition/partition_tree/do_option: choose_partition/partition_tree: also enable debconf align option again
12:55*themill wonders if we should play "fix enouf's irc client" in #debian-offtopic
12:55<enouf>nope, still not bold here - that's the whole upload
12:55<enouf>themill: my client works fine
12:55<themill>enouf: except that it eats #s on you
12:55<enouf>themill: it's the others whom are somewhat complaining
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12:56<enouf>themill: well, i don't care about it for repasting purposes - it displays as it in proper context (in the channel it was sent to)
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12:58<enouf>themill: it's also the * , not just #, iinm - if i surround text with a
12:58<enouf>* - the text is bolded
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12:58<enouf>bold text here
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12:59<themill>enouf: or possibly underlined (what did you put around "others" a couple of lines back)
12:59<enouf>the wonders of perl :-)
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12:59<enouf>ahh .. themill i did two underscores
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13:00<goodger>doesn't beat python
13:00<enouf>one butt up against the leading o , and one just after the last s
13:00<fxiny>hahah what's python ?
13:00<goodger>import antigravity...
13:00<themill>enouf: it's not really an issue unless when you're helping people that you know that every time you include pairs of hashes in a line, your client eats the hashes and sends something else to the channel. Those who see have bold/colour/etc turned off see your posts as s/##// and other see it as markup.
13:00<fxiny>perl ? 21 years of glory !
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13:01<enouf>themill: indeed - i've run into that issue more than once - especially when showing someone cron entries :-P
13:01<themill>enouf: err... I'll leave you to rearrange the words in that sentence until it makes sense.
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13:02<enouf>themill: it's like "ok, how many asterisks do you see now" .. O_o
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13:02<enouf>themill: if i use 5, they see 3 in bold :-P
13:02<enouf>3 only
13:02<themill>enouf: indeed. See I can say __underscores__ are **cool** and not ##bold## without having issues... it would seem to be what your client is sending to the channel.
13:02<enouf>bolded or otherwise
13:03<petern>heh, still on this issue? :)
13:03<enouf>themill: right - i see all your characters as text, not as scripting/markup here
13:03<enouf>petern: all for you :-)
13:04<enouf>themill: you used two of each on each side of the text - i guess if i do the same you would see one of each (on each side) .. and the other pair of each will act as markup
13:04<enouf><themill> enouf: indeed. See I can say __underscores__ are **cool** and not ##bold## without having issues... it would seem to be what your client is sending to the channel
13:04<kop>fxiny: glory or gory?
13:04<enouf>although, that i pasted, now i will type it all out
13:04<themill>enouf: just saw that as plain text.
13:05<enouf>themill: same here
13:05<themill>enouf: but I think this will be in bold for you
13:05<enouf>See i can say __underscores__ are **cool** and not ##bold## without having issues
13:05<goodger>themill: correct
13:05<enouf>eww.. didn't work as expected, still plain text here
13:05<enouf>themill: YEs, that was
13:06*themill gives up trying to understand enouf's irc client
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13:06<enouf>themill: what did you type literally
13:06<themill>percent B
13:06<enouf>you mean '%' + 'b' ?
13:06<enouf>on each side of the text?
13:06<themill>uppercase B though
13:07<enouf>%Bis this bold?%B
13:07<enouf>not here :-P
13:07<themill>that's what I typed, but that doesn't work for your client
13:07*kop would like to use icq, but can't figure out how to get all /msg traffic (and everything else) into a single output stream so he does not have to 'fN between "windows"'.
13:07<enouf>themill: but my client interprets it
13:07<enouf>from you
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13:08<enouf>so, because %B is not used as often as say a pair of * and # then my client sucks? ok
13:08<themill>I normally also have it turned off
13:09<themill>enouf: each client has its own expansion rules -- mine uses to mark bold (and there are other % commands too that I don't know). Your seems to use funky punctuation markers.
13:09*enouf gives up too ;-) (sorry about all the OT folks .. trying to learn a bit)
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13:10<themill>bah.... double-percent %B quotes the percent... I think
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13:10<enry>help i change kernel and my desktop resolution is crazyyy
13:11<fxiny>kop: icq ? irssi+bitlbee ?
13:11<enry>help i can only take 640x480
13:11<fxiny>kop: gory ? hehehe : NASA > google :P
13:12<enouf>themill: well - last thought - in order to alter what you see when anyone CTCP's me (version/ping/time?) i had to go into the perl /usr/bin/client-script-name and actually alter the code - but i forget exactly what i changed (though i think i have a ORIG copy to compare to) but that's why i haven't upgraded it (it was a defunct app/client, not found in {etch?} nor Lenny, but it's back in Sid - so)
13:12<enouf>themill: although, not sure if it would require a gazillion new depends that are part of the BLOAT monster :-P
13:12<enry>someone can help me??
13:13<goodger>hello enry, please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:13<petern>nvidia kernel module?
13:15<enry>goodger, my saver!!
13:15<kop>fxiny : irssi I suppose.
13:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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13:15<goodger>just a warning: I have to go in 75 minutes
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13:16<petern>75 seconds!
13:16<fxiny>he said minutes !
13:16<adama>now you have to stay!
13:16<fxiny>enry: nail goodger !
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13:17<enry>goodger, i unistall debian amd64
13:17<enry>i cannot install so many application
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13:17<Thornley>enouf, if I wanted to try uninstalling the packages from the debian-multimedia repository, like the other guy said, how would I go about doing that?
13:17<goodger>enry: in what sense "uninstall"?
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13:18<enry>goodger, i install a new one
13:18<fxiny>uni wat ? wt4x !
13:18<enry>goodger, can y fix my screen resolution all was good until i installed a new kernel for dual core
13:19<goodger>enry: a new what? a new kernel?...ah...
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13:19<enry>goodger, i installed a new debian at all
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13:19<enry>fresh new install
13:19<enouf>Thornley: all of them?
13:19<h2-2>if anyone here has either pentium 4 or pentium i7 cpus, can you /join #linux-smokers-club to provide some test data? We're trying to implement a feature in a sys info script and need some more data
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13:20<enry>goodger, the 64 bit is not for me i need two application that cannot be installed correctly
13:20<enry>beacouse they are 32 bit
13:20<Thornley>enouf, yes all that was from debian-multimedia... I can always re install them if it doesn't help the problem. But I have a question: is everything I need to play an .avi file available in the lenny repository?
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13:21<goodger>enry: ah...
13:21<enry>goodger, have y seen were i have to modify xorg?
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13:21<enouf>Thornley: maybe something like;
13:22<enouf>as a test run
13:22<goodger>enry: you need to install your original kernel again. I will be back in twenty minutes
13:22<enouf>Thornley: aptitude has a (much?) easier way, but i don't know
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13:23<enouf>Thornley: the --purge is optional (it will also remove conffiles as well as the main pkg) .. and the -s == simulation mode
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13:25<enry>for everyone wich debian i have to install with an Atlon 4800+ X2?
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13:33<enouf>Thornley: i've tried many attempts here, it's not working as expected, i even gave in to trying a for loop - but i guess not only do i stink at scripting, but i likely redirect output to file, then feed that as a list to apt-get ... there are ways
13:34<Thornley>Oh okay, so that command you just gave me doesn't work (I haven't tried it yet)>
13:34<enouf>i've gotten so far as ;
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13:34<enouf>Reading state information... Done
13:34<enouf>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1030 not upgraded.
13:35<enouf>why are none -- doh! simulation mode? wt4x fxiny !
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13:36<h2-2>enry: 32 or 64 bit?
13:37<h2-2>if 64 bit, there's only one choice
13:37<enouf>nope - the -s option should be spitting out text of what it's doing
13:37<h2-2>well, 3
13:37<h2-2>testing, sid, and stable
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13:40<enouf>Thornley: ok, so take the command just above and append ' > dmm-remove-list' then do; ~$ while read line ; do sudo apt-get -s --purge remove $line ; done < dmm-remove-list
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13:40<fxiny>enouf: it spits out Marillat packages here , you want to remove ?
13:40<enouf>that seems to work
13:40<enouf>fxiny: not i, Thornley does
13:41<enry>h2-2, it's 64
13:41<fxiny>enouf: so ... | awk '{ print$2 }' | xargs aptitude -s purge
13:41<Thornley>enouf, You're losing me here... my scripting is a bit rusty. Could you give me a complete command?
13:42<h2-2>enry: you can install either 32 or 64 bit on it
13:42<h2-2>it's up to you, that depends on your needs and preferences
13:42<goodger>enry: I have returned
13:42<Thornley>enouf, Another question... couldn't we just edit something in the apt.config to remove all of the files from the multimedia repository???
13:42<enouf>fxiny: aye
13:42<fxiny>Thornley: use enouf line , add aptitude -s purge after , it won't remove anything but just simulate it . you read and report
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13:42<goodger>h2-2: he installed the 64-bit edition originally then reinstalled with 32-bit and now seems to have buggered his kernel
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13:43<goodger>¬.¬ not helpful
13:43<h2-2>not good
13:43<goodger>no, I refer to the fact that he's gone
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13:44<h2-2>oh, he's gone, now, right
13:44<goodger>rather than the kernel silliness ^_^
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13:44<enouf>Thornley: not that i know of ... once you purge all pkgs from there, you could comment out the dmm repos in sources.list, is that what you mean?
13:44<h2-2>I tend to advise anyone who doesn't know what htey need to use 32 bit, since anyone who needs 64 bit generally knows that
13:45<fxiny>enouf: hmm : aborting here . looking into it
13:45<Thornley>enouf, No i'm not sure at all, I'm just repeating what some guy on here told me last night. He seemed as if he knew exactly what the problem might be, and said that I could fix it by removing everything from the multimedia repository---this was to be accomplished by doing something to an apt config file... something about, "pin" something to "1001".
13:46<fxiny>enouf: right > apt-get -s remove will do
13:46<goodger>well, I think that amd64 should be used on 64-bit processors... amd64 is not usually _needed_ anywhere since the processors are backward-compatible with i386 but it effects moderate performance gains
13:47<enouf>Thornley: pinning might be used to ensure you get pkg versions of the same software from dmm, over the debian official repos, such is like that with ffmpeg
13:47<fxiny>try that
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13:47<h2-2>goodger: depends on what hte user wants to do with their box, what they expect
13:47<fxiny>see if you are happy
13:47<enouf>fxiny: \o/
13:47<fxiny>enouf: that's your line :)
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13:47<enouf>fxiny: optionally, you could add --purge ;-)
13:47<Thornley>fxiny, I got "grep-status: A pattern is mandatory."
