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---Logopened Mon Feb 02 00:00:40 2009
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00:04<sun>hi how do i take a file and get it into the cut/paste X buffer so i can 'paste' it into a web form?
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00:04<Lounge>ctrl+c & ctrl+v
00:05<Lounge>i think
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00:05<sun>lounge im looking for something 'commandline' i.e. $ tocutbuffer file.txt
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00:06<Lounge>would it be "cp"
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00:06<Lounge>as in cp -avxp ~/Documents/file.txt ??
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00:09<sun>lounge well let me explain a little more ... i write a file, file.txt, now i have to upload it to a website. but the website doens't have a 'button' to upload a file, only a large textfield, so i have to go through my file.txt screen by screen highlighting and pasting. id rather just have somthing like tocutbuffer file.txt and then paste once into the textfield...
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00:14<Lounge>sun: have you tried cat file.txt > <path to website's text field>?
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00:18<engywuck__>the only packet close to what he wants is postbinit
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00:19<Lounge>i know how to cat content from a file into another but i've never done it to a remote destination before
00:21<Lounge>cat file.txt > file2.txt
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00:21<Lounge>but cat file > to instert??
00:22<Lounge>never done that
00:22<engywuck__>don't think that works
00:22<Lounge>guess would have to be a bash script
00:22<engywuck__>I always opened it in kwrite/oowriter and used Ctrl-C
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00:24<Lounge>why does gedit refuse to open binary files?
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00:25<dr|z3d>Lounge: Because it's a text editor?
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00:27<Lounge>yes i know but... like notepad would display the binary and hex/op code :/ why not gedit to do the same
00:27<engywuck__>because gedit is not notepad?
00:27<engywuck__>less doesn't want to show binaries, too :)
00:28<engywuck__>for hex editing there are better editors, ghexedit for graohics, methinks
00:28<Lounge>well i think it should!
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00:28<engywuck__>just be happy it handles UTF-8 :)
00:29<Lounge>ok look lets say i wanna dump the first 512 bytes of the first sector of the hdd to a file
00:29<Lounge>and view it
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00:29<Lounge>why not use gedit for that?
00:30<engywuck__>because gedit is optimised for text
00:30<Lounge>now i know i can just do a hexdump in terminal sure
00:30<engywuck__>you can use graphical hex editors...
00:30<dr|zed>You've just had hex capable apps recommended..
00:30<Lounge>okay so gedit can't or won't convert binary to test then
00:30<engywuck__>and I don't like egglaying milk- giving sheep
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00:31<Lounge>pitition i say!
00:32<blarson>Lounge: I'd use dd to copy the bytes and od to display them. (Use man for appropriate options.)
00:32<Lounge>yes that would be the best way to get the 411 on sectors
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00:34<Lounge>like: dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C
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00:35<debian>can someone help me sort out my xorg.conf? my login is defaulting to the wrong res. and ive got no acceleration
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00:39<Txt-file>debian: please pastebin your xorg.conf
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00:47<debian>i added the line for driver "intel" but that didnt change anything
00:48<debian>im using lenny with an integrated g31 gpu
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00:52<debian>any ideas?
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00:54<Txt-file>debian: says "This package provides the driver for the Intel i8xx and i9xx family of chipsets, including i810, i815, i830, i845, i855, i865, i915, i945 and i965 series chips."
00:55<debian>im not using any of those chipsets though
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00:59<Txt-file>debian: you have the intel-driver but the intel-driver looks if it has no driver for your graphic chipset ... this could be the problem
01:01<debian>ive gotten this to work once before in the past but i dont remember what i did
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01:03<debian>also, the output of my xorg.log says g31 is supported
01:04<debian>and it identifies it as a g33
01:04<debian>which is basically the same
01:06<engywuck__>as says
01:09<debian>any ideas?
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01:09<engywuck__>which debian flavour are you using?
01:10<debian>its working ok when i log in, except for glxgears having really low fps. and my login window is the wrong res.
01:10<engywuck__>ok, then the above mentioned bug should be not yours
01:10<engywuck__>unfortunately I have an nvidia, so I don't know exactly about intel graphics card
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01:11<engywuck__>is glx module loaded?
01:11<debian>could i peep your xorg.conf for your nvidia chip?
01:11<debian>umm, im not sure. how do i check
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01:12<engywuck__>or in the logs of X
01:12<And1>Hey folks... anyone else experiences problems with line-drawing in urxvt? - Lines like in tree or ncmpc(pp) sometimes just disappear when I alt-tab through my opened windows.
01:13<debian>glxinfo= no protocal
01:14<engywuck__>but it's been made in etch
01:17<engywuck__>working in lenny now, but...
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01:22<jeff>hello everyone
01:23<jeff>im trying to add a second NIC card in a PCI slot.
01:23<jeff>here is what I get
01:23<jeff>eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xb000, 00:0c:6e:ba:1b:cd, IRQ 17
01:24<jeff>eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101'
01:24<jeff>debian:/home/jeff# ifup eth1
01:24<jeff>Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
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01:24<Supaplex>jeff: man 5 interfaces
01:24<jeff>ifconfig eth1 says no such device
01:25<Supaplex>where'd you get the eth1: lines from then?
01:25<jeff>well at first I was getting this error?
01:26<jeff>8139cp 0000:02:0f.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip
01:26<jeff>8139cp 0000:02:0f.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
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01:26<Supaplex>so modprobe 8139too
01:26<jeff>so then I did "modprobe 8193too"
01:26<jeff>i did
01:26<Supaplex>does ifconfig -a show it?
01:26<jeff>what next, add something to the interfaces files?
01:27<jeff>wow this is interesting
01:27<jeff>it lists eth0, then eth2
01:27<Supaplex>sounds normal
01:27<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
01:28<jeff>thats cool then
01:28<jeff>so far so good then
01:28<jeff>so the next step is to configure interfaces?
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01:29<jeff>k Ill try
01:29<dpkg>Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
01:30<jeff>yes sir!
01:30<jeff>ill slug through this man page and wont stop!
01:30<engywuck__>SIR YES SIR you meant?
01:31<jeff>then Ill go thruogh some more. My mission is to connect an IP camera via the ethernet cable to the PC then broadcast that signal to the internet
01:32<Supaplex>ahh. sounds like a job for the webcam package
01:32<jm_>cool we can look forward to some amateur porn
01:32<engywuck__>is there *anything* debian hasn't already a package for?
01:32<engywuck__>i mean, there even was/is some packet to download porn
01:32<Supaplex>engywuck__: quite a few.
01:34<jeff>yea dude ill def. hook the chan up
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01:35<jeff>debian webcam package you say? I want to be able to view it via the internet on my g1 android
01:35<debian>i still cant figure out whats wrong
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01:35<debian>none of my settings are being saved when i reboot also
01:36<Supaplex>jeff: webcam uploads them to a web server
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01:36<Supaplex>debian: are you running a live cd?
01:36<debian>fresh install of lenny with kde4
01:36<Supaplex>debian: how did you come up with the all so unique username "debian" then?
01:37<debian>its the default for xchat
01:37<debian>im too lazy to type anything else
01:37<debian>not like anyone here knows me anyway
01:38<Supaplex>what settings are not preserved on reboot?
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01:38<debian>well, 1st thing 1st. im here because i cant get my display to work right.
01:38<Supaplex>and we can't figure out what's wrong because you assume we still know
01:39<debian>my login window is the wrong res and sync and after i log into kde i have to manually set the res to where it should be.
01:39<debian>also glxgears fps seems low
01:39<jm_>that's fixed by editing xorg.conf
01:39<debian>im not sure where to start editing
01:39<Supaplex>and 3d drivers.
01:39<debian>ive tried several different things
01:40<Supaplex>!setup x
01:40<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
01:41<jm_>are you using etch or lenny (i missed the start)?
01:41<debian>xorg is already installed
01:42<debian>i wouldnt have an xorg.conf to edit if it wasnt
01:42<jm_>ok then you you have an empty xorg.conf so you'll need to add it manually - how is the resolution wrong? too small? too big?
01:42<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template.
01:43<debian>my monitor is 1024x768 but it comes up as 1152x864
01:43<debian>after i log in i have to manually change it back to 1024x768
01:43<jm_>ok so it needs lowering - simply set default mode
01:43<debian>how do i set default mode?
01:43<jm_>paste your xorg.conf on pastebin so I can tell you what to do
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01:46<jm_> SubSection "Display"
01:46<jm_> Depth 24
01:46<jm_> Modes "1600x1200"
01:46<jm_> EndSubSection
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01:47<jm_>sorry I hate iceweasel and its cretin method of copying stuff to selection
01:49<debian>then just restart x?
01:50<jm_>just restart your DM
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01:53<streuner_>jm_: whats hard to copy and paste stuff with iceweasel?
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01:54<debian>i think it worked!
01:55<jm_>streuner_: it's about copying from location field - if you are careful and mark text from end to end, it does its job properly, but if you want to do it very fast like for example in xterm where you move mouse down to select entire line, it doesn't copy it
01:55<debian>ok, so now how so i improve these crappy glxgears fps?
01:56<debian>i added the line module load glx but it didnt change anything
01:57<Supaplex>what video hardware is this?
01:58<Supaplex>lspci -nn | grep VGA
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02:00<Guest5>im using an intel g31
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02:07<mee>i feel like my glxgears score should be higher than 1400fps
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02:08<chealer>!tell mee about glxgears
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02:12<sander_m>Hi all. Since two days I have a perculiar problem with icedove. The F8 shotcut to open/close the message pane has stopped working. Opening and closing it with the mouse/menu does work. I have tried attaching Xev to my thunderbird window but Xev doesn't show any keypresses at all. I am using Lenny and there have not been any updates to icedove or to metacity. Any ideas on how to solve this?
02:13<mee>i dont get it chealer
02:13<Supaplex>sander_m: try it as a different user. isolate the profile. adduser something for a test, and try to break/work it there.
02:13<dpkg>rumour has it, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package.
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02:14<chealer>mee: glxgears is not a benchmark tool
02:14<mee>i know that, but if i was getting 1400fps with a 8800gts or something, id say that indicates a problem
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02:22<sander_m>Supaplex: Found it! I tried as a different user and it didn't work either. I noticed that none of my F keys worked. Turns out that the new keyboard I bought mas a "mode" button that toggles the F keys from their standard function to a programmable function. I must have hit it accidentally.
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02:24<Supaplex>well cool. sometimes it's figuring out what it's not. then new ideas come to store.
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02:41<mee>so what can i do to improve my opengl performance?
02:44<metalqga>code a better driver
02:44<jm_>I wouldn't care about glxgears
02:45<superjet_busy>get more powerful card
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02:46<metalqga>24-25fps for videos is enough, for games 30-40. most 'pro' gamers always go for150fps (i dont see the point)
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02:49<petern>where 'enough' is a minimum, not a target...
02:50<metalqga>what's the difference in perception and performance in a 3d game between 50 and 150fps?
02:51<petern>feels smoother, you did however say 30-40 not 50 :)
02:51<mee>well, i just want to be sure im getting some kind of acceleration
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02:52<mee>some animations lag but i admit to having a crappy card
02:52<metalqga>yeah petern still the ratio is of the same dimension
02:52<jm_>mee: you must be, otherwise glxgears would be much much slower
02:52<mee>i just want to get the most out of my crap
02:52<jm_>8800GTS is crappy these days?
02:52<mee>i have an intel g31
02:52<mee>not nvidia
02:53<jm_>ahh so you are comparing it to what you *were* getting
02:53<petern>g31... hehheh
02:53<mee>you said glxgears is not good for benchmarking. my point was that its useful to identify a problem
02:53<mee>so IF i had an 8800 with a low fps, that would indicate something is wrong
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02:54<jm_>dpkg was saying that, and yes, it's not a very good tool to do that
02:54<dpkg>jm_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
02:54<mee>not that the fps number means anything real
02:55<mee>how can i check were synaptic installed something?
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02:55<petern>dpkg -L packagename
02:55<dpkg>ii packagename 1.8-14 petern's private stamp collection
02:55<jm_>use dpkg to list package contents
02:55<mee>i think i need to point konqueror to wherever synaptic put the nonfree flash plugin
02:56<petern>silly dpkg bot got the case wrong :o
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02:57<Supaplex>dpkg -L hello
02:57<dpkg>No packages found matching hello
02:58<Supaplex>fooey ;)
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03:03<oipunx>anyone uses kvm here?
03:04<Supaplex>not it
03:04<Supaplex>but mabye I should start.
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03:05<oipunx>im trying to mount an ntfs hard drive but so far no luck
03:05<oipunx>in kvm that is
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03:05<Supaplex>how is it different that mounting in a vanilla system?
03:06<oipunx>you need the right switch
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03:10<mee>i cant get flash to work in konqueror
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03:10<mee>the plugin is in /usr/lib/flashplugin and i had konqueror scan that dir but nothing is happening
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03:39<brianwillis1984>hey everyone
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03:44<brianwillis1984>hey what is the best stable debian out there
03:46<jm_>there is only one
03:46<brianwillis1984>what is that
03:46<brianwillis1984>im still new to linux and all
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03:47<the-dude>like jm_ already said there is only one stable debian distribution called "etch" or stable
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03:51<metalqga>well he could try the older stable versions
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04:04<the-dude>yeah but would that be "the best stable" ;)
04:04<Supaplex>it's rock solid.
04:05*the-dude would not recomment it
04:09<M0ffe> /home resides on the partition and is not relevant for grub
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05:23<greuff>hi, I'm looking for an apache module that can authenticate against LDAP
05:23<greuff>in sarge I was using auth_ldap which was in the apache2-common package
05:23<greuff>what should I take for lenny?
05:24<jm_>/usr/lib/apache2/modules/ is in apache2.2-common
05:24<jm_>whatever that is
05:25<jm_>it's for LDAP authentication
05:26<greuff>ok, I'm gonna try this, thank you
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05:34<enouf>greuff: guess also man a2enmod
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05:48<Zoup>any idea how can i choose to mbr after syslinux timeout ?
05:49<jm_>how to do what?
05:50<Zoup>jm_: em , was that with me? im looking for a way to make syslinux timeout cause really syslinux to die and allow bios to boot next device, or better, syslinux boots another device
05:50<Zoup>jm_: this is the issue with cdrom that remain in cd-drive after installation
05:50<jm_>Zoup: ala windows CD?
05:52<Zoup>jm_: exactly
05:53<jm_>Zoup: i don't think it supports that
05:54<Zoup>jm_: i do wonder if its possible to chain load things, bad thing is that it get exact addresses of disks ( hd0,1... )
05:57<jm_>Zoup: the best idea is to probably simply chainload MBR (hd0) - but that will hang if you have crap on MBR
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05:57<Zoup>jm_: i see
05:58<jm_>Zoup: so verifying that it's some sort of valid MBR is in order
05:58<Zoup>jm_: that wont matter much since after all its default after long timeout :)
05:59<jm_>Zoup: but the problem is that it won't timeout - it's directly loading and executing the code from MBR, so that doesn't really return
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06:00<Zoup>jm_: guess i can put mbr loading under labem , set default on that label and put timeout
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06:03<Zoup>jm_: take a look
06:03<jm_>Zoup: you can use GRUB instead
06:05<Zoup>jm_: thank you :) you are always helpful
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06:06<jm_>Zoup: it supports booting from CD and then you can create a menu to boot from disk on timeout
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06:07<Zoup>jm_: i see..
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06:20<oipunx>hm where do i get the mkfs.fat32?
06:20<enouf>oipunx: mkfs.vfat
06:20<enouf>oipunx: mkdosfs -F 32
06:21<enouf>dosfstools pkg, iirc
06:22<oipunx>for usb drive, format it as W95 FAT32 right?
06:22<enouf>could be whatever, sometimes fat16
06:23<enouf>file -s /dev/sda1 (or whatever dmesg | tail tells you your usb /dev/name is)
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06:24<oipunx>hwo do i check it for corruption
06:26<jm_>dosfstools has dosfsck
06:28<enouf>find a cd with scandisk.exe and scandskw.exe on it?
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06:32<oipunx>that's wierd it wouldnt mount on kvm anymore
06:32<oipunx>no error.. but it doesnt show up
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07:08<And1>Hey folks... anyone else experiences problems with line-drawing in urxvt? - Lines like in tree or ncmpc(pp) sometimes just disappear when I alt-tab through my opened windows.
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07:25<Lemonzest>anyone know of a way to increase throughput of a USB 2.0 HDD? hdparm is saying i get around 32MB/s read speed
07:26<jm_>that's about max.
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07:28<Lemonzest>oh right, thought it would be faster than my usb sticks thats all
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07:30<jm_>yeah good sticks match that
07:30<Lemonzest>yeah, so much for the 60MB/s potential rate
07:31<enouf>be happy you got half that
07:31<Lemonzest>lol i'm not complaining :P
07:32<Lemonzest>just needed a drive to back up to, so i can blow away my mandriva install and replace it with lenny amd64
07:32<OdyX>42.4 Mb/s on my local Sata... :-)
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07:33<nelse>hi all
07:33<Lemonzest>my local sata gets 75MB/s :)
07:34<jm_>Lemonzest: that's why I bought esata drive
07:34<Lemonzest>i dont have eSATA ports :(
07:34<Lemonzest>and i'm not routing an internal out the back
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07:35<jm_>yeah I purposedly bought my motherboard so it would have esata port, hopefully soon majority of them will have it
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07:38<Lemonzest>i just needed a bog standard budget P43 board for a core2, got an MSI P43Neo-F
07:38<enouf>jm_: chip the esata uses? and what kind of speed do you get? and .. expensive enclosure or a prefabbed MyBook type dealio?
