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---Logopened Sun Jan 11 00:00:00 2009
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00:58<alephnull>Should command line options for kernel modules go into /etc/modprobe.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf/local ?
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01:08<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with, or note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules
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01:14<enouf>alephnull: /etc/modprobe.d/any-filename-here - or /etc/modules - but neither of those two, although the 1st one would work, it'll confuse everyone when you try to blacklist anything the Debian way, and won't work, b/c modprobe looks for that file 1st
01:14<enouf>sorry - er .. i meant; "but neither of those two you mention"
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01:17<alephnull>enouf: I see. So I should use modconf ? Though I see no way of specifying a module option ...
01:17<enouf>[clarity - perhaps] although the 1st one would work (/etc/modprobe.conf, or is it /etc/modules.conf i'm thinking of) , it'll confuse everyone when you try to blacklist anything the Debian way, and won't work, b/c modprobe looks for that file (/etc/{modprobe,modules}.conf) 1st, and debian (AFAIK) does not use them
01:17<enouf>alephnull: ^^^^
01:18<enouf>alephnull: here's a typical line from a /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia
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01:18<enouf>options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=44 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660
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01:19<enouf>alephnull: modinfo <modulename> will show you available params
01:19<enouf>alephnull: i haven't yet resorted to trying modconf
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01:19<alephnull>ok, I already have a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to blacklist and I do not have /etc/modprobe.conf. I thought that the Debian way is to use modprobe.d/
01:19<enouf>alephnull: it is, indeed
01:20<enouf>alephnull: you have no /etc/modules.conf either?
01:20<enouf>good - ok
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01:45<Mac>sorry! how to set utf-16 enviroment in debian
01:45<Mac>I knew how to set to utf-8
01:46<Mac>I have already read the Debian reference
01:47<Mac>It announces utf-16 was support in debian
01:47<Mac>Is any suggestion ?
02:00<dondelelcaro>Mac: utf16 only makes sense for a few locales; for those you just set LANG to the appropriate thing
02:00<dondelelcaro>Mac: which utf16 locale do you want to use?
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02:02<quintin>linux is 4 lusers
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02:03<goodger>nice reasoned argument there
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02:20<Supaplex>goodger: he was refering to himself? :)
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02:21<Supaplex>so it's a compliment!
02:21<goodger>Supaplex: indeed
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02:21<goodger>it's mildly annoying
02:21<goodger>people tell me "you can't run programs on linux"
02:21<goodger>when I tell them I use it
02:22<goodger>do they imagine I just sit with a black screen, listening to the fans?
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02:23<Supaplex>what do you expect from EIDIOT :)
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02:24<Supaplex>I relearn the hard way, that you don't argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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02:31<metalqga>rofl Supaplex!
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02:44<averule>enouf, i have craeted debian install cd qemu it is showing different options with Debian background but after writing same image in .iso it is not showing all optins as in directly goes in text mode installation
02:44<averule>sorry writing same image in CD
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02:52<enouf>averule: are you sure you meant i/me/moi ?
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02:53<averule>enouf, yes first screen with optin to select modes of installation
02:54<averule>in my cd it goes directly in text without taking any input from user
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02:55<fxiny>enouf: toi toi bien sure , c'est enouf the porbs eraser :P
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02:55<fxiny>enouf: !!
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02:57<enouf>fxiny: !! ;-)
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02:58<averule>enouf, what may be wrong?
02:58<enouf>averule: why do i have no idea what you're referring to? Nor do i recall you (and/or any issues you've had), offhand?
03:00<enouf>averule: make sure all dirs/files found in original ISO are also in your ISO as well - seems like you
03:01<averule>enouf, all directory are same except install folder
03:01<enouf>averule: - seems like you're missing some things - i have no recollection though of your issues
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03:04<squid>i have a quation how do deny in squid.conf access to some websites?
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03:06<fxiny>squid: ads sites ?
03:08<Mac>squid : how about iptables !
03:11<squid>better via squid
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03:18<averule>enouf,in debian install cd one soft link named as debain to . is getting created..can you please tell me how it is getting created ?
03:19<averule>is it possible to change that link name?
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03:25<enouf>averule: a '.' means the current working dir (CWD) / print working dir (PWD), man pwd - i imagine you can change it to whatever you want
03:26<averule>enouf, no i am asking when it is getting created in install cd creation time? and i can change it?
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03:29<enouf>averule: apologies, but i'm having trouble understanding what exactly you're asking
03:30<averule>enouf, let me clear first what i am doing...i am creating install cd by using debian local repository for amd64
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03:32<averule>enouf, after creating debian install cd in .iso image one softlink is getting created at some point ..that i want to know when it is generated
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03:33<averule>enouf, it is getting created at make image-trees command execution
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03:33<averule>that i got now it possible to edit link name?
03:38<enouf>i don't know averule
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03:42<slut3000>Hello everybody :)
03:43<slut3000>How is everyone going today
03:43<slut3000>I am new to this IRC thing so thaught why not join the most popular channel ;)
03:44<cahoot>slut3000: this channel is in essence a technical support channel for debian
03:45<slut3000>cahoot: Aha I see
03:45<slut3000>cahoot: can I stay here if I wish to
03:45<slut3000>cahoot: I like to stay in populated servers :)
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03:46<cahoot>of course - but if you're looking for a more 'social' event some other channel might suit better
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04:00<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to get BBC iPlayer working on amd64?
04:01<Supaplex>take it at gun point
04:01<goodger>EmleyMoor: you mean adobe flash player? yes, you can install that
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04:02<EmleyMoor>It takes more that that
04:03<fxiny>isn't bbc player avaiable for linux , now ?
04:03<goodger>EmleyMoor: oh?
04:03<EmleyMoor>I have the one from dmm anyway
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04:03<fxiny>resident only , evil :P
04:04<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Needs Adobe Air - which is currently i386 only
04:05<EmleyMoor>I'd like to get ITV Player working too but that is a different matter
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04:05<goodger>EmleyMoor: do you mean the website version or the downloader one?
04:05<snogglethorpe>x86 only stuff tends to work ok with the compat layer stuff in debian
04:05<snogglethorpe>e.g., I use the 32-bit version of skype without probs
04:05<EmleyMoor>goodger: Downloader
04:05<snogglethorpe>and the 32-bit version of flash also works...
04:05<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i see . we say here something like "from the saucepan to the braces" ;)
04:06<goodger>fxiny: english: "out of the frying pan and into the fire"
04:06<fxiny>goodger: yes ! ;))
04:12*EmleyMoor decides to try stuff
04:12*Supaplex holds adobe hostage with sabot rounds ;)
04:13*goodger advises everyone not to attempt to eat large effervescent vitamin tablets
04:13<Supaplex>minty fresh poo is a feature?
04:13<goodger>you're meant to dissolve them in water
04:14<goodger>the problem was that I accidentally swallowed one of them while sucking it, and it sat in my oesophagus for half an hour
04:14<goodger>yes. it wasn't nice at all
04:14<fxiny>goodger: waterboarding can help :P
04:15<Supaplex>~toture goodger
04:15<Supaplex>~toture goodger
04:15<Supaplex>gah. freaking keyboard.
04:15<goodger>!torture Supaplex
04:15*dpkg plucks all Supaplex's finger and toenails out, and dips them in lemon juice until Supaplex talks
04:15<Supaplex>!torture my typos
04:15*dpkg plucks all my typos's finger and toenails out, and dips them in lemon juice until my typos talks
04:15<goodger>fxiny: I tried that. the water just flowed around it, while causing it to bubble painfully
04:16<Supaplex>well, if you can still feel pain, you're not dead. yet.
04:16<goodger>...there is only one natural ingredient in these tablets :S
04:16<enouf>be thankful it didn' end up in your trachia/windpipe :-p
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04:17<fxiny>goodger: luckily waterboarding it will be illegal soon , otherwise your deadly adds-on tip will be recorded in the history of BOFH :)
04:18<goodger>citric acid, sodium bicarbonate, ascorbic acid, maltodextrin, sorbitol, orange oil, sodium cyclamate, sodium saccharine, riboflavin sodium phosphate, saccharose monopalmitate
04:18<fxiny>Supaplex: :P
04:19<goodger>Supaplex: the latest XKCD is great
04:19<Supaplex>eh. it's okay.
04:19*Supaplex is practicing indifference, it's worse than hate, because even hate requires effort.
04:20<goodger>I reckon indifference requires more effort sometimes
04:20<fxiny>Supaplex: agree , hate is a waste of energy
04:20<Supaplex>only during restraint. but you get the hang of it after awhile.
04:21<fxiny>hate sucks all energy directly from the brain
04:22<fxiny>given that the brain needs 30% of all body energy , nothing is left for thinking
04:22<Supaplex>[citation needed]
04:22<fxiny>is in the mutt manual , read it :P
04:23<Valtiel-ASD>how to set automount external flash and hdd in ntfs-3g
04:24<dpkg>somebody said pmount was "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
04:25*fxiny decides that , starting from now , any inexplicable questions are in the mutt manual
04:25<EmleyMoor>c:\windows\system32\services.exe is showing in ps for me and I have no idea why it would be
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04:26<Supaplex>EmleyMoor: wine?
04:26<Supaplex>wineserver -k
04:26<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that is possible - had some instaling trouble in wine - but never seen that before
04:26<fxiny>enouf: no porbs , wt4x , read mutt manual ;)
04:27<Valtiel-ASD>where is default config of pmount
04:27<Supaplex>in the default location
04:27<Valtiel-ASD>were mey i set a ntfs-3g default mounter for ntfs devices
04:28<frank_>how we can run Ubuntu from WinVirtual Machin's
04:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:30<dpkg>it has been said that wc is a POSIX program to count words, lines and characters. In Debian GNU/Linux, the wc program is part of the GNU textutils. Or you could be trying to close a window in irssi
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04:33<dpkg>it has been said that stl is the Standard Template Library, or
04:34<Supaplex>!msg the bot
04:34<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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04:39<salival>i'm trying to set up a crosscompiler using -- during the process dpkg complains about a missing package "libc6-dev-mips-cross" ---- however I do have "libc6-dev-mipsn32-mips-cross" but "libc6-dev-mips-cross" I can't find anywhere
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05:22<stuckey>hello themill
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05:27<stuckey>Hello I'm trying to run bittorrnado but I get this error when I try to "wxpython not installed or not installed correctly". I've installed the wxpython package and apt doesn't give any errors; could anyone ofer me some help?
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05:38<stuckey>Is anyone here?
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05:41<netsky>ça parle français ici ?
05:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
05:42<stuckey>Hello I'm trying to run bittorrnado but I get this error when I try to "wxpython not installed or not installed correctly". I've installed the wxpython package and apt doesn't give any errors; could anyone ofer me some help?
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05:44<tzafrir_laptop>stuckey, only dpkg is here
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05:44<tzafrir_laptop>stuckey, first thing I do in such cases is: apt-get install -f
05:45<tzafrir_laptop>give it another chance...
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05:51<tzafrir_laptop>stuckey_, how exactly did you try to install bittornado?
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05:57<s4br3>Hi. I can't find a way to connect my LaserJet printer in Debian with KDE 4.1.x. Please, where should I look?
05:58<umarzuki>s4br3, cups won't detect it?
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06:02<s4br3>umarzuki, it is not shown when I try to print something. I didn't touch cups yet.
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06:03<s4br3>umarzuki, I mean. The printer is not in the printers list.
06:04<umarzuki>oh...not even with lspci?
06:04<umarzuki>or lshw
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06:07<petern>lspci? for a printer? heh
06:08<tzafrir_laptop>s4br3, how is that printer connected? usb? network? parallel port?
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06:09<s4br3>It is that long flat port. Don't know its name. But the printer is oldish. 10 yrs
06:09<s4br3>LaserJet 1100
06:09<petern>parallel port then
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06:09<s4br3>It worked fine in KDE 3.5.x
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06:19<umarzuki>s4br3, can cups detect it?
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06:20<s4br3>umarzuki, it is the parallell port. But Idon't recall how to find configure cups?
