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00:03<tosi>how can i share files between another computer on my network that uses windows
00:04<newsense>sure can
00:04<newsense>!tell tosi about nfs
00:04<newsense>!tell tosi about samba
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00:06<tosi>nfs seems so over complicated then what i want
00:07<norbert_>how about an ftp server
00:07<mike>allright im upgrading to lenny
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00:07<norbert_>if you just want to access the files
00:07<mike>this could take a while
00:07<mike>if i run into problems im going to need help =d
00:07<tosi>how would i set that up norbert_
00:08<norbert_>do you want to access files both ways?
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00:08<skimp`>any reason I cant move anything on my panel
00:08<skimp`>such as my battery meter...
00:08<tosi>i just want to transfer some iso's from my external to my eeepc with debian
00:09<norbert_>skimp: right click the icons and see if they are locked
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00:09<norbert_>tosi: just start Skype on Debian and transfer the files via Skype :)
00:09<skimp`>was able to move them last night, all of a sudden not working
00:09<norbert_>tosi: or msn (amsn on Linux)
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00:10<norbert_>tosi: if that's all you want, to move some files :)
00:10<norbert_>tosi: or download
00:11<norbert_>and enter DOS under Windows and use pscp.exe to: pscp <filename> <linux username>@<linux ip>:~
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00:17<Guest386>OK GRACIAS
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00:20<skimp`>So is there any way to be able to move things on my panel... besides obviously removing and clicking and readding in the new space...
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00:21<norbert_>skimp`: can you install xvidcap and record what you try
00:21<tosi>how would i find my local ip in debian... like an ipconfig
00:21<norbert_>tosi: # /sbin/ifconfig
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00:21<skimp`>Norbert: why record what I try.... you understand what im asking right...
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00:22<mike>if you ever think about upgrading from etch to lenny dont -.- unless you have alot of time
00:22<norbert_>skimp`: I may be able to help you better when I see exactly what you're doing/trying
00:22<mike>it didnt take this long to install XD
00:22<norbert_>mike: what I did is make backups of all important files and just overwrite everything, a clean install
00:23<mike>im running the upgrade lol
00:23<mike>i have one more command
00:23<norbert_>skimp`: you can select an area to record, only the icons (not your whole desktop)
00:23<skimp`>OK, but basically... I want to move my battery meter over an inch to the left... Before I could click and drag it, now its not letting me move it... This also goes ffor other things on my upper panel..
00:23<mike>and its ht "long one"
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00:23<norbert_>skimp`: did you try right clicking and selecting "move"?
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00:24<skimp`>Wow, totally read over that I guess... thanks
00:24<norbert_>why is puppy in VirtualBox not loading X :|
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00:24<norbert_>skimp`: :)
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00:26<mike>ok so the down loadining part is over
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00:26<mike>norbert_ i need your help
00:27<norbert_>you do? I thought that other dude was helping you out?
00:27<norbert_>wow, I actually have puppy running inside VirtualBox
00:27<norbert_>and it's all on a ramdisk
00:27<mike>is it broken XD
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00:28<mike>and if i dont restart them now will i be able to logon in the future?
00:28<norbert_>mike: just press OK
00:28<mike>ok haha
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00:29<mike>i wokred hard on this i just needed a second opinion
00:29<norbert_>mike: after everything is done, reboot your system
00:29<mike>well i still hve on more command then ill reboot
00:29<norbert_>that will automatically make gdm (or whatever) start
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00:42<s3a>when a bug of a program in the lenny repositories gets fixed does the end of its name go from -1 to -2 or it always stays at -1 and the file just gets replaced in the repositories with a newer file?
00:43<s3a>example: anki_0.9.6-1_all.deb (note the -1)
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00:48<cheal>s3a: the program's name doesn't change. what changes is the version of the package containing the program (in unstable (usually))
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00:49<aetheria>is it possible to alias a long hostname to a shorter one, sans ip address - for example: shortname
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00:50<s3a>cheal, are you sure of what you're saying because i thought that the number after the negative (-) indicates which bugfixed version of a specific version of a program it is
00:53<cheal>s3a: the number after the dash is the Debian revision of the package's upstream version. programs are in packages.
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00:54<s3a>cheal, the minus sign = dash?
00:55<dmoerner>if bash-3.2-1 had a bug and is updated without a new upstream release coming out, it is now called bash-3.2-2
00:55<dmoerner>if it was a non-maintainer upload, it is bash-3.2-1.1
00:55<dmoerner>if it was a binary NMU, it is bash-3.2-1+b1
00:56<dmoerner>if it is an upload for a stable release or t-p-u, it would most likely be bash-3.2-1+lenny1
00:56<dmoerner>if it was made to fix a mistaken rejection by the archive, it would probably be bash-3.2-1+dak1
00:56<dmoerner>there may be other scenarios as well
00:57<cheal>s3a: yes (or a hyphen)
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00:58<s3a>cheal, so if the number after the dash is a 1 that means that the debian ppl (maintainer) didn't fix any bugs?
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01:00<cheal>s3a: no, it means that this is the first Debian revision for the package's upstream version. For example, foo 3.0-1 would be the first Debian package of foo 3.0.
01:01<tosi>i want to install warcraft 3 on debian... i have the ISOs what do i do
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01:01<s3a>cheal, then how come on anki's home page all of it's .debs (not debian website) have a dash followed by a 1?
01:02<norbert_>tosi: search for "HOWTO" here
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01:03<norbert_>tosi: you may also want to look at note however that running warcraft 3 on Debian is not something that's suitable for newbies
01:04<cheal>s3a: I don't know anki, but that must be because he didn't need to do any revision to its packages (since the last upstream version). 1 is the most common revision number, of course.
01:06<s3a>cheal, every single version of anki i've used (including debian's) is buggy! and anki is a very good program but when i filed a bug report to maintainer Andreas Bombe or something like that, he said that a newer version had the bug fixed but that newer version was a version that is not in the Lenny repositories and by the way the bug wasn't fixed but even if it was, THE ONE IN THE LENNY REPOSITORIES SHOULD BE STABLE
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01:37<aetheria>is there a way to alias a hostname without an IP address?
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01:37<simonrvn>CNAME ?
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01:52<aetheria>that would require dns and still need a fqdn to be specified
01:52<aetheria>(a different fqdn but still one)
01:53<aetheria>maybe that is the right direction though. if the hosts file cannot handle it, perhaps some simple dns proxy app can
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01:58<mike>ok so i am now officially a lenny user
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01:59<jm_>hosts file can handle it
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02:11<aetheria>jm_: what is the syntax?
02:11<jm_>aetheria: man 5 hosts
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02:12<aetheria>then it cannot handle what i am trying to do
02:12<aetheria>i have no ip address. just a fqdn and an alias
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02:15<jm_>that makes no sense
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02:16<aetheria>why do i always have to refer to a host as why can't i somehow alias it to say, "full"?
02:16<aetheria>that makes no sense
02:16<jm_>you can
02:17<jm_>if you looked at examples in man hosts you would see that you can
02:17<Supaplex>aetheria: check /etc/resolv.conf for "search"
02:17<snogglethorpe>also, you can do even more easily in some specific contexts... i.e., i have host aliases in .ssh/config
02:17<aetheria>i can paste my man 5 hosts page. i guarantee you that every example line starts with an IP address
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02:18<aetheria>snogglethorpe: thanks. that is mostly what i need it for so that might be a solution.
02:18<jm_>of course it's does, since it's a mapping between IP-s and hostnames
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02:19<aetheria>jm_: i think you missed my question
02:19<jm_>aetheria: nope
02:19<snogglethorpe>deb devs love to bicker, remember
02:20<stew>nuh uh
02:20<aetheria>jm_: there is no IP address. making sense or not. there is none.
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02:20<giupy>hi all
02:20<aetheria>jm_: i only want to alias one long name to one short one
02:20<jm_>aetheria: so you're not on an IP network then?
02:20<aetheria>jm_: why? because many of my hosts use dynamic ip addresses.
02:21<jm_>aetheria: why would that change anything?
02:21<aetheria>don't know if you
02:21<aetheria>'if you're familiar with how dynamic IPs work
02:21<aetheria>but there is not static IP
02:21<aetheria>therefore no entry to put in a hosts file
02:22<giupy>i use opera email client, sometimes it crashes and sometimes i must re-create my email account and i don't use anymore my old emails, i know wich is the file interested in this problem, do you think that if i make it only writable by root i solve my problem?
02:22<giupy>it's not really Ot :)
02:22<aetheria>(anyhow, looks like ssh_config HostName feature does exactly what i want
02:25<jm_>don't know if you realize that it's trivial to update DNS servers via DHCP when leases are given out
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02:28<aetheria>here is how in ssh_config (2 lines): Host foo\nHostname
02:29<jm_>that is easily solvable via resolv.conf as Supaplex pointed out
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02:32<snogglethorpe>this conversation has become surreal...
02:32<Supaplex>!poke snogglethorpe
02:32*dpkg pokes snogglethorpe with a cattle prod
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02:34<jm_>ahh it's early morning morons complaining about helping people
02:34<jm_>I'll go back to my cave
02:35<aetheria>no those were good tips. thanks.
02:35<jm_>aetheria: that wasn't about you, no worries ;)
02:36<aetheria>so many problems in my life would be solved with a broadband account with a static IP
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02:37<mike>lenny is sweeet
02:37<jm_>you can't request it? most ISP-s here give you an option to enable that
02:37<mike>aetheria where you from that you cant get a static ip?
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02:37<aetheria>i don't even have a broadband account. the complex i live in provides one for the whole building
02:38<mike>eve still you dont have the choice to install your own service?
02:38<aetheria>possible, but it would be overkill and i might not be here that long
02:38<jm_>ahh so you're behind a gateway with a private IP?
02:38<aetheria>jm_: yes
02:38<mike>well what do you need the static ip for i may have an alternate sollution
02:39<aetheria>i due reverse tunnels to dyndns machines to be able to ssh in from outside
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02:39<jm_>aetheria: right, probably the only option
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02:39<aetheria>but all my friends boxes are on dynamic IPs also, hence their using dyndns
02:40<mike>well as far as 100% static domain and shit
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02:40<mike>you could try no-ip they have a service constantly checks your dns and opens a static domain on theyre server for free
02:41<mike>i mean ive used remotedesktoping software and had it connect to there and then had theyre prgram listen on the port and had no problems
02:41<aetheria>mike: i don't know how much more that would actually offer than regular dyndns. for example, i'm willing to be that most mailservers block mail from these "static" domains
02:42<aetheria>same as they do with dyndns
02:42<mike>lol just tryin to help i mean its helped me get aroun some problems
02:42<mike>i just uprgraded to lenny and 100% suprised
02:42<mike>iy supports everything from my sound to my webcam and wirless
02:43<mike>lol all i need is my sd card reader
02:43<aetheria> maybe that can help
02:44<jm_>speaking of that, I need to order card reader too, stupid online shop has it in status "waiting for supplier" for weeks now
02:44<mike>yeah mines onboard i have to find out if its pci or or usb
02:44<mike>not worried about it atm
02:45<mike>doesnt show up in the usb but niether did my camera
02:46<mike>holy shity i got 20000kbs download on a torrent XD
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02:46<mike>must be a bug in opera
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02:54<binarymutant>my xorg doesn't start, it errors with an MTRR invalid argument(22), how can I get X to work?
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02:56<aetheria>binarymutant: how are you starting it?
02:56<binarymutant>aetheria: startx
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02:57<mike>having a problem guys and i need help
02:57<binarymutant>I started it with gdm once but it just froze
02:57<aetheria>binarymutant: and you have full xorg installed?
02:57<mike>i cant get gdebi to open any .deb files?
02:57<binarymutant>aetheria: ya
02:57<mike>any help
02:57<aetheria>binarymutant: does /var/log/Xorg.0 log show any errors?
02:57<binarymutant>mike: you can always fall back to dpkg -i
02:58<binarymutant>aetheria: the same error isn't in the log
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02:58<mike>binarymutant ok will you help me install a prgram then ?
02:58<jm_>mike: what does open deb files mean?
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02:58<binarymutant>mike: what app?
02:58<mike>its called webcamstudio
02:59<mike>i just upgraded to lenny so im htink thats where my prblem with the gdebia lays
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02:59<mike>i would like to fix gdebi bu i cant even get it to open
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03:00<mike>is there a way i can roll it back to the etch version?
03:00<jm_>why are you using gdebi?
03:00<mike>cause im a newb and it install the package for you inda like aynaptic
03:00<aetheria>binarymutant: are you using a non-standard driver?
03:00<binarymutant>mike: synapic has an easy way to do roll back releases
03:00<binarymutant>aetheria: the ati driver
03:00<jm_>try using dpkg -i instead like already suggested
03:01<aetheria>binarymutant: which one?
03:01<mike>ok so just navigate to the folder and use that on the file?
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03:01<binarymutant>aetheria: ati
03:01<aetheria>binarymutant: don't use that one. use the debian one provided by module-assistant
03:02<binarymutant>i've also used radeon and vesa, but they had the same error :(
03:02<aetheria>which is designed to work with the version of xorg
03:02<jm_>binarymutant: check /proc/mtrr
03:02<aetheria>!tell binarymutant about fglrx
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03:03<Alba>morning here... i need to know how to make an ipod nano 4th gen work with debian lenny...
03:03<Alba>any clues?
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03:03<binarymutant>jm_: I did and the values look normal I think. In the bios it says 32MB video memory, but in /proc/mtrr it says reg1 around 40MB and reg2 around 35MB
03:03<binarymutant>jm_: I guess thats normal but idk
03:03<mike>alba i may be able to point you to the program to do it
03:04<mike>alba, chech that out
03:04<Alba>that would be lovely mike,been going thru this from xmas even and i don't seem to be able to synchronize it... it plugs and opens but looks like empty and if i put something it doesnt appear... so i would really really appreciate a hand
03:04<aetheria>binarymutant: is this a regular debian kernel?
03:05<jm_>binarymutant: are you sure there is no error in Xorg.0.log?
03:05<mike>banshee may do it for you
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03:05<mike>alba, heres a link right to the home page
03:05<Alba>hmm i didnt manage banshee to do it.. nor amarok either... its the last nano i dunno if its precisely 4th or which gen... the last one however
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03:07<Alba>maybe my version is too old.. i will try to update it
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03:09<Alba>thanks 1000 mike i think i will have to update my banshee... it's still on 1.0 but i took it from the repos... well anywway it will have to be later... its early morning here, my coffee is finished and i need to get ready to go to work :(
03:10<mike>haha same here
03:10<mike>glad to have helped though
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03:12<Alba>have a great day mike :)
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03:13<mike>alba you two
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03:14<mike>how can i remove old kernal version from my grub
03:15<jm_>why do you want to remove it?
03:15<mike>because i have liek 5 different kernel version from being helped in the chat earlier
03:15<Supaplex>mike: if it's a .deb managed kernel, just apt-get remove it
03:16<Supaplex>eg, dpkg -S /boot/vmli*
03:16<mike>ok kso i need alist of the kerns installed haha
03:16<mike>where could i get that ?
03:16<jm_>dpkg -l|grep linux-image
03:16<dpkg>jm_: i don't know
03:16<binarymutant>jm_: it does have DRI warnings; DRI init changed memory map, adjusting ...
03:16<Supaplex>mike: run this: dpkg -S /boot/vmli*
03:17<binarymutant>it also says, but its in the informational tags; cannot locate core pointer device; cannot locate core keyboard device
03:18<mike>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 inux-image-2.6.18-6-686: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 inux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-68 linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 inux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-bpo.1-686
03:18<binarymutant>I'm going to start gdm again, probably have to do a hard reboot though brb
03:18<jm_>binarymutant: I must say I never really tried to understand how MTRR-s work, mtrr.txt is not very useful either, but one can often find posts on lkml about it - did you try searching for the error message?
