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00:03<panagos>how can i tell apt-get update to only update one repo?
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00:05<dmoerner>panagos: comment out the other entries
00:05<dmoerner>im not sure if selective updating is possible or even desirable
00:05<panagos>dmoerner: i just want to update my local repo
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00:20<user549>anyone up? i just installed alsa and i can hear music playing using audacious, but i cant get any sound through mplayer
00:20<user549>no sound with videos at all
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00:21<enouf>panagos: why? pinning? hold? backport?
00:22<enouf>user549: missing codecs? what does mplayer output - pastebin the entire output -- tried "mplayer -ao alsa ..." ?
00:22<BaDaSs>how long do I have to wait after the installer downloads the last package before it installs them?
00:23<BaDaSs>The installer has downloaded all of the packages 834/834 but has stopped doing anything...
00:24<user549>nm. running alsaconf worked
00:24<user549>what does adding myself to the audio group do?
00:24<user549>ERROR: Could not open required DirectShow codec wmvdmod.dll
00:24<user549>that must be it
00:25<enouf>BaDaSs: be patient
00:25<BaDaSs>I'mw atching the console though enouf... It isn't doing anything after it got the last package, is it installing them with no verbose?
00:25<enouf>BaDaSs: it'll seem like a long time, but it should be working fine - i've thought that too during installation
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00:26<BaDaSs>oh, alright
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00:26<BaDaSs>I accidentally installed the Desktop Environment, is there a way to boot it up without the Desktop Environment running? with the SSH / FTP / Web Server ?
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00:27<enouf>BaDaSs: what's on alt-f4? ... just remove the DM that get's installed, i guess would be easiest
00:27<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
00:27<BaDaSs>alt-f4 just shows the last package download
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00:28<BaDaSs>so I had to install the Desktop Environment regardless? lol
00:28<enouf>BaDaSs: note; tasksel --task-packages desktop
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00:29<BaDaSs>nvm, what do you mean tasksel?
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00:30<BaDaSs>Also, I'm pretty sure the system is idle... I don't hear the harddrive or CDROM doing anything
00:30<dmoerner>someone should fix the factoid to include slim but im too lazy
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00:32<enouf>!+tell BaDaSs -about tasksel
00:32<dpkg>told BaDaSs about tasksel.
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00:32<BaDaSs>What do I do if the system is idling and the last line in ALT+F4 is the last package download?! I'm pretty sure its not doing anything
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00:38<BaDaSs>this thing is still not installing
00:38<BaDaSs>should I reboot it?
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00:43<BaDaSs>enouf: what would you suggest?
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00:45<user594>hey. i used to be able to run synaptic or firestarter from a (K)onsole logged in as root or with sudo. now i actually have to run it from the menu and enter the password manually
00:45<user594>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
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00:46<enouf>BaDaSs: i can't say really - wait .. but, maybe if you start all over, see BOOT_DEBUG= levels in the installation guide, for perhaps more info output on console
00:47<BaDaSs>I may end up doing that, and not installing so many packages to begin with, and just install the ones I know I NEED to get going, however, I would hate having to do this all over again
00:47<BaDaSs>Also, is there a reason I cannot enable Mode +X on this server?
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01:01<auditoria>i have a problem whit my video card, is a laptop SONY and know ubuntu 8.10 give wrong whit one user
01:02<auditoria>some one?
01:02<kop>!tell auditoria -about ubuntu
01:03<auditoria>see i have a problem whit my video card is nvidia
01:04<auditoria>this a privative hardware for ubuntu
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01:04<auditoria>and know in a user giveme serius problem
01:04<auditoria>ubuntu is not find my video car, what can i do?
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01:05<chealer>auditoria: what is your native language?
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01:06<chealer>auditoria: you should get more help on #debian-es. it is hard to understand your question.
01:08<auditoria>ok thanks
01:08<auditoria>sorry for my bad english
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01:48<BaDaSs>Hey, I'm using Intel GMA 4500, and I finished installing Debian Lenny RC1, and when I load it up, my monitor tells me "Input not supported" but I can ALT+F# for console
01:48<BaDaSs>What can I possibly do?
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01:49<jm_>BaDaSs: did you check if intel driver supports this chipset?
01:50<BaDaSs>lol, what do you mean jm_?
01:51<jm_>BaDaSs: why is that lol-able?
01:51<BaDaSs>I'm not sure, but I don't understand what you mean. How would I check if intel driver supports my intel chipset O_o
01:52<jm_>man intel - this shows list of supported chipsets
01:52<BaDaSs>my chipset isnt listed
01:52<BaDaSs>is there no way around this?
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01:55<chealer>BaDaSs: which video driver does X use?
01:55<BaDaSs>I don't see a driver in xorg.conf
01:56<jm_>you probably need newer version or use vesa driver
01:56<BaDaSs>UseFBDev = True
01:56<jm_>try using intel driver and check what it says in the logfile
01:56<jm_>but I doubt it'll work since it should use it by default if it supported this chipset
01:56<BaDaSs>just driver "intel"?
01:57<BaDaSs>well my chipset isnt listed in the man
01:57<BaDaSs>thats the mobo I'm using
01:57<BaDaSs>Onboard Video Chipset Intel GMA 4500
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01:58<jm_>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
01:58<judd>jm_: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 sid: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 experimental: 2:2.6.0-1
01:58<gsimmons>AFAICT, the GMA 4500 uses either an Q45 or Q43 chipset. The Q45 is at least supported by the 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' version in experimental.
01:58<jm_>or if you're brave enough use the version from experimental
01:59<chealer>BaDaSs: lenny doesn't put the video driver in xorg.conf. you have to check X logs.
01:59<BaDaSs>how do i install it O_o
01:59<enouf>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
01:59<jm_>well usefbdev is already a clue it didn't detect that intel driver would work
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02:03<BaDaSs>how do i specify to use the intel driver?
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02:04<jm_>don't bother, it won't work - just try disablign usefbdev for now
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02:07<mibber>Hello everyone. Ever since a package failed installation, it seems like I can't install or uninstall anything anymore. I was using synaptic to install. I'm using lenny by the way. Help would definitely be appreciated.
02:07<jm_>mibber: paste the exact error on pastebin
02:08<BaDaSs>how do i save and exit on vim lol
02:08<mibber>Hope I don't get banned for flooding. I've copied it into gedit.
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02:09<BaDaSs>nvm i figured it out
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02:09<BaDaSs>ok I disabled the useFBDev and im rebooting
02:09<mibber>Sorry 'bout that.
02:10<BaDaSs>Still getting the same error "Input not supported"
02:10<mibber>Should've googled pastbin first.
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02:11<jm_>mibber: check postinst script for renpy-doc
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02:12<BaDaSs>Is there anything else I can try to get my video drivers working?
02:12<jm_>what does it say about input?
02:12<mibber>@jm_: Where do I find that?
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02:12<mibber>I mean, post-inst. Sorry, I'm fairly new to Linux.
02:12<jm_>mibber: run this -- file /var/lib/dpkg/info/renpy-doc.postinst
02:13<mibber>Thanks. Will try that.
02:14<mibber>It says "/var/lib/dpkg/info/renpy-doc.postinst: data"
02:14<mibber>Should I open it with gedit instead?
02:14<jm_>try that - it sounds like the file is indeed corrupted - did you check kernel messages?
02:15<BaDaSs>I am attempting to add Driver "intel" to xorg.conf and rebooting
02:15<jm_>it's either a buggy package or you have fs/hw problems
02:15<BaDaSs>it worked jm_
02:15<jm_>BaDaSs: that's surprising
02:16<BaDaSs>yeah only because of what gsimmons said, he said GMA 4500 uses the Q45 or Q43 chipset and they are both supported by the xserver-xorg-vide-intel version
02:17<jm_>no, not in lenny
02:17<mibber>jm_: I've opened it with gedit. It's got funky looking characters. . Sorry again, but I don't know where to find kernel messages.
02:17<jm_>lenny supports 3x chipsets
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02:18<jm_>mibber: dmesg command
02:19<mibber>Thanks. Will try that.
02:20<BaDaSs>Anyways, whats the best method of getting the server to boot up without any graphical interfaces, I want it to run SQL, SSH, FTP, and have all developemental tools so I can run my software from here
02:20<chealer>jm_: yeah. I see the new chips came with a commit "Update supported hardware list"
02:20<BaDaSs>well compile and run my software
02:21<chealer>I suppose there may have been new IDs added too since lenny's version
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02:21<jm_>BaDaSs: uninstall all DM-s
02:21<BaDaSs>I also need to make sure I have all the packages I need and I'm not 100% sure which ones yet :-p
02:21<BaDaSs>theres so friggin many
02:22<jm_>chealer: just that? I checked xorg release notes and it says they will move to a completely new branch for the next release
02:22<jm_>that's OK, just keep installing them when you find out you need something
02:22<mibber>jm_: I've run demsg and there's lines upon lines of data. Is there anything specific I should be looking for?
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02:23<jm_>mibber: paste it on a pastebin - check that it won't includ eany info you wouldn't want strangers seeing
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02:25<mibber>jm_: Will do that.
02:26<chealer>jm_: I don't know. maybe some work was done to have partial support befora it was added as a supported card.
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02:30<huepf>anyone have a copy of libc6-dev_2.3.6.ds1-13etch7_i386.deb ? snapshot doesn't. are there other places?
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02:32<rzz8509>goodnite est
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02:34<BaDaSs>how do i uninstall DM-s
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02:34<Talia>Hello Everyone
02:35<Talia>I have a question for anyone...
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02:36<Talia>When I bought my laptop, my hard drive was already partitioned between c: and d:. I loaded ubuntu on D: because windows was corrupting on C: Is there anyway to erase windows from c: and use that partition?
02:36<mibber>jm_: Here's the pastebin link. I've gone through it there isn't any "not-for-strangers" lines, I think. I didn't the dmesg as root though. Not sure if it affects the output.
02:38<mibber>Talia: Use gparted? I don't know. That's what I would do.
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02:38<mibber>I'm fairly new to linux too though.
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02:39<enouf>huepf: tried /msg dpkg ado ? .. oh, i doubt it
02:39<chealer>BaDaSs: which DM-s are installed?
02:39<BaDaSs>I dunno
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02:42<BaDaSs>How do I determine which DM-s are installed on my system, and how do I remove them?
02:43<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
02:43<huepf>enouf: it's not in thanks for the pointer
02:45<jm_>mibber: can't find anything wrong there
02:45<petern>i thought we weren't supposed to use apt-get these days...
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02:46<enouf>huepf: er .. i actually have that exact .deb here O_o
02:46<mibber>jm_: Maybe I should run dmesg as root?
02:46<enouf>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2717768 Jun 9 2008 libc6-dev_2.3.6.ds1-13etch7_i386.deb
02:46<huepf>enouf: if you could tell me a hash of its usr/include/limits.h i'd be fine :)
02:47<jm_>mibber: naah, it's OK -- run dmesg /var/cache/apt/archives/renpy-doc_6.6.2.dfsg1-1_all.deb
02:47<mibber>jm_: Will do.
02:48<jm_>mibber: uhm stupid me, md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/renpy-doc_6.6.2.dfsg1-1_all.deb
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02:50<huepf>enouf: cd /tmp; ar x ///libc6-dev-_*; tar zxf data.tar.gz; sha1sum < usr/include/limits.h
02:51<mibber>jm_: Oh okay. Will do that. I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I've already rebooted after the errors popped up. The messages from dmesg look like stuff booting up looks like so maybe there's an effect or something.
02:52<jm_>mibber: yes, in that case check logfiles
02:52<mibber>284cf9620ce6d92066409c73c11b7c0c /var/cache/apt/archives/renpy-doc_6.6.2.dfsg1-1_all.deb
02:52<jm_>mibber: that looks OK so something went wrong unpacking the file
02:54<mibber>jm_: Where do I check the logfiles? I've been tryied to remove Ren'py and company using synaptic but they just won't budge.
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02:55<jm_>mibber: they are text files in /var/log - especially check syslog, messages and kern.log files
02:56<mibber>jm_: I think I found it under system tools. It says system log viewer. Probably it.
02:56<jm_>mibber: could be
02:56<jm_>mibber: but maybe that just shows new messages coming in
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02:57<enouf>huepf: /tmp/libc6-test/usr/include$ sha1sum limits.h
02:57<enouf>e9f56cfcdb6bcec9ca6c68dbd1615588096ce13a limits.h
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02:58<BaDaSs>whats the package for SSH Server
02:58<jm_>BaDaSs: do you know how to search for packages?
02:58<mibber>jm_: It looks like the dmesg output from a while ago. I'll go check /var/log
02:58<BaDaSs>can i use apt-get?
02:58<jm_>!tell BaDaSs -about search
02:58<BaDaSs>lol wee
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02:59<huepf>enouf: thanks :-) they haven't changed it between 13etch7 and 13etch8. lesson learned: "make backups before editing system files"
03:00<BaDaSs>ok, how do i do a search and have it pause after my screen fills >< I can't look at all of it
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03:00<jm_>use a pager: command|more
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03:02<huepf>and guess what i have in /var/cache/apt/archives/ doh!
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03:06<BaDaSs>Sorry to keep bothering you guys, but how can i get the SMP kernel on here?
03:06<jm_>your kernel is SMP
03:06<laquadrapril>Is there a way to install an install server (pxe+tftp-ha+dhcp3-server) that would install a debian on every computer that I would boot in PXE mode in the same subnet (not regarding the hardware address ?)
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03:12<chealer>BaDaSs: there are several SMP Linux images.
03:12<BaDaSs>I have 6GB of ram in my pc jm_
03:12<BaDaSs>but its only telling me I have 2.6
03:12<jm_>BaDaSs: you need highmem kernel
03:13<BaDaSs>is it possible to implement the kernel without having to reinstall?
03:13<jm_>of course
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03:20<mibber>jm_: Here's the pastbin link for the syslog. .
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03:22<jm_>mibber: does this return any text? zegrep 'error|status' /var/log/*
03:23<jm_>mibber: if it does, it should be in the former error=foo or status=bar
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03:23<jm_>in the form*
03:23<mibber>jm_: I'll go check
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03:27<mibber>jm_: it return a whole lot of text.
03:27<mibber>I'll paste the lines since after I tried installing ren'py.
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03:37<mibber>jm_: Sorry for the wait. here's the pasta bin link : .
03:39<mibber>I was installingi it along with bluefish, screem, and geany by the way.