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07:38<Lemonzest>dont need crossfire and all that jazz
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07:39<jm_>enouf: jmicron. 64MB/s (it's slow seagate drive). it's medion (I payed 80EUR for 500G esata drive and new 500G disk at the same time would cost about 75-80, but that's a bit faster drive)
07:41<enouf>jm_: ahh .. i'm happy you haven't hit any jmicron issues - thanks for info
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07:41<jm_>well that's thanks to intel for not including esats in P45 :)
07:42<jm_>esata even
07:44<jm_>so pretty much every manfuacturer adds another controller just for that (on higher cost motherboards)
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07:45<Lemonzest>btw whats the best way to back up my /home? cp/rsync??
07:46<petemc>rsync works
07:46<nelse>vote 4 rsync ;)
07:46<Lemonzest>does it preserve the date stamps?
07:46<jm_>I use ;)
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07:46<snogglethorpe>Lemonzest: if you ask it too
07:46<OdyX>I vote for "unison" or rdiff-backup
07:46<jm_>yes rsync can do that if you tell it to
07:46<snogglethorpe>Lemonzest: e.g., "-a" option
07:46<OdyX>I use unison to sync stuff from multiple laptops
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07:47<snogglethorpe>Lemonzest: spend some time browsing rsync's --help -- it has _tons_ of very useful options
07:47<OdyX>and rdiff_backup to have incremental backups
07:47<Lemonzest>reading the man now
07:47<TakeABow>what's the best and easiest FTP to use for debian?
07:47<jm_>I shall read about rdiff someday
07:47<jm_>TakeABow: lftp
07:48<fara>come funziona?
07:48<OdyX>TakeABow: vsftpd is rather easy
07:48<OdyX>!tell fara about it
07:48<OdyX>fara: you received a private message from dpkg
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07:49<jm_>ahh no, rdiff-backup doesn't have exclusions
07:51<debam>hi to all ,i am having problem on my some lan system,it is not able to print on network printer
07:51<Lemonzest>so looks like a simple rsync -av /home/ /backup/ :D
07:51<Lemonzest>i'll add -c to make sure checksums are matched
07:51<OdyX>jm_: it does !
07:51<debam>after removing and adding once again printer it works fine
07:52<OdyX>jm_: --include-globbing-filelist /home/didier/.rdiff-include-list
07:52<OdyX>- **iso
07:52<OdyX>- **avi
07:52<OdyX>- **qcow2
07:52<jm_>OdyX: FAQ says the only way to do it is using some sort of expire-after-time option
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07:52<Woet>drwx------ 7 www-data www-data 4096 2009-01-26 11:44 test
07:52<Woet>what does that '7' mean?
07:52<jm_>OdyX: in that case I'd have to generate a list of files to include, in my case it's simpler doing the opposite
07:53<OdyX>jm_: nope :-> You can include and exclude..
07:53<OdyX>as shown above, I exclude all .iso, .avi and .qcow2 e.g
07:53<debam>i am getting error as E [15/Jan/2009:02:08:52 +0530] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
07:53<debam>E [15/Jan/2009:20:58:35 +0530] [cups-driverd] Unable to open PPD directory "/opt/share/ppd": No such file or directory
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07:54<jm_>OdyX: can you exclude say ~/tmp dir ?
07:54<OdyX>jm_: I 'think' so - did not make it... lemme take a look
07:54<jm_>debam: well the fact that it's using /opt means it's not cupsys package from Debian
07:54<debam>jm_, its from debian only
07:55<jm_>debam: but CUPS in Debian doesn't touch /opt
07:55<debam>jm_, this is version 1.3.5-1+b1
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07:56<Woet>jm_: any idea?
07:56<OdyX>jm_: yes we can.
07:56<OdyX>jm_: --exclude-globbing-filelist
07:57<jm_>OdyX: ok thanks, will look into it in more details
07:57<debam>jm_, this version is quite older but how to solve this issue
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07:57<jm_>Woet: isn't it listed in the documentation?
07:57<jm_>debam: hold on
07:57<Woet>jm_: sure, somewhere on the internet
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07:59<OdyX>I have a question too.. I have a laptop with a slow HDD (SSD), how can I configure it to have bigger disk caches and agressively use more memory (1Gib is way enough)
07:59<jm_>Woet: number of hard links or somesuch
07:59<Woet>not true
07:59<Woet>that directory doesn't have any hardlinks
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08:00<enouf>wanna bet?
08:00<jm_>dirs in it are included in that count IIRC
08:00<Woet>hm, useless figure then
08:00<jm_>why did you ask about it then? :P
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08:00<Woet>just wondering what it was
08:00<Woet>and whether it was useful to show to my customers
08:00<enouf>find / -samefile test (or similar)
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08:01<oigres>Is there a way of deleting "old and unused" packages using aptitude? I'm getting confussed at this.
08:01<jm_>debam: when does this happen?
08:02<debam>jm_:after booting
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08:02<debam>jm_:if i removes and configure newly n/w printer then it works till next boot
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08:05<jm_>debam: I have a feeling you have something else installed bseides debian's cups package - is the printer listed in /etc/cups/printers.conf? is its PPD in /etc/cups/pppd?
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08:09<debam>jm_, yes
08:11<jm_>debam: even after the reboot?
08:12<debam>jm_, yes
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08:13<jm_>debam: then find out where your cupds is started from
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08:14<debam>jm_ do you mean /etc/init.d or at boot time?
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08:16<jm_>debam: at boot time, does it start /usr/sbin/cupsd?
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08:19<jm_>debam: can you reproduce it if you start it later? did you look at what the difference is before it's started at boot and after configuring it?
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08:20<debam>jm_:i think it is not able fetch correct driver path of ppd or anyproblems regarding authintication
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08:28<jm_>debam: well?
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08:46<lucas_amorim>hello! I have just set up a 3G connection via wvdial using an USB Huawei modem on my eeepc900 running debian. Now, my carrier told me that if I transfer more than 1Gb they will automatically reduce my speed to 128kbps. So, I was wondering if there isn't a software which counts the amount of data I transfer through this specific network interface (ppp0)... Do you have any ideas??
08:47<[machine]>lucas: the ppp logs will tell you, not sure how you'd process them... awk maybe?
08:47<lucas_amorim>where are the ppp logs?
08:48<petemc>ifconfig shows tx bytes
08:48<petemc>things like nload etc will translate that to something more readable
08:48<E0x>exist applets that monitor
08:48<E0x>the transfer
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08:49<jm_>lucas_amorim: use tools like net-acct or pmacct, or even custom iptables accoutning rules
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08:50<lucas_amorim>E0x: yes I am using the network monitor, but I will have to manually add the amount to the previews total
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08:51<lucas_amorim>jm_: ok, I am gonna take a look at that
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09:45<[machine]>okay, so the email from click&pledge contains "confidential" stuff
09:46<[machine]>details about the person who made the donation
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09:47<[machine]>so.. i guess openvas-donations is the best way to go
09:47<[machine]>unless we have any better ideas?
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09:53<TakeABow>is there a command to list all the files/folders inside a dir?
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09:54<dr|z3d>He wants just the folders, not the files I guess..
09:54<dr|z3d>TakeABow: man ls
09:54<TakeABow>i dont understand manuals
09:55<TakeABow>and how do i quit out of them
09:55<dr|z3d>ls -d
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09:55<dr|z3d>TakeABow: Time you did, you lazy oaf. Q to exit them..
09:55*dr|z3d winks.
09:56<TakeABow>ls -d doesn't do anything =/
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09:57<dr|z3d>man ls does
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10:06<s3a>what's lenny's default kernel?
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10:07<s3a>o nvm
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10:13<silly42>anybody on freeruner?
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10:15<tghy>Hello there
10:16<tghy>I wanna ask some minor question about Debian lenny
10:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:16<tghy>Its about acpi. He wont turn off Debian automatically and only show me message: acpi_off called
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10:20<tghy>Im turn off my PC and after shutdown all programs, display show me "acpi_off called" and nothing happen
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10:20<tghy>I had this trouble earlier in Debian etch. After this im upgraded to lenny and this issue not fuxed
10:22<bugz>hey everyone... anyone around that has experience with Squid/routing and nat
10:22<bugz>i guess the problem isnt really with squid.. cuz it works. but routing seams to be an issue going over 2 different networks
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10:38<Stuckey>Hello I'm trying to compile some software on Lenny but I'm getting a make error that says "make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers02.6.26-1-686' make: *** [default] Error 2
10:38<Stuckey>I believe this may be caused by a lack of kernel headers, or by not having symbolic links set correctly; however I don't know how to fix this... Anyone know?
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10:39<Maulkin>Stuckey: pastebin the whole log. The error will be quite a bit above that
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10:40<Lenhix>Stuckey: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
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10:41<bugz>can anyone tell me if this (see webpage) has anything to do with the reason i can not RDP from one network (1.x to 3.x) but i can traceroute and ping etc...
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10:41<hdon>hi all. running etch here. is it time to upgrade?
10:41<Stuckey>Lenhix: says that it is already installed.
10:42<Lenhix>Well, it's not a kernel headers problem
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10:43<Stuckey>Lenhix: so it must be that I don't have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include pointing to it? How do I correct that?
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10:44<Lenhix>That path here is a directory, not a link.. I don't think it should be pointing to somewhere
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10:45<Lenhix>Although, it's full of links
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10:45<Maulkin># /home/stuckey/Desktop/cdemu-0.8/cdemu_core.c:176: error: ?const struct file_operations? has no member named ?sendfile?
10:46<Maulkin>That seems to be the first error
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10:48<Stuckey>Maulkin: what does that error mean?
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10:50<elena>my webcam on notebook doesn't works.. it was working with 8.04 but not with 8.10 :/
10:50<kelle>hi all
10:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:51<elena>ops wrong channel
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10:54<Maulkin>Stuckey: you may want to ask #c on
10:54<Maulkin>Stuckey: or the developers who you got the program from.
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10:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:01<Daemonz>If I install a vm gentoo on debian running on P4, how much slower can I expect the compilation to be?
11:02<Daemonz>What I am really asking, if I should attempt this at all, will it be useable at all
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11:02<dr|z3d>Sure, it'll be usable enough, Daemonz.. how much ram can you allocate to the VM, and what vm solution are you proposing to use?
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11:03<Daemonz>1gig, vmware
11:03<dr|z3d>Should be fine.
11:05<Daemonz>thankS. btw, what kernel are you running, I am going to re-compile with 2.6.28 because the one that came with debian was too generic
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11:06<dr|z3d>I'm running or somesuch I think. 2.6.28 bombs on my rig.
11:07<Daemonz>ok, thanks
11:08<hades__>Hi guys, i have a very annoying problem with exim4 --> i dont know how to set up auth on my smtp server, when i set up realy_domains to * i can connect to it with no auth
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11:08<hades__>Whay is the easy way to set up auth in exim4 ?
11:08<petemc>hades__: you set up auth in the authentication section
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11:09<hades__>petemc: Well, i tried to but i doesent work
11:09<petemc>what did you try?
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11:09<petemc>have a look at that
11:10<hades__>petemc: ok maybe it is gonna help if ill have some questions ill ask i have tried a few tutorials but every of them is different...
11:10<petemc>there are many different ways to do it
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11:12<hades__>petemc: i did that
11:12<hades__>petemc: a second ago
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11:12<hades__>petemc: i have made the file passwd but in my system is something like? passwd.client ?
11:12<petemc>passwd.client is for exim acting as a client
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11:13<Daemonz> 2.6.29-rc3 latest release.. can I get link to please
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11:13<hades__>petemc: maybe i should set up realy_domains properly ?
11:13<petemc>hades__: relay_domains is just a hostlist
11:13<petemc>that is unlikely to be your problem
11:14<hades__>petemc: well i did uncomment the lines plain_server etc. i did another file localmacros
11:14<hades__>i did MAIN_TLS_ENABLE = true
11:14<hades__>but if i do telnet localhost 25
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11:15<hades__>i hvae no info about TLS or auth
11:15<hades__>i completly dont know what is wrong
11:15<hades__>is there any other way to set up auth ?
11:16<petemc>did you do ehlo ?
11:16<petemc>and what did you see?
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11:16<hades__>size, pipelinig, starttls, help
11:17<hades__>what about auth ?
11:17<Daemonz>dr|z3d, I think you meant 2.2.27
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11:17<petemc>hades__: i wouldnt be using that to test
11:18<petemc>hades__: exim4 -bV , that tells where the config its using is, look there at the auth section
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11:19<hades__>petemc: configuration file is /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated --> should i look and edit this file ?
11:19<petemc>dont edit it
11:20<petemc>your changes would be everwritten
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11:20<hades__>so where should i look for auth ? in which config file ?
11:21<petemc>the clarify, look at that file to verify it has an auth section, if not, whatever you did in /etc/exim4/ wasnt right
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11:23<hades__>petemc: there are lines like begin authenticator plaintext and cram md5
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11:26<hades__>petemc: i just dont know how to force exim to auth
11:26<hades__>petemc: maybe i could send You some of mine configuation files ?
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11:27<hades__>petemc: Im trying to set it up from morning and im really tired ;)
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11:27<petemc>learning how a mta works will generally take more than an afternoon
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11:29<amjad>/etc/init.d/apache2 stop cannot stop apache
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11:29<amjad>is there any other way to stop it
11:30<Stuckey>Does anyone here know how to install cdemu in debian?
11:30<amjad>petemc, aren't they same?
11:30<Stuckey>Or how to make sure that "lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include points at the source of the current running kernel?
11:30<petemc>amjad: i dont believe so, init scripts use start-stop-daemon
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11:31<enouf>Stuckey: that /build dir should be a symlink to the current running kernel's headers
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11:31<Stuckey>enouf: what does this mean/how do I make a symlink to the current running kernel's headers?
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11:32<enouf>Stuckey: ~$ ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
11:32<enouf>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2008-09-07 09:28 /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
11:32<petemc>amjad: looks like it does use apache2ctl, what happen when you try to use apache2ctl on its own?
11:32<amjad>it just sits there
11:32<enouf>Stuckey: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
11:32<Stuckey>enouf: they're already installed.
11:32<enouf>not correctly
11:33<petemc>amjad: is there anything in the apache logs?
11:33<Stuckey>enouf: okay I'll run apt-get install again...
11:33<amjad>petemc, it stops at rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x8075fa0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x40091678}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0waitpid(-1,
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11:33<Stuckey>enouf: How do I find out how it is that linux-headers-`uname -r` isn't installed correctly and how do I fix it?
11:34<Stuckey>enouf: according to apt it's installed...
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11:34<amjad>petemc, strangly, apache logs timestamps are 2008
11:34<enouf>Stuckey: is that a debian kernel and debian headers? show me what ls -l outputs
11:34<amjad>nothing in there
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11:34<petemc>amjad: could be logging elsewhere
11:34<amjad>petemc, no
11:34<Stuckey>enouf: ls -l in which directory?
11:34<enouf>Stuckey: like i just did above
11:35<amjad>I am looking at the same place as set Custom_log
11:35<enouf>Stuckey: why do you think i did that?
11:35<petemc>amjad: you only have one vhost?
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11:35<amjad>the default one
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11:36<_hades>petemc: when i type exim4 -bP authenticators it reply plain_server cram_md5 plain login is that ok ?
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11:36<enouf>Stuckey: so, now; cd /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/build ; ls
11:36<Stuckey>enouf: "bash: cd: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory
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11:37<enouf>Stuckey: sorry
11:37<enouf>Stuckey: so, now; cd /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/include ; ls
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11:37<amjad>petemc, its old deb 3.3
11:38<amjad>2.4.27 kernel
11:38<enouf>oh, nice - sarge
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11:39<Lenhix>_hades: I'd say yes. Afaik, all those are auth mechanisms
11:39<zulu>what module do I need to load to have the /dev/fb framebuffer devices?
11:39<enouf>Stuckey: ok - all's well there
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11:40<amjad>petemc, looks like it's abug in init script
11:40<enouf>Stuckey: so, how about you tell us the real issue, cause it isn't what you thought
11:40<petemc>amjad: i thought you said apache2ctl on its own didnt work?
11:40<dpkg>hmm... framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it.
11:40<_hades>Lenhix: But, i still cant force exim to ask for login and pass ( auth ) ...
11:41<Stuckey>enouf: Why am I getting this error (
11:41<dpkg>well, fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution>
11:41<enouf>zulu: see that last one - and please /msg the bot
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11:42<simonrvn>yes, you do suck-o thugz
11:42*dr|z3d laughs.
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11:43<Lenhix>_hades: are you testing that from an IP/domain for which exim is configured as a relay? Afaik, when you act as a relay for some IP/network/domain, SMTP server won't ask for auth
11:43<petemc>_hades: when you looked at the auth section in /var/lib/.. , did it look exactly like the one you had edited in /etc/exim4/ ?
11:43<enouf>Stuckey: the real errors start on line 4, however, i'm not a c coder, so perhaps pastebinning that file's contents (/home/stuckey/Desktop/cdemu-0.8/cdemu_core.c) someone might notice something - otherwise, you'll want to ask cdemu specific people
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11:44<enouf>Stuckey: did you run configure prior? and where'd you get the source? i might try it here
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11:45<Stuckey>enouf: I didn't run configure prior to running make, as it didn't say to run configure prior to make in the "INSTALL" file that came with this program which I downloaded from
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11:46<enouf>Stuckey: aye .. ok - let me try to build it here ... hang a bit -- also, what you pasted, is that all the errors? none above those?
11:46<zulu>I'm tryin to make framebuffer work, here, made a hwinfo --framebuffer, without success, I have no /dev/fb/[01234], did I miss something?
