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00:16<mike_>arent there net bios commands through the terminal in linux?
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00:20<Supaplex>mike_: there are.
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00:20<mike_>supaplex hmm my arent workin...
00:20<mike_>im just gonna do a freh install of etch anyway
00:20<mike_>or just get lenny
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00:26<gkm>I'd reccomend getting Lenny
00:26<gkm>It's what I'm using
00:26<gkm>I hear it'll become the new Stable soon
00:26<Supaplex>!don't work
00:26<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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01:01<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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01:02<dpkg>i heard blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local
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01:06<mike_>is there a backports plugin for java?
01:06<mike_>or is it on the main.
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01:11<mike_>hey anyone
01:11<mike_>someone tell me where to get the java plugin?
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01:20<mike_>can anyne tell me how to get the java plugin
01:24<chealer>!tell mike_ about install java
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01:59<Administrator>What is the best way to share files from a debian box to OSX and Windows clients?
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02:27<sheldonh>what does NBS mean in removals.txt
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02:28<sheldonh>i mean, i know it _stands_ for "Not Built by Source", but what chain of events would lead to that?
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02:41<chealer>sheldonh: a source package stops building one of its binary packages
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02:45<sheldonh>chealer: because it breaks?
02:46<chealer>sheldonh: not necessarily. see for example
02:49<sheldonh>chealer: sorry, i don't understand. that looks like a package accept notification?
02:50<jm_>sheldonh: not removed something-gtk because it needs gtk1.2
02:50<jm_>in the changelog
02:51<chealer>as jm_ wrote. good night if that applies
02:51<sheldonh>phew, i didn't expect it to be this hard to find out why a package got obsoleted
02:51<sheldonh>i don't care, but before i can blow libdns21 off our servers, i need to justify that we don't need it, and i'm getting horribly unstuck
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02:52<jm_>sheldonh: typically you can find the answer on
02:52<sheldonh>aha! of course!
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02:53<mike_>goodger you here?
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03:13<nisse>Is it possible to apply memory protection of threads in Debian?
03:14<nisse>Or of certain areas in memory, like for a certain class etc.
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03:31*mike_ rolls a fat one whos to my left =D
03:31<mike_>.me is updating to lenny again -.-
03:31<mike_>my bad
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03:32<mike_>video problem last time caused a massive system failure lol
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03:48<Baggy2>Hi guys! lost my connection earlier, so I'll try asking once more. Is it possible to apply some form of memory protection to NPTL threads? Or memory protect certain objects within a thread etc.?
03:48<Baggy2>Any tip will help =)
03:48<jm_>why would you do that?
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03:51<Baggy2>jm_: Have an app with lots of threads.. threads that's created by customers.. we often get support request du to faulty pointers etc, that mess up the execution of a different thread within the app.. hard to debug as it is not the thread with the faulty code that goes down..
03:53<jm_>Baggy2: well there's mprotect but I don't think it'll help you with this - the right solution woul dprobably be to hide access to something behind API-s and protect it with a mutex
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03:54<Slown>I have problem with my dns server
03:54<Slown>it's so slown to open pages
03:54<Slown>where is the problem ?
03:55<Slown>so slow sorry
03:57<Baggy2>jm_: Processes are memory protected, right? The only draw-back is that inter-process communication is kind a slow.. How was this handled by the old linux threads?
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03:58<jm_>Baggy2: well it wasn't any different
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04:01<Baggy2>jm_: The API is good (code that's called by multiple threads is either reentrant or mutex protected), but it still hard to protect objects from buggy code in other threads.. I need to protect certain memory areas and such.. can't find anything useful using google..
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04:02<Baggy2>I guess I need to fork processes and go with slow inter-process communication :(
04:02<jm_>Baggy2: yeah the joys of development ;) really, mprotect is all there is
04:02<jm_>that I know of anyway
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04:03<Baggy2>jm_: thanks, I'll look into mprotect =)
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04:32<Slown>I have problem with squid
04:32<Slown>all requests in my log
04:32<Slown>are tcp miss
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04:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:37<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
04:37<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
04:37<dpkg>somebody said gb was an abbreviation for GigaByte. And also for Great Britain. Has also been associated with great beer & as an acronym for gurubonz.
04:37<jm_>can you please stop?
04:37<Kampfpommes>sry :S
04:38<jm_>you can use /msg
04:38<Kampfpommes>^^ okay
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04:47<kutu_>i like to kiss u
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04:48<kutu_>hello any body is there
04:48<thierry>exuse my i langage no english!
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04:49<snogglethorpe>arhg, finally got my new computer with the intel 82567LM-3 network card to work... it took linux 2.6.28 to do it
04:49<thierry>je veut dire que je ne parle pas du tout englais
04:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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04:52<snogglethorpe>for some reason building 2.6.28 fails with make-kpkg, unless I disable xen support...
04:52<snogglethorpe>(it says it "can't find .../xen/Makefile")
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04:55<massmc>how do i install a package with dpkg
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04:55<jm_>dpkg -i
04:55<dpkg>i don't know, jm_
04:55<massmc>i thought it was "dpkg -r "
04:56<massmc>thanks jm
04:56<jm_>read the man page to find out the difference
04:57<massmc>dpkg -i skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb
04:57<massmc>(Reading database ... 39217 files and directories currently installed.)
04:57<massmc>Unpacking skype (from skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb) ...
04:57<massmc>dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
04:57<massmc>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
04:57*dpkg removes a speen from massmc and replaces it with skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb
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04:58<themill>dpkg: tell massmc_ about paste
04:58<massmc_>sorry about that
04:58<jm_>your package file is most likely corrupted
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04:58<themill>massmc_: you can also just install skype using apt. /msg dpkg skype
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05:00<freex>hi all
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05:00<massmc_>themill, the skype info and links in dpkg /msg are out of date
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05:02<themill>massmc_: in what way are they out of date?
05:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free"
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05:02<themill>all looks correct to me
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05:02<massmc_> <----- check that themill
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05:03<themill>massmc_: works fine. That's part of a deb line, not something you're supposed to go to in your browser.
05:04<themill>dpkg: tell massmc_ about sources.list
05:04<massmc_>my bad.. thought it didnt exist
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05:09<dgodfather>massmc_, jm_ is probably right, i have skype installed through the .deb file on the skype site and it works fine
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05:13<mike_>hey can someone tell me where i can edit my monitor refresh rates?
05:13<azeem>mike_: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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05:13<mike_>when i bott it goes all fucked up
05:14<mike_>lol im gonna need a bit of a walk through on it
05:14<mike_>azeem, would you mind walking me through the process?
05:14<jm_>last time I checked your X log it detected monitor info just fine so you did a good job at screwing it up
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05:14<mike_>jm_ thank for the insult but it wasnt me=D
05:15<mike_>jm_, just reinstalled etch and upgraded to lenny and same problem occurs
05:15<azeem>mike_: no, it should get autodetected these days
05:15<mike_>jm_ it seems etch likes 1280x1024 at 75ht but lenny doesnt
05:15<dgodfather>mike_, what desktop env are you using?
05:16<jm_>mike_: check X logfile to see what it is really using
05:16<mike_>dgodfather, its before at my login so i dont see what the enviroment does with it
05:16<dgodfather>i mean do you use what? gnome? kde? xfce? .etc
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05:17<dgodfather>then login and do it from the gui
05:17<mike_>jm_ where is that located?
05:17<dgodfather>system -> preferences -> screen resolution
05:17<mike_>dgodfather, ive changed it during the session its at login that its all fucked up
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05:18<dgodfather>ohhh, OK
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05:18<mike_>see and i end up with other resolutionsin my manager that arent in my cong file
05:18<mike_>liek im liek wtf lol
05:19<jm_>mike_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:23<mike_>like its odd
05:23<mike_>its the only thing that gets messed up when i update
05:24<mike_>maybe if just got the lenny iso and installed from tht
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05:26<mike_>lets hope this will lemme burn an iso =P
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05:27<mike_>the net inst is still a full instalation right?
05:27<azeem>it's a netinst
05:27<mike_>downloads everything correct?
05:27<enouf>mike_: it can give you a base system, yes
05:27<enouf>and more
05:27<themill>mike_: the installer is identical for all of the CDs, the only difference is when you download stuff
05:27<mike_>ok what about DE?
05:28<mike_>or i have to work around to getting that =P
05:28<enouf>too much for a 180MB ISO
05:28<mike_>haha i figured -.-
05:28<jm_>mike_: this looks exactly the same as last time
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05:28<mike_>yeah only difference jm_ i havent touched anything
05:28<mike_>this was a fresh install of etch directly to lenny lol
05:28<mike_>its not me
05:28<enouf>mike_: and actually, even CD1 isn't put together that way - it's based on popcon /msg dpkg popcon ; /msg dpkg cd contents
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05:30<enouf>themill: is the installer actually included in CD2-24 or however many there are? (just noting how one could misunderstand your comment about 'for all the CDs')
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05:31<mike_>im gonna do the netinst
05:31<themill>enouf: err umm... It used to be on CDs1-4 with different DE preferences. Not sure if it still is as I only ever use the netinst.
05:31<mike_>and see if a fresh install of lenny makes a differens
05:31<mike_>because comign from etch to lenny im having to many problems
05:32<enouf>themill: i'm not sure either ;-) touché
05:32<jm_>mike_: you could change parameters in xorg.conf to let it use that 59.9Hz mode
05:32<dgodfather>mike_, go for the netinst it works fine, it will also install a desktop environment for you (gnome) if you mark it during install
05:32<enouf>and .. if networking works dgodfather
05:33<dgodfather>enouf, of course if networking works, but it's only an option if it does
05:33<dgodfather>enouf, he said it's an option so i assumed he has networking
05:33<enouf>"gee .. why don't i have this option .. hrm"
05:33<mike_>lol yes my wired netwrk card is seen at installation
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05:34<enouf>mike_: wonderful -- all is peachy then
05:34<mike_>ok next question how do i make a disk bootable trhough this cd/dvd creator?
05:34<dgodfather>burn it as image
05:34<dgodfather>it's already made bootable, (the image)
05:35<mike_>lol it just says write to disk so thats what im goign with haha
05:35<dgodfather>then make sure in bios that your first boot device is the cdrom
05:35<mike_>well im not that much of newb im just newer to linux is all lol
05:35<mike_>but thank you
05:35<dgodfather>mike_, make sure to burn the cd as and image
05:36<dgodfather>your question had nothing to do with linux
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05:36<mike_>question had to do with the netinst disk of hich operating system?
05:36<dgodfather>same same in windows and any other OS
05:36<jm_>and don't forget to lol while burning or it may fail!
05:36<dgodfather>jm_, hee
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05:36<mike_>of course!
05:37<dgodfather>question had to do with the netinst disk of hich operating system?
05:37<dgodfather>are you serious?
05:37<mike_>ok linux so my question did regaurd knix did it not?
05:38<dgodfather>of course, i am only talking about the burning question dude
05:38<mike_>oh duh my bad haha
05:38<dgodfather>:) all OK
05:38<mike_>but seriouslly guys all the help yous have given is much appreciated
05:38<mike_>especially jm_ hes had to deal with my dumb ass alot XD
05:39<mike_>ok brb
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06:14<Slown>do you have news about lenny ?
