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---Logopened Sat Jan 10 00:00:25 2009
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00:12<pshlos_>any1 here???
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00:16<kop>!tell pshlos_ -about ask
00:17<kop>pshlos_ (And I've no clue about bittorrent etc., except that it shows up as a package so you should be able to install it like any other package.)
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00:20<goodger>pshlos_: ctorrent is present in 5.0, you can download binaries from
00:20<pshlos_>how can i install ctorrent and btpd using the apt-get system? They r no in the default repositories...
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00:21<goodger>there is no known btpd package in 5.0 either
00:21<pshlos_>ctorrent then?
00:21<goodger>btpd is not in debian
00:21<goodger>pshlos_: ctorrent is present in 5.0, you can download binaries from
00:21<goodger>you cannot install it from apt-get unless you add testing to your sources.list
00:22<pshlos_> isn't supported by apt-get?
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00:22<goodger>the ctorrent binary there is not available in apt-get unless you add testing to your sources.list
00:22<pshlos_>deb-src unstable main
00:22<kop>goodger : Wouldn't that break his etch system?
00:23<pshlos_>that is what i tried to add im my sourxes.list
00:23<pshlos_>but get error
00:23<goodger>kop: no... not if he upgraded properly
00:23<goodger>he's arsing about with sid, however, which is much worse
00:23<kop>pshlos_ : You probably do not want to be installing unstable packages and running unstable.
00:24<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
00:24<pshlos_>well what i want is a fast lightweight bittorrent client that supports file selection....
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00:24<pshlos_>and ctorrent seems to b the only one
00:24<kop>goodger : Yes, if he upgrades to lenny he can run lenny, but that's not what you told him. You're recommending he futz with his sources.lst in a way that would break an etch system.
00:25<pshlos_>...and using curses ui ofcource
00:25<goodger>kop: no, I'm not recommending that
00:25<kop>pshlos_ : Then that's the right question, what client to use.
00:25<goodger>I said it was the only way to install ctorrent from apt
00:25<pshlos_>bittorrent and bittornado via btdownloadcurses
00:26<pshlos_>any suggestion then?
00:27<goodger>there is a big difference between "the only way to remove the bullet from the gun without opening the gun is to fire the gun." and "fire the gun"
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00:28<kop>goodger : Semantics. Your dealing with the general public here. You have to assume they're going to do what you tell them without thinking things through, unless you hit them with a cluestick and tell them to think about what they're doing before they press the button.
00:28<craigevil>pshlos_: /msg dpkg ssb or see above
00:29<goodger>I didn't tell him to do anything, as above
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00:32<goodger>!tell pshlos_ about ssb
00:35<pshlos_>and what deb-src line should i add?
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00:36<pshlos_>the url for the package is: What sould i write in sources.list file?
00:37<goodger>pshlos_: you just download the .deb file using your web browser and install the package using "dpkg -i filename"
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01:53<nicholas_>hey. after a reboot (with kernel upgrade, but it's debian stable) and network reconfig (suspect, i know) my masquerading setup doesn't work any more.
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01:54<nicholas_>the clients can ping the external machines, but can't visit any websites. /proc/net/ip_conntrack clearly shows what connections are supposed to be established
01:54<nicholas_>small exception: SOMEHOW clients can hit and do searches, but no other website (, groklaw, /., etc etc)
01:56<nicholas_>also, it's not a DNS issue. we connect, send the http request and nothing comes back...
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02:09<kineez>i want to install debian lenny but update it from within my current debian installation
02:09<kineez>do i use netboot
02:10<kineez>or something else ...
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02:20<LL00>which tftp server I should use between tftpd, atftpd and tfptd-hpa?
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02:23<Supaplex>the green one!
02:23<Supaplex>ouou blue pick blue!
02:25<metalqga>but they are red and yellow...
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02:33<kineez>unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/)
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02:33<kineez>is this common ?
02:34<kineez>etch lenny
02:35<craigevil>only if your not using apt/aptitude as root or if you have another package manager open
02:41<kineez>so when i login using root terminal i assume i'm automaticly root user ?
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02:44<Supaplex>kineez: only if id reports it as such. I would suspect yes.
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02:45<Supaplex>kineez: try lsof /var/lib/dpkg/. is it writeable? is the file system mounted read write? does ps auxww show any instances of package managers?
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02:45<kineez>it doesn't report anything
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02:46<kineez>i'll try
02:46<zhal44>hi there
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02:53<zhal44>does anybody have a few minutes for a routing table problem ? (sorry english isn't my native language)
02:56<Supaplex>!tell zhal44 -about ask
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02:57<kineez>just put the "caberateur" wich is part of a mopet engine, in your computer
02:57<kineez>this should solve a major percentage of your troubles
02:58<kineez>gasoline for pc, diesel for mac
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02:59<zhal44>I have a problem with my routing table on Debian Sarge. i would like my server to route all packets from to another server with ip But i can't find the right syntax for route add. If somebody have an idea ... thanks
03:00<fxiny>route add default gw <ip>
03:00<scorpio28>is directly connected?
03:01<zhal44>Yes directly connected
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03:01<fxiny>route add/del , man route
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03:02<fxiny>also : man interfaces
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03:03<zhal44>I already took a look on man route but didn't find the right syntax. I tried something like route add -net netmask not the right one
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03:04<fxiny>you want redirect or routing ?
03:04*fxiny goes for cat duty
03:05<zhal44>WHat i want to route are packets form a machine directly connected to my server, to an vpn server with i also directly connected
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03:06<zhal44>when i do a tcpdump i can see that packets arrives on the server but the server doesn't send it to the destination
03:07<zhal44>would u like to see my routing table ? could help
03:08<bola>are server and desktop the same expect for that I get a lot of apps in desktop?
03:09<kineez>cool it finally works
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03:53<zeek>any one here?
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03:54<Guest919>hey guys, can someone point me in the direction of a way to update my apt-get souces.list with the fastest mirrior
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03:56<avu>Guest919, netselect can help you with that
03:56<Guest919>ive got that installed
03:56<Guest919>not sure where to go next
03:57<avu>netselect-apt to be exact
03:57<avu>well, if you got a package and aren't sure how to use it, have a look at /usr/share/doc/<package>
03:57<Guest919>do i need to install this seperatly
03:57<Guest919>Ok thank you
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03:59<Guest919>its talking about not being able to run traceroute
04:01<Supaplex>!tell Guest919 -about apt-spy
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05:46<drasko>what does auto eth1 stands for in /etc/networking/interfaces? I am interested how to prevent DHCP request on wifi interface during boot.
05:47<amphi>drasko: it means bring the iface up automatically at boot time
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05:47<drasko>amphi, good, so just this should be commented out, and then I can do ifup eth1 when I have wireless hotspot?
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05:49<drasko>what about allow-hotplug eth1? Do I need this one?
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05:56<JohnNy64>Is it somehow possible to tell the Xinerama extension to make the LCD screen of a laptop the primary one? Using the intel graphics driver...
05:57<Nazcafan>drasko, eth1 is usually an ethernet or firewire networking interface
05:58<Nazcafan>drasko, but in some cases, it might be a wireless interface
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05:58<Nazcafan>drasko, the command iwconfig will list the wireless interfaces so you might be sure whether eth1 is or is not a wireless interface
05:59<drasko>Nazcafan, it is wireless
06:00<Nazcafan>drasko, then if you don't want it to start up at boot time, just remove the world "auto" in its corresponding entry in /etc/network/interfaces
06:01<drasko>Nazcafan, what about allow-hotplug?
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06:01<Nazcafan>I don't know about this one, sorry, never had to deal with it
06:01<Nazcafan>drasko, man interfaces
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06:11<drasko>how to check the traffic through wireless interface?
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06:22<drasko>I set dhcp does not work on my wifi
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06:22<drasko>any ideas?
06:22<drasko>dhcpdiscover send request without success
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06:29<Nazcafan>drasko, did you first associate with your essid?
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06:41<MotoHoss>If a power button is 'off' on a monitor... (a relatively new one...) maybe 2-3 years old... is there a command to issue to turn on the monitor. "etch 2.6.18-6-amd64" ?
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06:45<drasko>Nazcafan, I set up essid and key
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06:45<drasko>and when I try to connect
06:45<drasko>dhacprequest repeats to timeout
06:45<Nazcafan>wep encryption ?
06:46<Nazcafan>hexa ?
06:46<drasko>friend gave me this number
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06:46<drasko>I used wifi radar
06:47<Nazcafan>mhh try to set up also te ap address
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06:48<drasko>te ap address?
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06:48<MotoHoss>oops I forgot to add .. I found some scripts that turn off the monitor...
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06:52<Nazcafan>drasko, the ap address is provided by iwlist scan
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06:53<icerider>anyone have work with ipset and want to help me little?
06:53<Lethalman>I've installed some experimental packages
06:53<Lethalman>how can I upgrade them?
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06:54<Lethalman>a normal upgrade/dist-upgrade/full-upgrade doesn't work
06:54<fxiny>-t <repo> somthing ?
