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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-01-27

---Logopened Tue Jan 27 00:00:21 2009
---Daychanged Tue Jan 27 2009
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00:02<twb>dondelelcaro: looks like using cdebootstrap is hangs forever if I include udev (either directly, or indirectly via --include linux-image-686) :-(
00:02<dondelelcaro>twb: bummer
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00:03<twb>Bloody annoying, more like :P
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00:09<twb>dondelelcaro: hmm, s/lenny/etch/ and it works, even with udev :-/
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00:13<Guest28>Linux newbie (windows veteran): OS=Knoppix: does anyone know why X shuts down right before the GUI kicks in when booting from a persistant home directory? Additionally, ctrl+alt+bksp leaves the shell but automatically restarts the shell. [booting via thumbdrive...home dir on secondary thumbdrive]
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00:22<carton>i couldn't find a #java chan anywhere
00:22<carton>thought maybe one of you guys could help with this. seems like a simple config problem
00:22<carton>Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
00:22<carton> We cannot execute :/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-
00:23<carton>yeah. i exported like three locations and it looks like they all became part of the JAVA_HOME environmental variable. not sure how to change that back to just the one i want or which one it is that i want either.
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00:24<Guest28>carton: how did you get to this channel? as far as I can tell nobody here is talking...except you and me of course
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00:26*carton pokes dr|z3d
00:26<twb>!tell carton about knoppix
00:27<carton>where did you get knoppix from?
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00:27<twb>carton: sorry, wrong person
00:27<twb>!tell Guest28 about knoppix
00:28<Guest28>carton: I got knoppix from sourceforge (i think...I may be wrong).
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00:30<Guest28>twb: what does "!tell" mean? I'm used to mIRC and so not sure if this client (Konversation) is showing me what I should be seeing
00:31<metalqga>'!tell tells dpkg to tell you sth
00:31<metalqga>!hi dpkg
00:31<dpkg>Test Failed.
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00:31<metalqga>ops I need to read the man of dpkg :)
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00:33<Supaplex>!curse freenode
00:33<dpkg>May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, freenode!
00:34<metalqga>why is that?
00:34<Supaplex>it's split. :)
00:34<metalqga>I noticed everybody uses freenode except for us :P
00:35<aetheria>why does freenode seem to have issues like every few hours. i've never seen one here.
00:35<dmoerner>it's more than just a split this time\
00:35<duraperidol>i have
00:35<metalqga>!curse everybody except for us
00:35<duraperidol>i use screen at freenode, oftc, and efnet
00:35<dpkg>May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, everybody except for us!
00:35<dmoerner>in my experience netsplits are more common on oftc than on freenode
00:35<dmoerner>but freenode occasionally has big shutdowns like right now
00:35<duraperidol>oftc has more netsplits then ye think
00:35<duraperidol>i have my own ircds
00:35<duraperidol>so it doesn't bother me ^^
00:36<metalqga>now I get the point, thanks!
00:36<aetheria>i never really notice disruptions here
00:36<Guest28>thanks to whichever command sent me the dpkg message...kinda messed up though that this channel is joined automatically by Konversation in my distro of knoppix
00:36<twb>Guest28: that's because Knoppix is retarded.
00:36<metalqga>Guest28 this is a common problem
00:37<twb>Knoppix still has dummy upgrade packages from slink in it
00:37<Guest28>I like it because it has an assload of software that I can explore...but yeah...I probably need a switch
00:38<twb>Guest28: all of Knoppix' software comes from Debian
00:38<twb>If you want a live CD, see
00:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian-live is live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is gaining significant functionality and stability as development continutes. Homepage: , or irc://
00:39<Guest28>[on the subject of of irc disruptions]: I have never been on the wrong end of a split go figure
00:41<metalqga>maybe those who "disconnect" are the ones who stay online and you are the one who is on the wrong end? :P
00:41<dpkg>i heard live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. and #debian-live on (, or
00:41<dmoerner>Guest28: maybe that's because if you don't automatically switch to your registered nick when you log in to a foreign system, then you don't use irc enough to get hit by net splits :)
00:42<Guest28>I thought that at one time but everyone I ever saw rejoin was bitching about being kicked and I always saw all of the convos that mattered
00:42<chealer>dpkg: no, debian live is <reply>The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. and #debian-live on OFTC (
00:42<dpkg>chealer: okay
00:42<scientes>wow freenod eis fail
00:42<chealer>dpkg: no, live is <reply>see debian live
00:42<dpkg>okay, chealer
00:42<chealer>dpkg: no, debian-live is <reply>see debian live
00:42<dpkg>chealer: okay
00:43<twb>lilo RIP, freenode cannot carry on without ye
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00:45<snogglethorpe>hm so it wasn't just me?
00:45<snogglethorpe>freenode's actually down?
00:45<Guest28>oh...i get it '!' + <something> = command to this irc server (or to something I've missed being absent from IRC for 3 years)
00:45<Supaplex>dpkg: bot
00:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
00:45<Supaplex>meh. too fast. :P
00:45<Supaplex>it's a trigger for dpkg only
00:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
00:45<dmoerner>Guest28: !tell Guest28 -about something is the same as /msg dpkg something
00:46<dmoerner>except you can use !tell to tell anyone else something
00:46<Supaplex>irc 101 ^.^
00:46<dmoerner>or if you want to be really fancy, you do !+tell person -about something
00:46<Supaplex>you fail.
00:46<dmoerner>!listkeys bitch
00:46<dpkg>Factoid search of 'bitch' by key (15 of 28): CMD: bitchslap (.*?) ;; bitch at me ;; bitches ;; bitchin ;; bitchslap ;; bitchslap dpkg ;; bitchx ;; bitchx flood ;; bitchx-hurd ;; bitchxignore ;; cocksuckingbitch ;; pci bitch ;; son of a bitch ;; whose bitch ;; xbitchx.
00:47<Guest28>!tell Supaplex -I'm a bitch
00:48<JordiGH>!son of a bitch
00:48<dpkg>wow, no i'm not son of your mother :)
00:48<Supaplex>that'd be dondelelcaro. :)
00:49<JordiGH>!bitchslap dpkg
00:49*dpkg bitchslaps dpkg around the room
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00:50<Guest28>dammit...what made dpkg PM me "No, guest28, I won't. (target invalid?)"? was that mine?
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00:52<Guest28>[thinks out loud]: maybe I shouldn't start these convos whilst inebriated
00:53<Guest28>sorry...I forget what the action irc command is...for the reason above
00:55<Guest28>Why did god create Adam before he created eve?
00:55<Supaplex>alt+faxmachine all in sequence?
00:56<Supaplex>he saved the best for last?
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00:56<Guest28>Because he didn't want anyone telling him how to make Adam
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00:59<Guest28>What doesn't belong in this list : Meat, Eggs, Wife, Blowjob?
00:59<darkhack>hey all
01:00<Novice>Hello, First time here. This is cool!
01:00<darkhack>anyone know can help me get my internal mic working?
01:01<twb>!tell darkhack -about anyone
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01:01<Guest28>wow...did I ever tell a joke at the wrong time
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01:02<Guest28>twb: is your job to indirectly tell the newbies to fuck off?
01:03<Supaplex>Guest28: how about....
01:03<Guest28>!tell Guest28 -about anyone
01:03<Supaplex>nm me.
01:04<twb>Guest28: yes
01:04<Supaplex>it's just one element of the 'how to ask smart questions'. saves them and us work from digging closer to the heart of the issue.
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01:05<Guest28>ahhh...wish I had that when I was tech support at aol
01:05<twb>Guest28: we're all volunteers providing support free-of-charge, and it's our right to optimize that help: rewarding people who know how to ask smart questions.
01:05<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
01:06<streuner_>dont feed
01:06<twb>streuner_: sorry.
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01:06<twb>streuner_: sometimes I give people the benefit of doubt regarding ignorance vs. malice.
01:06<Guest28>streuner_: he's not feeding
01:07<snogglethorpe>and while you're at it, check out
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01:07<streuner_>so ask a Debian question, sorry, but i cannot see a question about Debian...
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01:08<Guest28>streuner_: from me?
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01:10<Guest28>ok...(probably starting an argument)...what's the best debian or debian based distro for a windows power user and lightweight, longterm programmer to convert to linux permanently?
01:11<metalqga>what is a power user?
01:11<metalqga>how much can he lift?
01:11<streuner_>Guest28: what do you expect in #debian, what kind of answer?
01:12<metalqga>guest #debian-offtopic
01:13<Guest28>ok...let me rephrase....poweruser='original dos user that has grown up with winblows until it was too late to easily learn something better'
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01:13<Supaplex>debian, debian, and debian.
01:13<streuner_>Guest28: most developers just use Debian and we too. If you are able to read and able to learn just start with Debian.
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01:14<Guest28> far, from my experience...I expect some cocky yet intuitive remarks
01:14<metalqga>guest start reading about bash
01:14<Supaplex>ask gentoo and see if you get less cocky remarks.
01:14<metalqga>or *bsd
01:15<Guest28>lol...tried gentoo...didn't quite work
01:15<Supaplex>Guest28: I consider myself a pretty demanding user of my OS. I install debian everywhere.
01:15<metalqga>well for a long time programmer gentoo is a kid's play
01:16<metalqga>so a power user is a man who can type format c:/ in dos?
01:16<Guest28>like I said longterm (but lightweight). I have been active and inactive for years and I'm always beind
01:17<Guest28>metalqga: no offense but f off
01:17<Supaplex>if you want to ask endless theory questions, then supposedly anything will do.
01:17<Supaplex>debian base installs are fairly conservative.
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01:18<Guest28>Every time I try to use a linux distro I get stuck when something fundamental doesn't work (like my current knoppix problem). I love linux, I just can't use it beyond the level of dipshit GUI user
01:19<jm_>there's a solution for that
01:19<avu>Guest28, well, if that bothers you, change it.
01:19<Guest28>Supaplex: my question was bullshit...
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01:19<avu>Guest28, the documentation is free and plenty
01:19<Guest28>avu: can''s my recovery system at the moment
01:20<Guest28>avu: and as for documentation...I see lots of it but again...the problems I usually have I can never find the answers to in a general search
01:21<avu>Guest28, well, start by just reading the documentation og the software you use, not just looking for a specific problem
01:22<metalqga>!curse reading
01:22<dpkg>May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, reading!
01:22<avu>Guest28, if you're always just troubleshooting, learning the basics will be hard and take a long time
01:23<Guest28>avu: that's the biggest problem...weird problems seem to find me in any situation
01:23<avu>I'm off. And beginning to see either a troll or a classic help vampire. ~
01:24<Guest28>I don't know anyone but me that has had OOo freeze all but the mouse in linux
01:24<jm_>could just be shit driver
01:25<jm_>or crap hardware
01:26<Guest28>no...more like hardware that I've touched.
01:26<Guest28>I don't find bugs...they find me
01:26<jm_>sounds similar to some feller I know on IRC
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01:30<Guest28>as an example...I don't know how many people here have experience with windows...but the current issue I'm having is that I can't run chkdsk because the drive is locked and I can't shutdown with a the shutdown command because my admin account doesn't seem to have the right privaleges
01:31<Guest28>that's like running something from root and getting a permissions error (besides the few things windows doesn't let admins do because it's stupid)
01:31<jm_>that's easily doable with linux too
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01:33<Guest28>jm_: which? the use of simple, fundamental admin commands?
