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00:02<simonrvn>so you'll spend time to try to prove me wrong, and not either repacking the thing, nor rebuilding it. really productive.
00:03<simonrvn>you still have to edit the changelog, in either case, so whatever the hell you're doing is pointless.
00:04<simonrvn>this is me caring
00:10<Gekz>simonrvn: I did it
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00:29<averna>Hi, I'm trying to update my OS. I have Debian Gnome and I'd like to save my bookmarks from my Epiphany browser. I just can't figure out where they are. DOes anyone know off hand?
00:30<goodger>averna: somewhere within ~/.gnome2/epiphany
00:31<averna>that might narrow it down, thanks.
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01:07<kingsley>Is there a command which can upgrade a certain package's dependencies?
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01:28<zeev>Hi, how do I activate crt/lcd switching on my laptop (gnome)?
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02:44<farthing>anyone still up?
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02:45<farthing>can i plug something other than a keyboard or mouse into a PS2 (port?)?
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02:47<Supaplex>farthing: like what?
02:48<farthing>an old 56k modem. the only connector i could find was 15 pin -> PS2
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02:50<farthing>15pin parallel connects to the modem and PS2 to mobo. not sure wherer to put it though
02:52<Supaplex>so that's what rides the short bus eh?
02:53<farthing>i also have a ps2 splitter. could i like plug my mouse and my keyboard into the same ps2 port? i mean, one is labled mouse and one is labled keyboard, but can they be used for something else?
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02:56<spande>I am trying to print to a file from iceweasel/firefox in etch. Firefox freezes the moment I select that option. And for print preview. CPU usage of firefox goes up. I have to kill it. Suggestions?
02:56<farthing>is cups running?
02:57<spande>cups is running. printer itself is not working right yet.
02:57<Supaplex>farthing: the splitter thing might work. I have no idea if the modem thingy will. I hope the modem thingy doesn't do anything bad.
02:57<Supaplex>!lart printer
02:57*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of printer's pants
02:57<farthing>mechanicly not working right or just not configured properly?
02:57<spande>the freeze happens before I reache printer dialog. Ie from firefox print menu. The menu remains
02:58<goodger>hello. is there any program that shows an analogue clock with numbers?
02:58<farthing>have you tried printing a from a different program?
02:59<fxiny>xclock ?
03:00<spande>farthing : I am trying to make an HP 6L work over usblp. But I was expecting to be able to get to the point in firefox where it prompts you for a print to file. I do not even get to that bit. I remain frozen at firefox file... dropdown
03:00<goodger>fxiny: has no numbers, unfortunately
03:00<farthing>i wonder where i'm supposed to connect this modem then...
03:00<spande>(with print... or print preview... highlighted(
03:00<goodger>I would ideally like one whose hands can be manipulated, or which can illustrate time offsets visually, or similar
03:01<goodger>I have difficulty handling time
03:01<farthing>have you tried printing a from a different program?
03:01<spande>pardon my data-esque contraction ommissions. keyboard layout needs fixing for japanese layout <disgusted face>
03:01<fxiny>goodger: are you using irss+screen ? or fluxbox ?
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03:01<goodger>fxiny: GNOME
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03:06<Supaplex>!lart darkness
03:06*dpkg decapitates darkness conan the destroyer style
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03:09<spande>print to a file from iceweasel/firefox in etch. Firefox freezes the moment I select that option - firefox hangs with file... dropdown menu. Print... selection option of menu is highlighted. CPU shoots up. Same thing happens for print preview. I have to kill firefox. Suggestions?
03:10<spande>if I can print to file, that would be handy.
03:10<spande>I should check if I get same problem in oowriter...< runs off to play with oowriter >
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03:11<fxiny>goodger: no numbers in gkrellm-alltraxclock
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03:12<goodger>fxiny: sorry?
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03:13<fxiny>goodger: apt-cache search clock | grep analog shows gkrellm-alltraxclock , i0ve checked it but there are no numners
03:13<bob_>Got one for you guys tonight
03:13<goodger>fxiny: irritating. thanks anyway...
03:14<bob_>trying to install the NVidia driver but it seems my kernal was compiled with a different version of gcc than what I currently have and its kicking me
03:14<bob_>how can I either get around this, or fix this?
03:15<spande>ouch. same problem in open office. some system problem to do with printer. seems like a bad design, allowing a printer subsystem problem to freeze a app.
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03:17<spande>so a workaround for me would be to disable cups.
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03:19<Supaplex>disable the user. yeah yeah, that's it. *CRACK*.
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03:23<goodger>fxiny: thanks
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03:24<fxiny>goodger: np
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03:26<spande>my guess is a missing lib. suggested by googling the sparse info on this behaviour. doing an strace....
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03:29<spande>oh. it is trying to connect to cups at that point. and the printer is down. lessee if shutting cups bring progress...
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03:35<spande>oooh. it is looking for an old printer because of client.conf file setting... fixing...
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03:38<spande>hoorah! works.
03:38<spande>thanks y
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03:59<fxiny>little bug ? aptitude -y safe-upgrade from a local dir . usual warning : "Do you want to ignore ... ?" "To continue ..." yes+ (typo) is accepted
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04:03<Gekz>I'm trying to use reprepro but gnupg is being annoying
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04:04<mike_>hey in my xorg.conf could i specify vertrefresh as well as horiz?
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04:04<fxiny>mike_: should be autodetected
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04:04<mike_>havin a problem with it fxiny
04:04<fxiny>i know :)
04:04<mike_>couls i try to see if it makes a difference?
04:05<mike_>well im gonna try it and restart if it fixes my problem then its all cool if not ill be troubleshootin with someones help haha
04:05<fxiny>mike_: yes , come here
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04:06<mike_>ok so to add it to xorg.conf id make it look like horizrefresh 56-61
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04:08<fxiny>mike_: type xrandr -q
04:09<fxiny>now you see what's avaiable . es : 1024x768 84.9 85.0 .......
04:10<fxiny>gone :P
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04:16<mike_>fxiny ok so didnt work lol if i pastebin a copy of my xorg.conf you think you can tell me what to do
04:16<mike_>fxiny, the problem stopped when i added vert refresh but now when it hits the logon scren it goes all out of wack
04:17<fxiny>mike_: type xrandr -q , do not paste here , just read what is avaiable , look for lines like : 1024x768 84.9 85.0 .......
04:18<mike_>Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" VertRefresh 56-61 EndSection
04:18<mike_>thats it
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04:18<fxiny>mike_: just that ?
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04:19<mike_>it boots at a non supported resolution
04:19<mike_>well it worked in etch just not here in elnny lol
04:19<fxiny>mike_: i think that's because of your worng xorg.conf , reconfigure it dpkg-reconfigure xorg
04:20<fxiny>mike_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
04:20<mike_>what now?
04:20<fxiny>xrandr -q
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04:21<fxiny>did you restart x ?
04:21<mike_>how do i do that lol
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04:23<mike_>fxiny the problem is it stating xserver at 1280x1024 at 75hz how do i fix that?
04:23<mike_>like hold on
04:23<fxiny>mike_: run xrandr -q
04:23<mike_> 1280x1024 75.0 + 75.0 59.9 60.0
04:23<mike_>^ it doesnt support it a 75hz
04:23<fxiny>mike_: wait
04:24<fxiny>mike_: that's the xrandr -q output ?
04:24<mike_>it gives a long list yeah
04:25<mike_>tells me my vga my default monitor ( on the laptop) and tv connection ( video)
04:25<fxiny>now (do not paste gere) run gtf 1280 1024 75
04:25<fxiny>mike_: that's your modeline
04:26<fxiny>mike_: now gimme a sec , i'll paste a template
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04:28<fxiny>mike_: this is a template for gtf 1024 7368 85 > , use your values
04:28<mike_>ok so how do i do it?
04:28<mike_>juts drop it in
04:29<fxiny>mike_: that's for xorg.conf
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04:30<fxiny>mike_: you run gtf 1280 1024 75 , use your modeline edit >>>> ..._85 > _75
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04:31<mike_>lol how do i use the modeline ?
04:31<mike_>just set it in the command?
04:32<mike_>like gtf 1280 1024 _59 > _61
04:32<cahoot>mike_: totally off topic - but - you could consider living the 'lol's' out
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04:33<mike_>cahoot, i stick to them ive been asked to many times =P
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04:35<fxiny>mike_: xrandr tells you what is avaiable , gtf prints your modeline , you add your modeline to xorg.conf . easy
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04:39<mike_>ed it =P
04:39<mike_>thanks fxiny
04:39<fxiny>mike_: np
04:39<mike_>now to see if mplayer still crashes my xserv...
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04:42<mike_>hmm seems cool thanks fxiny seems to have fixed everything for me
04:42<phorce1>hmmm lcd need a much lower refresh rate than crt for acceptable display? My xrandr -q is 1440 900 53
04:42<Gekz>phorce1: LCD displays dont refresh in the same way
04:42<mike_>gekz what do you mean ?
04:43*phorce1 is used to old school trying to push CRT refresh as high as possible without blowing them up
04:43<Gekz>LCDs dont have the flush the entire screen 60 times a second
04:43<Gekz>have to*
04:43<Gekz>refresh per pixel, not screen
04:43<Gekz>if you turn down the hz on a CRT to about 50, you see flickering
04:43<mike_>hmm gekz interesting
04:43<Gekz>that's why you can take a photo of an LCD screen
04:43<Gekz>and not a CRT
04:43<Gekz>without seeing flickering
04:44<phorce1>xrandr offers 53/54/55 at 1440x900. Any benefit in bumping it up the one or two notches?
04:44<mike_>nope mplayer still causes the same prblem -.-
04:44<Gekz>phorce1: none
04:44<Gekz>dont worry about it
04:44<mike_>hmm looks liek im ust gonna use vlc from now on
04:45<fxiny>i don't know if there is a wiki for this xog set up thing , i've picked it up on the net , but i can't keep on pasting some pseudo-template on a paste bin :P . hope someone does it better :)
04:45*mike_ uninstalls mplayer......
04:45<Gekz>mike_: what's the probleM?
04:45<phorce1>Gekz: just a point of interest. I'm happy with the display. Will be happier when I get another arm so I can mount he other one and start using both.
04:45<mike_>for soem reason mplayer crashes my xserver
04:45<mike_>and takes my gui out lol i have to reboot to get it back
04:45<Gekz>whats the output say?
04:45<Gekz>have you tried using -vo sdl
04:46<cahoot>fxiny: the xorg section of debian wiki?
04:46<Gekz>instead of the default Xv
04:46<Gekz>because chances are your card hates Xv
04:46<fxiny>cahoot: yes ? lemme see
04:46<mike_>gekz can you explain im new to this
04:46<Gekz>mike_: well are you trying to load a video in mplayer?
04:46<Gekz>or a song
04:46<mike_>gekz not trying to it loads lol and plays but crashes on play back
04:46<Gekz>no I mean
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04:46<Gekz>which one are you trying
04:46<Gekz>video or music
04:47<Gekz>from command line try this
04:47<Gekz>mplayer -vo sdl <file>
04:47<Gekz>where <file> is the video
04:48<fxiny>cahoot: i'm looking for something quick , can't find anything
04:48<fxiny>cahoot: i mean : screen not detected > xrandr > gft > template
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04:49<fxiny>dunno if is the best thing but it seems working
04:49<mike_>gekz ok so its playing it
04:49<Gekz>mike_: without crashing?
04:49<Gekz>what graphics device do you have?
04:49<cahoot> II.6. Adding new modes
04:49<Gekz>and what version of Debian?
04:49<mike_>gekz if i have to leave the room you know i crashed haha
04:50<mike_>and im using an intel 945g and im on lenny
04:50<Gekz>so it should be using the intel driver
04:50<fxiny>cahoot: YES !
04:50<Gekz>mike_: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please?
04:50<Gekz>you'll need to open it as root
04:50<mike_>gex i know =D
04:50<mike_>and of course i can
04:51<Gekz>I assume no-one knows anything
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05:02<Gekz>in the debian installer
05:02<Gekz>is alt-f2 meant to move the window
05:02<azeem>Gekz: move where?
05:02<Gekz>the framebuffer screen
05:03<Gekz>it moves like a normal window
05:03<Gekz>when i press alt-f2
05:03<Gekz>in VMWare Fusion, anyway
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05:03<phorce1>I was about to say, sounds like something else is grabbing that keystroke
05:04<mike_>there gekz
05:04<Gekz>hi mike_
05:04<Gekz>did it crash?
05:04<mike_>it started to yeah
05:04<mike_>my screen jumps before it happens lol
05:04<mike_>soo i stopped it
05:04<Gekz>it hates you
05:05*phorce1 really needs to write out some good EBarf text to sell an unused DS2000 phone system. He needs the $$$ badly.
05:05<mike_>yeah like the rest of debian =P
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05:05<Gekz>I see you're using exa
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05:05<Gekz>you could possibly try forcing xaa and see if it likes that
05:05<mike_>yeah umm idk what that means gekz if its using it, it set itself to do so haha
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05:06<fxiny>phorce1: i think there are benefits in using the higher freq , less eye strain ?
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05:06<Gekz>mike_: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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05:07<fxiny>but it depends , some people can't stand neon lights for example
05:07<mike_>gekz im reallly fammiliar with that file lol
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05:07<Gekz>mike_: why lol
05:07<Gekz>mike_: xorg can run without one now
05:07<fxiny>so i believe an higher referesh freq can help
05:07<mike_>lol in etch i did work in it lol, and i had to add a refresh rate that worked with this monitor in lenny lol
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05:08<Gekz>maybe your computer is made of hate
05:08<fxiny>3 lol in a raw ? wt4x !
05:08<mike_>gekz wouldnt doubt it
05:08<Gekz>fxiny: it's an amusing situation
05:08<Gekz>it's the only way he can finish it without crying blood
05:08<fxiny>Gekz: ;)
05:08<Gekz>because if you dont laugh, you die
05:08<mike_>gekz every piece forged in hell with an over looking of dread and despair, yup says it righ ton the box =D
05:08<Gekz>mike_: so it's a Dell
05:08<phorce1>fxiny: (and Gekz ) it does actually appear to make the text a bit smoother on the LCD. My brain is wired for CRT where it takes a change of 10+ cycles to see a difference. Didn't think changing from 53 to 55 would be noticeable
05:08<mike_>gekz, even eviler an acer =P
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05:09<Gekz>mike_: oh snap
05:09<Gekz>Acer _is_ horrific
05:09<Gekz>purge yourself
05:09<mike_>gekz your telling me haha
05:09<mike_>i tried this pos on ubuntu
05:09<mike_>the advice they gave me there
05:09<mike_>"buy a new laptop" -.-
05:09<Gekz>its an Acer LAPTOP
05:09<mike_>but im suprised with debian 99.9
05:09<Gekz>you should have told me this from the beginning
05:10<Gekz>I'm going to tell you now: start saving for a new laptop
05:10<Gekz>because it will die
05:10<mike_>it has ive had it "fixed"
05:10<Gekz>hopefully the Core i7 gets put into laptop
05:10<fxiny>phorce1: it reminds me the way frames/movie work : by fooling our eye , but yes , definetly some people can have more problems then other
05:10<xingu_>phorce1: depends on connector-type; if you're connecting to the display with vga or dvi-a what you've got to appreciate is that on the far end of that is an adc turning your pretty little waveforms right back into quantitised samples
05:10<Gekz>you cant fix an Acer
05:10<Gekz>you can just fend off death temporarily
05:10<mike_>and when it came back and said wtf it has windows on it and they said " yeah its fixed"
05:10<mike_>so i put debian on it
05:11<Gekz>debian runs on anything
05:11<Gekz>especially things that hate it personally
05:11<xingu_>phorce1: and that guy has bandwidth limits; so you want to stay inside them - it's the whole package, width x height x colour depth x refresh rate
05:11<mike_>well this is shit with wheels so itll work great =D
05:11<Gekz>Debian on an EeePC is sexy
05:11<mike_>you know what gekz
05:11<xingu_>phorce1: or, chuck it in the bin, and get a display that is dvi-i, displayport, hdmi, whatever.
05:11<mike_>im running that command with mplayer again and it hasnt crashed yet
05:12<mike_>hasnt even jumped
05:12<Gekz>because I dont think your graphics set can handle Xv
05:12<mike_>what do i do to make it use this all the time?
05:12<Gekz>open ~/.mplayer/... something
05:12<mike_>well doesnt crash on vlc =P
05:12<Gekz>one moment
05:12<fxiny>Gekz: lol ? to quoque brutii ? :P
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05:12<Gekz>mike_: .mplayer/config
05:12<Gekz>put vo='sdl'
05:12<Gekz>I think
05:13<phorce1>xingu_: using the vga connector because this monitor is running through a KVM. I'll hook the second monitor to DVI (have to look to see if it's -i --- nVidia 8500) when I get a mount arm for it.
05:13<mike_>gekz, i can change vide output through the gui haha
05:14<mike_>lemme seeeee
05:14<Gekz>you can
05:14<mike_>yeh under video tab
05:14<mike_>well nah just the driver
05:14<xingu_>phorce1: _undershooting_ the adc's upper bound is only really going to create two problem areas; first, pixel stretching (which is ugly as hell on panel tech) if you're not running at the display's physical resolution (or if it's just a crap part and _decides_ you're not and scales anyway); and, pixel latency if you undershoot the display's responsiveness (typically spec sheet says something-ms response time)
05:14<mike_>oh well ill add that
05:15<Gekz>mike_: the video driver should be sdl
05:15<xingu_>phorce1: again cure for former is "just don't" - and use a digital interface.
05:15<mike_>gex im using gl2
05:15<xingu_>phorce1: try the comparison, you'll wonder why in hell it took you so long :)
05:15<mike_>geks there is no sdl option in here for me
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05:16<Gekz>mike_: orly
05:16<Gekz>you dont have sdl installed then
05:16<mike_>geks, yehrlly
05:17<Gekz>gl2 is fine
05:17<Gekz>as long as it works
05:17<mike_>geks =P
05:17<phorce1>xingu_: playing with it xrandr (and the nvidia setup tool) say I can use 53, 54, or 55Hz at 1440x900. 53 and 55 look pretty good. 54 looks like crap on toast.
05:17<Gekz>i'm saying I think Xv hates you
05:17<mike_>thats where the problem occurs haha
05:17<Gekz>then try Xv?