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11:46<Stuckey>enouf: Yes, that's the entire console output.
11:47<enouf>zulu: hrm, you should - try adding the vga=791 option to the kernel line
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11:47<zulu>why 791?
11:47<enouf>Stuckey: have you tried make clean, and friends, and tried again? let me try
11:47<enouf>zulu: why not?
11:47<zulu>using hwinfo, the console prompt seems to display a few thing then disapear?@!
11:48<zulu>because it's said I should use the output of hwinfo, 791 is a standard one?
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11:48<enouf>zulu: yes, 791 == 1024x768x16
11:48<zulu>tryin that
11:48<Stuckey>enouf: No I haven't tried running "make clean" or anything else... just "make".
11:48<enouf>zulu: maybe your monitor is screwy? hwinfo --monitor ?
11:48<LL00>debian 4.0r6 = etchnhalf?
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11:49<enouf>zulu: hwinfo --help for a concise list
11:49<enouf>Stuckey: ok - give me a few
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11:49<OdyX>LL00: almost...
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11:49<zulu>this is the same nothing outputs.. with --monitor
11:49<OdyX>LL00: etchnhalf was an "installer" release too - with newer kernel
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11:50<OdyX>and updating an etch to r6 didn't give the etchnhalf kernel
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11:50<Stuckey>enouf: sure
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11:50<Lenhix>I'm getting this when running apt-get update: W: GPG error: etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2
11:50<simonrvn>it wouldn't either
11:51<enouf>Stuckey: show me which exact file/pkg you downloaded - i see 0.8 in yours, yet 1.1 is out?
11:51<enouf>zulu: try lshw as well - but i suspect other issues - how's the cable? how's the video card?
11:51<zulu>hey I have no /boot/grub/menu.lst (because I use grub 2 I suppose) how do I add vga=0x791
11:51<LL00>there is no etchnhalf iso CD or DVD ?
11:51<enouf>zulu: perhaps in /etc/default/grub.conf?
11:52<Lenhix>LL00: of course there is
11:52<enouf>or /etc/grub.* ?
11:52<zulu>enouf the hw is a hp xe2 omnibook, with a sis 810 graphic card
11:52<LL00>I saw only etchnhalf netinstall only, and cd, dvd for 40r6
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11:52<Lenhix>There's only a netinst CD for etchnhalf, but there is
11:52<zulu>I modprobed the /bla/bla/kernel/driver/video/sis
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11:53<LL00>nvm, I want to install etch to test ipv6
11:53<zulu>wow I have a /etc/grub.d with plenty of thing... oh my!
11:54<zulu>with 10_hurd in it
11:54<LL00>in vmware guest, with lenny no ipv6 :(
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11:54<LL00>vista as guest, ipv6 works
11:54<enouf>Stuckey: i only see 1.1 / 1.2 stuff available here .. where did you .. wait - which arch are you on?
11:54<LL00>global scope
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11:56<enouf>zulu: and no vga=791 is vga=0x3xx or something
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11:56<zulu>enouf no, I'm lost in grub2 manual...
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11:56<zulu>I don't understand where I should pass kernel argument
11:56<enouf>zulu: my point is hex != decimal :-)
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11:57<enouf>zulu: ask in #grub on - or look in /usr/share/doc/ or man grub<whatever>
11:57<zulu>enouf I'm not at that point (of doing hex) :)
11:57<Stuckey>enouf: I'm on x86
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11:58<enouf>zulu: here's a small table that uses hex there are others on google - also other ways to get resolutions, etc
11:58<Stuckey>enouf: ? there's enouf There's only 0.8, which is the current release... look at
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11:59<enouf>Stuckey: you;re in some 'legacy' section?
12:00<Stuckey>enouf: perhaps... I'll try to install the version you sent me a link to.
12:00<zulu>ok thx enouf
12:01<enouf>Stuckey: i notice there;s also a patch/diff file there for that version (not sure what that's all about) but start here maybe even try the svn co (check out)
12:01<enouf>Stuckey: heck, i might even be tempted to try the (made for) ubuntu .debs :-P
12:02<Stuckey>enouf: you sent me a link for the deamon... needed is the client.
12:02<Stuckey>enouf: wait... nevermind, I don't know what I needed.
12:02<Stuckey>Someone just told me to use cdemu for something...
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12:03<Stuckey>enouf: I'm trying to run a program in wine but it says it doesn't have the CD even though the Cd is mounted... someone on winehq told me to "look into a program called cdemu"
12:03<Stuckey>enouf: Honestly I don't know which versino of this thing I"m suppose to be trying to install.
12:04<enouf>Stuckey: i gotcha, i don't do wine, but ok - is the cd mounted via -o loop?
12:04<Stuckey>enouf: Yes
12:04<enouf>Stuckey: do you have a /home/username/D:drive or something that simulates the CD drive? (not sure how that all workd)
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12:05<Stuckey>enouf: No I don't think so
12:05<enouf>Stuckey: maybe you want to generate an ISO from the CD, and -o loop mount that - or don't mount the cd?
12:05<Stuckey>enouf: I just "mount -o loop *.iso /media/cdrom"
12:06<enouf>Stuckey: welp, it'll be a learning experience - try all methods ;-)
12:07<enouf>Stuckey: wait, do you actually have the CD? if not, maybe burn image the ISO and generate a real cd that you can then feed wine a /dev/name ?
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12:07<OdyX>look in the directory ~/.wine/dosdevices
12:08<OdyX>the various c: - d: - e: are symlink to the real partitions
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12:08<pusling>so. how do I install debian lenny ?
12:09<TakeABow>from what?
12:09<pusling>I have a blank machine
12:10<enouf>Stuckey: erm .. shouldn't that ISO show as being mounted on /dev/loopX (where X is 0-7) .. maybe feed the application that /dev/name ... /me mounts an ISO to see .. once again
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12:10<padski>pusling, see the link above ^^^
12:11<_hades>is there anyone who can help me configuring auth on exim4 ?
12:11<_hades>10 minutes
12:11<enouf>yep /mnt/p3/home/distro/gparted/gparted-live-0.3.8-1.iso on /mnt/point type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0)
12:11<_hades>after 12hours im really desperate
12:11<metalqga>i tried grub2 a day ago and it's conf file said DO NOT EDIT.... I will stick to grub for now...
12:12<petemc>_hades: you didnt answer my question
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12:12<_hades>petemc: which ?
12:12<enouf>Stuckey: see my output of mount above? it shows the ISO is mounted on /mnt/point and using /dev/loop0 as the loop block device
12:12<petemc>_hades: i asked you to compare the auth entry you uncommented in /etc/exim4/ to what exim was using in /var/lib/ ...
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12:15<_hades>petemc: i did compare and it looks ok in /var/lib i have entires about auth
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12:15<petemc>_hades: is it the same?
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12:16<_hades>petemc: please sepcify what should i look for because there are unhashed entires in /etc/ and there are lines about auth in /var/lib
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12:17<petemc>_hades: i pointed you to a guide, you said "yes, ive done that"
12:17<_hades>petemc: because i did but it still doesent work :(
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12:18<petemc>i dont think i can help you
12:18<petemc>good luck!
12:18<pusling>padski: I can't seem to find the right files and a simple howto. I got a usb disk ...
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12:21<enouf>pusling: /msg dpkg i-g
12:21<enouf>pusling: /msg dpkg d-i
12:21<padski>pusling, what arch ?
12:21<padski>anyway ...
12:21<padski>!lenny install
12:21<dpkg>To install testing, see
12:22<enouf>Stuckey: i want updates/progress reports! (not ste-by-step, but ;-))
12:22<pusling>padski: I guess it is a i386
12:22<jrabbit>Does the netinstall for powerpc include mac specific wifi drivers?
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12:24<padski>pusling, and maybe this:
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12:24<enouf>jrabbit: not sure - please see the powerpc installation guide - also look on debian-powerpc mailing list, and ask #debianppc here and on
12:25<jrabbit>mmm thanks
12:26<enouf>jgarvey: if your powerpc has a BCM chip for wifi, might need bcm43xx-fwcutter - or - bcm43-fwcutter - check also and /msg dpkg bcm43xx-fwcutter ... etc
12:26<enouf>jrabbit: i meant you, not jgarvey (apologies)
12:26<jrabbit>I tihnk it's atheros
12:26<enouf>er, i think the newer chips use b43... not bcm43...
12:26<jrabbit>I can check before I install.
12:26<pusling>hmm... how do I see (before booting in the installer) if the processor is 64bit capabale_?
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12:27<enouf>pusling: well - no other OS? cpu flags would tell you - make/model on google ;-)
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12:27<enouf>any decent livecd boot ;-)
12:27<koollman>pusling: have a look at /proc/cpuinfo , flag 'lm'
12:27<koollman>or find out the processor type, and google it
12:29<pusling>it's a core solo cpu, it looks like
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12:31<koollman>pusling: oh, yes. all the 'core' serie is x86-64, I think
12:31<enouf>jrabbit: seems like a typical recent thread about wifi on a powerbook g4
12:32<enouf>koollman: nope
12:32<OdyX>koollman: I'm not certain at all..
12:32<enouf>koollman: the core2 .. yes
12:32<enouf>many of the Yonah/Merom were not (early versions - 'core' models)
12:33<jrabbit>enouf: I was more intrested in during install :)
12:33<jrabbit>I'm pretty sure I can hack it on if it doesn't work
12:33<OdyX>pusling: the only reliable way is $ grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo
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12:34<simonrvn>jrabbit: would be nice if you stuck to 1 channel...
12:35<enouf>simonrvn: somewhat my fault i guess - perhaps
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12:35<OdyX>pusling: try to read extensively
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12:36<simonrvn>enouf: no worries
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12:37<jrabbit>simonrvn: it'd be nice if there were only one channel ;)
12:37<Stuckey>enouf: I have a .iso file
12:37<simonrvn>would be too much traffic
12:39<Stuckey>enouf: How do I tell which /dev/loop* it's mounted to?
12:40<Stuckey>Thanks simonrvn
12:40<fxiny>Stuckey: hahaha all porbs are yours ;)
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12:40<Stuckey>What are porbs?
12:40<simonrvn>if it's mounted it'll likely show up there... if not, cat /proc/mounts
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12:41<simonrvn>probs i think
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12:41<fxiny>Stuckey: enouf slang
12:41<Stuckey>fxiny: ? I don't understand
12:42<fxiny>Stuckey: strange , you have so many :P
12:42<fxiny>probs !
12:42<Stuckey>fxiny: Oh like problems.
12:42<Stuckey>fxiny: What, you've never problems?
12:42<pusling>koollman: it was not a 64 bit.
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12:43<fxiny>Stuckey: me ? only when playing serious sam :P
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12:43<Stuckey>fxiny: Well I'm trying to play Myst, and therewith having problems.
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12:44<fxiny>Stuckey: myst ? lovely goth game
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12:44<fxiny>Stuckey: obvioulsy i have all myst/riven games
12:44<Stuckey>fxiny: No, the one by Cyan...
12:45<fxiny>i know it
12:45<Stuckey>fxiny: Oh, you play it on Debian?
12:45<metalqga>i played it a few weeks ago (but not without some help from a walktru)
12:45<metalqga>realmyst works nice in wine
12:45<fxiny>Stuckey: ask metalqga , he knows how
12:45<fxiny>seen ?
12:45<Stuckey>I've taken it up as my project... to play it in linux.
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12:47<hdon>hey what's that vector drawing program?
12:47<hdon>ah inkscape
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12:47<Stuckey>metalqga: have you played any of the other myst games in wine/linux?
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12:48<fxiny>Stuckey: he's the man . ask :)
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12:57<tghy1>Hello there
12:58<tghy1>Its about acpi. He wont turn off Debian automatically and only show me message: acpi_off called
12:58<tghy1>Im turn off my PC and after shutdown all programs, display show me "acpi_off called" and nothing happen
12:58<tghy1>I had this trouble earlier in Debian etch. After this im upgraded to lenny and this issue not fuxed
12:58<enouf>heh, /me just noticed cdemu pkgs made for Debian/Sid
12:58<simonrvn>have acpid installed and running?
12:58<tghy1>I have process in ps aux named acpid
12:58<enouf>tghy1: are acpi-support-* installed?
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12:59<Lemonzest>quick question, does lenny suspend/hibernate by default? or will i have to pick the laptop task (i have a desktop system)
12:59<enouf>tghy1: is that a laptop? if so, which one? also - show us "cat /proc/cmdline"
12:59<tghy1>That isnt laptop
13:00<enouf>Lemonzest: i think there are a few ways, from gnome-power-*, to kpowersave, to s2disk/s2ram, hibernate, powernowd, etc
13:00<enouf>tghy1: architecture and CPU model are?
13:00<Lemonzest>i used a livecd a few days ago, and my power buttons/sleep worked fine
13:01<Lemonzest>(Lenny LiveCD dated the 20/12/2008)
13:01<tghy1>enouf: acpi-support ISNT installed
13:01<tghy1>i686 intel pentium 4
13:02<enouf>tghy1: does ~$ 'apt-cache search acpi-support' return -> acpi-support and acpi-support-base ?
13:02<Lemonzest>my usb keyboard mouse dint wake it up (spose coz usb ports go sleep?) but my power light glowed and hitting power button woke it up in an instant
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13:03<tghy1>enouf: yes
13:03<enouf>tghy1: i would install those 2 atleast - apt-get update ; apt-get install acpi-support acpi-support-base (or use aptitude, or whatever)
13:05<tghy1>enouf: installed
13:05<enouf>tghy1: [repeated] - show us "cat /proc/cmdline" <-- important, if you have a kernel line with acpi=off, nothing is going to work acpi related
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13:05<tghy1>enouf: only my vga=0x307 and ro options
13:06<enouf>tghy1: also show us 'cat /proc/version'
13:06<enouf>tghy1: grep -i ACPI /var/log/dmesg
13:06<enouf>tghy1: grep -i ACPI /var/log/dmesg | wc -l
13:07<tghy1>return: 79
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13:08<enouf>tghy1: well - ensure no other power management pkgs are getting in the way - i guess reboot to test - hit those man pages and see the /usr/share/doc/ entries shown when you do "dpkg -L <pkgname">
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13:09<tghy1>i didnt any dpkg -L
13:09<tghy1>only reconfigure
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13:10<simonrvn>-L just gives you the content of the package....
13:10<simonrvn>man dpkg
13:10<enouf>tghy1: man dpkg (see what -L does) ; if you install the configure-debian pkg, you can see which pkgs are able to be reconfigured via "dpkg-reconfigure <pkname>"
13:11<tghy1>I reboot?
13:11*enouf makes some french toast and bacon ;-)
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13:12<fxiny>enouf: a jumping toast ?
13:12<Danuk-men>se ?
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13:14<tghy>i rebooted. what next?
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13:16<simonrvn>turn it off, then walk away. you're done. :P
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13:26<enouf>simonrvn: heh :-P
13:26<Daemonz>I am using the following tutorial to compile kernel:
13:27<enouf>fxiny: yep - jumped right off the griddle into my mouth :-)
13:27<Daemonz>I am stuck at mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28 2.6.28
13:27<enouf>why not use mkinitramfs? what's with yaird?
13:27<Daemonz>First of all, I don't have an initrd.img-2.6.28 in /boot
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13:27<enouf>also use make-kpkg
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13:28<Daemonz>thanks, will ready
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13:28<fxiny>enouf: yes ? must be a lemming then ;)
13:29<enouf>fxiny: sleeves up! ..
13:29*enouf runs
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13:29<Wooly>hey guys, does anyone have any experience with mdadm? I had some trouble growing my RAID, and I get a kernel panic each time I boot
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13:29<fxiny>enouf: wt4x ! have you seen ? he said 7up is good ! wt4x !
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13:30<fxiny>enouf: 7up is the same s* wista !
13:30<enouf>fxiny: hat's a very 'sprite'(ly) comment :-P
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13:30<Daemonz>but why don't i have initrd.img in /boot/?
13:30<fxiny>enouf: spriteley ? hahahah nice one :)
13:30<enouf>Daemonz: make-kpkg ..... --initrd
13:31<enouf>Daemonz: /msg dpkg kernel-package
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13:31<Daemonz> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28 2.6.28 i did this (seemed to work)
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13:31<enouf>Daemonz: it gets generated/built/installed upon installation of .deb from make-kpkg
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13:32<enouf>Daemonz: that'll only work if you previously used make-kpkg - which you never mentioned anything about
13:32<fxiny>unp adds at least a week to my life
13:32<enouf>well - granted, i didn't visit your howtoforge url either
13:33<Daemonz>enouf, I tried installing kernel the ubuntu way but I could never find the .deb files in /usr/src.. so i went the reg. way
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13:33<enouf>Daemonz: you shouldn't build in there anyway - and this ain't #ubuntu :-P
13:33<Daemonz>error: kernel panic - not syncing vfs
13:33<Daemonz>no i mean debian
13:34<enouf>no / FStype support, or disk controller , or LVM isn't on /boot, or ..
13:34<fxiny>we have unforgiven eys :P
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13:34<enouf>fxiny: `!!
13:34<fxiny>enouf: heheeh , i'm in a good mood ;)
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13:35<mee>hi everyone. i can't get the flash plugin to work with konqueror in kde4.
13:35<enouf>fxiny: me too - but you folks tire me out .. i need another nap! :-p
13:35<mee>ive tried the free and nonfree plugins and had konqueror scan the directories for each
13:35<fxiny>enouf: blame your time zone :)
13:35<Daemonz>ah, i see.. np, works good
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13:36<Daemonz>Linux debian 2.6.28 #1 SMP Mon Feb 2 12:59:27 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux *woot
13:36<fxiny>whatìs that ? sid ?