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06:21<umarzuki>s4br3, try typing localhost:631 in a web browser
06:22<umarzuki>i hope it can
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06:24<s4br3>username and password?! Hmmm.
06:24<umarzuki>root and its password
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06:30<s4br3>ok, it worked fine! Thanks!
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06:52<hjb>Hi. I'm trying to install flashplugin-nonfree according to
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06:52<hjb>I've added the following line to my sources.list (on a lenny system):
06:52<hjb>deb sid flashplugin-nonfree
06:53<hjb>Is that what is meant by "Edit /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list to allow sid/flashplugin-nonfree from Debian unstable to be installed on your Debian testing system" ?
06:54<themill>hjb: are you using etch?
06:54<hjb>themill no, lenny
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06:55<themill>flashplayer-mozilla from is often easier.
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06:58<hjb>themill hmm, i've had installed that before, but there's been some critical security hole in the plugin recently, so i've removed it
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06:58<hjb>themill it was totally outdated, so i thought they doesn't maintain it well on debian-multimedia
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06:59<themill>judd: versions flashplayer-mozilla
06:59<judd>themill: flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1: lenny-multimedia: 1: sid-multimedia: 1:
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07:02<hjb>themill ok, those are the fixed versions... hmm then i'll go for it
07:02<hjb>themill btw. my sources.list line was bad, to answer myself
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07:26<stuckey>Hello I'm trying to run bittorrnado but when I do I get an error message that says "wxpython not installed or not installed properly".
07:26<stuckey>I've instaleld wxpython; could anyone offer me some help?
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07:29<Pete_B>I'm trying to upgrade a server from Sarge to Etch. I'm tidying up before the upgrade. php4-xslt has 'subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1' and gives no further description. How can I remove it? there's no Sarge repository from which to reinstall the package.
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07:32<Pete_B>php4-xslt: Depends: libsablot0c102 but it is not going to be installed
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07:33<fxiny>stuckey: try : #dpkg --configure -a
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07:34<stuckey>fxiny: Same error
07:34<stuckey>fxiny: another question: how can I tell which version of bittornado I have installed?
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07:35<fxiny>stuckey: apt-cache policy <packagename>
07:36<stuckey>fxiny: What would I do if I wanted to install an older version of bittornado?
07:36<fxiny>stuckey: try reinstalling it : apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>
07:37<stuckey>fxiny: same error
07:37<fxiny>stuckey: an older version ? apt-get install <packagename>=version
07:37<stuckey>fxiny: and if the version in question isn't in the repository?
07:38<fxiny>Pete_B: for older version browse to
07:38<Pete_B>fxiny: thanks
07:38<stuckey>fxiny: can I use that with apt?
07:39<fxiny>Pete_B: you upgrading to etch ? do you know next incoming stable , codenamed lenny , will be release soon ?
07:41<fxiny>stuckey: iirc bittornado is just one package . not 100% sure , you can double check it
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07:42<Pete_B>fxiny: I know but the mail server guide I go by (ispmail-sarge and ispmail-etch) won't be updated for Lenny for a while
07:43<stuckey>fxiny: is there a way I can display all versions in the repository with apt?
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07:43<fxiny>stuckey: are you running lenny or etch ?
07:45<fxiny>stuckey: if you are running lenny : man aptitude , also read aptitude manual
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08:00<stuckey>fxiny: I'm running lenny
08:01<stuckey>Thanks I'll look at tha manual; but I ran what you told me to "dpkg --configure -a" and I'm still getting the same problem when trying to run bittornado-gui
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08:01<stuckey>wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly---that's the error message in the console.
08:01<fxiny>stuckey: how do you run it ? what command ?
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08:02<fxiny>i remember some long and strage names for bittornado
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08:03<warmiak>halle together
08:03<warmiak>hello, sry
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08:06<stuckey>fxiny: btdownloadgui.bittornado
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08:08<warmiak>Is maybe someone there how can help me with a strange problem. I want to install 4 packages but apt-get tell me that he can't find them. Anyone here how has experienc with php installation ?
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08:10<petemc>warmiak: lots of people use php, search with apt-cache search to get the correct package names
08:11<stuckey>Hey is anyone here good with irssi?
08:11<stuckey>How do I join a channel on another network while leaving the connection to this channel and network open?
08:12<petemc> /connect
08:12<petemc> /join #bar
08:12<stuckey>I did that petemc but my probem is that when I /join #bar I get the channel #bar on, instead of on the other server.
08:12<petemc>go to status window, ctl x
08:14<stuckey>I pressed control x but nothing happened
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08:14<stuckey> Sorry, I got it now.
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08:14<stuckey>I like this client
08:14<petemc>warmiak: what packages are you trying to install?
08:15<warmiak>apt-get says after typing the follow command, apt-get install php5-domxml php-5mcal php5-pear php5-xslt that he can't find them
08:16<petemc>!tell warmiak about search
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08:21<warmiak>petemc petemc: iam allready search 4 these packages ... but he can't find them after "apt-get search php5" but i found in a lot of documentations the the packages have to be .... strang
08:22<warmiak>petemc: iam allready search 4 these packages ... but he can't find them after "apt-get search php5" but i found in a lot of documentations the the packages have to be .... strange
08:23<fxiny>warmiak: cache : apt-cache search
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08:24<warmiak>do anyone know a link for my source.list where the packages have to be found ?
08:26<warmiak>most documents have only links for sarge
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08:26<stuckey>Hello I'm trying to run bittorrnado but when I do I get an error message that says "wxpython not installed or not installed properly".
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08:26<stuckey>I've instaleld wxpython; could anyone offer me some help?
08:27<petemc>warmiak: try things like apt-cache search php5|grep pear
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08:27<warmiak>petemc: ok i will try this
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08:30<warmiak>petemc: can i use the php-pear package for php5 ? im not sure becouse the package for php4 is marked with the version number like php4-pear
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08:35<tzafrir_laptop>stuckey, I asked you before: how have you installed bittorrnado?
08:35<Pete_B>warmiak: checkout
08:35<tzafrir_laptop>apt ?
08:35<stuckey>tzafrir_laptop: Sorry, I didn't see your post. See I installed it.
08:36<tzafrir_laptop>stuckey, from standard debian repo? from a non-standard repo? from source? From some binary package?
08:37<stuckey>tzafrir_laptop: From standard Lenny repository.
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08:38<warmiak>Pete_b: ok, i will also try your link
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08:40<warmiak>petemc: pete_b: thanks a lot the problem with the pear package was fixed
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08:40<tzafrir_laptop>stuckey, bittornado-gui , right?
08:41<stuckey>tzafrir_laptop: Yes, that's what I installed, along with bittornado
08:41<warmiak>fxiny: also thanks to you ... sry that i forget to thank you
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08:46<stuckey>tzafrir_laptop: Do you have any ideas?
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08:47<tzafrir_laptop>stuckey, need to go now for a while . I suuggest you pastebin the actual and full errors you got,
08:47<tzafrir_laptop>including the commands that generated them
08:48<themill>stuckey: check the bts. There are (old) reports of people who had similar problems that they solved by reinstalling wx stuff and/or installing different versions of wx.
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08:48<stuckey>themill: I checked the bts but I didn't see any bug reports regarding wx; which one are you looking at?
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08:49<stuckey>Hello I'm getting this error: ---Any help would be appreciated.
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08:49<themill>!dbugs 354184
08:49<dpkg>DONE:#354184:N[bittornado-gui] "wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly." (moreinfo unreproducible); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:48:02 UTC []
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08:50<stuckey>themill: How'd you find that?
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08:51<themill>stuckey: at the bottom of the bts page for a package there is an option to also see "archived" bug reports
08:51<slash>i have an ati hd3650 and i have installed the propretary driver with the procedure find in but when i configure the fglxrc driver my monitor became black, i have an amd x2 5000+, anibody can help me?
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08:54<vinicius>what do i need to make iceweasel run youtube videos on amd64?
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08:55<gsimmons>slash: Which procedure on w.d.o. did you follow, specifically?
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08:56<stuckey>themill: The bug report advises one to open up a "python interpreter and enter the command 'from wxPython.wx imprt *'. How can I do this?
08:57<themill>just run "python" in your shell
08:57<stuckey>themill: What exactly is python?
08:58<slash>gsimmons: i use that
08:58<themill>dpkg: tell stuckey about python
08:58<stuckey>!dpkg: tell me about python
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08:59<slash>gsimmons: i have Debian etch for amd64 version
09:00<stuckey>themill: I did what the bug report said to do, regarding the command in python, but I'm getting an error on the python interpreter
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09:02<stuckey>themill: Bug report says that if running that gives an error I should re install python; which package is it that I need to reinstall? There are so many python packages.
09:02<themill>stuckey: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l '*wx*' | grep ^.i" and "type -a python" and "python --version"
09:05<vinicius>what do i need to make iceweasel run youtube videos on amd64?
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09:05<stuckey>vinicius: Think about using youtuble-dl
09:06<themill>!flash amd64
09:06<dpkg>it has been said that nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <> for etch packages.
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09:07<themill>vinicius: debian's flashplugin-nonfree packages for amd64 will automatically install nspluginwrapper
09:07<Lethalman>themill: how do you know about -a?
09:07<vinicius>themill, well... i tried that
09:08<themill>Lethalman: ?
09:08<Lethalman>type -a, how do you know about -a?
09:08<Lethalman>the option
09:08<Lethalman>it's not mentioned in the manpage
09:08<themill>Lethalman: it's a bash builtin -- "help type"
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09:09<stuckey>themill: I thought the flash plugin was removed from lenny?
09:09<Lethalman>themill: thanks
09:09<themill>stuckey: it is, but you can install the sid version
09:09<stuckey>themill: Why was it removed? Not secure?
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09:14<stuckey>themill: Did you get the link I sent? ?
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09:16<Pho75>hello! does anyone know why debian unstable libgl1-mesa-dri package no longer includes /usr/lib/dri/ Xephyr won't load without it. am i missing something here?
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09:20<arbu>perhaps it is included in libgl1-mesa-swx11?
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09:24<Pho75>but that removes libgl1-mesa-dri. that means i can't use Xephyr with my radeon card? how do i make it use then?
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09:37<stuckey>Hello---Could anyone tell me how I can re install my version of python?
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09:38<riccardo>where are you from?
09:39<arbu>@stuckey --reinstall (apt-get)
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09:39<stuckey>arbu: I know, but I don't know which package I need to select... there's like 1000 python packages.
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09:40<stuckey>Okay I'll go with python-wxgtk2.6
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09:41<arbu>what is broken? the python interpreter itself or a lib?
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09:42<stuckey>arbu: I was trying to run btdownloadgui.bittornado but everytime I do it says "wxpython isn't installed or isn't isntalled correctly"
09:43<stuckey>But I think I"m about to just give up on this as I aven't hbeen able to get it to work
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09:43<simonrvn>apt-cache search wxpython ...
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09:45<stuckey>Is anyone here familiar with ABC_OKC, ABC Tribler, ABC LH, BTQueue, or Rufus?
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09:50<stuckey>Would anyone tell me how I can install BitTornado 0.3.15?
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09:53<witte>stuckey: aptitude install bittornado
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09:53<witte>stuckey: i am not sure about the version number on your debian
09:53<witte>version, but that should do the trick
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09:55<stuckey>witte: it's a more recent version in the debian lenny archive... I need an older one.
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09:57<stuckey>witte: I need to use an older version.
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09:58<stew>stuckey: /msg dpkg sdn ; /msg dpkg ado
09:58<stuckey>hallo louis
09:58<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
09:58<stuckey>Oh, haha Sorry
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09:58<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
09:58<stuckey>Spricht man Deutsch da?
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09:59<louis>no only dutch
09:59<stew>stuckey: english only in here please
09:59<stuckey>Sorry stew
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10:15<stuckey>stew: How would I use those archives to install something? Can I use apt with this?
10:16<metalqga>dpkg -i *.deb
10:16*dpkg removes a lung from metalqga and replaces it with *.deb
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10:16<stew>stuckey: yea, you'd use apt
10:17<karim>is there a way to control grub remotely
10:17<stuckey>stew: I've never done this before; could you give me a little more information?
