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00:03<binarymu1ant>does anyone know an alternative to dzen2?
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00:30<brianwillis1984>hey everyone i back
00:31<brianwillis1984>now to figure out how to get the drivers for wg511v2 im on the desktop could anyone help me from there
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00:34<brianwillis1984>could anyone help
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00:35<tmg1|riemann>brianwillis1984: still soundcard problems?
00:36<brianwillis1984>never had soundcard problems
00:36<brianwillis1984>need to learn on how to install my wireless card drivers
00:36<brianwillis1984>i have the cd for it
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00:38<newsense>brianwillis1984, what chipset ?
00:39<brianwillis1984>im still learning so what is chipset
00:40<newsense>type lspci into a console or terminal
00:41<newsense>look for anything related to 802.11 or wireless
00:42<brianwillis1984>nothing wireless
00:43<newsense>what ya got for network adapters ?
00:43<newsense>err network controller
00:44<brianwillis1984>when i was installing debian i was fighting with it cause it didnt want to take my cards so i just skipped it
00:44<newsense>brianwillis1984, doesnt matter
00:44<brianwillis1984>but its telling me that the ethernet controller: realtek semiconductor
00:45<brianwillis1984>newsense: just tell me where to look and i will tell u what i got
00:45<newsense>lspci shows connected hardware weather it has a driver loaded or not
00:45<newsense>brianwillis1984, lspci |grep Network
00:46<brianwillis1984>nothing when i typed it in
00:47<brianwillis1984>dont i have to be in root when i type that
00:48<newsense>might be listed as something else lik ethernet or wireless controller just run lspci like i suggested originally
00:48<newsense>brianwillis1984, on a default install no
00:48<newsense>unless youve set it up otherwise
00:49<brianwillis1984>like i said all i see is ethernet controller :realtek semiconductor co. ltd. rtl - 8139/8139c/9139
00:49<brianwillis1984>i meant at the last is 8139
00:50<newsense>thats not it
00:50<newsense>brianwillis1984, what type of adapter is this ?
00:50<newsense>pci usb pcmcia ?
00:50<brianwillis1984>the card im using well trying to use is pcmcia
00:50<tmg1|riemann>8139 is your non-wireless network card
00:51<tmg1|riemann>lspcmcia then
00:51<tmg1|riemann>instead of lspci
00:51<brianwillis1984>command not found
00:52<newsense>just put it in and run dmesg
00:52<brianwillis1984>i have a wired and wireless card but prefer to use the wireless
00:53<brianwillis1984>when i type lspcmcia command it tells me coomand not found
00:53<newsense><newsense> just put it in and run dmesg
00:53<brianwillis1984>all its saying is touchpad
00:54<newsense>did ya take the card out put it back in and run dmesg ?
00:54<brianwillis1984>ill try it again with in and out
00:54<newsense>or scroll up till ya find it easier that wya
00:54<newsense>by easier i mean replugging
00:57<brianwillis1984>newsense: what am i looking for
00:57<newsense>the chipset really and the manufacturer
00:57<newsense>you can paste if you want
00:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
01:01<newsense>got pcmcia enabled in bios and got pcmcia modules loaded ?
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01:01<brianwillis1984>yea in the bios it is
01:01<tmg1|riemann>the virus gets rid of the coreutils debsum so debsum can't check it
01:01<tmg1|riemann>or something
01:02<newsense>lsmod and look for pcmcia
01:02<newsense>tmg1|riemann, yeah if your system has been compromised youre hopeless unless the info was on non writable media
01:02<newsense>tmg1|riemann, i use tripwire and i keep the database on a write protected sd card
01:03<newsense>if my sys is compromised ill know exactly what was changed
01:03<tmg1|riemann>that sounds a little extreme
01:03<tmg1|riemann>but maybe necessary
01:03<newsense>i disconnect from the network and set the card to rw when i update the db just to be extra safe
01:03<brianwillis1984>newsense: yea i found pcmcia
01:03<tmg1|riemann>I think I'm going to have nightmares about the unwashed masses of ubuntu users and how they are going to deal with this
01:03<tmg1|riemann>if it spreads
01:04<newsense>yeah im a little paranoid i have all types of security applications and custom permissions etc.
01:04<tmg1|riemann>newsense: nothing wrong with that
01:04<newsense>not at all
01:04<tmg1|riemann>like first thing this week at work I'm going to recommend exactly that to my boss
01:04<newsense>yeah i would
01:04<tmg1|riemann>we still have 780 or so linux servers to ship on this project/800: we can be compromised by something like this yet
01:05<newsense>brianwillis1984, if smesg isnt picking it up theres a bigger problem here
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01:06<newsense>brianwillis1984, you ever use a pcmcia card in this laptop ?
01:06<brianwillis1984>and the card is brand new
01:07<newsense>got another pcmcia card laying around to test the port ?
01:07<newsense>err slot
01:07<brianwillis1984>s/smesg/dmesg no such file or directory
01:07<brianwillis1984>i have a wireless and wired hard
01:07<newsense>brianwillis1984, pop that one in and run dmesg afterwards
01:08<newsense>see if ya get any information pertaining to it
01:08<brianwillis1984>i see the same thing as the other
01:09<brianwillis1984>no IPv6 routers present
01:09<brianwillis1984>this has 2slots so i can have both plugged in at the same time
01:09<newsense>have you tried both slots ?
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01:10<brianwillis1984>let me plugg both of them in together
01:10<newsense>brianwillis1984, after run dmesg again
01:10<brianwillis1984>one of them has to work
01:10<k1lumin4t1>any Ideas on why a LCD screen is all tremulous?
01:10<k1lumin4t1>Using Debian Testing, with Xorg 7.3 and ATI fglrx drivers
01:11<brianwillis1984>no IPv6 routers present
01:11<tmg1|riemann>yep, chkrootkit confirms packet sniffer.
01:11<newsense>brianwillis1984, what about above that nothing related, i mean is that the last line
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01:12<newsense>i use that and rkhunter as well
01:12<newsense>and snort and tripwire and
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01:13<brianwillis1984>hold on a min im in the synaptic package manager
01:13<brianwillis1984>trying something out
01:14<newsense>brianwillis1984, if your adapter isnt showing up in dmesg synaptic aint gonna help much
01:15<newsense>thats like saying my car has no engine let me check how much gas it has
01:15<brianwillis1984>but the last line on the dmesg is about my touchpad
01:15<newsense>i was going to suggest unloading and reloading the pcmcia modules
01:15<brianwillis1984>are u thinking that the pcmcia slots are messed up?
01:16<newsense>im not going to say that but it seems like the cards are not being recognized as being inserted unless udev isnt loading the module or something
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01:19<newsense>brianwillis1984, might want to try rebooting with the card in or maybe unloading the pcmcia modules perhaps
01:19<newsense>than reload them
01:21<tmg1|riemann>also what drivers are you trying to use? Default ones? or ones from the manufacturer?
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01:22<newsense>think he rebooted
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02:18<Villarroel>noscript stop working the same after update in lenny, now clicking on placeholder does nothing? It's just me?
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02:21<Villarroel>I have just noticed that debian package of noscript is very outdated.
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02:22<Villarroel>Well, I will compile the version from sid, and see what happens.
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02:33<Villarroel>Nothing. I have tried with a fresh profile and is not solved.
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02:42<Janson>wo kann ich Debian 2.6.26 downloaden?
02:42<Janson>Ich finde bei nichts
02:42<Janson>nur die alten versionen*
02:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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02:52<leanne>Any idea how far off a port of ZFS is in debian?
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03:20<cydork>leanne, not going to happen unless ZFS goes GPL.
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03:26<gpb>well, there *is* a fuse implementation on the way, cydork....
03:27<cydork>gpb, yeah i know about it.. but it's not production ready yet AFAIK
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03:29<snogglethorpe>i suppose once other fses start supporting lots of zfs features, sun may turn around and gpl it
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03:30<INSPIRA>need info about embedding debian, where ?
03:31<INSPIRA>nobody here ?
03:33<leanne>cydork: Looks to be a kick ass file system
03:33<leanne>the ultimate really
03:33<snogglethorpe>certainly has tons of hype
03:34<snogglethorpe>but it's very unlikely that it's "the ultimate"
03:34<cydork>leanne, Or you can try for btrfs.. the 2.6.29 should have experimental support for it
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03:34<INSPIRA>baizhiwei, hello
03:35<leanne>No longer have to do RAID, does it all for you
03:37<leanne>hmm... Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review
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03:37<leanne>Not much good for a virtual server setup yet then
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03:39<INSPIRA>why nobody responds to me ? Am I invisible ?
03:39<leanne>inspira: tried google?
03:41<INSPIRA>leanne, yes, but it gets me very confused, I cannot find a guided resource. My mind is bloated of info and I hoped someone here could help me to start in the correct way
03:43<leanne>inspira: There may not be anyone awake on the channel yet that can help you.
03:43<leanne>inspira: I know how you feel though
03:43<INSPIRA>leanne, :-) this is confortable
03:44<stew>INSPIRA: try #emdebian
03:44<leanne>inspira: what exactly were you looking for?
03:45<leanne>inspira: looked here?
03:45<INSPIRA>leanne, I want to reuse a thin client that has 32 MB flash creating an embedded version to install few packages in particular a web server
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03:46<INSPIRA>leanne, Yes, I've started from there but I also woul like to have someone to speak to
03:46<INSPIRA>leanne, I'm also wating for an ordered book on the amazon site
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03:48<leanne>inspira: I have a friend that is knowledgeable on the topic... just waiting for an answer from him now... not sure if he's awake though... Did you try #emdebian ?
03:49<INSPIRA>leanne, yes, I'm joned on the channel but maybe they're sleeping now
03:49<leanne>inspira: stay patient... help will come
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03:49<INSPIRA>leanne, ok, thank you, I've no doubt
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04:05<ecs>wow debian server
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04:14<EmleyMoor>Is there a way from Gnome to set up my laptop to access my wireless network? If so I'd like to try it before heading for the old way
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04:26<adama>EmleyMoor: nm-applet
04:29<EmleyMoor>adama: No support for wpa in that - that seems to be my first obstacle
04:30<adama>EmleyMoor: I'm typing this over WPA encryption
04:30<EmleyMoor>How did you do it?
04:31<EmleyMoor>(I can't see how it can be done)
04:32<adama>well I set my router to use WPA, then clicked on the nm-applet, chose my ssid, it autodetected that it was WPA Personal, I typed my passphrase and here I am
04:32<EmleyMoor>How did you choose it? I am not being offered any
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04:34<adama>you click the applet but no ESSIDs show up?
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04:35<adama>I'd suppose a problem with your wireless card driver... what is the chipset? (lspci)
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04:35<EmleyMoor>ipw2100 - firmware is there
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04:37<Lethalman>if NM has wireless networks then his card works correctly, maybe the signal is weak
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04:37<EmleyMoor>iwlist eth2 scan shows me 4
04:37<EmleyMoor>NM shows me 0
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04:52<aetheria>why is it when i am transferring data between 2 external USB 2.0 drives the rate is only around 950kB/s ?
04:53<aetheria>i thought USB 2.0 is supposed to be 4000000kB/s ???
04:54<fxiny>usb ZURGS :P
04:55<matth>poor write disk performances, one or both of the port are only 1.1
04:57<snogglethorpe>usb seems to be kind of a mess in practice, whatever numbers plastered on the outside of the box
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05:01<petern>4000000KB/s? haha
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05:11<aetheria>switched to another box and am still getting only crappy 1MB/s
05:11<aetheria>either someone should be sued for false marketing or there is something severely wrong
05:11<aetheria>1 != 400
05:12<EmleyMoor>Recovered my old wpa_supplicant roaming config - still works
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05:13<aetheria>how long is it going to take to copy 133GB over?