06:55<Lethalman>fxiny: yes but I don't know the exact packages
06:55<fxiny>Lethalman: like -t etch-backports
06:55<Lethalman>fxiny: I installed them with -t experimental
06:55<fxiny>no need for specific packagename
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06:56<Lethalman>fxiny: that will upgrade all the system :S
06:57<Lethalman>you mean aptitude safe-upgrade -t experimental e.g.?
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06:57<fxiny>Lethalman: yes . add -s safe-upgrade
06:57<Lethalman>fxiny: upgrades the whole system to experimental
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06:58<fxiny>Lethalman: not the whole system but only packages in experimental , i think you want pinning for single packages
06:59<Lethalman>no I don't like to pin
06:59<Lethalman>fxiny: though as I said it updates the whole system
06:59<Lethalman>do you want a paste?
06:59<fxiny>so try the single package -t expermental -s install <packagename>
06:59<Lethalman>I'd like this to be done automatically
06:59<Lethalman>because I've installed several packages
07:00<Lethalman>e.g. xorg and mesa
07:02<MotoHoss>Lethalman: you can query with aptitude to find out which packages are from which archive.. I think. the doc package for aptitude mentions it. (/usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html)
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07:03<pshlos_>yparxei tropos na balw to ctorrent mesw tou apt-get systhmatos?
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07:03<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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07:04<Lethalman>MotoHoss: though I don't understand why they are not upgraded
07:04<Lethalman>maybe a policy of apt
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07:05<fxiny>Lethalman: you want this man > man apt_preferences
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07:06<fxiny>priority is the name of the game
07:06<Lethalman>yes definitely
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07:07<Lethalman>experimental has priority 1
07:07<Lethalman>while previous installed experimental has priority 100
07:08<Lethalman>that's normal I think
07:08<Lethalman>maybe it's best to keep such priorities and upgrade manually experimental packages
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07:08<MotoHoss>Lethalman: yeah... I see what you are getting at.. I've never been in that situation... that list would at least allow you to query and then use that in a command to upgrade just those packages....
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07:09<Lethalman>MotoHoss: the problem is that I can't find a good query
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07:09<Lethalman>aptitude search "?and(?archive(experimental), ?installed)"
07:09<Lethalman>this shows packages from experimental and installed
07:09<Lethalman>but not the one installed from experimental ;)
07:09<fxiny>but then you give Package: xxx Pin: release a=experimental and you set priority like : Pin-Priority: 999
07:09<Lethalman>fxiny: I don't want to set pins for specific packages
07:09<fxiny>or whatever
07:10<Lethalman>also because the priority is just right
07:10<Lethalman>maybe it's best to use ?priority(100) let me see
07:10<fxiny>Lethalman: so who's guessing what you want to be pulled from experimental ?
07:11<Lethalman>fxiny: i'm using the aptitude search
07:11<Lethalman>lol E: Unknown priority 100
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07:11<Lethalman>that's not a pin priority...
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07:15<Lethalman>fxiny: the problem is also that I don't remember which packages I've installed from experimental ;)
07:16<maxb>fxiny: apt-show-versions is a rather handy tool
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07:16<maxb>I mean Lethalman: ^
07:16<Lethalman>thanks maxb
07:17<LL00>about netboot.tar.gz, where is installer? inside initrd.gz ?
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07:20<Lethalman>maxb: great tool thanks!!
07:21<Lethalman>thanks to everyone
07:21<fxiny>maxb: aliens from outer space are saying dpkg has psychic powers and knows Lethalman "don't want to" , so if you don't tell , dpkg reads your mind scaring the s* out of any alien :P
07:21<Lethalman>this is what I was looking for: apt-show-versions|grep experimental|awk -F/ '{ print $1; }'
07:21<Lethalman>fxiny: :O
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07:22<fxiny>Lethalman: is a technology aliens can only dream about it :D
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07:23<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
07:23<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
07:23<MotoHoss>Lethalman: that is better than using the ?for and ?= with aptitude's complex searches...
07:23<Lethalman>MotoHoss: also because they don't bring to something useful
07:23<Lethalman>I'll request to add an ?installed(archive)
07:24<MotoHoss>that's a good idea...
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07:25<Lethalman>ok another problem
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07:26<Lethalman>I need to downgrade a package
07:26<Lethalman>remove, purge, install don't work
07:26<Lethalman>remove && install maybe is the best
07:26<Lethalman>this is a version installed locally
07:26<Lethalman>not by apt
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07:27<fxiny>dpkg -r ?
07:27<dpkg>i don't know, fxiny
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07:38<maxb>Lethalman: Expand upon "don't work"
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08:15<hever>Hello, how can I use a boot cd to boot from an usb stick if the bios can't boot from it? Do I need a special selfmade bootloader or can I boot the stick using the debian install discs or perhaps knoppix?
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08:54<hoffa>How do I extract data between two strings with sed ?
08:55<hoffa>How do I extract data between two strings with sed ?
08:55<hoffa>I want to extract the current wireless ESSID
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08:56<hoffa>Let's suppose I have this string:
08:57<hoffa>I wan't to extract the string between FOO and BAR
08:57<hoffa>If anyone coul'd help me, I'd be glad.
08:59<Maulkin>iwconfig wlan0|grep ESSID|cut -d ":" -f 2|sed -e 's/"//g'
08:59<Maulkin>Or something
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09:04<Maulkin>or... iwconfig wlan0|awk '/ESSID/{sub(/ESSID:"/,"");sub(/"/,"");print $4};'
09:04<gsimmons>Alternatively: iwgetid | cut -d '"' -f 2
09:04<hoffa>Thanks dude. So now it prints me "MyRouter Nickname". I tried doing iwconfig wlan0 | grep ESSID | cut -d ":" - f 2 | sed -e 's/" Nickname//g', but it prints me "MyRouter now.
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09:05<hoffa>With the quote.
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09:05<Xeross>i've got a problem if i send an email through mail it gets send but sendmail and ssmtp dont work
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09:13<southafrikanse>hello. I cannot access localhost using xampp. I don't have a clue what could be the problem
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09:15<Xeross>you tried
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09:16<Xeross>and port 8080
09:17<Xeross>dont they speak sort of dutch in south afrika
09:17<southafrikanse>but i still can't connect
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09:17<southafrikanse>Xeross, yes
09:17<Xeross>adn you live there im guessing?
09:17<southafrikanse>no. I'm presently living in Portugal
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09:17<Xeross>but you can speak dutch ?
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09:18<Xeross>nvr mind then
09:18<southafrikanse>I can catch some words but I don't speak dutch
09:18<Xeross>wouldve made communicationa little easier
09:18<hoffa>French ?
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09:19<Xeross>is xampp apache running
09:19<southafrikanse>Xeross, yes
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09:19<southafrikanse>that's my problem
09:20<hoffa>Are you using Skype ? It uses the same port than XAMPP.
09:20<southafrikanse>hoffa, no. I don't have skype installed
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09:22<hoffa>When type into the terminal sudo /opt/lampp/lampp start, what does it say ?
09:22<hoffa>When you*
09:22<Xeross>just wondering why xampp
09:23<southafrikanse>Starting XAMPP for Linux 1.7... | XAMPP: XAMPP-Apache is already running.|XAMPP: XAMPP-MySQL is already running. | XAMPP: XAMPP-ProFTPD is already running.| XAMPP for Linux started.
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09:24<hoffa>And what does your browser say when you go to localhost ?
09:24<hoffa>Just briefly, dont paste the whole thing
09:24<southafrikanse>It keeps loading and loading until I get a Page Load Error.
09:25<southafrikanse>It says it exists but can't access
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09:25<hoffa>What port does Apache listen to ? Did you change it ?
09:25<hoffa>If you did, try localhost:myport
09:25<spande>I am upgrading from sarge to etch. Can I boot into sarge and etch at the lilo prompt if I install udev? or will hotplug removal from etch break etch?
09:28<spande>I would happily try it and see, but if this machine becomes unbootable I have no way of booting it up 8-/
09:29<southafrikanse>hoffa, I don't know which port listens to
09:29<spande>(no cd, no pxe, no usbboot, no floppy, no harddrive connection tricks)
09:29<spande>oh, my life is far too exciting sometimes...
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09:30<hoffa>Look at the /opt/lampp/etc/httpd.conf file, you'll see
09:31<southafrikanse>hoffa, is listening to port 80
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09:50<hoffa>Did you try http://localhost:80 ?
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09:52<vinicius>im having some trouble to install apache + php
09:52<vinicius>after installing apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 i just cant access localhost through browser
09:53<hoffa>Oh, an other one.
09:53<hoffa>Skype is running ?
09:54<hoffa>Did you start all the processes ?
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09:54<hoffa>Actually it would be easier to download XAMPP.
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09:55<vinicius>hoffa, localhost:80 keeps trying to connect as well
09:56<vinicius>hoffa, all processes started
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10:07<Xeross>sendmail doesnt work but mail does work, how can i fix ti ?
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10:39<upsy>!doesn't work
10:39<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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10:43<stuckey>What programs do you use to burn DVD's?
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10:44<metalqga>gnome baker and k3b
10:45<noflash>stuckey, try 'apt-cache search dvd|more' and I use wodim
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10:54<stuckey>Thanks noflash
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10:58<nadja>hello everybody
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10:59<nadja>I have a problem with usb-driver it is a mp4 player
11:00<nadja>my OS is Ubuntu 8.10
11:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:02<nadja>can anybody help me
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11:04<metalqga>yes lots of in #ubuntu
11:04<belorn>Is it possible to do a system migration from debian 32 to a debian 64 architecture, and if so how much manual packet handling would that involve?
