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---Logopened Wed Jan 21 00:00:19 2009
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00:05<lolinternet2>no u x infinity niggertits wives that swallow
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00:06<Gekz>that wasnt even valid spamming
00:06<Gekz>it was unfun
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00:13<sgpy>Hi, new to debian here. Trying new install with debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso. After successful boot from CD, it fails on driver scan "no common cd-rom drive was detected". Google suggests modprobe ide-scsi may help but it returns "not found".
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00:13<sgpy>cd: samsung sh-s223q. mobo asus p6t.
00:14<@stew>ide-scsi is very old and not to be used anymore
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00:14<@stew>sgpy: watever you were looking at must be old
00:14<@stew>sgpy: is this new hardware?
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00:14<sgpy>it has been hard to find others with the problem... it was reasonably old.
00:14<sgpy>yes new system.
00:15<stew>sgpy: try etchnhalf: /msg dpkg etchnhalf
00:15<sgpy>I'll go look that up. Thanks.
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00:16<stew>dpkg: etchnhalf
00:16<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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00:19<lolthegrebs>n1gger knife
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00:21<snogglethorpe>that was fast
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00:56<piovasco>if running samba for a simpel home network of one laptop with win, and printing at a deb desktop
00:56<piovasco> should samaba open two port?
00:56<piovasco> i i have two ports open, just wondering if that normal
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01:00<Supaplex>piovasco: sounds okay. what ports?
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01:08<piovasco>i mean, i have samba running on the desktop only, and it opened two ports on that box... thought itd just be one
01:08<Supaplex>not the case.
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01:11<Supaplex>oh, and ignore tcp. some of those are on udp. I was lazy with my paste. :p
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01:56<sgpy>stew: It worked! Thanks for rescuing me from the many hours of chasing my tail. Yay!
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02:19<sgpy>I wanted to install 64-bit debian for an Intel i7, but just realized that I probably needed the amd64 rather than the i386 install CD. Can I convert over after I complete the i386 install or do I need to abort, burn a new install CD and start over?
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02:20<jm_>it will be faster if you reinstall
02:21<sgpy>I was afraid of that... ok... thanks. :/
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02:24<chealer>sgpy: why would you need amd64?
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02:27<sgpy>chealer: Isn't amd64 the 64-bit build for use with both amd and intel x86 processors?
02:28<sep>sgpy, yes amd64 is the 64 build for the common x86, no you can not convert after installation,
02:28<chealer>sgpy: yes, it's the x86-64 build. you can use it, I'm just asking you'd *need* it.
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02:30<sgpy>sep: thanks for the clarification. chealer: one big reason is so that it will cope with 12gb of ram.
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02:32<simonrvn>i'd say it was needed
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02:35<sgpy>yeah, i got frustrated running out of resources for vm's. we'll see; maybe i over compensated.
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02:38*mib_fwn8pqpe says Hi
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02:39<Panarchy>What's the smallest [in MB] Debian based (so it can install .deb, and can install apt) distribution that uses GNOME as it's main Desktop environment?
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02:43*Panarchy goes back to work on his linux distribution [- -]
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02:49<chealer>Panarchy: ask ##linux
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02:49<snogglethorpe>why do some channels have two "#"s?
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03:02<yang>hi jm_
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03:45<Panarchy>chealer: Will do
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04:00<OdyX>Panarchy: the answer is "Debian" or maybe "Emdebian"
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05:36<OdyX>Hi. Is a bug on an experimental package using a "testing" library (instead of an "unstable" one) valid ? (or are experimental users "required" to use sid ?)
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05:39<blarson>OdyX: If the testing library meets the package requirements, I'd consider it a bug.
05:39<FilipeMaia>What is the UID with which the executable maps of autofs are executed?
05:39<OdyX>blarson: Ok. That's what I ended to think too. Thanks !
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05:45<Myon>FilipeMaia: probably root
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05:47<disco>linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 seems to be installed for me, even though I'm in a Xen VPS, with a 2.6.18 kernel. Is it safe to remove the 2.6.26-1-686 package?
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06:30<Stuckey>I'm trying to mount an external hard drive... this is all I see in dmesg:
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06:31<Stuckey>Could anyone explain to me how it could be mounted?
06:32<themill>dpkg: tell Stuckey about multiple ask
06:35<metalqga>stuckey you chose the best FS for the external hdd
06:36<Stuckey>metalqga, Could you be more specific?
06:36<metalqga>haven't tried but search for 3g-nfs or sth like that
06:36<metalqga>me simply hates NTFS
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06:37<metalqga>thanks Gekz
06:40<Stuckey>Gekz, How do I tell where it is in /dev?
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06:47<Stuckey>Trying to copy onto this disk and it says: "cp: cannot create regular file `/media/disk/movie.avi': Permission denied"
06:47<petemc>Stuckey: you're using ntfs?
06:47<Stuckey>I used mount /dev* -t ntfs /media
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06:48<metalqga>. /media is owned by root?
06:48<petemc>Stuckey: you need to use btfs-3g to write to ntfs
06:48<Stuckey>oh the package ntfs-3g
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06:48<petemc>Stuckey: you know, there are other ways to gather information than irc
06:48<Stuckey>petemc, I'm not aware of other ways.
06:48<metalqga>I've never heard of google
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06:49<Stuckey>Google is evil
06:49<Gekz>Stuckey: mount -t ntfs-3g
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06:50<Stuckey>Gekz, ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Device or resource busy
06:50<metalqga>unmount it firts
06:50<Stuckey>It's unmounted.
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06:50<metalqga>thanks Gekz
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06:54<shams>hi there
06:54<shams>i have some problems with my usb tv tuner Avertv volar ax. My distr is ubuntu 8.10 with kernel 2.6.27-9 on notebook. i can't my tv tuner work it out. Having googled for a week i have no option
06:54<shams>can you help me with this plz
06:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:54<metalqga>don't thank me
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06:55<shams>debian & ubuntu have same settings
06:55<themill>shams: no they don't. Please ask #ubuntu on
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07:06<Glanzmann>Hello; Which tool do I use to submit a bugreport on the commandline?
07:06<@weasel>a mail client?
07:06<@weasel>or reportbug
07:06<Glanzmann>Nope, wrong answer.
07:06<@weasel>right answer
07:06<Glanzmann>Thank you.
07:07<@weasel>both of them work.
07:07<@weasel>reportbug is just a stupid, special purpose mail client also
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07:07<Gekz>wrong answer.
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07:38<uzer>heloo people
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07:39<uzer>is there anybody how know how to optimize eclipse work? it is to slow on my PC
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07:51<vette>any help with pcmcia setup
07:52<gsimmons>vette: You'll need to specify the type of help you require.
07:52<gsimmons>!tell vette -about ask
07:54<vette>trying to install a sim card based pcmcia in my laptop
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07:55<yang>After aptitude install linux-image-xxx I am unable to boot the newest kernel, somehow old kernel always comes back up, I checked grub settings and all ?
07:55<yang>always comes back as 2.6.18-4-686
07:55<ctux>i need an opinion about sources.list
07:55<yang>ctux: what kind ?
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07:56<metalqga>yang grub-update
07:56<ctux>are these OK ? im using these
07:56<yang>metalqga: i did that, too
07:56<ctux>yang: please have a look
07:56<yang>ctux: which release are you using?
07:56<ctux>installed from daily built netinsatll iso
07:56<yang>ctux: are you from the USA?
07:56<uzer>hello what Java IDE do you use?
07:57<metalqga>yang insert the new entry manually then
07:57<ctux>yang: no
07:57<yang>ctux: you can choose a local country mirror -
07:57<yang>metalqga: how do you mean to do that?
07:58<ctux>yang: yes thanks, that i will do but are these repos i have collected look safe?
07:58<yang>ctux: just replace with ftp.<countrycode>
07:58<yang>i don't know about third party repos, they aren't trusted
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08:00<ctux>yang: yes that`s true
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08:00<ctux>im just wondering if im doing right thing?
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08:02<metalqga>yang gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
08:02<metalqga>as root
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08:02<metalqga>copy the line with the old kernel, paste it above the old kernel
08:03<metalqga>and change the versio to the one you just installed
08:03<metalqga>save and reboot
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08:03<metalqga>actually the lines
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08:05<yang>that doesn't make sense
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08:06<tzafrir_laptop>hmm... what is the exact point of all of those "remove my message from the debian archive" spams?