05:13<petern>never mind that 480 Mbits/s gives you 60 Mbytes/s max, and there is protocol overhead
05:14<petern>but 1 MB/s does sound like not USB 2
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05:14<aetheria>petern: i switched to a completely different box
05:14<aetheria>both of them have USB 2.0
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05:15<aetheria>rsync -a --progress /drive1/dir/ /drive2/dir/ is the operation
05:15<petern>although, USB 2 does not necessarily mean hi-speed
05:16<EmleyMoor>Just under 3 seconds after boot I see the 8139cp module advising I should be using 8139too... what do I configure to tell the system so?
05:17<aetheria>dmesg |grep -i ehci shows the USB 2.0 support being initialized
05:17<EmleyMoor>(not that I am bothered as (a) it works and (b) I prefer wireless)
05:17<aetheria>i also see "new high speed device registered at ..." in dmesg for each drive
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05:18<aetheria>EmleyMoor: you would blacklist the one
05:18<aetheria>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist for the 8139cp
05:18<aetheria>udev should be smart and know to load the too
05:18<EmleyMoor>Capable of high speed does not necessarily mean high speed will be achieved
05:19<aetheria>EmleyMoor: as I have found out :-(
05:19<Valtiel-ASD>how can i reset tu default settings or upgrade firmware of huawei S3928TP-SI if i don't know login and password and network settings ?
05:19<fxiny>aetheria: are you rsyncing large files ?
05:19<aetheria>fxiny: yes
05:19<aetheria>videos mostly
05:20<fxiny>could be rsync then
05:21*aetheria sighs
05:23<EmleyMoor>aetheria: Blacklisting ineffective
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05:30<codeblue>hey guys how do I enable read/write to /dev/tcp/$host/$port ?
05:30<fmb>a source bash
05:30<fmb>a build-dep bash
05:31<fmb>and edit debian/rules to include --enable-socket or something
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05:31<codeblue>thats complicated, i was hopeing I could just include something in the script
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05:32<fmb>its not compiled in, thats what im|w as saying
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05:39<maxb>You might as well just use netcat instead
05:40<aetheria>EmleyMoor: if its blacklisted the module should not load
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05:41<enouf>EmleyMoor: install debian
05:41<enouf>(known *buntu issue)
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05:42<enouf>otherwise /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs (if i presumed incorrectly, but i haven't)
05:44<aetheria>so i searched google for rsync slow "usb 2" and am finding a lot of stuff
05:46<aetheria>so maybe just a regular cp would be in order
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06:21<fmb>was isch
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07:11<BattleStarJesus>i am having trouble configuring proper resolution with NVIDIA driver version 173. I only have two resolutions to choose from. How do I enable more resolutions?
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07:17<skyborg007>BattleStarJesus, Have a look at the System->NvidiaXServersettings menu option
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07:55<dpkg>methinks python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see, or #python
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08:04<viki44>can sombody help me, I tried to install xubuntu and problem appieled I couldnt connect to Wireless network
08:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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08:34<sim_sim>bonjour, je viens d installer debian, je viens d installer wireless-tools, pour essayer de faire marcher mon wifi. Maintenant je n arrivepas a faire wlan0 scanning, car le network is down. Mais je n arrive pas a faire un ifconfig wlan0 up. Quelqu un aurait il une idée ?
08:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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08:35<sim_sim>sorry.. i forgot to switch to the fra channel
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08:48<djcip>ok - i just added a pci wireless card to my desktop computer - but debian doesn't see it - what should i do to get it working ?
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08:49<abrotman>does lspci see it?
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08:53<abrotman>djcip: and it says what about it? and which version of debian ?
08:53<djcip>04:02.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
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08:53<djcip>and x64 test is the cd i used to install
08:54<djcip>seems to me i just need the software to manage the card?
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08:54<djcip>the driver is already installed and being used?
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08:55<abrotman>djcip: it's a netgear ?
08:55<djcip>no some cheapo
08:55<abrotman>djcip: it appears you'll need to use ndiswrapper
08:56<djcip>how do i go about that beast?
08:56<abrotman>djcip: oh wait
08:56<djcip>i thought if lspci sees the card that now all i need is software to manage the card
08:57<abrotman>djcip: uname -a .. what's your kernel ?
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08:57<abrotman>djcip: what's the line from lspci -nn ?
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08:58<djcip>you have it - its that line from earlier
08:59<abrotman>not -nn
09:00<jstein>what is the debian way to compile and install a kernel? i ve read that a lot has changed in the past and i should use things like fakeroot make-kpkg --revision and so. Has someone a nice link with all modern steps of building a kernel in debian testing?
09:00<djcip>04:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless [11ab:1faa] (rev 03)
09:00<djcip>wow copy paste was being dumb
09:00<abrotman>i was going to say .. still not -nn
09:01<abrotman>oh .. it still isn't
09:01<abrotman>!tell jstein about kp
09:01<djcip>i ran lspci -nn
09:01<abrotman>!tell jstein about kp mantra
09:01<abrotman>djcip: it should have numbers on the end
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09:01<abrotman>02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset [1260:3873] (rev 01)
09:01<abrotman>oh .. jeez .. i see it
09:01*abrotman really needs to put eyeballs in
09:02<djcip>and i thought i was bad on 1 hour of sleep lol
09:02<jstein>abrotman, looks if you are well prepared for my question ;-) thx.
09:02<djcip>[take that the right way - i really appreciate you helping me - like seriously]
09:02<abrotman>jstein: if that works for you :)
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09:02<abrotman>djcip: it seems that the .26 kernel in lenny doesn't know about your device
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09:03<abrotman>!tell djcip about ndiswrapper one-liner
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09:04<djcip>ok - where should i get that inf file ?
09:04<abrotman>seems like it should work ...
09:04<abrotman>oh .. jeebus ..
09:04<abrotman>djcip: aptitude install libertas-firmware
09:05*abrotman thinkgs he lost him
09:06<gsimmons>abrotman: Uh, that's for SDIO hardware. There's talk of 88w8385 PCI support for the mwl8k driver someday.
09:06<abrotman>gsimmons: where were you 10 minutes ago :)
09:06<gsimmons>Here? :)
09:06<abrotman>gsimmons: so he doesn't need ndswrapper ?
09:06<gsimmons>Oh, he does require NDISwrapper for that chipset. There's no other option at the moment.
09:07<abrotman>djcip: see .. this is why we keep gsimmons around .. he's apparently got every wifi chipset sitting around his house :)
09:07<djcip>walk me through this - cuz yah i'm lost
09:07<abrotman>djcip: so the bot told you about thendiswrapper one-liner ..
09:07<djcip>really sorry to be the n00b
09:08<djcip>so i'm running the stuff in quotes
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09:09<djcip>sooo yups - ran that
09:09<djcip>now i have ndiswrapper
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09:11<djcip>ok - and this gets back to my orginial question - where am i going to get that .inf file ?
09:12<abrotman>download the windows driver from the website ?
09:12<djcip>cuz ur libertas-firmware package doesn't exist
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09:12<djcip>kk - didn't think of that
09:12<abrotman>that's okay .. gsimmons informed me i'm crazy and that package won't work for you
09:13<djcip>okey dokey
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09:17<djcip>ok - so ndiswrapper -l shows the driver installed and device present... now what?
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09:25<djcip>abrotman, ok - now what the driver is loaded and card is recognized by ndis - but i still dont see it on my network choices
09:25<djcip>like in the desktop gui - the little computer drop down next to the clock - only lists my wired connection
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09:30<djcip>did we all die?
09:30<djcip>where did people go?
09:30<djcip>abrotman ?
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09:37<snogglethorpe>if they're lucky, they are (1) involved in a fascinating conversation, and can't be bothered to check irc, or (2) passed out in an alcoholic daze
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09:38<snogglethorpe>sadly, i find myself in position (3) typing random blather on an irc channel
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09:39<metalqga>aptitude install beer ..... aptitude says "You are falling-down drunk. Go away!"
09:39<snogglethorpe>that's only one beer!
09:40<metalqga>try another repo (bar) :D
09:41<snogglethorpe>i suppose it forces one to try different types of beer
09:41<megaf>hi all, how to reconfigure X? is dpk-reconfigure what?
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09:41<snogglethorpe>megaf: that will work i think, but why not just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
09:42<matth>megaf: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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09:43<megaf>well, id like just to change driver and resoolution
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09:43<metalqga>snogglethorpe have you seen lenny's xorg.conf?
09:44<snogglethorpe>metalqga: seems extremely minimal
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09:44<snogglethorpe>metalqga: so nice and easy to add stuff
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09:44<snogglethorpe>(well so far i've only needed to tweak the keyboard, and the video driver loaded)
09:44<metalqga>snogglethorpe I prefer the one that had it all, and simplly changing the values
09:44<megaf>id like to configure Xorg to work into virtualbox
09:45<megaf>with auto resize
09:45<snogglethorpe>metalqga: well you can always set everything explicitly if you want
09:45<snogglethorpe>does X really support that kind of thing?
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09:47<abrotman>djcip: ?
09:47<megaf>i give up of debian
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09:47<megaf>auto resize just doesnt work
09:48<djcip>ndis is working
09:48<megaf>on mandriva everything works out of the box
09:48<djcip>but yah - in network utils and ifconfig - they still dont see the card
09:48<djcip>no wifi0
09:48<metalqga>go use mandrake then
09:48<megaf>im using
09:48<megaf>is my vbox host
09:48<abrotman>megaf: which version of debian ?
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09:49<abrotman>wait .. host? server? X ?
09:49<megaf>abrotman: im trying debian 4 r6
09:49<megaf>running under vbox
09:49<abrotman>and you want to do what?
09:49<megaf>i did a netinstall
09:50<abrotman>djcip: did you read the wiki thingie about ndiswrapper ?
09:50<megaf>i just want to get the X working properly
09:50<abrotman>megaf: how did you install ?
09:50<megaf>with auto resizing
09:50<abrotman>bah .. how did you install X :)
09:50<megaf>apt-get install xfce4 xorg
09:51<abrotman>and what about X doesn't work ?
09:51<megaf>was working pretty well, before install vbox guest additions...\
09:51<abrotman>and you should really be using aptitude
09:51<abrotman>oh .. so vbox broke it ?
09:51<megaf>i guess
09:51<abrotman>and if you uninstall the vbox stuff ?
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09:52<megaf>abrotman: if i use vesa module, ok, no problem
09:52<megaf>works fine
09:52<abrotman>oh, so what's the issue then ?
09:53<megaf>but without auto resizing
09:53<megaf>sou, i should use vboxvideos instead vesa to get auto resizing
09:53<abrotman>auto resizing of what?
09:53<megaf>of screen, resolution
09:53<megaf>if i got to full screen for examploe..
09:53<abrotman>ah ok
09:54<megaf>i guess is a bug or some incompatibility with vboxvideo module and Debian
09:55<abrotman>is there anything useful in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
09:55<megaf>one second, im starting up xfce4 in there
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09:57<abrotman>that was fast
09:57<djcip>abrotman, ok so looking at that wiki
09:57<djcip>it said to us iwconfig
09:57<djcip>the only problem is that iwconfig doesn't list my device
09:58<Megaf>bash: less: command not found
09:58<abrotman>you'd have to install less .. use more for now
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09:59<Megaf>abrotman, no errors at all
10:00<abrotman>djcip: did you restart the box at all ? I don't use ndiswrapper, not truly sure of the steps needed
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10:00<abrotman>Megaf: so it works?
10:00<djcip>abrotman, i did restart the box
10:00<abrotman>djcip: paste the /var/log/dmesg in a pastebin
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10:02<mihkel>Hi, when I type aptitude show linux-image <tab><tab>, I see
10:03<mihkel>There are some old kernels and some kernels I have compiled in past
10:03<mihkel>They all should be purged by now
10:03<mihkel>Why I still see them?