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11:36<trf>python is awesome, like a cool uncle to matlab's bad uncle. you know, the one that doesn't molest you when your parents go to the store
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11:38<happyhessian>hi, i have a new sort of problem that i've never encountered before, maybe you could help me
11:39<happyhessian>i'm running sid and suddenly my main partition showed 100% disk usage, the system got really really slow and on reboot it wouldn't let me log in to the DM--i'd enter my password, it would go black for a second and return to the login screen
11:40<happyhessian>df shows 100% usage--but then i ran apt-get autoclean to remove a whole bunch of junk it still read 100% usage. obviously there is some other problem. i don't even know where to begin with something like this
11:40<fxiny>happyhessian: as a user or as root ?
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11:40<happyhessian>my system doesn't allow root login to the dm
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11:40<happyhessian>i can log in to the terminal
11:41<happyhessian>that's how i saw the 100% usage
11:41<stuckey_>Could anyone tell me what type of hard drive encryption debian allows?
11:41<happyhessian>right now i'm on a ubuntu 8.10 live cd
11:41<stuckey_>Is the type of encryption that truecrpt, aes, sepent, or two fish allows, possible on linux/debian?
11:41<petemc>happyhessian: find where the space is used with du -hs
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11:41<fxiny>happyhessian: any torrent dowload ?
11:42<happyhessian>yea, recently to a different disk
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11:42<happyhessian>you think that's it?
11:42<happyhessian>ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ du -hs
11:42<fxiny>happyhessian: i bet you filled your home up with
11:42<happyhessian>8.4M .
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11:42<happyhessian>even though i have all the torrents set to download to another partition?
11:42<happyhessian>(it's even another physical disk)
11:43<fxiny>anyway , check if your home is full , first
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11:44<happyhessian>right, i just called du -hs on my disk drive instead of on my ubuntu live-fs (which was pretty dumb, i'll admit)
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11:45<fxiny>happyhessian: i set my client (rtorrent) to close torrents when diskspace is low
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11:45<stuckey_>Is there a program for linux that will encrypt the entire linux filesystem???
11:45<stuckey_>fxiny: which one?
11:45<stuckey_>fxiny: does it encrypt /boot ?
11:45<metalqga>stuckey fxiny is your man!
11:46<fxiny>i have a full LUKS encrypted etch
11:46<happyhessian>right, but it just doesn't make sense to me, all of my torrents download to my 500gb disk which df shows has
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11:46<happyhessian>>100gb free
11:47<fxiny>stuckey_: browse to for tutorials
11:47<fxiny>metalqga: so ? have you fixed your x problem ?
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11:47<ebzzry>Hi! Is there a text file somewhere that contains all the URLs for the worldwide mirror sites?
11:47<metalqga>nope, I will reinstall when lenny goes officially stable
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11:48<fxiny>metalqga: not even by running the xrandr/gtf combo ?
11:49<metalqga>actually haven't tried that,..
11:49<stuckey_>For what reason fxiny would someone want to encrypt the entire file system?
11:49<fxiny>stuckey_: i've done it for fun
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11:49<metalqga>xrandr gives me info about the screen... resos/rrates
11:49<stuckey_>haha just for fun huh?
11:49<fxiny>and yes , i had good fun
11:50<metalqga>well it will be fun if you lose the pass :D
11:50<stuckey_>fxiny: where on should I look?
11:50<happyhessian>fxiny: finally, i get 12G /media/disk/home/user/
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11:50<happyhessian>the disk is 150G
11:50<fxiny>stuckey_: i put on a lateral thinking hat : i did not reistall but i cloned my etch , i'm pretty proud of it
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11:51<happyhessian>or 160 or whatever they claim it is when they sell it to you
11:51<fxiny>metalqga: you should try , is not that hard
11:52<stuckey_>fxiny: Do you know where exactly on I could find the article about encryption?
11:52<metalqga>I'm still proud of making my home partition raid1 all by myself :P
11:53<Pepper>stuckey_: how much experience do you have with linux?
11:53<stuckey_>Pepper: about a year or so
11:53<Pepper>maybe it's the best idea to use the debian installer (reinstall) and create a encrypted disk
11:53<Pepper>installer will do the work for you.
11:54<stuckey_>Pepper: there that is it possible to encrypt the ENTIRE filesystem, including /boot?
11:54<Pepper>no. you can't encrypt "all"
11:54<stuckey_>How could one encrypt everything?
11:54<fxiny>stuckey_: there are two tutorials , they use mnogosearch engine , being a swish-e user i don't it . use that mnogo or bypass bu feeeding google with "debian administration luks encryption"
11:54<Pepper>there needs always some loading-code in uncencrypted form
11:54<metalqga>what kind of secret information are you holding in /boot?
11:55<stuckey_>Oh I'm not doing anything... someone I was talking with wnated to do this.
11:55<stuckey_>Why would one want to encrypt boot anyways?
11:55<fxiny>you cannot
11:55<Pepper>stuckey_ R U doing homework?
11:55<happyhessian>so it doesn't seem that my home directory is taking up an inordinate amount of space
11:55<stuckey_>Can people on windows encrypt entire filesystems?
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11:56<fxiny>stuckey_: forget encrypting boot and remember : /boot wants ext2 ;)
11:56<metalqga>actually the HDDs with hw encryption do that
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11:56<happyhessian>torrents isn't such a crazy hypothesis because i usually have a lot of torrent activity going on, but why would that fill up the partition that they are not downloading to?
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11:57<metalqga>happyhessian just look at the options of the torrent application
11:57<metalqga>they are usually set to dl to the home dir
11:57<Pepper>there are disk doing this, but usually in a very bad manner
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11:58<fxiny>my luksified etch works pretty well
11:58<fxiny>good performaces
11:58<happyhessian>metalqga: right but i've changed that setting a long time ago, i use transmission and each torrent that i add, i select a directory for it and i know better than to fill up my home partition.
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11:59<fxiny>and yes , resinstalling from scratch is not fun , using the installer is an option
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12:00<metalqga>i like deluge more
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12:00<fxiny>cli is beautiful
12:00<fxiny>anything cli
12:00<metalqga>i'm still not comfortable with it
12:01<happyhessian>it really seems to me that for some reason the computer is "misreporting" its disk usage
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12:02<metalqga>unmount first!!1
12:02<fxiny>happyhessian: one more thing : any dvd ripping aborted ?
12:03<happyhessian>i'll try an fsck now
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12:03<ameed>Hello All , am using Ubuntu and suddenly the PC freezes and am unable to do anything - i noticed that the keyboard keeps blinking when it freezes
12:04<metalqga>i've had it when my chipset overheated
12:04<upsy>!tell ameed about ubuntu
12:04<metalqga>but prolly it's not related to your problem
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12:04<fxiny>happyhessian: in case du is misreported just mv some files from home to var and try again
12:05<fxiny>couple of hundred Mb
12:05<happyhessian>ok... particularly large files or it doesn't matter?
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12:07<fxiny>ameed: ask #ubuntu at
12:08<fxiny>stuckey: found it ?
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12:12<stuckey>No I didn't find it yet but I'll search threw it...
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12:17<happyhessian>fsck doesn't give me much: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fsck /dev/sda1
12:17<happyhessian>fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) \\ e2fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) \\ /dev/sda1: clean, 761943/9461760 files, 37051313/37841099 blocks \\
12:17<happyhessian>how do i force it to check anyway?
12:18<fxiny>fsck.ext3 -vf /dev/ice
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12:19<happyhessian>this might take a while ...
12:19<happyhessian>thanks for the advice, if you're still here when it finishes, i'll follow up with whatever the next question would be
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12:28<carlos>I found a ruby forum, please help
12:28<happyhessian>fxiny: fsck finished, how should i paste it?
12:28<carlos>or ruby channel
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12:31<fxiny>happyhessian: looks ok
12:32<Pepper>happyhessian: ok but full: blocks used (97.91%
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12:32<happyhessian>it says there, 3 large files
12:32<happyhessian>any easy way i can locate them
12:33<Pepper>recursive with du -ks * | sort -n
12:33<happyhessian>just run du -hs on every dir?
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12:33<happyhessian>ok. that'll probably take an hour or so, right?
12:33<fxiny>du -sk | sort -n
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12:35<fxiny>damned , missed / , try this : du -ax / | sort -nr | head
12:36<happyhessian>i'm running ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo du -sk /media/disk | sort -n right now
12:36<happyhessian>351759020 /media/disk
12:36<happyhessian>that's all that returns, so that can't be right
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12:37<happyhessian>whoops, wrong drive, sorry, i think i've got it, though
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12:50<StatusQuote>good morning all
12:51<karim>is there a way to list packages in a system that are not dependent of another package
12:52<gsimmons>karim: deborphan
12:53<karim>I check that
12:55<StatusQuote>karim, you are checking that right now or you've already tried it?
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13:10<StatusQuote>hi scorpio28
13:10<StatusQuote>oh, were you talking to jessi?
