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01:03<netzwurm>hey, if i deleted an initscript for a package, what's the quickest way to get that back?
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01:05<twb>netzwurm: aptitude reinstall foo ?
01:05<stew>netzwurm: /msg dpkg confmiss
01:07<netzwurm>twb: i would assume that that doesn't work if it has been manually deleted.
01:07<netzwurm>twb: since it's a configfile.
01:07<netzwurm>stew: that did it.
01:07<netzwurm>stew: thanks :)
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01:19<Valtiel-ASD>how tosetup an apple aluminium keyboard on debian ?
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01:20<jm_>why do you think you need to set it up?
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01:21<Valtiel-ASD>i need a change layout
01:22<jm_>you can do that in config file, or using the tools to change it on the fly - many options
01:22<Valtiel-ASD>what tool
01:23<jm_>search for "keyboard switch" or whatever
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01:23<jm_>in general it's done via xkb, also a good search term
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01:37<twb>On Apple keyboards, at the hardware level, the Super and Meta keys are swapped (compared to a PC keyboard).
01:37<twb>From the left, it is Control, Option (Meta), ⌘ (Super).
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01:51<oipunx>is there anyway to use xvidcap so that it will record only one workspace?
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01:53<jm_>oipunx: don't switch the workspace while recording
01:53<oipunx>besides that
01:53<oipunx>i wanna work on another workspace while it's recording in one work space
01:54<jm_>or pause the recording and continue later, no other options
01:58<oipunx>any other prog that can do that?
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02:03<bighornram>I'm trying to let a friend connect ssh to my lenny machine in a hotel network environment. Keep getting connection refused on his win machine with winscp. I have disabled my firewall. any tips?
02:04<jm_>!connection refused
02:04<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
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02:12<valdyn>oipunx: you can run a seperate X server, at least with some drivers
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02:14<valdyn>oipunx: or uh with all drivers, using xnest
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02:15<hash>hi everyone
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02:33<ImSad>er uhh I don't wanna be here.
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02:34<kingsley>Does either apt-get or aptitude have an option that tells it to update a certain package's dependencies to their newest versions? If so, what is it?
02:35<henkmetselaar>that should go automatic
02:38<Supaplex>I'm using rsync on a normally idle system from esata ntfs-3g (100gb tarball) to a ext3 on lvm on external drive, and I'm getting 800kb/s while the load is over 8.0 (4core amd64 1300mhz cpu). I see five pdflush threads in D state, one instance of sync in D state, along with some others.
02:38<Supaplex>why is the performance so lack luster?
02:38<Supaplex>there's 6gb of ram too.
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02:41<kingsley>Supaplex: Have you looked at top's output, especially with some of it's non-default options for I/O?
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02:41<Supaplex>non default?
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02:42<Supaplex>humm. load is 11.4 and I'm starting to feel it.
02:42<kingsley>top's output is configurable.
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02:43<jm_>tried using kernel ntfs driver instead of ntfs-3g?
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02:46<Supaplex>worth a shot. I interrupted rsync, but that sync pid is still waiting. hummm
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02:49<metalqga>so ntfs support is really good?
02:49<Supaplex>not my box really. :)
02:49<jm_>I only use it for RO access and kernel one does good job
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02:50<metalqga>i may have my usb stick formatted to ntfs for some testing
02:50<metalqga>although I don't bump into that fs that often
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02:55<Supaplex>top - 00:55:00 up 1:23, 5 users, load average: 16.65, 10.88, 8.87
02:55<henkmetselaar>geinige nick, kauwgom
02:56<somae7>is there a command to find the bios version?
02:56<jm_>try dmidecode
02:56<Supaplex>or hwinfo
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02:58<somae7>dmidecode did it - thanks
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03:23<badserii>Hi, does someone have experience with ssh tunneling for mysql ? I had it done, but when mysql is in use, and when I do a netstat -vuptan on the client machine, there are plenty connections with TIME_WAIT status. Is it normal, of if not, how to correct this. Thank you in advance!
03:24<maxb>TIME_WAIT is a normal part of TCP. it is not cause for concern
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03:27<Supaplex>well. ntfs is tEh suckethyness
03:27<Supaplex>rsync is done, and load is 0.30 now.
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03:32<badserii>maxb: thank you. I was worrying :)
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03:41<ocadmin>hy can someone help me out with mdadm? I createt my md devices like this mdadm --create /dev/md0 --auto=yes -l 1 -n 2 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 but now i want to delete the array md0 how can I do that? the OS sais that no array md0 exists???
03:41<jm_>does it show up in /proc/mdstat?
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03:42<twb>At least NTFS supports sparse files and files over 2GB.
03:42<twb>Unlike, say, FAT
03:42<valdyn>ocadmin: you stop it, once its stopped you --zerol-superblock on the raid members
03:42<valdyn>ocadmin: you stop it, once its stopped you --zero-superblock on the raid members
03:42<ocadmin>jm_: mdstat shows Personalities : [raid1]
03:42<ocadmin>unused devices: <none>
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03:43<jm_>does it list md0? with sdc1 and sdd1 as members?
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03:44<ocadmin>how can i check that?
03:44<jm_>uhm cat /proc/mdstat
03:45<ocadmin>yes that was the output that i have pasted
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03:45<ocadmin>thats what i get when i do the cat /proc/mdstat
03:45<jm_>jus tthat? no md0: active raidX sdc1[Y] sdd1[Z] line?
03:45<ocadmin>no just the 2 lines :-(
03:46<jm_>then you don't have any active md devices
03:46<ocadmin>thats right i stopped the md devices because I wanted to create a lvm on it
03:46<valdyn>Supaplex: your system should get really sluggish too
03:46<valdyn>Supaplex: with insane response lag
03:47<metalqga>ocadmin declare it broken(or sth like that) check mdadm --help
03:47<valdyn>Supaplex: i cant tell you a fix, i only know its filesystem independent
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03:47<ocadmin>metalqga: tryed to do that but if i want to declare it broken i get: mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0
03:48<valdyn>Supaplex: is this an rsync run over a huge number of files?
03:48<metalqga>try the partitions
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03:49<valdyn>ocadmin: i dont get what the problem is, you stopped the array, that makes it no longer by in /proc/mdstat
03:49<weasel>ocadmin: what's the problem? just zero the superblock already?
03:49<valdyn>ocadmin: and you sure as hell cant put lvm on a stopped raid
03:49<ocadmin>ah now it works. I had a bad superblock on /dev/sdd1
03:50<ocadmin>thanks guys
03:52<Supaplex>valdyn: 1 large tarball
03:53<valdyn>Supaplex: i scrolled back, thats ntfs, different issue
03:53<valdyn>Supaplex: i believe its something to do with fragmentation or somesuch
03:53<valdyn>Supaplex: it will slow down extremely but it can also speed up again on the next file
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03:54<Supaplex>cpu time looks low, but load average is high based on i/o. I'm going to test this when I get home on the etch kernel. This one is lenny, and I wonder if the newer kernel doesn't handle this optimaly. humm okay.
03:54<valdyn>Supaplex: ( way worse effect than fragmentation alone would do though )
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03:55<valdyn>Supaplex: maybe its on the ntfs-3g bug tracker
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04:23<zulu>I have a /usr/local/include/geotiff.h and I want to know which package installed it, how do I do?
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04:24<jm_>zulu: packages don't install stuff in /usr/local
04:24<jm_>official packages anyway
04:24<EmleyMoor>zulu: How do you manage your /usr/local?
04:24<zulu>and if it's not an official, package
04:24<jm_>dpkg -S geotiff.h
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04:24<dpkg>You Fool! geotiff.h is installed!
04:24<zulu>EmleyMoor I did know there exist a usr/local :)
04:25<zulu>dpgk: *geotiff.h* not found..
04:25<EmleyMoor>zulu: But how, if any way, do you manage it?
04:25<zulu>I dont
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04:25<Supaplex>zulu: we're talking apt here. if apt didn't track it, anything could have created that. Debian policy for packages forbid casual use of /usr/local by packages. that's reserved for the user to decide if they need anything there.
04:25<EmleyMoor>OK - geotiff.h is obviously part of something you dropped there
04:26<zulu>I swear I did not manually installed nothin
04:26<zulu>ok EmleyMoor
04:26<zulu>ok thx, I suppose I can move it
04:26<Supaplex>technically debian doesn't rely on /usr/local to function.
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05:00<unanxbt>My GDM is not starting automatically, can anyone help me?
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05:02<sushui>dpkg-reconfigure gdm ??
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05:04<yann|work>I'm looking for an aptitude search pattern that would match packages currently installed from a specified origin - anyone knows how to do that ?
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05:05<gsimmons>yann|work: aptitude search '~i~Ofoo'
05:05<otake666>hi there guys, maybe one of can give me a hint for my problem, i have a fresh installation of the latest rc of etch and i have the problem that everything is reachable from the server but the server himself is not reachable
05:05<yann|work>gsimmons: no, that gives me installed packages that have any version in foo, even if the currently installed is not from foo
05:06<yann|work>I also tried adding ~VCURRENT but that does not help either
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05:09<themill>!which repo
05:09<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
05:10<enouf>yann|work: you mean specified mirror? or origin? those are not the same
05:11<unanxbt>My GDM is not starting automatically, can anyone help me?
05:11<enouf>unanxbt: why not? if sushui's suggest doesn't help, try also 'update-alternatives --config x-session-manager' and maybe even gdmsetup
05:11<yann|work>enouf: I do mean origin
05:12<enouf>yann|work: got an example?
05:12<unanxbt>enouf, ok, lemme try
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05:12<themill>enouf: aptitude search
05:12<yann|work>~O"Unofficial Multimedia Packages"
05:12<enouf>~$ aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i
05:12<enouf>~$ grep-status -F Maintainer '' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed'
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05:13<unanxbt>enouf, it says; here is only 1 program which provides x-session-manager (and) (/usr/bin/gnome-session). Nothing to configure.
05:13<enouf>themill: there's a reason i asked yann|work , and not the channel :-)
05:13<themill>enouf: it's another example that doesn't work as expected. whatever.
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05:14<enouf>themill: huh? .. do i need more coffee?
05:15<yann|work>enouf: that grep-status line is quite accurate, thanks
05:15<jm_>but not the same
05:15<enouf>unanxbt: which debian version are you using? and what happened to make it not start automatically?
05:15<yann|work>but I'm still curious how that could be done with aptitude directly
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05:15<enouf>yann|work: i think you/i/we have a database issue
05:15<yann|work>maybe the current search patterns do not allow that ?
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05:16<enouf>the aptitude command i showed also returns different results than that grep-status here, but i don't use aptitude, so i'd kind of expect that
05:16<unanxbt>I Installed kde 4.2, it asked me to enable kdm and I did, later I uninstall kde (it sucks) and also kdm, and re-enable gdm but gdm is not starting automatically.
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05:17<enouf>unanxbt: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager -- but that sushui command should reset GDM to default, if it's still installed
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05:17<jm_>unanxbt: did you possibly remove symlinks in /etc/rc?.d dirs?
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05:18<yann|work>and well, apt-listrepository is awesome too - thanks themill :)
05:18<unanxbt>enouf, jm_ lemme answer you both ;)
05:18<unanxbt>enkrypt, cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager says; /usr/bin/gdm
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05:19<unanxbt>jm_, I did this update-rc.d gdm defaults but it says that the link already exits
05:19<jm_>unanxbt: in that case check gdm logfile
05:19<unanxbt>jm_, where i can find it?
05:20<jm_>unanxbt: it's also possible you have deleted only some links (\say Start) and update-rc.d is exiting
05:20<jm_>unanxbt: I think it's /var/log/gdm.log - do you have bootlog enabled?
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05:21<unanxbt>jm_, bootlog? sorry!
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05:23<enouf>try update-rc.d -f ... check if /etc/rc2.d/S20gdm symlink exists (IINM)
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05:24<enouf>!tell unanxbt -about bootlogd
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05:24<unanxbt>enkrypt, update-rc.d -f without any thing?
05:25<enouf>no, just add the -f to what you had before
05:25<stevem_>Lo, I use a command like... su - myuser -c "/bin/mycommand" in rc.local so the process starts as another user, but it never works... but the command does work if typed manually... any guesses on another way I can run something from rc.local as another user in background?
05:26<unanxbt>enouf, now I first did: "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" and then "update-rc.d gdm defaults"
05:26<enouf>bah, -f is for removal - unanxbt do this; dpkg -l gdm | tail -n 1
05:27<unanxbt>enouf, if you are online, i am going to restart my PC to check!
05:27<enouf>apt-get install --reinstall gdm
05:28<enouf>stevem_: try su - myuser bash -c "/bin/mycommand"
05:28<unanxbt>enouf, let me restart my system to check :)
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05:28<stevem_>enouf, what command I'm starting is a #!/bin/sh
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05:29<enouf>then maybe just replace bash with &&, or a ; even
05:29<jm_>stevem_: what does it say? you can use start-stop-daemon too, it has switch user functionality
05:30<stevem_>jm_, well I never get to see, it tries on startup
05:30<jm_>stevem_: enable bootlog
05:30<stevem_>wouldn't like to restart it tho - it's my main server
05:30<enouf>stevem_: did you edit /etc/init.d/S99rc.local or the /etc/rc.local ?
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05:31<enouf>stevem_: ~$ find /etc -name '*rc.local*' 2>/dev/null | xargs
05:31<unanxbt>enouf, no, gdm is still not starting automatically
05:32<jm_>well that's the only way you'll see the real error, maybe it's something about requiring tty
05:32<enouf>unanxbt: did you reinstall it? where's that dpkg -l output?
05:32<stevem_>and that does...
05:32<stevem_>look other stuff in /etc/rc.local works fine - just not this
05:33<superjet_busy>have set font aliases in ~/.fonts.conf, however, fc-match gives wrong orders?
05:33<unanxbt>enouf, yes, i reinstalled it
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05:34<enouf>unanxbt: see if gdmsetup helps - maybe you just need to tell it you want autologin or something
05:34<enouf>unanxbt: where's that dpkg -l gdm | tail -n 1 output?