01:33<jm_>Guest28: the root thing
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01:35<Guest28>jm_: linux would prevent the use of a filesystem check by root? (without special malicious intent)
01:37<metalqga>fsck on a mounted fs is dangerous
01:38<Supaplex>metalqga: supposedly readonly is not so much of a problem, but I've heard it both ways.
01:38<jm_>Guest28: not by default no, but it can be achieved if you screw up
01:38<Supaplex>I think you could write a selinux policy to accomplish that. but why? if it's damanged, you put the filesystem at risk by ignoring it.
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01:39<Guest28>metalqga: how do you run fsck on the root drive? (rebooting not included because that's part of the problem)
01:39<jm_>rescue medium
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01:40<Guest28>again...this problem shouldn't exist in windows either but that's an experience I've had
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01:40<twb>!tell Guest28 about RUTE
01:41<Guest28>can't use a rescue medium because I can't make one because the drive I'm using is corrupted unless I boot off of it
01:41<jm_>you sure seem to be using a working computer
01:41<Supaplex>I thought you were using a live cd anyway...
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01:42<Supaplex>well, if you were really SOL, maybe you could init 1, umount regular fs but / (proc, tmpfs are special
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01:43<Guest28>jm_: I'm using the knoppix live cd without a home directory and without the use of most of my computer's facilities (wireless, bluetooth, normal display, etc)
01:43<Supaplex>and debootstrap the tmpfs, use pivot_root and fsck after unmounting the old /
01:43<jm_>Guest28: good enough for recovery then
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01:43<Supaplex>Guest28: are you trying to check the windows filesystems?
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01:44*duraperidol loves debootstrap
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01:45<Guest28>Supaplex: In the case of linux...I can't use init below 5 because it attempts to restart X or shutdown no matter what. And in the windows case...even the windows software can't seem to recover the file system errors (likely caused from a different reason)
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01:46<Guest28>twb: yes...that's what I'd love to do
01:46<twb>!goodbye-microsoft is a .exe that installs Debian from Windows <>
01:46<dpkg>okay, twb
01:46<Supaplex>Guest28: the windows fs can't be helped in Linux. ask ##windows
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01:47<dpkg>[debian.exe] the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig).
01:47<Guest28>I know that...I brought up windows only to describe the idea of bugs finding me
01:48<twb>!no goodbye-microsoft is see debian.exe
01:48<dpkg>okay, twb
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01:48<Guest28>I would install debian...but I can't afford to if I can't get certain things to run and keep running into probs
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01:49<Supaplex>you are a defeatist.
01:49<jm_>it can be attempted, there's fsck for fat and ntfs for Linux
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01:49<Guest28>I need this computer for school and as is most of our required software doesn't seem to have linux equivs. I'd love for my school to be the first all linux campus
01:50<jm_>so install both
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01:51<Guest28>Supaplex: No...I'm not...I keep trying linux and weird shit keeps happening that I can't find the answers to. things that are part of the internet and drive access.
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01:52<Guest28>jm_: tried dual boot...the windows domain controller that my school uses doesn't allow it (it shouldn't have a say but it does)
01:52<Supaplex>but you can't afford to install Debian if you run into problems?
01:52<jm_>Guest28: LOL
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01:53<Supaplex>this is funny.
01:53<Supaplex>this is qotd material
01:53<Guest28>Supaplex: I can't afford to learn debian on my own with no help with my current schedule
01:53<avu>Guest28, why are you here anyway?
01:54<avu>Guest28, do you just want to complain/whine or do you have a goal of some kind?
01:54<Supaplex>!confort Guest28
01:54<dpkg>There, there, supaplex. Guest28 will give a spelling checker for your birthday.
01:54<jm_>looks like he's just seeking comfort
01:54<Supaplex>!comfort Guest28
01:54<dpkg>There, there, Guest28. It's OK. I'm here for you.
01:54<Guest28>avu: because the IRC software in my knoppix distro brought me here...and I started chatting because I trust IRC (go figure)
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01:55<avu>Guest28, erm, what? That doesn't answer my question at all. :)
01:55<avu>well, ok, maybe it does. In that case, the answer would be 'you just want to complain/whine' :)
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01:56<Guest28>avu: how long have you been viewing the channel? I started out with a simple question
01:56<avu>Guest28, you know, you're in a support channel. People here expect you to have specific problems and actually be looking for a practical solution.
01:57<avu>Guest28, well, you don't seem to be seeking an answer though. you just keep going on about imagined problems of yours that nobody can really help you with :)
01:57<Guest28>I didn't know it wasn't debian based (and at the time didn't know I was in #debian because I'm not used to this irc software.
01:58<Guest28>I'm only responding the best I can to repeated statements and some insults
01:59<Supaplex>I'm too lazy to read my backlog. I'm sure someone asked you already. What are you here for?
01:59<Supaplex>and why am I letting myself into this resource trap?
02:00<avu>Supaplex, that's the question my current conversation with him started with :)
02:01<Supaplex>ahh yes. I'm not sure how we're expected to help that sort of problem. We even suggested installing Debian. sounds like there's no way to make that work. I give up. What's next?
02:01<Guest28>Supaplex: no...this is the first time I was asked
02:02<Guest28>here...this was the original post (00:15)
02:02<Guest28>Linux newbie (windows veteran): OS=Knoppix: does anyone know why X shuts down right before the GUI kicks in when booting from a persistant home directory? Additionally, ctrl+alt+bksp leaves the shell but automatically restarts the shell. [booting via thumbdrive...home dir on secondary thumbdrive]
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02:02<avu>Guest28, except when I asked t about 7 minutes ago? :)
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02:02<avu>anyway, enough keeping myself from getting any work done by feeding some trollish creature. bye again. :)
02:02<Guest28>sorry...trying to keep trak of everyone who had comments over the last 2 hours
02:03<twb>Guest28: just pay attention to me, then
02:03<twb>I'm the most important
02:03<Supaplex>Debian doesn't do it that way.
02:03<Guest28>Supaplex: do you mean the channel or the distro (or both)?
02:04<Supaplex>the distro doesn't play that way, in response to your question
02:05<Supaplex>well.. the persistant home directory thing threw me off. If it were Debian, you'd be troubleshooting X. checking the X logs, reconfiguring it, maybe reinstall it or drivers.
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02:07<csg2>anybody wanna help me get my wifi going?
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02:07<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
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02:07<Guest28>sorry...that's probably a knoppix only thing. a lot of that I'd like to do but I really don't know how...every time I try to get going I get stuck somewhere and can't find help
02:08<Guest28>is there a way to install debian on a thumb drive? It's the only way I'd be able to test it easily.
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02:08<Supaplex>yea. check the install guide.
02:08<jm_>yes, there's even debian-live
02:08<csg2>ralink rt2500
02:08<Supaplex>!tell Guest28 -about i-g
02:08<jm_>ala knoppix
02:08<gsimmons>!tell csg2 -about rt2500
02:09<jm_>shouldn't it be rt2x00?
02:09<Supaplex>Guest28: eg, /msg dpkg debian-live
02:09<csg2>the chipset is rt2500. the newer driver is rt2x00
02:09<csg2>my chipset is 2500
02:09<jm_>right, so ask dpkg about it or read the wiki page for it
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02:10<Guest28>Supplex: thank you...once I get my main OS set back up I'll try to replace my thumb drive with debian
02:11<csg2>well my question is if I get an error in dmesg about how irg 18 nobody cared and one of the affected modules was the rt2500pci would this prevent the wifi from working
02:11<jm_>possibly, you can check which IRQ it's using in /proc/interrupts - sometimes "irqpoll" kernel option helps with the above problem
02:12<jm_>lspci also lists IRQ-s if your driver is not loaded yet
02:12<csg2>irqpoll seems to lock up the laptop this is on
02:12<Guest28>additional question...there's a few apps I still want from knoppix. how would I install them in debian (they seem knoppix specific...kstars, etc)
02:12<Supaplex>!tell Guest28 -about search
02:13<Supaplex>with aptitude install <package>
02:13<jm_>Guest1189: they aren't - Debian also has it
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02:13<jm_>maybe try more recent kernel, there's shitloads of other kernel parameters to try
02:14<Guest28>tried aptitude before but it couldn't find the image
02:14<Supaplex>Guest28: chances are you can use dd to clone one of the existing images onto the usb drive, then use gparted etc to grow the filesystem to the size of the drive.
02:14<Supaplex>!tell Guest28 -about sources.list
02:15<csg2>i don't see the ralink in /proc/interrupts
02:15<Guest28>that might help...I'll try it
02:15<csg2>i do see the via at the irq that complains in dmesg
02:15<jm_>it will only show up there once the driver has been loaded and found the card on that irq
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02:15<Supaplex>Guest28: failing that, if it's not on pdo, you'll have to figure out where it came from. as long as it's not already installed, you can install stuff from source. (use the debian packages were possible to save the clean up mess)
02:17<Guest28>I still haven't been able to install anything from source. (I want to try one of the manuals for a barebones linux system that I found when I get a chance)
02:17<csg2>so lspci shows 00:09.0
02:17<csg2>is that irq 9?
02:17<jm_>use lspci -v to see the IRQ-s
02:17<jm_>naah, that's bus ID
02:18<Guest28>one last question...I seem to never be able to get my wireless card to work...It's recognized but never grabs an ip (intel proset wireless 45xx [sorry...can't think of the model offhand])
02:18<csg2>cool. lspci -v gives 18 as the irq
02:19<csg2>for the ralink
02:20<csg2>the VGA compatible controller is also at 18
02:20<csg2>so this is a dumb ol irq conflict?
02:20<Supaplex>!lart irq conflict
02:20*dpkg pushes the wall down onto irq conflict whilst whistling innocently
02:21<jm_>csg2: shouldn't be really
02:21<csg2>Supaplex, i don't understand
02:22<Supaplex>dpkg was just helping you punish the irq conflict. :)
02:22<dpkg>wish i knew, Supaplex
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02:23<Supaplex>dpkg: Hi. I'm Supaplex. Now shut up!
02:23<dpkg>Supaplex: wish i knew
02:24<Guest28>Suplex: thank you for your help...finally I get something I can use.
02:24<csg2>ok so i have two things that say they are on irq 18. one of them works, the video and the other doesn't, the ralink card
02:24<jm_>is anyone listed in /proc/interrupts?
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02:25<Guest28>jm_: thanks for trying
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02:25*Supaplex spys opencubicplayer and goes oouuUUuuuu nice.
02:25<Guest28>avu: ya probably would make a good call center tech...patience is the key there
02:25<Guest28>night all
02:26<csg2>ther is a proc/interrupts file. 18 has the via@pci
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02:26<jm_>did you try using ralink driver without via driver loaded?
02:27<csg2>no. presumably i would modprobe -r the via and then insert the ralink?