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13:13<StatusQuote>are these GuestNNN changing their nicks voluntarily? seems odd
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13:15<StatusQuote>hi newsense
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13:15<hever>Hello, how can I use a boot cd to boot from an usb stick if the bios can't boot from it? Do I need a special selfmade bootloader or can I boot the stick using the debian install discs or perhaps knoppix?
13:15<scorpio28>i think it makes clients soft, nothing odd
13:16<karim>StatusQuote: I am ttrying it
13:17<newsense>!tell hever about usb install
13:17<StatusQuote>karim: is it working so far?
13:17<scorpio28>when i tried i used dd to copy image on stik
13:18<scorpio28>and it started as it was on CD
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13:20<karim>StatusQuote: I tried wajig purge-depends ubuntu-desktop on a ubuntu system but it failed
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13:21<karim>StatusQuote: but I removed some orphaned pakcages with it
13:21<hever>newsense, I want a boot cd that let me boot a usb stick if my BIOS can't do this... dpkg describes howto put debian on a stick...
13:21<kop>What's an ospf package? aptitude search ospf gets nothing.
13:22<scorpio28>kop: quagga
13:23<newsense>hever, possibly use a cd than point the install to vmlinuz on the stick ?
13:23<StatusQuote>karim: I don't know much about that, but hope you find something that works for you.
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13:24<hever>I need a cd with usb support that boots the usb stick. What install ?
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13:25<newsense>hever, they all support usb i believe at least the latest ones
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13:26<hever>what ? knoppix and the install discs ?
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13:26<hever>Do you know parameters I must pass ?
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13:27<goodger>hever: linux has supported USB since the 90s
13:28<goodger>if you want to boot from a USB stick, it is likely your BIOS must support this, rather than knoppix
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13:29<hever>not if there is a bootloader that supports usb and is able to boot from the USB stick.
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13:37<hever>Can't I just use GRUB and boot from /dev/sda ?
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13:37<scorpio28>why not?
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13:38<setog3>scorpio28: maybee because grub don't have any driver for usb device .. no mass-storage module in grub :D
13:38<scorpio28>say once again what u exactly wanna do
13:38<dubphil>Hello, I have a neonumeric usb mp3 player that i'm unable to mount with my debian etch althought I have hald running with pmount installed in the XFCE windows manager, the usb key is detected as a ROCKCHIP MP3 player, well, in XFCE I have a folder called sda that appears on the desktop, but when I click on it I have the error message : unable to mount "sda" no mount point detected (or something like that, i translate from french), any idea what I'm missing ?
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13:39<kop>hever : Grub uses the bios, so you'd need bios support. I don't know about grub2. Perhaps that's different.
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13:40<scorpio28>maybe, but as i remember it provided trough bios not trough grub drivers
13:40<metalqga>use syslinux for usb boot
13:40<hever>I'm not sure if this will work (I must give it a try.)
13:40<metalqga>dubphil maybe the filesystem is not fat
13:41<scorpio28>bios must be able present usb dongle as disk device
13:41<kop>dubphil : file -s /dev/sda will say
13:41<hever>scorpio28, I try to create a boot cd that can boot (load a linux kernel) from a usb stick because the BIOS can't.
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13:42<kop>never: Once you've booted into linux you should be able to pivot_root into the usb stick. (I forget how to setup a pivot_root.)
13:42<metalqga>why don't you do that in /boot
13:42<dubphil>kop : here is the output : /dev/sda: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSDOS5.0", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 36, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, sectors 16171008 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 15762, serial number 0x98ca68d4, unlabeled
13:43<scorpio28>if bios cant deal with usb boot nothing helps u to boot with usb stick
13:43<kop>dubphil : You could try mounting it manually as root.
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13:44<hever>metalqga, a /boot lying on a cd ?
13:44<metalqga>not exactly
13:44<hever>scorpio28, I don't believe this ;) Actually I still doesn't know how but everything is possible in computer science...
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13:45<hever>You mean I need for example a linux kernel to load usb support and grub itself doesn't have usb support.
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13:45<dubphil>kop : yes in root it works, but I would like to let my son plugging it itself, I have put his user in the plugdev group
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13:46<dubphil>looks like hald/pmount doesn't make their jobs
13:47<kop>dubphil : There's the usbmount package, which does not go through the window manager. But I seem to recall there's problems (in etch) because the fat fs is not synced before unmount when the stick is unplugged.
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13:47<hollywoodb>dubphil: have you installed thunar-volman ?
13:48<dubphil>hollywoodb: I'm afraid this package is not available on etch
13:48<hever>metalqga, what did you mean with syslinux ?
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13:49<kop>dubphil : I spent a little time search for each vfat unmounting programs and recall that there's always problems with automatically syncing fat fs. Perhaps if you ran a newer kernel? (
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13:49<scorpio28>SYSLINUX is not normally used for booting full Linux installations since Linux is not normally installed on FAT filesystems
13:49<metalqga>I've made a few bootable usb sticks with syslinux
13:50<metalqga>it's pretty easy
13:50<kop>hever : syslinux is a boot loader.
13:50<hever>Yes the general question is. Can a bootloader have usb support. (Perhaps grub doesn't and syslinux have.)
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13:51<dubphil>kop: you are right, i'm always on 2.6.18 i will try to install a more recent kernel
13:51<kop>dubphil : There's the etchnhalf kernel in etch now.
13:51<kop>dubphil : You still need something userspace through, right? ??
13:52<dubphil>kop yes for my son ;)
13:53<hollywoodb>for Xfce thunar-volman typically handles removable media (mounting and such), but I see it is not available for etch
13:53<metalqga>there are many applets diskmounter or sth like it
13:54<kop>dubphil : I can't figure out how unplugging a usb stick will cause it to sync, because it'd already be unplugged. The only thing I can think of is to mount sync so everything hits the disk right away. That way when the light goes out the usb device can be removed. But if that's the case then I don't see why there's a problem in the first place.
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13:56<kop>Maybe thunar-volman is in backports?
13:56<dubphil>kop: in fact the problem is not to unmount, but at the first place to mount it in the user space
13:57<kop>dubphil : usbmount works for that.
13:58<dubphil>i will try thunar-volman from backport first and fallback to usbmount if no success, thanks a lot !
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13:59<hever>Can I boot a linux kernel from CD that enables USB support and boots a usb stick ?
14:00<kop>metalqga : I don't suppose you know how to put a bootable partition table and fat fs onto a usb stick? I tried and it seems I can only ever boot from a "factory" usb stick. Which bugs me.
14:00<dubphil>arrgg thunar-volman exist but will not be installed
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14:01<kop>hever : I'm sure you could boot from a cd, then run from your usb stick -- which is almost the same thing.
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14:02<hever>I think I must try it now
14:03<hever>How can I tell the debian installer CD to load an existing system? What parameter ?
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14:05<metalqga>kop tried install-mbr /dev/sdx ?
14:06<metalqga>it's in the how-to
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14:39<roeeoh>Hey guys, I've the following setup (all debian):
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14:40<roeeoh>server1 is connected to server2 through the internet, server2 and server3 are connected internally through a switch port (server3 is not connected to the internet)
14:40<roeeoh>what I want to do is nfs mount server3's hdds to server1, how can I do that? I tried to nfs mount server3's hdds to server2 and then to nfs mount the nfs mounted hdds of server3 from server2 to server1, but it didn't let me mount already mounted nfs path. So I'm looking into some kind of tunneling, if anybody can point me to the right direction, I would really appreciate it.
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14:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:41<roeeoh>sorry about that
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14:46<hever>I put the initrd on my harddisk (later on a CD) and told it with root=... to load root from usb. I'm able to boot my linux from usb this way even if the bios can't boot from usb.
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14:51<vinicius>hi! my localhost is not reachable...
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14:51<vinicius>all processes running (apache2, etc)... but i cant access it from browser
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15:01<hever>How can I tell the debian install cd to boot from a existing partition? Somewhere in the rescue mode or as paramter?
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15:03<simonrvn>vinicius: is it listening on ? are you accessing it from the same host?
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15:04<vinicius>simonrvn, not listening on 127.0.01... yes, it is a local server
15:04<vinicius>simonrvn, only keeps trying to connect
15:04<vinicius>simonrvn, forever and ever...
15:04<simonrvn>well then that's why
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15:06<vinicius>simonrvn, ?
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15:16<roeeoh>or actually, how can i connect a server to the internet through another server?
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15:19<iluminator101>cd and dvd data transfer is very slow in my debian laptop, how do i change that?
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15:28<StatusQuote>how do I type a single character in an inferior process of Emacs without hitting passing along an Enter keystroke?
15:28-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*] by dondelelcaro
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15:30<dondelelcaro>StatusQuote: you might try asking #emacs on FN
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15:31<StatusQuote>dondelelcaro: ok, thanks
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15:40<happyhessian>what is /var/log/user.log.0 ?
15:40<happyhessian>and /var/log/syslog.0 ?
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15:40<petern>it's a rotated version of /var/log/user.log
15:40<petern>or /var/log/syslog
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15:40<petern>i.e. yesterdays (or last weeks, or so on)
15:40<happyhessian>basically my hd is full because those two files are each 61GB each
15:41<happyhessian>could i just rm 'em?