05:34<unanxbt>enouf, i already enabled autologin
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05:35<unanxbt> dpkg -l gdm | tail -n 1 say; ii gdm 2.20.8-0ubuntu3 GNOME Display Manager
05:35<dpkg>ii gdm | tail -n 1 say; ii gdm 2.20.8-0ubuntu3 GNOME Display Manager 1.4-5 unanxbt's private stamp collection
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05:36<themill>unanxbt: if you're using ubuntu, then you'll get much better help fro #ubuntu on
05:36<enouf>unanxbt: see #ubuntu on - the ubuntus use /etc/<something>/ .. they replaced the entire rc?.d system with their upstart stuff
05:37<unanxbt>themill, i launhed xchat and click "connect" is ubuntu not debian?
05:37<themill>unanxbt: no it isn't.
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05:37<enouf>!tell unanxbt -about based on debian
05:37<unanxbt>i heard that it is derived from ubuntu!
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05:38<enouf>!tell unanxbt -about ubuntu
05:38<jm_>i wonder when debian will switch to upstart
05:38<enouf>!tell unanxbt -about get your facts straight! :-P
05:38<themill>Does anyone else here feel like adding their thoughts to ?
05:38<questionix>where can I get the "sid" release? I'm checking and the most "up-to-date" I can find is the daily built images of testing. Is this sid equivalent?
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05:39<enouf>jm_: that's the day i will upchuck
05:39<unanxbt>hmm, do you have any idea why this gdm thing is not starting?
05:39<themill>unanxbt: no. Ask #ubuntu on
05:39<otake666>hi there guys, maybe one of can give me a hint for my problem, i have a fresh installation of the latest rc of etch and i have the problem that everything is reachable from the server but the server himself is not reachable
05:39<unanxbt>how can i go there?
05:39<jm_>enouf: why?
05:39<jm_>otake666: try to provide more details if you want help
05:40<themill>unanxbt: /server /join #ubuntu
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05:40<unanxbt>themill, lemme try
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05:41<mikegrb>upstart is wonderously crappy
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05:42<jm_>well it's in experimental but I can't be arsed recovering if it sucks ;)
05:42<themill>Changing to upstart was one of those wondrous "change more than one thing at a time and then not know what made the difference" events. Upstart gets the credit for speeding up the boot process but it looks more like it was switch from bash to dash for /bin/sh
05:43<jm_>yeah it can handle way more than just startup stuff
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05:47<jm_>well I switched to suspend to disk, now system starts way faster than even with upstart and the likes
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05:50<themill>yeah, I've always wondered what the attraction of fast startup times was. I mean, that implies that you've rebooted... (plus s2disk saves the current state of your desktop, what files you had open, position of cursor etc)
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05:50<jm_>it's annoying if you poweroff your machine daily and then always wait 1 minute before you can start working
05:51<OdyX>suspend 2 ram is even faster !
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05:51<OdyX>(but consumes energy)
05:51<jm_>yeah I recently measured my appliances use 20W when powered off, so now I am switching off my cord extension :)
05:52<jm_>that's three computers, two monitors, speakers, headphones
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05:54<themill>20W? ouch.
05:55<EmleyMoor>I have little I can switch off these days
05:57<jm_>themill: one box is using 4W when powered off, and 1.5W when suspended to RAM - now how stupid is that?
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05:57<themill>jm_: that's not a great sign at all.
05:57<jm_>no wonder EU is pushing that power off means no energy used initiative
05:58<jm_>the joy of intel deisgns (ATX etc.)
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05:58<themill>They've got a fight on their hands though -- so much stuff is soft-start and requires a little power to be trickling through just so that on button will work
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06:05<enouf>+5v trickle in ATX
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06:22<kurumin>hello world
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06:34<Azazzs>do debian support nfsv3 over tcp
06:35<Azazzs>k ....cant seem to get it working with esxi
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06:52<TakeABow>Hey, can someone help me install an ftp on debian please?
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06:52<diego>hi, my keyboard freaked out only inside gnome
06:52<diego>it works until I open gnome ... some bad update :S
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06:53<diego>any help ... its a hp pavilion notebook, I can't use the kb in graphic mode :S
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06:56<jim_p>how can i configure my kde4 kdm themes and options?
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07:04<shell>это русскоязычный канал?
07:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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07:08<shell>:) ok. i see. but if some one can answer for few simple questions... may be i better stay? :)
07:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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07:14<shell>omg! its working!!! i did it! HOLY DEBIAN!!! DAMN UBUNTU! i tryed to install ubuntu interpid ibex onto my intel embedded raid on S5000PSL Matherboard... about 12 hours... than i get debian... and its installed from the first time. without any sexual pervertion...
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07:15<shell>thank you very mach... all of you are.... good bye... god bless you are
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07:25<LL10>hello, how come since 27th, there is no more daily ISOs?
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07:25<mixter>hi all! after upgrading the kernel from 2.6.18 (etch) to 2.6.24 (etchnhalf) on a few servers some customers complain that the network access is slow and the get time-outs from time to time. i changed the kernel back to 2.6.18 on one machine and after that everything flows smooth again. are there any known issues with the network/internet/whatever-related-to-this in etchnhalf?
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07:27<metalqga>what are the changes in the changelog
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07:30<TakeABow>What ftp would people recommend?
07:30<LL10>ftp client?
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07:31<dr|z3d>TakeABow: Server or client?
07:31<LL10>lftp is good
07:31<TakeABow>sorry, server
07:31<diego>hi, I need some help ... Im not at home now, but my notebook keyboard stopped working under gnome :S
07:31<diego>It works until gnome loads
07:31<diego>some update I guess
07:32<diego>I connect other keyboard and it wont work either
07:32<diego>any help :S ?
07:33<LL10>vsftpd, you could got problem with filezilla client version >3.0
07:33<zulu>is there a cmdline utility to compare file tree?
07:33<LL10>cause debian didn't upped vsftpd yet
07:33<zulu>not content just dir and filename presence?
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07:34<TakeABow>aria2 v
07:34<diego>help, keyboard not working :(
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07:35<diego>(inside gnome)
07:35<metalqga>diego debian?
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07:37<metalqga>i've got a bad cd, any program that would try very hard to extract the files? tried k3b to copy it into a iso but didn't do the job...
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07:39<jm_>diego: does it work on console?
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07:39<jm_>metalqga: ddrescue
07:39<Villarroel>Is there any way to dissable swfdec-mozilla on Iceape, without uninstalling the package I don't want to break package "gnome".
07:39<metalqga>thanks jm_
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07:40<diego>jm_: yeah, it works on gdm greeting too
07:40<diego>but after logging it
07:40<diego>it will be disabled
07:40<diego>(fully disabled, not even ctrl alt del, nothing)
07:40<superjet_busy>is there some php things to act as paste site that support image?
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07:41<diego>jm_: mouse keeps working, so I can log out
07:41<Villarroel>Mmm, I will try mnenhy, but what if swfdec version changes?
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07:42<jm_>diego: try starting 'DISPLAY=:0.0 xev' on console, then in X move focus to it, then press keys and check what X printed on console - hopefully you can switch tty-s, if you can't, this is pointless test
07:43<diego>jm_: I didnt understand that ... and Im not with the laptop now, can you give me a small howto to do later
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07:43<jm_>Villarroel: you can disable plugins in iceweasel
07:44<jm_>diego: well I am not aware of a howto for this
07:44<Villarroel>jm_ I don't know how, besides removing the .so file.
07:44<jm_>Villarroel: uhm Tools -> Add-ons -> Plugins
07:45<Villarroel>jm_: I use Iceape not Iceweasel.
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07:45<jm_>Villarroel: sorry, I automatically read iceweasel
07:46<Villarroel>jm_: :-p
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07:48<jm_>hmm I can only find settings for java plugin in about:config
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07:54<TakeABow>Argh, can someone help me configure vsftpd?
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07:54<TakeABow>i can't get any kind of login working =/
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07:55<jm_>anon logins should work by default
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07:57<TakeABow>can i enable root to be a user?
07:57<OdyX>TakeABow: this is default in Debian.
07:57<petern>not via ftp... silly idea
07:58<OdyX>excuse me... did not read the backlog. My answer is valid system-wide
07:59<TakeABow>well i'm a complete debian noob, so i don't know how to create any new users or anything, and i really want to be able to ftp...
07:59<TakeABow>i've tried proFTPd and vsftpd and can't get either to work =/
08:00<TakeABow>is there an easy to follow guide anywhere
08:00<avu>TakeABow, loads. just ask google.
08:00<blockowitsch>TakeABow: most times you'll find something by searching for "linux MyKeyword howto"
08:00<blockowitsch>e.g. "linux ftp server howto" or "linux vsftp howto"
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08:00<jm_>vsftpd needs uncommenting local_enable for local users to be able to login via ftp
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08:01<TakeABow>already done that jm_
08:02<TakeABow>and almost all the links for all searces including vsftpd and how to are visited links
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08:05<TakeABow>Woop, got one working :)
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08:05<jm_>TakeABow: you need to provide details if you want people to help you
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08:06<TakeABow>It's ok, thanks for the help :)
08:06<jm_>next time look in vsftpd.log first
08:07<TakeABow>another question now though, are there any torrent clients that work in debian that include some sort of web access?
08:07<jm_>people have written web front-ends for rtorrent
08:07<TakeABow>ok, thanks i'll look into that
08:08<OdyX>I use mldonkey-server happily
08:09<avu>mldonkey is a horrible torrent client though
08:09<avu>many trackers ban it
08:09<OdyX>avu: huh ?
08:09<OdyX>avu: works well for me at least...
08:09<OdyX>(I don't download much more than Debian CD's)
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08:12<XTF>Hi. My grub2 says "unknown command initrd". It's Debian Unstable. Anyone know how I can fix this?
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08:14<jm_>XTF: do you have linux GRUB module available? does linux command work?
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08:15<XTF>jm_: No, unknown command 'linux'
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08:16<jm_>XTF: check if linux module exists at all
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08:17<XTF>How do I check that?
08:17<jm_>ls -l /boot/grub/linux.mod
08:18<XTF>linux.mod exists
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08:21<jm_>try loading it manually
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08:24<jm_>i.e. insmod command
08:25<XTF>Done, what's next?
08:25<jm_>does it know linux and initrd commands now?
08:26<XTF>Ah, yes, now it's working.
08:27<XTF>Hmm, now it's stuck at waiting for root FS.
08:27<jm_>looks like you have issues with your fs and that's causing it to fail or so
08:29<XTF>Well, maybe. Don't I need root=?
08:29<jm_>it's done differently in grub2
08:29<jm_>didn't debian do this for you?
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08:30<XTF>I tried the linux /boot/vmlinuz line in the command line.
08:30<XTF>There I didn't see the root=
08:30<jm_>debian creates a menu hen you install grub/kernel
08:30<XTF>It used to work
08:31<XTF>I assume an apt-get upgrade broke stuff.
08:31<jm_>check your grub.cfg file
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08:31<XTF>Now when I do insmod linux and then try to execute the first menu entry, it says I need to load a kernel first.
08:31<jm_>maybe some other grub modules are missing too
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08:34<jm_>let me see which modules get loaded by default for i386
08:35<pippo>How Should I check wich java version I have? I want only the Sun java
08:35<jm_>dpkg -l|grep java
08:35<dpkg>jm_: i don't know
08:36<jm_>or java -version
08:36<snogglethorpe>isn't the package name "jre-something"?
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08:37<XTF>Ok, with linux /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda1 it's not working
08:37<snogglethorpe>ah ... dpkg -l sun-java*-jre
08:37<riccardo19871>i want download
08:37<riccardo19871>can you help me
08:38<jm_>well at least for sun java dpkg -l|grep java would still find it
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08:39<jm_>XTF: define not working
08:40<XTF>I meant now*
08:40<jm_>ok try running update-grub, check if it creates proper grub.cfg
08:40<XTF>Let's do apt-get upgrade first
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08:43<OdyX>XTF: you'd maybe try "grub-install <your_device>" too..
08:44<jm_>well it is installed, otherwise he would get no prompt
08:44<XTF>I only have one, so it shouldn't pick the wrong one.
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08:44<jm_>yay debian enables gfxterm module by default
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08:45<XTF>grub.conf looks fine
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08:48<XTF>Same problem...
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08:50<jm_>try reinstalling grub
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08:53<XTF>jm_: Looks like
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08:56<jm_>XTF: you also have search entries in there?
08:56<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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08:58<XTF>jm_: Yes, and it looks like grub-install 'fixed' it.
08:59<jm_>XTF: hmm I suppose it installed new stage1.5 and the problem was there
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09:06<XTF>jm_ Yeah, I filed a bug report for it. I think grub should automatically update itself.
09:06<jm_>XTF: no it shouldn't :)
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09:13<blockowitsch>hello. is there any reason why i can't find libwx-perl in debian lenny amd64?
09:14<themill>judd versions libwx-perl
09:14<judd>themill: libwx-perl -- sid: 0.89-1
09:14<themill>dpkg, why is libwx-perl not in testing
09:14<dpkg>libwx-perl is not in testing for the reasons listed in
09:16<blockowitsch>ah ok, cheers
09:16<XTF>jm_: Why not?
09:16<themill>blockowitsch: libalien-wxwidgets-perl has failed to build on just about everything
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09:19<jm_>XTF: because people don't like such things happening
09:22<XTF>jm_: You mean things like your system not booting because Grub has been updated? ;)
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09:25<jm_>XTF: for example
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09:27<cusco>hi folks
09:27<cusco>I am on debian installer right now
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09:27<cusco>and I am having trouble... big time
09:27<cusco>my disk has windows vista on it
09:27<cusco>and the partition is GPT
09:27<cusco>wich fdisk does not support
09:27<cusco>fidks tells me to use parted
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09:28<cusco>when I come to the partitioning option in the debian installer
09:28<cusco>I can only see free space
09:28<cusco>the whole 80G's
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09:29<cusco>I had a 39GB partition for vista and a 37GB space not partitioned
09:30<cusco>I don't quite know what to do now
09:30<blockowitsch>well as long as you didn't change something with fdisk your partitions are still ok
09:30<blockowitsch>so don't worry
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09:30<blockowitsch>you could think about a partition backup
09:30<OdyX>anyway... blowing Vista is not a bug...
