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00:13<ansong>i'm trying to install nfs-kernel-server on an up to date lenny system but aptitude is telling me there's no candidate version found. p.d.o. seems like it should be included though. what am i missing?
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00:16<chealer>ansong: which architecture do you use?
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00:18<ansong>chealer: 686
00:19<chealer>ansong: so Debian i386?
00:19<ansong>yes. kernel version 2.6.26-1-686
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00:23<ansong>now see, that's odd. i just downloaded the package from p.d.o. but on both my desktop and my brand new laptop reinstall both say it's unavailable. both sources.list are using
00:24<chealer>ansong: what does $ apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy nfs-kernel-server; output?
00:27<ansong>output at above address
00:29<chealer>ansong: what does /etc/apt/preferences contain?
00:30<ansong>chealer: doesn't exist
00:32<chealer>ansong: what does /etc/apt/apt.conf contain?
00:32<ansong>chealer: doesn't exist
00:33<ansong>i've got a dir named /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
00:33<chealer>ansong: what do the files in that contain?
00:34<ansong>ls /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ returns: 00trustcdrom 01autoremove 70debconf
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00:35<chealer>ansong: wait a minute...what does sources.list contain?
00:35<ansong>i'll put it on pastebin, just a sec
00:37<ansong> the unstable and shame repos were from a long ago tryout of beryl
00:38<ansong>neither of which have been active for over a year
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00:39<chealer>ansong: does updating packages indices help (apt-get update)?
00:40<ansong>no, i tried that first and then tried it on my laptop which i reinstalled (lenny, weekly iso build) just a couple of days ago
00:41<chealer>ansong: what does # apt-get update; apt-cache policy; output?
00:42<ansong>lol it helps if i don't include the '#' when i paste..
00:45<ansong>the hash sum mismatch is new
00:46<chealer>ansong: that's your problem
00:46<ansong>jeez, i completely forgot to try aptitude clean; aptitude update
00:46<ansong>it works now
00:48<ansong>it worked on my laptop too. was it just a corrupted package list?
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00:53<chealer>ansong: no, it must have been a temporary mirror inconsistency
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00:54<ansong>chealer: sorry for the bother and thanks for the help
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00:58<chealer>ansong: if I didn't want to be interrupted in my studies^W^W^W^Wbothered, I wouldn't lurk here. it's a pleasure
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01:01<ansong>well it's midnight, but nfs is finally working. thanks again chealer
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01:59<pandamedic>hello, is anyone familiar with the config file for 'mplayer'?
01:59<pandamedic>i need to set up my audio device and by default it is looking for "/dev/dsp"
02:00<Supaplex>apropos mplayer perhaps?
02:00<pandamedic>i need to know what to set in the config file for mplayer to look for the correct dev file
02:00<jm_>ao is the setting
02:01<jm_>a bit unusual to use OSS in 2009
02:01<pandamedic>its an old thinclient
02:01<Supaplex>a bit unusual to be on sarge, but a few still are. :p
02:02<pandamedic>just a little media PC to play some steaming music atop of my switch while sleeping at night
02:02<pandamedic>ah :o
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02:02<pandamedic>it works :)
02:02<pandamedic>sarge that is.
02:04<pandamedic>hrm....odd... set ao to = /dev/snd, how I get "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound."
02:04<pandamedic>any thoughts?
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02:06<jm_>no, look in the man page or use `mplayer -ao help' to find valid values
02:06<pandamedic>will try
02:07<pandamedic>ooo wonderful. thanks guys. 'ao=alsa' worked. :D
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02:10<Supaplex>pandamedic: np. that'll be $220USD
02:10<Supaplex>;) heh heh heh
02:10<pandamedic>paypal address? ;)
02:11<pandamedic>i will have $220.5USD of unverified money sent asap.. muahah
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02:22<zer0divide>anyone have any experience with davenport?
02:23<zer0divide>(smb over webdav implementation)
02:24<Supaplex>no. I threw the old couch out with grandma.
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03:26<doNotMount-pee>does this server support non supportive language?
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03:28<jm_>what do you mean?
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03:28<doNotMount-pee>I was kicked out of ubuntu b/c I called someone a douche
03:29<doNotMount-pee>i thought it was pretty appropriate
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03:30<metalqga>!ubuntu :P
03:30<dpkg>:P: please take your ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian and #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced ubuntu users.
03:31<Supaplex>as long as you don't call the ops a fucktard, you're pretty okay. :)
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03:32<doNotMount-pee>cool ... I'm a fairly advance user of linux ... i don't even run debian .. mostly redhat - centos ... was just trying to figure out why my g/f's sound card won't work
03:33<sep>Supaplex, must resist.... must resist urge!!
03:33<doNotMount-pee>wtf is supaplex?
03:33<dpkg>somebody said supaplex was a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has somewhere around 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see
03:34<jm_>boulderdash clone isn't it?
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03:35<doNotMount-pee>Supaplex, did you create this?
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03:38<doNotMount-pee>id like to say douche, douche and douche to all from ubuntu that are listening except the people who I find non doucheish - which could possibly be you
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04:01<jim_p>hello people
04:02<jim_p>did fglrx 8.12 reach sid today (not exactly today, but one of these days)? if so, why is the experimantal branch still on 8.10? and... shall i upgrade to it?
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04:04<jm_>judd versions fglrx-driver
04:04<judd>jm_: fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4 etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-7-3 sid/non-free: 1:8-12-4
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04:06<jim_p>jm_, hmmm... what does this mean?
04:06<jim_p>i know it means i am wrong but... have a look at these
04:07<jm_>jim_p: these are the versions in debian
04:07<jim_p>jm_, give me a sec to find the packages webpages
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04:08<jim_p> and i know its not the same thing with the one you say, but i am curious
04:10<jim_p>plus, testing got the same version as sid.
04:10<jim_p>they are both in 8.12
04:10<jm_>jim_p: yes, it shows the same info as judd
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04:11<jm_>(experimental version looks to be older)
04:12<jim_p>judd's info says testing is on 8.7
04:13<jim_p>i really dont care about the version as much as i care on "is it safe to upgrade?". so far 8.7 cant even do metacity composite effects and crashes X
04:14<jm_>ohh you mentioned si
04:14<jm_>sid even
04:14<jm_>10:02 <jim_p> did fglrx 8.12 reach sid today (not exactly today, but one of these days)?