13:36<Houston>sorry guys not sure if im in the right channel or not but im having a problem with my ubuntu, was looking for some advice
13:36<fxiny>is 2.6.28 in sid ?
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13:38<fxiny>Houston: wrong chan , join freenode #ubunto
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13:38<Daemonz>lol, you guys trad ubuntu like it's totally different system
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13:38<Daemonz>Same as debian but bloated to hell
13:38<fxiny>it is , this is the land of the myth
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13:40<enouf>fxiny: go back into -offtopic !
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13:41<enouf>fxiny: and no, .26 is in sid§ion=all
13:41<Daemonz>well this is odd, i just logged in and it's not loading gnome desktop
13:41<fxiny>enouf: good , that means 28 is not ripe enough
13:42<Wooly>can anyone help with the mdadm issue, "EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock" which is killing my boot
13:42<enouf>fxiny: sid/lenny == 'slushy' at this point ;-)
13:42<dpkg>i heard slushy is when a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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13:43<fxiny>enouf: i never compile kernels since a preemtive woody kernel , i like .deb kernels . easy life
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13:44<enouf>fxiny: you're easy like ... sunday morning? :-)
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13:45<fxiny>enouf: debian compiles for me and package , on my rusty PII compiling a kernel is a pain , can't run anything . no mem
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13:46<fxiny>enouf: and on my fat fast box i don't feel for compiling kernels , i have more to do
13:46<enouf>fxiny: ofcourse ;-)
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13:47<fxiny>enouf: heheh, still building my lenny , months but i don't care : etch works just fine on my hardware
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13:48<enouf>fxiny: it takes a long time to create a masterpiece!
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13:49<fxiny>enouf: yes ! and you know ? there is emacs org-mode in lenny : f* great
13:50<fxiny>enouf: seen ? debian package and i (user) play with
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13:50<Daemonz>Is it normal to re-compile kernel as soon as you install debian? so it would work better with your hardware? or is the generic built good enough?
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13:51<fxiny>i consider debian packaged kernel a nice way to share cpu power
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13:52<fxiny>Daemonz: i did a preempive kernel in woody . wasn't that faster . of course i'm talking desktop
13:53<fxiny>to me a kernel is an amazing piece of software but just a package like mutt
13:53<Daemonz>yeah, i guess I would really feel the difference on a less powerful system. I am working with P4 256mb cache 1.5gig ram
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13:54<Daemonz>I want to install a vm, put windows 7 on that for testing. run a css server and asterisk all on 1 machine, think it can handle all this?
13:54<nosklo>wow 256mb cache
13:54<Daemonz>i know :( it's horrible
13:54<RimFrost>hi ive just installed Lenny DI rc2 amd64 and when i installed the nvidia glx driver from Synaptic and it went fine. But however when i was about to config it by : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i could not pick nvidia from the list? This driver list wasnt even there?
13:54<nosklo>Oh I see.
13:54<fxiny>7up is crap like winsta
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13:55<RimFrost>how do i make the driver work so it loads and i get 3D?
13:55<fxiny>i'm not fool : they are just doing a "financial maquillage"
13:55<fxiny>that's what they are after
13:56<Daemonz>i hope it's able to run all this.. I wont use windows 7 that often..
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13:58<fxiny>whatever they do , they will never get closer to the level of freedom linux offers to non-guru users like me
13:58<fxiny>i'm still amazed by the things i do , every f* day
13:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
13:59<enouf>Daemonz: i didn't realize there were even p4s with only 256K l2cache .. heh, even my p2 has 512 :-P
13:59<goodger>RimFrost: need any help with those instructions?
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13:59<enouf>must be some celery fxiny :-)
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13:59<user1>hi everyone
13:59<RimFrost>goodger: yes please friend
14:00<goodger>RimFrost: specifically?
14:00<RimFrost>goodger: that would be great. this is my first time with Debian
14:00<goodger>RimFrost: what specific help do you need with the instructions?
14:00<enouf>RimFrost: drxx is not avail in lenny for Video config and such - man xorg.conf and edit to taste - also nvidia-xconfig you might want, and nvidia-settings?
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14:02<user1>intel extreme, the one with the 82845G processor
14:02<enouf>RimFrost: really though, i think all you need is (similar to) "Driver nvidia" in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf though
14:02<user1>debian etch drivers, help or generally pointing me in the right direction
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14:03<RimFrost>nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings i have installed
14:03<fxiny>enouf: i hope emacs org-mode will help me organizing . my todo list is too long
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14:04<enouf>RimFrost: did you build and install the kernel module yet?
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14:04<enouf>fxiny: i hope so - i also need a hand organizing ;-)
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14:05<user1>it looks like the drivers already added, but the resolution is set to its lowest, the xorg.conf file shows the resolution options but nothing at which ones are used as default
14:05<fxiny>enouf: i have dowloaded the manual and the video talk
14:05<RimFrost>my xorg.conf looks like this: ??
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14:06<enouf>RimFrost: nvidia-glx are the userland libraries .. "cat /proc/version"
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14:06<fxiny>enouf: if i'm not wrong is a french astromomer google something talk , i'll watch over the weekend
14:06<user1>ur using generic video drivers, RimFrost
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14:06<RimFrost>and that means?
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14:07<user1>ur nvidia drivers aren't registered, i think
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14:07<user1>what nvidia card do u have?
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14:08<RimFrost>how do i register them? Because i installed: NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 and NVIDIA binary kernel module common files and NVIDIA binary kernel module source and finally the nvidia glx binary xorg driver all from Synaptic
14:09<user1>i could of sworn that this graphics card did more then 1024x768
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14:09<user1>not sure, i don't have a nvidia card
14:09<user1>i would expect that pointing to it in a configuration file would be expected
14:10<user1>binaries are good, u can check that off ur list
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14:10<user1>configuration files that u need are probably the xorg.conf file
14:11<user1>adding them to the module section of ur xorg.conf file, maybe
14:11<user1>where's the debian helpers, the ones that get to use that what_are_they_doing function
14:12<user1>i loved that thing when i used to be a mod
14:12<RimFrost>weird hehe i just sat and thought by add them to the xorg.conf myself...
14:12<goodger>RimFrost: just substitute nv for nvidia in said file, you'll be fine
14:12<user1>any IP, cross referenced around all the servers and protocols, if ur dl'in porn, it will tell u
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14:14<RimFrost>goodger: but if you look at: nv isnt there at all?
14:14<goodger>this is where we find out you're using an ATI card
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14:14<goodger>let's see
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14:15<user1>he's missing the load module section goodger
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14:15<goodger>put Driver\t\t"nvidia" [\t = tab character] under Device
14:16<goodger>indented appropriately
14:16<goodger>user1: no such section exists on my box
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14:16<user1>my one does
14:16<goodger>are you using lenny?
14:16<user1>but this is my first time on debian
14:16<user1>no etch
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14:17<goodger>well then
14:17<user1>oh my bad
14:17<user1>u guys are using lenny
14:17<RimFrost>this is Lenny i use yes
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14:17<goodger>RimFrost: so put the driver line under the device section as I said
14:17<user1>do u know that breezy badger, the name was thought up by a very attractive girl that hung out with the orginal creator
14:18<goodger>breezy badger? I vaguely remember that
14:18<goodger>however, that is not debian...
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14:18<RimFrost>ok this? Driver\t\t"nvidia" [\t = tab character] under Device section?
14:18<Kalleos>is there a difference between "cp -a /etc /etc-backup" and "cp -a /etc/* /etc-backup"?
14:18<user1>years ago, over 10 years, its been awhile and i'm sorry i left
14:18<goodger>RimFrost: you're meant to replace \t with a tab character
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14:18<jrabbit>I can't seem to get this laptop to bood to this CD?
14:19<jrabbit>It mounts fine
14:19<jrabbit>but on boot it can't find it
14:19<jrabbit>Do I need to isntall yaboot BEFORE I install debian/ppc?
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14:19<kop>Kalleos : Yes, the first copies the directory too.
14:19<goodger>Kalleos: I don't believe so. I'd use the latter, though
14:19<goodger>there you go
14:20<kop>Kalleos : Actually, it depends on whether /etc-backup exists already or not.
14:20<goodger>IIRC, breezy badger was one of the good ubuntu versions
14:20<Kalleos>it doesnt
14:21<user1>ubuntu was put together to give a good os for 3rd world countries, mircocrap wasn't gonna give it for free
14:21<RimFrost>what about Load "glx" under Module and Driver "nvidia"? under Device section
14:22<kop>Kalleos: If it does not, then the first creates it and the second won't work.
14:22<goodger>user1: debian was already a perfectly good OS for third-world countries...
14:23<goodger>RimFrost: you can ignore the module section
14:23<goodger>RimFrost: the modern X server loads all modules as required
14:23<Kalleos>kop: because the commands are 2 different command usage, yes?
14:23<goodger>RimFrost: you may wish to run "modprobe nvidia" and then "dpkg-reconfigure xorg--------"
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14:24<user1>yeah, but what good is it to xp users, that was the problem, getting kids to learn an OS that they can learn from and more to a commerical envirnoment
14:24<mee>what constitutes an OS for a 3rd world country?
14:24<kop>Kalleos : They represent 2 of the 3 different syntaxes at the top of man cp, yes.
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14:24<user1>one thats free
14:24<RimFrost>thats where the funny part started it wasnt any drivers at all displayed when i first ran dpkg-reconfigure xorg
14:24<goodger>RimFrost: "modprobe nvidia" may cause it to show the nvidia driver in the list
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14:25<RimFrost>the driver list wasnt there but yes ok i add the line "nvidia" under Device section
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14:25<kop>Kalleos : You probably want to read the info pages on cp & friends. I'd recommend just looking at because they are in non-free and not installed by default.
14:26<goodger>RimFrost: and then restart xorg by logging out :)
14:26<user1>open office is a prime example, the end user can still create documents, but when asked to do the same thing in windows, they wouldn't know some of the interfaces
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14:26<Kalleos>"cp -a /etc /etc-backup" must be the syntax "cp [OPTION]... [-T] SOURCE DEST" then
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14:26<goodger>user1: I don't understand your point. you're saying that ubuntu is good because it trains people to use windows?
14:26<kop>Kalleos : The * is expanded by the shell into mutiple file names and the result passed to cp.
14:27<Kalleos>I knoe
14:27<user1>no, but funny
14:27<RimFrost>shall i remove the line: Identifier "Configured Video Device" under Device before doing it?
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14:27<Kalleos>so wasnt my assumption right?
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14:27<goodger>RimFrost: no
14:28<user1>i was saying that charity organisations and third world schools couldn't afford the hardware, let alone the software
14:28<kop>Kalleos : Yes. (If I'm following the thread right.)
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14:28<RimFrost>i just put Driver "nvidia" under it then
14:28<Kalleos>k, ty for helping my understanding skills
14:28<goodger>RimFrost: make sure it's indented properly [two tabs]
14:29<goodger>user1: indeed, but that doesn't justify ubuntu existing. we should probably talk about this in #debian-offtopic
14:29<kop>Kalleos : You have to be careful about pre-existing directories, if a directory exists it'll be the place to put things, otherwise it'll just be the name of the copied thing.
14:29<Stuckey_>I just ran wine on a program, then program asked for a CD and then I hit cancel, then the program exited and my x-server session is frozen... there's like four desktops on the screen but I can't click anything...
14:29<user1>my bad
14:29<Stuckey_>How can I recover my session?
14:29<user1>okay, i'm still new to this
14:29<goodger>Stuckey_: four desktops on the screen? :S
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14:30<Stuckey_>goodger: Yeah it's like 2 side by side on the top, and then 2 on the bottom side by side... but it's just the background image that I can see... I can't see menu bars or anything. And none of them do anything, it's just the background picture.
14:30<Stuckey_>goodger: I'm looking for a way to recover this session... or re-set it or whatever...
14:31<goodger>Stuckey_: to reset it, hit altgr-sysrq-K
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14:31<RimFrost>like this?
14:31<s_i_m>Stuckey_, try ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X. your open X clients will be killed too
14:31<goodger>RimFrost: perfect. now save it and log out and in
14:31<Stuckey_>goodger: I don't have this command "altgr-sysrq-K"
14:31<kop>Kalleos : (However, trailing slashes have strange effects -- as mandated by the Posix standard. Hence --ignore-trailing-slashes. See the info pages.
14:32<goodger>Stuckey_: you're meant to press altgr, sysrq, and K together
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14:32<goodger>you can also press ctrl-alt-backspace if Xorg is still working, as s_i_m says
14:32<Stuckey_>s_i_m: is there a way to log the session out? I don't want to force close any programs (there are some which are still runnig) if I don't have to.
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14:32<Stuckey_>goodger: the tty7 is completely non-responsive.
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14:33<goodger>Stuckey_: right, then press altgr-sysrq-K
14:33<kop>Stuckey_ : How about killing wine from a vt?
14:33<goodger>that kills X on the kernel level
14:33<Stuckey_>kop: good idea...
14:33<s_i_m>Stuckey_, ctrl-alt-F1 to the console and then ps aux and pkill
14:33<goodger>I doubt wine is still running...
14:33<Stuckey_>goodger: i'm going to check that
14:33<goodger>good idea
14:33<Stuckey_>there's something called wineserver running.
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14:34<goodger>kill that :)
14:34<goodger>RimFrost: working?
14:34<Stuckey_>kill -INT is the command which asks a program to close nicley... right?
14:34<RimFrost>yes a nvidia logo came up on the screen when i logged in
14:35<goodger>RimFrost: congratulations, you now have full hardware acceleration. and an unremovable nvidia logo
14:35<RimFrost>hehe thanks
14:35<RimFrost>for all the help
14:35<Daemonz>ati all the way
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14:36<goodger>RimFrost: that's ok
14:36<goodger>Daemonz: no.
14:36<Stuckey_>goodger: okay I killed it but now tty7 is just blank...
14:36<redrama-gooos> Redrama open 5on5 cup
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14:36<goodger>Stuckey_: you will need to start your login manager as root, then
14:36<s_i_m>goodger, RimFrost why unremovable? Option "NoLogo" "On" and that is it.
14:36<Daemonz>goodger, I have Radeon 9200
14:37<goodger>s_i_m: ah. wasn't aware of that --- thanks
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14:38<RimFrost>i dont care about the logo feels safe to have it in a way, then you know the driver is loaded
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14:39<s_i_m>RimFrost, i disable it because i do not like when my screen flicker
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14:39<BlueG>I am curious about the integration of proactive security solutions like PaX, PIE, SSP in Debian.
14:40<s_i_m>i also disable the default X background
14:40<RimFrost>my screen doesnt flicker
14:40<s_i_m>CRT =)
14:40<goodger>LCDs can still flicker
14:41<dkr>BlueG: proactive security means doing something to block access when bad behavior detected?
14:41<RimFrost>yeah i had that problem in Ubuntu
14:41<RimFrost>but i got tierd of Ubuntu, wanted to learn more about Linux and i thought that Debian was a good choise to learn from
14:42<goodger>well, ubuntu is pretty similar to debian, being based on debian
14:42<BlueG>dkr: meaning doing something to prevent the exploit before the bug is ever detected. Things like ASLR and SSP
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14:42<goodger>wb Stuckey
14:43<RimFrost>yes many distros are based on Debian, Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Mempis and so on
14:43<dkr>BlueG: oh, like stack protection. I am unfamiliar with the acronyms, :)
14:43<BlueG>dkr: right :-)
14:43<kop>BlueG : Dunno if there's a debian kernel channel, but if so they probably know more. (There's also a #debian on freenode.)
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14:49<beat>I know you guys probably get this question a lot but here it goes anyway. I've been using Ubuntu for some time now should I try Debian? If so anything helpful I should read?
14:49<goodger>I recommend you do
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14:50<goodger>I'm not sure there's anything specific you should know... except that running Testing is probably a better option for a desktop than Stable in my experience
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14:52<s_i_m>beat, there is an installation guide and a survival guide.
14:52<s_i_m>the last one is here
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14:53<beat>goodger: Yes I know there packages on stable are kind of outdated.
14:53<noflash>!tell beat -about why debian
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14:53<beat>s_i_m: the installation manual is the one on the official debian site?
14:53<noflash>beat, is your friend ;)
14:54<beat>Okay thank you I'll make sure to read it.
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14:54<beat>I'm using backports on Ubuntu and I know there are also backports on Debian. Do you guys recommend using it?
14:54<BlueG>!tell BlueG -about why debian
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14:55<s_i_m>beat, if you install lenny, then no
14:55<Daemonz>hey guys, i just got disconnected from an ssh session while running apt-get ... is here a way to see what's going on at this time? I forgot to screen it
14:56<beat>s_i_m: is lenny the "beta" release?
14:56<s_i_m>Daemonz, it was killed
14:56<Daemonz>it wasn't i see it in top
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14:56<xlotlu>Daemonz: it's likely to get killed very soon
14:56<Daemonz>oh nvm
14:56<Daemonz>heh, so just apt-get --resume
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14:57<Supaplex>in screen ;)
14:57<s_i_m>beat, it is called "testing". yes, it is somewhat like beta
14:57<s_i_m>but now lenny is frozen and very solid
14:57<Supaplex>it's more like a release candidate. sid is beta, as it's untested.
14:57<beat>Basically by using the testing repos I'll be using lenny right?