10:03<abrotman>mihkel: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image*
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10:05<abrotman>djcip: might help if you got the 64bit windows driver :)
10:05<djcip>whoa weird
10:05<djcip>just saw that lol
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10:05<djcip>where the heck can i get that?
10:05<abrotman>[ 7.816182] ndiswrapper (check_nt_hdr:150): kernel is 64-bit, but Windows driver is not 64-bit;bad magic: 010B
10:05<abrotman>[ 7.816220] ndiswrapper (load_sys_files:206): couldn't prepare driver 'mrv8000c'
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10:05<abrotman>stupid linebreaks
10:05<abrotman>djcip: i assume the website again
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10:06<mihkel>abrotman, then I see them too
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10:06<abrotman>mihkel: only the ii ones are installed .. but the package database still knows about the old ones
10:07<dpkg>i guess purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
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10:07<abrotman>they're all purged too it looks like
10:07<mihkel>That I know. I don't have them installed
10:07<mihkel>the question is
10:07<valdyn>that dpkg -P step is not required with aptitude purge
10:07<mihkel>why tab completion still see them
10:07<abrotman>they're already purged .. he wants to know why the package manager still knows about them
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10:07<Golfgeo>Hi all
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10:08<abrotman>mihkel: dpkg --forget-old-unavail .. then use the dpkg -l command again
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10:10<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
10:10<Golfgeo>Got a general question: What type of research in IT looks at the development of methods for implementing solutions for unknown problems? (company want's to do something new and has no clue as to what is involved, so the research should be both theoretical and problemsolving)...
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10:10<djcip>the website doesn't have any
10:10<djcip>but i'll keep looking
10:10<lancelot_of>is there any way to kill a zombie process?
10:10<djcip>wish there was away to force it to use 32-bit drivers
10:10<abrotman>djcip: URL ?
10:10<abrotman>lancelot_of: try to kill the parent
10:11<mihkel>abrotman, no change
10:11<abrotman>linkskey ?
10:11<lancelot_of>abrotman, it's impossible 'cause it's my de
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10:11<abrotman>lancelot_of: then ignore it
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10:12<mihkel>Actually it did remove some
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10:12<lancelot_of>abrotman, i know here support is devoted to debian software
10:12<abrotman>yes, and ?
10:12<mihkel>but some are still there. Like linux-image-2.6.28-rc7autoconf-00167-g24920a and linux-image-2.6.29-rc1
10:12<lancelot_of>abrotman, but i can't ignore that process 'cause i need it (skype)
10:12<dpkg>A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
10:14<abrotman>djcip: that website needs some pushing
10:15<abrotman>holy slow
10:15<djcip>found a vista x64 driver that might do
10:15<djcip>i'll keep you posted
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10:15<lancelot_of>is there any debian user here using skype?i know it's not a debian software so i'm sorry from now on for the question
10:16<grochap>lancelot_of, yes, I use it!
10:17<valdyn>lancelot_of: just start a new instance of that zombie
10:17<lancelot_of>grochap, thanks for your answer
10:17<valdyn>lancelot_of: maybe it failed due to sound settings, i know that skype is crappy software in that regard
10:18<lancelot_of>valdyn, crashes continuously after 10 minutes of conversation locking video and sound
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10:18<valdyn>lancelot_of: you can ignore the fact that its zombiefieing, thats not the problem
10:18<valdyn>lancelot_of: but change sound settings
10:19<verxion>good morning folks
10:19<abrotman>djcip: any better?
10:19<valdyn>lancelot_of: in skype
10:19<lancelot_of>valdyn, what do you mean by changin sound settings?
10:19<lancelot_of>what exactly
10:19<valdyn>lancelot_of: make it use alsa hw devices
10:19<lancelot_of>valdyn, it does
10:19<valdyn>lancelot_of: sound settings inside skype
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10:20<valdyn>lancelot_of: which skype are you using? ( theres one for oss and one for alsa )
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10:20<abrotman>Golfgeo: it's not really on topic for this channel ..
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10:20<verxion>I just moved houses, stayed with the same internet provider, and can no longer get my debian gateway onto the internet... If I plug in a windows laptop, it connects fine. The issue seems to be that dhclient is failing to discover anything. Ideas?
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10:21<Golfgeo>abrotman: I know, yet is a IT related problem... So where to ask is then the question...
10:21<abrotman>Golfgeo: but i odn't know of a better place to ask unfortunately
10:21<valdyn>lancelot_of: is it possibly competing for with some other program that is trying to output sound?
10:21<lancelot_of>valdyn, i'm using skype debian package version
10:21<abrotman>Golfgeo: ask slashdot? :)
10:21<djcip>well that driver failed
10:21<lancelot_of>valdyn, no, it's the only program using sound and video
10:21<Golfgeo>abrotman: lol, also my conclussion...
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10:22<valdyn>lancelot_of: its easy to see if its using alsa or oss in its sound settings
10:22<Golfgeo>Well, not the slashdot, but to ask the question here....
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10:23<djcip>yup didn't like that one either
10:23<lancelot_of>valdyn, there's no alsa or oss specification in skype settings...
10:23<Golfgeo>I know the procedure for building an infrastructure well, yet those methodologies are based on predefined parameters, not on open questions...
10:24<abrotman>djcip: same error ?
10:24*Golfgeo shoots himself in the.... foot!
10:24<djcip>no - new one
10:24<valdyn>lancelot_of: yes, indeed, but devices for oss and alsa are named in completely different ways
10:24<djcip>its like vista drivers are coded differently
10:24<djcip>i can pastebin
10:24<lancelot_of>valdyn, ah i have to set the to hx instead of default?
10:25<valdyn>lancelot_of: you really meant hw ?
10:25<lancelot_of>valdyn, yes...i see three voices in audio devices: default, hw and plughw
10:26<valdyn>lancelot_of: use hw, default probably is dmix, which is problematic with skype
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10:26<lancelot_of>valdyn, there any other trick for video?
10:26<valdyn>lancelot_of: i dont know about any issues with video
10:26<lancelot_of>valdyn, ok i'm trying
10:27<abrotman>djcip: holy crap is that an unhappy driver
10:27<verxion>ok... Does anyone here know much about dhclient? Maybe there is some better way I could run it to get it to actually talk to my ISP
10:27<lancelot_of>valdyn, i can't open another skype, 'cause there's the prwvious istance zombieing...
10:28<lancelot_of>that's the trouble i touched before....
10:28<valdyn>lancelot_of: have you tried kill -9 ?
10:28<lancelot_of>valdyn, it's a zombie kill -9 istance could work
10:28<lancelot_of>valdyn, only reboot
10:28<Golfgeo>Worked around the problem in the planning by stating the problem of choice... :-P
10:28<valdyn>lancelot_of: nah
10:28<lancelot_of>valdyn, not reboot but forced shutdown
10:28<valdyn>lancelot_of: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload
10:29<Golfgeo>Thanks guy's :-)
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10:29<djcip>abrotman, yah - maybe if another company used the same chipset they might have drivers for 64-bit
10:29<abrotman>djcip: you're going to have to google around a bit
10:29<abrotman>djcip: are you using full 64bit debian? or just a 64bit kernel?
10:30<djcip>well.. i used the amd64 installer - so i presume full
10:30<gsimmons>djcip: NDISwrapper uses _XP_ drivers, NDIS 6 (Vista) isn't implemented. For your information, the Netgear WG311v3 also uses the same chipset.
10:30<djcip>gsimmons, i dont know how you know that but thank you
10:30<lancelot_of>valdyn, shutting down alsa istaking too much time
10:31<lancelot_of>and however the camera led is still on (locked by the zombie i suppose)
10:31<abrotman>djcip: i told you .. he has them all!
10:31<valdyn>lancelot_of: thats where skype is stuck, in the alsa drivers
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10:31<valdyn>lancelot_of: rebooting is easy enough then
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10:32<djcip>their driver package comes only as .exe
10:32<abrotman>djcip: try to use unzip
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10:33<djcip>i did - its yelled back at me
10:33<djcip>end-of-central-directory signature not found
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10:33<valdyn>djcip: cabextract
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10:35<djcip>says no cabinates found..
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10:40<simonkohnstamm>hey guys, im in console mode off debian, and i am looking for my usbthumbdrive that i just plugged in
10:40<verxion>Is there anyone here that can help me with dhclient on debian?
10:40<simonkohnstamm>i cant seem to find it
10:40<petemc>simonkohnstamm: look in dmesg
10:40<verxion>It can't seem to get a lease
10:40<simonkohnstamm>i tried, it doesnt get me anythinng
10:40<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: you came back!
10:40<petemc>simonkohnstamm: anything in messages or syslog
10:41<simonkohnstamm>told you i would
10:41<petemc>verxion: is the link up? look in dmesg
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10:41<verxion>petemc: yes, it has a link
10:41<simonkohnstamm>am i looking for the swap
10:41<petemc>verxion: does it work with a static address?
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10:42<verxion>petemc: "e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX"
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10:43<verxion>petemc: I haven't tried a static address, but my ISP only provides dynamic (this debian box is my gateway - it worked at my old house with the same ISP, but I just moved)
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10:45<abrotman>maybe they didn't turn it on yet?
10:45<simonkohnstamm>petemc: it says usb-storagef: device found at 3
10:45<simonkohnstamm>waiting for device to settle before scanning
10:45<simonkohnstamm>then it says the vendor stuff
10:46<simonkohnstamm>then scsi device sda:... stuff
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10:46<mihkel>simonkohnstamm, type mount
10:46<simonkohnstamm>ok i see something at /dev/hda3
10:46<simonkohnstamm>but it wont let me open that
10:47<verxion>abrotman: if I plug a windows laptop into the same cablemodem, it comes up perfect
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10:47<simonkohnstamm>like it wont let me zCD to it
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10:47<abrotman>verxion: okay
10:47<mihkel>simonkohnstamm, cd to mount point
10:47<simonkohnstamm>and then what
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10:48<simonkohnstamm>ok wait
10:48<simonkohnstamm>i went to /proc/bus/usb
10:48<simonkohnstamm>and now i see 001 and devices
10:49<lancelot_of>valdyn, it seems to work correctly, thanks
10:49<Lounge>i have a question about luks
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10:50<Lounge>can we get luks to support eme and cmc cipher modes?
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10:50<lancelot_of>valdyn, the only problem i have now that audio settings (volume on pc ) are esasperated...
10:51<verxion>abrotman / petemc: any other thoughts?
10:51<simonkohnstamm>mikhel: any ideas?
10:52<j0s3-># alsaconf
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10:55<verxion>does anyone know where I might find some help with dhclient on debian?
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11:03<lancelot_of>valdyn, still in trouble with skype
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11:06<lancelot_of>before your suggestion skype crashed in this way: the person i was talking with continued hearing me but i wasn't able to listen to her and the sound device and webcam were locked so i had to force shutdown to reboot system. After your suggestion i changed default to hw in skype audio device settings, ate the voice "audio input, audio output and default ring" but now skype crashes in a similar way: now i continue to hear the person i'm talking with b
11:06<lancelot_of>ut she can't listen to anything by me...please help
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11:08<lancelot_of>or anyone using skype on debian please help me ;)
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11:11<jstein>on since i compiled a new 2.6.28 kernel claims it could not find kernel sources. Is there a known bug in debian with that? I ve heared rumors about banning closed source drivers...
11:11<verxion>lancelot_of: I think all the smart peeps are asleep
11:11<lancelot_of>verxion, sorry...i can't understandd you
11:11<lancelot_of>what do you mean?
11:12<wizL>that people r sleeping right now:P
11:12<verxion>lancelot_of: What I mean is, in the past, I have come here and gotten tons of help from people that knew how to help. As luck would have it, I think the people that know how to solve our problems are still asleep
11:13<verxion>this isn't anything against the folks that ARE here, they can probably help with other problems, just not the ones WE have, lol
11:13<lancelot_of>verxion, ok...
