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01:10<markking>is it normal for lh to build for 4 hrs? iv a 1.4mbps broadband, amd athlon64 3800, 2gb ram
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01:10<markking>i tried building gnone-junior
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01:13<RIVE>Hi, good evening.q
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01:41<sachin>Can somebody help me with figuring out how to find which file was made by a user who is already deleted.
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01:47<craigevil>anyone know why using actually install xbuntu and not debian?
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01:49<chealer>craigevil: what do you mean by xbuntu?
01:49<craigevil>i mean i downloaded that iso installed it in virtualbox on my debian sid system and its xbuntu Kernel 2.6.27-7-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Ubuntu 8.10 intrepid
01:50<craigevil>not debian
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01:57*dutchy-POS takes the blame for that xubuntu/debian issue, seems I used the wrong CD
01:57<dutchy-POS>should have labeled the sucker
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02:47<aamederen>hi everyone
02:47<aamederen>how can i get qt4-assistant?
02:48<aamederen>installed libqt4-assistant
02:48<aamederen>but cant reach qt4-assistant from qt4-designer help
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03:39<lsdhfsofd0>yeah. how to mount a hdd i don't know the location of?
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03:43<metalqga>how do you meet a friend you dont know where to meet?
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03:46<markking>fdisk -l
03:46<markking>dat'l giv u a list of the attached drives
03:46<metalqga>get him stoned! :P
03:47<metalqga>hi stoned
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03:58<mib_2i8q8mcq>Hi Guys, I am looking for some guidance on 'make-jdpkg'. I am running ETCH 4.0r6 and I need to install 'make-jdpkg'. When I run 'apt-get install make-jdpkg' I get --> couldn't find the package. Any help would be much appreciated
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04:01<jackyf>mib_2i8q8mcq: make sure that such package exists
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04:04<mib_2i8q8mcq>I installed 'fakeroot' and I thought that it would come with it. The package name is 'make-jpkg'. I need to install Java on my machine and I am following this how to ''
04:05<jackyf>mib_2i8q8mcq: you should use apt-file for determining which package you need
04:05<jackyf>$ apt-file search make-jpkg
04:05<jackyf>java-package: /usr/bin/make-jpkg
04:05<jackyf>java-package: /usr/share/man/man1/make-jpkg.1.gz
04:05<jackyf>so, you need java-package
04:06<gsimmons>mib_2i8q8mcq: The package you are after is in the very first line of the "Quick Guide" on that page.
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04:07<dpkg>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of noflash)
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04:14<gsimmons>mib_2i8q8mcq: Non-free Java packages (sun-java5-*, sun-java6-*) are also available for Etch independently of make-jpkg. /msg dpkg install java
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04:15<markking>jackyf; i tried apt-file search gyachi or k3b but returned nothing
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04:15<jackyf>markking: had you run 'apt-file update' before?
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04:16<markking>im interested in installing gyachi
04:16<markking>yes i did
04:16<markking>i just did
04:17<markking>to test if its working i did: apt-file source k3b becoz iv successfully installed it but it still returned nothing
04:18<markking>before dat i apt-get install apt-file
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04:19<jackyf>markking: my 'apt-file search k3b' returns many of lines
04:19<jackyf>apt-file doesn't need source k3b
04:19<markking>ic. so what d u suggest i do now
04:19<jackyf>it uses different indexes
04:20<jackyf>if you had already run 'apt-file update', 'apt-file search k3b' should return your a lot of entries. Try again.
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04:32<markking>jackyf: its working now. thanks for the big help
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04:32<markking>yeah i know im stupid...hehe
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04:37<markking>it still wont give out the dependecies for gyachi though. :(
04:38<markking>thanks again and bye
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06:01<spande>what is the recommended way to view youtube video in Debian?
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06:01<spande>I am trying out adobe, but it crashes my browser
06:01<jackyf>spande: youtude-dl?
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06:02<jackyf>if it's working in etch
06:02<spande>the only extra I have in the browser is noscript
06:03<spande>apt-cache search youtube-dl shows nothingl
06:03<wickd>Hi, I cannot get the Doom3 icon to work on my KDE4. I can start doom3 from the console, and I can start a whole suite of other games. But not doom3.. What do I do wrong?!
06:03<jackyf>try to install youtube-dl package from lennythen
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06:04<spande>plus suggest you can no longer consider your system an etch anymore if you pick up the adobe non-free
06:05<metalqga>jackyf he wants to view, not download flv
06:05<jackyf>metalqga: mplayer can view flv
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06:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
06:06<metalqga>so you may try gnash or swfdec
06:07<spande>either view or dl is ok, but I want to keep it simple so etch stays etch.
06:07<spande>the gnash plugin works with youtube? ....trying....
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06:10<spande>gnash plugin has broken dependencies in etch for me. argh.
06:11<spande> gnash-common: Depends: base-files (>= 4.0.1~) but 4 is to be installed
06:11<spande>maybe because I have a backported 2.6.26-bpo.1-486 kernel?
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06:16<spande>looks like a bug in gnash for etch:
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06:17<spande>otoh, swf is installing...
06:17<Tuss>Hello. I am thinking about building my own kernel package from the "vanilla" 2.6.28 sources and try ext4 on one of my lenny machines. I just wonder before starting if this is a very bad idea (read: if there's a high possibiliy of this new kernel being unusable or very buggy).
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06:22<spande>uh. the swf-player, it does nothing.
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06:23<spande>conclusion: flash in etch is b0rked
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06:31<aamederen>hi everyone
06:32<aamederen>how can i install qt4-assistant
06:32<aamederen>libqt4-assistant installed but there is no qt4 assistant
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06:37<dpkg>somebody said apt-file was a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
06:38<spande>aamederen : and if you cannot find it with that, then you probably do not have a debian system
06:39<aamederen>ok i will try this but im sure that i have a debian system (:
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06:41<metalqga>spande your conclusion is wrong
06:42<metalqga>I've used the both gnash and adobe's plugins
06:42<spande>metalqga : do you have no script?
06:42<spande>metalqga : running on etch?
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06:49<spande> keeps crashing my firefox
06:51<spande>works fine on u*tu
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06:53<metalqga>try debian's iceweasel
06:54<spande>I mean iceweasel for firefox.
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06:56<spande>metalqga : you running etch; and running iceweasel with noscript; and can you watch the vid at ok?
06:58<spande>choose an answer: nnn nny nyn nyy ynn yny yyn yyy
06:58<metalqga>used to run etch with iceweasel and opera and watch utube with adobe's plugin
06:58<metalqga>now I'm with lenny
06:59<spande>with noscript?
06:59<metalqga>spande NoScript - JavaScript/Java/Flash blocker for a safer Firefox ...
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07:00<metalqga>how do you imagine watching utube with flash blocker
07:00<metalqga>and javascript.... utube relies on both
07:00<spande>metalqga : it is configurable. so you allow youtube flash and js.
07:00<metalqga>just turn it off
07:00<metalqga>then say etch has a problem
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07:03<spande>metalqga : I will remove noscript entirely from system.
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07:07<spande>nope. still crashes firefox with an illegal instruction.
07:08<spande>metalqga: I conclude your conclusion to my conclusion is wrong.
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07:20<foxes>ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dsnoop.c:558:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave
07:20<foxes>when i am running skype on my debian
07:20<foxes>what's wrong with it?
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07:22<wekt>What are best options for compressed read-write filesystems?
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07:23<jvictor>Hi people, where would be the best place to ask help for implementing a mirror of debian project?
07:24<spande>foxes : something else grabbing audio that skype wants to hog?
07:24<foxes>spande, maybe, i dont know which one.
07:25<spande>foxes : lsof | grep audio
07:26<spande>shows some audio libs anyway.
07:26<foxes>i got lots of resules.
07:26<gsimmons>jvictor: You could try asking on the debian-mirrors mailing list; /msg dpkg debian mirrors
07:27<Emanon>hey guys could use an assist on an install
07:27<foxes>spande, maybe i need kill the "artsd"?
07:28<spande>foxes : dunno. try it and see.
07:28<jvictor>gsimmons: I'll take a look there, thank you
07:28<foxes>spande ok
07:28<Emanon>flex keyboard it fell
07:28<spande>foxes : anything else interesting in 1st two columns of lsof output ?
07:28<simonrvn>foxes: looking for a working dsnoop in your alsa. it wants exclusive use of the sound system, it doesn't like "sound daemons".
07:30<foxes>simonrvn, lsof | dsnoop ?
07:30<simonrvn>no, what spande told you
07:31<foxes>spande, konqueror 1912 and konqueror 1971
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07:31<spande>simonrvn was explaining how it worked.
07:32<foxes>spande, it seems i have not understood
07:33<spande>I suspect skype will work with konqueror doing audio since konq does not hog audio. You could shut down konq just to be sure. Anything else in lsof that looks likely?
07:36<spande>I think (I dunno) that skype works ok with alsa which konq uses. Alsa is designed to handle mulitiple sound inputs and outputs.
07:37<foxes>this time is : kicker and konsole on the top of lsof.
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07:37<spande>the daemon thing is I think an alsa grabbing thing, and wants everything to talk to it like a client talks to a server. The grabbing means that skype - which is not designed to talk like a client - means skype barfs.
07:39<spande>no idea why kicker and konsole would need audio. Fire up skype again, see what you get
07:39<petern>for those all-important gui sound effects...
07:39<foxes>spande, it didn't work.
07:40<spande>same error?
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07:41<spande>well, remove kicker and konsole, and make beep noises whenever skype barfs again.
07:41<spande>!doesn't work?
07:41<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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07:46<foxes>spande, it doesn't work
07:48<foxes>spande, did you use linux , maybe you can try it on linux.
07:51<foxes>spande, things get better. i close the vbox, and i can hear someone.
07:51<Guest2022>hey guys im having an issue with an wrongly/not configured xorg - the utility just sets the keyboard, while other fields seem blank. First the log said no drivers found so i installed the package for ati, the gives me a fatal error 11. Tried xorg faqs and google but so far nothing. What am I doing wrong?