04:14<jim_p>well, maybe experimental is prepared for the upcoming 9.1 version
04:15<jim_p>yea i said so
04:15<jim_p>sorry if i made a mistake
04:15<jim_p>english is not my native language
04:15<jim_p>to the point
04:15<jim_p>some days ago
04:15<jm_>forget about experimental branch, it's not updated at this point
04:16<jim_p>experimental was on 8.12 and sid and testing on 8.7
04:16<jim_p>oh ok
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04:16<jm_>it was explicitely unblocked to enter testing yes
04:16<jim_p>i am trying to follow the "route" of the package goes
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04:17<jim_p>so i can upgrade without concerns?
04:17<jm_>I have no idea, you could always downgrade by hand
04:17<jim_p>let me pastebin the error, sec
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04:18<jim_p>damn those greek characters. let me translate
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04:19<jm_>you can always run it ala `LANG=C LC_ALL=C command' for pasting purposes
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04:21<jim_p>tell me if i miss something in translations
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04:21<jim_p>i switched to a server in belgium to get the update done with no errors, but that german server is my main one
04:22<jm_>well there's either a problem with that mirror, your connection or something more evil going on
04:22<jim_p>well let me sync with it now
04:22<jim_p>the german mirror i mean
04:23<jim_p>no errors now
04:23<jim_p>but i get the prompt to update fglrx
04:23<jim_p>so we are back to the start
04:23<jim_p>so be it, i upgrade
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04:24<jim_p>the worst thing i can lose is secondlife and my real life girl complaining i am not in there
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04:25<jim_p>restarting x, please dont go
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04:26<jim_p>ok done
04:26<jim_p>since nothing exploded, i am happy
04:26<jim_p>i will build the module later on
04:26<jim_p>thanks guys
04:30<nearsight>is it possible / advisable to use some unstable repos in lenny?
04:30<nearsight>looking for a package only avail. in etch and sid, w/o compiling it from source
04:30<jm_>nearsight: which package?
04:30<jim_p>nearsight, possible yes, like apt-get install -t sid thispackage
04:31<nearsight>it's PyBliographer
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04:31<jm_>!why is pybliographer not in testing
04:31<dpkg>pybliographer is not in testing for the reasons listed in
04:31<nearsight>jim_p: what about the later update, with apt?
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04:32<jim_p>nearsight, what update? mine? it did update correctly now. i switched on my bros laptop that is on testing to have a look
04:33<nearsight>I mean, when i install it with the -t option, does this pkg receive updates later via apt-get upgrade?
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04:33<jim_p>tada... new vbox 2.1.2 closed source
04:34<jim_p>nearsight, i installed audacious in testing once like so, and i think it did update correctly when it moved one version up
04:34<petern>does it fix audio latency...
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04:34<jm_>nearsight: only if the version that apt can find is newer than what you have
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04:36<jim_p>petern, dunno, here is the changelog
04:36<jim_p>can i install a package from experimental on testing?
04:37<jim_p>pokerth is the package,
04:37<jm_>heh guru meditation, looks like authors used amiga
04:37<jim_p>its for my bro that wants to play with his windows using friend and it needs the latest version
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04:40<nearsight>jm_: the reason for pybliographer not in the lenny repos doesn't make much sense for me... probably i missunderstand something there
04:40<nearsight>I'll try the sid repos, tho... thanks
04:40<jm_>nearsight: lenny is frozen so packages no longer enter it automatically
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04:42<nearsight>thought that is true for etch as well? or is it because lennys listed release?
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04:43<jm_>yes, but the package obviously had RC bugs which were/are not fixed so it's not in testing
04:44<nearsight>i see
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04:49<nearsight>jm_: i assume there is no -t - like option for apt-cache search?
04:50<jm_>nearsight: don't think so, it will list all availbable versions, aptitude has more advanced searching capabilitie
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04:53<jm_>nearsight: --no-all-versions lists only default one
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05:00<alien__234>Hi I would like to downgrade my iceweasel to 2.0 any suggestions on where to look for the package ...?
05:01<jm_>alien__234: stable, or get it from mozilla
05:01<jim_p>alien__234, put a stable repo in sources.list and apt-get install -t stable iceweasel
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05:02<jim_p>where do i place a script so as to be executable by all users? i also chmod +x it. is there anything else i must do?
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05:02<jm_>jim_p: /usr/local/bin will do
05:02<jim_p>jm_, ok give me a sec, ssh-ing
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05:07<jim_p>jm_, i get access denied :( when i execute is as normal user
05:07<cmot>jim_p, ls -l of the file?
05:08<jim_p>jm_, what rights do i append to it
05:08<cmot>jim_p, chmod 0755
05:08<jm_>jim_p: that must be coming from a command you're trying to execute in the script
05:08<jim_p>the script is zenity and wget based
05:08<jim_p>give me a sec
05:08<jm_>use sh -x /usr/local/bin/bla
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05:09<jim_p>-rwxr-x--x 1 root staff 2972 2009-01-22 12:05 proTV
05:09<jm_>also make sure /usr/local/bin is accessible by users
05:09<grubless>Oddity this morning -- I get a GRUB upgrade offered (lenny1->lenny2) but when I ran "aptitude full-upgrade" it didn't offer me anything till I ran "aptitude update" again. Hmm - I did get an error about md5sum issues on the UK mirror. Did the UK mirror go backwards in time I wonder.......
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05:09<jim_p>proTV is the name of the script
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05:09<cmot>jim_p, needs rwxr-xr-x
05:09<cmot>you're missing global read permission.
05:09<jim_p>sec phonecall
05:09<jm_>ahh you're missing +r, good spot
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05:10<cmot>grubless, try again tomorrow. I think there's some issue with some of the mirrors right now.
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05:11<cmot>(topic in #debian-devel)
05:11<jim_p>so i chmod 0755 like cmot said?
05:12<cmot>jim_p, please do. what you have right now is 0751
05:12<cmot>jim_p, but to execute a script you need also to be able to read it, that's what 0755 means.
05:13<jim_p>yey it worked . thanks a lot cmot
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05:18<jim_p>bye people, ahve a nice day
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05:19<grubless>cmot: urm -- it will upgrade now -- just needed the extra "update".