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03:18<mike>i told you haha
03:19<Supaplex>mike: when did we ever doubt it?
03:19<mike>never said yah did someone asked why ineed to remove lol
03:19<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
03:19<binarymutant>hell yes, I think it was because I didn't have hal. GDM used to freeze but now its working and complaining about Xclients so I think I'm good
03:20<mike>well am an aol user so =P
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03:21<mike>supaplex im alittle confused here
03:21<mike>linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 inux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-bpo.1-686
03:21<mike>i dont know which one of these to remove
03:22<mike>thats my version
03:22<jm_>you see now why I asked you why you want to remove them? you don't even have a good reason
03:22<mike>do i just leave those two alone
03:22<mike>heh do i need to post the list again -.-
03:22*mike glares at jm_
03:23<Supaplex>keep the one that works, nuke the rest.
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03:23<mike>thats my question lol am i the bpo one or the other one haha
03:24<mike>im guessing im the other one =P heh
03:24<Supaplex>uname -a might give you a clue.
03:24<mike>heyy there yah go =D
03:24<binarymutant>ok whats an xclients file?
03:25<Supaplex>binarymutant: I give up. what's it for?
03:25<binarymutant>I have no clue
03:26<jm_>binarymutant: it contains list of commands to be executed when X server starts
03:26<mike>ok now to reboot to see if i still work XD
03:26<mike>this si the cary part XD
03:26<mike>brb and thanx supaplex as always =D
03:26<Supaplex>np. good luck.
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03:26<binarymutant>jm_: isn't that .Xsession or .xinit or .xinitrc?
03:26<binarymutant>I've got all those
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03:27<binarymutant>does gdm use something different?
03:27<jm_>binarymutant: yes, pretty much
03:28<binarymutant>well what gives, Arch Linux is sucking ass right now. 0 support and their packaging is sucking
03:28<binarymutant>i'm reformatting thanks for the help
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03:29<Supaplex>isn't arch abadonware? :)
03:31<fmb>how to make mouse and kbd work in Xfbdev
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03:35<jm_>why not use regular X server with vesa driver?
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03:36<mike>supaplex i have another prblem you may be able to helo me with
03:36<fmb>cause, once i start X kbd and mouse gets cut, no led when i press caps
03:36<Supaplex>mike: or anyone really.
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03:36<fmb>and even if [ hmm], i cant do shit, its like freeze
03:36<jm_>with regular X server or what?
03:36<fmb>but eg audio works o
03:37<fmb>s o on
03:37<fmb>so i used directvnc lotsa time
03:37<mike>im having a really big resolution problem with my monitor i didnt have in etch
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03:37<jm_>did you check x logfile? other logs/dmesg?
03:37<fmb>i did, nothing special
03:38<fmb>Xfbdev starts, but i cant move mouse, nor does .xinitrc get processed ( maybe it does, as root, w ill try)
03:38<mike>like my resolution is suppose to be 1280 x 1024 but when i select it its not the right resolution
03:38<jm_>xfbdev is not a regular server
03:38<fmb>as i installed the swrast_dri,so
03:38<jm_>mike: check your X log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
03:39<fmb>well im used to vnc'ing locally =p
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03:40<fmb>ell so i tried, no luck in xinitrc starting nor mouse conntrol
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03:40<mike>jm_ want me to pastebin whats in there
03:40<jm_>mike: go on
03:41<FTPeed>morning all, does any know whether you can specify multiple http proxies for apt to use?
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03:42<jm_>you can specify per-host proxies if that helps
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03:44<mike>hopefully you can help me out jm_
03:44<FTPeed>@ jm_ - thanks :) but not quite, I'm just trying to make apt work redundantly within my netw
03:44<FTPeed>so retry local proxy 3 times, if unavailable then try remote location proxy etc.
03:45<jm_>mike: so what is the problem then?
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03:45<jm_>FTPeed: maybe a wrapper script then
03:45<Alba>hi again... bit more of coffee poured in the cup since i have some time... now how do i check which is the version in the repositories? i just removed my banshee 1.0 and i wouldnt like to install it again :D
03:45<mike>jm_ the computer is telling me the resolution is one thing but the monitor is telling me a different story haha
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03:46<FTPeed>possibly but was hoping for multiple Acquire's in the apt.conf but if it can't then it can't
03:46<jm_>mike: ok what is computer telling you (and how did you make it do that)? what is monitor saying? what does xrandr command show?
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03:47<mike>jm_ your such a smart ass hah a
03:47<jm_>Alba: apt-cache
03:48<jm_>Alba: or rmadison
03:48<Alba>jm_ 'apt-cache search banshee' just displays the package names but not the version i wonder if there is something to get more info
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03:49<avtobiff>Alba, apt-cache show banshee
03:49<Alba>aaaa thanks guys :D
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03:50<Alba>ok now i am lost -.- 1.0.1 and the website says its 1.4 and to get it with apt -.- it's definately too early in the morning i think
03:50<avtobiff>Alba, what web page?
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03:50<jm_>mike: and the answer to my other questions?
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03:50<avtobiff>Alba, version 1.4 is probably not packaged for debian then. check
03:51<Alba>to get it on debian lenny / etch just use apt-get blabla... but apt-cache shows an older version
03:51<mike>jm_ the computer is set 1400x 1050 but the monitor is saying that its 1280x1024
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03:51<avtobiff>Alba, lenny or etch?
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03:51<Alba>lenny / sid avtobiff
03:51<jm_>only experimental has 1.4
03:51<mike>jm_and i wouldnt complain but its just a little bit to big and i cant see the bottom of the screen lol
03:51<Alba>i think the sid part is because of the kde4 but lenny for sure
03:52<Alba>aha i see now :) thanks again :D
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03:53<Alba>looks like this will be a todo for the weekend
03:53<jm_>mike: well according to the log monitor can only do 1280x1024
03:54<mike>haha well there you go your seeing my dilema haha
03:54<jm_>no I am not
03:54<mike>the resolutions the computer has listed arent correct
03:55<sander_m>Hi all. A quick question about generating SSL certificates. I have generated a private key and a certificate request. I had the request signed by CACert and now I have a certificate for my domain so that Apache can serve it. Now I also need a certificate for a different domain. Do I need to generate a new private key? Or can I use the existing private key to create a different certificate request?
03:55<jm_>well why did you set it to 1400 if monitor can only do 1280?
03:55<mike>lemme try this again but slower
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03:56<mike>ok jm_ the computer is saying its 1400x1050 but its not really 1400x1050 lol
03:56<fmb>and there is no man page for the fb server
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03:56<mike>jm_, its actually only a little tiny bit bigger than 1280x1024
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03:57<mike>like when i set it 1280x1024 the monitor tells me its set to 1024x1024
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03:58<snogglethorpe>X is pretty weird these days...
03:58<mike>get what im sayin now?
03:58<mike>yeah it was just working in etch i upgraded to lenny and its all odd lol
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03:59<jm_>mike: X supports virtual screen, so it moves arround when you hit the edges
03:59<snogglethorpe>they'll have all that stuff fixed up by 2011 or so
04:00<mike>jm_ lo mine just sits there like a dead hooker -.-
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04:00<jm_>mike: what does xpdyinfo say?
04:01<mike>umm command not found?
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04:01<jm_>sorry it's xdpyinfo
04:02<fmb>.. how to find max timings for monitor or| and GPU ?
04:02<jm_>fmb: try read-edid
04:02<fmb>ic merci min
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04:03<fmb>btw uvesafb wont work for me
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04:06<fmb>woot this gives me a weird 15nn*16nn line, hope it works on fb
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04:07<mike>ok for now i cam up with an alternate sullution
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04:09<fmb>atm i dunno to make fb.modes timings out of em, .
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04:24<Guest408>i just created an update to a package, which did not have an upstream change, so added a -1 to the orig version number. however now linda warns that my package: "Package switches from native to non-native version number".. any ideas?
04:25<OdyX>Guest408: try to ask in #debian-mentors
04:25<dpkg>mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see #debian-mentors on, and
04:26<Guest408>OdyX: i know about the mentor system, however this is a package for a local repo..
04:27<jm_>Guest124: probably because your dir has different name than version?
04:28<Guest408>jm_: hmm i thought you were not supposed to change the dir version when making a new nmu... will give it a try
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04:28<jm_>Guest408: well how else would it know?
04:29<thegve>Hello. When I browse Samba shares using nautilus and try to open PDF documents, Evince returns an error "Operation not supported", after copying the file to my hard-disk it does work.
04:30<thegve>Is there anything I can do to make it work?
04:30<Guest408>jm_: the original tarball version, and perhaps it's expecting certain words on the first line in the changelog (like lintian does). will give it a try and let you know how it worked
04:30<themill>Guest408: The original package should have had a -1 on it to begin with -- that's what makes it a "non-native" as opposed to a "native" package. Almost nothing is actually a native package as they are only for things that are only of use/interest within debian
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04:31<thegve>fileroller and gedit seem to work fine, so I guess it's an evince problem
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04:33<Guest408>themill: actually the 'package' i am working on is a meta package, e.g. it just depends on a number of other packages. i simply created a 1.0 orig tarball with a makefile that does nothing.. when adding new deps i am bumping the version from 1.0 to 1.0-1, to 1.0-2, etc.. that's probably wrong.. (:
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04:37<themill>Guest408: yes. If it's an arbitrary collection of other packages, then it might be a native package (e.g. look at the kde package) in which case the versions should never contain a "-" at all. They could go 1 2 3 or 1.0 1.1 1.2 etc.
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04:38<Guest408>themill: ok thanks. i looked at some other metapackages as examples before, but they were quite complicated to understand (different archs and such). thanks.
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04:42<fmb>how was the app| package named, that made X or fb timings out of params
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04:52<jm_>fmb: there are a few tools that can generated modelines
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05:07<fmb>name me some jm_ i cant refind any.. i got one installed but i cant find it, with A
05:07<jm_>fmb: search for modeline
05:07<fmb>got it = )
05:07<fmb>sadly video=vesafb:res work only on newer kernels, and git11 to rc1 of .28| .29 dont boot
05:08<fmb>maybe the git7 one will do
05:08<petern>people actually use vesafb?
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05:08<fmb>well its vesa which generate /dev/fb0 mostly
05:09<fmb>eg a-z or 0x348 for example
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05:09<jm_>fmb: why are you not using regular X server instead?
05:10<fmb>i wrote it before, now again: since months [ heh] when i start X it 'disables' any inputs, and i cant switch to the vt's again
05:11<jm_>is vt switching enabled?
05:11<jm_>appropriately mapped to relevant keys?
05:11<fmb>sure, and sleep 3 && chvt 1 doesnt work also
05:11<fmb>its vanilla, mostly, erm
05:12<jm_>vt switching in X server
05:12<fmb>it disables any input
05:12<fmb>eg the led of caps doesnt light when i press it
05:12<jm_>check keyboard mapping when that happens
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05:13<fmb>i cant, i have no 'access' to the sys anymore
05:13<jm_>not even via ssh?
05:13<fmb>like i got no, uhm, forgot the word, accessabiliy
05:13<fmb>well i have just one box, which is conn via gprs 'net, no incoming ports
05:13<fmb>however the CPU works on, like, it just continues to work
05:14<jm_>right, that makes it painful to debug then - maybe if phone can run ssh client ;)
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05:14<fmb>its a modem, not a phone
05:14<fmb>so i used directvnc
05:15<fmb>and discovered i have Xfbdev, but no input works there too and it doesnt process .xinitrc
05:15<fmb>then i found its man online, which says its part of TinyX or Xtiny or something, nothing in debian for that, maybe cause itt its old name
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05:16<fmb>so uhm, uvesafb wont get EFI data, and vesafb:res only works on recent ones, but i booted a grsec one atm
05:16<fmb>thats it from me = )
05:17<jm_>fmb: it is in debian, but only in experimental
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05:17<codeblue>hello everyone, can ne1 give me a bash script that will detect changes in a dir since last run?
05:17<jm_>codeblue: why bother? use inotify based solutins instead
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05:18<codeblue>hmm whats inotify?
05:18<jm_>man inotify
05:18<codeblue>wow thx
05:18<jm_>apt-cache search inotify
05:18<jm_>inotify-tools is probably what you want
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05:20<codeblue>basically I want to monitor a dir and when a new dir is created within it too return the ne dir
05:20<jm_>yeah try that, or iwatch or incron
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05:21<codeblue>is there a simple way to do it in a bash script tho without installing any new progs
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05:21<jm_>depends what simple means for you
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05:25<codeblue>I want to be able to check for new dirs return only the location of new dir's (nothing inside) save that to a file then another script will take that dir and use it.
05:27<jm_>diff will easily detect them
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05:28<codeblue>ok how do i use diff on a directory basis and not file/file vasis
05:29<jm_>not like that, you would diff new ls/echo/find/whatever output against the old one
05:29<codeblue>or even better how do i save the output of ls to a variable
05:29<codeblue>iv tried d= ls but that dosnt work
05:29<jm_>MYOLDDIRS=$(ls /foo)
05:30<jm_>but note that this also returns files, not just dirs
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05:30<codeblue>yeah thats ok
05:30<codeblue>thanks alot :D
05:30<jm_>so perhaps this is better: DIRS=$(echo /foo/*/)
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05:33<fmb>its nuff to do A=( */)
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05:34<fmb>or without arrays, x=*/
05:35<fmb>blucode, check
05:36<jm_>that only works in bash
05:36<fmb>aye he init erm a bash script q
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05:37<fmb>codeblue ^ ^
05:38<fmb>sorries, add a snapshot/ after ode/
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05:40<codeblue>thats way more code than i need
05:40<fmb>np = )
05:41<fmb>correct simple code: dirs=place/* ; ..time ; newdirs=place/* ; [[ $dirs != $newdirs ]] && echo changed
05:45<fmb>heh from the Tinyx online man: possible opt to use pcmcia card as screen + cause i havent seen GPUs for that
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05:59<alon>Ubuntu Bodoh
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06:03<codeblue>ok that code u game me fmb does not work
06:04<codeblue>+ I need it to repeat so it can detect changes all the time not just once
06:04<codeblue>I have tired to modify it but its frying my head
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06:07<codeblue>I just keep getting errors cos its not expecting a directory
06:07<fmb>it needs to be #!/bin/bash
06:07<fmb>not sh
06:07<fmb>lemme see if thats not the prob
06:08<fmb>did u specify c ?
06:08<fmb>mf c /path
06:08<fmb>u may have wrong *wildcard around
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06:09<codeblue>c ?
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06:09<codeblue>I have changed slightly
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06:09<codeblue>dirs=$(echo /home/usbdisk/codeblue/downloads/*/) ;
06:09<codeblue>while $a == true; do
06:09<codeblue>newdirs=$(echo /home/usbdisk/codeblue/downloads/*/);
06:09<codeblue>if $dirs != $newdirs; then
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06:10<fmb>its the main runway def opt
06:10<fmb>what to do, create, update, diff etc
06:10<fmb>u do mf <what> paths
06:10<fmb>not mf /paths
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06:11<codeblue>I dont understand you
06:11<fmb>1 that while wont work
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06:11<fmb>stop=0 ; while (( ! stop)) ; do ..
06:12<fmb>the 2 show me the args u pass
06:12<codeblue>dont pass ne args
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06:12<codeblue>I just want it too keep scanning the dir and output any changes to either a variable or txt file
06:13<fmb>i see
06:13<fmb>wanna take some time and let me update the script ?