03:39<jm_>mibber: sure enough, /var/log/kern.log:Jan 19 21:06:43 debian kernel: [ 5279.010544] EXT2-fs error (device hda3): ext2_check_page: bad entry in directory #294080: : rec_len is smaller than mini
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03:40<mibber>jm_: what does that mean?
03:40<mibber>And what do I do?
03:40<jm_>mibber: it suggests hardware errors to me
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03:41<sander_m>Hi. I have a question about custom init scripts. I have a simple init script that makes a backup[ of my system using `rsync -vv` and I have symlinked it as /etc/rc0.d/K00backup and /etc/rc6.d/K00backup. Under Etch I would see the output of rsync but under Lenny I don't see anything. How do I make the output of my backup init script show when I shut down or reboot my system?
03:42<mibber>jm_: would reinstalling debian fix it?
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03:42<jm_>mibber: I doubt it, try extensive memtest runs
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03:44<mibber>jm_ : I've never really had this problem before. Although I think I did fsck several times after the installation. By memtest do you mean the one using a live/installation cd?
03:44<jm_>mibber: you can also install a package in Debian and it will be added to your boot laoder's menu where you can then select it and it runs
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03:46<mibber>jm_: So I just need to install a new package?
03:47<jm_>mibber: right, but to do that you need to fix current mess -- simply move that postinst script to /var/tmp
03:48<jm_>then run 'dpkg --pending --configure' and it should succeed
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03:50<mibber>jm_: So I move the ren'py postinst script to /var/tmp then run 'dpkg --pending --configure'
03:50<mibber>Will do that.
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03:50<BaDaSs>How can I set a Static IP for eth0?
03:51<amphi>BaDaSs: man 5 interfaces
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03:58<mibber>jm_: Moved the Ren'py postinst script to /var/tmp. Still no luck after running dpkg --pending --configure though.
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03:59<xlotlu>moin amphi
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04:03<jm_>mibber: what happens now?
04:04<mibber>jm_: Same error as before. .
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04:05<mibber>jm_: I'm thinking of moving all the offending postinst files
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04:05<metalqga>does intel's atom processor (2cored) need some specially optimized kernel?
04:05<jm_>mibber: uhh this doesn't look good
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04:05<jm_>metalqga: not really
04:05<metalqga>i read it could run with core2duo's instruction set
04:06<mibber>jm_: Is it serious?
04:07<jm_>mibber: definitely, with so many files being corrupted, who knows what else is not OK too - you need to compare md5sum-s
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04:09<mibber>jm_: I think all those files are all related to the ren'py install. I'm not too sure about libsdl-sound1.2 though. How do I compare md5sums?
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04:11<jm_>mibber: yes, something went very bad when you were installing that -- normally one would use debsums package, but you can use md5sum command manually with /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sum files
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04:21<mibber>jm_: Here's the md5sums
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04:22<jm_>mibber: you need to run it like this -- cd / && for a in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sum; do md5sum -c $a >/dev/null; done
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04:23<mibber>jm_: Will do
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04:27<lukegeorge>Hi all
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04:27<lukegeorge>Does somebody have some issues with the ndiswrapper driver?
04:27<lukegeorge>for example
04:28<lukegeorge>the net is blocked while you're working
04:28<lukegeorge>after 1 minutes or 1 hour?
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04:36<Imagandi>hi there can some one tell me the usage of ls -b
04:36<Imagandi>and is ls -b = echo - e ?
04:37<mibber>jm_: It says "md5sum: WARNING: 2 of 1629 listed files could not be read md5sum: WARNING: 1 of 100 computed checksums did NOT match" There's loads of text coming upscreen as well. I'll put it up in pastebin in a while.
04:37<petern>huh? why would 'ls -b' = 'echo - e'?
04:37<Imagandi>ls -b show files with octal escape
04:38<Imagandi>echo -e make the same
04:38<mibber>I'm not running it as root by the way.
04:38<Imagandi>i may wrong infact
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04:38<Imagandi>but i cant find something with octal escape to make test
04:38<Imagandi>thats why i ask
04:39<Stuckey>I just installed mplayer on a powerpc machine and I got an error through apt that says Errors were encounted while processing: initramfs-tools E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
04:39<Stuckey>anyone know what this means?
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04:40<jm_>mibber: yeah better run it as root, but most of that is ok if run as user; I also see I gave you a shitty command so one can't say where the problems are
04:41<jm_>mibber: cd / && for a in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums ; do echo $a;md5sum -c $a >/dev/null; done
04:42<mibber>jm_: Okay, will run that as root. I'll put up the previous command's output in a short while.
04:43<jm_>mibber: naah, just do the new one
04:43<mibber>Okay then.
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04:46<mibber>j_: Would you happen to know save output as text? There's a lot of it coming out. I tried appending '> /home/user/file.txt' to the command but apparently it won't work.
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04:46<mibber>jm_: Would you happen to know save output as text? There's a lot of it coming out. I tried appending '> /home/user/file.txt' to the command but apparently it won't work.
04:47<jurg>Try >& instead of just >
04:48<jm_>mibber: I wanted to avoid doing it because of your fs issues, but here it goes cd / && for a in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums ; do echo $a;md5sum -c $a; done >/var/tmp/md5sum.txt 2>/var/tmp/md5sum-errors.txt
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04:50<mibber>Thanks guys. It seems like its saving to a txt file now. I'll put it up in a while.
04:50<Stuckey>Does anyone know how I can use apt-cache to display all the different window managers in the repository? Someone on here told me that command but I've forgotten it...
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04:51<jm_>Stuckey: apt-cache search window-manager
04:51<Stuckey>jm_, thanks, but this command looked like in a category and made a nice neat little list
04:51<Stuckey>Like it pulled up the "window-manager category" in the repository
04:51<jm_>Stuckey: debtags?
04:52<Stuckey>jm_, I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure it was with apt
04:52<jm_>Stuckey: well aptitude has more advance search options
04:52<Stuckey>jm_, i'll look in the manual... thanks.
04:52<jm_>not sure hwy you don't like that command though :)
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04:54<Stuckey>jm_, do you know how I can tell which desktop environment is installed on a paticular machine from the command line?
04:54<jm_>Stuckey: yes
04:54<Stuckey>jm_, Would you tell me please?
04:55<jm_>Stuckey: another yes/no question ;) -- update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
04:55<Stuckey>jm_, I don't have update-alternatives
04:56<jm_>Stuckey: run it as root
04:56<Stuckey>ah! sorry
04:56<Stuckey>jm_, thanks
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04:57<Stuckey>jm_, You wouldn't happen to know the different options for the gnome-desktop, like, one's like gnone-full the other is essential?
04:58<jm_>!tell Stuckey about install gnome
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04:59<Stuckey>jm_, okay so then I need to set up x by myself, right?
04:59<Stuckey>!tell Stuckey about set up x
04:59<jm_>Stuckey: why?
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04:59<Stuckey>!tell jm_ about install gnome
04:59<Stuckey>jm_, it says, you need to install x
05:00<Stuckey>If you're install gnome-core, that doesn't include x
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05:00<jm_>Stuckey: it includes some of it, you don't need to worry about that if X server is already installed
05:01<Stuckey>jm_, okay thanks again.
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05:05<mibber>jm_: Here's the pastebin link for the md5sum-errors.txt file. . I'm not sure if the other file is done yet though. The root terminal hasn't returned to the pound prompt yet.
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05:06<jm_>mibber: errors file is not done either done
05:07<mibber>jm_: I see. I guess I just have to wait some more. Running the command a while ago didn't take this long though.
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05:09<jm_>mibber: the output is alresady problematic
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05:09<mibber>jm_: What's wrong with the output?
05:10<jm_>mibber: notice zillion of No such file of directory errors? well that is wrong
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05:12<mibber>jm_: Oh, that's from freecol. I wouldn't mind uninstalling that.
05:12<jm_>mibber: yes, but the errors shouldn't be there, and then there are others for libc6
05:13<mibber>jm:_ Does this mean that I require a reinstall?
05:13<mibber>jm_: Does this mean that I require a reinstall?
05:14<jm_>mibber: if it doesn't bother you, then that's the best options - but the problem is you still don't know why this happened (the only clue were DMA timeouts)
05:14<mibber>jm_: What are DMA timouts?
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05:15<jm_>mibber: it means the operation took longer than driver expected
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05:17<mibber>jm_: Well, I guess I'll just reinstall then. Regardless, thanks jm_. Appreciate your time.
05:17<jm_>mibber: but I would still run memtest first
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05:18<mibber>jm_: Oh okay. I'll do that after rebooting. Hopefully that will fix things.
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05:21<jm_>mibber: reoobt very rarely fixes anything
05:21<mibber>jm_: I mean the memtest. I think I can run that using the installation cd.
05:22<jm_>mibber: yes, I do remember it was on the installation CD at one point, but not anymore
05:22<hollo>hi, i know this is the wrong channel to ask.. but maybe someone know a bit of networking.. im looking for a great way to allocate my range of ipaddresses into small subnets.. will this be with the use of osfp or bgp routing? or are there any other technology i should know of?
05:23<hollo>for instance, i have a range.., and wants to make ex. a small network
05:23<mibber>jm_: I have an xfce live cd. I think that has one. But is there a command I can otherwise use?
05:23<mibber>jm_: I mean, for a memtest without rebooting.
05:24<jm_>mibber: there are some tools that can be used during runtime, but memtest is a much better option
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05:28<mgoetze>hollo: if you have a /24, then it's too early to think about ospf or bgp, they are for bigger things
05:29<mibber>jm_: Okay then. I'll be running memtest in a while. Hopefully things get fixed.
05:29<hollo>mgoetze, hmm.. what else should i use tho? what would be "the right way" to allocate someone a /29 network?
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05:29<hollo>as an example..
05:29<mgoetze>hollo: how about static routes?
05:30<hollo>mgoetze, just my issue is ip take overs.. and someone in theory can take the my gateway
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05:31<mgoetze>hollo: i don't understand, anyway it doesn't make sense to have this discussion unless you tell us about your network topology
05:31<hollo>mgoetze, hmm.. a static route, that could be a solution.. but, im trying to figure out that is the right way.. and then find out which kind of hardware that will end up in that i can allocate a port in a swith to a static network
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05:33<hollo>mgoetze, well.. basically im really new into networking.. and im trying to figure out where i need to start my research.. and well my goal is, to have this switch where i can allocate each port to a specific network..
05:33<mgoetze>hollo: what are you talking about? a colo rack? a home network with a dsl router? a small business with a t1?
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05:34<mgoetze>hollo: so you have a switch and a linux system as a router? is the switch capable of VLANs?
05:35<hollo>mgoetze, that correct.. i have a switch which support VLANS, and i have my debian box as a router..
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05:35<hollo>mgoetze, my switch do also support osfp, which i thought was a great way to "bind" a vlan to a port.. and allocate a network to a specific VLAN.. but i have figured out that osfp is pretty heavy for this kind of task
05:36<mgoetze>hollo: so you just have a bunch of ports with one VLAN each, and trunk all those VLANs onto the port where the debian router is
05:36<hollo>mgoetze, and i have asked a couple of friends which has pointed me in the direction of BGP routing..
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05:37<mgoetze>hollo: then you create a bunch of VLAN interfaces with addresses like,, etc.
05:37<mgoetze>hollo: you don't need any routing protocols as you only have one router
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05:38<hollo>mgoetze, oh okay.. but, if i allocate a user the network, then will be there gateway.. that will require 2 ip-addr for my router.. and then make a static route that route all traffic from out on the internet via my defauult gw?
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05:40<hollo>mgoetze, do you think that will be an way of doing this as far as i dont have more ip-addresses as i got?
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05:40<mgoetze>hollo: surely you already have a route to send traffic to the internet via your default gw?
05:40<hollo>mgoetze, or did you have something else in mind?
05:41<mgoetze>hollo: routing tables don't, generally speaking, care about where things came from, only where they're going
05:41<hollo>mgoetze, yes i have a route to send traffic to the internet.. just if i allocate a user the network, they will not be able to find my default gw.. so i need to do some routing
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05:42<mgoetze>hollo: you mean give them the network
05:42<mgoetze>hollo: then they use as the gateway (which is your debian box) - now you just have to enable forwarding on your debian box
05:42<hollo>mgoetze, oh.. im kind of lame..
05:43<hollo>mgoetze, thanks .. i dont know why i wanted to transfer data from on ip addr to an another ip-addr on the same box..
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05:43<mgoetze>hollo: no problem :)
05:44<hollo>mgoetze, now i see how i can accoplish this.. thank you very much for sharing some thoughts..
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05:56<mibber>jm_: Still in? I ran the memtest, but still no luck. It didn't report any errors. I guess I'll just have to make do without installing or updating anything in the meantime.
05:56<jm_>mibber: memtest86?
05:57<mibber>I think it was memtest 82+ I'm not certain. IT had a blinking red plus sign after it.
05:57<mibber>Or was it 86.2+
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05:57<jm_>mibber: yeah it's not perfect, you'd want to keep it running overnight
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05:58<mibber>jm_: memtest?
05:58<jm_>mibber: yup
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05:59<mibber>jm_: It finished without errors though. Are there options I should turn on or anything? I just ran the default test.
06:00<jm_>mibber: defaults are fine IIRC
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06:00<jm_>mibber: yeah, the downside is it doesn't always report errors even though there are
06:00<mibber>jm_: I see. Anyway, I'll leave it running later. Maybe something will come up, hopefully.
06:02<jm_>I had a case like that recently, we got upgrade at work, but since we only have 4 slots on motherboard, one user would take 4 old chips, one 2 new, I got 4 old, hich work fine in pair, but combining all 4 resulted in all sort of issue, memtest reported nothing
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06:04<mibber>I guess it does need to be run multiple times. And its kind of funny as well. It finished checking at around 118% instead of 100%. I'm not sure if that's erlevant.
06:04<jm_>really? it counted properly for me
06:04<mibber>Yeah. Same thing last time I ran it before this installation issue.
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06:05<mibber>It exceeded the 100% passing rate.
06:05<mibber>Although maybe that's just becasue my machine has old RAm or something. I'm not sure.
06:06<jm_>it might also be some driver issue
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06:08<mibber>The only driver I didn't bother installing was the one for the wifi card. Linux said that it was proprietary, and that I should insert the disk etc etc. But since I don't use WiFi anyway I didn't bother installign it.
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06:09<mibber>Regardless, thanks jm_. Maybe something will come up in the future. In the meantime, I'll just make do with the current state of my machine. It's pretty old so I guess its just starting to act up.
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06:11<jm_>mibber: so you have Debian on it for a while?