09:30<cusco>thing is I want debian as well
09:30<OdyX>it's a feature.
09:31<cusco>I can understad that point of view OdyX but I would rather not coment it at this time
09:31<OdyX>cusco: ACK :-)
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09:31<blockowitsch>cusco: backup your vista partition, repartitio/reformat your disk, install debian and use the backup to restore the vista partition
09:31<adri>hi all
09:31<adri>i ave a litle question
09:32<cusco>blockowitsch: that sounds good but I don't really know how to backup vista partition...
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09:32<adri>how version of debian is a Reliable
09:32<adri>etchhalf cs 130 MB
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09:32<cusco>so debian installer only supports mbr
09:32<adri>ot etch 4 DVD`s
09:32<cusco>not gpt
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09:32<adri>because etchhalf have a kernel 2.6.24
09:32<blockowitsch>cusco: try to use a ubuntu (or other) live cd and use partimage to backup the partition
09:32<adri>etch 2.6.18
09:32<cusco>adri: if your computer will have a internet connection during installation the 130MB ofcourse
09:33<adri>this version is Reliable ?
09:33<cusco>etch n half is th latest stable release
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09:33<cusco>blockowitsch: I will look it up. thanks
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09:33<blockowitsch>ah wait
09:34<blockowitsch>you could also use debootstrap to install debian
09:34<cusco>I don't know how to use parted to create a partition
09:34<cusco>only fdisk
09:34<adri>So it is better for me to foreclose Etchhalf ?
09:34<blockowitsch>use a livecd to boot, partition everything as you like it, format the partition, mount it and debootstrap it
09:34<blockowitsch>cusco: then learn how to use parted ;)
09:34<adri>i see
09:34<cusco>adri: the 130MB is a net install version, it will require a cable internet connection to download the package
09:35<cusco>blockowitsch: I guess I could do that, but not sure about the debootstrap proccess neither
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09:35<cusco>I will have a quick look into parted
09:35<cusco>and I will decide then
09:35<blockowitsch>cusco: i think there are some howto in the net. if you have questions, ask i can help
09:36<adri>i have a 4 dvd pack but packeges is to old kernel too
09:36<blockowitsch>btw, if you manage to use parted you probably can use the installer again
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09:36<cusco>blockowitsch: Im on the installer right now, ssh'ing from anotehr terminal
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09:38<adri>debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso Has that been newest?
09:38<cusco>looks like gpt is not sure that it is a gpt partition
09:39<cusco>gpt no, parted
09:39<OdyX>adri: that's the newsest stable.
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09:40<cusco>ok... I will look into converting the partition
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09:43<adri>cusco my interne conection is a pppoe and maby must i choise expert install to load pppoe modules or ?
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09:46<blockowitsch>adri: you can probably setup pppoe in the console (ctrl+f2)
09:46<blockowitsch>if not, think about using a second computer as proxy
09:46<adri>thats good
09:46<blockowitsch>or download a bigger dvd image
09:46<adri>i have a 4 dvd pack but etchnhalf is a newest
09:47<adri>new kernel bug fix security fix
09:47<blockowitsch>so you mean: you have an old etch version on dvd but you want to use the newest?
09:48<blockowitsch>you could think about installing the dvd version and then do a dist-upgrade
09:48<blockowitsch>btw, why not installing lenny?
09:48<blockowitsch>lenny is the current version
09:48<adri>lenny ? why ?
09:48<adri>and stable ?
09:48<blockowitsch>it's much more up-to-date
09:49<blockowitsch>lenny is still testing but you can already use it 100%
09:49<blockowitsch>there are only some minor problems left
09:49<adri>i dont think so
09:50<adri>i dont know i`m not using lenny
09:50<XTF>What is the hold up with Lenny anyway?
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09:50<blockowitsch>adri: don't worry, lenny is in a pretty stable state.
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09:50<adri>i try
09:51<blockowitsch>adri: all debian users i know do use lenny since several month
09:51<themill>!lenny status
09:51<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>., or, or <lenny release notes>
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09:52<themill>XTF: 108 release critical bugs, in short
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09:57<XTF>themill: Still that many?
09:57<stevem_>Lo, I've made a script to take care of compiling something (wget's, cp's, untarring, and an apt command) ... can I make apt-get do what I ask it do, without prompting for a Y or n ?
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10:05<adri>àíä âõàò à distinction debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso ?
10:05<adri>and what a distinction
10:05<themill>adri: the etchnhalf image has a newer kernel to help support newer hardware
10:06<adri>ahaa ok tahnk you
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10:11<dpkg>lsof is, like, LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof
10:11<d3co>more about lsof
10:12<simonrvn>apt-cache show $packagename
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10:16<d3co>how to use lsof to see activity with the port 998 ?
10:16<d3co>988/tcp open unknown !!
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10:20<dpkg>one warez list being sent to marco
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10:21<d3co>how to use lsof to see activity with the port 998 ?
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10:31<metafor>what kde version is in lenny?
10:32<themill>!kde version
10:32<dpkg>hmm... kde version is look at for detailed information, or look at the version of kdelibs for an approximate version.
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10:46<nikko>Hi.. I am trying to write my own system call (in UML), but I can't find the number of systems calls "NR_systemcalls" in the 2.6.26... a little strange.. what to do? someone...
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11:05<mihkel>Hi. Should or should not netcat6 make a symbolic link to /usr/bin/nc also?
11:05<valdyn>nikko: NR_syscall ?
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11:06<francesco_>i want to install debian
11:06<francesco_>i'm italian
11:07<nikko>Yeah.. I am a little confusion here.... I cant find LAST_GENERIC_SYSCALL so it can be included... dont know if 2.6.26 can do it itself...
11:07<francesco_>wich of this iso i have download?
11:07<valdyn>francesco_: choice is yours
11:08<valdyn>francesco_: which network interface will download stuff for installation?
11:08<valdyn>francesco_: during isntallation
11:09<valdyn>francesco_: just need to know if wired or wlan
11:10<francesco_>is the mini installation?
11:10<valdyn>francesco_: what is mini?
11:11<newsense>can i run debian installer from a running system ?
11:11<valdyn>newsense: no
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11:11<francesco_>this file complete the installation after?
11:11<newsense>valdyn: ok thanks
11:11<francesco_>by web?
11:11<valdyn>francesco_: by internet
11:12<valdyn>francesco_: thats the most convenient way unless you have a very slow net access
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11:12<nikko>I have put in my system call name in arch/x86/kernel/syscall_table_32.S and include/asm/arch/unistd_32.h and implemented my call in a file... But dont know how to count the syscall_table size one up... in kernel 2.6.26 .. (there are no NR_syscalls)
11:13<valdyn>nikko: i cant believe that
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11:13<francesco_>ok thanks
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11:13<francesco_>but the installation is easy?
11:14<nikko>it is strange to me too.. ??? ..
11:14<valdyn>nikko: wrong use of grep? what are you doing?
11:15<francesco_>bye bye
11:15<francesco_>thank you
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11:16<valdyn>nikko: ./include/asm-x86/asm-offsets.h:#define __NR_syscall_max 294 /* sizeof(syscalls) - 1# */
11:16<valdyn>nikko: thats from, but i doubt that changed
11:16<nikko>let me see...
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11:17<valdyn>nikko: ah, maybe..: ./arch/x86/ia32/ia32entry.S:#define IA32_NR_syscalls
11:17<mech0>hi, i have jst scanned my network and my rpcbind port is open, what is the best way to deny access to it without closing it?
11:18<nikko>hm...yeah... it says in my: #define IA32_NR_syscalls ((ia32_syscall_end - ia32_sys_call_table)/8) .. how to change that?
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11:19<sysop>hi guys
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11:20<valdyn>nikko: x86 and amd64 is merged, thats why that new macro name
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11:20<sysop>how can you change the name of a thumb drive, so that when my bios identifies it as what i specify instead of the manucatuors name
11:21<valdyn>sysop: cant change it on your desktop icon?
11:21<nikko>hm....okay... I am trying to do it in UML, and it points to x86.. After compilation.. and running UML, I cant see my systemcall number in unistd_32.h ... I suspect that the NR_syscalls is still 326, when It should be 327...
11:22<sysop>like my lexar shows up as lexar, and my other one as the model number
11:22<sysop>changing the patition name doesnt seem to do it
11:22<sysop>and its running ext3
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11:22<sysop>and its not named what the drive shows up as
11:23<valdyn>sysop: e2label doesnt do it?
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11:24<sysop>i dont think so because the partition was named something else on another drive, then i dded it to the thumb drive and the thumb drive still shows as its model number in the bios.
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11:24<valdyn>sysop: it was probably not named
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11:24<sysop>I want to be able to hit the one time boot menu and when it shows the lists of devices the thumb drive shows up as what i specify.
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11:25<valdyn>sysop: boot menu?
11:25<valdyn>sysop: what does that have to do with debian?
11:25<sysop>it seems to reading it from somewhere else. hold on will gparted show me the name?
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11:25<sysop>well the thumb drive is my debian boot drive.
11:26<sysop>i want to name it debian so the bios will identify it as that.
11:26<valdyn>sysop: the BIOS cannot read partition labels
11:26<valdyn>sysop: or filesystem labels
11:26<sysop>then what is it reading?
11:26<valdyn>sysop: the disk id
11:26<sysop>ok cool, how do i set that.
11:26<valdyn>sysop: not at all
11:26<nikko>in my userprogram, should I call "_syscall1(" or syscall(SYS_myfunction,...) in kernel 2.6.26?
11:27<valdyn>nikko: youre so offtopic here btw
11:27<sysop>there is no way to set the disk id on a thumb drive?
11:27<valdyn>sysop: there is no way to set the disk id.
11:27<valdyn>sysop: which is how it should be.
11:28<sysop>oh well thanks. maybe i will put the disk id on the outside of the thumb drive so i will know which one is which
11:28<valdyn>sysop: yea, thats what i do for raids
11:30<sysop>how can I read the disk id of a thumb drive?
11:31<enouf>sysop: perhaps you also want to look into various FS labelling tools, man e2label for ext2/3, IIRC, mtools pkg (mlabel ?) for MS FSs, etc
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11:31<enouf>man vol_id as well i suppose
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11:31<valdyn>sysop: ls /dev/disk/by-id/
11:32<enouf>oh, someone mentioned it already .. ok
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11:32<valdyn>vol_id doesnt seem to do anything on disks
11:33<sysop>my problem is I want to get 6 16gb thumb drives all from the same place and run a raid 10 or 01 and when I choose to boot off of the thumb drive i will have 7 thumb drives with the same name to choose from
11:33<sysop>how can I know which one is which
11:35<sysop>i have eee pc and want a solution that will give me redundancy and speed and more space.
11:35<valdyn>sysop: probably not at all, except by knowing which you plug in where
11:35<sysop>that sucks
11:36<valdyn>sysop: that is how my bios is just the same
11:36<valdyn>sysop: bioses suck for this
11:36<valdyn>sysop: they tend to crash or hang with "unusual" setups, like just having alot of disks
11:36<sysop>oh maybe i will buy another 16 gig from another store and it will have a different disk id.
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11:37<valdyn>sysop: the id is unique to each storage device
11:37<valdyn>sysop: but your bios might not show the complete id
11:37<sysop>my lexar thumb drive shows up as lexar.
11:37<sysop>not a unique id
11:37<sysop>it must be reading something else
11:37<valdyn>sysop: yea, the serial number isnt showing
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11:38<valdyn>sysop: complete unique id is brand + type + serial
11:38<sysop>ok can i change the brand and type?
11:38<valdyn>sysop: no..
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11:41<sysop>what about the disk label?
11:41<valdyn>sysop: that doesnt exist
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11:41<sysop>in parted i can change disk label of a drive.
11:41<sysop>it will erase the drive though
11:42<valdyn>sysop: uh, thats something else
11:42<valdyn>sysop: disk label is also a partitioning scheme
11:42<enouf>valdyn: /lib isn't in $PATH, if that's what you meant; ~$ sudo /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/hdd1 works fine here
11:42<sysop>oh ok. oh well thanks for the info.
11:42<valdyn>enouf: nah, i meant vol_id on disks, such as /dev/sda, where sda is no fs directly on it
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11:44<valdyn>enouf: i didnt notice that issue, /sbin/vol_id
11:45<enouf>valdyn: i found mine in /lib/udev/vol_id .. odd
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11:45<enouf>valdyn: older udev here, i guess
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11:47<enouf>ii udev 0.105-4
11:47<man_dxmb>after a dist-upgrade all key strokes appear trippled on X.. any idea to fix this for me ?
11:47<enouf> Candidate: 0.125-7 heh
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11:48<enouf>man kbdrate?
11:48<man_dxmb>its on X onlt
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11:49<enouf>then tweak your xorg.conf , or do it through your DE (GNOME/KDE/XFCE)
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11:53<man_dxmb2>any an
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11:53<man_dxmb2>i use kbdrate but sine installing console-setup or setup-console it defaults
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11:54<man_dxmb2>anyay the keystrokes only do tripple on X
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11:54<smokingrope>how do I upgrade svn to 1.5 on etch?
11:55<turkjeus>Hi guys, I am trying to make a fresh install of debian etch. The system always hang on formatting with a message generic_make_request
11:55<turkjeus>I already try 4 different hd
11:55<turkjeus>2 sata and 2 ide
11:55<turkjeus>put still the same thing
11:55<man_dxmb>i use kbdrate but since installing setup-console it dreturn to all default values
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11:55<turkjeus>how much time will it take to format a 80GB hd
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11:56<man_dxmb2>turkjsus, with writing all 0's ? long
11:57<turkjeus>man_dxmb, it says kernel: EIP:[<x01a0055>] generic_make_request+0x19/0x1a0 SS:EE0068:dfcfdd88
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11:57<xxiao>how can I tell if I am on oftc or freenode now? both have debian channel
11:57<turkjeus>it already pass like 5 minutes since it stay there
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11:58<man_dxmb2>well thats loike a segfault turkjsus
11:58<man_dxmb2>xxiao, whois yourself, and netstat or ss cmd
11:59<turkjeus>man_dxmb, so maybe is a ram issue?