06:13<codeblue>any additions*
06:13<fmb>theres dnotify program too, but u want a script, so, .
06:13<codeblue>yeah id prefer a script
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06:14<fmb>i can do a small other script that runs this one and compares automatically
06:14<fmb>souds good too ?
06:14<mike>heyy guys im having serious problems with lenny
06:14<mike>gui crashes when vlc has been playing abit
06:14<codeblue>that happens me too
06:14<codeblue>use mplayer :P
06:14<mike>are your monitor resolutions fucked up to ?
06:14<codeblue>they where
06:14<codeblue>not ne more
06:14<fmb>and mplayer.awk for colored output of m
06:14<mike>howd you fix it?
06:15<mike>mine still are
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06:15<codeblue>edited the xorg.conf and put in manual refresh rates
06:15<codeblue>sync rates even
06:15<mike>good idea
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06:15<fmb>blucode, second script ok too ?
06:15<codeblue>like Hsync Vsync or something like that
06:15<codeblue>yeah that would work fine
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06:16<mike>could you walk me through it i know how to add resolutions but i dont know how to add them lol
06:16<codeblue>I cannot remember I used google
06:16<fmb>its getting quite complicated, hum
06:16<mike>well thats all the info i needed
06:16<mike>lol shpuldve just told me google it =d
06:17<mike>so all you did was switch the refresh rate?
06:17<fmb>blucode, what info are invalid ( or, vital, to get)
06:17<codeblue>naa it was the horizontal and vertical rates
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06:18<mike>in the xorg.conf?
06:18<dexter>Hi. I just installed 4.0r6 netinstall with what only was on the cd, i'm looking to get KDE installed, but the apt-get is not working
06:18<mike>dester try installign it through your synaptic
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06:19<hever>How can I view a file binary ?
06:19<codeblue>the only info I need is, say in /home/ a new dir called /home/this_is_new/ and /home/this_is_new_too/ I want it to output this_is_new (newline) this_is_new_too
06:19<hever>I want to see the binary code of a simple text file...
06:19<dexter>i have no gui installed
06:19<fmb>hever xxd or od
06:20<fmb>dexter whats the error , if any ? and do u have something in your sources.list
06:20<codeblue>ok im going for a smoke, be back soon, pm me fmb when u have a solution. and thanks
06:20<fmb> = )
06:20<dexter>it cannot find the package, i tried an apt update
06:20<dexter>with no updates
06:21<dexter>i'm looking to create a thin client
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06:22<mike>dexter , nano /etc/apt/sources.list
06:22<mike>whats in there?
06:23<hever>fmb, thanks.
06:23<hever>and how could I write some bits into a file ?
06:23<dexter>it's empty, so maybe thats it ;)
06:23<mike>dexter what version are you etch, lenny?
06:23<hever>for example writing the ascii code into a file to show it after it normally...
06:24<fmb>any editor, or install ht
06:24<fmb>or bvi
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06:24<dexter>i installed the netimage, debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso
06:25<hever>I'm going to do it binary to demonstrate ascii
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06:26<mike>dexter uname -r
06:26<jm_>mike: your output are a bit weird, xdpyinfo and xorg log say 1280x1024, but xrandr says 1400x1050 - \what does xorg.conf say?
06:27<mike>jm_ gimme a few ill worry about that in abit my gui only goes when im using vlc
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06:28<themill>dexter: if the installer fails to find the network at install time, it doesn't include a mirror for you in your sources.list
06:28<mike>themill, im working on it lol i just needed to know what version he was running lol
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06:29<themill>mike: no worries.
06:29<dexter>themill, i cancled the install of the extra stuff, i only installed what was on the cd
06:29<mike>deb etch main contrib non-free
06:29<mike>add that to your sources.list
06:30<themill>you should find a closer mirror than that though
06:30<dexter>will do, thnx so far :)
06:30<mike>shall i include the security as well?
06:30<themill>mike: yes
06:30<dexter>yes please
06:30<mike>deb etch/updates main contrib
06:31<mike>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
06:31<themill>and non-free because there are occasionally updates... just not very often
06:31<mike>i dont have the non free repository
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06:32<themill>mike: yeah, but the if you included "non-free" for the main mirror, then you should also include it for the security updates.
06:32<mike>deb testing/updates main contrib non-free
06:32<mike>opps change testing to etch
06:32<themill>dexter: you probably want to use the dk mirror rather than the us mirror btw
06:32*codeblue is back
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06:33<mike>when your done save it and the reupdate your apt-get
06:33<dexter>ok. Do any of you have experience with linux clin client?
06:33<mike>me no lol
06:33<mike>im sure someone else maybe able to help you out htough
06:34<mike>themill, its nuts upgraded to lenny and now i have all sorts of nuts video problems
06:34<mike>vlc crashes my gui now im like wtf
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06:34<themill>dexter: might be of use. But that's all i can tell you. If you have specific questions you'll do better though.
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06:35<dexter>ok, thnx
06:36<mike>ok jm_ what were you asking before?
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06:36<jm_>mike: I was just saying that the outputs are weird, check which resolution is defined in xorg.conf
06:38<themill>mike: Are you using fglrx or nvidia proprietary drivers? Did you upgrade them when you upgraded to lenny? (I suspect jm_ has already been through this with you though... I'm coming in too late here)
06:38<jm_>themill: he's using intel driver
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06:39<mike>ok ill paste bin the xorg.conf
06:39<mike>i had to add an odd res to make it so i can see lol
06:39<themill>jm_: we've seen a couple of intel driver fubars recently....
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06:39<mike>so if your like wtf i know why
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06:40<jm_>themill: here are url-s if you want to take a look and can spot something:
06:41<mike>there the contents of my xorg.conf
06:42<mike>jm_ someone mentioned messing with the refresh rates
06:42<mike>which makes sense because my montitor doesnt like 75h and thats what it starts at lol
06:43<mike>so where do i change that ?
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06:45<mike>my monitor doesnt like running 1280x1024 at 75hz, so im thinking if i can switch it down to 60 itll be fine?
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06:47<codeblue>yeah jm_ hows it comming along?
06:47<jm_>mike: it uses the right mode as reported by monitor
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06:52<Elessar>i am using dnsmasq on a debian lenny, in order to serve as a dns for some hosted virtual machines
06:52<Elessar>the thing is that dnsmasq uses resolvconf to register itself as the system's dns server
06:52<Elessar>is there a way to disable that?
06:52<fmb>its on the way
06:54<tzafrir_laptop>Elessar, edit the hook script in the ifup directory?
06:54<tzafrir_laptop>Does SVN in Lenny have an incompatible working copy format with the one in Etch?
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06:55<jm_>Elessar: or uninstall resolveconf
06:56<themill>tzafrir_laptop: yes.
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06:57<tzafrir_laptop>wow. there's just no sane way to use the same working copy with sarge and etch, and now with etch and lenny
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06:57<themill>tzafrir_laptop: that's a common problem with subversion. If you really need to do that, then have a feature branch and ci/co in each place.
06:58<themill>tzafrir_laptop: you could upgrade the etch machines to subversion 1.5 from -- that gets around the problem at least.
06:58<themill>judd versions subversion
06:58<judd>themill: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 experimental: 1.5.5dfsg1-1
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07:00<tzafrir_laptop>judd, that's not going to help me with centos installed on the other vservers there
07:00<judd>tzafrir_laptop: Error: "that's" is not a valid command.
07:00<tzafrir_laptop>And generally I'd rather avoid upgrading packages
07:00<tzafrir_laptop>s/judd/themill/, I guess.
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07:02<themill>tzafrir_laptop: true. The only way of working around that is to make old svn packages for lenny or backport for centos too. Or convince svn upstream to stop dicking around with the format.
07:02<themill>but 1.5 comes with many useful features for branching/merging so it's a highly desirable upgrade
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07:06<tzafrir_laptop>themill, not to mention svn's habbit of silently upgrading working copy, which means you only notice the problem when it's too late
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07:07<themill>tzafrir_laptop: I thought it warned you? Or perhaps it's only the tortoise client that does that.
07:07<tzafrir_laptop>themill, no. It was silently upgraded
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07:08<Slown>I can find an squid experts here
07:08<themill>tzafrir_laptop: bit rude... It probably should also be in README.Debian, btw.
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07:08<themill>Slown: assume yes and ask your real question
07:08<Slown>I have a problem with my /etc/init.d/squid
07:09<Slown>squid don't start
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07:09<Slown>doesn't *
07:09<themill>Slown: how do you know? any error messages? have you checked the logs?
07:09<Slown>an error message
07:09<Slown>line 74
07:09<Slown>in my /etc/init.d/squid
07:09<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
07:09<Slown>when I try to start squid
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07:10<jm_>so find out what's in line 74 of the script
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07:10<tzafrir_laptop>themill, actually I can't find any mention of the working copy format change in changelog.gz
07:11<Slown>start-stop daemon --quiet --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON -- $SQUID_ARGS w/dev/null
07:11<Slown>that's the message
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07:12<jm_>can you paste the entire error message?
07:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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07:13<Slown>that's my /etc/init.d/squid
07:13<Slown>line 74 error
07:13<themill>tzafrir_laptop: it's documented in NEWS.Debian though (which apt-listchanges would show you)
07:13<jm_>Slown: paste the error message too
07:15<Slown>for the error message
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07:16<jm_>Slown: you'll need to check logs for further messages
07:17<Slown>I can't acces to /var/log/squid
07:17<Slown>Impossible to open file
07:17<jm_>check /var/log/daemon.log
07:17<avtobiff>with grub2 do i edit grub.cfg and then run update-grub (man page says it only generates grub.cfg)
07:18<jm_>avtobiff: nope, grub2 doesn't use stupid commented lines to do the job
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07:19<Slown>I don't find squid
07:19<avtobiff>jm_, how do i configure grub then? just edit grub.cfg?
07:19<avtobiff>hmm, /etc/default/grub?
07:19<fmb>codeblue i got it finished
07:20<codeblue>Awesome :D
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07:20<jm_>avtobiff: and /etc/grub.d
07:20*codeblue dances
07:21<codeblue>how do you want to send it to me
07:21<fmb>ill up it on a host
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07:21<avtobiff>jm_, and then run update-grub?
07:21<jm_>avtobiff: yes
07:21<Slown>hey jm
07:21<avtobiff>seemed to do the trick. thanks jm_
07:21<fmb> 1
07:22<Slown>I don't find squid in /var/log/daemon.log
07:22<jm_>Slown: then try to start it by hand with debugging enabled
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07:22<Slown>how ?
07:23<codeblue>Im seeing some weird stuff in that
07:23<jm_>/usr/sbin/squid -X -N -D -YC
07:23<codeblue>like nL<+'5!0>ovk++?K^F-_#Q*uydL+1p\4Y+3V^$>JWTC!E+np^qfG+]v,%LRG=3&F^
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07:23<fmb>i dont really wanna say but those are stamps
07:24<fmb>u see they are commented
07:24<codeblue>ahh ok
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07:24<fmb>bb 1m
07:24<Slown>I have page faults with physical i/o: 0
07:25<jm_>you'll need to be more specific when it comes to error messages
07:25<Slown>i have these messages
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07:25<Slown>no others
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07:25<Slown>terminated anormally
07:26<goatee>is there a way to get inkscape without gnome, I know it only requires gtk
07:26<goatee>but apt wants all the gnome libs too, and, since i'm on an eee, thats quite a lot
07:27<jm_>paste the entire output of the above command on pastebin
07:27<fmb>blucode, sleep=2 script would work
07:27<Slown>yes yes
07:27<Slown>I do it jm
07:28<Slown>it works
07:28<jm_>what did you change then?
07:28<Slown>I change visible_hostname
07:28<Slown>before I have directly the name with no tag
07:28<Slown>i add tag visible_hostname
07:28<Slown>before the tag
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07:28<Slown>and now it works
07:28<Slown>thanks :)
07:29<jm_>it should complain about that if it's wrong I think
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07:30<Slown>now How can use squid ?
07:31<jm_>configure proxy in your browser
07:31<Tengu>or put an iptables rules
07:31<Tengu>[on your firewall]
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07:32<Slown>now How I can know my pc use the local proxy squid ?
07:33<Tengu>check logs.
07:33<jm_>you will see it in squid access log
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07:35<fmb>codeblue can i help any ? sleep=5 script would work
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07:37<goatee>is it possible to get inkscape without gnome using apt?
07:37<codeblue>getting errors
07:37<fmb>tell em or msg
07:37<codeblue>./ line 8: read: `> ': not a valid identifier
07:37<codeblue>./ line 9: mapfiles_script: command not found
07:38<fmb>hum do bash not sh
07:38<codeblue>the formatting of this is all overthe place
07:38<fmb>and u modiied it right ? = ) p
07:38<codeblue>still getting same error
07:39<jm_>goatee: it doesn't depend on gnome
07:39<codeblue>yeah them comments lookd like encrypted code
07:39<goatee>i know, but, when i try to install it it brings in loads of gnome-libs
07:39<fmb>its much more
07:39<jm_>yes, tough luck
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07:40<Slown>jm my adress ip change with squid ?
07:40<Slown>or not
07:40<goatee>was the tough luck for me?
07:40<jm_>Slown: nope
07:40<fmb>u really shoiuld keep em uh, as... a master did
07:40<jm_>goatee: indeed it was
07:40<goatee>ahh crap
07:40<Slown>why ?
07:40<Slown>squid is prxy
07:40<goatee>this is rediculous
07:41<valdyn>goatee: whats the problem with gnome libraries?
07:41<Tengu>Slown: to change/spoof your IP, your proxy has to be on another computer, on another network, with a different IP
07:41<goatee>i don't need em, and space is at a premium
07:41<valdyn>goatee: is it?
07:41<goatee>i'm on a 2 gig sd card
07:41<goatee>so yeah
07:42<codeblue>fmb: /home/codeblue/ 57: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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07:42<fmb>try putting bash instead sh on #! in mf
07:43<codeblue>ohh ok
07:44<codeblue>ok its running
07:44<fmb>= )
07:44<codeblue>what dir is it monitering?
07:45<fmb>i guess . heh
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07:45<fmb>u need to pass args to be monitored, or put em in some var inside the code
07:46<codeblue>ahh ok
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07:46<fmb>it will print + dir, not just dir.. u can modify that
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07:46<fmb>that cause i figured it will be biger with different signs infront of changed shtuff
07:47<path>where is the easy-update script on cpanel ?
07:48<petemc>path: you would probably be better asking in a cpanel specific forum
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07:49<codeblue>ohh on, it outputs dir's within dirs too
07:49<codeblue>how can I stop that?
07:49<codeblue>I just want it to scan the top level
07:50<fmb>u mean just inside ? gotta code it
07:50<codeblue>it done this
07:50<fmb>you can easily do
07:50<codeblue>enter path to> /home/codeblue/
07:50<codeblue>+ /home/codeblue/test/testing
07:50<codeblue>+ /home/codeblue/test/testing/blah
07:50<fmb>script| grep -v /.*/
07:50<codeblue>I only want the top one
07:50<fmb>with a --line-buffered
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07:52<fmb>you can also run it like: mapfiles_script=~codeblue/ sleep=3 mof ~| grep --line-buffered -v /.*/
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07:55<codeblue>nope that dosnt work
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07:55<codeblue>Im well confused
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07:55<avtobiff>on a SSD i am trying to do cryptsetup --verbose --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sdb1 , but it doesn't work and complains "Check kernel support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/sdb1 contains at least 133 sectors" i have loaded the sha256 module...