06:12<mibber>jm_: it's been running debian since late December I think.
06:13<mibber>So, that's approximately one month.
06:13<mibber>It has been running pretty well before this issue though. Its fast and responsive.
06:13<mibber>Well, compared to windows.
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06:14<abysed><3 debian already
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06:15<abysed>just a psa
06:16<jm_>mibber: what has changed lately?
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06:17<mibber>jm_: Well, I've been forced to run fsck more lately. Well, definitely after that Ren'py failed install.
06:18<mibber>But I've run fsck once before that I think.
06:18<jm_>mibber: that means it started happening earlier, unless it was mount count/time based check
06:19<mibber>Yeah. It was probably during that time when I was (foolishly) using the disk usage analyzer while synaptic was installing something.
06:19<jm_>that doesn't cause any harm
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06:21<JustSoul>When I fdisk'ing md-device, it show "WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22 <...>The new table will be used at the next reboot.", and there is no /dev/md?p?? devices. It is possible to reread partition table without rebooting?
06:21<mibber>jm_: I hope so. I had to fsck right after that I think. Although my memory's kind of fuzzy already. I had the disk usage analyzer scan usage of my drive, and while it was scanning, synaptic started installing something.
06:22<mibber>jm_: But I do mount a vfat drive every now and then.
06:22<mibber>And an NTFS one too, although very rarely.
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06:23<javikal>Hi all the people, I have a qüestion about accentuation in text mode in Debian Etch, specifically in open accentuation, for example in Català(es_CA) language, I have reconfigured locales and console-data and the problem it's not solved, when I list a file o directory with open accentuation appears a symbol qüestion, I have to export in bashrc?
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06:23<javikal>JustSoul-> prove testdisk
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06:24<jm_>mibber: this only applies to ext2/3
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06:25<mibber>javikal: Maybe you need to install the appropriate fonts? Not sure though.
06:25<jm_>javikal: do you have appropriate locale set when you login? is the file in the right encoding?
06:25<mibber>jm_: Well, besides those, I don't think I've been doing anything out of the ordinary.
06:26<jm_>mibber: it's not that, it must be hardware/driver issue
06:26<jm_>javikal: the right font loaded?
06:27<javikal>I don't know surely, the locales are ok with utf-8
06:27<mibber>jm_: Maybe its my sound card.
06:27<jm_>mibber: naah ;)
06:28<JustSoul>javikal: i don't need to recover it, i just made it
06:28<JustSoul>javikal: and want to use
06:28<javikal>JustSoul: ok sorry
06:28<mibber>jm_: Well, for one, I can't play midi. Even when I installed the appropriate player. And Ren'py seems to be complaining about libsound something.
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06:29<jm_>JustSoul? well if the ioctl failed then it's not going to help to rerun it, but yes, sfdisk can ask the kernel to reload it
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06:29<javikal>JustSoul: You wanna create a ext2/3 filesystem, what type of hardisk is=
06:29<jm_>mibber: for most players you need MIDI drivers loaded, then there's always mikmod
06:30<JustSoul>javikal: md raid5
06:30<javikal>JustSoul: ah ok
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06:31<mibber>jm_: I guess I just wasn't able to install the midi drivers then.
06:31<javikal>JustSoul: apt-cache search md raid
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06:31<jm_>mibber: are you sure your card has MIDI support?
06:33<mibber>jm_: I think it has. Although I'm not sure anymore. But I wouldn't mind even if it didn't. I've already reinstalled linux since after that last time I tried playing midi.
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06:33<jm_>mibber: well use mikmod if all other options fail
06:33<mibber>jm_: Okay. Thanks.
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06:34<JustSoul>jm_: "#sfdisk -R /dev/md2
06:34<JustSoul>BLKRRPART: wrong argument"
06:34<JustSoul>Will wait for night ;(
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06:35<jm_>JustSoul: you would probably need to do this for the disk where you created partitions for use in RAID
06:37<JustSoul>jm_: emm.. I use /dev/hd[c-g] without partitioning
06:38<jm_>JustSoul: so whole drives in RAID or what?
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06:39<JustSoul>jm_: yes, whole. Then I use fdisk on /dev/md2, and it created (inside) md2p1, md2p2.
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06:39<JustSoul>but those device not appeared in /dev
06:39<jeffd>What was the package/script that was meant for automatically modifying the changelog in a debian package source?
06:39<jm_>jeffd: dch
06:41<jeffd>Thank you.
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06:41<jm_>JustSoul: was it done with mdadm?
06:41<jm_>JustSoul: anything in /proc/mdstat?
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06:43<JustSoul>yes, /dev/md2 works perfectly, but my Boss want to split it in two partitions [and crypt one of them :( ]
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06:43<jm_>sounds like it would be better if you used LVM or somesuch
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06:46<JustSoul>jm_: You think? I want to fdisk to md2p1 and md2p2, and second crypt with cryptsetup..
06:46<javikal>When i remove @EURO from my locales appears a perl error:perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
06:46<JustSoul>without anything else
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06:47<jm_>JustSoul: but those are already partitions
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06:47<JustSoul>jm_: but not appeared in /dev
06:47<jm_>JustSoul: or simply partition hd[c-g] and then create two RAID devices
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06:49<javikal>I'm approching to the problem: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
06:49<JustSoul>jm_: _another two RAID devices_ =)
06:49<JustSoul>I'll wait for night and try to reboot and continue my idea..
06:49<JustSoul>jm_: let's see tomorrow
06:49<jm_>JustSoul: I somehow think it won't work since kernel reported invalid argument
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06:56<javikal>first step: perl error, solved with: LC_ALL="C" && export LC_ALL="C"
06:56<jm_>it's a warning not an error
06:57<javikal>jm_: thanks for the specification
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06:57<javikal>now, i think that i have a problem with the fonts
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06:58<javikal>when i do: touch À && ls appears ?? but when i do: rm À appears correctly in command prompt
06:59<jm_>you mean ls is showing wrong outpout?
06:59<javikal>jm_: yes
06:59<javikal>list À file as ??
06:59<jm_>javikal: then you may need to read about NLS kernel modules
07:00<javikal>jm_: ok i'm going to do
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07:13<javikal>probably i have to patch the kernel, saw in:
07:13<javikal>thanks for the help
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07:15<jm_>naah Debian kernels have NLS modules available
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07:19<XS|AureZ>Anyone here?
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07:23<XS|AureZ>Im running a gameserver company, and i have installed debian 4.0 64bit, but it gets tickdrops when there are 12 peolpe in the gameserver
07:24<XS|AureZ>And its very strange because the specs of the machine its very high
07:24<petemc>whats a tickdrop then?
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07:25<XS|AureZ>Normaly it has 100 tick, but it drops to very low tick sometimes, and may have something to do with frequenty timer at the system
07:26<XS|AureZ>Some peolpe say the kernel must have 1000hz
07:26<XS|AureZ>For gamehosting
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07:28<XS|AureZ>Its the kernel 1000hz as default? on debian 4.0
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07:31<jm_>XS|AureZ: you can find out for yourself
07:32<XS|AureZ>Thats why i ask for your help
07:32<jm_>grep CONFIG_HZ /proc/config-$(uname -r)
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07:33<petemc>do debian kernels have /proc/config ?
07:33<jm_>I don't think so
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07:33<petemc> grep CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r)
07:33<jm_>I wanted to say /boot :)
07:33<jm_>I was wondering for a while why you were asking :P
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07:34<XS|AureZ># CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
07:34<XS|AureZ># CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
07:34<XS|AureZ># CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
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07:37<weasel>what does a gene region on the y chromosom have to do with it?
07:37<XS|AureZ>Its there any guide somewhere to recompile debian 4.0
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07:40<XS|AureZ>Did you get something stuck in your mouth?
07:46<jackyf>XS|AureZ: download deb-src and compile them
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07:47<themill>!wayttd XS|AureZ
07:47<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, XS|AureZ?
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08:15<Honksu>deb unstable main contrib non-free || is legal line in /etc/apt/sources.list?
08:17<erKURITA>probably you'll need a last / in that URL
08:18<Honksu>How can I configure my system so that it is unstable but it gets packages from testing if they are not in testing and from stable if they are not in unstable and testing? Or are all packegas in debain also available in unstable tree?
08:18<jm_>Honksu: why don't you use
08:18<Honksu>I use it. XD
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08:18<Honksu>Just took the example line from net...
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08:19<Honksu>To be telling the truth I use funet bacause I am connected to funet with 100Mbps shared connection but I get atleast 40% of that 100mbps.
08:19<jm_>that makes no sense - how would you get "packages from testing if they are not in testing"?
08:20<Honksu>How can I configure my system so that it is unstable but it gets packages from testing if they are not in unstable and from stable if they are not in unstable and testing? Or are all packegas in debain also available in unstable tree?
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08:20<Honksu>Better now?
08:20<weasel>1) that's stupid, why would you ever want to do that
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08:20<weasel>2) just add lines for sid, lenny and etch to your sources.list
08:21<Lenhix>I understand what you are trying to achieve... I can only think of adding stable, testing and unstable repos to your sources.list.. though itt'd generate conflicts
08:21<Lenhix>Wel.. I guess they are prioritizable but dunno how
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08:23<XS|AureZ>Anyone knows a guide where i can recompile the debian4.0?
08:23<Txt-file1>!wayttd XS|AureZ
08:23<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, XS|AureZ?
08:23<Honksu>Lenhix This is how to priorities work
08:23<XS|AureZ>I want to change the user hz to be 1000 too
08:24<XS|AureZ>Some things need to be changed to run gameservers on it
08:24<jackyf>not debian, but kernel
08:24<jackyf>install kernel-package
08:24<jackyf>run menuconfig
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08:25<jackyf>then follow instructions from the kernel-package docs
08:25<XS|AureZ>Where do i get the kernel package?
08:25<Lenhix>Isn't as easy as changing hz's UID to 1000? (perhaps I don't understand whay you are really trying to do)
08:25<XS|AureZ>Because i have a very heavy machine, but it still laggs in games
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08:26<Woet>Is it possible to have tabs with screen, or any other app?
08:26<Woet>I would like to have multiple SSH sessions at once, and to be able to switch through them with ease
08:26<Honksu>This is good guide for compiling kernel in debian. I have never read instructions from kernel-pakcage docs...
08:26<weasel>Woet: what do you mean with "tabs with screen"?
08:27<sevele>hello everyone
08:27<Lenhix>Woet: ctrl-a and then space in screne
08:27<Woet>weasel: that I can have multiple screens, each with a SSH session
08:27<Woet>let me have a look Lenhix.
08:27<XS|AureZ>I may know why :P
08:27<debam>hi to all, i am getting error while creating debian install cd as make status
08:27<debam>make: *** No rule to make target `pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap
08:27<weasel>Woet: yes, or you could have one screen with all your ssh sessions
08:27<XS|AureZ>The hz its only set to 250
08:27<Woet>weasel: okay, how?
08:27<XS|AureZ>Its there a guide for changning that?
08:27<Lenhix>that's better... weasel
08:27<weasel>Woet: well
08:27<Lenhix>Install "screen" Woet
08:27<weasel>Woet: let's back up a bit
08:27<weasel>Woet: what do you mean when you say "screen"?
08:27<weasel>Woet: do you mean the screen program?
08:27<Woet>the applcation 'screen'.
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08:28<weasel>and in screen you can have many windows, you know that?
08:28<Woet>I know it's possible, my question is how :)
08:28<weasel>makes a new one
08:28<Lenhix>sevele: I think we don't understand japanese/chinese/corean/whatever that is
08:28<weasel>^A-<number> switches between them
08:28<jm_>info screen explains how to use it
08:28<weasel>see screen's manpage
08:28<Woet>weasel: is it possible to display the tabs too?
08:28<Lenhix>^A-n switches to next, ^A-p switches to previous
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08:29<weasel>Woet: also, I have Ctrl-<left> and Ctrl-<right> mapped to next/previous window
08:29<weasel>maybe copy as your ~/.screenrc
08:29<Woet>cool, will do that
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08:30<XS|AureZ>Its there a command for chaning the hz only?
08:30<Lenhix>What is the hz?
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08:31<sevele> I can speak English
08:32<Woet>weasel: cool stuff, thanks!
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08:33<Woet>weasel: ctrl left/right don't work here though
08:33<Woet>i do see tabs now though
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08:33<weasel>Woet: in a screen, run "cat > /dev/null"
08:33<weasel>Woet: press ^-<left>
08:33<weasel>what does it show?
08:34<weasel>change the bindkey settings, or add new ones
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08:34<Lenhix>Uhm... where's the tab part that Woet wanted in that screenrc?
08:35<jm_>Lenhix: caption
08:35<jm_>he wanted a list of screens
08:35<Lenhix>Uhm, ok
08:36<sevele>Lenhix:You can't understand Chinese,I can speak English!
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08:36<user311>hi who is good there on ndiswrapper
08:36<Lenhix>nice, sevele
08:37<XS|AureZ>How do i change the hz?
08:37<gsimmons>user311: Just ask your question. There is also #ndiswrapper on
08:37<XS|AureZ>Its there a command?
08:37<user311>ok ty
08:37<Lenhix>XS|AureZ: hz is the hour zone?
08:37<XS|AureZ>Frequentiy timer
08:38<XS|AureZ>Kernel its default 250hz
08:38<Woet>recompile the kernel, XS|AureZ
08:38<XS|AureZ>Its there a guide i can use than?
08:38<Woet>i'm looking
08:38<jm_>it's 1000 as we have found out a while ago
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08:38<Woet>i got one somewhere
08:38<Woet>XS|AureZ: you want 1000 FPS?
08:38<XS|AureZ>Can i pm you?
08:38<user311>i installe ndiswrapper successfuly and installe a driver by ndiswrapper -i ... , and when i load with modprobe ndiswrapper there is no error
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08:39<user311>but my lan card dont work it says always no lan card detecte
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08:42<gsimmons>user311: Which device are you attempting to use? Does it appear in iwconfig output?
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08:42<user311>no normaly if worked it would appear on ifconfig
08:43<user311>but when i try modprobe -l ndiswrapper it shows that module is loaded
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08:44<gsimmons>user311: Please provide the output of "ndiswrapper -l" at a paste site.
08:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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08:45<user311>ok w8 a litle im not on the pc with debian imust copy it into usb disk
08:45<user311>what i copy 2
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08:47<sevele>Lenhix, Where are you from?
08:47<Wndows_Error>what command line program will assemble perl?