06:14<Slown>date of release
06:14<dpkg>Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release". Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see
06:15<enouf>!rc bugs
06:15<dpkg>Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at, or list at, also
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06:29<mike_>ok so i still need to add the 59.9 hz to the file
06:29<mike_>jm_ you still here?
06:29<azeem>mike_: is this a TFT?
06:30<jm_>mike_: yes
06:30<mike_>azeem, what do you mean ?
06:30<mike_>ok jm_ where would i add that
06:30<jm_>mike_: in xorg.conf
06:30<azeem>mike_: is your monitor a TFT or a CRT?
06:30<mike_>jm_ i figured there
06:30<avtobiff>is ath9k in some debian kernel or do i have to roll my own to get it?
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06:30<mike_>jm_ if i opened it up could you point me to where exactly?
06:30<jm_>mike_: do you have VertRefresh line?
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06:31<mike_>jm_ lemme check
06:31<mike_>azeem, not sure what you mean
06:31<azeem>mike_: then forget about it
06:32<mike_>jm_ i dont even have resolutions in there now haha
06:32<jm_>mike_: right, you'll need to add Section Monitor then
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06:32<jm_>mike_: paste your xorg.conf on pastebin
06:34<mike_>do your magic jm_
06:34<mike_>whill i work on my sound card real quick
06:34<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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06:34<jm_>mike_: add this to section monitor: VertRefresh 56-61
06:36<mike_>do i need to put it in quotation
06:37<mike_>now just log out and login again and should work right or should i do a full reboot
06:37<jm_>wait, so it works now? why are you trying to change it then?
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06:38<mike_>lol cause i changed it to see
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06:38<mike_>i have the problem at the login screen
06:38<jm_>how did you change it and what to?
06:38<mike_>where the vert is messed up
06:38<mike_>well when i log on its going nutz
06:38<jm_>but login prompt is OK?
06:39<mike_>thats hwere my problem is lol
06:39<jm_>so you're working on console now?
06:39<jm_>ok so simply try startx and check if it works
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06:42<dgodfather>how do i ask dpkg? can someone remind me?
06:42<dgodfather>isn't it "/ask dpkg topic ?
06:42<Txt-file>ists /msg dpkg topic
06:43<dgodfather>Txt-file, right thanks
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06:46<mike_>ok it worked
06:47<mike_>thanks jm_
06:47<mike_>ok now to go shower for court -.-
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07:48<dpkg>one warez list being sent to riccardo19871
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07:49<riccardo19871>ciao a tutti
07:49<riccardo19871>come scarico?
07:51<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:05<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:14<dgodfather>to which group do i need to add my self in order to run wireshark as regular user?
08:15<dgodfather>it says something about socket creation permissions problem
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08:26<jm_>dgodfather: there is no group
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08:35<dgodfather>jm_, so what do i need to do for the permissions?
08:37<jm_>dgodfather: it's a capability in the kernel that enables it, but there is no tool to set this by default - it's doable with RSBAC, not sure if selinux also allows for it
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08:38<dgodfather>jm_, well thanks man but i am very unfamiliar with what you said. can you give me some more pinpoint direction to reading material?
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08:40<jm_>dgodfather: well it's not in standard kernel
08:40<dgodfather>that i understood though it says it's a great enhancement to system security
08:41<dgodfather>yet i can't see how it will help me run these kinds of programs as regular user
08:41<jm_>it allows one to give given capability to user
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08:44<dgodfather>jm_, as i understand from very short reading it enables limiting a users power, not increasing it, but i only read superficially.
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08:44<dgodfather>jm_, but it also seems like using it will make things stop working until i learn how to configure it :)
08:45<jm_>dgodfather: yes, but you can also give them more power
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08:45<dgodfather>jm_, oh, well i shell learn that one day, sounds like a cool strong tool
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08:45<dgodfather>jm_, but is this the only way to let a regular user run wireshark?
08:46<dgodfather>i find that hard to believe.......
08:46<dgodfather>there has to be a way, i only want to view packets
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08:47<jm_>dgodfather: use sudo for now
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08:48<dgodfather>jm_, yeh but i am running it from gui icon, don't wanna run it from cil
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08:48<jm_>dgodfather: that doesn't change anything
08:48<dgodfather>well, prefer to, and i have a root mode but it gives a warning .etc
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08:48<dgodfather>how do i run as sudo in gui?
08:49<jm_>well you can set the command that's executed when you click on the icon no?
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08:49<dgodfather>oh of course but then again i can use the default wireshark(as root) mode which is the same
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08:50<dgodfather>i have the option only i didn't want to use that.
08:50<jm_>right, running it as root is the only option for now
08:51<dgodfather>jm_, OK thanks. but what do you mean by for now?
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08:52<jm_>dgodfather: well until stuff like RSBAC is available in common kernels, or some other way to achieve the same
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08:52<dgodfather>jm_, oh, well in that case i shell wait :)
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08:53<dgodfather>jm_, where can i read about what is going to be included in the next stable release(lenny) and stuff of that type
08:53<jm_>dgodfather: check the release notes
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08:55<dgodfather>jm_, of course only i don't know where can i read about lenny release notes. where to find them
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08:56<dpkg>it has been said that rn is the fore-runner of trn and <slrn>. It's a news reader.
08:57<path>is it possible to edit .war files on eclipse ?
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08:59<jm_>!tell dgodfather -about lenny release notes
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09:00<themill>that copy of the lenny release notes hasn't changed in a while... I'm not sure if I've got the right svn source for them. :(
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09:08<themill>!lenny release notes
09:08<dpkg>Draft release notes at and (latest draft; updated daily). See also, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687).
09:08<themill> ^^ That url for the release notes only contains the English version of the "upgrading" chapter -- is there any call for other chapters or for other languages?
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09:09<dgodfather>themill, thanks
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09:18<djcip>ok - so i'm on debian x64 and i go to - go to play a game - but the flash starts tweaking out - and is just playing the game as if it were a movie
09:18<djcip>so i go to install nsplugginwrapper - and apt-get cannot find the package - help!
09:18<dgodfather>djcip, install the 64 bit alpha version of the flash
09:18<dgodfather>it works for me
09:19<djcip>ok - where do a acquire the beast?
09:19<dgodfather>haven't tried it with though
09:19<djcip>*do i
09:20<dgodfather>djcip, info:
09:20<djcip>ok coo
09:20<dgodfather>read the info on how to make it work, it's only a metter of placing the .so lib in the correct place , or all over the place :)
09:20<djcip>oh ok
09:21<dgodfather>tell me if it worked for you
09:21<djcip>where is the documentation - the tar only has the .so file
09:21*mikegrb prefers the all over the place method
09:21<dgodfather>mikegrb, :)
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09:22<dgodfather>djcip, just read the info to know where you should put the library, or preferably the link to it
09:22<dgodfather>i would put the actual .so file in .mozilla in my home folder
09:22<famelix>com oandaass
09:22<themill>find / -type d -exec cp /tmp/ {} \;
09:22<famelix> gtrkh gn
09:22<dgodfather>and link to it from where ever needed
09:22<famelix> òhmròòd blbbbdkovbdd
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09:23<famelix> òeit ldiftk hòdo jkòodifmy
09:23<themill>famelix: yes, both cat and keyboard are working
09:23<famelix> e+pth,,libe+t
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09:23<famelix>gl poek òhg
09:23<dgodfather>famelix, what is this gibrish?
09:23<famelix> el poekthg
09:23<stew>famelix: english only in here, please
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09:24<dgodfather>stew, i don't think it's a language at all
09:24<Gekz>it's not
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09:24<Gekz>he's spamming on a spanish keyboard
09:24<dgodfather>well he should get a grip
09:24<dgodfather>switch to en and start talking
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09:26<djcip>ok - that worked
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09:29<themill>chealer: oh? that's new... very good.
09:31<themill>dpkg, lenny release notes =~s,,,
09:31<dpkg>themill: You are moron #11
09:31<themill>dpkg: fuck you
09:31<dpkg>no, fuck you
09:31<stew>dpkg, lenny release notes =~ s,,,
09:31<dpkg>stew: that doesn't contain ''
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09:32<stew>oh, he fixed it in /mg
09:32<themill>yeah.... I figured I'd not spam the channel with that any further
09:33<themill>for the record, I was also moron #12 as well, which just goes to show that dpkg can't count.
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09:34<chealer>!lenny release notes
09:34<dpkg>Draft release notes at and (latest draft). See also, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687).
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09:34<themill>update-xmlcatalog bug is completely solved now isn't it?
09:34<themill>!update-xmlcatalog bug
09:34<dpkg>There has been a known bug with the xml catalogs in upgrading from etch to lenny. The bug has been fixed, since the docbook-xml package version 4.5-6 propagated to lenny (version 4.5-5 was buggy.) For more information, see
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09:37<chealer>looks like it!
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09:39<themill>dpkg, lenny release notes =~ s/or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>//
09:39<dpkg>OK, themill
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09:43<chealer>!lenny release notes
09:43<dpkg>Draft release notes at and (latest draft). See also Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687).
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09:43<chealer>the NFS issue seems to be properly documented in the release notes...
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09:49<chealer>dpkg: no, lenny release notes is <reply>Latest draft release notes at . See also
09:49<dpkg>chealer: okay
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10:02<stephane456>> bonjours a tous
10:02<stephane456> je cherche a monté un serveur pour partager ma connections internet mais je suis un peut perdu.
10:02<stephane456> je dispose de deux carte en rj45 et une wifi non reconnue.
10:02<stephane456> la finalité mais j'en suis loin vue mon niveau serait de protéger le tous avec snort et consort
10:02<stephane456> j'ai réussie a installer le ftp des-ja via gproftp plus simple que webmin
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10:03<zeus>hi all can anyone tell how do i can get processor temperature ?
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10:05<dgodfather>zeus, install lm-sensors and start the relevant modules
10:06<chealer>zeus: what kind of computer do you use?
10:06<zeus>chealer: an apple macmini
10:07<chealer>zeus: is that a desktop or a laptop?
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10:07<SlimeyPete>'s a lil' mini-itx style desktop
10:07<zeus>chealer: it's a desktop, something like an eeBox
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10:08<chealer>zeus: OK, did you try lm-sensors?
10:09<zeus>chealer: no, i've tryed mbmon ... but it's not working
10:10<zeus>chealer: i do not know lm-sensors package and i'm already googling about
10:10<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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10:12<zeus>dgodfather: thank you for your help
10:12<zeus>chealer: thank you for your help
10:12<dgodfather>zeus, np
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10:13<dgodfather>though i guess you are using the macOS
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10:13<dgodfather>zeus, is that correct?
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10:14<zeus>dgodfather: absolutely not !!! Debian is the only OS i can use ! :-)
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10:14<dgodfather>zeus, you installed debian on a macmini?
10:15<zeus>dgodfather: Yes ! and it works really great !
