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---Logopened Tue Jan 06 00:00:51 2009
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00:01<ryanc_>aetherea: update-initramfs says it's not responsbile for my initrd files
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00:04<reisio>does Debian have any source code packages that DPKG (et al.) install, similar to Gentoo+Portage?
00:04<reisio>or are they just source packages for easy download, to install manually?
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00:05<aetheria>reisio: you can apt-get source <package> to get the full debian source
00:05<reisio>aetheria: right, but then what can you do with it?
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00:05<reisio>just config and make manually?
00:05<aetheria>reisio: also apt-get build-dep <package> to get all the build reqs
00:05<reisio>or can you actually build with dpkg/apt?
00:05<aetheria>reisio: like a normal package: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
00:06<reisio>so it and portage can do the same thing?
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00:06<ryanc_>Okay, well I unpacked the cpio initrd and the USB storage modules are there
00:06<aetheria>reisio: i don't know portage, but the debian system works excellent. sometimes i need to change configure flags to an app and rename it
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00:07<aetheria>or change it to my own custom version # so it doesn't get overwritten on upgrade
00:07<reisio>aetheria: okay I know I'm sort of repeating myself, but I just want to be clear :p :
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00:07<reisio>aetheria: for some packages you can install a precompiled binary, or you can have the package manager build from source, with approximately the same end result?
00:07<reisio>(if you wanted to)
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00:08<reisio>obviously you probably wouldn't want the same end result with source
00:08<aetheria>reisio: you can manually do that with apt-get source, dpkg-buildpackage
00:08<aetheria>there used to be a thing called apt-build but i think its mostly deprecated
00:08<reisio>dpkg-buildpackage does all the make/config'ing?
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00:08<aetheria>reisio: it sure does
00:09<reisio>aetheria: cool, thanks a bunch
00:09<aetheria>reisio: most of that is in the debian/rules file btw. you can see the make/configure flags in there
00:09<aetheria>reisio: as i said, i usually alter the version info so that it won't automatically get upgraded during system upgrades
00:09<reisio>no drawbacks that you know of?
00:10<aetheria>reisio: none whatsoever. and for the version # just edit debian/changelog
00:10<reisio>that's pretty neat
00:10<aetheria>e.g. change openbox (3.2) to something like openbox (3.2-infrablue-1)
00:10<reisio>right right
00:10<reisio>important stuff like that :D
00:11<aetheria>you can even set up your own trivial apt repo and add it to your sources.list
00:11<reisio>cool, alright thanks again; was a gap in my knowledge
00:11<reisio>adios :)
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00:55<mike>he im having an extremely hard time installing flash can anyone help me out?
01:01<marco__>I can try...
01:01<marco__>I actually installed flash by downloading an alpha from adobe's website (I'm using debian lenny AMD64)
01:01<craigevil>either use gnash or > flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla (
01:02<marco__>craigevil knows more than me, so I would follow his advice first :-)
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01:05<craigevil>if you want to use the adobe flash 10 64, extract it then put the plugin in ~./mozilla/plugins you will have to create the plugins dir, although flashplayer-mozilla should work just as easy
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01:06<craigevil>mike: take a look at if you have any problems
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01:07<marco__>yay! I could finally do a script with gphoto2 that suits my needs!
01:07*marco__ is proud
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01:09<marco__>instead of learning udev, I just made my script poll for devices every five seconds... which is damn ugly but it will work until I get my ass on udev
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01:10<mike>i used some thing i found online lol im gonna see if it works if it didnt ill gladly take a look
01:11<mike>ok it worked now to try java =D
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01:16<zyqqh>i think i just seriously broke something when trying to dist-upgrade an old sarge box straight to lenny. a bunch of random errors and a couple of apt-get -f install attempts later, and it seems to be stuck on some dependency when trying to upgrade reportbug from 3.8 to 3.48, which demands python2.4 (and python refuses to get upgraded from 2.3). anyone have pointers on where to look for a fix?
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01:17<jm_>read release notes for etch, upgrade to etch, upgrade to lenny
01:18<zyqqh>err... given that a fair number of packages already got upgraded to lenny, is there an easy way to roll that back?
01:19<mike>hey can anyone here help me wiht my resolution
01:19<mike>lol it seems i picked the wrong one for my monitor is there anyway for me to rechoose to make it bigger?
01:20<jm_>picked wrong what?
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01:56<phuein>help :S I come from Fedora... and I just installed latest Debian stable on my pc (4), but I'm totally lost, and my wifi doesn't work :S And I can barely figure out how to update the system into unstable so I can use kde 4 :S The package manager is so alien to me.
01:57<phuein>my wifi is a ralink sweex usb device that worked without any work at all under Fedora
01:58<craigevil>phuein: msg dpkg ralink
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01:59<jm_>perhaps you should read newbie docs too
02:00<craigevil>and kde4 isn't in unstable, you either have to use experimental and pray a lot or you can ask in #debian-kde
02:01<phuein>o-o craigevil, that doesnt help :S Is there no kernel update to unstable for this? The newest kernels should support this chipset for sure
02:01<phuein>to use testing and unstable package, what do I add to the KPackage?
02:01<craigevil>you dont need a new kernel just the module
02:01<jm_>!tell phuein -about rt2x00
02:02*DaRtH_VaDeR is away...
02:02<phuein>I want the latest kernel, even if unstable. Its what I enjoyed in fedora after all :D
02:02<phuein>How do I do that?
02:03<craigevil>the kernel in testing and sid is the same
02:03<gsimmons>phuein: You will also need to install firmware if your device is RT73-based. /msg dpkg rt73
02:03<phuein>gsimmons: the latest kernels works with my chipset, no doubt. Tested.
02:04<phuein>craigevil: how do I use the package manager to get all the none-stable packages? I'm lost with that
02:04<jm_>in that case you should *not* use unstable
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02:05<phuein>I feel like my apt is missing repositories o-o or something
02:05<phuein>I thank you guys for the advice, but all the unstable software have worked excellent for me up to today. I insist on using it. Can I get even a link or anything to understand how I can get the packages I need?
02:06<craigevil>!tell phuein -about grounding
02:07<phuein>But I only need very specific assistance o-o I generally know how things work. I just can't locate that specific part of adding none stable packages to my options.
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02:14<phuein>I'm following the references, but I'm still having trouble understanding exactly what I add to the list file :S
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02:21<phuein>Isn't there a clear list of repositories I can add to my apt list?
02:21<sepski>phuein, pick the closest to you from the mirror list.
02:21<dpkg>hmm... debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
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02:23<jm_>heck, even the installer asked you about it
02:24<sheldonh>the people at tenable haven't answered my question about evaluating their professional feed for a day now, so screw 'em
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02:24<phuein>I found a mirror - but I cant find the correct "deb etc" line to put for it :S It's not clear
02:25<sheldonh>i'll just write my own. i know i can get a feed of DSAs from where would i get a list of older DSAs in XML format?
02:26<jm_>sheldonh: how about simply getting it from debian-security-announce mailing list archives?
02:26<jm_>(not in XML, but ...)
02:27<sheldonh>jm_: as long as it's machine-parsable, i'll be fine. i just want a database that maps disclosed vulnerabilities to package versions. already got the part where hosts send us their version inventory waxed
02:27<jm_>sheldonh: you can get it using standard mailing list requests, i.e. diggest etc.
02:27<sheldonh>hmmm, point
02:28<jm_>not that parsing mails is trivial, especially with MIME
02:29<sheldonh>i'm using ruby, so a lot of things like that go away with a line or two of code :)
02:29<averule>hi to all, i ahve created amd64 iso using lenny pool but at time of installation i am getting error as kernel panic:not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs
02:30<sheldonh>i think i should take a closer look at how debsecan works and crib that approach to scraping vulns
02:30<dpkg>Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader
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02:31<phuein>Am I in the wrong channel to ask for user support? o-o maybe more into the direction of noob help?
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02:31<jm_>phuein: no, it's just that no-one will help you use unstable with such basic questions
02:31<averule>jm_:but tis steps are for installed os..i am taliking about install cd what i created
02:31<gsimmons>sheldonh: (re old DSAs) You could parse the list available at svn://
02:32<jm_>averule: yes, but it lists the reason why it fails -- i.e. something went wrong with your kernel installation, see above
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02:42<phuein>by not helping me understand the packaging system, and updating into unstable or testing, I'm just getting a more backwards image of Debian o-o
02:43<phuein>Adding repositories in Fedora was automatic and simple as hell. From step 1. I can't even find a single proper guide here.
02:43<jm_>oh yeah, we've heard that all before
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02:44<biohazard>mkdir [-o]
02:44<biohazard>cd [-o]
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02:44<biohazard>How's FedoraCOre?
02:46<phuein>I'm not making a comparison for fun here... I'm saying that it's hard for a user from a different distro to get how apt with deb works. Needing to edit a text file with random distro lines from random websites is hardly friendly. And I havent seen many examples so far.
02:46<phuein>I'm now just copying code from the forums because no one here is willing to help o-o that's ridiculous
02:47<jm_>right, random websites listed on the web page, and random lines not documented in the man page
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02:48<phuein>Without any proper examples so I can actually understand what im looking for
02:48<jm_>uhuh, just 10 examples in the man page
02:49<craigevil>phuein: go READ> The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at, or . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual, and the APT Howto
02:50<phuein>I already went through it. I got stuck at adding the apropriate line for my mirror in the list file.
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02:52<phuein>I'm just going through pages in the Ref', and not finding what I need. How to take that mirror site I have, and add the appropriate lines into the sources.list file.
02:52<craigevil>you also might want to take a look at, you don't understand how to edit your sources.list and your wanting to use unstable stick with stable until you know how things work
02:52<dutchy>phuein: the line should look somethign like this:
02:52<dutchy>deb lenny main non-free contrib
02:54<phuein>and that's what I did, but it keep giving me errors that folders don't exist
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02:54<dutchy>the reason nobody is helping directly is you don't specify which mirror you are trying to use.
02:54<craigevil>pastebin your sources.list
02:54<phuein>i just added the "deb sid main contrib non-free
02:54<phuein>deb testing main contrib non-free
02:54<phuein>deb stable main contrib non-free
02:55<craigevil>dutchy: no the reason no one is helping is he hasn't a clue what he's doing and he wants to try to run unstable
02:55<phuein>I just added dutchy's line for example, and it gave me error. From a working list.
02:55<dutchy>don't mix the repos like that for one.
02:55<phuein>linux is all about trying :P
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02:56<craigevil>unstable is for devs and people that know wtf they are doing, you want bleeding edge run ubuntu, fedora or sidux
02:56<dutchy>not to me, linux is about working and getting the computer to do what I want it to do instead of what someone else thinks it should do.
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02:57<phuein>what's the difference between using testing/unstable here, and the bleeding edge distros?
02:57<dutchy>the people that help keep them stable for one.
02:58<craigevil>debian is all about stable, you will get very little support for unstable
02:58<dutchy>debian sid (unstable) is designed to be that way, if you don't know what you're doing, stay away from it.
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03:00<phuein>lol interesting side craig
03:00<phuein>and the word is that only sid supports kde 4 atm, right? testing not at all
03:00<jm_>no, it's only in experimental
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03:02<jm_>so even if you upgrade to unstable, you won't have and you'll be stuck with a very similar question - how do I use packages from experimental? and guess what, there will be even less people willing to help you use that
03:02<jm_>won't have it*
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03:04<phuein>So eventually I can come to the conclusion that the Debian people go into extreme depths of making things "stable", while losing a lot of current changes and a wider range of support for different people :S
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03:04<craigevil>debian is easy its just not bleeding edge
03:04<phuein>While so far the bleeding edge people are enjoying quite rather "stable" distro's, even from my own experience o-o What's the difference?
03:05<jm_>yeah no doubt server admins are happy to upgrade it all every 6 months
03:05<sheldonh>gsimmons: tasty, thanks (re DSA repo)
03:05<gsimmons>sheldonh: np
03:06<craigevil>phuein: my suggestion for you would be to install sidux, if you want debian unstable then use to upgrade to kde4.2
03:07<phuein>so Debian, just for the sake of not doing it, avoids anything too new?