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13:48<fxiny>enouf: i turned to apt-get remove cause , dunno why , aptitude aborted
13:48<fxiny>enouf: this is etch
13:49<enouf>fxiny: it doens't need a - appended at the end? oh, yeah, xargs doesn't?
13:49<enouf>fxiny: it doens't need a '-' appended at the end? oh, yeah, xargs doesn't?
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13:49<enouf>fxiny: and i need to use sudo - or run the whole command part as root
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13:51<enouf>fxiny: he's on lenny, so am i (lenny/sid sort of)
13:51<fxiny>enouf: on my etch aptitude aborts that line
13:52<enouf>fxiny: using sudo xargs apt-get -s remove works here
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13:53<enouf>Thornley: you need a blacnk space in between -sPackage and 'install ok installed'
13:53<enouf>-sPackage'install ok installed' <-- yours
13:54<enouf>-sPackage 'install ok installed' <-- corrected
13:54<enouf>Thornley: perfect
13:54<fxiny>Thornley: be spatial :P
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13:54<enouf>Thornley: now add the apt-get --purge remove part
13:54<enouf>er -s
13:55<enouf>with -s for simulation
13:55<enouf>Thornley: now add the apt-get -s --purge remove part
13:55<Thornley>So... the same command but add "| apt-get -s --purge remove" at the end?
13:55<enouf>Thornley: no pipe
13:55<fxiny>you want xargs
13:55<enouf>Thornley: xargs apt-get -s --purge remove part
13:55<Thornley>oh okay
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13:56<fxiny>Thornley: anyway who told you to remove Mariullat packages ?
13:57<Thornley>Some guy on here... user name begins with mr
13:57<enouf>fxiny: he doesn't recall - but i recall seeing that posted, and i don't recall whom said it
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13:57<fxiny>Thornley: i see
13:57<vassko>tell me how to fix this
13:57<vassko>Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
13:57<vassko>Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/dists/intrepid/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
13:57<vassko>Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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13:57<fxiny>ubu ?
13:57<fxiny>wt4x !
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13:58<adama>vassko: put in the CD.
13:58<fxiny>vassko: join ubuntu
13:58<adama>also that
13:58<fxiny>also ? just join
13:58<kop>!tell vassko -about ubuntu
13:58<Thornley>enouf, okay did you get the last pastebin?
13:58<fxiny>kop: so ? installed bitlbee ?
13:58<vassko>ups sorry wrong chann :)
13:59<Thornley>enouf, so now I run the command without the -s?
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13:59<enouf>Thornley: looks ok - save that list of pkgnames though, so you know which to reinstall, when you desire (whether from dmm or elsewhere)
13:59<enouf>Thornley: yes
13:59<vassko>adama, thanks for advice :)
13:59<enouf>fxiny: what's up with that "auto-remove" ? what's your opinion, should he also run that?
14:00<Thornley>enouf, It's going all the way to "Do you want to continue..." then it just say "Abort." It doesn't give me time to say [Y/n].
14:00<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. dependencies pulled in at installation time, no longer needed ;-)
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14:00<enouf>fxiny: Dependecy Resolution Revolution!
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14:00<fxiny>enouf: my lennu still young : i put it on line once , no time for reading about latest apt/apti magic yet
14:01<fxiny>enouf: i'm doig a ras thing
14:01<enouf>fxiny: aye
14:01<enouf>Thornley: ouch
14:01<fxiny>enouf: i'm planning to reburn my preferred dvd , ras way
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14:02<enouf>Thornley: try "awk '{ print$2 }' | echo 'y' | xargs apt-get -s --purge remove"
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14:02<fxiny>enouf: but yes , all this new magic looks very nice indeed
14:03<Thornley>enouf, nothing... just get a ">" sign.
14:03<enouf>Thornley: remove the quotes i used
14:03<fxiny>Thornley: you are not pasting the right line
14:03<enouf>Thornley: the " " ones
14:03<Thornley>haha oops, sorry
14:04<Thornley>enouf, says: Couldn't find package y
14:04<enouf>ahh crap
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14:04<fxiny>Thornley: ">" is a tell tale of you rushing
14:04<Thornley>fxiny, I don't understand.
14:04<fxiny>Thornley: you copied two lines at the time
14:04<enouf>Thornley: try awk '{ print$2 }' | xargs apt-get -s --purge remove < <(echo Y)
14:04<fxiny>and pasted
14:05<enouf>maybe we should use my 'while read line' thing :-P
14:05<enouf>fxiny: he got Aborted before he could answer (n\Y), supposedly
14:05<fxiny>Thornley: and this is the last : install ok installed' | awk '{ print$2 }' | xargs apt-get -s remove
14:06<fxiny>enouf: aborted ?
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14:06<enouf>fxiny: you broke that at a single '
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14:06<fxiny>enouf: heheeh
14:06<fxiny>enouf: eagle eye :)
14:06<enouf>fxiny: [13:57:33] <Thornley> enouf, It's going all the way to "Do you want to continue..." then it just say "Abort." It doesn't give me time to say [Y/n].
14:06<fxiny>enouf: you know i am a sinner :P
14:07<enouf>fxiny: i wish .. i need to go too now
14:07<Thornley>fxiny, enouf, still at the problem you just gave.
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14:07<enouf>Thornley: redirect to file and feed it that way
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14:07<enouf>Thornley: once that works, just remove the -s
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14:09<enouf>Thornley: if that fails, do it all again, but change "awk '{ print$2 }' | xargs > 0filename" [from/to] awk '{ print$2 }' > 0filename
14:10*dutchy can verify, the command on that paste works fine.
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14:10<Thornley>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done' ?
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14:11<enouf>Thornley: you have one ` and one '
14:11<Thornley>Agh, thanks
14:11<enouf>~$ while read line ; do sudo apt-get -s --purge remove $line ; done < 0filename needs none
14:11<Thornley>enouf, Same problem with the "do you want to continue" thing.
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14:12<enouf>see what i just said about if that fails
14:12<enouf>Thornley: xargs uses blank spaces to delimit, whereas we want one item on a newline each .. perhaps
14:12<Lenhix>fxiny: what are you trying to do? (just catching up, seems interesting)
14:12<enouf>wel.. actually, not really .. but, let's try
14:12<fxiny>Lenhix: the ras thing ?
14:13<enouf>oh wait, yes we do - it's a loop
14:13<enouf>Thornley: bingo
14:13<Thornley>enouf, doesn't return anything...
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14:14<Lenhix>the awk print$2 xargs apt-get thjing
14:14<enouf>Thornley: it wrote to file
14:14<enouf>teo: cat 0filename
14:14<fxiny>Lenhix: that's enouf
14:14<enouf>er Thornley
14:14<enouf>Thornley: cat 0filename
14:14<Thornley>yes... I see that
14:14<Thornley>that's the list of files
14:14<enouf>each on it's own line Thornley ?
14:14<enouf>Thornley: ok, now do the while ... command
14:15<Thornley>enouf, okay it did a lot of stuff
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14:15<enouf>Thornley: oh, you were supposed to remove sudo, since you're root :-P
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14:16<fxiny>sudo ZUKS ;P
14:16<enouf>from the commands
14:16<Thornley>Okay now I'm going to remove the -s
14:16<enouf>not the system O_O
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14:16<Thornley>okay and I'm removing sudo
14:16<Thornley>enouf, same problem with the "Do you want to continue"
14:16<fxiny>i'm sure you did not paste it right
14:17<Thornley>okay I'll make a paste...
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14:17<fxiny>hold on : is apt telling you "Do you want to continue" ?
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14:18<Thornley>fxiny, enouf,
14:18<Thornley>fxiny, Yes, but then it just says "Abort" without giving me a chance to respond.
14:18<Lenhix>ok fxiny, it's just i saw a lot of weird/complex pipings and felt intrigue
14:18<Thornley>As shown in
14:18<sandjkirkland>how do I give another user permission to access a thumb drive. I tried to go into properties/permission but it still won't let me change anything
14:18<fxiny>Lenhix: Thornley wants to remove all multimedia packages , that line search for and xargs feeds apt
14:19<hjb>Thornley wow, are you still having those probs playing your avi?
14:19<Thornley>hjb, Yeah were you on here last night??? Did you see what that guy told me to do about "pin" something to "1001"????
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14:20<hjb>Thornley no, two and a half hour ago ;) But you should check
14:21<fxiny>Thornley: instead of "apt-get --purge remove" try "apt-get autoremove"
14:21<fxiny>assuming the file you are reading for is ok
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14:21<Lenhix>uhm, ok
14:21<fxiny>dunno why you don't just pipe the output to xargs
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14:22<hjb>Thornley btw. i've asked you if you have other pkgs from d-m installed. Else i'd would remove that from sources.list and install the lenny or testing mplayer and check if that works
14:22<Thornley>hjb, but the Lenny repositories have everything I need to play .avi files? Don't they?
14:22<hjb>i think
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14:22<Gathond>probably if you include nonfree
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14:22<Thornley>hjb, I don't know why I have multimedia installed then.
14:23<hjb>you must have added it by yourself sometime ago
14:23<hjb>it's not included by default
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14:23<Thornley>enouf, same problem.
14:23<Thornley>hjb, so I'm trying to uninstall it now, so that I can install the mplayer from lenny to see if it plays an .avi properly.
14:26<fxiny>Thornley: maybe , i say maybe it will be easy for you purging mplayer , running deborphan to clear the mess up . edit sources
14:26<fxiny>and get the mplayer you want
14:26<hjb>Thornley that's what i'd suggest
14:27<enouf>fxiny: Thornley use -y
14:27<hjb>btw. never, never ever had trouble with mplayer. plays absolutely all files i've ever seen
14:27<enouf>Thornley: replace -s with -y
14:27<fxiny>do you have mixed sid/lenny sources ?
14:27<fxiny>Thornley: ^^^
14:27<enouf> -y, --yes, --assume-yes
14:27<enouf> Automatic yes to prompts; assume "yes" as answer to all prompts and run non-interactively.
14:27<enouf>how silly i am
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14:28<sandjkirkland>can someone help me with thumbdrive and user permission
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14:31<hjb>sandjkirkland what's the problem?