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08:48<user311>ndiswrapper -l out put is "driver installed :netslnt"
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08:48<user311>which is the driver of my lan card
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08:51<gsimmons>user311: I'm after the complete output where possible, as it includes the vendor/device ID. You can redirect its output to a file (eg. ndiswrapper -l > output.txt), copy the file to your USB disk, then upload this to a paste site.
08:52<user311>its only what is shows
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08:52<user311>ndiswrapper -i > driver installed : netslnt
08:53<user311>ndiswrapper -l > driver installed : netslnt
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08:56<gsimmons>user311: Only one line? Then NDISwrapper hasn't found your device. You've probably installed the wrong NDIS driver, or the device isn't connected. Again, which wireless LAN device are you attempting to use? (eg. brand/model, revision/version if known).
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08:58<user311>its not wireless
08:59<user311>its a chinese lan card
08:59<user311>i sucessfully used it yesterday
09:00<user311>but when i rebooted the pc it havnt worked again
09:00<jm_>what does lspci say for it?
09:00<user311>ok brb
09:00<gsimmons>This better not be a RTL8139...
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09:03<Honksu>is it normal behavior if result of command: apt-get update + apt-get upgrade is: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 539 not upgraded?
09:03<Honksu>So 539 is number of installed packages or it should be 0?
09:03<Honksu>Just can't remember how it should be...
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09:07<user311>ty all it worked with a reboot
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09:17<Woet>weasel: I don't get it, ctrl left/right won't work at all
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09:53<stratos>i need help
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09:53<stratos>how can i conect to a chanell?
09:53<helli0n>.........../j #channel
09:54<dacheng>stratos, /join #xxxx
09:55<stratos>can i conect to a mirc channel?
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09:57<helli0n>just a dif client
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09:58<client>someone say my name?
09:58<petemc> /lastlog -hilight
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10:00<stratos>i want to ask if there is any way to connect to #hellas channel of mirc and how to do it?
10:00<petemc>mirc is a windows irc client, this is a debian linux support channel
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10:01<stratos>and is there a way to connect between them?
10:01<petemc>i, and probably most everyone here, know nothing about mirc
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10:02<helli0n>what server is #hellas on?
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10:04<stew>stratos: do you have any debian related questions?
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10:05<stew>stratos: what is your debian related question?
10:05<stratos>i do not know how to shose between to 2 shound carts of my pc
10:05<stew>stratos: run 'alsaconf'
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10:06<stratos>stratos@stratos-desktop:~$ alsaconf
10:06<stratos>bash: alsaconf: command not found
10:07<stew>stratos: "aptitude install alsa-utils" then try alsaconf again
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10:09<stew>stratos: oh, and alsaconf needs to be run as root
10:09<XS|AureZ>I need to change the from 250hz to 1000hz where can i do that?
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10:09<XS|AureZ>Is there a easy way to change it?
10:10<stew>XS|AureZ: no, you'd need to compile your own kernel
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10:10<stew>XS|AureZ: /msg dpkg kp
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10:11<stew>XS|AureZ: you'd need to compile a new kernel, the recommended way of compiling a kernel is using make-kpkg from the kernel-package package, see "/msg dpkg kp" for more info
10:11<Txt-file>dpkg tell XS|AureZ about kp
10:12<stratos>stratos@stratos-desktop:~$ root alsaconf
10:12<stratos>bash: root: command not found
10:12<stratos>stratos@stratos-desktop:~$ bash: root:alsaconf
10:12<stratos>bash: bash:: command not found
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10:13<XS|AureZ>I have done what he said
10:13<XS|AureZ>Wget and that stuff what now?
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10:14<julian>no entiendo ingles
10:14<XS|AureZ>I cant see the readme
10:14<julian>que te den
10:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:14<stew>julian: english only in here please
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10:15<stew>XS|AureZ: have you installed the kernel source?
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10:15<XS|AureZ>Apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev i only done that
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10:16<stew>XS|AureZ: what version of debian are you running?
10:16<XS|AureZ>Debian 4.0
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10:18<stew>XS|AureZ: then also install linux-source-2.6.24, which will put a tarball of the kernel source in /usr/src, unpack that, then configure the kernel with "make menuconfig", possibly after copying the current config from /boot, then run make-kpkg to build a .deb of the kernel: /msg dpkg kp mantra
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10:21<XS|AureZ>Isnt there an auto isntall program for chaning the hz?
10:22<Txt-file>crazynuxer: some problem/question?
10:22<Txt-file>XS|AureZ: how long are you using linux?
10:22<XS|AureZ>Like 2-3 days
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10:22<crazynuxer>i am from indonesia
10:22<stew>XS|AureZ: no, there isn't an auto install program. you may want to look for the kernel HOWTO for instructions on configuring the kernel
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10:23<crazynuxer>and i want create debian community at indonesia
10:23<crazynuxer>can i get subdomain at
10:23<XS|AureZ>Anyone who can find a link for a noob to that?, on a debian 4.0?
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10:24<crazynuxer>Txt-file, u can help me ?
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10:25<crazynuxer>anyone can help me to realize it ?
10:25<Txt-file>crazynuxer: not really but I want to create a sommunity-page for all debian-users around the world
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10:25<blarson>crazynuxer: Debian Developers can create subdomains in
10:26<Txt-file>but I don't know how to realise
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10:26<crazynuxer>blarson, oh :) just for develloper ?
10:27<crazynuxer>Txt-file, u can tell me ur way ?
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10:27<crazynuxer>because in indonesia very much people use debian
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10:29<blarson>crazynuxer: Yes. If you are working with a DD, they may be willing to create it and point it at your host.
10:29<Txt-file>the software created by (only german this page) is written for a few thousand people and they will realese it this summer (not sure) ...
10:29<Txt-file>crazynuxer ^ ^^
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10:30<blarson>crazynuxer: is only for official debian machines.
10:30<crazynuxer>what must i do for join debian developper ?
10:31<Txt-file>crazynuxer: if it would be so simple I had as domain :D
10:32<crazynuxer>so what must i do ?
10:33<blarson>crazynuxer: ttp://
10:33<stew>crazynuxer: after one has been making some concrete contributions to debian (maintaining packages, doing translations, fiing bugs, etc), they apply to the NM process, ; eventually, after going through that process, they may become a debian developer
10:33<blarson>Expect it to take a year or two.
10:34<stew>or more
10:35<crazynuxer>thx for ur info
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10:36<crazynuxer>can i build indonesia official
10:36<blarson>crazynuxer: Like I said, it's probably easier to have an existing DD help with your organization.
10:36<crazynuxer>for debianers
10:37<crazynuxer>hmm ... so i must be DD first :)
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10:39<stew>crazynuxer: why do you need to be a DD to create an indonesian debian community?
10:39<Txt-file>you can create a debian-comm under some other domain
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10:41<electronplusplus>I need help to configure PostFix
10:41<stew>electronplusplus: can you be more specific?
10:41<electronplusplus>i'm using a PostFix server in my home computer
10:41<electronplusplus>i want to send email
10:41<electronplusplus>but as it's a home server gmail server and others
10:41<electronplusplus>just block the e-mail
10:41<electronplusplus>but i have a solution
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10:42<electronplusplus>i have a e-mail account create in a hosting server
10:42<electronplusplus>i want to configure PostFix to access this account
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10:42<electronplusplus>and then send the e-mail
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10:42<electronplusplus>sound simple but i don't know how to configure
10:43<electronplusplus>I have used the PostFixAdmin but didn't found nothing....
10:43<electronplusplus>any ideias?
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10:45<electronplusplus>stew, any ideias?
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10:46<stew>you have a server which will let you relay mail through it?
10:47<electronplusplus>what I need is to know how to configure PostFix
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10:47<electronplusplus>which btw sucks...
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10:48<petern>what, not knowing how to configure it?
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10:48<petern>generally you just need it to relay through your ISP servers
10:48<electronplusplus>it's the first that i use a mail server in a local computer
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10:49<petern>relayhost = <servername>
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10:49<cmot>assuming your ISP still accepts port 25 connections.
10:49<electronplusplus>I'm going google it...
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10:49<cmot>Else you need to read man transport (I think)
10:49<cmot>to get authentication and port 587 for outgoing email.
10:49<petern>generally they do to their own servers...
10:50<cmot>petern, several of the big ones here around have stopped, even from their own customers.
10:50<cmot>(dial-up at least)
10:50<petern>how odd
10:50<cmot>to (try to) stop spammer zombies.
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10:50<petern>mmm, makes sense
10:51<petern>so you need to set up sasl for postfix's smtp client
10:51<cmot>(... I hear spammer zombies have just started to use MAPI on windoze boxes or whatever the API is, so it's defeated somewhat by newer malweare already...)
10:51<petern>there is documentation available on how to do that
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10:51<electronplusplus>i made a PHP script that sends 100 emails to one account, and only one email as arrived :(
10:51<electronplusplus>in gmail it was classified as SPAM
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10:52<electronplusplus>and when i marked as not being spam
10:52<electronplusplus>I have received the last 99
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10:52<electronplusplus>but in Hotmail server forget it!
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10:59<Woet>How do I let grub regonize new kernels?
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10:59<Woet>or update itself
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11:00<blarson>Woet: add them to /boot/grub/menu.lst
11:00<Woet>ty cmot
11:00<cmot>(should do exactly what blarson said)
11:00<Woet>yea, it does
11:01<Woet>it confused me, I was looking for grub-update
11:01<Woet>since they're all named like that
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11:02<cmot>arrgh. wrong window.
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11:04<pringat>hi there, I was doing a dist-upgrade when I had a power cut. After a `dpkg --configure -a` I am not able to use aptitude any more..
11:04<pringat>any idea?
11:06<cmot>pringat, what does "not able to use" mean?
11:06<cmot>(error message? did your fingers get singed? Other reason?)
11:07<pringat>cmot: I mean that I get a very long output complaing about a lot of broken depenecies...
11:08<cmot>so it's basically working.
11:08<cmot>calling "apdtitude dist-upgrade" again?
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11:08<pringat>cmot: "aptitude dist-upgrade" coplains too...
11:09<pringat>complains, sorry...
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11:09<cmot>just upgrade?
11:09<pringat>cmot: neither...
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11:10<cmot>what dist-upgrade were you trying? etch->lenny?
11:10<pringat>cmot: now I've seen an error from dbus package... let's see if with aptitude purge works...
11:10<pringat>cmot: no, within lenny, from a very old disk image...
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11:11<cmot>pringat, or just reinstall dbus in your target version (manually with dpkg if necessary), adding dependencies one by one.
11:11<pringat>cmot: hey, taht worked!
11:11<pringat>cmot: thanks a lot!
11:11<cmot>that was quick :-)
11:12<hdon>hi all. i am seeking a recommendation for software to visualize and/or analyze the used space on my filesystem.
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11:12<mibber>There's disk usage analyzer
11:12<mibber>I think.
11:13<petemc>df and du
11:13<petemc>kde has an app, probably gnome too
11:13<themill>hdon: filelight is quite good at that
11:13<mibber>gnome has disk usage analyzer. It's at Applications > System tools
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11:15<hdon>mibber: in etch? i don't see it (is there a new debian stable yet?)
11:15<cheal>hdon: which desktop environment do you use?
11:15<mibber>Oh sorry. I'm using lenny.
11:15<mibber>I'm not sure if etch has it.
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11:17<hdon>themill: i'll try filelight
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11:19<hdon>guess i'll get lunch while it tallies up my files
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11:22<peej>a printer barfs when given jobs greater than 5MB. Suggested fixes?
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11:23<peej>Is klimit the recommended way?
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11:30<emz>can somebody help me
11:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
11:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:31<emz>yeah, ok
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11:32<emz>i am a beginner in Linux
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11:32<emz>I have installed Debian
11:33<emz>but when i try to start X i get error
11:33<stew>emz: what is the error?
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11:33<phrhd>q: if i copy my personal '.mozilla' folder (including the 'extenstions' dir), will i have to reinstall any extensions after reinstalling the system?
11:33<emz>"XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remeining."
11:33<craigevil>phrhd: no
11:34<phrhd>great! thx
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11:34<stew>emz: can you upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to ?
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11:35<emz>no, i don't have an internet connection there
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11:35<emz>it didn't recognized my network card, too
11:35<btgream>new to irc. how do find what im looking for??
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11:36<cdlu>you have. :)
11:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:37<emz>i`m watching the file Xorg.0.log
11:37<emz>but it's big
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11:41<emz>"(EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found"
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11:43<emz>help, anyone?
11:43<peej>if a printer barfs due to too large a file (> 5MB) being send from cups, then tweaking these seem like options: 1. klimit 2. lowering dpi. Comments?
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11:43<kurumin>Why the women aways let me stagnated?
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11:43<peej>emz: make sure you're looking at the end.
11:44<stew>kurumin: do you have a debian related question?
11:44<stew>emz: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
11:44<kurumin>May you please help me about messenger on kurumin?
11:44<stew>kurumin: try #kurumin on
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11:45<peej>if a printer barfs due to too large a file (> 5MB) being send from cups, then tweaking these 3 seem like options: 1. klimit 2. lowering dpi. 3. splitting the print job into parts Comments?
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11:45<emz>my video card is nvidia geforce 7000M
11:46<emz>which driver i have to select?
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11:46<stew>emz: either nv or vesa or vga or nvidia. I don't know if nv supports that card or not. if not, you'd use vesa or vga, which may lack lots of features. the other option is to install the non-free nvidia driver from nvidia
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11:47<emz>thanks, i will try
11:47<kurumin>well, take care yourselves
11:47<kurumin>What is the best messenger for kurumin?
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11:48<kurumin>amsn is not working on
11:48<stew>kurumin: ask #kurumin on
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11:50<peej>if a printer barfs due to too large a file (> 5MB) being send from cups, then tweaking these 4 seem like options: 1. klimit 2. lowering dpi. 3. splitting the print job into parts 4. adding memory to the printer Comments?
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11:50<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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11:53<emz>i did it!
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11:53<emz>i used a "vesa" driver and i succeed
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11:57<emz>now, how can i configure my network adapter?
11:57<petemc>!tell emz about interfaces
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12:00<emz>but i think it didn't recognized my network adapter . i have to select again the right driver, haven't i?
12:00<petros>einai apo edw kanas ellhnas ???
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12:01<petros>emz can i tell you something ???