05:17<mike_>geks well than lets try something else =d
05:17<xingu_>phorce1: with a kvm in the mix - you've got another problem area; the kvm itself also imposes a signal bandwidth limit (unless it's completely passive in which case you'll just suffer attenuation across it)
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05:17<mike_>geks you said we could force something
05:18<mike_>since were worign with something that feeds on pure hate lets force it to work on something else =p
05:18<Gekz>install sdl stuff
05:18<mike_>aptitude install sdl?
05:18<Gekz>not quite
05:18<Gekz>one sec
05:18<xingu_>phorce1: typically the adc' is cycle-locked with mains in a great many designs (it's the easiest clock to recover); so pick the same refresh rate (50Hz or 60Hz) is usually a good starting point
05:19<phorce1>xingu_: video on the kvm is most likely passive, it's a cheap unit. Provides hot swap mouse/kb inputs but doesn't emulate video I don't think.
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05:19<Gekz>mike_: libsdl
05:20<xingu_>phorce1: ok in that case you'll get a better gamut when you eliminated it; in terms of colourspace with a passive component like that as you put your (relatively, in electrical terms) high bandwidth video components across a "just a dumb knob" switch you'll be hitting both inductive and resistive issues
05:20<mike_>gekz sayz no package found > ?
05:20<xingu_>phorce1: which will tend to compress the colourspace - adjacent red-values will blur into the same colour
05:21<mike_>typo on command line
05:21<mike_>itstalled it
05:21<mike_>changed it
05:21<Gekz>if that doesnt exist stil
05:21<Gekz>apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all
05:21<mike_>nah i got it
05:21<xingu_>phorce1: all of which means - eliminate this component and your display will look "clearer" - to the point where badly quantitised video fleshtones will look ugly (you'll see _all_ the contrast that can be recovered from the input on the pc side)
05:21<mike_>works so far =D
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05:21<Gekz>sdl runs on anything
05:21<Gekz>it's a little bit slower than Xv I think though
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05:22<phorce1>I'll be able to compare side-by-side when I get the second monito hooked to the DVI output. The monitors have nearly the same specs. One's an Acer and the other is a Hanns-G both 22" LCD
05:22<xingu_>phorce1: in terms of text modes - the whiter-than-white -> to -> blacker-than-black colourspace transition that's occurring in your terminals is _also_ "probably" getting blurred too; so your text font edges will sharpen drastically.
05:22<mike_>woaah removed my alsa lib
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05:23<Gekz>mike_: oh shit?
05:24<mike_>geks well i have sound so idont knwo yet haha
05:24<xingu_>phorce1: apologies if this is too much info, but I've had just enough time in this area to appreciate both the learning curve as well as the mechanics of what's going on
05:24<mike_>ill find out next reboot haha
05:24<xingu_>phorce1: don't worry, I'm not going to start preaching the (dubious) merits of monster cable
05:24<mike_>haha dubious is an awesome word
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05:25<Gekz>mike_: you really arent afraid of breaking your entire system, are you?
05:25<mike_>gekz, you learn that way
05:25<Gekz>I get tired of learning the hard way
05:25<mike_>gekz system - said file - = not working
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05:26<mike_>(lenny) - alsa = no sound
05:26<Gekz>then reinstall alsa
05:26<Gekz>use aptitude or whatever to find what you need
05:26<mike_>did allready haha
05:26<mike_>brbr drink time
05:27*phorce1 has a xBox --> HDTV cable made by Monster. And some USB cables (that he paid about $3 each for) that say in really big letters how THESE CABLES WILL MAKE YOUR USB EXTERNAL DRIVES WORK BETTER!!!!
05:28<Gekz>HDMI cables
05:28<Gekz>why are they so expernsive
05:28<Gekz>please tell me.
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05:28*xingu_ has off the rack stuff that was specifically selected for low price points, desired connector type at both ends, and ready availability
05:28<jurg>Gekz: For the same reason they sell $500 ethernet-cables. People are idiots.
05:28<phorce1>(The USB cables should also include the disclaimer that THE SERIOUSLY BRIGHT FLASHING BLUE LIGHT WILL ANNOY THE CRAP OUT OF YOU!!!)
05:28<cahoot>Gekz: they attract users prepared to pay a lot for such
05:28<xingu_>Gekz: low production volume + license for connector (it's patented)
05:29<Gekz>patents ruin the world.
05:29<Gekz>why companies are so quick to supported patented bullshit never ceases to amaze me
05:29*phorce1 bought the $3 Monster USB cables to stick out on the display rack with a $15 price tag.
05:29<jurg>What? Are you telling me it isnt productive to give out patents on linked lists nowadays? Crap.
05:30<jurg>(Which is a patent MS got a few years ago)
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05:30<xingu_>forget the cable; the trick is to firstly eliminate as many dac<->adc stages as you can in the interconnect (least spend v greatest benefit) then eliminate the total number of interconnects end to end
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05:30<xingu_>the rest of it is mostly horseshit designed to sell needful things to the unwary
05:31<mike_>dude hellboy 2 blows -.-
05:31<Gekz>xingu_: is there any advantage of using a HDMI cable from my monitor to my 9800GT?
05:31<xingu_>so trivially, video card<->vendor-supplied-dvi-hdmi-dongle<->hdmi<->panel
05:31<Gekz>instead of a DVI cable?
05:31<jurg>Gekz: HDMI = DVI + sound, so no.
05:31<xingu_>Gekz: yes; lpcm audio
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05:31<xingu_>Gekz: mux'd digital audio
05:31<Gekz>how does this help me
05:32<Gekz>and doesnt lpcm audio require a sound card that doesnt suck?
05:32<phorce1>xingu_: /me "gets it". The guy that works for me thinks I'm nuts because I cut and solder all of the cables in my car stereo to exact lengths instead of using off-the-shelf slip-on connectors
05:32<xingu_>Gekz: on the same connector; otherwise you get to run another lead for either sp/dif fibre or coax
05:32<mike_>geks, more sources of hate to your pc?
05:32<Gekz>mike_: haha
05:32<mike_>never have enough pure hate eh,
05:33<xingu_>Gekz: nope; the nvidia video cards have a sp/dif<->hdmi bridge; the ati's have their own audio chip onboard.
05:33<mike_>geks hence why i bought the acer
05:33<Gekz>xingu_: I noticed that my card has a cable that I didnt use
05:33<Gekz>which the manual says is sp/dif
05:33<xingu_>Gekz: that's what it's for.
05:33<Gekz>but I had no idea where to connect it to
05:33<Gekz>so I didnt connect it
05:33<mike_>lol so what 2 days ago i realized i had an svideo input i was like wtf?
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05:34<xingu_>Gekz: if you're lucky your system board will have a sp/dif header; if not, literally just loop the connectors onto an rca jack and connect it to your digital output.
05:34<Gekz>xingu_: I still fail to understand how this helps me however
05:34<Gekz>my monitor doesnt have speakers
05:34<xingu_>Gekz: the latter looks a little frankenstein but it's a low digital connect anyway - mostly irrelevant. :)
05:34<Gekz>and my 5.1 connects to the sockets
05:34<xingu_>Gekz: oh, fair enough
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05:34<Gekz>sockets on my onboard ac97 sound
05:35<Gekz>I want an X-Fi Xtreme
05:35<Gekz>they're like $50
05:35<mike_>lol im on alptop
05:35<mike_>so yeah shitty usb for me
05:36<xingu_>Gekz: there's not much difference apart from that dvi-d v hdmi; there is a difference between dvi-a and hdmi though...
05:36<mike_>brb rebooting
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05:36<phorce1>alptop sounded cooler ..... MUCH cooler inwintertime
05:36<xingu_>Gekz: and, some panels are braindamaged enough to go for dvi-a if dvi-i is in-use.
05:37<Gekz>xingu_: tell me the difference
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05:37<xingu_>Gekz: dvi-d avoids the card's dac and the panel's adc stages.
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05:38<Gekz>I dont know what either of those things are
05:38<Gekz>I'm a software guy
05:38<mike_>ok so all my problems are null and void
05:38<Gekz>and any time I've looked up cables and such, the internet FUDs me
05:38<Gekz>mike_: due to SDL/
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05:38<mike_>geks appears so
05:38<Gekz>I learnt this lesson on a VIA board
05:39<mike_>haha sweet
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05:40*mike_ packs his bowl cranks the music
05:40<mike_>anyone want some?
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05:40<Gekz>mike_: you can pay the usual fee to my account
05:40<Gekz>you know the one./
05:40<mike_>geks the one in the apls?
05:40<Gekz>no, the paypal one
05:40<mike_>ah ok
05:40<Gekz>the one under the name Generic Scumbucket
05:41<Gekz>god, I wish I had 5 euro right now lol
05:41<mike_>gekz im just as poor -.-
05:42<mike_>just ,ade my first school payment
05:42<mike_>school + car + rent + girl friend = broke
05:43<Gekz>my girlfriend gives me money
05:43<mike_>you can check my math but im sure thats right =P
05:43<mike_>you lucky bastard
05:43<Gekz>she also hates gifts
05:43<mike_>yeah mine bitches about the dates haha insist she pays but idk i wont lett her
05:44<mike_>ill let her buy me taco bell though =D
05:44<Gekz>I let her pay her own way
05:44<Gekz>I let her pay for certain things
05:44<Gekz>like pie
05:44<Gekz>I like pie
05:44<paistis>my girlfriend use mac
05:44<mike_>taco bell is up there with pie for me
05:44<Gekz>I bought her a $200 camera however
05:44<Gekz>so i'm in front once again
05:45<mike_>a nice grilled stuffed burrito with the usual 25 fire sauces mmmm
05:45*mike_ licks lips
05:45<Gekz>we dont have Taco Bell
05:45<mike_>do you have fed ex?
05:45<mike_>you have to try some taco bell
05:45<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
05:46<paistis>tacos are like the best food in the world
05:46<cahoot>please cool it
05:46<mike_>cahoot, sorry
05:46<mike_>cahoot, ill make up for it with less lol's
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05:47<mike_>paistis, no playin the grande meal at taco bell = the shit
05:47<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
05:48<paistis>mike_: you just have to know howto eat it
05:48<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
05:48<mike_>well see i "lol" because i did use aol -.-
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05:48<metalqga>read the man pages
05:49<Gekz>Australia doesnt have Taco Bell
05:49<mike_>what makes you assume im a man ?
05:49<Gekz>your name
05:49<paistis> should we move this convertaton to #debian-offtopic?
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05:50<Gekz>people ask questions, I'll answer them
05:50<Gekz>it's not hard to read through the light off-topicness
05:50*fxiny thinks GekzS dont't gie a xxxx for offtopic :P
05:51<fxiny>Gekz: wt4x :P
05:52<mike_>heh sweet dark knights almost done
05:52<metalqga>btw I cant live without dpkg (can we have dpkg in debian-offtopic?
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05:52<mike_>good point dpkg is awesome
05:52<paistis>dpkg join
05:53<mike_>aXXo and FXG are the bomb =D
05:54<fxiny>lasagna is the bomb : gonna check it :P
05:54<mike_>fxiny haha wtf?
05:54<mike_>save me some!
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05:55<fxiny>not even a coredump :P
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05:56<mike_>so has anyone had any major bugs with lenny?
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05:57<paistis>the ati driver and radeon 9600 pro
05:57<mike_>i mean it seems to run fine to me i mean its a toss up some of my video worked better in etch ( fixed all them problems?, but i have better wireless, sd card support, better sound, better webcam, so yeah over all better support in lenny
05:58<mike_>lol im on a shitty intel haha
05:58<metalqga>paistis I have the same problem :D
05:58<paistis>it's seems that drm broke everytime when i update xorg and i haveto build them manualy
05:58<metalqga>cant write today!!!! instead of ' I press enter!!
05:58<mike_>haha its ok
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05:59<mike_>now to figure out why my opera moves so slow
06:00<paistis>there might be workround for the ati problem, make a fake xserver-xorg-video-ati package and put the version number 9999.999 or something like that
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06:12<daMull>I got a problem with samba in lenny ..
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06:13<daMull>it won't start, cause it obviously fails to bind the network interface
06:13<daMull>If I start it some seconds after the init processes, everything works fine
06:13<dutchfish>daMull, is nmbd correctly loading?
06:14<daMull>dutchfish: yes
06:14<dutchfish>daMull, then trace your smb.conf
06:14<daMull>I moved it to S99 .. but that didn't help
06:14<dutchfish>daMull, dont
06:15<dutchfish>daMull, how many nics on this box?
06:15<daMull>two, but only one connected
06:15<daMull>samba binds to one
06:15<dutchfish>daMull, so you prolly need eth1 or simular?
06:16<daMull>dutchfish: didn't quite understand the last sentence
06:16<daMull>samba should bind to eth0
06:16<dutchfish>daMull, curent CIFS expects only 1 interface, make a static tap/tun and create a bridge or make routing rules
06:17<dutchfish>daMull, or ...
06:17<dutchfish>daMull, configure smb.conf
06:17<daMull>and eth0 is the only one that is configured by etc/network/interfaces
06:17<dutchfish>daMull, you should not use in your config
06:17<daMull> interfaces = eth0 bind interfaces only = Yes
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06:18<daMull>^^that has been working on this machine with etch for years
06:18<dutchfish>daMull, 2nd: check udev persistent net rules, maybe they are fxx this up
06:18<daMull>if I give the network layer some time to settle it works
06:19<dutchfish>daMull, at the top of my head the 70xxx rule
06:19<daMull>booting in to init 1 then manually do a init 2
06:19<dutchfish>daMull, that should notmather, nmbd wait till link comes up
06:20<dutchfish>daMull, what net driver is loaded?
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06:20<dutchfish>daMull, i had some issues myself with e1000
06:20<daMull>udev rules seem ok as far as I can tell
06:21<dutchfish>daMull, double check it that they point to the rigth phys device!
06:21<daMull>forcedeth for eth0 and skge for eth1
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06:22<daMull>macs are also ok
06:22<dutchfish>daMull, can you check what happens when you blacklist the device wich is down?
06:22<dutchfish>daMull, what does dmesg tells you?
06:23<dutchfish>daMull, and what does ls -la /dev/.udev/failed lists?
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06:24<daMull>a huge list of pci devices
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06:25<daMull>i just discovered something strange: eth0 has a IPv6 adress
06:25<dutchfish>daMull, houston we have a hardware problem or hitting the wall by a udev bug (i am investigating this myself) lenny amd64 latest
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06:26<dutchfish>daMull, can you disable IPv6 for now, it matters (related to udev)
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06:27<dutchfish>daMull, this is related to 2.6.26-1 as well
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06:27<daMull>I got a vanilla 2.6.28 running
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06:28<daMull>but the problem has been there right after install .. so I can confirm it with 2.6.26
06:28<dutchfish>daMull, did the same thing, so 2.6.28 does solve some udev pnp issues it does not solve the rgaving udev issues
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06:28<dutchfish>daMull, the same with
06:29<daMull>I just discovered that the samba error reports the IPv6 adress
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06:29<dutchfish>daMull, yes, try disabling IPv6 for now
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06:30<dutchfish>daMull, if possible go back to 2.6.26-1 and try to narrow it down
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06:30<daMull>how can I prevent ipv6 module loading?
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06:31<daMull>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
06:31<dutchfish>daMull, can you pastebin dmesg and ls -la /dev/.udev/failed please?
06:31<dutchfish>daMull, yes
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06:32<dutchfish>daMull, if possible a short discription of your platform (i am collecting those)
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06:32<daMull>just a sec
06:32<dutchfish>daMull, ok, no hurry
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06:37<dutchfish>daMull, can you reboot the system with kernel line edd=off ?
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06:37<stuc>I'm trying to connect to a wireless router with wpasupplicant. Im seeing an error message that says 4 way handshake failed pre shared kez maz be incorrect. CTRL EVENT DISCONNECTED Disconnect event remove keys
06:37<dutchfish>daMull, and again take a look at the failed udev statements
06:37<daMull>jupp I'll do it in a sec
06:38<daMull>the blacklist file is the right place to disable ipv6?
06:38<stuc>Could anyone offer me some help?
06:38<dutchfish>daMull, no, i believe its syscrtl
06:38<dutchfish>daMull, not sure so (i forogot how)
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06:44<MuH4hA>Hey! I encrypted my home-partition and want it to mount using pam_mount. When I try to login with kdm I get the Message: "Could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation" Could somebody please help me?
06:44<stuc>Hello im having trouble connecting to a wireless router... Im running debian lenny and Ive been able to connect to a wpa encryzpted network before but now that im trying another one im having some trouble. When I run wpasupplicant in verboss mode I see an error message that szas 4 way handshake failed...pre shared keys may be incorrect. Does this mean the password I have is not correct? Could anyone offer me some help?
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06:45<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
06:45<dutchfish>stuc, that or either one is using WPA2 and the other WPA
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06:46<dutchfish>stuc, some routers burp when both wpa/wpa2 are enabled, try to choose just 1
06:46<stuc>what do you mean when both wpa wpa2 are enabled?
06:46<stuc>How do I choose just one?
06:47<dutchfish>stuc, check router wich protocol can be used, either WPA or WPA2
06:47<daMull>dutchfish:rebooting ..
06:47<dutchfish>stuc, not both
06:47<stuc>when i run iwlist scan i think it shows up both
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06:47<stuc>okay but how do I select just wpa to be used?
06:47<dutchfish>stuc, config wpasuplicant arcondingly (mapage)
06:48<stuc>okay im going to go try that... be right back
06:49<dutchfish>stuc, i dont know much about wireless driver so
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06:50<daMull>ok ipv6 disabled, problem persists
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06:50<dutchfish>daMull, and failed udev rules?
06:51<dutchfish>daMull, edd=off?
06:51<daMull>(switched to stock 2.6.26-1 with edd=off
06:51<dutchfish>daMull, mmm...
06:51<daMull>/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda6 ro edd=off quiet vga=794
06:51<daMull>that was the grub line
06:51<dutchfish>daMull, ok
06:52<daMull>I pastebin the failed udev rules in a second
06:52<dutchfish>daMull, stupid thing how does your routing table look like?
06:53<daMull>pretty straightforward
06:53<daMull>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
06:53<daMull> * U 0 0 0 eth0
06:53<daMull>default UG 0 0 0 eth0
06:53<daMull>the eth0 link is up and running
06:54<daMull>but samba says:
06:54<daMull>[2009/01/18 11:51:01, 0] lib/interface.c:load_interfaces(543)
06:54<daMull> WARNING: no network interfaces found
06:54<daMull>[2009/01/18 11:51:02, 0] smbd/server.c:open_sockets_smbd(548)
06:54<daMull> open_sockets_smbd: No sockets available to bind to.