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14:58<goodger>beat: Lenny is Testing at the moment. soon it will be Stable, and then Etch will be Oldstable and Squeeze will be created from Unstable to be the new Testing. you can use Etch, Lenny, Stable, Testing or Unstable. I recommend Testing
14:58<s_i_m>Supaplex, untested is usually named "alpha" ;-P
14:58<Supaplex>beat: yes. you should follow lenny, because the day lenny releases the new testing may fubar your box before you catch on :P
14:58<goodger>beat: Stable is tested for many months, Testing is tested for a minimum of ten days. Unstable is untested
14:59<xlotlu>but hey, everybody markets untested as RC
14:59<goodger>supaplex: that's very very unlikely considering the ten-day test period
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14:59<Supaplex>s/the day/eventually/
14:59<beat>Stable packages tend to be a bit old (from what I have read) and I'm going to use it on a Desktop so I guess testing would be more adequate for me.
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14:59<s_i_m>beat, for sure
15:00<goodger>beat: looks good
15:00<beat>I have downloaded this is image, debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso
15:01<Daemonz>Does it really matter? i mean if i have lenny, or etch.. i can use my fav. kernel and use the package manager debian offers
15:01<goodger>beat: that's stable
15:01<goodger>if you want testing you have to use an installer image
15:01<beat>Yeh I downloaded before I got here.
15:01<s_i_m>beat, that's etch.
15:01<goodger>you can, of course, upgrade to testing from etch
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15:02<beat>heh I guess that's just a waste of bandwidth :p
15:02<goodger>not really
15:02<goodger>if you've already downloaded the etch ISO
15:03<goodger>oh, wait
15:03<goodger>that's a netinst
15:03<beat>u were refering too, ?
15:03<beat>heh damn irssi cuts long phrases :O
15:03<goodger>here's a lenny netinst
15:04<s_i_m>beat, if your hardware is not too new you can try with that etch 4.0r6 netinstall-CD
15:04<beat>s_i_m: is that the installation manual you were refering too?
15:04<beat>it is kind of new.
15:04<beat>I'll download that image goodger said
15:04<goodger>"new" meaning >2007
15:04<goodger>I think
15:04<goodger>possibly =>2006
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15:05<user1>whats the command to find out the title of a CD rom?
15:05*Supaplex <3's mini.iso
15:05<beat>I bought it in 2008
15:05<goodger>beat: righto. best use the iso I linked to though, unless you get a 404
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15:06<beat>goodger: Yes I did get a 404
15:06<beat>I'll look for it myself though ;)
15:07<goodger>you could just upgrade from etch, but that tends to be less efficient
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15:08<divide_by>hello. I am having troubles to download the debian-installer cds. is there a problem in the server?... any mirrors I could try?
15:08<jrabbit>its pretty slow
15:08<jrabbit>theres a list of mirrors on the site
15:08<jrabbit>you mgiht want to use your browsers search function it's not in an obvious place
15:10<s_i_m>or you can try with bittorrent
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15:10<divide_by>you mean mirrors for debian-installer? I could only find for etch...
15:11<divide_by>bittorrent is not working, but I am not sure if it is blocked in my network
15:11<divide_by>well, the http link started to work again now...
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15:12<And1>Hey folks... anyone else experiences problems with line-drawing in urxvt? - Lines like in tree or ncmpc(pp) sometimes just disappear when I alt-tab through my opened windows.
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15:12<DanC82>Having trouble with sysklogd, trying to restart demon... after issuing command "sudo /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" get reply "sudo: unable to execute /etc/init.d/sysklogd: No such file or directory". Even though "ls -l" in /etc/init.d shows file is present in directory.
15:12<DanC82>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 541 2006-04-06 20:58 sudo
15:12<DanC82>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2074 2009-02-02 17:22 sysklogd
15:12<DanC82>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8178 2006-12-19 10:21 udev
15:13<DanC82>any ideas?
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15:14<beat>goodger: I'm still getting 404 from that link and I wasn't able to find another mirror.
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15:16<Kalleos>what is the pendant of /etc/sysconfig in debian?
15:16<mnerd>hello all
15:16<mnerd>what is that file for?
15:16<Kalleos>i mean sysconfig/
15:17<padski>pendant ?
15:17<Kalleos>just forget it
15:17<weasel>Kalleos: what do you want to do?
15:17<goodger>beat: I see, one moment
15:17<divide_by>the torrent went ok in another network... see you!
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15:17<s_i_m>DanC82, ls -l /usr/bin/sudo ?
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15:17<mnerd>any network experts here?
15:18<Guest96>who can tell me how to connect to the gadugadu comunicator
15:18<mnerd>need help in routing trouble
15:18<padski>mnerd, apt-file find /etc/rc
15:18<DanC82>s_i_m, -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91700 2006-04-15 08:39 /usr/bin/sudo
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15:19<mnerd>where are people discussing routing and vpn setups?
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15:19<goodger>Guest96: gadugadu is supported by Pidgin and others
15:19<mnerd>i'm irc n00b
15:19<weasel>mnerd: how about you start by asking a question
15:19<petemc>routing in #lartc
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15:19<petemc>advanced routing, anyway
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15:20<goodger>beat: I am continuing to look for an equivalent file
15:20<beat>Yes me too.
15:20<mnerd>i try to make a short question
15:20<mnerd>its confusing to me at moment
15:20<weasel>goodger: what are you trying to do?
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15:21<mnerd>external nterface is WAN with multiple ip adresses in /29 net
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15:21<mnerd>internal 1 is nat routing
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15:21<mnerd>internal 2 should be vpn routing
15:21<beat>weasel: he's trying to find a link for debian-Lenny-i386-netinst.iso
15:21<goodger>weasel: find a lenny netinst iso --- the website is 404ing
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15:21<mnerd>but vpn router inside is dlink hw vpn
15:21<goodger>beat: I found it. the link on the website was wrong
15:21<beat>lol timing
15:21<mnerd>and needs public available address
15:21<beat>ah release candidate 2
15:21<weasel>goodger: like ?
15:22<mnerd>do i need routing or bridging, if possible?
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15:22<Daemonz>how can i disable a usb device?
15:22<goodger>weasel: like specifically
15:22<weasel>mnerd: you didn't tell us where the problem was?
15:22<weasel>mnerd: or is this a "I don't know anything, please hold my hand" call?
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15:24<mnerd>i tried a switch at the WAN link with all ports inside /29 subnet #1 wan #2 internal linux router: ext iface #3 dlink hw vpn ext iface
15:24<mnerd>didnt work
15:24<mnerd>50% loss
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15:25<mnerd>is the explanatian of the problem sufficient? or im too confused?
15:25<weasel>it's pretty unclear.
15:25<padski>mnerd, and this has what to do with debian ?
15:25<mnerd>linux router is debian, and i love debian since hamm
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15:25<weasel>you should describe your problem more precisely, and you should avoid statements like "internal 1 is nat routing"
15:26<weasel>since that's either wrong or lazy or both or just plain crazy talk
15:26<mnerd>OK I'll try that
15:27<weasel>and try to summarize it up on some page online, and maybe provide your current config and sketch your layout.
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15:27<mnerd>sketch as ascii boxes or image file?
15:27<weasel>either works
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15:29<jrabbit>uh what am I supposed to do if the ppc iso is flawed?
15:29<weasel>flawed how?
15:29<jrabbit>OSX can't seem to fix the image.
15:29<jrabbit>it fails to verify
15:29<weasel>i.e it was burned wrong?
15:29<jrabbit>No the .iso's FS is wrong
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15:30<jrabbit>It fails to verify
15:30<weasel>check that your download went ok?
15:30<weasel>what's the files sha1 checksum?
15:30<jrabbit>it did
15:30<jrabbit>I didn't check that hold on
15:30<weasel>compare that to the checksum on the server
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15:31<jrabbit>ok foudn the external onesec
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15:32<jrabbit>b04c944a5fb0a079af3875d1412056f2 debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso
15:32<jrabbit>b04c944a5fb0a079af3875d1412056f2 debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso
15:32<jrabbit>its the same
15:32<jrabbit>running verify disc on it fails though
15:32<jrabbit>both the Cd which verified to the iso correctly
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15:33<jrabbit>SO both the cd and the iso are both erronous in the HFS volume some how.
15:33<jrabbit>Theres also a weird volume that appears before it thats 1k
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15:34<jrabbit>Disk Utility stopped verifying “(null)” because the following error was encountered:
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15:34<jrabbit>Filesystem verify or repair failed.
15:34<jrabbit>Says it has an invalid number of allocation blocks too
15:35<mnerd>Our carrier provides us with a WAN link with multiple possible ip adresses with a single interface on an cisco 1800 where i have no access to. We would like to use this single interface for two completely independent networks: First one is our intranet which is at moment connected via a debian masquerading gateway, which has its external interface at the cisco box. The second network is a widely distributed VPN, made from D-Link Gear. We now hav
15:35<mnerd>e one of these D-Link boxes here and want its external interface to have one of our public ip-adresses, but the cisco has only one interface. I guess the first question is, can i put a third network card into the debian box and become this some kind of bridge (NAT won't work) to one of the public adresses?
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15:36<mnerd>sorry for my english, I'm used to speak german :)
15:36<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
15:36<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
15:37<mnerd><-- n00b
15:37<jrabbit>mnerd: I'm assuming you'd need to read the manual for ifconfig etc. It seems logical and doable.
15:37<jrabbit>and yes that'd be called a bridge.
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15:37<s_i_m>mnerd, noob since hamm? =)
15:38<mnerd>i never did nat and bridging at one interface at the same time, sure this is possible?
15:38<mnerd>irc n00b
15:39<weasel>bridging is not the same as routing.
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15:39<weasel>and you don't do nat on interfaces...
15:39<weasel>jrabbit: hmm.
15:39<weasel>jrabbit: does it boot?
15:39<jrabbit>both osx boxes can mount it
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15:40<jrabbit>the ppc box doesn't see it at boot nor in the "Reboot into.." panel
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15:40<jrabbit>verify/repair fails
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15:40<mnerd>my confusion mounts :(
15:40<jrabbit>I'm dling the etchpcc.iso over bt now but it's not very fast, the mirrors have gotten slower then they were this morning
15:40<weasel>jrabbit: does have the same issue?
15:41<jrabbit>Don't know I haven't tried it
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15:41<weasel>want to?
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15:41<jrabbit>if the mirror isn't bogged down sure
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15:42<weasel>mnerd: reading your (long, good) explanation above,
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15:42<weasel>mnerd: adding a switch on your external network should just work
15:42<mnerd>but we tried that for hours
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15:43<weasel>it should work.
15:43<mnerd>does the switch need special capabilities like layer 2 routing?
15:43<weasel>are you sure that the debian box isn't also claiming the address that you gave to your d-link?
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15:43<weasel>there is no such thing as layer 2 routing.
15:43<weasel>it needs to be a plain switch
15:43<mnerd>we thougt that too
15:43<weasel>you thought correctly.
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15:43<mnerd>im pretty sure we didnt mix up the adresses
15:44<mnerd>but who knows...
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15:44<mnerd>anyway thanks for clearance :)
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15:45<mnerd>thanks for helping ... :)
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15:46<jrabbit>weasel: well we'll see...
15:46<jrabbit>50 min dl time :)
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15:46<zulu_>hey, I'm tryin to fine tune my Xorg conf, but everything in there is just plenty of empty section saying Identifier configured thing ???
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15:46<weasel>jrabbit: maybe you can rsync?
15:46<weasel>jrabbit: depends on how different the images are
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15:47<zulu_>the question is, where are all the habitual stuff?
15:47<adama>zulu_: yes, xserver will figure most stuff out by defaults. If you add in more hints it will use them
15:47<zulu_>ahh ok
15:47<jrabbit>weasel: I'm jsut httpin
15:47<jrabbit>something I know :P
15:47<zulu_>so I can use what I want, Configured is from what?
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15:49<adama>zulu_: initial configuration just uses names like "configured video device" - it is your video card. You can rename it to Radeon 9600 or whatever
15:49<adama>but change any references of course
15:49<s_i_m>zulu_, you might want to read man xorg.conf but it is rather incomplete
15:49<enouf>jrabbit: whcih powerpc model do you have? and is it running OSX?
15:50<adama>zulu_: what are you trying to do?
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15:50<zulu_>adama, I'm trying to put some option to my video device section
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15:51<zulu_>but I don't understand because there is no server layout section???
15:51<enouf>see, and find xrandr info - maybe /msg dpkg dual monitors
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15:51<enouf>lspci | grep VGA
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15:51<mnerd>weasel: please have a look at /etc/network/interfaces of the debian box, does this eventually block other adresses on the switch with the WAN interfrace? im not too familiar with subnetting...
15:51<mnerd># /etc/network/interfaces
15:51<mnerd>allow-hotplug eth1
15:51<mnerd>iface eth1 inet static
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15:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:53<zulu_>what is xrandr
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15:53<dkr>rander is an extension to x that allows changing rotation and resolution without restartin x
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15:55<chealer>!tell zulu_ about xrandr
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15:59<Stuckey>Does anyone know of a program I can use to make a sample 3 minute video file from a .avi file?
15:59<dkr>Stuckey: mencoder
15:59<mnerd>manual or automatically
16:00<dkr>dd? :)
16:00<s_i_m>will not work with avi
16:00<mnerd>dd will brak indexing
16:00<Stuckey>Okay thanks... I'm reading the mencoder man page now..
16:00<mnerd>you can also try ffmpeg
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16:04<Stuckey>dkr: I'm really getting lost in the manual... do you know of any examples of how to do this?
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16:06<s_i_m>Stuckey, avidemux has a gui, maybe that will be more intuitive.
16:06<dkr>Stuckey: uhm, I think mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -endpos 50
16:06<dkr>to stop after 50 seconds
16:07<Stuckey>dkr: Yeah I got that far, but how do I make it start at X position?
16:07<dkr>oh yeah, -ss starttime same in mplayer/mencoder
16:07<Stuckey>Ah okay
16:07<dkr>and -o sample.avi
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16:08<Stuckey>How do I find out which times are which in the video? Do I just time it or is there an optino to disipaly a time in mplayer/mencoder while playing a video?
16:09<therootest>hello. can please someone help me install the ath5k driver for Atheros AR5007 wifi card?
16:09<amphi>Stuckey: 'o' in mplayer
16:09<dkr>Stuckey: if you hit "o" while playing with mplayer the on screend display showing time will appear
16:09<amphi>Stuckey: osd enabled/ddisplay elapsed/display elapsed & total/osd off
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16:10<Stuckey>amphi: huh?
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16:10<amphi>Stuckey: that's what pressing 'o' does, in succession
16:11<Stuckey>You seem to know a lot about mplayer
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16:13<therootest>hello. can please someone help me install the ath5k driver for Atheros AR5007 wifi card?
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16:13<padski>therootest, I have one of those
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16:14<padski>until recent kernel versions I had to use madwifi
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16:14<Stuckey>amphi: I'm giving this at the command line mencoder input.avi -oac copy -ovc copy -ss 10:00 -endpos 3:00 -o 3minutefile.avi
16:15<Stuckey>* -ss 00:00:42
16:15<Stuckey>But it's starting at 00:00:52
16:15<padski>therootest, I don't remember doing anything special, nor can I see any specific config. does the module load ?
16:15<amphi>Stuckey: strange; try 00:00:32 ? ;)
16:15<Stuckey>And stopping 10 second later also...
16:15<mnerd>Stuckey: your mencoder is broken?
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16:16<dkr>Stuckey: yeah, it's not very exact. it goes to the beginning of the nearest "chunk". the same thing happens when you are skipping around in f avideo
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16:16<therootest>padski, it is supposed to be supported by the kernel. But it doesnt. I tried all the other ways, and now i want to install the ath5k module.
16:16<therootest>padski, but it is in another repository and i cant figure out how to unstall it, so i need a bit of help :)
16:17<amphi>Stuckey: I snip bits of video like that fairly often, and find I have to tweak the times a little
16:17<Stuckey>amphi: I see
16:17<dkr>useful for samples, but not if you want an exactly timed clip. you need a more detailed video editor for that
16:17<Stuckey>dkr: Okay, thanks
16:17<mnerd>Stuckey: try ffmpeg -i input.avi -acodec copy -vcodec copy --ss 00:00:42 -t 00:03:00 three.avi
16:17<padski>therootest, mine is in the stock k/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/ath5k.koernel package:
16:18<padski>oops, that insert point nonsense gets me every time.
16:18<icmp_request>Hey guys! How do I add "/opt/bin" to all my yser's PATHs? I've already tried to edit /etc/rc.local , /etc/init.d/rc and /etc/init.d/rc.local always adding /opt/bin to the PATH but when I type env it's not on the PATH... I've tried restarting the system
16:18<therootest>padski, i think we re not on the same kernel.
16:18<enouf>Stuckey: yo - what's the word on your cdemu extravaganza?
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16:19<padski>therootest, I'm on lenny. I don't think it worked for me until .26
16:19<Stuckey>enouf: I'm taking a break to make this sample avi file.
16:19<enouf>icmp_request: /etc/profile ?
16:19<Stuckey>enouf: I think I might just give up and use the CD.
16:19<therootest>padski, can you help me install the ath5k?
16:19<icmp_request>oh I see I think I forgot this one
16:19<icmp_request>thanks enouf :)
16:19<dpkg>i heard ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See and for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>.
16:20<enouf>or edit each users' .bashrc or .bash_login .. for all new future users, see /etc/default/useradd perhaps icmp_request
16:20<enouf>Stuckey: never give up!