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10:15<dgodfather>well, Mac is also very good, i would not do that, you can run debian from any other desktop you have but that is for you to decide. any way your should try the lm-sensors
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10:16<zeus>dgodfather: Mac OS it's not a open source OS so it's not goog !
10:16<dgodfather>zeus, not open source true but also linux based (if i am not mistaking) and a very good operating system
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10:17<dgodfather>not as fun as Debian i have to agree but has it's own advantages, anyway this discussion is off topic so we shell leave it at that
10:17<Hydroxide>dgodfather: no, it's partially based on FreeBSD and partially on Mach and partially on NeXTStep (probably mis-capitalizing). but, yes, off-topic.
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10:18<dgodfather>Hydroxide, 10x for the info :)
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10:18<zeus>dgodfather: ok. i'll stop here! (anyway Mac OS is a BSD flavour not linux)
10:18<dgodfather>but there is a part linux there :)
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10:22<zeus>dgodfather: lm-sensors do the trick ! Thank again !
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10:41<orochi>Hello :> I was thinking of trying to install lenny on my aser aspire netbook, but as you probably know that thing doesn't have any sort of optical there a way i could boot and install the latest lenny iso from a usb stick?
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10:44<newsense>orochi, if your bios supports booting from usb yes
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10:45<orochi>newsense: Oh yes, the BIOS does support booting from a usb stick fortunately :> my issue was more along the lines of trying to find a way to get the iso onto the stick
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10:46<newsense>dpkg wake up
10:46<dpkg>newsense: I'm already awake! :)
10:47<newsense>dpkg tell orochi about usbinstall
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10:47<newsense>heh i forgot the factoid
10:47<orochi>hmm...dpkg doesn't seem to know
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10:47<newsense>its on read the installer guide
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10:48<orochi>ok thanks
10:48<newsense>!usb install
10:48<dpkg>well, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide , see "usb stick" section, for images. (Older, outdated articles and
10:48<newsense>two words not one sorry still waking up
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10:55<orochi>ahh, that should work just fine by the looks of it, thanks...i'll go give it a try
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11:10<And1>chealer: Hey again. My new webcam (Logitech E3500, also UVC) works in mplayer, cheese and luvcview. But in ekiga I don't see anything (though, I get no errors). Also ekiga freezes when I disable/enable the webcam or when I try to change its brightness/... - Sounds like an ekiga problem, mh?
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11:13<path>any recommended java decompiler ?
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11:25<simonrvn>mplayer + webcam?
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11:27<maxb>path: jad is good but unmaintained and binary only :-(
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11:27<path>yep I checked it maxb :/
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11:37<TnT-GnU>Hi! I can mount a nfs with another User?
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11:41<yfk>which pdf reader is good for marking pdfs with a yellow marker on linux? like you can do with foxit....
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11:43<SlimeyPete>yfk: foxit runs under Linux
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11:46<yfk>SlimeyPete: thanks, did you try to run that binary?
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11:46<sd_>Hello! How can I protect my system from botnet bruteforcers trying dictionary attacks to ssh, ftp and pop services? Are there any special software?
11:46<SlimeyPete>yfk: no, I haven't tried it myself
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11:47<TnT-GnU>Hello! I can mount a nfs with another User?
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11:48<sepski>sd_, check out the fail2ban package
11:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 377] by debhelper
11:49<sepski>sd_, unfortunatly it's harder to block the new slow distributed bruteforce attaches, but fail2ban should deal with the stupid ones
11:50<sd_>2-3 attempts per minute should be enough to detect, IMHO
11:50<sepski>sd_, you have to configure it for your pop/ftp/other tho. i belive it does ssh out of the package
11:51<newsense>yeah ssh by default
11:52<sd_>I know how to do so for some kind of routers (ip firewall ....). The way is to construct 2-3 levels of blacklist... Well, I need to see the capabilities of the above recomended software first..
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12:05<blast_hardcheese>What's the best way to clean out /lib/apt/?
12:06<Hydroxide>blast_hardcheese: that doesn't exist. are you sure you don't mean /var/cache/apt/archives ? that's where all the large files (i.e. downloaded debian packages) are
12:06<avu>and you clean it with apt-get clean or autoclean, depending on what you really want
12:06<Hydroxide>blast_hardcheese: you can feel free to remove those any time you aren't actively installing packages - apt-get clean or aptitude clean will do it for you. use apt-get/aptitude autoclean to remove only obsolete ones
12:07<blast_hardcheese>I apologize, /var/lib/apt
12:07<Hydroxide>avu: jinx :)
12:07<blast_hardcheese>I'm familiar with autoclean/clean, but that doesn't seem to touch the 300 megs of release/partial files in /var/lib/apt
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12:08<blast_hardcheese>There are files there that haven't been used in a good long while, long since removed from my sources.list.
12:08<Hydroxide>blast_hardcheese: everything under /var/lib/apt/lists is safe to remove if you like
12:08<metalqga>600mb autocleaned
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12:08<Hydroxide>blast_hardcheese: I wouldn't remove all of /var/lib/apt though
12:09<Hydroxide>blast_hardcheese: if you remove stuff under /var/lib/apt/lists, just remember to update your package lists before the next time you try to install stuff
12:09<blast_hardcheese>Hydroxide: Right, that gave me errors, I had to recreate the directory structure
12:09<Hydroxide>blast_hardcheese: ah, that could be.
12:09<Hydroxide>blast_hardcheese: but the part that's taking up 300 megs can be removed
12:09<blast_hardcheese>I was hoping there was a command for this that would clean out all directories that apt uses
12:09<blast_hardcheese>kind of like clean should be ;)
12:10<Hydroxide>stoned: hi there. sorry I didn't respond to your query - have had all my Debian time lately taken up with planning the bid to have DebConf happen in NYC in 2010
12:10<fxiny>in NYC ?
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12:10<Hydroxide>New York City
12:10<stoned>Hydroxide, np
12:10<fxiny>enouf: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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12:11<blast_hardcheese>haha, DebConf is an awesome name for a conference
12:11<stoned>Hydroxide, I'm trying to unarchive, reopen, retitle, an own a bug
12:11<Hydroxide>stoned: yeah, I vaguely saw you asking about it in #d-d.
12:11<stoned>Hydroxide, seeminly control doesn't like my emails. Trying bts(1) now
12:11<fxiny>enouf: i'll see you live on the stream , then ;)
12:12<enouf>fxiny: !!
12:12<fxiny>enouf: be prepared !
12:12<Hydroxide>note for any excited NYC locals, it's not decided to be in NYC yet, but we have a very good shot. It might also be in Boston, Venezuela, or Ecuador
12:12<Hydroxide>and this year (2009) is in Spain
12:12<enouf>fxiny: wow - awesome - ;-) we BE STREAMIN!
12:12<stoned>well I can travel to boston
12:12<fxiny>enouf: seen ? deboconf 2010 in NYC
12:12<stoned>heh, but uhm.. not to those countries
12:13<newsense>can anyone attend debconf?
12:13<enouf>Hydroxide: screw those other lesser towns ;-)
12:13<newsense>ii might make it if its in ny "roadtrip"
12:13<stoned>yeh, screw yonkers!
12:14<Hydroxide>newsense: yes, though most days of it are very technical and geared toward people who are either involved in Debian, think they might want to be, or who would find such a conference/talk interesting in any case.
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12:14<newsense>im interested in becoming a dd one day might be interesting
12:14<Hydroxide>newsense: there is one day geared toward the local user community (and in the local language, more relevantly if it's in Venezuela/Ecuador)
12:14<Hydroxide>newsense: then sure, come.
12:15*newsense puts on my debian shirt
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12:15<newsense>havent worn it yet, my girlfriend just got it in the mail a few days ago
12:16<fxiny>newsense: if aint smelling of beer is a fake :P
12:16<newsense>i can fix that
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12:19<stoned>newsense, I used to print debian stickers and t-shirts
12:19<stoned>years ago in oklahoma city
12:19*fxiny touches wood
12:19<newsense>i was originally going to do that but my girlfriend surprised me with one
12:20<fxiny>love , sometimes , can be nice :P
12:20<newsense>i kow a guy who airbrushes shoes i was thinking of getting a pair with the debian logo
12:21<newsense>man i sound like a debian fanboy
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12:22*Hydroxide reminds anyone who actually wants Debian technical support that such requests are indeed on-topic here, despite current appearances :)
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12:23<fxiny>newsense: so ? how's your LUKS-ifering box ?
12:23<Hydroxide>newsense: hey, that conversation was quite debian related, so I wasn't trying to stop it, as long as it wasn't impeding any actual tech support requests, since that is the main purpose of this channel
12:23<fxiny>you done it ?
12:24<newsense>fxiny, still in the same state, gives those errors at boot and halt/reboot but its working so i decided to let it be for now
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12:26<fxiny>newsense: i'll see when cloning my lenny , in ethernal-progress
12:26<fxiny>i will certainly do another cloning
12:26<newsense>whats the recommended way to mount a sd card at boot, add a line to /etc/fstab and have an init.d script run mount -a after udev populates /dev or just have a udev rule mount it ?
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12:27<newsense>i hate error messages "pet peev" and if i do the fstab way i obviously get an error that the /dev isnt present
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12:28<newsense>no suggestion come on guys its a support question
12:29<metalqga>just let udev be
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12:29<blast_hardcheese>I'm always impressed by people who can suppress punctuation at will.
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12:31<newsense>im always impressed with optical cables for some reason i like to look through one end and point the other end at different colors on my screen
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12:33<metalqga>I'm always impressed how beer makes ppl better. :P
12:34<koollman>metalqga: it depends who drinks it
12:35<jackyf>metalqga: not all
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12:38<fxiny>you forgot cider :P
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12:58<weasel>sharon: yes?
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12:58<sharon>I have a small wireless technical problem.
12:59<sharon>I have an oldlow spec laptop.
12:59<sharon>I have installed xubuntu on a 8GB memory stick.
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12:59<weasel>sharon: then ask in ubuntu channels?
12:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:59<sharon>It runs just great except for wireless.
13:00<newsense>yeah ask in #ubuntu sorry
13:00<sharon>ok fair comment.
13:00<sharon>I will log in there instead.
13:00<weasel>good luck
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13:34<dpkg><fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting
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13:41<sone>hello, used netinst cd image to install a debian, but bypassed the mirror selection due to slow at the time internet connection, how can I get that mirror selection back to setup aptitude?
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13:43<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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13:43<sone>thank you dpkg
13:43<newsense>i believe apt-spy will set it up for you and choose the losest mirror based on bandwidth tests
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14:44<Lostchild>join #ubunt
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14:46<macrut>hello everybody
14:46<macrut>trying to do an openoffice presentation
14:47<macrut>and I don't know how to add "plantillas"
14:47<macrut>does anybody know how to do that?
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14:49<drone77>tried google?
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14:50<drone77>i see several potential results...
14:50<macrut>I don't
14:51<macrut>I mean I have already done it and I didn't find anything
14:51<drone77>don't have flash so don't know what this is like:
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14:52<macrut>I'm not talking about creat a plantilla
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14:52<macrut>What I want is to use a prebuilded plantilla
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14:52<drone77>you have the template already?