10:17<karim>remotely on the netowork
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10:18<azeem>stuckey: you never used apt?
10:18<stew>stuckey: go to, put 'bittornado' into the search box and hit the search button, it will give you something to put into sources.list, run "aptitude update" then "apt-cache policy bittornado" will list avaiable versions
10:18<stuckey>I've used apt but never with
10:19<stuckey>Okay thanks...
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10:20<stuckey>stew: then I install the version I want with apt-get install bittornado=version ?
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10:22<icyo>Hi, i'm searching the model name of net adapter on a working machine, I can't stop it neither open it. I've tried ethtool without success. witch tool could help me?
10:23<icyo>(it's an 2.4 kernel)
10:23<cahoot>icyo: try lspci
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10:23<icyo>no luck either
10:23<icyo>machine info only no human-readable
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10:24<icyo>(samething for lspci -v)
10:24<stuckey>stew: okay I did that, so now how do I run the program?
10:24<stew>icyo: how is the adapter atached to the machine?
10:24<icyo>not installed and can't install it
10:24<arbu>icyo: lspci will show you a vendor and product-id.
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10:24<icyo>but how can I know wich is wich
10:24<icyo>thx i'll check this
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10:25<stew>stuckey: iirc you'd run "btdownloadcurses" or "btdownloadgui" or "btdownloadmanycurses"
10:26<stuckey>stew: It shows up in /usr/bin but when I try to run it I see "No such file or directory"
10:26<stew>stuckey: what does?
10:27<stuckey>For example... there's programs with the word "bittornado" in them in /usr/bin, but I'm not able to run them.
10:27<stuckey>There isn't anything in my path related to bittornado
10:27<stew>stuckey: /usr/bin isn't in your path?
10:27<stuckey>Yes but nothing related to bittornado
10:28<stew>stuckey: bittornado files are in /usr/bin and /usr/bin is in your path, so how can you say that there isn't anything in your path related to bittornado?
10:28<stew>stuckey: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
10:28<stuckey>Stew because I can't locate or run anything that is bittornado
10:28<stuckey>stew: Which command should I be running to launch bittornado in a gui?
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10:28<stew>stuckey: but you said you did locate something that was bittornado
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10:29<stuckey>stew: it's in /usr/bin, or, it shows up when I run "locate bittornado".
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10:29<stew>stuckey: sounds good
10:30<stuckey>stew: So how do I use this program exactly?
10:30<stew>stuckey: which program is that?
10:30<stuckey>bittornado version 0.3.15
10:30<stew>stuckey: it comes with multiple programs, i've listed at least 3 so far
10:31<stuckey>There's no manual entry for bittornado
10:31<stuckey>How do I use this thing?
10:31<azeem>stuckey: you can run "dpkg -L <package> | grep bin" to see what binaries are in a package
10:31<stew>stuckey: "dpkg -L packagename | grep man" would show you the manpages it installed
10:32<stuckey>stew: Yep, no man pages.
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10:33<azeem>stuckey: what does "dpkg -l bittornado | tail -1" say?
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10:33<dpkg>one warez list being sent to riccardo19871
10:33<stuckey>azeem: It says that it's version 0.3.18-8...
10:33<azeem>stuckey: please paste the line
10:33<stuckey>Which I find interesting because I opted to install version 0.3.15
10:34<dpkg>one warez list being sent to riccardo19871
10:34<zobel>azeem: still in MG?
10:34<azeem>zobel: nope, in FFM
10:34<azeem>coming back tomorrow morning
10:34<azeem>stuckey: "rc" means "removed"
10:35<stuckey>Oh okay then, no worries.
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10:37<zobel>azeem: ah, i thought we could go and drink a beer, but okay.
10:37<stuckey>azeem: I'm trying to install version 0.3.15
10:37<stew>stuckey: why do you want such an old version?
10:37<stuckey>Required for a tracker I want to use.
10:38<azeem>zobel: too bad
10:38<azeem>I wanted to visit parents while I was in the area, and had no accomodation in MG anyway
10:38<azeem>zobel: how about Tuesday evening maybe?
10:38<stuckey>stew: I've sucessfully installed the older version and run it now,it shows up in my path---thank you for your help.
10:39<zobel>azeem: ina is coming back on Tuesday evening :(
10:40<zobel>well, :)
10:40<zobel>but for drinking beer :(
10:40<stuckey>stew: and here's the error I'm now getting:
10:40<azeem>zobel: then tomorrow?
10:41<zobel>when being back from customer in cologne, yes.
10:41<zobel>bzed: lust auf nudeloper?
10:41<azeem>ok, let's see tomorrow then
10:41<stuckey>azeem: Do you know anything about this error?
10:43<stew>stuckey: looks like its buggy. it should have depended on a python-wx* package. you can try installing one, or you could use the curses version instead of the gui version
10:43<azeem>bittornado-gui depends on wx*
10:43<stuckey>Which python-wx* package should I install?
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10:44<SigilPhoenix>hey guys, I've just installed debian on my eeepc (with the modified installer) and I'm having some issues with hal that I can't seem to solve in the #debian-eeepc channel
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10:44<SigilPhoenix>notably, this error: "Starting hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed"
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10:45<SigilPhoenix>any ideas?
10:45<stew>SigilPhoenix: try running "bash -x /etc/init.d/hald start" instead, which will tell you where it fails
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10:45<stuckey>stew: Which python-wx* package should I install?
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10:45<stew>SigilPhoenix: err i guess it should be "bash -x /etc/init.d/hal start"
10:46<azeem>stuckey: you already asked that
10:46<stuckey>I forgot to address it to stew.
10:46<stew>stuckey: i don't know. the bittornado package should have depended on one. i guess the old package doesn't work with a current debian
10:46<azeem>stuckey: try installing the bittornado-gui package of the same version, if there is one
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10:46<stuckey>azeem: already did that
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10:47<azeem>stuckey: what does "dpkg -l | grep python-wx" say?
10:47<stew>stuckey: you should expect that these packages from will be buggy and unsupported
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10:48<stuckey>stew: I'd run rTorrent if I could.
10:48<azeem>stuckey: probably you're out of luck, I suggest you try the non-gui programs instead
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10:48<SigilPhoenix>stew: what am I looking for in this output??
10:49<stew>SigilPhoenix: if you put it into a pastebin we can help better. but you should see what it was doing right before it exits with the error code
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10:53<stew>SigilPhoenix: hmm, that's it?
10:53<SigilPhoenix>that is it...
10:53<SigilPhoenix>which is odd :S
10:54<stew>SigilPhoenix: try running "/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes" and see if an obvious problem comes up
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10:56<SigilPhoenix>i get one error, but i was told it was harmless in the eeepc channel: "Unable to open /proc/mdstat: No such file or directory"
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10:58<stuckey>Does anyone know of a way to encrypt /boot?
10:59<fxiny>it makes no sense
10:59<SigilPhoenix>any ideas stew?
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11:00<fxiny>and anyway i think truecrypt plays with something like that
11:00<stuckey>fxiny: As I understand truecrypt doesn't allow the encryption of /boot. Perhaps you could explain why it doesn't make sense to encrypt /boot?
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11:01<c-0-r-e>hey hey hey
11:01<c-0-r-e>any photoshop expert here?
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11:02<bzed>c-0-r-e: wrong channel.
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11:02<c-0-r-e>yea i know :p
11:02<c-0-r-e>bzed, can you tell me where should i go?
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11:02<bzed>stuckey: ecrypting /boot is not really possible as you need to stuff in it to decrypt your disk
11:02<glax>Hi guys, does debian etch support hot-swap for hd and power supply?
11:02<fxiny>stuckey: truecryot does some "hidden os encryption" , what you want to encryt in boot ?
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11:03<stuckey>fxiny: Someone was asking me if it's possible to encrypt /boot in linux; I don't know exactly why the want to do this nor do I know anything about encryption as I've never done it before.
11:03<stuckey>So it's not possible to encrypt /boot in linux?
11:04<fxiny>stuckey: add one more : an ext3 /boot partition makes no sense at all
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11:04<stuckey>fxiny: I'm not following...
11:04<fxiny>stuckey: dig into it
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11:05<Txt-file>some cuda-user here? I want to install cuda 2.1beta on debian sid but there is no official package from nvidia
11:05<stuckey>fxiny: So esseitnallyit doesn't make any sense to encrypt /boot?
11:06<fxiny>stuckey: you want to encryt data , any data : /home swap /tmp /var/tmp and so on
11:06<stuckey>fxiny: So in short, there's nothing in /boot to encrypt?
11:07<petern>there's nothing secret in it
11:07<fxiny>stuckey: you can check : ls /boot
11:07<arbu>stuckey: you need a kernel to decrypt a filesystem. so the kernel can not be encrypted itself.
11:07<fxiny>stuckey: and you don't need a journaled fs like ext3 for boot
11:08<stuckey>fxiny: What sort of filesystem is /boot?
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11:08<fxiny>stuckey: for dedicated /boot partition ? ext2
11:08<newsense>dont need ext3 for /tmp either
11:09<newsense>ext3 is just ext2 with a journal
11:09<newsense>you can remove the journal and have an ext2
11:09<stuckey>What's a journal do?
11:10<newsense>what does it sound like it does ?
11:10<newsense>keeps a journal on the goings on of the filesystem
11:11<newsense>im not sure if thats a technical explanation or not but journaling filesystems dont need to be fschked if ya loose power oyr such
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11:14<fxiny>it keeps a journal so if power goes off you still have your old files
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11:15<SigilPhoenix>anyone have any idea about my hal problems?
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11:15<stuckey>fxiny: So in order for a filesystem to be encrypted it has to be ext3? (or it can't be ext2)
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11:16<fxiny>stuckey: say you plan a partition scheme like this : /boot /home / and swap . use ext2 only for boot
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11:17<newsense>and /tmp if ya got a seperate /tmp
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11:17<fxiny>stuckey: your kewrnel is loaded in memory so if power goes off there are no open files in /boot to be recovered
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11:18<stuckey>So the only way that someone could encrypt /boot is threw some sort of seperate hardware?
11:18<azeem>stuckey: why do you need to encrypt /boot anywa?
11:18<cahoot>why would one encrypt /root?
11:18<cahoot>err /boot
11:18<stuckey>azeem: Someone asked me about this...
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11:18<azeem>stuckey: eh
11:18<stuckey>cahoot: That's my question
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11:19<newsense>tell tham its stupid than
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11:20<stuckey>newsense: why is this stupid?
11:21<newsense>fxiny told you already
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11:21<newsense>what are you trying to hide ?
11:21<stuckey>Because you've to have a kernel to decrypt the encryption?
11:21<stuckey>I'm sorry but I've no knowledge of encyrption...
11:21<newsense>and that
11:22<newsense>google is your best friend
11:22<newsense>i had no knowledge of a lot of things but i have it now and i didnt troll around irc saying "but i dont know"
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11:23<newsense>theres a difference in not understanding a certain feature of a technology and knowing nothing of it at all
11:23<fxiny>stuckey: nope . keys are in / not in /boot
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11:24<azeem>stuckey: if it is not your problem, please don't waste the channel resources on it
11:24<stuckey>azeem: I find this topic worth of discussion, as it has to do with Linux. This channel isn't just for "problems", it is for the discussion of topics related to Debian and Linux.
11:25<newsense>and fxiny answered your question, i dont think hes going to give a lecture on encryption
11:25<newsense>are you fxiny ?
11:25<newsense>ill get a notebook and some pens for notes
11:25<stuckey>You might learn something.