14:32<sandjkirkland>I am trying to get another user to access the thumbdrive but can't
14:32<hjb>did you add him to the group "plugdev"?
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14:32<hjb>"have you added", damn english grammar :D
14:32<sandjkirkland>hjb, hang on checking
14:33<Thornley>enouf, It seems to be working now...
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14:33<Thornley>enouf, but it's wanting to replace mplayer???
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14:34<Thornley>Damn it
14:34<Thornley>It quit...
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14:35<sandjkirkland>hjb, I went into "Manage Groups" and plugdev wasn't there
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14:36<hjb>sandjkirkland "Manage Groups" ? Where was that?
14:36<Thornley>enouf, I tried to run that command again, the one which seemed to work, but now it says "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" I'm root by the way...
14:36<hjb>sandjkirkland I thought about issuing 'groups $user' at command line :)
14:36<SIM_EU>i'm trying to compress into tar.gz a dirctory and it's subdirecs
14:37<SIM_EU>i can't find the command
14:37<sandjkirkland>that would prob be better but don't know syntax
14:37<hjb>SIM_EU tar xzf <archive> <dir>
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14:37<hjb>sandjkirkland however, if the user isn't member of group, fix that
14:38<hjb>sandjkirkland which interface are you using?
14:38<SIM_EU>i want the directory where i am and all it's subdirectorys
14:38<fxiny>tar c
14:38<fxiny>or tgz
14:38<SIM_EU>that wont work
14:38<SIM_EU>i'm doing
14:38<SIM_EU>tar cvzf
14:38<SIM_EU>tar -cvzf
14:39<fxiny>no more -c . just c
14:39<Thornley>I'm trying to run apt but I get this error when I try to run it: "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" Anyone know how to resolve this without restarting the computer?
14:39<SIM_EU>tar -cvzf <archivename> *.*
14:39<stew>either, the - has always just been ignored
14:39<enouf>Thornley: pkill apt ; pkill dpkg ; pkill aptitude
14:39<hjb>SIM_EU tar czf <archive> .
14:39<enouf>Thornley: then try again
14:39<stew>SIM_EU: *.*? you only want to archive files with a . in the name?
14:40<sandjkirkland>hjb, alright I have user part of a main group
14:40<hjb>enouf uh, will that be healthy?
14:40<SIM_EU>no ALL the files
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14:40<Thornley>enouf, Thanks! pefect
14:40<enouf>Thornley: it's in procps
14:40<enouf>hjb: what's unhealthy about it?
14:40<Thornley>enouf, Now what have we done, we've replaced mplayer with the version from lenny?
14:40<stew>SIM_EU: then you want . or * ; *.* means files that contain a .
14:40<fxiny>if you just want to gzip it , just tgz
14:41<hjb>enouf not sure.. just feels like package database etc. could be damaged when killing running apt/dpkg procs
14:41<enouf>Thornley: not unless you commented out dmm mirrors in source.list, AND ran update AND installed mplayer
14:41<SIM_EU>stew o see stew
14:41<fxiny>i do bzip2 tarball
14:41<SIM_EU>my mistake
14:41<enouf>Thornley: you should run auto-remove now as well, if you like
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14:41<Thornley>okay so now I'm clear of multimedia repository?
14:41<enouf>hjb: nah, hung processes, not doing anything anymore
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14:42<enouf>Thornley: you should be
14:42<hjb>enouf ok, in that case. i wasn't sure that Thornleys processes where really hung
14:42<Thornley>Anyone here know anything about the firmware-ralink package?
14:43<Thornley>I just upgraded lenny and saw that it has been updated; it makes me anxious since I've had problems with it in the past.
14:43<enouf>judd: versions firmwre-ralink
14:43<judd>enouf: firmwre-ralink --
14:43<hjb>Thornley yeah, does ;)
14:43<enouf>judd: versions firmware-ralink
14:43<judd>enouf: firmware-ralink -- etch-backports/non-free: 0.13~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 0.13 lenny/non-free: 0.14 sid/non-free: 0.14
14:43<SIM_EU>stew hjb tar -cvzf <archive name> *
14:43<SIM_EU>this is what i wanted :)
14:44<SIM_EU>thanks anyway
14:44*enouf awaits hjb joy when he realizes what judd does .. ;-)
14:44<hjb>SIM_EU not if there're any dotfiles in the current dir!
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14:44<fxiny>ahhhh tar cf 123.tar 123
14:44<Thornley>enouf, the version of mplayer I have came from the multimedia repository, right?
14:44<fxiny>wt4x !
14:44<enouf>er * won't grab dotfiles, afaik
14:44<enouf>Thornley: have?
14:45<Lenhix>.* should do
14:45<Thornley>enouf, well I would have said had but I still have it... but that's confusing me since I thought it would be removed.
14:45<Thornley>But it's still there... I'm sure of that.
14:45<SIM_EU>hjb what you mean ?
14:45<enouf>that doesn't grab them all either, but you don't need to use that with tar
14:45<enouf>Thornley: run the plain grep-status again .. see if anything is output
14:46<hjb>SIM_EU filename starting with a . (dot) aren't included in the generated archive
14:46<SIM_EU>hjb yes your right
14:46<Thornley>enouf, Yep, 8 packages.
14:46<enouf>Thornley: you might have an mplayer version from Lenny or Sid repos, not dmm
14:46<SIM_EU>how i do that ?
14:46<enouf>Thornley: well, you goofed then
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14:46<hjb>enouf ahh, judd :-) what a joy, thanks
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14:46<enouf>hjb: thank stew
14:46<Thornley>Okay I'm going to run the same thing
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14:47*hjb thanks stew
14:47<enouf>Thornley: if you never ran auto-remove afterwards, that might explain it a bit
14:47<fxiny>what ? a dot file is included in a tarball tar cf dir_with_dots.tar.gz dir_with_dots
14:47<Thornley>enouf, I ran autoremove
14:47<Thornley>I'll run this again...
14:48<EmleyMoor>You could cd to it and just call it .
14:48<fxiny>tar can swallow the whole world :P
14:48<hjb>fxiny that's ok, as you've specified dir_with_dots, *not* *
14:48<enouf>ahh, it's autoremove, no hyphen
14:49<enouf>fxiny: add a z :-P
14:49<fxiny>enouf: j
14:49<enouf>er, j is bzip
14:49<enouf>er, j is bzip2
14:49<enouf>tar.bz2 ?
14:50<fxiny>enouf: i like the slackwerk tgz dir
14:50<Thornley>enouf, okay it's working again...
14:50<Thornley>now I'm going to do another autoremove
14:50<hjb>fxiny what's slackwerk?
14:50<hjb>sounds like slackware
14:50<fxiny>hjb: yes :)
14:50<enouf>Thornley: do you have like 6500 lines in your sources.list?
14:50<Thornley>enouf, No, i've but a few.
14:50<enouf>ok, done
14:50<hjb>fxiny nice, have used it a long time, was my first dist ;)
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14:51<fxiny>hjb: never used but i like slackware ppl
14:51<Thornley>Okay now so i'll reinstall mplayer from Lenny and retry the .avi file, enouf.
14:51*hjb press thumbs for Thornley
14:52<Thornley>Thanks hjb, but my .avi still has the green bar and the out of sync RGB.
14:52*hjb wonders what's in his .avi
14:52<hjb>oh man :-(
14:52<hjb>that sucks
14:52<Thornley>It plays on another machine I have, running testing.
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14:52<hjb>Does it play with other players? like xine or vlc?
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14:53<fxiny>hjb: ever seen how they look after they install debian ? ;)
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14:54<hjb>Thornley oh, maybe you still have some libs or codecs from debian-multimedia installed on your system, though
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14:54<hjb>Thornley not the ones from testing
14:54<hjb>fxiny no, haven't looked into the mirror after doing so :-D
14:54<hjb>fxiny how do they?
14:54<Thornley>hjb, so perhaps enouf process of determining which files were from multimedia is flawed?
14:55<fxiny>hjb: they SMILE ;)))
14:55<Thornley>hjb, see: (first line).
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14:55<hjb>Thornley uh, don't know as i wasn't here when he explained you
14:56<hjb>fxiny probably yess! :-D
14:56<Thornley>hjb, that's just how he went about finding which packages were installed from the multimedia repository.
14:56<Thornley>hjb, do you have a suggestion as to where I should go from here?
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14:56<fxiny>hjb: i had a friend like that . a hardcore slack user , hahahah
14:57<enouf>Thornley: try aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i
14:57<enouf>just because your AVI file doesn't play properly != dmm repo software is installed
14:58<hjb>fxiny yeah, me was like that before. And if i think know.... Watching Thornley having trouble with package management... Slack is great!!
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14:58<hjb>fxiny no trouble with that at all ;)
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14:59<fxiny>hjb: hehehe , Thornley is after some old artifact i presume . a calice ? the grail ? :P
14:59<hjb>Thornley not sure, i'd try ther players at first
14:59<EmleyMoor>Lackswear <g>
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15:00<hjb>Thornley just try xine or vlc
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15:00<hjb>Thornley may also be a prob with graphics board, driver, x config...
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15:01<fxiny>Thornley: good luck . i'm going
15:01<fxiny>enouf: :P
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15:02<hjb>uh, i hate my scanner :-@ have to boot windooze to use it
15:02<hjb>fxiny bye
15:04<hjb>anyone else here have a canon canoscan fb630u?
15:04<hjb>mine doesn't calibrate well using sane and refuses to scan afterwards
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15:05<hjb>when i calibrate it using win, i can scan using linux, but after the next reboot.... i have to use win again to recalibrate
15:05<hjb>strange thing is that i uses to work yome years ago
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15:12<Thornley>enouf, aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i doesn't return anything.
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15:15<Thornley>hjb, progress... vlc now plays it better (not perfect but better) whereas previously vlc wouldn't play it at all.
15:16<Thornley>Does anyone know of a way to establish if the colour reproduction is accurate? As in video playback... how could someone tell if the colours are being reproduced properly; is there a test program or something?
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15:29<cahoot>Thornley: colorcalibrate your monitor
15:30<Thornley>cahoot, I just clicked on the "nvidia x server settings" under system tools in the applications menu and the problem went away.
15:30<Thornley>It seems quite strange, could anyone explain that to me???