06:54<dutchfish>daMull, i assume you tried already bind interfaces only = true in smb.conf
06:55<fxiny>is debhelper off ?
06:55<daMull>yes, samba is set to bind interfaces only and interfaces = eth0
06:55<dutchfish>fxiny, if you mean about paste, he did it ouside timeframe
06:56<fxiny>dutchfish: i see
06:56<daMull>now I can start smbd without problem
06:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:56<dutchfish>fxiny, thx
06:56<fxiny>dutchfish: np
06:57<daMull>failed udev rules :
06:57<dutchfish>daMull, and is also in?
06:57<daMull>in route?
06:57<dutchfish>daMull, no, smb.conf
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06:58<dutchfish>daMull, as you can see with edd=off there are less fails
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06:58<daMull>yep, I have no floppy connected to the box
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06:58<dutchfish>daMull, oh ic
06:59<daMull>ok .. gotta got .. I'll comeback later
06:59<dutchfish>daMull, good luck
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07:14<fxiny>no mercy :P
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08:29<fxiny>barnes: thanx for the firebug flash crashing :P
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08:37<abrotman>!tell swo about away
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08:39<swo>abrotman: i removed the button for that right now
08:39<swo>it was just a mistake
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08:42<fxiny>too late : the satellite has your coordinates . blizzard spell casted :P
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08:43<fxiny>cydork: oi !
08:46<cydork>fxiny: arrrr!
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08:53<NoFub>Hi. What exactly is "stable proposed updates"? Is it a waiting queue for security fixes to stable?
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08:55<NoFub>Im asking because of this:
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08:55<NoFub>2.2-2etch1 contains a security fix
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08:56<abrotman>that doesn't mean it was serious
08:57<abrotman>NoFub: you can use those packages if you want, it's not a severe security issue (guess i should have noted that) ..
08:58<NoFub>ah, ok
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08:59<abrotman>NoFub: if you look at the contents of that CVE .. what is it?
08:59<stuckey>Im having trouble connecting to a wireless network... Could anyone offer me some help?
08:59<NoFub>Ah, it mentions severity medium
09:00<stuckey>Ive taken the password that I was given, and run the wpa_passphrase program with it to get the psk, and then I put that into my wpaconfig file... but when I run wpa I just get this error that says the pre shared key may be incorrect....
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09:01<NoFub>stuckey: Have you tried using the unobfuscated password?
09:01<stuckey>im sorry... what is unobfuscated???
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09:02<Pepper>stuckey: the input of wpa_passphrase
09:02<NoFub>stuckey: Not running the password through wpa_passphrase. You can either put the actual password OR the psk into the config file, see wpa_supplicant.conf(5)
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09:03<stuckey>Oh I see... I read the wpa_supplicant.conf but didnt see anything that said that this was optional... When should one use wpa_passphrase and when should one not?
09:03<stuckey>NoFub... Yes Ive tried it obfuscated.
09:03<Pepper>stuckey: maybe you are using the wrong communication standard? WPA WPA2 WEP?
09:04<NoFub>stuckey: Use wpa_passphrase so nobody can shoulder-surf the password
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09:04<stuckey>Pepper... I read the examples in the /usr/share/wpa_supplicant/examples folder
09:04<stuckey>and Im using the one that says WPA-1
09:04<stuckey>Pepper... because when I run iwlist scan the network I am trzing to connect to shows up as wpa, not wpa2
09:05<NoFub>stuckey: I'm confused. Did you try the clear text password in the config file?
09:05<stuckey>NoFub... Im sorry, I dont believe I have... what is this?
09:06<stuckey>Oh you mean, use the cleartex.conf in usr/share/wpa*/examples ?
09:06<NoFub>Just remove the psk line, and add password="whatever_you_were_told"
09:07<stuckey>NoFub... Im going to go try that... moment.
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09:09<stuckey>NoFub... I added that into the wpa_supplicant.conf, then ran 'reconfigure' in wpa_cli and it says it failed to read the wpa_supplicant.conf file.
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09:09<stuckey>NoFub... Should I be using the cleartext.conf file or could I have just edited the one I had?
09:09<NoFub>stuckey: please paste relevant part of file, without actual psk or password here:
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09:10<NoFub>Just continue using the file you have
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09:14<stuckey>NoFub thanks
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09:15<NoFub>stuckey: I do hope that isn't your real password in there ^^
09:15<petern>in the gui lenny installer, the tasksel chooser doesn't give any guide to what 'desktop environment' means
09:15<NoFub>stuckey: You need quotes for the password
09:15<stuckey>NoFub.... umm... why? would that be bad if it were
09:16<stuckey>NoFub... Yeah I just tried it with " quotes
09:16<NoFub>stuckey: You should make a habit of not telling passwords to anybody, even if they aren't that important
09:16<stuckey>I see
09:16<stuckey>okay I tried it with the quotes but Im getting the same error
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09:17<NoFub>stuckey: Strange. Could you restart wpa_supplicant?
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09:18<stuckey>NoFub... how should I restart it? with wpa_cli reconfigure, or killall ?
09:18<NoFub>Just kill it
09:18<stuckey>for example "killall -HUP wpa_supplicant"?
09:18<stuckey>okay I just ran that command
09:19<stuckey>Do I need to manually restart it or, shoudn't that command bring it back up?
09:19<NoFub>Now, does it still complain about the file?
09:20<stuckey>okay yeah it didnt resest because it couldn't read the file...
09:20<petern>so what does 'desktop environment' install? gnome, kde, or osmething?
09:20<NoFub>I'm not sure how it reacts to HUP
09:20<petern>Gekz :D
09:20<stuckey>NoFub, it tells it to reset... but it didn't in this case because it failed to read the file.
09:20<Pepper>stuckey: just use without -HUP
09:20<stuckey>petern... it installed gnome
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09:20<petern>ah ha
09:20<petern>thank you
09:21<stuckey>petern try desktop-essential... or something like that, its better
09:21<stuckey>NoFub, yes it still fails to read the file.
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09:24<Pepper>stuckey: which editor were you using for editing the conf-file?
09:24<stuckey>Pepper.. gedit
09:24<NoFub>stuckey: Oh, I'm sorry. You still need to use psk instead of password
09:25<stuckey>NoFub... it now says pre shred may be incorrect..
09:25<stuckey>4-way handshake failed...
09:25<stuckey>(that's coming from wpa_cli)
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09:27<NoFub>stuckey: Then the only thing I can think of is you have the wrong password
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09:28<stuckey>NoFub... okay that's what Im thiniking to. The people who gave me the password dont' know a thying about it
09:28<stuckey>they've got windows computers that are configured by an admin to work with the router
09:28<stuckey>the router also uses pppoe, which I'm not familiar with but which I have read functions simply by running "pppoeconf" which I now have installed.
09:28<stuckey>NoFub... Im using a computer now that's connect to this router... is there anyway of extracting the password from it? \
09:30<NoFub>stuckey: Windows? Maybe, but I don't know how
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09:30<NoFub>stuckey: Try somewhere inside the network settings
09:30<stuckey>oh I've no idea how to use windows... I'm too afraid of breaking it.
09:31<stuckey>I hear there isn't an root account on windows, is that right?
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09:31<metalqga>all accounts are root?
09:31<stuckey>so strange
09:31<NoFub>stuckey: Yes and no. Depending on version, you can cut down on users rights
09:32<NoFub>However, sometimes software won't work unless you have the rights of an admin
09:32<stuckey>this is that vista thing, I think
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09:32<NoFub>stuckey: No, ever since NT4
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09:34<stuckey>Would it be possible NoFub, to use this computer, which is connected to the router, to disble the password in the router?
09:34<metalqga>if you know the router's pass
09:34<NoFub>stuckey: If the router has a webinterface, and you know where
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09:34<NoFub>(the interface is)
09:35<stuckey>I tried to do this earlier and someone on here told me it wasn't possible because the router isn't set to "nat mode"
09:35<metalqga>most prolly or 0.0 by default
09:35<stuckey>They're using PPPoE
09:35<NoFub>stuckey: Where exactly is "here"? A mid to big company, or something smaller?
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09:36<stuckey>on this channel, #debian on
09:36<NoFub>stuckey: Oh, wron phrasing. Where is that network you are trying to get on?
09:36<stuckey>A small house in southern Germany
09:37<NoFub>Open a console (choose run from Start Menu, enter "cmd")
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09:38<stuckey>NoFub... it's all written in German... is there a shortcut key to the command line
09:38<stuckey>okay im there
09:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 374] by debhelper
09:39<NoFub>now say ipconfig
09:39<farof>Hi everybody
09:39<NoFub>Can you figure out the box's Ip adress from this?
09:39<Pepper>stuckey: start-ausführen: cmd
09:40<farof>looking for help on pam (mkhomedir module)
09:40<stuckey>NoFub... okay now what
09:40<NoFub>stuckey: You did the ipconfig thing?
09:40<NoFub>What's the IP
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09:40<stuckey>i see several numbers that are formated liek ip addresses...
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09:41<Pepper>stuckey: in the form of 10.0.0.* ?
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09:41<NoFub>stuckey: Try the one that has "IP Adress" in front of it :-)
09:41<stuckey>I see Ipv4-Adresse under PPP-Adapter, then under LAN-Adapter Drahtlosnetzwerkverbindung I see IPv4-Adresse also
09:41<NoFub>Oh dear. Could you paste this as well?
09:41<stuckey>it won't let me copy and paste from this command termainl
09:42<NoFub>Then give me both Ipv4-Addresse
09:42<NoFub>stuckey: As well as anything that says gateway
09:43<stuckey> (listed as IPv4 Address), Standardgateway, (listed as ipv4)
09:45<NoFub>stuckey: I'm confused. This doesn't look like a small home network at all
09:46<stuckey>yeah well this is Germany, they try to make things as complicated as possible.
09:46<Pepper>NoFub: looks like its PPPoe without nat. so a second computer would not work.
09:46<NoFub>Pepper: Why the two public ones?
09:46<stuckey>Pepper, that's what someone else told me earlier. But these people say they use two computers at the same time.
09:46<NoFub>stuckey: Windows has something called "connection sharing", essentially NAT for Windows
09:47<stuckey>Okay so what does that mean?
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09:47<stuckey>Please dont' tell me that this means that some idiot has produced an internet connect that won't work with Linux.
09:47<NoFub>stuckey: That I don't even know where the Access Point is located, much less how to use it
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09:48<NoFub>stuckey: It doesn't mean that, I just can't tell you how to
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09:48<stuckey>NoFub, okay so where would you go from here? Assume that you've been given the wrong password?
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09:49<Pepper>stuckey: you could try to reset the access-point. with possible even more problems.
09:49<NoFub>stuckey: Asking the admin, as a last resort trying to brute force the password
09:49<stuckey>I tried pressing he reset button on the router, nothing changed.
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09:49<Pepper>stuckey: power off, press, power on. (you need to connect it wired to a compute to configure it again)
09:49<stuckey>I'm going to be taling with the admin tonight
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09:50<stuckey>NoFub, how do you brute force the password?
09:50<Pepper>stuckey: try to get a manual from the internet.
09:50<stuckey>Pepper, so disconnect the power, press the button, then reconnect the power?
09:50<NoFub>stuckey: Well, you use a programm that keeps guessing until it gets it right
09:50<stuckey>wow, that could take somet ime.
09:51<Pepper>stuckey: first try to get a manual for your access point
09:52<Pepper>stuckey: but be warned:
09:52<Pepper>if the provider put some magic into it to work with your connection, it might be gone after that....
09:53<stuckey>Well it isn't working for menow...
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09:53<stuckey>I found something about this router on the net
09:53<NoFub>stuckey: Link?
09:54<Pepper>stuckey: you got only one router or one router and one AP?
09:54<stuckey> NoFub
09:54<stuckey>Pepper: I've got one router, that's it.
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09:55<stuckey>NoFub, I'm not exactly sure that they're recommending... does it make sense to you?
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09:56<NoFub>stuckey: is that what you have?
09:56<stuckey>Yep, tha'ts it.
09:56<stuckey> there's something else
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10:00<NoFub>stuckey: That box you are using, is it connected via cable or via WLAN?
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10:01<stuckey>NoFub I'm conected to this router with this computer via WLAN...
10:01<stuckey>NoFub, they told me no one has ever tried connecting to the router with ethernet cables.
10:02<stuckey>Pepper, is this model sufficiently similar to the one I have to use this manual?
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10:03<Pepper>stuckey: at least the reset procedure I hope ....
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10:03<stuckey>I tried using the ip address that it gives for the router default, and it didn't work.
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10:04<stuckey>I tried it in the webbrowser, which re direted me to google search (how cute),and then in that windows run box
10:06<Pepper>stuckey: I don't know which special configuration might be lost (like VPI.VCI). so it might not be a good idea to reset.
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10:08<Pepper>stuckey: so reset might also disconnect the other two computers ...
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10:08<stuckey>i just found a box but i don't think it has a manual in it
10:09<Pepper>maybe on cd (pdf)
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10:10<stuckey>NoFub, did that website I gave make sense to you?
10:10<stuckey>Pepper, unfortunately there isn't one.
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10:10<NoFub>stuckey: From what I have gathered so far, it don't looks like it won't work (the bit about a single PPPoE license)
10:11<stuckey>Pepper, okay so I'm reading something here that says you have to set a static ip....
10:11<petern>odd, qjackctl does not depend on jackd :o
10:11<Pepper>found another one: There is no webinterface because the Sphairon Turbolink IAD is not a router!
10:11<stuckey>Pepper, but it give sthe address to get to the router configuration here, but why can't I access it from my browser on this computer? That doesn't make any sese...
10:12<Pepper>looks wrong. no wireless....
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10:13<NoFub>petern: Why should it? Jack could be on a different PC
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10:14<stuckey>Pepper: No I'm reading something here that talking about how to get into the router configuration page....
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10:15<NoFub>stuckey: "he Sphairon Turbolink IAD is not a router! It's just configured as a bridge,"
10:15<NoFub>stuckey: More bad news...
10:16<stuckey>NoFub: you're sure it's the same... this is the turbolink IADWLAN...
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10:17<NoFub>stuckey: That just says it's the WLAN version
10:17<stuckey>okay, so what's the bad news?
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10:18<NoFub>stuckey: You very very likely won't get your box to connect
10:18<stuckey>NoFub: How do you figure that?
10:18<NoFub>stuckey: I even don't have an idea how the second windows box connects
10:18<stuckey>NoFub: I mean at the worst, I can call the company, right?
10:18<Pepper>did you read this? :
10:18<NoFub>stuckey: No web interface, no company support for more than one PC (it seems)
10:19<stuckey>Pepper: Yep, that's what I have in front of me.
10:19<stuckey>NoFub: You've got to be kidding me... no company support for more than one pc... well I guess I'm going to have to order new service.
10:20<NoFub>stuckey: One thing to try, if you've got a network cable
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10:20<stuckey>Yep, you mean an ethernet cable? I have one
10:21<petern>NoFub, jack supports that? hmm!
10:21<NoFub>Connect your PC to this thingy, give your self something an ip like and try to open the web page at
10:21<NoFub>petern: I guess, the web site says so
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10:23<stuckey>NoFub: How do I give myself the ip?
10:23<ryks>i have a problem in linux and i don t know how to resolve
10:24<NoFub>stuckey: ifconfig eth0
10:24<NoFub>stuckey: IF eth0 is you ethernet card
10:24<NoFub>ryks: We don't know your problem but know how to resolve that ;-)
10:25<ryks>i just install a dvd knoppix live on my comp dual core
10:25<ryks>but i cannot have the right to use the partitions
10:25<ryks>it s says
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10:25<ryks>canno t find it ..............
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10:26<ryks>could not mount device
10:26<stuckey>NoFub, okay I'm giving that a shot now.
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10:26<ryks>no medium found
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10:27<ryks>the other partition is in ntfs
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10:28<ryks>eny sugesstions please ?
10:29<eisberg>I try to mount my old linux fs in /dev/sda5. On Windows I`ve a tool that mount this filesystem. On the partition /etc/fstab there is a entry /dev/sda5 for the root partition. None Debian Installdisk nor Knoppix can mount it. Knoppix found just sda1 and 2 (the other 2/3 partitions) how can I mount the third one
10:29<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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10:30<eisberg>can anyone help
10:31<ryks>well if you know
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10:31<ryks>it is posible to install iy
10:31<ryks>i did
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10:31<ryks>so is not live now
10:34<NoFub>ryks, eisberg: I think both of you would profit from reading and it's subchapters
10:34<eisberg>NoFub, I try so.
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10:37<ryks>i think it was a problem on the dvd
10:37<ryks>not very good burn ...........
10:37<ryks>because on the grub i have a large list of failures
10:37<ryks>passig tru
10:38<NoFub>ryks: Then please, try with a good DVD
10:38<ryks>first i will take a large cup of coffee
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10:39<stuckey>NoFuB: Progress! Im in the router configuration website
10:39<stuckey>noFub: But I dont have the password... however, it told me what to do if you dont have the password... that is, how to reset the modem...
10:40<eisberg>NoFub, thanks, the manual show me, that I'm not crazy. fdisk -l show me the lost partition. But there are no devicefile for sda5 in /dev ! Just sda, sda1 and sda2.
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10:43<NoFub>stuckey: Try no password at all
10:44<NoFub>eisberg: What is the line from fdisk?
10:44<stuckey>NoFub: didn't work
10:44<NoFub>stuckey: Then try the password you were given
10:44<stuckey>NoFub: I tried that too, and everything else I could find laying around.
10:45<NoFub>stuckey: Oh, try "user"
10:45<eisberg>NoFub, /dev/sda5 2551 9728 57657285 5 Extended
10:46<stuckey>NoFub: no luck
10:46<NoFub>stuckey: Then I give up. Sorry :-/
10:46<stuckey>well you've been a great help
10:46<stuckey>Im going to reset this piece of shit
10:47<eisberg>How can I create a devciefile for a partition?
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10:47<cahoot>is there any partition inside sda5?
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10:47<stuckey>Does anyone know how I can change my keyboard layout to german from the command line?
10:48<cahoot>in x?
10:48<stuckey>NoFub: I want to try some other password but I need a german keyboard to do it; do you know how to change it from the command line?
10:48<stuckey>cahot: okay I can do it from x if you tell me how to set the date from the command line.