03:08<jm_>ehh no, unstable gets plenty of new stuff
03:09<craigevil>yep i had 40 updates just today
03:10<phuein>So right now I'm just stuck at the package managing problem :S I'm adding appropriate lines as far as I understand. I couldn't understand anything further.
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03:11<jm_>are you even aware you need to run apt* update after changing sources.list?
03:11<phuein>I am jm
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03:11<phuein>That's what's giving me the errors obviously
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03:12<craigevil>phuein: do this cat /etc/issue
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03:12<phuein>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
03:12<phuein>how come my freshly installed Deb' stable doesn't come with a sources.list file that's filled with at least the stable repo's :S that's so odd
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03:13<craigevil>ok you have etch, it would probably be easier for you to install Lenny/testing then add unstable sources and do apt-get dist-upgrade
03:13<jm_>perhaps because you didn't have networking available when you installed it
03:13<phuein>jm_: because my wifi isnt supported
03:13<jm_>phuein: it is supported
03:13<phuein>jm_: even though it is on newer kernels
03:13<dutchy>normally the installer asks which mirror to use.
03:14<jm_>phuein: stable has 2.6.24 kernel which should support it IIRC
03:14<phuein>dutchy: dont know anything about mirrors
03:14<sheldonh>gsimmons: package versions in DSA/list are _fixed_ versions, yeah?
03:14<phuein>jm_: kernels from long ago in Fedora, same linux kernels, were working this wifi dongle easily.
03:14<jm_>phuein: yes, the same thing in Debian
03:14<phuein>jm_: but it isnt in debian.
03:15<jm_>phuein: I just told you it is
03:15<phuein>jm_: but its not working. its as simple as that.
03:15<sheldonh>gsimmons: also, i think they're source packages, so i need to find installed packages whose source package is foo
03:15<jm_>phuein: that would be because you're using too old kernel
03:15<sheldonh>gsimmons: and then compare their version against the fixed version given in DSA/list, and complain if it's lower
03:15<phuein>jm_: if its not working - then it isnt supported. and obviously the less stable releases are using newer kernels.
03:15<dutchy>phuein: you're just going to end up with a broken system the way you're mixing things, listen to craigevil, if you want debian unstable, then you have 3 options, all of which require reading a bit: 1) install sidux 2) install debian testing then dist-uprade it 3) use debian businesscard iso and choose expert install.
03:17<phuein>I originally tried installing the weekly update version - which the installer didnt even work for me :S died in the middle
03:18<phuein>whoa sidux is looking like a great answer for me so far :D
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03:19<phuein>So sidux is just a comfortable way of install sid from scratch?
03:20<jm_>we don't support sidux here :)
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03:20<jm_>!tell phuein about sidux
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03:21<petter>hola a todos
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03:23<sheldonh>python's zlib is the same compression scheme as the one gzip uses, right? the debsecan source passes the GENERIC secure-testing data to python's zlib.decompress(), but i downloaded the file with wget and gzip doesn't recognize it (file(1) says "data")
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03:25<petter>.c3p0 addMD5 hash MD5
03:25<phuein>ahh d/c
03:25<phuein>seems like sidux will do. Thanks for all the help guys :D
03:25<phuein>sorry for being a noob
03:25<sheldonh>everyone's a noob at most things :)
03:26<petter>not speaking english
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03:26<petter>are you from venezuela
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03:27<dpkg>Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader
03:29<jm_>averule: you can also use /msg dpkg foo
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03:29<gsimmons>sheldonh: That's right, fixed versions of source packages are listed. For your interest, Lenny's aptitude has source-package and source-version search patterns available.
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03:30<sheldonh>gsimmons: nice, thanks
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03:31<averule>jm_, i have tested mini.iso of debian installer what i compiled it is working then why not same kernel with install cd working?
03:32<jm_>averule: you need to explain your problem in more details - when does it occur?
03:32<Ivru>I got some problems using logger command. I'm not sure this is a bug, but when I log long messages, logger truncate it (UDP limitation). The problem is that logger replace some part of the log by the syslog header
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03:33<averule>jm_ after i have selected AMD64 install in starting phase it self error is coming
03:33<jm_>averule: so when booting from the CD?
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03:34<averule>jm_,yes booting from cd, when kernel message came as List of all pertitions
03:35<averule>No filesystem could not mount root,tried:
03:35<averule>kernel panic
03:35<jm_>Ivru: logger should use pf_unix socket, not UDP
03:36<Ivru>jm_ okay but there is still length limitation. Logger should truncate my message and not replace the begining by the syslog header
03:37<jm_>averule: then there is a problem with initrd specified or so
03:37<jm_>Ivru: how long does it have to be to trigger it?
03:38<Ivru>you mean the length before it's get truncate ?
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03:39<jm_>the one that shows the problem
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03:43<Ivru>as you can see, the part "g. Hello this is the second " is missing. 31 char, the same length as the syslog header
03:43<Ivru>about 30
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03:51<Ivru>jm_ do you think it's a bug ?
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03:52<jm_>Ivru: well it limits it to its internal buffer size
03:53<Ivru>okay but why replacing the message with the syslog header
03:53<jm_>Ivru: where do you see that?
03:53<jm_>I don't see it there
03:54<Ivru>the part "g. Hello this is the second" is missign
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03:57<jm_>Ivru: ahh it sends it, but it seems to be too long for syslogd which discards the end part of the first message
03:58<Ivru>yes and replace it with its header
03:58<jm_>no, it just discards it
03:59<Ivru>nope, the second log of syslog is the remain of the message
04:00<jm_>here's how it works - logger sends two messages using syslog() - first one is too long and the trailing part is discarded (the text you don't see logged), 2nd one is short enough
04:00<jm_>I'll be back in 15 minutes
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04:01<io_>ciao a tutti
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04:01<io_>cercavo il canale di aiuto ubuntu it
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04:18<jm_>Ivru: not sure where the bug is, but the message that is sent exceeds limit of 1024 characters and hence gets cut off - either in the logger or in glibc
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04:25<Ivru>jm_ the message is cutt of okay. But why is there 28 char missing
04:25<Ivru>this 28 char should be repport in the second log
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04:27<jm_>Ivru: you didn't read what I told you 27 minutes ago
04:28<Ivru>I've read but why does logger cut my log at 1024 if it can only use 998 char
04:29<Ivru>(because of syslog header)
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04:30<jm_>yes, the whole message is limited to 1024 bytes, the things like priority, name etc. also take space
04:30<jm_>so in reality you can use less for the message
04:31<Ivru>it's stupid...
04:31<jm_>no, that's how protocol was declared
04:31<Ivru>the missing part of my message is lost forever then
04:32<Ivru>Is there a way I can change this behavior ?
04:32<simonrvn>trim your message down, or bisect it
04:33<jm_>or decrease logger's buffer size
04:34<Ivru>jm_ do you know how to do it ?
04:34<jm_>Ivru: yes
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04:35<simonrvn>that would work too
04:37<sheldonh>as a customer, i would be offended to find that i'd paid for software that logged such large messages via syslog
04:37<jm_>yeah normally you'd want shorter messages
04:37<Ivru>This is not mine
04:38<Ivru>anyway, how can i do to decrease the log size jm_ ?
04:38<jm_>Ivru: which package is your logger from?
04:38<Ivru>I think
04:39<sheldonh>eh? last time i looked, bsd syslog didnt' have a max message length? can you use tcp?
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04:40<jm_>so: apt-get source bsdutils , then cd into the dir it created, edit misc-utils/logger.c, change buf[1024] to buf[990], add changelog entry for your change using dch (I'd change version too), rebuild package, install it
04:40<jm_>sheldonh: check RFC for BSD syslog then
04:41<Ivru>ok thanks
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04:46<sheldonh>jm_: erm, bsd syslog has an rfc? :)
04:46<sheldonh>jm_: i'm speaking from experience of freebsd that's almost 6 years old now (and i may have been wrong back then) :)
04:47<jm_>sheldonh: indeed
04:47<jm_>RFC 3164 - The BSD Syslog Protocol
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04:48<sheldonh>jm_: shot, thanks
04:49<sheldonh>jm_: bang, headshot. the rfc mandates udp. wherever i saw tcp syslog, it wasn't standard
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05:07<dpkg>[qotd111] <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router
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05:14<ubuntoil>Hi, I just installed kile and texlive2008, how can I be sure that kile is using texlive2008 and not the texlive base coming from its depedencies?
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05:18<themill>ubuntoil: in the "output" window, it says something like "This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)" when you compile something.
05:19<themill>just compare the versions.
05:21<ubuntoil>themill: well, actually, I think this is not good...gimme a sec I pastebin
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05:21<themill>ubuntoil: (btw, should you be asking these questions in #ubuntu on rather than in #debian?)
05:23<ubuntoil>I'm using debian lenny...
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05:23<ubuntoil>in fact no need to pastebin, kile is looking /usr/local/bin/latex and my texlive is /usr/local/texlive/2008/
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05:24<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
05:24<ubuntoil>but I should never forget I come from ubuntu and discovered linux with ubuntu...
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05:25<lancelot_of>i'd like to know how gnome-power-manager estimates battery discharge/charge i should need gpm scripts but i dunno where they're..any suggestions?
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05:26<themill>ubuntoil: kile shouldn't be looking in /usr/local/bin by default at all
05:26<jm_>lancelot_of: which gpm scripts?
05:27<jm_>ohh gnome-power-manager?
05:27<lancelot_of>jm_, yes
05:27<lancelot_of>jm_, ;)
05:27<ubuntoil>themill: yeah but
05:28<enouf>lancelot_of: /msg dpkg gnome ?
05:28<jm_>lancelot_of: I don't think it uses any scripts
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05:29<themill>ubuntoil: You can specify the exact path to latex in the kile settings, Tools ->Build -> Latex. But I suspect that you will also need to point texmf to the right place too or it will use the wrong packages.
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05:29<lancelot_of>jm_, it estimates battery discharge time...some calcolus is necessary..
05:29<lancelot_of>enouf, from shell or here in xchat?
05:30<ubuntoil>themill: I think I have to add (modify) the PATH variable in order to "point" on the right latex version...
05:30<jm_>lancelot_of: well for that it only needs to store previous values
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05:31<themill>ubuntoil: you'd also need to change TEXMF too. Or is it TEXINPUTS. Really... this stuff is not normally worth playing with. Is there anything in texlive 2008 that you really need?
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05:32<lancelot_of>jm_, ok, but which is the scripts executing the calculus? with which algorithm?
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05:33<ubuntoil>themill: not really, just wanted to try the very laast one
05:33<mike>can anyone help me get my usb cound card working?
05:33<jm_>lancelot_of: to be honest, I have no idea - did you try running gnome-power-statistics ?
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05:34<lancelot_of>jm_, sorry i felt down
05:34<jm_>lancelot_of: to be honest, I have no idea - did you try running gnome-power-statistics ?
05:34<themill>ubuntoil: well in that case, I'd definitely say don't bother. There's only one bug in pdflatex in lenny that's annoyed me at all and I have one .sty file updated in my local texmf over the ones in lenny (or etch for that matter). LaTeX isn't a fast changing piece of software so there's not usually much point in trying the latest and greatest.
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05:35<ubuntoil>themill: so I should deinstall and reinstall with aptitude ?
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05:37<themill>ubuntoil: you probably already have the debian package installed (kile would require it). Do make sure you've got texlive not tetex installed though (and you might want some of the -recommended etc packages too)
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05:38<ubuntoil>themill: alright
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05:39<icerider>Failed to fetch MD5Sum mismatch
05:39<icerider>what can i do?
05:41<OdyX>icerider: try to change mirror first
05:41<icerider>where can i find other mirror?
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05:42<OdyX>md5sum mismatch could either indicate a transfer error between Debian and the mirror or malicious manipulation
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05:43<themill>or a local proxy making a mess of things
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05:47<Nirgal>Hi All! I "lost" my keyboard under X since yesterday. I'm using testing. Keyboard works fine with text console. I can't find any unusual line on the logs. Did anyone here had the same problem?