15:32<Lenhix>Perhaps when you open it, it initializes the card, restoring/recalculating some values
15:32<Lenhix>Just a theory
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15:45<Thornley>Lenhix, sounds probable.
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16:04<Thornley>Hello, I'm trying to play a video with VLC. However, when I run it it doesn't display any video UNLESS I run it as root. Could someone help me out?
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16:09<code>anyone use a eeepc?
16:10<Lenhix>I've used those, but don't have one
16:10<code>Where is the disk drive
16:10<code>I just got one ;p
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16:10<code>im trying to get debain on it
16:11<Lenhix>It's a debian, actually
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16:11<Lenhix>If you execute the console you will notice that
16:11<code>So any idea where the diskdrive is?
16:11<petern>xandros related or something?
16:12<petern>disk drive... heh
16:12<Lenhix>you mean phisically code ?
16:12<code>I mean
16:12<petern>it's... internal
16:12<petern>is it a flash one?
16:12<Lenhix>Did you look in Asus' webpage?
16:12<code>lentix yes
16:12<petern>iirc the flash models have non-removable flash
16:12<mgoetze>should be an SSD
16:12<code>I mean the DVD diskdrive
16:13<code>not the Solid state drive
16:13<mgoetze>there is no dvd disk drive
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16:14<Slurb>code sounds like a notebook
16:14<Lenhix>You mean the DVD tray?
16:14<Slurb>no drive at all
16:14<petern>it would be fairly obvious where it was if it had one...
16:14<code>Lenhix, yes
16:14<Lenhix>Dunno, either, hehehe
16:14<code>i though it had a disk drive
16:15<Slurb>youd have to do a net install
16:15<mgoetze>read before you buy ;)
16:15<Lenhix>There's gotta be a diagram of an eeepc on the Internet
16:15<petern>what model is it?
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16:15<Slurb>notebooks dont have disk drives
16:15<petern>i don't think any eees come with an optimal disk drive
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16:16<craigevil>just use a usb drive
16:16<code>i though it had a disk drive
16:16<code>i though it was like the mac book
16:16<petern>you thought wrong :)
16:16<code>could i like solder one
16:16<petern>you could plug a usb one in
16:16<mgoetze>code: let's practice that thinking thing... how much does an eeepc cost, and how much does a macbook cost?
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16:17<code>mgoetze, what's a internet troll?
16:17<craigevil>code: there is a debian eeepc irc channel #debian-eeepc
16:18<mgoetze>code: look it up on wikipedia. btw, if you had bothered to look up the eeepc on wikipedia, you'd know it doesn't have a disc drive
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16:23<Thornley>Hello, I'm trying to play a video with VLC. However, when I run it it doesn't display any video UNLESS I run it as root. Could someone help me out?
16:24<mgoetze>Thornley: try adding yourself to the video group
16:24<Guest184>apt tools are not working on my lenny box, the file system where it is located recently suffered file corruption, and it seem to have corrupted FUBAR style the /vvar
16:24<Thornley>"adduser x video" where x is the user name of the person to be added. mgoetze?
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16:24<Guest184>dreadful sorry. /var/lib/dpkg/status
16:25<stew>Thornley: yes, then logout and log back in (or use newgrp)
16:25<Thornley>stew how do I use newgrp?
16:25<Guest184>Now it is printing "E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."
16:26<stew>Thornley: 'newgrp groupname' starts a new subshell with 'groupname' being the gid
16:26<stew>Guest184: try one of the backups in /var/backups/
16:26<Thornley>mgoetze, stew, I ran "adduser x video" and it says that I'm already a member of this group.
16:26<stew>Thornley: does "groups" list "video" as one of the groups?
16:26<Thornley>yes stew
16:28<mgoetze>Thornley: hm, what does "ls -l /dev/{fb,video}0" say?
16:28<mgoetze>Thornley: are you also in the audio group?
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16:28<Thornley>I'm in the audio group mgoetze; and ls -l /dev/{fb,video}0 returns "ls: cannot access /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
16:28<Thornley>ls: cannot access /dev/video0: No such file or directory"
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16:30<stew>/dev/video0 would typically be an input device, not an output device, right?
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16:30<mgoetze>oh? i thought it's an output device... i don't know what kind of input device it could be on my system
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16:32<mgoetze>Thornley: what does "find /dev -group video" say?
16:32<Thornley>mgoetze, nothing.
16:34<mgoetze>hm, at this point i would be running strace vlc as root if i were you, to find out what device it opens, but the output isn't so easy to read...
16:34<mgoetze>but give it a try if you're up for some interesting reading :)
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16:35<Guest184>stew: I want to kiss you. Thank you so much.
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16:36<Thornley>run "strace vlc"?
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16:36<marco__>stew, I want to kiss you. Thank you so much ;-)
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16:37<marco__>I wish it could restore the backup (backing up the old file) in a semi-automatic way though, it would save the hassle to have the user discover the backup directory
16:37<marco__>in any case, thanks.
16:37<Thornley>mgoetze, it just spits out a bunch of jibberish.
16:38<mgoetze>yeah, as i said, it's hard to read if you're not used to it
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16:38<Thornley>Yeah I've never done this; perhaps someone else has an idea?
16:39<marco__>hmmm. Now it's spitting: " failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory"
16:39<marco__>and, indeed, the file does not exist...
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16:40<stew>marco__: try dselect update
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16:40<Thornley>Hello, I'm trying to play a video with VLC. However, when I run it it doesn't display any video UNLESS I run it as root. Could someone help me out?
16:41<marco__>stew: "bash: dselect: command not found"
16:41<marco__>running as root
16:41<stew>marco__: is this debian?
16:41<marco__>aye, lenny
16:41<Tarcas>Thornley: sounds like a permissions problem, but I'm not familiar with VLC, so that's as far as I can help.
16:41<marco__>at least, it is supposed to ;-)
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16:42<stew>oh, when did dselect become optional
16:42<stew>marco__: try "aptitude install dselect'?
16:43<marco__>stew: still complains about /var/lib/dpkg/avaliable, it seems to fetch the package but it doesn't install it
16:44<marco__>maybe I can extract the downloaded packages manually? at least for now?
16:44<stew>marco__: what about "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dselect*deb"?
16:45<stew>marco__: or "touch /var/lib/dpkg/available" to see if that makes dpkg happy enough to install dselect, then remove that empty file and run "dselect update" to recreate it
16:45<marco__>stew: same error: "dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory". Is there a way to rebuild this "avaliable" file?
16:45<stew>marco__: yes, the way to rebuild the available file is "dselect update"
16:45<marco__>oh bugger
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16:46<stew>marco__: oh, try "dpkg --update-avail"
16:46<mgoetze>Thornley: perhaps an easier way, start vlc as root, then find out it's pid with ps, then ls -l /proc/$pid/fd
16:47<marco__>"dpkg: --update-avail needs exactly one Packages file argument"
16:48<stew>marco__: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages
16:48<marco__>should I specify dselect*.deb? Or is it referencing a proper file called "Packages"?
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16:48<sandjkirkland>How do i allow access to /media/disk to other users.
16:48<Thornley>mgoetze, okay, now what do I do?
16:49<mgoetze>Thornley: so you started vlc as root? now type "ps -e -o pid,command|grep vlc"
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16:50<marco__>stew: hmm. it seems that there are lots of files that match /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages. None of which seem immediately obvious to me:
16:50<marco__>maybe I should do a for loop for all of them?
16:51<stew>marco__: /var/lib/apt/lists/
16:51<Thornley>mgoetze, yeah I already got it's PID
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16:51<stew>marco__: use that one at least to create the file, then you can install dselect, then remove the available file and run "dselect update"
16:51<mgoetze>Thornley: so, if the pid is, say, 1234, do "ls -l /proc/1234/fd"
16:51<Thornley>mgoetze, yes I did that.
16:52<mgoetze>Thornley: look for any lines with /dev in them
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16:52<sandjkirkland>I tried sudo Nautilus but get that I do not have permission
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16:54<marco__>stew:curiously, after dpkg --update-avail $etc I still don't have a /var/lib/dpkg/avaliable file, but it seems that dselect installed properly...
16:54<Thornley>mgoetze, okay found some.
16:54<mgoetze>Thornley: and what are they? just the path with /dev in it
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16:54<marco__>stew: dselect update exited with no errors, yay!
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16:55<marco__>stew: How can I lobby to make all this tiresome procedure something other novice users won't have to endure?
16:56<mgoetze>marco__: novice users are not suposed to corrupt their filesystem
16:56<stew>marco__: file wishlist bugs, preferably with patches
16:56<Thornley>mgoetze, wait... I just type "/dev/x" ?
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16:56<marco__>mgoetze: They simply don't corrupt their filesystems?
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16:56<mgoetze>Thornley: no i want you to tell me what you saw in the ls output
16:56<marco__>mgoetze: Corruption happens, it happened to me!
16:57<Thornley>oh okay
16:57<marco__>stew: I'll see what I can do. Thanks a lot.
16:57<mgoetze>also, don't bother filing any bugs against dselect, noone cares about that anymore :)
16:57<stew>marco__: so its probably better to restore everything from the last known good backup. what you are doing can cause problems if your backed up status file doesn't know about things that have happened since that backup was created
16:58<mgoetze>Thornley: hm, and this while you were playing a video?
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16:59<Thornley>mgoetze, that was while VLC was launched... sorry I'll redo it for when a video is playing (or when I'm hearing audio from a video file that should be playing)
16:59<sandjkirkland>anybody know how to make a thumbdrive accessible to other users
16:59<marco__>stew: APT could ask for the user to restore a "last known good backup", so that users with a better understanding of the system can avoid unwanted behaviour, while keeping the package system working for clumsier users... IMHO
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16:59<maddash>sandjkirkland: you mean r/w as non-root?
17:00<sandjkirkland>maddash, yes
17:00<stew>marco__: you mean in the case when ONLY /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupted?
17:01<stew>marco__: if lots of unknown stuff in /var is corrupted, then /var should be restored from a backup, not just this single file
17:01<marco__>stew: APT could sense what files (and its direct relatives) are corrupted, couldn't it?
