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---Logopened Wed Jan 28 00:00:09 2009
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00:00<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: That's nice. Too bad it didn't make it into lenny. :-( My brother is running lenny. I'm really looking forward to a newer aptitude, though.
00:00<ArthurLiu>did you try resolving dependencies with this view: ?name(^kde) ?version(4.2)
00:00<craigevil>JordiGH: probbably its still 4.1
00:00<craigevil>4:4.1.4-1 0 101 experimental/main Packages
00:00<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: apt-get seems so primitive, and its frontends inherit this.
00:00<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: I've found the aptitude-gtk interface very confusing
00:00<JordiGH>craigevil: Yeah, yeah, I know.
00:00<ArthurLiu>snogglethorpe, that confusing ? :)
00:00<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: I understand how to use it only because I have a lot of experience with the curses interface
00:01<ArthurLiu>yeah, that's possible
00:01<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: I've been using the conflict resolution mechanism, not that...
00:01<snogglethorpe>but i think if i were a newbie i'd be completely lost
00:01<ArthurLiu>we didn't really intend to replace synaptic
00:01<snogglethorpe>sometimes there are tons of nested panes, with multiple confirmation buttons, multiple tabs, etc, and there's no clear direction what you should do next, or where to go
00:02<ArthurLiu>clear GUI design fail from the interface analogy part, i know..
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00:03<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: i don't really care about analogies, but I think there should be at least a clear path to follow...
00:04<ArthurLiu>did you try 0.5.0, 0.5.1 or hg trunk ?
00:04<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: oh, another much smaller nit: when it finishes the final install run (using the embedded terminal), there's no clear indication when it's finished!
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00:04<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: I don't think I use that regexping you recommend... how do I use it?
00:05<snogglethorpe>so i'll sit there twiddling my thumbs, and then eventually realize, "oh... it hasn't scrolled in a long time... it must be done!]
00:05<ArthurLiu>oh, the dpkg screen :)
00:05<ArthurLiu>it now displays a "ended at whatever time"
00:05<ArthurLiu>we should be more explicit
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00:06<ArthurLiu>well, there's a "installation done" notification at the bottom
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00:06<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Do you have many people using the hg version? I imagine it takes adventurous souls.
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00:06<ArthurLiu>not many that venture on the mailing list, I have a few friends here that I coerced into testing it though
00:07<JordiGH>If I could run both aptitudes side by side...
00:07<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: btw is the searching mess fixed in the dev version?
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00:07<ArthurLiu>which one mess are you refering to ? :)
00:07<JordiGH>Hm, maybe I could if I compiled from source..
00:07<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Gimme the url to clone
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00:08<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: searching in the curses ui is essentially unusable
00:08<JordiGH>snogglethorpe: What do you search for?
00:08<snogglethorpe>JordiGH: any simple string
00:08<snogglethorpe>JordiGH: e.g., "gtk"
00:08<snogglethorpe>will seem to hang aptitude
00:08<snogglethorpe>then after a long time or hitting ^G a bunch fo times or somethig
00:08<JordiGH>snogglethorpe: I usually type "/" which does isearch, next hits are with more /
00:08<ArthurLiu>should be
00:09<snogglethorpe>it eventually comes back sitting on the first match
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00:09<JordiGH>snogglethorpe: Oh, is that in 0.5?
00:09<snogglethorpe>from reading the mailing list, it seems that this is due to some new search library being used
00:09<ArthurLiu>let me check that
00:09<snogglethorpe>so i guess it's a known problem
00:09<snogglethorpe>it's a killer...
00:09<snogglethorpe>(that's the reason i stopped using the experimental version)
00:09<ArthurLiu>limit search ?
00:09<snogglethorpe>no, i mean, just: /gtk
00:09<snogglethorpe>or something
00:10<snogglethorpe>very simple
00:10<JordiGH>Well, that's a redundant url...
00:10<snogglethorpe>the kinda thing i wanna do many times a day...
00:10<ArthurLiu>works here..
00:10<ArthurLiu>both 0.5.0, 0.5.1 and hg trunk
00:11<JordiGH>"Can't reproduce, close"
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00:11<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: i've seen a discussion of exactly this problem, i think on the mailing list (but maybe it was in a bug report?)
00:11<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Is this both your work and Daniel's?
00:11<ArthurLiu>open aptitude --no-gui, type /gtk, works instantly and as I type
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00:12<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: it was daniel burrows in the thread thoguh, so maybe it's something you didn't have a hand in
00:12*JordiGH hopes that --no-gui is still default when using commands from the CLI.
00:12<ArthurLiu>JordiGH, Daniel is the main aptitude dev, I worked on the gtk interface this summer as part of the summer of code and I'm still deving
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00:12<ArthurLiu>JordiGH, it defaults to gui if you're in X, as emacs does
00:13<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: I know this, but you worked on his source tree, right? It's not some separate patchwork done in a different tree?
00:13<ArthurLiu>yes, it's merged in
00:13<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: I mean, "aptitude install yermom" isn't gonna try to load GTK, is it?
00:13<ArthurLiu>no, commands don't load the gui
00:13<JordiGH>Ah, good.
00:13<ArthurLiu>same behaviour as with the ncurse gui
00:14<JordiGH>Good, good.
00:14<JordiGH>Overzealous GUIing pisses of Debianistas. :P
00:14<snogglethorpe>JordiGH: but the default of just "aptitude" is gtk...(at least it was a few weeks ago)
00:15<JordiGH>snogglethorpe: That's fine. But I only ever use an "interface" for aptitude when I run into problems. Most of the time, it's a glorified apt-get for me.
00:15<snogglethorpe>one weird thign is that the gtk version defaults to running "update" on startup
00:15<ArthurLiu>snogglethorpe, the gtk version is now spinned off in a separate aptitude-gtk package. I suppose it will take precedence over aptitude if X is installed
00:16<JordiGH>Ack, autohell. :-(
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00:16<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: Does the gtk version also work in sandbox mode by default, like the ncurses one?
00:17<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: i.e. without needing root?
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00:18<ArthurLiu>well, it won't break anything if you don't run as root
00:18<ArthurLiu>but the "become root" code isn't done yet..
00:18<JordiGH>I really like the simulate mode of aptitude...
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00:23<JordiGH>Oh, cwidget?
00:24<JordiGH>does aptitude not use the ncurses API at all?
00:24<ArthurLiu>aptitude uses cwidget to interact with ncurses
00:24<JordiGH>Right, but not ncurses itself?
00:24<ArthurLiu>aptitude is C++, ncurse is C, cwidget is a C++ ncurses binding
00:24<JordiGH>That's kinda cool. I've never coded with ncurses, but I hear it's not fun. :-)
00:26<JordiGH>I didn't know there were C++ bindings for it. I'm gonna start recommending them in Freenode C++ next time someone wants to do console stuff.
00:27<ArthurLiu>cwidget is written by the aptitude dev
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00:27<ArthurLiu>and is pretty much only used by aptitude..
00:27<JordiGH>And can only be used by aptitude?
00:27<JordiGH>Is it horrible, unmaintained, broken, undocumented?
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00:27<ArthurLiu>well, it's got just enough features for aptitude and is documented just enough to be used by the guy who wrote it :)
00:30<ArthurLiu>JordiGH, took quite a lot of clicking but I managed to get a valid changeset for 4.1 -> 4.2
00:31<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: O RLY
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00:32<ArthurLiu>"kde ?version(4.2) ~i" should give you all the installed kde related packages with a 4.2 version available
00:32<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: oh, another idea for the gtk interface: in the "many changelogs" display, there's often a lot of redunancy, because all packages from the same source package will have exactly the same set of changelog entries
00:33<JordiGH>ArthurLiu: "aptitude install kde ?version(4.2) ~i"?
00:33<snogglethorpe>ArthurLiu: so if it instead would merge all entries from the same source package (e.g. it should show: "pkg1:\npkg2:\npkg3:\nCHANGES"...
00:33<ArthurLiu>mmh, that's right, we should display by source package
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00:33<ArthurLiu>I remember there was an issue with efficiently grouping by source packages
00:33<ArthurLiu>I should look over that again
00:33<el_isma>JordiGH: No, in the ncurses aptitude press / and type that or press l and type that. In gtk aptitude there's some box to type that into
00:34<snogglethorpe>could do it as a post-pass that actually just merges identical text, if that's easier...
00:34<el_isma>aptitude's search querys are very cryptical but very useful
00:34<ArthurLiu>snogglethorpe, I guess, daniel wrote that code :)
00:36<ArthurLiu>JordiGH, so use that screen, and keep upgrading packages in it. you'll probably get broken packages, open a screen with the broken packages with "?broken" and keep updating them and their dependencies 'till everyone is happy
00:36<el_isma>I <3 aptitude
00:36<ArthurLiu>(don't forget to update the broken packages list by clicking on search.., it *should* be automated but there are some performance issues)
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00:37<ArthurLiu>I think you can do the same with synaptic if you have too much time on your hands :)
00:38<JordiGH>I haven't touched synaptic in years and I don't intend to do so now.