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05:21<Thomas>anyone could tell me a url too a good howto to get debian installed on a bootable USB flash device with KDE and presistant changes
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05:23<jm_>try debian live
05:24*enouf concurs
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06:30<TMcTrain>hi there
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06:34<TMcTrain>I have Debian 2.6.18-6-486 i686 GNU/Linux installed on a small celeron PC, I made the mistake of saveing some money by useing a standard noisy CPU-Fan. The PC hasn't that much work to do and is often in idle mode but the CPU-Fan is running all the time.
06:36<TMcTrain>Is there a way to handle the FAN-Speed by software under linux? or is this only a bios thing?
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06:39<enouf>TMcTrain: a) install a -686 and b) try lmsensors pkg
06:39<jm_>or buy $3 fan controller
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06:41<metalqga>bigger fan with lower rpm
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06:47<TMcTrain>Normally I have the function of a fan running in the speed it is needed
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06:49<TMcTrain>with linux i'm not that experient in this matter
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06:55<metalqga>sorry, pwm
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06:55<metalqga>. /usr/sbin/pwmconfig
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06:59<memento>hello , how big is a debian server minimal install on the harddisk ?
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07:00<TMcTrain>i have pwconf and pwunconv but no pwmconfig even with installed lm_sensor package
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07:02<metalqga>the kernel detects broken bios defaults for my motherboard, so my pwm is disabled, haven't tested it so I can't help you.... you know what to look for, use your detective skills! :P
07:05<TMcTrain>bevor I shrink myself and walk around the MB I wanted to know if this is even possible with linux to get the FAN run in an percentile speed!
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07:15<metalqga>This program will search your sensors for pulse width modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it controls a fan on your motherboard. Note that many motherboards do not have pwm circuitry installed, even if your sensor chip supports pwm.
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07:16<dpkg>i2c, or the Inter IC bus, is a method of communicating between ICs typically found on modern motherboards via a serial bus. Invented by phillips, this bus is typically used for temperature sensors and the ilk, although it has other uses as well. See for more information, or the i2c-source and derived packages in Debian. described at
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07:25<TMcTrain>The Bios give me a fan speed of 3770RPM and a cpu temperature of 45°C so I think running at 75% speed should do it to! And no I don't want to make it fix with inserting an resistor or an pwm in between! :-)
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07:26<steev>Hi guys - I've just got an error trying to install sun-java6-jdk
07:26<steev>It says nothing matches this name?
07:27<steev>But it was working up till yesterday?
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07:31<TMcTrain>thanks dpkg, I'm informed about the I2C and its protocol and chips. I have a working lm_sensor pakage installed, even added an aditional I2C-bus over LPT but I'm missing the pwmconfig program/script on my system!
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07:35<enouf>TMcTrain: uname -a
07:36<TMcTrain>Debian 2.6.18-6-486 i686 GNU/Linux
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07:36<enouf>better and more i2c support was added to newer kernels
07:37<TMcTrain>yes, but they don't work with my LPT Port any more
07:38<enouf>you're using a variant of debian, not debian then
07:39*enouf has no CPU HSFs
07:39*enouf uses passive-cooling only
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07:41<TMcTrain>I have a fix hardware connected to the LPT using only 2 wires and 2 I/Os newer lm-sensor pakages doesn't implement the 2 IO i2c_pport in a way to work with my hardware!
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07:50*enouf likes jm_ 's 3$ alternative
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07:53<enouf>you want #debian-it ?
07:57<TMcTrain>I'm using Debian etch R4.1 only with the delivered kernel!
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08:00<metalqga>hey, enouf, next time redirect the chicks to pm me! :P
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08:17<TMcTrain>so I got more information
08:17<smash>where to get dpkg(bot)'s database again? the wiki link doesnt point to it - I once had the link tho - but even intensive usage of google didnt help :S
08:18<gsimmons>!your factoids
08:18<dpkg>Pick my brains at or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
08:18<smash>ah thank you :)
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08:24<TMcTrain>my fan speed and temperatures are acessable over a Winbond W83627EHF/EHG Super IO Sensors
08:24<jm_>that's pretty standard chip
08:25<jm_>83627HF here
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08:28<TMcTrain> /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
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08:29<TMcTrain>is the Winbond Chip only for viewing actual data or is it possible to change the fan speed? :-)
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08:36<simonrvn>i believe such chips are just for monitoring, but i may be full of it.
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08:39<DerKater>hello everyone!
08:39<DerKater>I'm looking for some help on a bash script...
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08:41<DerKater>I'm writing the following script :
08:41<DerKater>FILESIZE=$(stat -c%s "$FILENAME")
08:41<jm_>!tell DerKater -about paste
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08:44<DerKater>Ok thank you jm_ I read the rules and posted on debian
08:44<DerKater>url would be
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08:46<jm_>go on, but it looks like [$FILESIZE is wrong
08:47<DerKater>yes i get the error "1: command not found
08:47<DerKater>there's something I didn't understand
08:47<DerKater>I just want to do if ( filesize <= 1 )
08:47<DerKater>what exactly is wrong with this line?
08:48<jm_>if [ "$FILESIZE" -lt 1 ]
08:48<DerKater>Ok I'll try this, but what is the difference? I thought the quotes were to specify a string?
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08:50<jm_>no the difference is in whitespace between [ and first parameter for the test
08:50<jm_>puting variable references in quotes is just a good practice
08:50<DerKater>ooooh so it's all about the space!
08:51<DerKater>i got it working now
08:51<jm_>did you read ABS?
08:51<DerKater>but why is the space so important?
08:51<DerKater>I read many tutorials on bash on the web
08:51<jm_>because that's what the syntax is
08:51<DerKater>but I'm not sure about ABS
08:52<DerKater>what is ABS? a manual of some sort? If so do you have an URL I could refer to?
08:52<dpkg>[abs] a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on,
08:53<DerKater>ok got it
08:54<DerKater>It seems quite advanced indeed :) I'm going to have fun reading this
08:54<DerKater>Thank you so much jm_, I had been working on this script for some time now and would have lost my head
08:55<DerKater>have a nice day!
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09:13<TMcTrain>thanks for the help
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09:17<TMcTrain>I got aditional information from an datasheet that the winbond do have build in PWMs but with the driver from debian etch ( 2.6.18 ) its not acessable yet!