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17:01<stew>marco__: i don't see how
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17:02<maddash>sandjkirkland: modify the permissions of the mount point, and edit fstab so that the thumbdrive can be mounted by non-root
17:02<marco__>stew: It could do snapshots of important files that are related to each other, seeing it already does backup some files periodically
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17:03<sandjkirkland>maddash, that sounds a little greek to me, can you explain a little further
17:03<marco__>stew: or maybe I'm speaking nonsense, sorry. I should have backed up /var, even though this installation only has a week of use
17:03<stew>sandjkirkland: what filesystem is it?
17:03<stew>sandjkirkland: how are you mounting it?
17:04<maddash>stew: why would the fstype matter?
17:04<sandjkirkland>its automount when in root
17:04<sandjkirkland>filesystem is fat
17:04<stew>maddash: becuase if he is trying to make files on a filesystem available to other users, what he would do for ext3 is much different than what he would do for vfat
17:05<stew>sandjkirkland: do you know what is automounting it?
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17:05<Thornley>mgoetze, i'm running the "ls -l /proc/x/fd" but it just says ls" cannot access... No such file or dirrectory
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17:06<sandjkirkland>I don't I am using Gutsy Gibbon. I am fairly new to Linux
17:06<maddash>sandjkirkland: as root: 'chmod a=rwx [mount point]'
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17:06<stew>sandjkirkland: ask #ubuntu on then
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17:07<mgoetze>Thornley: looks like the pid changed, then
17:07<Thornley>I redid the commands though...
17:07<mgoetze>and the video is still playing?
17:07<mgoetze>you're doing this all as root, right?
17:07<Thornley>mgoetze, whoa...
17:08<Thornley>mgoetze, the pid is constantly changing...
17:08<Thornley>everytime I run "ps -e -o pid,command|grep vlc" I get a different PID resuilt.
17:08<mgoetze>hm, that's strange... well i don't use vlc :) so i dunno about that
17:08<Thornley>mgoetze, yes I'm doing this as root.
17:08<Thornley>Yes the video is still playing.
17:08<mgoetze>(are you sure you're not getting the pid of your grep process?)
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17:09<Thornley>mgoetze, that sounds more likely, but it's the same command you gave me and that I ran a minute ago; the command that gave me a /dev thing.
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17:10<Thornley>mgoetze, let us start this over.
17:10<enry>hi to use ndiswrapper on my laptop i have to do "modprobe ndiswrapper" everytime how to not do this?
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17:10<mgoetze>Thornley: yeah that was the /dev of the terminal you were using
17:11<Slurb>enry add it to /etc/modules i believe
17:11<mgoetze>Thornley: i guess vlc changes its' command line to something cute, so you'll have to run "ps -e -o pid,command" without the grep and look for it
17:12<Thornley>mgoetze, okay got it.
17:13<Thornley>mgoetze, now what do I do?
17:13<mgoetze>Thornley: now that you have the real pid, start a video if it's not running, then do the ls -l /proc/x/fd thing
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17:13<mgoetze>Thornley: and pastebin the output
17:14<enry>Slurb, , and to do "modprobe -r ehci_hcd"????
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17:14<user01>is there a site for the irc logs?
17:14<user01>a log bot?
17:14<Thornley> mgoetze
17:14<Slurb>no enry
17:15<Slurb>why would you remove a module?
17:15<enry>how to do "modprobe -r ehci_hcd" at startup????
17:15<enry>Slurb, my usb 2.0 controller is broken
17:15<stew>enry: you could blacklist that module so that it is never loaded in the first place: /msg dpkg blacklist
17:16<Slurb>add it to the blacklist file im not sure where it is
17:16<enry>i remove it becouse my usb 2.0 controller isbroken
17:16<mgoetze>Thornley: hum, and you're sure it's doing video and not just sound? anyway, what's the output of "netstat -x|egrep '23340(35|38|45)'"?
17:16<enry>please how can i do it??
17:17<stephim>enry /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist add line " blacklist ehci_hcd"
17:17<Thornley>mgoetze, yep, i'm watching it.
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17:18<mgoetze>Thornley: hm, "lsof|egrep '23340(35|37|38|45)'"?
17:18<enry>ok rebooting
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17:20<mgoetze>Thornley: humph... that's not helpful i'm afraid :(
17:20<mgoetze>Thornley: anyway, i guess i can't figure it out, sorry :(
17:20<Thornley>that's okay, don't worry about it
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17:23<enry>nothing i have to do them manually
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17:32<stephim>enry can you paste your blacklist file ?
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17:48<linkslice>I've got an etch server with mdadm mirrors, and once a month the second drive drops offline during the checkarray (first sunday of every month), if I bring the drive offline and --re-add it comes back and works just fine until the next first sunday of a month and goes offline again. I can't find a specific bug for this anyone have any troubleshooting tips?
17:50<mgoetze>linkslice: looked at the output of dmesg?
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17:51<stephim>linkslice : did you update the HDD firmware ?
17:52<crazyb0y>i've got a strange problem with lenny/sid (testing) when trying to upgrade libapache2-mod-php5
17:52<Lenhix>if that happens with the checkarray try looking at the parameters, maybe sth there could be causing it. And logs, the always good logs
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17:53<Guest195>nabend allerseits
17:53<Lenhix>Uhm, I don't know... but that "partially installed" seems strange
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17:54<Guest195>spricht hier auch jemand deutsch????????????
17:54<stephim>crazyb0y try dpkg-reconfigure libapache2-mod-php5
17:54<Lenhix>nope Guest195
17:54<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
17:55<crazyb0y>stephim: i tried reinstall, now i removed it and can't install it =(
17:55<stew>crazyb0y: show us the output of "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php5.postinst configure"
17:55<stew>crazyb0y: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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17:56<stew>crazyb0y: what happens when you run 'apache2ctl configtest' ?
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17:56<crazyb0y>stew: nothing, i can't restart, start... the apache now
17:56<stew>crazyb0y: so if you run "apache2ctl configtest", nothing happens?
17:57<crazyb0y>i tried to check what happens with strace apache2ctl start but no errors
17:57<crazyb0y>stew: nope, nothing happens
17:57<stew>crazyb0y: it doesn't produce any output at all?
17:57<stew>that's odd
17:57<crazyb0y>no =(
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17:57<crazyb0y>everything was ok
17:58<crazyb0y>after aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade... this it the result.. =)
17:58<stew>crazyb0y: it should at least tell you something like "Syntax: OK"
17:58<crazyb0y>stew: yes i know
17:58<crazyb0y>but it doesn;t
17:58<linkslice>mgoetze, in dmesg I see an error here: raid1: Incorrect number of segments after building list ... Disk failure on sdb5, disabling device.
17:58<stew>crazyb0y: what does "which apache2ctl" return?
17:58<crazyb0y>stew: /usr/sbin/apache2ctl
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18:00<stew>crazyb0y: i'd guess i'd try reinstaling apache2.2-common
18:00<stew>crazyb0y: does /etc/apache2/apache2.conf exist?
18:00<crazyb0y>sure =)
18:00<stew>actually, it would complain if it didn't
18:00<crazyb0y>stew: this is a working server with ~100 vhosts =)
18:00<crazyb0y>everything was ok =)
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18:01<crazyb0y>let me try reinstalling apache2.2-common
18:01<crazyb0y>stew: take a look at this please
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18:02<crazyb0y>again it's freezin on libapache2-php5
18:02<stew>oh, its freezing?
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18:03<crazyb0y>something is wrong with the apache
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18:05<crazyb0y>stew: i found the problem
18:05<crazyb0y>let me try install again the php5-mod
18:05<linkslice>stephim, no, I did not update the hdd firmware. It's run fine for 2 years, then 2 months ago it started doing this. I think the second drive is failing
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18:06<crazyb0y>stew: a problem with one ZONE in our DNS Server, it wasn't able to resolve few of the VirtualHosts loaded in the apache2 config
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18:06<crazyb0y>now everything is ok =))))
18:06<crazyb0y>stew: thank you very much for your help
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18:06<stew>crazyb0y: you're welcome. its still odd that configcheck didn't produce output
18:07<stew>crazyb0y: or did configtest just not return at all (becuase it was waiting on dns)?
18:07<crazyb0y>it didn't produce any output
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18:07<crazyb0y>just freezing
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18:08<stew>crazyb0y: freezing or taking a long time?
18:08<crazyb0y>taking a long time
18:08<crazyb0y>with no output
18:08<stew>ok, that's no longer suprising then
18:08<crazyb0y>the first time i was waiting it maybe ~20mins
18:09<crazyb0y>i think it should has a timeout ?
18:09<stew>it does
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18:10<ubuntu>can anyone tell me how to configure sound on a dell latitude d830
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18:11<themill>ubuntu: I'll take a random guess that you want #ubuntu on, not #debian
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18:11<ubuntu>probably in the wrong irc
18:12<crazyb0y>hmm strange, why aptitude upgrade, didn't update the kernel on lenny/sid
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18:12<themill>crazyb0y: what were you expecting it to do? (update from what to what)
18:12<stew>crazyb0y: what kernel version do you currently have installed?
18:12<crazyb0y>2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP
18:13<stew>crazyb0y: what version of linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 do you currnetly have installed?
18:13<crazyb0y>i'm just surprised, why it doesn;t update so lon time
18:13<themill>crazyb0y: no, dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 | tail -1
18:13<themill>judd versions linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
18:13<judd>themill: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26-12 sid: 2.6.26-12
18:13<crazyb0y>i'm on testing
18:13<crazyb0y>just a second
18:13<crazyb0y>ii linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-12 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
18:14<crazyb0y>is it the latest kernel ?
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18:15<crazyb0y>oooh thanks
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18:16<themill>crazyb0y: being a user of testing, you'd be subscribed to debian-devel-announce and know that testing is currently frozen in the lead up to a release, which means there are no new packages entering testing at the moment, wouldn't you?
18:17<crazyb0y>themill: oooh i see, i didn;t know that
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18:17<themill>dpkg: tell crazyb0y about dda
18:17<crazyb0y>themill: thank you very much
18:18<crazyb0y>should i stop using testing ?
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18:18<marco__>dpkg: tell marco__ about dda too
18:18<Thornley>Hello I'm trying to unmount a usb hard drive but when I give the umount command it says it can't unmount because the device is busy. Could someone offer some help?
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18:19<marco__>Thornley: there's probably a program still accessing the mount point
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18:19<alxd>try umount -l
18:19<themill>crazyb0y: you might want to make sure your sources.list contains "lenny" rather than testing so you keep tracking lenny once it releases.