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00:44<ArthurLiu>thanks to apt-xapian-index (introduced in 0.5.0), 'kde' matches kde related packages that don't have 'kde' in their name, which helps a lot so you don't forget to upgrade packages which are not in the strict dependency graph of 'kde4' but still part of the suite
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01:02<kop>ArthurLiu : I'd have thought the aptitude search of the keywords (maybe ~G ?) would find all the kde packages. Wouldn't there be a kde keyword?
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01:03<kop>aptitude search ~G::kde Seems to work.
01:03<ArthurLiu>well, xapian is supposed to be more efficient and have a larger tag set
01:04<twb>kop: that's debtags, FWIW
01:04<kop>ArthurLiu : The wonders of Lenny. I'm looking forward to them. :-)
01:04<ArthurLiu>or Squeeze
01:05<kop>twb: Thanks.
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01:05<kop>ArthurLiu : Why would it have a larger tag set?
01:05<twb>More to the point: what information does apt-xapian-index, well, index?
01:06<twb>Since it doesn't depend on debtags, it presumably doesn't contain the debtags
01:06<ArthurLiu>ask enrico, he will be pleased to innundate you with answers
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01:26<s4br3>Hi, I upgraded my Sid/Experimental to KDE 4.2 but lost many icons. Bewildered I removed the icon for the widget settings from the KMenu, and don't know how to get it back. Anyone know where to look?
01:26<jm_>try #debian-kde
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01:49<s4br3>jm_, I found it. It has moved to the plasma setting icon in the upper right corner.
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01:57<Supaplex>I wonder if this keeps locking up my box. usb 2-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
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01:58<jm_>does it panic?
01:59<Supaplex>can't tell. system is so dead, I can't see a panic on the screen. happened three times already, and I think it's related to the demand rsync puts on the external usb drive (sata2 enclsoure 750gb disk)
02:00<Supaplex>usb2.0 of course.
02:01<metalqga>Supaplex: btw X started with no problems (.Xauthority erased the previous day)
02:02<Supaplex>metalqga: good to hear. just as I expected. :)
02:03<metalqga>I was playing with xinit -- :1 with the same user and I was playing a lot with it.... got entangled into it :P
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02:04<metalqga>not sure about the terminology but how is ctrl+alt+F7 /F8 called tty7 8 or?
02:04<metalqga>maybe screen0 1
02:05<jm_>Supaplex: do keyboard leds blink?
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02:06<jm_>then it doesn't sound like a panic
02:06<Supaplex>I intentionally left it on tty12 which is my syslog screen too, and a remote host was tailing it, but it dies w/o any indications.
02:07<metalqga>another related question when I switch from tty8 to tty7 the 3d games running in tty8 stop (go to sleep). The CPU usage goes down. Can I make them continue running.
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02:31<eeedude>ok I have a question. I have a operating debian install on my ssd in my eee pc, how can I put it in my 16gb thumbdrive? so i can boot to the thumb drive. I want to move the existing os without having to install it again?
02:34<eeedude>would just doing a straigh dd to the thumb drive work?
02:35<eeedude>sweet thanks
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02:35<joshuasgirl>hello everyone
02:35<snogglethorpe>eeedude: hmm, the debian install-from-usb instructions do say to just dd to the drive, and it does work
02:36<snogglethorpe>eeedude: well that's the install image
02:36<Supaplex>eeedude: and rsync are your friends. dd only works for filesystems that are not mounted right now.
02:36<joshuasgirl>I dont know what this is....i thought it was just a normal chat room, is it?
02:36<eeedude>well I figure the modules to boot off of the eee pc ssd have to be similar to a flash drive
02:37<Supaplex>joshuasgirl: you're in the wrong place for normal. it's for support of debian.
02:37<[gloom]>I think it would work if you boot with a live cd, copy the ssd partition with dd to the thumb drive. Then you would need to install some bootloader on the usb drive
02:37<Supaplex>eeedude: isn't it a sata interface to the ssd?
02:37<joshuasgirl>what does that mean?
02:37<eeedude>maybe, they both show up as /dev/sd??
02:37<Supaplex>joshuasgirl: checkout
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02:39<eeedude>Supaplex, maybe you just created another linux user
02:39<Supaplex>you never know. :)
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02:40<eeedude>ok I am going to try dd. any suggestions for command line options?
02:41<Supaplex>aka 4m.
02:42<jm_>you can say 4M you know
02:42<Supaplex>yea. I always get the case wrong, and it yells when you get it wrong. :)
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02:45<metalqga>me thinks she was looking for "hi a/s/l plz"
02:46<snogglethorpe>i'm always afraid to use suffixes like these days, given the "mib vs. mb" braindamage that's crept in so many places
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03:08<jim_p>does anyone use kde4 in debian? i downloaded the livecd from the kde team (or whatever its called) and i must admit i am disappointed by kde4. i dont know if its the kdes fault, but on my pc it failed to reach X, hanging at the loading kde spash image. I tried in vbox, where it did load properly, but i could not use konsole because of some wierd X error, plus i was not given the option to shutdown the pc or reboot. is it really that bad? i
03:08<jim_p>was thinking of moving to kde4 now that kde 4.2 is out
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03:08<jim_p>*i am on ati, if it helps :P
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03:09<jim_p>and i am now making a sid installation in vbox and give it kde4
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03:09<eeedude>kde4 is awesome, just way to slow on my laptop
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03:10<jim_p>eeedude, yea but... these errors?
03:10<jim_p>eeedude, and what gpu are you on, may i ask?
03:11<jim_p>oh, before i edit the repos, what is better sid + kde4 from experimental or lenny +kde4 backported ?
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03:12<craigevil>kde4.2 is much better than 4.1
03:13<jim_p>craigevil, so? do you suggest me to wait a week or so and move to it?
03:13<craigevil>from what i hear kde4,2 isnt all in exp yet
03:13<chealer>jim_p: ask #debian-kde
03:13<jim_p>thats why i will wait
03:14<jim_p>chealer, thanks, i did not know it exists
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03:40<eeedude>does grub have a problem booting from a thumb drive?
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03:42<jm_>not in general no
03:43<eeedude>the reason I asked was, I was on the rip homepage and it said you could burn any of thier iso's to a thumbdrive. except the grub ones
03:43<eeedude>it just seemed a little wierd. maybe I will shoot him an email.
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03:46<snogglethorpe>eeedude: might just be conservative
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03:55<GirlRiver>i am looking for a mysql IRC .. can anyone point me in the right direction pls >
03:56<gsimmons>!tell GirlRiver -about mysql
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03:58<GirlRiver>gsimmons: thank you
04:00<jm_>I wonder how all these people find #debian but they can't find support forums for other projects
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04:14<EmleyMoor>jm_: IRC uninitiates perhaps? Do any clients come set up with this channel readily available?
04:15<jm_>EmleyMoor: yeah, knoppix for example, and IIRC ubuntu did too
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04:21<Hans>was geht
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04:22<Hans>was mir den anderen los warum schreiben die nicht
04:22<Ficka>FICKst du deine mama?
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04:23<cq>what's a good mailserver to use? postfix? exim4? sendmail?
04:23<weasel>yes. yes. not unless you really know what you're doing.
04:24<weasel>(if you have to ask, you don't)
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04:24<cq>well, that's why I'm asking... I'm setting up vtiger and need a MTA...
04:24<Admin>wie gehts??
04:25<Hans>fuck u motha fucka
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04:25<Admin>shut up!
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04:25-!-Admin was kicked from #debian by weasel [bye]
04:25-!-Hans was kicked from #debian by weasel [you too]
04:25<jm_>so easy, ban one host and get rid of 3 morons
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04:25<@weasel>jm_: danke
04:25<Supaplex>so bored they have to stir up trouble.
04:25<Supaplex>sup weasel =)
04:26<@weasel> Sup \Sup\, v. i. [See {Supper}.]
04:26<@weasel> To eat the evening meal; to take supper.
04:26<@weasel> [1913 Webster]
04:26<@weasel>not that time of the day
04:26-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
04:26<jm_>weasel: naah, thanks are on you ;)
04:26<Supaplex>Okay. What else are you up to, weasel?
04:27<weasel>busy working.
04:28<Supaplex>I think I'll go comatose for a few hours, hullicinate vividly, and suffer amnesia about it all when I wake up.
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04:42<Woet>is there anyone here who has experience with pure-ftpd?