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09:18<TMcTrain>I found a document based on kernel 2.6.26 and there is described how to get the settings for temperature/fan control with the driver. :-/
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09:28<freex>hi all
09:29<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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09:57<Solver>hi all. I was just logged in to a remove box over eth2 and I dropped interface eth1.. each of the two interfaces is connected to a seperate dsl circuit
09:57<Solver>the dsl on eth1 was down
09:58<Solver>when I did ifdown eth1 both eth1 & eth2 went to fetch new IPs
09:58<Solver>it seems that ifplugd must be behind this
09:58<Solver>surely that is insame behavour for ifplugd and constitutes a bug
09:59<Solver>this is a fully patched etch btw
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10:03<syncoder>всем приветос
10:03<syncoder>нужна помощь по emerald-У
10:03<syncoder>кто подскажет
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10:04<syncoder>установил емералд закидываю в него темку а он нехочет ее применять
10:04<syncoder>как был стандартный декоратор так и остается
10:04<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:04<syncoder>раньше такого небыло непойму что происходит
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10:05<southafrikanse>hello. I'm planning to do a screencast with my desktop. Does anyone recommend a cool application to do that?
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10:06<southafrikanse>In Windows there is camtasia but for debian/ubuntu I don't know whats the best
10:06<metalqga>again compiz...
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10:07<metalqga>ops sauthafrikanse that was not for you
10:07<aqua>hi everyone, i configured a static ip for my pc, yet i want dns info to come from my router
10:07<aqua>from my dhcp server in my router
10:07<aqua>how do i acheive that?
10:08<metalqga>the dns info is not changed, why use dhcp?
10:08<Txt-file>southafrikanse: recordMyDesktop is one option
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10:10<aqua>ok checked still here :)
10:10<Solver>aqua: :)
10:10<aqua>metalqga: ammmmmm, don't know seems right
10:11<aqua>metalqga: well how do i configure it static as well? manually edit the resolv.conf?
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10:11<Solver>aqua: dhclient lets you set the individual parameters that you get from the dhcp server but I think it assumes the IP will be sent
10:11<aqua>metalqga: they say it will be run over by the resolvconf script etc.
10:11<Solver>aqua: so what about a dhcp reservation for the IP
10:12<aqua>Solver: my very not smart router is not inteligent enough
10:12<southafrikanse>Txt-file, thanks
10:12<Solver>aqua: ah :)
10:12<aqua>or should that be :(
10:12<southafrikanse>I'll give it a try
10:12<Solver>aqua: even really dumb routers normally allow for reservations
10:12<aqua>well how do i set it with dhcpclient?
10:12<metalqga>aqua, I set my MAC to a fixed ip sent by the router's dhcp
10:12<aqua>Solver: i know, mine is special :)
10:13<Solver>aqua: look in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf - you can see a bunch of options
10:13<aqua>or atlist neither me nor my support found the option (getting a new normal one tomorrow hurray!!!!)
10:13<aqua>Solver: thanks
10:13<Solver>metalqga: yeah that's a dhcp reservation
10:13<aqua>metalqga: yes that is what Solver and i discussed now,
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10:13<aqua>my router is not giving me the option
10:13<Solver>aqua: the ifup/ifdown scripts call dhclient by default in my experience
10:14<aqua>Solver: i will temper with the dhclient a bit and see what gives
10:14<metalqga>sorry for the inaccurate terminology, I'm not skill in network building is elementary
10:14<Solver>metalqga: np ;)
10:14<metalqga>my skill*
10:14<aqua>metalqga: it's OK not a wizz either
10:15<Solver>aqua: so the nameservers come from the ISP?
10:15<Solver>normally they won't change
10:16<aqua>well if your router is set as dhcp server, it will set his clients to the isp dns servers yes
10:16<aqua>yep they don't change
10:17<Solver>so entering them statically would probably be low risk
10:17<aqua>i see here (dhclient.conf) that it's set to request everything from dhcp
10:17<Solver>by default yes
10:17<aqua>but i set it as static ip
10:17<Solver>you can prune it back (keep a backup of the original)
10:17<Solver>so it did that ok?
10:17<Solver>I wasn't sure it would
10:18<aqua>Solver: yeh, but it didn't get me a dns address
10:18<aqua>how do i statically set the dns ?
10:18<aqua>in the resolvconf?
10:18<aqua>or using some utility?
10:18<Solver>aqua: you have it set to fetch domain-name-servers?
10:18<Solver>you can just enter the values in /etc/resolv.conf
10:19<Solver>if you tell dhclient not to fetch dns info then it should leave it alone
10:19<aqua>Solver: it's set to fetch everything :)
10:19<aqua>one of the things is the name servers
10:19<aqua>OH OK
10:19<Solver>aqua: make a backup copy and then edit :)
10:19<Solver>drop and bring up the interface to cause it to update
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10:20<aqua>Solver: sure things
10:20<aqua>sure thing
10:20<Solver>so dhcp should leave resolv.conf alone once you have it configured properly
10:21<Solver>and infact if you don't need any dhcp info you can set the interface up statically
10:21<Solver>in /etc/network/interfaces
10:22<Solver>here is an example from one of my firewalls:
10:22<aqua>Solver: it is set up statically, only no nameserver info is configured there cause it's done via resolv.conf
10:22<Solver>hmm pastebin
10:22<Solver>ah ok
10:22<aqua>give the paste please
10:22<Solver>you have it set statically in /etc/network/interfaces - cool
10:22<aqua>i shell have a look
10:22<Solver>yeah then just set your nameservers /etc/resolv.conf
10:22<Solver>elm:/etc/dhcp3#cat /etc/resolv.conf
10:23<aqua>Solver: dude it's working
10:23<Solver>niiice ;)
10:23<aqua>i gave it the nameserver ip in resolv.conf, and a stupid enthuseism by me but it's working
10:24<aqua>(it's supposed to work so what's the fuss :) )
10:24<aqua>still i am exited
10:24<aqua>i am still newb
10:24<Solver>exactly - i'd be horrified it if hadn't worked ;)
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10:25<hev>Hello I've got a boot partition on my usb stick. Can I hide it, that it's not automatically mounted if I plug it into a PC ?
10:26<hev>An other partition is the data partition this should be auto mounted but not the boot partition...
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10:27<aqua>Solver: ooooooooops
10:28<aqua>checked in the wrong place it doesn't work
10:28<aqua>let me fix a few things be right back
10:29<Solver>how is it failing?
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10:29<Solver>make sure the nameservers are right
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10:34<aqua>Solver: please tell me, how do i change from using dhcp to static and vice versa?