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18:20<fmachat>utilise fuser...
18:20<blarson>Thornley: or a shell with it as current directory
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18:20<crazyb0y>themill: that was helpfull, thanks again
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18:21<marco__>Thornley: It's usually recommended to find the process using the mount point before attempting a lazy unmount, or at least I was told that
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18:21<fmachat>fuser te donnera la liste de process en cours sur cette partition... tu dois les killer d'abord...
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18:22<fmachat>sorry... fuser will give you the list of process that you have to kill
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18:24<fmachat>exactly 'fuser ,mountpoint>
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18:24<fmachat>exactly : fuser ,mountpoint
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18:28<monitor>é nois
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18:28<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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18:33<crazyb0y>themill: i changed my sources.lst to lenny, and there are no new updates =))
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18:39<mgoetze>crazyb0y: see /topic
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18:40<newsense>crazyb0y, if things havent changed since i last did a dist upgrade ya gotta run aptitude dist-upgrade
18:41<crazyb0y>for now i was using testing
18:41<crazyb0y>now changed to lenny =)
18:41<newsense>lenny is nice i run it myself
18:41<crazyb0y>yeah i know =)
18:42<crazyb0y>i was using it for long time =)
18:42<crazyb0y>as "testing" for sure =)
18:42<alxd>lenny is not nice
18:42<craigevil-eee>its the same thing why would you expect to have updates lenny=testing
18:42<barnes>crazyb0y lenny and testing is the samething
18:42<crazyb0y>barnes: i know
18:42<alxd>..its great! :)
18:42<newsense>i wish amarok was a little less buggy but it works if you know how to get around the bugs
18:42<crazyb0y>as i said "as testing"
18:44<alxd>im using lenny with kernel 2.6.26 and everything works like it should
18:44<alxd>even the beta 2 was stable for me
18:44<crazyb0y>me too =)
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18:48<marco__>Anyone knows a simple GUI text editor that's lighter and faster to start than gedit?
18:48<amphi>gvim? ;)
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18:48<marco__>erm... does gvim support the "ctrl+c" clipboard? ;-)
18:49<alxd>medit is similar to gedit and a bit faster
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18:51<marco__>hmmm, thanks. I think I'll try them all ;-)
18:51<alxd>in the end you go back to vim
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18:54<themill>kedit or kwrite
18:54<marco__>the thing about text-interface editors is that the "middle-click" clipboard (for a lack of a better term) is quite easy to overwrite by accident, so sometimes I still feel the need for a quick and dirty graphical "notepad"
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18:54<marco__>leafpad loaded remarkably fast
18:55<Tim>does anyone know how to install flash player on iceweasel? (mozilla)
18:55<Tim>i am still new to linux so bare with me
18:55<craigevil-eee>aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree or use gnash
18:55<themill>Tim: i386 or amd64? etch or lenny?
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18:55<themill>!adobe flash
18:55<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
18:56<Tim>No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree
18:56<Tim>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
18:56<themill>craigevil-eee: remember that flashplugin-nonfree isn't in either etch or lenny
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18:57<marco__>as a side note, in general, Flash for linux is quite a poor performer compared to the Windows version
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18:57<craigevil-eee>hehe i always forget that im so used to running sid
18:57<Tim>well what can I use to watch youtube videos?
18:57<themill>Tim: follow the instructions that dpkg just gave you -- you need to use either or or sid depending on what release you're running
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18:58<alxd>flash 10 is not so bad anymore, you can dl the linux installer from adobe
18:58<marco__>Tim: yes. but especially if you are using firefox, don't expect the same stability when opening various pages with flash (at least from my own experience YMMV)
18:58<Tim>thats fine
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18:58<Tim>ive been trying to watch ONE video for 3 days and i cant lol
18:58<craigevil-eee>bs flash 10 works fine i cant remember the last time iceweasel crashed or had issues with flash
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18:59<marco__>craigevil-eee: Hmmm, might give it try later then. Are you using the AMD64 version?
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19:00<themill>craigevil-eee: I find it exceedingly easy to crash iceweasel, but I can't tell you definitively that it's flash related.
19:00<craigevil-eee>no 32bit, 64bit is a totally different beast
19:00<marco__>craigevil-eee: Fair enough. Thanks. ;-)
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19:02<craigevil-eee>themill do you have gtk-qt-engine installed? seems it can cause iw to crash for no reason
19:02<themill>craigevil-eee: I do on one machine, but mrs themill doesn't and she has even more iw crash related issues than me.
19:03<themill>(and she doesn't have it installed)
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19:03<marco__>themill: did she try opera?
19:03<Tim>The only package I can find is
19:03<Tim>etch-backports (web): Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin [contrib]
19:03<Tim>1:1.4~bpo40+1 [backports]: amd64 i386
19:03<craigevil-eee>my wife can crash it in a blink of an eye,whilei can have it open for days with no crashes go figure
19:04<themill>craigevil-eee: sounds familiar
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19:04<themill>Tim: are you using etch or lenny?
19:04<themill>marco__: non-free. snore.
19:04<craigevil-eee>its all the crappy myspace/facebook pages she looks at
19:04<Tim>im not sure
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19:04<Tim>i know its i386
19:04<marco__>themill: non-free. Happens to be better.
19:04<Woet>Could anyone tell me why the SSL certificate of is invalid? All browsers accept it, besides wget..
19:05<themill>Tim: cat /etc/debian_version
19:05<Tim>is all it says
19:06<themill>Tim: so that's etch. If you follow the instructions on, then you will be able to install the package you just found using apt.
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19:09<marco__>does anyone know a brain friendly intro to awk?
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19:12<brlancer>Evolution w/ Exchange is generally unstable for me with random hanging that sometimes comes back, sometimes doesn't; I changed my username from the shortname to the domain\shortname and authentication broke and I can't get it to reauthenticate again. Anyone seen/resolved this?
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19:13<Tim>ahahahahahaaaaa IT WORKED
19:13<marco__>yay! :-)
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19:14<And1>How do I tell date to use english day_names, if my locale isn't english (only LANG)?
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19:14<alxd>Tim: so what version was oon backports
19:15<themill>Tim: :)
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19:18<Tim>downloaded that and installed it
19:19<marco__>Tim: How's the performance?
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19:20<Tim>its actually pretty good
19:20<alxd>i mean what flash version, right click on a movie > about
19:20<torren31>hi is any one good on madwifi config ?
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19:21<Tim>You have version 9,0,152,0 installed
19:21<alxd>ahh oold :)
19:21<themill>alxd: that's the most recent version that can be installed on etch. It also works just fine.
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19:22<alxd>themill: you "can" install version right from adobe..
19:22<crazyb0y>torren31: yes
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19:23<themill>alxd: istr it complains about missing libraries on etch. In the same way you can't install firefox3 on etch.
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19:27<valdyn>And1: type locale, see environment variables that cover specific parts of your system
19:27<And1>LC_TIME is for date, mh?
19:28<valdyn>And1: yea, and LC_ALL magically sets all of them
19:29<And1>I just want my day names and system message english. LC_MESSAGES already is en_US (not LANG like I said).
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19:32<marco__>how could I make scripts run when a usb thumb drive is attached to the system?
19:32<enouf>!udev rules
19:32<dpkg>file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at
19:32<themill>!blame udev
19:32*dpkg blames sward and udev for the end of the world as we know it
19:32<marco__>yeah, I heard udev is the devil to work with
19:32<newsense>marco_, read the docs its surprisingly easy
19:33*sward hugs udev
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19:33<sward>partners in crime
19:33<themill>sward: :)
19:33<marco__>everyone, thanks :-)
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19:41<dpkg><peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing
19:42<marco__>can the "noexec" mount option be used as a security feature to prevent users to run scripts and binaries?
19:42*themill hides from all the ops he just highlighted.
19:42<themill>marco__: it can help defeat some script kiddie attacks
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19:44<marco__>themill:you said script kiddies, this means it has a simple way around it, right?
19:45<themill>marco__: you can execute whatever it was on a different partition or, if it's a script, by calling it through the interpreter (sh foobar rather than ./foobar)
19:45<themill>marco__: it can be enough to stop an automated attack going from remote exploit to privilege escalation to rooted box.
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19:46<bluevapour>hey guys having a problem with external hdd
19:47<themill>marco__: so yeah, mounting /tmp and /srv or whereever your web space is noexec and nosuid is a good plan. Similarly mounting nfs mounts (where appropriate) is a good idea. Note that dpkg doesn't like /tmp being noexec though.
19:47<marco__>themill: ah. Only useful for restricting binaries, and then only if one could "noexec" all partitions writable by the user, right?
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19:47<bluevapour>formatted it clean with ext3, usb1 which took a few hours, playing an ep of 24, and i noticed i had a tiny glimpse of prison break, (had it on previously before format, but not atall now) any suggestions
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19:49<marco__>bluevapour: It's accessing a file that was on a file system that was overwritten by the current one?
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19:50<bluevapour>however the filesystem was ntfs, and linux doesnt have that native
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19:50<bluevapour>seems to be alright the second time ive played it
19:50<marco__>bluevapour: I'm shooting blind here, but maybe it's a leftover from the video memory from a video you played before
19:50<bluevapour>going to give it a nother format just to make sure
19:51<marco__>bluevapour: try just restarting your computer
19:51<bluevapour>Ive restarted my pc and server atleast 10times since
19:51<bluevapour>the format
19:51<bluevapour>looking over the same part
19:51<bluevapour>vlc is streaming it from samba, it seems ok
19:51<marco__>bluevapour: It's not on the disk, it doesn't make any sense
19:51<bluevapour>but before i saw a prison break clip
19:51<bluevapour>really weird
19:51<marco__>bluevapour: you can use badblocks -w -t random $dev to overwrite it with random data first
19:51<bluevapour>ok will a format through usb2 be quicker than usb1, im assuming so because of bandwitdth?