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07:54<paveq>should I do etch->lenny upgrade with 3rd party repos enabled, or disable them and see after what happens when I enable them
07:54<paveq>the repos are multimedia and debian-volatile
07:55<paveq>they do have lenny packages I suppose
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07:55<zobel>paveq: volatile hasn't, but it is on my todo list for today.
07:56<paveq>zobel: what is then?
07:56<paveq>just empty repo?
07:56<untam3d>hello I have a problem with my apache2
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07:57<untam3d>it cant reload, force-reload, strart
07:57<paveq>zobel: what happens if I comment out volatile repo, do etch packages stay in the system, or be removed?
07:57<untam3d>anything. On stdout writes me that cannot use address
07:57<untam3d>for ServerName
07:57<zobel>if lenny has packages with higher version numner (which they should have) they get upgraded.
07:57<untam3d>apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
07:58<paveq>any easy way to check if I even have anything installed from specific 3rd party repo?
07:58<spande>untam3d : google for that.
07:58<paveq>can't remember if I have
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08:00<zobel>paveq: for i in $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'); do apt-cache policy $i; done
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08:00<zobel>paveq: there might be nicer ways, but that is the method i do.
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08:03<foxes>spande, It works , thank you every much!
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08:03<spande>foxes: cool. are you chinese? I think there was a language barrier.
08:04<foxes>spande, yes i am .
08:06<Emanon>I have run into a problem installing Debian from a usb flash drive
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08:07<spande>foxes: happy new year then, and enjoy skype during your holidays :-)
08:07<foxes>spande, thank you!!!
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08:10<gsimmons>paveq: Alternatively: aptitude search '~i!~Odebian'
08:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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08:15<Emanon>I have a problem with installing Debian version 40r6. when I try to do load installer components from an installer ISO I get the following output "There was a problem reading data from the CDROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your CDROM. ".
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08:16<abrotman>Emanon: how new is your system?
08:16<Emanon>it was a friends
08:16<Emanon>so not 100% sure
08:16<abrotman>fairly new? or a few years old?
08:17<Emanon>fairly new
08:17<Emanon>say 3 years
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08:17<abrotman>you will want to try etchnhalf or the lenny netinst
08:17<abrotman>though 3 years isn't 'fairly' new in my book
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08:20<simonrvn>fairly new i'd say 1-2 years max ;)
08:20<untam3d>spande: I readed in google much but there isn't text solving my problem
08:21<untam3d>I have a problem with apache2, it's cant restart
08:21<Emanon>Try this debian-40r6-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso 125M ? Instead of this debian-40r6-amd64-netinst.iso 146M ?
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08:27<abrotman>Emanon: yes
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08:29<Emanon>thank you
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08:34<spande>untam3d : put "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified qualified domain name, using for ServerName" in google and click on I'm feeling lucky.
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08:35<spande>untam3d : where does it take you?
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08:43<untam3d>spande: I know, I have readed about 10 texts
08:43<untam3d>and I done all what they wanted but problem is still
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08:44<valdyn>untam3d: like what?
08:44<untam3d>like add ServerName line to apache2.conf
08:44<untam3d>like edit hosts
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08:45<untam3d>like edit sites-available/default file
08:45<untam3d>by putting there ServerName and ServerAlias lines
08:45<untam3d>and problem is still...
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08:47<untam3d>now apache2 writes those lines:
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08:47<untam3d>etc/init.d/apache2 restart\
08:47<untam3d>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running
08:47<untam3d>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
08:47<untam3d>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address
08:47<untam3d>no listening sockets available, shutting down
08:47<untam3d>Unable to open logs
08:48<untam3d> failed!
08:48<valdyn>untam3d: so you still have a webserver running
08:48<untam3d>yeah it looks like but if I put adress to web browser
08:49<untam3d>then popups a window with "download index.php file"
08:49<valdyn>untam3d: yes
08:49<untam3d>and now what?
08:49<valdyn>untam3d: so that webserver is running and doing work
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08:49<valdyn>untam3d: yes it is
08:49<untam3d>you dont understand
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08:50<valdyn>untam3d: you dont, i do
08:50*abrotman puts his money on valdyn
08:50<untam3d>look at stdout which I paste here
08:50<Emanon>Back: I loaded the new ISO and tried it... Same Error
08:50<abrotman>it failed to start because port 80 is already in use
08:50<untam3d>I want to load that index.php file now to download
08:51<untam3d>no* sorry
08:51<abrotman>clear your browser cache, restart browser, try again
08:51<untam3d>ok, I will try
08:52<valdyn>i think he really wants to kill his alternate webserver or his still running apache
08:53<untam3d>hah problem is still
08:53<valdyn>untam3d: you cannot jump from one problem to the next ignoring each and then hoping that everything fixes itself
08:53<valdyn>untam3d: 1) your apache wont restart probably because port 80 is in use. solve that
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08:54<valdyn>untam3d: THEN you can jump to something else
08:54<Emanon>I manage to successfully mount stable installer image however it still states there is a problem reading the data from the CD-ROM when I move to the next step
08:55<valdyn>untam3d: netstat -plunt should list whatever is listening on port 80
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08:56<untam3d>valdyn: port 80 is unused
08:56<valdyn>untam3d: how do you know?
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08:56<untam3d>netstat -plunt | grep 80
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08:57<valdyn>untam3d: ok, then restart apache2, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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08:58<untam3d>apache2 prints: httpd (no pid file) not running, address already in use, no listening sockets available, shutting down and of course - FAILED
08:59<valdyn>untam3d: ls -l /var/run/
08:59<valdyn>untam3d: ls -l /var/run/
08:59<abrotman>it failed to shut down because it failed to start last time ?
08:59<untam3d>there isn't any file
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09:00<valdyn>untam3d: and what is in /var/run/apache2/ ?
09:00<abrotman>so try /etc/init.d/apache2 start ?
09:00<valdyn>untam3d: did you configure apache2 to listen on a different port than 80 ?
09:00<x-nux>pakabar? how are u all??
09:01<untam3d>valdyn: no, I dont know how
09:01<valdyn>untam3d: "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" gives what?
09:01<untam3d>gives failed
09:01<abrotman>what error?
09:01<untam3d>hmmm 98
09:01<x-nux>/etc/init.d/apache2 status
09:02<untam3d>Address already in use
09:02<abrotman>untam3d: fuser -n tcp 80 .. does it return anything ?
09:02<x-nux>vim /etc/service
09:02<untam3d>Base:/var/run/apache2# fuser -n tcp 80
09:02<untam3d>80/tcp: 3643 3644 3645 3646 3647 3653 3731 10997
09:03<abrotman>untam3d: so what is process 3643 ?
09:04<untam3d>root 3643 0.0 0.3 7140 3460 ? Ss 13:04 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache-perl
09:04<valdyn>oh noes
09:04<valdyn>theres ther alternate webserver
09:04<abrotman>valdyn: do you want a cookie?
09:04<valdyn>i want to know why the fuck netstat -plunt did not list it
09:04<valdyn>or if he just lied to me
09:05<untam3d>i dont lie
09:05<untam3d>maybe you want a screen shot?
09:05<abrotman>untam3d: pastebin is better
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09:05<untam3d>but you can think that I editted it
09:05<abrotman>untam3d: use ... paste the output of `netstat -plunt;fuser -n tcp 80`
09:06<untam3d>(sorry for my poor english)
09:06<untam3d>ok wait a minute
09:06<x-nux>netstat -nap | grep apache2 ---> for looking ur access apache port
09:06<valdyn>apache2 isnt even running
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09:06<abrotman>details details ...
09:06<cahoot>what does the: Ss 13:04 in the output from fuser imply?
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09:08<untam3d>cahoot: I have other time area?
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09:09<untam3d>now on netstat -plunt there is apache-perl 3643
09:10<untam3d>but I still cant load any php file
09:10<abrotman>netstat is showing port 80 in use
09:12<untam3d>abrotman: yes, apache-perl
09:12<abrotman>so stop using apache-perl
09:13<untam3d> prints me "Index of /" like always
09:13<untam3d>ok I will try
09:14<untam3d>abrotman: I did it and...
09:14<untam3d>Base:/var/run/apache2# killall apache-perl
09:14<untam3d>Base:/var/run/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
09:14<untam3d>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running
09:14<untam3d>it looks like apache2 starts without problems
09:15<abrotman>no kidding ...
09:15<untam3d>but I still cant loadphp
09:15<abrotman>!beer valdyn
09:15*dpkg deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for valdyn
09:15<abrotman>untam3d: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ?
09:15<untam3d>I dont know
09:15<untam3d>did I do something wrong?
09:15<abrotman>untam3d: maybe you should uninstall apache-perl ?
09:16<untam3d>ok, but if i uninstall it
09:16<untam3d>I will can run perl scripts?
09:17<untam3d>ehhh, I uninstalled it, restarted apache2 and still cant load php
09:18<abrotman>untam3d: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ?
09:18<abrotman>and is it enabled?
09:19<untam3d>i think yes
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09:19<untam3d>there is something else
09:20<untam3d>when I readed about this unknow ServerName
09:20<untam3d>I have added this lines to apache2.conf file
09:20<untam3d>and maybe its wrong or something...
09:20<abrotman>don't think ...
09:20<abrotman>is it enabled?
09:20<untam3d>wait i check it
09:20<snogglethorpe>account off
09:21<untam3d>eee, how to check it?
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09:23<abrotman>a2enmod php5
09:24<untam3d>This module is already enabled!
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09:27<untam3d>now what?
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09:28<wickd>I installed Debian with GRUB2 because I thought it was "the best" option. How do I add a 2nd harddisk? It won't find it automagically.
09:28<themill>untam3d: what makes you say PHP isn't working?
09:29<abrotman>untam3d: try a different browser
09:29<untam3d>themill: for sure isn't working because i cant load php files but how to fix it?