04:43<Woet>I installed it using apt-get, but it simply refuses to run
04:43<Woet>it fails to start, without any notice or error.
04:44<jm_>you could strace it
04:45<jm_>or run it in debug mode if it has that
04:46<slush>no entries in the logfiles?
04:46<Woet>there are no log files
04:46<slush>at all?
04:47<Woet>slush: none of pure-ftpd
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04:47<slush>well, maybe in syslog?
04:48<Woet>Jan 28 09:36:54 localhost pure-ftpd: (?@?) [ERROR] Unable to switch capabilities : Operation not permitted
04:48<Woet>Jan 28 09:44:28 localhost pure-ftpd: (?@?) [ERROR] Unable to switch capabilities : Operation not permitted
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04:48<Woet>it's an default installation though, apt-get install pure-ftpd
04:48<Woet>but i'll have a look
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04:50<Woet>hmm, it seems to be a bug with VPSes
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05:07<inet>hi. how install and tune anon proxy
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05:09<slush>Woet: any specific reason why you want to use pure-ftp? because, proftpd works fine on vps'es :)
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05:09<Woet>because pure-ftpd allows extensive MySQL users
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05:09<Woet>and i already got it working by adding capabilities modules to the VPS kernel
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05:10<Woet>now it should just work, and I'm fine
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05:27<stephen>Hi guys.. can anyone recommend a nice serial comm app for X?
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05:28<stephen>Minicom is giving me hassle
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05:28<stephen>anything else?
05:29<petemc>theres a hyperterm-alike, cant recall the name
05:29<stephen>got it thanks guys
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05:38<kjs>Could someone please confirm that I am not insane, /opt/blah/ is owned by apache with 700 perms. /opt/blah/backup needs to be owned by root and backed up to each day. Root will not be able to access /opt/blah/backup if /opt/blah is 700 perms and owned by apache? (am i right or wrong?).
05:41<kjs>ah ok, this must be some NFS permisions problem then
05:42<jm_>yeah, NFS has stuff like root_squash etc.
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05:46<kjs>jm_: what is that?
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05:46<jm_>kjs: read about it in the nfsd man pages
05:46<jm_>man exports IIRC
05:47<kjs>ok jm_ thanks
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05:52<kjs>jm_: having done a bit of reading, does no_root_squash basically mean that te system that is mounting the NFS share has perms to the dir and local permissions are not effected?
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05:53<jm_>kjs: it means no remapping occurs when accessing it as root
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05:54<kjs>I see
05:54<kjs>so root on the client is root on the nfs share.
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05:54<kjs>no mapped to a different uid
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06:28<Torocatala>A litle question
06:28<Torocatala>i working by ssh on a remote server
06:28<Torocatala>and i wont that i type onr emote
06:28<Torocatala>appears on the local screen
06:29<Torocatala>that's posible?
06:29<Torocatala>btw i'm using the latest version of ubuntu-server
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06:30<jm_>ubuntu is supported elsewhere
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06:30<jm_>!tell Torocatala -about ubuntu
06:31<metalqga>and this little question takes up 8 lines :D
06:31<dr|z3d>Torocatala: Try tightvncserver or x11vnc
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06:32<Torocatala>uhms, ok, and thx :D
06:32<dr|z3d>Torocatala: Those require an X window session, but still, you get a remote mirrored desktop.
06:32<Torocatala>ouch, the server no has X
06:33<dr|z3d>At least, x11vnc gives you a mirrored desktop, tightvncserver spawns a new X session. Ah.
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06:33<dr|z3d>I think there are variants of vnc that may let you view console mode. You'd have to investigate.
06:33<jm_>in that case it's ttysnoop
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06:34<dr|z3d>Or use ttysnoop, as jm_ suggests.
06:34<Torocatala>i'm searching about that, thx
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06:46<vincent>Hi. I've just installed the NVidia drivers (for an 8600GT) on Debian Sid. In this guide they say that I need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and that it'll ask me to choose an X server driver. It only asks me for keyboard settings and nothing about drivers. Any ideas why?
06:46<jm_>vincent: old doc
06:47<vincent>jm_: Aha. So how do I do it now?
06:47<jm_>vincent: write the config file by hand
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06:51<vincent>jm_: Ok. I'll try. Thanks!
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07:15<stevem_>Lo, I just did a netinst and gnome-core install of etch... does anyone know the gnome theme you normally get so I can install it?
07:16<stevem_>i.e. the default etch one when you do a full install
07:16<metalqga>i do aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment
07:16<stevem_>no I don't want it all
07:16<metalqga>but you may want to keep the installation at minimum
07:17<stevem_>I purposely installed gnome-core
07:17<metalqga>aptitude search gnome themes
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07:18<stevem_>yeah I see it already but I don't know if it'll include the debian one... or maybe debian uses a default gnome one - it'd be handy to know the name
07:18<stevem_>was it Crux ?
07:19<valdyn>stevem_: probably clearlooks
07:20<stevem_>no clearlooks
07:20<stevem_>thats it :D
07:20<stevem_>dunno if it was installed in gnome-themes or not but its there
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07:20<stevem_>maybe just wasn't active
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07:22<stevem_>yeah it was in gnome-themes but doesn't say its in there
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07:23<svehex>I need help with a question concerning nosuid in fstab and security risks
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07:25<svehex>how can a user abuse the absence of nosuid on the cdrom to take control, why is it less of a security risk not to have nosuid on /home than /dev?
07:25<valdyn>svehex: /home cant be plugged in by users
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07:26<valdyn>svehex: i can take a portable disk, install a suid binary at home, bring it to your computer, plug it in, let it automagically be mounted without nosuid and be root
07:26<svehex>thx :)
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07:27<valdyn>svehex: nosuid on /home is just as pointless as on /dev as far as i can see
07:28<svehex>I'm not going to use it, it's part of an assignment at school
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07:29<dpkg>methinks homework is something you should do yourself
07:29<metalqga>or !beer someone to do it
07:29<svehex>I am doing most of it myself. I just got stuck
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07:32<themill>svehex: the filesystems used by CDs and DVDs don't support suid anyway, so I wouldn't have through there was any point in having nosuid on the cd mount point either
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07:35<jm_>I thought rock ridge extensions add that
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07:35<themill>jm_: oh?
07:37<jm_>let's test it
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07:38<jm_>yup it's honoured
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07:40<themill>well well. you learn something every day
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07:43<metalqga>and forget twice as much :P
07:43<themill>what were we just talking about?
07:44<metalqga>14:40 themill well well. you learn something every day
07:44<dpkg>rumour has it, stmp is Short Term Memory Problem
07:44<goodger>"as soon as I learn something new it pushes some old stuff out of my brain! remember when I took that wine-tasting course and I forgot how to drive?" "you were drunk!" "and how!"
07:45<themill>jm_: :)
07:45<themill>goodger: Sounds like the "herd theory" of drinking...
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08:07<mohyuddin>which software i can use to edit my videos
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08:09<mohyuddin>which software i can use to edit my videos?
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08:21<bas84>hi my debian amb64 lenny 2.6.26-1-amd64 pc hangs twice a day, with a black or white screen.... i have no clue, can you help me?
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08:21<dvst>bas84, you already see the logs?
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08:22<bas84>:dvst thats is /var/log/syslog ?
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08:22<dvst>bas84, hangs even in tty ? i mean, work in tty until it hangs
08:22<dvst>bas84, yes
08:23<dvst>i guess you do
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08:23<bas84>dvst, hangs all the way, you can not go to tty, ssh and ping are down if he is gone
08:24<dvst>bas84, you have a monitor of ram, network, procesor ?
08:24<bas84>dvst, nope, what can i use
08:24<jm_>bas84: did you check if keyboard leds are blinking?
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08:24<bas84>jm_, i dont have leds on my keyboard
08:24<jm_>bas84: seriously?
08:24<dvst>bas84, check your memory, there is memtest86
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08:26<dvst>also check your fan cooler, it happens sometimes that your procesor get hotter that normal and it turn off for security
08:27<bas84>dvst, is the a program to check the temp of the CPU while running that you know of?
08:27<dvst>bas84, the bios do that
08:27<dpkg>hmm... lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package. #linux-sensors @
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08:28<dvst>when the pc turn off you can go to the bios and see how hot is it, try lmsensors also as jm_ says
08:29<bas84>ok thanks i wil try that when it hangs again
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08:33<dvst>bas84, when i comment about the tty, i mean that you work there all the time and see if it hangs, not try to go there once it hang
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08:36<bas84>dvst, ok ic, i havent tested that
08:38<enouf>bas84: by doing so, you eliminate any possible X related video driver issues - check your HDD space as well (df -hT) ..
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08:39<enouf>bas84: try also to monitor your services a bit, top/htop, etc
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08:43<bas84>enouf, HDD space is ok (93G left), I wil try testing in tty later, how do i startup without running X at all?