14:52<macrut>what's "template"?
14:53<drone77>(just figured out what plantilla means)
14:53<drone77>template = plantilla i believe
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14:54<drone77>scroll down to "Pointing to an Existing Directory of Templates"
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15:02<kdas>can someone please help me with ICS i have tried firestarter/ipmasq & dnsmasq with no luck
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15:13<user311>hi i need help on setup a gateaway
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15:13<user311>if any one fre pm me
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15:14<sadistcynic>looking for a download accelerator that works with megashares
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15:14<sadistcynic>user311, sry dunno
15:14<user311>ok :)
15:14<user311>any one good there on linux networking?
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15:18<EmleyMoor>If I want to load non-free firmware in the installer can I do it from CD?
15:18<EmleyMoor>(Do I just present the machine with the tgz?)
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15:33<EmleyMoor>Er - no - CD not possible if I booted from it - trying external floppy
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15:33<EmleyMoor>(anyone know the requirements?)
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15:54<tosi>what is the command to bring up ipconfig type info?
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15:55<mgoetze>alternatively, ip
15:55<mgoetze>("ip a", "ip l", "ip r"...)
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16:16<melodie>hello ! :)
16:16<mrdebian>please, anyone can help me?
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16:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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16:17<melodie>I'd like some help for 2 items on a fresh Lenny install, please. It's a core install, with 450 mhz K6 and 184 mo ram. the gui is Lxde and I can't figure out how to write a classic ethernet config file.
16:17<melodie>can someone give me a hand ?
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16:18<mrdebian>how to play RMVB files on Debian 4.0r6 64b, with Mplayer
16:18<melodie>no idea
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16:19<mrdebian>anyone knows?
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16:19<melodie>hi Slurb muammar
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16:20<melodie>Slurb, are you by chance an advanced user ?
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16:20<Slurb>i like to think so
16:20<melodie>looking for some help...
16:20<Slurb>what is your problem
16:20<melodie>could you try to help me on ethernet configuration ? Lenny version
16:21<Slurb>what are you having trouble with
16:21<melodie>the problem is I can only get a connexion with dhclient and I installed Lxde so I don't know how to write some resolver file
16:21<Slurb>go in a terminal and type ifup eth0
16:21<melodie>I'm on the machine I want to configure, btw :p
16:22<melodie>I got the connexion with dhclient
16:22<melodie>I suppose I should write into "interfaces"
16:22<mrdebian>how to play RMVB files on Debian 4.0r6 64b, with Mplayer? Anyone Knows?
16:22<melodie>under /etc/network-something ?
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16:22<mrdebian>i havew installed w64codecs but it now works
16:23<Slurb>you want to modify /etc/network/interfaces
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16:23<Slurb>why is dhcp bad?
16:23<craigevil>mrdebian: try installing realplay from or helix
16:23<Slurb>you need static?
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16:24<melodie>Slurb, it does not connect just after boot
16:24<Slurb>static is a little more difficult
16:24<melodie>theses are the two lines:
16:24<melodie>allow-hotplug eth0
16:24<melodie>iface eth0 inet dhcp
16:24<melodie>under primary network interfaces
16:24<Slurb>above those two lines add a line that says auto eth0
16:25<Slurb>and that will solve your problem
16:25<zobel>serrschossen :)
16:25<zobel>up, EWIN
16:25<Slurb>it will connect at boot-up
16:25<melodie>Slurb, do I put "auto eth0" just under "# The primary network interface" ?
16:26<craigevil>change the allow-hotplug to auto
16:26<melodie>thanks very much.
16:26<melodie>ok !
16:26<Slurb>leave allow hotplug as well
16:27<Slurb>when you restart you should see it activate if you see text
16:27<melodie>yes, I got a boot scrolling if it's what you mean
16:28<melodie>I've got another big question ! :D
16:28<melodie>Xorg and resolution
16:29<melodie>I did a X -configure and I've got a nice xorg.conf but the resolution I want is still not available
16:29<melodie>what I did to install xorg, was
16:29<Slurb>does your monitor and videocard support it?
16:29<melodie>I had a minimal install,
16:29<melodie>well well
16:29<melodie>it's a trident
16:29<Slurb>what resolution are you looking to get
16:29<melodie>I tried Zenwalk live, and it was ok first shot
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16:30<melodie>1024x768 at least
16:30<melodie>actually the screen is a 15 '' with 1024x768 capability
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16:30<Slurb>open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:31<melodie>I could pastebin it
16:31<spande>I am trying to make an hp 6L laserjet work with usblp - it is actually a parallel port printer, but I only have usb and a usb-to-parallel cable.
16:31<spande>cups seems to have picked it up ok
16:31<spande>it prints, but gets stuck at x % when printing a test page. x varies from 20 to 98 percent or so. Suggestions?
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16:31<Slurb>and add a 1024x768 modeline to the color depth you use
16:31<Slurb>where did you pastebin it
16:31<mrdebian>please, anyone can help me?
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16:32<spande>mrdebian: maybe.
16:32<melodie>Slurb, I allready have this in the subsection display:
16:32<mrdebian>i have installed mplayer, w64codecs and it not works
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16:32<melodie>Subsection "Display"
16:32<melodie> Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
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16:32<mrdebian>i use debian 4.0r6 64
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16:33<melodie>I'll install pastebinit, it will make it easier
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16:33<Slurb>mrdebian go in a console and type mplayer and say what it says
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16:34<spande>printing really is teh suck in linux
16:35<melodie>spande, no, it depends which printers
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16:36<spande>melodie : I think cups is still too strange an unintuitive.
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16:36<melodie>Slurb, is what you see in this pastebin look like the modelines you were thinking of or not at all ?
16:36<Slurb>melodie what are you using thats not letting you change the resolution
16:36<melodie>Slurb, ?
16:37<melodie>I would like to know
16:37<Slurb>i think
16:37<Slurb>tell me if that works
16:37<mrdebian>its here
16:38<melodie>xrandr -q said :
16:38<matth>hi melodie :)
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16:38<Slurb>mrdebian mplayer works
16:38<melodie>hi matth
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16:39<mrdebian>yes, but it dont plays MP3, MP4 or RMVB
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16:39<craigevil>mrdebian: install realplayer or helix
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16:40<Slurb>i read it
16:40<Slurb>something is reporting a max res of 800x600
16:40<mrdebian>but i cant play whith Mplayer?
16:40<Slurb>what kind of monitor do you have
16:40<melodie>how are Debian people solve the xorg hotplugging problems nowadays ?
16:40<halflife>mrdebian: deb lenny main , should be able to get most of the codecs
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16:41<Slurb>try mplayer /path/to/file and pastebin the output
16:41<halflife>if you don;t have the codecs
16:41<mrdebian>i use etch
16:41<melodie>Slurb, did you notice I wrote a AutoAddDevice "false" in ServerFlags section, and it does nothing ?
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16:42<mrdebian>i have downloaded the codecs, where is the codec folder to put irt on
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16:42<mrdebian>put it on
16:42<craigevil>mrdebian: use aptitude or apt-get and install them from's repo
16:42<Slurb>melodie try adding the horizsync and vert refresh of the monitor
16:42<halflife>mrdebian: dpkg -L debpackage should tell you where the codecs are , replace lenny with stable in the sources list that i mentioned earlier and you should be just file
16:42<mrdebian>(obs: i use Debian 4.0 r6 64bits
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16:43<melodie>Slurb, ok, but it's a flat monitor : LCD.
16:43<melodie>so how can I do that ?
16:43<mrdebian>i habe this debian-multimedia
16:43<Slurb>mrdebian you cannot use windows codeks on linux
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16:43<Slurb>melodie it still has refresh rates
16:43<mrdebian>oh, i have downloaded for linux
16:43<mrdebian>essential codec pack
16:44<melodie>I try to pick it up from the Zenwalk xorg.conf file I saved in the home
16:44<mrdebian>i have installed w64codecs perfectly, but it not works
16:44<amphi_>mrdebian: install w64codecs package perhaps
16:44<matth>melodie: your problem reminds me when I tried that ship KVM, screen wasnt' anymore detected as its native resolution, instead 800x600. Replaced the KVM with a better one solves the problem :(
16:44<craigevil>if the zenwalk conf works i would just use it
16:44<Slurb>what kind of monitor is it
16:45<melodie>matth, wait a sec please
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16:46<mrdebian>have installed w64codecs perfectly, but it not works
16:46<matth>melodie: you could have made a backup of the Zenwalk xorg.conf and compare it with the debian one
16:47<melodie>may I paste 4 lines here or is it too much ?
16:47<Slurb>msg me
16:47<matth>best is one with a pastebin link
16:48<melodie>I added this in the monitor section :
16:48<matth>melodie: I also have seen that kind of problem solved by manually tweaking Vert/Horiz Refresh rates looking at the monitor's doc
16:48<matth>mmh ok that looks what you tried
16:49<melodie>matth, yes, I even tried it, but the xorg version is not the same, so I guess they don't yet have the auto hotplugging problem
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16:49<melodie>ok I'll try it now, see yu in a few minutes (full reboot to see for the network too)
16:50<melodie>thanks a lot
16:50<matth>as a side not, network usually don't need to reboot, just restarting the proper service should help
16:50<melodie>which service ?
16:50<melodie>yes ?
16:51<Slurb>type /etc/init.d/networking restart
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16:51<matth>melodie: networking / network-manager
16:51<matth>depend on what you're trying to achieve
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16:51<melodie>matth, minimal install, lxde. :)
16:51<melodie>no bloated gui
16:51<mrdebian>i put mplayer (video) on terminal, it works, but it dont works when i right-click in file and put ¨open with mplayer¨. anyone knows why?
16:51<melodie>450 mhz with 180 mo only.
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16:57<Slurb>wb melodie
16:57<melodie>thanks ! :P
16:57<melodie>all is perfect ! :D
16:57<matth>interface problem resolved ?
16:57<melodie>Youpi ! wOOt !
16:57<melodie>right, I now know the final xorg secret ! :D
16:57<Imagandi>hello guys after the last debian lenny update i lost my wifi connectivity and the icon on my taskbar
16:58<Imagandi>here is paste bin from ifconfig and dmesg
16:58<Imagandi>can some one give a hand here ?
16:58<Slurb>imagandi type ifup wifi0
16:59<melodie>just one thing I'm astonished when I restart network, is the message: is that normal ?
16:59<Imagandi>Slurb, ... it is up
16:59<goodger>melodie: perfectly normal
16:59<Imagandi>see the pastebin
16:59<goodger>what part of it astonishes you?
16:59<melodie>ok goodger thank you.
17:00<melodie> renewal in 40047 seconds.
17:00<Slurb>type ifdown wifi0 then ifup wifi0
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17:01<melodie>goodger, how come ?
17:01<valdyn>melodie: thats an unusual dhcp server setup
17:01<valdyn>melodie: but its not a problem
17:01<goodger>melodie: what time of day was that?
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17:02<melodie>valdyn, I just added auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces as Slurb told be, and avoided full reboot : can it be the reason ?
17:02<melodie>goodger, just now
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17:02<valdyn>melodie: the reason for what?