09:29<untam3d>abrotman: I uses iceweasel
09:30<abrotman>yeah .. i got that .. try another browser
09:30<themill>untam3d: what does that mean? What exactly have you done?
09:30<untam3d>and in the past it's works all great
09:30<untam3d>yesterday it works great...
09:31<abrotman>untam3d: did you clear your browser cache and restart the browser yet?
09:31<untam3d>yes, two times...
09:31<abrotman>untam3d: is this a public server?
09:31<paveq>anyone here have problems with nvidia drivers in lenny
09:31<untam3d>maybe I'll try to remove and install all php and apache2?
09:32<paveq>apparently gcc version that was used to compile the kernel is different than lenny installs
09:32<untam3d>abrotman: no, it not public server
09:32<abrotman>untam3d: there's no need to remove the packages
09:32<paveq>should this considered to be a bug
09:33<paveq>kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1, and installed gcc is 4.3
09:33<untam3d>so what should I do now?
09:33<paveq>amd64 kernel...
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09:33<abrotman>untam3d: try another browser
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09:34<untam3d>ok konqueror works great
09:34<lukibmc>ciao enzo
09:35<snogglethorpe>untam3d: 'till it crashes
09:35<spande>untam3d : a cache issue then.
09:35<abrotman>untam3d: you mean it shows the file correctly?
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09:35<untam3d>abrotman: yes... :)
09:35<abrotman>untam3d: i told you three times to clear your browser cache and restart iceweasel
09:35<abrotman>apparently you didn't do that
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09:35<spande>abrotman : would apache need a restart?
09:35<untam3d>ufff, now I can finish my work but whats wrong with Iceaweasel?
09:36<abrotman>untam3d: clear the browser cache and stop *every* single instance of the browser and restart it
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09:36<DeserT>buenas estimados.
09:36<abrotman>if iceweasel is running at all, clearing the browser cache will do nothing
09:36<Emanon>I am still having troubles installing Debian, I have tried a few iso's now and I constantly get cought up by "There was a problem reading data from the cd-rom....."
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09:37<spande>untam3d : killall should do it
09:37<untam3d>now my Iceweasel doesn't run but I have running Chatzilla plugin
09:37<untam3d>spande: I know
09:38<untam3d>hmmm, so I must disconnect for a minute
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09:39<untam3d>ok abrotman, spande, themill and all who helps me
09:40<spande>would chatzilla keep firefox web cache ? No idea.
09:40<untam3d>I so happy and THANKS YOU
09:40<untam3d>THANK YOU all... (and sorry for my english) :)
09:40<spande>untam3d : firefox ok now?
09:40<untam3d>yeah works great
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09:41<enouf>Emanon: seems like your burns are bad?
09:41<untam3d>I have a, question (last) about my system font
09:41<spande>communication in bad english is no problem. bad communication in good or bad english is a problem.
09:42<Emanon>I am using a usb stick
09:42<enouf>well said .. heh
09:42<untam3d>so In all aplications, system and everywhere (in KDE 3.5) font has changed
09:43<untam3d>eee, ok nevermind
09:43<untam3d>I will work on its by myself
09:43<abrotman>spande: that doesn't make sense
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09:43<untam3d>I know, sorry :)
09:44<untam3d>ok, Im off good bye
09:44<abrotman>untam3d: what is your native language?
09:44<jl8cx>what r u on about?
09:44<spande>abrotman : yeah, I should have prefixed it with "good". My bad (english)
09:44<abrotman>spande: see .. bad english makes bad communication :)
09:44<untam3d>yes, sorry for that
09:44<abrotman>untam3d: native language?
09:45<untam3d>I must keep learning english (my native is Polish)
09:45<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
09:45<enouf>Emanon: ok, then you likely did the install to usb stick incorrect, or grabbed the wrong files, or whatever .. show me what you've done so far
09:45<abrotman>oh .. only one person
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09:46<Emanon>enouf: Followed this guide
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09:47<Gekz>oh crap, in another tab, I had been pinging google for ages... 64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=4744 ttl=242 time=300 ms
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09:47<Gekz>haha 4744 times
09:47<spande>Gekz : google doesn't care.
09:47<Gekz>I know this
09:47<Gekz>but I do
09:47<enouf>untam3d: maybe run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" .. also open K Control Center (you can enter 'kcontrol' in a shell even) .. go to System Administration > Fonts area .. also check out the Themes areas, and even Components and such
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09:48*enouf remembers to append the tab-completed nick .. lastly ... ugh
09:48<Emanon>enouf: I used debian 40r6-amd64-netinst (146mb) first and then tried etchnhalf after
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09:49<enouf>Emanon: do you have a 64bit CPU?
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09:49<enouf>Emanon: and what did you do with that ISO? burned to CD? you said usb stick .. explain
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09:50<Emanon>enouf: says amd 64 when I boot up
09:52<Emanon>enouf: I used a boot.img on a usb stick, then added the iso
09:54<enouf>Emanon: go grab the boot.img.gz, initrd.gz and vmlinuz from here follow the installation guide procedure
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09:55<Emanon>ok bbl
09:55<Emanon>btw thats the img I used
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09:58<enouf>Emanon: and you followed?
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09:59<Emanon>enouf: no failed to see that..ty
09:59<wekt>he, he, he. Different views of 'new'.
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10:09<Kalleos>is it possible to use a GTK 2.x theme only for a certain windows? In my case, the XChat window
10:09<Kalleos>for a certain window*
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10:19<aicos>hi. how can I find out if hostapd supports my network driver? or better still how do I find out what network driver I'm using? (its my friends box who's currently out of town) I think its a "prism I" chipset and its compiled into the kernal. how can I check this?
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10:19<aicos>lots of questions there... just pick the best one :P
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10:23<JohnGH>Does anyone know if it's possible to connect to the display on another machine running X if you have the .Xauthority file and the machine hasn't done an xhost + ?
10:24<Emanon>enouf: didn't work...same prob, but I am off to bed.. I will tackle it tomorroe
10:24<Emanon>umm tomorrow
10:24<Emanon>thank you for trying
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10:25<abrotman>Emanon: you may also want to try the lenny netinst .. or just for i386
10:27<Emanon>hmmm ok I new to inux so I had just figured 1386 wouldn't work as well with amd64 as well... amd64
10:27<venator>Kopete dont open my webcam. What I need to do?
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10:33<venator>ArthurLiu can you help me?
10:33<venator>my kopete dont open my webcam. What I need to do?
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10:34<Scatenato>Un SaLuTo AlLe GeNtI Di debian
10:35<abrotman>Scatenato: english please
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10:35<Scatenato>i'm italian
10:35<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:36<venator>hello evebady.... I need your help...... kopete dont open my webcam. What I need to do?
10:36<abrotman>!tell venator about repeat
10:37<JohnGH>abrotman: venator was refactoring ;-)
10:38<abrotman>uh .. yeah
10:38<Scatenato>Alla Prossima ;) Radio Eden by Exor ScRiPt
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10:38<JohnGH>venator: Does your webcam work with any other programs?
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10:40<venator>JohnGH I testing only kopete
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10:41<aicos>can someone tell me if its possible to list network drivers that are currently running and compiled into the kernal?
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10:41<venator>JohnGH do have other software sugestion?
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10:42<JohnGH>aicos: For what reason? are you trying to find out what network hardware you have? or for another reason?
10:42<aicos>JohnGH: yes.. trying to find out what wireless network driver I'm running
10:43<abrotman>aicos: lsmod, ethtool
10:43<JohnGH>venator: I've never used a camera under Linux sorry, and I don't use kopete (or KDE) but I would have a look to see the camera was being recognized by your system first - does it show up in dmesg when you reconnect it?
10:43<themill>!which ethernet module
10:43<dpkg>To find out what kernel modules your cards are using, look in dmesg, ask me about <which module for 0200>, use "ethtool --driver eth0", or "readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver" or run: for i in `lspci | grep -i net| cut -f1 -d\ ` ; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done | awk -F/ '{print $8}'
10:43<JohnGH>aicos: So you know what kind of wireless card it is? or not? (if you don't you can use lspci)
10:44<JohnGH>thanks thmill :-)
10:44<venator>JohnGH do you know any other software to use with gnome?
10:44<aicos>it shows up when I type lspcmcia -v as " PCMCIA 11M WLAN Card v3.0". basically its telling me nothing
10:45<JohnGH>venator: is it a USB camera?
10:45<JohnGH>venator: OK, when you disconnect it and reconnect it, does it give you messages in dmesg telling you it can see it and what kind of camera it is?
10:46<aicos>john, I want to know if I can use it with the drivers
10:46<JohnGH>aicos: so it's just a generic one?
10:46<abrotman>aicos: 11mb .. doubgt you need prism54
10:46<aicos>I'll be using it with hostapd
10:47<JohnGH>aicos: Did you try the command that themill asked dpkg for for you?
10:47<venator>just moment, I willl see it.
10:47<aicos>hostapd only works with certain drivers as I understand it
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10:48<aicos>JohnGH: which command? this card has been installed by a friend. dont know how he did it
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10:48<aicos>I think he compiled it into the kernal though
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10:49<JohnGH>aicos: type: /last readlink in this window
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10:56<gsimmons>aicos: The driver in use, if any, should also be stated in your lspcmcia output (eg. Socket 0 Device 0: [foobar]).
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10:57<aicos>gsimmons: yeah, its looks like its just looks like some generic device when I run that command
10:57<aicos>I'm installing ethtool
10:58<gsimmons>aicos: You could also google the brand/model/revision of your device, if you're lucky to have a label attached to it.
10:58<gsimmons>!tell aicos -about what's my wireless
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10:59<aicos>firmware-version: Intersil 1.4.2 Driver: orinoco
10:59<aicos>I tried looking up the vendor and device IDs on the web before without much luck
11:00<gsimmons>aicos: There you go. If it has a Prism 2/2.5/3 chipset, you can use that with the hostap driver.
11:00<gsimmons>Uh, to provide your desired hostapd support.