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07:55<fmb>easy, try path instead of ~ in the first one
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07:56<fmb>add bash on front on line 321
07:56<avtobiff>there is 2708 unallocated sectors on the SSD
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08:00<fmb>codeblue just got 4 lines, as bx ignored ya
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08:07<moen>hi, im new to debian, could someone tell me, what im doing wrong?
08:07<moen># apt-get install openssl
08:07<moen>Reading package lists... Done
08:07<moen>Building dependency tree... Done
08:07<moen>Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
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08:08<themill>dpkg: tell moen about bat
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08:08<avtobiff>i solved the cryptsetup issue, i hadn't loaded dm_crypt modules (but i had sha256)...
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08:10<fmb>script can run also like
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08:10<fmb>sleep=10 mof ~ -maxdepth 1
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08:12<fmb>-s means select, so u can just click on the term wind
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08:19<path>tomcat 6 isn't available on debian ?
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08:24<Silensius>debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso : it install which desktop by default pls gnome or kde ?
08:24<fmb>maybe none
08:24<fmb>otherwise anyway u select, to be downloaded
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08:25<Silensius>the lenny testing install by default gnome it's the raison why i ask it
08:25<themill>Silensius: if you select "desktop" you will get gnome. If you want other options, /msg dpkg install kde
08:25<Silensius>i will gnome :)
08:26<sep>path i'd say that is work in progress
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08:27<path>thanks seanius
08:27<path> any ideas ?
08:27<path>I'm trying to set a java application
08:27<path>& tomcat 5.5
08:28<Silensius>thanks themill very easy whith dpkg friend
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08:40<zren>I have a pretty wierd problem with my usb stick, If I plug it in, it settles correctly on sda as a removable disk, but when I try to fdisk /dev/sda, it tells me "Unable to open /dev/sda", someone has an idea how to handle my problem? or is my usb-stick just defect?
08:41<OdyX>tried as root '
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08:42<zren>fdisk is in /sbin for me, so it's only possible as root anyways
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08:46<philou>je viens de faire le choix de Linux... mais je bloque pour la configuration de ma boite mail...
08:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
08:47<philou>merci la compagnie...
08:47<fmb>= )
08:49<OdyX>/sbin/ifconfig is possible as user as counter-example ;)
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08:50<blockowitsch>zren: sure that it is sda? did you check dmesg?
08:50<__zren>OdyX, yes sorry
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08:50<__zren>blockowitsch, Yes I checked dmesg
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08:51<__zren>definitely settles to sda
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08:53<__zren>strange thing is that it is accepted like some kind of hub, where you can plug in some storage
08:53<blockowitsch>maybe something has already opened in exlusive mode (don't know if that is even possible)
08:54<blockowitsch>can you open it with somehing else?
08:54<blockowitsch>like hexdump
08:54<__zren>It settles and it has all the attributes an hdd has, but it is more like an empty controller, which understands everything, but has no storage attached to it
08:54<blockowitsch>or vi
08:54<__zren>blockowitsch, I'll give it a try
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08:54<blockowitsch>maybe the "write-protect" switch is on ;)
08:55<blockowitsch>i don't know how fdisk would react on that
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08:55<__zren>yeah I thought that too, but I didn't find one, don't know how these switches work
08:56<__zren>No way I can't access it with anything
08:56<blockowitsch>yeah me too, i still don't know if the os/driver is responsible for that or the stick
08:56<__zren>It always tells me no medium found
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08:56<blockowitsch>with root?
08:56<blockowitsch>ah ok
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08:56<blockowitsch>well that sounds strange
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08:56<jm_>__zren: you need to check kernel messages related to it
08:56<blockowitsch>is the correct kernel module loaded?
08:56<__zren>jm_, dmesg doesn't give me any errors or warnings
08:57<jm_>__zren: paste it on pastebin
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08:58<__zren>jm_, only the dmesg output or also something from /proc/scsi ?
08:58<seanius>path: eh?
08:58<jm_>__zren: just dmesg to compare it against known working output
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08:58<__zren>blockowitsch, yes other usb drives work
08:58<path>seanius, it a mistake :P
08:58<seanius>ok :)
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09:01<jm_>__zren: is that all?
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09:02<___zren>jm_, yes
09:03<___zren>jm_, well it's what happens when I plug it in
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09:03<___zren>sure there is more considering the whole boot process and stuff
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09:04<jm_>___zren: hmm I am seeing a lot more scsi related lines
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09:06<jm_>__zren: is your kernel up to date?
09:06<___zren>I just tried the stick on a friends windows machine and it also accepts it as a removable disk with no disk inserted, so maybe it's a problem with the stick itself...
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09:07<___zren>jm_, kernel is the 2.6.26-1-686 release from the official repositories
09:08<jm_>___zren: I also use 2.6.26 and I see more sd output
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09:08<jm_>___zren: yeah it's possible it's broken if two computers can't handle it
09:09<___zren>jm_, yes it's the most logic thing, both computers accept a different usb stick
09:09<___zren>without problems
09:09<___zren>and different OS
09:09<___zren>well thanks anyways
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09:25<Tuplad>Hey! I've got a problem with sound. I can play sound systemwide (eg. amarok, mplayer, totem, ...) but I can't get any sound in browser (eg. flashplayer). What can I do ? Here is information about my sound:
09:25<fmb>u d
09:26<jm_>Tuplad: did you try enabling DSP wrapper in browser?
09:27<jm_>sorry have to go
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09:28<Tuplad>jm_: hmm... but I can't play it in any browser. lets try iceweasel. in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc I find "ICEWEASEL_DSP="none"
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09:30<craigevil>change it to ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss"
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09:35<Tuplad>craigevil: no change
09:36<Tuplad>craigevil: I'm using gnome, and when I go to control panel > sound and choose ALSA and then press "Test", I get this error: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Couldn't find device to play. (translated)
09:36<craigevil>did you restart iceweasel? if your using flashplugin-nonfree you can try using flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
09:36<craigevil>ive ran gnome so im not much help there
09:36<craigevil>ive never ran
09:36<Tuplad>craigevil: I did restart iceweasel, and I'm using flashplugin-nonfree
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09:36<Tuplad>craigevil: lets try extrasound
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09:37<Tuplad>craigevil: yeah but errors are the same as in console... I can give you output of speaker-test if you want. but if I choose "autodetect" in those settings it plays it fine, if I choose OSS it plays sound too :O
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09:41<Tuplad>craigevil: extrasound doesn't help
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09:43<diego>hi, can anyone help with shell script ... I want to execute something (lets say "./myprogram") twice ... if I do `nohup ./myprogram &` `nohup ./myprogram &` ... shell script will wait for the first to finish (even it has &)
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09:43<simonrvn>insert a ;
09:44<fmb>hi sim+rvn = )
09:44<Tuplad>craigevil: could this be of any use ?
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09:45<craigevil>Tuplad: you could try running alsaconf, looks like its not finding your sound device
09:46<simonrvn>fmb: hi
09:46<Tuplad>craigevil: alsaconf doesn't find it either
09:47<Tuplad>craigevil: I've fixed this before once, someone helped me on this channel :p
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09:51<sheldonh>does cron-apt or apticron or something have "do this afterwards" hooks?
09:52<hollo>hi.. hmm about networking, i was just told that a dude got ip-addr, thats not possible as far as i know.. that seems to be a subnet :/ do anyone have any thoughts?
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09:53<sheldonh>hollo: valid ip address, just not publically routable
09:55<hollo>SharkMa-san, hmm.. okay, this is strange.. then my device seems kind of broken.. i will not detect this net as a valid net.. zyxel device.. :/ well then i can reverse this jobs.. and block anything besides the correct net.
09:57<weasel>sheldonh: weeeeeeeeeeeeeell,
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09:57<sheldonh>weasel: i see bug 428966 around the same issue :)
09:58<weasel> is "this network", so taking an address from that range might have a few interesting side effects
09:58<sheldonh>weasel: oh, another thing :)
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09:58<sheldonh>weasel: would be fun to see how well a lan explodes in 0.1/16 :)
09:59<sheldonh>way irritating that cron-apt doesn't allow arbitrary shell scripts
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10:42<fmb>is there some arch> upgrade ?
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10:45<kop>fmb: you mean to switch from i386 to amd64?
10:45<kop>fmb: There's nothing like that, AFAIK.
10:46<jaybocc2>you might be able to, but it would be a horrifying nightmare
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10:46<jaybocc2>i would personally just backup configs, get a list of installed packages
10:46<jaybocc2>and do a fresh install
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10:47<kop>jaybocc2 : Yeah, get a list of installed packages that were not automatically installed. (There's a dpkg factoid.... somewhere.)
10:47<kop>jaybocc2 : And backup at least parts of var too. At least /var/spool.
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10:50<themill>!debian clone
10:50<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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10:52<OdyX>!aptitude clone
10:52<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>.
10:55<themill>cloning using aptitude also preserves information about what packages were manually installed vs automatically installed
10:55<tzafrir_laptop>kop, view '+/Table 2.1. Quick guide to search terms' /usr/share/aptitude/README
10:55<tzafrir_laptop>is there actually a more accessible reference?
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10:57<themill>tzafrir_laptop: the aptitude-doc package contains a good reference
10:57<themill>!aptitude search
10:57<dpkg>aptitude search is documented in the package aptitude-doc-en, specifically /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html .
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11:03<tosi>i wonder why when i boot or come out of sleep my eee often shows a black error screen for a few seconds that says pciehp already exists
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11:10<tosi>no ideas?
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11:51<blockowitsch>is it possible to set a system wide (socks) proxy?
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11:52<metalqga>is kde going to become more popular (much more devs and apps) than gnome (related to the news Qt Everywhere: 4.5 To Be Relicensed As LGPL)
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11:52<enouf>blockowitsch: not sure about socks, but you can set HTTP_PROXY=
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11:54<tosi>damn ive tried a few of these media players for debian but noone of them are like what i want... i just want to be able to view my library and make drag drop playlists in a lightwieght player... is there anything like this?
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11:55<metalqga>songbird (but not that lightweight)
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11:55<metalqga>it's based on firefox
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11:55<FoxM>Hi there.... I heard compiz has a plugin to take a series of screenshots and put the resulting files on the desktop. Is there any way to do the same thing with KDE (without compiz) via knapshot or any other program?
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12:00<tosi>hmm im going to try this atunes
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12:09<jaybocc2>anybody know if thereis a way to make debian 4.0r6 desktop compatable with say, a digital camera
12:10<jaybocc2>for bringing pictures off the camera to the pc?
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12:18<metalqga>jaybocc2 have you ever tried?
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12:19<jaybocc2>yea nothing happens when plugging the camera in
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12:20<metalqga>this camera acts like a usb flash drive when mounted or...?
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12:20<jaybocc2>i believe it does so, somewhat
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12:21<jaybocc2>in windows it automatically tries to pull the pictures. But also mounts it as a flash type drive.
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12:21<jaybocc2>so would i have to mount it in the desktop as a flash drive basically then?
12:21<metalqga>it should work then, check the cable and connections
12:23<themill>digikam is excellent for grabbing the photos and then putting them in albums for you. f-spot is another option.
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12:23<metalqga>the problem is that it won't mount, me thinks
12:24<themill>using something that is based on the gphoto library is a good start though... it will work out how to talk to the camera for you
12:25<metalqga>jaybocc2, listen to themill
12:25<jaybocc2>i'm not home atm, so i'll try it when i get off work... and i'll look at the possible solutions
12:25<jaybocc2>i was just bench racing atm :P
12:25<jaybocc2>and cool, thanks themill
12:25<[Muel]Eliot>I require a proxy ip address, and port. Please....
12:26<jaybocc2>and metal :)
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12:31<jaybocc2>so i must confess a sin
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12:31<jaybocc2>i went to experiment with a couple centos setups
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12:32<jaybocc2>was not really that satisfied with it.
12:33<jaybocc2>pretty functional but a viable upgrade path is kinda ugly and some control i like with the debian base install just was a little difficult to get.
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13:01<reiner1>hallo an alle
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13:02<And1>Hai guise, how can I find out, why my webcam doesn't work with uvc and ekiga?
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13:11<DJNomad>anyone that can help a xubuntu newbie? after installing graphics driver and restarting I lost both the task bars somehow
13:12<newsense>ask in #ubuntu
13:13<DJNomad>ok thanks
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13:15<chealer>!tell And1 about doesn't work
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13:17<And1>chealer: kthx, my webcam doesn't show me a picture in ekiga or cheese. That's all I can tell you, that's why I want to find out, how to find out, what doesn't work.
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13:19<chealer>And1: which Debian suite do you use?
13:20<And1>chealer: Lenny. uvc gets loaded when I plug my camera in my USB port.
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13:20<And1>v4l 1 and 2 are installed and also luvcview and uvc-video.
13:20<And1>s/uvc-video/uvccapture, sorry.
13:21<chealer>And1: so the camera works with luvcview?
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13:21<stuc>Hello... can you read this
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13:22<And1>chealer: I don't see a picture, but I don't get any errors.
13:22<stuc>I have a new internet connection I am trying to troubleshoot... anyzone able to offer me help?
13:22<reiner1>german channel?
13:22<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
13:22<And1>chealer: "mplayer -fps 20 tv://" works.
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13:23<stuc>i have one computer which i know has a working internet connection... when i plug it into the routher, it says that it is waiting for dhcp offers but then sazs it doesnt receive any
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13:23<stuc>what should i do?
13:24<jaybocc2>plug what into the router?
13:24<stuc>i have pluged the computer into the routher via a ethernet cable
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13:24<stuc>ive tested this computer with ethernet before and it worked... so i know its something with the routher
13:25<stuc>im trying to trouble shoot this
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13:25<E0x>maybe the router don't have the dhcp server enable
13:25<adama>configure the router to hand out DHCP
13:25<chealer>And1: which uvc modules did you try?
13:26<stuc>what if i cant access the router to do this? any options?
13:26<adama>stuc you can set a static IP on the same subnet as the router , then browse to it
13:26<E0x>check the ip that the pc working have , and use the same for the one that don't work
13:26<jaybocc2>be sure to set a gateway
13:26<stuc>okay i have to write this down...
13:27<And1>chealer: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/uvc/uvcvideo.ko
13:27<adama>setting a gateway is not necessary unless you want to get past the router
13:27<newsense>dont use the same exact ip change the last octec to be unique so you dont get an ip conflict
13:27<adama>stuc: how many computers are plugged in the router?
13:27<stuc>3 at the most
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13:28<adama>and only the one does not work?
13:28<chealer>And1: which version of linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 do you use?
13:28<stuc>as far as i know....
13:28<adama>work === get an IP
13:28<And1>chealer: 2.6.26-12
13:28<adama>stuc can you manage the router from one of the other computers?
13:28<stuc>adama... okay what exactlz do i need to do
13:29<stuc>adama thats not likely... but perhaps
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13:30<adama>stuc: go onto a computer that has working IP from DHCP from the router, then use ifconfig or ipconfig/all (on windows cmd) to see the "default gateway", then browse to that gateway IP with a web browser
13:30<newsense>stuc, is this a router you purchased or built yoursellf ?
13:30<chealer>And1: I suggest trying with -13, which is only in unstable. please report if that helps, because I think we share that bug. If you don't, I'll try in maybe an hour and tell you.
13:30<adama>but if the router is giving out IPs to one computer it should for others
13:31<adama>unless the IP pool is very small
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13:31<adama>do you have Ethernet link lights when plugging the computer into the router?
13:31<And1>chealer: Hrm, don't have unstable... :/
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13:31<stuc>newsense no
13:32<adama>stuc: "no" is not a valid answer to his question...