10:35<aqua>mainly from static to dhcp
10:36<Solver>aqua: this is done in /etc/network/interfaces
10:36<Solver>I'll do a pastebin
10:37<aqua>Solver: shouldn't i work from the ifconfig? for this kind of configurations?
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10:38<Solver>aqua: you can manually set the values using ifconfig but there are better ways...
10:38<Solver>aqua: /etc/network/interfaces is read by the ifup and ifdown scripts
10:38<Solver>aqua: technially the ifconfig cool is deprecated and has been replaced by a different tool but it is still in common use
10:39<aqua>Solver: but ifconfig should update the interfaces file, doesn't it?
10:39<Solver>aqua: no it doesn't
10:39<aqua>BTW i wanted the other way around, lets go back to dhcp
10:39<Solver>aqua: all it will do is set the in memory network settings
10:39<Solver>aqua: ah ok....
10:39<aqua>Solver: good to know
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10:40<Solver>aqua: here is a dhcp example:
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10:43<aqua>Solver: great dhcp works
10:44<Solver>excellent :)
10:44<aqua>so now i wanna edit my static stuff
10:44<Solver>keep a backup :)
10:44<aqua>like in your example
10:44<aqua>Solver: of course :)
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10:44<Solver>excellent :)
10:44<aqua>give me a sec
10:44<Solver>np. good luck :)
10:45<Lenhix>Hi ppl. I had a problem with my disks and I'm running fsck and I'm being asked this: Inode 6570099 has illegal block(s). Clear<y>?
10:45<Lenhix>What should I do?
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10:48<Solver>fsck is trying to bring the FS in a consistent state
10:48<Solver>if you clear the blocks there might be data loss but if you don't the FS may be in an inconsistent state
10:49<Solver>In cases like that I have said yes in general. but you may need to fetch data from backups
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10:49<aqua>Solver: now it's safe to say hurrayyyyyyyyy
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10:49<Solver>aqua: woohoo :)
10:49<Lenhix>tsk tsk... ok, thx solver
10:49<aqua>thank you so much you are a very good man
10:49<Solver>Lenhix: np. see how I carefully avoided telling you which way to go :)
10:50<Solver>Lenhix: there is no simple solution but the default seems sensible
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10:50<aqua>BTW read something nice lately, probably everyone hear know it but for those who don't
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10:50<aqua>linux is very user friendly only it chooses carefully how is friends are :)
10:50<aqua>can't be more true
10:51<Solver>Lenhix: you may wish to look at lost+found on the FS too
10:51<Solver>aqua: indeed. that's an oldie :) predates linux :)
10:51<Solver>previously said about Unix :)
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10:54<Aschti666>hi i need help about my debian root-server
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10:55<Solver>aqua: hey there is a typo...
10:56<Solver>aqua: see in
10:56<Solver>aqua: the first line reads auth eth1 - that should be auto eth1
10:56<Solver>auto makes the interface come up on boot
10:56<Solver>if it is missing the interface needs to be brough up manually (unless you use ifplugd)
10:56<Aschti666>I have a root server with a particular game-server and teamspeakserver and he is equipped laggt although the utilization is very low
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10:57<Solver>aqua: make sure you fix that
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10:58<Solver>aqua: This applies to static entries in /etc/network/interfaces too
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11:00<aqua>Solver: sorry wasnt here sec
11:00<Solver>np - did you catch that?
11:01<aqua>Solver: i used eth0 instead
11:01<aqua>y is it important that it's eth1?
11:01<Solver>aqua: yep np. you need an "auto" line in /etc/network/interfaces or some other way to bring the network up automastically
11:01<Solver>aqua: use whatever the interface name is
11:01<aqua>Solver: ofcourse , i have the auth0
11:02<aqua>Solver: though does it metter if it's after or before the configuration itself
11:02<Solver>I normally put it before
11:02<aqua>"use whatever the interface name is"-> i can set what ever name i want can't i?
11:03<Solver>check this out for reference
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11:03<Solver>aqua: the key is the line should read auto not auth - that was a typo in my file
11:03<aqua>Solver: ohhhhhhhh that is what you ment
11:03<aqua>OK yeh i noticed that
11:04<Solver>aqua: oh good
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11:04<Solver>aqua: otherwise it wouldn't come up on boot
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11:04<Solver>aqua: as for interface name. use the one the system recognises in ifconfig
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11:06<aqua>Solver: OK. BTW it's interesting but now my resolv.conf is configured to use dhcp
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11:06<aqua>meaning no name server is defined there
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11:06<aqua>yet it works fine though in interfaces it sais i use static address
11:06<Solver>aqua: hmm :)
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11:07<aqua>so how it works is: what ever i fill my self is static and what i skip it takes from dhcp?
11:07<aqua>for instance the name servers?
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11:07<Solver>aqua: the nameservers should be set in there
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11:08<aqua>what do you mean by in there?
11:08<Solver>the nameservers should be listed in /etc/resolv.conf
11:08<aqua>but they are not and it's working
11:08<Solver>that I can't explain :)
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11:09<aqua>well that is something i would like to understand
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11:09<Solver>aqua: so you ended up using static right?
11:09<Solver>aqua: if so, enter the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
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11:09<aqua>see, in Windows(i dont even like talking about it) you can set static ip but nameservers will be obtained via dhcp
11:10<aqua>maybe it's the same here?!
11:10<Solver>but dhclient still writes the nameservers in to /etc/resolv.conf
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11:10<aqua>Solver: they are not written there
11:10<Solver>aqua: it certainly acts this way for me on etch
11:10<aqua>let my check again
11:10<aqua>i am on lenny
11:11<wincent>hi, I use startx to start xface4, I want to run xmodmap automatically when after X is launched. How to do it?
11:11<aqua>not that it should make a differenct i think
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11:11<Solver>i'd still prefer to have values in there incase whatever it is that is working stops working
11:11<Solver>anyway your call :)
11:11<aqua>Solver: well there is one name server there but it's my router, meaning my dhcp server
11:12<Solver>oh right
11:12<aqua>though i use a static ip address, probably it's only getting the dns's from the dhcp
11:12<Solver>a lot of those routers act as a dns proxy
11:12<Solver>as long as something is there
11:13<ranix>aqua: XFCE4 can autostart its own programs
11:13<ranix>aqua: or you could use your .xinit
11:13<ranix>or .xinitrc
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11:13<ranix>in the XFCE menus, the options are under settings->autostarted applications
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11:14<wincent>I want to run xmodmap -e "keysym Menu = Down"
11:14<aqua>Solver: what do you mean it acts as dhcp proxy?