08:46<enouf>bas84: /msg dpkg nodm ..but you could easily just 'telinit 1' once booted too, or startup in 'single mode' , or ctrl-alt-backspace (to kill X) .. or set your DE preferences to not Autologin and from your DM menu, select Console/TTY, whatever
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08:47<bas84>enouf, ok thx
08:49<enouf>bas84: ps aux | egrep 'tty|pts' .. actually X should show from grepping for 'vt7' as well
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08:52<enouf>or just 'X' ;-)
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08:52<bas84>enouf, k ;-)
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09:21<unanxbt>How can I install kde 4.2 in my ubuntu interprid?
09:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:22<dpkg>kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels:
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09:23<unanxbt>How can I install kde 4.2 in my ubuntu interprid?
09:25<jm_>ask elsewhere
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09:26<metalqga>how can I change bit depth without manually editing xorg.conf
09:27<dpkg>somebody said kubuntu was yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on
09:28<valdyn>metalqga: not
09:28<metalqga>oh... that hurts :P
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09:34<seton>你好!! 好高兴
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09:34<seton>你是中国人吧? 新年快乐!!
09:34<azeem_>seton: this is an english-only channel
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09:34<seton>okay ^_^
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09:35<seton>azeem, where are you from?
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09:35<seton>how can i talk to you only?
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09:36<azeem>seton: this is a support channel, not a chat room
09:36<metalqg>X broke when I tried to run it at 16bit
09:36<seton>oh! !~~~
09:36<metalqg>back to 24
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09:36<seton>I am sorry azeem, I just bump into this room
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09:38<azeem>seton: then either ask an on-topic (i.e. Debian support) question in english, keep quiet or leave, please
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09:40<anton>seton - stop bugging people...
09:41<azeem>anton: did seton /msg you?
09:41<seton>? what can do? I am not understand~ I am sorry
09:41<anton>azeem, yes, then dcc x3
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09:42<metalqga>nobody uses
09:43<anton>no - did you translate the pictures? (not sure how to describe the language above)
09:43<metalqga>dpkg told him to join the appropriate channel
09:43<dpkg>metalqga: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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09:43<metalqga>it was chinese he asked if there were chinese here
09:43<anton>有中国人在吗 = There are Chinese people in the right
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09:44<homecable>cc -Wall -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -O3 -I../../include -I../../arch/x86/include lguest.c -lz -o lguest
09:44<homecable>lguest.c:34:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory
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09:44<frunsk>i have a brand new ipod nano, how do i load a video into it?
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09:45<metalqga>it mounts like a normal flash memory?
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09:45<metalqga>otherwise i've heard that songbird is good for the fruity toys
09:45<anton>ipod nano needs software to make anything you put on it play - have a look at gtkpod
09:45<anton>amarok is supposed to do it too, not sure if songbird can (probably can)
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09:46<metalqga>it's one of the selling features for songbird (but not sure if it handles videos)
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10:09<client>can somone help me install alpha(or is it beta) of flash 10 64bit?
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10:10<yhlfh>client: just download it and move it to .mozilla/plugins
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10:10<client>it tells me to uninstall prior flash, so i uninstalled all flash packages using my package manager then i download the tar ball and move the .so file to the folder they tell me to but nohting happens
10:11<dpkg>it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
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10:12<yhlfh>dpkg: adobe flash
10:12<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
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10:12<client>so i need lenny?
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10:26<frunsk>are "world of goo" and chrome coming out for linux any time soon?
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10:31<metalqga>why is the impatience? I don't expect anything revolutionary... i'm sticking to opera instead
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10:36<frunsk>ff is kinda heavy
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10:46<metalqga>frunsk songbird worked for you? its based on ff :P
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10:53<frunsk>metalqga, songbird worx perfectly!
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10:59<cq>hellol, I have a weird problem... I have JAVA_HOME set correctly in my shell, but after invoking a /bin/sh script that variable is empty... any ideas?
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11:00<Waster>Can please anyone help me with the xen blktap support?
11:01<cq>try in irc://
11:01<cq>try in irc://
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11:04<frunsk>cp, the variable probably has to be set inside the shell
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11:07<Waster>thanks, will try
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11:09<frunsk>metalqga, i know it runs on xulrunner... i must say it's not so bad
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11:27<themill>cq: you need to export the variable. But nothing in debian should rely on JAVA_HOME. Use update-java-alternatives instead.
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11:27<cq>I'm trying to get funambol working... it's relying on it, or trying to run its java32 on my 64 bit system :(
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11:36<sam_>how do i make custom scripts
11:36<sam_>like mirc
11:37<Lenhix>For debian?
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11:37<sam_>yes debian based
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11:37<thedonvaughn>sam_: uhm, depends on the irc client you use. most support some form of scripting language
11:38<Lenhix>Learn some bash, and then edit, chmod it to be executable, and exec it by using ./
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11:38<sam_>ok i was just wondering how to execute it
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11:38<sam_>I already know some
11:38<thedonvaughn>oh you mean shell script. i just saw like mirc. *shrug*
11:38<sam_>it doesnt matter i was wondering both
11:39<SlimeyPete>you can also write scripts for your IRC client. XChat and irssi both support scripting.
11:39<SlimeyPete>I imagine bitchx does too.
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11:39<sam_>where is the script setting in xchat
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11:39<sam_>i see load plugin or script but how do i make one
11:39<Lenhix>Create/Edit the script file and then load it?
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11:39<sam_>oh i see
11:40<sam_>user defined commands
11:40<dkr>sam_: looking at an existing one to see how ti is done is probably a good idea. lots of them at
11:40<sam_>ok cool
11:40<SlimeyPete>I think you can write them in Perl or Python
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11:40<SlimeyPete>no idea where the documentation for the API is though
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11:40<sam_>yea i know perl but i would need to know the apis
11:41<sam_>anyways cya guys
11:41<sam_>thanks for the help
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11:41<dkr>SlimeyPete: wow, actually supports a lot more languages than I thought. :)
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11:42<SlimeyPete>Falcon? O.o never even heard of that one
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11:43<dkr>sounds scary. :) "Falcon provides six integrated programming paradigms: procedural, object oriented, prototype oriented, functional, tabular and message oriented."
11:44<SlimeyPete>sounds... erm... messy
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11:53<ratbag>im new to debian but ive used ubuntu so i know about the synaptic package manager and all that
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11:54<ratbag>problem is i cant find common things like flashplugin-nonfree in the debian package manager
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11:54<ratbag>any idea why its not in there?
11:54<petemc>ratbag: etch?
11:54<craigevil>!adobe flash
11:54<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
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11:56<ratbag>petemc: i have all the repositories ticked
11:56<Lenhix>craigevil: which version of debian are you using?
11:56<chealer>ratbag: which Debian suite do you use?
11:56<craigevil>Lenhix: i run sid on my desktop and on my eee
11:56<Lenhix>Auhm, ok.. I think the package is fine
11:57<ratbag>craigevil: not quite sure i just downloaded the netinstaller from the debian site
11:57<ratbag>lemme check
11:57<Lenhix>I had a problem installing the Flash 10 .tar.gz from Adobe in Etch. I managed to get the Flash 9 .tar.gz and it works perfectly
11:57<ratbag>is there a command that will tell me what suite i have>?
11:57<chealer>!tell ratbag about suite
11:58<ratbag>chealer: ill look it up real quick
11:59<ratbag>this is the iso i installed debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso
12:00<ratbag>and when installing i did not tick any extra boxes
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12:01<themill>ratbag: install the flashplayer-mozilla package from /msg dpkg dmme
12:02<ratbag>themill: can i do that in the terminal?
12:02<ratbag>thats how i usually install apps
12:02<themill>dpkg: tell ratbag about dmme
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12:02<chealer>ratbag: then you're using stable, and flashplugin-nonfree isn't in your available packages because it's not in stable. see to install it.
12:03<themill>ratbag: follow the instructions that the dpkg bot just gave you to add to your sources.list and then install using aptitude (or apt-get) as normal.
12:03<ratbag>thanks a lot
12:03<ratbag>themill u did the command wrong
12:03<ratbag>the bot didnt say anything
12:03<ratbag>dpkg: tell ratbag about dmme
12:04<themill>ratbag: it did... check for a different window or tab that the msg will have appeared in
12:04<ratbag>oh yea i see now thanks
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13:18<adama>this computer has some problem where the hw clock goes to 01/01/2000 every startup, it causes unnecessary fscks and other stupidity... can I set it up to somehow set the clock via ntpdate or so early in the startup?