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08:08<tzafrir_laptop>surely not to simply get replies. for that one could simply get the archive of the same list
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08:09<tzafrir_laptop>Raise the rank of a certain name?
08:09<yang>do you see the Sell car spamlink?
08:09<yang>probably its just about that
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08:09<mrnice`>hinge_cut, got a problem with ulogd, Jan 1 01:00:00 IN="@M OUT= MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00: ..... someone got a tip? strange date and interface , iptables LOG target works
08:10<tzafrir_laptop>yang, the spammer didn't provide a direct link to the previous message
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08:10<mrnice`>hi got a problem with ulogd, Jan 1 01:00:00 IN="@M OUT= MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00: ..... someone got a tip? strange date and interface , iptables LOG target works
08:10<tzafrir_laptop>yang, ah, I missed that
08:10<yang>metalqga: well i did update-grub and still comes back as old kernel, something is broken
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08:15<yang>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2008-12-24 14:29 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686
08:15<yang>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2008-12-24 13:56 vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686
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09:04<willemb>My iceowl plugin for icedove is behaving very badly. Can someone please help?
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09:07<willemb>aha! fixed it. kind of
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09:13<willemb>ok, i installed iceowl-extension, but it I can't even start icedove with it installed
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09:13<willemb>I removed it and installed lightning 0.9 from the mozilla site. At least nothing looks broken on the surface, but I cannot add new calendars
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09:17<willemb>something about needing compat-libstdc++
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09:19<willemb>Only, I can't figure out how to do that :-(
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09:25<glax>Hi guys, which package do I need to install to get and gd.h on the system
09:25<glax>I had install many but none of them seems to create this filess
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09:31<gsimmons>!tell glax -about search
09:32<themill>apt-file is your friend
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09:37<glax>thanks, works fine
09:37<glax>I have 2 problems on lenny. I change the logging window. It works like for 5 times and then it changes back to the default on. 2) Sometimes X stops suddenly and cannot start again, need to reboot the computer for it to appear. May someone help me with that?
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09:42<densin>hi all
09:43<densin>is it possible to install old version of package ? It seem upgrade mysql-server have problem for me
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09:45<LM_Jake>Yeah, i think you should be able to install a single package with dpkg.
09:45<LM_Jake>you'll have to do it as root though
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09:46<densin>no way for online downgrade ?
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09:47<themill>densin: you can get old packages from snapshots (/msg dpkg sdn) but it's not always such a good plan. It would be better to work out what the problem is.
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09:48<densin>another question , mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-community-server-5.0 which one is better ?
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09:50<willemb>i got sorted out, thanks
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09:51<LM_Jake>I don't have much experience with either, but you would probably get more updates and stuff in general from the community-server
09:51<densin>thank you. i will try
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09:52<themill>except that mysql-community-server-5.0 isn't actually a debian package
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09:53<Tuplad>how do I check if my audio device is in use ? (/dev/snd and /dev/dsp something)
09:54<rjent>Greetings, I have a compaq persario CQ50-139WM that I can not get the external video port to enable with the function keys. Running sid, any ideas?
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09:55<themill>!list alsa users
09:55<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
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09:57<LM_Jake>Yeah, if you want and easy install. Go with a debian package
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09:59<rabe>hi everyone
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10:25<LM_Jake>peace all
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10:29<rjent>Greetings, I upgrade my sid last night and now my fonts look bad and I seem to have lost my screen resolution options.
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10:42<halflife>hello folks messages like TKIP replay detected for RX frame and TKIP decrypt: iv16=3 are filling up syslog and kern.log i am not sure they are an indication or a problem or just debug info . how do i either disable them or find out what the problem is
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10:58<laquadrapril>When the shadow package is up to date, do we need to restart the server or not ? I guess it's not needed considering that it's not kernel related, but it's a core thing and I permits login, so...
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10:58<Woet>My server switched to a readonly filesystem, but I ran fsck and fixed all errors
10:58<Woet>I rebooted and it went to read-only again
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10:59<Woet>how to solve this?
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11:02<Woet>/dev/sda5: clean, 515646/19202048 files, 9817553/38399358 blocks
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11:15<chealer>Woet: does the hard drive with the problematic file system pass SMART self-tests?
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11:18<Woet>chealer: how to check?
11:19<Woet>chealer: it's a server 100 miles away
11:19<metalqga>hey woet, how did fsck work for you?
11:19<Woet>metalqga: it fixed, and told me to reboot
11:19<Woet>i'll run it again
11:19<metalqga>and still read-only
11:19<Woet>after I reboot, it comes up with the same errors
11:20<metalqga>the same errors ?
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11:20<metalqga>no definately not the same
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11:20<metalqga>yesterday it had problems with the journal
11:21<metalqga>well you said NO :D
11:21<Woet>it says severe damage
11:21<metalqga>unmount the partition!
11:21<chealer>Woet: with smartctl
11:21<metalqga>read it again please!
11:21<Woet>i see
11:22<metalqga>listen to chealer, I'm not that proficient in this stuff
11:22<Woet>chealer: smartctl isn't installed
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11:23<Woet>.. right
11:24<metalqga>woet is this server raid1 or sth?
11:24<chealer>!install it
11:24<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
11:24<Woet>chealer: obviously, I can't install it
11:24<Woet>the filesystem is readonly
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11:25<chealer>Woet: oh. how long before it goes read-only?
11:25<Woet>chealer: instantly
11:25<metalqga>if it's raid 1 it can't be because of one faulty drive (can it be)
11:25<Woet>at least before SSH
11:25<Woet>metalqga: it's not RAID
11:25<chealer>Woet: how many hard drives do you use?
11:25<Woet>chealer: 1.
11:26<metalqga>a nice server you have 8-|
11:26<Woet>metalqga: excuse me?
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11:30<chealer>Woet: install Debian on a new hard drive, or run a live distribution with smartmontools
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11:30<Woet>chealer: again, the server is 100 miles away
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11:31<Woet>and I can't make hardware changes
11:31<Woet>isn't there simply a way to disable the read-only?
11:33<barnes>anyone skilled on iozone?
11:34<chealer>Woet: what's the partition layout?
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11:36*themill looks at the usage on /boot suspiciously
11:36*chealer too
11:36<chealer>Woet: do you really have a 145G /boot partition or what?
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11:36<Woet>no, that's wrong
11:37<Woet>the actual harddisk is only 160 G
11:37<metalqga>18:21 Woet
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11:37<Woet>yes, I noticed
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11:37<Woet>that's obviously wrong
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11:38<ranix>sda1 and sda5 are the same device?
11:38<Woet>seems to be
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11:38<ranix>how did you pull that off
11:38<Woet>no idea
11:38<chealer>Woet: does memtest report errors?
11:38<ranix>Woet: pastebin your fstab
11:39<metalqga>woet the two pastes are completely differet.... the 18:21 the /boot partition is 36mb
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11:39<Woet>metalqga: I can assure you it's the same server and same command
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11:41<ranix>Woet: you only have one 200g drive?
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11:41<Woet>ranix: Yes.
11:41<ranix>Woet: can you paste me your /boot/grub/menu.lst entry for the kernel arguments you are using
11:41<Woet>cat: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory
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11:42<Woet>I unmounted /boot earlier for fsck
11:42<Woet>I did reboot since then though
11:42<phealy>So, a quick question for you all. I was experimenting with running the linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel from unstable with an i386 userspace system so that I could set up a pure64 chroot and run a few 64 bit apps. While I'm doing that, everything seems to work just fine except for wireless - specifically, neither the b43 or ndiswrapper drivers will work with my dell 1390. I'm curious if anyone knows if I need to use 32 or 64 bit drivers, or if that eve
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11:42<phealy>ok, maybe not so quick ;)
11:42<ranix>Woet: do you maybe have a joker using your server who put a startup script that remounts /boot/ as /dev/sda5
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11:43<Woet>ranix: I'm pretty sure that's not the case
11:43<Woet>nobody has shell access
11:43<Woet>and nobody has root access either
11:43<ranix>Woet: it seems that /boot/ actually has your root filesystem on it
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11:43<ranix>Woet: what do you see when you cd to /boot and ls
11:43<Woet>.. and .