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11:15<abrotman>verxion: dhclient does do some logging .. did you look for errors?
11:16<wizL>can maybe someone help me with installing a new NIC to my debian system?
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11:16<fmb>sure wizl
11:16<abrotman>wizL: ask a question
11:17<fmb>is it already plugged ?
11:17<fmb>he did
11:17<wizL>i plugged it in
11:17<wizL>and rebooted my system
11:17<fmb>whats the lspci definition
11:18<wizL>01:05.0 Ethernet controller: Sundance Technology Inc / IC Plus Corp IC Plus IP10 00 Family Gigabit Ethernet (rev 41)
11:18<fmb>i mean the lspci command
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11:18<fmb>try as root modprobe ip1000
11:18<abrotman>wizL: did you configure it ?
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11:19<wizL>FATAL: Module ip1000 not found.
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11:19<wizL>abrotman i don't know how to.
11:19<wizL>i tryed some googling but i couldnt configure it.
11:19<abrotman>wizL: man 5 interfaces
11:20<abrotman>dmesg | grep eth .. make sure it's there first
11:20<simonrvn>er, grep -i
11:21<simonrvn>oh, unless you mean eth0, eth1, etc. then just ignore me ;)
11:21<wizL>just to mention it; this is my second nic
11:22<wizL>the first one is working ok and is listed in ifconfig.. as eth0
11:22<wizL>dmesg only lists eth0
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11:23<fmb>you may need a newer kernel, you probably do
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11:24<fmb>my .26-deb doesnt have ip1000, however its in .conf in .29-rc2
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11:25<fmb>may be another module name, checking, probably is yes
11:25<abrotman>wizL: lspci -nn
11:26<wizL>01:05.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Sundance Technology Inc / IC Plus Corp IC Plus IP1000 Family Gigabit Ethernet [13f0:1023] (rev 41)
11:26<wizL>01:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
11:26<wizL>the gigabit isn't working
11:27<wizL>fmb i've 2.6.18-6-686
11:27<fmb>sorry.. try googling for that satring and linux
11:27<fmb>should return what module to load
11:27<fmb>once u got the one, add it to /etc/modules
11:27<fmb>and its done
11:27<verxion>abrotman: ok, lemme try to find where it logs errors
11:28<abrotman>/var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog would be a good start
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11:28<abrotman>wizL: modprobe ipg ..
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11:33<verxion>abrotman: I see some messages saying link not ready
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11:38<fmb>working wizl ?
11:39<fmb>no ipg driver| module ?
11:39<fmb>hm min
11:39<abrotman>wizL: on lenny?
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11:40<fmb>.24 and .26 have ipg.ko
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11:40<abrotman>wizL: you'll need the etchnhalf kernel
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11:41<chartreuse>how can i setup my xchat systray icon in ubuntu? i have custom icons in .png
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11:41<fmb>good q, i dunno
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11:41<stew>chartreuse: please use #ubuntu on for help with ubuntu
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11:42<ssk>an idea how to unlock the kernel option CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM?
11:42<ssk>its greyed out for me via xconfig and not visible in menu etc.
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11:43<ssk>Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers is enabled but still nothing, need the dm for truecrypt 6.1+
11:43<verxion>abrotman: kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready"
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11:43<verxion>abrotman: any idea why I would get that message when I have a solid link light?
11:43<abrotman>verxion: nope
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11:43<abrotman>maybe it's eth1 you're using ?
11:43<verxion>I tried both
11:43<abrotman>do you have more than one eth ?
11:43<verxion>get the same message on both
11:44<verxion>yes, I have two
11:44<verxion>though I am only (currently) plugging a cable into one at a time
11:44<stew>ssk: hit '/' then type 'CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM' ; it should tell you what it depends on
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11:46<wizL>abrotman aha, so i just need to install the kernel ?
11:46<abrotman>just need .. yes
11:46<ssk>stew, worked ;)
11:46<abrotman>wizL: does this machine have any network ?
11:47<wizL>aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 ?
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11:48<abrotman>wizL: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf
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11:49*verxion switches distros
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11:49<blast_hardcheese>the Woody ISOs should be much easier to find
11:49<blast_hardcheese>this is ridiculous
11:49<abrotman>!cd archive
11:49<dpkg>A repository of older(unsupported) CD images can be found at
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11:49<abrotman>oh .. that only has sarge/etch
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11:50<wizL>abrotman installed. now reboot?
11:50<abrotman>wizL: yep
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12:06<linopolus>Whats the difference between the packages flashplugin and flashplugin-nonfree?
12:07<abrotman>which version of debian
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12:07<linopolus>Sid and Lenny
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12:07<linopolus>temporary siduy
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12:07<abrotman>ask #sidux
12:08<Vdub>Hey guys, I need some help with Metacity themes, and Emerald?
12:08<linopolus>IN Lenny its the same thing
12:08<abrotman>linopolus: no, it's not, lenny doesn't have either of those packages
12:08<abrotman>and sid doesn't have the former
12:08<Vdub>I have a Metacity Theme I want to use...but since I have Emerald installed, it won't let me switch to the metacity theme. can someone help?
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12:10<metalqga>!seen fxiny
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12:10<dpkg>fxiny <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 50m 42s ago, saying: 'could be rsync then'.
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12:13<Lemonzest>whats the java jvm plugin for amd64?
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12:14<adema>i'm wondering, is it possible to slow the mouse speed ?
12:14<stew>Lemonzest: on which version of debian?
12:14<adema>cause i just buy a new mouse and it is very very fast :o
12:14<Lemonzest>i tested the openjdk one and it installed a TON of fonts for odd languages
12:14<Lemonzest>stew: lenny
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12:14<glax>Hi guys, Where can I see how much memory the video card have on Lenny?
12:14<stew>Lemonzest: icedtea-gcjwebplugin
12:15<stew>oh, yes, that is the openjdk one
12:15<Lemonzest>stew: yeah thats the one i used, why's it install so much compared to the sun java ones on i386
12:15<Lemonzest>tons of fonts for indic languages for example
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12:20<simonkohnstamm>i think i have my problem solved
12:20<simonkohnstamm>thanks ffor the help
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12:25<Lemonzest>how do you get aptitude to ignore recomends?
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12:25<Lemonzest>think thats how to stop it pulling all fonts
12:25<stew>Lemonzest: with --without-recommends
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12:26<Lemonzest>(bunty repo i know but same package)
12:26<dpkg>To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true
12:26<Lemonzest>those are all the fonts it pulls, which are clearly no needed on my British english system
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12:28<abrotman>apparently they aren't the same package
12:28<Lemonzest>well similer
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12:30<paveq_>whats the status of lenny?
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12:30<themill>!topicsmite paveq
12:30<dpkg>And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon paveq. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
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12:31<erKURITA>how do I shot strick ?
12:31<paveq>uhm well
12:32<paveq>I have actually looked into that
12:32<paveq>I was just thinking if I should upgrade now, if people here consider it almost stable
12:32<abrotman>Lemonzest: are you using ubuntu or debian?
12:32<Lemonzest>--without-recommends worked fine :) no fonts
12:32<themill>Lemonzest: those recommendations for font packages seem pretty excessive. Perhaps file a wishlist bug for them to turn into "suggests" instead. /msg dpkg reportbug
12:32<Lemonzest>abrotman: debian lenny in vbox
12:32<aaa>hi i need help im using debian and i have deleted some essential paquets i want to get back the base paquets which are installed on the first installation
12:33<aaa>i tried build-essential but it says already installed
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12:33<Lemonzest>themill: yeah why does an english system need all those indic/chinese/japanese fonts
12:33<Lemonzest>surely it should only need the english ones (or only install the ones needed for the current local)
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12:34*aaa ask 8 help xD
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12:34<fxiny>i think there is something wrong with X displaying fonts in iceweasel
12:34<stew>aaa: aptitude install aptitude search '~prequired' '~pimportant' '~E'
12:35<stew>aaa: you might also want '~pstandard'
12:35<fxiny>adding the old stanza/path line like "FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"" and killing and restartying X iceweasel displays fine
12:35<stew>aaa: uhh, that should just be "aptitude install aptitude search '~prequired' '~pstandard' '~E'"
12:35<aaa>if i try with rescue lide?
12:35<stew>i did it again
12:35<fxiny>but then , removing the path line and restarting X iceweasel keeps displaying fine
12:35<stew>aaa: that should just be 'aptitude install '~prequired' '~pstandard' '~E'"
12:36<aaa>ok ty xD
12:36<fxiny>i though was the infamous ttf-msttcorefonts-installer , but is not that , i'd like noit to have such fonts anymore in my system
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12:37<verxion>ok, updating my distro (debian) seems to have fixed dhcp
12:37<fxiny>actually i'd like not to have useless reduntants fonts anymore
12:37<metalqga>I don't care which font OO suggests using
12:38<metalqga>or anywhere in the system
12:38<fxiny>i don't care about fonts in general : i live in a terminal . i use terminus for emacs and i use icewesel . so i welcome any decent fonts when browsing
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12:39<fxiny>i'm trying to downsize anytine i can
12:40<metalqga>what do you mean? (downsize?)
12:40<fxiny>but i belive firefox is to blame
12:40<fxiny>metalqga: see localepurge
12:41<verxion>my masquerading doesn't seem to be working
12:41<verxion>the odd thing is, it was working before I moved (ie, I just unplugged the server and brought it to my new house)
12:41<verxion>I wonder wtf is keeping it from working...
12:42<fxiny>metalqga: i'm building lenny from scratch so i keep an eye to fonts , locales and all that useless bunch of files
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12:42<fxiny>useless for me of course
12:42<metalqga>aha! now got clear to me!
12:43<fxiny>i'm not sure if i need again msttcorefonts for my browsing , i tend not to browse around that much
12:43<fxiny>i'm not installing ms fonts
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12:45<fxiny>metalqga: form sarge to etch i solved my fonts problems by bruteforcing cp all fonts over , i don't want to do it again
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12:46<fxiny>i'm sure i'm not using 99% of all fonts installed in etch
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12:48<metalqga>I haven't installed msfonts for a long time. Opera/FF handles all pages great.
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12:49<fxiny>OO is different , OO requires fonts
12:50<fxiny>we , users , should look at the mantainer side of packaging stuff like OO . is not a big deal if OO installs chinese fonts in an english system
12:51<fxiny>given that the averge user keeps tons of useless locales and fonts
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12:53<enouf>fxiny: !!
12:53<fxiny>enouf: !!
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12:55<simonkohnstamm>hey so i got gnome installed
12:55<simonkohnstamm>but its not recognizing my username and password combo
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12:56<simonkohnstamm>is there an initial name that i need to use to setup the other u/p that i want
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12:57<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: you did that hwne you installed
12:57<fxiny>enouf: yes ? :)
12:58<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: when you installed debian, it would have asked you for a regular username/password
12:58<simonkohnstamm>and i put that in
12:58<simonkohnstamm>its not accepting either my root nor my regular username and password
12:59<themill>simonkohnstamm: does it use characters/punctuation that would be different on different keyboard layouts?
12:59<simonkohnstamm>like punctuation ?
12:59<themill>try typing your password into the "username" box so you can see it in clear text rather than as stars. That's the easiest way to tell.
13:00<simonkohnstamm>no its working
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13:00<simonkohnstamm>not working :(
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13:02<yoyo>Hi, I use debconf-get-selection for recover configuration of cacti because i will put cacti into debianlive. Can i set up the password with just this line :
13:02<simonkohnstamm>if i have my install cd reset my passwords?