17:02<mrdebian>i put mplayer (video) on terminal, it works, but it dont works when i right-click in file and put ¨open with mplayer¨. anyone knows why?
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17:03<melodie>for the "renewal" part of the message given by the network daemon when restart
17:03<goodger>well, it's a weird number...
17:03<valdyn>melodie: yea it can be
17:03<Slurb>mines always a wierd number to
17:04<valdyn>melodie: who owns that dhcp server?
17:04<melodie>ok thanks to you all ! :)
17:04<melodie>valdyn, I don't know, why ?
17:04<valdyn>melodie: youre connecting to a network that you dont know? funny
17:05<melodie>it's just that I'm not sure what you mean
17:05<valdyn>melodie: anyway you cant really affect the renewal time if you cant access the server
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17:06<melodie>valdyn, I'm not annoyed about that, just that I don't really get how networks function.
17:06<melodie>I've got a adsl router
17:07<valdyn>melodie: the server just told you that you get a reconfirmation of that ip in 40047 seconds
17:07<valdyn>melodie: that also means that the ip is not free for anyone else for at least that time
17:07<melodie>so it will be transparent : I won't have to restart a command whatsoever
17:07<valdyn>melodie: obviously your isp does not care about that
17:07<melodie>not at all
17:08<melodie>it's a local network
17:08<melodie>ok fine.
17:08<melodie>thanks. I have to quit now. :)
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17:10<tosi>ill 1v1 anyone in wc3ft
17:11<goodger>tosi: your sentence is a confusing mix of non-words and juxtaposition
17:11<Slurb>warcraft 3 something
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17:12<Slurb>its a challenge
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17:12<Slurb>tosi make it warsow and you've got a deal
17:12<matth>valdyn: not totally sure of the exactitude of your explanation
17:13<matth>the server advertise a lease time of (usually) 10 days (i.e 864000 seconds)
17:13<matth>the renewal is asked by the client IMHO
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17:19<mrdebian>i put mplayer (video) on terminal, it works, but it dont works when i right-click in file and put ¨open with mplayer¨. anyone knows why?
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17:24<orochi>hello :> this is more of a shell question than a debian question, but perhaps someone here might bash i'm currently using the command "find . | grep filename" to remove a bunch of stale libraries i built into /usr/local/...does anyone know how i could add to that command so that the files outputted by grep are deleted automatically?
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17:30<barnes>orochi i think you can pipe it | xargs rm
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17:32<adama>orochi: read the man page for find... it can do that itself
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17:32<adama>find . -name something -exec {rm $} or some such
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17:33<orochi>adama: Ahh, I see, thanks...and thanks barnes as well :> what I wound up doing myself (which worked, but i'll check up on those) is this instead: "rm -rf `find . | grep gnt`"
17:33<matth>-exec rm {} \;
17:33<adama>orochi: that would probably work but not if the file names had any spaces
17:34<orochi>adama: oh, I see...i'll have to double check and make sure they're all gone then
17:34<adama>it would give an error
17:34<matth>valdyn: confirmation by dhcp3-3.1.1/client/dhclient.c
17:34<orochi>ah, gotcha...well, i don't believe i received any judging by the blank console output so i guess i'm safe this time :> how would you correct it to include spaces?
17:35<adama>"rm: cannot remove `filenamepart': No such file or directory"
17:35<adama>yep you're good
17:35<matth>valdyn: randomness is used in the renewal calculation time when the server does not offer the proper option (58)
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17:35<adama>well the find command matth and I gave you would work
17:36<orochi>adama: oh, well that's good to hear then :> But I think I'll write that find one down so that all the bases are covered
17:36<matth>valdyn: juste for the sake of truth :-)
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17:37<magyar_>hi, need to convert unix text to dos text
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17:37<orochi>i suppose i could use checkinstall just to automatically handle the installation and removal of these things but i don't really trust it :>
17:37<matth>magyar_: unix2dos is your friend
17:38<matth>(from tofrodos package)
17:38<magyar_>matth, thanks
17:38<matth>orochi: or use the debian packaging system
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17:39<orochi>matth: unfortunately i'm not familiar enough with it to create a package with the same ease that i would with checkinstall, which is why i tend to wind up using it anyway
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17:40<matth>orochi: you can really quickly be up & running with the official doc
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17:43*gutocarvalho is away: Away
17:44<orochi>hmm...i'm reading one page that suggests using dh_make but that's not the official doc, I guess I should hunt that down :>
17:44<stew>gutocarvalho: please turn that off in here
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17:53<h2-gw>I'm trying to understand aptitude in Sid, I just put explicitly, along with some other openoffice packages, on hold, aptitude hold <package>, then ran: aptitude dist-upgrade
17:54<h2-gw>and aptitude totally ignored the hold
17:54<h2-gw>is this a known bug, is it broken, or is this failure to actually hold what you tell it to hold somehow part of the design? This is the only thing in aptitude that I find, and other testers find, to make no sense
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17:55<goodger>it's possible that dist-upgrade is meant to ignore holds
17:55<h2-gw>oh, that's that what I was afraid of
17:55<h2-gw>that's what it looks like to me too
17:55<goodger>don't quote me, though
17:55<h2-gw>that's unfortunate
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17:56<goodger>does "install" ignore the hold? i.e. aptitude install
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17:56<h2-gw>no, I think that's right, that was my first guess, a remarkably unfortunate default decision, since dist-upgrade is precisely when you need the hold to hold
17:56<h2-gw>goodger, I assume it ignores it, that one makes sense, that did it in apt-get too, that's expected, since install is explicit override of hold
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17:56<goodger>ah, I see
17:57<h2-gw>however, this explains some things people were seeing when we were testing aptitude in sid
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17:58<h2-gw>oh well, darn it, I had such hopes for aptitude in sid, other than this issue, I really like it, I prefer it actually, but this is kind of a full stop no go thing
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17:59<h2-gw>I'll read up and see if there is an option to override this unwanted behavior, aptitude has a lot of stuff hidden in its corners
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18:00<stew>h2-gw: this is not expected behavior
18:01<stew>h2-gw: from the manpage, "hold will cause a package to be ignored by future safe-upgrade or full-upgrade commands"
18:01<orochi>yeah, when i first started using aptitude i had to get used to the difference between dist-upgrade and full-upgrade :> particularly being so used to 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
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18:02<orochi>'aptitude full-upgrade' from what i understand is much similar to 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
18:02<orochi>(but i'm just learning about aptitude myself :>)
18:02<stew>its not just similar, its the new name for the same operation
18:02<orochi>stew: thanks for clarifying on that
18:02<stew>dist-upgrade is the old name that we are moving away from
18:03<orochi>matth: incidentally after editing the debian/rules file to change the config options building a package without checkinstall was a breeze, thanks
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18:05<stew>h2-gw: you might try "forget pending actions" and put the package on hold again, just incase there was already some pending action to upgrade
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18:06<kos>how to upgrade my debian with proxy? (proxy in local network)
18:07<kos>sorry bad english
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18:07<h2-gw>stew hmmm
18:07<h2-gw>stew, I wonder if the actual 'dist-upgrade command is the problem?
18:08<h2-gw>maybe dist-upgrade doesn't totally map to full-upgrade
18:08<mgoetze>kos: man apt.conf
18:08<h2-gw>stew, I'm going to try it with full-upgrade instead, just a minute, I'll let you know if there was a difference
18:09<h2-gw>because it's certainly not holding with dist-upgrade
18:09<kos>mgoetze, i dont understand
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18:10<stew>h2-gw: dist-upgrade and full-upgrade should be identical (besides the fact that dist-upgrade tells you to use full-upgrade)
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18:17<sander_m>Hi. How do I tell apt to reinstall a package and re-ask all the configuration questions? I tried to install ejabberd and something went wrong so the package is now "broken". Uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't ask me for any of the configuration questions anymore.
18:17<goodger>sander_m: dpkg-reconfigure *package*
18:17<sander_m>goodger: Doesn't work. Apt won't let me because the package is broken
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18:18<simy>can sombody tell me how 64bit is diffrenent?
18:18<frank>sander_m: tried to purge it?
18:18<goodger>sander_m: then it's because its dependencies aren't satisfied
18:18<simy>64bit debian versus 32bit.. I mean is it just the kernel and everything on top of that is the same?
18:18<simy>same source, but compiled diffrently?
18:18<goodger>simy: no, the entire system is compiled for 64-bit
18:19<Imagandi>hi guys i lost my wifi gui tool
18:19<sander_m>goodger: They are, but the post installation script failed so apt marked the package as broken
18:19<Imagandi>after the lasts update
18:19<Imagandi>can some one tell me how to recover it
18:19<goodger>sander_m: purge it and reinstall?
18:19<simy>goodger, but the source code is the same right? eg pidgin 32bit is compiled for a 32bit using the same source that is compiled for a 64bit?
18:19<newsense>Imagandi, is it just not in your menu ?
18:19<simy>eg, if i do go the 64bit route, I can just compile somthing if i cant find a package, just like i do now... right?
18:20<simy>and the compiler does the rest... i hope :)
18:20<Imagandi>newsense, yes just it is not on the taskbar
18:20<Imagandi>whre stay the other active applications
18:20<newsense>than run it
18:20<Imagandi>i use debian lenny with gnome
18:20<sander_m>frank: How do I purge?
18:20<goodger>simy: yep, there is no difference whatsoever viz-a-viz compilation and, in the majority of cases, package source
18:20<Imagandi>but i cant find it any way
18:20<Imagandi>yo run it
18:20<newsense>Imagandi, im guessing you mean network-manager
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18:20<frank>sander_m: aptitude purge <package>
18:20<newsense>Imagandi, try update-menus
18:21<Imagandi>newsense, i add some kind of network-manager but its not that i cant see the list with tha available router
18:21<newsense>Imagandi, try update-menus from a console or xterm
18:21<Imagandi>ok i wil try
18:21<sander_m>frank: I used apt-get to install, not aptitude. Does that matter?
18:21<simy>goodger, ok, thanks :) Ive got a friend hounding me, and he may finally switch cause he likes windows as much as i do, cept hes never switched yet, lol
18:21<newsense>Imagandi, so network-manager is running but its not showing networks ?
18:21<frank>no, but apt-get --purge remove <package> should also do
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18:21<goodger>simy: goodgood
18:21<newsense>Imagandi, sorry im having a hard time understanding your problem
18:21<Imagandi>newsense, do you want a screan shot ?
18:22<Imagandi>i will try to explain on private may i ?
18:22<newsense>Imagandi, not necessary but if youd like
18:22<newsense>Imagandi, better if you ask in here
18:23<simy>goodger, it would be better if he just tried it... hes never tried anything but windows, not mac, not linux.. nothign else... lol
18:23<goodger>ugh. enjoy the endless support queries
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18:24<simy>goodger, I think i have no choice...
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18:26<Imagandi>before the updates i have netowrk manager who display list of available routers
18:26<newsense>and now the list is empty ?