10:48<NoFub>stuckey: öäüß. Does copy'n'paste help?
10:48<stuckey>(the manual page for date doesn't describe this)
10:48<cahoot>date -s
10:49<stuckey>NoFub: haha, I wish I could copy from one cmputer to the other
10:49<stuckey>cahoot: you're missing the format
10:49<NoFub>eisberg: /dev/sda5 is only a container, not a partition in itself
10:49<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
10:50<fxiny>relax :P
10:50<stuckey>Thanks fxiny :)
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10:50<stuckey>So I just type in loadkeys to change it?
10:50<eisberg>NoFub, container of what? How can I access it?
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10:50<NoFub>eisberg: Container of partitions. /dev/sda5 does not exist because it would be useless
10:51<fxiny>sda5 ? could it be the extended ?
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10:51<fxiny>you can't mount that
10:51<eisberg>NoFub, cause the container is empty?
10:52<eisberg>do you have a link to a description of "container" door that context?
10:52<stuckey>fxiny: so how do I change to a german keyboard again? I don't understand...
10:53<cahoot>eisberg: use cfdisk to create one or more partitions inside sda5
10:54<NoFub>eisberg: Basically, if anything is inside this container, it gets a device file
10:54<eisberg>cahoot, there must be already an partition inside sda5. I've load the partition in windows with the linux2win tool
10:54<eisberg>I can access the files in that
10:55<fxiny>stuckey: dpkg-reconfigure console-data ?
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10:57<NoFub>Well, I gotta run. Good luck, stuckey and eisberg
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10:57<fxiny>eisberg: your paste shows it : is an extended >>> ... Extended
10:57<stuckey>fxiny: I went threw and selected "select form arch" but it didn't list German as a possibiity
10:58<stuckey>fxiny: I just need a U umlout... is it possible to produce that without reconfiguring?
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10:58<fxiny>stuckey: what locales are you using ?
10:58<stuckey>Thanks NoFub
10:58<stuckey>fxiny: it's us american
10:59<eisberg>fxiny, perhaps the partition in sda5 is defect. how can I repair it? I know the filesystem ist ext3
10:59<fxiny>stuckey: too genreic : is it en_US.ISO-8859-15 ?
10:59<stuckey>fxiny: how could I find this out?
10:59<fxiny>stuckey: type locale
11:00<valdyn>eisberg: change its type id
11:00<fxiny>eisberg: a lost partition ? can be recovered with gpart , apt-cache show gpart
11:00<valdyn>eisberg: but you should show the complete partition table someone who has a clue first..
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11:01<stuckey>en_US.UTF.8 fxiny
11:02<stuckey>Oh sorry that should be "en_US.UTF-8" fxiny
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11:03<fxiny>stuckey: no idea if us* locales supports U umlout , try switching to german locales or wait for a german user to tell you more
11:03<stuckey>fxiny: so how come it can't be changed with dpkg-reconfigure console-configure?
11:03<stuckey>Were these locales not installed on this machine, perhaps?
11:03<fxiny>stuckey: i use en_US.ISO-8859-15 , it supports the euro currency sumbols , you can try that
11:04<stuckey>I just need an ue
11:04<eisberg>I got this message:
11:04<fxiny>stuckey: locales ? same thing dpkg-reconfigure locales
11:06<eisberg>why show fdisk a device with the name /dev/sda5 and there are no devicefile in /dev ?
11:06<witte>eisberg: what does Erweiterte mean in english?
11:06<stuckey>fxiny: okay so I did that, and i selected a german locale, but how do I switch to it now?
11:07<stuckey>witte: furthered, perhaps?
11:07<eisberg>witte, extended
11:07<witte>stuckey: extended?
11:07<fxiny>stuckey: open a new terminal
11:07<stuckey>yeah good, literally "extending"
11:07<stuckey>fxiny okay
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11:08<witte>eisberg: an extended partition is a partition that can contain other, logical, partitions if i am correct
11:09<witte>eisberg: it is no true partition on itself
11:09<fxiny>it holds logical partition table
11:09<eisberg>yes I'm understand
11:09<fxiny>if you delete it you can have a hard time recovering all logicals
11:09<stuckey>fxiny: okay I opened anew termainal but my locale is still set to engish
11:10<eisberg>but I'm looking for a way to access the data in that partition. In windows I can access the ext3 filesystem, why not in linux?
11:10<fxiny>stuckey: so i'm wrong , log out/in
11:10<fxiny>eisberg: can you paste fdisk -l output in a paste bin ?
11:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:11<stuckey>fxiny: locale still says en
11:11<fxiny>eisberg: seems empty , try gpart
11:12<eisberg>I dont know gpart
11:12<fxiny>stuckey: so you did not set it up properly , did you press spacebar to set the star ?
11:12<stuckey>fxiny yep, but i'll go threw and do it again
11:13<themill>stuckey: you can get ü without changing locales.
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11:13<fxiny>eisberg: gpart can tell you where the missing partition was
11:13<stuckey>fxiny: update: everything is written in german now but my keybord is still in English!
11:13<eisberg>fxiny, thanks, I try it
11:13<stuckey>themill: how can I do this?
11:13<stuckey>themill: I don't have an internet connection on the machine in question ;)
11:14<themill>stuckey: "setxkbmap -option ctrl:ctrl_ra,compose:caps" which remaps Capslock to be "compose" then hit Compose " u to get ü.
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11:14<themill>stuckey: err... you can probably get rid of ctrl:ctrl_ra, from that command
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11:14<stuckey>themill: coudn't I just set my keyboard to be the german keyboard? Wouldn't that be more simple?
11:14<themill>stuckey: I have KDE set that up for me in the keyboard layout.
11:15<themill>stuckey: if you want. Depends what you want...
11:15<stuckey>themill: I just need a Ue
11:15<stuckey>just one
11:15<themill>in which case you don't want to change to a DE kb layout just for that. Just enable a compose key and use compose sequences.
11:16<eisberg>fxiny, gpart output:
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11:16<stuckey>themill: okay so I just type what you gave me? and then I type caps lock and then U to get a Ue?
11:16<stuckey>Is that, caps lock plus U or just caps lock then U?
11:16<eisberg>fxiny, I need to access the secound partition the ext2
11:17<themill>stuckey: press & release capslock, then hit " (double quote) then u.
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11:17<fxiny>eisberg: i see a 1G ext2 , was it that one you mounted on windows ?
11:17<themill>stuckey: same for other accents e.g. compose,',e gives é. /msg dpkg compose
11:17<eisberg>fxiny, yes
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11:21<fxiny>eisberg: do you have a swap partition ?
11:21<eisberg>fxiny, no
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11:21<fxiny>so try mounting sda3
11:22<fxiny>dunno why fdisk -l is not showing it
11:22<eisberg>fxiny, ount: special device /dev/sda3 does not exist
11:23<simonrvn>ü omg, i didn't have to hold compose down \o/
11:23<eisberg>fxiny, how can I mount a fs without an devfile in /dev ??
11:24<stuckey>Could anyone tell me how I can set a static ip in my /etc/network/interfaces file?
11:25<simonrvn>stuckey: /msg dpkg interfaces; /msg dpkg man interfaces
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11:26<fxiny>eisberg: your paste is fdisk -l /dev/sda
11:26<fxiny>eisberg: try fdisk -l
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11:27<fxiny>must be the same anyway
11:28<eisberg>fxiny, it is the output
11:28<eisberg>fxiny, it is the same output
11:30<stuckey>simonrv: i added address *.* and subnet but it says that it doesn't seem to have all of the right variables for wlan0/inet
11:30<simonrvn>so fix it
11:31<fxiny>eisberg: parted /dev/sda , at the prompt type print , quit to exit
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11:35<eisberg>fxiny, in parted console I cant check the minor 2. Could not detect filesystem
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11:37<fxiny>eisberg: according to parted minor 2 is the extended and 5 is a logical
11:38<fxiny>eisberg: you sure that windows drivers did not mess things up ?
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11:38<eisberg>fxiny, I dont know, it seems so, that the fillesystem is destroyed
11:39<fxiny>eisberg: i'd try fdisk /dev/sda
11:40<fxiny>eisberg: m for help
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11:41<eisberg>fxiny, I think the data have to be destroyed. perhaps I can repair in window. Thanks a lot for your help!
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11:55<fubard>i've been trying to get ndiswrapper working in etch, i have it almost there, but wlan0 doesn't exist... everything else is working though, any pointers?
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11:55<fubard>can't i specify the usb wifi stick's address in /etc/network/interfaces?
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11:58<michael>Is There any one here?
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11:58<fubard>maybe, i haven't heard from anyone yet
11:59<Guest1016>i need Some help if any one can help me
11:59<abrotman>fubard: what doesn't work about it?
11:59<abrotman>Guest1016: ask your real question
11:59<gsimmons>fubard: Is the relevant NDIS driver for your device installed? (ndiswrapper -l)
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11:59<fubard>yes it is gsimmons.
12:00<abrotman>does he need allow-hotplug ?
12:00<Guest1016>I'm using Lenny amd I can't get Kpackage to work
12:00<gsimmons>abrotman: I don't believe so.
12:00<gsimmons>fubard: Provide the ndiswrapper -l output at a paste bin, please.
12:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:00<fubard>when i boot dmesg says: wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags
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12:02<stuckey>I'm trying to set up a static ip in my /etc/network/interfaces file, but it is'nt working... Do I need to add a line that says "network *.*.*.*"?
12:02<fubard>i followed a couple howto's on the net, but i'm stuck at making wlan0 exist, ifconfig and iwconfig does not show wlan0
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12:02<stuckey>fubard: you don't have the driver installed then.
12:03<stuckey>Could anyone explain to me how to set up a static IP?
12:03<fubard>um, i believe ndiswrapper -l shows that i do have it installed?
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12:03<gsimmons>fubard: Is the NDISwrapper kernel module loaded? (lsmod | grep ndiswrapper)
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12:04<fubard>it shows ndiswrapper and usbcore
12:04<fubard>so yes?
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12:04<fubard>can I specify the usb address for it in /etc/network/interfaces?
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12:05<abrotman>stuckey: paste your interfaces in a pastebin
12:05<fubard>i've had this thing working a few years ago in debian, just forgot how i did it
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12:06<stuckey>abrotman I can't paste because I'm on a different computer... but I will type it.
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12:07<gsimmons>fubard: For your information, your device is also supported by the rtl8187 native driver.
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12:08<fubard>gsimmons, oh! shall i remove the driver i have now and install that one or can i leave them both installed and see what happens?
12:08<stuckey>abrotman: --- does that look correct?
12:09<abrotman>stuckey: gateway?
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12:09<stuckey>abrotman: where do I find the gateway? (i'm connect to the router on this computer and it's working, but its windows, so perhaps someone might know how to extract this inforatiom from this computer)
12:09<abrotman>ipconfig /all
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12:10<gsimmons>fubard: They'll likely conflict: load one or the other. For rtl8187 information, see
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12:10<fubard>gsimmons, ty i shall try that now.
12:11<stuckey>abrotman? do i have to have this gateway, the manual for interfaces says it's optinal
12:11<stuckey>and there isn't ag ateway listed in ipconfig/all under this windows thing
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12:11<stuckey>it's listed as
12:11<abrotman>stuckey: need it, no .. but you won't be able to do much other than use your local network
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12:11<stuckey>abroatman: this network is using PPPoE
12:11<abrotman>stuckey: and a little hardware router is doing the pppoe ?
12:12<stuckey>abroatman: I'm not sure what you mean
12:12<stuckey>abroatman: they're running pppoe clients on their windows computers
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12:14<stuckey>abrotman: So since PPPoE is being used I don't need a gateway?
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12:15<abrotman>stuckey: after you start your network, can you ping anything else?
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12:15<metalqga>can I run a X application in tty2 simultaneously with another X on tty1?
12:15<abrotman>X like Xorg ?
12:15<stuckey>abrotman: No, I'm unable to connect to the router because I don't have the password (wpa says 4 way hand shake failed pre shared key may be incorect) So I'm assuming I've the wrongpassword
12:16<stuckey>That is, they're using a wireless route with wpa1 encryption to facilitated a PPPoE connection to the internet.
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12:16<abrotman>stuckey: ah
12:16<abrotman>metalqga: you can have two Xorgs running
12:17<fubard>metalqga, i've run two xfce sessions before at the same time
12:17<metalqga>that's nice
12:17<stuckey>abroatman: Okay so assuming the password for the wpa 1 encryption that I have is incorrect, I've correctly set my /etc/network/interfaces file?
12:17<metalqga>do you have a link to a howto or sth similar to read?
12:17<fubard>i log in the first one via xdm then drop to the F1 console and login then type startx -- :1
12:18<metalqga>I'll try right now
12:18<stuckey>fubard: What's xdm? Like gdm?
12:18<fubard>its an ugly more basic login manager, like gdm
12:18<stuckey>I like things that are more basic...
12:19<metalqga>server is already active for screen 0....
12:19<fubard>metalqga, did you do "startx -- :1"
12:19<themill>metalqga: gnome and kde have a "switch user" facility that creates a new dm greeter on :1 for you.
12:19<metalqga>no ;)
12:19<fubard>do eeeet noooow
12:20<metalqga>lol WORKS, thanks fubard!
12:21<metalqga>let me write it down in the dir of useful commands
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12:22<stuckey>Could someone please tell me if this is the proper way to set a static ip on an internet connection that is made threw wpa1 encrption to a wireless routert threw PPPoE?
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12:23<metalqga>another question, can I bypass gnome/kde/xfce and just run a app(game) in the other tty? when I startx I get another gnome desktop which is not necessary
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12:24<ivan_>Ganneff,r u there?
12:24<fubard>yes, instead of startx -- :1 , just do xinit -- :1 , then you will get a very basic X window with an term you cant move, then just type in your x command and it'll show in that ugly window
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12:27<abrotman>stuckey: it would help if you got my nick right when talking to me .. i thought you'd wandered off
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12:27<abrotman>stuckey: set the gateway to the IP of the router
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12:28<metalqga>aptitude install beer -> fubard! :D thanks man!
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12:29<fubard>gsimmons, the rtl8187 driver works like a charm, thank you very much
12:29<gsimmons>fubard: np
12:30<another\>Could anyone tell me please if this is the correct way to set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces for a network connection which is made by connecting to a router using wpa1 encryption which then facilitates a connection to the internet threw PPPoE?
12:30<abrotman>another\: why are you changing nicks?
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12:31<another\>Lost my connection to this channel and the other name I was using hasn't timed out yet
12:31<another\>ah... there it goes.
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12:32<another\>abroatman: Do you know?
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12:33<themill>dpkg, fix xingu's internet connection
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12:33<themill>ravenbird: fix dpkg
12:33*ravenbird takes dpkg to the vet for a "special" visit.
12:33<abrotman>another\: i don't use WPA, but if it's like my wireless, i need to specify the SSID
12:34*dpkg takes xingu's internet connection to the vet for a "special" visit.
12:34<dpkg>somebody said wpa was Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs).
12:34<fxiny>!beer ravenbird
12:34*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for ravenbird
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12:34<another\>abortman: that's specificed in the wpa_supplicant.conf file
12:34<themill>!congratulations ravenbird
12:34<abrotman>why is my nick so hard?
12:34<fubard>lol abortman
12:34<fxiny>hahah a Delirium ? hahaha
12:35<another\>because it isn't spelled as an English word.
12:35<another\>You don't typically see the brot letter comination.
12:35<fxiny>simonrvn: your master is drunk ! :P
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12:36<metalqga>so dpkg is an english word?
12:36<another\>that's an abbreviation, I would say.
12:36<another\>Okay so I'm assuming is correct.
12:36<metalqga>ok noather\ you win
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12:46<another\>Could anyone tell me what would cause wpa_supplicant to give the error message: 4 way handshake failed pre-shared key may be incorrect ?
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12:52<another\>Hello adama
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12:55<ravi>hi, in Sid, bash is not completing the filenames, in fact, it only completes the initial part then does nothing
12:55<ravi>is it a bug(known bug)? is there a fix?
12:56<kdas>quick question, do i have to perform a mitm attach if i want to tcpdump my connection or any other of my local computers ssl sessions ? or is there a way i can grab the keys/certificates and decrypt the data passively without the need of doing a mima against myself?
12:56<dondelelcaro>ravi: install bash-completion and enable it?
12:56<ravi>dondelelcaro: I thought that was for advanced completion ...
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12:57<kdas>ravi, i recommend using lenny rather then sid
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12:58<ravi>kdas: thanks, I've been on Sid since 2003 with very less quirks like this one.
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12:58<weasel>sid used to be more fun
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12:59<ravi>dondelelcaro: installed, it works like a charm now! :-)
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13:00<kdas>ravi, i quit using Sid when in 2002 i updated and it broke login app and i couldn't log in without using a rescue disc
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13:01<ravi>Sid is always fun, if most of the applications you use are fairly stable, freeze upgrading.
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13:02<themill>and hope you don't need any security updates
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13:03<ravi>themill: do you get security updates for sid?
13:03<metalqga>or make backups before updating
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13:05<ravi>you mean important fixes for vulnerablities and memory leaks ... ?
13:05<themill>ravi: no, you get new versions of packages. And to install them, you may have to upgrade many other packages. The idea of "freezing sid" for a while often doesn't work out so well.
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13:07<abrotman>you get them when the package gets uploaded .. i wouldn't call security a prime goal of unstable
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13:09<another\>is anyone here good with wpa_supplicant?
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13:09<ravi>another\: someone will be, ask the question
13:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:10<another\>What does it mean when wpa_supplicant says "4 way hand shake failed pre shared key may be incorrect"?
13:10<another\>Does that necessarily mean that the password I have is incorrect?
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13:10<abrotman>why not try disabling the WPA, and see if you can get the wifi working
13:11<another\>abrotman: this isn't my router or I most certainly would.
13:12<kdas>another\, so you are illegally using someone else's router?
13:12<another\>kdas haha no
13:13<another\>I just moved in to a new apartment and my roomates have this router but dont' know how it works
13:14<kdas>another\, you should try to use network manager and see if that works and if the key is wrong then you are going to need to ask your friends for the proper key or ask your friends to config the router
13:14<kdas>but i agree with abrotman when he said to just make sure wifi is working
13:14<another\>yeah I"m using the wifi on this computer now
13:14<fxiny>where's stuckey ? i have the answer for him !