13:02<yoyo>cacti cacti/password-confirm password motdepasse
13:02<simonkohnstamm>or do i need to do a com,plete reinstall
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13:03<themill>simonkohnstamm: Ctrl+Alt+F1, login as root, passwd username, Alt+F7 to get back to the graphical login screen
13:03<wizL>abrotman fmg thanks for ur help :)
13:03<wizL>everything works now like a charm :P
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13:05<simonkohnstamm>wow, this is the most useful he,lp line ever
13:05<simonkohnstamm>you guys are great
13:05<simonkohnstamm>you should be very proud
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13:07<abrotman>!beer themill
13:07*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for themill
13:07<themill>yum ;)
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13:08<abrotman>yay yuengling!
13:08<abrotman>better than that Iron City stuff from out where simonkohnstamm is :)
13:08<fxiny>and the druid cousin ?
13:08<azeem>is it possible to change the X virtual desktop size without a restart in lenny?
13:09<stoned>azeem, xrandr may do it?
13:09<azeem>doesn't seem to
13:09<stoned>azeem, unless it is a specific directive needed in xorg.conf
13:09<azeem>GNOME seems to cope reasonably well with an external monitor and higher resolution, xrandr switches them fine
13:09<abrotman>not the virtual size
13:10<azeem>but if I move the mouse outside the screen after I switched back to the smaller LVDS, it disappears
13:12<stoned>The maximum virtual size cannot be changed once X starts so needs to be large enough to accommodate the largest combination of displays you want to hotplug without having to restart X. If it is greater than 2048x2048 and you are using an Intel 945 (or less) chip then DRI is not possible.
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13:13<azeem>maybe it's a metacity bug then, but I am not sure the WM can trap the mouse inside a subset of the virtual memory
13:13<azeem>eh, virtual desktop
13:13<simonkohnstamm>hmm now my internet wont work on my linux
13:13<abrotman>didn't we just fix that?
13:13<simonkohnstamm>something, i need to set up
13:13<simonkohnstamm>we did before, nhow its out again lol
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13:14<abrotman>didn't you use a web browser before ?
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13:16<simonkohnstamm>i fixed it by running it through internet sharing off of another computer that already had access to the network
13:16<abrotman>oh ok
13:17<simonkohnstamm>the settings daemon failed
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13:17<enouf>azeem: i thought a newer/latest gnome panel kind of offers that in a GUI applet? "2.6. New Screen Resolution Controls" (but i guess you mean the Virual X Y in xorg.conf ?)
13:18<enouf>er s/Virual/Virtual
13:18<fxiny>simonkohnstamm: setting daemon ? you mean pppoeconf failed ?
13:18<simonkohnstamm>1 fsec
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13:19<Tuplad>how do I kill a process that doesn't get killed through kill -9 ?
13:19<enouf>Tuplad: what state is it in? +D? /msg dpkg zombie
13:19<azeem>enouf: no, I mean that the mouse pointer should not leave the screen space when I switch off the external LCD with higher resolution and switch back to the internal TFT of the notebook
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13:19<Tuplad>enouf: vlad 7186 0.0 0.1 2643084 1540 ? D 19:05 0:00 /usr/bin/../lib/../bin/wine-pthread C:\Program Files\IDoser v4\IDoser.exe
13:20<Tuplad>enouf: oh, alright :)
13:20<azeem>windows maximize correctly and the panels are aligned correctly as well; I can leave the screen with the mouse pointer to the right and bottom though
13:20<azeem>which is quite annoying when you try to grab a scrollbar at the right edge of the screen
13:21<simonkohnstamm>oh hurray it works now
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13:21<enouf>azeem: ah .. and you're used to just bumping up along the side where the scrollbar and having the mouse cursor just stop there?
13:21<enouf>scrollbar +is
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13:21<azeem>yeah, e.g.
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13:22<enouf>azeem: i found out a wierd waym that in kde , and it's virual desktops, that what you experiencing is a way that kde allows you to switch between virtual desktop envs - is that what gnome does too?
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13:22<stoned>enouf, +D isn't zombie
13:22<enouf>man my typing sucks
13:23<enouf>stoned: two thoughts, two words == doesn't work well ;-)
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13:23<stoned>no idea what you're on about, but I don't consider uninterruptible sleep to be the same thing as a defunt pid
13:24<enouf>tombs: usually, that means it's sleeping (Uninterruptable Sleep, iirc) and will/should die off on it's own ...
13:24<enouf>oh well, a goner
13:24<azeem>enouf: don't think so, as the mouse pointer leaves the screen to the bottom as well
13:25<enouf>azeem: in kde, if you setup only 2 Virtual DEs, then top/bottom are the areas that switch - but if you setup 4, then the top/bottom/left/right .. or something
13:25<enouf>i suppose which/where/when could be tweaked somehow
13:25<fxiny>azeem: it leaves from the bottom and reappears for the top ?
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13:26<azeem>fxiny: no
13:26<azeem>I'm pretty sure the mouse pointer just didn't get the memo that the screen resolution is back to 1024x768
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13:40<bob__>could i get some help setting up apache to host a perl script locally?
13:43<yoyo>apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2-doc libapache2-mod-perl2
13:44<wozL>abrotman a question if u maybe know.. the eth1 is recognized as 1000Mb/s but the ethtool shows only 100Mb/s - any idea why?
13:44<abrotman>wozL: it might not have negotiated at Gb ..
13:45<wozL>eth1: Link speed = 1000Mbps.
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13:55<metalqga>my pc hung with only capslock and scroll lock flashing simultaneously. is this the bios or the kernel?
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13:58<Supaplex>metalqga: I'm more inclined to think hardware
13:59<metalqga>yes the chipset is probably overheating
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13:59<dpkg>somebody said sysrq was Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt
13:59<metalqga>i was playing a 3d game.... overheating must be the reason
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14:05<aaa>hi i installed ndiwswrapper and i installed my land card and loaded it succefully i removed some packets and now when i tape modprobe ndiswrapper there is no error but my lan card isnt loaded
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14:06<Valtiel-ASD>Debian normaly will worcking on celerone 333 mhz with 128 sdram ??
14:06<aaa>i dont know what packets i removed
14:06<knoppix_>i every one
14:06<Valtiel-ASD>need dns server
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14:09<abrotman>Valtiel-ASD: use your ISPs
14:09<aaa>van i have answer o r idea pls
14:09<Valtiel-ASD>abrotman: ???
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14:11<aaa>yeah valtiel it work but without gnome-Desktop-environment
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14:16<wozL>what could it be.. i have a gigabit ethernet but ethtool returns only 100Mb/s :S
14:16<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: yes
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14:20<erKURITA>wozL is the uplink 1 Gb/s ?
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14:21<wozL>everything except the debian server works smoothly on 1Gb/s
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14:29<wozL>maybe a driver issue?
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14:42<metalqga>why bother with debian when everything works
14:42<bob__>if im on stable and want to upgrade to testing, do i have to do anything more than update my repo list and apt-get update?
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14:47<chealer>!tell bob__ about e2l
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14:47<EulGlaude>apt-get distupgrade
14:48<EulGlaude>apt-get dist-upgrade I mean
14:48<EulGlaude>once you change your apt-list file
14:49<abrotman>!tell bob__ about etch->lenny
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14:50<metalqga>I already told him :P
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14:52<EulGlaude>kvm/qemu doesn't seems to like OS/X
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14:53<metalqga>or the other way around?
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14:53<kingsley>What happened to the xmms-jack package in unstable?
14:55<Myon>xmms is gone
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14:56<EulGlaude>xmms sucks, mocp rulez, and fit better with ratpoison :-)
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14:58<kingsley>Myon: It seems to me that reports of xmms' demise in unstable are greatly exaggerated. The command "apt-cache policy xmms" reports "Candidate: 1:1.2.10+20060801-2".
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14:59<weasel>kingsley: and where would that come from?
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14:59<weasel>kingsley: certainly not debian.
14:59<EulGlaude>marillat ?
15:00<kingsley>How do you tell which repository a package would come from?
15:01<EulGlaude>for me 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
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15:01<EulGlaude>we do not have same repository
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15:04<abrotman>judd: versions xmms
15:04<judd>abrotman: xmms -- etch: 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1
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15:20<mike_>ok so i know why my gui crashes
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15:20<mike_>it wwas telling me it could get the requested -1 position instead of 0 how do ifx it lol
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15:26<simonkohnstamm>hey guys new question
15:27<simonkohnstamm>im running debian on a lombard powerbook g3
15:27<simonkohnstamm>how can i get support for sound
15:27<Guest910>hi i have copied my data to an new harddisk (sda). Now i booted knoppix for emergency to run update-grub after chroot /mnt/sda2/ but that fails: can someone help me? thanks.
15:27<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: did you run alsaconf ?
15:27<simonkohnstamm>in console?
15:28<mike_>hey abrotman, im having problems with my x server
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15:28*abrotman hides from mike_
15:28<abrotman>mike_: need a better error
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15:28<simonkohnstamm>abrotman: I dont seem to have it installed, im guessing i should go install it
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15:29<mike_>abrotman, i there alog i can check ?
15:29<abrotman>/var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
15:29<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: install alsa-utils
15:29<mike_>dont hide abrotman you know i love yah hahah
15:29<simonkohnstamm>abrotman: Thanks, i'll let you know how it goes
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15:30<simonkohnstamm>abrotman: thanks for all the help, (how do i change my screenname so you dont have to type my name over and over again)
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15:31<simonkohnstamm>abrotman: I typed it in wrong in console before, it is infact on there
15:31<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: i don't .. i hit simo<tab> .. it fills it in for me :)
15:32<simonkohnstamm>abrotman: sweet, what app is that
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15:32<wozL>its built in irc client
15:32<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: pretty much every IRC client does that ...
15:32<wozL>u can change ur nick with /nick <newnick> :P
15:32<abrotman>simonkohnstamm: try it .. "abr<tab>"
15:32<simonkohnstamm>abrotman: any way to get my little sound up/sound down/ mute buttons to work?
15:33-!-simonkohnstamm is now known as smk
15:33<abrotman>simonrvn: does the sound work at all ?
15:33<abrotman>you fooled me!
15:33<abrotman>smk: does sound work at all ?
15:33<smk>it makes beeps on errors
15:33<smk>that is all though
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15:33<abrotman>smk: did alsaconf find a sound card?
15:33<abrotman>is your user in the audio group ?
15:33<smk>well it ffound two
15:34<smk>abrotman: powermac and legacy
15:34<abrotman>i think powermac is the one you want
15:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
15:34<abrotman>that channel might be of extra use
15:34<mike_>ok abrotman
15:34<dpkg>methinks ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
15:34<smk>thats awesome
15:34<mike_>i think may problem may lie in my borken laptop screen ( its on back orer)
15:34<enouf>!+tell smk -about msgthebot
15:34<dpkg>told smk about msgthebot.
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15:35<mike_>abrotman i think its switching my display to the broken screen during use does this make sense?
15:35<abrotman>then stop doing that
15:36<smk>fsorry bout the message bot
15:36<mike_>lol its not me
15:36<mike_>the xserver is doing it lol
15:36<smk>i like this irc room
15:36<mike_>it keeps telling me that the prfered path is -1 when i believe the monitor im on is 0
15:36<smk>most of the ones that I go to are dead, this one rocks
15:36<mike_>smk, it has its days haha
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15:37<smk>well i mean out of 360 total, its gotta have a few active members
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15:37<abrotman>smk: the one on freenode is at least double in size
15:37<abrotman>currently almost 900 people in that one
15:37<mike_>both are helpfull but i prefer this one
15:37<mike_>it has guys like abrotman in it =
15:37<abrotman>mike_: i'm on both
15:38<mike_>abrotman, ive seen you in there i know
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15:39<smk>haha i love feeling like such a noob with this stuff
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15:40<mike_>smk, i do to untill i have major problems ol
15:40<smk>i'm apple tech train certified, yet i am clueless about this stuff
15:40<mike_>smk, it doesnt take long to catch on
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15:41<smk>souhnd still isnt working
15:41<smk>even after running the alsa
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15:41<smk>should i run it with legacy you think?