13:19<metalqga>chech bios battery
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13:26<themill>adama: or disable fscks in with tune2fs
13:27<themill>(that's only treating one symptom, of course)
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13:31<metalqga>ntpdate sets my clock on startup
13:31<metalqga>but after fsck
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13:32<fxiny>i run ntpdate via cron
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13:32<themill>metalqga: never reboot? that's probably the easiest...
13:33<metalqga>well I hibernate
13:33<fxiny>polar bear :P
13:33<fxiny>metalqga: :)
13:34<fxiny>btw , LUKS+suspend works , i havn't checked it yet
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13:35<metalqga>btw yesterday my pc froze (the nasty chipset heatsink begs for a fan) and saw for the first time md raid error, but fsck synced it with no troubles
13:36<metalqga>but got me shaking for a moment :P
13:37<fxiny>my fan still spin with my legendary tootpick hack , more then 6 months :)
13:37<fxiny>and is f* silent
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13:38<metalqga>hardware hacking at its finest ;)
13:38<fxiny>this is top quality hack :)
13:38<fxiny>apple could patent it .P
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13:38<metalqga>fruity stick pro
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13:39<metalqga>the shake iT function
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13:41<fxiny>btw : i read gnu bios works ok
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13:41<santi>my usb mouse has stopped working after reinstalling X
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13:43<dell>one little question about a debian etch installation. every time i want to install debian on my pc it stops at hardware detection saying: "no cd-rom drive found"
13:43<dell>my pc has a ide dvd burner
13:43<dell>i tried it with a cd as install media and with a usb stick
13:44<metalqga>and checked the cd for errors?
13:44<fxiny>don't you like lenny ?
13:44<dell>lenny installation is the same
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13:44<metalqga>chipset drivers?
13:45<dell>the mainboard is a asus p5q-pro
13:45<dell>i don't really know which chipset drivers it uses
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13:46<metalqga>me thinks you have the same problem
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13:47<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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13:48<dell>I'll try etchnhalf
13:49<dell>but wait.. what kernel is in debian lenny?
13:50<dell>it is newer than the one in etchnhalf and on lenny installation it does not work, too
13:50<metalqga>dell I managed to install lenny with a usb stick and the iso stored on a partition
13:50<dell>i tried it with a usb stick, too
13:50<dell>the installer works
13:50<dell>but only till hardware detection
13:51<metalqga>do you have another working linux pc?
13:51<dell>i installed debian lenny on my netbook
13:51<metalqga>but the chipset will do s*it.....
13:51<dell>it works great
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13:52<dell>i hope it doesn't depend on the p45 chipset
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13:53<dell>i give the newest ubuntu distribution a try to see if this installer works
13:53<metalqga>prolly wont work
13:53<dell>and when ubuntu works it has to work with debian, too
13:54<santi>can anybody help me configure my usb mouse with X?
13:54<metalqga>read what's on top of xorg.conf
13:55<metalqga>dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
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13:58<kop>!tell rainmanp7 -about ask
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14:00<Worfi>guten abend
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14:02<rainmanp7>ask ?
14:02<Stuckey>Guten Abend Worfi
14:02<adama>rainmanp7: hi, please ask a debian-related question
14:02<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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14:02<rainmanp7>Can anyone here tell me how or where i can edit a Configuratin file to get my monitor settings reconized by the X ?
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14:03<adama>rainmanp7: what monitor settings?
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14:05<rainmanp7>Ahhh yes like the ubuntu has a Gnome Display thing and It says monitor un reconized etc.. and I want to make sure that the display in X moves way faster because it's crap right now. I'm using a Sony LCD Display
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14:06<rainmanp7>This way if I have to hardcode the display into a configuration file I can do it for other linux distros etc.. but especially for my own com wich i have switched from * to Nix
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14:07<rainmanp7>yeah the xrand thing says monitor doesn't even reconize a 60htrz refresh rate witch it does
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14:09<rainmanp7>or rather it says it can't give me 60hrtz at the current resolution for the desktop I just want to make the thing realize what i got and if I have to go to manufactures website and hardcode it to a file that's fine :) I just want to know where that file is :) thank you
14:10<fxiny>rainmanp7: xrandr -q and then gft
14:11<rainmanp7>k lemme try ;)
14:11<fxiny>it will certainly work
14:11<cahoot>rainmanp7: try gtf to create a modeline to put into xorg.conf
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14:11<fxiny>cahoot: i'm giving away the url *you* gave me , soooo popular :)
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14:12<rainmanp7>yeah that's the file i'm trying to get to the xorg.config
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14:13<hyperactivething>I wasn't sure which room to join...I'm having trouble with a Huawei modem
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14:13<cahoot>hyperactivething: on a debian system?
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14:15<hyperactivething>small distro derived from debian (voyage)
14:16<cahoot>hyperactivething: doesn't really qualify here - try ##linux or such
14:16<hyperactivething>ok then
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14:16<craigevil>just google Huawei modem there are set up guides for most distro
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14:18<rainmanp7>In a computer where would the xorg.conf file be located as in path ? example= ? ty
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14:19<dr|z3d>rainmanp7: Try the locate command.
14:19<dr|z3d>rainmanp7: eg: locate xorg.conf
14:19<rainmanp7>wow ty
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14:33<dell>can someone help me to insert the kernel into the debian-lenny businesscard.iso ?
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14:52<chealer>dell: if you don't mind, why would you do that?
14:52<metalqga>his chipset is not supported by etch and lenny
14:52<metalqga>but a knoppixcd boots with that kernel
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14:53<metalqga>the only thing that succeeded to boot on his p45 mobo
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14:53<Lenhix>How can I concatenate the output of a cat and a zcat to pipe both to a grep? I always have to run cat and zcat separately and filter each one
14:53<Valtiel-ASD>rebuild a kernel
14:53<dell>i try it with etchnhalf now
14:53<dell>it has the 2.6.24 kernel
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14:54<Valtiel-ASD>take the last stable kernel from kernel org
14:54<Valtiel-ASD>and build it
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14:56<jstein>Hi, i'd like to quit using synaptic because its slow, can't open links in description and can not download keys. Wich packetmanager GUI would you suggest to use in debian testing at the moment? Is there something more sophisticated out there?
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14:56<dr|z3d>jstein: If you want a gui, synaptic is king. Otherwise, from a console, try aptitude and dselect
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14:59<ArthurLiu>jstein, aptitude
14:59<ArthurLiu>try aptitude-gtk 0.5.1 in experimental
14:59<ArthurLiu>you could try the ncurses version too in all version
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15:00<barnes>what about webmin I think i remember somthing that its not included in etch becouse of security problems is that correct?
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15:00<dpkg>somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
15:01<barnes>thanks i remeber correct then
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15:02<barnes>stupid customer why does he use webmin
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15:02<metalqga>haha the knives part is very descriptive
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15:03<dell>no success with etchnhalf
15:03<metalqga>still can't find the dvd drive?
15:04<chealer>jstein: synaptic (no). it's called a package manager, BTW.
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15:04<dell>how can i use the latest kernel from for the installer.iso?
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15:05<chealer>dell: if you don't mind, why would you do that?
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15:06<dell>maybe the newest kernel supports my p45 chipset
15:06<chealer>ArthurLiu: aptitude is a TUI
15:06<mount-problem>hello, i need help
15:06<ArthurLiu>chealer, a TUI is nearly like a GUI :)
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15:08<mount-problem>i am having problems mounting a ntfs partition on gnome
15:09<EmleyMoor>How exactly are you doing it?
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15:09<metalqga>i'd use fat instead of ntfs (If i really have to share with windows users)
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15:10<valdyn>fat cant take huge files
15:10<mount-problem>by shell i can mount it. but on nautilus i cant
15:11<dr|z3d>mount-problem: You might find ntfs-config of use.
15:11<Lenhix>metalqga: I heard ntfs support is fine now. There should be no probs using it
15:12<metalqga>well i'm set in my ways :P
15:12<mount-problem>m using lenny with gnome
15:12<valdyn>!tell mount-problem -about ask
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15:19<jstein>dr|z3d: synaptic seems not to be a very active project. Same features since years and slow. I was rather looking for something better...
15:21<dr|z3d>jstein: It seems to be gradually gaining features, some cosmetic, some less so.
15:21<jstein>ArthurLiu: will aptitude-gtk get soon into testing? I am too scary to install experimental packages
15:21<ArthurLiu>it won't get into testing, testing is lenny now
15:22<ArthurLiu>it may get into unstable at some point
15:22<ArthurLiu>but the ncurses aptitude is not that hard to use
15:22<ArthurLiu>it's *much* better than dselect
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15:23<jstein>dselect is the worsed i have ever seen. I used it many (5?) years ago.
15:23<cq>how can I figure out why a script in /etc/init.d isn't starting? I have it ln -s to /etc/rc3.d and it works by hand...