11:00<aicos>excellent. thanks a lot
11:01<aicos>to JohnGH too
11:01<gsimmons>Duh, obviously it's a Prism. "Intersil" is right there. You'd want to blacklist the orinoco driver.
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11:02<JohnGH>you're welcome
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11:12<tczern>Hello, I want to create a file called blacklist-snd_via82xx and I am using: su - gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-snd_via82xx, but it prints unkown id. not sure if the syntax is correct, thanks!
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11:16<valdyn>tczern: man su, the "gedit" parameter is taken as username
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11:17<stew>tczern: "su - gedit ..." means "switch to a user named gedit". i think you probably mean: 'su -c "gedit ..."' which means "su to root, and as root, run the command "gedit ..."
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11:18<tczern>alright, thanks!!
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11:27<spande>I need to rmmod the modules of my sound stack and reinstall them a modprobe snd_ali5451 before sound works right. bpo kernel 2.6.28 on etch. is that a bug?
11:27<spande>or am I missing something
11:27<bpun>what ncurses tool is there for the ethernet? i forget the dpkg-reconfigure command if there isnt any package..
11:29<spande>I need to pccardctl eject and pccardctl insert after boot to make my wlan run. bug?
11:30<spande>is it a good idea to file these as bugs in debian kernel?
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11:43<bpun>HEY!!! I NEED HELP!!!
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11:47<wekt>bpun: please rephrase the question.
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11:48<abrotman>wekt: i think he was joking
11:48<abrotman>i htink ...
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11:57<nearsight>hi all, one quick question about directory ownership changes on command line
11:58<nearsight>i set up a remote server in my place and now i want to have an folder "/ftp" for a certain group to sshfs connect to
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11:59<nearsight>i already changed the group ownership with chgrp to the group all the pribiledged users are in, but still cannot connect to this remote folder... what do i need to change eelse of group ownership?
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11:59<avu>not sure what you mean by 'connect to' in the context of permissions. but you perhaps also want to make the directory to be writable by the group
11:59<avu>something like 0770
12:00<avu>(man chmod)
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12:00<nearsight>i read the corresponding man-pages, but it's still hard to tell, which ownerships need to be modified for me
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12:01<nearsight>the actual line looks like this: "drwxr-xr-x 3 root scio 4096 2009-01-24 17:48 ftp" grp-ownership is "scio"
12:01<avu>well, so the group isn't allowed to write..
12:01<nearsight>but write ownership is still only for root?
12:01<nearsight>I see
12:02<nearsight>but as the group owns the directory, i figured, they should be able to write in it...
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12:02<avu>the first rwx means that the owner (root) can do everything (read, write, eXecute), then come the group and the rest of the world
12:02<nearsight>and "connect" was meant as sshfs the dir
12:02<avu>both of which are only allowed to read and execute
12:02<avu>'sshfs the dir' still doesn't make much sense to me
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12:03<avu>but it reminds me of the 'I accidentally the whole fleshlight' meme :)
12:03<nearsight>that's why?
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12:06<nearsight>the dir is meant to be an exchange dir, not related to a home-dir... and I don't want to set up an ftp-server, cause it's to much trouble actualy and doesn't sem to be recquired
12:06<nearsight>as using ssh to mount the folder via gnome is more or less the same, isn't it?
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12:07<wekt>nearsight: have you logged in before by ssh? do you know that that works?
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12:08<nearsight>I know that it works by several other occations i did it like that... but with already preonfigured dirs
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12:08<bpun>wekt, is there an ncurses console tool for configuring interfaces?
12:08<wekt>bpun: None, so far as I know.
12:09<nearsight>wekt: and also, I'm administring the server via ssh, so yes, it works :D
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12:10<bpun>anyone heard of the sysv-rc-conf package?
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12:11<bpun>why cant this be integrated with other setup tools?
12:11<bpun>cant stand invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d
12:12<metalqga>hibernate seems to skip fsck on resume (after hibernation). Should I reboot from time to time (how much) with forced fsck on all partitions?
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12:13<bpun>is there a ncurses gui for bind?
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12:16<wekt>bpun: had never head of sysv-rc-conf
12:18<nearsight>funny, tho i set write rights to the dir, and I'm in the group, i still cannot write there...
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12:22<shiznatix>Hello. I run Xfce and am looking for a music player that can also manage my iPod. I don't want to download anything excessive like gnome or kde libs but just something simple that can do the job well on Xfce. Any suggetions?
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12:23<shiznatix>metalqga, in some foreign land you may be considered a god
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12:24<metalqga>a beer is more than enough :P
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12:49<ricochet1k>I'm having trouble with mouse button emulation
12:49<ricochet1k>i'm running on a powerbook g4 with a custom kernel patched with the
12:49<ricochet1k>ADB touchpad patch
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12:50<ricochet1k>setting dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode doesn't appear to do anything
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12:51<Valtiel-ASD>i want to bay an apple aluminium keyboard
12:51<Valtiel-ASD>how it's to be worck with may Debian x86_64
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12:51<padski>ricochet1k, does it work with the stock kernel ?
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12:52<ricochet1k>padski: i haven't tried that
12:52<Valtiel-ASD>have a debian default support of this device or not ?
12:52<Raspberry>hmm I'm trying to install Lenny amd64 and after the install completes it just leaves me at a black screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left
12:53<ricochet1k>Valtiel: i believe so, i think it is just a usb keyboard, so it should work
12:53<Raspberry>I setup this system with LVM... with /boot being outside the LVM and root being inside it
12:53<Raspberry>I've tried via the Install and Graphical install options -- they both create the same behavior
12:53<padski>ricochet1k, also dpkg says
12:53<dpkg>somebody said debianppc was /join #debianppc PowerPC port: FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at, the <yaboot> HOWTO can be found at
12:53<Valtiel-ASD>ricochet1k: not standard buttons
12:54<Valtiel-ASD>and multimedia settings
12:54<Valtiel-ASD>should be work ?
12:54<Valtiel-ASD>and many other buttons
12:54<Valtiel-ASD>not ordinary
12:55<Raspberry>i booted back to the CDROM and did rescue and was able to mount the /dev/lvm/root as / and everything seems to work fine -- I've tried reinstalling GRUB but that doesn't make a difference either
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12:57<ricochet1k>padski: i tried mouseemu, and that did allow me to use F12 for right click but the trackpad no longer responded to my finger
12:57<ricochet1k>#debianppc doesn't exist
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12:59<ricochet1k>ok, i'm going to reboot into the old kernel, do i need to run an update-initramfs again for the old kernel to work?
12:59<padski>ricochet1k, there are 13 users there
13:00<rk>is there any way to make my mom's computer to open a connection so can remote access her computer? The idea is to make her to open the connection so I can bypass any router or whatever it may be in the middle
13:00<ricochet1k>padski: i am sorry, i must have typed it wrong
13:00<padski>ricochet1k, no worries :-)
13:01<ricochet1k>does update-initramfs need to be run before i reboot to the old kernel?
13:01<padski>ricochet1k, it might take a while to get a reply, but the folks there were helpful when I had a g4
13:01<rk>I want to give her support in the laptop... just give her my ip and use it in some script i can make so she opens the connection bypassing any router in the middle without having to open the ports
13:02<rk>is there anyway to make this? :S
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13:04<eljefe_>rk I maybe have something that can help you, if you can open your own firewall
13:05<rk>i can open any firewall...the thing is i dont know in what router she maybe when she has problem...
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13:05<eljefe_>your suportee would need to open two Konsoles (or two tabs), and needs x11vnc installed.
13:05<rk>I just want to give her my ip so she opens the connection
13:06<eljefe_>Then in the first konsole she can run this: x11vnc -display :0 &
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13:06<eljefe_>and in the second konsole she can run this: ssh -R 5900:localhost:5900 -l$USERNAME -p$YOURSSHPORT 123.456.thisis.youip
13:07<abrotman>go mom!
13:07<abrotman>rk: there is no guarantee that she will always be able to get to her machine
13:07<eljefe_>where she will need to replace $USERNAME with an account on your box; $YOURSSHPORT with whatever your SSH is listening on with the firewall open from the outside to your box; and 123.456.thisis.youip with your IP Address
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13:08<eljefe_>and, on your box, you then have to use xtightvncviewer to connect to that port that is now tunneled from her machine to your own
13:09<rk>i think i got it
13:09<rk>im gonna try right now!
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13:09<eljefe_>nice, let us know
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13:10<eljefe_>rk it will ask her to enter a password for $USERNAME of course
13:10<eljefe_>I was working on making this an executable bash script but never got very far in it :(
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13:11<rk>im gonna try to make it as automatable as possible
13:11<rk>so she doesnt have to understand whats going on
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13:12<eljefe_>yes that would be nice; in my setup I tried to have a launcherapp which would run a hidden script; also the $IP.ADDRE.S.S I have DynDNS setup since my own home IP Address changes often enough
13:13<eljefe_>i also had an account 'support' that promptly got broken into and someone looked to have rooted my box :( since my 'support' password was a joke :( That caused a full reinstall and then I never really went back to it
13:13<eljefe_>i know
13:14<eljefe_>live and learn eh?
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13:14<jay_>hello i think i need some help..
13:14<jay_>i was installing debian on a small hard drive.. and now its full... so i need to copy all this to a bigger one.. i tryed doing an cp -rf * from /dev/hda1 to /hdb1 and it seems to have copied all the data from one disk to another
13:14<eljefe_>thats partly why I changed the $SSHPORT since 22 was an obvious target
13:15<eljefe_>jay you could try rsync -av /first/drive /second/drive if the cp doesn't do it. But either way, you'll have to reinstall your bootloader
13:15<jay_>but when i try to boot up from this disk newir bigger disk it dosnt do anything
13:15<eljefe_>you'll have to reconfigure GRUB bootloader
13:15<eljefe_>on the new disk
13:16<rk>eljefe_, I intend to have ssh closed all the time
13:16<eljefe_>not a bad move if you don't need outside access
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13:16<eljefe_>jay_ nope what?