12:02<man_dxmb2>well try another kernel and other software
12:02<turkjeus>already try with ubuntu 8.0 and same thing
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12:02<turkjeus>always hang on formating
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12:04<chealer>smokingrope: install the backport
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12:04<smokingrope>chealer: what is a backport?
12:04<OdyX>!tell smokingrope about backports
12:05<xxiao>man_dxmb: not sure if it works, i'm using mibbit
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12:05<smokingrope>I will see if that helps, ty
12:05<man_dxmb2>whois works there, /whois xxiao but that only gives per neetwork
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12:06<nerdyh>I hosed my sound, on a sid box. I booted into 2.6.18, to try the kqemu modules, and when I went back to later kernels, no sound. Any ideas?
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12:07<man_dxmb>enouf, it did it on one after upgrade and here, no modified .conf
12:08<man_dxmb>it does tripple, i press s it shows to s, i release, another s appears
12:08<man_dxmb>on the dm| lm
12:09<man_dxmb>same for startx
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12:09<nerdyh>tried dpkg -reconfigure every package I could think of related to sound... modules loaded, nothing fishy in dmesg
12:11<nerdyh>booted into Windows (first time in years for that!) to reset sound hardware... the XP symphonic greeting blasted me out of my chiar
12:11<nerdyh>is there supposed to be a pulseaudio process running? The init.d script seems to do nothing
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12:13<fxiny>nerdy : i feel sooo sorry for you . i'm listening/watching stereo++ : quadrophenia :P
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12:13<fxiny>enouf: !!
12:13<nerdyh>heh, thx fxiny
12:14<enouf>fxiny: no probs!!
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12:14<enouf>nerdyh: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
12:14<nerdyh>few know that "stereo" includes quad and 7-speaker surround. Word derived from something like 3D (greek, I think)
12:14<fxiny>and lambrettas :P
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12:15<nerdyh>enouf: ty
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12:23<nerdyh>enouf: that alsa checklist should be updated maybe to suggest using paplay instead of aplay. Anyway, found the prob: no pulseaudio server
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12:26<enouf>nerdyh: er, wtf is paplay? you're using ubuntu?
12:26<enouf>nerdyh: you don't need any pulseudio anything
12:26<fxiny>a papist player ?
12:26<enouf>er pulseaudio
12:26<enouf>fxiny: hehe
12:27<nerdyh>reall? I should go back to esound?
12:27<enouf>you don't need that either
12:27<nerdyh>(paplay us pulse audio player)
12:27<fxiny>alZa rulez
12:28<nerdyh>enouf: what if my system wants to say two things at once?
12:28<nerdyh>I should use esd, perhaps?
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12:28<fxiny>like fancy beeps ?
12:28<enouf>nerdyh: alsa has builtin dmix/dsnoop
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12:29<nerdyh>okay, pulse and esound uninstalled. what now... alsaconf?
12:29<enouf>pulseaudio adds more functionality (separate controls for each audio stream/whatever), but rides on top of alsa, so ...
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12:30<enouf>nerdyh: install alsa-utils alsa-oss
12:30<enouf>nerdyh: then ... the alsaconf
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12:30<metalqg>is pulseaudio in sid now?
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12:31<nerdyh>okay, I installed alsa-oss (already had alsa-utils) but no sound yet
12:32<metalqg>enouf nerdyh: then ... the alsaconf
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12:32<nerdyh>metalqg: pulse is in sid now, yes, as of maybe a month or two, I guess
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12:34<enouf>judd: versions pulseaudio
12:34<judd>enouf: pulseaudio -- etch: 0.9.5-5etch1 etch-security: 0.9.5-5etch1 lenny: 0.9.10-3 sid: 0.9.10-3 experimental: 0.9.13-2
12:34<nerdyh>enouf: ran alsaconf. speakers clicked promisingly when it raised mixer levels. But still no sound. Should I restart gnome?
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12:34<stew>if its in etch, its been in sid for at least a few years
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12:35<nerdyh>stew: actually, I think you're right... it wasn't that long ago that I moved to sid... so probably was installed then
12:36<enouf>nerdyh: sure, restart gnome, but 1st check system > preferences > sound ? is it?
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12:36<nerdyh>enouf: yes, that's what I used to check.. the "test" buttons
12:36<enouf>nerdyh: also system > preferences > preferred devices/apps? is it?
12:36<nerdyh>enouf: ah, good thinking.
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12:44<nerdyh>still silent chez nerdy :-(
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12:44<rainmanp7_>Is there a website where i can upload files SO I can make a link in a forum ? where allot of people will get the file for linux ?
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12:45<padski>rainmanp7_, free file hosting ?
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12:46<rainmanp7_>padski yes :)
12:46<rainmanp7_>like um rappidshare ?
12:46<padski>rainmanp7_, sourceforge ?
12:47<padski>rainmanp7_, or see
12:47<rainmanp7_>k will check that I'm really trying to figure out to lessen my contigous file because mine is growing by 7% becasue I use allot of programs not quiet sure ?
12:48<nerdyh>does GNOME keep an error log? seemed to start slow, maybe looking for sound...
12:49<rainmanp7_>padski thank you
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12:49<padski>rainmanp7_, perhaps google non-contiguous
12:49<rainmanp7_>yeah tryed that and ran into people telling me that the file system doesn't need deframentation
12:50<padski>rainmanp7_, what fs ?
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12:50<padski>rainmanp7_, how full ?
12:50<rainmanp7_>padski what's the commandline or program to check that ?
12:51<rainmanp7_>ok it says 66%
12:51<erKURITA><rainmanp7_> k will check that I'm really trying to figure out to lessen my contigous file because mine is growing by 7% becasue I use allot of programs not quiet sure ? <= you're getting it wrong
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12:51<erKURITA>it means 7% of files are non-contiguous
12:52<rainmanp7_>yeah my system is like growing 7% or more everyday
12:52<padski>rainmanp7_, a non-contiguous file is one that has blocks that are not all in order and next to each other on the disk
12:52<erKURITA>it means you have a steady flux of files
12:53<erKURITA>you could decrease the number of mounts between checks
12:53<erKURITA>with tunefs
12:53<erKURITA>was it tunefs?
12:53<erKURITA>!tell erKURITA -about tunefs
12:53<erKURITA>I lol'd
12:53<rainmanp7_>padski how to reorder the blocks becasue mine is like 64% real soon
12:53<padski>rainmanp7_, on ext3 it happens if the disk is full or with files larger than a certain size.
12:53<rainmanp7_>erKurita thanx
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12:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:54<padski>rainmanp7_, can you pastebin the output of fsck ?
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12:54<rainmanp7_>well i ran that at boot but not sure if i want to do that on my only mounted drive ?
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12:55<erKURITA>you don't
12:56<rainmanp7_>erKURITA looking up that tunefs thing now
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13:01<padski>I think e2fsck -n would be safe, although I've never used it for this (and obviously you would have to ignore some scary looking warnings) :-) perhaps there is a better way ?
13:02<padski>I have 161809/732960 files (3.9% non-contiguous), 1202936/1463915 blocks
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13:03<rainmanp7_>padski my 2 other hard drives that are not hooked up yet have like millions and millions of files
13:04<padski>rainmanp7_, this is just a small system.
13:05<rainmanp7_>padski if that thing grows to like 98% what happens ?
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13:07<rainmanp7_>if anyone knows a way to um make the file sytem have less non-contigous files you can im me etc..
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13:09<padski>rainmanp7_, I am not aware of any threshold at which something dramatic will happen. even if it were 100% (assuming that is possible) I believe it should still work. I don't remember how the number is calculated, but I wonder if it grows for every block appended to a file over a certain size, rather than for each gap.
13:09<fxiny>nothing will happen
13:09<fxiny>is it a home partition ?
13:10<rainmanp7_>simple ubuntu partition install
13:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:10<padski>I heart buzzword bingo ;-)
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13:11<fxiny>is ext2/3 not ubu
13:11<knoppix_>k?mse varm??
13:11<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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13:11<enouf>erKURITA: tune2fs for ext2/3
13:12<Guest441>hu hu hu
13:12<dpkg>somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
13:12<rainmanp7_>padski lol i knew you were looking for buzzwords lol linux is all the same to me what ever distro i try Because I need to find one that works with allot of fles moving around and Big files as well
13:12<rainmanp7_>ok i found somthing
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13:13<dpkg>somebody said lfs was large file support --, or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or the Log-structured File System in NetBSD
13:13<rainmanp7_>enouf that gave me the screen I was looking for but not sure what to set ? as in what should I setup in the terminal to make it run to lessen the non contigous files ?
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13:13<padski>rainmanp7_, as far as I am aware you will find much the same large file support in any mainstream distro.
13:14<rainmanp7_>padski ok what should i set on the mounts etc.. to stop it from mounting on every check ?
13:14<enouf>rainmanp7_: i don't know what you're referring to, i was just clarifying a tool name
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13:15<rainmanp7_>*Scrolls up for the name
13:15<rainmanp7_>hrmmm reqal life crap will be right back
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13:28<TakeABow>NO U
13:29<kurumin>vc fala em inglês
13:29<kurumin>sou brasileiro
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13:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:31<stew>oh, he's gone
13:31<metalqg>i've seen kurumin before
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13:37<chealer>I have a file source first in sources.list (deb file:///mnt/iso/ lenny main), yet it shows last in apt-cache policy (but first in apt-cache policy kbd, for example). installing kbd, for example, fetches it from my HTTP mirror. is this normal and if not, is it a known bug?
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13:42<knoppix__>c' è nessuno??
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13:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:43<Guest443>qui è inglese?
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13:46<dpkg>sp is, like, troubled: you stats pimp!
13:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:46<ranix>stop being so pedantic dpkg
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13:56<EmleyMoor>Anyione got BBC iPlayer Download working in Debian yet?
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14:04<metalqg>i'm doing a backup with tar. can I omit apt's cache (/var/cache/apt/archives/)
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14:04<EmleyMoor>Is Adobe's advice for AIR on 64-bit Ubuntu likely to also be helpful in Debian?
14:04<justaguy>is that the same as livestation?
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14:08<EmleyMoor>Not heard of livestation
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14:08<EmleyMoor>I am checking what's installed and so on
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14:10<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... all there bar a final cp
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14:13<EmleyMoor>Still seems to got stuck transferring data from
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14:20<EmleyMoor>Trying to get the iPlayer desktop now - looks like I may have a long wait
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14:25<adama>I think my video card may have a problem. I was working away, dual-head setup using xrandr, all great, and suddenly one monitor went black, with some grey artifacts. The mouse pointer would still move across it normally. I tried some xrandr commands, no luck. I logged out, but now startx fails: any hints?
14:26<adama>Lenny, 2.6.26-1-686, all dist-upgraded
14:27<dr|z3d>adama: Try launching your session manager, see if that works. gnome-session perhaps.
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14:28<adama>it says: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
14:29<EmleyMoor>No good - got AIR but can't get the BBC bit to work
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14:30<dr|z3d>adama: What happens when you try to start gdm?
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14:35<adama>nothing whatsoever. Not a flicker, Xorg.0.log doesn't get touched
14:35<adama>using gdm OR xdm init scripts
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14:37<adama>I usually run startx as user
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14:38<peppo>ciao a tutti
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14:56<adama>I'll try again after lunch
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15:19<mcr>is there an easy way to report bad files on a mirror?
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15:27<dondelelcaro>mcr: depends on the mirror; there's no central method, though.
15:27<dondelelcaro>mcr: which file?
15:28<dondelelcaro>(assuming the mirror is operating properly, though, it should be resynced and fixed within hours automatically)
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15:34<gogu12345>anyone on?
15:34<gogu12345>i have a problem
15:34<gogu12345>i try to install debian
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15:35<gogu12345>from dvd images
15:35<gogu12345>and can't seem to boot the dvd
15:35<gogu12345>the bios settings are ok
15:35<gogu12345>but it says loading from cdrom
15:35<Hubbel>okey, can you boot other cds like windows?
15:35<gogu12345>freezes a little
15:35<gogu12345>is there a special procedure with debian?
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15:35<gogu12345>i'm a newbie at linux
15:35<gnu_fan>is dvd image ok ?
15:36<gogu12345>i think so
15:36<Hubbel>just burn the .iso from the debian-server
15:36<gogu12345>that's what i did...
15:36<Hubbel>you booted the first DVD, right?
15:36<gogu12345>can i install from internet or smth?
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15:37<Hubbel>you can use a netinstall iso, but you must burn it on a cd too
15:37<gogu12345>i remember a few years ago i installed a distribution from lan
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15:37<gogu12345>doesn't matter
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15:37<gogu12345>i have cds :)
15:37<Hubbel>okey but then you need a remote installation server
15:37<gogu12345>i'll try redownloading the dvd 1 iso first
15:37<gogu12345>just needed to be sure i'm doing it right
15:38<gogu12345>thanks for the info
15:38<Hubbel>did you have a DVD rom drive in you "linux" pc? bad question
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15:38<gogu12345>no dvd back then
15:38<gogu12345>what do u mean?
15:38<gogu12345>when i booted?
15:38<gogu12345>a few mins ago?
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15:38<Hubbel>the drive in the pc where you are trying to boot
15:38<Hubbel>is there a dvd-rom drive in it?
15:38<gogu12345>yeah, i had. i even took it out, make sure it's both the right one and clean
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15:39<gogu12345>and checked the bios settings also
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15:39<Hubbel>with wich program did you burn the DVD?
15:39<gogu12345>version 6
15:39<Hubbel>bootable iso...selected?
15:40<gogu12345>u can't select that when u burn an image
15:40<gogu12345>it simply burns that image, bootable if the image supports it
15:40<Hubbel>yes kk.
15:40<Hubbel>then it should wok
15:40<gogu12345>i'll redownload dvd1
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15:41<gogu12345>seems i'm smarter than usual, and i erased the images from hdd
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15:41<Hubbel>Ouh ^^
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15:41<gogu12345>what is alpha?