13:32<stuc>adama the routher lights light up but not on my computer... it doesnt have lights (powerbook)
13:33<stuc>newsense, adama, sorry... neither. its a router from a german ip provider... it was at my home when i got there
13:33<newsense>stuc, do you have dhcp enabled for the interface ? auto line in /etc/network/interfaces
13:33<stuc>newsesnse it should read 'auto eth0 inet dhcp' ... right
13:34<adama>stuc: not exactly
13:34<stuc>newsense i know the computer is good because it works with other internets
13:34<stuc>i dont have this computer with me now
13:34<stuc>im using a friends computer
13:34<stuc>because mine doesnt have internet
13:34<fmb>merci, kop
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13:35<adama>it should say "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" on 2 lines, that's what mine says anyways
13:35<adama>stuc: try "dhclient eth0" as root
13:35<stuc>adama ... is there any other information you could give me that might could help
13:35<newsense>if he doesnt want to check than i guess it isnt going to work is it
13:36<stuc>adama when i do that it sazs no dhcp offers received
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13:36<adama>stuc: do you see the traffic light blink on the router ehn you make those requests?
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13:36<newsense>stuc, any errors in the daemon.log
13:36<stuc>sorrz im using a german kezboard and the y and z are backwards
13:37<stuc>adama no but ill look for that... if thez do what does that mean and if thez dont what does that mean?
13:37<stuc>newsense where is this log located
13:37<newsense>grep 'dhclient' /var/log/daemon.log
13:37<adama>stuc: if they don't your cable might be faulty, you may be using a crossover
13:37<adama>or could be a bad port on the router
13:38<stuc>adama i tried different ports and different cables
13:38<adama>I would try setting the IP statically in /etc/network/interfaces
13:38<stuc>adama and if that doesnt work, then what would zou trz
13:38<newsense>yeah checking ports/bables/setting static ip all good first steps
13:39<newsense>also make sure you dont have mac filtering on the router as well or a shallow dhcp pool
13:39<stuc>oh adama... zou said to run ifconfig on the windows command.... but i dont know how to access the windows command
13:40<adama>in windows it's ipconfig/all
13:40<adama>to see the default gateway
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13:40<newsense>stuc: cmd or command from start>run
13:40<stuc>i need more details if zou can give it i dont konw a thing about windows
13:40<adama>yeah, start - run - cmd - ipconfig/all
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13:41<stuc>okaz thanks
13:41<stuc>and that will show me the default gatewaz
13:41<newsense>stuc, than browse to the default gateway ip in your www browser and check dhcp pool or such and mac filtering
13:42<stuc>and the deftaul gateway takes me to the routher page
13:42<adama>you will have to log in to the router, hopefully you have the login & password
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13:42<stuc>adama i dont
13:42<adama>yes, e.g.
13:42<stuc>but thats okaz i will trz this
13:43<adama>stuc: well you can lookup the router model on the Internet and see if they come with a "default" login/pass, and home it hasn't been changed
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13:43<stuc>okay, thanks... anzthing else before I go trz this?
13:43<adama>if it has you can probably reset it with a button on the unit ....
13:43<newsense>stuc, a lot of em use admin admin or admin password or just blank for user/pass
13:44<stuc>i see
13:44<adama>do you know what brand of router it is?
13:44<stuc>adama im not sure no
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13:44<stuc>but the people there said they have been using it
13:45<stuc>but thez dont know the damn password... or essid... can you believe it
13:45<adama>damn windows users...
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13:45<stuc>makes me want to go burn something
13:45<newsense>stuc, burn some for me !
13:46<stuc>that is likely to happen to-night, windows and routers are just too much
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13:46<newsense>stuc, once ya grasp it its really very simple
13:46<stuc>okay im going togo test now, perhaps i will come back later with more questions
13:47<newsense>well the router part windows always blows
13:47<stuc>any last advice?
13:47<adama>"don't wear radioactive underwear"
13:47<newsense>just do what we suggested and you should at least have enough info that way it doesnt work
13:47<stuc>okaz thanks bye
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13:48<newsense>excuse my last sentence dont know what that was supposed to mean
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13:55<adama>problem... I am suddenly unable to run GLX programs, I think. E.g. glxgears, mu-cade, even glxinfo, all die with this errors: ...when I did "strace glxinfo" it said "access("/etc/", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" a lot
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14:03<chealer>And1: I'm rebooting
14:03<And1>chealer: Kay, thanks for testing. :)
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14:05<klim>need help, my pptpd connection broken after few minets from start. error in log: ip-down ppp0, who can help me?
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14:06<lucas_>Hi all
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14:06<lucas_>i have a small question
14:07<lucas_>does anyone know a linux distribution which works with the PS3 and wich recognize directly the wifi card?
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14:07<FoxM>Hi there.... I heard compiz has a plugin to take a series of screenshots and put the resulting files on the desktop. Is there any way to do the same thing with KDE (without compiz) via knapshot or any other program?
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14:08<newsense>lucas_, ubuntu will debian has a ps3 version but i dont believe wifi is available via install time
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14:09<newsense>lucas_, you can use a ppc debian installer too but youll need a different initrd or initramfs that has modules for ps3 to be able to start the installer l
14:10<newsense>lucas_, i got debian on my ps3 personally
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14:10<fmb>the PS3 is ppc compatible ?
14:10<lucas_>newsense, ok but does it recognize the wifi? i've tried Yellow dog (wich was espacially build for ps3) and wifi dont works
14:10<chealer>And1: -13 fixed it. I expect that will be the same for you.
14:10<lucas_>as for open suse 11
14:11<fmb>YDL was my first linux.. it got owned as nothing
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14:11<newsense>lucas_, i tried ubuntu and it did
14:11<fmb>and its rh based
14:11<lucas_>did your debian ps3 recognize wifi? ( without complicated manipulations :( )
14:11<And1>chealer: Ok, thanks. - What do you think, when will -13 be availabe for Lenny?
14:11<newsense>lucas_, i tried the debian ps3 installer and ethernet works during install time i believe
14:11<lucas_>ubuntu? the last one? and does it support 1080p resolution?
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14:12<newsense>lucas_, i never really looked into it but it should its a kernel thing not a distro thing
14:12<fmb>its easy
14:12<newsense>the upstream kerenel has had support for ps3 video for some time now as well as other ps3 hardware
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14:14<fmb>now much bogomips ?
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14:14<lucas_>ok, but i dont need wifi during the install. If it works once installed and 1080p too then ubuntu is the good one
14:15<chealer>And1: it is already *available* for lenny. it may never reach lenny though (-13 properly, maybe a later version will)
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14:15<lucas_>last question, does it detect the Cell several cores?
14:15<And1>chealer: I see. Ok thanks for testing and helping and everything. :)
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14:35<lucianasilva>someone have already installer redmine in debian 4.0?
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14:35<stuc>hello adama newsense
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14:36<newsense>make any progress ?
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14:36<stuc>i ran the command like adama told me and now i see... ip address. subnet mask , and stadardgawaz, and then dns server has two addreses
14:37<stuc>which one do i need to put into a browser to look at the routhers configuration
14:37<stuc>it says here that hdcp is not activeted... so i guess that would explain why it isnät given me a dhcp adress when i trz to plug it in
14:38<stuc>newsense it doesnt go to anzthing wheni put that address in
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14:38<stuc>just a blank page in the browser#
14:38<newsense>you didnt put www before the number did ya ?
14:38<stuc>nope just the number
14:38<stuc>but this is written in german and it is... Standardgateway
14:39<stuc>im guessing thats what zou mean by default gateway
14:39<stew>NCommander: congrats btw.
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14:39<stuc>there isnt any thing else called gateway
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14:39<newsense>i havent touched a windows box in years besides the occasional virus cleanup for neighbors from memory its listed as default gateway
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14:40<NCommander>stew, thank you :-)
14:40<stuc>yeah well im sure thats got to be it... standardgateway is how it is written in the german version of windows
14:40<stew>NCommander: i just caught up on -nm emails :)
14:40<FoxM>Hi there.... I heard compiz has a plugin to take a series of screenshots and put the resulting files on the desktop. Is there any way to do the same thing with KDE (without compiz) via knapshot or any other program?
14:40<stuc>adama you there?
14:40<NCommander>stevecotton, its amazing I managed to live to see the end of it
14:40<NCommander>er, stew
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14:41<stew>NCommander: bah, you went through in half the time i did :)
14:41<newsense>stuc run traceroute and the first hop should be your gateway
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14:42<stuc>newsense says that command isnt found
14:42<newsense>not sure if windows traceroute app is traceroute or tracert
14:42<stuc>im in the windows command thing now by the way
14:42<geltonas>who knows is it possible to covert win software to ubuntu software?
14:43<newsense>if ya got the source most likely
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14:44<drone77>newsense, stuc it's tracert
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14:44<stuc>drone77 okay now where is the number i need to go into the router settings thing?
14:45<newsense>i thought so, only supported windows wlan hardware for 2 years but its been a while
14:45<newsense>enter the first hops ip in the www browser no www. before it
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14:46<stuc>says it cant connect... firefox sazs it isnt written correctlz
14:46<newsense>stuc, someimes a browsers pllugins might try to redirect you to a search if this happens ente into start>run
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14:46<stuc>newsense that isnt happening this time
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14:47<newsense>you using a proxy for www ?
14:47<stuc>i have no idea... im ata new house and thez epole that have been using this dont know a thing about it
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14:48<stuc>its just a mystery bos
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14:50<stuc>newsense i found the wireless networking details menu... threw which this computer is connected to the internet
14:50<stuc>it doesnt list a default gate waz but it has the ip address of this computer
14:50<stuc>will that help
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14:54<stuc>hello i have a router that im trzing to connect to but all i get is a message that says no dhcpoffers received
14:54<stuc>can anzone offer me some assistenc
14:54<newsense>sorry had a little meeting to attent
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14:54<newsense>stuc, what is the dhcp pool set to ?
14:54<newsense>look for anything related to dhcp
14:54<stuc>newsense where do i find this information
14:55<stuc>okay looking in command thing
14:55<newsense>stuc, its different depending on the router
14:55<newsense>lan settings id think
14:55<newsense>local network or lan settings
14:55<newsense>than look for dhcp
14:55<stuc>newsense wait... what do i tzpe in
14:55<stuc>i tzped ifconfig/all
14:56<newsense>stuc, this is in the browser at the routers setup page
14:56<stuc>newsense i never made it that far
14:56<stuc>i cant get to that page
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14:57<newsense>stuc whats the ip of the gateway ?
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14:57<stuc> ... its identical to the ip address listed in ifconfig
14:58<blaw>hi all
14:58<stuc>theres two ip adresses listed for dnsßserver... then subnetmask... then ip adress and standardgatewaz which are identcal
14:58<newsense>stuc, than nat is disabled in the router
14:58<stuc>whats nat?
14:58<stuc>and what does this mean if its disabled?
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14:58<newsense>ask dpkg about it
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14:59<newsense>!tell stuc about nat
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14:59<stuc>newsense okay so ... where do I need to go from here to get this working?
15:00<stuc>this router is workign with this computer i am on right now threw a wireless connection
15:00<newsense>stuc, and no other computers right
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15:00<stuc>perhaps i can try to get a wireless connection working on the linux machine, insted of ethernet and then go from there?
15:00<stuc>but, what does it mean if nat is disabled?
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15:01<newsense>nat basically takes you wanip in your case and basically lets you share it with many computers via nat
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15:01<stuc>newsese i know the ESSID of the wireless connection... but im not sure about the password and the tzpe of encrzption being used.. is there a waz i can extract this from the computer Im using_
15:01<Azoff>I'm using a tele2 sip to make telephone calls, how do I make this work behind a debian gateway?
15:01<newsense>google it if youre not farmiliar
15:02<Azoff>I have forworded the ports I found using tcpdump, but can't call out nor call in.
15:02<newsense>stuc, look on the bottom of the router if not you might be able to reset it and if its default mode is nat router it should work
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15:02<stuc>newsense just push the reset button?
15:02<stuc>and then what will this allow me to do?
15:02<newsense>stuc, what type of connection is this ?
15:02<stuc>newsense its a wireless router...
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15:03<stuc>its connected to some sort of dsl shit
15:03<newsense>cable dsl fiiber .. ?
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15:03<newsense>ok and you running a pppoe client on the computer that works ?
15:03<stuc>newsense what is a pppoe client ... how do i know if this computer is urnning it
15:04<newsense>its software that makes the pppoe connection
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15:04<stuc>this isnt mz computer... i know nothing about it, do zou know how to check and see if it is running this client
15:04<newsense>if your modem were in routing mode or nat you could have it make the pppoe connection and share the wanip amongst your lan via private ips via nat
15:05<stuc>there have been two computers connected to this router... if that helps you
15:06<newsense>stuc, wellfrom what im getting ithe box is as far as now acting as a modem with wireless capabilities
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15:06<newsense>not doing any nat routing
15:06<stuc>newsense im sure that two computers have been connected to it wirelessly... im positive of that.
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15:06<newsense>and they can do this "now"
15:07<stuc>unfortnuately no, both of these people arent here
15:07<stuc>newsense... should I go hit the reset button and then see if I can get into the modem settings after that?
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15:07<stuc>newsense... so whats going to happen is that im going to get a gatewaz address thats different from the ip adress thats listen in the ifconfg/all after I reset the modem, and that should allow me to get into the modem settings? right?
15:07<newsense>stuc thats a decision youll have to make
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15:08<newsense>stuc, should
15:08<renatokrause>first thanks for any contribution
15:08<renatokrause>i try to update my netinstall etch to lenny and fail
15:08<newsense>stuc, but than youd have to have the modem make the pppoe connection for ya which youd need username/password most likely
15:08<stuc>or I could try to make a wireless connection... do you know how I could get enough information out of this computer do to that?
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15:08<renatokrause>i modify the /etc/apt/sources.list
15:08<stuc>shit, i cant reallz do that then
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15:09<renatokrause>change the etch for lenny
15:09<newsense>stuc, ifits using encryption the key might be on the bottom of the box
15:09<renatokrause>was execute: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
15:09<stuc>newsense oh its not, thatd be too convienent
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15:10<newsense>!tell renatokrause about etch->lenny
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15:11<stuc>newsense... wait i found something about PPPoE connection... could this be helpful?
15:11<stuc>theres something here on this commuter... near where it sazs the time... it has something thats taling about a wireless connection then it has something which is talking about PPPoE
15:12<stuc>newsense then plase tell me what to do with this!
15:12<newsense>stuc, im in a good mood and have no problem helping you but we should take this to a private chat to not dirty the channel
15:12<stuc>okay pm me
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15:13<renatokrause>thanks newsense
15:13<renatokrause>im work in this now
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15:14<newsense>excellent :)
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15:15<leonhearth>need help
15:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:16<OdyX>!tell leonhearth about ask
15:16<OdyX>that dpkg produces weird habits ;)
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15:17<renatokrause>newsense, problem
15:18<renatokrause>it continue no upgrade
15:18<renatokrause>when i execute: aptitude install dpkg aptitude
15:18<renatokrause>0 package return
15:19<renatokrause>it change nothing
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15:19<newsense>you dont have dpkg installed already ?
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15:20<leonhearth>i have a question about installing ATI non-free drivers on last release os Debian
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15:20<leonhearth>i have problems
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15:21<jackyf>leonhearth: ?
15:22<leonhearth>I install the ATI drivers and when i restart Gnome appear a green lighting screen
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15:22<owhdofwhii0>if i have lilo installed can i later install grub?
15:22<renatokrause>i execute too:
15:23<renatokrause>aptitude safe-upgrade
15:23<renatokrause>and it dont find
15:23<renatokrause>not found i wanna say
15:23<leonhearth>(blinking green screen whith other color pixels
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15:24<renatokrause>newsense, i dont know what can i do.