11:14<Solver>aqua: they accept dns requests and forward them out to the isp
11:14<aqua>that it acts as my dns, but actually uses the isp's one?
11:14<aqua>yeh sure
11:14<Solver>aqua: I've seen quite a few models that did that
11:15<Solver>aqua: exactly. just saves having to NAT the dns queries all the time
11:15<aqua>yeh it's kind of standard i think
11:15<ranix>oj, aqua I'm sorry my sentences were meant for wincent
11:15<aqua>yep, it's good to use that feature :)
11:16<Solver>aqua: indeed :)
11:16<wincent>Thanks, ranix.
11:16<ranix>np wincent
11:16<wincent>I will try.
11:16<aqua>so thanks Solver you helped me a lot
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11:17<aqua>Solver: so thanks Solver you helped me a lot
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11:18<Solver>aqua: np :)
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11:19<Lenhix>I have labels on my partitions. How can I see which label has each partition?
11:19<stew>Lenhix: ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/
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11:22<Lenhix>Thx. Although, I hoped there was an easier way, like some param for df
11:23<Lenhix>or fdisk, or something
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11:24<Solver>man df
11:24*Solver shakes head :)
11:24<Solver>yeah I was wondering if there was a param for df which did that
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11:43<servidor>una ayudita por favor
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11:44<servidor>speak spanish
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11:45<dpalacio>servidor: /join #debian-es
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11:46<servidor>ok, taks
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12:35<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
12:35<lancelot_of>which is the debian package (if any) containing snap fonts?
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13:27<parodyoflanguage>Hello everyone. I'm new to debian and I have a simple question. I installed the package debian-reference using aptitude, but now I can't find where I installed it on my system. All of the debian directories under /usr/share/doc/ are empty except for a copyright notice.
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13:30<cahoot>parodyoflanguage: no /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/index.en.html ?
13:31<bcochofel>Hi, what's the name of the minimal X so I can have X11 on my box?
13:32<Lenhix>x-window-system-core I guess
13:32<Lenhix>At least I use that when I use a netinst CD
13:33<Lenhix>And then kdebase, kdelibs and kdm to get smallest kde
13:33<LL00>with minimal X, you can run xterm?
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13:33<parodyoflanguage>cahoot: nope
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13:33<LL00>it's empty desktop?
13:34<LL00>with 1 xterm opened
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13:34<parodyoflanguage>xorg works too
13:34<parodyoflanguage>xterm has to be installed separately though
13:34<valdyn>parodyoflanguage: dpkg -L <packagename>
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13:35<fxiny>look under debian-reference-common or debian-reference-your_language
13:35<parodyoflanguage>valdyn: gah, it says it's not installed :(
13:36<chealer>Lenhix: that package is deprecated. you want kde-core.
13:36<parodyoflanguage>I thought I installed it
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13:36<chealer>bcochofel: xserver-xorg-core
13:36<Lenhix>I'll change that on my minimalistic debian package list
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13:38<LostPlanet>parody: in aptitude after selecting the package you must press g (and possibly become root and press g again) to install
13:38<Lenhix>Would I get a functional KDE Using xserver-xorg-core instead of x-window-system-core?
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13:40<craigevil>has a very minimal kde, using kdelibs4c2a, my install on my eee with lxde and kde is right at 1.1gb
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13:42<chealer>Lenhix: if you have the right complementary packages, yes
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13:42<chealer>Lenhix: (as long as X is functional)
13:43<Lenhix>complementary packages like display drivers and input drivers?
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13:46<chealer>Lenhix: right
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13:56<bremner>any hints for trouble shooting an (analog) microphone in alsa? Is there an equivalent of speaker-test?
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13:59<cvalero> ddsvsv
14:00<fxiny>enouf: !!
14:00<enouf>fxiny: !!
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14:01<Jpdota>unbelievable. even with debian-amd64 my laptop doesn't support 4GB. gotta love false advertising
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14:01<metalqga>jpdota your laptop hasnt got 4gb then
14:01<Jpdota>metalqga: oh it does, i just installed it myself
14:02<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit.
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14:02<Jpdota>yeah, but it's nothing to do with the kernel i have installed
14:02<Jpdota>i have a 64-bit kernel
14:02<Jpdota>it's the BIOS or chipset
14:02<metalqga>look for bios updates
14:03<Jpdota>already did :(
14:03<Jpdota>i'm at the latest version
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14:03<metalqga>and write an angry letter to the firm who sold ya this
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14:03<Jpdota>i'm going to ;)
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14:04<Jpdota>oh well. very disappointed. i was looking forward to my 4GB of RAM
14:05<petern>what is it? we need to avoid it :p
14:05<Jpdota>it's a Dell Latitude D620
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14:06<Jpdota>it's a bit outdated
14:06<metalqga>well 4gb in a laptop?
14:06<Jpdota>but i just upgraded the RAM today
14:06<Jpdota>yes, i use VM's for developemnt
14:06<metalqga>what are you going to do on it?
14:06<metalqga>oh ok
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14:06<Jpdota>the only documentation on it either a) claims it's the OS's fault (obviously not) or b) is from 2005
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14:07<Jpdota>and from intel claiming it will "be fixed in later versions"
14:07<Jpdota>apparently not.
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14:08<Jpdota>i wonder if i could re-write the BIOS myself :X
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14:11<ranix>Jpdota: I've thought of that several times
14:11<ranix>Jpdota: specifically with ASUS boards
14:11<ranix>I am never buying another ASUS motherboard
14:11<Jpdota>ranix: do you know if it's possible? or do you need some sort of special environment?
14:11<ranix>Advantech is also on my shit list
14:11<ranix>Jpdota: how friendly are you with assembly
14:11<Jpdota>ranix: i've always favored Abit and MSI
14:12<Jpdota>ranix: not very, but i'm going to be learning about it soon anyways haha
14:12<ranix>It's basically an unreasonable task because you'd have to dump the ROM and disassemble it
14:12<ranix>and you'd lose all readability
14:12<Jpdota>ranix: ew =(
14:12<ranix>imagine all variables being named 'zz' and 'zq'
14:13<ranix>you'd keep string constants, so there would be some readability
14:13<ranix>not much though
14:13<metalqga>and bricking the laptop after that
14:13<Jpdota>well i can't imagine it's a large program though
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14:13<Jpdota>that's what i'd be more worried about is bricking the computer
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14:13<Jpdota>and the time wasted doing so
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14:16<azeem>cvalero: this is an english-only channel
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14:22<daMull>what is better suited for a small size network with debian or fedora clients and a debian fileserver as centralized authentication provider: ldap or nis + ldap ?