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15:41<petern>might as well, you're never going to look at them are you?
15:41<belorn>Is it possible to do a system migration from debian 32 architecture to a debian 64 architecture whitout manually selecting each packet in the old system?
15:41<happyhessian>how could they be 60GB+?
15:42<stew>happyhessian: note that if you remove *.log.0 today, they will return tomorrow
15:42<stew>happyhessian: you'd have to look in them and see what is in them
15:42<Stuckey>Does anyone know the proper way to install skype? Would it be best to install it in a chroot, or in a virtual environment?
15:42<happyhessian>they're supposedly logs = text?
15:42<happyhessian>and i would need them to ...
15:43<happyhessian>how should i open a 60GB text file?
15:43<dondelelcaro>happyhessian: with less or similar
15:43<kop>happyhessian : less?
15:43<Maulkin>or ed?
15:43<Maulkin>What do you want to do with it?
15:44<happyhessian>i'd like to find out why my log is 60GB?
15:46<happyhessian>wow, it seems to be full of hplip trash--failed print sends
15:46<vinicius>hi! everything looks good on apache but i cant reach on my browser...
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15:46<vinicius>and telnet 80 is not working as well
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15:49<dondelelcaro>vinicius: what does netstat -plunt; say?
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15:50<dondelelcaro>(specifically, netstat -plunt 80;)
15:50<happyhessian>thanks, guys for walking me through the steps to find this problem. the real bug is with hplip, or so it seems.
15:51<vinicius>dondelelcaro, well... some PIDs for portmap, inetd, smdb, apache2nmdb, dhclient3, avahi-daemon and cupsd
15:51<vinicius>dondelelcaro, *apache2, nmdb
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15:53<dondelelcaro>vinicius: is anything listening on port 80?
15:53<vinicius>dondelelcaro, netstat says yes
15:54<kop>vinicius : on
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15:55<belorn>Is this the right channel for packet questions, or does aptitude have a irc channel of their own?
15:55<vinicius>kop, im waiting for a netstat output
15:55<kop>vinicius : Sounds like dns problems try adding -n
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15:56<vinicius>netstat -n | grep returns nothing
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15:56<kop>belorn: Go ahead and ask.
15:56<kop>vinicius : It could say * for everything.
15:56<belorn>been asking if anyone kown about going from 32 bit installed system, to a 64 whitout reinstalling everything
15:57<vinicius>kop, sorry?
15:57<kop>vinicius : IIRC netstat will type * for "all interfaces/IPs" when it is binding to everything.
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16:00<vinicius>belorn, im not sure if thats possile
16:00<vinicius>belorn, *possible
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16:00<belorn>vinicius: oki, thanks for answering :).
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16:01<kop>vinicius : Either apache is listening on or not. If not then the Listen directive is needed.
16:01<chealer>belorn: you must mean packages. aptitude doesn't have an IRC channel.
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16:01<nasso>any linux experts here? ;)
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16:01<vinicius>belorn, since every package is compiled differently for each arch... if you want to change archs, you have to download everything again for sure
16:01<kop>vinicius : If your dns is having problems and you're using names in the config then your virtual hosts could be messed up. See also /var/log/daemon.
16:02<nasso>im looking for how to make debian not care about upper or lower case in file names, if that is possible
16:02<vinicius>kop, rgrep -i listen returns listen on port 80 and 443
16:02<hever>I get "cryptsetup: Source device /dev/sda2 not found", because I'm running it in virtualbox. How can I change the source device to /dev/hda2? Must I build a new initrd or is there a boot parameter?
16:02<belorn>vinicius: I was hoping there was a way to make aptitude do the change for me, resolving the work of finding a matching 64 bit package and replace the 32.
16:03<vinicius>kop, well... i have dns problems for sure here.. i notice while browsing some web pages on the web
16:03<kop>nasso : It might be possible, depending on the filesystem you're running. Check out 'man mount' for mount options that would do what you want.
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16:03<vinicius>belorn, did you installed a 32bit system?
16:04<vinicius>belorn, 64bit systems can run 32bit packages, but not the oposite
16:04<nasso>kop, okay. thanks alot
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16:05<kop>belorn : You could ask aptitude for a list of installed packages and feed those through a little script to get the 64 bit versions. But changing over sounds like it could cause trouble. Better check the wiki and list archives and docs and so forth.
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16:05<vinicius>kop, what can i grep on /var/log/daemon.log? my dhclient is going nuts there with things like:
16:05<goodger>belorn: you should probably not try to make aptitude switch CPU architectures. you can probably do it by editing a config file very fundamental to the system, but it's almost certainly a bad idea
16:05<vinicius>kop, Nov 10 16:19:23 vinicius dhclient: send_packet: Network is down
16:05<kop>vinicius : You want 'grep -v dhclient' to start with.
16:05<nasso>im porting and windowsapplication for linux. the problem is that it has configurationfiles with references to datafiles and some letters are uppercase while the filenames are all lowercase. i guess it worked in windows but in linux it doesnt find the files
16:06<belorn>vinicius: this machine has had a 32 bit kenerl for about a year now, but I found latly out that its was 64 bit compatible. and the 64 bit kenerl worked after a test.
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16:06<vinicius>kop, but as you can see... my network is running here... =)
16:06<goodger>belorn: additionally, you need to convince dpkg to switch cpu arch
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16:06<goodger>doing so will probably break your system to some extent
16:07<goodger>and it is almost certainly less work to reinstall
16:07<belorn>goodger: so it "could" work, but would probelly just cause aloot of breaking
16:07<kop>nasso : Change the config file parser to automatically lower case the file names.
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16:08<belorn>I was hoping it would be like switching from a old stable to a new one :)
16:08<vinicius>belorn, well, i would recommend you to install the 64bit kernel from a clean install, but before that sabe you sources.list and your package list (dpkg --get-selections) and install them again after
16:08<goodger>nope, it's built into the core of the system
16:08<goodger>the arch is set in some arcane config file that is central to the entire OS, rather than the package manager
16:08<nasso>kop: i dont have to sourcecode
16:08<goodger>it could be hardcoded into a binary somewhere, of course
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16:09<kop>nasso : So you're re-writing it?
16:09<nasso>im using a precompiled linux-binary together with windows datafiles
16:09<belorn>oki, thanks all :). I will do a reinstall then.
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16:10<goodger>belorn: wait a second
16:10<nasso>kop, i guess i could find the sourcecode for the linux program and look at that. was hoping for a easier solution though :)
16:10<kop>nasso: sed -e 's/FooBar/foobar/g' broken.config > fixed.config
16:11<goodger>belorn: I would like to alert you to --- will probably make your life easier
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16:11<vinicius>kop, could be this? Jan 10 17:29:37 vinicius inetd[3360]: syntax error in inetd config file
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16:12<pietro_>buon giorno
16:12<belorn>goodger: aa, very nice. Thank you
16:12<pietro_>come va?
16:12<goodger>belorn: that's OK. be aware that amd64 does not have the same set of packages as i386 --- some of them may be missing
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16:13<kop>vinicius : That could break some stuff, but I'm not sure what it'd have to do with your problem at hand. Perhaps I sent you to the wrong place. Try looking at the apache logs in /var/log/httpd/ maybe?
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16:13<kop>vinicius : The point being that the deamons tell you of problems by loggin them. (tail -f is your friend.)
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16:14<vinicius>kop, maybe this? [Sat Jan 10 13:06:33 2009] [warn] (101)Network is unreachable: connect to listener on [::]:80
16:14<belorn>goodger: oki :). thanks again
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16:15<kop>vinicius : That's a complaint about not being able to connect to the ipv6 localhost.
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16:15<vinicius>kop, the problem itself =)
16:15<kop>vinicius : Well, you're connecting to the ipv4 localhost.
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16:15<vinicius>kop, true :p
16:16<vinicius>kop, Well, that's the only error on error.log
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16:17<vinicius>kop, im getting desperate to the point of installing debian again... like I would do on windows :P
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16:18<nasso>kop, im not familiar with sed. is there a way to lowercase everything in a file?
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16:20<vinicius>nasso, cat file | sed 'y/A-Z/a-z/'
16:20<vinicius>nasso, i guess :p
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16:21<vinicius>nasso, that'll undercase only the first uppercased character
16:21<kop>nasso : My sed is not up to that. I'd use: awk '{print tolower($0);}' < old.config > new.config
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16:23<kop>vinicius : I'd start by fixing dns. But that's just me.
16:23<wnd>if you only wanted to lowercase everything it'd be the easiest to use tr. "tr A-Z a-z <input".
16:23<wnd>(besides that sed example had all too classical useless use of cat)
16:24<vinicius>kop, i always had this dns problem with other distros... its something to do with my router
16:25<kop>vinicius : What does telnet say when you try to connect to localhost? (You say netstat says it's listening on localhost)
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16:25<vinicius>kop, i cant connect by telnet
16:25<vinicius>kop, it keeps trying and trying...
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16:26<kop>vinicius : you get no output?
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16:27<vinicius>kop, Trying
16:27<vinicius>kop, and thats it
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16:27<kop>vinicius : What's the netstat line that says apache is listening on
16:28<nasso>tr worked fine. thanks all :)
16:28<GreatDane>hi guys - anybody knows what's up with ?