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13:15<another\>ghat's me
13:15<metalqga>he's another\
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13:15<fxiny>nahhh i don't believe you :P
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13:15<another\>it's me... if I had my compute ri'd change my name right now but i don't
13:15<another\>i'm having to use a webclient
13:15<fxiny>metalqga: ;)
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13:15<metalqga>fxiny ;)
13:16<another\>fxiny: what answer did you have?
13:17<fxiny>another\: :))
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13:20<Bert_2>Hi, when I woke up today I got an error email from cron about logrotate, but I have no idea what it means or what logrotate is, can someone explain it to me please: ?
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13:22<Pepper>Bert_2: are you running an apache on your computer? it said it can't bind to the port, because another process is already using port 80.
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13:24<Bert_2>Pepper: ow, I just noticed apache is down
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13:25<Pepper>Bert_2: you could try to start apache with "/etc/init.d/apache2 start"
13:25<Pepper>If this doesn't work you should try to figure out which process is using port 80 with: netstat -a -t -p -n | grep :80
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13:26<Bert_2>Pepper: initial error, apache response and netstat response:
13:27<Bert_2>Pepper: could it be this bug:
13:28<Pepper>Bert_2: looks like apache2 didn't stopped cleanly.
13:28<Bert_2>Pepper: I'm rebooting the server now, takes only a few seconds and probably fixes everything
13:29<Pepper>try "killall -9 apache2" and start apache again.
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13:29<Bert_2>Pepper: now it works again
13:29<Bert_2>Pepper: but could it happen again ?
13:31<Bert_2>Pepper: I don't really understand the bug report very well, why does this happen ?
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13:31<Pepper>it's a new problem to me. as it looks like logrotate is rotating the logs of apache on sunday.
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13:32<Pepper>after this apache is restarted by the script in /etc/logrotate.d/apache2
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13:32<Pepper>bugreport let me think there is a race-condition which blocks apache from stopping properly.
13:33<Bert_2>Pepper: but this server has been running for almost a year and this has never occured
13:33<Bert_2>Pepper: I did fix a memory consumption issue a few days ago but I don't think that's related
13:33<Pepper>Bert_2: I'm running apache without a problem. so...
13:34<Bert_2>Pepper: I guess this won't happen again
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13:34<Pepper>hope so.
13:34<Bert_2>and if it does I'll just reboot the server
13:34<Bert_2>(I mean I don't have that much visitors)
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13:35<Pepper>if the problem comes back, and you got the time it might be nice to make another bugreport.. (noticing the number of the old bug)
13:35<Bert_2>yeah, I'll do that if it happens again
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13:37<dthommas>Hello, I am a consistent linux user but not great on it . I am facing one issue that I want to make a distribution linux CD with my own linux build imaage . I have done the build but I don't know how to put the kerlen installer (Who does partiiotning etc. ) and bootloader in it and burn on a CD ?
13:38<abrotman>dthommas: based on debian ?
13:38<dthommas>yes , ubnutu 2.6.18
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13:39<abrotman>i think you want #ubuntu on
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13:40<dthommas>ok, u r saying that i should join for this question ??
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13:50<dthommas>Hi Abrotman , could u pls make me clear what is ?
13:50<abrotman>dthommas: /server .. then join the channel for your distro
13:51<petern>ahhhh, fresh debian desktop :D
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13:53<Stuckey>Hello fxiny
13:54<fxiny>Stuckey: i was joking , i have no idea about your problem :)
13:54<Stuckey>Oh, no problem.
13:54<Stuckey>I have another question for you now.
13:54<fxiny>shout , but remember : you should ask the chan
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13:55<Stuckey>I've managed to establish a connection to the internet and I am happily speaking to you now on a linux computer however, the connection on this computer is according to uploading at 75kbs while the computers that are using windows here are uploading at 1500kb/s --- any idea why?
13:56<dthommas> /server
13:57<robert>Can anyone help me install flash ? I tried to use the solution suggested by dpkg (the bot here) for sid. But this doesn't work.
13:57<fxiny>Stuckey: not even under torture i will say or believe windoze does better then linux
13:57<robert>I installed flashplugin-nonfree + libflash-mozplugin + libflash0c2
13:57<Stuckey>fxiny, haha---no this is simply a case of something being misconfigured...
13:57<abrotman>dthommas: without the space in front
13:57<Stuckey>but I assure you that's the correct data, I just ran the tests.
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13:58<robert>And I have in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
13:58<abrotman>Stuckey: try to download a large file
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13:58<fxiny>Stuckey: how did you set thibgs up ? pppoeconf ?
13:58<robert>But Firefox can't read flash video or animations :/
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13:59<Stuckey>fxiny, yeah I used that pppoeconf thing and just hit yes to the recommened settings...
13:59<abrotman>robert: update-alternatives --config
13:59<abrotman>robert: and you may need to add an option for the adobe flash
13:59<_>sorry for such question, i am kinda newbish... i need firefox 3, any links?
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14:00<abrotman>FF3 isn't in etch, and can't run in etch
14:00<Pepper>_: aptitude install iceweasel
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14:00<_>iceweasel has some bugs with russian in url
14:00<abrotman>there is no firefox in debian
14:00<_>i am running lenny
14:00<tosi>does anyone know of anyway to make iceweasel go back in page history... im trying to ge tmy girl usiing linux and she likes the change but wants the browser to go back a page when you press delete... yes she is a facebook whore
14:01<metalqga>stuckey what was the solution to your problem?
14:01<abrotman>then you have Iceweasel3
14:01<Stuckey>metalqga: they gave me the wrong password
14:01<_>(and sorry for my english too, plz)
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14:01<avu>_, then you already have firefox 3, it just has another name.
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14:01<metalqga>ahahaha spent a day torturing us for a wrong password :D
14:01<robert>abrotman: what do you mean by "add an option" please ? I tried your command and it returns "There is only 1 program which provides ... Nothing to configure"
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14:01<abrotman>robert: man update-alternatives
14:01<abrotman>robert: or get the flash package from
14:02<_>my fault
14:02<_>i have it
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14:02<Pepper>robert: what does iceweasel says if you type "about:plugins" as url?
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14:03<robert>abrotman: I tried it already, but ok let's try again. Let me purge and reinstall it.
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14:03<robert>Pepper: Am I supposed to find something that matches the patern /flash/i ? I have nothing like this.
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14:04<tosi>is there anyway in gnome to hotkey backspace in iceweasel browser back or set a hotkey to switch workspaces
14:05<Pepper>robert: so you should undo your changes and do as abrotman said above: install it from
14:05<abrotman>though IIRC the flash is in sid
14:05<abrotman>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
14:05<judd>abrotman: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.4
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14:08<robert>Pepper: By undo, do you mean purge packages or something else ? I'm purging sid right now and i'll install from debian-multimedia when it's done.
14:08<robert>abrotman: Yes I indeed installed it from sid
14:09<abrotman>it should update that AIUI
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14:09<Stuckey>Does anyone know how I can configure pppoe?
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14:09<Stuckey>I've used this pppoeconf program and I've made an internet connection but it's damn slow
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14:10<tosi>no way to hotkey switch workspaces in gnome?
14:10<weasel>configure it
14:11<Stuckey>weasel: how
14:11<weasel>config dialog.
14:11<gravity>tosi: System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
14:11<gravity>tosi: Alternately, gconf-editor
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14:11<Stuckey>This is my first time using pppoeconf, I've never used a PPPoE connection before.
14:12<tosi>alright cool, anyway to hotkey backspace to back in page history in iceweasel
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14:12<gravity>No idea there
14:12<orochi>hello :> i was thinking of getting an ipod touch, but i've heard that they're not compatible with any other players besides itunes in the newer generation models...does anyone here use an ipod touch or iphone in debian?
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14:13<abrotman>orochi: google has nothing ?
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14:15<orochi>abrotman: well, it recommends installing amarok and some other libraries from unstable, but i'm using gnome...and the howto is old (this is the first link i've read so far)
14:15<abrotman>rhythmbox should be able to do it now
14:15<abrotman>google "ipod touch rhythmbox"
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14:19<orochi>hmm...all of the solutions listed by that search seem to require jailbreaking the ipod to get it functioning :> maybe i should just look into a linux compatible mp3 player of some sort
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14:26<tosi>so no way to hotkey a key to page back in iceweasel huh, any other browsers support it?
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14:27<babalo>guten abend
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14:27<Stuckey>Hallo babalo
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14:32<gravity>tosi: The default hotkey is <Alt>-right arrow
14:33<gravity>tosi: There's probably a way to set the hotkey manually, since it's just javascript, but where you'd set that I'm not sure. There may well be a firefox extension to allow it
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14:37<_>i'am newbie to linux and i'am wanaa choose some pretty good torrent-client
14:38<abrotman>what do you want it to do?
14:38<abrotman>_: your nick is *really* annoying, can't you pick something better?
14:38<_>i want it to support encryption
14:38-!-_ is now known as omg_onoez
14:38<omg_onoez>i want it to support dht
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14:39<omg_onoez>it should be fast and light
14:39<omg_onoez>(as possible)
14:39<Stuckey>I'm using icedove to read newsgroups and I'm getting this error when I try to send mesages: A News (NNTP) error occured: From: address not in internet synatx.
14:39<abrotman>slightly better
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14:40<abrotman>omg_onoez: apt-cache search torrent encrypt
14:40<omg_onoez>i like azureus, but it is too monstrous ._.
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14:41<abrotman>lots of people like rtorrent, but i don't know if it does encryption
14:41<phorce1>omg_onoez: rtorrent (I think it supports encryption)
14:42<Stuckey>abrotman: it does encryption
14:42<omg_onoez>yep, google says it does
14:42<Stuckey>abrotman: And thanks again for the help earlier.
14:42<phorce1>Stuckey: fix your email address in the settings. If you don't want NNTP to have your REAL address posted use xxyy@nowhere.tld It has to at least LOOK like a real address
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14:43<omg_onoez>ncurses... nice )
14:44<Stuckey>phorce1: thanks, I just noticed that :)
14:44<phorce1>omg_onoez: rtorrent run in a screen session is very nice. ssh in from anywhere to make changes, start/stop torrents, etc. No gui fights or hinky web interface on special ports needed
14:45<omg_onoez>i c
14:45<Stuckey>phorce1: giving NNTP my email address would definitely mean spam, right?
14:45<omg_onoez>thanks fot the tip
14:45<Stuckey>omg_onoez: Yeah, either rTorrent with screen or torrent-flux.
14:45<omg_onoez>and sorry for my english)
14:45<phorce1>Stuckey: usually. Depends on the groups you post in
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14:47<phorce1>Stuckey: and if you want to use a fake address end it with ".tld" don't use something you think is fictitios with .com/net/org/whatever stuck on the end because you'll probably end up getting spam sent to some other poor schmuck's servers.
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14:47<Stuckey>phorce1: thanks
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14:47<R2D2>Hallo, can anybody tell me how to install the adobe flash player in Lenny ?
14:47<omg_onoez>kde 4 looks really great 8)
14:48<Stuckey>R2D2: Try using gnash
14:48<R2D2>no, I want the realy flash player.
14:49<abrotman>!tell R2D2 about dmm
14:49<Stuckey>!tell Stuckey about dmm
14:49<R2D2>what's dmm ?
14:49<R2D2>is gnash as good as flash ?
14:49<Stuckey>R2D2: It's better
14:50<gravity>For certain values of "better"
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14:50<R2D2>okay, because it's free software.
14:50<gravity>Stuckey: An easy way is to just grab the flash-plugin-nonfree package for unstable from and use that. I'm running it fine on Free Software
14:51<gravity>Err... R2D2 ^
14:52<Stuckey>Does anyone know a good way to find out about good newsgroups other than scanning threw the entire list?
14:53<gravity>Are there actually still newsgroups worth reading? I thought they were all spammed to death and abandoned by now
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14:53<Stuckey>gravity: the good ones are moderated now.
14:54<Stuckey>gravity: moderation is good
14:54<R2D2>can't play any videos on youtube
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14:54<R2D2>will wait a few years....
14:54<Stuckey>R2D2: Try youtuble-dl package
14:54<Stuckey>Simply youtouble-dl URL is the command line usage.
14:54<gravity>R2D2: The unstable package works fine in lenny. I'm using it right now
14:55<Stuckey>That downloads the file for you, better than watching it in a web browser.
14:55<Stuckey>gravity, You're using gnash?
14:55<gravity>Stuckey: No, flash-plugin-nonfree
14:55<R2D2>I mean with gnash
14:55<Stuckey>gravity: What are you thinking using non-free software???
14:55<R2D2>flash will hopefully work....
14:55<gravity>Stuckey: Uh... I'd like to actually be able to use it?
14:55<Stuckey>Well you're not helping anyone by using non-free
14:55<gravity>Stuckey: Blow me.
14:56<gravity>Stuckey: I've put in plenty of hours helping free software along.
14:56<Stuckey>Oh okay, then that makes up for it.
14:56<Stuckey>I'm going complete free... no more flash plugin. and I feel good about it.
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14:57<petemc>do you have the source code to the bios of your machine?
14:57<gravity>Stuckey: Have you written any free software of consequence to help out? Or do you just tell other people what to do?
14:57<petemc>or your harddrives firmware?
14:57<Stuckey>I'm generally just offering philosophic advice, as I don't know any programs languages.
14:57<Stuckey>So remember, patience is a virtue.
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14:57<gravity>Stuckey: Anyone can talk. Remember that when you're offering "advice" when it's not asked for.
14:58<R2D2>Where did you just say can I download the flash package ? cause I can't find it
14:58<Stuckey>And remember that anyone can use free software when you're using your flashplugin-nonfree.
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14:59<gravity>Stuckey: gnash doesn't work well for most people. That much should be obvious by now. Hell, it's not even as good as swfdec in many ways.
14:59<R2D2>the search function can't find it.
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14:59<sun>hi i was wondering whats the best ftp FS, im considering curlftpfs and ftpfs, any others?
14:59<gravity>R2D2: Did you search in unstable?
14:59<Stuckey>gravity: I know I tried it
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15:00<gravity>That's the one
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15:03<R2D2>the stupid package only downloaded install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz ????
15:04<ochoal>Hello ... I need help with ant ... I get an error when I run a build.xlm
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15:04<petemc>R2D2: why is that stupid?
15:05<gravity>R2D2: It installs it, and it can also clean it up later if you want to get rid of it
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15:05<R2D2>I think it didn't install it
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15:05<gravity>R2D2: It can also be tracked by the package system, so that if a new version of flash comes out, you'll get a new version with apt automatically, presuming it ever propagates to testing
15:05<R2D2>ok it did but didn't say so
15:06<gravity>Why should it? You installed the package.
15:06<gravity>Other packages don't say "I installed the software you asked for" :-)
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15:06<R2D2>2009-01-18 21:03:03 (141 KB/s) - »./install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz« gespeichert [3962157/3962157]
15:07<abrotman>oh my dear! not gespeichert!!!!!!!!
15:07<R2D2>ok ok
15:07*abrotman translate that to "Gas Pie Chart"
15:07<R2D2>its there and that's fine.
15:07<weasel>abrotman: haha
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15:08<weasel>abrotman: shows you leet american language skillz
15:08<weasel>no wonder it's the greatest country in the world
15:08<abrotman>weasel: i assume that's german, and not a language i've ever had an interest in
15:08<weasel>abrotman: it is :)
15:09<ochoal>hello, I run ant on some other build.xlm and things work great, but on this current on I get a bunch of warning & errors (ex: ant -d)
15:09<R2D2>Ach so, das ist nicht so schlimm.
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15:10<abrotman>weasel: not really sure why, just really never had any interest in german, which is odd since we have people around here that speak it still
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15:10<weasel>abrotman: probably for the same reason most of your fellow countrymen never bothered to learn english. just no need to :)
15:10<abrotman>weasel: why bother, wal-mart only operates on SALE, and numbers
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15:11<abrotman>they speak german-ish i guess
15:11<doti_>abrotman: no help on #debianppc
15:11<abrotman>doti_: eh ?
15:11<R2D2>Dutch is a little bit similar to German.
15:11<weasel>abrotman: yeah
15:11<weasel>R2D2: this isn't dutch.
15:11<abrotman>R2D2: no .. not dutch .. that's just what they are called, read the article
15:11<weasel>richtiges deitsch
15:12<abrotman>we termed them that after the Deutsch i guess
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15:12<weasel>that dutch wasn't deutsch confused me when I started playing Pirates without knowing any english
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15:12<R2D2>it's Deutsch
15:12<ochoal>my ant error message is "compile: Could not load class ( for type image".
15:13<abrotman>the schools in that area teach german
15:13<R2D2>the schools in my area too ;-)
15:13<ochoal>thanks for any help with this ...
15:13<abrotman>the schools around here don't teach english :)
15:13<R2D2>what do they teach ?
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15:13<R2D2>I think what we're doing here is offtopic...
15:14<abrotman>apparently stuff like "ur a m0ron" or something goofy
15:14*abrotman sends himself to #debian-offtopic
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15:15<ochoal>Going to #LinuxHelp
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15:16<Stuckey>Is anyone here familiar with PPPoE? I've got a connection to the internet with it but it's damn slow and I don't know how to troubleshoot it.
15:17<Stuckey>(Using lenny)
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15:18<abrotman>Stuckey: might need to change your mtu
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15:19<Stuckey>abrotman, What's this?
15:19<dpkg>from memory, mtu is Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces>
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15:22<Stuckey>abrotman, okay good but how do I know what to do with this MTU variable?
15:22<abrotman>uhm .. i think for DSL, you should set it to like 1504 or something, google around a bit
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15:26<Stuckey>abrotman, should I set this in interfaces or in pppoeconf????
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15:26<craigevil-eee>1492 was the default mtu in my att dls router/modem
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15:28<Stuckey>craigevil-eee, where did you set this at? interfaces?
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15:28<craigevil-eee>didnt touch it thats the setting in the router itself
15:28<craigevil-eee>although wouldnt you use sysctl.conf if you wanted to mess with your systems MTU?
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15:30<Stuckey>craigevil-eee: I don't see anything in /etc/sysctl.conf about MTU
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15:35<Lemonzest>dumb question, debian noob here, is a dvd install any better then a net install?
15:36<simonrvn>more stuff on the dvd obviously.
15:36<abrotman>not as far as the install goes .. jsut what you have to download later vs up front
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15:36<Lemonzest>ah right, so the base install would be the same when its finished (GNOME wise)
15:37<petern>it's exactly the same, just the package location is different
15:37<ochoal>Hello, back again ... still having problem with ANT and build.xlm file... can you help me?