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11:26<newsense>i learn everyday i read
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11:26<azeem>stuckey: it's not, it'sss a support channel
11:26<fxiny>stuckey: as azeem said is a waste , i did it cause i was bored and i wanted to have fun cloning my etch . nothing more then that . i can tell you an etch luks encryted systrem wotrks like a charm but this is not a surprise being a debian system :)
11:27<newsense>ii installed logcheck and was getting all kinds of log entries i didnt want to see, guess what i had to read some mans to learn the syntax for regular expressions
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11:27<newsense>it made no sense but i kept reading and now i know how to do what i need to
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11:28<fxiny>newsense: me ginvign a lecture ? i picked up bit and pieces for . the only thing i did was wearing a lateral thinkig hat and instead of starting a new install from scratch i cloned my etch
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11:29<fxiny>that was fynny
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12:01<fxiny>newsense: if you try cloning/encryption and you have problems , feel free to ask me , maybe in off-topic
12:02<newsense>ok cool ive been delaying it havent dont any research on it and have my important data on removable media right now
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12:03<newsense>man everyones either at church or watching football if they are american
12:03<stuckey>I hate football
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12:05<scorpio28>i am not an american
12:05<scorpio28>so we are here
12:06<chenz>how does dpkg determine if a config file is obsolete?
12:06<chenz>as in: dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obsolete
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12:15<kmoffett>I'm having a hard time getting the testing-netinst partman to detect pre-existing filesystems on my software RAID volumes
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12:16<kmoffett>I needed to use some funny options to mdadm to create v1.0 superblocks instead of the normal v0.98, as well as some extra options to mke2fs to appropriate configure the stride size and stripe width
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12:17<kmoffett>Is it possible to manually mount all my filesystems on /target and then tell the installer "Hey, don't bother with that partitioning step... I did it already"?
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12:18<newsense>so im reading that luks is the upcoming linux encryption standard, anyone using it and recommend it ?
12:18<kmoffett>newsense: I'm using it on my laptop
12:18<OdyX>newsense: I use it, no problem so far.
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12:19<kmoffett>newsense: I have /boot on a normal partition and everything else as LVM-on-crypto
12:19<newsense>cool theres a few options i didnt know what to go with than i sen some google links pointing to luks
12:19<kmoffett>newsense: That's one area that the debian installer seems to cover pretty well
12:19<newsense>cool i want to get a laptop and i will do the same
12:20<scorpio28>you may use debootstrap to install debian on mounted partition
12:20<newsense>right now i just want to encrypt a thumb drive
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12:20<kmoffett>scorpio28: I wasn't sure what was different between debootstrap and the actual full debian-installer
12:21<newsense>heh cant find luks
12:21<kmoffett>newsense: apt-get install cryptsetup
12:21<newsense>haha i ws searching for luks
12:22<kmoffett>newsense: then cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/my_usb_key
12:22<kmoffett>newsense: there are some other options for specifying the encryption algorithm you want to use, but it should be pretty straightforward
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12:22<scorpio28>differents exist
12:23<kmoffett>scorpio28: I've got the full installer already running and all my partitions mounted on /target, I just need to skip past the "Partition disks" step
12:23<fxiny>cryptsetup -y -s 256 -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 luksFormat /dev/ice
12:23<newsense>luks encrypted drive would be accessible on windows os too right
12:24<kmoffett>scorpio28: But if I try to run "Install the base system", it gripes at me and tells me to go back to "Partition disks"
12:24<kmoffett>which then unmounts all the partitions I just mounted
12:24<scorpio28>a lot of preconfiguration scripts miss if you ll do it trough debootstrab
12:24<fxiny>you want truecrypt for that
12:24<scorpio28>like networking and boot loader
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12:24<newsense>fxiny, ok thanks, theres not a debian package for it is there in lenny ?
12:25<newsense>!info truecrypt lenny
12:26<fxiny>newsense: you mean etch ? last time i compiled it on etch
12:26<newsense>im running lenny
12:26<scorpio28>as i understand there are not any possibilities to make repartitioning?
12:26<newsense>yeah no package
12:26<newsense>ive got contrib and non-free sources
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12:27<scorpio28>i - on my work - use luks, but i made new partition table when i was installing
12:28<fxiny>luks rocks
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12:28<fxiny>one pass at boot , ba breeze
12:28<newsense>not a big deal i doubt ill ever need to access the information on a windows pc anyways guess ill just partition it and use luks to encrypt an ext3 partition and leave a seperate vfat partition for anything i might need to access from another os
12:29<Winol>Hi Guys ! In Ubuntu we have a "add/remove applications" in the Applications Menu , is it possible to have the same for debian ? cuz i want to remove some packets of my debian actually but i don't know their names
12:29<newsense>i believe thats what ubuntu uses
12:30<newsense>only used ubuntu once a while ago when i had them ship me like 40 cds haha
12:30<Winol>thanks newsense i'll try that
12:30<newsense>no problem
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12:31<fxiny>40 ? ask for RW next ;)
12:31<newsense>too bad they didnt use cd-rw media or id have them send me 40 more
12:31<scorpio28>Winol: also adept
12:32<stuckey>how can I back up the entire /home directory?
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12:32<newsense>cp ~ /backup/dir
12:32<fxiny>home is the only partition i never back up
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12:33<scorpio28>stuckey: sequential or on-line
12:33<stuckey>what's the difference?
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12:34<Winol>adept ?
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12:34<Winol>scorpio28, what is adept ?
12:34<scorpio28>the 1st one will do backup if you change file immediately
12:35<scorpio28>the 2nd - by cron
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12:36<scorpio28>adept - package management suite for KDE
12:36<scorpio28>but i use synaptic
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12:44<renatokrause>i haved study linux much weeks
12:44<renatokrause>because my windows is fuck
12:44<newsense>study english much ?
12:44<renatokrause>and i dont go back to it
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12:44<renatokrause>newsense, sorry my english...
12:45<newsense>im just being a funny guy excuse me continue
12:45<renatokrause>newsense, thats incredible but i try to write my better
12:46<renatokrause>i continue
12:46<themill>renatokrause: if you would be more comfortable asking in Portugeuse, you can ask in #debian-br.
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12:46<renatokrause>i ask in my language and dont answer at now
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12:47<renatokrause>i boot with livecd
12:47<renatokrause>and up the disk with ntfs-3g
12:47<renatokrause>its lauch a error
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12:47<renatokrause>i fix with ntfsfix
12:47<renatokrause>and can mount with force
12:48<renatokrause>i put all the important files in a directory and delete all other
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12:48<renatokrause>the partition is unique
12:48<renatokrause>i think use gparted but my question is:
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12:49<renatokrause>how create a new partition to install linux without loose the files in the folder? i cant defrag the ntfs filesystem in linux?
12:50<stuckey>Does btdownloadcurses allow the selective downloading of files? Or does bittornado?
12:50<cahoot>sounds like you really want to make a backup on some other media first renatokrause
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12:51<drasko>hi all
12:52<drasko>I have a problem to see the http content via my wireless connection
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12:52<renatokrause>cahoot, ok, i will do but will be a long time. "my days in livecd operation system". very thanks for you attention.
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12:52<drasko>however, I can ping, and apparently I can approach the chat. Any ideas where to check?
12:53<cahoot>renatokrause: getting a new hd for linux isn't an option?
12:53<renatokrause>drasko, lspci?
12:54<cahoot>drasko: not simply a dns problem?
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12:54<drasko>renatokrause, dunno, same settings used to work yesterday
12:54<drasko>how to check
12:55<cahoot>drasko: if dns is the problem you can ping ip# but not address
12:56<drasko>I ping
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12:56<stuckey>Is there an open source driver for the nVidia 9800GT?
12:56<renatokrause>drasko, read: man iwconfig?
12:56<cahoot>drasko: ok disregard me
12:57<renatokrause>low signal?
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12:57<drasko>renatokrause, maybe, because same settings used to work yesterday
12:57<drasko>let me check
12:58<drasko>Quality:2/5 Signal level:-70 dBm Noise level:-12 dBm
12:58<renatokrause>you work alone? but anybody can change anithing too.
12:58<drasko>It is my home PC
12:58<gsimmons>stuckey: Yes.
12:58<stuckey>gsimmons: Where can I find more info about it?
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12:59<stuckey>Does it work well?
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12:59<drasko>how to check if maybe some ports are closed or forbidden?
13:00<gsimmons>stuckey: There's 2D support for the G92(a,b) in lenny's nv Xorg driver.
13:00<stuckey>gsimmons: Oh so no 3d support?
13:00<renatokrause>u use dhcp?
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13:01<gsimmons>stuckey: No. I doudbt nouveau are that far ahead as yet.
13:02<jalonso>how do I copy the contents of one directory to another directory through the terminal
13:02<stuckey>gsimmons: Where can I find out more about it?
13:02<drasko>renatokrause, yes. Apparently, when I connect to the service by provider (via network interface), there is no content in the browser.
13:02<stuckey>jalonso: cp -r /source /destination
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13:02<gsimmons>stuckey: man nv; /msg dpkg nouveau
13:03<jalonso>stuckey: so that will just copy the contents in the folder?
13:03<stuckey>jalonso: and everything in them
13:03<renatokrause>drasko, try: telnet 80
13:04<jalonso>stuckey: thank you, I have this linux pocket guide, but it's not very clear on how to do that
13:04<drasko>renatokrause, I connect to the hotspot first, and when I fireup browser I have providers login screen to connect to their network. but when I connect, no more traffic in browser.
13:04<drasko>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
13:05<renatokrause>u browser dont point to other network interface?
13:05<drasko>dunno. How to check this?
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13:10<hazard2>is it possible to create an interface alias that isn't capable of multicast?
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13:15<drasko>I connect to the wireless hotspot first, and when I fire up browser I have providers login screen to connect to their network. but when I connect, no more traffic in browser. Any Ideas? How to check if some ports have been closed or forbiden (because this port for irc is apparently working)?
13:19<newsense>try to trace the route and see where the packets go and stop
13:19<newsense>drasko, at a hotel ?
13:19<drasko>newsense, similar
13:20<drasko>newsense, how can I do this?
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13:20<newsense>i used to do support for a company that supported wifi hotspots to hotels and they had a similar login screen, we had a firewall that would block www access if there was suspicious activity which might be irc triggering it or such
13:21<newsense>theres no phone number for support on the redirect ?
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13:21<And1>Hey folks. I'm having a problem with rsnapshot. When I run it, my remote-directory is deleted, then my local data is backuped (old/updated files only) and then rsnapshot download all data from my remote host. Any ideas, why rsnapshot does that?
13:21<drasko>there is, but they do not work tonight ;)
13:21<drasko>newsense, and I wanted to check if I have been firewalled as you say, because I suspect on this.
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13:27<drasko>how can I follow the packets route and obtain information where packets go and stop?
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13:30<newsense>the equiptment i wworked with cleared firewall after the mac blocked was disconnected for 10 minutes
13:30<newsense>so if you disconnect wait ten minutes and connect with no other ip applications sending data you might check again
13:30<newsense>its not arescom is it by any chance just curious ?
13:31<drasko>nope, I am in Paris, it is some french provider,
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13:31<drasko>It disconnected me yesterday
13:31<drasko>still nothing
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13:34<drasko>It blocks when I connect, so I suspect that my MAC is blacklisted, as you say. But it took really long, one whole day, and it is weekend, so I can not call support (which in France works almost never) and I just want to prove my suspicions and check if I have been blacklisted. So what would be the best way to do this? How can I follow packages to see where they stop and if I am blocked?
13:35<ranix>drasko: just ignore the problem and tunnel your http packets through ssh
13:36<ranix>drasko: use SOCKS or something
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13:36<drasko>ranix, can you give me some help with that, I never used this?
13:36<drasko>what is SOCKS?
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13:37<ranix>this is more info than I can easily relate
13:37<drasko>ranix, I have no network
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13:38<ranix>drasko: what browser do you use
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13:38<drasko>ranix, Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at
13:38<ranix>ssh -D 9999 username@ip-address-of-ssh-server
13:38<drasko>It sees just page load error
13:39<ranix>then go to iceweasel's options, and network, proxy settings
13:39<ranix>pick socks v5, set port 9999, and go to town
13:39<drasko>ranix, which ssh server?