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05:50<jm_>Nirgal: some people had odd keyboard issues with KDE IIRC
05:50<jm_>lost key repeat or somesuch
05:50<gardier>Is this since recent updates or something?
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05:53<Nirgal> do updates regularly. I've been out of office for 10 days, so there was a lot of them yesterday. The keyboard failed about 6 hours after the updates! It's weird...
05:54<jm_>verify if xev registers events
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05:55<enouf>Nirgal: ensure it's still plugged in properly? do the LEDs work? {numlock, scrolllock}
05:56<enouf>Nirgal: hrm, restart your X session, and grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log (see (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input// ?)
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05:59<Nirgal>It works on the console. The LED do works under X, so does Ctrl+Alt+F1 sequence, and Ctrl+F5 for contrast for exemple. But no simple letter, no arrow, no "enter" key...
05:59<jm_>like I said, start with xev
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06:01<amol>jm_, for make images step while creating install cd i am getting error as /usr/share/debian-cd/tools/make_image: line 46: 23419 Segmentation fault
06:01<jm_>amol: check what's in line 46
06:03<enouf>Nirgal: cat /proc/version
06:05<amol>jm_:how to make disable jigdo in
06:05<amol>i want to create only iso image
06:06<And1>What calculator is this: ?
06:06<jm_>amol: hmm no idea, but I thought one needs jigdo for that
06:08<jm_>amol: why are you creating your own images anyway?
06:09<amol>jm_: for learning
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06:19<metheocrite>can someone reminds me how to display symbols in a bin file ? I can't remember the name (i'm almost sure it's a 2 or 3 letters binary)
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06:19<jm_>so yes, someone can
06:19<enouf>symbols? objdump? readelf? strings?
06:20<amol>jm_: it got solved by uncommenting export MAXJIGDOS=0
06:20<metheocrite>jm_: thanks that's the one.
06:20<enouf>i use xxd as a hexviewer/editor of sorts, that's 3 letters
06:20<metheocrite>enouf: yeah I was also looking for objdump cause I knew it would be in see also in the man, but too late :)
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06:21<amol>jm_:but i have checked created .iso with mount -o loop ...there is nothing in install folder
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06:21<amol>install.amd has vmlinuz and initrd
06:21<enouf>metheocrite: just heard of nm 1st time ;-) thanks jm_ (thought you were saying nevermind to someone :-p)
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06:23<amol>jm_ : how to make link while creating iso ..install folder to install.amd
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06:47<vkumaar>Hi all, Do u know any snmp walk or debian
06:48<vkumaar>Hi all, Do u know any snmp walk for debian
06:49<koollman>vkumaar: as in, the one in the snmp package ?
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06:53<koollman>someone should add apt-file to the default install and make sure folks know about it ...
06:53<And1>How do I change my hostname? Or better, what's the best way to do this?
06:53<jm_>or maybe auto-apt ;)
06:53<petemc>not everyone needs it
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07:03<themill>dpkg, greet halcyforn
07:03<dpkg>Hi there, halcyforn
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07:04<halcyforn>hmm i have probkem. what debian distribution can run on phenom X4 9850 ?
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07:05<halcyforn>for thic www?
07:05<halcyforn>what link?
07:06<jm_>i386 for 32bit, amd64 for 64bit, up to you
07:06<halcyforn>hmm maybe 64 bit work
07:06<halcyforn>ubuntu 64 bit dont work
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07:08<petern>it doesn't?
07:08<petern>hmm, the installer didn't for me, actually
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07:24<icerider>i think the patch-o-matic project is stoped... anybody knows another alternative for CONNLIMIT and IPP2P patch?
07:26<jm_>icerider: l7 classifier has p2p matcher
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07:29<icerider>and for CONNLIMIT?
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07:29<jm_>I am not familiar with that
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07:31<hjb>Is the highlighting of search results in 'less' buggy?
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07:31<hjb>I'm observing wrong behaviour under lenny
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07:32<petemc>hjb: how so?
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07:34<hjb>petemc found it as bug #459278
07:34<hjb>petemc it's one year old :-/
07:35<tuxcrafter>does somebody knows how to get mpd.conf working with bluetooth speakers my users .asoundrc is
07:37<apostle>Is there a linux utility to convert a pdf document to open office?
07:38<jackyf>apostle: unoconv?
07:38<apostle>jackyf, unoconf?
07:38<jackyf>no, unoconv
07:38<jackyf>search it with apt-cache
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07:39<apostle>jackyf, got it :)
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07:44<tuxcrafter>btwm gmpc does not run under debian sid: 06/01/09 13:43:30: ERROR: main.c main():#485: Trying to run gmpc compiled against libmpd version '0.16.95' with version libmpd '0.17.0'
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07:44<themill>welcome to sid
07:46<themill>judd versions libmpd0
07:46<judd>themill: libmpd0 -- etch: 0.12.0-2 lenny: 0.15.0-3 sid: 0.17.0-1
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07:47<themill>tuxcrafter: what version of the gmpc package do you have?
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07:49<themill>!btssmite tuxcrafter
07:49*dpkg beats tuxcrafter around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if tuxcrafter is running Unstable
07:50<tuxcrafter>themill: gmpc_0.17.0-1_i386.deb
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07:50<themill>tuxcrafter: which is an out of date package with a known bug. Namely, the bug you are complaining about.
07:50<tuxcrafter>i seem to have a issue with gnome people so i stoped doing bugreports for them
07:51<tuxcrafter>updating my package then
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07:52<tuxcrafter>apt-get install -t experimental gmpc seems to have the latest package ..
07:52<enouf>themill_: and you thought sid was bad :-P
07:53<tuxcrafter>or not
07:53<tuxcrafter>updating package
07:53<tuxcrafter>changelog tells the story
07:54<tuxcrafter>it is running now
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07:54<tuxcrafter>sort of i cant get my bluetooth audio systems to work witn mpc
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08:03<sheldonh>where can i find an explanation of what's in GENERIC, etch, sid etc. at ttp://
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08:13<dmr>Hello. I have reported a bug issue in this URL:, but unfortunatelly I got no answer until now. Can you help me with question ?
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08:16<jm_>dmr: for Sarge?
08:17<dmr>Yes, it´s Sarge
08:17<jm_>sarge is no longer supported
08:17<themill>dmr: sarge isn't "stable" any more. And sarge is no longer supported.
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08:18<themill>dmr: the machine you ran reportbug on is running etch, however.
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08:19<dmr>Oh,´s etch indeed.
08:19<dmr>R6 version
08:19<jm_>backport the package yourself
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08:21<Gromitt>Anyone using kde4 from experimantel and having problems playing a whole playlist in amarok? I saw, that amarok has problems playing randomly some tracks automaticly but after press the playbuttons, after it stops, it plays this track and stops at the following track.
08:21*Gromitt is using kde4 from experimantel in sid.
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08:22<themill>jm_: is backporting apr feasible? you'd need to rebuild apache I guess... sounds horrid
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08:23<jm_>themill: either that or fool it with a preloadable lib that opens urandom when it requests random
08:23<sheldonh>the way i read debsecan's code, other_versions are _vulnerable_, while unstable_version is fixed. can someone confirm?
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08:24<themill>jm_: just replacing htpasswd with some other utility... it's a pretty trivial thing.
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08:25<jm_>themill: sure, like chpasswd
08:25<jm_>uhm mkpasswd
08:25<dmr>Ok, thanks for advices. I´ll look for chpasswd and others solutions.
08:25<tuxcrafter>themill: thanks for the help i made a little mistake while checking for updates on the gmpc package thanks for correcting me
08:25<jm_>dmr: mkpasswd, not ckpasswd
08:26<tuxcrafter>anybody any ideas how to get mpc working with bluetooth
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08:26<themill>tuxcrafter: no worries... remember when using sid (a) update (b) check the bts (c) google (z) ask us. (note, (d)-(y) are left for you to work out)
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08:27<themill>dmr: yeah, that might be the best approach if it's important. There are probably php "libraries" that can directly mess with a .htpasswd file themselves which would be more elegant.
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08:28<zeusgrs>how to make automount one card reader in desktop?
08:28<jm_>zeusgrs: you could write an udev rule, or use autofs
08:28<dmr>Ok themil, can you indicate someone to me ? Wich is htpasswd cryptography ?? is it DES ?
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08:29<jm_>zeusgrs: or maybe use gnome/kde's builtin removable device managers
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08:30<themill>dmr: it uses the systems crypt() function (or an md5). PHP has an interface to crypt too.
08:30<jm_>zeusgrs: please don't msg me, if you need it on desktop, then find out how to do it with gnome or kde, unfortunatelly I don't use that so I can't help you with it
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08:31<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>
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08:35<zeusgrs>for auto mount use fstab, but now need put icon in to make this?
08:36<themill>zeusgrs: in KDE, you just right click and create the new icon
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08:41<themill>zeusgrs: please don't message people -- please keep it in the channel.
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08:42<zeusgrs>use gnome 2.2
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08:57<jeff>rich you there
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08:57<enouf>no, i'm away, why?
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09:02<averule>jm_: but same initrd is working after installing in my system .
09:03<averule>jm_:still i am stuck in installing my .iso image
09:03<jm_>averule: it could be anything - boot loader not loading it, read operation may fail etc.
09:04<averule>jm_:i not did any change in cd creation,as well i tested mini.iso it is all working
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09:04<averule>jm_:how can i solve this error?
09:05<jm_>averule: you need to read what's on your screen to find out what's going on
09:05<averule>jm_:first error i am getting as could not find kernel image:/install/vmlinuz
09:06<averule>jm_:this error got solved after giving input as /install.amd/vmlinuz
09:06<jm_>averule: make sure it can find initrd image too
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09:07<averule>jm_:is there any way so that i can make soft link of install folder to install.amd
09:10<jm_>averule: on the CD? rock ridge extensions support that
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09:11<averule>jm_but in log it is saying that brd module loaded,system clock setted,inpu:At translated set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input1
09:11<averule>then it is throwing error
09:12<jm_>averule: check which device it's trying to mount
09:12<melkart>i changed my network configuration from dhcp to a static connection. now my "nm-applet 0.6.6" in the upper panel on the right in GNOME (the two blue monitors) says i have no internet connection, but i do have one. how can i either teach this applet that i do have an internet connection or get rid of it altogether?
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09:15<averule>jm_ i checked debian amd iso as well in that by default it searches vmlinuz in /install.amd/vmlinuz path
09:16<averule>in debain amd iso as well no vmlinuz available in /install folder
09:16<cahoot>melkart: if you want to use nm-applet you have to bypass interfaces
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09:17<melkart>cahoot: i think i dont want to use it, but right-clicking on it doesnt give me a "remove nm-applet from panel" option
09:17<jm_>averule: no, when it prints that error, it also prints two numbers - what are they?
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09:18<averule>jm_ unknown block(8,2)
09:18<cahoot>melkart: aptitude remove gnome-network-manager?
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09:18<melkart>cahoot: i havent tried that yet... hope it wont break anything
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09:26<melkart>cahoot: it seems that i can just switch if off in "Sessions"
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09:56<vinicius_>hi! everytime I do any apt action it stops and fails to starts mysqld at the end... whats hapenning?
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09:58<pasteles> i have a problem with dependencies when i want install kde-devel, i hava this message:
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10:01<Ananth123_>will "apt-get source package" download all the necessary/related sources to compile package if package depends on other packages ?
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10:02<vinicius_>pasteles, you can do "export lang=c" to output the terminal in english and for people here to be able to read it...
10:03<vinicius_>pasteles, wich distro are you using? you can expect some discrepancies o packages in sid and testing sometimes
10:03<gsimmons>Ananth123_: No.
10:03<gsimmons>!tell Ananth123_ -about build-dep
10:04<Ananth123_>gsimmons: thanks :)
10:04<pasteles>debian sid
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10:04<pasteles>not getting to run "export LANG = c"
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10:07<Ananth123_>hmm i guess its the closest option...