13:17<jay_>nope i didn reconfigure GRUB bootloader
13:17<jay_>how do you this
13:17<rk>not really I also inted to leave the laptop well configured and make her play with vmware boxes so nothing gets broken
13:17<padski>I'm looking for a booking system, any suggestions ?
13:17<abrotman>to book what?
13:17<rk>but just in case... I leave really far away :)
13:17<eljefe_>joy_ there are a few ways, but really its going to require that you boot into another system; chroot to the new disk; and reinstall the bootloader. You can do this either from your original instal ldrive or from a live cd...
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13:18<eljefe_>rk the $SSHPORT is only on your machine, not hers
13:18<dpkg>methinks grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
13:18<abrotman>padski: to book waht?
13:19<rk>eljefe_, ops yeah lol
13:20<rk>and no, i dont really need remote access to my comp
13:20<padski>abrotman, business, me actually !
13:20<rk>so the comp that u got broken into was urs not hers?
13:20<rk>OMG LOL
13:20<abrotman>padski: you mean for accounting?
13:21<rk>that was really funny LoL
13:21<padski>abrotman, no so that other people can make appointments to see me (optimistic, I know) :-)
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13:22<eljefe_>correct, it was my own computer, since thats where I had the 'support' account listening.
13:23<eljefe_>funny sure, but also kinda painful at the time.
13:23<abrotman>padski: oh, scheduling of sorts
13:23<rk>eljefe_, now I think I got it theoretically... lets see if i can make it work :)
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13:23<abrotman>padski: nope! don't know of one, maybe look on freshmeat
13:23<rk>eljefe_, yeah, funny story to tell, i guess it was not funny for you ^_^
13:24<padski>abrotman, thanks
13:24<rk>thanks eljefe_ again, ill let you know how :)
13:25<rk>it worked out
13:25<eljefe_>oh yeah?
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13:34<simonrvn>it's almost leet o'clock... do you know where your parents are?
13:35<Raspberry>has anybody installed Lenny with LVM?
13:35<Raspberry>I can't seem to get the system to boot (with the /boot outside of the LVM)
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13:37<Raspberry>hmm I'm trying to install Lenny amd64 and after the install completes it just leaves me at a black screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left
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13:39<eljefe_>Raspberry i had this same 'problem' once, turned out I accidentally downlaoded the ai64 or something, rather than amd64
13:39<Raspberry>well I can install the whole system
13:39<eljefe_>then that isn't it
13:39<Raspberry>and I can mount all the lvm stuff from booting off the cd in rescue
13:40<Raspberry>I just can't get it to boot off the drive
13:40<Raspberry>I'm going to do guided LVM
13:40<Raspberry>just to see if it'll work if I don't "tweak" it -- it's LVM so I can resize it anyway :p
13:41<Raspberry>i wanted to do reiserfs so I can resize on the fly -- this is a development server that's going to be running openVZ systems
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13:41<Raspberry>I have to get the system to boot first :)
13:42<enouf>Raspberry: what else is involved? raid? crypto?
13:42<Raspberry>Hardware RAID1
13:42<enouf>oh dear
13:42<enouf>look into that
13:43<Raspberry>hmm how so -- I did -- people are doing it and saying it's fine
13:43<enouf>Raspberry: which controller card?
13:43<Raspberry>do you have something to look into
13:43<Raspberry>it's a Lenovo TS100
13:43<enouf>ok, which one? is a dell PERC?
13:43<Raspberry>model M 6334
13:43<Raspberry>it's not a crappy dell
13:43<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:44<Raspberry>I can't do the Etch r6 installer without monkeying around because it doesn't have the drivers for the NIC
13:44<enouf>now, seen ? ahh crap, ibm isn't listed
13:45<metalqga>hibernate seems to skip fsck on resume (after hibernation). Should I reboot from time to time (how much) with forced fsck on all partitions?
13:45<enouf>hrm .. so that all goes off without issue concerning Booting , LVM, etc?
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13:46<metalqga>everything works fine...
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13:46<Raspberry>everything installs fine... and all the hardware seems to work... it sees the two RAID1 arrays it installs onto them... I can boot back onto the CD -- do rescue mode and I can mount the lvm stuff with an /etc/init.d/lvm start
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13:53<Raspberry>hmmm it got pretty quiet
13:54<metalqga>maybe thinking about my question? :)
13:54<Raspberry>mine too
13:54<Raspberry>you can force fsck
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13:55<Raspberry>by putting that file at /
13:55<Raspberry>I can't remember the name -- do you know what I'm talking about?
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13:57<metalqga>my question is it really necessarily? how do I know if the fs is broken without checking? how often to check...
13:58<valdyn>metalqga: you dont need to check it at all
13:59<metalqga>valdyn but fsck checks my partition very often (maybe because I use a lot;)
14:00<valdyn>metalqga: no, one check per 30 mounts is default
14:00<metalqga>oh thanks!
14:00<metalqga>!beer valdyn
14:00*dpkg pulls out a fine Spaten Optimator for valdyn
14:00<valdyn>metalqga: it is pretty much an artifact from ext2 when there was no journaling
14:00<valdyn>metalqga: i cant tell you if it is useful at all though
14:01<valdyn>metalqga: if you reboot daily or even more often you might want to just up the interval to like 120 mounts
14:01<metalqga>well I reboot very often, recently started using hibernate and love it!
14:02<spande>what might break the fs?
14:02<valdyn>metalqga: hibernate should not add to the reboot counter.. does it?
14:02<metalqga>that's what I think
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14:03<valdyn>spande: nothing should be able to break the complete fs in theory
14:03<metalqga>maybe fscking when mouned :P
14:04<valdyn>xfs does this fsck thing autogically online, after mounting it
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14:04<valdyn>ext3 cant do that
14:04<metalqga>i'm following brfs and ext4
14:04<Valtiel-ASD>fstab parameters
14:04<Valtiel-ASD>0 0
14:04<Valtiel-ASD>0 2
14:05<Valtiel-ASD>cheking or not
14:05<valdyn>i wouldnt change fstab for this
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14:07<valdyn>metalqga: ext4 works, but the advanced online fsck or defrag arent there yet
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14:07<valdyn>metalqga: and btrfs is not ready.
14:07<metalqga>well when I think about this, running the pc for moths without shutting it down is the same as hibernating it everyday
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14:08<metalqga>yes btrfs (a name to remember) :D
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14:08<spande>if a file is still open when unmounting prior to hibernate, that is when you would need an fsck. I expect when that does happen, hibernate is smart enough to require an fsck. So the remount number before fsck can be increased is my guess.
14:09<valdyn>spande: umm?
14:09<valdyn>spande: hibernate unmounts? since when?
14:09<valdyn>spande: it doesnt even close files
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14:09<spande>valdyn : oh. OK.
14:10<spande>I will have to read up on that sometime then.
14:10<valdyn>spande: hibernate just freezes everthing,it doesnt close anything
14:11<rjent_>Greetings I am working of an /etc/init.d/script and I have an application that ran without a & at the end will hold the console, but how do I pass a & to start-stop-daemon to perform that?
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14:12<spande>so the kernel itself comes to a stop waiting for a magic signal to resume?
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14:13<Ivan1201>how to back list of my partition on disk?
14:13<Ivan1201>or make new list? any program?
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14:14<Ivan1201>(I with dd if=/boot/grub/mbr.bin of=/dev/sda make mess on disk)
14:14<Valtiel-ASD>Ivan1201: fdisk -l
14:14<spande>ivan1201 : sfdisk fourth invocation
14:14<Valtiel-ASD>Ivan1201: df
14:14<Ivan1201>ok...after my error (miss bs=512 count=1)
14:15<Valtiel-ASD>as root
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14:16<Ivan1201>I can boot system only from boot cd
14:17<Ivan1201>I now try... e2fschk
14:17<Ivan1201>super block invalid
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14:17<Ivan1201>magic block invalid...
14:17<spande>rjent : what are you trying to do? have output go to the console?
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14:18<dazjorz>Hey all
14:18<dazjorz>I'm trying to port Debian to Cygwin.
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14:19<dazjorz>However dpkg is acting weird ATM, trying to recreate /etc/bash_completion.d even if it already exists
14:19<Ivan1201>I try to check disk with e2fschk /dev/sda .... but I have error super block invalid, magic block invalid
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14:19<dazjorz>I'm not sure if it bails out on that, at least the error I get when installing this freshly-compiled package "dpatch" is:
14:20<dazjorz> failed to unlink '//etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-tmp': No such file or directory
14:20<spande>dazjorz : try removing /etc/bash_completion.d ?
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14:22<dazjorz>spande: just moved it, and retried installation - same error :/
14:22<dazjorz>also now it created /etc/bash_completion.d again, and put dpatch_edit_patch.dpkg-new in it - the only conffile of the package
14:23<dazjorz>I'll try to make an strace again
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14:23<dazjorz>since the previous strace was quite interesting, but some things have changed since then
14:24<spande>um. touch //etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-tmp ?
14:24<spande>whack-a-mole :-(
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14:25<dazjorz>same error :/
14:26<dazjorz>it doesn't exist anymore, too
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14:27<dazjorz>hmm, could this have to do with hardlinking?
14:27<dazjorz>I'm on Cygwin, hardlinking doesn't seem to work here
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14:27<dazjorz>I get ln: accessing 'original file': No such file or directory
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14:28<dazjorz>oh, nope, hardlinking seems to work, pebkac
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14:30<Ivan1201>ok...I clear first 512 bytes of hard to repair this problem?
14:31<Torsten_W>Ivan1201: try testdisk
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14:38<Ivan1201>I have only disk-detect I don't have testdisk
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14:44<wekt>Reiser4FS may have compression
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15:10<johns>Any suggestions for debugging a wireless problem? eth0 (wireless) is up and has an IP, and can get dns, but I can't ping the gateway or anything else
15:11<johns>the route table is identical to another (working) machine's route table on the same network
15:11<johns>and from that machine I can ping the nonworking one
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15:12<TerMinaL2468>Hi all
15:12<johns>if I leave ping running long enough, it will eventually have a couple successes
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15:15<BlueG>I'm just wondering why Debian isn't on the GNU list of free GNU/Linux distributions and if anything is being done about it?