15:41<mike_>smk what kinda comp are you on?
15:41<smk>powerbook g3
15:41<mike_>and are you using usb sound>
15:42<smk>just the speakers in the thing itself
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15:43<smk>how do i get onto that ppc channel
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15:45<smk>nvm ffigured that out
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15:48<smk>abrotman: I tried to open the volume control after running alsaconf and it says: "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
15:48<mike_>smk what are you running lenny or etch?
15:49<mike_>its not seeing your card at all lol
15:49<abrotman>smk: how did you install gnome ?
15:49<smk>i'm running kde now
15:49<smk>i installed gnome from the netinstall cd
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15:51<smk>any ideas?
15:51<mike_>go into terminal and lspci
15:51<EulGlaude>I Try to install oxs under kvm, it's slow ...
15:51<mike_>cause its not seeing your sound controller at all
15:51<smk>mike_: do you want me to copy all of what it said?
15:52<smk>Let me login from that computer 1 sec
15:52<mike_>umm pastebin it
15:52<EulGlaude>Is Leopard running on powerpc ?
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15:54<smk>is there irc on there by default?
15:55<mike_>haha dude just copy and paste the url haha
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15:55<smk>oh I'm pastebinning it?
15:55<mike_>yes haha
15:55<smk>my bad
15:56<smk>i thought you were talking to Eul...
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15:58<mike_>sm, not to push you in any peticular direction lol
15:58<mike_>lol my bad
15:58<mike_>but anyway lenny has better sound support but ill take a look =P
15:59<smk>would i have to do a complete reinstall to do that/
15:59<abrotman>!tell smk about etch->lenny
15:59<mike_>just upgrade =D
16:00<goodger>hello mike_
16:00<goodger>how's the system? buggered or non-buggered?
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16:00<mike_>goodger, its going cool nothing i cnat deal with
16:01<goodger>ah, excellent
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16:01<mike_>thanks for the recomendation on lenny
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16:02<goodger>that's OK
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16:05<kingsley>Is it realistic to expect that alsa can be replaced with jack and audio applications like flash, audacity, mplayer, and vlc will still work?
16:05<abrotman>kingsley: didn't i just answer you?
16:06<abrotman>kingsley: libjack depends on libasound
16:06<mike_>why replace alsa?
16:06<abrotman>it doesn't
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16:07<kingsley>mike_: I want to add audio to vnc, and jack can evidently send audio to remote hosts. However, there's some doubt in my mind about how many applications support jack.
16:07<mike_>lol i wasnt saying it did abrotman, i was askign why replace it hes obviouslly having some problem where he sees its nessicary to do
16:08<mike_>kingsley, ok so you have no audio in vlc ?
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16:08<smk>brb guys
16:08<mike_>ok smk
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16:09<kingsley>mike_: It seems to me that we should be careful to distinguish between vlc and vnc. I'm concerned with the later. vnc is an application that lets you remotely access your normal desktop. It doesn't inherently support audio.
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16:10<mike_>ahh i see now
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16:11<mike_>well kingsley id just instal the libjack imean i dont htink it should much affect the soudn you allready have
16:11<mike_>and if it works it works if it doesnt well go from there
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16:20<smk>okay i'm back
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16:24<abrotman>smk: paste your sources.list somewhere
16:25<keith>Debian 4. Which version of Open Office will be in Lenny?
16:25<abrotman>eh what? will tell you
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16:27<keith>abrotman: Thanks
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16:28<alessandro>Hi all
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16:29<abrotman>smk: put a # at the front of the cdrom line
16:29<abrotman>all of them
16:29<alessandro>Is there anybody out there?
16:29<abrotman>if you use the mirror, it's in pittsburgh
16:29<abrotman>and there's an RIT mirror also
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16:30<smk>abrotman: so what did i do wrong
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16:31<abrotman>smk: you don't have a CD for lenny
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16:31<alessandro>Any girl?
16:32<abrotman>alessandro: this is not a social channel
16:32<alessandro>lot of lol
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16:37<smk>its okay i think im done working on linux for today
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16:37<smk>thanks for all of your help
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16:39<mike_>smk, lol its cool
16:39<mike_>gives you a headache fast doesnt it ?
16:39<smk>yes sir
16:39<smk>plus i have other stuff to do
16:39<smk>and ive put it off for too long
16:40<mike_>haha i cant switch to anything else i dumped everyhting and went staright debian on my hd
16:40<smk>i still have two other laptops here that are safe with os x
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16:41<smk>non-problematic i mean
16:42<smk>like i know it well, and i can use them readily
16:42<smk>linux, not so much yet
16:42<mike_>linux isnt hard
16:42<mike_>its liek anything else takes time to get used to
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17:08<mike_>im bored guys
17:08*mike_ rolls a joint
17:08<abrotman>mike_: fix bugs!
17:08*mike_ drops the joint
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17:14<user123456789>doesn't anyone know much about debian on freerunner?
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17:30<thegve>Hello. I am running Lenny and the binary Nvidia driver. I am trying to install compiz, however, when I run "compiz --replace" it segfaults and gives a warning message "/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32"
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17:30<thegve>Direct rendering is working, according to glxinfo
17:30<abrotman>try 24bit ?
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17:31<thegve>Wasn't 32bit something that didn't exist? I always thought 24 was the maximum and the remaining 8 where some overhead combined with marketing
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17:31<thegve>Or I am I wrong
17:32<abrotman>24bit color depth i mean
17:32<abrotman>see what you're using
17:32<mike_>wb themill =d
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17:33<thegve>odd, all depth settings in xorg (Default depth, display depth settings) are set to 16
17:34<thegve>how can I check this?
17:34<thegve>what is currently active, I mean
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17:35<thegve>I did as s/16/24 in xorg.conf, let's see what happens, brb
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17:36<thegve>interesting, that removed the warning
17:36<thegve>It's now just "ok ok ok ok segfault"
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17:37<thegve>I'll do a pastebin of the complete output
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17:38<abrotman>you could try to strace it .. it'll give a lot of output
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17:41<kjs>yo, can i talk in here if I am not auth'd with nickserv ?
17:42<abrotman>you just did
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17:42<kjs>hey abrotman
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17:45<thegve>Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1726671 bytes) in /home/pastebin/public_html/pastebin.php on line 150
17:45<thegve>ah bummer
17:45<thegve>even doesn't like it
17:46<mike_>split in half do 2 post
17:46<thegve>I understand
17:46<thegve>just found it funny
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17:48<mike_>i didnt think pastebin had a limit XD
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17:52<thegve>ah, it's 4.5M
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17:52<thegve>That explain's why most pastebin is doing so weird
17:52<thegve>Malformed multipart POST - according to
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17:54<thegve>uploading to my webhost...
17:55<abrotman>holy mother of large files
17:55<thegve>4.5M could be a problem for non-broadbanders
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17:56<abrotman>how did you instll compiz?
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17:57<thegve>aptitude install compiz compiz-gnome
17:58<abrotman>wonder if it's a problem with thenvidia drivers
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17:59<thegve>glxgears spits out this: XIO: fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server ":0.0" <NEWLINE WAS HERE> after 36 requests (36 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
17:59<thegve>but is running smoothly
18:00<abrotman>i don't know enough about the nvidia driver to know if that's the issue or not
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18:02<abrotman>thegve: if you install libcompizconfig0 ... does it go away?
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18:03<thegve>abrotman, yes
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18:03<abrotman>the bug says that ... but doesn't seem to work for everyone
18:03<thegve>the wobbling has started....
18:04<thegve>couldn't load plugin 'workarounds'
18:04<abrotman>that's also in the bug
18:04<gierfc>hello, when i try to configure kismet i get an error that says that interface wlan0 is not available. But it is listed with ifconfig. CAn anybody help me getting kismet running?
18:04<thegve>ah, the workaround plugin.... Sounds funny
18:04<thegve>But is it a missing dependency then?
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18:06<abrotman>sounds that way
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18:07<thegve>I guess that bugreport already covers that
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18:08<philsf>I have some obviously overkill postfix restriction rules, can someone care to help me trim them?
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18:09<njg>i have an obscure networking problem, and need some help!
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18:10<abrotman>philsf: what's worng with them?
18:10<abrotman>njg: just ask
18:11<njg>running debian stable... static ip. when the machine boots, i cannot ping it from within the subnet. i can ping from a different subnet
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18:11<philsf>these configs work for kmail, thunderbird and evolution on linux, and I think two of my users also can use eudora for windows and for mac osx. I can't get palm's versamail to work though.
18:11<philsf>abrotman: ^
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18:12<gierfc>hello, when i try to configure kismet i get an error that says that interface wlan0 is not available. But it is listed with ifconfig. CAn anybody help me getting kismet running?
18:12<philsf>abrotman: versa complains about the server not responding, I pasted the log from a versamail attempt here
18:12<njg>if i log in and restart networking (i.e. $ /etc/init.d/networking restart) i can ping the machine from the subnet, but only for a while
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18:12<abrotman>it's telling you the ssl cert is bad ?
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18:12<thegve>njg And you are sure the IP is stell set to the one you configured? (The static one)
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18:13<njg>pretty sure, double-checking now
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18:13<thegve>njg, I heard some talk about network-manager sometimes DHCP'ing anyway (Heard a collegeau talking about this, bit of a rumour, but worth to check...)
18:14<njg>i already removed network-manager... maybe that was a mistake?
18:14<philsf>abrotman: not afaict
18:14<abrotman>Jan 17 20:26:51 morfo postfix/smtpd[20260]: SSL_accept error from unknown[]: -1
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18:15<thegve>njg, not sure about that
18:15<njg>i -did- find a non-ideal workaround, where I manipulate the ARP cache on other machines in the subnet... but this isn't a good long-term fix
18:15<philsf>abrotman: oh, the client? it just times out. actually the versamail mua is probably the worst thing in terms of user interface
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18:17<philsf>abrotman: I was thinking maybe the settings are restricting something that versamail needs to use - I know at least that it uses "COM" as a helo identification string, but this should pass if I use smtp authentication
18:17<abrotman>philsf: you might get more help from #postfix on freenode
18:18<philsf>abrotman: I tried, they must have better things to do...
18:18<abrotman>or they're sleeping :)
18:18<brian5555> i am running debian etch and i just installed gnash from the backports but gnash doesnt work in iceweasel
18:18<thegve>njg, What is the problem then, is there something wrong on the Debian machine or is there a routing error. What changes did you make in the other machine's ARP?
18:18<abrotman>philsf: it's listening on 25 or something else?
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18:19<philsf>abrotman: 25 and 465. I use 465 for auth smtp, with ssl/tls
18:19<abrotman>i can't connect on 25 either
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18:19<abrotman>or 465
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18:20<njg>the problem is this: I boot debian machine (nflorsrv0). I then try to ping it from another machine (nflor14) which is on the same switch. Pinging, I get "Destination Host Unreachable"
18:20<philsf>abrotman: what ip are you trying to connect to?
18:20<njg>now, if i manipulate the arp cache on nflor14 (which appears to be working perfectly) i can ping nflorsrv0
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18:22<njg>that paste shows netstat -r for the two machines. notice that nflorsrv0 does not have a "link-local"
18:23<philsf>abrotman: no, this is me trying. the server is on
18:23<abrotman>okay that works
18:24<philsf>abrotman: are you on
18:24<abrotman>would appear so
18:24<philsf>Jan 17 21:23:53 morfo postfix/smtpd[21604]: SSL_accept error from[]: -1
18:24<philsf>Jan 17 21:23:53 morfo postfix/smtpd[21604]: 21604:error:140760FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_srvr.c:583:
18:24<njg>thegve: this addresses your question about the arp changes:
18:25<abrotman>i didn't try very hard :)
18:25<abrotman>philsf: i just used telnet
18:25<abrotman>philsf: you're using a self-signed cert? can you connect with something like thunderbird?