14:23<daMull>ldap is already running as backend for samba
14:23<daMull>we wan't to use nfs for our debian clients
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14:56<dpkg><TCossuto> is p2p still active? Does debian support p2p?
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14:59<noflash>please...those get pretty old for people who camp in here ;)
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14:59<noflash>if you want to play with the bo try #debian-bots
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15:00<turkjeus>Hi guys, is there a way to know on how many X a cd was burn?
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15:10<Lenhix>I don't think so, turkjeus ... but perhaps there's some hidden sector in the CD with that info
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15:17<Lenhix>What is the most basic/minimalistic package I can install for X server?
15:17<adama>xserver-xorg I believe... what are you trying to do/get?
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15:17<Lenhix>A minimalistic install of debian+kde
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15:18<newsense>Lenhix, can install xserver-xorg-video-<yourvidcard>
15:18<newsense>i install kdebase and xserver-xorg-video-intel personally and its minimal
15:19<newsense>eliminates all the drivers for video cards i dont have and kdebase is as minimal as kde can get
15:19<newsense>no problem
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15:25<Stuckey>My X-Server just reset... I was sitting here and then it went back to the login screen... Does anyone know what might cause that?
15:25<craigevil>doesnt have kde-base, i installed kdelibs4c2a and the kde apps i needed, my install on my eee with lxde and the kde apps i need is only 1.1gb
15:26<petern>Stuckey, you could check the log files
15:27<Stuckey>petern, how?
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15:32<Stuckey>petern: the xorg log doesn't have an errors.
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15:35<omg_onoez>hi, i am kinda newbish and probably my next question already has been discussed
15:35<omg_onoez>i'm running debian lenny
15:35<omg_onoez>(if it makes sense)
15:36<omg_onoez>and i wonder
15:36<omg_onoez>what should i do to make pidgin 2.4.3 to work fine
15:36<Txt-file>omg_onoez: upgrade to a newer version of pidgin
15:36<Txt-file>2.5.3 in experimental works very fine
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15:37<omg_onoez>Txt-file, should i build it from sources or there .deb ?
15:37<omg_onoez>(sorry for my english btw)
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15:38<Txt-file>download it from and then install it (its a deb)
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15:41<bozz>i'd like to run a virtual terminal as a "dockapp"..but i cant find any? dunno if that's understandable. I just want it to be above my wallpaper without anything in the taskbar
15:42<bozz>kinda lock on the wallpaper actually
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15:59<Dabz>oh sory, chanel mistake
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16:06<jsaacmk>I added blacklist pcspkr to my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and the PC speaker still beeps and I cannot rmmod it. Is there something else I need to turn off?
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16:10<Lenhix>I had to install x-window-system-core to get KDE working :(
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16:10<Lenhix>Anyway, all the system used just 780MB
16:13<omg_onoez>Txt-file, so i removed my old pidgin with synaptic, added experimental branch to sources.list, installed pidgin 2.5.3
16:13<omg_onoez>problem is not solved
16:13<omg_onoez>i did something wrong?
16:14<Knorrie>how do I link to a bug report #123456 in
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16:17<magyar_>hi, can i set /etc directory to be 750 it is 755 by default?
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16:24<Txt-file>omg_onoez: some error-message?
16:25<omg_onoez>i guess everything is fine
16:25<omg_onoez>but i
16:25<omg_onoez>still get
16:25<omg_onoez>The version you are using is not supported by ICQ. Download a free authorized ICQ version from ICQ's official website.
16:25<Txt-file>are you sure that 2.5.3 is installed??
16:26<omg_onoez>no doubt )
16:27<omg_onoez>just for sure)
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16:28<Knorrie>ah i found
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17:17<bay_zephyr>anyone home?
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17:23<Txt-file>bay_zephyr: what do you need?
17:24<bay_zephyr>so, I have a question about today's "update"
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17:25<bay_zephyr>when checking updates, it only found two - the shadow package components login & passwd
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17:25<bay_zephyr>I thought this was kind of suspicious
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17:26<bay_zephyr>so I went to the package page, and saw that it had recently been submitted, but there is no diff, no changelog, and looking at the debian-changes mailing list, it isn't listed as being accepted
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17:27<bay_zephyr>seems like a pretty critical package for distribution without supporting documentation
17:27<bay_zephyr>any thoughts?
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17:29<dpkg>methinks apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and the debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It's well worth it for stable users to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes and it should be made mandatory for users of testing/sid. Also ask me about <d-d-a>.
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17:31<themill>bay_zephyr: apt-listchanges is handy to find out what is about to happen. Also consider subscribing to d-s-a (/msg dpkg d-s-a).
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17:32<XAVIER>Can someone help me im new how can i install irssi on my vps
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17:33<XAVIER>or even better a simple irc client
17:33<bay_zephyr>thanks - I did subscribe to the list before coming here. I'm looking into apt-listchanges now
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17:34<valdyn>bay_zephyr: its there on the mailing list
17:34<Txt-file>XAVIER: why do you want to have an irc-client on your VPS??
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17:39<bay_zephyr>themill - thanks for the pointer to the right list, and valdyn - thanks - I did find it!
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17:46<XAVIER>Txt-file: y not
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17:46<XAVIER>anyways i got it working
17:46<XAVIER>question is...
17:47<Txt-file>XAVIER: I can't see any use
17:47<XAVIER>Txt-file: you are psychotic then :)
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17:48<XAVIER>Txt-file: you have a psychosis of some kind
17:48<themill>Check your Terms of Service to see if ircing is allowed from your VPS. Many providers explicitly forbid it.
17:48<XAVIER>themill: it is i have full root
17:49<Hydroxide>XAVIER: that doesn't matter. some give you full root while still making it a violation to use irc or run an irc server
17:49<themill>XAVIER: Having root access has nothing to do with what you are allowed to do on their network.
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18:03<bay_zephyr>dpkg: what about d - d - a?
18:03<dpkg>bay_zephyr: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
18:03<blast_hardcheese>Does anyone know how to get KDirStat to stay on one partition?