15:24<leonhearth>install the ATI drivers and when i restart Gnome appear a blinking green screen whith other color pixels
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15:25<leonhearth>i have a question: install the ATI drivers and when i restart Gnome appear a blinking green screen whith other color pixels
15:25<owhdofwhii0>use Nvidia
15:26<drone77>!tell leonhearth about wait
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15:26<dpkg>If noone has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about debian, linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Also see <repeat> and <ask>
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15:28<owhdofwhii0>noone is spelled no one or rather nobody to be safe
15:28<leonhearth>But i dont have this option
15:28<barnes>owhdofwhii0 yes you can install grub if you have lilo now
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15:30<owhdofwhii0>could someone mitm a debian repo using arp spoofing and host a bogus package?
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15:30<owhdofwhii0>or is that what the keyrings are for?
15:30<leonhearth>"I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software and I get the following output : Green Blinkig screen.
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15:33<leonhearth>I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software. When i restart the gnome the screen turns green blinking some other colors
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15:33<randomhandle>if you ask again then i'll have to ask my question again and people will get mad because we keep asking our questions over and over again and not waiting
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15:33<randomhandle>pls stop :(
15:36<leonhearth>I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software. When i restart the gnome the screen turns green blinking some other colors. Can anyone please help?
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15:38<leonhearth>I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software. When i restart the gnome the screen turns green blinking some other colors. Can anyone please help?
15:39<leonhearth>I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software catalyst driver (8.12). When i restart the gnome the screen turns green blinking some other colors. Can anyone please help to install it correctly?
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15:40<jackyf>leonhearth: proprietary drives can not work at all
15:40<tosi>damn ive tried a few of these media players for debian but noone of them are like what i want... i just want to be able to view my library and make drag drop playlists in a lightwieght player... is there anything like this?
15:41<randomhandle>jackyf: yes they cay. nvidia works just fine
15:41<jackyf>at certain cards and/or certain circumstances
15:41<jackyf>randomhandle: usually better, but far from ideal
15:41<tosi>i downloaded a apps tar.gz and opened it... where do i extract that content
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15:42<jackyf>tosi: man tar
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15:42<tosi>? no im using squeeze to open it i just dont know where to put the folder so i can use the program
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15:43<randomhandle>is it source code? do you need to compile it yourself?
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15:43<tosi>no it has an exe in there
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15:44<tosi>i dont know how to download and install programs at all, i only know how to find them on aptitude
15:44<randomhandle>is it a win32 program?
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15:44<randomhandle>are you sure it is a linux version?
15:44<tosi>i just need to learn how to actually install anything i download
15:44<jackyf>tosi: man aptitude
15:45<jackyf>man apt howto
15:45<jackyf>google(apt howto)
15:45<jackyf>debian is not windows
15:45<randomhandle>i think he knows how to do that
15:45<tosi>yes i can do that
15:45<randomhandle>but it looks like he is trying to run windows software on linux
15:46<tosi>if i want that app, how do i install it, do they have a sources.list entry i can put or which one do i download
15:46<randomhandle>probably not
15:46<tosi>so how do i install that? or anything i want to install without aptitude install
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15:48<randomhandle>that looks like a java package
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15:49<tosi>just answer this, is aptitude install the only way to install programs/packages/whatever on debian
15:49<jaybocc2>you can compile and install yourself
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15:50<tosi>how is that done?
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15:50<randomhandle>or you can download a deb package and use alien or dpkg
15:50<randomhandle>but i think the package you downloaded is a java package
15:50<tosi>how does the coder of atunes (that link) expect debian users to install his app
15:51<mani_>can anybody how to install the sys/socket.h file library in linux
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15:51<mani_>can anybody tell mehow to install the sys/socket.h file library in linux
15:51<randomhandle>tosi: did you unrar the archive?
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15:51<simonrvn>tosi: via the official repos? set up his/her own repo?
15:51<tosi>how? where can i find the line to add to the repo
15:51<randomhandle>he doesn't understand it's a java archive. you run it with java. you dont install it with a repo
15:52<randomhandle>stop telling him that
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15:52<simonrvn>randomhandle: oh, it's a jar, ok.
15:52<pippo>I'm looking for a pdf viewer (like kpdf) but I would like highlight the text or add notes. I'm using kde 3.5. Maybe in Kde the default viewer ha this it possible run it in kde 3.5?
15:53<DervishD>Hey guys, I've encountered a weird problem. I just installed linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 and all of a sudden I have two dvd devices. One is cdrom-1 and the other cd-rw/dvd+-rw station. The thing is I have only drive in my PC so I'm guessing udev is acting wierd. Does anybody have an idea whta could be causing this?
15:53<simonrvn>tosi: see what randomhandle said
15:53<simonrvn>that's what you get for coming in the middle of convos ;)
15:53<tosi>just extract to a folder on my desktop and run?
15:53<simonrvn>java -jar thatfile.jar
15:54<randomhandle>tosi: you got the wrong one
15:54<randomhandle>you got the exe. that's for windows. you need the .jar or the tar.gz one
15:54<randomhandle>those are for linux
15:54<randomhandle>go back to sourceforge and redownload
15:54<tosi>i have the tar.gz one
15:54<simonrvn>so if it's named thatdumbthing.jar you do java -jar thatdumbthing.jar
15:54<tosi>i have the tar.gz one and it has an exe in it
15:54<tosi>get the jar? im on debian with gnome
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15:55<randomhandle>wait. what?
15:55*simonrvn stays out of it again
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15:56<randomhandle>tosi: hold on. i'll just grab it and walk through it
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15:57<simonrvn>for having the patience to deal with it
15:57<leonhearth>I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software. When i restart the gnome the screen turns green blinking some other colors. Can anyone please help?
15:57<randomhandle>hey simonrvn. i was wondering, could someone mitm a debian repo and host a malicious package? or is that what the keyrings are for?
15:57<tosi>sorry my brain is very windows associated... im trying to bend it into the linux flow for good
15:57<simonrvn>sure they could, and having a gpg key won't stop people from doing that.
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15:58<simonrvn>this is why the official repos do, to make sure that sort of shit doesn't happen.
15:58*simonrvn won't go into past history
15:59<leonhearth>I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software catalyst driver (8.12). When i restart the gnome the screen turns green blinking some other colors. Can anyone please help to install it correctly? (i made it works on Kurumin Linux)
15:59<simonrvn>easily readable about though
15:59<randomhandle>tar -xvf aTunes_1.11.2.tar.gz && cd aTunes
16:00<leonhearth>I have a problem with ATI drivers; I'm running Debian version 4,0 r6. when I try to do install the ATI Software catalyst driver (8.12). When i restart the gnome the screen turns green blinking some other colors. Can anyone please help to install it correctly? (i made it works on Kurumin Linux [debian based])
16:00<Txt-file>leonhearth: I no error is shown, it would be more difficult
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16:01<leonhearth>the error is: after instalation ,
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16:01<leonhearth>x dont works anymore, a need to return xorg.conf backup
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16:02<leonhearth>I need
16:02<chack-1>hello : i have a problem with iptables : if i add some rules . i cam back (iptables -L) and there is nothing
16:02<chack-1>some one can help me plz
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16:03<simonrvn>leonhearth: why are installing that shit?
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16:03<leonhearth>because i need 3D power
16:03<Txt-file>leonhearth: does the radeon or radeonhd driver work
16:03<simonrvn>that's not how you do it
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16:03<Tuplad>I would like to fix my sound. I have sound in amaroK, but not in Totem and flashplayer etc. In gnome my settings are on autodetect. This is my sound information: and this is output of speaker-test: Could anyone help out a little ? :D
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16:04<Txt-file>leonhearth: for what you need the 3D-accelleration??
16:05<leonhearth>i use the generic drive, but i need 3D power to Run Cad 3D and other softwares
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16:05<leonhearth>i need 3D power to Run Cad 3D and other softwares
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16:06<woold>I'm getting an out of memory error with Perl on Lenny...
16:06<woold>It happens when I try to load a cpan module via command line eg: cpan -i CPAN
16:07<Tuplad>Anyone ? ^.^
16:07<leonhearth>(free versions of CAD, and other 3D redering programs)
16:07<woold>It is occurring on several servers all with 2.6.26 kernels
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16:07<woold>Any ideas?
16:08<Txt-file>leonhearth: the driver is correct installed??
16:08<ranix>woold: you're out of memory
16:08<ranix>woold: you have ceased to remember
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16:09<leonhearth>txt-file i think it is, there is no error on installing
16:09<mani_>how can I install the sys/socket.h file library in my system
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16:09<woold>Doesn't make sense, for example free shows 3159 meg free
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16:10<leonhearth>txt-file it install well, but when i press ctrl + Alt+ backspace for restart X, the x stop workling corretly
16:10<Txt-file>leonhearth: then I have only one idea ... check the xorg.conf ...
16:11<randomhandle>hey. what's the right chmod string to make an file executable for user?
16:11<leonhearth>txt-file check in what part?
16:11<mani_>how can I install the sys/socket.h file library in my system
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16:12<leonhearth>txt-file i tried to find some error, but i dont found any Great error
16:12<leonhearth>(rustic error)
16:13<leonhearth>txt-file can you see my xorg.conf?
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16:13<Txt-file>leonhearth: please pastebin your xorg.conf ... someone other some ideas
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16:17<lionheath2>txt-file, how to paste whithout be kicked?
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16:18<randomhandle>simonrvn: i was talking about someone using mitm on a official repo
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16:25<leohear>txt-file i have some errors here
16:25<leohear>this is the pastebin
16:25<leohear> please take a look
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16:27<Txt-file>leohear: you should correct your xorg.conf ... there are two monitor, device & screen sections
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16:27<leohear>(i am not on mirc)
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16:30<leohear>yes, but on start, it point what of they will be used
16:30<leohear>in line 3 (i commented it)
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16:31<pippo>I could I have a nice console (with colour) on my debian? I have to do all by my hands or there is some nice script o confiration file to copy?
16:31<leohear>i really need to delete others?
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16:32<Txt-file>leohear: set the first monitor and device and the second screen as comment
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16:33<leohear>please wait
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16:36<leohear>txt-file like that ?
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16:37<Txt-file>leohear: yeah
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16:38<leohear>u are sure that it will work?
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16:39<Txt-file>but I would try it
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16:40<leohear>i come back soon
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16:48<spande>how do I prevent a module from loading in etch backport kernel? trident sound module loads up and screws my sound up. removing it and all the snd modules, then modprobing correctly without trident gets sound working right.
16:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 368] by debhelper
16:49<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
16:49<spande>thanks txt-file
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16:52<spande>Txt-file : um... the header to blacklist (not blacklist local( says doesn&t affect kernel autoloading. I get the problem during boot.
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16:53<Txt-file>spande: then I have no idea
16:53<spande>oh, and how do I fix my japanese keyboard so that chars match what&s on keyboard <question>
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16:54<spande>Txt-file : well, I will try it anyway. Just in case I misunderstood it.
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16:55<spande>another fun thing: my pccard wlan0 needs a sorta jump start.
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16:56<Zathras>Hi. On Debian Lenny I have 2 soundcards but only one can be used under ALSA (aplayer -l lists just one card), however alsaconf (depricated) sees all cards and allows me to "switch" cards.
16:57<Zathras>I also found an issue about soundcards during booting. relevant dmesg can be seen on:
16:57<ranix>alsaconf is deprecarted?
16:57<Zathras>any ideas please?
16:57<spande>I have to do an iwconfig to set settings. then dhclient to discover dhcp stuff, then while it is discovering it needs another iwconfig before dhcp will actually grab. Sound familiar *etch backport and rtl8180 card(
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16:58<ranix>ok, switched keyboards
16:58<Zathras>alsaconf & udev.....
16:58<spande>Zathras : tried amixer to handle <question>
16:58<ranix>since when is alsaconf deprecated?
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16:59<Zathras>on version 1.0.16 it says: that it is not needed when running testing or sid
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17:00<Zathras>as udev is now they way to load soundcards
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17:00<Zathras>I find it strange that aplay -l shows only one card where alsaconf shows all of them
17:01<Zathras>spande, amixer is a mixer and is at a higher level
17:01<gsimmons>spande: What settings do you need to configure before and during a DHCP request?
17:01<Zathras>like alsa gnome mixer
17:01<Zathras>and I still have that dmesg issue
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17:02<spande>Zathras - but does it handle both cardsi if you use it <question>. as for dmesg - shucks I have that with my wifi and I am using it to irc right here
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17:02<spande>gsimmons - hello again - I was peej earlier
17:03<spande>now connected with that card
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17:04<leohear>txt-file, it wont work
17:04<spande>I just set <blush> iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys -key is off and mode managed. dhcp wlan0
17:04<spande>gsimmons - works with pccard and etch backport kernel.
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17:05<spande>gsimmons - I do have to use pccardctl suspend and resume first to get the card going too.
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17:05<Zathras>amixer sees only 1 card (as expected)
17:06<spande>Zathras: counting from zero I hope <smiley>
17:06<Zathras>btw alsaconf does actually unmute, set volume etc, but also gives at the end: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
17:07<Zathras>yes yes: amixer -c 0 works amixer -c 1 does not
17:07<Zathras>as said before: I think a mixer is at a way to high level for the issue I am having
17:08<spande>how do I get my japanese keyboard to print chars on keyboard on screen
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17:08<leohear>txt-file, it wont work, but thanks for helping
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17:09<spande>Zathras : rmmods , then try insmodding or modprobing ina another sequence <question>
17:09<leohear>txt-file, it wont work, but thanks for helping, and sorry for my bad english
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17:24<tosi>i have a java pack installing with aptitude that might take an hour but im leaving for liek 4 hours is there a way to que another install?
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17:26<Zathras>with aptitude you can have a list of packages to be downloaded
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17:27<tosi>i know but ive already started one
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17:27<tosi>no way to start/que another until its done?
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17:29<Elessar>is it normal that the debian live lenny beta 2 weights more than a cd's capacity?
17:29<Pmarc>hinge_cut, I am trying since yesterday to safe-upgrade, but keep getting an error when upgrading flex.
17:29<Zathras>tosi, with what? apt-get ?
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17:29<Pmarc>I can't reinstall, remove or purge flex.
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17:29<gbp>hi guys. the time on this box keeps skewing ahead no matter if i reset it to the correct date using date --set, my /etc/timezone is "Australia/Sydney" which is correct. is there any other files that might be causing a problem? I also have ntp running, but i have the same ntp configuration running fine on another machine.
17:29<Pmarc>running testing amd64
17:29<Zathras>Pmarc, tried with force option?
17:29<Pmarc>actually no.
17:30<Pmarc> but tried dpkg --configure -a
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17:30<Zathras>gbp, maybe an rtc issue? Check kernel module
17:31<slush>gbp: in what way is it skewing?
17:31<Pmarc>Zathras, aptitude tells me that i would have to fix the package manually
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17:31<Pmarc>tried wit force now.,
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17:32<chealer>Elessar: I guess it's not "normal", no
17:32<panthera>Elessar: no, but we're working on it for the final images.
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17:33<gbp>slush: less than 1 day later, 100% of the time, it will be 2 days ahead of the correct time. e.g today it was Saturday 17th
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17:33<gbp>Zathras: yes maybe, what do i do about an rtc issue?
17:35<slush>is it recent behaviour?
17:36<gbp>its been doing it for a while, the time has just never caused me a problem
17:36<gbp>$ cat /proc/driver/rtc
17:36<gbp>rtc_time : 22:33:42
17:36<gbp>this is wrong
17:36<Zathras>there is rtc module, never looked at it. Maybe you can give it paramters or unload it if loaded and see if that helps. It is just a guess on my part
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17:38<Pmarc>gbp, do you have a full time connection? if so, you can try to install ntpd or even chrony.