18:26<Imagandi>now i have manager from which i can change interfaces between eth0 and ath0
18:26<Imagandi>but there is no list
18:26<Imagandi>no there is no list
18:27<Imagandi>with the old one when i make first mouse click there was a falling list with networks
18:27<jstein3[de]>i copied my old data to a new harddisc the new one uses LVM, my system is debian testing. here is my harddisk layout: grub claims he can not find my root. how can i fix this? a knoppix cd is running now for emergency. I can mount my lvm partitions. I would be very glad if someone could help me.
18:27<newsense>wheres that screenshot ?
18:27<Imagandi>now i see the propertis of the manager from where i can change the interfaces
18:27<Imagandi>just a se
18:27<Imagandi>just a sec
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18:28<newsense>Imagandi, and your interface is in the list correct and chosen ?
18:28<valdyn>jstein3[de]: grub cannot boot from lvm volumes
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18:30<jstein3[de]>valdyn, sure? most distributions use grub and LVM...
18:30<Imagandi>maybe i must pick a new wifi gui tool
18:30<h2-gw>stew, they are identical, and both are failing to hold packages that have been held by aptitude hold <package>
18:30<valdyn>jstein3[de]: I'm sure
18:30<stew>h2-gw: did you try to cancel pending actions?
18:30<valdyn>jstein3[de]: those distros have /boot not on lvm, or / which includes /boot not on lvm
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18:31<h2-gw>"forget pending actions" how is that done?
18:31<h2-gw>is it an option?
18:31<jstein3[de]>valdyn, my boot is not in lvm. i pasted my harddisc configuration here
18:32<h2-gw>but it's unclear to me what could have been pending, I put the packages on hold, then ran aptitude dist-upgrade/full-upgrade
18:32<valdyn>jstein3[de]: that doesnt tell me anything about /boot
18:32<jstein3[de]>valdyn, so it should work, shouldnt it?
18:32<redspike>iam going to install a softraid system now, is there any meaning to raid1 the swap partition?
18:32<valdyn>jstein3[de]: with some adjustment yes
18:32<stew>h2-gw: there is a 'cancel pending actions' in the actions menu, there is a way to do it from the cli as well, maybe 'keep-all'? i don't remember
18:32<jstein3[de]>valdyn, ups... sorry... sda1 is /boot
18:33<h2-gw>ah, I'm using command line
18:33<h2-gw>keep-all is dangerous
18:33<jstein3[de]>valdyn, its a 32 M partition with ext2fs and all /boot files from the old system
18:33<valdyn>jstein3[de]: your kernel is at (hd0,0)/vmlinuz-* now instead of (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-* for instance
18:33<h2-gw>this looks about as close to a genuine bug as I've seen, a hold should hold and shouldn't require unusual or non standard further steps, oh well
18:34<h2-gw>personally I thought that aptitude ignoring dpkg holds was already a fairly serious bug in aptitude, but this just doesn't work
18:34<jstein3[de]>valdyn, how can i find that out?
18:34<stew>h2-gw: why should aptitude pay attention to holds in dselect? should dselect pay attention to holds in aptitude?
18:35<stew>h2-gw: try "forget pending actions"
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18:35<stew>h2-gw: if you tell aptitude to both hold and upgrade a package what should it do?
18:35<valdyn>jstein3[de]: and the grub line would look like root (hd0,0), while the kernel parameter would be root=/dev/vg1/lvmroot
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18:35<valdyn>jstein3[de]: see /boot/grub/menu.lst
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18:36<h2-gw>stew, it should hold it, otherwise how can you hold a package in an upgrade that might be broken?
18:36<enouf>redspike: why are you pm'ing me? please don't
18:36<h2-gw>like apt-get does
18:36<stew>h2-gw: when you tell apt-get to upgrade a held package, it upgrades it
18:36<h2-gw>I'll check into forget pending actions
18:36<h2-gw>stew no it doesn't
18:36<stew>h2-gw: yes it does
18:37<h2-gw>apt-get holds it
18:37<stew>h2-gw: not when you tell it specifically to upgrade it
18:37<h2-gw>if I hold a package with dpkg apt-get holds it
18:37<jstein3[de]>valdyn, looks like this:
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18:37<stew>h2-gw: not if you tell apt-get to upgrade it
18:37<h2-gw>I'm referring to apt-get dist-upgrade here, not apt-get install
18:37<stew>h2-gw: i'm referring to apt-get install
18:37<h2-gw>stew, I'm referring to dist-upgrade or upgrade
18:38<h2-gw>I know install installs, that's as expected, that's what one asks for
18:38<jstein3[de]>valdyn, the old /dev/sda3 is still there....
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18:38<stew>h2-gw: i'm conjecturing that you might have a 'install' operation pending in aptitude
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18:38<h2-gw>stew possibly
18:38<h2-gw>I'll check the forget thing, but others found exactly the same failures
18:38<valdyn>jstein3[de]: root=/dev/sda3 doesnt look like what i said
18:39<redspike>enouf: sorry :/ had a q: about swap partition and software raid but iam reading the howto now and think i have found the solusion.
18:39<valdyn>jstein3[de]: but if grub complains about not finding root its not finding (hd0,0), that is probably your bios setting or not setting sda as primary disk
18:39<spgwhistler>I've got a debian wifi card question, is this the place to ask it?
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18:39<abrotman>spgwhistler: just ask
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18:40<enouf>redspike: i see your raid1 swap question though now .. way above .. if you make 2 swaps, one on each disk the kernel will round-robin them anyway - so long as you don't set one's priority higher/lower than the other - man mkswap , IIRC
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18:40<spgwhistler>I have debian etch on a laptop. I have a wireless pcmcia card that was working when I installed once, then I reinstalled and now it wont get an ip address. It does associate to the ap.
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18:41<jstein3[de]>valdyn, i have changed the line to: kernel /vmlinuz- root=/dev/vg1/lvmroot ro
18:41<spgwhistler>I tried two different cards - both associate to ap, but wont get ip. DHCP is working on ap.
18:41<redspike>enouf: yes thanx. 4g memmory in the system, 3g swap x2 disk sould be fine?
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18:42<enouf>redspike: sure - hopefully you won't want to hit swap too much anyway ;-)
18:43<enouf>redspike: er 3G swap each? i thought swapspace had a 2G limit - might be FS specific?
18:43<enouf>i mean /each swap/ that is
18:43<jstein3[de]>valdyn, should i chroot /mnt/_root now and run grub there?
18:43<enouf>i know you can have many of them
18:43<spgwhistler>does anyone know what this error means: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): Link not ready.
18:44<newsense>sounds like your trying to get a dhcp ip with the adapter being down
18:44<newsense>if i had to take a wild guess
18:44<spgwhistler>but the cards are associated with the ap - they have lights that turn on when they associate.
18:44<themill>enouf: there's no filesystem involved for there to be an fs-specific limit to the size of a swap partition.
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18:45<enouf>themill: right .. however
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18:46<enouf>themill: why even a 2G limit?
18:46<stew>h2-gw: you might also check /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates to make sure that the 'hold' is relaly working
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18:49<h2-gw>stew, I'll do that too, but keep-all removes all information
18:49<h2-gw>including hold status
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18:49<h2-gw>just FYI, so that wouldn't be a solution at all
18:49<jstein3[de]>valdyn, grub-install /dev/sda returned: what should i do with that: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /
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18:50<redspike>enouf: you right
18:51<redspike>enouf: ill go for 2x 1.5g
18:51<enouf>redspike: ;-) .. is it current?
18:52<themill>it's not. I have 2*3GB swap partitions on my laptop (-686 kernel)
18:52<enouf>well.. eewwww .. haha
18:52<valdyn>jstein3[de]: thats not a problem
18:52<redspike>64g redhat says
18:53<enouf>themill: it was at one point in time not long ago
18:53<themill>enouf: I think the limit went away during the 2.5 kernel cycle. That's long enough ago...
18:53<enouf>or .. is it only limited to that when using a swapFILE?
18:53<themill>(or at least the practical limit went away... there's still probably a limit)
18:53<enouf>themill: i don't think it was that long ago - i'll leave it at that
18:53<jstein3[de]>valdyn, ok, thank you a lot. i will try to reboot now. I will be back here in a few minutes and report if it worked.
18:54<themill>enouf: yes, you'll still have fs-related limits for swap files.
18:54<enouf>until i can investigate further
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18:54<enouf>themill: oh, indeed - sure , but 2G hasn't been an issue for any Linux FS since .. er .. long long time :-)
18:55<enouf>prolly never :-)
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18:55<redspike>thanx for all info enouf and themill
18:56<themill>enouf: unless you were silly enough to use vfat which can and does happen
18:56<enouf>themill: sadly :-)
18:56<enouf>redspike: np
18:57<redspike>enouf: iam going for 2x80g (raid0) system, 2x 3g swap, and 2x217g raid1 /home
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18:58<redspike>enouf: filesystem ext3 or xfs? on / (system) raid0
18:58<mike_>hey can anyone help my get my wifi working in lenny?
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18:59<goodger>mike_: welcome back
18:59*abrotman hides
18:59<redspike>enouf: is it a performence diff?
18:59<newsense>mike_, what chipset ?
18:59<mike_>umm i know that its uses the b43 firmware cutter lol
19:00<abrotman>mike_: which kernle?
19:00<newsense>!tell midlis about b43
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19:00<newsense>dammned nick completion
19:00<enouf>redspike: use whichever you're more comfortable with - the safe default would be ext3
19:00<simy>does linux support dual processors, specifially dual 64 bit processors?
19:00<newsense>!tell mike_ about b43
19:00<themill>mike_: lenny? or are you back on etch again?
19:00<mike_>abortman, 2.6.26-1-686
19:00<enouf>simy: ofcourse
19:01<mike_>abrotman, got my lenny up
19:01<abrotman>mike_: did you run the b43-fwcutter ?
19:01<simy>enouf, does it need a special kernel, or just a 64 bit kernel for it?
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19:01<enouf>simy: all since 2.6.18 are SMP-aware
19:01<enouf>simy: oh
19:01<enouf>except the -486 one
19:01<simy>enouf, thanks, ive got a buddy pestering me about hardware and linux, etc...
19:02<mike_>abrotman, i was getting an error earlier telling em it needed the firmware
19:02<enouf>simy: this is Debian though - for general info see ##linux on or ##hardware
19:02<abrotman>mike_: did you run the b43-fwcutter ?
19:03<simy>enouf, well i use debian :) hes prob gona use debian :)
19:03<simy>enouf, but I get your point....
19:03<mike_>its tellin me command not found abrotman
19:03<abrotman>so install it
19:03<mike_>aptitude install b43-cutter?
19:03<newsense>mike_, yes
19:04<newsense>it will fetch and extrct the firmware to /lib/firmware
19:04<abrotman>it's called b43-fwcutter
19:04<newsense>actuallyy b43-fwcutter
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19:06<mike_>i got it
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19:06<mike_>just run it/
19:06<enouf>simy: you want to really impress, tell him about CPU hotplugging and 256 CPU core support
19:06<mike_>nvm works without me running it haha
19:06<mike_>ill brb guys
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19:06<simy>enouf, lol, he dosnt care, he wont be impressed, he finally broke down.. cause his computer does
19:07<simy>just like it slows down if it gets too old, meanwhile my computer same one, gets faster... even though my poor keyboard keys are breaking slowly but surley from being used too much
19:07<simy>stupid laptop keys
19:07<mathieu>hi, is there a specific IRC channel regarding Debian packaging / maintainers ?