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15:23<wekt>BlueG: perhaps because of hosting the nonfree stuff.
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15:31<BlueG>someone suggested to me that there are non-free binary blobs in the default kernel, even if you only use software and such from main.
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15:33<phrhd>does anyone of you have an idea why freeverb3 doesn't work in debian lenny?
15:33<Suran>withour /lib/firmware there is a lot missing in terms of a system anyone on the street would call usable.
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15:36<petern>hmm, is it in any particular package?
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15:38<phrhd>yes it is
15:39<phrhd>and none of the eefects in the package works
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15:43<wekt>BlueG: oh yes. that too. I don't know what the outcome of the vote was on whether to release lenny with non-free content in linux.
15:43<petern>which package?
15:44<phrhd>let me have look....
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15:44<phrhd>should be one of the ladspa plugin packages....
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15:46<phrhd>loooking this up...
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15:47<petern>ah, i only had main selected
15:47<petern>no ladspa :/
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15:48<phrhd>it is in main...
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15:49<phrhd>it is in the CMT package
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15:50<phrhd>i had already contacted the maintainer, but didn't get an answer
15:50<petern>wasn't showing until i updated, then. bizarre
15:51<phrhd>i have seen severalpeople face the same problem
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15:53<phrhd>because amsynth uses freeverb for its reverb effect
15:53<phrhd>an this then doesn't work
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15:55<phrhd>but i remember it wokred in etch
15:55<petern>hmm, it works for me via jack-rack
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15:55<petern>well, it does something
15:56<phrhd>does that really give you reverb?
15:56<oscurochu>Why are there so many different CD images?
15:56<phrhd>because there are different ways to install
15:57<oscurochu>I understand that, but what's the difference between debian-40r6-amd64-CD-1.iso, debian-40r6-amd64-CD-2.iso, etc?
15:58<phrhd>you can either download a whole set of cd-images and burn them
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15:58<oscurochu>Do I need the whole set?
15:58<phrhd>then you have the complete software pool on these cds
15:58<eljefe_>maybe thats the *full* debian distro, rather than just a minimal install or netinstall disk, oscurochu
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15:59<eljefe_>if you have reliable internet, just install the OS and get the rest of your software from apt over the internet
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15:59<oscurochu>so just download the first CD from the set?
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16:00<Woet>lion:/# mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
16:00<Woet>mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs'
16:00<Woet>how do I mount a USB harddisk?
16:00<eljefe_>are you familiar with Debian?
16:00<phrhd>i think that is also possible
16:00<Ivan1201>Bingo! testdisk is back information about my partitions on disk
16:00<eljefe_>oscurochu are you familiar with debian?
16:00<Ivan1201>now with rescue boot disk I set root partiton and reinstall grub
16:01<Ivan1201>Debian now work..and I have dual boot
16:01<Ivan1201>Tnx. to all for great help!
16:01<oscurochu>I'm an ubuntu user, but I want to try debian. I have the wusb300 wireless card, which I've successfully installed onto ubuntu and I'm pretty sure debian isn't much different.
16:01<eljefe_>!ntfs-3g > Woet
16:01*Woet waits
16:01<Woet>i got nothing?
16:02<dpkg>i heard ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also and
16:02<phrhd>any additional ideas about the cmt plugn package?
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16:05<eljefe_>oscurochu if you use Gnome, maybe try the netinstall and select Desktop Environment once its asking. If you use KDE, do not select that, and when the install is done use apt-ge t install kde-base xorg
16:05<eljefe_>use: apt-get install kde-base xorg
16:06<eljefe_>and possibly a lot more as you go, but it'll be your own os rather than a lot of unneededs
16:06<eljefe_>gott ago
16:06<oscurochu>ndiswrapper is the only thing I need to install my wireles drivers, right? That is the only thing I needed when installing it on ubuntu, but I know ubuntu comes preinstalled with a bunch of stuff.
16:06<Woet>eljefe_: can't I simply reformat the drive to use a Linux filesystem?
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16:06<eljefe_>could be, depending on the hardware
16:06<eljefe_>Woet if you have nothing on there that you need, sure you can
16:06<Woet>it's a USB harddisk of 500GB
16:06<Woet>okay, how?
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16:07<eljefe_>how what? reformat?
16:07<Woet>mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
16:08<eljefe_>as root: cfdisk /dev/whatever (Make sure the disk isn't mounted!) Then delete what is there and create a new partition with filesystem type 83. write changes and exit when done. then run (as root) mkfs.ext3 -L giveanamehere /dev/WHATEVER
16:08<Woet>eljefe_: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends after end-of-disk
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16:08<eljefe_>yeah you could prob go without the cfdisk part
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16:09<Woet>'mkfs.ext3 -L giveanamehere /dev/WHATEVER'
16:09<Woet>oh, right
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16:09<eljefe_>make sure with cfdisk its /dev/sda NOT /dev/sda1 (no number, your working on the whole disk)
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16:09<Woet>okay, thanks a ton elfe
16:09<eljefe_>but with mkfs it does have the number of the partition
16:09<Woet>I skipped cfdisk
16:09<Woet>Writing inode tables: 322/3727
16:09<eljefe_>;) take a bit
16:10<eljefe_>gotta go now, good luc
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16:16<Wooly>hey guys, how do I tell which driver an ethernet card is using?
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16:23<padski>Wooly, I don't know. I have a box in front of me with an rtl8139 chipset int it and I can see 8139cp and 8139too loaded. I'm not sure which or both is driving it
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16:24<Wooly>padski: yeah, i have a similar problem too :(
16:24<padski>Wooly, did you look at the output of dmesg ?
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16:25<padski>I just tried removing and reloading, looks like it is 8139too
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16:41<Wooly>i seem to have sorted out the issue with the network card, but it didn't remove the jerkiness in stream playback :(
16:41<Wooly>anyone a dab hand with mdadm?
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17:21<Stuckey>Does anyone know how to make a torrent file?
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17:33<tczern>in what repository can I find the latest version of Gimp?
17:33<aldeid>Hi, not sure it is here to ask this type of question, but any1 has installed ssltunnel?
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17:35<BlueG>has anyone suggested releasing two kernel versions? One with the non-free binary blobs and the other completely free?
17:36<tczern>I found this : but I am not sure how to add this to my repositories
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17:54<Wooly_>can anyone help me resolve a jerky NFS streaming problem?
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18:07<Stuckey>Does anyone know how to make a torrent file?
18:08<Wooly_>in debian?
18:08<Wooly_>or in general?
18:09<Stuckey>in Debian
18:09<Stuckey>Lenny in particular
18:10<Wooly_>are you using a client?
18:10<Stuckey>I use rtorrent
18:10<Stuckey>But I downloaded the bittorrent package
18:11<Wooly_>that's the python one that runs in the command line, is that right?
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18:16<Wooly_>would that work?
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18:18<Stuckey>btcompletedir should work but I get this error...
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18:25<Stuckey>Hello, I'm trying to create a torrent with multiple files with btcompletedir; I get this error when I try to:
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18:31<Stuckey>Could someone please tell me how I can make a torrent file in linux???
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18:46<spande>Stuckey : btmakemetafile is what you use with bt
18:46<Stuckey>spande, but that doesn't allow the making of multiple files inside of a torrent. btcompletedir does, but it's bugged.
18:47<Stuckey>spande, see
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18:49<spande>Stuckey : sorry, no idea. I never really noticed how bts were made :-)
18:49<enouf>!wb xingu
18:49<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! xingu has returned!
18:50<valdyn>Stuckey: maybe user error, bram cohen never cared to make his tools catch input errors
18:50<Stuckey>valdyn, I don't understand
18:51<valdyn>Stuckey: the original torrent programs do not check user input for correctness, they just dump a trace like you posted
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18:51<Stuckey>valdyn, so what does this mean?
18:51<valdyn>Stuckey: it means maybe its your error
18:52<Stuckey>valdyn, but my synatx was correct?
18:52<Stuckey>btcompletedir http:///trackerurl file.doc file2.doc
18:52<valdyn>Stuckey: idoubt it
18:52<enouf>wtf .. er .doc?
18:52<Stuckey>enouf, sorry, that was just an example
18:53<enouf>Stuckey: no, my bad ... my apologies
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18:53<Stuckey>btcompletedir http:///trackerurl file.openoffice file2.openoffice
18:53<spande>Stuckey : um /// ?
18:54<enouf>Stuckey: and what's in those files? are they structured properly?
18:54<Stuckey>enouf, can I PM you?
18:54<enouf>Stuckey: no
18:54<enouf>but mainly because i suck .. ;-)
18:54<Wooly_>btcompletedir requires two arguments. The first is the trackerURL which is the “announce” address of a tracker (ex., the second is the directory that you wish to parse to generate torrent info files.
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18:54<enouf>Stuckey: answer the others here, and we'll all learn ;-)
18:55<Stuckey>I'm wondering, don't we have another program for creating a torrent file?
18:55<Wooly_>i linked to it earlier
18:55<enouf>Wooly_: good info - thanks
18:55<Stuckey>I've never had anything but problems with this original bittorent...
18:55<spande>hooray for wooly!
18:56<Wooly_>i'm a genius i know:P
18:56<Stuckey>that's not a part of debian
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18:58<Wooly_>are you sure?
18:59<Stuckey>It didn't show up with apt-cache search
18:59<valdyn>Stuckey: does it need to be commandline tool?
18:59<Stuckey>valdyn, Yes, I'd very much prefer that.
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18:59<Wooly_>Stuckey, open a terminal and type this:
18:59<valdyn>Stuckey: give bittornado a try
19:00<Wooly_>tar xzf createtorrent-1.1.4.tar.gz
19:00<Wooly_>cd createtorrent-1.1.4/
19:00<Wooly_>sudo make
19:00<Wooly_>sudo make install
19:00<Wooly_>now type /usr/local/bin/createtorrent -h
19:00<Wooly_>ta da
19:00<Wooly_>not everything needs to come from apt :D
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19:01<Stuckey>Wooly_, thanks but I'm not interested in using something outside of the distribution...