18:25<njg>thegve, this is also relavent:
18:26<thegve>weird stuff...
18:26<philsf>abrotman: it's a self-signed, yes. I can get any decent mua to work, this includes thunderbird, evolution and kmail in linux
18:26<philsf>probably eudora in windows and in mac osx, which is what I *think* two users use thre
18:26<njg>thegve, ok, thanks... at this point, I'm wondering: "am I an idiot?"
18:27<thegve>I already had that first paste-it (d9e62eb)
18:27<abrotman>philsf: so it's really a problem with v---- ?
18:27<abrotman>philsf: what is this application ?
18:27<slush>you'll be wondering that pretty much after this one, njg
18:27<njg>thegve, ok, thanks. i'm new to irc, so i wanted to make sure you got it
18:27<philsf>abrotman: versamail is a client for pam os devices
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18:27<njg>slush, you're probably right... i'm not used to such questions, though!
18:28<slush>nah, thats just how things work ;)
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18:28<philsf>here are my full config (as in postconf -n)
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18:29<philsf>abrotman: s/pam os/palm os/
18:29<abrotman>philsf: which device ?
18:30<philsf>abrotman: palm TX, but a user also had trouble with a Treo
18:30<njg>thegve. any thoughts on why nflorsrv0 does not have "link-local" when I do netstat -r ?
18:30<abrotman>philsf: it seems versamail doesn't have the ability to ignore a self-signed cert
18:30<thegve>I was just thinking about that
18:30<abrotman>philsf: or accept it as being "unofficial"
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18:31<njg>(Thanks for this help, btw. this is my first real IRC experience. It's a good one)
18:31<thegve>And to be honest, I had to look up the meaning, and ( Maybe you'll already know this) it has something to do with addresses not te be routed, eg "The word for" LAN addresses vs WAN addresses
18:32<abrotman>philsf: it appears some devices have the ability to install the cert .. not sure if the ones you're testing do
18:32<thegve>But I am still thinking about how this could be a cause of the problem, I am not a networking specialist and an ex-admin for 5 years now, so been some time.
18:33<abrotman>check the ip/route when working versus not working
18:34<philsf>abrotman: makes sense. I'll try disabling it for a while to test the null hypothesis. meanwhile, it seems googling agrees with you
18:34<njg>abrotman, please give me the exact commands you're suggesting...
18:34<philsf>abrotman: thanks for the hint!
18:34<abrotman>ifconfig -a .. route -n
18:34<abrotman>philsf: sorry .. i've had to deal with that before, kind of sucks
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18:35<abrotman>and now FF3/IW3 has that entire "ACK self-signed cert .. THE SKY IS FALLING" crap
18:35<philsf>abrotman: with palm devices?
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18:35<abrotman>philsf: with other stuff .. just that dont' really give useful messages about self-signed tls certs
18:35<thegve>I think the problem is in the nflor14 server or in the switch
18:35<thegve>But I don't know why
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18:36<njg>this is ip/route for nflorsrv0 where i can't ping it from within the subnet:
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18:37<abrotman>njg: do you have more than 256 IPs ?
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18:37<njg>here, I have restarted networking, and i can ping nflorsrv0 from within the subnet
18:38<home>i would like to set up nvidia proprietary nvidia drivers for my etch machine
18:38<njg>more than 256 IPs ? i suppose so... i'm at Fermilab
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18:38<njg>and i'm a physicist, not a computing expert
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18:39<njg>thegve, maybe it is the switch!
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18:39<abrotman>njg: so one of those pastes works, and the other doesn't ?
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18:39<abrotman>!tell home about nvidia one-liner
18:39<njg>this one works:
18:40<abrotman>you could try tcpdump
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18:40<abrotman>njg: wait ... where's your admin?
18:40<home>i entered in this command to get nvidia drivers:apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r)
18:40<home>however that didnt work
18:40<abrotman>home: you need contrib and non-free sources
18:40<home>Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
18:40<thegve>But it makes no sense that it works after networking restart in that case
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18:40<home>abrotman : how do i do that
18:41<abrotman>home: oh .. no nvidia stuff for etchnhalf that i know of
18:41<njg>abrotman, My admin is ignoring me, because I'm running debian
18:41<abrotman>njg: what does he run?
18:41*slush gives njg an axe
18:41<njg>and they only support Scientific Linux (which is RHEL-based).
18:41<abrotman>ah ok
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18:42<abrotman>njg: when it stops working, can your workstation ping other stuff? and just not be pinged?
18:42<home>!nvidia pre built
18:42<abrotman>ip conflict?
18:42<abrotman>home: msg the bot
18:42<njg>but i think i can try thegve's suggestion: I will "trade" my office swithc for another. ;)
18:42<njg>unless there are better ideas....
18:42<home>but i have etchnhalf
18:42<home>does that limit me to one option
18:43<slush>not sure at this moment, too tired .. sorry njg
18:43<njg>no worries. as i said before, you guys are great. thansk!
18:43<njg>i'm gonna go switch the switch. :) will report back!
18:43<slush>good luck
18:43<thegve>I am very much doubting my theory there, I was just thinking out load (or is this just a dutch word..). The fact that a networking restart on the 0 server seems to help is weird
18:44<thegve>1 AM
18:44<njg>thegve, i agree. but it costs me nothing (other than time) to swap switches...
18:44<slush>thegve: almost
18:45<abrotman>tcpdump could really be helpful here
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18:55<njg>back to life
18:55<njg>swapped out the switch for an identical one
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18:57<njg>and what do you know: it looks like I can ping nflorsrv0!
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18:58<njg>now, I've seen this problem "come and go"... so I'll try to ping every once in a while.
18:59<njg>but for right now, swapping out the switch seemes to have done the trick!
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19:00<njg>thanks for help, guys
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19:02<slush>njg: maybe the hardware in the switch failed or just got too hot or smth like that
19:02<xingu>njg: most likely candidate is ip addressing conflict - some other device on the network has the same ip address.
19:02<njg>and now, all my excitement blows up
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19:02<njg>cannot ping again
19:03<slush>in that case, xingu has the best idea, i guess
19:03<njg>xingu: it seems unlikely to me: these addresses are assigned
19:03<njg>and i've been using it for 1 year.
19:03<njg>problem only cropped up recently
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19:03<abrotman>doesn't mean someone didn't get assigned that IP
19:04<abrotman>njg: you need another device to ping from to your IP
19:04<slush>njg: somebody could have overruled a assigned addres
19:04<njg>abrotman, understood
19:04<njg>in this paste: what is the sit0 interface?
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19:05<xingu>sit0 is ipv6-over-ipv4 encaps tunnel endpoint.
19:05<njg>ok... any reason to suspect that might be a problem?
19:05<xingu>link-local is 169.254/16 B class address in this context most likely; it's curious but not important that one of your hosts is adding a device route for it.
19:06<xingu>none whatsoever.
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19:07<xingu>njg: abrotman's bang on the money - you need to find the host which now cannot ping this destination and use "tcpdump -in <device> arp or rarp or icmp" while you issue a ping to the unreachable host on another console
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19:08<njg>xingu, working on it now
19:08<abrotman>steal one from the useless admin
19:08<xingu>njg: the host which is now unable to ping the destination will issue an arp who-has ... tell ...; if it gets a response and the mac address is not the now-unreachable system you have an ip addressing conflict.
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19:09<xingu>njg: if it gets no response to the who-has your admin may have done something creative with mac address filtering on their switches (up-link of your now-isolated system)
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19:09<torren31>i have a probleme when i used apt-get remove aptitude
19:09<njg>ok, good advice xingu. reading tcp-dump man page now!
19:09<torren31>now when i try apt-get install aptitude
19:09<xingu>... but I'm guessing the former is true (given that the "cure" is to add static arp entries)
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19:10<torren31>it says Dépend: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11
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19:11<torren31>any one good on installing paquets there ?
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19:12<abrotman>torren31: there is more to the errror
19:12<farof>(french inside, doing my best :))
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19:12<torren31>abrotman: what do u mean
19:13<abrotman>torren31: pastebin all of the output
19:13<torren31>on pm?
19:13<abrotman>no . in a pastebin
19:13<farof>I'm having trouble with PAM (mkhomedir module) on a debian host and was looking for help, is someone able to give me a hand ?
19:14<torren31>debianserver:/home/normaluser/Desktop# apt-get install aptitude
19:14<torren31>Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
19:14<torren31>Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
19:14<torren31>Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
19:14<torren31>Certains paquets ne peuvent être installés. Ceci peut signifier
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19:14<abrotman>yeah .. pastebin
19:14<farof>or redirect me on another chan with help
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19:15<torren31>O o
19:15<abrotman>it's a website ..
19:16<abrotman>torren31: PASTEBIN
19:16<abrotman>torren31: go to .. paste it there
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19:19<abrotman>torren31: apt-cache policy aptitude .. put it in a pastebin
19:19<abrotman>torren31: also `uname -a`
19:21<njg>ok, xingu et al. I did "18:20:01.004094 arp who-has tell
19:22<abrotman>torren31: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
19:22<njg>ok, xingu et al. I did "sudo tcpdump -i eth0 arp | grep nflorsrv0 " from nflor14, and got "18:20:02.012096 arp who-has tell"
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19:22<njg>(sorry for the scrambled messages thee)
19:22<abrotman>torren31: is the 'apt' package installed ? dpkg -l apt
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19:24<abrotman>torren31: your system is some kind of mix of etch and lenny, but you have no lenny sources
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19:25<torren31>yah no lenny
19:25<abrotman>you're going to have to uncomment it
19:25<abrotman>and add the security sources fro lenny .. and finish your dist-upgrade
19:26<MoDaX>is anyone able to use flashplugin-nonfree/unstable at all? it crashes iceweasel on the first flash applet
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19:27<torren31>right modaX :S
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19:28<MoDaX>I don't understand how that crap could have been uploaded to sid
19:28<abrotman>it's adobe flash .. sid is unstable .. you're surprised ?
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19:28<craigevil-eee>Shockwave Flash 10.0 r15, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/2008122011 Iceweasel/3.0.5 (Debian-3.0.5-1) no problems here
19:28<torren31>abrotman u got solution?
19:29<torren31>or there is no way?
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19:29<abrotman>torren31: i already told you
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19:29<torren31>oops i havnt understand
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19:29<torren31>im native arabic frensh speaker
19:29<abrotman>torren31: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old
19:29<torren31>try to simplify pls
19:29<abrotman>torren31: then create a new /etc/apt/sources.list and add these two lines
19:30<SaintK>Gd evening, how can i make aptitude re-install a package, and replacing all the files to a origional setup ?
19:30<MoDaX>abrotman: yes I am. maintainer should test before uploading
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19:30<abrotman>deb main
19:30<MoDaX>craigevil-eee: did you do anything special?
19:30<valdyn>SaintK: thats what a reinstall does, except for config files
19:30<abrotman>deb lenny/updates main
19:30<torren31>ok ty :)
19:30<SaintK>valdyn: I need it to re-install the configs specificly :x
19:30<craigevil-eee>nope the only site ive seen that will crash iw is myspace
19:30<SaintK>valdyn: I need it to re-install the configs specificly :x
19:30<valdyn>SaintK: delete the config files that you want to be replaced with originals and ...
19:31<abrotman>torren31: then run `apt-get update && apt-get install dpkg aptitude && aptitude dist-upgrade`
19:31<dmoerner>torren31: the first line should be deb lenny main abrotman forgot the lenny
19:31<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
19:31<valdyn>SaintK: follow that one ^^
19:31<abrotman>dmoerner: yes, i'm hungry!