15:42<Hubbel>the first version of a software
15:42<gogu12345>i think i just realised it
15:42<gogu12345>The following links point to image files which are up to 4.4 GB in size, making them suitable for writing to normal DVD-R/DVD+R and similar media:
15:42<gogu12345>i think it's a machine type
15:42<gogu12345>i have i386
15:42<Hubbel>right *g*
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15:43<gogu12345>yeah... its official.....i'm smarter than usual....
15:43<gogu12345>guess that explains why it won't boot...
15:43<gogu12345>thanks guys
15:43<metalqg>gogu w8
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15:43<Hubbel>you can use an net-install iso, so you do not need to download the 4.4 GB
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15:43<gogu12345>i'm not leaving
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15:44<gogu12345>i think i'll do that :)
15:44<gogu12345>but i still have to wait to install features from internet
15:44<gogu12345>so almost same thing
15:45<Hubbel>but you do not need the 4.4 GB
15:45<Hubbel>only 1Gb for Gnome packet etc
15:45<gogu12345>oh, another thing
15:45<gogu12345>i remember the partitions need to be set
15:45<gogu12345>diferently from win
15:46<gogu12345>swap and root
15:46<gogu12345>if i recall right?
15:46<gnu_fan>swap, root and home
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15:46<gogu12345>i have 1 gb ram and 160 hdd
15:46<gogu12345>what sizes should i use
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15:47<Hubbel>swap = max 4GB, / = 156GB
15:47<Hubbel>but you can place for example /home on another partion if you want
15:47<metalqg>i'd use 1gb swap
15:48<metalqg>. / 10gb /home the rest
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15:48<gogu12345>thanks a bunch
15:48<gogu12345>i'll reboot now
15:49<gogu12345>cya all later, if all goes well... :)
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15:49<gnu_fan>compaq: hello
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15:57<gogu12345>my onboard lan card seems to be unsuported by netinstal
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15:57<gogu12345>so i'm back to downloading images
15:57<gogu12345>it can't autoconfigure
15:57<gogu12345>says no dhcp server
15:57<gogu12345>also, i use a dsl modem
15:57<gogu12345>and the led for lan is off
15:57<gogu12345>also the leds on my lan port are off
15:58<Hubbel>o.O is there a dhcp server ?
15:58<gogu12345>the dsl modem has a router with that function :P
15:58<Hubbel>then you should receive a lease...
15:58<valdyn>gogu12345: which netinstall are you using?
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15:58<valdyn>gogu12345: which kernel does that install?
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15:59<gogu12345>beats me :)
15:59<valdyn>gogu12345: alt-f1
15:59<valdyn>gogu12345: or alt-f2
15:59<valdyn>gogu12345: and uname -r
15:59<valdyn>gogu12345: in the debian installer
15:59<gogu12345>wait a few seconds
15:59<gogu12345>i'm booting my laptop
15:59<valdyn>gogu12345: you can also run ifconfig -a there to see the nic
16:00<gogu12345>so i can both talk to u guys and try and install
16:00<gogu12345>valdyn, i think it simply doesn;t see the nic
16:00<valdyn>gogu12345: that is possible, sure, but verify > think
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16:01<gogu12345>wait a sec
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16:04<SkyDreamer>ok, i'm back
16:04<SkyDreamer>gogu here
16:04<SkyDreamer>pressing either alt f1 or alt f2 doesn't seem to do anything
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16:06<SkyDreamer>are you guys still around?
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16:06<SkyDreamer>round 3
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16:07<SkyDreamer>i'll download the netinstal from now
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16:07<Hubbel>please retry to get a dhcp-lease during the install
16:08<Hubbel>thats ok
16:08<SkyDreamer>how can i do that?
16:08<SkyDreamer>it's a gui install
16:08<SkyDreamer>all i have is back continue and screenshot
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16:09<SkyDreamer>i'm still laughing at my first attempt
16:09<SkyDreamer>i downloaded for 3 days
16:09<steve_>hello there...i'm new to xubuntu and i just wanted to know how i can get my slave drive to work...?
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16:10<SkyDreamer>4 dvd images
16:10<SkyDreamer>and to find out there for another machine type :))
16:10<Hubbel>things happen :P
16:11<dpkg>xubuntu is probably a derivative of Ubuntu with the Xfce desktop environment. /join #xubuntu @ for support. See also <based on debian>.
16:11<Hubbel>now you boot the netinstall and press ENTER
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16:11<SkyDreamer>still downloading it
16:11<metalqga>skydreamer when I first tried to install debian I broke 3 cds because of the bad downloaders (and lack of md5sum checking)
16:11<SkyDreamer>i only have a small 2 mb connection
16:12<SkyDreamer>yeah, but u downloaded the right stuff
16:12<SkyDreamer>that's what upseting me
16:12<SkyDreamer>thinking alpha is pre-beta or smth
16:12<adama>I think my video card may have a problem. I was working away, dual-head setup using xrandr, all great, and suddenly one monitor went black, with some grey artifacts. The mouse pointer would still move across it normally. I tried some xrandr commands, no luck. I logged out, but now startx fails: any hints?
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16:14<metalqga>finally succeeded to install oo3!
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16:14<petern>you could try a power cycle...
16:14<petern>although it might actually be dead? hh
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16:15<adama>petern: I did, this was yesterday, I turned it off overnight, and took out the video card and cleaned it off a bit
16:15<Nemoder>might try reinstalling the video drivers
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16:16<adama>it's been so long I don't evenr remember how I installed them
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16:16<Hubbel>use an other driver?
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16:17<adama>what is the basic drive, vesa?
16:17<dal>can anyone walk me through installing KDE 4.2 on my Lenny system?
16:17<dpkg>it has been said that fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
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16:17<adama>I think I am using fglrx
16:18<adama>nope it's ati
16:18<adama>I'll try fglrx
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16:19<adama>hmm, fglrx says "no devices detected"
16:19<stew>adama: this means it didn't find a card it supports
16:19<stew>adama: if you are specifying busid, try without
16:19<SkyDreamer>ok, netinstal from still doesn't detect my nic
16:20<stew>SkyDreamer: which version of the installer are you running? do you know what NIC you have?
16:20<SkyDreamer>i managed to get to console tho
16:20<SkyDreamer>i have onboard lan
16:20<SkyDreamer>my motherboard is an asus
16:20<SkyDreamer>can't remember the exact type tho
16:21<adama>stew: without BusID, still "no devices detected"
16:21<SkyDreamer>what was the command for configuring nic?
16:21<adama>I think the card is shot
16:21<SkyDreamer>it detects a nic
16:22<SkyDreamer>with mac and stuff...
16:22<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: right
16:22<adama>SkyDreamer: do lspci , it will tell you the NIC chipset
16:22<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: thats what i said, but it doesnt find the dhcp
16:22<adama>oh nm
16:22<SkyDreamer>rtl 8139
16:22<SkyDreamer>general chipset...
16:23<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: is the cable pluged in^^?
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16:23<metalqga>adama bad v_bios checksum?
16:23<SkyDreamer>i was talking from the main cpu a few mins ago
16:23<adama>metalqga: yes it says that
16:23<metalqga>tried reflashing it?
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16:24<kdas>hello all
16:24<metalqga>there must be a newer bios version on ati's site
16:25<adama>metalqga: no but it was working yesterday
16:25<kdas>i can connect to my AP but for some reason i get kicked off after like 6-9 packets any ideas? windows works fine
16:25<Hubbel>kdas:using an VM ?
16:25<kdas>abrotman tried helping me out but we were not very successful. does it have something to do with lenny?
16:26<kdas>Hubbel, i am on debian now NO vm
16:26<SkyDreamer>so can i force the dhcp?
16:26<SkyDreamer>smth like renew command?
16:27<kdas>SkyDreamer, you want to do a new dhcp ?
16:27<kdas>Hubbel, any ideas?
16:27<SkyDreamer>well it's not working
16:27<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: The installer has this Option...
16:27<SkyDreamer>i'm trying to do a netinstal
16:27<SkyDreamer>but i can't get it to connect to the network
16:27<kdas>SkyDreamer, wired or wireless?
16:27<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: has the card uplink?^^
16:27<SkyDreamer>what about activating the interface?
16:27<SkyDreamer>dsl modem
16:28<chealer>kdas: what do you mean by kicked off?
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16:28<SkyDreamer>the leds are off
16:28<Hubbel><kyDreamer: "ifconfig eth0 up"
16:28<Hubbel>leds = off = no good
16:28<chealer>!tell SkyDreamer about enter
16:28<SkyDreamer>and how do i get out of console?
16:28<kdas>chealer, like i type iwconfig and looks all fine but like after 6-9 packets after typing iwconfig wlan1 ap any it just stops working until i retype iwconfig wlan1 ap any angain
16:29<kdas>if it helps i am using a rtl8187L chipset usb dongle
16:29<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: is there now a uplink?
16:30<kdas>SkyDreamer, i know with cable and maybe with your dsl also you need to restart the modem so that it refreshes the mac addy catch
16:30<chealer>kdas: how do you know it's related to the number of packets?
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16:30<SkyDreamer>kdas, it doesn't
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16:31<kdas>chealer, i type iwconfig wlan1 ap any then i ping after 6-9 packets sent it stops until i retype the iwconfig cmd. so, i don't know if its the packets it just what happens
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16:31<SkyDreamer>ok, fine, i'll wait 8 more hours untill the dvd image downloads....
16:32<SkyDreamer>thanks again for all the help, i'm sure i'll visit again, for help with different programs :D
16:32<metalqga>skydreamer you can get a working debian with just cd1
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16:32<SkyDreamer>dvd 1 or cd 1?
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16:32<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: 1 CD
16:33<SkyDreamer>but it's almost midnight here anyway, so i need to go to sleep, so i'll simply let it download de 1st dvd to be sure :)
16:33<kdas>chealer, i mean is there something else i can do to test something? i mean in windows it works fine.. just when i use debian
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16:33<metalqga>23:33 SkyDreamer ;P
16:34<Hubbel>SkyDreamer: i will hope the DVD boots :P
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16:34<SkyDreamer>kdas: is your wlan encrypted? wep? wpa?
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16:34<kdas>SkyDreamer, umm yea
16:35<SkyDreamer>have you tried without the encryption?
16:36<kdas>yes same thing and i don't see how that changes anything
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16:36<chealer>kdas: and if you don't send pings, the connection lasts?
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16:37<kdas>chealer, well until any other data is sent
16:38<SkyDreamer>if it works well without encryption and bad with it -> faulty wlan card (happened to me), but it was windows
16:38<chealer>dpkg: qotd230 is <reply><SkyDreamer> i'm still laughing at my first attempt <SkyDreamer> i downloaded for 3 days <SkyDreamer> 4 dvd images <SkyDreamer> and to find out there for another machine type :)) <SkyDreamer> thinking alpha is pre-beta or smth
16:38<dpkg>okay, chealer
16:38<kdas>chealer, i haven't tried just letting it sit then pinging after X seconds yet
16:38<kdas>SkyDreamer, yea but it works fine on windows soo?
16:38<chealer>kdas: that could be interesting. did you try without wpasupplicant?
16:38<SkyDreamer>good point =))
16:39<SkyDreamer>that's it, i'm outa here... have fun and thanks again...
16:39<kdas>chealer, hold on let me try
16:39<kdas>be right back
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16:42<adama>what was the state of what is now called Lenny, in Aug.2006?? testing?
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16:44<themill>adama: that was before etch was released, so it was the as-yet unnamed etch+1.
16:44<adama>would that be "testing" or "experimental"
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16:45<adama>at that time
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16:47<chealer>adama: lenny wasn't a current Debian suite at that time
16:47<themill>adama: none of the above. etch is a snapshot of testing at the time that etch was released. A fork, if you like. The testing that was left was known as lenny.
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16:48<adama>hmm, I unserstand
16:48<themill>adama: testing becomes stable, but unstable and experimental don't progress through a process of maturation in the same way
16:48<dpkg>i heard releases is See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
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16:55<dmr>I'm trying to do a lowmem install of oldstable (sarge), and I'm running into weird issues when setting up my mirror. I'm getting a bad d-i Packages file error.
16:55<dmr>anybody familiar with debconf and debian-installer?
16:56<themill>dmr: you do realise that sarge isn't even oldstable any more... it's just plain unsupported by the debian project.
16:56<dmr>well, that is consistent with my theory that it doesn't work because there's no oldstable symlink
16:56<themill>indeed :(
16:57<dpalacio>(using Lenny) I can not use phpmyadmin with lighttpd. I constantly get 403 errors and failed authentication at scripts/setup.php
16:57<themill>dmr: there is no "oldstable" release at all at the moment, since sarge security support stopped in March last year.
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16:57<dmr>well, the machine I'm using refuses to boot the etch floppies, and there aren't floppies anymore for newer versions (not like I think they'd work)
16:58<dmr>and there don't seem to be woody installers
16:58<dpalacio>as far I understand, /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup has a paswordless "admin" user, but I can not login
16:58<dmr>I'd installed sarge and then dist-upgraded to (IIRC) lenny on this ancient box and it worked wonderfully
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16:59<dmr>I don't suppose anyone knows how to make the installer dump out where it is looking for Packages?
17:00<dmr>it says bad d-i Packages and 404, but it doesn't say where it looked
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17:02<kdas_>chealer, ok back... it seems thats its a data thing cuz i let it sit for 1 min then pinged and then again after X amount of data i lost it
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17:04<kdas_>anyone have any ideas why i keep losing my wireless internet connection after 6-9 packets are sent ? i am using a usb wireless dongle with a rtl8187l chipset
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17:06<chealer>kdas: did you try without wpasupplicant?
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17:08<kdas_>chealer, yea i don't use wpa
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17:08<chealer>kdas_: with which Linux images did you try?
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17:09<kdas_>chealer, i only have 2.6.28 and i think i tried on a 2.6.26
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17:10<adama>OK I've found a Nvidia 6200 here, I'm going to swap it in to replace this broken (I think) ATI 9200... how to reconfigure X to use that instead? Just put "nv" instead of "ati" in xorg.conf?
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17:11<chealer>kdas_: it would help to make sure the bug can be reproduced on at least 2 differement "major" Linux versions.
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17:11<kdas_>chealer, well 2.6.26 and 2.6.28 is not good enough ?
17:11<chealer>adama: which Debian suite do you use?