13:39<ranix>drasko: every nerd has ssh access to a bunch of machines scattered around the globe
13:39<ranix>drasko: use one of yours at home or at work or something
13:40<drasko>OK, let me try
13:40<ranix>drasko: if it doesn't work, try a low port like 17
13:40<ranix>drasko: they might block say every port over 50 or something
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13:41<drasko>ranix, thanks. Is there some anonymus ssh server that I can use for this?
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13:42<ranix>drasko: no, the idea is to have a computer or router at home/work running linux, or own a webserver account with SSH access or something
13:42<ranix>drasko: I don't think you can get free shell accounts anymore in this day and age
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13:43<ranix>drasko: bsd or osx would work fine as well
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13:45<c-0-r-e>drasko, do you want shell?
13:45<drasko>c-0-r-e, yes, please
13:45<c-0-r-e>ssh access... but this is gonna cost you :s
13:45<ranix>i'm in ur SOCKS host, sniffin ur packets
13:46<drasko>ranix, ?
13:47<fxiny>soldman&socks ?
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13:48<renatokrause>a question
13:48<renatokrause>this: debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso
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13:48<renatokrause>is the estable version to install by internet?
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13:50<renatokrause>nobody know?
13:50<Tijuas>Tired of niigggers and their general monkeyshines? Then join the multiracial alliance against the golliwogs, darkies, jigaboos, etc! Chimpout welcomes Asians, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, Jews, non-negroid Hispanics, and anybody else that isn't negroid. The Alliance of Humans vs Niiiggggers
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13:51<ranix>!mods Tijuas is spamming and trolling simultaneously
13:51<dpkg>okay, ranix
13:51<ranix>blast I thought that was the command to alert admins
13:52<fxiny>ranix: !ops
13:52<ranix>ah thx
13:52<Tijuas>no...just sharing info
13:52<ranix>!ops Tijuas is spamming and trolling simultaneously
13:52<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: Tijuas is spamming and trolling simultaneously
13:52<Tijuas>stfu ranix
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13:52<Tijuas>i am doing this on contract
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13:53<meoblast001>ranix: what was that
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13:54<renatokrause>now, anybody know what the iso is the installer by the internet of estable version?
13:54<meoblast001>ranix: when dpkg reports to ops, i get the signal as well because one of the ops nickname is my last name
13:54<ranix>meoblast001: that is silly
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13:55<meoblast001>ranix: yeah.... i've seen that happen twice in here
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13:57<newsense>is cryptsetup what the debian installer uses to create encrypted partitions ?
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13:58<weasel>or the equivalent
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13:59<renatokrause>encrypt partitions with the openPGP is a good idea
13:59<newsense>if i wanted to encrypt my partitions now would i have to boot from a live cd to do it or reinstall ?
13:59<weasel>do you have sufficient space to copy stuff around?
13:59<weasel>reinstall certainly is easier
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13:59<newsense>yeah i got about 120G
13:59<newsense>to play with that is
14:00<newsense>didnt need any encryption when i installed but i could use it now
14:00<weasel>create a new root partition, encrypt it, copy stuff onto it, make it bootable - that might be documented somewhere, done.
14:01<newsense>ok yeah im going to research it more im looking at luks documentation now
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14:01<newsense>just wasnt sure if you could even encrypt the root fs as the key would reside on that and the kernel would need to access it correct ?
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14:02<newsense>i think i need to read into the internals of how the process is executed
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14:04<weasel>the key you enter when booting.
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14:04<weasel>however, the kernel and initrd need to remain unencrypted - usually on an unencrypted /boot partition
14:06<newsense>what if i dont have a seperate /boot partition
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14:06<fxiny>just / ?
14:07<newsense>yeah / /home /tmp /usr /var
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14:07<newsense>boot resides on /
14:07<weasel>make one.
14:07<petern>then / has to be unencrypted
14:07<fxiny>cp /boot in a partition
14:08<newsense>yeah i guess i could resize a partition without having lvm right
14:08<newsense>sorry never had to go back and make any changes to a partition ever
14:09<newsense>got no free space left but if i could resize a partition and throw a little space /boot's way
14:09<fxiny>that's what i've done , i deleted a partition and made three new one
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14:09<newsense>hey could throw boot on a usb stick or sd card even better idea
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14:10<newsense>yeah i guess it is now that i think about it more
14:10<newsense>i dont like it either :P
14:13<enouf>well, once booted fully, and the kernel is loaded into memory, couldn't you even umount /boot?
14:13<fxiny>enouf: you back ?
14:13<enouf>the kernel can't be swapped either
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14:14<enouf>fxiny: si señor ;-)
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14:15<enouf>oh, wait, or is what i'm thinking of, mounting /boot ro only or something
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14:15<enouf>fxiny: well, not in full force, but in full spirit :-)
14:16<fxiny>enouf: yeahhhh
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14:18<newsense>when you have encrypted partitions when you boot do you have to enter your password to unencrypt them or how does that work ?
14:18<newsense>fxiny, im still waiting on that lecture :)
14:18*newsense thinks its going to be a few more hours of reading before i even think about executing any of this
14:18<newsense>fxiny, but basically if someone tried to boot off a live cd and mount my drives which were encrypted theyd have no luck correct ?
14:18<newsense>well thats the point of enccryption so id assume yes
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14:20<fxiny>newsense: they are encrypted
14:20<newsense>sorry thats what i meant
14:20<newsense>im going to make a new partition on a thumb drive and test it out before i use it on my drives
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14:21<fxiny>newsense: go to for tutorials , you can find two , one is about lvm
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14:22<newsense>fxiny, thanks im going to do that because as of now i dont know if its even going to be worth doing it now, might have to start from scratch
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14:22<newsense>i knew i should have used lvm to start with :)
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14:23<fxiny>newsense: you read 'em. try encrypting a partition and mount it , then if you want to clone it instead of starting from scratch lemme know , we can go in off-topic
14:23<newsense>or at least have been a little less generous when i used all leftover disk space for /home
14:23<fxiny>not today :)
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14:24<newsense>ok cool im in no rush i usually dont start a project like this and finish it the same day i need a lot more research, from what ive learned here and web reading theres still a lot more i dont get
14:24<fxiny>i believe having a full working system and installing from scratch an encrypted one , is tedious
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14:25<fxiny>of course the installer rocks
14:26<newsense>yeah im backing up while im reading so whichever route i choose ill be prepared
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14:28<newsense>anyone know off hand the number for ext3 in cfdisk ? or do you just create ext2 than add a journal ?
14:29<drasko>How can I follow packages route to see where they stop and which ports are blocked?
14:29<weasel>newsense: you don't add filesystems in cfdisk.
14:29<weasel>drasko: tcptraceroute, maybe?
14:29<newsense>err partition type
14:29<weasel>how about "Linux"
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14:33<drasko>weasel, how can I use tcptraceroute to get a list of opened ports? I suspect I am firewalled on http traffic...
14:34<newsense>if you want to see open ports use nmap
14:34<petemc>can nmap test ports along hops?
14:35<newsense>its a network scanner meant to scan large networks multiple addresses and such
14:35<petemc>drasko: man tcptraceroute
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14:37<drasko>petemc, did this already, and do not understand... I typed tcptraceroute -i eth1, and it gave me line 1 ( 8.568 ms 9.943 ms 10.669 ms. I have no idea what to conclude on this and how to see which ports are opened and which are closed.
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14:38<petemc>drasko: -p
14:40<drasko>tcptraceroute -i eth1 -p 8080 gave me line like this: 1 ( 1.415 ms -12.962 ms 1.965 ms. Is this supposed to be good or bad? Still no traffic visible in my browser
14:41<drasko>newsense, I do not have nmap on my system
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14:42<newsense>its a nice application
14:42<fxiny>use netcat
14:42<petemc>drasko: it should say if its open
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14:44<drasko>petemc, and if not? it says nothing, like in my case?
14:44<Junior>hi friends
14:44<Junior>first sorry english
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14:44<Guest11>i need talk about about etch netinstall.
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14:50<libereco>Guest11, do you need to talk about it?? or you have been problems with it???
14:50<stuckey>Does anyone know what to do with .r00 files? I've got this movie with like .r01 r.02, etc.
14:51<stuckey>I think there's a program that convers these to avi but I can't remember the name of it ...
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14:51*stuckey thanks ranix
14:51<newsense>im reading the documentation for cryptsetup and im coming to the conclusion that i have to setup the container first, wth is the container ?
14:51<newsense>keep seeing docs on creating it but
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14:51<newsense>is this a special file that will hold my key ?
14:51<newsense>unrar not the free one
14:52<stuckey>Is there a free one? If so I'll gladly use that...
14:52<Guest11>my home pc have a big problem and decide install debian because i read about netinstall and the facility about installations
14:52<Guest11>i will install by netinstall
14:52<Guest11>and for up the graphical interface im think: apt-get install xorg
14:53<Guest11>is right?
14:53<Guest11>and the apt-get install kde
14:53<Guest11>its work?
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14:53<stuckey>newsense: Is there a free alternative to unrar?
14:55<cahoot>doesn't worl on most 'liberated' sw
14:55<ranix>stuckey: apt-get install unrar unp
14:55<ranix>unp foo.rar
14:55<stuckey>ranix: I'm uninstalling unrar as it's not free... what's unp though?
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14:56<ranix>stuckey: it will read the file headers and report to you which unpacking program you need if the input file is a compressed file type
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14:56<stuckey>ranix: that's awesome
14:56<ranix>stuckey: if you already have the unpacking program it executes that for you
14:57<ranix>stuckey: it's pretty rad
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14:57<stuckey>ranix: I'm downloading unrar-free; using it instead.
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14:58<s3a>how do you do sin-1 in debian scientific calculator (i only see sin)
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14:59<RenatoKrause>can i select the packages to install in debia in command line?
14:59<cahoot>aptitude install <pkg>
14:59<s3a>RenatoKrause, apt-get install "packagename"
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15:00<stuckey>unoh, unrar-free failed; looks like I'm back to unrar-nonfree
15:00<RenatoKrause>s3a, and for get the list of "packagename"?
15:00<christoph>Hi all! anyone an idea how to get the colored output while booting as it's in knoppix?
15:00<newsense>but it wont do multirar archives
15:00<newsense>never heard of it either
15:00<newsense>Description: unpack (almost) everything with one command
15:00<newsense>sounds sweet thanks ranix
15:00<newsense>only reason i can see to use the nonfree would be if you had multi-rar archives
15:00<s3a>RenatoKrause, can u rephrase ur question plz?
15:00<newsense>i use free myself, only multi-rars i ever came across were warez
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15:02<RenatoKrause>s3a, i will install all packages in my Debian with the Debian netinstall now. Im in livecd now.
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15:02<stuckey>Does anyone know how to use unrar?
15:03<stuckey>unrar *.r00 doesn't work
15:03<RenatoKrause>then i need know where look for the packs for install a grapich interface
15:03<avu>stuckey, it's unrar x <file>
15:03<avu>stuckey, man unrar
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15:03<newsense>think ya choose the .rar and itll extract the rest
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15:04<s3a>RenatoKrause, im not familiar with a Debian netinstall live cd but what i told u is how to install programs when you have ur system installed
15:04<stuckey>Thanks avu
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15:05<newsense>RenatoKrause, install whatever gui you want if gui=wm or dm
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15:05<RenatoKrause>newsense, i look for, propably is kde
15:05<newsense>RenatoKrause, try aptitude install kde
15:06<RenatoKrause>s3a, and how u choose what package you will instal?
15:06<newsense>or for a kde base install kdebase
15:06<RenatoKrause>newsense, i dont need install xorg before?
15:06<newsense>its a depend of kde
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15:06<RenatoKrause>newsense, aptitude is like apt-get?
15:06<newsense>its a preffered front end to apt
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15:07<RenatoKrause>newsense, and i can list the many types of kde in a list?
15:07<newbie>Çäðàâñòâóéòå, ñðàçó ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ, ò.ê. â èðêå ÿ ïåðâûé ðàç. Åñòü âîïðîñèê ïî Debian, ìîãó ëè ÿ åãî çäåñü çàäàòü?
15:07<zobel>what should that be? turkish?!