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12:02<petros>you are a fuken beach
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12:02<petros>mother fukher
12:02<craigevil>!ops troll petros
12:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: troll petros
12:02<RichiH>petros: behave, please
12:03-!-mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ
12:03-!-mode/#debian [+q-o petros!*@* Myon] by Myon
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12:03<weasel>bad Myon
12:03<weasel>killing all those idio^Wusers with broken clients
12:03<Myon>ah, heh :)
12:03<weasel>no, that was you :)
12:03<craigevil>thank you, no reason for that kind of atitude
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12:04<nightmare>re einai adw kanas ellhnas ???
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12:05<gsimmons>emz: Were any network cards detected? Run "ls -l /sys/class/net".
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12:26<dpkg>it has been said that qotd99 is <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware...
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12:31<XS|AureZ>How do i make new ips to the linux server?
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12:35<SRV>Has anyone successfully compiled XV for 64bit?
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12:37<cahoot>what's XV?
12:37<dpkg>[xv] at or - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick, or mplayer -vo xv goes faster
12:37<cahoot>still exists?
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12:37<SRV>An older image viewer
12:38<Gathond>given it is listed in this sid amd64 installation as a package I would say yes
12:38<SRV>I know, I'm pretty old school. But it's quick and nice (or used to be ;-)
12:38<confrey>hi everybody
12:38<SRV>dpkg - let me look at that.
12:38<dpkg>SRV: wish i knew
12:38<valdyn>SRV: why dont you just use xli ?
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12:39<SRV>Well, just built a new system and I haven't ventured out too far (going 32 bit sid to 64 bit lenny).
12:39<SRV>I'm pretty much setting up most everything, but I will try something new.
12:40<confrey>can anybody help me? I can't compiole anything yet.... I have installed a kernel made by make-kpkg from vanilla source, and then I can compile what I was compiling before
12:40<metalqga>make clean
12:41<confrey>don't work
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12:41<confrey>I have a long list of errors and warnings
12:41<Gathond>SRV: it is in sid's non-free repository so you should be able to just install it
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12:42<SRV>Ahhh, very good. I will try that. I know I should look for something new but, I will later. Thanks!!!
12:42<valdyn>!unix lessons
12:42<dpkg>i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be
12:42<valdyn>confrey: ^^^
12:43<valdyn>!b-e confrey
12:43<dpkg>confrey: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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12:50<SRV>Gathond: do you have a link? I'm not finding it in the ftp directory for sid/non-free
12:50<Gathond>SRV: no, I just have the output from aptitude saying it is in non-free/graphics (on an AMD64 box)
12:51<themill>Gathond: what's the package name
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12:51<SRV>well, XV. That's really all that I know
12:51<Gathond>the description fits
12:51<themill>There's no such package as xv in debian.
12:51<themill>judd versions xv
12:51<judd>themill: xv --
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12:53<Gathond>right, it also conflicts with x11-common, so whereever aptitude learned about it from it might be slightly outdated
12:53<Gathond>SRV: sorry for getting your hopes up
12:53<XS|AureZ>Ifconfig eth0 netmask i can only add 1 ip?
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12:53<XS|AureZ>Ifconfig eth1 netmask i can only add 1 ip?
12:53<SRV>Oh, it's very old. I'm sure there is something better our there. Not a problem.
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12:55<SRV>does anyone know of a good image viewer that can open entire directories, give you thumbnail view, crop all that and work on xpms and just about every format? And is quick.
12:55<stew>XS|AureZ: you can add an 'alias' with something like "ifconfig eth1:1 netmask"; or you can add a second ip to the same interface if you use the ip tool instead, like "ip addr add dev eth1"
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12:55<stew>XS|AureZ: this can be configured in /etc/network/interfaces, see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for examples
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12:57<dondelelcaro>SRV: feh is my favorite; it doesn't do drop or all of that.
12:57<dondelelcaro>SRV: but it's very fast
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12:58<SRV>dondelecaro: ok, I will look at that.
12:58<stew>eog is popular, but I haven't tried it
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12:58<Woet>All of the sudden, my server switched to 'read-only filesystem'
12:58<Woet>How to solve this?
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12:59<metalqga>mount -a ?
13:00<Woet>metalqga: nothing
13:00<Woet>metalqga: just 'mount -a' ?
13:00<dondelelcaro>Woet: it'll do that if it detects errors. Check fstab
13:00<@weasel>Woet: what does dmesg tell you?
13:00<dondelelcaro>err, dmesg.
13:00<@weasel>probably it tells you that your filesystem is fucked
13:01*dondelelcaro shouldn't read something else as he's typing
13:01<Woet>at the end
13:01<@weasel>Tue 19:00:48 <weasel> probably it tells you that your filesystem is fucked
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13:01<@weasel>reboot, it should then do a fsck
13:01<Woet>and how did it get 'fucked', and how do I unfuck it?
13:01<@weasel>I assume that's your root fs?
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13:01<@weasel>else you could unmount it and fsck it
13:02<Woet>unfortunaly, 'reboot' does nothing.
13:02<@weasel>reboot -f -n
13:02<@weasel>run sync first
13:02<Woet>that worked
13:02<Woet>kinda too late
13:02<Woet>i just executed reboot -f -n
13:03<metalqga>woet any happy users to be calling you anytime soon? :D
13:04<Woet>weasel: how long shall it take to get back up?
13:04<@weasel>how ever long it takes to boot, plus the time to fsck,
13:04<@weasel>plus optionally the time it takes you to answer any questions it might have
13:05<Woet>well, first of all, I can't answer those, as the server is 100 miles away
13:05<Woet>so hopefully it'll be smart enough and answer itself
13:05<@weasel>that's why you have serial console, KVMoIP, or some other sort of LOM.
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13:05<metalqga>lol or just won't boot until you go there to say Y
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13:09<dpkg>hmm... apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; ask me about <apache2><install apache2><apache 1.3><apache manual>.
13:09<hdon>does etch have any kind fo compose keys / dead keys enabled for default?
13:09<hdon>by* default
13:09<d3co>!apache manual
13:09<dpkg>i heard apache manual is at http://localhost/doc/apache-doc/manual/ or for Apache 1, or at http://localhost/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ or for apache2
13:10<themill>d3co: you can msg the bot directly: /msg dpkg apache
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13:12<d3co>themill, hi well where is the httpd.conf like centos? How is appointed?
13:14<d3co>here /etc/apache2
13:14<fxiny>themill: news , rememeber yesterday avahi/jre6 dependencies ? i removed avahi-daemon and libnss-mdns . this morning as i run aptitude -s safe-upgrade , apti removed some leftovers : libavahi-common-data libavahi-common libacahi-core libdaemon0
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13:14<@weasel>d3co: what's your actual question?
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13:16<fxiny>themill: i replaced my backups and i double checked : is jre installing avahi . not sun-java6-plugin
13:16<d3co>weasel, need to add virtual hosts, Where is the configuration file apache for debian?
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13:16<@weasel>in /etc/apache2.
13:17<@weasel>the proper way is to add a new file to etc/apache2/hosts-available, and then symlink it to hosts-enabled
13:17<@weasel>but you can add it any place you want, really. like conf.d or httpd.conf or apache2.conf or anything
13:17<d3co>I think apache2.conf on /etc/apache2
13:17<@weasel>Tue 19:17:15 <weasel> the proper way is to add a new file to etc/apache2/hosts-available, and then symlink it to hosts-enabled
13:18<stew>sites-available / sites-enabled?
13:18<@weasel>that's it
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13:20<Ikarus>Anyone have a link to documentation to Debian's ramdisk stuff in the boot process, I need to hack a custom script to allow booting with root on 2 USB sticks in raid 1 :)
13:21<d3co>weasel, thanks! I going to see! this files!
13:21<metalqga>lol Ikarus!
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13:23<d3co>yes sites-available, sites-enables
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13:24<Ikarus>metalqga: I actually have it working, but with a custom initrd
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13:36<metalqga>ikarus I saw a 4 ssd raid1 benchmark somewhere today 660MB/s :P
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13:40<nizar>hello, i have a question concerning the gnome themes, in theres a theme called MacOs aqua theme, now my question is about the bar in the bottom including the panel of the programs, how can I add such a bar to the usual gnome theme ? (I dont want the whole theme)
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13:42<berto_>nizar: you're looking for awm
13:42<berto_>awn, sorry
13:42<nizar>awm ?
13:42<nizar>awn ?
13:43<nizar>any guide ? link ?
13:43<nizar>thanks a lot
13:43<berto_>you're talking about that one, right?
13:44<nizar>thank you :D
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13:51<visiteur>I'm worried with my debian lenny after a one year update
13:51<visiteur>I'm use gdm
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13:52<visiteur>My laptop is a Sony Vaio VGN-N31Z/W
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13:52<visiteur>After updating, my keyboard and my mouse are out in graphic mode
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13:53<visiteur>but, I can continue use them in non graphic mode
13:53<visiteur>Have you some idea about this problem
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13:54<visiteur>I reconfigure xorg-xserver with the dpkg-reconfigure -phigh command line
13:54<visiteur>And it's not better*
13:55<fxiny>lenny ?
13:55<Curan>hello, has anyone else noticed, that kernel packages for 2.6.28{,.1} kernels built with kernel-package (v.11.015) seem to have problems finding the modules.dep (file not found)?
13:56<Curan>I'm right now not sure, if this is due to insserv or due to kernel-package or due to the 2.6.28-kernels or a combination thereof
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13:56<Curan>are there any pointers already?
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13:58<Curan>as an additional note: the kernel still boots, but the screen is »flooded« with quite a few lines telling me, modules.dep was not found (even though it exists)
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13:59<Curan>therefore my current guess is, that /usr is mounted later than before
14:00<Curan>and I take the blame to kernel-package/the 2.6.28-kernels as the doesn't show these lines
14:00<visiteur>Any idea about my xserver problem??
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14:04<dmoerner>Curan: i cannot reproduce that with 2.6.28 from the buildserver trunk or with kernel-package compiled 2.6.29rc2
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14:09<Curan>dmoerner: hm, my 2.6.28 is a vanilla from
14:09<Curan>dmoerner: do you have inserv?
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14:10<Stuckey>I just installed mplayer on a powerpc machine and I got an error through apt that says Errors were encounted while processing: initramfs-tools E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
14:10<Stuckey>Does anyone know what I should do about that?
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14:10<Curan>dmoerner: and maybe I should add, that my system is lenny/testing only (apart from a few unrelated packages like cppcheck)
14:11<stew>Stuckey: show us the entire output ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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14:11<Stuckey>stew It's on a machine without an X server... but that's all it said.
14:12<stew>Stuckey: show us the output of "dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools"
14:12<Stuckey>stew, okay moment
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14:13<Stuckey>stew, Says it's either broken or not installed.
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14:14<stew>Stuckey: so you run "dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools" and the output is "it's either broken or not installed." ?
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14:14<Stuckey>stew, Yep that's what I just did.
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14:14<stew>Stuckey: are you sure?
14:14<Stuckey>stew, I'll run it again
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14:15<Stuckey>stew, that should be "is either broken or not fully installed."
14:16<stew>Stuckey: can you please actually show us what it is telling you?
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14:16<Stuckey>stew, I don't have a way to paste it... but that's honest all it says... there isn't anything else to show?
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14:20<Stuckey>If I install just gnome-core should I have to install a display manager as well? Or does it come with one?
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14:21<stew>Stuckey: no you don't, and no it doesn't
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14:29<Stuckey>stew, is there a way I could get it just to go straight into
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14:31<valdyn>Curan: sure it cant be that you have a broken kernel compile
14:31<dmoerner>Curan: sorry i was away, i do have insserv, and i have not tested with a vanilla 2.6.28 but only git 2.6.29
14:32<dmoerner>on Debian Sid
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14:32<stew>Stuckey: without loggin in?
14:34<Stuckey>stew and withouth a display manager
14:35<stew>Stuckey: why don't you want a display manager?
14:35<Stuckey>stew, Do I need one?
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14:35<Stuckey>What exactly does it do?
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14:36<stew>Stuckey: a display manager? it starts the x server and allows people to login to X
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14:36<Stuckey>stew, So is it possible to just start the x server and go into gnome without it?
14:36<dkr>some of them have an autologin feature
14:36<stew>Stuckey: i believe so
14:37<stew>Stuckey: i'd recommend installing gdm and using gdmsetup to have gdm autologin as the user you want to have running
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14:37<Stuckey>stew, Yeah I suppose the best thing to do would just to install it and use the autologin feature.
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14:39<dkr>I liked the old way, too. echo exec windowmanager >> ~/.xinitrc and just run startx to start x :)
14:39<petern>is anyone aware of a deb of code::blocks?
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14:39<Curan>valdyn: I'm quite sure it isn't broken: the configuration of the kernel is the same as the one and my invocation of make-kpkg hasn't changed
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14:40<Curan>dmoerner: no problem, thanks for your information, I'll investigate it further when I find some time
14:40<valdyn>Curan: i dont believe you, show the precise error messages, watch output of "depmod -a"
14:40<Curan>I just thought there were already some pointers
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14:42<Curan>valdyn: thanks for the trust... the exact error message is »file not found« (and the path to the modules.dep is given) and depmod -a doesn't output anything; anyway I tried that already
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14:43<valdyn>Curan: not found where? in the initrd or after / is mounted?
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14:45<valdyn>Curan: /usr is not involved in this
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14:45<Curan>valdyn: as I've written above: in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep
14:45<valdyn>Curan: so your kernel failed to mount / ?
14:45<Curan>valdyn: the »/usr« part was an posting error (sry for that)
14:46<valdyn>Curan: that path is not very useful, as its the same in the initrd
14:46<Curan>valdyn: no, it doesn't seem to fail, as it proceeds and works fine after spitting out the file-not-found-errors
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14:48<valdyn>Curan: ok.. i still dont know if before or after / is mounted or if its not finding modules.dep in the initrd
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14:49<nizar>hello, I have gnome with the dedfault theme, now how can i remove the default bottom bar?
14:49<nizar>where there is show desktop button and the current activated windows
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14:50<valdyn>Curan: you run a custom kernel.. so its quite possible that you have broken initrd, but dont even need that broken part
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14:53<Curan>valdyn: I've checked the logs (messges/syslog) for mounting failures and I haven't found one, the initrd is gernerated by mkinitramfs-tools (and this hasn't changed recently)
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14:53<Curan>valdyn,dmoerner: thanks to you for the help
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14:57<wekt>Where is user documentation regarding apt release keys?
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14:58<stew>!apt secure
14:58<dpkg>i guess apt secure is See ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: also see, or ask me about <no public key>
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15:01<Ikarus>metalqga: this is just my little home server, a Asus Wl500-gP with alot of trickery
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15:03<metalqga>Ikarus, I see... still an interesting idea. I might try it soon.