11:43<Woet>that's all
11:44<metalqga>unmount boot, then mount the sda1 to boot
11:45<Woet>metalqga: It was already unmounted
11:45<Woet>metalqga: how to mount it again? (properly)
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11:46<metalqga>the way one usually does...
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11:46<ranix>Woet: mount /boot/
11:47<metalqga>mount /dev/sda1 /boot
11:47<metalqga>or simply mount -a
11:47<ranix>it's in fstab so leaving off /dev/sda1 is fine
11:48<metalqga>and end up mounting / to /boot :P
11:48<Woet>be right back
11:48<chealer>phealy: your question was truncated at "or if that eve"
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11:49<phealy>chealer: or if that even matters with b43 since it's just the firmware
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11:50<phealy>there seems to be a kernel bug in the linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 package in relation to the b43 driver, but it's not teh same problem (they connect and drop, I never connect in the first place)
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12:00<phealy>no thoughts, chealer? :)
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12:01<Woet>ranix: done
12:01<Woet>ranix: It's mounted
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12:04<metalqga>ranix Woet: what do you see when you cd to /boot and ls
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12:05<Woet>config-2.6.18-6-686 grub initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 lost+found vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686
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12:12<metalqga>ranix Woet: can you paste me your /boot/grub/menu.lst entry for the kernel arguments you are using
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12:27<chealer>phealy: I don't really understand your question.
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12:40<skule>Im trying to build a package router from a Soekris 5501 with Debian etch. When routing at ~10mbps (ipsec traffic) the OS becomes very unresponsive, and it seems that all of the cpu time goes to softirq. Is there anything I can do about this, or is the hardware/os combination just not up for the job
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12:45<fgh>plz i need a simple midiplayer for gnome or console
12:46<@stew>fgh: timidity
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12:46<schlurchz>Hi, I'm planning to upgrade my system memory and my swap partition will become smaller than ram. I guess to use s2disk (uswsusp), I'll have to add more swap, right? Can I do that by adding another swap partition, keeping the old one?
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12:47<schlurchz>Because I cannot easily grow the existing swap partition.
12:49<themill>stew: rosegarden! If you can't tout the package here, where can you? (as long as we want to ignore the gnome not qt request :)
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12:50<stew>themill: "for gnome or console" :)
12:51<frood>i just upgraded from etch to lenny using "aptitude full-upgrade" and now PHP/apache have stopped working. PHP is no longer available on websites. Anyone come accross anythign like tnhis before?
12:51<metalqga>schlirchz you can add another partition as swpa
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12:52<themill>frood: were you originally using apache1.3 on etch?
12:52<schlurchz>metalqga: I guess the memory image can't be split across several swap partitions, right?
12:52<@weasel>it can be compressed.
12:52<phealy>chealer: I'm running sid i386. I installed the amd64 kernel package that's in sid so that I can run an amd64 chroot. after doing so, my wireless card no longer works using either the b43 or ndiswrapper drivers.
12:52<frood>themill: apache2
12:53<schlurchz>But the image will have to fit into one swap container, or can it be "distributed" over several swap containers?
12:54<themill>frood: php4 or php5? Do you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed?
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12:54<metalqga>it can be split
12:54<metalqga>like raid0
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12:54<metalqga>' /dev/hda3 none swap sw,pri=1 0 0 /dev/sda5 none swap sw,pri=1 0 0
12:54<schlurchz>metalqga: oh really? any pointer to docs for that?
12:55<metalqga>dunno, I needed it for my hibernation experiments and found it in google
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12:55<frood>themill: it looks like i've jumped the gun a bit. it does work sort of. I have to specify /index.php at the end of the URL now for some reason. If i don't firefox thinks it's downloading a file of type x-httpd-php
12:55<schlurchz>I tried but failed to google nice answers
12:56<schlurchz>Will I have to add some resume=<device> to the kernel cmdline? I didn't need to so far.
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12:57<metalqga>just put this into fstab and mount -a
12:57<themill>frood: /msg dpkg php wants me to download still ; make sure that you have index.php as a DirectoryIndex somewhere in your config (it should be in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf by default)
12:57<themill>(although it sounds like the last bit is not a problem)
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12:59<frood>themill: ok thanks for your help :)
12:59<themill>no worries
13:00<schlurchz>ok, so I just add another swap that's big enough so it adds up with the existing swap to the total system ram
13:00<metalqga>pri=1 means it will split the load equally
13:00<@weasel>you probably shouldn't do if they are on the same disk
13:00<schlurchz>weasel: why not?
13:00<frood>themill: i just tried it in IE and it works fine. looks like its probably just a browser issue
13:00<schlurchz>there's only one disk in the machine
13:00<SigurdH>Hi! I'm trying to install Debian Etch for the first time, and I've run into a problem with the installation of GRUB. The error message I'm getting is: "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed." I've been searching the web for help; tried things like changing my partitions to ext2 filesystem -- running grub-commands to change the location to sd0, in the terminal window I got pressing F1 -- nothings seems to work. Could anyone give me a hand?
13:00<metalqga>it will make the disk work slower
13:01<themill>frood: browser cacheing will make your life difficult at this stage
13:01<@weasel>metalqga: "please divide these 400 pages of paper equally, placing one page at this end of the room and the other page at the other end of the room"
13:01<metalqga>so just add another swap partition the same way as the old one, if the new is on the same disk
13:01<frood>themill: thats cool. i'm just glad the sites not broken ;)
13:01<metalqga>weasel me assumed he used another hdd
13:02<schlurchz>no, it's the same disk, with some free space, but the swap partition is inbetween other partitions, so I cannot easily grow it.
13:03<@weasel>why do you not simply try if it works without a second swap partition.
13:03<metalqga>but why do you need 1:1 actual to virutal ram?
13:04<metalqga>me thinks only hibernation needed this
13:04<schlurchz>metalqga: that was just my assumption, modulo an unknown compression ration I wouldn't count on
13:04<@weasel>no, it doesn't
13:04<@weasel>that's my point
13:04<stoned>weasel, why are you op?
13:04<@weasel>schlurchz: by your argument you need as much swap as you have "swap+physical ram" together
13:04<@weasel>so I don't have to put up with useless questions
13:04<metalqga>he was about to kick me for suggesting stupid things to schlurchz ;P
13:05<themill>swsusp used to have a limit of 1/2 RAM for the size of the suspend image anyway. Don't know if that's finally been removed as it's come a long way in the last couple of years.
13:05<metalqga>lol weasel this is an endless loop
13:06<schlurchz>I thought I'd need 1:1 of physical ram of course, not virtual ram.
13:06<@weasel>what would it do if something is swapped out already?
13:06<@weasel>Wed 19:04:33 <weasel> schlurchz: by your argument you need as much swap as you have "swap+physical ram" together
13:06<stoned>I was about to say, usually no one keeps themselves opped unless there is an ongoing problem
13:06<stoned>carry on
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13:07<@weasel>thanks for your kind permission kind sir, whoever you are
13:07<stoned>weasel, I am me. who else would I be?
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13:07<amphi>one of the Others?
13:07<@weasel>I don't know. you are in the devel channel without following one of its most basic rules of politeness
13:07<@weasel>I can't think of anybody who'd do that
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13:08<metalqga>get him stoned ;)
13:08<schlurchz>weasel: so, how do you replace the recursive, faulty argument with one that is not recursive? :-)
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13:08<@weasel>schlurchz: try to compress the ram into the swap, if it works suspend, if not bail out.
13:09<@weasel>schlurchz: exactly like the current code does.
13:09<schlurchz>oh well
13:10<schlurchz>I guess it doesn't save cached data?
13:10<@weasel>I'd hope not, but UTSL
13:10<schlurchz>only as a last resort :-)
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13:12<schlurchz>ok, to finish this story up: *if* I add another swap partition on the same disk, I should use a different priority for it, right?
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13:12<schlurchz>or is it a bad idea altogether
13:12<fxiny>schlurchz: how many partitions after swap ?
13:13<@weasel>schlurchz: if then yes. it'll do that by default, no need to manually fuss with priorities.