19:52<bluevapour>i dont mind reformatting it
19:52<marco__>bluevapour: or dd if=/dev/urandom of=$dev if you are a bit paranoid
19:52<bluevapour>its a 640gb HDD
19:52<bluevapour>will any of those commands erase what i currently have
19:52<bluevapour>i know dd copys bytes files etc
19:52<marco__>bluevapour: But I don't think it's accessing the frames from prison break from that disk, it really doesn't make any sense
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19:53<marco__>bluevapour: It will erase everything on "$dev", "$dev" being the device you want to wipe
19:53<bluevapour>Its completely gone now
19:53<bluevapour>Is it worth the risk of leaving it
19:53<bluevapour>its format is ext3, and it was ntfs before, ive formatted it atleast 4 times since
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19:54<bluevapour>was ntfs, formatted it into multi fat32 partitions, then formatted it again into ext3/fat32
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19:54<marco__>you can use "shred" if you are really paranoid (although if you are really, really paranoid, not even "shred" will kill everything in the disk)
19:54<bluevapour>But the PB was defo on a ntfs partition which linux wouldn be able to read
19:54<bluevapour>sudo cp -R /storage/external /storage/backup
19:54<bluevapour>^Adcp: reading `/storage/external/Death.Race[2008][Unrated.Edition]DvDrip-aXXo.avi': Input/output error
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19:55<dredtrake>hi all
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19:56<koollman>if you are really paranoid, a big hammer and a large fire can prevent a lot of data forensics procedures
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19:56<bluevapour>ok so im going to format the drive
19:56<bluevapour>nono im not bothered about that
19:56<bluevapour>more so streaming issues
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19:56<bluevapour>dont want to be watching clips of prisonbreak tbh
19:56<marco__>you already used dd/shred/badblocks on it???
19:57<marco__>that fast?
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19:57<koollman>(of course they might get the data from your mind insteand. make sure to wear your tinfoil hat! ;) )
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19:57<bluevapour>im about to start now
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19:58<bluevapour>was backing it up
19:58<marco__>yeah, and access slashdot using encrypted tor, you know, so that the feds can't track you ;-)
19:58<bluevapour>going to start with mkfs?
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19:58<bluevapour>good idea or?
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19:59<marco__>do you want to wipe the drive? Or just reformat it?
19:59<bluevapour>once ive wiped it, ill reformat it?
19:59<bluevapour>which ever you guys thinks is best
19:59<marco__>do you think the mafiaa will crash your house's door and arrest you? if yes, do wipe
19:59<marco__>otherwise, reformating will do just fine
20:00<koollman>consider writing all other the disk, at an average speed of 30MB/s for the average usb2 external drive, means about 6 hours for 640GB
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20:01<koollman>of course, it would take just a bit less than two hours on an internal, fast disk. question is ... do you have that much time to waste ? :)
20:01<bluevapour>so reformatting will stop the problem of random clips
20:01<bluevapour>or where else should i look
20:01<marco__>it shouldn't be happening in the first place
20:02<marco__>tried different players?
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20:02<bluevapour>it only happened once in vlc
20:02<bluevapour>and hasnt happened since
20:02<bluevapour>but that worried me
20:02<marco__>it was probably some leftover frame
20:03<bluevapour>From days and days ago?
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20:04<marco__>Can't say. All I know is that if it catched it from the disk, VLC is simply not using any normal way to access the file
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20:05<bluevapour>guess ill take my chance
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20:05<marco__>but I don't understand VLC (who does?) or even how a basic video player works, so it's just amateuristic assumptions I'm making here
20:05<bluevapour>and if it happens again reformat
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20:06<marco__>it's not the file system, bluevapour. You really should wipe if you are that concerned though.
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20:07<bluevapour>i agree
20:07<bluevapour>ok heres how it happened
20:08<bluevapour>that same time kept showing prisonbreak in vlc
20:08<bluevapour>i closed vlc
20:08<bluevapour>and it was fine
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20:09<bluevapour>chmod: changing permissions of `./Painted Veil.avi': Read-only file system
20:10<bluevapour>wtf is happening all of a sudden
20:11<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:11<marco__>are you by any chance formatting or wiping a mounted filesystem?
20:11<marco__>it could cause every kind of weird error
20:12<bluevapour>Nope, i copied it, canceled it then decided to chmod some things
20:12<marco__>you're chmodding some things on your main drive, not the one you're formatting, right?
20:14<marco__>what was the command you used to format/wipe the ~600G drive?
20:14<bluevapour>basically, i was copying the external to the internal, you said it cant be the drive, so i canceled the copy, and now i basically cant do anything because its claiming file system read onlyu
20:14<marco__>right. try to unmount the external drive and mounting it again
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20:15<marco__>or, better, unmount and do a fsck.ext3 $dev
20:15<bluevapour>ok ill have a try
20:16<bluevapour>unmount command not found
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20:16<marco__>it's "umount"
20:16<bluevapour>My bad
20:18<bluevapour>i have no screens or processes running in top but drive is busy error
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20:19<marco__>it's not unmounting? try restarting the computer, and then disconnect the external drive
20:19<bluevapour>let me run fuser
20:19<marco__>or that ;-)
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20:19<bluevapour>ok ill restart brb
20:20<Solver>lsof can be better than fuser
20:21<marco__>Solver: are there definitive indicators to know what processes are using a certain mount point?
20:23<marco__>(just curious)
20:25<newsense>marco_, look at lsof
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20:27<marco__>hmmm, I just entered the root of a mount point with another terminal, but "lsof $mountpoint" returns nothing, as does fuser... Am I doing something wrong?
20:28<marco__>nevermind, I was running lsof as a normal user (and using the other terminal as root) :P
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20:35<bluevapour>right ok
20:35<bluevapour>seems i have read write again
20:35<marco__>is there a way to mount PTP cameras as mass storage devices using some kind of automount script?
20:35<marco__>bluevapour: how did the fscking went?
20:35<bluevapour>Sorry what command should i be executing marco?
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20:36<marco__>fsck.ext3 $dev
20:36<bluevapour>what will that do, check or erase?
20:36<marco__>with $dev unmounted
20:36<marco__>it will check for errors in the file system
20:38<bluevapour>ok its checking now
20:38<bluevapour>Inode 1064964 has illegal block(s). Clear<y>?
20:39<bluevapour>will this delete my data?
20:39<marco__>I'm not very knowledgeable at this, but I guess there's a risk for data loss
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20:39<marco__>but responding "no" will make your filesystem prone to more data loss the next time you use it, I think
20:40<bluevapour>Too many illegal blocks clear node, yes
20:40<marco__>I would respond "yes" to everything :-) Then check if there was any damage
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20:42<krlos_>hi peopl
20:42<krlos_>some one knos the bart martens nick
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20:45<abrotman>krlos_: why?
20:45<krlos_>he was sponsoring my packages.... :D
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20:45<krlos_>and I want to know him
20:45<krlos_>abrotman, dou you know him
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20:46<abrotman>i'm not sure he IRCs
20:47<krlos_>abrotman, thanks
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20:47<abrotman>krlos_: or if he does, rarely
20:48<krlos_>abrotman, but.. what is his nick
20:48<abrotman>bartm i think ..
20:48<krlos_>well.. i have just write him an email
20:48<krlos_>thanks abrotman
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20:52<marco__pizza>what a kind man :-)
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21:00<bluevapour>Marco, says now, file system was modified
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21:00<bluevapour>im hoping my stuff is still there
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21:01<marco__pizza>have a look. I think some files you mentioned back had some kind of checksum in it. It may be used to check file integrity
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21:02<Lustmord>Anybody have trouble getting sound to work on streaming videos?
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21:04<Lustmord>Or to elaborate, flash based streaming videos. It'll play sound when I have nothing else using my sound card
21:04<Lustmord>But if I have xmms up, no dice
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21:10<bluevapour>Right marco, it seemed to only delete one file
21:10<bluevapour>Pineapple Express, i can live with that
21:10<marco__pizza>Lustmord: I remember something about OSS only being able to bear one application at a time. But I don't think Debian uses OSS natively these days... It's certainly very weird.
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21:11<marco__pizza>bluevapour: yeah. Seth Rogen is overrated anyway ;-)
21:12<Lustmord>It was a headache and a half to get flashplayer installed. It wasn't a huge problem until flash hit a brick wall and crashed iceweasel as soon as I tried to leave the page
21:12<newsense>Lustmord, i had the same problem too
21:12<marco__pizza>let's make a club ;-)
21:12<newsense>i fixed it though luckily
21:14<newsense>i uninstalled the package than got the .gz from adobe than made a ~/.mozilla/plugins dir and copied the there
21:14<newsense>never crashes now
21:14<Lustmord>I'll have to try that out
21:14<newsense>have it installed that way on a few lenny boxes
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21:22<bluevapour>Guys what torrent clients do you both use
21:22<enouf>some use rtorrent
21:22<newsense>transmission is a nice gui
21:22<newsense>rtorrent is nice too
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21:23<bluevapour>Ive been useing rtorrent however im getting lots of problems
21:24<bluevapour>With the same torrent/firewall rules in utorrent im getting 400kb/s
21:24<bluevapour>In rtorrent with a properly config'd rtorrent.rc im getting around 20
21:24<newsense>my brother still asks me tot his day why his torrent clients wont work, i just cant open the amount of ports needed for an app of that nature
21:25<dondelelcaro>I've easily gotten > 4M/s with rtorrent...
21:25<newsense>dondelelcaro, theres no easy way to allow torrent clients through a firewall is there ?
21:26<dondelelcaro>newsense: in general, they should just work
21:26<newsense>dondelelcaro, ive tried allowing it through my iptables firewall but i notice each peer seems to be using its own socket
21:26<bluevapour>Well ill try again , but utorrent seems to connect me to others
21:26<bluevapour>whilst rtorrent makes me more of the server
21:26<bluevapour>meaning i cant accept incomming but utorrent makes outgoing
21:26<bluevapour>its a cli box tho
21:27<bluevapour>so no utorrent
21:27<newsense>dondelelcaro, i allowed the port defined in transmission outgoing permission and i allow by default related and established but every peer would be considered new connection rihgt ?
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21:27<newsense>ill ask in #iptables maybe later, not a big concern and not a debian issue really
21:27<dondelelcaro>newsense: well, you'd have to allow outgoing on the ports that it requires, but blocking outgoing connections on random ports shouldn't be a huge deal
21:28<newsense>dondelelcaro, im paranoid :)
21:28<sdljfhs0h0>hey. anyone have java installed. i ran a bin i downloaded from their site. it extracted the components of a newer version to a jre<version> directory, but i want these files installed on my system
21:29<sdljfhs0h0>i mean, in their appropriate location. not in a random folder in my homedir
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21:29<dondelelcaro>sdljfhs0h0: uh... you really should use the java that Debian has packaged.