17:12<chealer>kdas_: if you're sure the same bug happens on those, yes.
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17:12<chealer>adama: there's no need to mention the video driver in lenny. you can simply remove the video Driver line.
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17:13<Rurouni>hola a todos
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17:14<Rurouni>alguien k me pueda poner encontacto con el dueño del server o con algun ircop
17:14<kdas_>chealer, well it happens on both but i don't think its a bug as much as a connection problem
17:14<kdas_>configuration problem*
17:15<adama>chealer: ok I'll try it
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17:15<dork5002>anyone here know anything about installing debian on a ppc?
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17:16<kdas_>chealer, you know any configuration conflicts that would cause such a thing ?
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17:18<TakeABow>Hey, has anyone install transmission on debian?
17:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
17:19<TakeABow>Ok, can someone help me install transmission on debian
17:19<petern>"aptitude install transmission" ?
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17:20<TakeABow>done, thanks =]
17:20<petern>please try to learn some of the basics ;p
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17:21<TakeABow>well how was i to know there was a thing for transmission?
17:21<adama>WOW pretty colours!! lol
17:21<petern>by looking it up
17:21<dmr>apt-cache search transmission
17:22<dmr>you were supposed to learn about that by doing 'man apt-cache', etc
17:22<TakeABow>oh, okay =]
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17:26<TakeABow>if i do this svn co svn:// Transmission
17:26<silent>pls apt-get source for debian lenny please
17:26<TakeABow>where is that file created?
17:26<adama>xrandr is only showing one output "default" but my card has three (DVI,VGA,S-viceo)
17:27<adama>TakeABow: .
17:27<adama>but why would you do that, just aptitude install it
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17:28<TakeABow>i don't know how to access it after i aptitude install it
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17:28<TakeABow>so i'm reading a guide
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17:28<adama>TakeABow: it will be available in the Applications menu, or just type transmission
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17:29<aneonoe_>hi, i have a lenny laptop (samsung Q45) and i want to control my fan which does not stop even if sensors idicate less than 30°C; do you know how i could control it? (i have seen some things on the internet without any solution); do you have any idea?
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17:31<TakeABow>adama: i installed it using aptitude and typed transmission, just said command not found
17:31<dkr>aneonoe_: lmsensors has a fan control app I believe
17:31<dkr>aneonoe_: lm-sensors to be exact
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17:32<aneonoe_>dkr: which package?
17:32<dkr>that one
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17:32<aneonoe_>how yes, it is installed
17:32<adama>TakeABow: it should.
17:33<TakeABow>i'm only using a CLI btw
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17:33<aneonoe_>and i tried sensors-detect, but only coretemp module is adviced dkr ; moreover pwmconfig does not show anything
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17:33<dork5002>I've installed debian on a powermac-g5, but it hangs at boot showing a folder with the finder icon and a question mark. Anyone have an idea what might be wrong.
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17:34<dmr>TakeABow: are you sure the executable is called 'transmission' rather than 'transmis' or 'tm-client' or 'tm-gui' or some stupid thing like that?
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17:34<dmr>you could also try doing 'locate transmission'
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17:35<dmr>or you might have installed some documentation under /usr/share/doc/transmission (or a similar dir name) which might tell you what to do
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17:38<kop>dork5002 : Random guess, a boot loader issue.
17:38<dork5002>kop: yeah, but I don't know how to do anything with yaboot
17:39*kop had the dust bunny from hell -- Took a week to find the problem.
17:39<kop>dork5002 :Sorry, me neither. Perhaps the install manual at Or IIRC, #debian-boot. ??
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17:40<dork5002>kop: the manual has been zero help, since it has little specifics about macs, but I'll go check out debian-boot. Hopefully it isnt as empty as debianppc
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17:41<kop>dork5002 : It's the channel where the installer folk are. (I think.) If that's not right check the installer devel web page.
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17:45<amd64>guys, what can I do if I need a newer version of mysql? (etch only gone to 5.0.32)
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17:48<man_dxmb2>i use kbdrate but sine installing console-setup or setup-console it defaults - i get 3 times the keys on X - any idea ?
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17:52<diego>hey guys
17:52<diego>last debian update enables keyword accesibility (slow keys) by default
17:52<diego>I have had a hard time finding that was the problem with my keyword in X
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17:53<diego>do you know where I can post this bug
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17:54<man_dxmb2>does it do three keystrokes written per typing one >
17:54<man_dxmb2>s > ?
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17:58<adama>what is the current best way to do dual-head with nvidia? straight xrandr? or Twinview or something?
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17:59<man_dxmb2>maybe xinerama
17:59<man_dxmb2>get any that works
17:59<adama>nothing works :(
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17:59<man_dxmb2>i guess the swap worked
17:59<man_dxmb2>so anyway try the nvidia drivers
17:59<adama>sort of... I have the nvidia drivers running
18:00<man_dxmb2>dunno never tried, tho i can do 4 monitors on these two ports
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18:00<adama>but I can't get dual-head. I used to use xrandr but xrandr is only showing one output
18:00<man_dxmb2>the wm needs to do use that extension too ?
18:01<man_dxmb2>also you prolly need other settings
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18:03<nikto>how can I install xorgcfg ?
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18:07<adama>WAAAAAGHHHHH it works
18:07<adama>used this nvidia-settings thinger
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18:07<adama>this calls for a victory beer!
18:08<nikto>how can I install xorgcfg ?
18:10<dr|zed>apt-cache search xorg
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18:11<nikto>xorg already installed in my system
18:11<nikto>i.e Xserver
18:12<dr|zed>Sure, use that command and you'll see what's available xorg-wise to install.
18:12<bzed>wtf is xorgcfg?
18:12<stew>something old, and no longer existant
18:12<stew>it went away around 7.1
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18:13<stew>nikto: use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" for the 'debian way' or "X -configure" for the upstream way
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18:15<nikto>Xorg -configure is not cool configurated tool
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18:19<philsf>what does this message mean: Jan 30 15:16:27 america3 sshd[31440]: error: connect_to port 80: failed.
18:21<aetheria>sshd is trying to connect to http port?
18:21<philsf>aetheria: I never seen this before
18:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives>
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18:25<man_dxmb2>X -configure shows me a fglrx error about 'no matching Device section'
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18:35<eldepeche>can anyone give some help with a "read only file system" error on an NFS mount? I've double checked exports and fstab and I can't figure it out.
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18:50<chealer>eldepeche: just ask
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18:52<diego>heya guys, do you know how to make touchpad mouse work in a toshiba satellite A55 series?
18:52<eldepeche>The mount command tells me it is mounted rw. I have appropriate permissions, and root is also unable to create files on the share. The server's exports file has it listed as rw. I can create files if I log in to the server. I can't figure out what else it would be
18:53<themill>diego: /msg dpkg laptops ; most touchpads are supported by the synaptics driver for xorg.
18:53<EmleyMoor>eldepeche: You mean you can't write to it at all remotely?
18:53<eldepeche>Not via NFS. If I ssh in, I can write to it.
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18:54<EmleyMoor>eldepeche: I'd check permissions on the mount point first...
18:56<EmleyMoor>Failing that, check that your uid and gid match or are dealt with
18:57<eldepeche>On the client? they are drwxrwxr-x. I am a member of the group. Both groups have gid 1001.
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19:00<variable>why for some usb keys throws a message: You are not privileged to mount the volume BLABLA, but i have a nother which is mounted automaticly. How to solve this problem without writing all that moun -t vfat ....?
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19:04<chealer>eldepeche: could you show an example of root being unable to create a file?
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19:05<diego>I have some weird bugs with keyboard and mouse (I have a HP Pavilion) ... if I disable the mouse with the button to do that (in my touchpad) then I cannot enable it again without restarting X
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19:05<diego>if I connect other keyboard
19:05<diego>then the notebook keyboard is disabled and wont come back
19:06<diego>(which I think also makes the computer not able to restart with a normal reboot)
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19:06<eldepeche>if I run sudo touch /mnt/foo
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19:07<eldepeche>i get: touch: setting times of `/mnt/foo': Read-only file system
19:07<gpb>do you try this as root or user?
19:08<eldepeche>i ran the command as user, but prefixed with sudo
19:08<gpb>oh, i see
19:08<eldepeche>same thing happens if I su
19:08<diego>eldepeche: run mount and see if the system is mounted read-only
19:09<diego>maybe you have /mnt mounted somewhere as read-only :S
19:09<gpb>something strange happened for me
19:09<TakeABow>Can anyone recommend a relativly easy to intall bittorrent client with a web interface for etch please?
19:09<gpb>etch system
19:09<eldepeche>it's mounted rw
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19:09<gpb>with some home-made kernel and nvidia drivers all worked great
19:09<jrabbit>TakeABow: deluge
19:09<jrabbit>use their packages
19:09<jrabbit>the rpeo is outdated
19:09<TakeABow>ohh, this looks funkay
19:09<TakeABow>transmission failed
19:09<gpb>with 2.6.24 and etchnhalf 2.6.24 and nv driver my system stops senduing signals to the monitor after around 15 minutes
19:09<jrabbit>trans sucks
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19:10<cesurasean>Can someone tell me how to install Pear::DB on a debian system using apt-get?
19:10<gpb>still being able to shutdown with remote ssh, but still....
19:10<jrabbit>cesurasean: don't?
19:11<jrabbit>I don't know if theres a package.
19:11<themill>jrabbit: perl or php?
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19:12<EmleyMoor>php-db is the package if that's what you want
19:12<jrabbit>Pear::DB implies perl.
19:12<jrabbit>I don't want it cesurasean does.
19:12<themill>except that Pear is the name of the PHP extensions repository
19:12<EmleyMoor>It depends on pear
19:12<themill>EmleyMoor: (yes, you're right)
19:13<themill>judd: info php-db
19:13<judd>themill: php-db (web): is optional; Version: 1.7.6-2; Size: 123.9k; Installed: 816k -- PHP PEAR Database Abstraction Layer
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19:13<EmleyMoor>I have php-db on my system
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19:15<bighornram>i have lenny amd64 installed. on boot when uvcvideo attempts to load it errors then later loads with hald. is the first error message residual from when driver was installed originally before being included in hald? If so how do I remove this early attempt to load the driver?
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19:18<diego>can someone here check debian latest updates ...
19:18<diego>they seem to enable slow keys feature be default
19:18<diego>I was half an hour to see thats why my keyboard stopped working
19:18<EmleyMoor>diego: Not seen any such problem here
19:19<diego>yeah, dont know which update was
19:19<diego>but one of them enabled slow keys lol
19:20<stew>diego: does this happen only in X? or des it happen in the console as well?
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19:20<diego>is there a log of debian automatic updates (the ones installed with the update debian tool)
19:20<diego>(the one in gnome)
19:20<diego>only graphic and only inside gnome
19:20<diego>as it is a gnome feature
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19:20<diego>you could even log in in gdm
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19:21<chealer>bighornram: what do you mean by uvcvideo loading with hald?
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19:21<diego>its not a bug, I just think that it shouldnt be enabled by an update ... it was really annoying until I found out the reason (without my keyboard)
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19:22<diego>probably a n00b user wouldn't know what to do
19:22<bighornram>I can tell when there is activity because i see a blue light from the camera. It blinks when the error message occurs then when message says hald it blinks again.
19:23<bighornram>don't think it did that before the driver was included in the kernel.
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19:24<chealer>bighornram: since when is uvcvideo included in hald?
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19:24<diego>the bug actually happened in ubuntu in 2006
19:24<philsf>what does this message mean: Jan 30 15:16:27 america3 sshd[31440]: error: connect_to port 80: failed.
19:25<bighornram>chealer: can't tell you that it is but that is when I get the blue light blink again so it does something then.
19:25<diego>and it happened yesterday in debian, ... someone enabled that by default
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19:26<chealer>bighornram: the fact that your light would blink at the same time as you see hald doesn't mean that uvcvideo is included in hald.
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19:32<bighornram>chealer: the following error is what I am interested in resolving (if need be)
19:32<bighornram>[ 9.500253] uvcvideo: Failed to query (135) UVC control 1 (unit 0) : -32 (exp. 26).
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19:38<bighornram>chealer: so as I am corrected that uvcvideo is not in hald, do you have any ideas about the error message?
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19:54<leonardo_>Hi, where to find a deb package of this app:
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19:54<leonardo_>Really would like to install it, but didn't find a deb package ot the package on repository
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19:56<wired>Does anybody know anything about the KDETV and why the sound drivers do not work properly issue?
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20:00<barnes>leonardo_ if its not in repository install it manually
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20:01<leonardo_>barnes: need to compile and.. It's hard for me
20:01<leonardo_>barnes: could you provide a deb package for me?
20:01<barnes>who else can do it for you =)
20:02<leonardo_>barnes: what to do?
20:02<barnes>install it manually it is good knowledge for the future
20:02<leonardo_>so teatch me
20:02<simonrvn>wired: the BTS does.
20:02<leonardo_>barnes: can be?
20:02<barnes>read the install.txt and readme file
20:03<dpkg> -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :)
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20:04<leonardo_>barnes: as i can see need kde4. Debian doesn't have kde4
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20:17<tczern>what's the command to shutdown a system, I once had a button for that but it is gone now
20:18<barnes>leonardo_ sry but google is your friend
20:19<barnes>tczern shutdown -h now
20:19<wired>does anybody know about the kdetv issue with the sound drivers not working?
20:20<tczern>shutdown: cannot find pid of running shutdown
20:20<tczern>?? what's that?
20:21<tczern>will zap the powercord, need to go
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20:22<gpb>what issue, wired?
20:23<wired>gpb: I cannot get my audio drivers to play sound but i get video
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20:24<blal>I want GNUnet how do I GNUnet?
20:24<blal>0.8 even
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20:30<gpb>which version of it?
20:30<gpb>standarddebian? etch? lenny?
20:31<wired>kdetv 3.5.5 in debian etch
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20:36<gpb>can you select the audio device?
20:36<wired>alsa or oss but none work
20:36<gpb>is perhaps the channel that should play it muted?