13:13<schlurchz>weasel: ah, I see
13:13<schlurchz>fxiny: sorry, I cannot parse your question
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13:13<stoned>amphi, if I'm not me, when who am I
13:13<stoned>amphi, pin
13:14<fxiny>schlurchz: you said swap is in between : how many partitions do you have counting from swap ?
13:14<amphi>I dread to think ;)
13:15<stoned>amphi, which # of the quote was it about the moron?
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13:16<fxiny>amphi: where's enouf ? is he , maybe , still standing at the altar ?
13:16<stoned>he was at the bar last night, drinking
13:16<stoned>I think he is sleeping right now
13:16<stoned>no he went to applebees sorry
13:17<schlurchz>fxiny: hmm, it looks so: <swap0> [logical: <part1> <freespace> <part2> ...]
13:17<stoned>well I'm woken up enough, time to get back to .NET development! :(
13:17<stew>please take the off-topic chatter to another channel
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13:17<fxiny>schlurchz: i see , is the first logical
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13:18<schlurchz>fxiny: I could make the new swap space the second logical.
13:19<schlurchz>btw it should read "<swap0> [extended: <part1> <freespace> <part2> ..."
13:20<schlurchz>fxiny: why are you asking? speed issues?
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13:20<chealer>phealy: you mean when you use the amd64 kernel?
13:20<fxiny>schlurchz: because if that was my boix i'd delete swap . mv next partitions making space for a large swap right at the end
13:21<fxiny>schlurchz: or just swap on a large swap at the end , off the small in case i change my mind
13:21<metalqga>adding another partition is a lot easier
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13:22<fxiny>i alway play with my last partition . shrinking it or adding a new one
13:22<@weasel>learn about lvm one day
13:23<fxiny>weasel: hehehe i use lvm on the last partition :)
13:24<metalqga>fxiny told me about lvm a long time ago, but I still cant find excuse to experiment with it
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13:24<fxiny>schlurchz: you are not 100% if a second swap is needed
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13:24<fxiny>100% sure*
13:25<schlurchz>Regarding lvm, I have alway shied away from the complexity of another abstraction layer.
13:25<fxiny>metalqga: lvm is one of the nicest thing in linux
13:25<SigurdH>Hi! I'm trying to install Debian Etch for the first time, and I've run into a problem with the installation of GRUB. The error message I'm getting is: "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed." I've been searching the web for help; tried things like changing my partitions to ext2 filesystem -- running grub-commands to change the location to sd0, in the terminal window I got pressing F1 -- nothings seems to work. Could anyone give me a hand?
13:25<schlurchz>fxiny: well I'll have thrice the memory than swap, so I guess I'll need more swap for suspend.
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13:26<snogglethorpe>anyone have experiece cpufreq ondemand thing in linux 2.6.28 kernel?
13:26<snogglethorpe>it seems to be ignoring "ignore_nice_load"
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13:27<snogglethorpe>so with background processes eating all cpu, but niced, the cpus are all still running at the highest frequency
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13:27<snogglethorpe>suspend them, and the frequency drops back down
13:28<schlurchz>anyway, now I know what I'll do, thanks guys
13:28<kop>SigurdH : That's a bit odd. It means it can't write to the first drive's mbr. Humm.....
13:29<kop>SigurdH : I suspect a problem with the "mapping", what grub thinks is the first drive and what the bios thinks is the first drive.
13:29<kop>SigurdH : Have you had grub on the box before?
13:30<SigurdH>No, this is my first time.
13:30<ranix>SigurdH: what install disk are you using
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13:30<ranix>SigurdH: prior to etch there were major installer problems with SATA
13:30<ranix>maybe even in original etch
13:30<kop>schlurchz : Don't forget that you can use a swap file. Just make a big file with dd or something and tell swapon to use it. (But put it in fstab so it's used on reboot if that's what you want.)
13:31<ranix>I would suggest etch'n'half
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13:31<SigurdH>I used debian-40r6-i386-netinst.
13:31<kop>ranix, SigurdH : etchnhalf is a good suggestion.
13:32<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
13:32<ranix>thanks dpkg
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13:34<SigurdH>Thanks. I'll give etchnhalf a try.
13:34<schlurchz>kop: thanks for the suggestion, but I'll go for a partition.
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13:45<dpkg>it has been said that qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey
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13:46<fxiny>monkeys have chances to type my name but no way they can write it with a pen , see windows users ...
13:47<fxiny>my bank manager don't like me :P
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13:48<fxiny>metalqga: keep it for any burocrats idiot :P
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14:09<Guest1599>hello, I don't see hedgewars when I search apt-cache
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14:16<larsus>Guest1189: you might need to add a repository?
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14:19<craigevil>its only in Sid
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14:25<SigurdH>Hi. I had some problems with installing GRUB using Debian Etch, so I've now tried to install etchnhalf instead, but now it won't let me create a raid0 partition -- which worked fine with Etch. What's going on?
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14:39<sd_>Hello! This command removes the patterns like "mac-address=00:0C:42:2E:B3:D0" from the content of given file: sed -e 's/mac-address=//; s/..:..:..:..:..:..//g' test.txt . How to make it to rewrite the file with newly modified content?
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14:40<the-me>sd_, use the -i magic :)
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14:45<sd_>the-me: thanks!
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14:48<NickMind-XP_BOX>what command can you run to see what version of debain you are running?
14:48<halflife>cat /etc/debian_version
14:49<stew>NickMind-XP_BOX: try "lsb_release -a"
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14:49<halflife>stew: oh that's an interesting way to get the info
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14:50<stew>its less likely to work, but when it does, it gives better info
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14:52<NickMind-XP_BOX>stew, thanks that is a better way. One question does any qui base app show the same thing?
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14:53<NickMind-XP_BOX>I see my partner is running 4.0, but is there a way to see what release is being ran?
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14:55<stew>NickMind-XP_BOX: what do you mean by release? you mean whether it is 4.0r4 ro 4.0r6?
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14:58<NickMind-XP_BOX>stew: yes, what release of 4.0 is installed?
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14:58<NickMind-XP_BOX>stew: thanks
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15:00<stew>NickMind-XP_BOX: well, which release they are on is really just a matter of which security updates they have. any box running stable should have a line in sources.list, and as long as they are up to date with respect to that, they are on whatever is current, which, right now, is 4.0r6
15:00<stew>NickMind-XP_BOX: /msg dpkg security
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15:01<NickMind-XP_BOX>stew: thansk
15:01<phealy>chealer: sorry for my lack of clarity on this - the issue was that the interface would never associate if I was booted into 2.6.26-amd64. I grabbed an experimental 2.6.28-amd64 package and the wireless works fine, so it seems to be a kernel problem that was fixed
15:01<phealy>is there a preferred source for experimental kernels with sid?
15:03<jackyf>phealy: kernel-package + tarballs from
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15:08<sd_> NickMind-XP_BOX: uname -a ?
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15:08<sd_>NickMind-XP_BOX: uname -a ?
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15:10<NickMind-XP_BOX>sd_: that will tell me the kernel used, i wanted to know what version and release of debian that is installed.
15:11<sd_>NickMind-XP_BOX: oh, you're right.
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15:14<chealer>phealy: Debian experimental...but it currently doesn't have linux-2.6
15:15<chealer>current what weasel wrote
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15:18<SigurdH>Hi. I had some problems with installing GRUB using Debian Etch, so I've now tried to install etchnhalf instead, but now it won't let me create a raid0 partition -- which worked fine with Etch. What's going on?
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15:24<phealy>weasel: that has a nice 2.6.28 package, but doesn't have the kbuild package I need to use module-assistant... looks like I'm building my own
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15:27<SaintK>Hi, i am attempting to install Lenny, and during install attempting to build a software raid10. All go's fine untill the final part of the installation, here grub gives an error that its unable to install grub on hd0, as alternative i tried lilo, but that is giving a similair error. Any advice ?
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15:33<mib_ld74v3>i have a quick question
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15:34<Alabaster_W>how stable is debian on ppc
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15:34<brian17>rock solid
15:35<Alabaster_W>the motherboard of my lappy just died, and I only have access to a powermac g4
15:35<Alabaster_W>i'm in college and need a computer
15:35<brian17>then install debian
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15:35<Alabaster_W>will there be any problems with programs?