19:08<dpkg>mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see #debian-mentors on, and
19:08<newsense>dam abrotman always one step ahead of me grr
19:08<mathieu>hehe thx to all
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19:13<jstein>valdyn, back again. I can get grub boot menu now. and the kernel loads a few seconds. then it panics because root can not be mounted. I check the kernel now. perhaps lvm was a module
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19:14<valdyn>jstein: you are using a custom kernel or a debian kernel?
19:14<jstein>valdyn, a custom one
19:14<enouf>redspike: for info about that round robin you need to see ~$ man 2 swapon
19:15<newsense>anyone know what is generating this syslog entry: firefox-bin: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "", got "
19:15<newsense>kernel ip spoof protection in sysctl ?
19:15<enouf>redspike: install the manpages-dev pkg
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19:16<jstein>how is lvm called in make menuconfigs menu?
19:16<enouf>heh, alternatively; man 2 swapoff - lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2008-09-29 17:35 /usr/share/man/man2/swapoff.2.gz -> swapon.2.gz
19:17<enouf>jstein: devicemapper - or DM
19:17<jstein>enouf, thx
19:17<newsense>no one got a clue what is generating that syslog entry i posted above ?
19:18<abrotman>one owuld guess firefox
19:18<newsense>other apps generate the ame message
19:18<enouf>jstein: basically ~$ grep DM_ /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686
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19:18<newsense>im guessing kernel ip spoof is the culprit
19:18<newsense>but ijm not sure
19:19<enouf>jstein: atleast one got away in that grep -> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m
19:21<enouf>i'd likely either set everything in there to =y or =m
19:24<themill>newsense: the message starting with "firefox-bin" is a bit of a giveaway.
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19:25<newsense>themill, yeah but the reason i think otherwise is lots of other apps that are ip based have the same exact log entried with the apps name in place of firefox-bin im not retarded
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19:25<xente>could someone tell me if it's possible to sign a binary debian package?
19:26<newsense>themill, and what are the odds that more than 4 apps have the same log entry format
19:26<jstein>enouf, in the config i have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m but i cant find it in the menu....
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19:26<abrotman>xente: sign it for what?
19:26<xente>for my own repository
19:26<abrotman>!secure apt
19:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, secure apt is
19:26<themill>newsense: the log message will be written by libc since it's talking about gethostby* functions. But the firefox-bin process caused the message. What's your real question?
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19:27<xente>abrotman: for my own repository
19:27*EmleyMoor has sorted almost everything he wanted to abut UK Dvorak keyboard layouts
19:27<themill>xente: you're probably looking for debsign
19:27<newsense>themill i guess you just answered it i wanted to know what was generating the log entries i thought it might be something kernel related
19:27<EmleyMoor>(and that which remains is not a big problem)
19:27<newsense>guess i was wrong
19:29<jstein>enouf, ah i found it
19:30<enouf>jstein: use / to help find shit, like the header in menuconfig tells you
19:31<enouf>redspike: heh, you sure can find older information (that gentoo link with swap info - they talk about 2.2/2.4 kernels even)
19:32<xente>themill: thnx
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19:34<sander_m>Hi. I have installed ejabberd but I cannot login. Neither in the webinterface nor using pidgin. I always get "Authentication failed". I'm 100% sure the password is correct. Any ideas?
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19:35<simonkohnstamm>Hello I'm having some issues with my debian installation
19:35<simonkohnstamm>can anyone help me?
19:36<abrotman>you have to ask your real question
19:36<ubuntu>how do i make text size smaller on MID image , text is huge
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19:37<simonkohnstamm>i wanted to do a network install, but my school has a proxy that requires you to sign the computer up with a website. are you still following me?
19:37<simonkohnstamm>I am getting an IP address, but I can not install anything until the computer is registered
19:38<abrotman>ubuntu: i think you want #ubuntu on
19:38<EmleyMoor>simonkohnstamm: Like at a hotspot?
19:38<simonkohnstamm>Is there a package that i can install with a USB drive to get an internet browser or something so i can get access to the real internet
19:38<simonkohnstamm>right like at a hotspot
19:38<simonkohnstamm>isnt this debian?
19:38<abrotman>does it require javascript ?
19:38<ubuntu>ohh so i do LOL , thanks abrotman
19:39<simonkohnstamm>its just forms
19:39<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: does links/lynx exist on the netinst CD ?
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19:39<simonkohnstamm>unfortunately no
19:40<abrotman>well .. links has low package requirements
19:41<simonkohnstamm>could i put it on a thumbdrive and install it>
19:41<jstein>when i build a kernel i use this line make-kpkg kernel_image --rootcmd fakeroot --revision mibkernel.01 that works fine for the first run. How should i call it on the second run?
19:41<abrotman>you would need the links package and the libgpmg1
19:41<simonkohnstamm>can i install it using aptitude>
19:42<abrotman>is this during the intall or after?
19:42<simonkohnstamm>im in the console right now
19:42<abrotman>so put those two packages on the usb drive .. then use `dpkg -i foo1.deb foo2.deb`
19:43<simonkohnstamm>are those placeholders?
19:43<abrotman>for links-r3ifaoiye;fhase.deb and libgpmg1-akfje;lkjfalsekjf.deb .. whatever they're named
19:43<simonkohnstamm>i can unpackage them at the same time?
19:44<simonkohnstamm>does that install it too?
19:44<simonkohnstamm>or what do i need to do to install?
19:44<EmleyMoor>That installs
19:44<simonkohnstamm>i'll be right back
19:44<EmleyMoor>Then see if you can sign into the network by using links
19:45<simonkohnstamm>have to use this ethernet cord, so i shall return, thanks so much for your help for now
19:46<simonkohnstamm>wait do i need to download the .deb files>
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19:46<simonkohnstamm>like i need to find somethihng with the suffix .deb
19:46<abrotman>etch or lenny ?
19:46*abrotman should have asked before
19:46<simonkohnstamm>im not sure?
19:46<EmleyMoor>stable or testing
19:46<EmleyMoor>etch then
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19:49<simonkohnstamm>ok 1 sec
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19:52<simonkohnstamm>how to i get to the usb drivfe
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19:53<abrotman>plug it in .. use dmesg to see where it is
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19:55<simonkohnstamm>im so confused
19:55<simonkohnstamm>it has address 2 i know that much...
19:55<simonkohnstamm>whatever that means
19:56<h2-gw>stew, I found the problem, aptitude ignores all holds set if any components of a package group like openoffice is updated, the hold is too weak, that is
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19:56<h2-gw>basically, aptitude will ignore all holds if any other component of that group is updated and itself is not on hold
19:57<h2-gw>apt-get is a bit more clever in this case, and understands what you mean significantly better, hopefully aptitude will fix this at some point in the future
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19:57<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: it should say it's like /dev/sda or something
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19:58<h2-gw>anyway, thanks for the thoughts, it wasn't related to the status at all, I checked that, it's just aptitude failign to do what you politely ask it to do
19:58<h2-gw>once you place all components on hold, the holds work
19:59<asteroid>does anybody know how to play music on digital out other then one mp3-stream?
19:59<asteroid>or should i reinstall?
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20:00<simonkohnstamm>will everyone be on here tomorrowish?
20:00<simonkohnstamm>are you guys on here a lot
20:00<abrotman>lots of people are .. i'm sure someone will be here
20:00<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: you're in eastern timezone, so the chances are good
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20:01<simonkohnstamm>alright im done for the night, thanks for the help
20:02<abrotman>have fun in the cold :)
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20:02<simonkohnstamm>it sucks
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20:32<adama>beer o'clock! bye!!
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20:37<goodger>the time at the third whithering glare will be: one thirty-seven and nine seconds
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20:39<Ciber>anyone know anything about how to tell if a hard drive is failing?
20:39<asteroid>ping pong
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20:43<simonrvn>the ping pong of death; loud ticking noises; screeching
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20:43<Ciber>the hdd is in a server, not physically here :/
20:44<Ciber>doesn't say anything is failing, but gives a very high value for Offline_Uncorrectable errors
20:44<Ciber>also, the hdd seems to have an i/o throughput of about 200kbps at times
20:45<simonrvn>get it changed asap
20:45<Ciber>that does sound like a plan
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20:59<Diretrix>Boa noite! não escrevo em inglês, podem me dizer como faço pra ir para o local q tcm em português?
21:00<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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21:09<gpb>i know this has probably been asked too many times already...
21:09<gpb>... but i simply can't let it go anyway
21:09<dmoerner>just ask, and we will answer.
21:09<asteroid>the introduction is rather dramatic
21:10<gpb>do you, the elder gods of #debian have any idea when the new stable will be ready?
21:10<dmoerner>gpb: /msg dpkg wwlr, /msg dpkg siyh
21:10<dmoerner>for the latest news, RC2 of d-i is supposed to be coming in a week, i have heard rumors that they want to release 2-4 weeks after that
21:11<bob_>I gots me a question too
21:11<jrabbit>in true 'stable' fashion someone decided to drag out a policy issue
21:11<asteroid>doesn't apt-get solve this?
21:11<bob_>why does my samba config not work?
21:11<bob_>when it has worked in the bast?
21:11<jrabbit>dmoerner: look what you did!
21:11<gpb>sooner if i help... ok, I try the links there :p
21:11<gpb>but is it "only" hanging on d-i now?
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21:12<bob_>nm, i may have gotten it.
21:13<dmoerner>it is hanging on many things
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21:16<gpb>128 RC-Bugs, for example? ;-)
21:16<jrabbit>that too :>
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21:16<gpb>as far as I know last time some packets with RC-Bugs were dropped dor stable so it ccould be released, that's why I asked
21:16<jrabbit>hot damn compiling boost on an old ppc proc
21:17<gpb>just dropall arch except i386 and release it...
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21:18<Odetta> /j #racer_u28
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21:21<bob_>anyone got anything as to why a samba config that has worked in the past would not work now?
21:22<bob_>its a backup of my old smb.conf that i saved and am trying to use again
21:22<bob_>added the users
21:22<bob_>made sure everything is still on the right workgroup
21:23<asteroid>that'd point to circumstancial events i think
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21:23<asteroid>and that does not help you
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21:23<gpb>what error message do you get?
21:24<bob_>my windows machine simply does not see the network
21:24<bob_>in fact, my debian machine doesnt see it either
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21:24<InkBottle>Hi, I would like to install fltk1.3; what would be the minimal to put it in a deb?
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21:25<gpb>routing error or sth like that, bob?
21:25<gpb>firewall problem?
21:25<brianwillis1984>im haveing some issues with my debian
21:26<bob_>fresh install of debian, no fw as yet,
21:26<brianwillis1984>before i had the old verison and now i have the new verison of debian but i need to know what driver to select in my install of debian.. i have a netgear wg511 v2
21:26<brianwillis1984>could someone help
21:27<asteroid>what is in the samba config?