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15:43<ochoal>Hello, I'm still having problem with running ant and build.xlm file... is there a tech channel for this?
15:44<Stuckey>Does anyone know anything about MTU/slow PPPoE connections?
15:44<abrotman>ochoal: there is a fairly empty #ant on freenode
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15:44<abrotman>#apache might help you
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15:45<cahoot>Stuckey: what is mtu set to atm according to ifcinfig?
15:45<Stuckey>Okay I've got MTU under Lo, ppp0, ppp1, etc... which one should I read it off of for you?
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15:46<ochoal>OK ... heading to #ant on freenode and #apache , thanks!
15:46<Stuckey>cahoot, it's 1492 on ppp0 (the same on ppp1)
15:47<cahoot>wonder why you have several ppp*
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15:47<Stuckey>cahoot, that I don't know... I just ran pppoeconf
15:47<Stuckey>God I hope this damn pppoe shit isn't going to cause programs for bittorrent...
15:48<cahoot>ok I know nothing about ppp
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15:48<eljefe_>Is anyone familiar with rsnapshot? I have it installed but I'm getting this error, "ERROR: Could not mkpath("/mnt/backups/daily.0/", 0, 0755);" Can anyone assist me to figure that out? Google returns pretty much nothing.
15:50<Stuckey>cahoot, okay thanks anyway
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15:51<abrotman>eljefe_: what filesystem is that device?
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15:52<eljefe_>ext3 but I just tried creating the folder manually, abrotman, and it said its a read-only filesystem. it worked fine when I tried this on Friday.
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15:52<abrotman>eljefe_: so maybe it is read only
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15:53<eljefe_>yep thats what I am looking into now :) thanks for the interest in helping, I'll let you know.
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15:54<darkwizzard>has anyone tried building the X-Fi drivers for Creative Soundblaster ?
15:54<darkwizzard>I get this
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15:58<Stuckey>Does anyone know anything about MTU/slow PPPoE connections?
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16:00<abrotman>darkwizzard: did you install linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 ?
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16:04<eljefe_>abrotman I've remounted it after adding entries to the fstab and its all going well now (other than cygwin's filename length limitation) so thank you very much!
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16:19<Stuckey>Does anyone know anything about MTU/slow PPPoE connections?
16:20<abrotman>Stuckey: there's also a #debian on you might ask
16:21<Stuckey>Oh I had no idea that was there...
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16:28<matth>Stuckey: the basis. What are you looking for ?
16:29<Stuckey>matth: I'm trying to fix my internet connection; I've ran speedtest on this computer and on another computer on my network (windows) and it is significantly faster than mine. I don't know anything about MTU/PPPoE connections as this is the first time I've had one.
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16:30<matth>so you suggest they don't have the same MTU ?
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16:31<smokey132>I have a question i was wondering if anyone could help me out?
16:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:31<Stuckey>matth: I don't know, that's what someone suggested. Perhaps you've knowledge in PPPoE?
16:31<abrotman>Stuckey: you're learning :)
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16:32<smokey132>I just installed debian 40r6
16:32<smokey132>im tryin to configure my wireless
16:32<smokey132>not working
16:32<abrotman>smokey132: what is your wifi card?
16:32<smokey132>i have a broadcom 43xx type wireless device
16:32<smokey132>i have installed the drivers
16:32<abrotman>did you install the firmware ?
16:32<smokey132>my problem is
16:32<smokey132>on iwconfig
16:32<smokey132>i dont have a wireless interface
16:32<smokey132>i have eth0, lo, sit0
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16:32<abrotman>look in dmesgfor an error
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16:33<smokey132>what folder is that located in?
16:33<abrotman>just type `dmesg | less` and read it
16:33<smokey132>the other thing is, its an internal wireless card, and the light on my laptop usually lites up to indicate that the wireless is turned on
16:33<smokey132>but not even that light is turning on
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16:34<newsense>smokey132, ls /lib/firmware should show a b43 folder or something similar
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16:35<smokey132>in my lib/firmware i have alot of bcm43xx****.fw files
16:36<newsense>what kernel you using and what chipset si the card using ?
16:36<abrotman>smokey132: lspci .. what is the device?
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16:36<smokey132>in dmesg what kind of error would i want to lookfor
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16:36<abrotman>smokey132: and does your wired network work ?
16:36<smokey132>guy02:/lib/firmware# ndiswrapper -l
16:36<smokey132>installed drivers:
16:36<smokey132>bcm43xx invalid driver!
16:36<smokey132>bcmwl5 driver installed, hardware (14E4:4324) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
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16:36<abrotman>he's not using ndiswrapper ...
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16:36<abrotman>or shouldn't be
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16:36<smokey132>wired works
16:36<abrotman>smokey132: what is the device? lspci ... what is the kernel? uname -a
16:37<smokey132>06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
16:37<abrotman>are you IRCing from that machine now ?
16:37<smokey132>Linux guy02 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 16:48:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
16:37<smokey132>its my laptop
16:37<smokey132>compaq P.O.S
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16:37<abrotman>smokey132: so you did the `aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter` ?
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16:38<abrotman>and in dmesg .. nothign shows being broken ?
16:38<smokey132>i think its not starting the hardware properly
16:38<smokey132>well im still searching dmesg
16:38<smokey132>what kind of message should i try to look for?
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16:38<abrotman>something about it not working .. or at least thatit's trying to load
16:38<newsense>anything related to firmware
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16:39<abrotman>does the GR mean they can put the bcm firmware in main ?
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16:40<yalenin>Can you explain me how to use
16:40<newsense>dunno i think its in contrib only
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16:40<abrotman>newsense: that's not what i'm asking
16:40<newsense>oh sorry
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16:40<newsense>wasnt sure what you were asking really
16:40<abrotman>i'm asking if the GR allows debian to distribute *that* firmware in main
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16:41<smokey132>ndiswrapper (pnp_start_device:426): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device (C0000001)
16:41<smokey132>thats one line i found
16:41<abrotman>you're not using ndiswrapper
16:41<smokey132>a few ndiswrapper errors
16:41<abrotman>or shouldn't be
16:41<smokey132>i wasnt trying to
16:41<smokey132>i was tring to avoid it
16:41<smokey132>but then thought wth
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16:42<abrotman>smokey132: what's your CPU ?
16:42<smokey132>celeron M
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16:42<newsense>modprobe -r ndiswrapper
16:42<abrotman>smokey132: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf b43-fwcutter
16:43<yalenin>Sorry, ignore my previous question, I have found answer on
16:43<newsense>maybe if he removes the ndiswrapper module the b43xx module will work ?
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16:43<smokey132>yea im gonna get rid of ndiswrapper
16:43<abrotman>if he hasn't done anything to setup the ndiswrapper, can't imagine it would be interfering
16:44<newsense>installing it and bringing up the device might load it ?
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16:44<smokey132>im not sure how to bring up the device though
16:44<smokey132>abrotman i installed the b43
16:44<newsense>wait it doesnt exist you said right
16:45<smokey132>now it does
16:45<jrabbit>anyone used distcc before?
16:45<newsense>ifdown wlan0 than ifup wlan0
16:45<smokey132>hold on, im gonna restart my comp real quick
16:45<abrotman>smokey132: bcm43xx-fwcutter is different than b43-fwcutter
16:45<smokey132>yea, i thought mine was bcm43xx though
16:45<newsense>he has an older kernel though
16:45<smokey132>i was using fedora before
16:45<smokey132>and bcm43xx worked fine
16:45<smokey132>now im back to debian
16:46<smokey132>ill brb, gonna restart comppy. thanks for your help thus far everyone!
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16:46<newsense>abrotman, he needs xx or legacy for a kernel that old
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16:46<kdas>howdy all
16:46<abrotman>uhm .. i told him to install etchnhalf
16:47<dell>can someone help me configuring the xserver for intel gma950 graphics card ?
16:47<kdas>anyone know why i am getting this?: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
16:47<kdas>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
16:47<abrotman>dell: which version of debian ?
16:47<kdas><--- running lenny
16:47<abrotman>dell: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose intel
16:48<newsense>abrotman, he can use b43-fwcutter with b43-legacy or b43
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16:48<abrotman>but he still needs the newer kernel
16:48<newsense>b43xx-fwcutter for b43xx
16:48<abrotman>i know that
16:48<newsense>i would
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16:48<newsense>get the newer kernel that is
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16:49<kdas>abrotman, you have any ideas why i am getting that error when i run iptables ?
16:49<newsense>says b43xx is deprecated too
16:49<abrotman>kdas: ask #iptables on
16:49<abrotman>newsense: for newer kernels, yes
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16:50<newsense>anyways gotta run good luck
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16:52<dell>abrotman: it doesn't work
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16:52<abrotman>dell: did you restart X ?
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16:53<abrotman>dell: you'll have to completely restart it
16:53<abrotman>dell: if it doesn't work, put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin site
16:53<dell>ok wait
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16:54<dell>how can i do that?
16:55<confrey>hi everybody
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16:55<abrotman>dell: use .. and a CLI browser like links2 .. there's a place there to upload files
16:56<confrey>I've installed kernel from slackware on a lenny beta2
16:56<confrey>it works, but I can't compile a external module
16:56<confrey>I get a long error liost
16:57<confrey>abrotman, what why?
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16:57<Slurb>how do i get a multiverse package in lenny?
16:57<abrotman>confrey: why would you use a slackware kenrel on debian?
16:58<abrotman>Slurb: you don't
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16:58<abrotman>Slurb: what are you looking for?
16:58<Slurb>webcamstudio wont install without gstreamer bad multiverse
16:58<Slurb>im gonna see if it will compile
16:59<abrotman>debian doesn't have multiverse .. we have contrib and non-free
16:59<Slurb>thats what i though
16:59<confrey>abrotman, I have a eeepc, in 2.6.27 there is a module for eee; i use slackware too, and I'd like to use a ready to use kernel to test some apps for eee, without spending time to compile a new kernel and modulex
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17:00<abrotman>confrey: did you ask #debian-eeepc ? they might have one for you
17:00<Stuckey>Man that eeepc is really popular
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17:01<abrotman>it makes eggs!
17:01<Stuckey>it makes eggs?
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17:02<confrey>abrotman, no matter if it's more useful to use another way, now I'm curios about why I can't use same kernel and modules to compile a little module in an other distribution
17:03<abrotman>confrey: what's the error ?
17:03<confrey>some hundreds of errors
17:03<abrotman>first one is usually the most important
17:03<Stuckey>Does anyone know anything about MTU/slow PPPoE connections?
17:04<confrey>first, I linked the header in /lib/modules/ to /usr/src/linux-
17:06<dell>abrotman : i don't know how to put the logs via shell to the pastebin
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17:07<abrotman>dell: install links2 .. then go to .. find the browse button, find your file, the use the send
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17:12<dell>don't find the browse button
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17:13<confrey>abrotman, I can't see the initial error, list is too long for the terminal
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17:13<confrey>I have lines like this : include/linux/thread_info.h:78: error: implicit declaration of function ‘test_bit’
17:14<abrotman>dell: oh, i think it's just the line next tot he Send button
17:14<abrotman>dell: there's a line next to the send button .. if you put the cursor there, it asks you to type the path to the file
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17:16<dell>ok it is there
17:16<dell>from anonymus
17:18<dell>now i uploaded both .conf and .log with username dell
17:18<dell>can you see it?
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17:21<abrotman>dell: do you know how to use vi ?
17:21<abrotman>dell: open the /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root and delete the " BusID "PCI:0:2:1"" line completely .. save the file and try to restart X again
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17:22<dell>ok done it
17:22<grummund>hi, i wonder if someone could help me with a sound probem pls?
17:22*grummund upgraded kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 and now sound no longer works ;-(
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17:22<dell>i send you the new log
17:23<grummund>gnome volume control says "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
17:23<abrotman>dell: did you try to restart X ?
17:23<grummund>Multimedia Systems Selector says: "Autodetect: Could not open resource for writing."
17:23<abrotman>dell: also, how did you install X ?
17:23<grummund>... it was okay until i upgraded to kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
17:23<dell>it is a fresh install of debian etch
17:23<dell>with a businesscard.iso
17:24<abrotman>dell: aptidude install xorg .. does it want to install anything ?
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17:24<dell>0 Packets
17:24<dell>i'll upload the new log
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17:26<antonio>c'è un italiano??
17:26<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:28<abrotman>dell: edit the config file again and change the DefaultDepth to 16
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17:30<dell>changed it to 16
17:30<abrotman>still not working ?
17:31<abrotman>dell: oh crap .. what did you answer to the framebuffer question ?
17:31<dell>what framebuffer question?
17:31<abrotman>when you did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. did it ask you about framebuffer ?
17:32<abrotman>or did it ask you how much video RAM you had ?
17:32<abrotman>or can you configure thatin your BIOS ?
17:32<dell>i have an msi wind u100 if this helps
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17:33<abrotman>not for me ..
17:33<abrotman>might just be easier to go to lenny
17:33<dell>it asks how much ram the card uses
17:33<abrotman>and how much did you say?
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17:34<abrotman>try saying 16384KB
17:34<abrotman>or whatever measure it uses
17:34*abrotman would probably be using lenny on this thing
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17:35<dell>i try to install lenny
17:36<abrotman>do you know where to get it ?
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17:36*abrotman wonders if we could migrate #debian-eeepc to #debian-netbook
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17:37<igor>abrotman, i dont know if thats a good idea
17:37<igor>seeing as how even the EEEPCs all have different issues depending on model..
17:37<abrotman>why? there are more and more of these things coming, and they're kind of specialised
17:37<igor>know what i mean
17:37<DiamondsTip>Hi, on my laptop in battery power my load_cycle_count increases by 20 in 5 minutes. but does not increase on ac power. can anyone explain a fix for me (debian-lenny)
17:38<igor>i guess i still think there is a big difference between eeepc and netbook
17:38<igor>in driver issues and things like that
17:38<abrotman>igor: eeepc is a netbook
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17:39<dell>where can i get the newest lenny dist?
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17:43<abrotman>fabio: english ?
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17:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:48<bboy>hey room
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17:49<igor>abrotman what im saying is that people are having issues with solely eeepc's
17:49<abrotman>igor: i get that .. but lots of other people with netbooks have issues, and a general netbook channel might be of some use
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17:50<bboy>i dont know if anybody in here remembers but i came in here a couple weeks ago acquiring about a linux program for my computer its and hp intel celeron or "celery" as it was put
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17:52<bboy>hp with an intel celeron so i dont look totally retarded
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17:53<bboy>i dont remember who all i talked to. but the computer i just got is a dell inspirion 1000 labtop. can anyone help me set that up
17:53<igor>abrotman: fair enough, just playing devil's advocate
17:53<newsense>bboy be more specific
17:54<newsense>bboy what are you trying to accomplish ?
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17:54<newsense>bboy installation ?
17:54<abrotman>igor: walk this way?
17:54<bboy>yes installation. sorry
17:54<newsense>bboy and what is the problem your having with the install process ?
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17:57<karthik>hi, any one help me in increasing the network perfomance in debian
17:57<bboy>the debian site i went to seems to be unspecific on how to acquire the actual program to install to my computer
17:58<newsense>bboy, are you farmiliar with iso ?
17:58<bboy>not entirely no
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17:59<newsense>bboy, do you have nero or any similar software to burn an iso image ?
17:59<newsense>bboy, asuming you are running windows
18:00<bboy>just the windows media that comes with xp
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18:01<newsense>bboy might try this
18:01<dpkg>somebody said debian.exe was the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig).
18:01<igor>hey guys im doing an install right now..
18:02<igor>is there any way to stop it and choose a different mirror..?
18:02<newsense>bboy, i have never heard of anyone actually using it but if you dont know how to burn an iso id look into how to do that or try the exe
18:02<abrotman>igor: restart the install :)
18:02<igor>this would be my 3rd time lol
18:02<abrotman>then just let it go .. change it after the install
18:02<newsense>can he drop to a shell and edit sources.list ?
18:03<igor>the base system is installed
18:03<newsense>ive never tried it dont know why you would want to do that either
18:03<bboy>ok thx. newsense
18:03<igor>now its retrieving the files for the standard install and the desktop environemnt
18:03<abrotman>when you pick, that's when it starts downloading
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18:05<igor>lol 3hrs remaining
18:05<igor>this is bs.
18:05<arinko>I'm trying to get a printer working -- I think its a CUPS related issue, seeing as I can print by echoing what I want to print to /dev/usb/lp0.
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18:06<igor>ok can someone suggest a reliable mirror?
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18:06<igor>i had the base system installed, was in command line, but my ethernet wasnt working
18:06<abrotman>igor: which country?
18:06<igor>and i couldnt get that working :(
18:06<igor>michigan, usa.
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18:06<abrotman>igor: ?
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18:06<abrotman>oh .. there's an MSU mirror
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18:07<abrotman>igor: uchicago or msu
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18:07<dell>abrotman i'm installing debian lenny right now. i hope X works on this one :)
18:07<abrotman>me too!
18:08<igor>ok attempt #4
18:08<igor>i dont know how many more tries i will do..
18:08<igor>im getting paranoid about the SSD lol
18:08<igor>yeah i know
18:08<igor>its just so frustrating haha
18:08<Gekz>the SSD will last longer than a conventional hard drive
18:08<Gekz>it's almost guaranteed
18:08<abrotman>igor: why does the mirror matter ?
18:10<igor>not the mirror, just that i delete partions and install over and over again
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18:10<abrotman>but you're complaining about the mirror
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18:11<igor>im just complaining about everything.
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18:11<igor>i dont know why was failing on file 803...
18:11<igor>and the other was just really slow
18:11<abrotman>i never use that one
18:11<igor>I'm giving MSU a shot right now.
18:12<igor>even if they are my rival school.
18:12<igor>I got to UMich
18:12<abrotman>so make them pay .. PAY FOR BANDWIDTH .. mwhahahaha
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18:12<igor>haha word.
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18:34<mike_>wow its quiet in here
18:35<themill>that's sometimes a good sign, mike_
18:35<mike_>themill, lol i guess it means all is good in the land of the debian haha
18:35<themill>It either means no-one is using debian, or that lots of people are and they're not having problems. I like to think it's the latter.
18:36<abrotman>or they don't know we're here waiting for their questions!
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18:36<mike_>abrotman, well why would you gives us away liek that -.-
18:36<mike_>abrotman, do you doubt i could answer a question about debian?
18:37<abrotman>who is asking the question?