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15:37<jean1>No, it will work just file
15:37<SigurdH>Hi. I had some problems with installing GRUB using Debian Etch, so I've now tried to install etchnhalf instead, but now it won't let me create a raid0 partition -- which worked fine with Etch. What's going on?
15:37<Alabaster_W>thank you all very much
15:38<Alabaster_W>you have saved me from installing osx
15:38<jean1>question: trying to install pureftpd. I found, but apt-get can't find this package? Do i have to edit sources.list?
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15:39<cuciurean>ce mai e nou pe ubuntu?
15:40<stew>cuciurean: try #debian-it on for help with ubuntu in italian
15:40<stew>cuciurean: err, i mean #ubuntu-it not #debian-it
15:40<jean1>thats italian?
15:40<stew>his hostmask is
15:41<stew>cuciurean: english only in here please
15:42<jean1>can anyone answer my question ? I guess its pretty basic
15:42<stew>jean1: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
15:43<jean1>Package files:
15:43<jean1> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
15:43<jean1> release a=now
15:43<jean1> 500 etch/updates/contrib Packages
15:43<jean1> release v=4.0,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib
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15:43<jerome_>hello all
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15:44<jerome_>can i have help? i have a problem to start the openssh-server the error is segmentation error
15:44<jerome_>i try to remove and reinstall it > nothing
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15:44<jackyf>jerome_: try to upgrade it?
15:44<jerome_>a fsck on my filesystem + reintall > the same
15:44<Woet>My server keeps switching to a read-only file system
15:45<Woet>How can I resolve this?
15:45<Woet>I already did fsck a couple of times, it's all clean
15:45<Woet>but if I reboot it switches to read-only again
15:45<jerome_>jackyf, no upgrade for this pakage
15:45<jerome_>i have try
15:45<jackyf>jerome_: distribution?
15:45<jerome_>debian etch
15:46<jean1>apt-cache :
15:46<jerome_>jackyf, in fact i saw this two days ago and it's probably after a upgrade of over pakage but i don't know when and witch one
15:47<jackyf>jerome_: you can check apt logs
15:47<jerome_>impossible to find the same problem on internet
15:47<jackyf>in /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/term.log
15:47<jerome_>so i don't know where to go
15:48<jerome_>ok so i witch my screen and go to the server and see if i find something in this file.... 2 minutes
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15:49<jean1>apt-get can't find pure-ftpd package, apt-cahce policy:
15:51<stew>jean1: you need to add a main debian mirror, all you have is a security mirror which isn't a complete mirror. /msg dpkg sources.list
15:51<stew>jean1: or /msg dpkg mirrors
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15:53<jerome_> ok so i find this file
15:53<jerome_>and i saw this
15:54<stew>jerome_: if you are having openssh-server segfault on etch, i'd suspect hardware problems. I'd suggest running memtest86+ and seeing if it identifies any of your memory as being faulty
15:55<chealer>Woet: does memtest report errors?
15:55<Woet>chealer: let me try
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15:56<jean1>stew, thx, that did the trick. Should the main mirror be there by default? Anyways, it works now, thanks
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15:56<stew>jean1: well yeah, i guess a main mirror should be there by default, but it really depends on how you installed the system
15:57<jerome_>stew well i will try
15:57<jerome_>jackyf, the last pakage i had install is wakeonlan ... so no way
15:58<jackyf>jerome_: I may suggest to try newer package from, if it's there...
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15:59<jerome_>witch version
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15:59<jerome_>because i have etch so i am nopt sure that dependences are ok
15:59<jerome_>with the last one
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16:01<SigurdH>Hi. I had some problems with installing GRUB using Debian Etch, so I've now tried to install etchnhalf instead, but now it won't let me create a raid0 partition -- which worked fine with Etch. Could anyone help me set up a raid0 with the etchnhalf installer?
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16:02<jerome_>so i will try memtest86+ and i will see. I will probably comme back
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16:02<jerome_>thinks all for help
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16:02<jerome_>have a good evening
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16:15<Woet>chealer: how to run a memtest?
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16:16<chealer>Woet: install it from Debian or run it from a live distribution
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16:16<Woet>chealer: I can't install, since it's read-only, and the server is 100 miles away
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16:19<adema>hey, i have a question!
16:19<adema>how do i keep network-manager from loading on boot ?
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16:19<adema>(don't tell to tu uninstall it, i want to keep it don't want him to load at boot)
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16:21<craigevil>adema: use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf , better yet uninstall it :)
16:21<adema>i'll try it thx
16:21<SaintK>Could it be in lenny-rc1 during the setup software raid10 is supported, but they packed an old grub version which does not support raid10 yet?
16:22<azeem>SaintK: for /boot?
16:22<dondelelcaro>SaintK: grub doesn't support raid10; grub2 may.
16:22<dondelelcaro>SaintK: use a small /boot which is raid1 if you want to use grub and raid.
16:23<SaintK>indeed for boot
16:23<SaintK>I am not known with that very much. Can i just create a couple hundred MB partition or so, and install grub on this ?
16:23<SaintK>not really sure how i should approuch it
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16:25<SaintK>or should i just re-do the setup ?
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16:30<dondelelcaro>SaintK: yeah, even 50M would be enough
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16:30<dondelelcaro>SaintK: 100M would be enough that you'd probably never worry about it; the main question is how many kernels you'd stick on the thing
16:31<SaintK>allright cool, going to toy around with it
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16:38<Haji_v_2>how-to configure a canon mp450 scanner/printer?
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16:40<adama>$%^@$^#$ SPAM
16:41<Haji_v_2>hi adama
16:41<adama>Haji_v_2 my friend, can you rid the Internet of spam, please?
16:43<Haji_v_2>i don't get it sorry -.-
16:43<azeem>adama: please keep it on topic
16:43<Haji_v_2>i just want to get my printer well actually scanner to work
16:43<Haji_v_2>(i don't want to say the bad word but...) with ubuntu it works ^^
16:44<adama>sorry, I'll go over to Desktop 8 now and do some work. I know nothing about scanners except "xsane"
16:45<azeem>Haji_v_2: maybe start by saying whether the printer and/or the scanner doesn't work
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16:46<Haji_v_2>nothing works
16:47<Haji_v_2>hi crunchbang_
16:47<crunchbang_>i just installed wine i dont know how to make it work
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16:47<crunchbang_>hi haji
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16:47<Haji_v_2>crunchbang_, man wine :P syntax should be wine program.exe
16:47<crunchbang_>can anyone help me plw
16:48<crunchbang_>so wine don4t has graphical interface
16:48<Haji_v_2>it does.. well the configuration does
16:48<crunchbang_>thank u mr haji
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16:49<crunchbang_>by the way i don4t know anything about linux
16:49<jthomas>If I have a static IP and I am not getting nameservers from my DHCP server, where do I change/add DNS nameservers so that they will survive a reboot? I seem to recall that /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten on a reboot.
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16:49<crunchbang_>so i should use RUN PROGRAM then type WINE exeprogram
16:49<crunchbang_>right ?
16:51<Haji_v_2>well... kinda.. open a terminal and type wine /path/to/your/exe.exe ;)
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16:52<crunchbang_>haji thank u < bro genius
16:52<crunchbang_>i should remember u and ur channel
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16:54<SaintK>Etch'nhalf only supports rain 0,1 and 5, right ?
16:55<SaintK>ah ye :P
16:55<SaintK>or did they slip in raid 10 aswell ?
16:56<ranix>I have used it for 0, 1, and 5 personally
16:56<SigurdH>Hi. I had some problems with installing GRUB using Debian Etch, so I've now tried to install etchnhalf instead, but now it won't let me create a raid0 partition -- which worked fine with Etch. Could anyone help me set up a raid0 with the etchnhalf installer?
16:56<ranix>not sure about anything else
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16:58<treyh0>raid 6 too :)
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17:01<forest> I'm doing a fresh install (Debian) to sw RAID set up for LVM and LILO keeps failing to install. I am trying to install LILO to /dev/md1, which is the 1st RAID device and uses the 1st partion of each of its physical drives.
17:01<forest>The installer worked fine without LVM, I don't know if it's LVM that's the problem, but when I tried to install with LVM, LILO keeps choking.