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15:08<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
15:08<s3a>if you want lets say iceweasel do apt-cache search iceweasel to find the exact PACKAGE name (which it is) then you'd type su then enter your password then apt-get install iceweasel
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15:08<s3a>RenatoKrause, if you want lets say iceweasel do apt-cache search iceweasel to find the exact PACKAGE name (which it is) then you'd type su then enter your password
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15:08<s3a>RenatoKrause, im gonna go eat now
15:08<RenatoKrause>s3a, ok, thanks boy
15:09<RenatoKrause>aptitude, oh yeah!
15:09<s3a>RenatoKrause, o wait
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15:09<s3a>RenatoKrause, then after entering your password you do apt-get install iceweasel
15:10<s3a>i dont no y it didnt show b4
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15:10<RenatoKrause>s3a, i will install a browser after the install the GUI
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15:11<RenatoKrause>newsense, very thanks man! i will work with aptitude;
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15:18<newsense>is it normal for a new 256mb ext3 partition to be using 18mb, is that the journal taking up most of the 18mb ?
15:19<newsense>my lag is gone finally
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15:20<RenatoKrause>newsense, gnome is good?
15:20<newsense>not in my opinion
15:20<newsense>its all up to what you like
15:20<RenatoKrause>kde is better?
15:21<newsense>in my opinion yes "i use kde"
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15:21<tommy179>wie installiert man vmware ?
15:21<RenatoKrause>i like the interface that optimize my time spend
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15:21<newsense>i used gnome and enlightenment and fvwm and xfce and all of em you should try a few see what you like
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15:22<newsense>look at screenshots to give you an idea of the ui
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15:22<Tuplad>how do I check if my sound is being used by an other device?
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15:22<Tuplad>by an other program I mean.
15:23<And1>How du I chmod a file to "prwxrwxrwx"?
15:23<newsense>its easy 4 is read 2 is write and 1 is execute
15:23<RenatoKrause>newsense, kde 4 like good. can install it in netinstall?
15:24<RenatoKrause>select kde 4 in aptitude?
15:24<newsense>if you want read execute add 4 and 1 so 5
15:24<newsense>RenatoKrause, i wouldnt but if thats what you like
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15:24<And1>newsense: Thanks. But how do I do the "p"? =)
15:24<RenatoKrause>kd4 is not estable yet?
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15:25<stew>And1: that means its a named pipe, not a regular file. you'd make one with mkfifo
15:25<newsense>it is stable i guess 4.1 or such is
15:25<And1>stew: Ah ok, thanks.
15:25<newsense>oh thats what he meant
15:25<RenatoKrause>newsense, why u wouldnt?
15:25<Tuplad>after I've updated amarok, it won't start, gives me this error in console:
15:25<Tuplad>what can I do ?
15:26<newsense>RenatoKrause, please quit harassing me
15:26<newsense>read some info
15:26<newsense>!tell RenatoKrause about kde4
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15:27<newsense>RenatoKrause, if your interested in what i run ill sell ya this hunk of junk :)
15:27<newsense>RenatoKrause, im joking not being mean
15:27<Tuplad>how do I check if my sound is being used by an other program ?
15:28<newsense>lsof i guess
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15:28<RenatoKrause>newsense, no thanks, sorry the incoming and very thanks. will be good.
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15:28<stew>Tuplad: fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp
15:29<Tuplad>stew: that's it :D thanks!
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15:30<newsense>i dont know why i always suggested using lsof guess fuser is better
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15:31<newsense>stew, fuser basically does the same thing as lsof right ?
15:31<marioalves>como ouvir radio online?
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15:35<oigres>Is there a way to "protect" a package in order not to upgrade it (e.g package A is in stable and rest of computer is in testing). This because when i do apt-get upgrade package A tries to go to the testing version ... Tx
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15:36<gsimmons>!tell oigres -about hold
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15:38<astronut>oigres: set it to hold using dpkg-setselections
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15:38<astronut>ex: echo <pkgname> hold | --set-selections
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15:38<astronut>err, add a dpkg after the pipe
15:39<oigres>astronut: Tx, I'll do this!
15:39<oigres>gsmimmons: Tx mate!
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15:47<stuckey>Hey does anyone know where I can find out about different window managers?
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15:47<astronut> comes up on google
15:48<stew>stuckey: "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" in the "Reverse Provides" section
15:50<matth>I'm desperatly looking (on sid) for gnome-print-manager. wasn't it such binary for printer configuration on the gnome desktop ?
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15:51<stuckey>stew: do you know of a place where I can find more info about them, with like screenshots and what not?
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15:52<enouf>stuckey: pretty sure that "apt-cache search x-window-manager" will list many of them, then run show pkgname on each
15:52<enouf>stuckey: astronut pointed at one such place
15:52<stew>stuckey: i don't, try astronut's link
15:52<stuckey>astronut: thanks!
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15:53<enouf>stew: nice list, the Reverse Provides
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15:55<stuckey>What window manager do you use?
15:55<matth>any hint on where the gnome printer manager is hidden ?
15:56<jrabbit>you mean CUPS?
15:56<jrabbit>jsut use CUPS
15:56<matth>no I mean the gnome frontend that shows you your cups state
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15:57<matth>jrabbit: I was using that to tell my application where they can find the remote cups printer
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15:59<matth>mmh looks like it is not needed anymore
15:59<matth>still I now need to open a browser for viewing the state of the queue
15:59<matth>liked the little applet
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16:26<mike>hey can anyoen tell me how to get the codec for flv ?
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16:43<astronut>if i'm running gnome-obex-server, how do i make myself discoverable?
16:44<johns>what is the hciconfig hci0 output?
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17:00<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
17:01<dpkg><scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good
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17:03<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
17:03<dpkg><Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it
17:03<goodger>astronut: thank you for not flooding the channel
17:03<weasel>dpkg: tell astronut about selftell
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17:18<@Ganneff>goodger: do NOT do that
17:18<zobel>goodger [] requested CTCP VERSION from #debian:
17:18<goodger>that got sent to the _channel_?
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17:19<goodger>whoops. sorry
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17:21<zobel>goodger: yes.
17:21<goodger>what a stupid thing for it to do
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17:43<somae>I accidentally deleted the partitions on my debian drive using fdisk - I haven't repartitioned or formatted - is there a way to restore the drive?
17:44<yoyocyclist>Hello anybody - i need to know if there is a way to block a url in firefox in hardy? I want to keep a url from opening in firefox.
17:44<run0>yoyocyclist: add the hostname/ip to your hosts file pointing at
17:44<stew>yoyocyclist: ask #ubuntu on
17:45<gsimmons>somae: Try using either gpart or testdisk.
17:47<yoyocyclist>i am not a techie. I will try.
17:48<somae>gsimmons: I have gparted - I don't know exactly the size of the partitions - does gparted have something that could detect the sizes of the deleted partitions?
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17:48<gsimmons>somae: gpart != gparted
17:50<somae>gsimmons: when I started up gparted it didn't see the old partitions as far as I could tell
17:54<weasel>they should still be in /proc/partitions, right?
17:56<jrabbit>I've had soem situations where I had to go in and fdisk about
17:56<somae>weasel: you mean on the drive?
17:56<jrabbit>and then on reboot it finally took the partition table once I had moved the partion off a corrupted block
17:57<weasel>on the running system.
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18:00<somae>jrabbit: you mean just guess and set some partitions without formatting and see if it'll boot?
18:00<blarson>Using bash with file name completion on, how do I get a literal tab character into the command line?
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18:01<jrabbit>somae: well i don't know I had a psecial issue
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18:04<vinicius>i just did a clean mysql server install.. but it didnt ask for a password of the root user...
18:04<vinicius>shall i purge it
18:04<jrabbit>I believe starting mysql as root will prompt for you to set it
18:05<vinicius>jrabbit, i tried mysqlaccess -u root
18:05<vinicius>jrabbit, it says no permission to set it
18:05<jrabbit>are you root?
18:05<vinicius>jrabbit, yes
18:05<jrabbit>as in in the shell
18:05<jrabbit>yeah purge it
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18:06<vinicius>jrabbit, ok.. so it asks for me to remove the databases or not... does the debian-information-something database has something to do with this password? :p
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18:08<vinicius>jrabbit, it seems to be
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18:08<vinicius>jrabbit, i tried twice, and only when removing all databases it worked :p
18:08<stroyan>blarson: You could use a character replace such as "r<tab>" in vi mode.
18:08<vinicius>jrabbit, nothing so important at least...
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18:17<blarson>stroyan: I use emacs mode.
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18:18<blarson>For my immediate use, I wrote a shell script.
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18:18<mib_r9kfdvxn>hello people, could someone please explain to me the following commands in more details and more importantly why i need todo them before i "chroot" a partition???? i have already looked online and run "man mount" but i am still a lil confused "mount -t proc none /mnt/ubuntu/proc" and "mount -o bind /dev /mnt/ubuntu/dev"
18:19<stroyan>blarson: You can use <ctrl>v<tab> for tab in emacs mode (or use $'\t" as a tab character.)
18:19<stroyan>Oops $'\t' works better. ;-)
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18:22<blarson>stroyan: Thanks
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18:36<themill>dpkg, qotd0
18:36<dpkg>qotd101 is, like, <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all
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18:55<kop>I saw that one of my boxes updated the zaptel package. It's running etch and got security updates. So, I went to and tried to click on the changelog and the patches links and get, basically 404. Is there somewhere else I can look?
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18:56<kop>I want to see why the package updated.
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18:57<abrotman>did your kernel get updated?
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18:58<themill>kop: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> will have the changelog and/or install apt-listchanges.
18:58<abrotman>kop: there was a DSA for the zaptel package
18:59<themill>kop: tends not to have the changelogs for (a) recent uploads and (b) security uploads.
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18:59<abrotman>!tell kop about dsa
18:59<kop>Thanks found it.
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19:02<kop>themill, abrotman : So (assuming I don't want to just look at /usr/share/doc/foo/) what's the web-way to get to security patches for a particular package? Scanning the recent dsas at is sorta ok, but I'm interested in sending people a link to monitor particular packages.
19:03<abrotman>kop: subscribe to the DSA RSS feed ?
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19:03<themill> will tell you that the package has changed, just won't have the changeleog
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19:05<kop>abrotman : I'd like some series of clicks starting at that I can refer clients to when I tell them I've updated particular packages. Inidividual DSAs are eventually what they want to look at, but they don't really want to look at them. They feel all warm and comfy if there's a list of dsas/patches/whatever when it comes to a particular package.
19:05<abrotman>kop: is probably out of date ..
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19:06<kop>themill : Yes. I noticed a big red [security] at the end of the heading ifor zaptel. Is that the kind of change your talking about?
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19:06<themill>yes. that and the changed version number
19:06<abrotman>kop: you can also use apt-listchanges i'd imagine .. but you want some web interface?
19:07<kop>abrotman : It'd be nice.
19:07<themill>apt-listchanges can email you the changes. Harvest the emails and stick them on a web page.
19:08<valdyn>kop: something like ?
19:08<themill>(apt-listchanges can show you the changelog in your browser if you want, too)
19:08<abrotman>kop: eventually the changelog will get to packages.d.o .. but it's not there now
19:09<abrotman>for example .. .. which had a security update a couple of weeks ago
19:09<themill>security stuff often takes until the next point release, doens't it?
19:09<kop>Maybe I just wait for to get updated. How long does that take?
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19:10<kop>valdyn : That might be enough, but it's overload. A per-package list would be nice.
19:10<abrotman>themill: the avahi DSA came after r6
19:11<themill>abrotman: ahh... maybe that one's solved then... istr it used to take weeks to months. Or maybe it just seemed like it.
19:11<abrotman>however the one for xterm from 13 days later is MIA
19:11<kop>I'm particuarly interested in kernel packages, because those mean reboots and that means that people pay attention and want to know what's happening.
19:12<abrotman>kop: create a page for your clients to reference that pulls the DSA RSS feed
19:12<themill>kop: or stick the apt-listchanges output on a web page. That should be easy enough to knock up.
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19:13<kop>abrotman : I've never worked with rss feeds. It would poll? What sort of intervals would be required to ensure that nothing was missed?