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02:27<jm_>alternatively blacklist it and prevent it from loading at all on boot
02:28<jm_>you also need to check what ralink driver says when you try and load it
02:28<jm_>(dmesg command)
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02:32<Diehardy>Hi everyone
02:33<Diehardy>What's up milk
02:33<Diehardy>what is this server all about?
02:33<milk>anyone know much about wireless cards on IBM laptops with Etch?
02:33<jm_>not another one
02:33<milk>helping people help themselves
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02:34<Diehardy>I need help with dealing with possible identity theft
02:34<gsimmons>milk: Ask for information, not people. What do you want to know?
02:35<Diehardy>I must change my name and my social security number, anyone know what steps to go by accomplishing that?
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02:36<milk>Im trying to get a Intel Pro 2200BG working on an old IBM X40, I apt-get the ipw2200-module package, but it doesnt seem to boot up with it. Wireless-tools installed. Is it a kernel recompile or is it something possibly simpler?
02:36<milk>looked at a few webpages, but they all loooked a little out of date
02:36<gsimmons>milk: You require firmware to be installed on your system, prior to the driver being loaded.
02:36<gsimmons>!tell milk -about ipw2200
02:36<milk>got it
02:37<milk>the ipw2200 package seems to have the firmware installed in the /usr/lib/firmware dir or something cant remember exactly
02:37<jm_>milk: there is no firmware package for etch
02:37<milk>not the right dir hang on, but I did check b4
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02:37<Supaplex>mmm something cutter?
02:37<milk>ok, gimme a lil while, I'll get back to you
02:38<jm_>milk: read what dpkg told you and verify everything is in its place
02:38<milk>ok ok... ignore me for a bit, I'll brb
02:42<milk>hmmm, the matrix is real
02:42<milk>I'll bbl l8r when I know what Im doing, thanks, you have helped. RTFM :)
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02:43<milk>ok, will give that a shot thanks for putting up with me
02:45<milk>Hailing from Western Australia here (btw), its hot and dry. I need water and sleep like death as they say.....
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02:48<milk>Guess you guys must get sick and tired of pesky people wanting help and wanting it now without the trouble eh?
02:49<Supaplex>!feed milk
02:49*dpkg serves up a lovely steak and ale pie to milk.
02:49<milk>never met a tech support who aint an amatuer psych
02:49<milk>but survival requirement alone
02:49*milk chows down......
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02:52<Supaplex>ouuu wow. I find a few years old backup of stuff I coded long time ago, and just assumed I had simply lost.
02:54<twb>Supaplex: is cdbs3 in there? ;-P
02:54<Supaplex>nope. there's a old qwest backend dsl prequalification scraper though :)
02:55<Supaplex>the same one that ended up in a phone call "Stop! You're hosing our cluster of 4 sql servers and some 10 jsp powered web servers!!!" hehe.
02:56<twb>Supaplex: ms sql?
02:56<twb>Supaplex: they deserve it
02:56<twb>I bet it was actually one access database
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02:57<Supaplex>lol :D sounds like it!
02:57<Supaplex>at first I was scraping about 10 numbers a second. we tried to talk them into two a minute (as fast as a normal human might follow through) but even after a day of that they locked our account out. heh
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02:59<Supaplex>hummm I have a ms2pg migration script. I never could figure out how to enumerate the mssql database names.. I think.
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03:02<twb>Supaplex: what were you scraping exactly?
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03:02<cq>hello, I jst set up an LVM an d am testing it by mounting /tmp, but fsck fails to check the logical volume (ext3) ... any ideas what fsck wants/needs? tmp is specified with a UUID in /etc/fstab
03:02<cq>the system then drops to a maintenance shell, and when I exit that boot is normal and /tmp is not mounted
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03:02<Supaplex>twb: my xboss needed to know if a number was qualified for qwest so we could sell them on arosnet.
03:03<Supaplex>twas an awesome isp in the valley before it changed ownership.
03:03<Supaplex>cq: is it listed in lvscan?
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03:04<cq>yes, it's listed there
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03:05<cq>so are var usr swap and home, which I haven't included in fstab yet, just wanted to test with tmp first
03:05<Supaplex>cq: same uuid from tune2fs -l /dev/mapper/foo-tmp ?
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03:06<cq>ah, no, I used the UUID from lvdisplay... why are they different???
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03:07<twb>cq: IIRC, yes
03:07<twb>cq: they are different because a partition is not the same as a filesystem
03:07<cq>ok, so I need to use the FS UUID and not the partition UUID.
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03:21<Supaplex>huzzah for renice 20 `pidof find` :)
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03:25<cq>ok, works now, thanks!
03:26<jm_>why do people use UUID-s? labels are so much more meaningful
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03:27<cq>what labels should I be using? /dev/mapper/lvmvolume-tmp etc ?
03:28<jm_>the one you set with e2label
03:28<cq>ok, what do you put in fstab then, just tmp or LABEL=tmp od something like that?
03:28<jm_>it's again FS label, not partition/volume/whatever LVM related
03:28<jm_>indeed, LABEL=foo syntax
03:30<twb>Grr, installing grub onto a machine that isn't bootable, via chroot, is continuing to fuck me.
03:30<jm_>how so?
03:30<twb>I do echo 'setup --prefix=/boot/grub --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd1) (hd1,0)' | grub
03:30<twb>It complains that /boot/grub/stage1 can't be found
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03:30<jm_>why don't you use grub-install instead?
03:31<twb>jm_: because grub-install can't find /dev, /boot/grub/ or /proc, and /etc/mtab is empty so its calls to df(1) die
03:31<jm_>twb: chroot, mount /proc and /sys in it, and it will work
03:32<jm_>make sure "nodev" is not use for that mount point
03:32<twb>jm_: given that all grub-install does it the above pipeline, I find that difficult to believe.
03:33<jm_>twb: it doesn't, it also copies fresh stage* copies, etc.
03:33<twb>jm_: from where?
03:34<twb># chroot /mnt grub-install '(hd1)'
03:34<twb> /dev/hdb1: Not found or not a block device.
03:35<twb>udev isn't running inside the chroot, see.
03:35<jm_>twb: try -- grub-install --recheck '(hd1)'
03:35<jm_>that shouldn't matter, you can always bind mount the real /dev
03:35<twb>Unknown partition table signature (about 10 times)
03:35<twb>The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
03:35<twb>...that's after --bind mounting /dev
03:36<twb>Also ln -s /proc/mounts /mnt/etc/mtab
03:36<cq>ok, now tmp is 755 instead of 1777 at mount time, how do I fix that? do I need to tell it that in fstab?
03:36<twb>cq: just chmod it
03:36<jm_>did you check the log in /tmp? /tmp/grub-install*
03:37<twb>grub> dump (hd1,0)/boot/grub/stage1 /tmp/grub1TUSyX
03:37<twb>Error 2: Bad file or directory type
03:37<twb>I partitioned /dev/hdb using cfdisk, FWIW
03:38<jm_>yeah that's a check that grub emulator can access stage1 file on installation device
03:38<twb>Once grub is installed, /dev/hdb will become /dev/hda.
03:38<twb>I wish it was easy to just tell grub to EXPECT that change
03:39<twb>I managed to do this last week with a USB key :-/
03:39<jm_>yeah it's normally not an issue - which disks does grub emulator list?
03:39<twb>jm_: how do I find out?
03:40<jm_>twb: run /sbin/grub, then do something simple as fstest (hd<tab>
03:40<jm_>or is it in /usr/sbin? I forgot
03:40<twb>jm_: it doesn't tab complete anything
03:40<twb>It moved to /usr/sbin in Etch
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03:43<jm_>twb: let me check something here
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03:47<twb>jm_: I'm going home in about ten minutes, so if you're gonna be longer than that don't worry on my account.
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03:48<somae7>our computer seems to have been infected by a webpage and now programs are started just by the mouse passing over them on the menu without clicking
03:48<jm_>twb: it really should list devices in emulator -- are you sure your /proc, /dev and /sys are properly mounted?
03:48<twb>jm_: they are
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03:48<twb>jm_: and /proc/partitions can see the disks and partitions
03:49<somae7>I tried restarting and it still does it
03:49<twb>somae7: are you running Debian?
03:49<jm_>twb: hmm now I'd need to look how GRUB is doing this in emulator
03:50<somae7>twb: yes
03:50<twb>somae7: Debian does not get "infected from a webpage"
03:50<twb>somae7: does the problem persist if you use a different mouse? How about if you create a new user, restart, then log in as that new user?
03:51<duraperidol>somae7: are you using windows?
03:51<Supaplex>!qotd 53
03:51<dpkg><Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman
03:51<duraperidol>that behaviour is very typical of ie + a warez / porno site
03:51<somae7>well - a few minutes ago I was looking at a web page and tried to go to the 2nd page of it and it wasn't going there - and then a warning came up but disappeared before I could read it - and suddenly I had this problem
03:51<duraperidol>what browser, os,
03:51<twb>duraperidol: he said he's running Debian
03:52<duraperidol>and do you have admin privs in the account you are currently logged in at?
03:52<somae7>the site was about how to repair gum tissue -
03:52<somae7>it was iceweasel
03:52<twb>Academic journals are only one step up from warez sites, in my experience
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03:52<duraperidol>more speficially, what release are you running?
03:52<twb>They do things like check your originating IP against a whitelist
03:52<twb>Or block you if they decide you are downloading articles "too fast"
03:53<twb>Or by user-agent
03:53<twb>Those jackasses are the reason for wikipedia and its sister sites.
03:53<somae7>duraper: I'm the only user
03:53<twb>But I'm not bitter...
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03:56<somae7>Linux TTIL 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
03:58<somae7>I'll try creating a new account and see what happens
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04:00<jm_>twb: did you check that it created?
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04:04<somae7>the new account doesn't have the problem
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04:05<somae7>and now it seems to have stopped on this one as well --
04:05<somae7>oh well - gotta go - later
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04:13<Supaplex>well now... where is that pesky makefile.
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04:24<ioukos>someone can help me with gnome?
04:25<cq>how can I see what volume is mounted as swap? It should be a LVM, but it doesn't show in DF or mount ...
04:25<ioukos>sudo fdisk -l
04:26<jm_>swapon -s
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04:26<cq>doesn't work, it's am LVM...
04:26<cq>swapon -s, thank!
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04:28<ioukos>i'm using gnome, can i uninstall evolution without uninstall gnome-desktop-environment?
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04:32<crazyb0y>Arruor: hey =)
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04:37<captain_kats>need some help, will I find here or on another channel?
04:37<crazyb0y>captain_kats: ask
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04:40<Supaplex>I assume I can hibernate my laptop to swap->lvm->encryption->real-disk ?
04:41<cq>what's the best way to copy an entire partition, rsync --archive?
04:41<cq>I'm moving stuff to LVMs
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04:42<jm_>Supaplex: uswsusp page has some docs about encrypted stuff
04:42<Supaplex>cq: I use rsync -avP
04:46<Supaplex>I had a more extensive backup script that was very specific on explict hardlinks, local hardlinks to older unchanged branches, no uid to user mapping and what not. hideous but neccessary for network snapshots :P (and leaner on disk space between generations)
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04:51<Supaplex>I wonder if there's a dpkg plugin for rsync to ignore binaries from installed deb files. humm
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05:03<cq>hm, can you migrate a VAR Filesystem from a live system? probably not a good idea to do a copy there...