16:20<therootest>:) wow
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16:20<icmp_request>I think /etc/pofile will do the trick thanks enouf :)
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16:21<_smau_>hi all :D
16:21<padski>therootest, take a look at the sites linked in the ath5k factoid above
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16:22<icmp_request>worked, thanks so much enouf ! ^_^
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16:22<therootest>padski, im new to ubuntu/linux. isnt there any easy sudo apt-get install commands to install this ath5k?
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16:23<padski>therootest, on debian the module is in the kernel package.
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16:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:23<icmp_request>enouf just by curiosity /etc/profile is invoked by which init.d script?
16:23<therootest>padski, why doesnt it work, then?
16:24<enouf>Stuckey: you should try with ffmpeg as well - that's one app you want
16:24<therootest>padski, iwconfig gives... nothing
16:24*amphi makes a mental note
16:24<padski>therootest, does the module load ?
16:24<padski>therootest, lsmod | grep ath5k
16:25<icmp_request>or is it initialized by bash?
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16:25<amphi>enouf: if ffmeg catches the time better, that speaks for mencoder being geb0rkt - is this your experience¿
16:25<icmp_request>yes it's bash I see
16:25<therootest>padski, no it doesnt load.
16:26<padski>therootest, how about modprobe ath5k
16:27<therootest>therootest@therootest-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep ath5k
16:27<therootest>ath5k 116612 0
16:27<therootest>lbm_cw_mac80211 215856 1 ath5k
16:27<therootest>lbm_cw_cfg80211 46744 2 ath5k,lbm_cw_mac80211
16:27<therootest>led_class 12164 1 ath5k
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16:27<enouf>icmp_request: it's sourced? .. erm, /etc/login.defs and /etc/bash.bashrc are important
16:28<icmp_request>I see... long time away from Linux forgot about initialization files :P
16:28<enouf>icmp_request: also - your DM might have provisions -- look what i found; /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession: [ -f /etc/profile ] && . /etc/profile
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16:30<icmp_request>yes I see thanks ;)
16:30<enouf>amphi: well, it was my intention to have Stuckey be our guinea pig ;-)
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16:30<Stuckey>enouf: guinea pig for what?
16:31<enouf>such a shame that bow and bow are spelled the same :-P
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16:31<enouf>Stuckey: test that ffmpeg command someone above offered
16:31<mnerd>yeah test it
16:31<Stuckey>What's the command?
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16:31<Stuckey>Okay moment
16:31*enouf ^fives mnerd
16:32<Stuckey>If someone will tell me how to make a rar archive...
16:32<enouf> <mnerd> Stuckey: try ffmpeg -i input.avi -acodec copy -vcodec copy --ss 00:00:42 -t 00:03:00 three.avi
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16:32<mnerd>Stuckey: not sure if that works, but should be pretty close
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16:33<Stuckey>mnerd: "ffmpgeg: unrecgnized option '-ss'"
16:33<dkr>one dash
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16:34<Stuckey>mnerd: it encoed an .avi file but mplayer crashed trying to play it.
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16:35<mnerd>Stuckey: add -f avi
16:35<mnerd>Stuckey: ffmpeg -i INPUTFILE [OPTIONS] -ss STARTTIME -t DURATION -f avi OUTPUTFILE
16:35<Stuckey>mnerd: still crahsed mplayer
16:35<Stuckey>Does anyone know how to make a rar archive?
16:36<mnerd>use rar command?
16:36<mnerd>from non-free
16:36<Stuckey>Yeah I used rar a *.avi but it gives some sort of error about bad archive.
16:36<Stuckey>Or perhaps someone knows a good alternative to rar that's FOSS.
16:36<dkr>tar :)
16:36<mnerd>Stuckey: rar a archive.rar *.avi
16:36<Stuckey>dkr: It can make lots of smaller files like rar?
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16:37<Stuckey>mnerd: and that can be used with 12 .avi files?
16:37<dkr>Stuckey: not with checksums and the like for each part
16:37<mnerd>Stuckey: you wont get any notable filesize decrease compressing avi's
16:38<Stuckey>mnerd: that's not the point; I want them split into lots of smaller files.
16:38<dkr>apaprently the point is to slpit it up, not compress it
16:38<Stuckey>dkr: the piont is just to split it up
16:38<dkr>just use "split" then :)
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16:39<Stuckey>oh really... and then how do I reassemable them?
16:39<mnerd>Stuckey: read rar man page, there are options explained, for both naming conventions: .r00 . r01 ... and part1.rar part2.rar
16:39<dkr>cat a.1 a.2 a.3 > a
16:39<mnerd>dkr ownz
16:39<Stuckey>dkr: and that works for an .avi???
16:39<mnerd>works for all files
16:39<dkr>Stuckey: of course, they are just bits
16:39<Stuckey>dkr: that's pretty awesome
16:39<ranix>just use the unp package
16:40<ranix>and use the unpacker it tells you to
16:40<ranix>perfect for piracy, because you never know. You might download some warez while chemically altered
16:40<ranix>and be unable to parse the .1, .2, .3, etc. naming convention
16:40<ranix>despite its simplicity
16:41<Stuckey>ranix: so you'd use the "unpacker" package to put together files that were split using the package "split"?
16:41<icmp_request>any command-line program that reads aacp except mplayer?
16:41<ranix>the "unp" package
16:41<ranix>apt-get install unp
16:41<Stuckey>ranix: and then how would you split them? using split?
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16:42<dkr>ranix: that's pretty nifty
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16:42<ranix>Stuckey: why would you want to split them
16:42<Stuckey>ranix: it makes it easier to transfer them over the internet
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16:43<ranix>Stuckey: should use the .rar usenet convention when sharing that way
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16:43<Stuckey>ranix: yeah but that's not FOSS
16:43<ranix>even if it's already a compressed file
16:44<BlueG>Does the netinst give you an option of DE to install? Is there a netinst iso for testing?
16:44<Stuckey>ranix: I like dkr's idea of using split and cat
16:44<ranix>usenet is older than foss, I prefer the convention despite the deficiencies of rar
16:44<ranix>BlueG: if you do it right, you don't install a DE at all. Then you use apt to get one
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16:44<dkr>ranix: using rar on usenet is a relatively recent phenomenon. your youth is showing. :)
16:44<ranix>dkr: I am twenty five years old! I resent that
16:45<ranix>or resemble it
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16:45<ranix>one or the other
16:45<dkr>ranix: uuencode/uudecode was the way for ages. then base64 encoding
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16:45<Stuckey>ranix: If I've got twelve avis' named similarly like avi1.avi avi2.avi, etc., then how is the comand to make a rar archive.
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16:45<amphi>enouf: guinea-pig, heh
16:45<ranix>Stuckey: rar *.avi
16:45<onafest2>#/msg NLM|News|10 xdcc send #55
16:45<ranix>or rar file *lavi
16:45<BlueG>ranix: I was thinking that when you install a DE from the initial install disc, you get a whole basic set of software with it. Are there metapackages or something for that?
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16:46<Stuckey>ranix: that just bring up usage information
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16:46<onafest2>#/msg NLM|News|06 xdcc send #56
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16:47<Stuckey>ranix: I used "rar a file.rar avi.avi"
16:47<Stuckey>ranix: and wow this is a slow process...
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16:47<ranix>sorry Stuckey, rar a rarname *.foo
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16:48<Stuckey>ranix: Yeah that's what I used... thanks. Should this take a REALLY long time?
16:48<ranix>Stuckey: if you don't want to waste your processor you could split and cat
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16:48<ranix>Stuckey: you are compressing compressed video
16:48<ranix>Stuckey: you've officially been trolled
16:48<Stuckey>ranix: So rar always takes a long time like this?
16:48<Stuckey>ranix: trolled?
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16:52<Stuckey>What's trolled mean?
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16:53<amphi>Stuckey: there's no sense to compress them; if you want them in a single file, just tar them up
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16:53<Stuckey>dkr: I just split a file with split and I've got like a zillion files with abc until xzz... hwo do I reassimble with cat???
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16:55<dkr>Stuckey: oh, you didn't give a prefix? if no other files in dir just cat *> file
16:55<Stuckey>dkr: there are other files/folderes in the directory
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16:56<Stuckey>ranix: So I created a rar archive but it didn't split it up into a buch of littler .r00 .r01 .r02 files...
16:56<dkr>so the files are literally named just "aaa" "abc" etc?
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16:57<Stuckey>dkr: they begin with xaa and end with xzz
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16:57<dkr>Stuckey: ah, then just do cat x* > file
16:57<dkr>the shell wildcard expansion is in alphabetical order by default
16:58<Stuckey>dkr: thanks... that's an awesome command
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17:03<And1>Hey guys, anyone knows how to disable mousewheelscrolling in urxvt?
17:03<marie>hi i need help with making audio work , i'm using HDA intel generic
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17:07<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:08<pusling>hej marie ;)
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17:23<u_>i am trying to install debian testing from an usb stick, so what i did was copy the iso image to the stick, then copyed from the iso vmlinuz and initrd.gz to the root of the usb stick, then installed syslinux with "syslinux.exe -m -a z:", edited syslinux.cfg to boot vmlinuz and appended initrd.gz, so it boots but then the installer can't find the iso image
17:23<u_>so the installation stops
17:24<u_>here it is explained :
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17:24<u_>it says "The installer will look for a Debian ISO image on the stick as its source for additional data needed for the installation" in 4.4.3 Adding and ISO image, but it doesn't
17:25<u_>btw i am doing it from windows xp
17:25<Cyorxamp>Hey did we release a special version of Lenny today... whatevevr a "DI-rc2" is?
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17:27<BlueG>does anyone know where I can get the Lenny netinst disk, I am getting 404
17:27<BlueG>I think I saw someone else having a similiar problem earlier
17:28<BlueG>but I missed if there was a solution
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17:30<Cyorxamp>BlueG, I'm getting 404 too lol :D
17:31<Cyorxamp>the mirror it's pointing to isn't hosing it, it seems
17:31<chealer>Cyorxamp: not really. there was a debian-installer release.
17:31<BlueG>well, I can get the daily build netinst...
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17:31<Cyorxamp>try that directory :D
17:31<mike>sup all, need help with sound
17:31<BlueG>don't know how well, it will bork, but I guess i will give it a try if I can't get RC2
17:31<Cyorxamp>they got the name of the files wrong on the hyperlink
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17:33<mike><--No sound/scratchy noise instead HELP!
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17:34<mike>Anyone here can help an ubuntu noob
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17:34<Cyorxamp>mike, you'd be better off in the official ubuntu channel, on freenode
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17:36<BlueG>Cyorxamp: thanks, looks like that link is working
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17:38<Cyorxamp>I've got a fun trip with my dell lappy to do... sticking the original dell ubuntu restore disc back on so I can steal the etc directory
17:38<Cyorxamp>then blow up the lappy again
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17:38<Cyorxamp>and dual boot lenny rc2 and mac os x 10.5.6 lol
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17:38<Cyorxamp>for the hell of it
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18:01<dpkg><niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns?
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18:15<ranix>adama: vista has red screens now
18:15<ranix>adama: the blue screen wasn't scary enough
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18:15<ranix>next in line is the screen that kills your parents
18:16<dr|z3d>The scariest Vista screen is the composited desktop. Positively frightening :/
18:16<hudo>hi all
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18:23<Supaplex>dr|z3d: the composted one is full of crap
18:24<dr|z3d>Supaplex: If you mean Vista, you're not wrong.
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18:24<mike>need help, no sound, static instead
18:25<Supaplex>"compost" as in ferterlizer aka manure
18:25*dr|z3d chuckles.
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19:19<jrabbit>I'm trying to install tomsbootnroot but I keep getting errors about Readonly-ness of my floppy
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19:20<Leenucks>has anyone experiecend problem with forwarding ports or setting up iptables?
19:21<Leenucks>anyone online?
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19:25<abrotman>Leenucks: need more details .. also there is #iptables on freenode
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19:29<abrotman>jrabbit: is the tab closed on the floppy ?
19:29<dr|z3d>Leenucks: Quite probably. If you're not averse to a gui, try Ufw or Firestarter.
19:29<jrabbit>abrotman: yes...
19:29<dr|z3d>Leenucks: Portforwarding is something you're more likely to do on your router.
19:29<jrabbit>I can't figure otu why EVERYTHING fails at writing
19:29<abrotman>jrabbit: are you writing to the device or the mount point ?
19:29<Leenucks>well that's what I'm trying to do..
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19:29<abrotman>everything ?
19:29<jrabbit>its unmounted
19:30<abrotman>jrabbit: which OS is this?
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19:30<jrabbit>debian... <_<
19:30<abrotman>just noting that's an odd fd0 name
19:30<jrabbit>Why the fuck would it not be debian you snark asshat.
19:30<abrotman>okay .. then i won't help .. have fun
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19:31<JordiGH>Why can't I select mp3 output in Gnome's sound juicer? The option is in the available profiles, just not in the drop down menu.
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19:31<abrotman>JordiGH: lame not installed ?
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19:33<JordiGH>Ah, that could be it.
19:33<JordiGH>So there are no patents on decoding mp3s, only on encoding them?
19:33<abrotman>uhm .. /me zips his lips
19:34<dr|z3d>mp3 is also patented. Frunhaufer Institute, or something.
19:34<JordiGH>Yeah, but we have mp3 decoders in main...
19:34<JordiGH>Unlike Ubuntu.
19:34<dr|z3d>There we go, bzed :)
19:34<JordiGH>(which has confused me, Ubuntu is more hardcore on this one? That's unusual)
19:35<dr|z3d>Ubuntu has a separate repository for "non-free" stuff that has to be enabled. That's all.
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19:35<JordiGH>dr|z3d: Yeah, but *our* mp3 decoders are ffmpeg, I think, and they're in main.
19:36<abrotman>not just ffmpeg
19:36<abrotman>!depends audacious lenny
19:36<dpkg>audacious: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libaudclient1 (= 1.5.1-4), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libmcs1, libmowgli1 (>= 0.5.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libsamplerate0, libsm6, libx11-6, audacious-plugins (>= 1.5.1), audacious-plugins (<< 2.0~), dbus, libaudid3tag1 (= 1.5.1-4), gtk2-engines-pixbuf
19:36<Lenhix>Just install lame, hehe
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19:36<JordiGH>dr|z3d: You see how backwards the universe is on this one? For once, Debian didn't call in the bureaucratic nerds from d-legal on this one.
19:36<Lenhix>(And enjoy!)
19:37<JordiGH>Lenhix: I will, but I've been surprised about this.
19:37*dr|z3d chuckles.
19:37<abrotman>JordiGH: i'm sure they did
19:37<JordiGH>abrotman: And mp3 won, not the nerds?
19:38*JordiGH should grep the archives.
19:38<abrotman>JordiGH: NFC .. go look
19:38<JordiGH>!wtf nfc
19:38<dpkg>NFC: no fucking clue
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19:41<JordiGH>Hm, ok, lame installed, still no option... do I need to restart gnome or something?
19:41*JordiGH does that.
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19:43<JordiGH>Nope, no joy.
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19:44*Lenhix is sooooooo fuckin bored :(
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19:45<JordiGH>Ah, I'm still missing stuffs, that's why. I need more stuffs.
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19:46<Supaplex>then apt-get install stuffs :D
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19:47<JordiGH>Yay, stuffs worked.
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19:49<JordiGH>Uhm, is there something like mp32ogg but backwards? Nice thing about mp32ogg is that it also preserves tags. I'd use ffmpeg, but it doesn't preserve tags...
19:51<binarymutant>mplayer can handle all that conversion stuff :)
19:51<JordiGH>Yay, another converter, another manpage.
19:51<Supaplex>isn't it great? :D
19:52<amphi>man mplayer is not a bad one; not up to the standard of man zshall, but not too shabby
19:53<JordiGH>Just when I thought I was comfy with ffmpeg and I knew how to make it do stuff... time to read another manpage for a completely different tool!
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19:55<binarymutant>mplayer <file> -dumpaudio -dumpfile foo.ogg :P
19:55<JordiGH>binarymutant: But that's not gonna preserve tags...
19:56<binarymutant>idk about tags
19:56<binarymutant>how do you check tags?
19:57<JordiGH>I guess I can use tagtool...
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19:57<JordiGH>Then again, my brother doesn't seem to care if his music library is a mess. I'm so anal about sorting my own music collection, though.
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19:57<JordiGH>(and I also don't buy iPods, so I don't have to worry about mp3)
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20:01<JordiGH>Ack, I wish I could config keys in Pidgin.
20:02<JordiGH>Does funpidgin allow this?
20:04<debianNooB21>hey guys, in my training to learn linux, I have on old version on debian, that usesd XFree86 for the X server? I wanted to see if I could upgrade (or install) Xorg without using and packages. I was pretty successful, but now when I restart the system it only goes to the console, and I have to manaully lauch X via startx.
20:05<debianNooB21>How can i get the system to boot all the way into the desktop?
20:05<sime>install gdm
20:05<JordiGH>Holy shit.
20:05<debianNooB21>gdm is installed.
20:05<k1lumin4t1>is there any way to tar (extract/decompress) in a batch process form?
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20:05<JordiGH>debianNooB21: You're doing this the most painful way possible... but if gdm is installed, you have to put it in your runlevel if Tux knows why it isn't there already.
20:06<Rurouni>debian Are you here ?
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20:08<debianNooB21>JordiGH: no dought. I am trying to learn the hard way. so a scpit to lauch gdm needs to be in the runlevel folder? What is Tux?
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20:09<debianNooB21>truth of the matter, is I am trying to learn how X work from the ground up.
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20:10<JordiGH>Tux is the Linux mascot, and a replacement for $deity. Yeah, in /etc/rc$THE_RUNLEVEL.d, put the appropriate link to /etc/init.d which starts gdm.