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19:13<abrotman>it checks every so often .. you can configure that .. and pulls the updates
19:13<kop>It seems like if I want something I'll have to hack something together.
19:14<abrotman>kop: if it's easier .. there is a package to convert an RSS feed into an IMAP box
19:15<kop>abrotman : Might as well have apt-listchanges mail then.
19:15<abrotman>okay :)
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19:16<kop>oipunx : Hello.
19:16<oipunx>anyone succesful in getting an analog tv tuner to work?
19:16<kop>So, out of curiousity. Why does it take so long for packages.d.o to update?
19:16<kop>!tell oipunx -about ask
19:17<abrotman>kop: that'd be a question for the people that maintain it .. which we're not
19:17<oipunx>i got a hauppage wintv-dvr 1800 and it works in windows but cant get analog to work on deb
19:17<abrotman>#debian-www might know
19:17<oipunx>that's really annoying
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19:17<kop>abrotman : But the Internet knows everything! ;-)
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19:17<abrotman>kop: it might, but finding it can be a challenge :)
19:18<chealer>kop: what do you mean by "so long"?
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19:18<abrotman>chealer: the DSA changelogs don't seem to be automatically on there when the DSA is published
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19:18<southafrikanse>hello. I've donwloaded a theme from Gnome-look and it comes with the .emerald extension. I've installed compiz to install the theme but I'm unable to find the place to set up the theme
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19:19<kop>chealer : We were just saying that the changelist on packages.d.o was not updated when I want to go look at why a package got a security update. (We as in "it's not there and I asked why not and people said, well, it takes some time and nobody knows why or how long.)
19:19<kop>oipunx : You need to say what you did, what you expected to happen, and what happened if you want someone to tell you why it's not happening.
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19:26<oipunx>well all the drivers/firmware loaded just fine
19:26<oipunx>since this is kernel .26
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19:26<oipunx>and i followed exactly how says to test the card
19:27<oipunx>and i also tried to use mythtv, freevo, and mplayer
19:27<oipunx>and tried to scan for frequencies with dvbscan, w_scan
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19:27<oipunx>but it wouldnt pick up any station
19:28<kop>oipunx : What version of debian are you running and what test did you run that failed? (I got some card to work once, but have since forgotten everything.) How do you know it does not "pick up any station"? I got help on the mythtv irc channel when I had problems, although someone might know here too.)
19:29<oipunx> 2.6.26-1-amd64
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19:29<oipunx>it wouldnt pick up any stations when scanning
19:30<oipunx>step 2
19:30<valdyn>oipunx: and your antenna is ok?
19:30<oipunx>it's analog cable
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19:30<oipunx>i tried it on windows and it worked just fine
19:30<valdyn>oipunx: dvb certainly is not analogue
19:30<oipunx>right but u can scan for analog frequencies
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19:31<valdyn>oipunx: frequencies are frequencies, they are not analog either
19:31<valdyn>oipunx: read dmesg output before and while its scanning
19:32<oipunx>k hold on
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19:32<oipunx>nothing, no error
19:33<oipunx>WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
19:33<oipunx>>>> tune to: 111000000:8VSB (tuning failed)
19:33<oipunx>that's what it gives when im scanning with (dvb)scan
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19:33<oipunx>and w_scan too
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19:38<valdyn>oipunx: wrong/broken driver or wrong/broken hardware
19:38<valdyn>oipunx: or firmware
19:38<oipunx>firmware loaded just fine
19:38<oipunx>and hardware worked just fine in windows
19:39<valdyn>oipunx: are you scanning as root?
19:41<oipunx>not w/ root
19:41<oipunx>i mean still nothing
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19:50<svk>Hi, my CD/DVD drive seems to have stopped working after a recent "apt-get upgrade"
19:51<svk>Here's some seemingly relevant bits from dmesg:
19:52<svk>mplayer just says "Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd"
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19:53<svk>I've tried with several different media, so I don't think bad media is the problem
19:53<svk>Any ideas?
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19:54<ricekrispy>what manf/model is the drive?
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19:54<abrotman>bad CD/bad drive/bad DMA setting
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19:54<svk>From dmesg, [ 3.472107] hdc: SONY DVD RW DW-U18A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
19:55<abrotman>just because the kernel sees the drive doesn't mean it's functioning properly
19:55<svk>It worked fine just a few days ago, and I've not rebooted since that
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19:57<ricekrispy>well, my first recomendation is just to reboot
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19:59<svk>Huh, really? Okay, will try that and come back if it doesn't work
19:59<ricekrispy>call me a windows user, but 99% of the time rebooting seems to help, if not fix it
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20:00<svk>It tends to solve my Windows problems but not my Linux ones :)
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20:03<drakeb>can anybody give me some hints on how to use reprepro. It seems not to want to use the Debian DVD that i have to create the repository
20:04<oipunx>anyone w/ idea?
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20:05<oipunx>for the tv tuner
20:05<ricekrispy>tv tuner? just got on, whats the problem?
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20:05<oipunx>i coudlnt get analog to work for debian
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20:06<oipunx>it works on windows
20:06<oipunx>and i tried everything that linuxtv said
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20:06<oipunx>and other programs like myth, freevo etc but still wont get any channel
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20:08<ricekrispy>well, what exactly "doesnt work", does the device appear at all?
20:08<oipunx>yeah firmware/drivers loaded fine w/ kernel .26
20:08<oipunx>it just wont pick up any channels when scanning
20:09<ricekrispy>hm, anything interesting in the dmesg output?
20:09<oipunx>no errors when scanning
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20:10<oipunx>just compalaining that "tuning failed"
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20:11*phorce1 needs to bring a dish to the new office to play with the dvb-S card again.
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20:11<chealer>abrotman, kop: oh, sorry maybe because it's not built everywhere
20:13<ricekrispy>oipunx: well, im out of ideas, other than google
20:13<abrotman>chealer: not the case
20:13<oipunx>yeah lol i been looking
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20:15<oipunx>i would use digital but they say u'd have to get a 400$ box before u can hookup in the dorms
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20:45<SigilPhoenix>hey guys, was in here lsat night with a problem but couldn't solve it, going to try giving it a second shot
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20:47<SigilPhoenix>hal won't start on my machine, I've looked at the --deamon=no --verbose=yes output and running the command "bash -x /etc/init.d/hal start" - none report anything out of the ordinary
20:48<ricekrispy>the process doesnt show up?
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20:50<ricekrispy>SigilPhoenix: how do you mean "won't start"? does the process not show up, something else doesnt recognize that its running?
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20:56<mike>hey when i go to play a flv through myplayer i get an error " error opening/intializing the selected video_out (-vo) device
20:56<mike>can someone help me fix this?
20:57<mike>nvm it works now
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20:58<vikki_r>glad we could help
21:02<ricekrispy>i dont get on #debian much, is it always this busy?
21:03<ricekrispy>thats what i thought
21:03<SigilPhoenix>ricekrispy: I'll just grab the actual error message for you
21:03<SigilPhoenix>"Starting hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed"
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21:05<SigilPhoenix>ricekrispy: any ideas?
21:05<simonrvn>ricekrispy: can be busier
21:06<simonrvn>the scrolling starts to lag my irssi....
21:06<ricekrispy>hm? oh sry, reading something, lets see...
21:06<ricekrispy>anything troubling from dmesg?
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21:10<ricekrispy>SigilPhoenix: hello?
21:10<SigilPhoenix>dmesg | grep "hal" returns: "ath_hal: module licence 'Propietary' taints kernel.
21:11<ricekrispy>why dont you just run a 'dmesg | tail' and see what pops up
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21:12<SigilPhoenix>nothing in there that relates to hal
21:12<SigilPhoenix>nothing remotely troubling either
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21:13<ricekrispy>any hal(d) processes running? (ps ax | grep hal)
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21:15<SigilPhoenix>i just ran bash -x /etc/init.d/hal start and I seem to have gotten some interesting output, i'll pastebin it - i did this last night but it didn't return what i'm seeing now O_o
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21:18<ricekrispy>Can't start Hardware abstraction layer - detected chrooted session
21:18<ricekrispy>ja, just about to point that out
21:19<ricekrispy>so....youre in a chroot?
21:19<SigilPhoenix>apparently... =S
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21:22<ricekrispy>how are you in a chroot and still running everything? whatever, that should be easy enough to fix
21:22<simonrvn>what happens when you ^d ? shell logout, or another shell? ;p
21:23<SigilPhoenix>okay, try this:
21:23<SigilPhoenix>shell logout
21:23<ricekrispy>whichever, if its a login shell, itll log you out. but if its a non-login shell, it just closes the shell
21:23<ricekrispy>not sure exactly what the diff is in this case, actually
21:23<SigilPhoenix>in that case, the shell just closed
21:24<SigilPhoenix>regardless, running from a non chrooted session:
21:24<ricekrispy>looks like it works
21:24<SigilPhoenix>except it doesn't...:S
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21:26<SigilPhoenix>whenever i run apt-get i still have "7 not fully installed", 6 of which depend on hal and the seventh being hal
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21:26<SigilPhoenix>everytime it tries to configure them, it fails setting up hal
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21:27<SigilPhoenix>it fails setting up hal
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21:27<SigilPhoenix>whenever i run apt-get i still have "7 not fully installed", 6 of which depend on hal and the seventh being hal <- to requote.
21:27<ricekrispy>something go wrong during install/upgrade?
21:28<SigilPhoenix>was a fresh install yesterday
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21:28<SigilPhoenix>during tasksel i selected nothing, then installed lxde after reboot
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21:29<SigilPhoenix>i had this on my last install as well
21:29<SigilPhoenix>seems to only happen when i put debian on this machine
21:29<ricekrispy>really? odd, you check the cd for errors?
21:29<SigilPhoenix>ubuntu seemed to have no problems
21:29<SigilPhoenix>live image from a usb
21:29<SigilPhoenix>md5sum checked out fine
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21:30<ricekrispy>try 'apt-get -f install', see if that works
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21:32<ricekrispy>does the same exact image on that usb work on any other computers?
21:32<SigilPhoenix>same error
21:33<SigilPhoenix>haven't tried it on any other pcs yet, as its the eeepc image (installing on a 701) - the reason I'm not asking in the debian-eeepc channel is because i already have and they couldn't figure it out
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21:34<SigilPhoenix>there is nothing in the bug reports nor other reported cases of this happening to other eee's, one guy in the channel even reinstalled his debian to his 701 while this was happening and it worked fine
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21:34<abrotman>you guys can call ops if there's a problem like above
21:34<ricekrispy>well, what id do is first write down names of the pkgs that depend on hal
21:34<craigevil>SigilPhoenix: did you try the #debian-eeepc channel SynrG knows alot
21:36<ricekrispy>then run 'apt-get --purge remove hal<or whatever the exact pkg name is>'
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21:36<ricekrispy>then run an apt-get install to reinstall it (and other pkgs)
21:36<SigilPhoenix>as I said, i was in there, SynrG didn't seem interested =S
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21:36<craigevil>abrotman: wow i didnt even see all that crap
21:36<craigevil>SigilPhoenix: i would reinstall ive had debian on my 701 since last Feb with no problems
21:37<tjfontaine>such flooding is meant to be taken care of by irc ops, please reach us in #oftc if the ones who lurk here aren't awake
21:37<SigilPhoenix>i had thought of that ricekrispy but lxde-core and lxde are two of the packages that are not fully installed
21:37<SigilPhoenix>i'm not sure what purging them would do...unless of course it is safe to do so
21:37<abrotman>tjfontaine: you mean people actually watch that channel? :)
21:37<tjfontaine>abrotman: I hope so
21:37<SigilPhoenix>craigevil: I would, but this has happened on 3 installs of debian on this 701 now
21:37<ricekrispy>purging remove extra files (config file mostly)
21:38<craigevil>using the debianeeepc installer?
21:38<SigilPhoenix>each time i've redownloaded the image and checked the md5sum
21:38<SigilPhoenix>so i have no clue why it refuses to work
21:39<SigilPhoenix>tjfontaine: except given that my DM is lxde, is it actually safe to purge lxde and lxde-core??