05:03<cq>i.e. rsync --archive it to somewere and then change fstab and reboot
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05:17<Arruor>crazyb0y, hi :)
05:17<NBaH>enouf, Hi. Just to let you know: after some sleep of the computer, I have now s ... l ... o ... w refreshment on the onboard card (Nvidia) I defined as secondary. I'm going to explore AFAIC.
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05:22<m4dc0ckr04ch>hi all
05:22<m4dc0ckr04ch>need some help
05:23<m4dc0ckr04ch>i'm trinyg to compile the slapd debian package from source to suporte sql backends
05:23<m4dc0ckr04ch>but when i go to vim debian/rules i can't see anything related to sql
05:24<m4dc0ckr04ch>can somebody help me with this?
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05:28<jm_>m4dc0ckr04ch: well it's obviously not built wihth that
05:28<jm_>bb in 15
05:28<m4dc0ckr04ch>when i try to compilid it from
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05:29<m4dc0ckr04ch>but when i trey to apt-get install ldap-utils it gives indication that openldap is not instalade
05:30<mykhi>i accidently removed .Xauthority and cant start and new app ;< anway to re-create it? i have one console open luckly
05:30<petemc>m4dc0ckr04ch: you could use equivs to tell the package system you have it installed
05:31<petemc>mykhi: restart x?
05:31<mykhi>will it recreate it?
05:31<petemc>m4dc0ckr04ch: create a dummy package, read the docs for equivs
05:31<mykhi>...or wont start x's ;<
05:32<m4dc0ckr04ch>i will see the manual of equivs
05:33<m4dc0ckr04ch>but there inst any way to compile the slapd debian package with --enable-sql?
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05:38<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: edit the file debian/configure.options, edit debian/changelog to create a newer version (e.g. add a +m4d-1 to the end of the version number) and then build the package as normal (dpkg-buildpackge -uc -us -rfakeroot)
05:38<themill>!package recompile
05:38<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename 3) apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; (edit debian/rules to change compile options); (add entry to debian/changelog with version +yourname1 at the end) 5) cd ..; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us packagename 6) dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb
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05:45<m4dc0ckr04ch>i'm having dificultys to find the right field that i must change to the new build suport sql backends
05:45<m4dc0ckr04ch>i'm searching the debian/rules but i can't find anything related to sql...
05:45<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: I don't know what option exactly you need, but you mentioned --enable-sql earlier which is listed there.
05:46<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: it's not in debian/rules.... it's in debian/configure.options as I just said
05:46<m4dc0ckr04ch>yes but that is what i used when i tryied toi compileted from
05:46<m4dc0ckr04ch>hehe sorry... i'm noob in this debian system :D
05:47<m4dc0ckr04ch>so i have to uncomment the line related to sql, right?
05:47<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: each package is configured slightly differently. Often, it is done just in debian/rules so that's the first place to look, but openldap has a particularly large number of options and the maintainer has (IMO) created a very elegant way of dealing with that in the configure.options file
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05:49<m4dc0ckr04ch>i'm seing the configure.option
05:49<m4dc0ckr04ch>and the defualt for crypto suport it to be unable
05:49<m4dc0ckr04ch>but if i understand correctly the configure.options file
05:49<m4dc0ckr04ch>it says
05:50<m4dc0ckr04ch>#--enable-cryp enable crypt(3) passwords [no]
05:50<m4dc0ckr04ch>and after that line has
05:51<m4dc0ckr04ch>so if i don't comment this --enable -crypt the new build package will have crypto suport, right?
05:52<themill>it will support hashing passwords in the normal linux way (e.g. md5 hash) but that won't enable SSL or TLS support if that's what you're wanting.
05:52<m4dc0ckr04ch>no no ...
05:52<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: anyway, I've got to run off... good luck!
05:52<m4dc0ckr04ch>only thing to understand
05:53<m4dc0ckr04ch>heh tanks
05:53<m4dc0ckr04ch>i will try and learn :D
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06:00<solium>i'm having a propblem with an hpux i think she is tryng to ransform, herself into a human being...
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06:01<cq>hm, any idea why ubuntu has a much larger /lib than a debian install?
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06:03<jm_>ls shall enlighten you
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06:07<ceech1>how can i put up a photo i am having trouble they all seem to be too big
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06:09<ceech1>how can i put up a photo i am having trouble they all seem to be too big
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06:27<wxl_>hello! i am wxl ,how r u?
06:28<LL00>im' LL00
06:28<wxl_>i want to make some friends here,i am chinese.
06:28<LL00>ni hoa
06:29<wxl_>if you are free ,you can talk with me ,
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06:29<wxl_>LL:are you chinese?
06:29<wxl_>or not?
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06:29<wxl_>you should say ni hao
06:29<LL00>hum it's debain channel
06:30<wxl_>are you volunteer?
06:30<LL00>someone suggested me server
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06:31<LL00>there are people there who talked chinese
06:31<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
06:31<enouf>NBaH: s--l--o--w--l--y enjoyed refreshments can be a good thing :-)
06:31<LL00>I learned chinese
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06:31<wxl_>such as:?
06:31<wxl_>ni hao?
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06:32<wxl_>you typed ni hoa just a few minutes ago
06:32<enouf>leeloo .. is that you?
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06:32<amphi>g'day enouf
06:33<enouf>amphi: top of the mornin' to ya ;-)
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06:34<weasel>um. ok.
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06:38<leonardo_>Hi, I installed xfwm and would like to use it with gnome. Is there any chance to have this loaded automatically on gdm login
06:38<leonardo_>on session
06:39<leonardo_>Is there any visual program to choose which one loads on start?
06:39<leonardo_>example: openbox with xfce
06:40<leonardo_>an easy way to load which one start on login
06:40<NBaH>enouf, Yes, but it's not yet happy hour here (if that's what you mean)
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06:40<erKURITA>He means to be able to choose one Window Manager or the other
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06:41<jm_>leonardo_: you can create different sessions for gdm and then select them
06:41<leonardo_>jm_ how do this?
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06:41<jm_>leonardo_: check gdm config files and you'll see it there
06:41<leonardo_>remember i'm newbie
06:42<enouf>NBaH: right .. anyways; sounds like you lost dri?
06:42<leonardo_>jm_ do you know the name of file?
06:42<enouf>NBaH: or .. even no Video vRam is being allocated? if 2D as well
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06:43<jm_>leonardo_: the filename is gdm.conf, you should find more details in /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf and don't ask yes/no questions)
06:43<leonardo_>jm_ do not exist an gtk program that
06:43<jm_>leonardo_: hmm I am not aware of it, there's gdmsetup, but it's very limited in what it can do
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06:44<leonardo_>jm_ do not exist a gtk program that list the window managers and desktop panels we have installed and an option to us choose which one start
06:44<jm_>leonardo_: that's handle via alternatives
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06:45<leonardo_>could help newbies like me
06:47<jm_>update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
06:47<jm_>update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
06:47<leonardo_>thanks, will see it
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06:50<leonardo_>jm_ I installed a panel called fbpanel that I would like to load on start. With commands I don't see the option to choose fbpanel
06:50<leonardo_>how to make this load on start
06:51<leonardo_>I woild like that load with openbox and fbpanel
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06:51<jm_>leonardo_: via ~/.xsession
06:54<leonardo_>debian has any place to add feature requests?
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06:59<wodypecker>I have a issue during Etch install on IBM thinkpad T22
06:59*amphi recalls his T22 fondly
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07:01<wodypecker>install is blocking at "ACPI:PCI interrupt 0000:00:03.1[A] --> Link LNKC --> GSI 11 (level,low) --> irq11
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07:02<wodypecker>already try with option "install acpi=off" but it blocking with pci
07:02<wodypecker>with old version knoppix 3.8 no problem
07:03<jm_>try acpi=off noapic nolapic pci=nommc
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07:08<wodypecker>with option acpi=off noapic nolapic pci=nommc it is blocking at with "pci:sharing irq 11 with 0000:00:03.0"
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07:24<mech>is there a way of connecting to a device over a network in the same way as 'gnu screen' can connect and control another device over a serial port?
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07:25<petemc>mech: sure, ssh, telnet
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07:26<mech>thanks, never done it before, wanting to play around with the device i will be using for a firewall before i set it up as a firewall
07:26<mech>if that makes sense
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07:34<cesar>Please may i help ...
07:34<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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07:58<wodypecker>any other idea for "install is blocking at "ACPI:PCI interrupt 0000:00:03.1[A] --> Link LNKC --> GSI 11 (level,low) --> irq11" on ibm thinkpad T22 ?
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08:08<miksuh>if you have problems with fglrx, read that
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08:21<unlike>hey can someone help me
08:21<unlike>i want to join a botnet
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08:22<metalqga>what is a botnet in your view?
08:22<unlike>well as i see it
08:22<unlike>like um
08:23<unlike>someone hijacks your shit
08:23<unlike>and lik
08:23<unlike>does stuff with it
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08:23<metalqga>if you want to help try BOINC
08:23<unlike>will do thanks
08:23<metalqga>its the coolest botnet
08:23<unlike>oh really
08:23<unlike>does it have a goal
08:24<mech>'hijacks your shit' lol
08:24<metalqga>yes If I remember clearly they want to take over the world
08:24<unlike>are they gonna brick my box
08:24<metalqga>not sure
08:24<unlike>are they gonna steal all my passwds
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08:33<unlike>sry for the idle chatter
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09:12<OdyX>Hi. I have issues with /tmp mounted as tmpfs for updates. Any pointer /reason ?
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09:13<themill>is it mounted noexec?
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09:17<OdyX>themill: lemme check
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09:25<blockowitsch>ahm, well. i generating a gpg key remotely on my server right now and gpg tells me that there is not enough random data available to generate the tells me i should type on my keyboard and move the mouse...
09:26<blockowitsch>well typing on my keyboard seems not to help, it doesn't collect enough
09:26<blockowitsch>i can't move the mouse of course
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09:26<blockowitsch>and utilizing the disk seems to be useless too
09:26<blockowitsch>what should i do?
09:27<OdyX>generate the key locally ?
09:27<blockowitsch>hmm, good idea :)
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09:28<OdyX>blockowitsch: you cannot generate entropy without exterior input AFAICT
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09:29<OdyX>themill: yes. noexec nosuid
09:29<OdyX>themill: tmp has to be exec suid ?
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09:30<themill>OdyX: dpkg doesn't like tmp being noexec, I'm not sure about nosuid though
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09:30<OdyX>themill: I'll try that
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09:30<epitaph_>can anyone give me a pointer as to how I tell apt-get _not_ to start daemons when I install them? I know it's possible, but I can't remember how!
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09:31<blockowitsch>OdyX: i can't find a way to create a key without adding it to the local keyring
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09:32<OdyX>man gpg
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09:32<blast_hardcheese>epitaph_: Have you checked the manpages for apt-get and aptitude?
09:32<OdyX>sorry... I was about to type it in my console
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09:32<erKURITA>OdyX make sure you (don't) type your passphrase here
09:32<OdyX>erKURITA: :->
09:33<OdyX>(what if my pseudo was my password, huh ?)