20:10<JordiGH>And name the symlink so that it runs at the end. S80 or whatever.
20:10<JordiGH>s99, actually
20:11<JordiGH>It's S30gdm on mine.
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20:12<debianNooB21>JordiGH: thanks for the help. Any reason why it would be removed?
20:12<JordiGH>debianNooB21: No clue why it isn't there, no.
20:13<JordiGH>debianNooB21: The gdm postinst script should have put that symlink there.
20:13<debianNooB21>Xorg install script would not remove those links, right?
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20:14<debianNooB21>anyways thanks, i think that will fix my problem.
20:14<|1|||1|>Hi... I'm trying to install debian via kvm/ncurses ...
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20:15<|1|||1|>I need to somehow bootup the iso without fb/X mode
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20:15<|1|||1|>is that even possible?
20:15<|1|||1|>do you have a say as to what mode the iso boots in?
20:15<JordiGH>You're install xorg from upstream source?
20:15<JordiGH>That's hardcore.
20:15<JordiGH>It might mess around with those links, no idea if it does.
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20:16<JordiGH>|1|||1|: Uh, the default is without a graphical install... unless that's changed recently.
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20:16<|1|||1|>JordiGH - it boots up in a framebuffer mode, hence ncurses goes blank
20:17<JordiGH>|1|||1|: Oh, guess that's a kvm thing. Sorry, don't know then.
20:17<debianNooB21>ya, i download from xorg the scripts and files then ran the install script. pretty easy. but jacked up a lot of thing. That why we use packages i see. :)
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20:21<|1|||1|>well kvm does support X mode and such via vnc, but this is a production server so I want to avoid X all together
20:22<|1|||1|>there should be a way to boot the debian cd in text mode
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20:27<dpkg>Append "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer.
20:28<debianNooB21>|1|||1|: just type install, right?
20:28<Supaplex>|1|||1|: see above
20:28<Supaplex>|1|||1|: failing that, try #debian-boot - the home of d-i
20:28<|1|||1|>here is my delima... I book the CD... and before I have actually made any selections, it is already in FB mode
20:28<|1|||1|>if I had a `boot:' prompt, I could do that
20:29<|1|||1|>but the CD boots right into the fb mode with the debian logo etc.
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20:29<Supaplex>can you use the netboot images?
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20:29<|1|||1|>that's a thought
20:29<Supaplex>isn't the cd virtual anyway?
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20:30<|1|||1|>i was using net-installer image
20:30<|1|||1|>the CD is just an iso image
20:30<Daemonz>I just set up my wifi card rt61, it scans just fine, even connects to my router but for some reason it gives me a fake ipv6 addy (my router only supports ipv4)
20:30<Supaplex>ahhh. when you said 'book'. I figured you rolled it yourself.
20:30<|1|||1|>kvm -no-acpi -m 384 -cdrom ../debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso -boot d -curses -hda up-core-rhns.img
20:31<Supaplex>can kvm use qemu args like -kernel -append -initrd etc?
20:31<|1|||1|>hmmm... very good question again
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20:32<Supaplex>if so, just steal the netboot linux kernel, and initrd, and go to town. :)
20:32<Supaplex>d-i doesn't even need root= because it's all initrd
20:32<debianNooB21>sorry when you say kvm i was thinking of key/video/mouse. what is kvm?
20:34<JordiGH>Daemonz: It should give you both addresses...
20:34<Supaplex>debianNooB21: like xen, but different? :) kernelmode virtualization machine I think?
20:34<JordiGH>Daemonz: sounds like dhcp isn't doing its job after all. Are you really associated?
20:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios.
20:34<Supaplex>too many tla's :P
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20:35<Daemonz>JordiGH, Yeah it says
20:36<Daemonz>so packets are being exchanged..
20:38<JordiGH>Daemonz: What does dhclient do?
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20:38<JordiGH>Daemonz: Can you manually set an ip with ifconfig?
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20:38<Daemonz>got an addy
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20:38<debianNooB21>Supaplex: the on that |1|1| was referring to is a Kernel-based Virtual Machine?
20:39<Daemonz>Thanks, what is the problem? why didn't dhclient automatically get an ip?
20:39<JordiGH>Daemonz: I'm not sure... how did you try to use it?
20:40<Daemonz>I just installed fresh install debian, downloaded firmware from ralink and rmmod modprobe rt61pci... it didn't give me an ipv4 ip, so i rebooted.. same thing.. after a couple of hours reading came here
20:41<JordiGH>Daemonz: Uhm, just modprobing isn't gonna give you an address.
20:41<Daemonz>in order to load firmware
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20:42<Daemonz>i tried using dhcdb or something on wlan0 i guess i missed dhclient
20:42<JordiGH>dhcp3, I think.
20:42<JordiGH>They should be similar or same.
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20:42<Supaplex>debianNooB21: yes
20:42<|1|||1|>looks like it does support -kernel and -append, even though there is a bug thread i searched which people are sayig they won't add that feature as it is not supportable or something
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20:42<Daemonz>JordiGH, i just rebooted, same thing, it's not getting ipv4 addy automatically
20:43<|1|||1|>what's the kernel option to boot in text mode now
20:43<Supaplex>|1|||1|: well, use qemu to workaround it. :)
20:43<dpkg>Append "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer.
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20:45<JordiGH>Daemonz: Are you using a desktop environment?
20:45<Daemonz>JordiGH, I am no longer getting ipv4 with dhclient
20:45<JordiGH>Daemonz: And which network manager are you using?
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20:45<Daemonz>JordiGH, iwlist iwconfig
20:46<JordiGH>That's not really a network manager...
20:46<JordiGH>I meant something like network-manager or that lightweight one people like to use... what's it called?
20:46<Daemonz>I have no idea
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20:47<Daemonz>can you look at my log?
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20:47<JordiGH>!info wicd
20:48<JordiGH>Daemonz: And you're associated?
20:48<dpkg>wicd: (wired and wireless network manager), section net, is optional. Version: 1.5.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 1828 kB
20:48<Daemonz>do i really need this?
20:49<JordiGH>Do you really want to be running commands all the time you want to connect to a network?
20:49<Daemonz>Thanks, I will check it out
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20:50<Daemonz>what can i do to fix the ip problem? have you encountered anything like this before?
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20:50<JordiGH>Kinda... but not quite the same.
20:51<Daemonz>here is dmesg log
20:52<Daemonz>DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to port 67 why to
20:52<JordiGH>that's the broadcast addresss
20:52<Daemonz>ah, right, and it's not getting an answer?
20:52<JordiGH>In the olden dies, you could ping and the entire internet would hear you. :-)
20:53<JordiGH>Yes, it's not getting a response.
20:53<Daemonz>what about this wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
20:53<JordiGH>Your card is saying, "helloooo!? Is there anyone out there? I want an IP!!" and nobody is responding.
20:54<|1|||1|>kvm is awesome
20:54<JordiGH>I've heard before that ralink is a bit flakey... just try running dhclient again a few times?
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20:56<vladimir>whois vladimir
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20:56<Daemonz>well, i rmmod then modprobed rt61pci and dhclient and it got an ip .. still that error wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
20:57<MrNaz>in debian 4, apache2 package... what user does the apache server run as ?
20:57<Daemonz>sweet, atleast it's working :)
20:57<MrNaz>and what's the default web root ?
20:58<|1|||1|>is there a way to automate (like autoyast,jumpstart,kickstart) debian installs?
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20:59<BlueG>running the netinst disc, I get options of which software to install. What do I get for "Desktop environment" and "Stamdard system"?
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20:59<amphi>DE is gnome
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21:00<BlueG>gnome with some preselected set of desktop software?
21:00<chealer>BlueG: desktop environment gives you GNOME by default, standard installs the packages with priority Standard.
21:01<chealer>BlueG: it installs the gnome-desktop tasksel task
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21:02<gsimmons>MrNaz: www-data and /var/www respectively.
21:03<MrNaz>gsimmons www-data is the username ?
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21:05<enouf>BlueG: no idea if this will work in alt-f2 shell within the installer, but try 'tasksel --task-packages desktop' .. however, even on an installed system and grepping for gnome, i get nada - which means even the gnome metapackage must be pulled in as a depends from one of those listed
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21:08<enouf>|1|||1|: maybe see the systemimager* packages, also bootcd pkg, or even /msg dpkg preseed
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21:08<enouf>!nickometer |1|||1|
21:08<dpkg>'|1|||1|' is 99.870% lame, enouf
21:08<enouf>had to do it ;-)
21:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 350] by debhelper
21:09<JordiGH>Wow, that's the highest lameosity I've seen.
21:09<JordiGH>What's the lameness algorithm anyways?
21:09<enouf>all caps and/or non-alpha will likely trigger close always ;-)
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21:10<enouf>do it in PM please :-)
21:10<JORDIGH>!nickometer JORDIGH
21:10<dpkg>'JORDIGH' is 99.830% lame, jordigh
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21:10<RIVE>Let's see.
21:10<RIVE>!nickometer RIVE
21:10<enouf>awe c'mon ... no bot abuse
21:10<dpkg>'RIVE' is 69.000% lame, rive
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21:11<enouf>it was funny .. that once ;-)
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21:12<BlueG>!nickometer BlueG
21:12<dpkg>'BlueG' is 0.000% lame, blueg
21:13<JordiGH>Hm, why is that other machine not broadcasting its hostname even though I told it to do so in /etc/dhcp/dhcp.conf
21:13<JordiGH>Or did I?
21:14<faca>i have the debian sarge with raid1 (mdadm(. Problem> boot and ANY error print in console but de root filesystem set in readonly
21:14<JordiGH>Oops, missing ;
21:14<Daemonz>JordiGH, further reading states problems with wmaster with this card
21:15<JordiGH>Daemonz: Flakey drivers, eh?
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21:15<Daemonz>yeah, i am lucky it's working .. sometimes*
21:16<JordiGH>Daemonz: Sorry. :-/ It kinda sucks that the ralink drivers are free but, well, suck. :-/ I think atheros has completely free drivers now.
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21:17<Daemonz>it was $10 on newegg during the christmas sale.. guess i know now why it was so cheap
21:17<faca>please help :(
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21:24<enouf>faca: can you boot a livecvd and run a fsck on it?
21:25<enouf>faca: why are you still using Sarge - there are exploits and no updates
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21:36<faca>enouf, yes, i boot witch licd and execute fsck.reiserfs..... fsck.reiserfs say no error!!!! :(
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21:36<faca>enouf, this server is production :(
21:37<enouf>faca: is reiserfs your / FS ?
21:37<enouf>faca: you execute reiserfsck on /dev/md0 ?
21:37<faca>and say no error
21:38<faca>i mount to / in tmp, and de filesystem and files is ok./
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21:41<enouf>faca: ok .. well, i'd try these steps perhaps - 1st off, check settings in any /etc/mdadm*/* and /etc/default/mdadm* files and directories .. then check your /etc/fstab settings -- last field (field 6, man fstab) , make sure it's set to 1, and all other entries are either 0 or 2 (for last field) ... then check your kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst .. are you booting into a 'single' recovery mode kernel? Using LiLo? which kernel?
21:41<enouf>faca: see also /msg dpkg bootlogd
21:42<duraperidol>hello, does anyone know how to say, make irssi able to type in diff languages?
21:42<enouf>i understand though, to do any changes you need a 'rw' FS .. perhaps you can chroot into it rw
21:42<duraperidol>I have locales installed, I just do not know how to change the input kb to the diff locale(s).
21:43<enouf>faca: what dir/ are not on / ? is /var, /tmp, /usr, /home on /? or their own partitions?
21:43<enouf>duraperidol: man setxkbmap ?
21:43<enouf>er, sorry
21:44<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
21:44<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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21:45<enouf>duraperidol: for console, either the dpkg-reconfigure console-{data,tools} or loadkeys - you can also use showkey in console
21:46<faca>enouf, sorry for my english, in boot, only say "Warning: unable to open an initial console" this say AFERT "VFS: set readonly..."
21:46<enouf>duraperidol: if you're running irssi within an xterm, then setxkbmap <CC> where CC == Country Code
21:47<enouf>faca: hrm, is /boot on /? or a separate partition? that sounds almost like an initrd issue, or a pivot_root type issue
21:47<faca>enouf, is in /
21:47<enouf>faca: which bootloader?
21:47<faca>enouf, grub
21:47<faca>enouf, remeber i use raid1 with mdadm
21:48<enouf>i'm not too saavy about that ... so
21:48<enouf>faca: are you sure the md and dm modules are loading?
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21:48<enouf>actually, ignore that - if it can mount, it's loading - it'
21:48<faca>enouf, i execute> mount /proc, and cat /proc/mdadm and is ok
21:48<enouf>actually, ignore that - if it can mount, it's loading - it's mounting ro though?
21:49<faca>enouf, dm modules ?
21:49<enouf>faca: well .. md does use devicemapper, but ...
21:50<enouf>faca: is/are the partition IDs still set to 'fd' ? just a wild-guess
21:50<enouf>faca: how many disks and how many partitions make up the md0 array?
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21:50<faca>enouf, 2 disk, 1 partition
21:50<enouf>which i know is a mirror .. raid1
21:51<enouf>faca: /dev/md0 is not a partition, but a Virtual Multidisk(?) i mean in MSDOS partition table speak
21:52<enouf>faca: what does /proc/mdstat say about /dev/hda1 (or /etc/mdadm.*/*) ,,, etc
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21:52<faca>if I understand
21:53<faca>mdadm raid1= /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1
21:53<enouf>faca: i think it's possible, but not sure, that the disks have NO master partition table set .. but ,,, oh ok
21:54<enouf>faca: possible it's been running in a "degraded" state for too long?
21:54<faca>i execute fdisk /dev/sda1 and fdisk /dev/sdb1 and set flag boot un first particion "linux raid...
21:54<enouf>faca: in other words, something is and has been wrong with one disk (which means it's partition is affected) for a while?
21:54<faca>enouf, degraded state ?
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21:55<faca>I do not think
21:55<enouf>freealan: man mdadm, man mdadm.conf .. see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/*
21:55<faca>the first time this happened, I run a fsck.reiserfs and found errors, then run a fsck.reiserfs - rebuild-tree and the arrangement. Then start again and continued with the same read-only error.
21:55<enouf>use zgrep on .gz files if needed
21:56<enouf>er ,, rebuild-tree can be quite dangerous
21:56<duraperidol>enouf: thanks, I am trying to type in swedish and english, and that is something I have not been able to do so far. perhaps it is possible to go back and forth
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21:56<enouf>duraperidol: it is, and should be fairly easy
21:56<faca>I do not understand what they might like to mount / as read only and does not indicate any error.
21:57<duraperidol>enouf: also, my debian boxes are headless, and they are console only.. no ui's installed
21:57<faca>enouf, ok, but the read only mount before and after rebulid/tree anyway
21:57<duraperidol>should have mentioned that
21:57<enouf>duraperidol: if it is within an xterm, and a DE is present, such as GNOME, or KDE, or XFCE, they each have their own faculties to interface with that
21:57<enouf>oh .. ok
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21:58<enouf>faca: once mounted ro, can you effectively do 'mount -o remount,rw /' ?
21:58<faca>enouf, yes.
21:59<faca>enouf, remount,rw no problem.
21:59<enouf>faca: if you can, i suggest you at once do; 'touch forcefsck' and reboot -- IF your /etc/fstab are correct
21:59<enouf>faca: if you can, i suggest you at once do; 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot -- IF your /etc/fstab are correct
21:59<enouf>faca: note the / in front
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21:59<faca>wait please.
21:59<faca>1 sec, forcefsck?
22:00<faca>it is file ?
22:00<kop>faca: it's existance makes the box fsck on reboot
22:00<k1lumin4t1>I'm experiencing problems with my Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. ZC0301 WebCam under Debian with Linux kernel 2.6.26. It was first loading both gspca and zc0301 module, and I read this caused conflicts. I put zc0301 on blacklist and still I get errors when trying to open the video0 dev. I noticed doing some reading that it should be loading the v4l2_common module associated to videodev module. But when I modprobe the v4l2_common module it doesn't s
22:00<k1lumin4t1>tablish the asociation
22:00<enouf>faca: that will make a fsck run upon reboot, just at the correct init stage
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22:01<enouf>faca: see /etc/default/rcS even .. but "grep forcefsck /etc/init.d"
22:01<enouf>faca: but "rgrep forcefsck /etc/init.d"
22:01<enouf>or grep -R
22:02<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: don't think all that came out
22:02<enouf>faca: another way is to try ; "shutdown -rF now" (man shutdown)
22:02<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, ?
22:03<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: you got cutoff
22:03<enouf>faca: i believe you need 'rw' for either to work properly
22:03<enouf>especially the former
22:03<faca>ok ok
22:03<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, yes the rest of it is "it doesn't stablish the asociation"
22:03<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, you using irssi I guess
22:03<enouf>faca: you might want to remount 'ro' just after you make edits, then reboot
22:04<abrotman>i'd think you'd need more than just hat _common
22:04<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: no, misspelled words made me think it was truncated :)
22:04<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, yes, and also v4l1_compat, but this one is loading correctly asociated to videodev
22:05<enouf>faca: usually, the 'single' kernel lines set you up with a minimal env, so you can do these things - semi-safely (no extraneous apps/utils/services running)
22:05<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, ahh yes, not native speaker, sorry :D
22:05<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: i gathered .. anyways .. any hints in dmesg ?
22:05<enouf>faca: once you get to the CTRL-D or root pwd , you enter root pwd
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22:06<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, dmesg output to gspca:
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22:07<abrotman>seems working to me!