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21:41<SigilPhoenix>ah, lol - the extra traffic confused me
21:41<craigevil>i would reinstall and choose standard , or rather than using the debianeeepc img install using the normal debian method
21:41<SigilPhoenix>sorry krispy - would it be safe to purge lxde and lxde-core?
21:41<ricekrispy>SigilPhoenix: your lxde settings would be stored in your home folder, and i dont think the purging would come near that
21:42<ricekrispy>but if you want to be doubly sure, you could back up your .lxde folder or whatever it is
21:42<SigilPhoenix>okay, well since it is a fresh install i suppose even if it does wipe those settings it isn't a major loss
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21:43<ricekrispy>also, im not sure that the --purge option applies to packages other than ones manually specified
21:43<SigilPhoenix>it does >_<
21:44<SigilPhoenix>is telling me its going to remove all 7
21:44<ricekrispy>oh really? my mistake
21:44<ricekrispy>the purging? or removing?
21:45<craigevil>is apt-get working for you? you might try reinstalling hal libhal1 and maybe even libc6, if hal isnt working something is majorly messed up
21:46<SigilPhoenix>apt-get is working
21:46<SigilPhoenix>although on that note aptitude isn't...
21:46<SigilPhoenix>aptitude just hangs...
21:47<SigilPhoenix>interesting: rmdir: failed to remove '/var/cache/hald': directory not empty
21:47<abrotman>using a pastebin would really be a help
21:47<SigilPhoenix>that was the only thing that came up actually >_> everything else just removed fine
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21:48<ricekrispy>well, thats why we have rm -rf
21:48<SigilPhoenix>true, except this was apt-get, not me
21:49<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: what's the problem you're trying to solve?
21:49<SigilPhoenix>get hal working >_<
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21:50<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: use a pastebin to show us the errors that are appearing
21:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:50<chealer>kop: it looks like the pacakge needs to be accepted in stable proposed updates.
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21:53<chris_>i have a question about getting X to work on a laptop
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21:53<ricekrispy>SigilPhoenix: any progress installing hal?
21:53<chris_>my question being, it didn't automatically work so how do i go about making it work.
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21:53<SigilPhoenix>i reinstalled it, same error
21:53<chris_>or does anyone know of any programs to do any autodetection / configuration
21:53<SigilPhoenix>not sure how to go about reinstalling libhal1 and libc6
21:54<SigilPhoenix>as trying to remove them is going to wipe the entire OS
21:54<craigevil>apt-get install --reinstall
21:54<SigilPhoenix>thank you
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21:58<chris_>this is the place to ask questions about debian right?
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21:59<craigevil>what didnt work ? and autodetection for what
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22:00<chris_>well with the defautl setup X windows doesn't start because of error
22:00<chris_>i'm guessing its something to do with the fact that its on a laptop
22:00<chris_>by "autodetection" i mean some kind of program that attempst to setup X for you
22:00<chris_>obviously something that might work better than the debian installer
22:00<chris_>which i'm sure is great, but didn't set it up right
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22:02<SigilPhoenix>thats after reinstalling libhal1 and libc6
22:03<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: put a `set -x` on line 2 in the /etc/init.d/hal .. and then run `dpkg --configure -a` .. and paste the output again
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22:04<craigevil>chris_: try dpkg- reconfigure xserver-xorg , what video card ati/nvidia/intel ?
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22:04<chris_>i gotta go for now. if you have any ideas that you want to email me send them to otherwise i'll probably check back sometime
22:04<abrotman>craigevil: dpkg-reconfigure
22:04<chris_>Mobile Intel 945 Express Chipset Family
22:05<chris_>according to hardware device manager in windows
22:06<craigevil>ooops bad typing sorry :)
22:06<chris_>i'll try that
22:06<chris_>but have to go for now
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22:06<chris_>is there an easy way to save the output from this chat ?
22:06<abrotman>copy and paste
22:07<craigevil>intel should just work, unless xorg didnt get installed
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22:09<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: you're installing lenny ?
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22:10<SigilPhoenix>abrotman: yes, its what the debian-eeepc installer installs
22:10<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: if you run "start-stop-daemon --start --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/hal/ --exec /usr/sbin/hald --" manually .. what happens ?
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22:13<SigilPhoenix>erm...nothing obvious
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22:13<SigilPhoenix>no output
22:14<abrotman>`ps aux | grep hal` .. is it running ?
22:14<SigilPhoenix>it takes about 30 seconds to run the command then just returns me to the prompt
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22:14<SigilPhoenix>root 5933 0.0 0.1 3116 708 pts/2 S+ 14:14 0:00 grep hal
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22:15<abrotman>try again, take out the --quiet
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22:16<SigilPhoenix>sorry, what am I trying again??
22:16<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: if you run "start-stop-daemon --start --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/hal/ --exec /usr/sbin/hald --" manually .. what happens ?
22:16<abrotman>just take out the --quiet
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22:16<abrotman>uhm .. there's no --quiet in yours ..
22:17<abrotman>oh duh .. only happens in a different start
22:17<abrotman>erm .. different place
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22:17<SigilPhoenix>okay, so what am I doing now then?? =P
22:17<abrotman>and if you just run `/usr/sbin/hald` ?
22:19<SigilPhoenix>30 seconds, no output
22:19<SigilPhoenix>ps aux | grep hal returns what it did before.
22:20<abrotman>strace it
22:20<abrotman>strace /usr/sbin/hald
22:21<SigilPhoenix>bear with me, have to install strace first
22:22<abrotman>oh .. that's not going to be a happy party
22:23<SigilPhoenix>oh god, so much output O_O
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22:24<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: or you can ask the eeepc channel :)
22:24<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: how did you install hal ?
22:24<SigilPhoenix>well, i did initially
22:24<SigilPhoenix>couldn't find a solution in there
22:24<SigilPhoenix>debian installer
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22:26<abrotman>so the isntaller totally bombed on this?
22:26<abrotman>or it finished and you had a running system and then you did a ________ ?
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22:27<SigilPhoenix>from what I remember, i used the installer, selected nothing at tasksel and then the installer finished
22:27<SigilPhoenix>i booted the system
22:27<SigilPhoenix>hal appeared to start correctly
22:27<SigilPhoenix>i ran apt-get install lxde
22:27<SigilPhoenix>and since hal has been on the fritz
22:28<SigilPhoenix>last install i had i selected desktop environ, laptop and standard at tasksel, and on first boot hal fritzed
22:28<SigilPhoenix>i think it managed to start the first time with this install but I can't quite recall
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22:29<abrotman>so you've done it more than once?
22:30<SigilPhoenix>the previous install was from a couple months ago
22:30<SigilPhoenix>this was a fresh install yesterday (sorry, 3 fresh installs yesterday after having my internet cut out once and a mirror problem the second time)
22:30<abrotman>yay .. child dying
22:31<goodger>any particular child?
22:31<SigilPhoenix>i hope you can interpret that strace, i sure as hell can't
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22:31<abrotman>try again but with -f
22:32<abrotman>strace -f /usr/sbin/hald
22:32<abrotman>if it works
22:32<SigilPhoenix>oh god...
22:32<craigevil>have you tried reinstalling xandros? with that many problems it sounds more like a weird hardware issue
22:32<SigilPhoenix>i think i may have to increase my scrollback memory....
22:32<SigilPhoenix>well, two of the install yesterday has their reasons for failing
22:33<SigilPhoenix>so far my problems consist of 1) hal is a bitch, 2) aptitude is a bit weird...
22:33<SigilPhoenix> much of this output do you want abrotman??
22:33<SigilPhoenix>its at least a thousand lines...
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22:34<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: last 100 lines or so
22:34<SigilPhoenix>i could try putting eeebuntu back on it and see if that works, it did last time without any issues
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22:35<abrotman>but lenny should also
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22:37<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: grep 6074 in that file .. paste the whole thing
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22:37<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: wait .. are you saving the straces ?
22:37<SigilPhoenix>no, but I will now
22:38<abrotman>i won't know the number for the PID to grep .. see the one that exits badly
22:39<SigilPhoenix>can i safely assume i want to grep the PID of the process that gets detached?
22:41<SigilPhoenix>the last one reported that is
22:41<SigilPhoenix>and, i may be retarded, but > out1.txt doesn't seem to like me...another way to save the strace?
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22:43<abrotman>oh just paste the whole file
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22:45<SigilPhoenix>using -o just gives me usage for hal for some reason
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22:45<abrotman>i think it's -O
22:45<abrotman>uhm .. wait
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22:46<abrotman>no .. -o outputfilename
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22:46<SigilPhoenix>i thinks the -o is an option for the /usr/sbin/hald call...
22:46<SigilPhoenix>i just get usage help
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22:47<abrotman>put it before that
22:47<abrotman>like .. strace -f -o foofile /usr/sbin/hald
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22:54*abrotman wonders where SigilPhoenix went ...
22:55<SigilPhoenix>had to feed the cat
22:56<SigilPhoenix>easiest way to send you the text file?
22:57<SigilPhoenix>if you want to deal with the absolutely massive pastebin
23:01<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: your /var/cache/hald/fdi-cache doesn't exist, but i'm not sure if that should be fatal
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23:02<abrotman> .. seems similar
23:04<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: i've got to hit the sack, but that strace would be useful to other people
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23:07<SigilPhoenix>thanks for the help
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23:08<abrotman>SigilPhoenix: that bug mentions backing up the /var/cache/hald/fdi-cache file to something else .. then trying again
23:11<SigilPhoenix>except mine doesn't exista??
23:12<abrotman>that's what the error log seems to imply .. you can try it
23:12<abrotman>ls -l /var/cache/hald/fdi-cache
23:12<SigilPhoenix>i dont know what I should do though, what am I backing up if it doesn't exist?
23:12<SigilPhoenix>no such file or directory
23:13<SigilPhoenix>in /var/cache/hald there is only one thing
23:13<abrotman>whatever builds that file is dying
23:13<abrotman>anyways .. must sleep!
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23:14<SigilPhoenix>what on earth builds that file...
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23:22<craigevil>SigilPhoenix: the file has a ~ on the end? you could try renaming it and removing the ~ and see what happens cant be any worse than it already is
23:22<SigilPhoenix>yea, will try now
23:22<SigilPhoenix>is there another version of hal i could possibly try installing??
23:23<SigilPhoenix>that bug recommends a downgrade could work
23:23<craigevil>what does apt-cahe policy hal show
23:23<SigilPhoenix>0.5.11-8 is the only entry in the version table
23:24<craigevil>thast the same version thats in testing and sid
23:24<SigilPhoenix>thats the version i have installed...
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23:24<SigilPhoenix>that means there is no other i can downgrade too?
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23:25<craigevil>etch is probably too old to downgrade it would want to downgrade things like libc6
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23:25<craigevil>i would love to know why it doesnt work for you, ive had debian on my 701 since last feb with no issues
23:26<SigilPhoenix>so would i :(
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23:26<SigilPhoenix>every time i've installed debian on this thing it happens
23:26<SigilPhoenix>ubuntu is fine though :S
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23:27<craigevil>as much as i cant stand ubuntu i would say use what works for you
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23:28<craigevil>did you install using wireless or wired?
23:28<SigilPhoenix>renaming that file appears to have worked....WTF!?
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23:29<newsense>is it normal withencrypted lvm to have the lvm group not found twice at boot than dropping to a password prompt
23:29<SigilPhoenix>i couldn't go back to ubuntu lol....hate hate hate hate
23:29<newsense>just curious about the group not being found
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23:31<voraistos>Hi. Do you know if there are any good scripts/solutions for me to automatically backup mysql and files to ftp ?
23:32<voraistos>server is running debian of course, and i was wondering if I could use some sort of rsync to ftp.
23:32<voraistos>Bandwidth is not an issue.
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23:35<newsense>anyone here using encrypted lvm and getn error message complaining the lvm group cant be found twice than getting dropped to the password prompt ?
23:36<alephnull>voraistos: You might want to take a look at backup-manager
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