09:33<Maulkin>epitaph_: erm... there was something that debootstrap does with update-rc.d. Not sure what though
09:33<epitaph_>blast_hardcheesem well, I checked apt-get. not familiar with aptitude. ISTR there's an option you can set in a config file somewhere
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09:34<epitaph_>Maulkin, yeah, I'm in a debootstrap chroot, which is why my installs fail - the "main" server has the ports!
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09:34<erKURITA>OdyX you shall be thrown into the Burning Fires of Win$ux then
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09:35<Maulkin>or debootstrap?
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09:36<epitaph>it's hard to think what to google ;)
09:36<erKURITA>google should try to correct you though
09:36<erKURITA>well, would you know
09:37<erKURITA>there's a cdebootstrap
09:37<dpkg>rumour has it, cdebootstrap is explained in
09:37<epitaph>I mean, it's hard to think what words or phrases would be in the right documentation, that aren't in loads of others
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09:37<power-manager-question>i need help: there is a way to control cpufreq governor with gnome power manager?
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09:38<erKURITA>I would love the answer to ^ that question
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09:41*OdyX notes: never cut the alimentation to an upgrading computer
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09:42<power-manager-question>i use Lenny, upgraded, i have instaled a cpufreq (and cpudyn), but i want to control governor with gnome power manager. how to do that?
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09:44<power-manager-question>anyone knows how to do that?
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09:55<steez>hi everyone
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09:57<steez>i just reinstalled etch on a "nat" with ppp0 and eth0 iface, eth0 is unreachable from any other machine .. does it ring a bell for you ?
09:58<erKURITA>wrong NAT configuration, I suppose?
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09:59<m4dc0ckr04ch>hi 0/
09:59<m4dc0ckr04ch>need some help
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10:00<m4dc0ckr04ch>i'm trying to compile the odbc-postgressql from source (apt-get source) to suport iodbc (the default is unixodbc)
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10:00<steez>erKURITA: I'm really lost, even if the NAT is bad, I should be able to at least ping from another machine no ?
10:00<m4dc0ckr04ch>when i install the iodbc dev library it removes the unixodbc library that is a dependendy of the package
10:01<m4dc0ckr04ch>how can i resolve this?
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10:02<m4dc0ckr04ch>how can't i remove the unixodbc dependencie at dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc
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10:05<m4dc0ckr04ch>anyone can help me?
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10:06<steez>not me sorry
10:06<InkBottle>Hi, had anyone tryied to install openfst?
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10:07<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: do you need --without-unixodbc too? (I'm just guessing wildly here)
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10:08<InkBottle>I've got something like this: vector-fst.h:405: error: ‘memcpy’ was not declared in this scope
10:08<m4dc0ckr04ch>i cant build the package with both unixodbc and iodbc
10:08<m4dc0ckr04ch>ad what i want is iodbc
10:08<m4dc0ckr04ch>the problem is
10:08<m4dc0ckr04ch>i edit the rules files and
10:09<m4dc0ckr04ch>removed --with-unixodbc
10:09<m4dc0ckr04ch>and added --with-iodbc --with-odbcinst=/etc in the same place
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10:09<m4dc0ckr04ch>the problem is that whe i do dpkg-builpackage -b -us -uc
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10:09<themill> --with-unixodbc is listed as being a default, so you probably need --without-unixodbc to disable it
10:09<m4dc0ckr04ch>i receave the following error
10:09<m4dc0ckr04ch>one minuto to try that
10:10<m4dc0ckr04ch>same problem
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10:10<themill>that was a fast build!
10:11<epitaph>if anyone is interested in what I asked previously about not starting daemons during install, you need a policy-rc.d file that just does exit 101
10:11<m4dc0ckr04ch>because i need ioddc library that removes unixodbc library
10:11<m4dc0ckr04ch>i receive the following error
10:12<m4dc0ckr04ch>pdkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: unixodbc-dev (>2.2.11-13)
10:12<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: ahh... edit the debian/control to change the build-deps then
10:12<m4dc0ckr04ch>when i try to instal it it removes the iodbc library that i need to build the package with iodbc suport :(
10:13<themill>BTW what's the benefit of having iodbc instead of unixodbc?
10:13<m4dc0ckr04ch>i'm using and howto that says that i should use iodbc :D
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10:15<m4dc0ckr04ch>i removed the unixodbc and its allready building
10:15<m4dc0ckr04ch>lets see if it does gives any error
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10:19<themill>m4dc0ckr04ch: please keep it in the channel rather than messaging me. That way, when I go wandering off to do something else, if I don't know or miss something important, someone else will help you.
10:20<m4dc0ckr04ch>ok sorry :D
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10:20<m4dc0ckr04ch>the how to that i'm trying to follow is this
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10:20<m4dc0ckr04ch>but i'm trying to compile all the bpackage from debian source
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10:21<m4dc0ckr04ch>the only that i'm having problems compiling is the odbc postgresql driver
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10:25<m4dc0ckr04ch>i will try using the unixodbc instead of the iodbc...
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10:27<mech>hi, does anybody know much about ALIX pc engine boards?
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10:29<steez>oups , hi back
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10:29<steez>i forgot that macminis had a firewire port.. and the kernel bind it to eth0 .. thats why nobody could reach it -__-
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10:32<[ti]MicroBashine>anyone with c4d ?
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10:40<steez>see ya everybody
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10:49<OdyX>How would you syncronise stuff between two laptops ? (not their whole disk)
10:49<erKURITA>well actually, rdiff-backup
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10:50<erKURITA>rsync might work as well, but I've seen rdiff does a better job
10:50<OdyX>Okay. I'll look into it
10:50<zamolxes>hello. What is the best way to install mysql5.1 on debian etch?
10:50<zamolxes>i see there's a package in experimental
10:50<erKURITA>zamolxes fetch the tarball and compile yourself
10:50<OdyX>erKURITA: with a "List of files+directories" to be backuped first ?
10:50<erKURITA>or get it from sid and pray
10:50*zamolxes shudders
10:51<erKURITA>OdyX I never tried, to be honest (even though I wanted to do it with my music @ home).
10:51<erKURITA>So I wouldn't know
10:51<erKURITA>I looked into it
10:51<erKURITA>but I didn't have the time to set the whole thing up
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11:03<Emanon>I installed debian 4.0 r6 etchnhalf amd64 and when I try "apt-get install gcc" I get the error "Package gcc is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
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11:04<stew>Emanon: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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11:06<Emanon>>.< two comps sigh this will take time to type
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11:06<stew>Emanon: don't bother
11:06<stew>Emanon: /msg dpkg sources.list
11:07<stew>Emanon: just make sure you actually have two network mirrors in sources.list, and a 'main' mirror (which you can pick from /msg dpkg mirrors)
11:07<zamolxes>erKURITA: i figured I should not ignore the work of whoever uploaded 5.1 in experimental..
11:07<stew>Emanon: also note. if you want gcc, you probably want to install the 'build-essential' package
11:07<erKURITA>zamolxes then fetch it from sid and install it
11:08<stew>zamolxes: don't install a package from experimental directly onto etch, you'd have to backport it, /msg dpkg ssb
11:09<erKURITA>but I still think compiling the tarball is easier and faster
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11:10<Stuckey>How do I get an .iso image from a .bin and .cue file?
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11:11<petemc>Stuckey: not learnt how to use google yet?
11:12<jaimesilva>ok, so no one around here has used or knows how to use ia32-apt-get? (it is not well documented)
11:12<dkr>Stuckey: mplayer can understand bin/cue I think. so you could re-encode it with emncoder, maybe
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11:16<user01>what is meant by "binary blobs" in the kernel?
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11:18<petemc>user01: stuff there is no source code for
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11:18<user01>petemc, ok so debian lenny will have stuff there is no source code for in the kernel?
11:19<stew>user01: not as far as we know
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11:19<petemc>i thought the vote was yes?
11:19<petemc>did that change?
11:20<user01>the vote was yes i think
11:20<user01>i read it somewhere the other day
11:20<stew>petemc: the vote wasn't yes or no. the winning option was to assume that the binary was the source for those blobs unless we havfe reason to believe there is some other source
11:21<stew>the vote had 7 options, not 'yes' or 'no'
11:21<petemc>what, assume the blobs were originally authored in binary?
11:21<user01>ok so isnt entirely accurate
11:21<stew>some of them probably were
11:21<stew>some of them were probably not
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11:22<zamolxes>erKURITA: well, even so, i'd prefer to build it with dpkg-buildpackage and install a deb on the production machine, not "slack" it into place
11:23<erKURITA>your call
11:24<Emanon>stew: I can't get build-essential and /msg? no such file or directory?
11:24<stew>user01: it is accurate
11:24<stew>Emanon: /msg was a command to type into irc
11:24<Emanon>uh new that
11:25<Emanon>been up 36 hours sry
11:25<zamolxes>i'm mostly interested in the changes in the replication system in 5.1 . If i'll have a cluster of lotsa mysqls I would rather have an apt repo with the builds :)
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11:25<stew>Emanon: what lines ed you have in /etc/apt/sources.list that start with "deb" ?
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11:27<Emanon>deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main
11:27<stew>Emanon: have you run "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" ?
11:28<stew>Emanon: wait, do you literally have <cc> in there? or did you replace <cc> with a country code?
11:28<stew>Emanon: did update give you any errors/
11:28<Emanon>stew:no and mIRC sent CC
11:29<stew>Emanon: what error do you get when running "aptitude install build-essential"?
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11:30<Emanon>sae one as with gcc
11:30<stew>Emanon: what does "apt-cache policy gcc" say for "Candidate:"?
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11:30<stew>Emanon: what about the same for "apt-cache policy build-essential"
11:31<la>no t entiendo
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11:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:32<seanius>zamolxes: i think there are 5.1 packages in experimental now
11:32<Emanon>stew: installed (none) candidate (none) version table:
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11:33<paveq>hmm, I seem to have a problem with lvm volume groups not showing up with grsec kernel, works with 2.6.24
11:33<paveq>any idea why is this
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11:33<paveq>the config file used to compile kernel is the same
11:33<paveq>with "oldconfig" done
11:33<paveq>raid and device-mapper things are there
11:34<paveq>system is etch
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11:35<zamolxes>i guess I'll use lenny and install 5.1 from experimental
11:35<paveq>simply, vgdisplay or vgscan shows up nothing
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11:41<yeforriak>Hi just a quick question .anybody with a dell precision m90 laptop?
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11:42<simonrvn>just ask
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11:49<la>ola kien ere
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11:51<pablo_>alguien me puede ayudar
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11:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:54<la>pa k?
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11:55<pablo_>soy pablo de chile y tu
11:55<pablo_>tengo problemas con mi multifuncional
11:55<pablo_>no scannea
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11:58<Emanon>I put the packages I need on /dev/sdb (flash drive) what is the command to install for there instead of apt-get install?
11:58<benjamin>how can I have the last modified year with ls?
11:59<weasel>Emanon: individual packages are installed using dpkg -i
11:59<weasel>that will not pull in any dependencies.