22:07<enouf>faca: i could care not if you speak improper or poor english, so long as there's no AOLification , and we can understand each other ;-)
22:07<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: but the devices aren't created ?
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22:08<enouf>faca: s/i could/i do
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22:09<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, yes /dev/video0 is there
22:09<enouf>faca: you really should upgrade that server though - atleast to Etch, -- Lenny will be "Stable" ... soon .... and, is that reiserfs 3.6 ?
22:10<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: doesn't that seem the right thing to do ?
22:10<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, is there any possible way I could force the loading of v4l2_common and asociate it with videodev at the same time?
22:10<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, what?
22:10<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: do you know how to do that bit manually ?
22:10<faca>enouf, I touch / forcefsck restart, the same problem. Then ls / and the file was still forcefsck
22:11<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, nope, not a single clue
22:11<enouf>faca: not "touch / forcefsck" but "touch /forcefsck"
22:11<faca>enouf, yes yes
22:12<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, doing modprobe on v4l2_common loads it but without dependancy to videodev
22:12<faca>enouf, touch /forcefsck, restart, and nothing
22:12<faca>not run fsck in boot!! :(
22:12<superjet_busy>blobwars-1.10 always complains gpl licenses file not found then exit, where is it?
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22:13<faca>enouf, I look at the file / etc / default / rcS and I do not see anything weird. Anyway it should not look at.
22:13<faca>sorry for spaces...
22:14<enouf>faca: ok .. show me what "rgrep forcefsck /etc/init.d/" and "cat /etc/default/rcS" says in a pastebin -- ahh .. crap ... have you done what "/msg dpkg bootlogd" says? remount rw, and enable itt, then check /var/log/boot for messages
22:14<enouf>faca: those spaces are really freaking me out man
22:15<duraperidol>enouf: have generated the locales , and I am to set $LANG to SV_SE i take it? I have a us keyboard, and I am trying to be able to type in english, and switch back to swedish with a simple hotkey like ctrl+shift. i have also been looking at othere pages, and the LC and other variables are starting to confuse me a bit tbqh.
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22:16<kop>I'm reading the proposed lenny upgrade notes and see that sysklogd is replaced by rsyslogd and so the config file moves from syslog.conf to rsyslog.conf. I'm wondering if there's a spiffy way to get a listing of what config files have been changed from the default.
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22:16<enouf>duraperidol: confuse? you and me both -- sorry i can't be any more clear, or help further, i've never had to deal with your situation
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22:17<enouf>kop: wtf?
22:17<enouf>r == remote?
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22:18<kop>enouf : A way to "diff -q" on all the existing config files that apt knows about compared to the "stock" configs.
22:18<duraperidol>thanks ^^. this will be interesting.
22:18<enouf>and well .. syslogd/sysKlogd has been a weirdo for a while
22:18<faca>The server that has the problem not even load the modules of network cards. Or at least an "ip link" does not show the network cards.
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22:19<faca>then nothing can past, i need write in this pc (distint the pc problem)
22:19<kop>Sorry, rsyslog, not rsyslogd. (Still, the config file changes.)
22:19<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: videodev is a driver? you can use the module rules to cause it to load
22:19<enouf>faca: that doesn't have anything to do with / being mounted ro, unless it's a PXE enabled boot or something
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22:19<faca>not use pxe
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22:20<enouf>faca: if / is mounted ro, and /tmp and /var are on / .. i'd susspect issues
22:20<enouf>especially with any network connections
22:20<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, videodev is module, yes. I want it to be associated to v4l2_common when I load the latter
22:20<faca>part of a start in read-only mode, do not run anything from the init.
22:20<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, i.e. when v4l2_common is modprobed associate it to videodev
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22:21<abrotman>that doesn't make sense to me
22:21<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, why or what?
22:22<abrotman>to bind them
22:22<enouf>faca: well, /sbin/init should run., just not any of the /etc/init.d/ scripts will m, which are told to run from various symnolic links in /etc/rc?.d/*
22:22<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, yes, that's what I've seen on lsmods in posts where it has been successful working
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22:23<abrotman>you mean videodev is 'using' v4l2_common
22:23<dpkg>methinks v4l is video for linux.
22:23<abrotman>dpkg: you should have more!
22:23<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
22:23<enouf>faca: ps aux should show tghat - though with sarge i don;t recall - buit with etch you should have udev, init, and any DHCP running
22:23<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, like this: v4l1_compat 12260 1 videodev
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22:24<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: yeah
22:24<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, v4l2_common has "0" and no videodev. Which should be the way
22:24<faca>enouf, 1 sec
22:24<enouf>faca: kernel version and reiserfs version are?
22:24<JordiGH>madwifi or ath5k? Which one works better for you?
22:24<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: i wonder if your howtos are out of date
22:25<abrotman>JordiGH: it will depend on the device
22:25<JordiGH>abrotman: I suppose a list of devices and driver to try would be too much to ask, eh?
22:25<faca>I know that does a forcefsck. Because the script that this is reviewed in init.d / and the problem is that not running for ANYTHING init.d /.
22:25<faca>enouf,, reiserfs 3.6
22:25<JordiGH>forcefsck o.O
22:25<abrotman>JordiGH: i think google is calling your name .. the madwifi site should have pointers for both lists
22:26<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, how come?
22:26<JordiGH>abrotman: I'm pretty sure I already looked.. but I'll look again.
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22:26<abrotman>JordiGH: i've seen them there
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22:27<faca>enouf, the directory /var is, /tmp also, /etc /init.d as well, /etc/init.d/rc2.d also ... I see everything normal
22:28<enouf>faca: uname -r and debugreiserfs -J /dev/hdc3 as root
22:28<enouf>faca: so, most everything is on /
22:28<enouf>faca: i forget, is /boot on / ?
22:28<faca>enouf, ok, but, /dev/md0
22:28<faca>enouf, yes, /boot is in /
22:29<enouf>faca: well no, /dev/sda1 and sdb1
22:29<enouf>faca: depends
22:30<enouf>faca: was the FS generated across the array? (/dev/md0) ... or was the array assembled after the FS was created/
22:31*enouf is not even sure the latter is possible
22:31<faca>enouf, uname -r say and debugreiserfs -J /dev/sda1 and sdb1 says that everything is fine
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22:33<faca>I'm going crazy!
22:33<faca>4 hours
22:33<enouf>faca: grep super
22:34<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: i don't see much in the way of help online for this
22:34<enouf>faca: and show me version
22:34<faca>grep super ?
22:34<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, found out and worked it out. Thanks for your time
22:34<enouf> debugreiserfs -J /dev/sda1 | grep super
22:34<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: see .. that was easy :)
22:34<faca>ok ok
22:34<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, another app was silently blcking the dev (camserv)
22:34<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: that'll do it
22:35<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, I totally forgot about it. Didn't know it was there
22:35<faca>enouf, 3.6
22:35<enouf>faca: Sarge uses a 2.4.27 OR a 2.6.8 ... so it seems you ghave an etch rc1 kernel
22:35<enouf>faca: 3.6 is goodd
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22:36<faca>I see most rare of all is that you do not run anything from init.d
22:36<faca>enouf, i compile 2.6.17 but i use this kernel for a 1 year any problems.
22:36<enouf>faca: you ... i ?
22:38<faca>enouf, /dev/console not found !!!!
22:38<kop>Humm... I didn't know about less -R for use with script.
22:38<faca>enouf, ls -l /dev/console and not found
22:39<enouf>faca: that's why i originally mentioned .. perhaps an initrd, or pivot_root issue -- have you checked the BTS/?
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22:39<faca>enouf, I have no idea which is the BTS
22:40<enouf>faca: /tmp/initrd-26.1/init:exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" <${rootmnt}/dev/console >${rootmnt}/dev/console
22:40<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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22:41<enouf>faca: that line i posted is from my initrd-img-version /init script
22:42<faca>enouf, sorry, I do not understand, I have to do? you must create a /dev/console ?
22:42<enouf>faca: ~$ ls -l /dev/console
22:42<enouf>crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 2009-01-21 15:00 /dev/console
22:42<enouf>faca: is udev installed?
22:42<faca>enouf, :(, not found in my filesystem
22:42<faca>enouf, not sure
22:43<enouf>faca: you have an etch (pre-release) kernel and a Sarge system?
22:43<faca>no no
22:43<faca>my kernel is!!!
22:43<enouf>faca: dpkg -l hotplug udev <--- pastebin!
22:44<enouf>faca: that's an Etch PRE-RELEASE version!@
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22:45<duraperidol>pastebinit is a nice program as a sidenote.. :-) it automatically uploads whatever ye throw at it to pastebin, and spits ye back a url.. "pastebinit file.txt" (it gives you a url) .. ye might like that faca
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22:45<faca>enouf, udev 0.105-4
22:46<faca>hotplug 0.0.20040329
22:46<kc8sbv>How can enable my ALT-FKEY term console? I used to modprobe vga16b and fbcon, but they don't exist.
22:46<faca>enouf, sorry, but not user pastebin but this server not conection!!
22:47<faca>enouf, I believe the /dev/console file?
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22:50<enouf>faca: apt-get remove hotplug
22:50<faca>all is ok!!!
22:50*enouf is great?
22:50<faca>enouf, y create /dev/FUCKINGconsole :)
22:50<enouf>faca: udev and hotplug , conflict
22:50<faca>enouf, mount /proc, MAKEDEV console, reboot and all is ok!!!!
22:51<enouf>it's an old old issue
22:51<enouf>faca: apt-get remove hotplug
22:51<enouf>faca: apt-get remove --purge hotplug even
22:51<faca>enouf, Well, now that I have RED how to fix this conflict?
22:51<faca>enouf, ok
22:52<faca>enouf, but, before execute aptitude update no ?
22:52<enouf>the change occured ~2.6.12 or so in debian
22:52<enouf>faca: gah .. just remove hotplug!
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22:54<faca>enouf, i execute "apt-get remove hotplug" but say> hotplug not installed...
22:54<enouf>heh .. wonderful -- try aptitude
22:54<enouf>faca: my bad - i forgot the | grep ^.i part
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22:55<enouf>faca: dpkg -l hotplug udev | grep ^.i <--- pastebin <-- was my intention
22:56<enouf>faca: well, whatever, /sbin/MAKEDEV should be called via udev scripts , you have a screwy setup
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22:57<enouf>faca: devfs went away, but i believe amphi might have a 'udev' related quote to share ;-)
22:57<enouf>something like;
22:57<enouf> <amphi> enouf: 'udev is very zen-like; it's utterly incomprehensible until one day the ghost of Alan Turing whacks you on the back of the head with an old 8K core board and you shout, "God, why didn't I see that before!"'
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22:59<faca>enouf, rc hotplug and ii udev
23:00<kop>enouf: As in: If a device interrupts but there's no handler to trap it does it exist?
23:00<enouf>faca: that is lovely
23:00<enouf>kop: good question ...
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23:01<faca>enouf, thanks very much man!!!!!, my english is very bad, sorry.
23:01<enouf>faca: stop half-way upgrading your system ;-)
23:01<enouf>no it;s not - i understood you fine
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23:02<lskjflskjf>say wine is used to install to a drive with an NT installation. would the program be runnable from the NT system by launching the executable?
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23:02<lskjflskjf>pending reboot, of course...
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23:03<lskjflskjf>and assuming wine made it through the installation without failing
23:03<abrotman>lskjflskjf: NT would access the wine installation area how?
23:03<enouf>faca: /proc , /sys , and now even /dev are VFS ,... they disappear across reboots ...
23:04<lskjflskjf>abrotman: the install path is the windows drive/partition, mounted on the linux system for the install
23:04<enouf>faca: thoough /dev is more of a /tmp + /dev/.static/dev thing
23:04<abrotman>lskjflskjf: registry entries wouldn't be there
23:04<enouf>err tmpfs . sorry
23:04<lskjflskjf>are those necessary?
23:05<abrotman>depending on the app, yes
23:05<kop>Is there a replacement for dvdbackup? It does not seem to be maintained, but I like working from the command line.
23:05<lskjflskjf>what about copying all the relevant entries from the wine registry to the nt installions registry?
23:05<lskjflskjf> hand :(
23:05<enouf>kop: well .. i was messing with DeVeDe for a bit, but it's GUI
23:05<faca>enouf, aptitude upgrade and 44mb downloading.... hahahaha
23:06<abrotman>lskjflskjf: your question migth be better answered by #winehq on freenode .. i suppose it's possible, but seems like quite a bit of work
23:06<lskjflskjf>yeah. cant connect. thanks anyway
23:06<lskjflskjf>i'll ask there later
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23:06<faca>enouf, I need to take a wine!!!
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23:07<kop>enouf : I'll get around to giving it a try. Thakns.
23:07<JordiGH>Is there a a reason why Debian's dhclient doesn't send the hostname by default?
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23:07<JordiGH>I think that's a useful thing to have enabled...
23:07<kop>JordiGH : Why?
23:07<twb>Suppose I'm creating an LVM setup by hand on a system that's running, and there was no LVM setup there before.
23:08<JordiGH>kop: So that I can refer to computers in my lan by names instead of ip addresses. :-/
23:08<twb>After using pvcreate, vgcreate and vgscan, I still have no /dev/foo, where "foo" is the volume group name.
23:08<kop>JordiGH : So you can dynamically update dns?
23:08<twb>Without rebooting, how can I get /dev/foo/ to exist?
23:09<JordiGH>kop: This is my home lan with 3 laptops connected... anyways, why isn't it enabled in Debian? It's no big deal to enable it, so there must be a good reason why it's *not* enabled.
23:09<gsimmons>twb: vgchange -ay foo
23:10<kop>enouf : I'll keep that.
23:10<enouf>kop: is an older bookmark
23:10<enouf>faca: i'm drinkin' Scotch ;-) cheers!
23:12<twb>gsimmons: thanks
23:12<kop>JordiGH : Might be history. It's only recently that there was support for dynamically updating dns. Maybe debian's dhcpd server is not configured by default to update bind? Maybe because not every dns server supports dynamic updates?
23:13<kop>Seems like apt triggers (is that right?) would be the thing that would allow dhcpd and bind to auto-configure for dynamic updates.
23:14<kop>JordiGH : Your dns is dynamically updated?
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23:15<kop>JordiGH : If you want an official answer, submit an enhancment request.
23:15<twb>gsimmons: confirmed
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23:16<JordiGH>kop: Okay, thanks for the answer.
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23:19<enouf>JordiGH: what are you asking for - rpc names? portmap? avahi-daemon/netatalk/atalk/bonjour/zeroconf crap
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23:20<faca_>ok friend, if I leave now!, thank you very much for everything, very gentle.
23:20<enouf>faca_: ciao
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23:21<JordiGH>enouf: Whatever works when I can do "ssh jordi@iris" on my lan and my router knows what I mean.
23:21<kop>enouf: That the dhcp hostname option be filled in by the client. (IIRC)
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23:21<kop>enouf : He knows how to turn it on, he just wonders why it's not on by default.
23:21<enouf>JordiGH: did you associate a Name with an IP within your router webadmin config?
23:22<JordiGH>enouf: I told dhclient to send hostname in dhclient.conf and it all worked. It was MAGIC.
23:22<enouf>that's not what i asked
23:22<kop>enouf : The trouble with that is that it means A) configuring the router, and B) having IPs mapped to MAC addresses.
23:22<JordiGH>enouf: No, I didn't associate anything.
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23:23<enouf>that's how i do it
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23:23<kop>enouf : The spiffy way is to have the dhcp server talk to the dns server and dynamically update the dns zone with the client's hostname.
23:23<enouf>anyway - nm me .. ignore
23:24<kop>(Spiffy, if you trust your clients anyway.)
23:25<kop>JordiGH : Which is another issue. Dynamic updates presumes that the client is trusted.
23:25<kop>JordiGH : But I can't see where it'd hurt to turn it on, the server could just ignore the client.
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23:28<enouf>kop: i keep any/all windows computers from any/all internet access ... through my router's web interface
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23:29<DaemonLee>Haha. I just got warned for running as root.
23:31<kop>enouf: I want a separate network for the beasts, but have not yet gotten around to it because they're pretty rare around here.
23:31<enouf>kop: i was just mentioning how best/easily to configure access per PC
23:32<enouf>for me
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23:32<kop>enouf : I prefer the mac address method too.
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23:33*JordiGH spoofs mac addresses once in a while.
23:33<enouf>i can have an XPoop pentium playing a DVD across my LAN without it EVER being able to access the inet
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23:34<kop>JordiGH : Yeah, but you may as well just assign yourself a static IP. Nobody bothers to lock switch ports to mac addresses.
23:34<JordiGH>kop: Eh. I'm fine with things as they are right now on my lan.
23:35<kop>JordiGH : I ment rather than spoof mac addresses.
23:35<JordiGH>Uhm, I only spoof mac addresses for dubious purposes. :P
23:36<JordiGH>i.e. on a network where the net admin doesn't know I'm in fact welcome. ;-)
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23:54<twb>I am making a machine that keeps backups of another machine. Is /var/backups/{foo,bar,baz} an appropriate place to mount the backup disks, or should I mount them at e.g. /srv/backup/{foo,bar,baz} ?
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23:56<alephnull>I would do it in /srv/ or some other dedicated mount point. Logs are written to /var and it would be better not to have both of them competing for disk resources.
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23:58<kop>twb : /srv
23:59<twb>alephnull: /var is a separate filesystem to the filesystem's I'm talking about mounting withing /var/backups.
23:59<twb>But generally I take your point.
23:59<twb>...and agree.
23:59<twb>The last system like this I made was using rsnapshot, so /var/cache/rsnapshot was a separate filesystem.
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