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10:08<blast_hardcheese>hey, I've got a question regarding replacing DD-WRT with a Debian box;
10:09<blast_hardcheese>When I was using the DD-WRT, I was able to access both domains I had pointing at my IP just fine from within my house
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10:09<blast_hardcheese>I've switched to using Debian as my gateway, and I can't make any connections to any ports on my external IP
10:09<blast_hardcheese>from within my network
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10:10<blast_hardcheese>Everywhere else I've tried works wonderfully, I can access my email/webservers without any issues... Internally however it's a bit irritating to have to change my mail client to point at my mail server's internal IP
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10:11<blast_hardcheese>I've asked another friend about this, he was surprised to hear that this was different under DD-WRT
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10:12<blast_hardcheese>My next step is to go and explore DD-WRT trying to figure out how it does what it does; I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction
10:13<sviat>good afternoo
10:13<sviat>i have an issue
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10:13<sviat>ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x7 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
10:13<sviat>[ 68.392430] ata1.00: cmd 60/90:00:69:f3:3b/00:00:0c:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 73728 in
10:13<sviat>[ 68.392432] res 40/00:fe:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/40 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
10:13<sviat>[ 68.392437] ata1.00: status: { DRDY }
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10:13<blast_hardcheese>oh dear.
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10:17<sonia>bonjour, de l'aide pour configurer samba
10:18<morgan`>sonia, speak english here or join #debian-fr
10:19<cahoot>on freenode?
10:19<morgan`>there is a #debian-fr on oftc
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10:23<petemc>blast_hardcheese: are you running a firewall on your debian box?
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10:30<blast_hardcheese>petemc: I'm running iptables natting my entire network
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10:34<blast_hardcheese>petemc: is the result of iptables-save
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10:39<elashish>I'm using the network installer for debian and I'm at the software selection screen... and I'm presented with options suck as web server, file server, etc.
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10:39<elashish>does anyone know what the laptop category is supposed to include/
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10:41<koollman>elashish: various software you might need on a laptop (energy saving scripts and pcmcia cards reader software, mostly)
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10:43<blast_hardcheese>Whoops, kitten on keyboard.
10:43<D6>Hi. I updated Etch to Lenny. I'd like aptitude not to update "mc" at every upgrade. but "aptitude hold mc" doesn't work. aptitude safe-upgrade still says that it will upgrade "mc".
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10:44<blast_hardcheese>elashish: If you select nothing then use the tasksel utility once installed you'll have many more options; Tasksel also has an option to list the packages in one of those categories
10:44<stew>D6: show us the output of "apt-cache policy mc"
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10:45<elashish>ok thanks, I'll do that after install then
10:45<elashish>blast_hardcheese: how do i access the tasksel utility
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10:46<blast_hardcheese>man tasksel
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10:55<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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11:03<zulu>my provider does not give me domain name but I have a name to access my box from the outside (sorry I don't know nothing about dns)
11:04<zulu>I use to put in my /etc/hosts to entry with the same machine name (without domain) one for public interface one for private (it seems disastrous for apache and oracle)
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11:24<ndowens>hey all
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11:32<zfoo>Hm, which is more locked down, if I create an environment with makejail or if I use debootstrap ?
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11:32<petemc>debootstrap is an installation method, do you mean chroot?
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11:39<zfoo>petemc: hm, let me start from the beginning. I already set up a chroot with debootstrap. I was looking to make it so when users log in, they log into the chroot. I was reading to see how to make that happen. In the "Using libpam-chroot" section, it says, "set a proper chroot environment for the user...." I see 3 different ways to do this. I just did ...
11:39<zfoo>... debootstrap, didn't know about makejail. So, I'm wondering if makejail is any different.
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12:09<zfoo>I created a jail with makejail tool and a similar config. If I want to delete it, I can just rm -fr the jail, right?
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12:16<macman_>hi .. im thinking of downloading debian ... im coming from ubuntu .. what cd should i download ?
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12:18<cahoot>I'd say a netinstall image
12:19<macman_>cahoot, what is the diffrence ?
12:19<Ananth123>macman_: also upgrade to unstable version if you are using primarily for home desktop use
12:19<macman_>Ananth123, this is going on a laptop
12:20<Ananth123>err... laptops too
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12:20<macman_>cahoot, Ananth123 i was told to boot to a live cd to see if my hardware supported first .. i don't know where to start .. im coming from ubuntu
12:20<Ananth123>most of the packages in stable are quite old
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12:21<Ananth123>get your live cd from here
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12:22<macman_>Ananth123, in debian do i have to do the whole startx or can i choose a wm off of the bat ?
12:22<cahoot>macman_: I doubt recommending unstable is warranted,
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12:23<macman_>whats up with all the names .. etc , lenny etc .. ?
12:24<OdyX>macman_: I'd choose Lenny those days for desktop
12:24<cahoot>lenny is the name for the upcoming stable release
12:24<macman_>ok .. so for a laptop witch one should i use ?
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12:25<Ananth123> stable version, testing is called lenny, unstable is called sid
12:26<macman_>right ?
12:26<Ananth123>currently, testing is close to being released....... so lenny would be moved to stable very soon
12:27<macman_>so was that the right link i posted ? it shouldn't be this hard to install debian right ?
12:27<Ananth123>yes... the link is correct
12:27<fxiny>never been hard since woody
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12:27<macman_>i had woody a very long time ago
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12:28<Ananth123>woody was my first debian installation too.......
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12:28<macman_>im trying to come back to linux .. i have had redhat , slackware , freebsd , ubuntu deiban (woody) or sarge i think
12:28<Ananth123>macman_: thats not the live cd link though
12:28<Ananth123>thats a regular net-installation of lenny
12:29<Ananth123>choose ur wm from the options
12:29<Ananth123>gnome, kde, xfce, standard, wateva
12:30<macman_>well xfce rocks cause it is light .. i just need a linux distro that will help me save my laptop battery
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12:30<petern>Ananth123: very soon? cite? :p
12:31<Jackson>Hello I've been checking the "system monitor" under the Applications menu in Gnome but the upload and download totals in the network category are not correct (I know this because this computer has been on for several weeks and has been constatly downloading/uploading and now the download total is less than it was yesterday). Could anyone explain this?
12:31<dutchy>xfce isn't really that light anymore, try lxde if you want light.
12:31<Ananth123>petern: soon is relative :D
12:31<elashish>truth, lxde is much more legit than xfce
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12:32<macman_>dutchy, does it at least have menus ?
12:32<fxiny>or fluxbox , awesome , xmonad . graphical login manager ? qingy , slim
12:32*dutchy doesn't use lxde, just read about it.
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12:32*dutchy is running kde/openbox atm
12:33<elashish>yes it does, I'm using lxde
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12:33<elashish>dunno if it's complete though, a lot of stuff is still in development
12:33<macman_>elashish, do you have to actually configure the menus like in fluxbox or if you install something it will automatically go to that menu like in gnome
12:34<elashish>no, most of the stuff in here seems to have been added automatically
12:34<craigevil>lxde uses the menu standards so it is very similiar to gnomes menu
12:34<elashish>it's not hard to add it if it doesn't do it automatically though
12:34<zfoo>Gah, I am trying to set it up so someone could ssh into a chroot, but I can't figure it out. I'm trying to follow using libpam-chroot with no go. I added the user with --home pointing to his home in the chroot'd home... then I configured /etc/security/chroot.conf to point to his home... but it errors Could not chdir to home directory ... No such file or ...
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12:34<zfoo>... directory ... but it does exist. Any ideas? Or tips on troubleshooting?
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12:40<nadar>good evening.
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12:41<macman_>so .. say i'm on this live cd and i want to install it .. will it let me ?
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12:44<macman_>cool .. Ananth123 after that i can do an apt-get disupgrade etc .. from then on correct ?
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12:44<macman_>aw cool
12:45<macman_>i really hope debian helps out my battery .. on ubuntu w/gnome i get about 1 hour battery life .. im using power top , Cpu Freq , and something else but it isn't helping
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12:46<cahoot>debian can't do miracles - really
12:47<macman_>i know that .. somone told me that it if i install it and my hardware is supported that there are a lot of tools to help out .. i really don't want to put windows on this laptop for battery reasons
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12:49<craigevil>cahoot: maybe not but debian starts with a lot fewer processes than ubuntu does
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12:49<Ananth123>perhaps you could just search for laptop monitoring tools
12:49<barnes>macman_ how old is you laptop?
12:49<Ananth123>and see if u can install them under ubuntu
12:50<cahoot>and the battery?
12:50<macman_>let me look
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12:53<cahoot>macman_: cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_full
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12:53<cahoot>cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_full_design
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12:55<Ananth123>hmmm there is no power_supply under class for me :(
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12:56<cahoot>Ananth123: you should run lenny ;)
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12:56<Ananth123>im running unstable
12:56<cahoot>I know
12:56<Ananth123>tried to move experimental but somehow didnt work well :(
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12:57<Ananth123>just so i can run cmake.... which i still havent figured out how!
12:57<TMcTrain>Hi! In which channel can I post an linux driver specific problem or reference to lm_sensors?
12:57<stew>Ananth123: why can't you run cmake?
12:58<Ananth123>well, to compile kde progs, i need cmake 2.6.2 which is available only in experimental
12:58<stew>Ananth123: why are you compiling kde programs?
12:59<Ananth123>so i write some patches
12:59<Ananth123>so i can
12:59<TMcTrain>or how can I find such a channel? Google search is not very successfull
12:59<gsimmons>TMcTrain: There's a #linux-sensors on
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12:59<stew>TMcTrain: or #kernel on freenode or #kernelnewbies here
13:00<stew>that should be ##kernel on freenode
13:00<TMcTrain>its not really a newbie question! :-)
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13:01<stew>TMcTrain: if you are an experienced kernel developer, you'd know where to ask about this, and #kernelnewbies, despite the name, isn't full of newbies
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13:02<cahoot>I suppose having newbie in the channelname tends to scare newbies off
13:03<TMcTrain>didn't say I'm not a newbie! :-)
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13:05<cahoot>was just an off topic musing about the strategy behind the name
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13:12<albeitar>bona tarda. Es la primera vegada que entro i ni tan sols se on soc
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13:13<goodger>!tell albeitar about es
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13:14<enry>goodger, hello
13:15<enry>goodger, i have one littel question for y
13:15<goodger>hello enry
13:15<goodger>go ahead
13:15<enry>i have to do two commands at startup
13:15<enry>how to script them?
13:15<mjk>I'm trying to get a list of packages that /would/ be upgraded by "aptitude safe-upgrade" -- is there a one-liner for that, or do I have to check the differences in "Installed" and "Candidate" in apt-cache policy $(dpkg -l|grep 'ii'|cut -d' ' -f3) and create that list with a script?
13:15<enry>they need root autorisation
13:16<mjk>^ii, even
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13:16<nosklo>!tell enry about startup
13:16<goodger>enry: I don't know anything about boot scripting, sorry... perhaps ask someone else?
13:17<elashish>mjk: aptitude -s safe-upgrade
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13:17<Ananth123>enry: you could probably try /etc/profile or ~/.profile or bashrc
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13:18<mcprtk>hey people, wassup?
13:18<macman_>how do you get wifi working in lxde ?
13:19<mjk>elashish: Yeah, that could work with little extra effort, thanks!
13:19<elashish>macman_: I've only done it via command line, but there is lxnm which is in beta
13:20<taziden>and there is also wicd ...
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13:21<TMcTrain>I know its not the right channel but maybee someone knows something too.
13:21<TMcTrain>i need to access an 32K eeprom over I2C and this device has not an one but two byte address register and therefor its not possible to use standard I2C routines provided by i2c_core is there a known workaround?
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13:21<macman_>in that case i will just install debian with gnome
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13:21<taziden>macman_: ?
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13:22<macman_>taziden, wifi dosen't work right out the box with the lxde wm ?
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13:22<taziden>macman_: there is no link between a desktop environment and wifi managing
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13:22<newsense>right i was just going to say that
13:23<macman_>true .. i have wifi working fine on gnome ... i switch to lxde and i have to find and configure it .. it should just work right ?
13:23<taziden>macman_: if you want a wifi manager in lxde, you can try wicd
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13:24<newsense>thats why i use wpasupplicant to manage mine so i dont have to have some de's connection tool associate me to my ap
13:24<taziden>macman_: lxde prroject provides lxnm but it's still quite limited
13:24<mjk>elashish: Works like a charm, thx again =)
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13:33<macman_>ok so i just installed wicd .. it isn't finding my network card .. any ideas ?