16:29<GreatDane>for some reason, apt suddenly decided that the packages there no longer can be authenticated...
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16:29<vinicius>kop, as i said, netstat -n | grep returns nothing
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16:29<goodger>GreatDane: let me have a look...
16:29<vinicius>kop, that means that theres nothing listening
16:29<kop>vinicius : I don't know what apache will do if it can't do, e.g., reverse name lookups. It might wait a while. Bad dns causes delays.
16:30<vinicius>kop, humn.... i dont know...
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16:30<kop>vinicius : Or it means that it's listening on all ports, if netstat types a * instead of an IP number.
16:30<kop>vinicius : s/ports/IPs/
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16:30<goodger>GreatDane: that problem does not occur with me, please pastebin your sources.list
16:30<kop>And if you start and stop apache there's nothing shows up in the apache error logs?
16:31<vinicius>kop, no... thats my ip number there
16:31<GreatDane>vinicius/kop: to find out what's listening on a tcp port, use "netstat -tnl" - without the -l (letter ell), only active connections will be listed
16:32<kop>GreatDane : He did that. But I cant' seem to get him to tell me what the output is execpt that it does not contain
16:32<GreatDane>goodger: just tried reproducing it, error is different now: Err lenny/main openbsd-inetd 0.20080125-2
16:32<GreatDane>403 Forbidden
16:32<vinicius>GreatDane, kop tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN
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16:33<kop>vinicius : It's only listening there on ipv6.
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16:33<GreatDane>is mr. hands playing with clustering, perhaps?
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16:34<kop>vinicius : If that's all there is then you're either telling it to do that in the apache config file or there's an error somewhere in the apache log.
16:34<goodger>GreatDane: I have no problems installing that package
16:34<GreatDane>hm... i must have some local problem then...
16:34<goodger>(I am using, lenny and apt-get
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16:34<GreatDane>so am i ...
16:35<kop>GreatDane : Maybe that site hates you?
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16:35<goodger>yes, I know, I was reassuring you that I was trying to reproduce the bug properly
16:35<GreatDane>kop/goodger: false alarm. sorry guys.
16:36<goodger>GreatDane: working now?
16:36<GreatDane>I had set up squid in transparent proxy mode and firewalling rules to map all outgoing traffic through the proxy
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16:36<vinicius>ill be back soon
16:36<GreatDane>and the squid acl's did allow for the machine's own IP :-( D'oh!
16:36<vinicius>kop, thanks a bunch!
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16:40<soledad>hola como estas
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16:41<kop>!tell soledad -about es
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16:43<administrator>? venezia
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16:48<adamm>Funny observation - one of the mirrors for is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0
16:48<dankbot420>wrong xterm
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16:57<stuckey_>I'm trying to use bittornado-gui but I'm getting this error when I run it at the termainal: "wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly.
16:57<stuckey_>Anyone familiar with this? Could anyone offer me some help?
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16:58<goodger>stuckey_: have you installed wxPython?
16:59<stuckey_>Is that a package name?
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17:01<goodger>stuckey_: python-wxgtk2.8 is the package name
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17:02<stuckey_>How do I change my name on here?
17:02<goodger>stuckey_: /nick Stuckey
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17:03<Stuckey>goodger: shouldn't that package be automatically installed with bittornado?
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17:03<Stuckey>goodger: do you know if bittorrnado needs TCP and UDP ports forwarded or ???
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17:04<Stuckey>goodger: I'm getting an error when I try to install python-wxgtk2.8, the error says that python-wxgtk2.8 has unmet dependences, and that it depends on python (<2.5) but 2.5.2-3 is to be installed.
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17:08<Stuckey>Does anyone know why that may be?
17:09<goodger>Stuckey: what distribution is this?
17:09<goodger>i.e. etch, lenny, sid
17:09<Stuckey>It's Lenny
17:10<goodger>ok, stand by
17:11<goodger>Stuckey: I do not get that error
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17:12<Stuckey>goodger: Well what should I do to fix it...
17:12<goodger>Stuckey: I don't know without being able to reproduce it
17:12<Stuckey>I need to be able to use bittorrnado
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17:13<goodger>Stuckey: you installed bittornado-gui?
17:13<Stuckey>goodger: Yes
17:13<dpkg>rumour has it, transmission is a free, lightweight BitTorrent client. It features a simple, intuitive interface on top on an efficient, cross-platform back-end. Transmission is open source (MIT license) and runs on Mac OS X (Cocoa interface), Linux/NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD (GTK+ interface) and BeOS/ZETA (native interface).
17:13<goodger>Stuckey: what is the command to run bittornado's GUI? :S
17:14<Stuckey>valdyn: I need bittorrnado specifically.
17:14<goodger>valdyn: transmission is not relevant to this
17:14<valdyn>Stuckey: weirdo
17:14<goodger>neither is name-calling
17:14<Stuckey>Sorry, I just need it. My preference is for rTorrent.
17:14<amphi>Stuckey: good man
17:14<valdyn>Stuckey: dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
17:14<goodger>Stuckey: you are aware that debian provides rtorrent in lenny?
17:15<valdyn>Stuckey: mind explaining why you need just that tool?
17:16<Stuckey>goodger: btdownloadgui.bittornado
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17:16<goodger>Stuckey: cheers
17:17<goodger>...and that works fine for me
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17:17<Stuckey>goodger: I get the error I told you about when I run that.
17:17<goodger>so you said
17:17<goodger>however, I can't reproduce it
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17:18<Stuckey>It says wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly.
17:19<valdyn>Stuckey: same old bug, have you checked the bts?
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17:37<Stuckey>valdyn: I searched for big reports for bittornado-gui but didn't find any.
17:39<valdyn>Stuckey: weird, i saw this bug a month ago
17:39<valdyn>Stuckey: on irc
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17:40<valdyn>Stuckey: i couldnt fix it quickly
17:40<valdyn>Stuckey: ( that means its not just a missing depend that i can install manually )
17:40<Stuckey>Wait, I found the bug reports.
17:40<goodger>Stuckey: is the rest of your system up to date?
17:41<Stuckey>goodger: Yes, I upgraded today.
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17:43<Stuckey>valdyn: I found the bug reports but there doesn't seem to be one related to my problem.
17:44<valdyn>Stuckey: ill have a look at the bugs, but i have no time to debug it
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17:45<valdyn>Stuckey: indeed, not there, wierd
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17:45<goodger>Stuckey: the problem is probably in a different package?
17:45<goodger>such as one of the wx ones
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17:46<valdyn>Stuckey: if you would only use a modern torrent client
17:46<Stuckey>valdyn: I use rTorrent
17:46<goodger>yeah, bittornado's pretty unpleasant
17:46<goodger>Stuckey: why are you trying to run bittornado then?
17:47<goodger>Stuckey: please do not PM without asking
17:47<Stuckey>What exactly is wrong with bittorrnado? I thought it was pretty good...
17:47<goodger>what are you downloading that requires bittornado? :S
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17:47<goodger>Stuckey: please do not PM without asking
17:48<Stuckey>My apologies, I won't do it again without asking.
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17:48<goodger>is that seriously the only client supported by said tracker?
17:48<Stuckey>Or uTorrent
17:48<goodger>oh, azureus is available in debian...
17:48<Stuckey>Yeah but, it's azureus
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17:49<goodger>excellent point
17:49<Stuckey>And Bittornado is available in Debian.
17:49<goodger>you could also run µTorrent in wine
17:49<Stuckey>I wouldn't be bettering Debian by running utorrnet in wine.
17:50<goodger>but yeah, you should be able to run bittornado if there's a package available
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17:52<Stuckey>So where would you go from here goodger ?
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17:52<goodger>Stuckey: I would run "debsums -a -s" to check that none of my installed packages had been corrupted, first
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17:56<Stuckey>goodger: should this take a while to run?
17:56<goodger>Stuckey: a good few minutes, yes
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17:56<goodger>hashing stuff is quite difficult
17:56<Stuckey>May I post the output to pastebin for you?
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17:57<goodger>when it's finished, sure --- strip any lines beginning "no md5sums"
17:58<Stuckey>Is there a way to automate the process of line-stripping?
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17:59<amphi>ubuntu: ECHAN?
17:59<ubuntu>help me
18:00<amphi>ubuntu: you're using ubuntu?
18:00<ubuntu>danke, wery much
18:00<dpkg>[cz] Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
18:01<amphi>ubuntu: try #ubuntu on
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18:05<Stuckey>Does anyone know if bittorrent needs UDP or TCP, or ports over both forwarded?
18:05<amphi>Stuckey: both, if I recall correctly
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18:11<stuckey_>I have the worst internet
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18:11<stuckey_>goodger: Is there a way to output the output of the command you gave me to a .txt file?
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18:13<goodger>stuckey_: "debsums -a -s > /path/filename"
18:13<stuckey_>I did that but it output a blank file.
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18:15<goodger>Stuckey: just copy and paste from the terminal window?
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18:17<Stuckey_>Sorry to repost this question but I have the worst ISP in the world
18:17<Stuckey_>goodger: I tried that but it output a blank file.
18:17<goodger>Stuckey: just copy and paste from the terminal window?