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17:02<dondelelcaro>forest: don't use lvm for the first boot device
17:02<dondelelcaro>forest: both grub and lilo are fairly limited in the configurations that they can accept; grub2 may support lvm, but I'm not sure
17:02<forest>I had asked someone about that and they said to use LVM all the way down
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17:02<dondelelcaro>forest: easiest thing is to have a separate /boot that's around 150M or so; possibly raid1 if you require it
17:03<dondelelcaro>forest: it's the right suggestion for everything except /boot
17:03<forest>dondelelcaro: I am installing Etch for AMD64 and it doesn't give me a choice of Grub
17:03<dondelelcaro>forest: it doesn't, because grub1 doesn't support lvm
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17:03<dondelelcaro>forest: the installer is smart enough not to install a boot loader that doesn't work
17:03<forest>dondelelcaro: That's EXACTLY what I told the person I was working with, but they insisted everything should be exactly mirrored
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17:04<dondelelcaro>forest: well, now you can go "I told you so". ;-)
17:04<forest>dondelelcaro: I can use LVM for "/" thought?
17:04<dondelelcaro>forest: yes
17:04<forest>well then I will try that, and start warming up my I-told-you-so
17:04<forest>thanks dondelelcaro
17:04<dondelelcaro>forest: you only need /boot so that the initrd and other things can be setup
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17:04<dondelelcaro>forest: I personally suggest using a raid1 across the drives for /boot, but you can do whatever works best; np.
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17:05<kapoios>hey myle
17:05<kapoios>how are u?
17:05<myle>hello kapoios!
17:05<forest>I am raiding everying, with each mount point as its own raid device, with its own volume group and logical volume
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17:05<SigurdH>dondelelcaro, how do you go about setting up a raid like that? Whenever I try, it fails.
17:06<forest>so I will just change the /boot partition to still be raided, but not be LVM
17:06<dondelelcaro>SigurdH: you partition it, then raid it; pretty much the same way you do everything
17:06<dondelelcaro>SigurdH: the only odd part is configuring grub
17:06<SigurdH>I managed to do it with Etch, but then GRUB failed. Trying etchnhalf now, but can't get the partitions to work.
17:07<dondelelcaro>well, it'll work fine with grub if you configure it properly
17:07<dondelelcaro>note that I said raid1, though; that's key.
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17:07<dondelelcaro>(with raid1, it's no different from a normal drive as far as grub is concerned)
17:08<Arnie|>Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows about an IRC channel for the GROMACS software?
17:08<dondelelcaro>Arnie|: I'd check google if no one here knows; if google doesn't, it probably doesn't exist.
17:09<Arnie|>I was afraid so... Google didn't return anything
17:09<Arnie|>Gone are the days that you could find things outside Google :(
17:09<SigurdH>Would you mind going into details with me in a PM, dondelelcaro? Cause it just failed, again.
17:10<dondelelcaro>SigurdH: best to ask here; I'm busy doing other things and will likely disappear
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17:12<SigurdH>Alrighty. The error I keep getting is: when trying to write the partitions and changes to my disks.
17:12<dondelelcaro>SigurdH: well, that usually shouldn't happen, but it means that you'll have to reboot
17:13<dondelelcaro>(it tends to happen if you've got a raid set up, and then delete it, then try to create a different one)
17:13<crunchbang_>IN WINE
17:14<Arnie|>Caps lock is also failing?
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17:18<SaintK>azeem / dondelelcaro: The small partition did the trick, thanks :)
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17:19<SigurdH>I'll give that a try, dondelelcaro -- after I make a new install CD. My current one is all of a sudden corrupt. Oh joy.
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17:23<Stuckey>Which kill signial do I need to send to a program to tell it to close?
17:24<Arnie|>You want to ask it to close or force it to close?
17:24<Stuckey>Arnie|, I want to ask it nicely.
17:24<Arnie|>It doesn't have a Quit option?
17:25<Stuckey>It's an x session... that I'm not loged into.
17:25<Arnie|>I would only know how to kill it :(
17:26<Arnie|>Actually, that's probably what you should do.
17:26<Arnie|>kill without the -9 flag should ask it nicely, kill with the -9 flag should force it
17:27<Arnie|>And I should stop using 'should' so much :o
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17:28<Stuckey>Arnie|, It's the SIGTERM command that I was looking for.
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17:29<Arnie|>SIGTERM is the default signal sent to a process by the kill or killall commands.
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17:29<Arnie|>*It's not a command though.
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17:44<turkjeus>Hi guys, I got a problem. Xserver crash alot on lenny. Is there a way to fix this?
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17:51<nearsight>can anyone tell me, why this partition: "/dev/sda2 /media/disk vfat user,auto 0 0" is not accessible by non-root user after mounting?
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17:53<nearsight>do i have to provide more options, or shall i set it to "noauto"?
17:53<nearsight>or is it because off the vfat fs?
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17:57<panagos>is it only my feeling, or is debian more "fond of" movable type than wordpress? :) judging from how their packages are updated
17:57<amphi>turkjeus: doesn't here - what driver are you using?
17:58<X-Crashed>I was booted off a Knoppix CD this evening doing some work on my machine which I am getting ready to rebuild, and installed Skype to ask a friend a question about it. When I installed it it needed to upgrade glibc and some other things, but just after I started it my X session jammed.
17:58<X-Crashed>I can move the mouse around, and it wakes from the darkened screen if I click a mouse button, but I can't click on anything.
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17:59<X-Crashed>The numlock key makes the light go on and off, but I can't do Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to crash X, or Alt-F1 to get a console
18:00<tyi>hi can someone explain to me why when i try to display a page with cgi it downloads it instead of displaying it?
18:00<X-Crashed>I have sshd and some other services running because installing glibc caused them to do a stop+restart
18:00<tyi>is there something i have to enable in httpd.conf?
18:00<X-Crashed>but I can't login via ssh because I hadn't set a password on the knoppix account yet.
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18:01<X-Crashed>Does anyone have any suggestions of things I could try to get back into it (or to shut down or stop X)
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18:03<nearsight>X-Crashed, changing the terminal with Ctrl+Alt+F6 doesn't work eiter, I guess?
18:03<X-Crashed>Oh, and... I don't want to just reboot it because there are files which I spent a long time working on that I hope I can save.
18:03<X-Crashed>nearsight: nope, none of the virtual consoles are responding
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18:04<XS|AureZ>How do i save the param.h file?
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18:04<XS|AureZ>When im compile the kernel
18:04<nearsight>X-Crashed, sry, looks bad for you, dude :\
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18:05<X-Crashed>I think that the screen blanker may be a red-herring - I just unblanked it pressing a key... I think that the screen blanker is done by the laptop hardware.
18:05<XS|AureZ>How do i save the
18:05<XS|AureZ>[13]+ Stopped vi include/asm-i386/param.h
18:05<XS|AureZ>Loft1869:/usr/src/linux# vi include/asm-i386/param.h
18:05<XS|AureZ># define HZ 1500 /* Internal kernel timer frequency */
18:05<XS|AureZ># define USER_HZ 1500 /* .. some user interfaces are in "ticks" */
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18:05<XS|AureZ>How do i save the param.h ?
18:06<X-Crashed>XS|AureZ: are you asking how to save a file from within vi?
18:06<X-Crashed>you can do it with <Esc>:w
18:06<X-Crashed>or <Esc>:x
18:06<X-Crashed>(careful not to do X - that encrypts the file)
18:06<X-Crashed>or you can just do <Esc>ZZ
18:06<XS|AureZ>Damn lol
18:07<XS|AureZ>Thats stopped the file
18:07<X-Crashed><Esc>:wq is the same as <Esc>:x
18:07<XS|AureZ>I did :x and it stopped it :S
18:07<X-Crashed>exited from the editor you mean?
18:07<X-Crashed>but it wrote it to disk (saved it) when it exited
18:08<X-Crashed>you can do the command again to get back into it.
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18:08<X-Crashed>if you just want to write the file out to a different file you can use <Esc>:w NEW_FILE_NAME
18:08<XS|AureZ>When i prezz esc nothing happends
18:09<X-Crashed>something does happen, you just can't see it
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18:09<X-Crashed>it changes the mode in vi
18:09<X-Crashed>vi has two modes, command mode (which is the default) and text entry mode.