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17:39<gbp>i have ntp running
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17:39<Pmarc>then, when you are connected, get a time fix from one of the ntp pool servers.
17:39<Pmarc>my machine checks against ntp pool servers and is always on time.
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17:40<Pmarc>check your server list then.
17:40<slush>if it runs as fast as gbp's machine, ntp won't work
17:40<gbp>i think the problem is rtc module
17:40<Pmarc>i can't help. no experience like that.
17:40<slush>gbp: try other kernels if you can
17:41<slush>or even a live cd or smth
17:41<gbp>yep i will upgrade
17:41<gbp>thanks for the tips
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17:43<barnes>gbp usally Im only install ntp and ntpdate and run command ntpdate <ntpserver>
17:43<barnes>always worked for me
17:43<slush>it ain't just a sync problem
17:43<slush>his clock is running to fast
17:45<slush>gbp: if your tests/upgrade doesnt solve anything, see if there is a bios update of your motherboard, maybe yours has a bug
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17:45<gbp>slush: will do thanks
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17:48<Pmarc>has anyone encoutered any issue when upgrading flex on testing?
17:48<Pmarc>orbit, has anyone a suggestion on how to proceed?
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17:52<slush>gbp: does the machine has a nvidia card by any chance?
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17:52<slush>Pmarc: you also tried to remove it, right?
17:53<Pmarc>tried to remove and to purge, but not forced any of them
17:53<slush>try it with dpkg and its debug options
17:53<Pmarc>mmm, will see.
17:54<Pmarc>I'm not used to dpkg, just to mre hi-level tools.
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17:57<slush>Pmarc: purging is 'dpkg -P package', adding -Dn, where you can set 'n' to something you think that gives you more info (see 'dpkg -Dhelp')
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17:57<Pmarc>yep, dpkg --help told me that.
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17:58<Pmarc>I tried some debug options, but no informative message popped up
17:59<Pmarc>I just put the numbers 1 2 10 20, one each time.
17:59<Pmarc>the same message came up.
18:00<Pmarc>dpkg -s flex says: lots, but this is of interest: Status: deinstall reinstreq half-configured
18:00<dpkg>There is no record of a flex says: lots, but this is of interest: Status: deinstall reinstreq half-configured package
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18:05<Pmarc>I'm having no luck with dpkg either
18:06<slush>hmm, then i'm out of options right now
18:07<Pmarc>thanks for the time
18:07<slush>but then again, i should go to bed too
18:07<Pmarc>good nite, then
18:07<slush>yeah, nn :)
18:07<slush>good luck
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18:13<Zathras>pmarc, dpkg is definitly the way to go
18:14<Pmarc>i though so, but seems I need to really RTFM
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18:17<behar>hola todo el mundo
18:18<slush>behar: todo: learn to speak english
18:18<slush>oh right, sleeping time
18:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:19<behar>i speak also english
18:20<chris_>i installed lenny (rc1 i think?) because i was trying to get my laptop display (x windows) to work. does this somehow affect the packages i have access to using aptitude ?
18:20<chris_>it seems like some are not there
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18:20<Pmarc>chris_, not sure if we got your question right.
18:21<Zathras>chris_, some packages are not in Lenny. You can check a package's status at
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18:21<stew>chris_: /msg dpkg sources.list
18:21<Zathras>can also be that you have non-free not added to sources.list
18:21<drone77>behar, yeah just might be easier for you in spanish =]
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18:21<stew>chris_: i'm guessing you only have a cdrom source in sources.list and need to add a network mirror
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18:22<chris_>stew - i think i have network sources. i dont have a cd drive on the computer
18:22<chris_>i used a usb stick with an .iso image
18:23<chris_>i think it it was the other guy said about lenny not having packages
18:23<stew>chris_: what exactly is the problem you are trying to solve?
18:23<Zathras>guess that's me ;-)
18:23<chris_>well, can i just add etch to my sources ?
18:23<chris_>or will they not work
18:23<chris_>in which case i probably should try etch n half again
18:24<stew>chris_: why do you want to add etch sources?
18:24<chris_>so that i can get access to packages that are not in lenny yet
18:24<stew>chris_: which packages?
18:24<chris_>so i can install program
18:24<chris_>like bitchx
18:24<binarymutant>I thought lenny was moved to stable? whats up I thought the firmware issue isn't an issue anymore
18:24<Zathras>chris_, can you give an example of a package you are missing?
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18:25<stew>chris_: note that bitchx was removed becuase it has so many security bugs that nobody is trying to fix, and whenever someone looks to fix one, they find a few more
18:25<llimeht>binarymutant: there are still bugs to fix. Lenny isn't stable just yet
18:25<chris_>so whats a good irc client ?
18:25<binarymutant>chris_, irssi
18:25<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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18:25<binarymutant>chris_, irssi and xchat if you want gui
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18:26<chris_>okay. i had no idea. i thoguht bitchx was the leading edge :)
18:26<chris_>good, i can stop using a program that my wife doesn't like the name of
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18:26<petern>bitchx has been dead for years
18:26<stew>it barely made it into etch becuase of security problems, it probably shouldn't have
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18:27<Zathras>other packages?
18:27<chris_>nope, that was the only one i tried that i can remember
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18:27<chris_>but it is true that there may be other packages not in lenny rc1 that i have
18:27<chris_>right ?
18:28<Zathras>yes, jspwiki is an example of such
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18:28<Zathras>and there is a bug filed for removing iceape from Lenny for some reason I have not checked yet
18:28<dpkg>If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. etch->lenny or removing dmm), then you might want to check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Use synaptic or the aptitude user interface and look in the section "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" for a list of them. From the CLI, "aptitude search ~o". Also ask me about <list repositories>.
18:28<binarymutant>is awesome wm in lenny or do I need to go all the way to sid?
18:28<guilherme>i'd like to install mplayer, but i cant, they say: Depende: libdirectfb-0.9-25 but it is not installable, and other like that, where (what mirror - source.list? ) i can find it?? thanks
18:29<Pmarc> ?
18:30<chris_>guilherme : /etc/apt/sources.list
18:30<chris_>if you were asking where that file was
18:31<guilherme>no the mirror, , thanks for all
18:31<chris_>so can you even just add a line to your sources to reference etch even though you have lenny rc1 (am i saying that right) installed ?
18:31<chris_>i'll try not to do that , but if i really need a package
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18:32<llimeht>chris_: no, you can't mix etch and lenny like that.
18:32<chris_>ok. thanks llimeht
18:33<stew>chris_: packages that are in etch but not in lenny were probably removed for a good reason
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18:34<chris_>stew: so are you saying that the packages that are in lenny now are all the packages taht will be in it. i thought it was a progressive task of people moving them to lenny, but your saying that process is actaully done
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18:34<stew>chris_: yes, lenny is frozen for the pending release
18:34<chris_>stew: perhaps that is why it is in RC status and not something else
18:34<chris_>so its going to come out soon then ?
18:35<stew>its been frozen much longer than the installer has been RC
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18:35<stew>and yes, it should hopefully be released soon
18:35<chris_>if anyone is intersted i did get xfce working on my MSI Q2 Wind laptop
18:35<chris_>and X in general
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18:35<drone77>all i ever seem to do is call for factoids but...
18:36<drone77>!tell chris_ about wwlr
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18:36<chris_>!tell chris_ about bitchx
18:36<chris_>irc seems so complicated
18:37<chris_>or i should say so full of features
18:37<drone77>chris_ you can just /msg dpkg <the factiod you want>
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18:39<chris_>who took all the time to set all this stuff up. there is a lot of info on here. and thanks to all you smart people who answer questions here
18:39<chris_>knowing that i'm using bitchx . does anyone know an easy way to output my conversation history to a file for reference ?
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18:43<drone77>chris_ i'm not sure about that but you can get the logs for the channel here:
18:43<chris_>oh no, i'm on a public log :)
18:44<chris_>not that most all stuff on the internet isn't capable of being intercepted and viewed by others , but anyways. thanks. later all.
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18:45<stew>drone77: those are logs for a different network
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18:45<drone77>oh, they are? oops I misread
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18:46*slush spanks drone77
18:46<drone77>dpkg factoid needs editing then
18:46<dpkg>i haven't a clue, drone77
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18:47<slush>(no bed for me yet, got a sms from one of our alert services, server down :s)
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18:47<slush>any1 experienced with xen?
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18:47<jaybocc2>somewhat on centos
18:47<jaybocc2>what ya need?
18:47<Knorrie>hi, i'm having problems with a dead slow raid1 resync using mdadm and sata drives, and I just cannot seem to get it speed up
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18:48<barnes>slush abit
18:48<slush>i tried destoy a domain, but now i cant even do a 'xm list'
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18:48<barnes>is xend running?
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18:49<slush>yep, still 2 other domains running
18:49<jaybocc2>knorrie: raid1 is mirrioring... a resync could potentially be resyncing every bit on the drive. don't expect that to go quickly
18:49<barnes>slush tried restart xend ?
18:49<valdyn>Knorrie: familiar with settings in /sys/block/md0/md ?
18:49<slush>doesnt that restart those 2 domains too?
18:50<barnes>slush im not sure
18:50<Knorrie>valdyn: nope, but i really think 10x or 20x this should be possible
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18:50<slush>there's the tricky part, at least one is a production domain :p
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18:50<Knorrie>swapped the disk about 5 hours ago
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18:51<valdyn>Knorrie: cd /sys/block/md0/md and increase the sync_speed_min and/or sync_min
18:51<Knorrie>valdyn: i did alter /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_m* but it seems to be ignored?
18:51<Knorrie>valdyn: what's the difference with that and /sys/block/md0/md ?
18:51<valdyn>Knorrie: that should be the same
18:52<barnes>slush mm I recornise that sms ive been up working all evning sms larms keeps coming in, but i dont mind I get rich :P
18:52<slush>lol :)
18:52<slush>oh hell, i just restart the whole damn thing
18:52<drone77>stew, that log is for freenode then i assume?
18:52<valdyn>Knorrie: except that that sysfs settings obviously is device specific
18:52<stew>drone77: yes
18:53<Knorrie>valdyn: sdb got replaced
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18:54<valdyn>Knorrie: is system load slowing it?
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18:54<Knorrie>it's 00:54 here, there's almost no active use... but i could try to stop things
18:54<Knorrie>it's a Xen dom0
18:55<Knorrie>let's stop whatever I can do reasonably now
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18:56<Knorrie>everything is dead slow... even xm list
18:56<valdyn>Knorrie: fix the sysfs settings first as i told you..
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18:56<Knorrie>valdyn: see the paste, i already increased the calues
18:56<valdyn>Knorrie: thats proc not sysfs
18:57<valdyn>Knorrie: ops, nvm
18:57<Knorrie>valdyn: 2nd paste
18:57<Knorrie>seems the /sys/block/md0/md/ and /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_m* are linked to each other yes
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18:59<slush>sdljfhs0h0: nice nick!
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18:59<sdljfhs0h0>slush: decaf!
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19:01<Knorrie>valdyn: speed is now speed=856K/sec :|
19:03<valdyn>Knorrie: xen issue or underlying hardware
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19:03<Knorrie>load average: 2.10, 3.38, 3.48
19:03<Knorrie>this is rediculous :)
19:04<enouf>Knorrie: just curious, amd64, or i386?
19:04<Knorrie>amd64, xen 3.2.1
19:04<enouf>or .. some sloppy combo? :-P
19:04<enouf>oh, ok
19:04<valdyn>Knorrie: whats dom0 btw, the host or the virtual system?
19:04<enouf>Knorrie: how about userland?
19:04<Knorrie>valdyn: the host
19:04<Knorrie>all 64
19:04<enouf>ok, thanks
19:05<enouf>right, domU(s) are the guests?, iirc
19:05<slush>enouf: what, no jokes?
19:05<slush>oh wait :)
19:05<enouf>slush: not after i literally just blew a house fuse, no
19:06<slush>wth did ya do?
19:06<enouf>no idea - bad ground or someshit, i threw a light switch and POW!
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19:08<Knorrie>that's the one
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19:09<Knorrie>it's just ridiculous a 250GB disk swap would take almost 3 days to resync
19:09<Knorrie>something's wrong here
19:09<Knorrie>(swap in replacement)
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19:10<barnes>Knorrie sorry but whats wrong is that you use supermicro =)
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19:10<valdyn>Knorrie: anything suspecious in dmesg?
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19:11<slush>Knorrie: you're right, that doesnt make sense .. but barnes is right too ;p
19:11<enouf>slush: the ironic part? i was on my way to the john when it happened
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19:12<slush>enouf: hehe, you scared off your electrical wires :p
19:12<enouf>heh, ok ok
19:13<codeblue>hello all, how would I join this in a bash/sh script. var="$uppdir" . "$down" where $upp="abc" & $down="def" so that $var = abcdef
19:13<llimeht>codeblue: var="$upp$down"
19:14<enouf>Knorrie: wow, 16 DIMM slots (128GB) .. ugh .. something is amiss
19:14<codeblue>I was gona try that but i wasnt sure thx
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19:15*slush got his problem fixed by killing everything that was xen domains and restart it manually
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19:15<valdyn>Knorrie: so nothing..
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19:16<Knorrie>valdyn: nope, nothing bad afai can see
19:16<valdyn>Knorrie: i would restart the sync, but ive not seen that needed yet, ive only seen min work like it was max
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19:17<Knorrie>valdyn: you mean, perhaps the values are only read when starting to sync?
19:17<valdyn>Knorrie: possibly
19:17<valdyn>Knorrie: possibly in your weird case
19:17<Knorrie>well, seems reasonable to try it
19:18<Knorrie>because of the "md: minimum _guaranteed_ reconstruction speed: 1000 KB/sec/disc." when it started
19:18<valdyn>Knorrie: aye
19:18<Knorrie>ok, i'm going to tell mdadm to fail it now
19:18<Knorrie>and restart the sync
19:19<valdyn>Knorrie: youre on etch with the stock etch kernel btw? the sync_min like max issue im talking of should be fixed for a while... in newer kernels
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19:21<Knorrie>valdyn: it's lenny with the 2.6.18-xen-3.3-1-amd64 kernel (debian 2.6.18 with newer xen patches) that waldi (kernel team) has made
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19:21<Knorrie>the domU's are running lenny 2.6.26 already
19:22<Zathras>anyone on my sound kernel issue please?
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19:23<slush>Knorrie: its a new inserted disk?
19:23<valdyn>Zathras: run depmod -a and reboot and try again
19:24<Knorrie>mdadm: set /dev/sda2 faulty in /dev/md1
19:24<Knorrie>oh hehe
19:24<valdyn>Knorrie: use re-add btw
19:24<Knorrie>it's not stopping
19:24<valdyn>Knorrie: i dont know if thats automagic
19:24<valdyn>Knorrie: uh?
19:24<codeblue>hello again, is this correct in an sh script: if $?=="0"; then for if last command status is equal to 0 then
19:25<Knorrie>omg no what did i just do
19:25<codeblue>i get the following error: 38: 0==0: not found
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19:30<llimeht>codeblue: you really just want if command ; then foo; fi ... but if you're going to do tests like that then you need [ and ] : if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then ...
19:30<llimeht>codeblue: get yourself a good bash scripting guide... seems you're going to need it
19:30<abrotman>probably ought to go to #bash on freenode
19:31<llimeht>codeblue: if you go to #bash on freenode, make sure you've read lots, have thought about your problem and are wearing your asbestos underpants.