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18:03<blast_hardcheese>It goes and maps all of my NFS mounts and everything, I don't care about that
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18:06<Txt-file>!tell bay_zephyr about d-d-a
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18:06<pmitros>I have a USB HID device that acts as a "USB HID v1.10 Keyboard." It is not a keyboard but just has one button on it that I would like to be able to perform an action on. Any clues as to where to look top get it working?
18:07<bay_zephyr>lol - thanks txt-file - I was just figuring out the bot msg command - been a long time since I was on IRC.
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18:13<pmitros>or what /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0b.0/usb2/2-3/2-3:1.0/input/input10 means?
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18:21<blast_hardcheese>pmitros: The second thing is the character device for your thing
18:22<blast_hardcheese>run xev and push the button on your super mini-keyboard
18:22<blast_hardcheese>notice the output
18:22<blast_hardcheese>Figure out how to bind that to something on your computer
18:22<blast_hardcheese>it's usually different for each DE
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18:23<pmitros>I'll try that. Thanks
18:24<pmitros>No events go through show up in xev.
18:24<pmitros>I'm trying this now:
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18:32<fgh>"Obsolete and Locally Created Packages (1087)" Can I remove them? Are they unneeded? If so, how?
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18:35<Aleric>What kernel module do I need to get /dev/dps ?
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18:35<themill>dpkg: tell fgh about obsolete
18:36<gsimmons>!literal devdsp
18:36<dpkg>"devdsp" is "if you are using <ALSA> and you get an error about /dev/dsp missing, you need to provide the OSS compatibility layer. Run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules"
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18:37<themill>fgh: that's a lot of packages in that category though.
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18:37<chealer>fgh: you can remove them, but they may be useful. you can remove them with your favorite package manager.
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18:39<fgh>Ah, i understand now. But, is there a way to list unused packages. And remove them. Im pretty sure theres a lot of packages in that category that i want to save..
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18:40<mgoetze>fgh: how do you expect the package manager to guess whether you are using a package or not?
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18:41<themill>fgh: no-one except you can know whether they are truly unused or not. "aptitude remove ~o" will remove them all.
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18:43<fgh>mgoetze: I wasnt. I thought maybe apt could figure out if some packages were obsolete and replaced by others. Not figure out if I still want to use irssi or not. :)
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18:43<chealer>fgh: popcon-largest-unused
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18:44<themill>fgh: if there is already a replacement that apt knows about, then it would have been installed and the old package removed as part of the dist-upgrade that installed the replacement.
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19:01<asteroid>hello, i'm trying to configure nfs to work through iptables
19:02<asteroid>it says to add a command to /etc/modprobe.d
19:02<asteroid>how can i load this command?
19:03<Aleric>command are not loaded, programs are
19:03<dmoerner>as root, just echo "options lockd nlm_udpport=32768 nlm_tcpport=32768" >> /etc/modprobe.d/options.local
19:03<dmoerner>to follow the example given in the guide
19:04<dmoerner>although be aware that the guide is marked as for sarge so i'm not sure if it still applies
19:05<asteroid>sorry i went back to c64 there ;)
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19:12<towynlin>What are some possible reasons that I might get the following error when using aptitude:
19:12<towynlin>Error installing new /etc/inetd.conf: Operation not permitted
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19:12<towynlin>trying sudo aptitude purge sendmail-base
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19:51<sysop>ne1 have a good howto for a2dp headphones in debian?
19:51<bay_zephyr>tx again, hombres
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20:07<blast_hardcheese>Hey again,
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20:07<blast_hardcheese>I've got a tablet with only an RS232C port
20:09<blast_hardcheese>I'm trying to find an RS232C->RS232 converter or something; I found the pinouts, but the port is small enough that I am worried I may be unable to correctly build a breakout
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20:26<adama>in vim, how to delete the rest of a file?
20:26<adama>the current line on down to the end
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20:27<dmoerner>adama: ^^
20:28<adama>Excellent! Makes sense now
20:28<adama>dPgDn wasn't working :(
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20:57<wurmboy>hi, i'm having a problem seeing an ntfs drive in debian 4 can anyone help me
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21:36<philsf>I'd like some suggestions on what to use for backing up a live system to a removable HD
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21:36<philsf>what are people using?
21:40<blast_hardcheese>philsf: some people are using rsync
21:41<blast_hardcheese>other people are using other things
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21:43<philsf>blast_hardcheese: I eliminated rsync because I'd like the backups to be encrypted (afraid of HD theft). I'm currently using dar manually, and am in the process of making a personalized script for automation of differential encrypted backups with dar, but maybe there are similar stuff already done out there
21:44<blast_hardcheese>philsf: That was not part of the initial criteria
21:45<philsf>blast_hardcheese: lol, right
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21:56<enouf>philsf: considered encrypted dvd backups, for maybe offsite storage?
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21:59<philsf>enouf: too much data for dvds, each full backup is estimated to some 60-80GB - very tedious to exchange dvds weekly
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22:00<enouf>sure .. just another layer is all it'd be
22:02<enouf> interesting nonetheless
22:03<philsf>I was thinking if I encrypted through gpg, I could automate the backup without entering a password into config files, comments?
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22:21<lowlux>.when the hell is pidgin gnna support video and voice?
22:21<yhlfh>i think you'd better ask pidgin developer.
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22:30<kop>philsf: I used openssl, not gpg. Why not encrypt the fs on the hd?
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22:56<simonrvn>openssl is not gpg. wtf.
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23:27<aetheria>odd, if i less a .gz text file as root, it doesn't decode it. but as normal user it does.
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23:30<dmoerner>aetheria: that's because the normal user's .bashrc has some lesspipe magic uncommented
23:30<dmoerner>copy it over to your root .bashrc and you are set
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23:32<linuxman410>how do u update system in terminal
23:33<aetheria>linuxman410: man apt-get
23:33<linuxman410>apt-get what
23:33<aetheria>i also like dselectt
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23:33<craigevil>aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade
23:33<aetheria>linuxman410: read the apt-get man page
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23:51<jscinoz>I'm trying to set up a transparent caching squid proxy, but i cant get it to work. It works if i explicitly set the proxy in the browser, but i cant get it to work transparently, i assume i have made a mistake in my iptables, is this correct: ?
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23:54<jscinoz>hai pablo
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23:54<engywuck>!dpkg etchnhalf
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23:54<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
23:55<engywuck>upgrade to etchnhalf or wait for Lenny....
23:56<pablo>alguien habla español??
23:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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