11:59<weasel>you could just put the packages into var cache apt archives and then use apt-get install tho
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12:01<Emanon>uhh I start using linux less then a week ago..sry for the newbness but I don't know many commands
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12:01<Emanon>I am using google as best I can
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12:05<weasel>Emanon: sorry, I don't have time to teach you unix. maybe somebody else has :)
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12:07<amphi>Emanon: you may find the debian-reference of use; it is packaged in debian
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12:07<Emanon>weasel: not asking you to just apologizing
12:07<amphi>Emanon: there's also a quite useful book, 'introduction to linux', at
12:07<Emanon>amphi: thank-you
12:07<dr|z3d>Emanon: Also check
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12:09<Emanon>thank you
12:10<MrHumphreys>Emanon: check man pages for dpkg too
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12:18<Apollo>Can't find my index.html files on apache2. Of course it's not where the rest of the universe puts it. I've thought I found it, tried editing it and it just keeps the same page, same html. If I delete apache2, which I've already tried, what else do I had to rid, to start anew?
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12:19<petern>in /var/www ?
12:19<Apollo>nothing in /www
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12:20<Apollo>I found a file in /etc/usr/apache2-default/
12:20<Apollo>it is an index.html with icon and everything, I just can't seem to make the edit stick
12:21<fxiny>Apollo: how did you "deleted" apache2 ?
12:21<fxiny>rm f* -fr ?
12:22<Apollo>I know apache2 is running thru the terminal test and it comes up on localhost in the browser, just can't edit
12:22<petern>i didn't say /www
12:22<petern>and /etc/usr seems a bit odd...
12:22<Apollo>I actually deledted thru synaptic and reinstalled thru the terminal
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12:23<Apollo>nothing in /var/www
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12:24<Apollo>I used to have apache running under fedora, but the editing the html file was easier since that's how I learned
12:24<tiago>orgasms !
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12:25<fxiny>is apache2 running ?
12:25<tiago>orgasm :
12:25<erKURITA>Apollo what are you looking for?
12:25<miriam>wann erscheint lenny zum dowload
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12:26<miriam>weiss dass keiner
12:26<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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12:27<avu>miriam, no, nobody knows. it will be released when it's ready
12:27<fxiny>plenty de here
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12:27<Apollo>I'm looking for the index,html file for the opening page on the webserver
12:28<dkr> /var/www/apache-default I think
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12:28<erKURITA>did you try searching through the configuration files for the webroot ?
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12:28<fxiny>is supposed to be /var/www/index.html
12:28<Apollo>yes, i did a find / -iname index.html*
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12:29<fxiny>Apollo: can you connect to apache ?
12:29<dkr>well, just create your own. the default one just says "it works" anyway
12:29<Apollo>yes thru localhost on icewease
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12:30<Apollo>ok, I'll just make a new one, I'll see if that works thanks
12:30<Apollo>It sounds pretty simple maybe that will do it?
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12:31<enouf>Apollo: you should learn about updatedb and locate, and man dpkg (see -l, -L, -S)
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12:37<fxiny>Apollo: "it works" is in /var/www/apache2-default/index.html
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12:41<pablo>alguien maneja tema de instalacion de multifuncional x5150
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12:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:49<yeforriak>Hi, I am using debian lenny and I would like to connect to Sybase database
12:50<yeforriak>as graphic interface I am using SquirreL SQL, but I am wondering if you know any other application?
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13:10<dskfhsof>hello. it looks like my sound setup is not recognizing my second sound card or my usb headset. any advice on troubleshooting
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13:20<phealy>quick question: is there any easy way to get a list of which packages on a system I've manually installed (vs. packages installed as dependencies)? I know debian tracks this becasue of the "marking package as manually installed" if I apt-get install something that's already on as a dependency.
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13:22<phealy>dpkg doesn't seem to track that, and I can't figure out how to get it from apt
13:22<dpkg>You are moron #17, phealy
13:23<cahoot>phealy: don't take that personal
13:23<phealy>cahoot: oh? :-P why'd it say that, anyway?
13:23<Supaplex>aptitude might. I'd have to setup two identical test machine (virtual is okay), and try it, then compare
13:23<fxiny>is just a leet tracking system :P
13:23<stew>phealy: what version of apt is installed?
13:24<phealy>stew: yno ] [ Wangy ]
13:24<phealy>[12:19] [ Bluehorn ] [ enkrypt ] [ JanC ] [ miksuh ] [ schasi ] [ weasel ]
13:24<phealy>[12:19] [ bono ] [ enouf ] [ jbernard ] [ mobil-7k ] [ scorche|sh ] [ wenchien ]
13:24<phealy>[12:19] [ bozz ] [ epitaph ] [ jcwu ] [ MoDaX ] [ scorpio28 ] [ Werid ]
13:24<phealy>sorry, all, bad mouse paste ;)
13:24<phealy>[12:19] [ Bucciarati ] [ ernesto ] [ jeff_hann ] [ morphium ] [ seanius ] [ widrones ]
13:24<phealy>stew: apt for amd64 compiled on Jan 21 2009 00:27:10
13:24<MoDaX>phealy: stop this
13:25<jcwu>what's going on here?
13:25<schasi>Please stay calm
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13:25<fxiny>party time ? .P
13:25<phealy>MoDaX: that was accidental - I grabbed part of the who list with the mouse by accident.
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13:25<metalqga>just removed .Xauthority from my home dir, me thinks that was not a good idea. will X start after a reboot?
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13:25<phealy>Didn't mean to set off everyone's highlights at once :)
13:26<leonardo_>Hi, does Debian has a Crash report like apport on Ubuntu?
13:26<stew>phealy: they are stored in /var/lib/apt/extended_states for apt-get. aptitude has a separate database you can query with aptitutde, i'm not sure how to query the apt-get database other than looking at that extended_states file
13:26<MoDaX>phealy: highlight without good is unacceptable
13:26<MoDaX>good reason*
13:26<MoDaX>phealy: to answer your question: aptitude search '~i !~M'
13:26<phealy>stew: thank you.
13:26<stew>MoDaX: he made a mistake, and apologized, lets just move on
13:26<slush>did I just hear a baby cry?
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13:27<phealy>stew: I hate tap to click ;) gotta turn that back off.
13:27<bozz>if you did, you ve got really good ears cause mine just started
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13:27<Supaplex>metalqga: it should regenerate next time you start X
13:27<stew>MoDaX's command will query the aptitude database, but not the apt-get database
13:27<metalqga>thanks supaplex
13:27<MoDaX>stew: do you realize it is the same?
13:28<phealy>MoDaX: thanks for the help as well. now... time for a meeting. :) later all, and sorry one more time.
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13:28<fxiny>fair enough
13:28<stew>MoDaX: you mean /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates and /var/lib/apt/extended_states are now being synced? or what?
13:29<leonardo_>Does Debian has an automatic crash report system like apport on ubuntu?
13:29<fxiny>synced in lenny ? good
13:29<stew>i didn't think that was possible, since aptitude's states don't map directly to apt's states nor to dselect's states
13:29<fxiny>so no more double holding packages ?
13:29<stew>fxiny: i doubt it
13:29<stew>fxiny: i mean i doubt they are actually synced
13:30<schasi>fxiny, stew: maybe that is of help
13:30<MoDaX>stew: it would be redundant for aptitude to keep its own state of automatically installed since apt-get supports it
13:30<MoDaX>that used to be the case
13:31<fxiny>stew: can't check it now , but i will put some packages on hold tomorrow
13:31<stew>MoDaX: it would be redundant, they way it is currently redundant with hold as well, right?
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13:34<MoDaX>stew: your point?
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13:34<stew>MoDaX: that 'it would be redundant' doesn't mean much
13:35<MoDaX>aptitude's hold is a bit different than apt-get's
13:36<MoDaX>stew: the best way to figure out the truth is to tesst
13:39<MoDaX>however, the fact that aptitude does not respect dpkg "hold" is a bug imho
13:39<gudge>sorry how can i join russian debian channel
13:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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13:43<kop>I've gnu mailman running, and when it sends mail to MS Exchange the filters setup in exchange don't filter (copy message based on body content test). Anyone have a clue or a clue where I can look for answers?
13:43*Supaplex stabs exchange server, just because
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13:50<Sorcerer>Is there some way I can limit background processes/disk space on a shell?
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13:50<stew>MoDaX: ah, yeah, aptitude is updating extended_states now, thanks
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13:57<mimor>hello all... this is the first time I installed Debian. (I've played around in Fedora and Ubuntu for a few years)
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13:58<mimor>when I want to configure my screen resolution in xorg.conf, I set 1680x1050, but it won't accept it. Can someone help me out?
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14:01<mimor>K, Thx fxiny !! I'll read that trough before I come back here ;)
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14:02<fxiny>so ? you run xrandr -q , pick what's avaiable , feed it to gtf and voila'
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14:08<vimpulse>hi all. Unanswered crosspaste from Freenode #debian: Is there an easy way to make dpkg-reconfigure always add Option "DRI" to my xorg.conf each time it gets run? Or is there a way to make it never overwrite my xorg.conf again?
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14:15<kop>vimpulse : Perhaps submit a bug report asking for such a thing?
14:16<vimpulse>kop: ok. but is there an easier way than that?
14:16<fxiny>vimpulse: yon can make any file immutable
14:16<vimpulse>fxiny: is chmod enough, or must I chattr?
14:17<fxiny>man chattr
14:17<vimpulse>thanks kop and fxiny.
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14:26<EmleyMoor>Wonders never cease - it seems British Conservatives are now recommending FOSS
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14:26<fxiny>while some sleeved up man recommends seven up :P
14:27<metalqga>is there elections around?
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14:27<EmleyMoor>metalqga: Speculation as to when the next General Election will be
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14:34<eBug>udevd on one of our server is hanging after udev's init-bottom script complains about some 'Syntax error: Bad substitution'
14:34<eBug>is this a known problem?
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15:04<Emanon>I have just configured my hostname in Debian is there a way to check make sure it is working right?
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15:08<rem22>Cab I ask you something ?
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15:08<eBug>Emanon hostname -f
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15:09<Emanon>Thank you
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15:14<Jason008>I'm trying to figure out which driver is being used with my network interface card. can modeprobe do that?
15:14<azeem_>Jason008: try pasting the PCI Id to google or that hardware database
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15:15<cahoot>lspci -k?
15:16<Jason008>lspci -k worked!
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15:18<eBug>how can I debug udevd hanging at boot time ?
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15:24<c36pop>hi , i have source lis and preference pointing to testing , it does mean that i m in testing no ?
15:24<c36pop>in lenny sorry
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15:25<c36pop>regarding to third party applications ; i m in lenny so no ?
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15:29<D6>Hi. Is anywhere a tutorial how to run X11 programs via ssh in Debian? How to export X11 session to another PC with Debian Linux?
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15:33<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
15:33<yfk>what's the name of that GNU software that iterates over all the sectors of your H.D and searches for a pattern of a .doc and picture files in order to retrieve deleted ones?
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15:34<D6>cahoot: xauth it not installeld on remote machine, and ssh -X tells me "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding."
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15:35<D6>cahoot: Is it possible to use X11 apps w/o xauth on the remote machine?