21:29<sdljfhs0h0>why. it is out of date
21:29<sdljfhs0h0>rather, there is a newer version
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21:30<sdljfhs0h0>not good to update in this scenario?
21:30<dondelelcaro>sdljfhs0h0: newer version than what?
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21:31<dondelelcaro>we have sun java5 and java6 packaged; you can easily install either of them
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21:32<dondelelcaro>we're currently at update 10 of java6, and 1.5.0-16 of java5, but presumably update 11 of 6 will be packaged soon
21:33<sdljfhs0h0>this is what i get when i run 'java -version'
21:33<sdljfhs0h0>java version "1.5.0_14"
21:33<dondelelcaro>so you're running java5
21:33<sdljfhs0h0>ok. that's the only one i see returned from aptitude
21:33<sdljfhs0h0>*in etch repos
21:33<dondelelcaro>if you need java6, install sun-java6-jre et al
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21:34<sdljfhs0h0>isn't an option with aptitude. manual?
21:34<dondelelcaro>if you're running etch, add a entry to get java6
21:36<sdljfhs0h0>i have this entry in my sources.list 'deb etch-backports main contrib'
21:37<sdljfhs0h0>non-free maybe
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21:39<dondelelcaro>sdljfhs0h0: it's in nonfree. See et al
21:40<sdljfhs0h0>yeah. i'm updating now
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21:42<danielogrove>sabeis, si que se come los discos de los portatiles Ubuntu, pero se soluciona con un comando
21:42<sdljfhs0h0>found it. installing
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21:44<sdljfhs0h0>danielogrove: #debian-es
21:45<danielogrove>uuuuuuuu perdon!
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21:47<sdljfhs0h0>whavery frenchy
21:48<vinicius>hi! everytime i run any apt command mysqld stops and fails to start again... im sure that these commands have nothing to do with mysql packages
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21:57<marco__pizza>hurrah! it seems a kludgy mess called gphotofs can mount my kodak camera!
21:57<marco__pizza>the bad news is that it picks a device seemingly at random to mount, and the man page doesn't say how can I specify what device to mount!
21:57<marco__pizza>Isn't that absolutely ridiculous?
21:58<marco__pizza>it also doesn't interact with gnome-volume-manager (but then, what does?), making it all the more happy for me
21:59<marco__pizza>I want to explode.
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22:01<marco__pizza>does anyone has any experience mounting PTP cameras?
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22:02<marco__>fusermount and, unsurprisingly, gphotofs man pages are useless. I think I want to cry
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22:08<enouf>write a udev rule already ffs
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22:08<enouf>you were told much earlier
22:08<marco__>but gphotofs is not letting me choose what device to mount!
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22:09<marco__>man page only says "gphotofs [mountpoint]", and that's it
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22:09<marco__>it mounted a memory card, then the camera, seemingly at random
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22:10<marco__>sure I could use udev, but then how could I control which device it would mount?
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22:11<newsense>marco_, udev is not too hard to write rules for
22:12<newsense>i have no previous udev knowledge but i wrote somerules to change dev names symlinks and to mount and even backup different media
22:12<marco__>newsense: I see, the problem is, the program responsible for mounting the device _does not let me choose what device to mount_, how could I pass what device to mount (from udev) if it doesn't accept the source device as an argument?
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22:12<newsense>ive worked with sd cards and usb drives even used festival to announce events
22:13<newsense>marco_, first you need to get some rules to match against
22:13<newsense>such as serial or such to trigger or a rule to match against on a parent device
22:13<newsense>the man pages are a great resource or even better the docs
22:14<newsense>in /usr/share/doc/udev
22:14<marco__>newsense: but wouldn't that be pointless, seeing that when I finally get the device that was plugged in, gphotofs wouldn't accept it as an argument?
22:14<newsense>once ya figure out how to match against sysfs properties its easy
22:14<marco__>this stupid camera doesn't allow mounting as a mass storage device natively
22:15<newsense>marco_, are there seperate device nodes for partitions created or just one device node for the camera ?
22:15<marco__>It only uses something called "PTP". To mount as a filesystem I only found this program, gphotofs, but it doesn't allow me to specify a source device
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22:16<newsense>marko, when you insert it and run dpkg does the kernel give it a device node name in the output ?
22:16<newsense>err s/dpkg/dmesg
22:16*newsense is hungry and not thinking straight
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22:17<marco__>newsense: no. My card reader gets device nodes, my camera doesn't
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22:18<marco__>after mounting with the kludgy thing, I get "gphotofs on /root/mnt type fuse.gphotofs (rw,nosuid,nodev)"
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22:23<mike>i have a problem and was wondering if anyone could help, im trying to install flash and am extremely lost i installed it its in the .mozilla/plugins but still will not allow me to view flash videos
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22:24<newsense>mike, did ya restart your browser ?
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22:24<newsense>is it listed in plugins ?
22:24<mike>ive fully rebooted my comp hoping it would help but nothing lol
22:25<mike>hmm how would i check
22:25<newsense>in the browser prefs
22:25<newsense>err addons in icewesel
22:25<mike>no not there
22:26<newsense>ls ~/.mozilla/plugins
22:26<mike>yeah its in there
22:26<newsense>what browser ?
22:26<mike>lemme go check lol
22:27<mike>umm doesnt say ?
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22:27<mike>says firefox
22:27<mike>but i dont think i have firefox this is a fresh install
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22:30<mike>lol extremely confused here i mean ive run ubuntu which from what i can see isnt far off from this i mean the desktop enviroment is even the same lol just switched form windows ( because it blows) and im kind of a newb but i can get around and im not afraid to learn
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22:36<mike>well guys ill try else where thats for the help
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22:38<marco__>newsense: sorry for my behaviour back then, I know you were trying to help me.
22:38<newsense>marco_, no worries :)
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22:39<abrotman>newsense: stop being so mean!
22:39<newsense>im very nice i think anyways :)
22:40<newsense>i sometimes go too far with my helpfulness
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22:45*newsense finally got around to setting up systray email notification, dont know ive lived without it for so long
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22:48<newsense>yeah i dont use it at all besides for mailing alerts and stuff
22:49<newsense>so its somewhat useful to monitor if youre gonna use it
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22:51<marco__>hmmm, it seems that "gphoto2" could solve my problem... It's surprisingly well documented for a program starting with a "g" :P
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23:10<aetheria>on new debian installs /etc/hosts has a line and a line. Is this a bug? Shouldn' there just be
23:11<abrotman>both are possible
23:11<aetheria>i guess so, since its a subnet
23:11<aetheria>but there is no iface
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23:13<aetheria>why would it put an entry in hosts corresponding to a non-existant iface?
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23:14<stew>aetheria: lo will respond to all of
23:14<marco__>aetheria: hmmm. pinging 127.*.*.* seem to ping the localhost
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23:15<marco__>why would it put specifically is beyond me, though
23:15<stew>aetheria: what you are seeing is the typical way to set things up
23:16<aetheria>what does "Scope:Host" mean?
23:16<aetheria>i notice other ifaces have "Scope:Link"
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23:19<aetheria>slackware's host file says "
23:19<aetheria># should NEVER be named with the name of the machine. It causes problem for some (stupid) programs, irc and reputedly talk."
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23:21<aetheria>thank u stew
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23:22<zfoo>hm, I set up a chroot with debootstrap and I am in it, but how can I add a user so when they log in they start in the chroot?
23:24<aetheria>zfoo: just a guess: maybe changing the user's login shell setting in passwd?
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23:25<zfoo>hmm, let me try that. I think I did that for the old shell too. /me tries
23:25<stew>zfoo: how is the user going to login? via console? ssh? something else?
23:25<zfoo>stew: ssh, good question :)
23:26<stew>zfoo: what version of openssh-server is installed?
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23:26<zfoo>openssh-server 4.3p2-9etch3
23:26<stew>zfoo: ok, nevermind. openssh-server in lenny has a ChrootDirectory config setting
23:26<zfoo>ohh, nice
23:27<stew>though it still wouldn't necessarily be so easy, you'd have to have a different sshd for the chrooted users
23:28<stew>but you could also run an sshd inside the chroot that listened on a different port
23:28<aetheria>wow you can do that? i didn't think a chroot was actually "running" - that you could actually have daemons running in it?
23:29<aetheria>i thought it just sort of emulated a running system when you are chrooted into it
23:29<stew>you can start daemons just like you can start other programs in the chroot
23:29<stroyan>zfoo: looks helpful.
23:29<aetheria>wait - i guess that makes sense though, since you can run stuff in them
23:30<stew>some debian daemons come configured to run from a chroot by default, like postfix
23:32<aetheria>what happens if you run "top" in a chroot?
23:33<stroyan>top depends on /proc. That may or may not be mounted under the chroot. Without /proc top is busted.
23:33<stew>with /proc top runs normally
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23:37<zfoo>Hm, top is the same in debian and in the chroot.
23:37<zfoo>eh, I didn't want that, I thought it'd be separate. /me scratches head
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23:39<stroyan>zfoo: It sounds like you are expecting a full virtual machine like kvm or qemu. That is kind of heavy weight.
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23:40<aetheria>it would be cool to have some really minimal, stripped down OS similar to an embedded system that you run in dedicated VMs to allocate to different processes
23:40<aetheria>like maybe some ARM-based embedded system that you could run daemons in
23:40<aetheria>that use like 128K of RAM or whatever
23:40<zfoo>stroyan: Somewhat, yeah. gah, I had that in a chroot but I removed it because I couldn't get screen to work.
23:40<zfoo>I thought this would be the same, but I guess not
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23:42<stroyan>zfoo: Another option would be ssh into "User mode linux". I haven't tried that.
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23:43<zfoo>I am familiar with that, but I think I may revert to the chroot I had... which had absolutely nothing available to the user aside from vim, ssh, and scree
23:44<aetheria>shoot. i'm already running inside a VM. i don't think the host emulation provides for VT support
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23:53<ryanc_>Good $TIME_OF_DAY. I'n Running debian etch, and I was wondering what I need to do to ensure that my initramfs includes a usb storage driver. I'm booting off a RAID that includes a flash drive, and the flash drive keeps getting kicked out of the array when I reboot.
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23:56<aetheria>ryanc_: add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run mkinitramfs? just a guess...
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