19:31<SaintK>damn , having some keyboard/hand interaction issue's this evening
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19:31<torren31>xD ok
19:31<MoDaX>craigevil-eee: does youtube work?
19:31<craigevil-eee>MoDaX: search the sidux forum there are a couple of suggested fixes there
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19:32<valdyn>sidux isnt debian?
19:32<craigevil-eee>yes no issues with youtube here or on my desktop
19:32<valdyn>MoDaX: marillat has flash also
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19:32<MoDaX>I'll take whatever works :)
19:33<njg>here's some more clues for my problem:
19:33<craigevil-eee>whether you use dmm or non-free it downloads and installs the same adobe flash
19:33<njg>"When the disconnected host fails to respond ARP requests, the neighbor table entry will be marked as incomplete"
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19:33<SaintK>I used aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall apache2 , but its not placing back my /etc/apache2 directory. Any other options i could try?
19:33<njg>so, my hypothesis is that nflorsrv0 is "not responding to ARP requests"
19:34<valdyn>MoDaX: maybe the latest flash 10 dont work well with etch browsers, i wouldnt know about that
19:34<abrotman>it doesn't
19:34<MoDaX>valdyn: sid here
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19:34<abrotman>flash10 totally fails on etch
19:35<MoDaX>ironically, flash amd64 beta survives more than i386 "release"
19:35<valdyn>MoDaX: dpkg -l iceweasel | tail -1
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19:35<valdyn>MoDaX: how do you know that you iceweasel is actually using adobe flash and not some different plugin?
19:36<MoDaX>valdyn: 3.0.5-1
19:36<gsimmons>SaintK: Wrong package. The configuration files are in 'apache2.2-common'.
19:36<SaintK>ah thanks
19:37<MoDaX>valdyn: I know, if I run update-flashplugin-nonfree --uninstall, no more crashes occur
19:37<MoDaX>neither is flash plugin available
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19:39<valdyn>MoDaX: cant help you, works fine here
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19:39<valdyn>MoDaX: 10r20 from marillat
19:40<valdyn>or 10.0 d20
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19:42<MoDaX>valdyn: I'm very unlucky then
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19:44<future>Hi everyone, just installed Debian running xfce, want to install something like compiz - are there any other things that do the same?
19:45<valdyn>future: not really
19:45<valdyn>future: you can just get compositing without compiz
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19:45<valdyn>future: compiz-fancy effects
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19:46<valdyn>future: err, compiz minus fancy effects
19:46<future>oh, haha, cool, thanks
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19:46<future>I'll stick with compiz then, I just find it to be a little buggy sometimes
19:46<valdyn>future: like with metacity i got shadows and neat alt-tab, but nothing else really
19:47<future>ah, its mostly the transparent windows i want it for
19:47<valdyn>i think compiz is a dead end technically, but what do i know
19:47<path>where can I see RC bugs to try to fix them ?
19:47<valdyn>path: use google?
19:47<path>never mind I found it
19:47<future>by the way, sorry for being a noob, but why is firefox called iceweasel??
19:48<craigevil-eee>!why iceweasel
19:48<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
19:48<path>not only firefox but thunderbind also
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19:48<future>wow, that sucks
19:48<future>thought they were pro-open
19:48<abrotman>in some ways ..
19:48<craigevil-eee>its still works the same and you can use the same extensions/themes
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19:49<future>still, its kind of silly really, haha
19:49<njg>yeah... "branding"
19:51<future>so are there any good books/webpages on Debian out there?
19:51<future>I'm trying to learn more about linux and ubuntu just seemed to be holding me back
19:51<njg>(reading it now, seems ok)
19:51<dpkg>[refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian.
19:51<future>thanks heaps
19:51<njg>ubuntu held you back?
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19:51<abrotman>that should be updated a bit though
19:51<njg>how so?
19:52<future>it just seems to try to do everything for you
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19:52<future>and that doesnt help me learn
19:52<valdyn>future: you can use ubuntu just as people use debian
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19:52<njg>sure... but you can still do just as much as you want...
19:52<valdyn>future: major difference is that ubuntu just tries to expose different user interfaces, but everything debian is still there
19:53<future>yeah I guess
19:53<njg>one great tool i found for making my own packages is checkinstall. it's very useful for running "bleeding-edge" code, whilst still using the packaging system
19:53<njg>if you're inclined to "do it yourself", it's a great tool
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19:53<future>awesome, thanks
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19:55<future>valdyn, that ref card is really good, thanks
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20:05<Guest938>wow fully loaded
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20:06<Guest938>hey guys im running a live cd how do i install it to hard drive?
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20:08<njg>xingu after using arping, i am sure that it's not a duplicate address issue
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20:31<MoDaX>fyi, installing libcurl3-gnutls fixed completely broken flash problem
20:32<redspike>enouf: hi
20:33<abrotman>MoDaX: i thnik that's in the BTS actually
20:34<MoDaX>abrotman: is it? severity should be serious (missing dep)
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20:35<abrotman>MoDaX: lok .. not sure
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21:12<proto>whats new
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21:12<kingsley>What are the names of some good audio editors, besides audacity and ardour?
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21:13<Gekz>kingsley: you've said them both
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21:16<abrotman>kingsley: what's wrong with those?
21:18<asteroid>isn't max/msp available?
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22:43<Gekz>debian repos, does stable, testing and stable all share the same pool?
22:44<goodger>Gekz: what?
22:44<Gekz>the debian repository, all the packages seem to be in the same pool
22:45<Gekz>with files in dists telling which is owned by whic
22:45<abrotman>Gekz: stable/testing/unstable you mean ?
22:45<abrotman>Gekz: if so, then yes
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22:48<Gekz>abrotman: I mean that in pool/main all the debs are in the same area
22:48<Gekz>not separated by distribution
22:48<Gekz>dists however defines that
22:49<abrotman>if you look in your Packages file, it has a URL
22:49<Gekz>yeah I know
22:49<Gekz>that's why I was asking if that's how it is
22:49<Gekz>I was making sure my understanding was correct
22:49<abrotman>AIUI anyways
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22:51<Gekz>abrotman: another question.
22:51<Gekz>can a third-party repo for testing be used in unstable?
22:51<Gekz>whether this is a clean practice or not isnt the question
22:52<abrotman>currently it would probably work, a few weeks after lenny releases, they will diverge
22:52<Gekz>why would it no longer work?
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22:53<abrotman>they will diverge
22:53<Gekz>yes, causing what changes?
22:53<abrotman>who knows
22:53<abrotman>all kinds of differences perhaps
22:54<abrotman>Gekz: for what software?
22:54<Gekz>openttd nightly builds
22:54<abrotman>URL ?
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22:54<abrotman>for the repo i mean
22:54<Gekz>I'm making the repo
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22:54<Gekz>it's not in existence yet
22:54<abrotman>Gekz: oh, well you're in charge .. you can make the dependencies
22:54<abrotman>you can also run a testing vm on your unstable box
22:55<abrotman>you can just say you need say ... foo >= or whatever
22:55<Gekz>what you're saying though is really changing libraries could cause problems, right?
22:55<abrotman>depending what openntpdptpd does
22:55<Gekz>openttd isnt a daemon
22:55<Gekz>Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe
22:55<abrotman>dude .. railroad tycoon ?
22:56<Gekz>it's not RT, but close
22:56<goodger>RT was based loosely on TT
22:56<Gekz>it's not even close to SimCity
22:56<goodger>simcity predates it a lot
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22:56<goodger>and it's vastly different
22:56<abrotman>i can tell that
22:56<abrotman>but lincity is kind of bad
22:56<Gekz>lincity is horrible
22:56<abrotman>Gekz: anyways .. how much stuff does it depend on ?
22:57<Gekz>like 5 libs
22:57<Gekz>SDL, zlib
22:57<abrotman>as long as you're not using bleeding edge versions of those things, i'd think you'd be okay
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22:58<abrotman>Gekz: but uh .. it's already in debian
22:58<abrotman>judd: versions openttd
22:58<judd>abrotman: openttd -- lenny/contrib: 0.6.2-1 sid/contrib: 0.6.3-1
22:58*abrotman wonders why it's in contrib
22:58<Gekz>those aren't nightly version
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22:59<abrotman>oh whoops .. indeed not
22:59<Gekz>because it requires proprietary game files
22:59<abrotman>oh .. that sucks
22:59<Gekz>no-one made open graphics for it yet
22:59<abrotman>it seems that it's really hard to get graphics for OSS games
22:59<abrotman>i was involved in a game once .. and that was really one of the hardest bits
22:59<abrotman>programming the game wasn't super hard .. it was the graphics bit
23:00<goodger>fortunately there is a vast army of people creating graphics for OTTD and TTDP
23:00<abrotman>but will it look good? :)
23:00<abrotman>i mean .. the screenshots look okay .. but they're like 1997 graphics
23:01<abrotman>(not trying to be mean)
23:01<goodger>er, 1994, I think
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23:01<goodger>the engine is limited to 8bpp sprites
23:01<goodger>refactoring it to support 32bpp is nearly complete
23:02<abrotman>we were doing work with Kyra at the time .. a sprite library
23:02<abrotman>i think upstream is long dead
23:03<abrotman>hasn't released since 2005
23:04<Gekz>Oh shit
23:04<Gekz>I just deleted a script I used to download svn versions of apertium
23:04<Gekz>I made myself sad
23:04<abrotman>are you going to pick on me because i'm old ?
23:05<abrotman>oh ok
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23:37<umarzuki>hi all
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23:40<umarzuki>any loopmount install like wubi to install ubuntu from debian? lubi doesn't work for me
23:40<umarzuki>at least on my lenny amd64
23:41<umarzuki>last time i tried with 8.10 i386 iso
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23:41<abrotman>debootstrap and .. only things i can think of
23:42<goodger>ubuntu from debian?
23:42<umarzuki>like a loopmount install inside debian
23:42<goodger>a) that's not a topic for this channel, b) that's completely senseless, and c) it's quite easy to do with an apt-get dist-upgrade
23:43<goodger>what part of that needs further explanation?
23:43<umarzuki>i'm talking a wubi-like apps
23:43<goodger>I've never heard of wubi
23:44<goodger>I suspect it is an ubuntu-related matter that is offtopic here
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23:44<umarzuki>it install ubuntu inside windows
23:44<abrotman>wubi is ubuntu only
23:44<dpkg>from memory, colinux is Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ...
23:44<umarzuki>but i want to know if there's anything like it aside from lubi
23:44<abrotman>i didn't make it!
23:45<goodger>umarzuki: I don't think you can expect us to know; as I said, ubuntu-related matters are offtopic here. it would be more productive for you to go to #ubuntu on freenode, or to ask about the specific problem with debian you have
23:45<umarzuki>ubuntu forum isn't much help
23:45<abrotman>not our problem .. try #ubuntu on freenode
23:45<umarzuki>and its irc
23:46<umarzuki>wow, that's something
23:46<goodger>then you have your answer
23:46<umarzuki>just have to google more
23:46<goodger>if they don't think it's possible, we are unlikely to improve matters
23:47<goodger>googling more does not necessarily solve anything. otherwise philosophers would just look on page 75 of the google results for "does god exist?"
23:47<umarzuki>it seems that is possible with the last 7.04 but not 8.10
23:48<umarzuki>or so the its documentation says
23:48<goodger>does this have any relevance here?
23:48<umarzuki>thanks anyway
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23:48<goodger>there's only so many ways of saying "go away" politely, aren't there...
23:49<abrotman>the colinux really was the closest that i know of .. but oh well
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23:55<Gekz>is there an easy way to modify the version of a .deb?
23:56<simonrvn>get source package, edit changelog, rebuild, install
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23:56<Gekz>I dont wanna
23:56<Gekz>I said easy way
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23:58<Gekz>I'll prove you wrong
23:58<simonrvn>go ahead
23:59*simonrvn wonders if Gekz will find the repacking method
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