15:04<Stuckey>Getting an error when trying to start x, says "X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting."
15:04<Stuckey>Anyone know what causes this?
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15:05<nizar>where there is show desktop button and the current activated windows
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15:05<nizar>hello, I have gnome with the dedfault theme, now how can i remove the default bottom bar?
15:05<nizar>where there is show desktop button and the current activated windows
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15:07<jw_>nizar: right-click it and say 'delete this panel'
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15:07<igor>hey guys i need some help, i messed something up..
15:07<igor>I was installing the bluetooth package..
15:08<igor>and somehow it removed most of gnome.
15:08<nizar>jw_ : and how can i add it back after deleting it ?/
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15:10<jw_>nizar: you can add and remove as many panels as you want, if you delete one and change your mind just create it again
15:10<nizar>how do i do it ?
15:10<nizar>or where exactly ?
15:10<igor>can someone help me out with my problem/
15:11<metalqga>igor aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment
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15:12<jw_>nizar: right-click another panel, and say 'new panel'
15:12<igor>well im in a desktop environment right now?
15:12<Stuckey>stew You said I wouldn't need to install x11 but I'm getting this error now saying that x11 can't be found.
15:12<igor>just that much of my menus are missing, and, for instance, the Icon for battery life status is missing
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15:12<stew>Stuckey: i don't think I said that. exactly what error are you getting? and when are you getting it?
15:13<Stuckey>Getting an error when trying to start x, says "X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting."
15:13<Stuckey>When booting up
15:13<stew>Stuckey: aptitude install xorg
15:13<nizar>oh thanks
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15:14<igor>any way to check what was recently removed?
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15:14<metalqga>igor scroll up
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15:14<dmoerner>igor: look at /var/log/{dpkg,aptitude,apt}*
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15:14<Stuckey>Does anyone know what to do with a movie that's been divided up into .r00 .r01 .r02 files???
15:14<dmoerner>aptitude is the easiest to understand log-wise if you used it
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15:15<stew>Stuckey: you say to yourself, "I shouldn't be pirating software"
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15:15<metalqga>stew, hahaha,
15:15<Stuckey>stew that was a backup copy I made for myself...
15:16<Stuckey>I just forgot how to unrar it.
15:16<metalqga>stuckey you have so many questions, all completely not related
15:16<jw_>Stuckey: with unrar(1), suprisingly
15:16<igor>dmoerner: any way to do a batch install of what was removed?
15:16<Stuckey>metalqga, I know...
15:16<igor>there are about 185 packages that were removed..
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15:17<dmoerner>igor: use some combination of awk and ged
15:17<metalqga>igor next time read the small print before answering yes
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15:17<igor>dmoerner can you explain?
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15:18<Stuckey>stew, okay so now I logged in but I have to scroll around to see the other parts of my screen... it's like i'm looking through a magnifying glass
15:18<dmoerner>something like aptitude install $(awk '/[REMOVED]/ {print $2}' file | xargs) where file is the most recent part of /var/log/aptitude
15:18<dmoerner>igor: ^^
15:18<dmoerner>but don't use that exactly since i wrote it from memory and it might not work for your exact needs
15:18<igor>hm ill play around
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15:19<stew>Stuckey: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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15:19<stew>igor: are the packages all related? like are they all (or mostly) gnome packages or kde packages?
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15:19<Lemonzest>why when i boot my lenny vm, does it show no updated when using update manager, but when i do a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade dose it find packages to update!!!
15:19<stew>igor: like, is it possible that "aptitude install gnome" would get most of them back for you?
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15:20<igor>stew, they are all gnome
15:20<igor>what bothers me is that i dont know why they were removed.
15:20<igor>i was doing an install of the bluetooth package
15:20<stew>igor: is there a package named "gnome" one of them?
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15:20<igor>im installing gnome-desktop-environment right now
15:20<igor>we'll see what happens
15:20<metalqga>22:11 metalqga igor aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment
15:21<igor>yeah i did that
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15:21<stew>igor: something caused some package depended on by gnome to be removed, which caused the 'gnome' package to be removed, so all of the packages which were marked as automatically installed, which were depended on by gnome were removed
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15:21<igor>yeah i guess so
15:22<igor>no biggie, i gues
15:22<Belzebuth>where can i get a list of mirror for apt-get
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15:22<sd_>Hello! which one pkg in Etch contains chat program (to do chatscript scenario)?
15:22<sd_>the name of pkg?
15:22<Semitry>Is there likely hood of a problem arising if I upgrade a machine from etch to lenny over ssh?
15:22<Belzebuth>ty jw
15:23<dmoerner>sd_: /msg dpkg search
15:23<jw_>Semitry: see the draft release notes at
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15:25<sd_>dmoerner: it doesn't understand keywords like chat or chatscript .. :)
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15:27<peej>I'm on lenny, trying to get an HP 6L printer going. Using parallel port. What do I put in as device?
15:27<Hydroxide>peej: in the most common case, /dev/lp0
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15:28<peej>I have a selection from menu, closest option is: HP laserjet 6L LPT parport0 HPLIP (HP laserjet 6L)
15:29<peej>then I get a choice of make/manufacturer or ppd. Going into make/manufacturer I have a choice of:
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15:30<peej>cups + gutenprint 5.0.2 or foomatic hpijs.
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15:30*peej goes for gutenprint
15:30<sd_>ok. Let's try to change the question to see for some toher solutions. How can I automate my reply to remote system asking Login: and Password: ? For RH-like linux it was "chatscript" rpm package. What is for Debian. ..Googling did not help me, sorry...
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15:31<peej>should I be seeing blinkenlights on the printer while doing this?
15:31<jw_>sd_: with an ssh keypair
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15:32<metalqga>lol X restarted for no reason
15:32<peej>anyway, I have Device URI: hp:/par/HP_LaserJet_6L?device=/dev/parport0 and the state says idle, accepting jobs, published.
15:32<peej>test page prints nothing :-(
15:32<sd_>jw_: I know that, but it's unappropriate solution. The remote system is a small hardware (router), which I can't export my ssh-key to. Only Login/Password. :(
15:32<peej>it says on cups gui: "Gutenprint Printing page 1, 23%"
15:33<peej>it LIES! 8-O
15:33<peej>no blinkenlights and no encouraging noises.
15:33<sd_>I need to create linux-script to automate the configuration backup process for such hardware...
15:34<peej>should I try the ppd?
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15:35<stew>Stuckey: so you have it configured for 1024x768, but it thinks the maximum supported by your monitor is 800x600
15:36<stew>Stuckey: i'd guess that VertRefresh 43-60 might be inaccurate
15:36<peej>printing install still utterly sucks in linux.
15:36<stew>Stuckey: what video card do you have?
15:37<sd_>well, it looks like it was merged to ppp package...
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15:41<panagos>how can i build a package for all architectures? i.e. an arch. independent package
15:41<jw_>panagos: by setting the Arch field to 'all' in your control file
15:41<jw_>panagos: #debian-mentors and the debian-mentors mailing list are a better place to ask packaging questions
15:42<panagos>jw_: aha, i thought the correct value was "any"
15:42<panagos>jw_: ok, thanks :)
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15:42<jw_>panagos: 'any' is an arch-dependent package that will build on anything
15:42<panagos>jw_: right
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15:46<peej>argh. This is pathetic. cpu at 100% for the last minute while trying to print with ppd on hp lj 6L
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15:49<peej>ps auxwww | grep [L]aser gives me this idiotic line:
15:49<peej>lp 5169 93.0 0.2 5168 1408 ? R 21:44 4:29 hp:/par/HP_LaserJet_6L?device=/dev/parport0 14 root Test Page 1 job-uuid=urn:uuid:e4629949-0767-3dde-59be-4831314243d0
15:50<peej>what a strange name for a process.
15:50<peej>oh, hang on, some other process may be blocking stuff....
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15:51<petern>blocking doesn't generally cause high cpu usage
15:53<peej>petern, yeah, but it may be preventing printing...but removing didn't get printing going.
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15:54<peej>i will be very sad if the printer is faulty.
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15:59<themill>peej: that printer should be trivial to install using hplip either using hp-makeuri (which it looks like you're tried) or using hplip-gui.
15:59<themill>(I suspect that's not particularly helpful advice, however)
16:00<peej>um... hp-makeuri? hplip-gui? .... searches
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16:01<peej>apt-get install hplip-gui <----- doing that
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16:03<themill> states that the printer supports direct text printing -- it's years since I've done this with a printer, but aiui, that means you should be able to "echo test > /dev/parport0" and have the word printed out.
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16:04<peej>ok, trying...
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16:04<themill>(might need to send a formfeed to the printer or press a button to get it to actually spit out the page)
16:05<peej>as root I get:
16:05<peej>bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
16:05<themill>heh... Last time I did that was on my mum's HP LJ (can't remember the number) about 12 years ago.... *sigh*
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16:06<peej>I need to sacrifice a goat maybe.
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16:06<Nero>i need help with vpn and ubuntu
16:07<blarson>!tell Nero about ubuntu
16:09<themill>peej: it's been known to help. (afk... good luck!)
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16:12<peej>oooh. Just discovered from the user manual that what I thought was the input slot is the output slot.
16:12<peej>it is making noises
16:13<peej>holy crap. it printed a test page.
16:13<peej>I shall sacrifice my first born to the cups developer gods.
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16:14<peej>but why is my cpu still at 100%...?
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16:16<peej>I just put in the sheet again and got another page... repeated...
16:16<peej>and now the cpu is back to normal
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16:17<peej>some sorta spinlock there I guess.
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16:17<peej>wow. That was exciting.
16:17<peej>now for my next trick - making the usblp driver work :-)
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16:18<peej>thanks themill and petern
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16:25<Stratman4300>This is probably a silly question... is there a backports repository for Etch like there was for Sarge??
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16:26<jw_>Stratman4300: google knows all.
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16:27<Stratman4300>jw_: thank you :)
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16:34<Stuckey>stew It's an ATI card
16:34<stew>Stuckey: have you tried the 'ati' driver?
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16:43<wretched_dutchman>hello, can anyone help me with a rsa/dsa-key problem??
16:43<adama>wretched_dutchman: ask
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16:45<wretched_dutchman>I created a dsa key for myself on my server, which works perfectly, but when I use the same steps to create a key for another account it isn't accepted
16:46<adama>wretched_dutchman: you are trying to use it for password-less login I presume? Try ssh -vvv u@h
16:47<wretched_dutchman>a second
16:47<stew>wretched_dutchman: what version of the 'openssl' package is installed on the machine having trouble?
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16:50<wretched_dutchman>Version: 1:4.3p2-9etch3
16:51<wretched_dutchman>default debian stable package
16:51<adama>that's the output of "openssl version"?
16:55<adama>wretched_dutchman: OK well what kind of messages does ssh -vvv show?
16:55<adama>in regards to your public key, or pastebin the whole thing
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16:58<wretched_dutchman>what stands out
16:58<wretched_dutchman>debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN'
16:58<wretched_dutchman>debug3: key_read: missing keytype
16:58<wretched_dutchman>debug3: key_read: missing whitespace
16:58<wretched_dutchman>debug3: key_read: missing whitespace
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16:58<Stuckey>stew, I just need to put that in the xorg file?
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17:00<D6>Hi. Is there a way NOT to deconfigure package while uninstalling?
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17:00<Lethalman>D6: use remove instead of purge
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17:02<D6>Lethalman: aptitude is still trying to stop init service provided by this package
17:02<D6>Lethalman: How to prevent this?
17:02<Lethalman>stopping the service is needed
17:02<Lethalman>it's not meant to deconfigure the package
17:03<D6>Lethalman: But is there a way not to stop the service while uninstalling?
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17:03<D6>Or it will be done anyway?
17:03<adama>D6: how can you uninstall a service, yet keep it running?
17:04<D6>adama: it's not nesseccary a real service but may be some service functions, like adding ip tunnel options etc.
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17:05<D6>so /etc/init.d/service start may not start any service
17:05<D6>"/etc/init.d/service start"
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17:06<D6>So... is it possible? :)
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17:07<jthomas>Can anyone tell me how to set up rewriting in Exim4? I've run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and sometimes it allows me to use rewriting so that the email comes from but other times (different box) it doesn't give me this option, and then emails come from
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17:07<adama>well I guess you could hack it by deleting the init.d file after it has been started, or copying it elsewhere
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17:08<D6>ok.. thanks
17:09<tuzok>hello, does anyone successfully installed Debian lenny on a flash drive? I am having troubles with finding root filesystem due to "changing" root device on different computers...
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17:17<nearsight>hi everyone
17:19<nearsight>is here the right place, to ask about the debian apache pkg?
17:19<nearsight>apache2 actualy
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17:20<Lenhix>I guess there's an apache dedicated channel... but I also think we could help you with basic stuff
17:20<Lenhix>And probably someone has messed enough with Apache to help you in case your problem is "serious"/weird
17:20<nearsight>it's very basic, my issue is, i just installed the apache2 pkg, with mysql and php support...
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17:21<nearsight>but i cannot connect to a test html page using my browser on a different computer, i just get this weird msg displayed "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5"
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17:22<nearsight>I tried setting up config files in sites-available and sites-enabled, but no matter what i try, i just get this weird msg
17:22<nearsight>it's working flawlessly on my ubuntu-box, tho
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17:24<nearsight>google yields othing so far
17:25<tuzok>nearsight, what's in /var/log/apache2/*logs?
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17:26<nearsight>access.log just has various: "::1 - - [20/Jan/2009:18:27:46 +0100] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) (internal dummy connection)"" entries
17:28<nearsight>i'll get a pastebin for the rest
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17:30<nearsight>here is the error.log:
17:30<nearsight>nothing obvious for me...
17:31<tuzok>oO, caught SIGTERM? It seems you webserver is crashing...
17:32<nearsight>I had been restarting the server frequently
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17:33<tuzok>er, it's okay then
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17:37<Lenhix>That message appears when I do telnet <host> 22
17:37<Lenhix>Are you sure SSH and APache are listening on the right ports?
17:37<Lenhix>netstat -ntlp
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17:39<nearsight>what ports should both listen to?
17:40<nearsight>a stupid me... i tried to access the ssh port -.-
17:41<nearsight>then its probably just a firewall issue
17:41<tuzok>webserver should listen on port 80, secure webserver(https) port 443
17:42<nearsight>yeah, well then i should configure my router for correct port forwarding, i guess
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17:43<nearsight>should be obvious, however :D
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17:44<Lenhix>let us know if that was the actual problem, nearsight ;)
17:45<nearsight>i would like to, but i guess, i can't access the router till tomorrow... i'm not at home :\
17:45<tuzok>Could someone experienced with initrd help me with my USB flash drive install?