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13:37<zfoo>I have a chroot environment that I made with debootstrap. How can I make it so that top only shows processes from the chroot'd environment?
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13:59<valdyn>zfoo: you cant do that
14:00<zfoo>yeah, I just ditched /proc. Don't need it in the chroot environment. :)
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14:04<astronut>I'm trying to set up a simple samba share for windows computers on my network. I can access it via smbclient but windows boxes seems to not authenticate proerply... share config is at can someone point me in the right direction?
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14:08<nosklo>astronut, you may want to ask #samba on Freenode
14:08<valdyn>astronut: windows network neighbourhood sees that computer at all?
14:08<astronut>nosklo: no one's answering
14:08<astronut>valdyn: it shows up but can't list services
14:08<astronut>net view \\server gives access denied
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14:12<macman_>so wcid wiped out my eth0 and wlan0 after i installed it
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14:15<dethstar>macman_, do you mean wicd?
14:15<macman_>after i installed it and lxde i only have the interface lo i have no eth0 or wlan0 anymore
14:16<dethstar>did you uninstall the network manager?
14:16<macman_>all i did was installl wicd .. i remember it said stopping ndiswrapper and some other stuff
14:16<newsense>macman_, are they gone from interfaces or just down and not showing in ifconfig ?
14:16<macman_>ifconfig only shows lo
14:16<newsense>ifup -a
14:17<newsense>are they still present in interfaces if not just add new iface lines for them
14:17<macman_>ifup eth0 shows - ignoring unknown interface etho-eth0
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14:17<newsense>fix your interfaces file to show iface eth0 and iface wlan0
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14:18<newsense>vim /etc/network/interfaces as root
14:18<newsense>should have in there iface eth0 inet dhcp or such depending on your network configuration
14:19<newsense>and similar for wlan0
14:19<newsense>add them than im saying
14:19<macman_>auto lo ... iface lo inet loopback
14:19<macman_>so add iface eth0 and iface wlan0
14:20<macman_>do i restart
14:20<newsense>thats what mine looks like for example only
14:20<anisometropie>does anyone know how to make uvcvideo work for my webcam, i compiled the module and installed it. but when I try to do modprobe uvcvideo, it get this : FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/uvc/uvcvideo.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
14:20<newsense>/etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup -a might work too
14:21<anisometropie>dmesg |grep uvcvideo says : [ 5675.596208] uvcvideo: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
14:21<anisometropie>[ 5675.596219] uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
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14:22<macman_>newsense, .. as long as eth0 works im fine .. i can get wlan0 working with ndiswrapper
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14:22<newsense>should work fine once ya add it to interfaces and restart networking
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14:26<macman_>newsense, .. no good
14:26<macman_>i have no eth0 still
14:26<newsense>did ya bring it up ?
14:26<newsense>ifup eth0
14:27<newsense>im assuming ya added an auto line for it to be brought up with networking ie ifup -a
14:27<amphi>macman_: if ifconfig -a does not show the interface, the driver is not [correctly] loaded IMHO
14:27<macman_>it works now when i brought it up
14:27<newsense>add an auto eth0 line for it btw if ya want it brouhg up auto
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14:27<newsense>read man interfaces too
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14:28<macman_>cool thanks .. now i need to put in networkmanager
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14:30<sdljfhs0h0>what to do about an unrecognized open udp port?
14:30<newsense>netstat -naup show no application using it ?
14:30<stew>sdljfhs0h0: what process is listening to it?
14:31<sdljfhs0h0>stew: dunno
14:31<newsense>sdljfhs0h0, try the command i suggested
14:31<newsense>sdljfhs0h0, try the command i suggested and add a |grep port# too single the port in question
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14:34<sdljfhs0h0>that worked for one of them, but the other is still showing up blank
14:35<newsense>man lsof
14:35<newsense>lsof can show what is using a specific port
14:35<stew>sdljfhs0h0: are you running netstat as root?
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14:36<stew>sdljfhs0h0: if a pid doesn't show up, its probably open by the kernel. which port is it?
14:36<macman_>newsense, thanks a lot .. now to get my wifi working again
14:36<newsense>no problem
14:37<newsense>macman_, i personally recommend wpasupplicant as it can be run as a daemon and handle associating to aps and handle authentication too
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14:37<macman_>i will look into that
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14:37<newsense>i got it setup to start by an interfaces line so it comes up with my wifi card at boot
14:37<macman_>newsense, i know this place isn't ubuntu but im about to install debian after the download is complete .. i tried lxde and wcid before i installed it to test it out
14:37<macman_>yea i saw that
14:38<stew>macman_: if you are used to network-manager, you could use that in debian
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14:38<newsense>macman_, and theres example config files that come with the package so you can copy one of those and modify it and use it
14:38<macman_>iface 2WIRE055 inet dhcp
14:38<newsense>yep :)
14:39<newsense>virtual interface used by wpasupplicant
14:39<sdljfhs0h0>a pid does show up, but i just realized that the port changes every time
14:39<newsense>macman_, that networks ssid encryption type etc are stored in the wpa_supplicant,conf file if your interested
14:40<macman_>newsense, do you think debian can configure my card without ndiswrapper /?
14:40<newsense>what card is it
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14:40<newsense>id try to use a linux driver if possible
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14:40<newsense>let me check i use broadcom and am pretty farmiliar with the process
14:41<Jackson>Are there separate security mailing-lists for debian lenny/etch?
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14:42<newsense>macman_, yep itll work
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14:42<newsense>macman_, if ya install b43-fwcutter in debian itll automatically download and install the firmware
14:43<stew>Jackson: there is debian-security-announce and debian-testing-security-announce
14:43<stew>Jackson: however the former usually will included updates to testing as well
14:43<Jackson>Oh okay thanks; I need to register for testing-security then.
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14:44<macman_>newsense, my eth0 ins't starting automatic .. it says its unmanaged .. i put a line that says auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
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14:44<stew>macman_: that should be two lines, "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
14:44<newsense>macman_, paste your interfaces file to a pastebin
14:44<goodger>hmm, is there any known problem with mono in lenny? tomboy fails to start with quite a list of errors
14:44<newsense>macman_, yeah not on one line :)
14:44<sdljfhs0h0>any idea why the port would change every time?
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14:45<stew>sdljfhs0h0: what process is it?
14:45<lars>Hey! Were do the http logs go when I log on to a server with 'ssh -D 666 something' and use prox soxy in Firefox?`
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14:48<newsense>macman_, thats fine
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14:48<macman_>i have to ifup eth0 all the time
14:48<newsense>no thats what the auto line is for
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14:49<macman_>hmm.. well the networkmanager icon looks like it is disconnected
14:50<newsense>macman_, sorry i have no clue about networkmanager never even seen the ui before
14:50<newsense>only heard of it
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14:50<goodger>f-spot also crashes in a similar fashion
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14:51<macman_>newsense, what do you use ?
14:51*newsense is into automation i use wpasupplicant and never have to worry about it
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14:51*marco__ dreamt about dancing flower plants
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14:52<newsense>marco__, too much mario bros. before bed ?
14:52<macman_>so yea .. newsense as soon as this debian install is done i will throw the live cd on my laptop and install it and then i will come back here
14:53<macman_>newsense, how long you gonna be here ?
14:53<newsense>macman_, cool happy installing :)
14:53<newsense>i dwell here on and off all day
14:53<ivan_>windos xp free
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14:54<newsense>my factoid is still active aha
14:54<newsense>got in trouble for making it but never got removed
14:54<macman_>newsense, so when i install debian .. to get the latest and gratest to start i just do an apt-get distupgrade or something ?
14:54<dpkg>from memory, newsense is an ignorant bastard that lurk around the likes of #debian, ignore him and he might go away !
14:55<newsense>aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
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14:55<marco__>newsense: No ;-). But I slept only four hours, so dreaming about dancing flowers and remembering it later should be normal...
14:55<newsense>thatll get your system up to date
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14:57<goodger>does anyone have any response to my mono question?
14:57<newsense>marco__, just remember the b43-fwcutter package, youll need it to get your wifi cards firmware but will need internet access through your ethernet connection for example
14:58<stew>goodger: did you check the bts?
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14:58<macman_>newsense, .. after i install debian is there a package with libdvdccs and such .. i know ubuntu has ubuntu-restrictions-extras
14:59<goodger>!tell macman_ about debian-multimedia
14:59<newsense>macman_, in debian-multimedia repo
14:59<macman_>im asusming w32codec to
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14:59<newsense>its there as well
15:00<dgodfather>hi everyone i want to install the e17 desktop fro repos to check it out but i am stuggling some dependencies issues
15:00<newsense>if ya use mplayer the dmm version is compiled with way more codecs like h264
15:00<dgodfather>i don't know what should i do, i am afraid to destroy something
15:00<goodger>stew: it appears to be known on ARM
15:00<dgodfather>the output i get is as follows
15:01<goodger>but only for building...
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15:01<goodger>and it fails with an empty stacktrace there
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15:01<macman_>newsense, last thing .. if my live cd detecs my eth0 connection it should install and use whatever it uses by default correct ?
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15:03<newsense>macman_, not sure i follow you
15:03<stew>dgodfather: if you are afraid of destroying something, and don't know how to solve these dependency issues, don't use experimental
15:03<newsense>macman_, if you are referring to drivers yes if it finds your ethernet card it will load the driver if one is available and im sure it is
15:03<macman_>i will bbs
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15:04<Jackson>dgodfather, second.
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15:05<dgodfather>stew: and you think e16 will work like charm?
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15:06<goodger>I will report an RC bug...
15:07<dgodfather>Jackson: i am waiting
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15:08<stew>dgodfather: yes, e16 has been working like a charm since the 90s
15:08<dgodfather>stew: solving dependecy issues by installing the required libs or what ever isn't hard, i just don't wanna mess up my system
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15:09<dgodfather>stew: well it seems you know what you are talking about, in that case would you recommand the enlightenment desktop?
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15:09<stew>dgodfather: i don't know what that is. is that e17?
15:09<dgodfather>it's e16 in my case :)
15:10<stew>e16 is a window manager
15:10<stew>aiui e17 is a desktop environment
15:10<stew>dgodfather: in general, i recommend "try a bunch, see what you like"
15:10<dgodfather>stew: e17 is a full desktop env?
15:11<dgodfather>will it be backported into testing or something? if you know?
15:11<newsense>dgodfather, i think its still unstable(work in progress) for the last 10 years or so
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15:12<stew>dgodfather: yes, e17 is a full desktop env (afaik). it will probably be in testing sometime, no idea when
15:12<stew>yes, e17 has been pending for 10 years now
15:12<newsense>i remember think it would be out like 8 years ago and than i stopped waiting
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15:13<goodger>dgodfather: it will probably enter testing shortly after lenny is released
15:13<stew>yes, when i used to run e16, like 10 years ago, i used to refresh their news page very often
15:13<newsense>me too haha
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15:16<goodger>hmm. e17 exists in experimental
15:16<dgodfather>stew: i want to ask you if you may list me the most recommended desktop from your point of view. already tried xfce, fluxbox,gnome,kde.
15:17<dgodfather>stew: i am looking for something with very interactive gui like the gnome but chipper on resources. i know that fits the xfce
15:17<stew>dgodfather: i don't know. I've never really used one
15:17<kop>dgodfather :
15:17<dgodfather>but i want something more pemparing (hope that is how you write it:) )
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15:18<ahmed>hi all
15:18<newsense>dgodfather, i installed just kdebase and i like it
15:18<dgodfather>kop: 10x
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15:18<dgodfather>newsense: is it responsive?
15:18<dgodfather>because the full kde is very slow
15:18<newsense>dgodfather, i installed just kdebase and kmix and kde-icons-crystalproject and nothing else kde its light enough for my taste
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15:19<marco__>does anyone know of a software to crop photographs that offer similar functionality to the Crop tool from Photoshop?