18:37<mike_>abrotman, why do you hve some super genius complicated question about debian that needs answering?
18:38<abrotman>not today
18:39<weasel>"when will we release squeeze"
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18:39<dpkg>But Lenny isn't even out yet! Squeeze is the version after Lenny.
18:39<mike_>is squeeze stable?
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18:39<EmleyMoor>weasel: When all the bugs have been squozen out <g>
18:39<themill>weasel: I did refrain from making that "But lenny isn't even out yet ffs!".
18:40<EmleyMoor>squeeze is "future testing"
18:40<confrey>what type of Processor must I choose to compile kernel for a Atom CPU?
18:40<mike_>maybe itll have better video support than lenny -.-
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18:40<themill>mike_: when sid and a release manager love each other very much, they make a testing...
18:41<mike_>so thats where linux comes from =D
18:41<mike_>one more question who chooses the name s-.-
18:41<abrotman>no, that was a drunken night long ago .. linus got drunk and went to the zoo, penguin lovin' ...
18:42<EmleyMoor>All names are from the "Toy Story" movies
18:42<EmleyMoor>buzz (Lightyear)...
18:43<EmleyMoor>slink (a slinky?)
18:43<mike_>oh snaps
18:43<abrotman>more than one ?
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18:44*EmleyMoor has been on Debian since slink was stable
18:44<mike_>yes the s adds to the "oh snap" making it "oh snaps" which is obviously more serious than an "oh snap"
18:44<themill>With lenny on my laptop, if I press Fn+down, the brightness of the lcd backlight goes down by 2 steps not 1. hal-system-lcd-set-brightness-linux isn't involved in this at all. Backlight control worked fine under etch. I'm not sure where to start looking to solve this. Any clues?
18:45<mike_>themill i have a simialr problem with my fn volume keys
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18:45<mike_>it turns down fine its turnign it up where the problem occurs it goes insane
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18:47<mike_>lile geks tole me yesterday, my computer is built from pure hate its from the center of a void where the most evilest of evils like, its called acer..........
18:48<valdyn>themill: move a responsible script in /etc/acpi/ away and see if backlight dimming still works, but in single steps
18:48<abrotman>wtf ?
18:48<valdyn>themill: theres laptop-mode-tools and acpi-* packages, some overlap
18:49<mike_>abrotman, i take it your wtfing me?
18:49<valdyn>themill: both packages provide acpi scripts for the same stuff
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18:49<abrotman>mike_: themill makes sense .. you don't :)
18:49<mike_>abrotman, have i ever made sense?
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18:50<mike_>abrotman, i have lapses of momentary clarity and then i loose it again...
18:51<mike_>abrotman, hey hey hey my O sticks every now and again...
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18:51<mike_>do we rlly need to start an argument over my typing again ?
18:52<themill>valdyn: good thoughts. is not invoked. Will look for others.
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18:53<mike_>oh snap goodger is in here? whats he hiding?
18:53<abrotman>an elephant
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18:53<mike_>smart ass...
18:54<goodger>t's, uh ... nothing. Yes, nothing. If you think it's anything, you're a suspicious moron!
18:54*mike_ back slowly away from goodger and hides under a chair
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18:55<Stuckey>Hey is there an experimental debian repository with nVidia drivers?
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18:55<goodger>There is no Swedish conspiracy.
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18:55<goodger>Stuckey: you are aware that there are nvidia drivers in the non-experimental ones?
18:55<mike_>uh oh goodgers been watching history channel again -.-
18:56<Stuckey>but my card is very new goodger
18:56<abrotman>Stuckey: yes, but if your card works i wouldn't try using them
18:56<Stuckey>abrotman, well I used the nividia installed; I'd rather use the debian way if it's possible.
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18:56<valdyn>Stuckey: latest drivers are in experimental
18:56<Stuckey>goodger, I wouldn't mind a Sweedish conspiracy if there were to be one, the Sweedes are fine people.
18:57<Stuckey>valdyn, where can I stay up to date on this experimental reposttory?
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18:57<goodger>Stuckey: I'm sure they won't resent you misspelling their name
18:57<valdyn>Stuckey: thats supposed to mean what?
18:57<EmleyMoor>Sooner the Swedish Conspiracy than the Spanish Inquisition
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18:57<goodger>EmleyMoor: there is no swedish conspiracy
18:57<mike_>valdyn, i think hes asking for the entry to his sources.list?
18:58<valdyn>mike_: maybe
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18:58<mike_>goodger, thats what they want you to think....
18:58<abrotman>Stuckey: what card do you have ?
18:58<Stuckey>9800 GT
18:59<valdyn>Stuckey: and that card is supposed to be new?
18:59<Stuckey>I mean, where can I find out when there's a new driver in the repository.
18:59<Stuckey>goodger, sorry, it's almost 1 am here.
18:59<goodger>Stuckey: that card is nearly a year old, you know
19:00<mike_>goodger, valdyn maybe he meant its a "newwer"card
19:00<abrotman>Stuckey: which versoin of debian are you using?
19:00<Stuckey>haha oh okay
19:00<abrotman>the version of nvidia drivers in lenny would probably work fine
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19:00<Stuckey>So the driver for it is available in lenny?
19:00<Stuckey>This card was just supported by nvidia not too long ago.
19:00<Stuckey>With like 180.* something
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19:01<mike_>abrotman, they said id have better video support in lenny, and so far ive had to beat the hell out of it to make it work correctly -.-
19:01<valdyn>Stuckey: new nvidia drivers are in experimental till lenny is released
19:01<goodger>Stuckey: may I PM you a list of cards supported in the Lenny version?
19:01<valdyn>Stuckey: after that they will be in sid
19:01<Stuckey>of course
19:01<Stuckey>valdyn, exactly... where can I get this news?
19:01<valdyn>Stuckey: you can read the mailing list debian-devel-changes
19:02<themill>valdyn: acpi doesn't report any events in debug mode when I press the brightness control buttons, but rmmod video stops them working. Does that make any sense?
19:02<goodger>looking through very roughly, the 9thousand series is not on the list
19:03<valdyn>themill: i dont know
19:03<valdyn>themill: i simply noticed that my /var/log/acpid log was untouched since june or july, in testing, and i have nfc why
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19:04<themill>valdyn: I ran acpid -d so I have spew of messages from lots of other things, but not from the brightness keys :(
19:04<valdyn>themill: i see
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19:04<valdyn>themill: is it a thinkpad?
19:04<Stuckey>Thanks valdyn
19:04<themill>valdyn: no, dell inspiron 6400.
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19:05<valdyn>themill: alright, idont know about dell specialties
19:05<themill>valdyn: actually, mrs themill's no-name laptop has almost the same problem with lenny :(
19:05<kdas>when i try to use my webcam with mplayer it works fine but not with mebeam any ideas?
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19:06<valdyn>themill: anyway it still seems to be 2 scripts, but you didnt even find one yet..
19:06<mike_>yeah all my fn keys are so god damn buggy
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19:06<valdyn>themill: how do you know that the acpi spam was not brightness buttons?
19:07<themill>valdyn: the only events were thinks like "unplugged AC" when I did that to make sure something was being registered.
19:07<themill>yes... either that or it's done entirely within the kernel and userspace has nothing to do with it.
19:07<valdyn>themill: yea, i wouldnt know about that mechanism
19:08<valdyn>themill: and your firmware doing it does not make sense with removing the video module stopping the functionality completely
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19:08<mike_>dude sublime rocks!
19:09<valdyn>themill: unmount proc and try
19:09<valdyn>themill: and / or unmount /sys and try
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19:10<themill>err... sounds like something I don't really want to do right now ;) but I'll try that out next time I've got to reboot anyway.
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19:20<themill>valdyn: the brightness keys are generating events that *something* is listening to, because if kpowersave and hal are running, kpowersave sends a set hal events (4 for each key press, ffs) as well, even if the brightness keys are disabled with the module parameter brightness_switch_enabled=0.
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19:23<valdyn>themill: just remove kpowersave ?
19:24<themill>valdyn: that only reduces the number of jumps per keypress from 6 to 2. And I actually do use kpowersave.
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19:27<Aleric>How can I play a .wav file from the commandline?
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19:27<valdyn>Aleric: aplay file.wv
19:27<valdyn>Aleric: aplay file.wav
19:28<valdyn>themill: when you restart acpi you see how many programs listen to acpi events
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19:29<valdyn>themill: restart acpid
19:29<themill>how/where do you see that?
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19:29<valdyn>themill: it was in the log file
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19:30<valdyn>themill: oh nevermind, you dont need to restart it
19:30<themill>there are no events in /var/log/acpid since I upgraded to lenny in November
19:30<valdyn>themill: just see the messages like: "[Sun Feb 17 01:22:50 2008] notifying client 3114[108:118]"
19:31<valdyn>themill: but theyre there when you ran acpid -d
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19:32<valdyn>themill: or acpid -l in /etc/default/acpid
19:32<valdyn>themill: or acpid -l via /etc/default/acpid
19:33<themill>erg... atieventsd is listening to acpi... what's the betting that's part of the problem :( along with X, hald-addon-acpi and powersaved.
19:34<igor>so this is my first time using debian...what do i do to get multimedia working better.?
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19:34<igor>youtube and flash..
19:35<themill>valdyn: gah... need -d and -l to get notifications... :( OK, so the keys *do* generated acpi events (as expected)
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19:39<dell>abrotman ?
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19:39<abrotman>did i miss something ?
19:39<dell>i installed lenny
19:39<dell>and now X works
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19:39<dell>but now i want to install wlan
19:39<themill>valdyn: smells like a kernel or dsdt bug. One keypress is generating two acpi events:
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19:40<igor>can someone help me out on the youtube issue?
19:40<igor>video just isnt..stable
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19:41*WeedMan loves to smoke pot
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19:42<abrotman>WeedMan: wrong channel
19:42<abrotman>igor: do you iknow which flash you're using?
19:42<WeedMan>abrotman, dude, it's never the wrong channel to smoke pot
19:42<abrotman>dell: lspci .. tell me what itis
19:42<abrotman>WeedMan: YES, this is the WRONG channel
19:42<dell>ispci ?
19:42<abrotman>WeedMan: do you have a Debian question or not?
19:43<abrotman>dell: lspci
19:43<abrotman>L .. not I
19:43<WeedMan>WeedMan, of course. why else would I be here?
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19:43<abrotman>igor: do not msg me
19:43<abrotman>igor: /msg dpkg adobe flash
19:44<WeedMan>abrotman, sorry, I meant to address you when I said that, not me
19:44<abrotman>shocker ..
19:45<igor>abrotman: dpkg adobe flash. doesnt do anything..
19:45<igor>"need an action option"
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19:45<dpkg>Vendor drivers for Ralink 802.11 draft-n chipsets (RT2860 and RT2870USB) are available from 'rt2860-source' available in Sid, use "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i rt2860" to build and install. Also available for Debian Eee PC, ask me about <rt2860 eee>.
19:45<dell_>what information do you need abrotman? lspci says i have a Realtek Fast Ethernet Controller
19:45<abrotman>!tell igor about adobe flash
19:45<abrotman>dell_: that's your wireless above
19:45<igor>ooh lol i get it
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19:52<Aleric>Is there a 'graphical' wav editor for debian? I need to cut a piece out of a .wav.
19:53<Hydroxide>Aleric: audacity
19:53<themill>audacity is good
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19:59<dell_>abrotman: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02) is the lscpi output
19:59<dell_>i think the drivers you mentioned are the wrong ones
19:59<themill>that's not your wireless
20:01<dell_>i'll post you the whole lspci output
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20:02<WeedMan>abrotman, is this an appropriate channel to announce that I'm selling weed?
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20:03<themill>WeedMan: I would guess that nowhere on oftc is appropriate for that
20:03<WeedMan>themill, surely there's a place for me somewhere
20:03<themill>WeedMan: please either ask a question related to debian support or be silent.
20:04<WeedMan>themill, well that's rather rude. does my question about the channel not pertain to this channel?
20:04<themill>Your question has already been answered.
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20:04<dell_>is my wireless listed in the lspci output?
20:04<themill>dell_: it's your last device in that list, but the pciid is more useful than the name (lspci -nn)
20:04<WeedMan>dell_, if it's a PCI device, yes
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20:05<dell_>is the pciid the number in [ ] ?
20:05<themill>at the end. Something like [1234:5678]
20:05<dell_>ah ok found it
20:06<dell_>what can i do with this pciid now?
20:06<themill>what is it? And/or ask what kmuto says about it at or ask google about it.
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20:08<dell_>RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller
20:08<dell_>says kmuto
20:08<dell_>but how can i get my wlan to work now?
20:09<themill>the module name at the end is the interesting bit
20:09<dpkg>The RTL8187SE is an IEEE 802.11b/g single-chip WLAN IC (with PCI Express interface) manufactured by Realtek. Not supported by the <rtl-wifi> rtl8187 driver at this time. Available in Sid as 'rtl8187se-source'. Driver is experimental: expect latency, performance and stability issues.
20:10<themill>dell_: ^^ that's the sum total of my knowledge about it. Sounds like you didn't buy a particularly linux-friendly bit of hardware though.
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20:13<dell_>For RTL8187B chipset support, install a 2.6.27 (or later) Debian Kernel snapshot
20:13<dell_>how can i do this?
20:13<mike_>dell_ dont worry my laptop is the least linuk friendly laptop on the market youll work shit out lol
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20:16<Knorrie>bah lag
20:17<dmoerner>dell_: you can grab 2.6.28 snapshots from the trunk repo, see
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20:21<dell_>i don' know what to do to update my kernel :(
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20:21<dell_>i have 2.6.26-1-686 and i found some drivers for 2.6.27-11
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20:22<danielsouza>On Debian install a new kernel is easy
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20:22<danielsouza>Start downnloading a kernel source from
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20:23<danielsouza>dell_ You need to compile a new kernel from source
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20:23<danielsouza>debian has a tool named kernel-package that make this easy
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20:24<Knorrie>dell_: dmoerner pointed at the debs at
20:24<danielsouza>First you need to download a full kernel source from
20:27<danielsouza>Knorrie: She needs a 2.6.27 and the last deb package of kernel is 2.6.26
20:28<dell_>what do you thinkl about this?
20:28<themill>danielsouza: not in that repo; that's the kernel team's experimental playground
20:29<danielsouza>The better is to use modprobe
20:30<chealer>dell_: why, do you have a 8187B?
20:30*Knorrie acks themill with emphasize on 'experimental'
20:31*Knorrie likes to install experimental packages on non-important systems just to see problems and help :)
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20:36<mike_>dude i just discovered rocksndiamonds im in love <3 =D
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20:39<dell>what did you thought about my link?
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20:40<gsimmons>dell: The RTL8187SE driver is already packaged for Debian. Read
20:41<chealer>dell: which Debian suite do you use?
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20:46<dell>debian lenny
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21:15<srMrMr>I need Help
21:16<srMrMr>when i type a page adress and hit enter, the webpage Starts loading only after 20 minutes
21:17<srMrMr>20 Seconds
21:17<srMrMr>anyone knows why?
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21:18<srMrMr>please, can anyone help me?
21:19<stevecotton>srMrMr: what router are you using?
21:19<srMrMr>Dlink 500B
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21:20<newsense>some cheap routers have problems with ipv6 lookups could try blacklisting the ipv6 module if its loaded and you dont have an ipv6 address
21:21<newsense>if thats even the problem just a thought
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21:21<newsense>srMrMr, could test that by entering an ip of a site into the address bar
21:22<srMrMr>may it help, i can only navigate on web when if before pon dsl-provider i type ifconfig eth1
21:22<newsense>srMrMr, should be google
21:22<stevecotton>I'm thinking the same as newsense, but can't find online complaints about ipv6 on that model of router
21:23<srMrMr>eth1 0 . 0 . 0 . 0
21:23<newsense>srMrMr, are you connecting with a pppoe client ?
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21:24<newsense>now what are you saying about your ip address now ?
21:24<srMrMr>ip adress?
21:24<srMrMr>i just talk that when i try conect
21:25<srMrMr>i need type ifconfig eth1 0. 0. 0. 0
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21:26<srMrMr>how can i see if my ip is on IPv6 format or IPV4?
21:28<srMrMr>inet end.: P-a-P: Masc:
21:28<srMrMr>its IPv4?
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21:32<srMrMr>and about the 20 seconds lag?
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21:33<LostPlanet>should putting a "nick lostplanet" line in my ~/.ircii file make it automatically set my nick name to that ?
21:33<LostPlanet>using ircii
21:34<LostPlanet>sorry, ~/.ircrc file
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21:36<ansong>is there a way to dpkg-reconfigure whatever gets configured when the setup offers the sudo or root password options?
21:36<kiki>do they speak english or spanish?
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21:37<Guest1099>i need help with my notebok hp
21:37<srMrMr>anyone knows how to fix this problem? : everytime, before i conect i need to type ifconfig eth1, else i canot navigate on web. how to resolve?
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21:38<Guest1099>srMrMr search in te menu of gnome: configure netework or the same...
21:38<Guest1099>and go to enable dhcp..
21:39<Guest1099>maybe this is a solution..
21:39<Guest1099>i'm sorry for my english
21:39<Guest1099>i'm from Argentina..
21:39<igor>ok silly question, im not used to IRC, whats this IDENTIFY command?
21:39<abrotman>igor: /msg nickserv help
21:40<Guest1099>another posibility is write in a configuration file... but i don't remember where is it.... te name is interfaces...
21:40<Guest1099>maybe in /etc/network/interfaces...
21:40<newsense>srMrMr, what interface are you connecting to the internet with ?
21:40<igor>abrotman: what do i do then?
21:40<abrotman>igor: read it ?
21:40<Guest1099>NICK kiki
21:40<igor>yeah i did..
21:40<srMrMr>pon dsl-provider
21:40<Guest1099>NICK <kiki>
21:40<Guest1099>\NICK <kiki>
21:40<Guest1099>\NICK kiki
21:41<igor>abrotman: ok i think i got it, thanks a lot.
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21:41<kiki1985>hello people
21:42<srMrMr>newsense, i use GNOME, i conect by pppoe.
21:42<kiki1985>ho... i think you connect with ethernet.. i'm sorry..
21:42<srMrMr>newsense, i used pppoeconf to configure my conection, and i start with pon dsl-provider
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21:44<srMrMr>(sorry, if i cant understand one of your questions, i am so n00b)
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21:47<srMrMr>can anyone help me?
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21:53<srMrMr>everytime i have to conect, i hit this before... there is a way to it dont be necessary?