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20:37<wired>nah all the channels dont have sound muted or not
20:37<gpb>no bug in database, too
20:38<wired>yeah, i have googled the problem and others seem to not have this solved
20:40<gpb>if there are others with the problem perhaps you should file a bug report... :)
20:40<wired>well isn't kdetv discontinued?
20:40<blal>how do i GNUnet?
20:41<wired>Do you use kdetv gpb?
20:42<gpb>well, not now... my dvb-t card isn't recognized currently :(
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20:47<gpb>my graphis card seems to overheat with 2.6.24etchnhalf kernel
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20:48<gpb>it shuts down regularly after some time
20:48<wired>i have that kernel for my rt2500 wireless drivers
20:48<gpb>longer in text mode
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20:48<gpb>now i tuched it and burned my fingers....
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20:49<gpb>and while rebooting the fan blew so strong it really became *loud*
20:49<Txt-file>gpb: the gpu-fan is working, isn't it?
20:49<gpb>at least after rebooting it was :)
20:49<gpb>have to try soon, but let it cool down in windows
20:49<gpb>just reboting
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20:51<gpb>yep, it blows
20:51<gpb>(but it's still sucking it doesn't blow enough ^^)
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20:55<Txt-file>have you tried to log the temps?
20:55<gpb>don't know how
20:56<gpb>now gone back to 2.6.18, testing there
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21:00<oipunx>hey, i have a separate ntfs hdd /dev/sdc1 and i tried to use it w/ kvm but it wouldnt show up
21:00<oipunx>i used it w/ kvm -hdc /dev/sdc
21:01<oipunx>any idea why
21:01<dpkg>well, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also and
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21:02<oipunx>i know what ntfs is..
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21:02<oipunx>how do you use it in kvm?
21:03<Txt-file>what kind of kvm?
21:03<oipunx>xp 64bit
21:04<oipunx>couldnt find the correct switch it seems
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21:06<gpb>looks like my graphics card fan is blowing up
21:07<gpb>sounds like a lawn mower now
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21:09<gpb>and now stopped completely
21:10<gpb>no probs with windows, though
21:10<Txt-file>you should try lm-sensors
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21:11<Txt-file>what kind of card is it?
21:11<gpb>how, if the second i installed it the monitor got no signal any longer?
21:11<gpb>some nvidia
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21:12<leonardo_>when i install kde by repository, in which folder this is installed?
21:12<leonardo_>I ask this because on compile tutorial say: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/kde4
21:12<leonardo_>how knows my kde directory is on opt or no
21:12<gpb>not in opt,
21:13<leonardo_>how known which directory?
21:13<leonardo_>is installed
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21:13<gpb>locate kde - quick and really dirty
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21:14<gpb>standard /usr/bin, /usr/include etc
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21:23<gpb>one update-pciids later i finally know I have a Geforce 7950 GT in this comp
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21:26<gpb>unfortunately no sensor lm-sensors of etch recognises....
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21:32<gpb>i shall now update to lenny, is that what you mean?
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21:33<Txt-file>no ... I mean that in etch is also a version of lm-sensors ... looks old but hopefully do what you need
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21:34<gpb>i tried that
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21:35<gpb>but it recognises only the sensors of cpu and motherboard
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21:35<gpb>i try to find if the grphics card will be recognised with later version
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21:35<Txt-file>I am not sure if it can recognise the gpu-temp
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21:38<ike>gpb, what card?
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21:39<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mimmo
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21:40<gpb>geforce 7950 GT, ike
21:40<gpb>found someone with a similar problem on the net:
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21:40<ike>gpb, install the nvidia drivers off the site, the nvidia control panel has a temp app
21:41<gpb>nvidia drivers don't compile with 2.6.24-etchnhalf kernel... :)
21:41<ike>you need to get the headers
21:41<leonardo_>debina clone
21:41<gpb>still tried
21:41<gpb>some strange error
21:41<leonardo_>debian clone
21:42<ike>get a kernel from then and compile one =)
21:42<gpb>you mean not only tainting my debian kernel but replacing it completely? :)
21:43<gpb>well, that's my next step
21:43<ike>thats not the latest drivers is it?
21:43<ike>using here
21:44<gpb>first reply of the bug report:
21:44<gpb>A newer driver (or at least a patch) is needed to make it work with
21:44<gpb>2.6.24. The newer drivers in lenny/sid work, but of course they aren't
21:44<gpb>compatible with the x server in etch anymore due to a library issue
21:44<gpb>where the old xserver required the nvidia driver to provide a library,
21:44<gpb>while the new xserver required the nvidia driver to NOT provide that
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21:45<engywuck>gpb back
21:45<engywuck>happened the first time in years
21:46<engywuck>well, seems to be a problem with the ancient X server of etch :)
21:46<engywuck>I *really* want lenny to become stable now :)
21:46<ike>oh, i run deb 5.0
21:47<snogglethorpe>do those numbers actually get used anywhere by anybody?
21:47<snogglethorpe>there just to confuse?
21:47<engywuck>nvidia thermal monitor says 74 degress celsius rght now
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21:47<ike>damn thats high
21:48<ike>laptop i suppose?
21:48<ike>my 7600gt is at 54
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21:49<engywuck>72 now
21:49<engywuck>no, just a "normal" desktop
21:49<engywuck>is there some tray icon?
21:49<ike>and component failure can be expected at what? 90-120?
21:49<engywuck>it has one yellow bar
21:49<ike>i suppose you have a gpu fan?
21:49<engywuck>so it seems to be able to get higher still :)
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21:50<engywuck>and even blowing right now
21:50<engywuck>slowly blowing
21:50<goodger>snogglethorpe: the numbers are indeed used, people can't be expected to use ludicrous codenames all the time --- this isn't ubuntu
21:51<ike>hehe hey good
21:51<Txt-file>my 8600GS has failures when the gputemp is over 70°C
21:51<engywuck>next time I'll know better than to get an all-in-one configuration and buy some slower graphics card
21:51<goodger>all-in-one configuration? ¬.¬
21:51<snogglethorpe>goodger: take your word for it (I've never heard anyone refer to anything but the names)
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21:52<ike>stable, testing and unstable, is the easiest when it comes to names
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21:52<ike>is there experimental still?
21:52<engywuck> says they tested 68 degress under full load
21:52<engywuck>yes, all-in-one
21:53<engywuck>I went with a list of what i wanted and came back with a cheaper "all that you wanted only better" computer
21:53<ike>if you dont play any games or do any 3d shit, a low end will do just fine
21:53<engywuck>since they were able to give a "preconfigured-so-our-apes-don't-have-to-think"-rebate
21:54<goodger>though really the only solution is to build your own nowadays
21:54<engywuck>yes, that's the *only* thing I overlooked when buying it
21:54<engywuck>better cpu, better motherboard, etc etc
21:54<engywuck>plus more-power-hungry gpu
21:54<goodger>I'll swap it with mine if you like :)
21:55<engywuck>what cheap graphics card would you buy these days (pcie)
21:55<ike>i stick to nvidia, ati has disappointed me one to many times in the past
21:55<goodger>I wouldn't bother if you're not playing games or doing 3d stuff
21:55<engywuck>70 degrees now
21:55<goodger>intel onboard graphics are fine
21:56<ike>but anything marked with gt or gtx is generally good
21:56<engywuck>next one *will* be a onboard!
21:56<goodger>otherwise a somethingGT
21:56<engywuck>seems like nvidia driver is good for temperature
21:56<goodger>9600GT would probably be very cheap
21:56<ike>i thought the 7950 wsa onboard :S
21:56<engywuck>no, unfortunately not
21:57<ike>have you placed any other pci cards near it?
21:58<engywuck>only add-on card there
21:58<goodger>how many case fans do you have? are they free of dust? are the BIOS speed control systems active? what is the ambient temperature?
21:59<engywuck>no case fans, since it had none when buying :)
21:59<engywuck>just open case right now
21:59<engywuck>but i *will* watch it and perhaps buy one soon
21:59<engywuck>bios speed control is active
21:59<goodger>the bios speed control is irrelevant if there are no case fans
21:59<goodger>you need case fans
21:59<engywuck>room temp: 18 deg Celsius
22:00<goodger>one at the front and one at the back, facing the same way, and kept free of dust...
22:00<engywuck>ok... then I'll be buying one/two soon
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22:00<ike>or put your computer in the freezer ;)
22:00<engywuck>eeek, no
22:01<engywuck>not my pizzas
22:01<goodger>wouldn't hurt
22:01<engywuck>my pizzas would thaw
22:01<goodger>so long as you keep the thing running, to avoid condensation, as ike says (nearly)
22:01<engywuck>69 deg now
22:01<engywuck>and falling
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22:02<ike>defcon 5 at engywuck
22:02<engywuck>oh, you play defcon?
22:03<engywuck>my wish made me read wrong :)
22:03<ike>dont play much these days, a bit of xmoto mostly, some gt5p and civ1 on the amiga
22:03<engywuck>ah, it says "slowdown treshold 130 deg here :)
22:04<ike>yep, i'd think thats 10 degrees past near dead chip tho :S
22:04<goodger>my system shuts down at 60 ¬.¬
22:04<ike>most cpus have a failure point rated at about 90-110, i think maybe gpu's go a bit higher
22:05<engywuck>my cpu is 30°C right now....
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22:06<lkdhlfsh>hey. i just installed libcups2 and observed this output
22:06<lkdhlfsh>Preparing to replace libcupsys2 1.2.7-4etch6 (using .../libcupsys2_1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1_all.deb) ...
22:06<ike>engywuck, nice, what cpu?
22:07<ike>lkdhlfsh, nothing wrong with that ?
22:07<lkdhlfsh>is that saying that it installed the libs from the testing branch?
22:07<goodger>lkdhlfsh: yes
22:07<lkdhlfsh>i'm running etch
22:07<goodger>or at least that particular package
22:07<goodger>are you running etch-backports also?
22:07<lkdhlfsh>yeah. i have it in my repos
22:07<goodger>packages with -lenny filenames make their way into etch-backports
22:07<engywuck>some AMD dualcore
22:08<lkdhlfsh>...well, is that safe?
22:08<ike>nice, my amd 3200 32 bit sits at 45-52
22:08<engywuck>bpo means BackPortsOrg
22:08<goodger>lkdhlfsh: it's only a filename
22:09<engywuck>so it was backported to etch from testing/unstable
22:09<lkdhlfsh>confirm. safe?
22:09<engywuck>should work fine, bpo generally does a good work
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22:10<engywuck>if you *relly want to be safe don't abb backports to your rsources list :)
22:10<engywuck>but since lenny will become stable "quite soon"(tm)
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22:10<goodger>the backports are not guaranteed to be the same as the current contents of lenny, of course
22:11<ike>i've had some minor issues only with using unstable and testing in my repo, not like the system is likely to shrivel up and die on you
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22:11<ike>tho xfce has been acting up lately
22:11<engywuck>well, that's why I generally avoid unstable
22:11<engywuck>but testing ist mostly "good enough"
22:12<goodger>it has a ten-day test period
22:12<ike>and unstable?
22:13<engywuck>and for everything else I trely on ubuntu users getting the bleeding of the bleeding edge :p
22:13<goodger>unstable has no test period on a package-by-package basis
22:13<engywuck>what survives for 10 days in unstable is considered ripe for testing
22:14<ike>and experimental?
22:14<cesurasean>Can someone tell me how to completely remove bugzilla and install again?
22:14<ike>so fresh it might blow up ?
22:14<cesurasean>I keep getting errors.
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22:14<goodger>ike: precisely
22:14<goodger>cesurasean: "aptitude purge bugzilla"?
22:14<cesurasean>purge doesn't seem to be working. :(
22:14<goodger>pastebin its output?
22:15<cesurasean>no, purging works
22:15<cesurasean>but I still get errors when installing bugzilla
22:15<cesurasean>dpkg - warning: while removing bugzilla, directory `/etc/bugzilla' not empty so not removed.
22:15<dpkg>You are moron #18, cesurasean
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22:15<goodger>cesurasean: so delete the contents of /etc/bugzilla
22:15<cesurasean>I did that
22:16<ike>delete the directory then
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22:16<goodger>including hidden files?
22:16<ike>and dont upset mr dpkg ;)
22:16<cesurasean>dbconfig-common: flushing administrative password
22:16<cesurasean>/var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst: line 107: /etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-params: No such file or directory
22:16<cesurasean>that is what I get when I do aptitude install bugzilla
22:17<ike>you could get the package manually and install it
22:18<cesurasean>this guy seems to have the same problem -
22:18<cesurasean>seems he fixed it, but doesn't say how
22:18<ike>and what does line 107 of bugzilla.postins do?
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22:19<goodger>cesurasean: where are you getting this package?
22:19<cesurasean>apt-get install bugzilla
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22:21<engywuck>which repositories do you use?
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22:21<cesurasean>the etch ones
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22:22<streuner>judd, versions bugzilla
22:22<judd>streuner: bugzilla -- etch: 2.22.1-2
22:22<streuner>!info bugzilla
22:22<engywuck>bugzilla 2.22.1-2?
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22:23<cesurasean>not sure whichever version is in etch
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22:23<cesurasean>can someone tell me how to get this thing installed?
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22:24<engywuck>2.22.1-2 says my etch :)
22:25<streuner_>!info bugzilla etch
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22:25<engywuck>works for me
22:25<engywuck>installed, purged, re-installed
22:25<dpkg>bugzilla: (web-based bug tracking system), section web, is optional. Version: 2.22.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 802 kB, Installed size: 4420 kB
22:25<cesurasean>engywuck, can you send me the contents of those files?
22:25<ike>try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/bugzilla-2.22.1-2.deb or whatever , will probably fail at the same point but
22:26<engywuck>which files?
22:26<engywuck>the bugzilla-apt?
22:26<cesurasean>I need the contents of that file
22:26<engywuck>oh, just deleted again :)
22:26<ike>yes dear?
22:27<cesurasean>engywuck, can you pastebin the contents of that file?
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22:28<engywuck>ah, *now* I'm getting the same problem
22:28<engywuck>after removing /etc/bugzilla
22:29<engywuck>seems to be some bug
22:29<cesurasean>it's because I removed /etc/bugzilla also
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22:30<TakeABow>where does aria2 download to by default?