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15:25<jstein>aptitude in ncurses can not do much. cant fetch missing gpg keys, cant open links in browser. It could be so easy... i cant belive that no gui can do this very usefull things.
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15:50<Stuckey>I'm trying to run some programs in wine but after installing them they don't show up anywhere (but I see them again when I try to install them again, in the installer menu inside of wine). Is anyone here good with wine?
15:51<dr|z3d>Stuckey: First stage, have a look for some .desktop files that the installer/wine should have created.
15:51<Stuckey>dr|z3d, Where does it place those?
15:52<dr|z3d>Stuckey: If you can put those in the appropriate location, possibly ~/.local/share you should be able to get them to display.
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15:53<hahnp>Stuckey: normaly they are placed in homedirectory/.wine/drive_c/programs
15:54<hahnp>then you can just run your program like this. wine program.exe
15:55<Stuckey>dr|z3d, Okay I'm going to look for those files; wine is strange.
15:55<Stuckey>hahnp, I can do that after I find where wine installed them.
15:55<hahnp>theres a directory placed in your home dir named .wine
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15:57<Stuckey>hahnp, Yeah, but if you read what I said, the programs aren't showing up there.
15:57<Stuckey>dr|z3d, what would be the best way to search for those files? with Locate or find?
15:57<hahnp>öhm... okay ^^
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15:57<hahnp>maybe you did something wrong during installation
15:58<dr|z3d>Stuckey: sure, locate would work well.
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16:01<Stuckey>dr|z3d, and I'm searching for ".desktop"?
16:02<Kasperl>A possibly very stupid question, but I can't find it on google. Is it possible to add a group to a group on a Debian system? I've got 6 users in one group, and 8 in another, and I want all 14 added to a third group. Can I add the two groups together so changes propogate to the combined group as well?
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16:03<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Yes. Or the name of the installed Wine app.
16:03<Stuckey>dr|z3d, you were right, it's got this in /root/.local/share/applications/wine/
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16:04<antonio2>hi all
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16:05<Stuckey>dr|z3d, so now what do I do that I've found this file?
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16:05<hahnp>search for drive_c
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16:05<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Bang it in ~/local/share etc
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16:06<dr|z3d>Stuckey: And then possibly restart your panel to see that change reflected.
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16:06<Stuckey>dr|z3d, by "Bang it" you mean move?
16:06<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Indeed. Move or copy. Copy better.
16:06<dr|z3d>Those links have a habit of disappearing, oddly.
16:07<dr|z3d>links/.desktop files.
16:07<Stuckey>Wine is wierd... but I suppose it has to be in order to opperate with windoze.
16:09<Stuckey>dr|z3d, where should I move this file to again?
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16:11<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Within the ~/.local/share structure
16:11<Stuckey>dr|z3d, yeah but it's already there?
16:12<Stuckey>it's in /root/.local/share
16:12<Stuckey>you mean to put it in /home/user/.local/share?
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16:13<dr|z3d>Stuckey: ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs
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16:14<syntech>anyone know if i can apt-get code::blocks?
16:15<jurg>syntech: apt-get install codeblocks maybe?
16:16<Lenhix>code::blocks sounds like a PERL module
16:16<Stuckey>dr|z3d, okay now what do I need to do to?
16:16<dr|z3d>Stuckey: try gnome-panel --restart
16:16<dr|z3d>And then check your app menu.
16:17<dr|z3d>(assuming you're using gnome)
16:17<Stuckey>Yeah, but there's no --restart option for that program.
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16:18<dr|z3d>Stuckey: ps -e |grep gnome -> kill <pid> -> gnome-panel &
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16:18<dr|z3d>Replace <pid> with the pid of gnome-panel.
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16:19<Hubbel>Hi all
16:19<Stuckey>dr|z3d, or I could give "kill -HUP x" where x is the pid of the panel.
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16:19<Stuckey>That would send it a signal to immediately restart.
16:20<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Whatever suits :)
16:20<Stuckey>dr|z3d, Yep that worked.
16:20<dr|z3d>Got your app icon visible now?
16:21<Stuckey>dr|z3d, nope
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16:21<Stuckey>dr|z3d, and still no files related to the program I installed with wine inside of the ~/.wine/ folder
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16:22<dr|z3d>Stuckey: .wine/drive_c ..?
16:22<Stuckey>dr|z3d, Yeah exactly, nothing in there related to the program.
16:22<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Sounds like a borked install, then, possibly.
16:23<Stuckey>dr|z3d, shit...
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16:23<Stuckey>What other alternatives exists besides windoze?
16:23<dr|z3d>Alternatives to do what?
16:23<Stuckey>dr|z3d, but that's the strangest thing... if I go threw wine to the install screen, I see the applications folder within ~/.wine/drive_c/ Program Files
16:23<Stuckey>How could that be explained?
16:24<dr|z3d>Seeing that visible and successfully installed to it are two different things. Try installing again, perhaps.
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16:25<Stuckey>dr|z3d, I see... well I've tried installing it several times; perhaps I'll just have to use windoze....
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16:25<dr|z3d>Stuckey: There's always VirtualBox..
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16:25<Stuckey>That's what I meant...
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16:26<dr|z3d>Ah, ok. Well, VB's not ideal, but then neither is Wine when it doesn't work.
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16:26<Stuckey>dr|z3d, is there way else?
16:27<syntech>Stuckey what are you trying to install?
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16:27<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Well, there's Crossover office or Cedega, which build upon Wine, depending on what you're trying to install. They're commercial apps, though.
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16:27<syntech>trying to install a game ?
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16:27<syntech>or application
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16:30<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Yes, what *are* you trying to install, anyways? :)
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16:37<jelly-home>hi, when doing an apt-get build-dep foo and it fails, how do I see exactly which deps are uninstallable?
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16:38<dr|z3d>jelly-home: You might find more information available if you use aptitude instead of apt-get
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16:39<jelly-home>dr|z3d: aptitude in etch doesn't have a build-dep
16:40<Stuckey>dr|z3d, syntech, It's an application, dictionaries.
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16:48<s3a>wireless card drives are stored in /lib/firmware but where are the ethernet card drivers located?
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16:48<azeem>s3a: that is firmware, not the drivers
16:49<azeem>if your ethernet card needs firmware, it'd be in /lib/firmware as well
16:50<s3a>azeem, ok but that's where I copy paste from ubuntu into debian and the hardware works...i want to install debian etch from other comp and then copy paste the driver or whatever into debian (it's on a flash drive)
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16:50<s3a>azeem, because I am using a newer laptop
16:50<azeem>s3a: if you use a laptop, consider installing lenny instead
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16:51<s3a>azeem, ill update to lenny but i dont have a lenny disc and itd be simpler to just do wat im planning
16:52<azeem>I don't think so
16:52<s3a>azeem, so where is the directory for non wireless?
16:52<azeem>you can'T copy&paste drivers
16:52<s3a>azeem, i've done it twice with two different wireless card
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16:52<azeem>s3a: by copy&pasting /lib/firmware?
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16:52<s3a>azeem, well the specific drivers i needed
16:52<dmoerner>s3a: what is the driver you think is missing in Debian?
16:53<s3a>it's missing in etch at least
16:53<azeem>etch is like 4 years old
16:53<dmoerner>yes, that is why you should use lenny
16:53<s3a>ya but i have no discs to burn
16:53<azeem>so buy some
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16:54<azeem>or boot via network or USSb or whatever
16:54<azeem>copying drivers from Ubuntu is the worest choice here
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16:55<s3a>i cant buy some for like a week
16:55<s3a>and i need debian on flash drive b4 then
16:55<azeem>keep using Ubuntu then
16:56<dmoerner>just install from the lenny netboot kernel/initrd
16:56<s3a>azeem, i alredy use debian lenny
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16:56<s3a>azeem, on my other comp
16:56<azeem>and hat is on this comp?
16:57<s3a>azeem, my laptop is ubuntu but my desktop is debian lenny
16:57<azeem>what is the problem with keeping it running for another week?
16:57<s3a>azeem, i need debian on flash drive to bring to sum1s house who has a brocken hd and im tired of ubuntu live CDs
16:57<azeem>so do you have a full etch cd?
16:58<s3a>i have etch dvd
16:58<Jeffer>Im using Debian Lenny (with Gnome) , im having problems mounting ntfs partitions with graphic interface, but i can mount it with shell. there is a way to mount it by graphic interface?
16:58<syntech>cd or dvd i don't think it matters as long as its ISO :<
16:58<azeem>s3a: so why don't you just install that on that sum1s box?
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16:59<syntech>s3a, goto a torrent site you can find many versions of things to put on flash drive
17:00<s3a>syntech, is there an official thing like that or is there only versions of ppl that like playing with things
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17:01<azeem>sure there are official torrents
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17:01<syntech>seek and you shall receive
17:01<s3a>azeem, im not talking bout installers, im talking bout a fresh installation to just copy paste over, but then what about grub?