17:48<tuzok>I would like to change root device to something like /dev/disk/by-id/usb--Pretec_01GB_9594b73676f560-0:0 in order to avoid /dev/sd? ordering issues
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17:50<tuzok>Unfortunately, initrd does not have dev-by-id for the flash drive visible although the drive is mapped as /dev/sdb
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18:01<nearsight>Lenhix: i remotely opened a opera-browser session and reconfigured my router... now it works :)
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18:01<Lenhix>Good for him
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18:03<Deiz>Is there any browser media plugin less crashy than mplayer-plugin?
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18:30<frood>anyone know if openssh 5.1 is to be packaged and available soon?
18:31<avu>frood, it's already available in lenny?
18:31<streuner>judd, versions openssh
18:31<judd>streuner: openssh --
18:31<avu>judd, versions openssh-server
18:31<judd>avu: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-5
18:32<streuner>frood: etch?
18:33<frood>even for 64bit? hmm i guess my local mirror is not up to date
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18:33<avu>for every architecture.
18:33<avu>so no matter which of the 64bit archs you mean, the answer is 'yes' :)
18:33<avu>for the future though: debian supports more than one 64bit architecture.. :)
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18:35<frood>heh yeah :) sparc, etc
18:35<avu>ia64, kfreebsd-amd64 and amd64 come to mind. alpha can be 64bit too AFAIK
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18:36<frood>ok i've changed my sources to use the UK debian mirror
18:36<frood>apt-get update
18:36<frood>using "testing"
18:36<frood>i'm i'm still getting Version: 1:4.3p2-9etch3
18:36<themill> judd, versions openssh-server --arch amd64
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18:37*themill looks at judd
18:37<avu>frood, do an apt-cache policy openssh-server
18:37<avu>themill, the space.
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18:37<avu>(at the beginning of your message)
18:37<avu>judd, versions openssh-server --arch amd64
18:37<judd>avu: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-5
18:37<themill>stupid bot
18:38<frood>can i paste it?
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18:38<avu>frood, not here
18:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:38<themill>avu: well spotted. dpkg doesn't worry about such things. Actually, the bots in #latex and #apache parse the entirety of every line looking for triggers.
18:39<avu>not sure I'd like that though :)
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18:39<avu>a .strip() would be nice though, true :)
18:39<Jpdota>is it possible to run an apt-cacher on a non-debian system? several people here run either debian and/or ubuntu, and i'd like to set up a cache so we can conserve the ever valuable bandwidth. on a somewhat unrelated note, i'd also like to set up a local repository for my own use, so i can put packages i create for myself on it. the only computer that is reliably on is our router, an OpenBSD 4.4 box. please /msg me with any responses (as i'm headed out the
18:39<Jpdota> door, i wanted to message this before i forget!)
18:39<avu>frood, aptitude full-upgrade
18:40<frood>is there a way i can install 5.1 without doing a full upgrade?
18:41<avu>frood, you said you are already running testing?
18:41<themill>frood: you're already running lenny
18:41<avu>frood, so all a full-upgrade should do is bring you up to speed
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18:41<dpkg>somebody said full-upgrade was the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade><apt-listchanges>
18:41<avu>frood, if you're not running testing, remove the testing lines from your sources.list and do/use a backport
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18:42<frood>its a bit of a mix tbh. last time i dist-upgraded it i broke loads of things. the only "testing" package i'm using is the newer bitlebee
18:42<avu>frood, don't mix stable and testing.
18:42<frood>it's only one package ;)
18:42<frood>byut i'll try backports. cheers guys
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18:45<NickMind-XP_BOX>Hi all, what is the best DVD player software to use?
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18:47*streuner likes xine, many others prefer mplayer
18:47*themill wonders if NickMind-XP_BOX really wants 346 opinions
18:48<frood>or, since its an XP_BOX, maybe a win32 one? ;)
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18:49<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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18:50<frood>what a strange bot
18:50<eljefe_>kaffeine is my favorite video player, but I've not used Dragon Player much, it may be good... or not
18:50*jw_ uses mplayer, and sometimes totem
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18:52<streuner>both doesnt count much
18:52<streuner>both are based of xine...
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18:53<nhesson>do you mean "on xine"? and why do they not count?
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18:54<streuner>there are 3 options, vlce, mplayer and xine
18:55<streuner>totem use xine
18:55<streuner>kaffeine too
18:55<sevele>totme isn't user friendly
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18:56<streuner>well, some people say, they dont like the GUI of xine
18:56<nhesson>kaffeine uses xine?
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18:57<chealer>nhesson: there are 3 classes of players, those based on xine-lib, those based on libvlc and mplayer
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18:57<themill>judd depends totem
18:57<chealer>some are also mixed
18:57<judd>themill: totem -- Depends: totem-xine (>= 2.16.5-3) | totem-gstreamer (>= 2.16.5-3)
18:57<chealer>oh...and those based on gstreamer
18:57<themill>totem can use xine or it can use gstreamer
18:58*chealer tries finding a gstreamer-based player other than totem-gstreamer
18:58<themill>chealer: apt-cache rdepends libgstreamer0.10-0
18:59<eljefe_>i think it can be changed (Settings > Player Engine) but yes, it generally uses xine.
19:00*chealer fails to recognize any.
19:00<chealer>not for kaffeine AFAIK
19:00<themill>juk, rhythmbox
19:00<chealer>juk isn't a video player
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19:00<themill>ahh yes
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19:03<NickMind-XP_BOX>is mplayer anything like kmplayer?
19:03<NickMind-XP_BOX>kmplayer rules on PC's
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19:03<NickMind-XP_BOX>windows i mean
19:05<NickMind-XP_BOX>chealer.. by classes you mean they use different liberies? sorry if that is a stupid ?.
19:07<eljefe_>and no, not a stupid question
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19:12<chealer>NickMind-XP_BOX: yes
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19:14<NickMind-XP_BOX>does mplayer and kmplayer have anything to do with each other?
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19:18<dkr>kmplayer is likely a gui frontend for mplayer
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19:19<NickMind-XP_BOX>so does mplayer have its own gui?
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19:21<eljefe_>it does but I'm not a fan
19:22<eljefe_>it can also work from the command line, I believe
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19:22<adama>NickMind-XP_BOX: it comes with something called gmplayer, it's OK
19:23<adama>NickMind-XP_BOX: mplayer is best used from the command line, no gui preferred or necessary
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19:24<NickMind-XP_BOX>adama: wow, mplayer is a command line util, but that plays DVD's? I got lost
19:25<eljefe_>adama, that roundish GUI for mplayer is gmplayer?
19:25<adama>NickMind-XP_BOX: yeah you just type mplayer dvd://
19:25<adama>eljefe_: correct
19:25<eljefe_>NickMind-XP_BOX you control the playback with the command line, but the DVD video is obviously graphical
19:26<dkr>yeah, I've never used any graphical front ends, since I always watch stuff fullscreen
19:26<NickMind-XP_BOX>eljefe_, hahaha OK
19:26<adama>NickMind-XP_BOX: it just opens an undecorated window playing whatever (or no window for audio), just press f for fullscreen, left, right, etc. etc. it's all in the man page :P
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19:27<NickMind-XP_BOX>adama: sorry i'm new to all this
19:27<asteroid>hello, why is there distorted sound in alsa?
19:27<adama>NickMind-XP_BOX: cli is your friend
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19:28<adama>NickMind-XP_BOX: i currently have 19 gnome-terminals running
19:28<NickMind-XP_BOX>adama: i am pretty good in the cli, but you think when playing with multimedia type media it should all be gui base.
19:28<eljefe_>asteroid can you clarify? likely the sound is turned too lound (especially if you have a PCM option) -- alsamixer (command line app) can help you there if KMix or GMix (?) doesn't
19:29<NickMind-XP_BOX>sorry its the windows coming out of me. :)
19:29<eljefe_>NickMind-XP_BOX there are those options, use them if you want. I do.
19:29<adama>NickMind-XP_BOX: well you can use totem, it's ok
19:29<eljefe_>as long as it keeps coming out until there is none left ;)
19:29<NickMind-XP_BOX>eljefe_ I know
19:31<NickMind-XP_BOX>thanks for the guidness guys!
19:31<asteroid>it's dead quiet overhere ;)
19:31<NickMind-XP_BOX>were is overhere?
19:31<asteroid>enschede, the netherlands
19:32<asteroid>one can hear a pin drop
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19:33<asteroid>the volume is not above the technical limits
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19:38<eljefe_>try putting it at 60% asteroid... my sound is horrible if I have master and PCM all the way up. Just he way it goes I guess.
19:40<asteroid>thanks, i will. the sound was fine until some weeks ago
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19:42<asteroid>no that did not offer the fix
19:43<eljefe_>:( maybe rerun the alsa setup, as root: alsaconf
19:44<eljefe_>(it will kill audio apps, beware!)
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19:44<asteroid>thank you for your advice
19:44<asteroid>very kind
19:45<eljefe_>pass it on if others have questions that you can help with!
19:45<asteroid>sure will :)
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19:46<asteroid>it's just not fun to listen to distorted music, even payed for the records
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19:56<asteroid>replaced a box recently, the network is snortless now
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20:02<sevele>hello everyone
20:03<eljefe_>i've not used snort much, would it be a worthwhile investment of my time, asteroid?
20:03<eljefe_>hey get the audio working how you wanted?
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20:04<asteroid>yes, snort is a very good investment
20:05<asteroid>it prevents nonsense by informing the network
20:05<asteroid>i believe there's also a pro-active snort method
20:07<asteroid>do use multiple nic's with snort
20:07<NickMind-XP_BOX>Cisco IDS are some great price for lots of $. For no $ snort is GREAT!
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20:08<NickMind-XP_BOX>sorry i meant great products for lots of $
20:09<ArthurRandolph>does snort work well at detecting rogue DHCPs on a network with Catalyst 2960s ?
20:11<asteroid>only answer i can give to that is
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20:11<NickMind-XP_BOX>if a system, device, add/or service/appilcation can send log messages, snort will find the problems.
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20:13*ArthurRandolph has a side job chasing p2p and rogue dhcps on a 700-users student campus..
20:14<Gekz>ArthurRandolph: you're a bad person.
20:14<NickMind-XP_BOX>ArthurRandolph, do you have IOS version that supports DHCP snooping?
20:14<ArthurRandolph>well, someone has to get the ping times to the internet below 200ms
20:14<eljefe_>nah, no one needs that
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20:15<eljefe_>but obviously, everyone needs a few copies of Scary Move 7
20:15<ArthurRandolph>NickMind-XP_BOX, currently we have unmanaged switchs, but we're considering buying a catalyst 4500 and dozens of 2960s
20:15<NickMind-XP_BOX>who uses the internet anyways?
20:16<ArthurRandolph>NickMind-XP_BOX, for "academic work"
20:16<NickMind-XP_BOX>ArthurRandolph, i thought you said you had 2960's?
20:16<NickMind-XP_BOX>ArthurRandolph, i was joking:)
20:17<ArthurRandolph>don't have them yet, but working with unmanaged switch is a major pain in the ass
20:18<NickMind-XP_BOX>Are you using one vlan?
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20:18<ArthurRandolph>right now, we have one linux router for each of the 6 subnets
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20:19<ArthurRandolph>but we're going to scrape the linux routers and connect the 6 buildings as separate subnets on a catalyst 4500
20:19<NickMind-XP_BOX>a system with 6 nic's?
20:20<ArthurRandolph>na, one router for each building
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20:20<ArthurRandolph>the routers are interconnected
20:20<comradekingu>What switch should i get if i want 16p gigabit power over ethernet
20:20<comradekingu>I looked as ciscos site, but there was too much to choose from
20:21<comradekingu>The smart ones looked nice
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20:21<ArthurRandolph>comradekingu, well depends on what level of manageability you need
20:21<NickMind-XP_BOX>comradekingu, module or fix solution?
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20:22<comradekingu>? rack mounted 19"
20:23<NickMind-XP_BOX>I meant do you want a chassic/blade or fixed switch solution?
20:24<NickMind-XP_BOX>like for e.g. 4500/6500 are chassis then you buy blades.
20:24<comradekingu>Sounds expencive
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20:24<comradekingu>I forgot to mention i will be paying for this, myself
20:24<NickMind-XP_BOX>where the 3500 serices switches are fixed switches
20:25<NickMind-XP_BOX>yes they are
20:25<NickMind-XP_BOX>i spent $182K last year on 4 switches. :) well not me the company. :)
20:26<comradekingu>I was thinking more along the lines of 500$
20:26<ArthurRandolph>comradekingu, DIY ? :)
20:26<NickMind-XP_BOX>ArthurRandolph, 4500 are good. we have 3 4510's
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20:27<ArthurRandolph>we expect to pump about 200 mbit of multicast TV channels into the network
20:27<comradekingu>DIY link?
20:27<ArthurRandolph>with 4x1GBps for each building
20:27<NickMind-XP_BOX>ArthurRandolph, ? are the linux router connected to each other via fiber?
20:28<ArthurRandolph>NickMind-XP_BOX, 1Gbit copper
20:28<NickMind-XP_BOX>ArthurRandolph, cool i dig that
20:28<NickMind-XP_BOX>ArthurRandolph, i mean the setup
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20:28<ArthurRandolph>about 50-80 meters max to the central switch
20:28<comradekingu>Cisco has a way of not respecting the GPL of the software they use i noticed, is there anything else than cisco to be had?
20:28<ArthurRandolph>cisco for 500$ ? about everything else
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20:28<NickMind-XP_BOX>comradekingu, you are 100% right
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20:29<NickMind-XP_BOX>you should see there SAN-OS the os they run on there SAN switches
20:30<abrotman>try #debian-offtopic please
20:30<NickMind-XP_BOX>I don't see any managed switch that is $500.
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20:30<NickMind-XP_BOX>sorry abrotman
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20:31<adrian>anyone have a suggestion on testing a modem or internet connection?
20:31<comradekingu>I went looking for a switch, found one i liked and hoped my budget would not laugh at me
20:32<adrian>some things load really fast yet other things like apt runs super slow
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20:33<comradekingu>Maybe your ISP prioritizes everything else but packet mirrors
20:33<adrian>you could be right
20:33<adrian>att might just suck
20:34<adrian>I downloaded a new debian iso though torrent faster then i could get a 5MB update
20:34<comradekingu>16p gigabit PoE QoS for 500$, where should i look?