15:19<newsense>dgodfather, oh god yes
15:19<newsense>dgodfather, instantanious even
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15:19<goodger>marco__: gimp
15:20<goodger>unless you are referring to some special crop feature that is not directly related to the actual crop operation
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15:21<dgodfather>newsense: well thanks i shell try that
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15:21<dgodfather>but all other things you use, are they not kde complient?
15:21<dgodfather>newsense: do you use kopete?
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15:24*goodger should not have to look up the debian policy manual to report a bug
15:25<newsense>dgodfather, no pidgin
15:27<stew>goodger: what are you looking up?
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15:28<goodger>stew: "You are reporting a serious bug; which section of the Debian Policy Manual contains the "must" or "required" directive that it violates? Just type "unknown" if you are not sure (that would downgrade severity to normal)."
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15:29<TMcTrain>I know its not the right channel but maybee someone knows something too.
15:29<TMcTrain>i need to access an 32K eeprom over I2C and this device has not an one but two byte address register and therefor its not possible to use standard I2C routines provided by i2c_core is there a known workaround?
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15:29<dondelelcaro>goodger: if you don't know whether it violates policy, then don't file it as a serious bug
15:29<marco__>goodger: hmm, tried gimp, but photoshop's cropping tool (which allows to set the target output size, make its cropping region constrain to its proportions and it's just plain fun to use) seem to be much better overall than gimp's
15:29<stew>goodger: then yeah you're probably going to have to lookup the policy
15:29<marco__>especially if one is cropping lots of images
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15:30<stew>unless its 'copyright violation' which is 12.5, which i only know becuase I file those most often :)
15:30<goodger>dondelelcaro: presumably the policy contains an instruction that the library should not cause its dependents to crash on startup
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15:30<goodger>but I cannot find this anywhere
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15:31<stew>goodger: is this library impossible to use? or it breaks some other stuff sometimes?
15:31<goodger>further, I should be able to mark it as serious without looking through a packaging manual
15:31<dondelelcaro>goodger: that's grave, because it makes the package unusable or mostly so
15:32<stew>if its "unusable" then its grave. if its "sometimes breaks" its maybe only important
15:32<goodger>stew: the single mono app I use (tomboy) and the other mono app whose name I am aware of, that I installed to test this (f-spot) crash on startup
15:33<goodger>they crash with "Got a SIGABRT while executing native code. This usually indicates a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries used by your application."
15:33<goodger>the native libraries these two apps share are also used by other apps which are running fine, so I deduce that mono is to blame
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15:36<dondelelcaro>I kind of doubt that mono doesn't work at all, so severity important, then.
15:36<goodger>dondelelcaro: do you know of any other mono apps I can test?
15:36<dondelelcaro>but regardless, worry about getting all the information so that someone can reproduce the bug; that's way more important than the severity that you file it at
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15:37<dondelelcaro>(since people file bugs at the wrong severity all the time, and maintainers generally immediately adjust it)
15:38<goodger>very well
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16:03<macman__>lol .. i guess when nobdoy is talking it means eaither 1. everyones system works .. 2.everyone is sleep
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16:05<stew>they are all readong the debian reference
16:05<graytron>macman: what if everyone's system crashed, except the windows servers where everyone runs their irc client from?
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16:05<macman__>that would be crazy
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16:07<wekt>macman__: 1
16:07<macman__> ?
16:08<wekt>1. (my system works)
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16:08<macman__>debian live cd is at 62%
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16:22<macman__>so anyone have debian on a laptop here a (Dell) ? .. if so what are you using for a powersave app ?
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16:27<macman__>so what i turly want to know is that if install debian will i be able to put my BCM4311 into monitor mode and have packet injection
16:27<Gathond>macman__: nothing except setting the kernel CPU speed governor to ondemand
16:28<macman__>Gathond, how do you do that ?
16:28<macman__>oh .. is see what you mean
16:28<Gathond>well and forcing the hitachi harddisk to always being on
16:28<macman__>.. i have seen that option
16:28<macman__>Gathond, i have it on powersave
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16:28<Gathond>as the damn thing otherwise attempts to selfdestruct by parking its heads evern 30 seconds to unpark them 1 nanosecond later
16:29<macman__>Gathond, so ondeman is better then powersave ?
16:29<Gathond>macman__: depends on how you define better:)
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16:30<Gathond>ondemand lowers the CPU speed if the CPU is idle, raises if it gets busy
16:30<Gathond>I would expect powersave to save a bit more power by always keeping the CPU at the lowest speed it supports
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16:32<Gathond> indeed it does
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16:33<AzaTht>is there an other way to catch problem in maintainer scripts, other than manually add "set -x" in relevant script?
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16:33<stew>AzaTht: you can run them as "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/whateverscript" if you know the right arguments to pass to the script
16:33<stew>(which saves you from actually editing the files)
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16:34<AzaTht>stew: true
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16:34<AzaTht>"subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 " doesn't tell much often :(
16:35<goodger>AzaTht: look slightly above that
16:35<AzaTht>dpkg: error processing package (--configure): :-P
16:35<dpkg>azatht: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
16:36<stew>AzaTht: google for "maintainer scripts debian-women" to get excellent documentation on what parameters to pass to what script when
16:36<AzaTht>stew: that I know, just wondered if there was a better way to see why a script failed, other than it "failed" "die()"
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16:37<AzaTht>stew: it's mostly when dbconfig-common fails (which it usually does)
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16:38<AzaTht>until now I have asked out customers to manually edit an postinst script and execute dpkg --configure package and post the output to me
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16:39<AzaTht>if now dbconfig-common could fix so that all supported databases have an dedicated entry for dbconfig, then probably some erros could have been avoided
16:40<AzaTht>and if they also could catch errors better...
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16:40<AzaTht><end rant>
16:41<macman__>Gathond, that link you posted me .. is that gui or do i have to run that from the command line ?
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16:43<jan>what is a browser patch to iceweasel
16:44<jan>i need configure a kadu and gmail notifier
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16:55<macman__>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz
16:55<macman__> < -- would this be considered a Pentium M ?
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16:56<simonrvn>macman__: one channel at a time, thanks
16:56<jan>ust do to instal kde on lenny
16:56<goodger>macman__: no, that is a core 2
16:57<jan>what i must do to instal kde on debian lenny 64 bit
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16:57<dondelelcaro>jan: aptitude install kde;
16:57<goodger>jan: no growling, please. "aptitude install kde"
16:58<macman__>simonrvn, goodger can you help me with < -- this then ?
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16:58<Jackson>Could anyone tell me how I register my nickname?
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16:59<craigevil-eee>Jackson: /msg nickserv register
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16:59<jan>super kde is downloading and install
17:00<dondelelcaro>Stuckey: /msg nickserv help; will also be useful
17:00<Stuckey>Are those commands standard on all irc servers?
17:00<goodger>macman__: what particular problem are you having?
17:00<goodger>according to that page, a core 2 is considered a pentium M and speedstep_centrino should be used
17:00<dondelelcaro>Stuckey: not really
17:00<goodger>Stuckey: with rare exception in my experience, but there's no official standard or anything
17:00<Gathond>macman__: that link is just to the kernel documentation regarding the powersave governor
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17:01<amphi>goodger: acpi_cpufreq is what should be used for c2d, at least with recent kernels
17:01<amphi>as far as I know
17:02<Gathond>macman__: just run cpufreq-info to check if it has something proper for your setup
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17:02<Gathond>that is the one my T7200 c2d uses yes
17:02<goodger>amphi: fine, I'm only repeating what I'm reading on there --- since I have a k8
17:03<amphi>ah ;)
17:03<macman__>ok .. im confused .. i just downloaded .. i went to extract it and there is no iso .. how do i burn this to a cd so i can boot into it ?
17:04<simonrvn>that's probably the netboot stuff...
17:04<panthera>how about reading
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17:05<Stuckey>dondelelcaro, goodger, Thanks.
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17:06<simonrvn>panthera: that usually helps ;)
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17:09<Silensius>how can i verify my harddrive for badblock ?
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17:12<dpkg>methinks badblocks is badblocks(8): search device for bad blocks
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17:18<macman__>amphi, ok so im on 1 server in this channel .. i just downloaded debian live .. i just untarded .. is there suppose to be an iso or something ?
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17:19<macman__>im in /macman/desktop/debian/user/debian-live/live .. there is a filesystem.squashfs in there
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17:20<macman__>this is actually for anyone
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17:20<BartZ>I am not Debian user, however I think some correction is in order regarding comment in Debian's bug #503127.
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17:21<phrhd>hi, i've just installed mysql on debian lenny
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17:21<BartZ>so, my question is: do I have to register somewhere or can I just e-mail my message to to send it there?
17:21<macman__>is this what i should have got < --- ?
17:22<phrhd>now one question: do i still have to close port 3306?
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17:22<phrhd>or is that the default now?
17:22<phrhd>you can just send the mail
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17:23<phrhd>macman: what do you want to do?
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17:23<phrhd>if you want to netinstall debian on an intel machine...yes
17:23<macman__>phrhd, i want to install debian on my laptop
17:24<macman__>phrhd, what is the best way .. i just want to install it
17:24<phrhd>do you have a stron net connection
17:24<amphi>macman__: I have no idea, I always use the netinstall iso
17:24<BartZ> -- "It doesn't send anything about the
17:24<macman__>phrhd, yes .. im on dsl atm downloading debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso
17:24<BartZ>urls you browse" -- this is wrong.
17:24<phrhd>if you have a good net connection use that image
17:25<macman__>phrhd, so since this is a iso i will burn this to a cd then boot into debian and just install normally like any other distro correct ?
17:25<phrhd>do you know how to brun that
17:25<amphi>macman__: burn it, boot it, answer the Questions, and you should be fine
17:25<macman__>phrhd, yes i know how to burn images
17:25<jan>what dispaly manager is better kdm or gdm?
17:26<amphi>macman__: you might want to read the install guide
17:26<dpkg>it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
17:26<OdyX>jan: kdm for KDE and gdm for gnome ;)
17:26<phrhd>i think gdm has less dependencies
17:26<phrhd>odyx: i wouldn't say that
17:26<jan>maybe lenny 64 bit run on kdm
17:26<OdyX>!? jan
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17:27<phrhd>i use gdm and it's oky
17:27<jan>i use test debian lenny 64 bit on my phenom x4
17:27<Arpman>hello people
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17:27<phrhd>if you don't want to use kde, i suggest gdm or some other display manager
17:27<jan>i dont like gnome
17:27<jan>or i like windows
17:27<amphi>why use a dm?
17:28<phrhd>maybe you want to read the wikipedia article on desktop environments
17:28<phrhd>a dm is comfortable...
17:28<jan>dm what is that
17:28<jan>i only use a ubuntu
17:28<jan>and i hate gnome
17:28<BartZ>is there some channel related only with Debian's Bugzilla?
17:28<phrhd>dm = display manager
17:29<amphi>I always used startx; I only start X once usually in any case
17:29<phrhd>ok, read the article on desktop environments
17:29<phrhd>i did that too for a while
17:29<jan>old debian have a windows style what is that x window?
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17:29<phrhd>but i found a dm to be ore suitable
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17:30<phrhd>jan: a windows skin could be applied to anything, i guess
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17:30<freeman2411>hi guys who is experienced with shell scripting? please help me?
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17:30<amphi>jan: all the window managers and DEs run on top of X
17:30<[machine]>freeman: what's up?
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17:30<amphi>freeman2411: #bash perhaps
17:30<freeman2411>ok thanks
17:30<phrhd>you should simply inform yourself about desktop environments
17:30<phrhd>there is more that kde and gnome out there
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17:31<phrhd>hey guys i installed mysql recnetly on debian lenny
17:31<phrhd>now, do i still have to close port 3306
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17:31<phrhd>and if yes, how?
17:31<Arpman>can anyone help me install an nvidia driver on my xedian installation? Im kinda new at this stuff
17:32<phrhd>i had an older tutorial and the way they do it doesn't work
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17:32<phrhd>what is xedian?
17:32<Arpman>xboxified debian
17:32<ranix>dpkg doesn't seem to know
17:32<dpkg>no idea, ranix
17:33<phrhd>debian on an xbox?