18:09<nearsight>one quick question... why are you using vi for this?
18:09<X-Crashed>the <Esc> makes sure you are in command mode.
18:09<X-Crashed>nearsight: are you against vi?
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18:10<nearsight>no, just asking... I don't use editors like vi or emacs at all...
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18:10<nearsight>don't see the point, tho
18:10<X-Crashed>nearsight: what do you use? nano?
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18:10<nearsight>for terminal editors nano, yes
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18:11<nearsight>lot easier to handle, but probably i just miss the point in using vi or emacs
18:11<X-Crashed>nearsight: I am a programmer for work, and have been using Linux for about 15 years, lots of the time I have to work on other platforms like Solaris, HP-UX, or stripped down systems.
18:12<X-Crashed>If you learn to use vi you are guaranteed to have access to an editor you can use on 99.99% of systems you ever work on.
18:12<nearsight>aha, i see
18:12<X-Crashed>When I started on Linux I found jed, it had pretty colours and was easy to use
18:12<treyh0>i couldn't live without vi
18:13<X-Crashed>my friend who had recommended me to try Linux in the first place (who used to be a Unix analyst for work) told me that I should teach myself vi instead.
18:13<X-Crashed>I tried it but found it confusing like XS|AureZ is at the moment
18:13<X-Crashed>Conrad told me to make myself use it for one week just to try
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18:13<X-Crashed>after that one week I never went back to anything else
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18:14<X-Crashed>It's so powerful and becomes so natural that after a few years you're happy to do everything with your eyes closed if you can touch type!
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18:14<forestmars>dondelelcaro: thanks for the tip, I ended up having to take both /boot and / out of LVM to get Grub to install
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18:16<XS|AureZ>Does it take a time to install?
18:16<X-Crashed>nearsight: I use vim where I can, but I make a point of using normal vi (like nvi or other non-enhanced versions) from time to time so I don't get lazy.
18:16<X-Crashed>XS|AureZ: vi?
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18:17<XS|AureZ>No to install the new kernel?
18:17<X-Crashed>XS|AureZ: ah :)
18:17<XS|AureZ>Its executing alot of things :P
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18:17<X-Crashed>that depends very much on your CPU and RAM and what options you've chosen
18:18<XS|AureZ>I have a 2x AMD 2x quadcore and 16 gb ram
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18:18<XS|AureZ>But im using 32bit so i only have 3.3gb thats so sad :(
18:18<X-Crashed>I remember when I first built kernels (which were much smaller then) you used to spend 10 or 15 minutes going through and hoping you were choosing the right drivers, then you kicked off the make and could forget about doing anything else for about 45 minutes!
18:19<X-Crashed>that was on a 486 dx4 100
18:19<XS|AureZ>I didnt configuere that much
18:19<XS|AureZ>I just sat it to save
18:19<X-Crashed>I'm sure yours will build very much faster :)
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18:19<nearsight>does it use more than 1 cpu?
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18:19<XS|AureZ>It will automatic search for the network cards right?
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18:19<XS|AureZ>Or than i will have a problem lol
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18:20<X-Crashed>XS|AureZ: Do you use grub or LILO?
18:20<XS|AureZ>Dont know lol
18:21<XS|AureZ>Im using a guide
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18:21<nearsight>do you have /boot/grubß
18:21<XS|AureZ>I havnt done this before
18:21<X-Crashed>when you boot up does it give you a menu screen before the kernel boots?
18:21<XS|AureZ>I dont know anything
18:21<XS|AureZ>Yea i make config?
18:21<X-Crashed>you probably have grub
18:21<XS|AureZ>I can edit the processors and stuff
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18:21<XS|AureZ>But i didnt edit anything because than i just fuck it up
18:22<XS|AureZ>How do i get so i can use 16 memory in 32bit
18:22<nearsight>no, thats probably the bios you're talking about
18:22<nearsight>you can't
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18:22<X-Crashed>depending on the version of debian... the newer releases should rebuild the menu list for you when you install the kernel.
18:22<enouf>XS|AureZ: /msg dpkg bigmem
18:22<XS|AureZ>Doesnt work the command
18:23<enouf>or use the 64bit -amd64 linux-image-version
18:23<X-Crashed>It's been a long time since I've built a kernel - I normally just use the updates from Debian... I don't know what the deal is for building them these days.
18:23<XS|AureZ>For optisming them for gaming
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18:23<enouf>!+tell XS|AureZ -about bigmem
18:23<dpkg>told XS|AureZ about bigmem.
18:24<X-Crashed>XS|AureZ: that's what you are recompiling for?
18:24<X-Crashed>by "don't know what the deal is" I meant "I don't know what proceedure you use"
18:24<aetheria_>why do they still gzip documentation? like saving 3-4k actually makes a difference in 2008
18:24<XS|AureZ>The bot its not giving me a link to a guide
18:25<aetheria_>vs. the massive PITA is presents
18:25<XS|AureZ>Its this right?
18:25<X-Crashed>in the old days there was a README file and a shell script that you ran that prompted you with questions, these days I expect there's either a thing with dialogs or boxes to click right?
18:25<XS|AureZ>Its this right?
18:25<XS|AureZ>CC [M] fs/xfs/xfs_dir2.o
18:25<XS|AureZ>CC [M] fs/xfs/xfs_dir2_block.o
18:25<XS|AureZ>CC [M] fs/xfs/xfs_dir2_data.o
18:25<XS|AureZ>CC [M] fs/xfs/xfs_dir2_leaf.o
18:25<XS|AureZ>CC [M] fs/xfs/xfs_dir2_node.o
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18:25<enouf>aetheria_: how massive?
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18:25<valdyn>aetheria_: why is it a pita?
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18:25<X-Crashed>XS|AureZ: don't paste in the channel please
18:25<aetheria_>what if i want to browse it with my browser, for example
18:26<llimeht>aetheria_: it's been discussed a few times recently, but most readers can transparently show you a gzipped ps file for example
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18:26<nearsight>XS|AureZ: use
18:26<XS|AureZ>How can i see whats hz its running now?
18:26<X-Crashed>like it says - join #flood and paste there, or use the paster bot, or you can use a pastebox website and paste the link here
18:26<enouf>aetheria_: many browsers will open .gz files easily
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18:26<XS|AureZ>How can i see whats hz its running now?
18:27<valdyn>XS|AureZ: NO_HZ is default in debian iirc
18:27<aetheria_>enouf: but i think you have to set it to always open that filetype (.gz), which would be wrong for some files (f.e. a tar.gz you want to download)
18:27<X-Crashed>XS|AureZ: if you type dmesg you will get a log of the messages the kernel has put out - if you go through it carefully you will find stuff about the hardware in there.
18:27<enouf>valdyn: no, that's dynamic tick , not HZ timer freq
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18:27<enouf>well, not no - but if that's what he meant .. who knows
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18:28<XS|AureZ>Config hz/../.. uname -r
18:28<XS|AureZ>Or something
18:28<llimeht>XS|AureZ: same way you did the other day...
18:28<enouf>easily explained in the Kconfig* files
18:28<XS|AureZ>Cant remeber
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18:29<enouf>aetheria_: that doesn't happen here when i use links2 (for browsing files/dirs)
18:29<X-Crashed>If nobody can think of anything I'm going to head off and look on Google to see if I can find any exploits that may work on my machine to get back in :-)
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18:29<enouf>aetheria_: using gnome? kde? they have File Association dialogs, like MS has
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18:31<X-Crashed>later all
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18:32<aetheria_>enouf: yes, but if you associate all .gz with the browser, then what if you are downloading a .tar.gz? you don't want it to try to open that also
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18:33<XS|AureZ>Is there a easier way to change the hz than recompile?
18:33<XS|AureZ>Its there a file to ediot in?
18:34<aetheria_>anyone with an embedded system trying to conserve space probably isn't going to have /usr/share/doc anyhow
18:34<llimeht>XS|AureZ: there is no way of changing it other than recompiling. But none of us yet understand why you are worried about this.
18:34<aetheria_>or let them deal with the issue of compressing it all
18:34<XS|AureZ>Because i need an 1000hz kernel to run it?