21:53<srMrMr>(ifconfig eth1
21:54<chealer>srMrMr: which Web browser do you use?
21:54<chealer>srMrMr: which desktop environment do you use?
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21:56<chealer>srMrMr: do you have the same problem with epiphany?
21:56<chealer>srMrMr: which Internet applications do not have this issue?
21:56<srMrMr>if i dont type ifconfig eth1 no downloads or uploads are done!
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21:57<srMrMr>whithout it no data trasnsfer are done
21:57<srMrMr>its needed to all aplications
21:57<srMrMr>that use internet
21:58<newsense>srMrMr, whats the output of route -n ?
21:58<srMrMr> UH 0 0 0 ppp0 U 0 0 0 ppp0
21:58<chealer>srMrMr: do you have issues when browsing with IP addresses (instead of domain names)?
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21:59<srMrMr>i dont tried it
21:59<srMrMr>but whithout the command there is no data transffers
21:59<newsense>chealer, i suggested he try that earlier but all i reall got out of him was he has to type ifconfig eth0
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22:00<newsense>srMrMr, and what interfaces do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ?
22:01<srMrMr>its my interfaces file
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22:03<srMrMr>obs: my IP is Dynamic
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22:03<newsense>srMrMr, not the problem but you dont need auto and allow-howplug for eth1
22:04<srMrMr>it was done automaticly by debian install
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22:06<newsense>srMrMr, if its dynamic why do you have an ip specified ?
22:07<srMrMr>what this allow-howplug done?
22:07<srMrMr>(i have deleted it)
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22:07<newsense>you might want to man interfaces before you start deleting things
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22:08<abrotman>don't delete the allow-hotplug
22:09<srMrMr>a question: put ifconfig eth1 is the same of turn of the interface eth1, right?
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22:11<skimp> All of a sudden my wireless has stopped working... Im using wifi-radar because wicd never worked for me. I still see the networked, it says I connect to my network, but I just cant get online... Not sure at what point this stopped working.. Any clue. im on an eee 1000
22:11<skimp> Ive tried removing and reinstalling wifi radar, and tried wicd again.. no luck! Im brand new to linux and debian...... so go easy heh
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22:13<chealer>srMrMr: I don't understand your question.
22:14<srMrMr>why when i type ifconfig eth1 i can surf on net?
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22:14<srMrMr>and if i dont type i cant surf?
22:14<abrotman>route -n ?
22:14<abrotman>show us your interfaces ?
22:14<chealer>srMrMr: what is your problem? is it that without that command it takes 20 seconds to download a page, or 20 minutes, or forever?
22:15<skimp>Abrot : me?
22:15<srMrMr>i have two problems
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22:16<mike_>whats crackalackin #debian
22:16<abrotman>skimp: not you
22:16<skimp>heya mike
22:16<srMrMr>Everytime i connect, i can only surf if i type ifconfig eth1 before conecting. how can i dont need to type it everytime? its a lan problem, its normal?
22:18<mike_>i wanna come in as mike D= but someone uses it allready =[
22:18<srMrMr>it was the 1st. i think the 2nd is linked with 1st, everytime i try enter a site (like, it takes about 20 seconds
22:18<newsense>abrotman: srMrMr interfaces >
22:18<abrotman>mike_: try michael or mikey ?
22:18<skimp>Grrr anyone here to help me with my wireless. prolly a simple problem
22:18<abrotman>wtf is that interface ?
22:19<mike_>ill fix this problem
22:19<mike_>or try to lol
22:20<newsense>abrotman, i was pointing you to the link he posted containing his interfaces file, i was trying to save you some time, took me a few asks to get it out of him
22:20<skimp>Ok, im on an eeepc 1000. Loaded with debian and gnome. For some reason wicd never worked. I installed wifi-radar, and was able to connect to my wireless... A week has gone by, all of a sudden I cant connect anymore, I still can see all the networks in range. Actually I can connect, says im connected, just not getting any internet out of it.
22:20<abrotman>srMrMr: what is eth1 ?
22:20<newsense>abrotman, he has only one route also
22:20<mike_>abrotman, could be a wireless i rememebr back when i was ubuntu, they configured my wireless as eth1
22:20<skimp>Ive reinstalled wifi-radar, tried wicd again.. etc etc.. nothing working. im conneted to my router it says, just not getting on. and im new new to linux =o
22:21<abrotman>probably only needs one of auto/allow-hotplug
22:21<skimp>mike_ : any clue
22:21<newsense>i told him that
22:21<chealer>srMrMr: the second problem happens even if you type ifconfig eth1 ?
22:21<newsense> UH 0 0 0 ppp0 U 0 0 0 ppp0
22:21<newsense>theres his route output
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22:21<abrotman>where's the UG ?
22:21<mike_>skimp, what are you running and what type of card do you have.>
22:22<srMrMr>i dont know
22:22<newsense>abrotman, i reposted what he posted
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22:23<srMrMr>i cant try without it, i need ifconfig to surf
22:23<abrotman>i'm asking
22:23<skimp>mike_ : its the lenny version of debian.. the one on the eeepc wiki, and the card is rt2860
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22:25<mike_>skimp, gimme a min
22:25<skimp>no problem
22:25<mike_>skimp have you been there?
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22:26<srMrMr>eth1 is my lan card. i use it to conect dsl-provider
22:27<skimp>yea let me go ahead and retry that all mike
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22:27<abrotman>srMrMr: try commenting out the 'auto eth1' line
22:27<skimp>i havent done it though, and it was working before
22:28<mike_>skimp, ok
22:28<srMrMr>ok abrotman, i will try...
22:28<srMrMr>i comeback soon
22:28<mike_>its busy tonight abrotman =P
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22:28<abrotman>it is?
22:29<mike_>better tha earlier
22:30<mike_>quiet again -.-
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22:34<SrMrMr>Thank a lot all peoble that helped me, its ALL working VERY fine
22:34<skimp>Mike : I did wget , now im on the next step, but cant figure out where rt2860-source saved....
22:34<skimp>cant find the path
22:34<SrMrMr>1st and 2nd problems resolved
22:34<mike_>skimp, gimme a min
22:35<mike_>abrotmant, would you give me a hand giving him a hand?
22:35<abrotman>which who a hand ?
22:35<mike_>abrotman, skimp lol
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22:36<abrotman>he just needs to `m-a a-i rt2860` hopefully
22:36<gsimmons>skimp: Uh, you already have a 'rt2860-modules-*' package available to you from the Debian Eee PC repository (see the earlier "To install the driver on Eee PC..." link). You shouldn't need to build one.
22:36<mike_>si skimp, its not letting you get the file?
22:36<newsense>SrMrMr, how did ya fix it ?
22:36<mike_>skimp, did you catch that ?
22:36<skimp>which file
22:36<abrotman>newsense: i told you how!
22:36<skimp>im just following instruction under the for lenny
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22:37<mike_>skimp, do what abrotman said open terminal and "m-a a-i rt2860"
22:37*newsense reviews channel history to find this
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22:38<abrotman>newsense: i didn't tell *you* but i did say it twice
22:38<newsense>not the auto line ?
22:38<abrotman>that's the last thing i said .. he rebooted, said it was fixed ?
22:39<newsense>dammit i told him that before you started talking to him
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22:40<skimp>what wireless ui do you guys use? wicd?
22:40<newsense>none i use wpasupplicant
22:40<mike_>i use what ever is allready installed lol
22:41<mike_>it works fin for me
22:41<newsense>network-manager seems to be popular but i couldnt tell ya anything about it personally
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22:42<skimp>Abrotman : what do I need to do after "m-a a-i rt2860" ... modprobe rt2860sta?
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22:42<abrotman>i guess .. i don't have that hardware
22:42<chealer>skimp: iwconfig
22:44<skimp>damn, its just stuck on setting up rt2860-module................. 100%
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22:45<mike_>guys i have a problem
22:45<mike_>my xorg, switches display devices everytime i try to open a flash video
22:45<mike_>it makes my gui crash and i cant restart it without rebooting
22:46<mike_>now this wouldnt be a problem but, the lcd on my laptop is broken right now
22:46<skimp>man, its stuck, not letting me do the iwconfig, just stuck on 100%
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22:47<mike_>cant i jsut remove the other displays section from my xorg.conf?
22:47<skimp>ok there we go... what should I see after iwconfig.... I see a network under ra0
22:48<mike_>skimp, ill show you waht mien loosk liek you should have something close to it
22:49<mike_>wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=20 dBm Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
22:49<mike_>mind you min isnt on
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22:50<skimp`>ra0 RT2860 Wireless ESSID:"belkin54g" Nickname:"belkin54g"
22:50<skimp`> Mode:Managed Frequency=2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:11:50:1A:EB:0D
22:50<skimp`> Bit Rate=18 Mb/s
22:50<skimp`> RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
22:50<skimp`> Encryption key:off
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22:50<skimp>Theres mine.
22:50<mike_>skimp looks ok to me
22:51<skimp>gah, yet I cant get on
22:51<skimp>network manager is another gui you said? ill try it..
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22:53<skimp>wait, is network manager just framework, or an actuall program to use...
22:53<mike_>im not sure
22:54<newsense>look it up its a program
22:54<mike_>cant i downgrade my xserver in lenny to the etch version?
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22:54<abrotman>you probably could .. but it's a poor idea
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22:55<mike_>abrotman, the one thing that worked fine for me in etch blows in lenny
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22:55<farthing>my box is beeping and printing this message
22:56<farthing>Message from syslogd@homed at Sun Jan 18 19:53:31 2009 ...
22:56<farthing>homed kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold
22:56<phorce1>mike_: tried removing the broken display from xorg.conf *AND* disabling it in whatever video card display manager you may have installed (Like I have the nVidia-settings program)?
22:56<chealer>skimp: your paste was interrupted when you were kicked
22:56<mike_>farthing the inside of your computer is hot
22:56<farthing>yeah. i know. what is ideal temp?
22:56<abrotman>farthing: guess what that means ...
22:56<mike_>phorcel, no but it would be great for you to help me do it you up for the task >/
22:56<farthing>maybe my settings are too low
22:56<abrotman>farthing: open the case, make sure your CPU fan is going
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22:57<skimp>Link quality = 55/100 Signal Level: 82 dbm Noise level: 97 dbm
22:57<farthing>all fans are going. open the case?
22:57<skimp>Rx invalid nwid:0 Invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
22:57<abrotman>to look at the CPU fan
22:57<skimp>Tx excessive retries 0 Invalid misc 0 Missed beacon 0
22:57<skimp>and thats it
22:57<farthing>abrotman: clear side. i can see them all spinning
22:58<chealer>skimp: what does # ifconfig wlan0; output?
22:58<phorce1>mike_: not really, mine is running lenny fine without an xorg.conf right now. I don't have a second display attached. I did temporarily many months ago but I deleted the xorg.comf when I removed that display
22:58<mike_>phorcel, removing it from my xorg should be not problem its going to the other part i need help with
22:58<chealer>skimp: s/wlan0/ra0/
22:58<skimp>its not even letting me connect to the network anymore
22:58<skimp>1 sec ill try that
22:58<farthing>would opening the case help to lower the temp?
22:58<abrotman>farthing: check the temp on CPU1
22:58<phorce1>mike_: just run whatever display management program you have installed and disable that display. For me it's nvidia-settings
22:59<mike_>phorcel how do i tell ?
22:59<skimp>chealer : "Ifconfig wlan0" right ?
22:59<abrotman>farthing: on my box .. cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature .. mnight be different on yours
22:59<farthing>i'm just installing a sensor package
23:00<phorce1>mike_: 1. use tab completion, my nick ends with a "ONE" not an "L". 2. what vido card does the Acer from hell use?
23:00<skimp>chealer: those arent working
23:00<abrotman>phorceONE: odd nick
23:00<skimp>chealer: "s/wlan0/ra0/"
23:00<mike_>phorce1, im sorry no need to snap, and two its an intel.......
23:00<phorce1>abrotman: I'll sell it one day
23:01<chealer>skimp: # ifconfig ra0
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23:01<phorce1>mike_: not snapping, just flipping between screens and may miss one of your messages if not highlighted
23:01<skimp>error fetching interface info: devide not found
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23:01<farthing>abrotman: 40 C
23:01<skimp>thtas for "# ifconfig ra0"
23:02<abrotman>farthing: that doesn't seem very high
23:02<farthing>might be wrong
23:02<skimp>nm it worked now
23:02<abrotman>mine is higher right now .. and it' snot doing anything
23:02<farthing>that's what ksensors says the cpu is at
23:02<mike_>phorce1, its cool, im just trying to figure this out its been annoying me, ill go into my conf file and pull ou tht eother display
23:02<phorce1>mike_: and, I don't know if there is an Intel video management interface program. nVidia has a nice one that allows me to turn on/off extra displays if I have them attached.
23:03<phorce1>mike_: just removing it from xorg.conf might do the trick since you're using one
23:03<skimp>chealer : pm
23:03<mike_>phorce1 ok
23:03<chealer>skimp: please use a pastebin
23:04<phorce1>abrotman: google the nick. The first 10 pages or so all point to me in one way or another with the exception of one goofball who used my nich to register on a hot-rod forum in Albuquerque, NM
23:05<skimp>not even getting online plugged in now. wtf
23:05<stevecotton>As well as an actual reading, 40 C seems to be a default value that gets printed if Linux can't read the actual temperature. :( If your computer is beeping at you, it's probably not really 40 C.
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23:06<abrotman>phorce1: you were a porn star?
23:06<abrotman>stevecotton: time fora bios check
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23:08<skimp>well, I give up, wont even get online now
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23:09<skimp>I dont know what yall had me type in that made this start happening heh
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23:12<player-nonfullscreen>need help: when i put fullscreen on mplayer, or try put any zoom, the video stay on same size, but the rest of the screen turns black. when i change to gl drivers, i can put fullscreen, but image slows. Can anyone help?
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23:14<player-nonfullscreen>player-nonfullscreen need help: when i put fullscreen on mplayer, or try put any zoom, the video stay on same size, but the rest of the screen turns black. when i change to gl drivers, i can put fullscreen, but image slows. Can anyone help?
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23:15<mike_>not working
23:16<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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23:16<mike_>abrotman, cant i use a different driver for the intle card?
23:17<abrotman>well .. vesa
23:17<mike_>abrotman, hmm
23:17<mike_>abrotman, think it will help with the problem and what are the drawbacks of vesa?
23:17<phorce1>mike_: still switches back to the laptop lcd when you start a .flv?
23:17<mike_>phorce1, yeah
23:18<phorce1>what are you using to play the .flv?
23:18<phorce1>mike_: and, do other video types work?
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23:18<mike_>phorce1, its not the issue of watching the video its anytype of flash video output crashing my browser
23:19<mike_>and my gui
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23:19<phorce1>mike_: ahhh nevermind.
23:19<mike_>lemme see if i can get it to do it and ill write down the error from the output
23:20<mike_>uggh id hate to have to switch beck to etch because of this lenny has better support for all of my other hardware
23:23<mike_>there was a package in etch for my card
23:24<player-nonfullscreen>ca anyone please help?
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23:28<phorce1>dang, I was about to suggest at least what to check for player-fullboner but s/he dropped less than a minute after that last "can anyone help"
23:28<mike_>lol phorce1, hardware wise it doesnt look much different than mine
23:29<mike_>video card and hard drive are a bit better
23:29<phorce1>mike_: they appear to have dropped debian as one of theior offered installs, I just noticed that
23:29<phorce1>They've gone with that *u* thing
23:30<mike_>phorce1 its supposedly easier to use haha
23:30<mike_>im gonna try reinstalling flash
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23:31<phorce1>mike_: I know the nVidia proprietary driver stuff is a pain in the rear but they provide such *NICE* interfaces to work with their hardware
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23:34<phorce1>mike_: what did you mean "there was a package in etch for my card"?
23:35<mike_>there was a package in etch for support of the 945 chipset
23:35<mike_>it was called liek 915 or something
23:35<mike_>but i dont see it here in lenny
23:36<stew>mike_: xserver-xorg-video-intel
23:36<mike_>ill brb guys hold that thought
23:36<abrotman>915resolution ?
23:37<mike_>thats it XD
23:37<stew>915resolution should no longer be needed afaik
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23:38<mike_>this problem will stop once i fix my display
23:38<mike_>i guess ill jusrt have to tough it till then
23:38<mike_>ill brb guys
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23:38<fullscreen-mplayer>anyone can help with the fullscreen problem?
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23:38<abrotman>phorce1: help!
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23:40<phorce1>abrotman: heh
23:40<abrotman>waht .. he came back
23:40<phorce1>fullscreen-mplayer: sounds like you have 1. the wrong video driver running and 2. are running software GL rather than hardware GL (which would be caused by 1.)
23:41<fullscreen-mplayer>what coud i did to repair?
23:41<phorce1>fullscreen-mplayer: use the right video driver
23:41<fullscreen-mplayer>iam using
23:42<fullscreen-mplayer>i deleted my xorg.conf and used the ATI installer
23:42<fullscreen-mplayer>it makes a new xorg.conf
23:43<fullscreen-mplayer>its the right from my graphic card
23:43<phorce1>fullscreen-mplayer: I use all nVidia hardware so I would be completely lost trying to help you get ATI drivers working.
23:43<fullscreen-mplayer>im using fglrx
23:43<fullscreen-mplayer>the driver is working well
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23:44<fullscreen-mplayer>with totem media player the video enters in full screen
23:44<phorce1>fullscreen-mplayer: but slow GL and broken behaviour when not using GL all says that the hardware acceleration is not installed/working right
23:44<fullscreen-mplayer>and works well
23:45<fullscreen-mplayer>i think problem is on mplayer
23:45<fullscreen-mplayer>on totem media player, video is working fine
23:46<fullscreen-mplayer>with fullscreen
23:47<fullscreen-mplayer>on mplayer it just enter on fullscreen with real size of video, and with black borders
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23:48<fullscreen-mplayer>its like a no fullscreen
23:49<fullscreen-mplayer>trying double size, it happens same thing
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23:51<fullscreen-mplayer>but i search for mplayer solution because i like his controls, and the image finishing is better
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23:53<phorce1>fullscreen-mplayer: you may want to try asking the debian-multimedia folks
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23:54<phorce1>fullscreen-mplayer: check at to see if they have a mailing list/forum. They may have an IRC chan too either here or on freenode but I don't know
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23:58<fullscreen-mplayer>if another person Knows, please tell me
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