17:33<goodger>!tell ranix about xebian
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17:33<goodger>Arpman: unfortunately xebian is not supported here
17:33<ranix>aah thanks goodger
17:33<[machine]>arpman: iirc the debian wiki has details (can't find a link but)
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17:34<Arpman>yeah - i know, but its still debian at its core and I dont know where the kernel source path is to pass to the installer
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17:35<ranix>Arpman: try apt-get install build-essential
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17:35<ranix>I'm usually a dick about this and call off-topic shenanigans but this is more interesting than the average "my ubuntu doesn't work"
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17:36<ranix>Arpman: there's also an nvidia kernel thing, not sure what the duke is with that, but dpkg knows
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17:36<goodger>ranix: it's based on _sarge_ :S
17:36<ranix>whooops didn't notice the sarge
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17:37<Arpman>ranis: im trying to installer a the nvidia driver - are you saying dpkg can help me?
17:37<goodger>Arpman: anything dpkg is able to tell you applies to etch rather than sarge, and unfortunately xebian is based on sarge, which is completely unsupported, so it looks like we will not be able to help you
17:37<Arpman>oops ranix...
17:37<Arpman>report: already newest version
17:37<ranix>Arpman: yeah, sorry man. Sarge was still running xfree86 too, gonna be a little tough working with that. It'll be like 2002 again
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17:38<Arpman>lol - yep - i inherited the machine...trying to put it to good use
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17:39<goodger>Arpman: you could perhaps play games on it? :P
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17:39<Arpman>with mame and znes - sure - but want to use it as a media server
17:40<jan>hmm why i cant selct new resolution in my monitor id ont know what i have now
17:40<Arpman>play those exotic codec encrypted files (so to speak)
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17:41<Arpman>wink wink -
17:42<Arpman>Im trying to use the Nvidia installer and need to pass the kernel source path to it - can anyone give me a nudge as to what I should try?
17:42<[machine]>arpman: have you installed the kernel sources?
17:42<jan>where in debian is a drivers instaler??? i must instal the new drivers for my nvidia, debian dont detect my monitor.
17:43<Arpman>for some reason I get an error agpgart:Unsupported NVIDIA chipset and it used to work in the past....thought I'd try another approach
17:43<ranix>jan: it's under the application menu
17:43<ranix>jan: second star on the left, straight on until morning
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17:43<[machine]>jan: module-assistant?
17:44<Arpman>hmm - I dont think the source is installed (I would have to check and Im not sure how to on this machine)
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17:44<ranix>Arpman: maybe the nvidia binary drivers will help
17:44<jan>i have all polish menus
17:45<ranix>Arpman: you got a hard drive in that sucker?
17:45<chealer>!tell Arpman about nvidia-installer
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17:46<Arpman>sweet thanks chealer
17:46<chealer>jan: there is no real "drivers installer". there are package manager, and module-assistant, which helps dealing with LKM-s.
17:46<Arpman>!ask why nvidia-installer-sucks
17:46<chealer>!why nvidia-installer sucks
17:46<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>.
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17:47<Arpman>!tell Arpman nvidia
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17:47<ranix>Arpman: you can /msg the bot
17:47<chealer>!tell Arpman about about nvidia
17:47<jan>nividia drivers now dont work on new debian?
17:47<ranix>Arpman: you should be fine with nvidia sucks for the xbox
17:48<chealer>!tell Arpman about nvidia
17:48<ranix>Arpman: you're unlikely to dist-upgrade
17:48<Arpman>hmm - still learning channel tricks ... woo hooo ... this is nice stuff
17:48<ranix>jan: nvidia drivers haven't worked reliably on ANYTHING since the GEforce 4 MX
17:48<ranix>jan: where have you been for the past 8 years
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17:48<jan>i have geoforce 8300
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17:48<jan>i have integrated graphic card
17:49<chealer>jan: they may. that factoid is about nvidia*-installer*, which is the way NVIDIA proposes to install its drivers.
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17:49<macman>wow .. the debian installer is very intuitive
17:49<Slurb>i love nvidia
17:49<ranix>macman: lots of blood and tears from people I don't know made it that way
17:49<jan>debian dont detect my monitor
17:49<ranix>I am thankful every time I install
17:49<ranix>which is somewhat frequently these days
17:49<jan>gateway FPD1975W
17:49<Arpman>Windows (yuchie) and BSD (recently)
17:49<macman>wow its installing the base on my latop .. see you soon
17:50<amphi>macman: what laptop, BTW?
17:50<jan>debian is a fast operating system
17:50<jan>very fast runing
17:51<ranix>dpkg: debian is a fast operating system
17:51<dpkg>ranix: cannot alter locked factoids
17:51<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ranix
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17:51<jan>dpkg: you are stupid
17:51<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
17:51<goodger>please do not confuse the bot
17:51<jan>not work ?
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17:52<themill>dpkg, confuse jan
17:52<dpkg>Yes, them was our gouda today, jan? wellies of the people's republic of tibet with extra cream
17:52<jan>sory but my english is bad
17:52<ranix>themill: you got him good
17:52<jan>only polish is perfect
17:52*goodger laughs
17:53<jan>oki i must end
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17:53<ranix>I need to learn some european languages, I feel like a retard in here half the time
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17:54<goodger>ranix: no need so long as the US continues to dominate the world economy
17:54<ranix>goodger: this is where the Monty Python skit enters to a drumroll amirite
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17:55<Arpman>ran a dpkg reconfig for xfree86 - help it work....
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17:56<ranix>I've long run out of things to install linux on, Arpman. I'm sorry to say that you will soon find that, while you CAN get linux on the xbox working, there's nothing useful to do with it
17:56<Arpman>hope is for the faithfull
17:56<stew>xfree86 ?!?
17:56<ranix>stew: sarge on an xbox
17:56<goodger>stew: yes, it's a sarge-based xbox derivative
17:57<newsense>yeah i recently took debian off my ps3, took up space and i rarely used it
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17:57<Arpman>yeah, well its a learning experience for me right now
17:57<newsense>was fun to get working though :)
17:57<ranix>I have a linux pda sitting in the corner, a couple more with BSD on them
17:57<ranix>a little biscuit computer the size of a hard drive with linux on a CF card
17:58<Arpman>you know - could try to install bsd on it...hmmm
17:58<ranix>long ago ran out of ideas as to what to use them for
17:59<Arpman>darn dvd drive and its media pickiness - that can be an issue
17:59<Arpman>i could reload xebian - just to say i did it....hmmmm....what to do...
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18:07<Stuckey>Can anyone tell me how I can identify with my nickname? It says that this nickname is registered in the OFTC window and that I need to "identify". I just registered it.
18:07<Arpman>guess I'll play with remote booting it for awhile....
18:07<Arpman>thanks fellows for the education
18:07<aetheria>Stuckey: /msg nickserv help
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18:12<themill>Stuckey: try #xchat on
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18:13<T_X>hi there! can anybody tell me, what /usr/lib/apt/methods/rred is good for?
18:14<simonrvn>applies pdiffs
18:14<T_X>I was just a little bit confused when it created a quite high cpu usage and starting this one
18:15<T_X>ah, mkay, thanks. "Send-Config: true" scared me a bit :D
18:15<simonrvn>don't ask me why it's called 'rred' though
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18:16<T_X>hmm, just wanted to check that this program is normal, you never know in these days of stuff like "Bundestrojaner" in Germany these days ;)
18:16<macman>newsense, or somone .. i just did a aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade as root and i get an error .. err this aptitued does not have super cow powers .. ?
18:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:17<stew>macman: that's not an error, you can ignore the silly non-informational messages about cow-powers
18:17<themill>macman: are you running etch or lenny?
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18:17<macman>i think its lenny
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18:18<themill>stew: I suspect that message will have started "Unknown command safe-upgrade"
18:18<themill>macman: what's the output of "dpkg -l aptitude | tail -1"
18:18<macman>actually its etc themill i just did a lsb_release -a
18:18<stew>macman: if its etch, use "upgrade" instead of "safe-upgrade"
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18:19<stew>(safe-upgrade is a new name for upgrade starting with lenny, it didn't yet exist in etch)
18:19<macman>couple more things .. do i have to add a normal user to sudoers ?
18:19<marco__>US and britain are still supporting Israeli mass murder in gaza :( 40 civs killed in a school today :-((
18:20<themill>macman: I'm a little disturbed about what you are telling us with aptitude. Can you humour me and tell me what the output of "dpkg -l aptitude | tail -1" is?
18:20<simonrvn>-n 1
18:20<macman>yes .. one sec ok
18:20<stew>marco__: wrong channel
18:21<marco__>stew: I know, couldn't keep myself...
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18:21<themill>simonrvn: yeah well.. both work :)
18:21<macman>let me paste it
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18:24<macman_>is that bad ?
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18:25<themill>You seem to have a mixture of etch and lenny... that's not good.
18:25<macman_>what do i do
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18:26<themill>macman_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" for me as well?
18:26<goodger>themill: why do you think this?
18:26<macman_>one sec .. how can i add myself to sudoers
18:26<themill>macman_: oh hang on... you said it was etch earlier from lsb_release...
18:27<themill>I thought you said that you had confirmed that it was lenny.
18:27<macman_>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (etch)
18:27<themill>Ignore me.
18:27<macman_>ok .. lol nice to know i get good support with a debian install
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18:28<macman_>so anyways .. i did a gedit /etc/sudoers .. i tried to add myself and it denied me .. i was root .. how is this possbile ?
18:28<themill>macman_: you should use the visudo (or sudoedit) command.
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18:29<dpkg>visudo is probably how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers)
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18:29<macman_>visudo worked. . thanks
18:29<goodger>macman_: did you see the big warning at the top that said "This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command" ?
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18:29<macman_>yes ..
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18:30<simonrvn>BIG FAT warning
18:30<goodger>and you edited with gedit nonetheless?
18:31<macman_>so to get started since i just came from ubuntu
18:31<macman_>i neede the media package with w32codec and libdvdccs .. does that all come default in debian ?
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18:31<macman_>repository ?
18:31<ranix>macman_: apt-cache search (packagename)
18:32<ranix>macman_: might need to add debian-multimedia to /etc/sources.list
18:32<goodger>!tell macman_ about debian-multimedia
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18:33<simonrvn>heh, i see you covered that :)
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18:39<simonrvn>FROM foo bar <foo@bar.tld>
18:39*zfoo smacks simonrvn
18:39<simonrvn>TO bar foo <bar@fool.tld>
18:39<simonrvn>hehe, sorry =)
18:39<goodger>simonrvn: this is not an SMTP server :P
18:40<simonrvn>oh damn :P
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18:47<macman_>sup all.. i have a million questions .. i just did a modprobe b43 and i get a module b43 not found
18:47<macman_>im looking @
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18:48<themill>macman_: what kernel are you running (uname -r)
18:48<simonrvn>um, tried bcm43xx ?
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18:49<themill>macman_: b43 is for later kernels. As simonrvn said, bcm43xx for that kernel.
18:49<dpkg>somebody said bcm43xx was a driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless chipsets ( included in Linux since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy> in Linux 2.6.24 and later. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26.
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18:50<simonrvn>see that stuff scroll by long enough you pick up a few things
18:50<themill>yeah... i've never touched the hardware and suspect that I don't want to.
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18:52<macman_>ok so modprobe bcm43xx it worked. . i get a no wireless extensions
18:52<simonrvn>themill: for about a year #debianppc was filled with "i want to get more airport extreme working" "nope, won't work, no driver" "a driver is WIP" etc.
18:53<simonrvn>actually longer...
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18:53<macman_>should i restart ? my wifi symbol on my computer is on but it isn't picking up anything
18:53<simonrvn>restart what?
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18:54<macman_>the system .. since i did the modprobe bcm43xx
18:54<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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18:54<simonrvn>probably just need to configure the thing, and start it.
18:55<themill>and feed it firmware
18:55<simonrvn>oh yes, of course. blobbed....
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18:56<macman_>on ubuntu it worked with nidswrapper
18:56<simonrvn>on ubuntu they did most of this for you
18:56<macman_>yea :P
18:56<simonrvn>here, you learn how to do it so you can fix it later ;). ubuntu not so much.