18:34<XS|AureZ>Gameservers cant run on 250hz
18:34<enouf>aetheria_: i said my browser deosn't do that
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18:35<aetheria_>guess i can use links as a dedicated documentation viewer then
18:36<aetheria_>enouf: is that the graphical version or the text one?
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18:38<enouf>aetheria_: both
18:38<dpkg>somebody said links2 was a text and graphics browser with https and javascript., or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings>
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18:43<mike_>hai guys !
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18:44<XS|AureZ>When you recompile does it auto detect hardware?
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18:56<XS|AureZ>Lol damn it didnt work
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19:09<SigurdH>Is there anyone that could guide me through the partitioning of my harddrives, so I don't keep getting error messages, and can finally get Debian installed? I've been at this for days.
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19:13<maxb>SigurdH: partitioning schemes can range from very simple to very complex. You'll need to describe what you're trying to achieve and what errors you've run into
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19:14<NickMind-XP_BOX>For APT, what do you use? GUI? CLI? if so, what command or app do you use the most?
19:14<NickMind-XP_BOX>For APT, what do you use? GUI? CLI? if so, what command or app do you use the most?
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19:15<maxb>For APT, I use APT. :-)
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19:15<SigurdH>I've got 2x500GB harddrives. I was thinking of making 4 raid0 partitions; 200MB /boot, 2GB swap, 40GB /, and the rest for /home. I keep getting an error when I try to write the partitions, that says:
19:15<llimeht>maxb: apt is a library. Feel free to use that directly if you know how.
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19:16<llimeht>NickMind-XP_BOX: aptitude is the recommended tool. /msg dpkg why aptitude
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19:17<maxb>apt is a package. The library is called libapt-pkg
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19:17<NickMind-XP_BOX>does anyone like any gui base apt apps?
19:17<acu_rodna>I need to access an external 1.5 TB hd formated with NTFS - NTFS-3G can do that - I can I add to etch - the backports ? - what changes I need to do in repository
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19:18<avu>NickMind-XP_BOX, both synaptic and adept seem to have some fans
19:18<acu_rodna>Nick: synaptic package manager is all you ever need
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19:18<maxb>SigurdH: Are you really sure you want raid0? Sounds unnecessarily dangerous to me
19:19<NickMind-XP_BOX>but it seem people perfer aptitude over any gui? OR may i off base
19:19<dpkg>i guess adept is a package manager for Debian that is designed to fit nicely into KDE environments. It is sufficiently buggy that it is not even in sid; take that as a warning. See Its use under etch is not recommended either; just use aptitude instead or if you really need a GUI, synaptic. Ask me about <aptitude> <synaptic>.
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19:19<llimeht>oh! adept has made it back into sid. well done :S
19:20<maxb>SigurdH: Also, you appear to be attempting to partition an md device. You can't do that. Either you make 8 partitions and bond them into 4 md devices, or you create and md*p* device and partition that
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19:21<SigurdH>maxb, at this point I'm not sure about anything, I'd just like to get Debian installed.
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19:21<maxb>Are you aware that raid0 offers less data security than no raid at all?
19:21<SigurdH>maxb, here's the guide I've trying:
19:21<llimeht>NickMind-XP_BOX: aptitude has a lot more power for unbreaking a broken system, a more sophisticated search pattern syntax and a better resolver than the other frontends to apt.
19:21<maxb>W. T. F.
19:22<maxb>Take that guide with a LARGE pinch of salt.
19:22<maxb>You do _not_ put swap on an md device
19:22<dpkg>A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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19:23<maxb>Or, well, maybe, just maybe, you put swap on raid1. But you definitely don't put it on raid0
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19:23<SigurdH>It's the best guide I've found when searching for how to set up a raid during the partition.
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19:25<maxb>Ok, so I think your essential problem is exactly what dpkg just said. You're trying to follow a series of steps without understanding why you're doing them
19:27<SigurdH>I went through aswell, without getting anywhere.
19:28<maxb>Some bits of that guide look quite good, but the screen-by-screen stepping though the d-i partitioner is faintly ridiculous
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19:30<maxb>RAID1 is very very simple. Every partition needs a partner, and data is mirrored between them so it doesn't matter if one fails
19:31<maxb>So: set up your partitions with the sizes you want, being the same on both disks
19:31<maxb>set each partition's use to "physical volume for RAID"
19:32<maxb>then go on to the raid setup, and create an md device for each pair, specifying the fs and mountpoint for each md device
19:32<maxb>job done
19:33<maxb>Unless you need the machine to actually keep running though a disk failure, rather than simply crashing, but being able to reboot, there's no need to RAID your swap
19:33<maxb>in which case you simply create two physical swap partitions
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19:35<SigurdH>OK. I'll try that as soon as I manage to remove my old MDs.
19:35<acu_rodna>I have etch and want to access an 1.5 TB HD - I added backports - and NTFS-3 G requires fuse 2.6 which is not available
19:35<acu_rodna>should I upgrade to lenny ?
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19:39<Woet>is there a command to get the current network (incoming and outgoing) ?
19:39<maxb>acu_rodna: I don't think anyone can give you a firm answer to that, it depends very much on your comfort level with Linux in general and Debian in particular
19:41<llimeht>acu_rodna: fuse 2.7 is on too
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19:47<SigurdH>OK, maxb. I tried it -- getting the same error message as before.
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19:49<damiano>hello everybody
19:50<damiano>how to install url rewrite apache module ? i'm using debian etch
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19:53<llimeht>damiano: a2enmod rewrite (if you're using apache2)
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19:55<damiano>yes apache2
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20:33<treyh0>man i wish the bluez in debian wasn't so out of date, might be able to get my headset working for more than 5 minutes
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20:34<johns>treyh0: it's not really that out of date, bluez just keeps changing, and sadly I'm not sure you're going to have better luck with newer versions
20:34<johns>it's very difficult to find accurate docs on how to do things right now, because of all the changes
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20:35<treyh0>ah bummer
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20:35<johns>it does promise to be nicer though
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20:48<acu_rodna>guys - I need NTFS-3G and I run etch - I enabled the repo for backports- however ntfs-3g needs lib6 some version etc - It seem that I have to upgrade to lenny - should I change the repositories from etch to lenny and take out the backports ?
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20:59<nearsight>acu_rodna: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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21:00<abrotman>it's not needed, the ntfs-3g is lying
21:01<treyh0>johns: you are right, i tried the headset on a fedora 10 live CD, while I was able to pair it via the gnome applet, after about 30 seconds of it seeming to work, the screen got corrupted and the computer froze. son of a :(
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21:03<abrotman>maybe the laser burnt a whole in the CD ?
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21:14<aetheria_>there appears to be a severe file transfer bug in linux
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21:15<aetheria_>i use konqueror to copy a folder to an external drive. 170 MB folder. it gets to about 100MB then the rate slows to almost nothing.
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21:17<aetheria_>earlier, i had to copy ~130 GB of video from one external drive to another. the entire operation took over 24 hours to complete.
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21:17<abrotman>aetheria_: maybe you should try it without konq before you blame linux
21:18<aetheria_>abrotman: yes, with or without konq
21:18<aetheria_>the other operation was that slow with either cp or rsync
21:19<aetheria_>on different machines even
21:19<abrotman>tried copying to another internal drive?
21:19<aetheria_>it was between 2 different 750GB external drives
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21:19<aetheria_>(on a laptop)
21:19<abrotman>internal ...
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21:21<aetheria_>i think there's some severe issue with linux wrt. external drives. it seems like if there is no activity on the drive for several hours, the drive is no longer accessible. all sorts of errors spit out in syslog, and the drive must be unmounted, physically detached and reattached and remounted to work again.
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21:21<aetheria_>this does not happen with the drives under other OSes
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21:25<abrotman>aetheria_: i backup my stuff to an external drive often enough .. doesnt' seem to take that long and it's 9GB or so
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21:25<aetheria_>abrotman: the issue is happening with only one of the drives, which is a different chipset than the other one. it could be just that one driver.
21:26<abrotman>so narrow it down
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21:27<aetheria_>abrotman: now that i've freed space on one of them, i can try some test file transfer operations to pin it down
21:27<abrotman>aetheria_: you can try to test by transferring data from the internal drive
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22:46<ctux>how do i install nvidia driver on lenny?
22:46<ctux>!ctell nvidia
22:47<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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23:10<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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