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19:32<slush>Knorrie: what DID you do?
19:32<Zathras>valdyn, maybe it is also related to the fact that alsa can only see one card (alsaconf being the exception: it sees all cards)
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19:33<valdyn>Zathras: alsa can see plenty cards
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19:34<Zathras>depending on what card (of 2) I last enabled with alsaconf Lenny sees on next reboot just that card in alsa (aplay -l)
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19:34<valdyn>Zathras: identical cards?
19:35<valdyn>Zathras: did you do what i suggested?
19:35<Zathras>I will reboot soon
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19:36<Knorrie>slush: valdyn well, i just failed the partition that is the source for the resync
19:36<snogglethorpe>is #bash about bash the shell or about bash the activity?
19:36<Knorrie>instead of sdb*
19:37<valdyn>Knorrie: no big deal
19:37<valdyn>Knorrie: no
19:37<Knorrie>i feel like i'm screwing up big time
19:37<abrotman>snogglethorpe: go check it out
19:37<valdyn>Knorrie: but from here on you can break things if you do something wrong
19:37<valdyn>Knorrie: yet nothing is seriously broken
19:37<snogglethorpe>abrotman: kinda scared now...
19:37<llimeht>snogglethorpe: supposedly the former but often the latter
19:38<valdyn>Knorrie: you can reassemble the raid from that good failed disk
19:38<Knorrie>valdyn: but.. how is this possible? <- looks like its going sdb2->sda2 ?!
19:38<codeblue>Im trying to compile a program and i get the error configure: error: error, OpenSSL required
19:38<codeblue> OpenSSL is installed and is the latest version
19:38<Knorrie>valdyn: i don't get why it's still doing resync
19:39<Knorrie>the slow resync version that is :)
19:39<abrotman>codeblue: libssl-dev likely
19:39<llimeht>codeblue: if you're compiling, you need a -dev package.
19:39<abrotman>!tell codeblue about search
19:39<valdyn>Knorrie: me neither, stop it, ask someone with deep knowledge of this
19:39<llimeht>codeblue: apt-cache search openssl dev
19:39<valdyn>Knorrie: fail the right disk, check if data is ok
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19:40<llimeht>codeblue: if there's a specific file mentioned (e.g. in config.log) then use apt-file to locate it
19:40<valdyn>Knorrie: your data is in danger only pas 15% iirc
19:40<Zathras>valdyn, still the kernel messages, stil only one alsa card
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19:40<codeblue>that fixed it thanks
19:41<Knorrie>valdyn: ah i get what you mean by the 155
19:41<slush>ok ppl, now i'm really going to bed, problems solved.. tomorrow a new early day..
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19:42<slush>good luck to the troubleshooters
19:42<Zathras>good night. Wise thing to do
19:42<valdyn>Zathras: google tells me this is a kernel bug
19:43<valdyn>Zathras: more specifically a broken device driver
19:43<valdyn>Zathras: its 2 drivers trying to register the same stuff with sysfs
19:43<Owner>what is the newest debian distro and is there one that is using the 2.6.27 kernel? i can't find it anywhere. thanks!
19:43<valdyn>Zathras: use newer alsa drivers / whole kernel
19:43<abrotman>Owner: no
19:44<Zathras>I used the stock stuff from Debian Lenny AMD64
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19:45<Zathras>Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05) & Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
19:46<Zathras>valdyn, do you have a link for me about that bug please?
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19:47<valdyn>Zathras: not that bug specifically
19:47<valdyn>Zathras: google your error message, the "kobject_add...."
19:47<Zathras>I run 2.6.26-1-amd64
19:47<Zathras>I did
19:47<Zathras>see that it is also in 2.6.27
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19:48<valdyn>Zathras: no, you misunderstant this
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19:48<valdyn>Zathras: its a kernel internal debugging mechanism, one subsystem complaining about a broken driver
19:48<valdyn>Zathras: various drivers have been broken that way
19:49<Zathras>There have been various 2.6.26 Debian Lenny kernel releases. The first ones did not suffer from this error afaik :-(
19:49<dpkg>somebody said snapshots was an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
19:50<valdyn>Zathras: then use that one that was ok
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19:51<Zathras>a bit strange as Lenny is soon to be released. I guess shit happens
19:51<Zathras>thanks for the support valdyn
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19:56<codeblue>ok the las thing I need to ask is, If I have a strings say "" and I want to extract the number after id= but nothing else, or even if u could tell me a command to compare 2 strings and return the difference
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20:01<tosi>im trying to install warcraft 3 on my eee with ubuntu... any suggestions?
20:02<valdyn>tosi: install to a pc, update to latest version, copy the directory
20:02<valdyn>tosi: latest version has no copy protection whatsoever
20:02<tosi>how will i run the exe?
20:03<valdyn>tosi: wine war3.exe -opengl
20:03<randomhandleman>install wine
20:03<tosi>i have winee installed but dont really know how to use it
20:03<randomhandleman>wine war3.exe -opengl
20:03<randomhandleman>'wine <program.exe>'
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20:05<Probulator>Does wine run most apps pretty smoothly?
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20:06<randomhandleman>there is a database somewhere of what apps it runs and any problems with them
20:06<codeblue> If I have a strings say "" and I want to extract the number after id= but nothing else, or even if u could tell me a command to compare 2 strings and return the difference
20:06<codeblue>in bash
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20:08<pippo>When I use web page with flash movie in Firefox my debian lenny is very slow. I think there is some bugs in the flash plugin....I can I solve it?
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20:10<abrotman>pippo: which flash plugin are oyu using?
20:10<dondelelcaro>codeblue: echo '' | sed -r 's/.*\?id=([0-9]*).*/\1/'; FE
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20:10<randomhandleman>hey. can you run konqueror on kde
20:10<dondelelcaro>(you could also easily use perl instead)
20:10<randomhandleman>*on gnome?
20:10<chealer>Probulator: ask #wine
20:11<abrotman>randomhandleman: yes, you can
20:11<dpkg>from memory, wine is packaged in the 'wine' package., #winehq ( Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A not so buggy anymore alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
20:11<chealer>Probulator: #winehq on
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20:11<dondelelcaro>pippo: since we don't have the sourcecode to the non-free flash plugin, there's nothing we can do about it
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20:11<Probulator>Thanks chealer :) I'll take a look
20:12<abrotman>he could be using gnash or swfdec .. which are equally as bad .. just OSS
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20:14<snogglethorpe>swfdec 0.8 seems to work reasonably well, but apparently has bugger-all acceleration
20:14<snogglethorpe>still, it's a viable choice if you wanna go all free
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20:14<dondelelcaro>well, gnash is getting better and better
20:14<dondelelcaro>(and if you do have a problem with it and can show the .flv that has problems, people are working on fixing them)
20:15<randomhandleman>can i resizw a mounted encrypted lvm?
20:15<Knorrie>valdyn: i got other space in the server network... now i'm just (better safe than sorry) moving important stuff from this box to another
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20:18<tosi>wine war3.exe -opengl .... how does it know where to look for the .exxe ?
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20:19<valdyn>tosi: it doesnt
20:19<codeblue>what am I doing wrong here: nfo1= find $uppdir$torrenttomake -type f -name \*.nfo
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20:20<codeblue>echo $nfo1 = null
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20:20<dondelelcaro>this isn't #macos
20:20<abrotman>codeblue: really .. #bash on freenode
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20:24<codeblue>yeah thats productive 388 users and none alive
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20:35<tosi>everyone is talking about 6sec debian boot times... mine is 35sec -- what are a few ways to lower it
20:36<pyrophelia>sorry i'll stop trolling
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20:37*amphi wonders why people care about boot times
20:38<goodger_>amphi: ubuntu have decided they can use it for PR
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20:38<amphi>goodger: ah ;)
20:38<pyrophelia>linux isn't run on desktop/servers anymore
20:39<amphi>er, I run debian on a laptop
20:39<tosi>i like a fast boottime for class
20:39<amphi>it gets rebooted when it gets a new kernel
20:39<pyrophelia>wish I had that kind of battery life
20:39<amphi>tosi: why boot? suspend-to-disk/ram
20:40<tosi>i have this error when i go into sleep or whatever its called
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20:40<tosi>when ii try to restore a black error screen comes up talking about 'pciehp'
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20:40<amphi>tosi: suspend probs? they're common :(
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20:40<amphi>tosi: suspend-to-disk should work though
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20:41<amphi>tosi: did you try googling the error message?
20:41<tosi>well im new to linux i just put it on my eee pc, how can i configure the power options like 'on close lid: sleep'
20:41<tosi>yes amphi noone seems to have a similar msg
20:42<craigevil-eee>suspend to ram works fine on the eee
20:42<amphi>tosi: you have debian on an eeepc?
20:42<tosi>yes with gnome
20:42<kasper>tosi: system - preferences - power management
20:43<tosi>and terminal is annoying... if i close it it reopens in its default shape, does it not remember?
20:43<kasper>under gnome
20:43<amphi>tosi: there's also #debian-eeepc
20:43<tosi>hmmm no power mngmnt under system>pref
20:44<craigevil-eee>tosi: try asking in #debian-eeepc or #eeepc, if liable,krazykit or SynrG are there they can helpyou
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20:44<tosi>no this isnt really eeepc related and they will '#debian' me
20:44<tosi>wonder why i have no power mngmnt options in my gnome
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20:45<kasper>tosi: goto terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install gnome-power-manager'
20:45<kasper>it might not be installed
20:46<tosi>ty kasper i just found it too
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20:46<tosi>which kernals use aptitude and which use apt-get?
20:46<craigevil-eee>no they wont SynrG created both channels , and if i am not mistaken he is a DD
20:47<kasper>tosi: kernels and apt/aptitude are two very different things, apt and aptitude are two package management tools. they both essentialy do the same things
20:47<tosi>ah ok, i thought each different kernal used a different set of commands
20:48<tosi>any reason terminal does save its size once closed?
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20:48<abrotman>he is
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20:49<kasper>tosi: check the "profiles" settings within terminal
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20:50<kasper>or apt-get install another terminal such as eterm or xterm
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20:54<Probulator>I'm trying to use the debian live disc but it keeps wanting me to press enter, except it's a laptop with a trashed keyboard (thanks to a cheerleader and her coke.. another story); is there a way I can setup some sort of answer file to get the cd up and running so I can use a USB keyboard without pressing anything?
20:54<abrotman>plug in the usb keyboard and use that ?
20:55<kasper>Probulator: can't you just plug in a usb keybard and use that?
20:55<Probulator>yah... i tried that
20:55<Probulator>it comes up 'press enter to boot'
20:55<kasper>abrotman: get outta my head. lol hahah j/k
20:55<Probulator>I can get F1 to work on the laptop keyboard >.>
20:55<Probulator>so I can read that...
20:55<Probulator>I'm sorry, no not the live cd.. it's a net install one.
20:55<Probulator>maybe that's the issue >.>.
20:56*Probulator headsmack
20:56<Probulator>unless it's possible to get to where usb works with the netinst one?
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20:57<kasper>does it the usb keyboard not allow you to press enter?
20:57<Probulator>I don't think the computer has usb at boot
20:57<Probulator>it never has, it's a constant issue... I usualy just install windows using the files off the CD saved to a partition
20:58<wgsilkie>How do I find out what package installed a particular file?
20:58<abrotman>!tell wgsilkie about search
21:01<wgsilkie>I did try searching the web first.
21:01<abrotman>wgsilkie: did you read the whole thing?
21:01<wgsilkie>But there doesn't seem to be a simple way to this?
21:01<abrotman>guess not
21:01<wgsilkie>Wait, what thing?
21:02<abrotman>what the bot told you
21:02<abrotman>!tell wgsilkie about search
21:02<Jpdota>hey i'm in intrepid and i'm thinking about upgrading my laptop's hard drive, what's a good way to get info about the connection my laptop uses to the hard drive?
21:02<abrotman>see what the bot, dpkg, told you
21:02<abrotman>Jpdota: you go to #ubuntu on and ask there
21:02<wgsilkie>oh, I missed that
21:02<wgsilkie>I'll read that now
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21:03<Jpdota>i've got a bunch of tabs up thought this was the ubuntu one =X
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21:08<tosi>ok so i downloaded a .tar.gz, ive unpacked it 'tar -vxf xxxxx.tar.bz2' now what do to get it to run
21:09<wgsilkie>abrotman: sorry for being clueless just then, my IRC client uses tabs, and I didn't see the bot's message.
21:10<tosi>what command to i run after the tar unpack?
21:13<kd394817175>type in tar -xzvf *.tgz
21:13<kd394817175>or if you have a bz2
21:14<kd394817175>type in tar -cvjf *.tar.bz2
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21:14<tosi>its extracted already, how what do i type?
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21:14<abrotman>you go into the directory and read the documentation
21:14<duraperidol>well those two commands will fully extract them
21:14<duraperidol>not just untar it, and you then have to bunzip it.
21:14<duraperidol>it does both.
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21:15<wgsilkie>I've found that whatever version of tar comes with etch automatically guesses the compression type (if any).
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21:15<wgsilkie>So you don't need to give the z or j option.
21:15<tosi>yes its extracted... then... i open the /sh in the folder?
21:15<abrotman>or your download tool autoextracts
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21:22<dpkg>somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
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21:24<nitr0>hi - can someone please recommend a mirror which has the latest etch distro stuff on it?
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21:25<abrotman>nitr0: they all should ...
21:25<nitr0>none of the Australian ones are working for me, and isnt working either
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21:26<abrotman>what's the error?
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21:26<nitr0>Bad Archive Mirror - not available or does not have a valid release file
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21:40<roy_>where can i find a good ham radio program for cw or morsecode sending
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21:42<abrotman>roy_: debtags search hardware::hamradio ... maybe?
21:42<abrotman>i'm sure it will return a lot though
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21:43<roy_>ok will do thanks
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22:46<daniit30o>if i need to the packages " glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 gthread-2.0 gmodule-2.0 ", is there a meta-package for it or anything, i don't know which packages to install
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22:47<simonrvn>!tell daniit30o -about search
22:47<abrotman>probably getting gnome-core would do it
22:47<abrotman>and a lot of extra stuff
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22:49<daniit30o>glib and glibc are different, correct ? gnu and gnome ?
22:49<tosi>im here to stump you on some noob questions
22:49<newsense>aptitude show package will tell ay hat it is
22:50<daniit30o>yeah aptitude search glib brings up alot, glib-2.0 brings nothing =P
22:50<abrotman>libglib2.0-0 - The GLib library of C routines
22:50<abrotman>i was wrong :)
22:51<tosi>yo whats that debian good stuff what are the golden apps that are best in show for everyone
22:51<abrotman>oh .. i guess it is ..
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22:51<daniit30o>iceweasel is on of my favorites ;)
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22:53<daniit30o>more to the point, anyone compile buzztard under debian ?
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23:09<kop>morfeo : Hello.
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23:10<dpkg>debian gnu/kfreebsd is probably a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here:
23:10<twb>Grr, I hate it when HTML pages have a "Next" link but don't use <link rel=next> in the header...
23:11<glax>HI guys I install gdal using backports, does someone know where it is located the include dir?
23:11<kop>glax : dpkg -L gdal
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23:38<Karzy>is there a way I can compile a binary on one x86 system and it will work on another that doesn't have all the libraries etc installed
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23:47<twb>Karzy: that is called static linking.
23:47<twb>Karzy: but you usually don't want to distribute binaries because it pisses me off.
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23:56<glax>is qt4.3 available for etch?
23:57<eljefe>i don;t think so
23:57<eljefe>i highly doubt it
23:58<glax>anyway to install qt4.3? backports?
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