18:57<macman_>so how do i feed my wifi the new firmware ?
18:58<themill>macman_: read what dpkg said again
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19:03<macman_>am i still connected
19:04<simonrvn>yes you are
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19:08<macman_>ok so i install the volatile repo
19:10<macman_>ok so i just added the volatile repo to my sources.lst and tried to add the key but im getting errros
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19:10<macman_>let me pastebin it
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19:13<macman_>any ideas ?
19:15<stew>macman_: you need to run apt-key with sudo, not wget
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19:17<macman_>stew, gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
19:19<stew>macman_: dunno, it works for me
19:19<macman_>can i see the command you run
19:22<macman_>im looking at the gpg key right there
19:25<stew>macman_: wget -q -O- | sudo apt-key add -
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19:25<stew>macman_: i just took your command and moved the 'sudo' to the right place
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19:28<macman_>well thanks
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19:37<macman_>ok .. so i just instaleld volatile .. and removed b43cutter .. should i just restart the computer then reinstall b43cutter ?
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19:50<Panterh3art>can somebody help me ;o
19:51<angasule>something weird just happened, I couldn't unlock the screensaver, log in with password locally or log in remotely with keys
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19:54<macman>ok so i installed b43-fwcutter and wireless-tools .. what should i do now
19:54<abrotman>load the module for your device
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19:54<macman>modprobe ?
19:55<themill>macman: that's not the right fwcutter package
19:55<dpkg>[bcm43xx] a driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless chipsets ( included in Linux since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy> in Linux 2.6.24 and later. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26.
19:55<macman>themill, actually when i type vcm43xx-fwcutter to dpkg it tells me to install volitoal repo thing and do an update
19:56<themill>I know.
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19:56<macman>i did a modprobe bcm43xx and it loaded .. how do i get the wifi working now
19:57<abrotman>just simply connect to your AP
19:57<chahibi>macman, I used the official driver to make it work
19:57<themill>macman: did you install bcm43xx-fwcutter or b43-fwcutter?
19:57<macman>i see the diffrence
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19:57<themill>macman: [00:55] <themill> macman: that's not the right fwcutter package
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19:59<macman>yea .. i forgot they said they have agents everywhere .. i come here when people on freenode are sleep
19:59<macman>themill, i will uninstall b43-fwcutter and wireless-tools and undo the modprobe
20:00<themill>you can leave wireless-tools installed, you'll need them anyway
20:00<marco__>is there an easy way to extract the first character from a variable using bash (or related shell tools)?
20:01<macman>yea .. like i said the more channels i can get for support if one network is down the better i think
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20:02<marco__>themill: thanks
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20:02<abrotman>macman: that's not how it works .. people may stop answering you if they see you asking in two places
20:03<macman_>themill, so i installed bcm43xx-fwcutter and wireless-tools
20:03<macman_>ok .. didn't know that
20:03<macman_>so is wireless-tools and app ?
20:04<dpkg>The 'wireless-tools' package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions, including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information.
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20:07<simonrvn>abrotman: i told macman_ that before
20:07<abrotman>at least he learned enough to install debian :)
20:08<marco__>"Bash supports a surprising number of string manipulation operations. Unfortunately, these tools lack a unified focus." -- quite right...
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20:27<macman_>so simonrvn i know my card works because it works in ndiswrapper works fine with it .. im trying to use it without it and it seems like it won't work ..
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20:28<macman_> < -- looking at the faq .. and trying lsmod and some other commands i can see the card but when i try to ifup or sudo ifconfig sit0 or eth0 up it won't work
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20:37<simonrvn>ignore sit0
20:37<macman_>i have eth1 eth0 and sit0
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20:37<macman_>i know eth1 is my hadware
20:38<macman_>i know eth1 is my hardwire becuase my ip address is .. eth0 shows something but im not sure it shows an Link encap:UNSPEC
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20:45<simonrvn>i don't do wifi, but it might not be eth* at all, but ath0 for instance... do ifconfig -a
20:45<macman_>i have eth0 eth1 lo and sit0
20:46<enouf>or ls -l /sys/class/net/
20:46<macman_>same output enouf
20:46<enouf>ignore sit0
20:47<enouf>!tell macman_ about z25
20:47<macman_>eth1 is my wired connection .. when i do eth0 it loads but nothing happens
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20:47<enouf>is eth0 your wireless?
20:48<macman_>shouldn't be .. i thought wlan0 or ath1 would be
20:48<themill>perhaps pastebin the output of: modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe bcm43xx; dmesg | tail ; iwconfig
20:48<macman_>ok one sefc
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20:53<enouf>i dunno macman, are you on a macintel? i guess you have a .18 kernel on etch w/ bcm43xx drivers/firmware? i'm not good with wifi at all - is wireless-tools installed? are you trying to use ESSID and/or WEP or WPA?
20:54<enouf>!tell macman_ about interfaces
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20:54<themill>There's not a lot of comforting messages relating to that module insertion. Sure that's the right module for that card?
20:54<macman_>cool thanks .. i will read that but in the mean time i will use ndiswrapper
20:55<macman_>yea themill
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21:00<macman_>actually guys this is strange
21:01<macman_>on ubuntu my driver according to lspci was BMC4111 something .. now under debian i have a Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PC
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21:02<gsimmons>macman_: Run "update-pciids" and execute lspci again. You probably have a BCM4311.
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21:03<macman_>lol wierd .. little tricks
21:03<macman_>it is
21:03<gsimmons>macman_: If you do have a BCM4311, you'll need to use the b43 driver instead of bcm43xx.
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21:05<macman_>ok so gsimmons i did a apt-get remove bcm43xx-fwcutter and wirelesstools also i did a modprobe -r bcm43xx .. i just ran apt-get install b43-fwcutter wirelesstools
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21:06<macman_>i just did a modprobe and i only have the option for bcm43xx again
21:06<gsimmons>macman_: Have you installed an Etch-And-A-Half (2.6.24) kernel? Did you load the b43 module?
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21:07<macman_> Linux macman 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 16:48:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
21:07<abrotman>that'd be a no
21:07<gsimmons>macman_: Read again.
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21:11<macman_>lol wow .. ubuntu debian .. there is leap .. i thought windows to osx was crazy
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21:13<abrotman>macman_: once you get it setup, it's pretty much the same
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21:15<macman_>so yea .. im writing this all down in case something happens
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21:15<abrotman>so your machine has wired networking ?
21:16<macman_>im downloading
21:16<abrotman>did you install the etchnahlf kernel yet?
21:16<abrotman>there's no need to do that
21:16<abrotman>if you have wired networking already .. you're almost there!
21:16<abrotman>macman_: what is the CPU?
21:17<macman_>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz
21:17<macman_>its a precision m90
21:17<abrotman>macman_: on the laptop .. `aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf`
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21:18<macman_>ok when im done i reboot correct ? i have to go take my kid to piano class
21:18<abrotman>kid? piano?
21:18<macman_>yea he is 7
21:18<abrotman>yes, reboot when done
21:19<abrotman>7?! give him GI Joe .. he'll be way happier
21:19<macman_>don't ask me .. the wife got him into piano
21:19<abrotman>capsela is fun too!
21:19<macman_>ok bbs
21:19<macman_>it just finished installing
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21:19<abrotman>that was fast!
21:20<macman>my box rocks .. 2.33ghz
21:20<abrotman>i meant the download ...
21:20<macman>oh .. well my box still rocks 1920 resolution
21:20<abrotman>have fun playing chopsticks :)
21:20<macman>abrotman, dsl .. i don't know the download and upload speed
21:21<macman>ok .. next time to reboot with debian cd in drive .. note to self
21:23<macman>so anyways you guys rock
21:23<macman>i rebooted and wifi works
21:24<marco__>macman: you are quite a persistent man ;-)
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21:38<kooola>hello all
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22:18<ECISys>Hi, Can anyone tell me why GRUB keeps giving me Error 18
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22:28<ECISys>Can anyone help me with a bootloader Error?
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22:43<averule>hi to all, while installing on amd64 i am getting error as ata3:softreset failed(device not ready)
22:43<averule>what it means?
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22:49<enouf>averule: likely an issue with your sata controller modules
22:50<enouf>averule: which exact ISO did you d/l and burn?
22:51<averule>enouf, i have downloaded amd64 lenny and created iso by me ..
22:51<averule>downloaded repository
22:51<averule>and created cd
22:51<enouf>averule: i can only guess without further info
22:52<averule>enouf, same initrd is working after installing in same system on older debian sysyem
22:52<enouf>go to another tty on alt-f2, and lsmod | grep 'acpi|ata'
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22:54<averule>enouf, next time as well it given same error but installation is going fine
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22:56<enouf>averule: (again, just a guess) google ahci pata_marvell .. i meant ahci above, not acpi
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22:57<enouf>and you should try using Daily snapshot image ISO
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22:59<averule>enouf, i am creating install iso image to learn...
23:00<enouf>that's nice - have fun ;-)
23:00<averule>enouf, other problem i am facing is default kernel parameter is kernel=/install/vmlinuz
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23:00<averule>but actual by default kernel is at /install.amd/vmlinuz
23:01<averule>so manually i am copying this vmlinuz to install there any way to change kernel parametr?
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23:04<enouf>maybe try BOOT_IMAGE=/path/to/vmlinuz ... see the Installation Guide
23:08<kornejo>hi can some one help me plz im trying to install skype and after i install it the terminal says this skype: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory so i installed that libriry but im still gettint that message
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23:09<enouf>kornejo: how did you install that lib? where did it come from?
23:10<kornejo>yes i installed it
23:10<kornejo>came from synaptic
23:10<kornejo>n also i downloaded the library from debians website
23:10<kornejo>bit is the same
23:12<enouf>kornejo: ls -l /usr/lib/
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23:13<kornejo>should i try again?
23:13<enouf>kornejo: oh, and run ldconfig or ldd (see the relevant man pages)
23:14<kornejo>ldd: missing file arguments
23:15<enouf>kornejo: type this in your terminal; ls -l /usr/lib/
23:16<kornejo> ls -l /usr/lib/
23:16<kornejo>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2009-01-06 22:36 /usr/lib/ ->
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23:16<kornejo>thats what i had
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23:18<enouf>kornejo: ldconfig
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23:19<kornejo>nothing happens
23:19<racecar56>i have a glib/atk problem
23:19<enouf>kornejo: ldconfig -v something happens
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23:19<macman>so .. what i learned today is to update to etch-half install
23:20<kornejo>ok i c a list
23:20<macman>also .. im assuming dpkg , apt-get and aptitude are going to be commands i need to get familar with correct ?
23:20<enouf>!tell macman -about grounding
23:21<enouf>macman: there are also gui frontends, but well ..
23:21<racecar56>i have a glib/atk problem, im trying to compile gtk 2.10.14 on etch r6 and atk says that pkg-config found glib 2.18 but found 2.12.4
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23:25<kornejo>still not working
23:25<racecar56>does anyone know how to get firefox 3 to get working on etch r6
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23:25<enouf>kornejo: i know nothing about skype, try some #skype channels
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23:26<kornejo>there r non but tkx
23:26<enouf>kornejo: tried
23:26<enouf>kornejo: ask in ##linux there
23:26<kornejo>ok tkz
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23:50<racecar56>how do i fix the problem where atk says that 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0 detected version 2.18.2 but found glib-2.0 2.12.4 im using etch r6
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23:54<kop>racecar56 : Perhaps do an: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade?
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23:54<racecar56>ok ill try that now
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23:55<kop>racecar56 : That will bring your system up to date.
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23:56<racecar56>i still get the error on atk
23:58<racecar56>it says that it cant even find glib...
23:58<racecar56>ill compile it again
23:58<kop>racecar56 : Let me run the command on my system. (I'm kind of at a loss, unfamiliar with pkg-config.)
23:59<kop>racecar56 : If you're compiling and installing stuff by hand without using apt or making .deb packages then you can be putting stuff on that will confuse apt, the package manager.
23:59<racecar56>so how do i get gtk 2.10.14 working so i can get firefox 3
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