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15:36<cahoot>via ssh? I don't know - but I guess someone has figured that out too
15:36<D6>yes, via ssh
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15:37<dkr>yfk: 's ext3grep tool maybe?
15:37<dkr>don't recall specifically searching for .doc and images though. seems a straneg thing to search ext3 systems for. who uses .doc on linux? :)
15:39<yfk>dkr: sad but true, It's on some NTFS partition
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15:43<cp>hello I'd like an information on the command line of openssl
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15:44<cp>when decrypting with the wrong password is there a way to get that output
15:44<cp>instead of the error message?
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15:48<yfk>found it!
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15:53<Emanon>>.< openssl req -newkey rsa:1024 -nodes -keyout server.key.pem -out server.cert.pem -x509 -days 3650 -subj "/C=XX/ST=XX/L=XX/O=XX/OU=XX/CN=имяyour.server.(hostname)/emailAddress="your@email.addr Figure the имя is part of the script? how would I even do that? (wait don't tell me install russian)
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15:54<c36pop>hi guys does anybody managed to resolve the conflict between vbox and nessus ?
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15:56<cp>emanon: I want to decrypt a file with the wrong password
15:56<cp>without the error wrong pass
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15:57<Emanon>o_O sry I am not very good with linux
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16:03<yfk>how can I use software to emulate a usb-device plug-out-plug-in ?
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16:10<hahnp>yfk: doesnt make some sense
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16:11<hahnp>why should you do this
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16:11<yfk>hahnp: I'm handicapped and can't reach my USB port and wish to disconnect some usb device
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16:12<hahnp>you can just unmount it
16:13<hahnp>and mount again
16:13<dkr>yfk: reload the relevent kernel modules?
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16:14<yfk>hahnp: that's the problem... I can't :)
16:15<yfk>actually, I need it unmounted to do some partition work
16:15<hahnp>whats the error when you try to unmount?
16:16<yfk>hahnp: using the GUI I get nothing
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16:16<yfk>it is on lsusb
16:17<lydgate>how can i automatically execute a command when a cd-rom is inserted? i'm trying with ivman but it doesn't seem to be working
16:17<lydgate>this is a headless box, so no gnome tricks etc
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16:23<What-s_my>enouf, nothing more: changed integrated card to another "extra" AGP Nvidia card on (MoBo shared memory...?) . Still have to make MoBo asleep... Ha.. Happy hour done... Still no blinking, anymore.still happy
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16:23<What-s_my>Too happy hours make telegraph lines
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16:33<What-s_my>s/Too/to much/
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16:38<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
16:38<ratbag>is the flashplugin suppose to be in the repositories or do i have to get it myself?
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16:39<D6>!root x
16:39<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
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16:41<ratbag>i cant find the flashplugin in the synaptic package manager for some reason
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16:42<Capture>ALL: how do I provide sound access across multiple simultaneous sessions?
16:43<Capture>ALL: like creating a new session with both sessions have sound
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16:43<lydgate>don't worry guys figured out how to autorun stuff, it was with ivman
16:44<lydgate>hmmm, this might be cool at work
16:44<stew>lydgate: what version of debian are you running?
16:44<lydgate>i've got a box where you pop in a disc and it automatically looks it up on cddb and rips it to flac
16:44<lydgate>stew: etch
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16:44<lydgate>now just an icecast server and mpd
16:44<lydgate>a few cronjobs
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16:45<lydgate>and people can pop in their cds and it will dump them all into a big directory, and listen to it over the web
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17:01<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
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17:02<D6>Hi, guys. "sshx" solution doesn't work. I got "qdbusviewer: cannot connect to X server" on the remote machine. Any ideas?
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17:03<D6>strace gives "connect(7, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6010), sin_addr=inet_addr("")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)". It means that qdbusviewer still tries to connect to X11 tcp port. But it is said that this should work w/o tcp.
17:04<D6>X11Forwarding is enabled on the remote server
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17:04<D6>Any ideas?
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17:06<hahnp>D6: whats the error?
17:07<hahnp>hm refused
17:07<hahnp>maybe there are some firewall rules active?
17:07<D6>hahnp: "qdbusviewer: cannot connect to X server" when running qdbusviewer on the remote machine
17:07<hahnp>that block it
17:07<D6>i don't use firewall
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17:08<D6> is my machine
17:08<hahnp>unintended iptables? :D
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17:09<D6>hahnp: remote machine and my machine are connected with d-link router
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17:21<blusound>ciao raga
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17:24<blusound>ciao ciao
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17:29<commander>what gives guys?
17:29<commander>are they going to out for free?put the CD of 4.0
17:29<commander>out for free?
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17:34<Capture>ALL: how do I provide sound access across multiple simultaneous sessions?
17:34<Capture>ALL: like creating a new session with both sessions have sound
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17:36<kinji>Is there a way to change the default sound device that flashplayer uses? I can't find anything at all on google or anywhere else
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17:37<craigevil>kinji: if your using iceweasel you can change /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
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18:00<D6>please update "!sshx" because it is partially wrong
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18:01<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
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18:01<D6>If X server doesn't have TCP port opened, X11 forwarding won't work at all. With xauth or without.
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18:02<dpkg>hmm... sshx is You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that <xhost> is not necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
18:02<themill>D6: what has to have what enabled?
18:02<somae7>I've been trying to extract an archive using tar -xvf (file) -k --keep-old-files but it keeps giving errors and exiting before finishing
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18:04<themill>D6: all my xservers run as "/usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp" (debian default) and X11 forwarding works just fine. X11 forwarding doesn't need the X server to listen on tcp at all -- that's the point of it.
18:04<D6>themill: "-nolisten tcp" should be removed from display manager settings. For KDE it's /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, "[X-:*-Core]" section, "ServerArgsLocal" key. If you don't open TCP port, X11 forwarding from remote machine won't work.
18:05<somae7>it gives an error when it finds a file with the same name
18:05<themill>D6: that's not correct
18:05<D6>themill: +
18:05<D6>that man had similar problem.
18:05<dmoerner>D6: that is incorrect
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18:06<dmoerner>i will switch the factoid back
18:06<D6>themill: I use Debian Lenny, and that solution with xhost didn't work. When I opened TCP port, everything started to work fine
18:06<themill>D6: ssh X11 forwarding has nothing to do with xhost.
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18:07<dmoerner>all of my xservers run with -br -nolisten tcp and I am able to ssh -X without any problems as well
18:07<themill>D6: then you're setting the DISPLAY variable wrong. It should not need to be set manually at all, ssh will set it for you
18:07<D6>themill: ssh -Y -l dima 'export DISPLAY=""; xterm'
18:07<themill>D6: that's where you failed
18:08<D6> or or localhost or whatever... Didn't work.
18:08<themill>D6: moreover, if you do set it, it should be something like DISPLAY=:10. The point is that X is being tunnelled over the ssh connection so DISPLAY should point to localhost (i.e. the ssh server) and not back to the remote machine
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18:08<D6>themill: let me check this, I'll be back soon :)
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18:09<themill>If you have X11 listening on tcp and have set DISPLAY in that way then you are not tunnelling your X connection at all. That's not what you wnat
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18:17<wannabs>D6 what are you trying to do?
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18:18<D6>wannabs: X11 forwarding :)
18:18<wannabs>ok try ssh -X username@host
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18:18<wannabs>then on the host type xterm
18:19<wannabs>the -X will tell ssh to enable X11forwarding for that connection session
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18:19<D6>wannabs: Yes, I know. But it doesn't work.
18:19<D6>wannabs: qdbusviewer: cannot connect to X server
18:20<wannabs>are you doing this from a windows box to a linux box?
18:20<D6>that's on the remote machine
18:20<D6>wannabs: no, linux to linux
18:20<themill>it shouldn't be trying to connect to :0 though. Stop trying to set DISPLAY
18:20<themill>D6: is DISPLAY set when you ssh to the remote machine? e.g. ssh -X -l dima 'echo $DISPLAY'
18:20<D6>themill: now I don't set DISPLAY at all
18:21<themill>D6: you must be doing something to DISPLAY to get that error message.
18:21<D6>and it still doesn't work :(
18:21<themill>D6: do you have something strange in your .bashrc or .bash_profile where you set DISPLAY?
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18:22<wannabs>ok so D6:, in /etc/ssh/sshd_config you have a setting "X11forwarding" Is it set to "yes"?
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18:22<themill>D6: the ssh server won't set it to -- you saw yourself that you had X11DisplayOffset=10, so it would pick at least :10, and it would also use localhost not because it's going to use the unix socket and not tcp. i.e. you'd get DISPLAY=localhost:10.0
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18:23<wannabs>yea, I don't use the offset on my sshd_config at all, unless they now make it a default enabled setting...
18:23<wannabs>which I don't believe they did
18:23<wannabs>so try turning that off G6..
18:23<themill>no, leave it on. it's a useful debugging aid
18:23<D6>themill: in/etc/profile I Have "export DISPLAY=" and in init script "export DISPLAY="
18:24<themill>D6: fail
18:24<wannabs>take those out
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18:25<themill>D6: comment them out -- they should never be needed. If you are logged in on :0 then it would be set already. If you're not logged in on :0, then you don't want them
18:25<wannabs>you can also run unset $DISPLAY
18:25<themill>wannabs: how would that help?
18:25<wannabs>then try your ssh -X again
18:25<wannabs>that's right themill: hehe it's only unset for that term session
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18:26<D6>themill: remove from both profile and startup script?
18:26<wannabs>just put a # in front of them
18:27<themill>D6: then ssh without using the -X and -Y options to make sure that DISPLAY is *not* set at all
18:28<D6>ok, will try it
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18:28<themill>D6: if that's clean, then try ssh -X. (-X is better for this than -Y btw)
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18:40<nemp>can anyone help me? I have problem with compiling driver
18:40<adama>nemp: ask away
18:41<nemp>when i try to install libdrm-dev i get:
18:41<nemp>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdrm-dev_2.3.1-2_i386.deb (--unpack):
18:41<nemp> trying to overwrite `/usr/include/drm/drm.h', which is also in package linux-libc-dev
18:41<nemp>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
18:41<nemp>Errors were encountered while processing:
18:41<nemp> /var/cache/apt/archives/libdrm-dev_2.3.1-2_i386.deb
18:41<dpkg>nemp: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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18:42<themill>dpkg: tell nemp_ about paste
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18:45<dmoerner>ectoon: last rule in #debian is /msg bots, not people. please use the channel. I'm glad you found the ssh tips helpful, although themill was more helpful than I was
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18:45<renan>ea i renan
18:46<D6>themill: perfect, it works. Thanks.
18:46<themill>D6: excellent!
18:46<renan>seu troxa
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18:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:46<ectoon>got it dmoerner!thanks again
18:46<renan>te certo
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18:55<fuzza>hi all
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18:59<fuzza>... anyone awake? all seems quiet, most strange :(
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19:00<dr|z3d>Ask a question related to debian, you'll see a the whole channel come alive :)
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19:02<fuzza>ok, long question time...