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20:35<NickMind-XP_BOX>comradekingu, again I have never seen a managed switch less then $1500
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20:37<comradekingu>Doesnt managed mean you can set up priorities based on internal ip and port?
20:37<adrian>i you buy used you could pick up a cisco for about the same price as a new linksys
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20:37<comradekingu>I got that on my wireless router, and that didnt cost that much
20:37<adrian>comradekingu, you can also throttle traffic to your roomamte that torrents too much
20:38<comradekingu>That would be me
20:38<adrian>i'm that roommate too it's why i have a managed switch :P
20:38<adrian>but i got mine for free from a hosting company that was going under
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20:39<comradekingu>Thats nice
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20:41<comradekingu>Could i still use the dhcp server in my wireless router and use that only for throttling internets?
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20:43<adrian>i'm gunna try sending my modem back
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20:43<adrian>thank you for the help
20:44<comradekingu>I found a used 3524 XL - 24 port switch
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20:44<abrotman>comradekingu: #debian-offtopic
20:45<comradekingu>Oh damn, i didnt know i was in the debian channel, sorry
20:46<comradekingu>I figured i was in another room, and thought to myself, "why are there all of a sudden all these clever people here?"
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21:24<eljefe>I am having some very odd issues with my Music/ folder... After trying to set permissions to prevent an overwrite of my Music/ amarok couldn't play the tracks any longer. I ran 'ls -la Music/' and got this: -rwxrwxrwt I don't know what that means exactly, something with the sticky bit. Then I ran 'sudo chmod -R 660 Music/' and now all the permissions are like this: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Gold Lion
21:28<adrian>thats not good
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21:31<abrotman>eljefe: filesyste m?
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21:31<eljefe>hm... reading more on the sticky bit, it seems as tho maybe I chmod ugo+t somehow... once I chmod ugo-t life seems better, although amarok is not seeing my music... its ext3
21:31<LostPlanet>i'm wondering if there are any standard packages that i should install to enable my wireless card on my laptop ( well to work iwth the card)
21:32<eljefe>google for its make and model... I've always found 'wicd' to be the best wireless-connection app once you get the card working
21:32<eljefe>ok maybe amarok is working, it jumped in its scan from 0% to 9%
21:33<LostPlanet>from what i've read it might not be straight forward. i haev a realtec RTL8187SE card
21:34<eljefe>LostPlanet have you used module-assistant before?
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21:34<abrotman>LostPlanet: /msg dpkg RTL8187SE
21:34<eljefe>from my guess it looks rather simple
21:34<eljefe>ah well, installing it may be simple, but it may not run according to dpkgbot
21:34<eljefe>or, may not work reliably
21:35<LostPlanet>!tell lostplanet rtl8187se
21:35<LostPlanet>!tell LostPlanet rtl8187se
21:35<eljefe>none the less, instal module-assistant then try running as root, "m-a a-i rtl8187se-source" and then run as root "modprobe rtl8187se" and let us know
21:36<LostPlanet>!tell LostPlanet RTL8187se
21:36<eljefe>try /msg dpkg RTL8187SE
21:37<abrotman>why was /msg so hard to understand ?
21:37<LostPlanet>what package is the m-a part of because i couldn't find it the other day
21:37<LostPlanet>i understand it fine
21:37<LostPlanet>i did it already
21:37<LostPlanet>i was trying to see if the !tell works too
21:37<LostPlanet>but i must be doing something wrong
21:37<eljefe> looks useful, not sure if its accurate but it has some ideas in it
21:37<abrotman>it does, you're doing it wrong
21:38<LostPlanet>!tell me about etch
21:38<abrotman>LostPlanet: just freaking msg the bot already
21:38<LostPlanet>does the tell message still come up to you all ?
21:38<LostPlanet>i already did
21:38<eljefe>yes we see it
21:39<LostPlanet>seems like !tell should not post to the general chat
21:39<LostPlanet>but okay
21:39<abrotman>then use /msg ... it's not hard
21:39<Gekz>LostPlanet: they mean they see you saying !tell
21:39<Gekz>not the reply
21:39<Gekz>ie, /msg dpkg etch and it replies to you
21:39<Gekz>without the whole channel seeing
21:39<LostPlanet>yes i know thye see em typing !tell
21:39<LostPlanet>yes i already did /msg
21:39<abrotman>so stop doing it
21:39<LostPlanet>i am just playing around
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21:39<LostPlanet>didn't realize that you saw me !tell until now
21:39<eljefe>!tell him to stop again > abrotman
21:40<eljefe>lol dpkg responded to that :)
21:40<eljefe>how did the install go? you may need the kernel headers, and make
21:40<eljefe>and gcc?
21:46<LostPlanet>gekz: what i was saying is i think it is strange that !tell does post to general chat. it should be like /msg in that no one else should see me type it. but i guess that's they way it works
21:46<Gekz>learn to irc.
21:46<LostPlanet>thanks for the help with module-assistant
21:46<LostPlanet>i am learning
21:46<LostPlanet>thanks for telling me about !tell
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21:50<LostPlanet>eljefe: m-a a-i rtl8187se-source doesn't work.
21:50<LostPlanet>was that the command ?
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21:51<eljefe>hmm... do you have repositories for Sit?
21:52<LostPlanet>probably not
21:52<LostPlanet>i'll add them
21:53<LostPlanet>well wait, can i just add them ?
21:53<LostPlanet>are you talking about the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
21:55<eljefe>yes, and you can just copy one that reads 'lenny' and change that word to 'sid'
21:55<eljefe>then as root 'apt-get update' first
21:56<LostPlanet>updating now
21:58<LostPlanet>okay. now its downloading
22:00<chealer>LostPlanet: you shouldn't. you could setup a testing/unstable mix
22:00<chealer>!tell LostPlanet about tum
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22:01<sevele>Is there anyone understand chinese?
22:02<abrotman>oh jebus
22:02<asteroid>the language or the people?
22:03<asteroid>i've had some interesting discussions with a visiting chinese professor once
22:03<LostPlanet>did he talk about the meaning of "bless you" after you sneeze
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22:03<asteroid>not one bit
22:03<asteroid>he was very formal
22:03<LostPlanet>heh, sorry . a college prof i had who was very strange sometimes
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22:05<user549>so gparted is crawling scanning my disks. is that normal. i mean over a minute or two to scan a modest sized disk.
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22:05<sevele>asteroid, certainly the language
22:05<asteroid>you can jump in the discussion sevele, please understand that not all of us can handle the language chinese
22:05<LostPlanet>eljefe: modprobe rtl-8187se says its not found.
22:05<LostPlanet>sorry, no dash
22:06<eljefe>found it?
22:06<user549>so, gparted?
22:06<LostPlanet>modprobe rtl8187se says module not found
22:06<eljefe>try w/o se part?
22:06<eljefe>not sure
22:06<eljefe>after it installed there needs to be some way to load it
22:06<LostPlanet>no error
22:06<eljefe>now get online?
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22:07<LostPlanet>modprobe -l | grep rtl now shows an rtl8187.ko
22:07<LostPlanet>yea, now how do i turn it on ?
22:08<eljefe>then you may want to ad that to the end of /etc/modules
22:08<eljefe>ah with iwconfig up or something, not sure; then with dhclient to get teh address
22:08<eljefe>man iwconfig
22:09<eljefe>or install Wicd and start its daemon /etc/init.d/wicd start and then run the GUI. its great.
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22:09<eljefe>lemme know, back in a bit
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22:12<sevele>asteroid, most of you are American?
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22:13<asteroid>i think we are from all around the world
22:13<LostPlanet>eljefe: wicd detects my wired network ,but doesn't seem to notice any wireless devices
22:13<LostPlanet>maybe i need to reset or need to setup eth1
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22:21<user549>hey. i just fired up gparted and i'm trying to format a hdd ntfs, but the ntfs option is greyed out and unavailable. any ideas?
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22:22<chealer>LostPlanet: rtl8187 is for "RTL8187", not for RTL8187SE
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22:23<LostPlanet>makes sense
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22:24<LostPlanet>well i seem to have this folder for rtl8187se source code. i'm running the ./makedrv now
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22:25<LostPlanet>and then ran ./wlan0up and now it seems to be working]
22:25<LostPlanet>after i told wicd to use wlan0 as the wireless device
22:25<LostPlanet>at least i am seeing networks
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22:30<user549>is artsd required to run alsa?
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22:31<LostPlanet2>okay. i think i'm done for tonight
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22:35<asteroid>what is so funny sevele?
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22:37<sevele>I'm funny?
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22:38<asteroid>you typed :04:24 haha
22:39<abrotman>drop it
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22:39<sevele>asteroid, haha means laugh
22:40<piovasco>what does the service Squid do?
22:40<abrotman>web proxy
22:40<piovasco>dont understand what their website says very well
22:41<abrotman>piovasco: apt-cache show squid or squid3 .. whichever it is
22:41<sevele>I'm sorry and I'll use standard English from now on!
22:41<asteroid>that's very kind
22:42<piovasco>i installed something (dont remmebr well what, i think it was some gtk+ admin tools) and some services installed without me noticing it
22:42<piovasco>such as squid
22:42<sevele>asteroid, nice to meet you!
22:43<piovasco>im a regular desktop user, i dont need nor get any advantages from having it running right_
22:43<sevele>I think we can make friends!
22:43<asteroid>we all are very friendly here
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22:44<sevele>That's good,I'm a new Debian user!
22:44<asteroid>do you know professor wu?
22:44<sevele>sorry,I don't know
22:45<asteroid>ahhh, too bad. he came to my city sometime ago, great man :)
22:45<asteroid>welcome in the channel
22:45<abrotman>asteroid: #debian-offtopic ...
22:46<abrotman>take him with you
22:46<asteroid>we try to solve eloborate debian questions and problems here
22:46<sevele>can you say anyother things about professor wu?
22:46<abrotman>sevele: #debian-offtopic please
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22:47<sevele>abrotman, I'm sorry!
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22:49<asteroid>professor wu lived in the middle of china i believe
22:49<abrotman>asteroid: stop already
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22:51<sevele>asteroid, I think we should stop,now
22:51<asteroid>it's ok
22:51<asteroid>peace and good code :)
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22:52<sevele>asteroid, thank you!
22:52<asteroid>Thank You :)
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22:54<Disvroian>Hye someone could help me about debian lenny and iwl3945 ? when i tried an iwlist scanning i have an network is down
22:54<Disvroian>but my wifi is turned on ...
22:55<Disvroian>and when i boot my computer turn on the light about the wifi but when x start the light turn off
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22:56<Disvroian>and on the network manager applet wifi is disabled
22:56<Disvroian>i see it but could not check it
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23:02<Disvroian>anybody could help me ?
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23:06<chealer>Disvroian: what interface is your card?
23:06<Disvroian>3945 a/b/g
23:07<Disvroian>and i installed the firmware-iwlist without success
23:08<sevele>Disvroian, sorry,I'm a new linux user,I can't help you
23:08<Disvroian>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection ( rev 02 )
23:09<Disvroian>when i do an lspci
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23:10<chealer>Disvroian: I mean, which "kernel-resident network interface" is your card, as seen with ifconfig?
23:11<Disvroian>chealer: sorry but don t understand you query ... my kernel is an
23:13<chealer>Disvroian: in ifconfig's output... do you see wlan0 or something else?
23:13<piovasco>what does the service Squid do?ls
23:13<Disvroian>chealer: yep and he said IEEE 802.11 ESSID: "" etc .... but all empty
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23:14<chealer>Disvroian: does ifconfig show wlan0 as up?
23:14<Disvroian>chealer: yeah
23:15<Disvroian>chealer: iwlist wlan1 scanning return Interface doesn t support scanning : network is down
23:15<chealer>Disvroian: wlan1? what about wlan0?
23:15<Disvroian>chealer: nothing about wlan0
23:16<chealer>Disvroian: please provide the output of # ifconfig; iwconfig wlan0; iwlist wlan0;
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23:17<Disvroian>in ifconfig i have only eth0 and lo
23:19<chealer>Disvroian: then wlan0 is not up.
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23:21<Disvroian>ifconfig wlan0 up return ERROR while getting interface
23:21<Disvroian>chealer: all is on wlan1
23:21<Disvroian>chealer: and nothing on wlan0
23:23<chealer>Disvroian: that's strange... do you have several wireless NIC-s%
23:23<Disvroian>chealer: don t know but i think is not the most important
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23:27<chealer>Disvroian: well, it's important that you know which interface your card is. Wireless in Debian is not easy. what does $ ls -l /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver; output?
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23:28<Disvroian>chealer: no such file or directory
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23:29<Disvroian>but the output of wlan1 is /sys/class/net/wlan1/device/driver -> ../../../../bus/pci/drivers/iwl3945
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23:32<chealer>Disvroian: sorry, my connection skipped. the last message I got is "but the output of wlan1 is /sys/class/net/wlan1/device/driver -> ../../../../bus/pci/drivers/iwl3945"
23:32<Disvroian>chealer: yep it the last one
23:32<chealer>Disvroian: then your interface is wlan1 and you shouldn't see anything about wlan0 in ifconfig's output.
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23:33<Disvroian>chealer: is the case
23:33<dmoerner>Disvroian: do you have any weird persistent udev rules that are hanging around in /etc that might be screwing up the name
23:34<chealer>Disvroian: put wlan1 up
23:34<Disvroian>chealer: i put it up with an ifconfig wlan1 up
23:35<chealer>Disvroian: what does # iwconfig wlan1; output?
23:35<Disvroian>chealer: nothing
23:35<Disvroian>and in /etc/udev/rules.d i have some persistent files
23:35<chealer>Disvroian: what does # ifconfig wlan1; output?
23:37<Disvroian>Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:de;03:95:bd
23:37<Disvroian>and in /etc/udev/rules.d i have some persistent files
23:38<Disvroian>70-persistent-net.rules i have PCI device
23:38<Disvroian>SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", etc ..
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23:44<adrian>hey guys
23:44<adrian>got a apt question
23:44<adrian>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64_2.6.26-13_amd64.deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)
23:45<dmoerner>adrian: is /boot or /var full?
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23:48<adrian>boots got 198Mb and var is over a gig
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23:50<lolinternet>wives that swallow
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23:53<simonrvn>!ops lolinternet
23:53<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: lolinternet
23:54-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
23:54-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by mentor
23:54-!-lolinternet was kicked from #debian by mentor [lolinternet]
23:54<simonrvn>thank you
23:54-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
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