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18:18<Stuckey_>goodger: if so, you wouldn't have the complete text, as it is longer than what the terminal window stores.
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18:18<goodger>Stuckey_: oh dear.
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18:19<Guest1011>can anyone offer some advice on configuring a tool that will do it for me. So far I have apt-get xorg and gdm
18:19<Guest1011>what else Do I need? When I try startx it tells me "no screens found"
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18:19<goodger>stuckey: try running debsums -s instead
18:19<Stuckey_>goodger: why doesn't it produce any text? why is the output blank?
18:20<goodger>Stuckey_: that means your system is OK
18:20<goodger>but surely it has not finished running yet?
18:20<Stuckey_>goodger: but I'm geting output in the terminal... but it doesn't put anything to the textfile that I specificed.
18:20<Stuckey_>Yes I've run it five times now...
18:20<goodger>Guest1011: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:21<Stuckey_>Guest1011: just run x --configure
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18:22<goodger>Stuckey_: I must have got my syntax wrong
18:22<Stuckey_>goodger: It has already exceeded the amount of text that will fit in one terminal window and thus you would not be able to read the complete file as debsums is not capable of outputting to a file.
18:22<Stuckey_>goodger: Do you still want me to copy and paste the bottom part of it?
18:22<goodger>wait a moment
18:23<goodger>I will see if I can suppress the missing md5sums messages
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18:23<Stuckey_>Usually my internet goes out every 480 seconds, so if I leave I should be back in a moment :)
18:23<Stuckey_>I want to burn a fritz box.
18:24<Stuckey_>Seriously, the modem is called "fritz box"... it's like it's admitting that it sucks.
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18:24<amphi>Stuckey_: haha
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18:26<goodger>Stuckey_: "debsums -c | grep -v md5" will strip the md5 messages
18:27<goodger>(copy and paste that)
18:27<Stuckey_>Waiting for it to finnish
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18:27<goodger>no output so far?
18:28<Stuckey_>goodger: It didn't strip the md5 messages... the same amount of output as before presisst.
18:28<themill>goodger: redirect stderr to the same file. command > logfile 2>&1
18:28*themill feels sorry for the desk
18:29<goodger>this thing should not be outputting non-error output to stderr
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18:29<goodger>Stuckey_: do as themill said
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18:29<goodger>ack, spambot attack!
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18:30<Stuckey_>themill: What was the command synatx again?
18:30<themill>goodger: "OK" messages from debsums go to stdout and error messages to stderr.
18:30<goodger>Stuckey_: debsums -c > /path/filename 2>&1
18:30<goodger>themill: that does not make any immediate sense to me
18:31<themill>how so?
18:31<Stuckey_>That's just supressing stderror
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18:31<goodger>Stuckey_: it should suppress it and dump to file simultaneously
18:32<Stuckey_>Perhaps themill knows why I'm getting this error with bittorrnado.
18:32<goodger>themill: the "error" output here is not error output by my logic, it is part of the normal operation of the app
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18:33<goodger>themill: Stuckey_ has been experiencing "wxpython not found" when launching bittornado-gui
18:33<themill>goodger: I've not seen the context or message so I can't comment.
18:33<goodger>very well
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18:34<goodger>Stuckey_: please pastebin as much of the output as possible, then
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18:34<Guest1011>for a nvida geforce4 what xserver driver shuold I use
18:34<Guest1011>I cant get it to pull up an X screen, keeps blinking
18:35<goodger>Guest1011: nv
18:35<goodger>for now
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18:37<Guest1011>yay it worked
18:37<goodger>Guest1011: you have working X now?
18:38<Guest1011>is it alright to run etch and a half with the stable resopirotrys
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18:38<dmoerner>that is the only way to do it
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18:39<goodger>yes, the stable repositories contain etchnhalf
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18:40<Guest1011>and no for an opinion, whats the best minumum X intervce like fvwm
18:40<goodger>I like XFCE, but that may be too heavy for you
18:41<petern>i found xfce too inconsistent
18:41<goodger>well, I use GNOME
18:41<goodger>I have used XFCE
18:41<goodger>I can't possibly comment on anything smaller
18:42<Guest1011>im going to try fluxbox
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18:42<petern>i realised what's missing
18:42<petern>an ottdwm with a limit of 25 windows, tiny buttons and no window focus...
18:43*goodger scribbles down this idea for april 1
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18:43<marco_>does anyone of you know a dns tunneling solution which does not need TUN/TAP devices on server end?
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18:45<goodger>petern: are you able to provide any estimation of TTD's memory requirements?
18:45<petern>not TTD
18:46<petern>i believe 4MB is plenty but could be wrong
18:47<goodger>I will write 4M as the memory consumption of ttdwm then
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18:50<oipunx>i got a hauppage win-tv-hvr 1800
18:50<oipunx>and it's supported under the kernel
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18:50<oipunx>but i couldnt get any channel when scanning
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18:50<oipunx>tried (dvb)scan and w_scan
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19:19<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already. <qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 227 (2008-10-18)
19:20<themill>here was I looking for some entertainment
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19:21<goodger>interestingly /msg dpkg qotd0 works fine
19:22<themill>yes.... dpkg sometimes has issues dealing with !.
19:22<themill>dpkg: qotd0
19:22<dpkg><galois> bethe: mutt? <bethe> bitch!
19:22<themill>dpkg: you suck
19:22<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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19:40<robert>I have some trouble installing flash (yes sorry) on my Debian GNU/Linux (lenny)
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19:41<robert>I ran the (crappy) installer, it installed me a in the folder /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/, but this still doesn't read flash in the browser.
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19:41<robert>Isn't iceweasel supposed to automatically use the plugins in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
19:42<robert>Of course I restarted iceweasel
19:42<newsense_>or ~/.moilla/plugins
19:43<goodger>robert: the bot will have given you a message. I recommend you use the deb-multimedia route
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19:44<robert>newsense_: this isn't working either. But I'd rather use the method that enable flash for all users.
19:44<robert>goodger: thanks I'm trying this
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19:48<robert>goodger: ok so the point is that we can't find a flash plugin in stable/non-free or testing/non-free so it has to be in sid/non-free, right ?
19:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 371] by debhelper
19:49<robert>So I'm not supposed to be affected when using the tar.gz from the adobe website, I guess.
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19:50<robert>I'll try debian-multimedia and sid pacakges, but there is a good chance it doesn't work either.
19:50<hollywoodb>robert: (also debian-multimedia has it)
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20:05<Silensius>looking for à picturs manager for gnome
20:05<goodger>Silensius: try f-spot
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20:08<Silensius>thanks goodger
20:09<goodger>Silensius: that's OK
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20:09<Silensius>sorry it's work on gnome and lenny ?
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20:12<hollywoodb>there's also gthumb, and if you're so inclined, google offers Picasa bundled with wine as a deb package
20:14<robert>I'm affraid installing #
20:14<robert> flashplugin-nonfree from sid didn't work.
20:15<robert>Is it supposed to install the .so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins or the /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin ? Cause I don't have it.
20:15<robert> here is the teminal output
20:16<robert>It seems to have only downloaded the .tar.gz. Like i did.
20:17<Silensius>it's woeks on lenny
20:20<amphi>Silensius: also gqview
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20:23<jl>Hi , lookig for sidux channel
20:24<craigevil>#sidux on
20:29<robert>So no idea for this flashplugin problem ?
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20:30<Silensius>i forgot whet i put it but it works on my lenny debain box
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20:35<s0dhf0shf>hey. on every package i'm installing from the official repos i get an warning about untrusted packages and have to confirm. what's the name of the keyring package i need to install to remedy this?
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20:37<newsense_>or aptitude search keyring
20:38<s0dhf0shf>newsense_: thanks alot
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20:52<s0dhf0shf>i need to add /usr/local/bin to my path.
20:53<simonrvn>append or prepend it it your $PATH
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20:54<s0dhf0shf>yeah. where?
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20:55<elgalinero>hello, the eth0 profile disappeard in the gnome application system>administration>network... does anyone know how to restore it??
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20:56<s0dhf0shf>right now i'm getting 'bash: /usr/bin/app: No such file or directory' . the app is in /usr/local/bin. and the output of 'env | grep PATH' is 'PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games'
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21:00<melxigno>alguna mujer ke hable espaniol
21:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:03<s0dhf0shf>is the default prefix /usr/bin?
21:03<s0dhf0shf>or /usr
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21:08<newsense_>not sure what ya mean but bash will search in order of paths in the users path
21:08<newsense_>so it would check /usr/local/bin first in your case
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21:09<simonrvn>neeed to source the .bash* if that's a new edit
21:10<s0dhf0shf>i didn't edit anything
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21:12<s0dhf0shf>yeah. it's not checking that path though.
21:12<s0dhf0shf>the file exists in that path, but it's not being found.
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21:16<umarzuki>hi, is installing sun-java6-jre on my lenny amd64 is enough to view java plugins on epiphany or is there any more special steps?
21:16<simonrvn>you sure it's there? and that's set in one of your shell rc files? like .bash_profile or .bashrc?
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21:20<s0dhf0shf>simonrvn: i'm sure it's there. not sure how to set it in the shells rc file though
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21:23<simonrvn>usually PATH="/foo/bin:....."