21:27<aetheria_>brianwillis1984: google for what kernel module that adapter requires
21:27<gpb>testparm runs ok, bob?
21:27<bob_>sorry, kinda new to all of this
21:27<brianwillis1984>aetheria_: not understanding what u mean
21:28<aetheria_>brianwillis1984: driver = kernel module in Linux
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21:29<bob_># Global Paramaters; workgroup = home; netbios name = name; encrypt passwords = yes;
21:29<bob_>and then my shares
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21:30<brianwillis1984>aetheria_: is this what im looking for
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21:33<mike_>could not having my usb soundcard plugged in cause a kernel error?
21:34<aetheria_>what is the error?
21:34<mike_>doesnt tell me
21:34<InkBottle>brianwillis1984: It seems it's goint to be hard
21:34<mike_>just says that there was an error
21:34<aetheria_>look in /var/log/syslog
21:34<aetheria_>or tail -f /var/log/syslog in a shell
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21:36<mike_>im gonna open it and paste bin will you take a look for me?
21:37<brianwillis1984>inkbottle: cant i just skip that and keep installing then come back for the network install?
21:37<InkBottle>brianwillis1984: for a given 'netgear' wifi card, such as wg511, the chipset differs from on version to an other: the chipset for v1 will be different than the on for v2
21:38<brianwillis1984>inkbottle: right now im linux retarded im still learning linux so what u are saying im not understanding
21:38<InkBottle>You'll need to make the install using an rj45 wire
21:38<brianwillis1984>basically its going to be hard to figure out
21:38<dpkg>The WG511 is a model of (at least four) wireless PCMCIA cards produced by Netgear. Visit for for descriptions, chipset details and pictures of each. Ask me about <prism54> for WG511 v1 or WG511 v2 cards, see <p54> for WG511 v3. Ask me about <ndiswrapper> if you have a WG511v2.
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21:40<InkBottle>that's what I say: use rj45
21:40<brianwillis1984>easy said then done... this is a laptop without onboard etherent
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21:41<brianwillis1984>well i have a cnet cnf401 pcmia card that is hard line
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21:41<gpb>install using a CD-set without network now and adding that later?
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21:41<brianwillis1984>could u help me to find the drivers for that
21:42<InkBottle>brianwillis1984: it seems you have a Marvell chipset not supported by linux
21:42<InkBottle>you should hence use ndiswrapper
21:43<gpb>for the siyh answer earlier: I looked for any RC-bugs for packages i have installed (so i could test/reproduce) - only 2 with problems that matter for me (i don't have a sun, for example...) and both are already fixed
21:43<gpb>!tell brianwillis1984 about ndiswrapper
21:44<brianwillis1984>inkbottle: i installed the card now its saying it needs specail resource config and at the bottom its saying pcmcia resource range options.?
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21:44<brian5345>anyone here
21:45<brianwillis1984>should i type anything there?
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21:45<tmg1>what could cause me to be online yet not be able to ping anything?
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21:46<brian5345>i just installed debian
21:46<brian5345>i have no sound
21:46<brian5345>is sound muted by default
21:46<tmg1>brian5345: what kind of sound card?
21:46<tmg1>brian5345: sometimes
21:46<bob_>it was on mine
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21:46<tmg1>do you have a volume icon on your top right hand corner?
21:46<tmg1>also might be helpful; alsaconf
21:46<tmg1>not sure if it's recommended or not
21:47<asteroid>and check alsamixer
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21:48<tmg1>I can ping myself, I can't ping my dns servers...and yet I'm here
21:48<aetheria_>!tell brian5345 about alsa checklist
21:49<aetheria_>tmg1: firewall blocking ICMP?
21:49<tmg1>what firewall, though?
21:50<tmg1>i'm connected directly to the modem and as far as I know aren't running any.
21:50<InkBottle>brianwillis1984: I thoink you shouldn't have to answer this; but if you have to see there
21:50<brianwillis1984>what is pcmcia resource range options?
21:50<tmg1>iptables shows no entries in its lists
21:50<InkBottle>brianwillis1984: once again it should work even if you don't answer this question
21:52<tmg1>'s a non-inetutils ping
21:52<tmg1>how the hell
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21:53<gpb>if everything fails fire up wireshark and look what's being sent on the wire
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21:55<gpb>that's how i resolved some strange routing error lately... when both my (connected) wireless and the (not connected) eth0 decided they were responsible for 192.168.0.x -- internet was working, local connections not so much :)
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21:57<brianwillis1984>inkbottle: i have a mircon tansport nx
21:58<brianwillis1984>not sure what that was
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22:04<tmg1>hmmm pinging is part of 'reloading' (aptitude) / refreshing current repo information hmm
22:04<tmg1>at least it's letting me download packages(!)
22:05<aetheria_>tmg1: you can try mtr-tiny and fping
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22:05<tmg1>well mtr anyway
22:06<aetheria_>also look at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all
22:07<aetheria_>should be 0 to allow pings
22:10<tmg1>it's 0
22:10<brianwillis1984>hey is 2.6.686 a good kernel?
22:11<abrotman>you mean linux-image-2.6-686 ?
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22:12<aetheria_>tmg1: its probably your modem or your provider
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22:13<tmg1>aetheria_: it could be...but it's really weird that they would start doing that right now, after I've had computer trouble
22:17<tmg1>wireshark is cool
22:17<tmg1>i like it
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22:18<tmg1>wireshark is showing me the pings going out but not returning
22:18<tmg1>calling my isp. . .
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22:23<tmg1>no traffic other than a bunch of ARP traffic
22:23<tmg1>and my outgoing pings
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22:24<heroxbd>tmg1: what target are you sending ping reqs?
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22:25<tmg1>heroxbd: all sorts of things, my dns servers, google, this server,...
22:25<tmg1>ip addresses
22:26<heroxbd>tmg1: can you connect via http? maybe icmp packets are filtered.
22:26<tmg1>it could be but now would be a very strange time to start filtering icmp
22:26<tmg1>as an ISP that is
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22:27<heroxbd>tmg1: Then it is not likely for you to successful persuading ISP to open to icmp.
22:27<heroxbd>tmg1: You should find another way around.
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22:47<tmg1>hmm I'll try another network stack/OS
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22:50<Kctao19cm>alguma gata quer tc
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23:01<brianwillis1984>how do i get around my username and password i guess i forgot it when i was setting it up....or must of not typed it in right
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23:11<abrotman>login as root, and look and then change the password
23:12<bob__>so, theres this alpha for flash 10 for amd64 systems, but i cant get iceweasle to pick it up. any suggestions?
23:13<abrotman>download it yourself and put it where it belongs
23:13<bob__>where does it belong though
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23:13<bob__>it won't pick up in totem, and it wont pick up in .mozilla/plugins
23:13<aetheria_>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (i think)
23:14<aetheria_>also make sure you uninstall the existing one
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23:14<bob__>well damn
23:15<bob__>how did i miss that?
23:16<abrotman>your eyes were closed!
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23:18<brianwillis1984>no shit
23:18<bob__>no such luck
23:20<bob__> will not pick up in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /iceweasel/plugins or /lib64/iceweasel/plugins
23:22<abrotman>update-alternatives --config
23:22<abrotman>you might have to register it also
23:22<abrotman>or are you on etch ?
23:22<abrotman>no workie
23:22<abrotman>it requires a newer library of some sort, which etch doesn't have
23:23<brianwillis1984>hey im at the welcome screen where i have to type in the username and password
23:23<brianwillis1984>how can i get around taht
23:23<goodger>brianwillis1984: you type in the username and password
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23:23<goodger>other options include restarting, halting, hibernating or suspending the computer
23:23<brianwillis1984>aparently i forgot the username and password
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23:24<goodger>in that case, you will need your root password --- hit ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root, and type "pword *username*"
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23:25<tmg1>the plot thickens...
23:25<goodger>hello tmg1
23:25<tmg1>called my isp, they were indeed restricting icmp traffic(made sense, a friend of mine on my block had no such problems...only pinging me didn't work)
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23:25<tmg1>apparently there was "viruslike activity" on my ip address/modem/whatever
23:26<tmg1>which is interesting, since this is only the day after my main debian box became unusable, with common applications such as 'ls' and 'rm' segfaulting
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23:26<goodger>rootkit FTL
23:27<tmg1>no kidding
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23:30<tmg1>I wonder what that is
23:31<jsc>can someone help a total noob out with some basic network stuff?
23:33<newsense>i usually dont ask the same thing in more than one channel but i installed apt-listchanges and it hasnt mentioned a thing about any changes and ive updated more than 10 packages since ive installed it
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23:37<tmg1>well what the hell
23:37<tmg1>i think it just might have been one
23:37<tmg1>the box I'm on right now is sending out requests to that IP at random!!!
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23:39<goodger>tmg1: perhaps you should stop it from doing that?
23:39<goodger>and then install and run debsums and reinstall offending packages
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23:40<tmg1>goodger: uhm
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23:41<newsense>tmg1, got any integrity checkers ?
23:42<tmg1>getting debsums
23:42<newsense>debsums tripwire anything ?
23:43<goodger>see, when you went "uhm", I assumed you were going to sarcastically supply me with the reason my suggestion was incredibly stupid
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23:43<goodger>oh no! what will we do without gravity?
23:43*goodger is ejected from earth orbit
23:45<tmg1>goodger: good suggestion
23:45<goodger>thank you
23:45<tmg1>i'm still looking as far as how to do that
23:45<tmg1>without, you know, yanking the network cable from the modem(which is being filtered out the wazoo anyway)
23:46<tmg1>although I could do that
23:46<tmg1>i'm in shock
23:46<goodger>suggest you do that as soon as debsums downloads
23:46<tmg1>I'm going to be eating humble pie to my windows friends methinks
23:46<goodger>their OS is pretty much jammed to the hilt in viruses
23:46<newsense>yeah true
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23:47<goodger>it's almost impossible, for instance, to prevent a freshly installed windows box from getting a worm unless you install antiviral software and a firewall before even plugging in the network cable
23:47<snogglethorpe>and any remaining cpu capacity completely consumed by poorly designed anti-virus software
23:47<goodger>that too.
23:48<snogglethorpe>there's a windows machine at work with like 384mb of ram, runs xp... it takes a good 10 minutes just to login and get a menu!
23:48<snogglethorpe>wtf the damn thing is doing i have no idea, but given the environment, it's probably spyware free at least
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23:49<tmg1>i system *has* been sluggish lately
23:49<goodger>I ran an experimental virus check on a win98 machine at school in 2005...
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23:49<snogglethorpe>i suspect that maybe the corporate-mandated anti-virus software completely scans the disk everytime you login or something
23:49<goodger>between worms and spyware there were about 250 pieces of malwar on the system
23:50<snogglethorpe>but it's just ludicrously horrible
23:53<goodger>my system load is 5.3
23:53<k1lumin4t1>I'm using Hi. I'm using Debian Testing with backported ( KDE 4.1 and when I try to eject an IPOD or any external storage system through Dolphin or KDE's widget it won't do it propperly. I have then to do it manually through cli eject
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