19:03<fuzza>I'm trying to get ipsec (openswan at present) working with klips (which afaict is the thing that gives you the ipsec0 etc interface)
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19:03<fuzza>(this is on etch)
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19:03<fuzza>I've tried both linux-patch-openswan and openswan-modules-source, but I can't get either of them to successfully compile
19:03<fuzza>even with the standard linux kernel image, with the exact config file provided on the netinst (etchnhalf) which compiles perfectly well without the patches
19:05<fuzza>I get messages along the lines of "error: conflicting types for 'ipsec_print_ip'" "previous declaration was here [another file name]"
19:06<fuzza>general googling suggests using openswan 2.5.x and up should fix that, but wouldn't that have been ported back so that it worked? not even sid has that high a version...?
19:07<dr|z3d>Not something I can answer. Seems a bit too package specific for help here, unless there's a openswan guru in our midst.
19:09<fuzza>I saw rumblings that strongswan may also support klips (though not quite sure how that works without the attendant kernel support), might look into that
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19:16<fuzza>ah, looks promising...
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19:33<Apollo>What is the room for apache2 specific to debian?
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19:45<jidm>Hi. I have lenny AMD64. I installed java-gcj-compat-plugin, but iceweasel still tells me that java plugin is not installed :(
19:46<jidm>is there any i can do for getting work? (without installing non-free sun-java6)
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19:48<mntsbbd>hi all
19:50<markrian>jidm - I don't know about amd64, but try openjdk.
19:50<dr|z3d>jidm: Not afaik. It's sunjava or nothing, I think.
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19:50<markrian>yeah, openjdk doesn't seem to have a mozilla plugin anyway
19:51<mntsbbd>what's the best and easiest to config mail server for debian ? I mean pop3 and smtp
19:52<jidm>oh that is a shame. Thanks marjrian and dr|z3d
19:53<jidm>thanks markrian and dr|z3d
19:53<dr|z3d>jidm: You might be able to get away with using IE and MS's java under Wine, if you're desperate ;)
19:54<jidm>dr|z3d. Thanks im not desperate. At least not on this issue! :)
19:57<jidm>just feel shame because there seem to be compatible alternatives to proprietary java, but no plugin for web browser out there
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20:04<chealer>Apollo: that would be here
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20:32<zeus>Hi all, gurus! I need your help. I'm writing a bash script. and i'm in a clicle like while read $list; do "bzip $name &" done. Is there a way to limit the numberr of backgrunded processes? I'd like to set it to 4.
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20:41<Knorrie>well use a counter, up the counter and stop when it reaches a value?
20:42<Knorrie>or do you want to wait until other processes have finished before starting new ones?
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20:43<Knorrie>(guess bzip is using 1 cpu core) probably you can poll the process list or cpu activity
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20:51<southafrikanse>hello. I've installed Xampp and each time i put something in my htdocs i don't have permission to read or write. Then I have to go and change the permissions of the file. Is there a way to do this automatically with setting permissions in folders and files every single time?
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20:54<dr|z3d>southafrikanse: You can recursively set the permissions for a directory.
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20:55<southafrikanse>dr|z3d, does that include sub-directories?
20:55<dr|z3d>southafrikanse: Up to you.
20:55<dr|z3d>Recursive would mean sub-directories, but that's optional.
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20:59<smokejohn>hello there
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20:59<smokejohn>I want to ask some advice
20:59<southafrikanse>smokejohn, just ask :)
21:00<smokejohn>well i was using testing
21:00<smokejohn>with gnome
21:00<smokejohn>and i wanted to check out KDE4
21:00<smokejohn>so i just did a dist-upgrade to experimental:p
21:01<smokejohn>i know stupid thing to do :p
21:01<craigevil>ouch, there is a backport for testing
21:01<smokejohn>i found out when i already had done the upgrade
21:02<smokejohn>so right now i am thinking of a clean installation
21:02<smokejohn>with lenny
21:02<smokejohn>and then not dist-upgrading but just installing the packages i need from experimntall
21:02<smokejohn>the advice i need is which version do you suggest
21:03<smokejohn>i mean with which window manager
21:03<smokejohn>i was thinking about the cd1-kde
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21:03<smokejohn>but as i know when you upgrade kde4 doesn't remove the old kde 3
21:03<smokejohn>isn't that right?
21:04<craigevil>use the kde4 backports do not install from exp
21:04<smokejohn>i think that backports for lenny contain the version 4.1
21:04<smokejohn>and i was thinking about 4.2 which is in experimntal
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21:05<j-debian>how is everyone tonight?
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21:06<newsense>hello j-debian
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21:06<chealer>!tell smokejohn about enter
21:07<craigevil>smokejohn: KDE 4.2 requires some software that is not available in the Debian 4.0 "etch" or future 5.0 "lenny" release. Therefore, it can only be installed on systems using the unstable branches
21:07<chealer>smokejohn: ask questions about KDE to #debian-kde
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21:08<smokejohn>ok guys,thank you very much
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21:12<grim>i attempted to install a package from experimental, but it failed, and i need to go back to the one from sid, however, i can't figure out how to convince apt to not try to install the version from experimental, any pointers?
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21:15<scientes>does the debian installer allow isntalling to ext4?
21:17<stevecotton>grim: apt-get install package_name/unstable
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21:17<grim>stevecotton: i tried -t unstable and that didn't do it
21:17<maverick>I have a Dell 1420 laptop with a 120 GB HDD. Unfortunately, I only set up 6 GB for my root partition and now I've maxed out my root partition. I tried to resize all my partitions with GParted but it would not let me resize the root partition. I'm not using LVM partitions. Is there a way to increase my root partition.
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21:18<grim>stevecotton: actually that looks like it'll work
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21:18<grim>note to self, don't try installing glib2.19.5 from ubuntu, since you need to upgrade libc6 which breaks the rest of the system :)
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21:19<stevecotton>grim: at least you've accepted who broke it, which is beyond some users of mixed-distro systems
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21:20<grim>stevecotton: i'm trying to use eggdbus, and i need glib2.19, and i was fully aware that i was potentially breaking my system :)
21:20<grim>stevecotton: when i couldn't open a new urxvt, i knew i was in bad shape :)
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21:24<grim>anyone know if theres a how/tutorial to build a debian package from a ubuntu source package?
21:24<maverick>I have a Dell 1420 laptop with a 120 GB HDD. Unfortunately, I only set up 6 GB for my root partition and now I've maxed out my root partition. I tried to resize all my partitions with GParted but it would not let me resize the root partition. I'm not using LVM partitions. Is there a way to increase my root partition.
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21:37<dmoerner>scientes: no, the debian-kernel team's trunk kernels don't even have ext4 enabled as a module atm
21:37<dmoerner>s/atm/at the moment/
21:37<scientes>year rc1 didnt have the module
21:37<dmoerner>scientes: sorry, i misspoke, they just enabled ext4 in the most recent snapshot
21:37<scientes>oh ok
21:37<dmoerner>but d-i definitely does not support installation
21:38<dmoerner>especially since lenny uses 2.6.26
21:38<scientes>i would format ext3 /boot and ext4 everything else
21:38<scientes>but that would work?
21:38<scientes>i mean format before instalation
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21:39<dmoerner>no, that would not work. if you want to install debian on a machine with ext4 you will have to manually bootstrap or convert ext3 post-installation
21:40<scientes>ok, or copy at file level would probably work right?
21:40<scientes>and then reinstall grub
21:40<dmoerner>yes most definitely
21:40<dmoerner>you don't need to reinstall grub if you have a separate /boot, although you may have to change the root= partition
21:40<scientes>cause what ive heard upgrading partitions is suppose to not work as well
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21:41<dmoerner>yes older stuff is not converted to using extents and you have to make sure the ext3 partition was made with 256 inodes instead of the default 128
21:41<scientes>what about block sizes?
21:42<scientes>there is a few ext3 partitions i have that could really benefit from extents
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21:58<twb>For shits and giggles, I'm trying to cross-install Debian using cdebootstrap. That is, install an arch that I can't execute on the installing host.
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22:00<twb>Hmm, lemme try something else before I describe the problem further.
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22:15<oculus>i installed xubuntu with wubi where do i find my home folder directory if i am in windows?
22:17<newsense>oculus: ask in #ubuntu please
22:19<oculus>it is empty?
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22:20<newsense>try #ubuntu
22:20<newsense>oculus: they have some ubuntu users there
22:20<oculus>i dont use irc i am on xchat what do i do?
22:22<RIVE>oculus, you are using IRC.
22:22<RIVE>freenode is another network.
22:23<newsense>oculus: click on file than server i believe or network might be called in xchat
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22:34<simonrvn>omg, xchat isn't irc O_o
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22:36<newsense>simonrvn: i just found that out myself
22:36<newsense>j-debian: just kidding
22:37<simonrvn>was just the silly response borne out of ignorance of the protocol they were using...
22:37<simonrvn>newsense: omgrlykthxbye
22:38*newsense looks around
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22:40<simonrvn>look over there! *points at the incoming series of tubes*
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23:17<el_isma>Help! I have an RTL8101E/RTL8102E ethernet controller and an Nvidia 8600 card, if I load the nvidia propietary driver, the net won't connect! WTH?
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23:18<el_isma>using AMD64, btw
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23:22<snogglethorpe>el_isma: seems like you'd better contact nvidia...
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23:22<snogglethorpe>(what can debian do about propietary drivers?)
23:23<el_isma>snogglethorpe: yeah, they suck... damn nvidia...
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23:45<JordiGH>Is the experimental KDE package not ready yet?
23:46<JordiGH>It really knocked the wind out of aptitude.
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23:46<snogglethorpe>JordiGH: certainly doesn't sound ready...
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23:46<JordiGH>snogglethorpe: Well, the buzz is that 4.2 is what KDE 4 should have always been...
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23:47<snogglethorpe>not sure i care
23:47<JordiGH>I was a KDE user...
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23:54<JordiGH>Ah, "with the exception of kdesdk"
23:55<ArthurLiu>JordiGH, you have issue installing 4.2 with aptitude ?
23:55<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Yeah.
23:55<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Manually resolving the issues...
23:55<ArthurLiu>did you try 0.5.1 ?
23:56<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Hell no. Even the aptitude devs say "here be dragons".
23:56<JordiGH>I'm not installing an experimental aptitude.
23:56<ArthurLiu>daniel said what ?
23:57<craigevil>installing kde4-minimal didnt work for you?
23:57<JordiGH>craigevil: Oh, where's the fun in that? I WANT THE WHOLE SHEBANG.
23:57<JordiGH>Maybe I should just wait a few days.
23:58<craigevil>hehe granted, but its probably easier to start small then install what you need/want
23:58<ArthurLiu>it's not *that* buggy..
23:58<snogglethorpe>well any big subsystem tends to take a bit of time to fully get into unstable...
23:58<ArthurLiu>I'm using it every day
23:58<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: I'm gonna believe what he says.
23:58<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Presumably the person who writes the bugs knows them best.
23:58<snogglethorpe>various parts of it may fail to build on obscure packages etc
23:58<ArthurLiu>well, I wrote aptitude-gtk
23:59<JordiGH>craigevil: I think I just have issues with kdesdk not packaged yet. I'll sit tight.
23:59<ArthurLiu>there are a few funny bugs, but feature-wise, it's quite on par with the ncurse interface
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