19:01<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:01<Wooly>why not?
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19:01<Stuckey>valdyn, do you know how to make the file with bittornado?
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19:04<valdyn>Stuckey: i dont understand what it does yet completely
19:04<valdyn>Stuckey: btcompletedir.bittornado <url> <dir>
19:04<Stuckey>Last time I tried using bittornado I wanted to go burn something in the back yard.
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19:05<valdyn>Stuckey: seems to work ok here
19:05<matth>I was more in the mood to split wood in the back yard
19:05<Stuckey>valdyn, It looks like it's also working here too.
19:05<Stuckey>But seriously, something needs to be done about the original bittorrent...
19:05<valdyn>Stuckey: btcompletedir.bittornado <url> <dir> gives me a torrent file for each file or directory in <dir>
19:06<Wooly>how do you mean?
19:06<valdyn>Stuckey: file a bug report
19:06<Stuckey>valdyn, I am
19:06<valdyn>Stuckey: however bittorent is unmaintained upstream
19:06<Stuckey>valdyn, but, I wanted just one torrent file?
19:06<valdyn>Stuckey: put all files into one <dir>/myfiles
19:07<Stuckey>I have them all in one directory and I ran the command on a directory...
19:07<valdyn>Stuckey: then you should get a myfiles.torrent if you run btcompletedir.bittornado <url> <dir>
19:07<Stuckey>valdyn, nope, I got seperate torrents for all of the files.
19:07<valdyn>Stuckey: you misunderstand me
19:08<Wooly>you need to put that directory within another directory
19:08<Wooly>is that what you mean valdyn?
19:08<valdyn>Stuckey: files need to be in <dir>/myfiles,but the command is bt** <url> <dir>
19:08<valdyn>Wooly: yes
19:09<valdyn>Wooly: i dont think he really needs to use btcompletedir for this
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19:09<valdyn>Wooly: its for making a huge number of torrents
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19:09<Stuckey>valdyn, Should I be using btmakemetalfile?
19:09<valdyn>Stuckey: no, its ok
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19:09<Wooly>valdyn: that's the way it seems, yeah
19:10<Wooly>Stuckey: why are you not interested in using createtorrent?
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19:11<Stuckey>Wooly, because it isn't part of the distribution. And i'm not doing the distribution any good by using something outside of it...
19:11<Stuckey>valdyn, looks like btmakemetailf is working
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19:11<valdyn>Stuckey: i guess its working too, im just not going to read more docs for you
19:11<Wooly>valdyn: hah
19:12<Stuckey>valdyn, please tell me where you read the thing about the directories...
19:12<Stuckey>The documentation for bittorrent is shit
19:12<valdyn>Stuckey: i didnt
19:12<Stuckey>You guessed?
19:12<valdyn>Stuckey: the author is authistic (sp)
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19:12<valdyn>Wooly: i guess
19:13<Wooly>how do i get this btcreatedir thing?
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19:13<Wooly>i've installed bittorrent and bittornado
19:14<valdyn>Wooly: install bittornado and run btcompletedir.bittornado
19:14<spande>oh, we have btcompletedir
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19:15<Wooly>Usage: btcompletedir.bittornado <trackerurl> <dir> [dir...] [params...]
19:15<Wooly>makes a .torrent file for every file or directory present in each dir.
19:15<Wooly>There's where valdyn read the stuff about directories :P
19:15<Wooly>damn line-breaking :(
19:15<Stuckey>Is it okay to rename the torrent file after it has created it? Or will that cause problems?
19:16<valdyn>Stuckey: not
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19:16<Stuckey>it's not okay?
19:16<valdyn>Stuckey: hehe
19:16<valdyn>Stuckey: its ok
19:16<Stuckey>You never know...
19:16<Wooly>i love contrasting questions like those
19:17<Wooly>two questions with a yes/no answer, but with opposite connotations
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19:20<Wooly>NFS + mdadm is driving me crazy
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19:29<tczern>hi, I installed mplayer but I get only a black screen when I want to see a dvd, what else do I need?
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19:32<valdyn>tczern: probably libdvdcss2
19:33<tczern>I don't have this in my repolist :-(
19:33<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
19:34<valdyn>tczern: is that dvd region coded?
19:34<tczern>got it from a redbox
19:34<valdyn>tczern: i dont know what a "redbox" isa
19:34<tczern>uuhmmm, you rent a movie for a dolla
19:35<Wooly> oooh it's like movie vending machines?
19:35<valdyn>tczern: guess it is region coded then, so you do need libdvdcss2
19:35<tczern>what's the repo address of marillat, you have it handy?
19:37<tczern> sarge main ??
19:38<valdyn>tczern: did you just google this?
19:38<tczern>yes, tried it, but it doesn't work
19:38<valdyn>tczern: read what dpkg said
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19:42<tczern>found it, mplayer crashed. aargh, will watch it on my powerbook, thanks anyway!
19:45<tczern>hmh, totem can play it
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19:54<Wizoo>Ok, does anyone know what dpkg contains the perl module Encode::Unicode? I cannot find it on the debian package search page.
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19:54<Wizoo>For Lenny.
19:55<XenutHs>does anyone know a good irc for grub??
19:56<XenutHs>room, server msg board??
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19:59<gravity>Wizoo: Looks like perl itself contains it
19:59<Wizoo>Well, there ya go.
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20:00<Wizoo>I don't know how I missed that.
20:00<Wizoo>Gravity: thank you.
20:01<gravity>Wizoo: No problem
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20:13<aicos>can anyone tell me if its possible to unload a driver that has been compiled into the kernal on the fly?
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20:24<superlinux>mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. i have this. plz help me fix it.
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20:35<gravity>aicos: Nope, that's why you should generally use modules
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20:38<aicos>my flatmate has the notion that the wireless drivers will give better performance if compiled into the kernal. the question is... is it a noticable performance in increase. I'm not so sure
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20:39<gravity>I seriously doubt it
20:39<gravity>You'll be far more bounded by the actual throughput of your wireless than a (possible) extra symbol table lookup
20:40<gravity>I'd be surprised if even that was necessary though
20:40<aicos>maybe he was referring to the drain on the processor
20:41<aicos>more CPU cycles
20:41<gravity>But doing what?
20:41<gravity>It's the same driver.
20:41<aicos>downloading warez... who knows :)
20:42<gravity>Loadable modules aren't some mysterious force that magically causes extra CPU cycles.
20:43<aicos>why do I keep hearing from people that it give better performance to include the drivers in the kernal then? I've always thought modules are the way to go myself
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20:43<dondelelcaro>people have all sorts of insane ideas about things to do to increase performance
20:43<gravity>aicos: What people?
20:44<aicos>gravity: good question
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20:46<aicos>I put too much trust in people :P
20:47*gravity goes to see if the kernel has an extra symbol table dereference when drivers are loaded as modules
20:47<craigevil>having the modules in the kernel only helps with boot speed nothing else
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20:48<dondelelcaro>I'd actually even be surprised if it helped with that much
20:48<gravity>Yeah, I always thought they were mainly to allow for booting prior to fs mounting
20:48<ranix>yeah, people do retarded things to "boost performance"
20:49<ranix>it's like a witch doctor in central africa sacrificing chickens to appease the gods
20:49<craigevil>probably not much but people running netbooks like the eee swear by it, although most of them only beat my speed by a couple of seconds normal debian kernel
20:50<dondelelcaro>I think there are a lot of places to look first for increasing boot speed than kernel modules...
20:51<Wooly_>anyone worked with AFP on debian before?
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21:07<kaj>hey all
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21:08<kaj>so if i were to start teaching a class on linux what would be the best distro to use ubuntu, fedora or debian the orginal?
21:08<LostPlanet>how do i get flash 9 to work with ice weasel. i got a .deb file which is for ubuntu, but can it work for debian ? how would i install from just a .deb file ?
21:08<LostPlanet>kaj : probably the one you are most familiar / comfortable with
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21:09<kaj>you just open with the deb manager or go to add/remove and look for all availible it should be listed in the repositories
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21:09<LostPlanet>you could also use one as the main "distro" and offer notes as to where / how the others differ in certain areas
21:09<LostPlanet>like ubunut's no root is confusing sometimes
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21:10<kaj>well im good for them all im just thinking most of the older folks will have a learning curve
21:10<soldado>hi all
21:10<kaj> hey
21:11<LostPlanet>kaj: learning curve will be probably similar for them all. setup may be different if they are going to install the os themselves
21:11<LostPlanet>but if they are just using it then they are pretty similar
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21:11<kaj>good point
21:11<LostPlanet>alos depends on hardware they are installing onto
21:12<LostPlanet>be ncie to have hardware that just 'works'
21:12<LostPlanet>with the os you pick
21:12<kaj>i think ubuntu would be best closer to windows for intsallation and more hardware support for the x86 setups
21:12<LostPlanet>i installed debian lenny on this laptop
21:12<LostPlanet>it had a graphical install
21:12<LostPlanet>and detected all hardware fine except for the wifi which i got owrking
21:13<kaj>i got 5 distros on my machine on a vm
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21:13<LostPlanet>you could alos try knoppix if they don't want to have a permanent install on their machine
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21:13<LostPlanet>if they have enough ram it can be ran in RAM
21:13<LostPlanet>using a flash drive for storage
21:14<LostPlanet>yea. also might be interesting to have them try each one
21:14<kaj>ya the comps are being supplied by the community center so im thinkin either debian or ubuntu better support for hardware
21:14<LostPlanet>so are you going to install the os yourself before they use the compputers ?
21:15<kaj>no ill be working with blanks and intalls to setup and usage
21:15<LostPlanet>so your going to have the students do the install
21:15<kaj>there all dells if it helps( eww dells) but as for resources i dont know
21:16<kaj>ya the students will be doing the install
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21:16<LostPlanet>are the machines all goign ot be the exact same or will they be different models / makes ?