17:02<azeem>yeah, what about?
17:02<dmoerner>just install directly to the flash drive
17:02<azeem>why not do a proper install?
17:02<dmoerner>there is no need to install to a system and then dd over to the flash drive
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17:02<Jeffer>Im using Debian Lenny (with Gnome) , im having problems mounting ntfs partitions with graphic interface, but i can mount it with shell. there is a way to mount it by graphic interface? (please someone help)
17:02<syntech>just treat the flash drive as the system
17:03<syntech>jeffer, you dont use a graphic interface
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17:03<azeem>syntech: jeffer does
17:03<azeem>syntech: 23:02 < Jeffer> Im using Debian Lenny (with Gnome)
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17:03*syntech sighs
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17:03<syntech>i learned how to mount manually when i was 9
17:04<antonio2>I wrote mount(1) when I was 9
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17:04<hahnp>i wrote unix when i was 7
17:04<azeem>guys, please keep it on topic
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17:05<s3a>ok well ill just shove in ubuntu and then replace it with debian when i have lenny burnt
17:05<s3a>thx anyways, i have to study now
17:05<syntech>s3a wait.
17:05<s3a>syntech, k
17:05<azeem>s3a: it's still pretty unclear what your underlying problem is
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17:06<azeem>and/or what you are trying to achieve
17:06<syntech>s3a, pretend you were installing it to your hard-drive except you are installing to a flash drive thats all...
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17:06<s3a>i want to install lenny on usb flash drive but i dont have any discs to burn and i need the OS on my flash drive b4 i can buy discs
17:06<syntech>it works hand in hand.
17:07<syntech>s3a, you got any stores near you ?
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17:07<syntech>cd's / dvds are cheaper then dirt.
17:07<azeem>s3a: why do you need ethernet to install?
17:07<azeem>or is the r8169 in your buddy's computer?
17:07<s3a>i need ethernet to update etch to lenny cuz i only have a etch disc
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17:08<s3a>r8169 is on my laptop's computer (ubuntu)
17:08<azeem>no wireles?
17:08<azeem>s3a: you can upgrade via CDs as well
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17:08<Hubbel><s3a>: maybe this could help you
17:09<s3a>azeem so i can download an .iso and use it to upgrade without burning it?
17:09<azeem>s3a: are you totally isolated so that nobody can burn an iso for you or you can burn it elsewhere?
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17:09<Stuckey>Which Virtual Box modules package do I need if I have an Intel Dual Core chip?
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17:10<s3a>wait brb
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17:10<Jeffer>syntech: I cant mount it by clicking my computer, right click sda2, mount
17:10<dmoerner>Stuckey: virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r)
17:11<syntech>type mkdir /mnt/whateveryouwant then type mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt/whatyoutyped
17:12<Jeffer>i made it
17:12<Jeffer>i can mount using shell
17:12<syntech>its easier
17:12<syntech>and then if you have trouble type man mount xD
17:13<azeem>syntech: I think Jeffer's point is that he knows mount(1) and thinks it sucks
17:13<Jeffer>buit I was able to mount this way
17:13<syntech>i guess
17:14<Jeffer>i want to mount it by clicking my computer - right click sda2 > mount
17:14<Jeffer>is a NTFS partition
17:15<Jeffer>there is any way to done it?
17:15<Hubbel>write a script *g*
17:15<jrabbit>"You can go back to your, what do you call it, your Google, and you figure out all that"
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17:16<Jeffer>i didnt found by google
17:16<Jeffer>anyone knows how to done it?
17:17<azeem>Jeffer: did you consider putting it into /etc/fstab?
17:17<Jeffer>well, how to done it?
17:17<flypiper>is there an iceweasel expert here that can tell me how to remove Adobe SVG components from the browser?
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17:18<Jeffer>(i will be able to mount and umount when i want, or it will mount on startup?)
17:18<azeem>the latter
17:18<azeem>but of course, you can still unmoutn/mount it manually, like any other parition
17:19<azeem>flypiper: try removing the librsvg2-common package
17:19<Jeffer>but by right click way? or by shell/
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17:19<flypiper>azeem, Thanks I will try it
17:20<azeem>by shell
17:20<azeem>Jeffer: right click is for removable media
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17:20<azeem>maybe it can be done, but I don't know how
17:20<Jeffer>no... it i know how to done
17:20<pako>pepe el toro es inocente
17:20<jrabbit>I'm too lazy to use the lmgtfy site
17:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:21<pako>where you from?
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17:21<Jeffer>well,, if you discover anyone who can do it, plase tell me?
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17:22<pako>what are you doing?
17:22<azeem>pako: this is a support channe, either ask an on-topic question, or keep queit, please
17:22<pako>but wath
17:24<pako>you play world of warcraft
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17:37<debianNooB21>Hey guys, i need a histroy lesson, what command came first apt ot dpkg?
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17:39<debianNooB21>could i say that apt offers more functionality then dpkg
17:40<debianNooB21>and anything I can do with dpkg i can do in apt?
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17:41<adama>apt uses dpkg to do what it does
17:42<adama>I wouldn't really say those other things
17:43<debianNooB21>ya i hear you, if apt uses dpkg
17:43<debianNooB21>then why apt for?
17:43<adama>it resolves dependencies, is the main reason I suppose
17:44<weasel>apt can download stuff.
17:44<weasel>dpkg doesn't.
17:44<dpkg>Yes I do!
17:44<weasel>no, you don't
17:44<debianNooB21>dpkg go to hell
17:44*dpkg (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go to hell, go to hell, just damn go. Home.
17:45<debianNooB21>would you say that apt is like a shell or wraper for dpkg
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17:46<newsense>front end
17:46<ArthurLiu>debianNooB21, look at some of the past posts
17:46<ArthurLiu>have fun deciphering the graphs
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17:47<debianNooB21>last noob question does dselect and aptiude us dpkg or apt or both.
17:47<debianNooB21>ArthurLiu: will do thanks.
17:48<twobitsp1ite>apt is not a program
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17:48<ArthurLiu>twobitsp1ite, actually it is, but not the one you're thinking about :)
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17:49<twobitsp1ite>it's a collection of libraries for interacting with the apt database and dpkg... there are a number of programs which serve as apt frontends, namely apt-get/apt-cache and aptitude
17:49<twobitsp1ite>ArthurLiu: what is it?
17:49<debianNooB21>twobitsp1ite: i am referring to the apt commands.
17:49<ArthurLiu>graffit@aeris:~$ apt
17:49<ArthurLiu>Usage: apt <apt and javac options> <source files>
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17:52<debianNooB21>haaaa so are you saying that apt itself are libs and the apt commands are front ends to the database and installing package?
17:53<debianNooB21>and programs like deselect and others use the apt libs?
17:53<twobitsp1ite>debianNooB21: yep
17:54<stevecotton>dselect doesn't, the others do
17:54<twobitsp1ite>ohh, right
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17:55<twobitsp1ite>yeah, I'm not sure... I guess I always figured it did
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17:55<goodger>well, actually the package database and installation are done by dpkg
17:55<goodger>or rpm *shudder*
17:55<azeem>dselect is way older than apt
17:55<goodger>those are frontends to it, yes
17:55<goodger>though dselect is largely irrelevant this millennium
17:55<debianNooB21>then deselect uses dpkg command directly?
17:55<goodger>no. wait
17:55<goodger>dselect is nothing to do with apt, it's a dpkg frontend and the precursor
17:55<goodger>apt replaced dselect
17:55<goodger>wait, there's a diagram of this somewhere
17:55<twobitsp1ite>goodger: I thought apt had a suplimental db for keeping track of apt-y stuff
17:56<goodger>it does
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17:57<debianNooB21>goodger : by your sayings. then deselect in not used anymore?
17:57<goodger>keep in mind that this is the *simple* version ¬.¬
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17:58<debianNooB21>simple over what ? dpkg?
17:59<goodger>debianNooB21: not since the mid-nineties IIRC
17:59<goodger>debianNooB21: the diagram is "simple"
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17:59<twobitsp1ite>debianNooB21: generally not that I know of... most people either use dpkg directly for local pkg management, or apt-get/aptitude/synaptic for apt-y stuff
17:59<stevecotton>Theres' a bug somewhere where the maintainer of dselect resigns, because he's using aptitude instead. Then several other people offer to maintain dselect, followed by them posting "I've tried aptitude, I'm not using dselect any more"
18:00<twobitsp1ite>stevecotton: awesome
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18:00<debianNooB21>so that is a yes to the question that deselect is dead?