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22:31<engywuck>so it won't work anyway
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22:31<GNUdog>TakeABow: Current dir
22:32<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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22:34<engywuck>hi RIVE
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22:35<RIVE>Hi, engywuck.
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22:36<lkdhlfsh>hey. i'm getting an error message during compile that jack is not installed. i installed jack, but i'm still getting the same error message
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22:40<superjet_busy>lkdhlfsh: apt-cache search jack dev then install it
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22:49<cesurasean>I just updated my server, and now I can't login to mysql through phpmyadmin
22:49<cesurasean>any clue how to fix this issue?
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22:52<cesurasean>I'm able to login to mysql just fine, but the new phpMyAdmin isn't working anymore
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23:01<non_existant>hi burn
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23:03<vexue>does anyone know anything about video files!?!!!
23:03<burnclouds>I have a mixed debian box. (apt pinned testing/unstable/experimntal). I have just installed upstart replacing sysvinit. I am wondering if there are any upstart specific init scripts for debian services, or if we are still using the sysvinit files.
23:03<burnclouds>vexue, whats the question
23:04<cesurasean>anyone have a clue why I can't login to phpmyadmin to mysql, but can login to mysql on the command line?
23:04<vexue>i got this video file that has no tags and its a 720p video of taken but im unsure of what to do with it
23:06<burnclouds>vexue, I'm not understanding. Are you wanting to watch the video, edit it, or what?
23:06<vexue>totom plays it just fime and the icon on the desktop sees it as a mp3 or audio file
23:06<goodger>cesurasean: improperly configured phpmyadmin
23:06<vexue>i want to make it readable in most
23:07<cesurasean>why does the new install configure incorrectly?
23:07<burnclouds>if totem plays if fine, try running the "file" command
23:07<vexue>but i should just try avidux but this is quite different then normal!
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23:10<vexue>sorry about the confussion i just found the codecs for it i should be able to doso the rest of the way! thanks!!
23:10<burnclouds>I'm lost again. I think you have a video file in your desktop folder that does not have an extension/ is not being recognised to run with the proper program. Is that true?
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23:10<burnclouds>any one know I am wondering if there are any upstart specific init scripts for debian services
23:11<burnclouds>Any one know if there are any upstart specific init scripts for debian services?
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23:11<goodger>good grief
23:12<goodger>upstart is highly experimental within debian
23:12<burnclouds>i know :-D
23:12<engywuck>wtf *is* upstart anyway?
23:12<cesurasean>the config file for the new phpmyadmin seems to not be configured correctly
23:12<engywuck>!dpkg upstart
23:12<dpkg>i guess upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. check for more details. upstart is packaged in <experimental>.
23:12<burnclouds>the box im on is highlt experimental
23:12<cesurasean>!dpkg phpmyadmin
23:12<dpkg>from memory, phpmyadmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields.
23:12<engywuck>why does everyone want to replace init?
23:13<engywuck>init worked for what? 30 years?
23:13<goodger>engywuck: because it's 30 years old
23:13<goodger>it is, as such, unreasonably slow and non-event-based
23:13<engywuck>i quite expected this answer :)
23:13<goodger>upstart solves these difficulties
23:13<goodger>it is likely to cause unseen repercussions
23:13<engywuck>ah, let ubuntu sort out the problems
23:13<engywuck>I want something stable in debian
23:14<goodger>indeed! :)
23:14<goodger>they're testing all of this for us
23:14<cesurasean>phpmyadmin_4%3a2.9.1.1-9_all.deb seems to have a bug
23:14<burnclouds>well i installed upstart and shaved 20sec off my boot time. And that is including all the services the install re-enabled from my sysvinit config
23:14<cesurasean>can't connect to database in etch
23:14<engywuck>how often are you rebooting that 20 secs matter?
23:14<goodger>my boot time is only 25s to begin with!
23:15<burnclouds>old laptop
23:15<goodger>well, as I say, upstart is good at what it's designed to do
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23:15<engywuck>most of my boot time is finding my damn 40-odd length password on ever-changing keyboards :)
23:15<burnclouds>well 6yrs, P4 3.2, 4gig ram, 5200rmp 250gb hdd :-D
23:15<goodger>burnclouds: that's a higher spec than my desktop
23:16<goodger>whether upstart is good enough to do what init used to do is beyond the scope of ubuntu's current testing IMO
23:16<burnclouds>upstart wants to replace sysvinit and cron AND atd
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23:17<burnclouds>right now only sysvinit stuff has been done.
23:17<burnclouds>I just wondered about the init scripts.
23:17<burnclouds>The old init.d/ scripts for with upstart.
23:17<engywuck>my laptop takes 66 seconds to boot -- with 17 seconds for the password :)
23:18<goodger>once init has finished you're no longer booting
23:18<burnclouds>I'm down to 17s w/ upstart
23:18<burnclouds>on sysv I have ~40s
23:19<engywuck>well, my laptop is an EEE, so the hardware specs are slightly better on yours :)
23:19<engywuck>oh, including completely-encrypted SSD
23:19<burnclouds>2lbs vs 12lbs
23:19<engywuck>underclocked-to-650MHz CPU
23:19*goodger used MEGAYAWN
23:19<cesurasean>anyone else having issues with the new phpmyadmin?
23:19<goodger>critical hit!
23:19<cesurasean>under etch
23:19<goodger>cesurasean: etch does not have a new phpmyadmin
23:20<cesurasean>are you running phpMyAdmin
23:20<burnclouds>I use lenny. and have had no such problems with phpmyadmin
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23:20<cesurasean>I can't seem to login with phpMyAdmin, and I'm thinking the config file was messed up during upgrade
23:20<cesurasean>can someone paste their working config file for phpMyAdmin
23:20<engywuck>you *have* a backup, right?
23:21<goodger>the phpmyadmin in etch is 4:
23:21<goodger>it is not new
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23:21<cesurasean>I may be using etch+half then
23:21<burnclouds>there are three things I always tell me students. backup, backup, for the love of every thing holy, BACKUP.
23:21<goodger>no, it's the same as what you're reporting
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23:22<goodger>cesurasean: the config file would not have been overwritten during the upgrade unless you instructed it to
23:22<cesurasean>I had to upgrade with apt, and it upgraded to phpMyAdmin
23:22<goodger>4: =
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23:22<burnclouds>what was that?
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23:23<cesurasean>let me pastebin my config file for phpmyadmin
23:23<engywuck>I'm just upgrading to lenny
23:23<burnclouds>just grab the phpmyadmin from lenny if there are a ton of dependancies that need to be updated.
23:23<engywuck>only 65 unresolved conflicts so far
23:23<goodger>you do know we won't be able to help you unless you also supply us with all of your mysql databases?
23:23<cesurasean>can someone send me their config file for phpmyadmin?
23:24<goodger>engywuck: are you using the correct aptitude version?
23:24<engywuck>i think
23:24<goodger>cesurasean: get it out of the deb
23:24<goodger>engywuck: check again
23:24<cesurasean>goodget, can you send me yours?
23:24<engywuck>hmmm, apt-get shows none
23:25<superjet_busy>Celelibi: purge it then reinstall
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23:25<goodger>cesurasean: I don't use it
23:25<goodger>engywuck: do not use apt-get for pete's sake. pastebin the output from aptitude?
23:26<goodger>cesurasean: our config files will not help you because we do not own your computer
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23:26<goodger>you need to get a fresh config file from the deb as I said, and modify it appropriately
23:26<goodger>and pray to the higher power of your choice that your data is intact
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23:27<cesurasean>im able to login when I edit the config file for phpmyadmin
23:28<cesurasean>I need an older copy of someone's config file though
23:28<burnclouds>why can't you just get one from the deb?
23:28<goodger>burnclouds: PEBKAC
23:28<engywuck>error ID 10 T ?
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23:29<goodger>engywuck: sorry?
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23:30<burnclouds>not the infamous id10t error!!!
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23:31<goodger>a more cunning representation would be "ERR#b1010T"
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23:33<burnclouds>only in Kenya!
23:33<burnclouds>sorry I had that song just run through my mind....
23:33<goodger>forget norway...
23:34<goodger>good old weebl and bob
23:34<goodger>they even did an advert for butter
23:34<cesurasean>does anyone here use phpmyadmin who can send me their config file?
23:34<burnclouds>I sent you a link
23:34<goodger>cesurasean: what part of GET THE CONFIG FILE FROM THE DEB are you failing to understand?
23:35<engywuck_>just get the deb (preferrably from your cache
23:35<engywuck_>unzip in a safe place
23:35<engywuck_>search there
23:35<goodger>twenty-five to five AM, I'm going to bed ¬.¬
23:35<engywuck_>5:36 here
23:35<burnclouds>11:35pm here
23:35*goodger waves toward central europe
23:36*goodger waves toward eastern standard time
23:36<goodger>good night
23:36<engywuck_>gn8 goodger
23:36<engywuck_>!dpkg pastebin
23:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:36<cesurasean>where do I get the config file from the deb?
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23:38<burnclouds>or look in your apt cache
23:39<engywuck_> for my aptitude problem
23:39<engywuck_>now no "unresolved dependencies, but doesn't wark anyway
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23:40<engywuck_>mkdir /tmp/phpmyadmin-test
23:40<goodger>engywuck_: simply run full-upgrade instead. enjoy
23:41<engywuck_>goodger: release notes say to first do a "normal" upgrade
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23:42<burnclouds>goodger is correct
23:42<engywuck_>dist-upgrade freaks out
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23:44<engywuck_>xserver-xorg-video-all is what does make my eyebrows wrinkle...
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23:45<burnclouds>you can try to remove the packages as suggested by apt then do the upgrade. and then reinstall the removed packages.
23:45<engywuck_>that's somewhat unclean... ;-)
23:45<burnclouds>Just make sure you back up your /etc/x11//xorg.conf
23:46<goodger>safe-upgrade is clearly not going well
23:46<goodger>try running safe-upgrade instead of upgrade
23:46<goodger>oh, hang on
23:46<goodger>pastebin your sources.list
23:46<goodger>burnclouds: why should he back that up?
23:46<burnclouds>is that a joke?
23:46<goodger>engywuck_: pastebin sources.list?
23:46<goodger>burnclouds: no. it won't be overwritten during an upgrade
23:47<engywuck_>lenny doesn't write xorg.conf
23:47<goodger>_no_ config file is overwritten during an upgrade of any package
23:47<goodger>unless the user explicitly approves it
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23:48<engywuck_>the mplayer line was just added again to try to resolve the issue
23:48<burnclouds>Ah. I guess I have something go wrong durring an X upgrade once. paranoid. Oh! there's the govmnt again! I g2g!
23:48<goodger>engywuck_: change debian-multimedia to lenny also
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23:48<dpkg>dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade>
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23:48<goodger>enouf: pay attention
23:49<engywuck_>neither upgrade nor safe-upgrade nor dist-upgrade work right now
23:49<burnclouds>enouf: grumpy?
23:49<enouf>kiss your /etc/X11/xorg.conf byebye dorothy
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23:49<burnclouds>are you trying to upgrade from etch to lenny?
23:49<engywuck_>hey, I *have* backup of /etc :)
23:50<goodger>we tried full-upgrade and it failed because of the lack of debian-multimedia being set to the correct version in sources.list
23:50<burnclouds>I did that about 2months ago. worked fine
23:50<engywuck_>now he still wants to remove libft-perl libsasl2 and xserver-xorg-video-all in dist-upgrade
23:50<goodger>libsasl2 is redundant
23:50<engywuck_>multimedia wasn't in there when I tried normal "upgrade"
23:50<burnclouds>just remove those and do the upgrade
23:50<goodger>engywuck_: that will probably create even more problems
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23:50<goodger>xserver-xorg-video-all is a dummy package
23:50<burnclouds>packages i mean
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23:51<engywuck_>ah, I simply use apt-get and have no (shown) problems ^^
23:51<burnclouds>remove the 5 or so packeas it complaining about then do the upgrade
23:51<engywuck_>I'll do so, burnclouds
23:51<engywuck_>if you all promise it will boot again afterwards ^^
23:51<goodger>libft-perl was removed in lenny
23:52<burnclouds>nothing there should cause your box to not boot.
23:52<engywuck_>ok, then
23:53<burnclouds>at worst you wont be able to watch some dix video
23:53<burnclouds>but X should work fine
23:53<engywuck_>Score is -849 *brrrr*
23:54<goodger>burnclouds: you are aware that xserver-xorg-video-all is a dummy package containing graphics card drivers, right?
23:54<burnclouds>better than -1127
23:54<goodger>engywuck_: pastybinny
23:54<engywuck_>same as before
23:54<engywuck_>now if I press Y it says
23:54<engywuck_>1076 packages upgraded, 317 newly installed, 153 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
23:54<burnclouds>dummy package! no real contents
23:54<dpkg>from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
23:54<goodger>engywuck_: go!
23:55<burnclouds>just makes sure that the othe video packages are there. I tipically remove all the xserver-video* except the ONE i need.
23:55<engywuck_>cupsys-common will be deleted
23:55<engywuck_>but ok
23:56<goodger> it in fact has nothing to do with divx
23:56<burnclouds>the mplayer package was what i was refering to.
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23:56<burnclouds>and mencoder
23:56<engywuck_>oh well, mplayer can be reinstalled
23:56<goodger>cupsys is replaced by cups
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23:56<goodger>including cupsys-common
23:56<engywuck_>but xserver was what worried me
23:56<engywuck_>oh, ok
23:56<burnclouds>it's fine
23:57<engywuck_>downloading 1.3 gig of data...
23:57<goodger>that sounds about right
23:57<engywuck_>thank darwin I'm not on mobile internet any longer
23:57<goodger>the system is about 3-7G in a typical install
23:58<burnclouds>mobile internet? Like from a cell phone carrier?
23:58<engywuck_>UMTS, yes
23:58<engywuck_>10GB/mo limit
23:58<burnclouds>did that work w/ linux?
23:58<goodger>right, good deed completed, engywuck_ is upgrading to lenny properly
23:59<engywuck_>had the "business" tarriff, "normal" users get 100 hours/month
23:59<goodger>ben goes to bed. good night
23:59<engywuck_>now you can sleep well?
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