21:16<LostPlanet>if they are the same you could at least test out each os first
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21:16<kaj>all dells so i assume all the same from some liquidation or buy out\
21:17<LostPlanet>yea. probably debian or ubuntu will work fine
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21:17<kaj>kk thx for the input really helped its my first time teaching linux lol
21:17<LostPlanet>ok. no problem
21:17<kaj>laters all
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21:23<Wooly_>need some opinions on what'll be faster: mdadm or a dedicated RAID card?
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21:28<dondelelcaro>Wooly_: generally speaking, a real raid card will be faster
21:28<Wooly_>dondelelcaro: thanks :)
21:28<dondelelcaro>however, in many circumstances the extra speed isn't particularly needed
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21:28<Wooly_>i'm considering ditching mdadm
21:29<dondelelcaro>(or the cost/benifit analysis is just wrong for what you're doing)
21:29<Wooly_>I cant seem to fix jerky streaming from the NAS
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21:30<dondelelcaro>Wooly_: streaming of what?
21:30<dondelelcaro>there's almost no way that mdadm wouldn't be fast enough to saturate 100mbit links, which should be enough to stream most anything
21:30<Wooly_>you're going to shoot me, but AVI files
21:30<lsdhfsofd0>hey. for games, would a box with 1x3.2GHz or one with 2x2.2GHz be better? or is it more complicated than that?
21:30<dondelelcaro>lsdhfsofd0: depends on the game
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21:31<lsdhfsofd0>anything more specific? or are you referring to system requirements?
21:31<dondelelcaro>Wooly: you can easily stream most reasonable avi files using mdadm
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21:31<dondelelcaro>lsdhfsofd0: depends on whether the game is multithreaded or not
21:31<Wooly>dondelelcaro: I just cant seem to get my configuration right then :(
21:31<pah>and the other hardware
21:31<Wooly>I've tried AFP using netatalk, SMB and NFS
21:31<pah>graphics card etc
21:31<Wooly>VLC, mPlayer and Quicktime on the MacBook, and it's always jerky
21:31<dondelelcaro>Wooly: NFS or even plain old http will work
21:31<dondelelcaro>Wooly: what medium are you streaming over?
21:32<Wooly>ethernet 100mb
21:32<lsdhfsofd0>i've noticed that usually i have to disable multithreading because a game runs too fast
21:32<dondelelcaro>Wooly: and do the files play fine on the NAS?
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21:32<dondelelcaro>any modern game that "plays to fast" is busted
21:32<Wooly>i keep getting dropped frames
21:33<dondelelcaro>Wooly: on the NAS?
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21:33<Wooly>yes, but not nearly as much as on the client
21:33<Wooly>I get dropped frames when the drives are seeking
21:33<Wooly>(4x1tb drives in RAID5)
21:34<dondelelcaro>well, using raid5 and mdadm is the most performance intensive setup you can have
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21:34<Wooly>ahh, is that so?
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21:34<dondelelcaro>since unlike raid10 or similar, it actually requires doing something with the data
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21:34<pah>if I try tu watch anime on my eeepc while over wireless i get dropped frames, too
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21:35<pah>but i think that's more the low-end computer at fault
21:35<Wooly>do you know if there is any way to improve performance?
21:35<dondelelcaro>but it still should be more than good enough to send 4G out in an hour, which is all you need to do
21:35<pah>add more caching?
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21:35<dondelelcaro>(unless you're watching HD avi's or something)
21:35<pah>i simply add 400MB cache in mplayer :)
21:35<Wooly>700mb AVIs
21:35<pah>then 700 MB cache
21:35<dondelelcaro>Wooly: of hour long movies, no doubt?
21:35<pah>you *have* enough ram, right? ^^
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21:36<Wooly>around an hour and a half probably
21:36<Wooly>i have 512 megs of RAM
21:36<dondelelcaro>Wooly: time sh -c 'cat foo.avi > /dev/null';
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21:37<dondelelcaro>Wooly: so long as it takes less than an hour, your disks are more than fast enough
21:37<dondelelcaro>(here, about 700M takes around 16 seconds)
21:38<Wooly>sh -c 0.06s user 4.28s system 20% cpu 21.488 total
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21:38<dondelelcaro>so there you go
21:38<dondelelcaro>not your filesystem that's the problem
21:38<Wooly>well that's a relief :D
21:39<Wooly>i dont need to splash out hah
21:39<dondelelcaro>so most likely your problem is either 1) machine is too slow 2) network problems 3) operating system on macintosh sucks
21:41<Wooly>i'll give it a bash from another linux machine tomorrow
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21:41<Wooly>thanks :)
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21:47<dondelelcaro>Wooly: I'd also suggest testing it with a machine plugged directly into the NAS with a known good ethernet cable
21:47<Wooly>will do, thanks!
21:49<bruno>this program is exactly what
21:49<bruno>my interrogation isn't working
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21:53<bruno>something like an msn?
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21:57<pah>!dpkg pubkey
21:57<pah>!debhelper pubkey
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22:04<aMuleAduGuest131>hi there
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22:24<nicfbi>allo tous le monde
22:24<nicfbi>hi all
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22:31<gpb>my aptitude says it has no pubkey for lenny/volatile
22:31<gpb> debian-archive-keyring is installed
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22:31<gpb>volatile web page has only keys for etch and sarge(!)
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22:37<gpb>any ideas how to change?
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22:58<BenOman>Oh wow, it's been so long since I've been on irc
22:58<BenOman>I think you all are swell, have a great night!
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22:59<StatusQuote>hey all, i'm curious about something. why does it take longer to fail password authentication than pass it?
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23:00<SJr>Lol why does Ubuntus XChat package brig me here
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23:00<craigevil>because the ubuntu maintainer is too lazy to fix it so it points to #ubuntu rather than #debian
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23:02<StatusQuote>it takes the same amount of time to digest a password whether it's correct or not, doesn't it? is it making multiple attempts, is it an intentional delay to make password guessing harder, or what?
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23:13<StatusQuote>guess i should try reading the source... which package deals with password auth.?
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23:15<Cadmandu>no me anda el sonido de ubuntustudio como lo arreglo?
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23:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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23:18<el>no me anda el sonido de ubuntustudio como lo arreglo?
23:18<dpkg>please speak english when in #debian so everyone can understand you. If you want to use another language, join #debian-<countrycode>
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23:20<philsf>gee, it was not even about ubuntu...
23:20<StatusQuote>I should have done spanish
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23:20<Gun_Smoke>how long ago did oftc become the official debian channel?
23:21<philsf>StatusQuote: what's the point, he wouldn't get help in any #debian-*, and he's in the wrong network for ubuntu-*
23:22<StatusQuote>well at least #debian-es could have told him that in Spanish
23:22<gsimmons>!tell Gun_Smoke -about oftc move
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23:23<philsf>I just tested creating encrypted swaps in d-i. if it's so easy, and if it's stable, why isn't it default, or even recommended explicitly?
23:24<philsf>(btw, kudos to the d-i team!)
23:25<Gun_Smoke>gsimmons, thanks for that.. the 'why' link from the bot is dead.. I'm thinking it's because gentoo powers freenode from what I understand.. lol..
23:26<gsimmons>Gun_Smoke: The links in that factoid WFM.
23:27<Gun_Smoke>WFM = work for me? = 404
23:28<gsimmons>Gun_Smoke: You're missing a bit at the end. Specifically, the message number.
23:29<Gun_Smoke>gsimmons, well I only have what the bot spit out and that is it..
23:29<Gun_Smoke>gsimmons wants you to know: somebody said oftc move was moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See
23:31<Gun_Smoke>StatusQuote, thank you. anyone maintain that bot that can catch that?
23:31<StatusQuote>I got that full link from the bot
23:33<Gun_Smoke>I'm talking about the last link. It is a 404
23:33<Gun_Smoke>from the bot
23:34<StatusQuote>I did "tell me -about oftc move" and i got the full link, not the 404 one
23:35<StatusQuote>so i don't think the bot is faulty
23:37<Gun_Smoke>I'm really confused then.. starting about 9 lines up (in a full screen xchat) I pasted the msg I received from the bot. The last sentence contains, "What to know why?" that is 404.
23:38<StatusQuote>yes, I got the same message but it included the complete url
23:38<philsf>i also got the full link
23:38<philsf>!oftc move
23:38<dpkg>well, oftc move is moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See
23:39<Gun_Smoke>Ah.. Okay. It was truncated from g in msg for me
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23:43<Gun_Smoke>well still someone slap the bot around for giving info that is bullocks
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23:43<StatusQuote>Gun_Smoke: it could be anything between the bot and your IRC client as well
23:44<Gun_Smoke>I'd stand here and blame it on the bot till I'm blue in the face.
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23:49<mike_>hello all
23:49<Gun_Smoke>yo mike_
23:49<StatusQuote>hi mike
23:49<mike_>hey anyone know how to use the "net" commands
23:49<mike_>mine dont seem to work ?
23:49<mike_>like if im not mistakin there is netbios command in linux?
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23:51<StatusQuote>netbios is a protocol, isn't it?
23:52<mike_>im not sure i know ive used commands
23:52<mike_>haha i did in etch before anyway
23:52<mike_>im on lenny now and am not sure what i used
23:52<StatusQuote>you probably used a package that provides that command
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23:53<mike_>im thinking so
23:53<mike_>maybe samba?
23:53<StatusQuote>yes, maybe
23:53<mike_>hmm lemme check it out
23:53<StatusQuote>i was just looking at that
23:54<dpkg>worst protocol evar!
23:55<mike_>hmm well samaba didnt do it
23:56<StatusQuote>you might want to take a look at apt-file
23:56<StatusQuote>it can tell you which package a file is in
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23:57<philsf>or search in packages.d.o
23:57<StatusQuote>you're welcome
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23:58<Vantage13>hi, where in the kde control center can you setup xinerama? (kde 3.5.10)
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