18:00<debianNooB21>haha sorry, noob here
18:01<twobitsp1ite>I don't know if its dead, but its not important because you don't need it. Use aptitude or synaptic
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18:01<debianNooB21>twobitsp1ite : 10 4 over and out! thanks.
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18:03<goodger>stevecotton: good. insert less strongly-worded alternative to "dselect must burn!" here
18:03<goodger>debianNooB21: it's not really dead, it's just not useful
18:03<debianNooB21>goodger : that flow chart is great, answers all my questions. but it looks like dselect does also use the apt system?
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18:04<goodger>debianNooB21: I have no idea. just don't use dselect :P
18:05<debianNooB21>stevecotton: thanks for the link. how did you find that information so fast?
18:05<gbp>does anyone have a link for installing kde 4.2 on etch? believe it or not web searches haven't given me an answer thus far
18:05<dmoerner>gbp: don't even try. it will not be successful
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18:06<goodger>gbp: you can compile it yourself if you have strong masochistic tendencies. KDE4 will not be backported to either etch or lenny
18:06<gbp>so i have to install lenny?
18:06<goodger>no, it will not be backported to lenny either
18:06<gbp>ok then
18:06<debianNooB21>goodger: yes, yes i got that. just more of an fyi... i guess. I thought someone here just say that deselect and nothing to do with apt... But it is all good.
18:06<debianNooB21>death to deselect. :)
18:07<gbp>is it still a pain in the rear end to update distribution through aptitude etc?
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18:07<dmoerner>kde4.1 is backported to lenny, kde4.2 will not be, to be more precise
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18:08<ArthurLiu>gbp, be fearless and go for a sid/experimental install :)
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18:09<debianNooB21>may i ask what version of kde is in etch and lenny?
18:10<gbp>3.x atm for me
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18:10<dmoerner>judd: versions kde
18:10<judd>dmoerner: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48
18:10<dmoerner>judd: versions kdebase
18:10<judd>dmoerner: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1
18:11<goodger>well, it's difficult to tell. my ownership of a computer seems to postdate the obsoletion of dselect
18:11<goodger>gbp: not really, with some caveats. one moment please
18:11<goodger>dmoerner: I can cite numerous sources that indicate that KDE4 will not be in lenny because it is pathetically broken
18:11<goodger>dpkg: hellooo?
18:11<dpkg>goodger: I give up, what is it?
18:11<goodger>am I ignoring dpkg again?
18:11<goodger>debianNooB21: 3.5.something in lenny, not sure about etch --- maybe 3.4? I don't know what version of KDE was in use when etch was frozen
18:11<goodger>I'm not ignoring dpkg
18:11<goodger>what's wrong with it?
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18:12<gbp>can I go etch->sid and skip lenny?
18:12<dmoerner>goodger: what are you talking about?
18:12<dmoerner>goodger: etch has 3.5.5a, as judd just told us
18:12<stevecotton>debianNooB21: I knew that bug would be listed on
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18:14<goodger>botlag FTL
18:14<gbp>i'm going to use tasksel to go back to a new-install and upgrade to sid, should be less dependency hell
18:15<goodger>dmoerner: dpkg is being intermittent
18:15<goodger>dmoerner: I sent that message a long time before receiving the one from judd
18:15<goodger>ah, KDE 4.1 has been backported
18:15<goodger>it's still not in lenny, though. lenny+backports != lenny
18:16<dmoerner>yes, i never said 4.1 was in lenny
18:17<debianNooB21>dam I have a lot to learn..... i didnt even knen of a backport until now.. man,,,
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18:18<craigevil>will adobe flash 10 run on etch?
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18:19<goodger>there is very little dependency hell anyway
18:19<goodger>in fact there is no dependency hell if you follow the instructions
18:19<goodger>craigevil: there shouldn't be anything stopping it
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18:25<jelly-home>craigevil: no, libgtk not new enough
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18:26<craigevil>jelly-home: thanks i didnt think it would
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18:28<jelly-home>afaiui it needs GTK+ 2.10 and etch is at 2.8
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19:12<dumbhandle>so i'm looking at the specs for the grub menu.lst file and i noticed that the password is encrypted with md5. is that accurate?
19:12<dumbhandle>is it the only option?
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19:57<jews4dead>is /etc/services all the services currently running, or something else?
19:57<Supaplex>it's common services. just a list.
19:57<jews4dead>thought as much when I saw telnet and stuff
19:57<jews4dead>trying to secure my install, so I want to see if there is anything running that I don't want
19:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, harden is D:SbD, or, or read
19:58<llimeht>you probably want to look at netstat then
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19:58<jews4dead>I did
19:58<jews4dead>it seems to just be running what I need
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19:58<jews4dead>oh man, why am I using this nick...
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19:59<j-debian>is it normal that proftpd doesn't have any ip? ie. not even zeros, but just a port?
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20:06<newsense>j-debian: run ps on it and see what the full command line was and see if an interface or address is specified ?
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20:23<dpkg>i guess qotd154 is 11:41 < greycat> o/~ BREEZY, BREEZY / GIVE ME THE ANSWER, DUDE! / I INSTALLED IT / AND NOW ALL MY DISKS ARE SCREWED! o/~ (add "lol" to taste)
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20:27<linuxgurl>hey everyone
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20:40<debianNooB21>how offen do you guys use backport packages?
20:41<adama>me never, I run only Lenny
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20:54<guilherme>i saw : configure: error: FreeType 32-bit development files not found. Fonts will not be built. what i need to install to correct it??
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20:59<guilherme>i saw : configure: error: FreeType 32-bit development files not found. Fonts will not be built. what i need to install to correct it, or what i need to do ??
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21:16<eljefe>How can I set my CPU freq file 'scaling_min_freq' at boot to be its lowest option (113000) ? When I boot up everytime it goes to the full 900000. I've tried echoing a new value from rc.local but its not doing the trick :(
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21:24<abrotman>kpas: are you broken?
21:25<kpas>don't know
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21:39<mere_image>hello. anyone know a way to boost the sound levels of my system? kinda like a software amp or something?
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21:45<goshawk>mere_image: alsamixer
21:45<matu>im gonna flood u hahahaah
21:46<mere_image>yeah. alsamixer doesn't boost sound. it just controls soundlevels that are already possible
21:46<abrotman>i'm going to give you a 'y' and an 'o' .. HAHAH
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21:47<matu>bip lol
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21:48<matu>it should be great to sound everybody lol
21:48<abrotman>matu: do you have a Debian related question?
21:48<matu>not rly lol
21:48<abrotman>matu: then please be quiet
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21:50<matu>mouarf :D
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22:06<Mystmoon>unseen you there
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22:36<lee>Well, I done did it
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22:44<lee>I rpped out my ATI raidon X300
22:44<lee>now I need help on finding the right Nvidea drivers
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22:45<bbcdd>Anybody else with Debian Lenny experiencing a broken laptop battery meter on the panel?
22:46<Supaplex>bbcdd: which package? check bts
22:46<bbcdd>Symptoms: Doesn't respond to configuration, extra % after the intended % on the display. Supaplex; BTS?
22:47<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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23:16<bbcdd>$ ibam
23:16<bbcdd>No apm data available.
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23:16<bbcdd>It says that apmd is already the latest,... what is the best battery monitor for a laptop that some of you have found?
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23:46<isaak>does anyone know if i can use photoshop on ubunto
23:52<lee>looks like Ubuntu still hasn't fixed that problem
23:52<bbcdd>isaak; GiMP is what you want, you will thank yourself in time. Photoshop is crusty.
23:53<lee>is learning to gimp
23:53<chealer>bbcdd: probably KPowersave (which uses hal as a backend)
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23:53<brian17>help!, how do i logout in debian from the command line?
23:54<bbcdd>chealer; you are amazing as always.
23:54<brian17>how do i logout from the command line?
23:54<blarson>brian17: exit
23:54<brian17>that only closes xterm window
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23:55<brian17>i am in wmii
23:55<lee>I still can't believe some of the commands I grew up with are still, in opperation for today
23:55<brian17>i have no idea what i am doing in wmii
23:55<brian17>how do i quit and return to gdm
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23:56<lee>hmm try right clicking on the desktop, and see if some options come up
23:56<blarson>brian17: killall
23:56<lee>hmm that works too
23:56<bbcdd>chealer; I'm xfce4... think it would still work for me?
23:56<brian17>killall brings up help info
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23:57<lee>bbcdd how come were getting Ubuts in here?
23:58<blarson>killall -u USER
23:58<chealer>bbcdd: it should still work - but there may be something appropriate
23:58<chealer>s/appropriate/more appropriate/
23:59<bbcdd>lee; no clue what you're talking about... I am not giving you whatever Ubuts you are getting.
23:59<lee>Imeant to to say Ubuntu persons
23:59<bbcdd>I'm certainly not putting my Ubuts "in there"
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