21:23<chealer>umarzuki: no, the Java plugin is in sun-java6-plugin
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21:27<umarzuki>well, couldn't fnd any sun-java6-plugin, perhaps it's not available for amd64
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21:28<userxxxx>hi all
21:28<s0dhf0shf>simonrvn: so i see this line in my .bash_profile
21:28<s0dhf0shf> PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
21:28<s0dhf0shf>that's the only reference to PATH i see at all
21:28<simonrvn>in your ~/ ?
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21:29<userxxxx>is [ cat /dev/hda > /dev/sda ] equivalent to [ dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda ] ?
21:29<simonrvn>so add /usr/local/bin: after the ~/bin
21:30<s0dhf0shf> PATH=~/bin:/usr/local/bin:"${PATH}"
21:30<simonrvn>just mae sure you have spearators ;)
21:30<s0dhf0shf>yeah.what are the separators?
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21:31<s0dhf0shf>then how do i put those changes into effect?
21:32<simonrvn>crap, cat hit the spacebar
21:32<simonrvn>source it; . ~/.bash_profile
21:32<simonrvn>no, ldconfig is something else
21:32<s0dhf0shf>bash: /.bash_alias: No such file or directory
21:33<simonrvn>fix that. should be a tilde (~) in there
21:33<s0dhf0shf>fix what?
21:34<simonrvn>bash: /.bash_alias: No such file or directory
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21:35<s0dhf0shf>hmm. in kwrite it appears as a tilde. but in nano it appears as a -
21:36<s0dhf0shf>and it appears that it is interpreted by the os a s - as well
21:36<s0dhf0shf>*as a
21:36<simonrvn>ok, well i'd re-type it, and take nano's word for it
21:36<s0dhf0shf>oh yeah. it won't allow me to type a tilde. woot
21:36<s0dhf0shf>i'm gonna throw this out the window
21:37<simonrvn>c&p it from ^^^ ;). or just put in your home directory full path
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21:37<simonrvn>what do you mean nope
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21:38<s0dhf0shf>it still comes up as -
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21:38<goodger>that'll be a font problem
21:38<simonrvn>probably, or it's wonky.
21:38<s0dhf0shf>can i just use $HOME
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21:40<s0dhf0shf>oh, yeah. btw. if i run 'cd $lsdhfoshdflshf' it changes to my $HOME. any string following $ will change my dir to home
21:40<s0dhf0shf>hope this isn't a sign of a larger underlying problem
21:40<simonrvn>o_O. that is weird.
21:41<s0dhf0shf>goodger: is the font problem fixable?
21:42<goodger>yeah, switch to a different font
21:42<goodger>not sure how
21:42<s0dhf0shf>yeah. i got it
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21:48<nihilist>Hello, what framebuffer-value can i write in grub-menu.lst for an resolution of 1024x600? e.g. vga=791 (that does not work..)
21:49<simonrvn>you sure that exists? maybe 1024x768?
21:50<nihilist>no, it`s an msi wind netbook, 1024x600 ist correct
21:50<nihilist>i mean yes i am sure :-)
21:50<miksuh>s0dhf0shf: well it thinks that $lsdhfoshdflshf is variable lsdhfoshdflshf
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21:51<miksuh>s0dhf0shf: if $lsdhfoshdflshf is empty then "cd $lsdhfoshdflshf" is same as 'cd' which will change my dir to home
21:51<miksuh>s0dhf0shf: if $lsdhfoshdflshf is empty then "cd $lsdhfoshdflshf" is same as 'cd' which will change dir to home
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21:53<simonrvn>oh ok
21:54<nihilist>i think splashy does not work without framebuffer...
21:55<newsense>nihilist, tried vga=789 already ?
21:55<nihilist>i tried 791, but not 789
21:56<newsense>i believe thats 1024x600:32
21:58<newsense>or might be 800x600:32 nm
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22:00<nihilist>i can`t try it at the moment, but how is this calculated?
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22:01<newsense>i forget but ya know if ya use a different fb driver you can usually use mode=1024x600 instead of vga=???
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22:01<newsense>use the fb driver for the video card ya use and specify it that way would be easier
22:02<nihilist>that would be nice, which one would that be for an intel card?
22:02<newsense>i played around with fb before when i thought splashy was cool but its been a while
22:02<newsense>nihilist, theres a list of available fb drivers on your system somewhere
22:03<simonrvn>i prefer an fb console. got used to it on ppc (no vesa there, just fb)
22:03<newsense>but like i said havent had an interest in anything like that in a while and forget
22:03<simonrvn>modprobe -l | grep '*fb'
22:03<newsense>simonrvn, you probobly know where the available fb drivers for a sys are located than
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22:06<simonrvn>they're all named *fb ;)
22:06<newsense>yeah i forgot
22:07<nihilist>yes, intelfb.ko ?
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22:07<newsense>yeah thats one i used to use
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22:07<nihilist>so the entry for menu.lst would be intelfb=1024x600 ?
22:08<newsense>no i dont think so
22:08<simonrvn>no, video=intelfb:1024x600-60,cmode:32
22:08<newsense>there was a doc that gave the options probobly in /usr/share/doc/grub id guess
22:08<s0dhf0shf>if i'm compiling something and my path is set to /usr/bin what would i use for the --prefix option when running configure?
22:09<simonrvn>/usr ; things you build yourself should be in /usr/local
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22:09<nihilist>ok, thanks.
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22:09<nihilist>rtfm for me...
22:10<simonrvn>nihilist: ^^^
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22:11<goodger>beware that TFM is several thousand pages long... as always :P
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22:13<nihilist>you're right, every solution is hidden in some man-pages (at least i hope so...)
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22:26<linux478>is this a help forum?
22:26<snogglethorpe>linux478: seems like it
22:27<miksuh>linux478: just ask, don't ask if you can ask :)
22:27<linux478>how do you mount an external usb drive from command-line in knoppix live cd
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22:28<newsense>same way as any other distro
22:28<newsense>mount /dev/xxx /mount/point
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22:29<linux478>that does not make it user writable
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22:30<nihilist>you can give the user rights with chmod
22:31<newsense>nihilist, can you pass a uid= to mount?
22:31<newsense>or a gid
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22:32<newsense>i know you can set those options in udev rules not sure about mount
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22:33<nihilist>i think mount UUID=xy /mnt/test should work
22:34<newsense>i thought it would accept uid as some arguement :)
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22:36<nihilist>i haven`t tested but read. mount -U xy works also
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22:37<snogglethorpe>I use something like: sudo mount -oiocharset=cp437,uid=miles,gid=miles -tvfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb
22:38<snogglethorpe>iocharset may not be necessary, but without it in my environment, it was choosing something else by default which caused problems
22:38<snogglethorpe>(I think it affects the handling of upper/lower case etc)
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22:46<s0dhf0shf>i'm downloading a source package. which one do i want
22:46<s0dhf0shf>orig, diff, or dsc
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22:48<miksuh>If you mean that you are downloading source package of debian package, then use "apt-get source"
22:48<linux478>i am getting problem with not reconizing the uid option
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22:48<miksuh>you can download source of package using command like this: "$ apt-get source foobar"
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22:49<miksuh>where foobar is the name of package
22:49<snogglethorpe>linux478: is it a vfat filesystem?
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22:51<linux478>no ext3
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22:53<s0dhf0shf>miksuh the source package is not in the debian repos
22:53<miksuh>ah ok
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22:56<miksuh>maybe it's time to go to sleep
22:56<miksuh>it's almost 6am here :)
22:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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23:00<linux478>In the command-line program irc how do I switch windows
23:00<linux478>or tabs
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23:01<jt_>which one? irssi?
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23:01<ranix>ctrl n and ctrl p
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23:23<taziden>or alt+left and alt+right
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23:24<umarzuki>hi, i'm usng lenny amd64, can anyone tell me what caused (the last post)
23:25<linux478>why do this command not work?
23:25<linux478>sudo umount /dev/sda1 || sudo mount -t ext3 -orw,users,exec /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 && touch /media/sda1/file
23:26<linux478>the touch command does not have permission
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23:27<goodger>linux478: you need to put sudo next to the touch command also:
23:27<astronut>try -o umask=000
23:27<goodger> sudo umount /dev/sda1 || sudo mount -t ext3 -orw,users,exec /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 && sudo touch /media/sda1/file
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23:27<linux478>but I do not want to use root permisson on the touch command
23:27<astronut>try -o umask=000
23:27<astronut>gives everyone r/w access
23:28<linux478>for which command
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23:30<linux478>the whole point is to allow non-root user to write to the drive
23:30<astronut>that's what umask=000 does
23:30<linux478>touch still does not have permissions
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23:31<astronut>you need to unmount it
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23:31<astronut>since unmount || mount will unmount it and stop if it is mounted
23:31<astronut>i think you want &&
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23:32<linux478>EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=000" or missing value
23:33<linux478>that is after running just the mount command
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23:33<astronut>oh, it's ext3?
23:33<astronut>you just need to do a chmod 777 on the thing after you mount it
23:33<astronut>as root
23:33<astronut>one time
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23:34<linux478>thank you that works
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23:38<linux478>what is the command to get the user id of a file
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23:42<umarzuki>after linked object file (.so), do i need to run something?
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